h2-builds-and-combat

[astral edge]

I believe so, don't know for sure though

[finite phoenix]

Is there still a way to tell if a companion is rested? Before the patch I could see the number of harvest, but not anymore.

[astral edge]

does companion resting actually do/mean anything post-patch?

[civic ocean]

U gotta play heph every time and I like to spread em out

I only play heph on blades atm actually

[astral edge]

i thought it just increased the number of times you could use their resource ability, which is infinite now

[finite phoenix]

according to the game text, the +25% resources only activates if they're rested

[plain fossil]

I feel like i get hit too much to not always click heph 😦

[finite phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/945099301728686091/1244432969230454875/image.png?ex=66551804&is=6653c684&hm=9e9f04cd0b96b222f206cd08201936757a4a64f827c766d084e3f9c38a22a4ff&

[plain fossil]

Certainly i feel like either heph or demeter is mandatory unless memeing atm

[steel sequoia]

i like heph overall

[civic ocean]

Newest patch reworked how resources work so this might not still be a thing

I kinda wanna do something with hearty appetite

[warped harness]

what's that

[civic ocean]

Aph dem duo where ur attack scales with ur HP

[plain fossil]

Aph dem poseidon i guess

[civic ocean]

Maybe do that with huntress aph attack on staff and turn on panic

[plain fossil]

That or blades

[warped harness]

oh wow i never even knew it did that

[rain hazel]

What are yall doing abour moros torch attacks just getting in each others way? I feel like im constantly just not hitting enemies cuz theyre blocking each other

[tall notch]

I don't know if there's much that can be done, the attacks misbehaving is why I dropped Moros even though the idea of setting up nukes sounds cool as hell

[rain hazel]

Thats starting to be my thought as well, why i wanted to ask before dropping it though

[brittle imp]

UPDATE: FINALLY MADE THE FLAMES WORK FOR ME
still not my favorite but i got a lucky break with my rng this run

eos’#1 fan you may be onto something (possibly) because this was the first aspect of the flames i didnt hate

[rain hazel]

Is Eos any better cuz even upgrading the bas torch doesnt seem worth it...

[steel sequoia]

eos is the best torch aspect for damage, tho i prefer mel for fun

[astral edge]

eos is very good... as long as you have born gain

[rain hazel]

Is it worth upgrading?

[steel sequoia]

yup, u need a reliable mana regen to play but its good

[tall notch]

Eos is THE attack aspect and gains a lot from upgrades

[steel sequoia]

if ur still picking you have better stuff to upgrade maybe

[rain hazel]

Oh I meant mel torch

I still gotta beat strife twice before I can get eos 🙃

[steel sequoia]

upgrade what you likes to play

u will play a lot to farm for the other ones upgrades

take ur time tbh

[tall notch]

One of us

[rain hazel]

Mainly just skull and dagger that I havent made a decision on main aspect

Well I say that, seems like skull im focusing Persephone and daggers are Artemis

[steel sequoia]

good luck with that

[mystic bison]

Double moonshot 1st room, GG

[obtuse kernel]

Does the aspect of Artemis seem a bit wonky to you guys? I charge the omega quickly after I see “parry ready” and it doesn’t parry and I eat damage that otherwise should’ve been parried

Just happened at the worst possible time and the last surface boss killed me bc of it

[cursive oyster]

dyou mean artemis

[obtuse kernel]

Probably the worst punish dying by her

[obtuse kernel]

Artemis yeah. My bad still salty lol

[steel sequoia]

everyones dream

[wild pine]

The Mel aspects upgrade with a different and easier to get resource than the other aspects, so there's really no reason not to level them

Also I like the Mel aspects much more than I liked the Zag aspects, in general.

In fact I feel that Mel skull is best skull

[stoic ridge]

same, i enjoy shotgunning things

[steel sequoia]

im a momus charon player myself

[wild pine]

So say we all

[civic ocean]

I think we're probably at 13 of 15 aspects being pretty good at the moment

[wild pine]

But I enjoy Mel staff and axe more than circe or than

[zenith bolt]

circe is a very low bar

im truly unsure of what mel axe even does

[stoic ridge]

circe is good for omega cast zeus + blitz

[civic ocean]

Circe and Moros are the two where I'm not super sold on atm

[zenith bolt]

"recovery speed" is just vague enough to where it seems useless

[stoic ridge]

i love moros, my favorite flame aspect

[wild pine]

In fact dagger might be the only weapon for which Mel aspect is my least favorite

[cursive oyster]

endlag

[zenith bolt]

kinda wish it was just attack speed

like it wouldnt make axe broken to have the basic attacks a little faster on one aspect

[stoic ridge]

wish there was a way to remove the final slam from basic attacks on the axe

[civic ocean]

Basic attacks on Staff and Axe feel pretty underutilized atm for sure

[zenith bolt]

mel axe is the most nothingburger aspect imo

[stoic ridge]

try a staff build with blitz, its my favorite way to do a blitz build

[wise nest]

I accidentally forced myself into replacing my apollo cast with zeus cast on charon lmao

[civic ocean]

I know Mynt has pushed Mel axe pretty far and the tech for the combos is super cool

[wise nest]

Still wound up winning pretty comfily

[wild pine]

This is fine actually

[wise nest]

the dps difference is a bit non negligible lmao

But yeah it turned out fine in the end

Almost did chronos hitless actually

[civic ocean]

Mechanically it is not really fine, Storm Ring and Charon bomb have antisynergy (you need to manually use Omega Cast to get da bolts)

[wild pine]

But Charon gives you more uptime on the Zeus bolts if you refrain from detonating

[civic ocean]

Yeah it's for sure workable just a different way of approaching the aspect

So I'd imagine being forced to do it by accident is tough

[wise nest]

I kinda like the weight behind the endlag of an axe swing before you shield, it feels like actually parrying when you manage to get a block in just in time

[stoic ridge]

i dont like that the axe special cannot animation cancel the attack

[wise nest]

yeah but you can buffer special to block the first frame you can act again

Like if you hold special anywhere after you hit the attack button, you'll shield at the earliest possible moment after the swing

[sour cape]

Yea more time is nice vs Chronos since he often gotta stand in it the entjre time

[timber pawn]

I have another decision to make, I'm on run 5 again, this time it's a dagger run I need. Im thinking artemis

Artemis works well with hera/heph, could go aphro third, also built in defensive with parry is pretty nice

[wild pine]

The hera/heph spiteful duo? Or Sworn Strike/Volcanic Flourish?

spiteful frankly strikes me as a meme

[timber pawn]

It's not. Hera has great mp regen and speed clearing zone 1-2 and Heph supports are super strong and potentially nullify vow of suffering

I've cleared 32 fear with almost all the weapons with spiteful I think. Would have to check

[wild pine]

Hmm. I can see how at 32 it might actually look better. I've cleared 16 with most aspects and working on 20 r/n. In 32 you potentially get a lot fewer boons to work with / less time for builds to come online, and I can see how with favorable sequencing a very early spiteful is unparalled value on as few as 3 total boons.

If you aren't forcing it early by blowing all your trinkets and re-rolls or save-scumming though, keeping your slots open for it is annoying. And I find that in the luxurious 16-heat endgame builds I can assemble, spiteful tends to fall off because I can get so much +% weapon damage from other sources that I care more about curses, procs, and flat power.

[sour cape]

I do like Artemis! But feels a bit Hammer reliant for the 400% dmg 👀

[steel sequoia]

im liking the boon that shots an arrow in the cast cause it feels so good in charon

[round shell]

https://youtu.be/CjCPmREDbxA?si=eliPgaCBP1_H_Klv&t=24

third floor below boss spoiler warning

https://youtu.be/uVOcgo0cNF0?si=YtVVxcBNYly1RPvw

this build is completely broken

[sour cape]

Whats the build order for Air Fryer?

[proven orbit]

The funniest part is, it can be yet better still, with the aspect of pan

[sour cape]

Needing to take Zeus Attack is oof 😭

Zeus attack and Hestia special, some very bad boons

[native cloud]

can anyone explain what the mel axe actually does? how do u take advantage of its effect?

[sour cape]

Its kind of a nothing

maybe for big chop build to recover faster?

[native cloud]

it helps recover the final chop in general?

[sour cape]

Thats what I thought

[native cloud]

sad, i hope they revamp that aspect, give it like a 10-20% attack speed buff would have been awesome and much more inline with the charon axe for power

[sour cape]

Yea its kinda boring

[proven orbit]

Technically speaking the recovery means you can do spin faster

[glossy rivet]

What is air fryer

[sour cape]

Zeus + Hestia + Air Quality and duo boon

But the duo boon needs Zeus and Hestia on attack and Special

[glossy rivet]

Whats their duo do

[sour cape]

Makes lightning cause scorch

[glossy rivet]

Do u use it on daggers?

[sour cape]

No for cast

[glossy rivet]

Seems painful otherwise

[sour cape]

Or yea daggers could be good

or torch 🤔🤔

[wise nest]

I'm gonna go on a training arc and get hitless fo2 thanatos chronos

[crimson wraith]

Is there a recommended 16 fear setup?

[cursive oyster]

I used enemies can be from next area, enemies become revenants, prime mana, start rooms with 0 mana, fury 1, and i think enemies have 2 blue shields with momus but idk about a more general setup

oh yeah also the banishing unpicked god boons one

[winter wind]

Thank you for this, finally cleared 24 Fear on torches and last testament #h2-victory-boasting message

[timber pawn]

Congrats!!

@civic ocean I got glitched to death on late p2 of my artemis run. That would've been 5 back to back. Im gonna stop chasing that for now lol

[mystic bison]

Oh man surface on 40% speed is just too cancer, I won't be playing with it there anymore I don't think

The enemies are the absolutely worst in the game, Polyphemus is noticeably much harder on 40% speed and Eris is so small and there is so much visual clutter you can't tell what move she is about to do half the time, not fun

[winter wind]

I've found it's easier to get more damage vows than to play at 40% speed

[mystic bison]

I play 40% in underworld no problem, but the surface is a whole different game

[winter wind]

surface enemies are too hard at that speed, I'd reccomend any other vow even the onion

[wild pine]

I always take 20% enemy speed, enemies from future zones, at least a little healing reduction, forsake unselected boons, then generally round out with increase shop prices or start with mana bar empty depending on weapon and build. Occasionally I turn forsake boons off for certain kinds of runs but usually i find that it helps as much as it hurts, making it basically free fear.

EDIT; forgot to mention prime mana for rare boons, that's one of my always-ons

[crimson wraith]

Do you use full mana priming or just the first?

[mystic bison]

Luckily my testaments and 32 fear are already finished, I play on 40% for fun but the surface is complete cancer, not a fun experience at all

[plain fossil]

Eris is ok at 40% speed, i agree cyclops sucks nuts

Eris i find pretty much the same unless i play like a potato and get caught in the open

[mystic bison]

The speed isn't the problem with Eris it's that you can't see wtf she is going to do half the time

[wild pine]

Generally full. I run Titan and Centaur, so it's usually not an issue for me. Most of my arcana loadouts skip both +rarity perks, coincidentally, which makes it even easier to support, although sometimes I do have the +epic chance on.

[plain fossil]

Its ok if u cant see as long as u stay either behind her or offscreen

[mystic bison]

Like if you're on Momus the wave effects completely cover up her sprite and you can't see anything

[plain fossil]

Its when she is half screen in front of u that u randomly take 50 if ur playing on 40% speed

[mystic bison]

And Polyphemus is garbage on 40 speed you can barely put a hit in, and the adds are nuts

Mfer spawns 50 adds

[plain fossil]

I agree polyphemus sucks esp if ur melee

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1241592400715976885/Hades_II_2024-05-18_20-13-53.mp4?ex=6654a5c8&is=66535448&hm=21b54048854ca3fbb69313bf297c431d1ec58cea264290d23a217f31bf9329cb& bonk faster

[plain fossil]

40 speed polyphemus is insanely melee unfriendly u have almost no dps windows and the jumping boulder absolutely screws scorch and demeter cast

[wild pine]

Oh, I forgot to mention the other unusual thing I do which affects this, which is running Artificer. I'm probably going to have to give that up if I want to keep climbing past 20 heat, but I really enjoy it. Artificer almost always gives you at least one free +magic perk early on.

[mystic bison]

0 and 40 speed is night and day with surface, I beat it first try on 0 speed

The underworld meanwhile wasn't a spike for me at all on 40 speed, I got used to it immediately

[plain fossil]

Its just different imo theres some trolly things like speed sucks, timer is way harder, etc but also some easier things like u get ur build online faster and onion is legitimately a good click

[gentle hawk]

I don’t understand Glory at all on ||Persephone|| aspect skull. It says it makes my omega special last longer, but I can’t figure that out at all fighting skelly

[mystic bison]

You think they'll nerf it once they add more biomes?

[tired fulcrum]

it takes a lot of damage to stack up. like spend a minute or two wacking him then do the omega and it should be noticeable

[plain fossil]

I think it will change significantly but idk about straight up nerfs

[wild pine]

I don't get it either. There is an indicator light next to the health bar (where the parry charge for artemis is displayed) which is supposed to show you building up a charge as you hit stuff, but I never see it moving more than a tiny bit. I do entire runs with Persephone and only hit glory like once or twice total and never even notice that I have it until I fire off a special and am surprised to see it keep going. I think the rate of charge is just so undertuned that most enemies don't have enough HP to activate it at all.

Someone should look at the code and see if they dropped a decimal place by accident

[plain fossil]

I think polyphemus is harder on high fear than every surface boss and on par with chronos so i expect that to change?

[mystic bison]

On high fear I find both Polyphemus and Eris harder than any underworld boss

[plain fossil]

Eris will probably change as well as its harder than scylla but for me at least its cyclops trolling melee and also randomly u roll green sheep and u take +50

[crimson wraith]

Would you recommend aiming for Demeter or Poseidon special on Pan?

[mystic bison]

Idk if it's because they're harder or because I barely run the surface

[wild pine]

Poseidon is way way faster to clear, and once you get rolling you don't need the freeze for safety.

[fervent coyote]

Eris I get because if you go double forced overtime it becomes ridiculous but I don’t see it with poly

not forced overtime but you know what I meant

[wild pine]

Demeter is an okay option for Momus because your special have 40 base damage so +50% weapon damage is the same as a 20 point splash, meaning you lose the AoE but retain single-target dps. But weapon mults are very bad on thrown dagger.

[mystic bison]

Also idk if I agree about getting online faster, city rng can be garbage at times

[gentle hawk]

I think I see the meter, but I don’t notice any difference when it’s charged or not. Everything you’re saying tracks with what I was expecting. I guess I’ll just never use this aspect. Thanks!

[wild pine]

You still get an always-on +30% damage to all omega moves when the aspect is max ranked, so it's not bad if you want to rock lightning ring or solar flare with frost, lightning, or nova flourish

[fervent coyote]

also how does vow of arrogance work because sometimes the priming just randomly resets or decreases and other times it’s permanent

[wild pine]

It's supposed to be permanent but sometimes changing the rarity or level of a boon seems to make it forget

[fervent coyote]

also chronos isn’t affected by the speed buff from vow of fury right

[civic ocean]

Of course he is

[strange kite]

luuuul

[steel sequoia]

40% chronos bruh

[wild pine]

Note that Medea's attack & special bonus does not apply to omega moves, so Persephone gives you the strongest available omega spesh even without glory. But Mel aspect usually performs better on omega attack, though this is heavily contingent on builds and play patterns.

[fervent coyote]

dude he was the exact same speed for me when I was playing through it

[strange kite]

uh kronos is definitely not the exact same speed

[steel sequoia]

u might be cooked, chronos has clearly speed patterns for his casts

[civic ocean]

Hmmmm

[wild pine]

Paradoxically, 20% faster kronos feels actually slower to me than normal kronos, even though I can tell I'm wrong. I just respect him so much more and watch his tells and my spacing better.

So I see his attacks coming a mile away now, when before I was scrambling at the last second.

[steel sequoia]

i have that feel too, but its clear the speed changes

[mystic bison]

Poly is extremely fast on fo2, barely any time to put hits in and he spawns an insane amount of adds

Perhaps its not fair to say that Poly (or Eris) are harder than Kronos, but look at it this way: Kronos is the final boss, it is understandable that it may be a struggle, you may lose a DD or 2 etc. But that's fine, he is the final boss. But Polyphemus is not the final boss, he is the first boss, and he is a very sharp difficulty spike compared to Hecate or the Furies. It is a struggle (esp on fo2) and losing a DD is a very real possibility - this can cripple your run later.

So sure, Poly isn't technically harder than Kronos if viewed in a vacuum, but respective to the place Poly is situated in (1st boss) - he is very hard

Or I may just need to git gud who knows

[steel sequoia]

the most annoying for me at 40% is mr cyclops

[wild pine]

Actually I think because he goes faster it's easier for me to be patient and wait for my next safe attack window, since those also come faster

[charred lintel]

the thing about poly is it's extremely easy to beat him with some builds, and absolute hell for others

[fervent coyote]

I might have to try again if everyone is saying he IS actually faster because I genuinely did not feel or see a difference

[civic ocean]

Polyphemus is definitely a relatively harder boss than Cerberus is

[fervent coyote]

I would’ve seen it with the dumbass boomerang at least but nah

[steel sequoia]

i dont like the jumping pattern when poly is at 40%

when i saw i lost like 20 health or more depending on his moves

[fervent coyote]

I gotta say more than half of the difficult of poly comes from him being a hitbox whenever he jumps around which is generally a first for Hades

[mystic bison]

You can cripple Polyphemus jump distance with the cast, but good luck closing the gap and putting that cast on him consistently on 40% speed without eating a hit

[fervent coyote]

most of his actual attacks other than Big Ass Boulder are more than fine even at fo2

[steel sequoia]

yeah but than he spawns mobs and keep jumping and throwing stuffs and sheeps, you gotta be totally aware and do damage in time

for me the most annoying mobs are the tomato thrower and the barrel thrower with a lot of armor

[mystic bison]

Yeah I can def see them lowering the amount of adds Poly spawns

[steel sequoia]

i like the wave spam, but if you burst him enough he spawn mobs together and jump and throw stuff so its quite chaotic. my problem is the jumping pattern on 40% is hard to see/predict

[zenith bolt]

i think they both have the issue of being somewhat rng reliant

though, that being said, theres only one of the two i made a gif for

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948291306847871086/1242231468189552731/attachment.gif?ex=6654feb5&is=6653ad35&hm=cbc598745659bc0b471ea3148b8eec427e90d2d11e287095c2d2e8dd9f489f76&

[mystic bison]

I just wish there was a boss training mode so I can go at it and master Poly and Eris on 40 speed that way instead of having to rerun the surface

[hidden sorrel]

Sorry to interrupt, but may I ask for advice for NOT dying immediately in the second phase of the Chronos fight? I've cleared his first phase twice, both times died before having a chance to do literally anything in phase 2

[alpine quest]

Poly feels really punishing to melee builds; I ran the skull against him and it was so painful

[zenith bolt]

if you're taking 999 damage, stand in the circles

[steel sequoia]

farm 3 death defiances in arcana, and step on the circles till it blows the screen

[mystic bison]

There is a bright spot in the arena which is safe from the instakill move

[fervent coyote]

so where are you dying

[alpine quest]

Yep! and similarly when he does his bigger circles. The instakills are really punishing the first couple of times but become free damage chances after that!

[hidden sorrel]

I'll watch for it, I always end up dead so fast I've never noticed it

[fervent coyote]

if you’re taking 999 damage, when the arena starts to go dark-ish stand where it isn’t dark

[hidden sorrel]

I'm going to ask a dumb question, can I move around while the second phase is "loading"?

[steel sequoia]

there is a glowing circle you can stand in the area, most times are far from you

[fervent coyote]

No

[hidden sorrel]

like while the background is changing
ah, okay

[fervent coyote]

You’ll always spawn just below the centre of that area iirc and he’ll always stand at the top

[hidden sorrel]

that sounds about right

[zenith bolt]

i would send some example fights of chronos that i have but most are at +20% or +40% speed so

[hidden sorrel]

I'm gonna have to get some extra death defiances I think

[fervent coyote]

Phase 2 is a little easier than Phase 1 generally because he only spawns adds once and he uses less direct attacks and more time orbs

[mystic bison]

Just be on the lookout for a bright circle in the arena and sprint there immediately, there is enough time

You already know he opens the fight with that move, but always be ready for it even after that because he will repeat it later

[hidden sorrel]

I'll try that next time I get to the bottom, thanks!

[fervent coyote]

Though it’s weird going from Dad to Granddad because in the dad fight they’d give you a big white circle to tell where he was attacking

[steel sequoia]

game is not finished yet tho, we prolly gonna see improvements

[hidden sorrel]

It was only after I insta-died the second time that I went "okay, I need to check the strategy for this" because the first time it went into Hades' cutscene so half of me thought it could have been scripted

[zenith bolt]

there is some level of the game using circles as safe zones prior to this though, with roxy and cerberus

[fervent coyote]

I do think this is actually really good foreshadowing for the insta kill attack from Chronos

[mystic bison]

First time I made it to phase 2 I immediately lost the run to the instakill, but in that moment I did realize what the deal was

[zenith bolt]

one of the more notable aspects of phase 2 is that it tends to be more chaotic because there's more things happening

but chronos often is actually giving you more time to wail on him with certain attacks of his, or giving you moments to breathe

[fervent coyote]

really? phase 2 feels more telegraphed

[mystic bison]

Enraged phase 2 is the hardest part of the fight

[steel sequoia]

phase 2 is easier, the problem is getting used to the gold spam in the screen and staying aware of the stuff

[zenith bolt]

there's more things happening but it's not actually more difficult

it's just very easy to get caught up in the chaos especially below 50%

[mystic bison]

Phase 1 it's just you and Kronos there are no distractions

[fervent coyote]

he also just doesn’t use the dash slash dash combo attacks quite as much so he isn’t constantly rushing you down

[zenith bolt]

phase 2 also has less health than phase 1 (20k vs 16k)

[mystic bison]

Phase 2 sub 50 hp there are 10 different things going around

[timber pawn]

Would you prefer not to watch a clear of the fight on YouTube? That might help make it clear what you're looking for at least. He always does that insta kill first thing in p2. So you could watch that part and then stop the video

[steel sequoia]

the patterns are easier for phase2 in my opinion, its just problematic to see because everything is bright golden

[hidden sorrel]

I might not want to watch the very end of the fight if plot stuff happens on the first kill, but I don't mind seeing more of it than I've gotten to see in gameplay!

[timber pawn]

Ya maybe just consider watching the beginning of p2 so you know what you're looking for

[fervent coyote]

also is there any reasonable telegraph for the Big Ass Boomerang attack like for his dash or do I just hope he doesn’t press it

[mystic bison]

The patterns are the same as phase 1 except for a couple new moves, but you have environmental hazards added and it's extremely chaotic

[zenith bolt]

he grunts and holds his scythe out to his left generally speaking. it's hard to react to on higher speeds though, so it's better to pre-emptively avoid it by staying close and/or circling him clockwise (because the scythe comes from his left, moving clockwise and putting yourself on his right gives you the most time to react and avoid it)

otherwise you can also opt to take hermes' boon that reduces projectile speed

[hidden sorrel]

(I'm gonna start a fresh run - thanks for the help! 🙂 )

[mystic bison]

There are also guides on YouTube specifically for how to beat the fight so no spoilers in that regard - just the moves and how to counter them, Haelian I think released a video on it

[steel sequoia]

the only thing i find hard is dodging the 3x scythes pattern, rest is cake when u get used

[fervent coyote]

this does not impact the scythe

[zenith bolt]

it does

[fervent coyote]

ok my game might actually be cooked then

[steel sequoia]

freezing also helps a bit

[mystic bison]

Well he has the 3x combo in phase 1 except you don't need worry about 5 other things hitting you

[fervent coyote]

first the fo2 not working and now this

[mystic bison]

I just don't see how phase 2 is easier

[fervent coyote]

now you’re doing a bit

[timber pawn]

They might mean cyclone, which does slow projectiles, including the boomerang

[zenith bolt]

afaik chronos only has 4 "combos", those being 2x swipe -> 1x charge, 1x charge -> 2x swipe, 3x charge, and simply 2x swipe

[fervent coyote]

but seriously I got the lower projectile speed boon and I swear to the heavens above it moved at the exact same speed as usual

[fervent coyote]

he has charge -> swipe -> charge

[timber pawn]

It definitely works on it

[steel sequoia]

think it has more patterns, ||throw lot of balls, time stops, clock ticking||

[fervent coyote]

i think they mean combos specifically with the charge and slash attacks

[zenith bolt]

for orb rings (phase 1) and triple orb rings (phase 2) he always follows up with a charge

[mystic bison]

The combo patterns are probably randomized based on how close he is to you etc

[zenith bolt]

time slow is only ever followed up with attacks from chronos "normal" attacks i think?

[strange kite]

i believe this is correct

[mystic bison]

Personally I always assume he is going for a x3 combo

[steel sequoia]

its better to stay alert since the dmg is huge if everything hits

[zenith bolt]

gold dust explosions (phase 2) is never followed up with a charge i think

[steel sequoia]

i think the rng is based on % of its life so it "unlock" some moves

[zenith bolt]

he doesn't do the combos until he's below 50% hp

[steel sequoia]

might be, never tracked tbh

[mystic bison]

That's why phase 2 sub 50 is the hardest part of the fight

[zenith bolt]

while likely a bug and not intended, vacuum succ + any phase change is a brutal combo

[steel sequoia]

i feel i got throw up a lot of stuff at the same time and i usually lost track of everything that is happening bc of the color

[strange kite]

whats the gold dust explosion? the time bubbles?

[steel sequoia]

at least there is no revenants

[strange kite]

yeah this

[timber pawn]

This is part of what ended my 5 streak. I teleported in with Artemis and phased him to hourglass spawns.

And then I took like 4 separate instances of damage while he was invuln and it popped a dd

[zenith bolt]

yeah for now i guess just wait for granddad to chill

[mystic bison]

Wait the succ does damage while invuln?

[strange kite]

the succ is bugged

[steel sequoia]

yall never bugged the instakill yet? ive played once 70% of phase2 with the screen glowing lmao

[zenith bolt]

yeah, it sucks and is probably not an intentional thing--chronos has issues cancelling his current attack to change phases

[mystic bison]

Yeah I just always kept my distance thinking it's a visual bug cause I burst him too fast or something

[zenith bolt]

happened prior to 1st patch but i havent seen it since

[mystic bison]

It's never good to be near him while he is invuln anyway

[steel sequoia]

ive saw a streamer and done myself

[timber pawn]

I'm actually done trying to streak 32, at least intentionally, until this is fixed lol

[zenith bolt]

that's fair

[mystic bison]

Earlier on before the patch there was a visual bug where the arena doesn't lighten up again after the instakill move, I only got it once but it killed my run cause I was so confused

[civic ocean]

😦

[timber pawn]

I threw a dd on an insta kill in that run by accident, but then the run ender being the glitch was a real bummer. So close! The run absolutely could've won, had tons of time

[steel sequoia]

ive managed to win even with that

[timber pawn]

Lemme see if I can edit the clip down

[ionic moon]

room 1 hammer on mel torches... guess it's eos restart time
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1243205888010092665/1244474425546637395/image.png?ex=66553ea0&is=6653ed20&hm=9bc2c506034f9b3f2bfca7c3d8e7f2d95a5edeb380354145dcb944ca0d6a68ea&

[zenith bolt]

game was like "we playin eos today"

[mystic bison]

The hammers don't reset if you switch aspect?

[civic ocean]

Is this a different 5

[steel sequoia]

i feel like i get 2 hammers per run and about in 3 runs only 1 of them are really good

[timber pawn]

ya, starting with the eos run that should've finished the first streak. I got 4 again, and choked/died to glitch on 5

[civic ocean]

His aura too strong

[ionic moon]

room 1 is always the same if you don't reset the seed (aka new night)

[wild pine]

Clearly you need to be taking more hammers. You can bring up to 5 hammers in to the Kronos fight if everything lines up

[timber pawn]

what do you use for video editing?

[civic ocean]

I don't atm

[mystic bison]

2 regular hammers per run, Echo and Icarus keepsake - that's 4, where do you get the 5th?

[civic ocean]

I just use twitch to cut highlights im learning rn

Will probs use premiere

[steel sequoia]

u usually get around 2-3 hammers, 5 if u rerolling stuff for hammers which i dont think i want to

i mean if you havent got like double moonshot after 3 hammers you should just accept that imo

[tall notch]

I'm just using the clipchamp thing built into windows lol

[timber pawn]

I just need something to cut the clip out of the video

god windows movie maker is horrendous

it made windows explorer crash lmao

[civic ocean]

Is the clip of you getting boomed

[timber pawn]

ya

its one real mistake on my part and then various nonsense

[civic ocean]

I want to keep my streak going

But I think I more badly want to try basic attack only staff

[timber pawn]

my streak is technically 5, just two of them are daggers lol

[civic ocean]

good enough

[timber pawn]

for staff the second go round I did another storm ring, got it heroic

it, believe it or not, works best with ionic gain

[tall notch]

When you live by the RNG, streaks aren't really a thing 😭

[tall notch]

Yeah until you prime something and have no mana

[civic ocean]

I wanna do attack staff I wanna I wanna I wanna

[timber pawn]

ya that was what I was faced with so I actlly couldnt take ionic lol

[acoustic remnant]

hiiii

[civic ocean]

what if I just get a billion HP

[acoustic remnant]

is attack staff good

[civic ocean]

Oh I would say absolutely not

[acoustic remnant]

ngl i rlly liked melee in hades 1 esp sword and fists

[tall notch]

Get a billion path of stars upgrades instead

[tall notch]

Attack staff has some good hammer support but it lacks an aspect that would work around it. Omega attack staff is viable though

[civic ocean]

what if I just go Aph Posi Dem and Hearty

[acoustic remnant]

feels like there’s nothing rly great for melee in hades 2 (im not a huge fan of axe)

[civic ocean]

get like 500 max HP surely Chronos can't kill me then

[acoustic remnant]

LOL

[tall notch]

The game does put more of an emphasis on ranged combat. If you are feeling up to the task you can take passion dash on Eos torches and play it like fists though

[acoustic remnant]

I like blades

[mystic bison]

You can try daggers for a melee build

[acoustic remnant]

it’s close enough to the attack speed melee builds I ran in hades 1

oh we can’t say s***

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1244481743679918120/20240527030649_1.jpg?ex=66554571&is=6653f3f1&hm=b856c6b439c98a43601688333210f58b4974b795a1cc1cac52f2f3527e444dcf& Is the shops giving a DD when you have all of them intended or should I have F10'd it?

[acoustic remnant]

is that a bug

[zenith bolt]

should've f10 i think. they don't normally show up when you have full DD

[acoustic remnant]

u shouldn’t be getting it

[tall notch]

I'll F10 the next time I am in game I guess

[acoustic remnant]

what does f10 mean

[split glen]

report bug

[zenith bolt]

f10 is the bug report button

[acoustic remnant]

I didn’t know that existed

the funniest bug I’ve witnessed so far was echo’s food item bouncing into a fence so it’s unclaimable

[upper shuttle]

does the argent skull special count as a dash?

[tall notch]

Nope, it's not a dash

And nothing in the game counts it as one

[wild pine]

Final charon shop sometimes has the anvil

Does the Zeus/Apollo dual boon trigger off a charon cleave-cast?

[wild scaffold]

how does fine tuning work if you have max aspect level?

[zenith bolt]

it goes to rank 6 lol

[wild pine]

It goes up to level 6. Which is exactly what you'd expect.

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/f1ySzwZ.png

[wild scaffold]

god damn yeah ok thats worthy of a legendary for sure

[zenith bolt]

almost all of them are linear upgrades, the only one that isn't is aspect of persephone (which goes from 30 at rank V to 40 at rank VI instead of 35)

[wild scaffold]

neat! which nocturnal arm gets persephone again? the skull right?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[tall notch]

+5 special power sure is a legendary reward

[zenith bolt]

shrug. there are worse

[odd ruin]

question, for keepsakes is it more beneficial to start out with the demeter boon or heras boon? for lim and oros?

[acoustic remnant]

do u like damage or cc

[odd ruin]

I haven't been doing very well without the attack boon from demeter but I want the special boon from hera

I think I might just be bad at the game though

[cyan nest]

Best to get your main attack boon right away. makes it easier to hit with a couple poms

[karmic gust]

beach ball enters the chat

hope they change that duo its extremely boring imo (may just be using it wrong tho?? i dont get it)

[zenith bolt]

i already punched down at beach ball earlier in #h2-discussion

it and burning desire both are wack

[karmic gust]

whats burning desire again?

[zenith bolt]

more shades spawn around area and you can sprint into them

[civic ocean]

Makes twitch chat real IIRC

[karmic gust]

lmfao

[zenith bolt]

yeah basically that, you get your very own toxic fanbase

[karmic gust]

yea i remember seeing that in like my 7th run? and i never saw the shades cause it was in the fields

and then i died and decided never to use hestia and aphro together again

[zenith bolt]

hera duos are very feast or famine

[karmic gust]

i actually havent played wit her much, tho she does have the highest dmg bonus i believe

[zenith bolt]

aphrodite's is higher

[karmic gust]

oh right, i meant without any conditions

tho for lots of weapons, being close isnt really a downside

[civic ocean]

Hera's downside is you have to listen to that obnoxious gong

[zenith bolt]

its not that bad

[wild pine]

To be honest, +5 power to the staff special is on par with some of the best boons out there, although very few weapon aspects have that kind of value

[civic ocean]

to get +5 power otherwise you need like 3 boons right

[wild pine]

Hestia infusion will often get up to +10 power or so

Folks, I have maxed all the weapons but for Circe, Moros, and Medea. None of which I much cared for when I first tried them. Which one should I start ranking up? Or do I just hoard nightmare for future aspects?

[zenith bolt]

medea is better than both of the other two

farming nightmare isn't that slow so you should be able to get all three leveled up far before we get new aspects

[plain fossil]

I dont like hera at all except on weapons that already naturally have aoe fwiw

Its born again + ok weapon buffs + pile of asscrack imo

[zenith bolt]

lol ok

[plain fossil]

Second best thing about hera after born gain is honestly earth buffs for coarse grit

[civic ocean]

It's the only earth element attack/special boon in the game

[plain fossil]

Ye like i say its an enabler for the actual good god

Lemme put it like this, if my setup doesnt need mana then hera is really really far down the priority list

[civic ocean]

Still IDK it's kinda hard to say she's a bad god when she gives great Origination value, great %damage, additional AOE help, and like the best gain in the game, while also being a part of the best elemental trio for defense in the whole game right

[zenith bolt]

her own infusion is easy to activate and quite good on setups that don't take excellence/divinity, especially since it doesn't activate vow of arrogance in doing so

[plain fossil]

Idk for me if im clicking demeter then i dont need origination value and if im not clicking demeter then i dont need earth squigglies

[civic ocean]

I dunno how consistent it is to click Demeter, get freeze + cyclone and get to CG+6 Earth without Hera, yeah?

[zenith bolt]

as well as the self-synergy with uncommon grace

[plain fossil]

Its pretty consistent with heph demeter since every heph buff u want is earth p sure

[civic ocean]

We're talking about a 9 boon package at this point right for Orig + CG+Earth?

[plain fossil]

Yes

[wild pine]

I believe Sworn Strike/Flurish have the highest %weapon damage of any basic boon that applies a curse, and the highest unconditional weapon damage (lacking aphro's range requirement), and the longest-lasting best-uptime burse (freeze is short term and wears off easily). So I think even for single-target beatdowns, Hera supports chonky hits from axe, dagger, and skull just fine. Plus opting in to hera unlocks Born Gain and some other nice perks.

[round shell]

https://youtu.be/uVOcgo0cNF0?si=YtVVxcBNYly1RPvw

[plain fossil]

Demeter is the same at higher rarities fwiw and obviously freeze is a much much better curse

[wild pine]

Does the "freeze resistance" thawed enemies get count as a curse for origination?

[plain fossil]

Yes

[zenith bolt]

freeze cd is a curse yes

[glossy rivet]

damn just realized apollo doesnt have a status effect but his % is lower than hera's anyway

[zenith bolt]

daze on attack is tied to a different boon

this is why you're the #3 god, apollo https://i.imgur.com/UKQcL27.png

[tired fulcrum]

And rng

Wtf its 10% at common

[wild pine]

Oh, in that case, yeah, Frost strike is going to be much better than Sworn Strike. Although, you could get Arctic Ring and Sworn Strike and have yourself a good time. (Much better than Frost Stirke and Engagement Ring). Or just use family trade to flip your sworn strike over into frost strike post facto.

[civic ocean]

daze guaranteed on attack would be preposterous tbf

[glossy rivet]

also sacrificing cast or gain to unlock apollo legendary

[zenith bolt]

as if blinding sprint doesnt give you 100% daze uptime

[civic ocean]

isn't daze like a billion miss chance

[zenith bolt]

it's thicc https://i.imgur.com/i9YufKz.png

[tired fulcrum]

20% innit yeah

[zenith bolt]

this is why blinding sprint is my #1 dash boon

[glossy rivet]

how do u control rng for getting the family trade u want

[wild pine]

Let's be real, almost none of the legendaries are particularly good or worth chasing.

[tired fulcrum]

By having only one core boon

[wild pine]

Vow of Forsaking shenanigans

[plain fossil]

I struggle a bit with apollo as well i find it underwhelming unless im playing a cast build and i can pile into some broken duo

Like just as a regular god click i dont really ever do that

[zenith bolt]

poseidon's, hermes', and apollo's are quite good, demeter's, hephaestus', and hera's are worth taking if they show up

[civic ocean]

Do people do regular god clicks

[glossy rivet]

idk man apollo is dope on staff Oatk and artemis dagger

[plain fossil]

I mean as like i dunno for axe on attack or whatever

[zenith bolt]

im not sure what this term means

[plain fossil]

Like not as ur support god

[civic ocean]

I go into every run knowing the 3 gods I want

[zenith bolt]

i usually only ever am focusing on 2 gods tbh, im ok with most thirds

[wild pine]

Increasingly often I am forcing a 4th god

[plain fossil]

Ye so do i im saying that unless i know im aiming for glorious disaster or similar i dont click apollo

[timber pawn]

Apollo works on pan too, I got poseidon special and Apollo legendary and it was a pretty hilarious Pan run

[civic ocean]

Oh I guess not planning for him is fan yeah

I think Apollo's got the best legendary and duos to build around for sure

[zenith bolt]

i quite enjoy taking apollo if he shows up because blinding sprint is really good and has the ability to give me backstab damage which is nice given it's a pretty large damage bonus

[glossy rivet]

bro does artemis not have a legendary
tfw no lightning rod II

[plain fossil]

Apollo legendary is very good thats true

[wild pine]

I really like Blinding Sprint, Back Burner, and Super Nova as support picks for all kinds of builds tbh. Sometimes also Extra Dose.

[zenith bolt]

artemis doesn't have a legendary, no

[timber pawn]

Can also brick your run if you're lowish mp and running born gain and vow of prime mp lol

[civic ocean]

Doing this on torches I have intentionally re-rolled boons to get offered common ones and I snap pick that chaos curse early

[zenith bolt]

if you're 0/0 with born gain you're either running insane magick drain or like common unupgraded with base magick

[glossy rivet]

had rare crop pick born gain last time feels good man only primes 1 mp

[timber pawn]

Ya I have to really play around it in my spiteful runs because I'm priming minimum 70 mp between spiteful and trusty shield afaik

[civic ocean]

If you're playing Exceptional Talent and you don't hit any cost reduction hammers/chaos your Omega moves are usually costing you like 40 mana per shot and you've likely primed like 70-80 mana in the process

It's not something that will happen if you prevent it, but it is something you have to prevent from happening

[violet kindle]

can you reach hephaestus attack cooldown to 1 second?

[zenith bolt]

minimum is 2s

[wild pine]

I recently took a +boon rarity boon from chaos in Erebus cause the alternative penalties were trash. I was just narrowly staying ahead of the MP drain from random rare boons forced on me left and right. In fields of Morning I hit some duos that I had to take (alternatives were ruinous trades) and briefly ended up locked out of magick on one of those 3-encounter mega-rooms. Fortunately the end shop had a magic pot

This was on Charon with no cost increasers but also no decreasers

and I did have titan/centaur

[timber pawn]

I was locked out of my mp during scylla, but I had a 120s chaos curse that does 500 damage, but gives 63mp.

It expired during the scylla fight but it broke my armor so instead of killing me it let me finish the fight lol

[zenith bolt]

charon i tend to not have any problems with magick on

bc your thing is like 25 mp for 3000 damage

[civic ocean]

this armor stuff must be stopped

like that's clearly not intentional

[wild pine]

Nice!

[zenith bolt]

trusty shield and mint condition running insane PR for heph rn

[civic ocean]

The curse of epic doom from the spawn of all creation being nullified by a silk scarf cmon now

[glossy rivet]

can armor work vs chronos 999 dmg attack lol
no spillover damage ever right?

[timber pawn]

I've had like 12 32 wins and 2 losses in the last 14 runs and almost every one of them is a trusty shield vow of suffering run. It's so consistent

[tender flint]

aspect of melinoe whats the standard build and also what arcana?

[timber pawn]

Which weapon they all have mel aspect

[zenith bolt]

there are five different aspects of melinoe

[civic ocean]

cmon doonk

[wild pine]

Oh also, Apollo is IMO the best source of fire to feed Hestia's Slow Cooker besides Hestia herself. Only she, Apollo, and Hephaestus have any. And Heph's fire boons tend to be pretty mid.

[civic ocean]

shape up bud

that's 5 weapons

[tender flint]

standard aspect of melinoe

[zenith bolt]

im sobbing

[civic ocean]

DOONK

[wild pine]

Watch The Green Knight, there is precedent

[tender flint]

ITS LITERALLY CALLED THAT

[timber pawn]

My brother in Christ

[zenith bolt]

what f ucking weapon

[civic ocean]

every weapon has an aspect of melinoe

[timber pawn]

Do you have a stick? Or daggers? Or a big axe? Or a skull?

[glossy rivet]

aspect of melinoe melinoe

[tender flint]

OMG Im stupid

[civic ocean]

LMAOOO

[tender flint]

staff

[civic ocean]

cryingggg

[tender flint]

im sorry im to high for this

aspect of melinoe staff

[glossy rivet]

get apollo legendary, born gain
i guess lol

[wild pine]

Melinoe Staff can do all kinds of things tbh because you can build around donking with ranged omega casts, blapping with omega attack, or a hybrid

occasionally with the right hammers even omega special can be your mainstay

[civic ocean]

You can do apollo legendary and attack and born gain

Or you can do Zeus Cast into Air Fryer (or just like whatever you want, other cast stuff ig)

[glossy rivet]

double oatk hammer
spam omega attacks

[tender flint]

i have done momus runs and omega special i want something attack based

[glossy rivet]

apollo legendary oatk spam

[zenith bolt]

attack staff is just like ough

[tender flint]

any specific arcana

[zenith bolt]

unless omega attack

[glossy rivet]

i miss achilles spear man

and serrated point

[civic ocean]

just keep in mind that if you do want Apollo Legendary and you take Born Gain you CANNOT discard Solar Ring with Forsaking or you won't get the Legendary

[tender flint]

any specific arcana

[glossy rivet]

ideal dream scenario is to get legendary and get late demeter cast or smth to replace it after

[timber pawn]

I like running Zeus cast into local climate. You actually want ionic gain and probably spirit surge too

[civic ocean]

Probably just go 20 rerolls 3 DDs Sorc Furies Lovers Runner and then preference

[plain fossil]

Ionic gain monka

[glossy rivet]

20 rerolls
???????????

[timber pawn]

I cleared 32 with that build as described

[wild pine]

Double or cross cata, get demeter or apollo attack (or maybe hera), Born Gain or Hearth gain or maybe lucid gain. Demeter has Weed Killer which is your best friends, Zeus and Hesty have ranged casts which are also your best friends unless you're on Lucid Gain, if you can get a ranged cast then Arctic Ring is great or Passion or Anvil ring are acceptable.

[civic ocean]

they might as well be 20 with how good I am at them

[timber pawn]

Worked surprisingly well

[civic ocean]

(yeah I meant 10)

[wild pine]

You may as well take a Volcanic flourish + vent if you feel like it and will remember how to count to 20

[timber pawn]

I've not yet used anvil ring lol

Idk what you'd add to anvil ring to make it decent

[civic ocean]

Hades skull probs

[glossy rivet]

161% weed killer feelsgood

[zenith bolt]

so good at the game he spends only half a reroll per reroll... no way...

[wild pine]

With glowing coal or the zeus equivalent it is just really really strong single-target damage compared to the first two biomes. Solves erebus and oceanus for you while you are assembling exodia

[civic ocean]

that's WABSing for ya

[plain fossil]

Ive done this thing its ok but unspectacular i dont recommend particularly

[civic ocean]

You can't really solve erebus with a cast because the first boss teleports

[timber pawn]

Oh ya I hadn't considered it w/ hestia fireball

[timber pawn]

Hera being the exception

[civic ocean]

I mean you kinda can tbh but just not with anvil ring that thing tiny

[glossy rivet]

how big is anvil ring on lvl 5 charon axe

[civic ocean]

zeus also pretty good u just gotta get lucky

[glossy rivet]

is it still bricking-tier lol

[timber pawn]

Cast is such a strong defensive tool even if you're using it as an attack, having a tiny cast is spooky

[civic ocean]

tbf anvil ring does do insane dmg

[wild pine]

Does Charon give bonus size when you lay the cast down or only when you pop it? If so you can't actually get big anvil

[plain fossil]

I really like zeus on these zero mana setups as i said before, the prime is so strong when its free

[wild pine]

But Super Nova Anvil is fun

[glossy rivet]

pretty sure the cast circle is bigger on charon

is downpour + glorious disaster still the goated charon build?

[tired fulcrum]

Only when you pop it

[glossy rivet]

DAMN

[timber pawn]

80x3?

Or is it 180x3 with omega

[civic ocean]

with moon I think it's like 440 dmg or smth

moon kinda op

[zenith bolt]

does anvil ring count as a blast effect?

[plain fossil]

No, its only sprint attack special

[zenith bolt]

smithy sprint build when

[glossy rivet]

whats a good wpn aspect for all heph btw

[civic ocean]

gotta get that poseidon duo on Mel Staff and drop huge ass farts on Chronos

[sour cape]

Artemis can also parry it

[glossy rivet]

i havent gotten heph orange yet

[timber pawn]

Moon?

[bleak night]

Good mornin

[sour cape]

Whats so good bout Moon 👀

[civic ocean]

The Moon - 100 power casts. Its a lot of dmg

[bleak night]

Moon is nice

[timber pawn]

Hi mynt! Are you european?

[zenith bolt]

good evening

[bleak night]

Yeah, CET

[timber pawn]

Ooooh right.

[civic ocean]

Do you think a North American would play with a left joycon and a mouse

[bleak night]

Feels more like a Japanese setup more than a European one

[zenith bolt]

real americans play hades 2 with the uhh goddamn wii wheel

[timber pawn]

Oh gotcha, I did not realize. I had an exciting day of throwing two separate rotating 32 fear all weapon streaks on the last weapon

[bleak night]

Oh, what weapon was it ?

[plain fossil]

Hey has anyone tried playing charon axe with poseidon cast

[bleak night]

"I'm playing on a USB steering wheel! It's not my fault!"

[plain fossil]

It seems a lot weaker but it is instant so u dont have so much waiting maybe its ok?

[timber pawn]

Torches first time, Artemis second time. The Artemis chronos fight was glitchy though and cost me a DD in p2

[wild pine]

Honestly, I'm not sure what you mean by "all Heph" but you can unlock his legendary with just attack or special, the vent upgrade, and the armor boon, which is a tidy package that slots in almost anywhere you have a click you don't use often.

[zenith bolt]

sorry your 32 fear runs are only legitimate if they're done on god's strongest controller, the DK bongos

[timber pawn]

Understandable

[tender flint]

so ok i dont get the staffs basic attack it feels week is zues the best option on it or should I still get ionic gain

[bleak night]

Your 32 Fear runs are only valid if you play the DK Bongos for controls and aiming and the DDR pad for movement

[civic ocean]

jesus christ doonk

[wild pine]

If you're detonating with the special, then Poseidon cast is no faster than anything else except Apollo

[timber pawn]

If you're going with the omega cast approach you kinda ignore the basic attack

[tender flint]

ok intresting but for basic attack anything specific

[civic ocean]

OMEGA attack, build for the OMEGA attack!

[tender flint]

JESUS THE MORE YOU YELL THE WORSE ILL UNDERSTAND

[civic ocean]

I somehow strongly doubt that

[zenith bolt]

east is an abusive parent... no way...

[cyan nest]

staff basic attack seems pretty whack without double whallop

[bleak night]

play the attack speed build for the memes

[plain fossil]

Well yea obviously im comparing it to apollo as the meta strategy i assumed that was a given lul

[tender flint]

so ok if you want me to play for omega attacks whats good on it

[zenith bolt]

finally, now we can trigger serenity on circe once every 2 years instead of 5

[wild pine]

Ionic Gain is almost always disastrously bad. It primes 70% of your MAX mana before any other priming effects, so if you have any other priming going on then it tends to shut you out of using magick at all. And the regen isn't even that fast, so once you have good amounts of base magick coming in from arcana and longer runs, you'll find it takes most of a fight for it to generate as much magic as it stole from you in the first place.

[tender flint]

intresting

[civic ocean]

woah hey come on now

[glossy rivet]

is hestia gain le good? or le bad?

[civic ocean]

Isn't it like really, really good regen

[bleak night]

what mana does it regen if everything is primed lol

[glossy rivet]

20% from current hp? does it take away from future centaur hearts?

[bleak night]

Yeah

[civic ocean]

Fair but like "The regen isn't even that fast" it's like really fast!

[glossy rivet]

omg cursed slash moment

[bleak night]

It's quick, yeah

[zenith bolt]

hestia's gain is 7/s common unupgraded and i think +3 per upgrade/rarity from that

[glossy rivet]

guan-yu moment

[sour cape]

Well prob averaged across the encounter-the amount that it primed, its not tooo fast 🤔

[zenith bolt]

ionic gain is similar except you remove your liver and kidneys for it

[civic ocean]

I coulda swore ionic was more than hearth

[glossy rivet]

have the 70% penalty from ionic gain scale to rarity btw eheheheh
red ionic gain be like 20% penalty only

[sour cape]

Ionic is common 4/s

[wild pine]

On a pretty fresh file, I feel that staff attack is pretty good with double wallop or the dash-strike enhancer or the long-range enhancer. Double-tapping with hestia or poseidon shreds no-fear erebus and oceanus and mixing apollo with one of the range enhancers gives you a satisfyingly huge rod. Unfortunately none of the three staff aspects does anything for your basic attack, and you can't force the right hammers to show, and Momus is just so busted that basic attack spam will always play second fiddle to basic special spam.

[zenith bolt]

more? https://i.imgur.com/rCOTJjK.png https://i.imgur.com/geTYtvW.png

LOL

[plain fossil]

Wow ionic gets more asscrack every time i look at it

[bleak night]

Ionic should be maybe 50% instead of 70%, it's kinda too trash atm

[civic ocean]

Son of a gun got automodded!?

[sour cape]

if you got 100 mana, takes 17.5s to even start "regenning" you mana

[plain fossil]

Welcome to my hourly experience

[tender flint]

Thank you @civic ocean you see you dont have to yell to explain ur just abusive im crying myself to sleep now

[civic ocean]

I'm also crying if it helps

[glossy rivet]

man i should try momus but like with the 300% aoe omega special
instead of just momuseidon abusing like always

[zenith bolt]

ionic gain is the worst gain

[tender flint]

iim happy now

[civic ocean]

tbf Ionic plays into the whole "be zeus be low mana so u globally bolt"

[mint pewter]

i took ionic gain once, literally never again

[sour cape]

Ionic needs some changes

[zenith bolt]

it's so bad it's unbelievable

[glossy rivet]

just play spirit surge the entire run brah

[zenith bolt]

ionic on its own is really bad and basically only exists for the spirit surge synergy which is like... idk just take vow of panic instead?

[sour cape]

But then taking no mana boon is even better since not wastiing a boon 💀

[plain fossil]

...memeus?

[timber pawn]

Spirit surge is almost as good as engagement ring tbh

[glossy rivet]

AMOMUS
HOLY SOOT

[sour cape]

unless you desperately need Air

[zenith bolt]

air is from like every goddamn god

[wild pine]

Hard to really say what Ionic should be compared to because unconditional regen is so rare. It's slower than Hearth, and I believe either the same or slightly slower than Aphro Gain, but because it is always on it ends up being much better than Aphro. It is about 1/3 the rate of Lucid but without making you sit on your cast, and 1/6th Tranquil but without making you stand still.

[sour cape]

yea

[civic ocean]

yeah no ionic is brutal I misremembered

[zenith bolt]

if you somehow are struggling to find air with artemis, hermes, chaos, and narcissus backing up whatever other gods you have, i am shocked

[sour cape]

Yea true

[plain fossil]

I dont agree its better than aphro unless the fight is insanely long, even mathematically, due to how much mana it removes at the start of the encounter

[civic ocean]

You always burn ionic first like 2 offerings from zeus if you're going AQ anyways

You take Storm Ring and a Blitz so you can kill stuff

[zenith bolt]

glamour gain is 6/s without the super crippling downside

[sour cape]

its more like if the encounter is less than 17.5s with the common level 1, and you are always using mana, then ionic costed you more mana than it gave you

[wild pine]

If you get tired of Poseidon there's lots of fun Dumb Momus Tricks. Since it makes the base damage so high you can take frost flourish for comparable single-target deeps or passion flourish for superior bonking if you're willing to play like a madman.

[civic ocean]

Like if I'm playing Air Fryer Persephone I'm tossing Ionic Gain instantly

[sour cape]

with the startin 100 mana

[timber pawn]

On no fear running ionic for an omega cast build honestly works really well, trouble is like you guys said when you're running fear

[brittle prairie]

Ionic Gain should be like base 15 or something to even warrant obliterating your mana bar like that

[wild pine]

Yup. Remember also that mana regen is turned off when your mana is full and while you are channeling

[civic ocean]

Yeah I'd imagine omega cast builds are probably dtf with Ionic if they slam a bunch of mana pots or cost reduction

[glossy rivet]

how about big % special and the big omega special damage hammers
what else i get

[mint pewter]

also if i wanted to chain lightning everything i would just take static shock imo

[glossy rivet]

the one with 300% splash radius
maybe hera momus

[plain fossil]

So ive complained a lot about this setup this week but actually had a bit more success recently by not clicking zeus cast but instead going the zero mana setup since theres so many zeus boons that work with it

[sour cape]

Even if no fear, it makes good boons or otherwise free effects pretty bad

[timber pawn]

Honestly just enough to keep you around 20mp total it works well

[civic ocean]

Like if I'm running Charon and I can take Ionic and be above 25 mana what else do I need

[brittle prairie]

additive damage specials scale better with poseidon still

[sour cape]

Like if you got Hephaestus and now unable to take Trusty Shield

[timber pawn]

Ya it definitely has less use cases than basically every other gain

[glossy rivet]

i wanna try omega special momus instead of just momuseidoning

[sour cape]

or unable to take Demeters reserve mana for a 1 time shield

[timber pawn]

Honestly wouldn't be a bad pick, ya

[wild pine]

My proposed fix for Ionic is that it doesn't reduce your max mana, but the mana regen is dramatically reduced above some low threshold

[zenith bolt]

zeus reducing your magick by % kinda sucks when priming isnt reduced by that same % so arrogance becomes super painful

[civic ocean]

the problem is by the time I take Glorious Disaster and Torrential Downpour there is uhh absolutely no way I am able to be above 25 mana anymore LMAO

[sour cape]

💀

[glossy rivet]

is this charon axe

[zenith bolt]

esp when duos are very painful on arrogance (like 50 primed i think?)

[sour cape]

Duos cost that much?

[timber pawn]

Oh ya you're boned. That's like 80 or 100mp primed lol

[civic ocean]

It's okay I am actually getting pretty good at using Tranquil Gain on Charon now

[zenith bolt]

duos are above legendary on rarity iirc

[wild pine]

30, they are considered Heroic. I'm pretty sure?

[zenith bolt]

ah ok, still painful regardless

[sour cape]

like even on low fear without arrogance, the fact that it makes a lot of other boons bricks is bad enough not to take ionic

[civic ocean]

just drink some mana pots no biggie

[sour cape]

💀

yea each mana pot gives 6 mana?

[zenith bolt]

shocking loss is one of the few boon (or boon-like) rewards that has lore on it

i think it's actually the only boon period that has lore on it (narcissus has lore on heavenly splendor so that's the other one)

[plain fossil]

9!

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/xyOyqAs.png https://i.imgur.com/FYFYzFk.png

[sour cape]

If you get more mana pots, the time it takes for Ionic to pay out more mana gets really high 💀

[civic ocean]

who cares about that it's not a stock exchange just kill them

[plain fossil]

So that legendary is considered bad right? Im not missing anything?

[sour cape]

160 mana means you need to be regenning for 28s per room 😠

[zenith bolt]

shocking loss isn't necessarily bad it's just not really like massively game-changing

underwhelming for what it is, but whatever

[glossy rivet]

Make it work on chronos

[civic ocean]

true

make the ideal speedrun strat getting zeus leg and gambling on bosses

[sour cape]

can shocking loss delete Chronos?

[zenith bolt]

read the last like 3 messages

[sour cape]

oh

[zenith bolt]

what's funny is winter harvest is comparatively just more % damage and more consistent

[sour cape]

Maybe they planning ot add lore to all the legendaries

[zenith bolt]

and demeter is actually good in this game, too

[sour cape]

yea gramma is top

[glossy rivet]

Granddaughter bias

[sour cape]

yea clearly she picks favorites 😆

[zenith bolt]

these reqs arent even that bad https://i.imgur.com/BJYUrkf.png

[glossy rivet]

Only forage sounds like a meme

[zenith bolt]

the only sorta dud is plentiful forage and that can still give you at least a centaur's heart worth of hp so it's still not that bad

[plain fossil]

And it works on bosses!

[glossy rivet]

i always run shovel for more bones anyway

[zenith bolt]

plentiful forage early on with shovel equipped is decently valuable

[sour cape]

Too bad always got fishing rod 😭

[zenith bolt]

fishing rod + toula is optimal for bones. no amount of plants will ever beat out fish

[glossy rivet]

Shovel and toula
Too bad about the frogwall but eh

[plain fossil]

I dont click weed killer very often ngl but its good in its niche

[crimson wraith]

Hm, for pure gameplay advantage, that would make the shovel the best choice always, right?

[sour cape]

only problem i got with Demeter is often picking her water boons

so rarely getting Earth for Coarse Grit

[zenith bolt]

assuming you have the literal best highroll for plants possible (6 chaos plants every run), you're still only getting an extra 240 bones per run. fish can easily top that, especially if you catch multiple rare fish (e.g. voidskate, which on its own is worth 222 bones)

[civic ocean]

not so simple! Coldshade recently discovered that the mining deposits block projectiles

[sour cape]

👀

[glossy rivet]

Go hera or heph with demeter for coarse grit usually

[zenith bolt]

pickaxe optimal for non-demeter, shovel optimal for demeter

btw shovel spots can sometimes give free small heals

[sour cape]

truee but need some support god

[glossy rivet]

What's the most valuable surface fish

[zenith bolt]

tuna, but i forget how much it's worth

[glossy rivet]

I spend all that time on top of a ship but cant fish smh

[civic ocean]

depends how you cook them tbh, I'm partial to Tuna and Halibut

[sour cape]

Is Narcsissus the best value gift?

[glossy rivet]

No salmon?

[civic ocean]

Smoked only

[crimson wraith]

Ah, so shovel or pickaxe. That leaves rod and the... the... shade befriendermajig as the inferior options

[sour cape]

that Shadow + 2 of each elements sooo good

[plain fossil]

Echo and hades both super powerful

[zenith bolt]

shade tablet optimal for watching a number go up, fishing rod optimal for lategame bone farm

[plain fossil]

Its pretty much in act order

[sour cape]

Echo do you usually take a boon?

[zenith bolt]

echo i usually take Evade Evade Evade unless Reward Reward Reward is hot

[sour cape]

Hades is really good value if iineed a ranged cast

[plain fossil]

Boons, DD, dodge are all really strong

[sour cape]

oh yea true Echo refilling DDs is great

[zenith bolt]

Survive Survive Survive isn't bad in a pinch ig

[civic ocean]

That nymph never give me what I want

[crimson wraith]

The previous night boon one has the potential to be awesome, but it's luck

[zenith bolt]

the only real duds are Boon Boon Boon (too RNG) and Fight Fight Fight (not gonna be very big for tartarus)

[sour cape]

😔

[zenith bolt]

there's usually always something of value she can give you

[sour cape]

yea its solid

[zenith bolt]

narcissus is very hit-or-miss

[sour cape]

Narcissus got the Shadow which is worth a lot!

[zenith bolt]

sometimes you get heavenly splendor or mixed blessings, sometimes he has nothing

[sour cape]

But uh yea sometimes is junk

[crimson wraith]

I'm finding Arachne to not be too useful as I get better. Usually I just choose whatever has the highest armor

[zenith bolt]

narcissus cannot give you shadow, you might be thinking of heavenly splendor giving you star dust?

[sour cape]

Star dust yea!

[glossy rivet]

Get double up before narcissus
Pray for YES HAHAA on the narcissus reroll

[civic ocean]

Arachne gets better as you get even better

[sour cape]

• two of each ele

[zenith bolt]

arachne is nice for some extra juice when you're bad and some extra buffs when you're good

[sour cape]

Arachne good when you can keep her dress for a long time 😆

I kept the gold dress once to Chronos

[civic ocean]

Rn it's a stream bit that I lose the dress at Hecate every time

[zenith bolt]

hades honestly is the most hit-or-miss of the bunch

[glossy rivet]

Sash and heph start time

[sour cape]

yea Hades sometimes is useless

[crimson wraith]

Yeah, I wanted to try that build

But would you take the sash or Hephaestus keepsake first?

[zenith bolt]

dark is bad, life tax is not that amazing unless you really really need it, old grudge is bad (i will die on this hill), howling soul isn't that great, last gasp requires dying

[sour cape]

Like -20% hp, DD loss and Dark

[plain fossil]

Hades has two insanely strong boons and a bunch of ass

[zenith bolt]

like deep dissent is the main one you want

[sour cape]

Howling Soul is good what!

[plain fossil]

Howling soul and -50% adds

[sour cape]

Sticky ranged cast

and deals 200 dmg

[plain fossil]

Howling soul is like -100 damage from me not eating 5 chronos charges per fight

[sour cape]

yep

[hoary mason]

did they remove the heal moon ability? i havent gotten it in awhile

[civic ocean]

nope

[sour cape]

its stil lthere

[zenith bolt]

You're Just Unlucky™️

[sour cape]

Is there any use for the Onion Keepsake?

[hoary mason]

true

[civic ocean]

-20% Chronos HP is dope too that's like over 4k damage to Dom III grandpa

[plain fossil]

Which one is onion keepsake i forget

[sour cape]

it heals you to full after every room for a limited hp

[crimson wraith]

Restore up to 100 health I think?

[civic ocean]

that one good too

[plain fossil]

Oh that one is good for learning

[sour cape]

isnt it just worse than Skelly's?

[civic ocean]

No, you save skelly for late

skelly does literally nothing till ur out of dds

[crimson wraith]

Eh, it depends on whether I'm more concerned about the boss or the basic enemies I think

[zenith bolt]

onion is more frontloaded which is the difference

[sour cape]

i mean skelly is like having an extra 100 healing

[zenith bolt]

you can have onion on earlier as a noob, then take it off for something else when it runs out. you can't do that with skelly's

[civic ocean]

Yeah but you take onion in erebus or whatever

[acoustic remnant]

what’s onion

[civic ocean]

dora keepsake

[sour cape]

Well you could take off Skelly after you use it

[acoustic remnant]

I’ve never used it does it heal u for a max of 50hp

[civic ocean]

100 iirc

[sour cape]

its 100 at max rank

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/GzUpS8L.png

[civic ocean]

You can use it and wayward son to get further in your first few runs for more content

[crimson wraith]

My favourite is Moros' because it is the coolest. That concludes my reasoning

[acoustic remnant]

moros best boi

[zenith bolt]

moros is the best because you get to hear moros' voice more ❤️

[sour cape]

Moros 😎

[acoustic remnant]

I’ve reached cronos before idt I’ve ever used onion

[crimson wraith]

Hell yeah, love his character, love his aspect, love his keepsake

[sour cape]

10s of free dmg per room 👀

and at least heal to 60

[plain fossil]

I lost my first chronos because i didnt know moros keepsake triggers once per fight not once per dd

[sour cape]

😭

Yea I wish it was once per DD, but that would be pretty op

Does it trigger per encouter in the fields?

[acoustic remnant]

I lost my first cronos fight bc I didn’t upgrade my posideon knives special

He was at 30% in phase 2 when he killed me

[crimson wraith]

Yeah, you can kind of use Moros' keepsake as a better Dora's come to think of it. Down to 10 HP with a couple enemies left? Deliberately get hit, heal 60. That's more than 50% of what the onion would give you

[sour cape]

yep!

[acoustic remnant]

Mynt told me I would’ve had 50% more damage if I upgraded my special

[sour cape]

Momus can heal you a ton over a run too!

but overshadowed how op its special is 💀

[acoustic remnant]

damn

I need to use items more

I ran the chaos item thinking it has the 0 damage bonus when entering chaos portals

I miss hades 1 chaos egg

[crimson wraith]

The egg sometimes frustrated me in Hades 1 because I would equip it then get a door option that looked better than the chaos gate

[acoustic remnant]

ah yea that does happen LOL

[crimson wraith]

And wasn't the egg useless in the Styx?

[plain fossil]

Thats a good question actually, how often do y'all skip chaos gates assuming ur not playing some mana build that desperately needs mana gain like charon

[acoustic remnant]

I think it should’ve worked more like one of the god items where even if u skip the portal once it appears again

[acoustic remnant]

Yea

[civic ocean]

I click on chaos gates a lot

it's a fast room so even if you don't get what you want you get like 30-40 seconds to slow down and not take dmg in other rooms

[crimson wraith]

I take the chaos gate maybe 80% of the time

[civic ocean]

95%

[zenith bolt]

99%

it has to be like i'm at deaths door for me to not

remember kids, always gamble. 90% of gamblers who quit, do it right before they win big

[turbid hull]

insert pickaxe meme

[civic ocean]

I don't take chaos if:

I really need a certain boon and that god is on the door

They're up against Arachne/Narc

I can't (not enough HP)

[plain fossil]

Im more like 80%, just curious

[turbid hull]

what's the name of the incantation to unlock familiars

[zenith bolt]

Faith of Familiar Spirits

[turbid hull]

thx

[crimson wraith]

The 200 seconds to death curse is fun

[zenith bolt]

the recipe for animal crackers is Beast-Loved Morsel

[crimson wraith]

Do people like Melinoe axe?

[turbid hull]

Thanks, I could check what I wanted to check

[plain fossil]

I dont think anybody believes its the most powerful aspect out there, but personally i like clicking LARGE CHOP and using LARGE CHOP until the awful frame data on it kills me

It gives me the endorphins

[arctic glacier]

Yeah most people run Thanatos

[plain fossil]

Im more of a charon enjoyer for pushing fear myself

Btw something vaguely useful for some ppl: theres a chaos trial with LARGE CHOP axe and all the good stuff with it in erebus, 200 hp, its basically impossible to lose. It counts for a zero arcana hecate kill if u never got that prophecy yet

[bleak night]

I wanna replay Chaos Trials

kinda wish I had a save where I didn't do them yet

[timber pawn]

It does strike me as odd they aren't replayable

[civic ocean]

you know what strikes me as odd

Frogs and cats have very different systems of digestion

yet they eat the same crackers...

[turbid hull]

I have a scuffed save file with not everything upgraded but only two Chaos Trials done (prologue + Aphrodite)

[bleak night]

is the Apollo one the Axe chop one ?

[turbid hull]

?

[bleak night]

nvm you said Aphrodite

[turbid hull]

Yeah. Iirc it's torches

[bleak night]

mind if I grab? I wanna relive the big chop Apollo build again for a bit lol

[turbid hull]

Sure, let me package

[bleak night]

ty

[turbid hull]

warning you there's a lot of scuffed stuff, notably in terms of item counts

[bleak night]

I know you do it so there are specific numbers for spreadsheets on boon pom upgrades, so idm

[turbid hull]

Oh I meant for things like regular ressources

I basically have 1k+ of each useful stuff

[bleak night]

Oh, lol

[civic ocean]

why

[turbid hull]

testing

[civic ocean]

what mad science will you do today

[bleak night]

Air Fryer

[turbid hull]

continue doing Poms I only finished three gods with them

they take quite some time due to how complex the algorithm can get

[merry flint]

artemis omega attack doesn't fully charge on parry right

[proven orbit]

Somehow I suspect the mortal cats and frogs would be eating what's essentially pure stardust. They are fiiine

[civic ocean]

we're all made from stardust

[dusty sapphire]

What's the general builds with the Aspect of Pan? Am I right in that Poseidon on spesh with some aoe regular cast like demeter or hestia is the right approach?

Hestia on spesh doesn't seem like it'd be enough damage.

[plain fossil]

Poseidon special hera gain demeter cast is the cookie cutter

[dusty sapphire]

is apollo gain good? probably not right

[plain fossil]

Ur allowed to cope on poseidon gain and click zeus or hestia for easier cast positioning

[plain fossil]

Apollo gain is good if u dont click zeus or hestia imo the problem is the rest of apollo is a bit ??? unless ur going for the legendary

[sour cape]

Poseidon gain is good

[dusty sapphire]

what's the origination activator? pos slip and what?

oh freeze from the cast right I forgot

[sour cape]

Demeter

[dusty sapphire]

k makes sense, thanks

[sour cape]

Tornado too

[dusty sapphire]

tornado what?

[sour cape]

Demeter freeze + Tornado counts as 2

[dusty sapphire]

lmao really what

[plain fossil]

Yep

[civic ocean]

cyclones do yes

[sour cape]

yes, they separate curses

Demeter is really strong

[plain fossil]

I find myself clicking zeus/hestia so much more these days range cast is op

[turbid hull]

soon done on heph, guy is easier to do than the previous 3

[plain fossil]

Makes up for the rest of those gods being usually super mid

[dusty sapphire]

it is but man it's annoying on controller cause the controls to omega and range cast are literally both holding cast

[sour cape]

Yea you love to see Ranged Cast 👀👀

But Hera/Demeter is also good

you can just get dad cast later

Or Demeter/Heph for Pan prob since dont need Born Gain if Poseidon bubble

[analog ether]

Feels kinda weird that the Flames Omega Special doesn't flinch enemies

[dusty sapphire]

feels like it would be lowkey absolutely nuts if it did

like 2-3 omega speshes are already kinda nuts I was sleeping on aspect of mel

[sour cape]

Yea its a lotta dmf output once upgraded

[civic ocean]

Can confirm that Mel Torches would be the strongest weapon in the game by a mile if they staggered with ospecs

[sour cape]

nah still Momus 🙏

Mel torches gotta get in close

and no utility like heal to half

and Torches dont really have the best Hammers

[civic ocean]

nobody heals on Momus except you

[wooden pumice]

No one uses the heal to half on momos tho

[sour cape]

I use it, its a lotta healing!

[analog ether]

Okay, that's a combo I rather like now. Aphro Flames Omega Special + Poseidon Dash.

[sour cape]

and ignores the -heal fear

[wooden pumice]

No way, really, that's def unintended if true

[sour cape]

its intended Zags weapons also healed in H1 through no heal

[wooden pumice]

Whatt that is so broken. I never knew

[sour cape]

Just overshadowed by Momus special buff

[wooden pumice]

Yea definitely

[sour cape]

but its a real thing

[unborn pollen]

Is there a better boon than aphro dite special for the aspect of pan? I feel like it’s hard to get close at 32 dear

[sour cape]

Id say Poseidon

breaks shield in 1 dagger rather than 2

[civic ocean]

honestly the torches could have great hammers

you have given us video evidence to not trust your opinion on the torches

[sour cape]

and some Aoe

[analog ether]

Chews through magic like nothing though, but does actually feel impactful.

[plain fossil]

Idk when i would ever have the mana to click heal on momus

[unborn pollen]

That would be wave flourish right?

[sour cape]

I took Demeter mana for Earth

free post combat heals

[plain fossil]

I mean im constantly 0/0 on momus soooo

[unborn pollen]

I am getting so close to beating fear 32 k got to chronos 3 times now

[sour cape]

Oh

i took 2 levels of Arrogance and wasnt 0/0

plus dont want 0/0 since no more Huntress 😭

[plain fossil]

U also click every prime boon because theyre free

[unborn pollen]

Also sorry if this is dumb but is there a way to reroll hammer selection ?

[sour cape]

i did, had trusty shield, Demeter 1 hit protection

[plain fossil]

U can go to negative a million prime and its still 0 idk if thats intended

[sour cape]

still didnt reserve all my mana 🤔

well had like 20 left by the end

which is enoufh to omega special

[sour cape]

No

[plain fossil]

Anyway torch hammers v good and imo mel torch is still one of the most hammer dependent setups that build sucks without at least one good hammer

Most hammer dependent obvs charon axe but mel torch is up there

Hunting for that triple helix

[sour cape]

Is 3 special that important?

I felt like it was nice but not 100% necessary

Charon is much nicer with 50% faster 🙏

[civic ocean]

big balls is good too

[plain fossil]

Its 50% more damage its a LOT

I like big balls as well esp in a1 since it also works on regular special which ur using a lot early

[turbid hull]

what is big balls

[civic ocean]

Growing Coils

[plain fossil]

Its a hammer, balls get bigger and more damage with duration

[civic ocean]

some of the non omegas are like okay too

like armor breaking balls

[dusty sapphire]

5 entire healing?

[civic ocean]

or even splodey balls

[dusty sapphire]

I mean, it's not affected by vow of scars apparently so that's something ig

[plain fossil]

I did a 24 heat run with +50 damage comet that was kinda troll lul

[sour cape]

per Omega, yea. Can heal to half hp between rooms

just out of combat heal

[dusty sapphire]

wait you can literally hit nothing and heal what

[plain fossil]

Yes

[sour cape]

yes, dont need to hit enemies

[dusty sapphire]

lmao healthy rebound time?

[sour cape]

yea if you got 50% healthy rebound, full heal every room

[civic ocean]

it's not a full heal if you take scars

[plain fossil]

Its just that most of the time as momus ur at 0 mana due to vows, sometimes ur healing does little/nothing due to other vows, and also it costs time

[sour cape]

oh yea scars affect rebound

yea thats why I didnt take timer

and dont take Suffering

[civic ocean]

We've establish that Arya doesn't clear 32 faster than 3.5 hours long

[sour cape]

i cleared in 32 mins 😭

[civic ocean]

Avengers Endgame ass run

[elfin tusk]

I haven't cleared once so... 😂

[sour cape]

And if you take strength

its pretty decent amount of ehp healing

[plain fossil]

Ah yes automod thank you for improving dialogue yet again

[civic ocean]

son of a gun

[sour cape]

Yea this server automod and no images is kinda annoying

[plain fossil]

What i said was, i cant talk because the last 32 i did i took 200 damage from timer

[sour cape]

And once you get Coarse Grit and Poseidon Infusion, the heal comes in very handy 👀

Since then like you def wont be worn down like evr