h2-builds-and-combat

[plain fossil]

Just so u can be allowed to keep playing the game

[warped harness]

i have momus at rank 3, but using it i just did better with double wallop aphro /w demeter support

[plain fossil]

Like even if they kept the cap but made new bubbles overwrite old bubbles it would feel so much better

[west rain]

i might just quit this run and go with one of the others

i kinda liked the sprint one. that got silly

[warped harness]

also is there any use for the fish or are they just to be sold

[timber pawn]

Moros made me hate torches. Eos changed my mind eventually

[timber pawn]

Just bones for now

[warped harness]

i might run it to farm bones for more easy nightmare then

lil buddy will claim their bones

[haughty depot]

im holding fish in case theres something that uses them later, but there's nothing rn

i think momus could use something like -10 flat base dmg and -20% on double moonshot

[plain fossil]

Momus just doesnt need quadruple base damage lets be real lul if u nerf that one thing everything else is fine

Double moonshot is probably ok imo but u could nerf it if u thought it was unreasonably out of line with other hammers

[haughty depot]

i think its like only a real choice bc of momus atm

but with momus its the only choice

[civic ocean]

My prediction is the power will only be applied to the Omega Special

[haughty depot]

dedge weapon then

[bleak night]

Probs make it really buffed at that point

[civic ocean]

Yeah it would probably go up

[bleak night]

+50 on omega specials

[civic ocean]

What is the base power of the staff omega special now

[plain fossil]

20?

[haughty depot]

im just doing serenity and double wallop at that point

[bleak night]

I haven't really played an Omega Special build on Staff before lol

[plain fossil]

I think? 25 maybe?

[civic ocean]

Yeah 50 power on it makes sense with the heal

[timber pawn]

I got my first clear on it and then used momus twice and never touched the weapon again basically lol

[civic ocean]

And then Circe or Mel gets changed to work with the other moves

[bleak night]

I've only played it maybe 4 or 5 times

[west rain]

moros would do a lot better if the balloons stopped closer or when they hit something

[civic ocean]

Like honestly Serenity could give the specials and attacks Power like Momus gives specials now

[warped harness]

it'd be fun and cool if the balloons blew eachother up

[plain fossil]

Sure thats another potential fix, the basic issue is that u end up in these situations where the bubbles pierce through ur target and end up across the screen and u cant even attack until either u run over and pop them or they expire

[zenith bolt]

i think there's a hex that gives serenity but hexes suck anyway

[warped harness]

its so lame that moros torches need the special to blow up and you cant build fun chains

[warped harness]

i think moon water does?

[zenith bolt]

that's funny if it is moon water

[warped harness]

i know it's an effect you get for upgrading one of them a lot

[feral mirage]

wrong, some of selenes hexes are op

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/06Kyib0.png https://i.imgur.com/e8iNsDz.png
lol. lmao even

[warped harness]

YEP

[feral mirage]

jokes on you, I never pick that one

[zenith bolt]

hex tier list:
SS: moon water
A: total eclipse
C: everything else
F: dark side

[feral mirage]

side note, a lot of the language used for boons and hexes is kinda confusing and doesn't get explained unless you pick it

[shy wharf]

phase shift with the damage reduction when not charged is pretty good from what Ive experienced

[timber pawn]

Best part of having a hex is the hermes boon that increases attack/special speed when hex is full lol

[jovial cove]

maybe it's just my playstyle but I think Phase Shift is pretty dog water

I'm using my omega to create slowdown anyway

[zenith bolt]

i think most hexes are bad i just really hate dark side

[jovial cove]

wolf howl would be good if the aiming reticule didn't disappear on me

[primal inlet]

Hazy memories from original Hades: "attack and special deal +30% damage" is additive with other things that increase your attack and special damage, like boons, but "deal 20% damage" applies to all damage including, say, poseidon's splash boons? Is the Furies arcana multiplicative with other boons, or is it just the extra +20 on top

[steel sequoia]

i like the heal hex, w/e the rest i dont want to see selene again in my run

[jovial cove]

I do think moon is a medium boon and not a major boon. You shouldn't get it room 1 for the same reason you don't get poms and obols there

[warped harness]

what is total eclpse again

[mystic bison]

Alr Pan is my favorite weapon https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1242265537682214912/Screenshot_4061.png?ex=664d3570&is=664be3f0&hm=fa5e455415f0e1c01b9559a6697651744096d9bfb18277dca95ac99525bcd904&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=742&height=417

[jovial cove]

colony drop

[warped harness]

the giant aoe?

[jovial cove]

yee

[mint nexus]

wait how do we send screenshots

[warped harness]

is it good because of some passives

[mystic bison]

upload somewhere and send link

[mint nexus]

Ah whatever. Just beat Chronos again for I think the 4th time now. Let me just say, Furious Whirlwind, Psychic Whirlwind, and Nova Strike together on the axe are insane.

[mint nexus]

ah I see

[civic ocean]

@steel sequoia additive, in fact I think everything you just mentioned is additive, everything except crit

Why did that just tag Inosuke lol

[mint nexus]

You can sprint at +60% speed WHILE using the Omega spin

And it channels almost instantly

[steel sequoia]

yeah i took a while to understand

[mint nexus]

At that point it's basically passive damage while you're standing near him. The game just becomes don't get hit.

[bleak night]

Oooh, Steam build

[primal inlet]

it actually notified me, so who knows. And yeah, the attack and special, the chaos and regular boons, some of the hammer ones (like the turbo omega attack for the torches) are all additives. I wasn't sure if "they take more damage" counted as a different "bucket" than "your attacks deal more damage", good to check

[tall notch]

I would like hexes a lot more if they couldn't get forced on your first room

[primal inlet]

that was my loadout the first time I got to him but uhh, the second phase ended my run instantaneously

[steel sequoia]

i see like 0,1% hammer 50% selene in first room

[bleak night]

I'd like some hexes more if they didn't have an extended channeling startup that opens me to getting smacked

[civic ocean]

I feel like that's because I can roll off of them after tho

[civic ocean]

Or if they were active before I spent the activation mana to use them, thus killing almost everything in the room that my moon laser was meant to hit

[bleak night]

I also kinda hate how Path of Stars is also RNG

I get Wolf Howl almost every time, and half the time the 100% crit isn't even there

[steel sequoia]

im having a rough time doing these trials https://postimg.cc/VrFY3td8 i really need a non drifting controller

[bleak night]

Are you using Joycons or smth ?

[steel sequoia]

im using my switch controller, but its at a point i cant make it stand anymore. ive bought a new one but it will take a while to deliver

[bleak night]

Oh, I bought a third party Switch controller for my laptop, but I decided to use a Joycon + mouse for this game anyway

Procontrollers I kinda leave for the Switch, that way I don't have to keep packing it up

Might need to just wait for that procon or get an electronic fluid thing for the stick, it helped mine for a while

[steel sequoia]

i got a better controller now, suppose to, got a hall effect technology

should have a more durable experience

[upper shuttle]

How exactly does nasty comeback work?

does is it damage the enemy 10x the damage it dealt me or does it 10x the reflect damage on hitch when I hit the enemy that attcks me?

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242271570647318633/20240521012327_1.jpg?ex=664d3b0e&is=664be98e&hm=8d74ecf1c878c02b63994569432dead71e70fffb9fe2fcf80fb35ea65eb1f761& Melinoë staff is actually kinda fun

[steel sequoia]

need to play more with it i like it too

[tall notch]

Momus overshadows it in terms of power level but it's just fun

[formal wyvern]

You can even have two spins happening at the same time with it (only for a little overlap though)

[wet field]

do other people agree that momus is absolutely the best aspect of descura and likely the best aspect in the game? it feels absurd every time i use it

[quaint orchid]

Switch controllers so ass

I’ve burned through 3 pairs

[timber pawn]

I think I may start just messing with stuff. Like an omega attack based persephone build

[steel sequoia]

yup, thats my case. i dont borrow the pro controller anymore tho so i bought a new one with hall effect to test in hades

[plain fossil]

This is the general consensus, yes. A few ppl like pan more than momus

[steel sequoia]

think both need at least 1 hammer to be the best, i rather play momus but i like pan more

positioning and charging is better than turbo Y

[plain fossil]

In terms of power im pretty sure momus with 0 hammers beats most other aspects with 1 hammer ngl

Obviously it scales well with hammers but its pretty good on its own lul

[timber pawn]

Pan feels a little more interactive than momus at least lol

[tall notch]

Medea skull gamers, how do I not tank every hit under the sun when I charge in to special?

I've been trying to play it like Baewulf from Hades 1 but like the lack of block messes with me

[timber pawn]

This one's a real mystery to me lol, maybe the answer is a bit more patience than beowulf

There's some high heat runs on bilibili if you want a reference point

[civic ocean]

I think you're meant to omega special in?

Does that not pop the bombs

[lunar lance]

Haha, I was about to ask how people feel about Medea skull

[mossy beacon]

what boons good for artifact of eos?

[timber pawn]

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1wt421M7X9

Guy clearing on 40 heat

[forest veldt]

it does just takes longer for dmg

[lunar lance]

Do the Medea skull's boosts to attack and special apply to the omega versions?

I've been trying a Medea skull run and doing a lot of omega attack

[civic ocean]

No but you use the omega special as like a shield

[lunar lance]

I see. Hm.

[civic ocean]

So you load up and then Ospecial through, and again smaller enemies I'd imagine you combo one atk and one special? Idk tho

[tall notch]

Oh Demeter cast is the answer, that explains a lot

[spare kite]

When in doubt, freeze them

[timber pawn]

Ya I saw that too and was like 'oh, duh' lol

[timber pawn]

This playstyle would lend itself to persephone aspect if you're having fun

[somber cobalt]

apparently if you get a sacrifice boon, it keeps all the poms you used on the first one. neat!

[karmic gust]

+40% speed chronos is BRUTAL

ive beaten him quite a few times so I thought it wouldnt be too bad but i got killed by his instakill attack lmao

[jovial cove]

yeah there's a learning curve to it

[karmic gust]

i was doing poseidon momus too so just skill issue ig 😔

[timber pawn]

I'd recommend just committing to leaving that vow on

[steel sequoia]

im getting used to 20%

[timber pawn]

And learn the game at the increased speed

[jovial cove]

rub some Coarse Grit in it you'll be fine

[karmic gust]

good idea

[steel sequoia]

ill learn 40 when new controller arrives, turn everything off and get used to it

[timber pawn]

If you want to climb fear anyway, otherwise just ignore me haha

[karmic gust]

oh which one did you order? ive been meaning to get a new one, my switch pro is drifting after 7 years of service

[karmic gust]

nah ur good im trying to get all the statues at least

[civic ocean]

Takes a while I only feel like I'm used to his ass now

[tall notch]

But like, if I am spamming omegas I'd rather throw out my attacks from range and play Persephone

[high dagger]

Should I be focusing on a few god blessings or should I just be going for a big mixture of different gods

like god blessing> upgrade or upgrade> god blessing

[civic ocean]

It's best to have an idea of what you want beforehand and to tailor your decisions around that, but if you don't know what everything does yet, boons and poms are roughly equivalent

[tall notch]

The game won't let you make a mixture of gods unless you force it with keepsakes, there's a mechanic where once you take boons from 3 different gods another one won't show up naturally

[civic ocean]

Hermes and Selene excluded of course

[tall notch]

But to answer your question, I'd suggest to take as many boons as you can to learn what you like and what works well when you are new

[jovial cove]

I'd say your main priorities are getting a good attack/special boon depending on what you use more, and then magic gain

[high dagger]

Ohhh okay I never really thought about my builds in hades I just picked randomly lol!

[tired fulcrum]

||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1242277747909197935/Hades_II_2024-05-20_17-46-15.mp4?ex=664d40cf&is=664bef4f&hm=c39516bc33b0fba245c9e5a1080060d001f7b2bfbf6f6bf3287df61cfca17f96&|| funeral pyre bug if anyone wants to try something funny

[high dagger]

But I ve been struggling

[civic ocean]

this is actually diagetic design! In Hades 1 Zagreus was trying to escape hell no matter what so it's more about resourcefulness and making the most of your situation.

Melinoe has been trained from birth to kill Chronos, so the more precise and specific your play and decisions are, the better you'll do!

[high dagger]

Oh okay ty for that advice :3

[tall notch]

WHAT THE HELL CHRONOS CAN 0VERLAP THE SUCC AND THE AOE WHERE YOU HAVE TO STAND IN A CIRCLE OR DIE

This fight keeps surprising me

[civic ocean]

yeah it's brutal

[jovial cove]

I've never seen that tbh

[tired fulcrum]

The succ move is just buggy

[civic ocean]

I don't think it's intended

[tall notch]

I've gotten nasty overlaps from him but this one is a first for me

I can't even be mad it was hilarious to see

[civic ocean]

Has anyone else had him spin around like crazy when doing the succ

[tired fulcrum]

Ive had him skip phase 2 part 1

[tall notch]

Oh yeah he did that one to me

[civic ocean]

nasty way to find out there's a hitbox at the front of the succ

[timber pawn]

That happened on haelians first chronos I think and just evaporated him lol

[civic ocean]

How many of us are Haelian watchers does he know about all of this tech

[tired fulcrum]

Someone should tell him about this

[timber pawn]

He knows some stuff, he was doing pan runs today

[civic ocean]

Like the Air Fryer or the Ananas Slammas

[spare kite]

????

[civic ocean]

yeah what exactly is happening here and is it replicable

[spare kite]

It happens if you phase him during the move iirc
Have fun if it was the last hp until phase 2

[tired fulcrum]

Rechanneling with funeral pyre for some reason makes it tick incredibly quickly

So funeral pyre + fire extinguish then channel dagger omega and dash a couple times and it does this

Seems to be replicable

[spare kite]

Ahhh the wonders of EA

[plain fossil]

thats the only part of the succ that can hit u

[mystic bison]

Finally https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1242283641669685378/image.png?ex=664d464c&is=664bf4cc&hm=9b501513b16630efe2f844ae8bba26765faa5d33fe403544dd4354c92b20b1a3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[plain fossil]

if u eat succ at range it doesnt actually hurt u its only if he drags u into the glowy at his feet

[civic ocean]

I wish I could post the different brain size memes with

"scorch is good"
"scorch sucks"
"scorch is good with air quality"
"scorch is good if you overflow Funeral Pyre and make it do 1500 dps"

[timber pawn]

yo what. lmao. I also hadn't considered dashing the aoes

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7CQC9bMYh4 I don't watch Haelian much but he's an Eos believer so I like him

[plain fossil]

if u have some strange fetish for dashing u can just spam dash away from him during the suck and not even move and u dont take damage

[civic ocean]

yeah that part I knew so like SND said I phased him during the move while hitting his back and then he turned into a beyblade and his feet glowy thing hit me like 4 times

[spare kite]

His thumbnails are still peak I see

[plain fossil]

lmao u got a recording of that? sounds amusing

[spare kite]

The other day I was about to phase him then managed to react before I got succ'd lmao

[civic ocean]

No but I start streaming again on Thursday so I can hopefully record some 32s and learn to make thumbnails like the one above

rn I'm staring at a blank indesign template trying to think of how to make a good looking guide for builds

[spare kite]

My fav hades thumbnail is still angel's 64h win

"great, you made Haelian cry"

[acoustic sphinx]

whoever says cerberus is easy try playing him with double speedup

you literally can't kite him in the final phase without cast if you don't have a sprint speed upgrade

[timber pawn]

you can just drop your cast behind you when he's chasing and he sort of trips on it. *I know you said without cast, which, fair

[acoustic sphinx]

yeah that's the one saving grace

[tired fulcrum]

If youre behind him you can just run around and he doesnt rotate fast enough

[acoustic sphinx]

sometimes you don't have time to get away from him with all the aoe's

[stoic ridge]

just tried a charon axe build and wow did it feel horrid

[acoustic sphinx]

I get smacked by the lingering aoe from his hand smack

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml#

I want to make this but in a landscape PDF I think, with boxes for Fear, Arcana, Gods, Keepsakes, Hammers, maybe important Boons?

[acoustic sphinx]

hits well behind him unless you got a ranged build

[tender flint]

best eos arcana card setup

[tall notch]

Antler or no antler?

[civic ocean]

if you're not able to drop a cast I think what you can try to do is dash through him on a cross-seam pattern from the hand he's using, and then sprint circling him in the same direction he's spinning, and then when he catches up again, you do it again. It's like insanely hard and I've never done it more than like twice in a row before I got hit

[acoustic sphinx]

I'll keep that in mind, thanks

[strange kite]

cerb enrage is pretty hard

u get the entire floor covered in aoes

[warped harness]

would cross seam be like a pretzel?

[jovial cove]

artemis stonks are rising

[raven ivy]

Do you have to take nova strike to get double attack chance?
(codex not openable in boon selection moment )

[warped harness]

no you dont

@raven ivy it will always be there, i think the only apollo boons that are locked behind anything are the daze boons for like, just his dash really

[versed fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/artemis-my-beloved-hades-2-gif-10386396608100205143

[blissful wren]

im gonna say it

aspect of MIDea

takes too long to load the shots

[civic ocean]

If you imagine a big circle coming out of his left paw, you want to dash behind him and to his right, and vice versa

[wary flicker]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/298464258688286721/1242296743693914262/Hades_II_2024-05-20_19-02-55.mp4?ex=664d5280&is=664c0100&hm=1cf5ef43df37229b8ef736c07f4842adf0e8f651d9be3eb1f1cd75bb1b7e27a9&

I am 5 ROOMS IN.

WHAT IS THIS

[civic ocean]

welcome to endgame hades2

[wary flicker]

This the most busted I've ever been XD

[lunar lance]

What if you get the full salvo hammer?

[wary flicker]

aaaaaaaaand I just got controlled burn. What is going on

[lunar lance]

Is it odd that I almost never feel like I want to use omega moves with the Flames?

I feel like spamming triangle is better than loading an omega special, and it takes time to load the omega attack

[blissful wren]

then its alright, but relying on a specific hammer isnt a good sign

[livid bone]

This is the first time I got Romantic Spark (Zeus/Aphro Duo). But even though the description says it's "+200%" Blitz damage, it actually does 200% of the base (i.e. double). Any thoughts on this?

I feel like this is inconsistent with how most of the other descriptions are written. Spiteful Strength, for example, has +200% and does +200% as expected.

[wary flicker]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/298464258688286721/1242297516389699644/image.png?ex=664d5338&is=664c01b8&hm=e14a9bb8dcdf2691ea4118ea5bdb216ba2edaafe20176aaac75884b544d9d5f6&

Nah. This has to be rigged

[blissful wren]

yea thats not good, report bug/feedback

[civic ocean]

It doesn't match what is written, to be sure

[tired fulcrum]

If you get toasting fork it also appears to add damage to romantic spark for some reason

[blissful wren]

must be registering it as not triggering thru normal means, should report that to

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah already did awhile ago

[livid bone]

Well then, I guess I'd find your feedback and give it a 👍 or something. No use reiterating it

[tired fulcrum]

Well i f10 bug reported it. Not in feedback

[wary flicker]

Good!

[livid bone]

Oh, yeah I couldn't find anything on that channel

[pale marten]

I just beat Erebus with Charon aspect on the axe and I have Apollo’s attack and special I also got the Daedalus upgrade but it was only the one that deals 35% of any armor. I am on 32 fear and would appreciate any tips or recommendations for the build!

[blissful wren]

You should F10 ur thing too

[livid bone]

Yeah, I'm doing that right now

[timber pawn]

honestly pray you get the special channel speed hammer. Look for Hermes special speed, maybe try chaos gates for channel speed

[tired fulcrum]

You want apollo cast into the zeus/apollo duo

[livid bone]

I was just checking here to see if I was the one misinterpreting the boon

[pale marten]

Do omega cast effects proc if you hit a normal cast with your charge special?

[spare kite]

Yeah

[tired fulcrum]

Yep

[blazing oriole]

about to go into the chronos fight, any advice for the 2nd phase? lowest I've gotten him is half hp and I dunno what to do against the one shot

[spare kite]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717361358081097748/1237962740073758791/SPOILER_image.png?ex=6648c2e5&is=66477165&hm=6373af8a440be4c2e3697ca4b06d318f1bbf4075fdcd9e65aaf3768b1766de96&
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717361358081097748/1237962883048931420/SPOILER_image.png?ex=6648c307&is=66477187&hm=34baa10fc6f67999ab59eaf95f6cc2ebd9de352fd703248636afdca1c4cf4c38&

[livid bone]

Also, there's one more thing. I've asked this here before, but didn't get any response, so I guess I'll ask again. I've noticed that the Apollo Legendary doesn't double the projectiles from the Persephone skull Omega Special. Do you guys think it's intentional or is it a bug? Of course with other stuff like the Staff/Axe/knives you just get two omega attacks/specials one after the other, but here it does nothing other than increase the magick cost

[blazing oriole]

OH.

ty 🙏

[spare kite]

It feels like a bug tbh?

I also noticed that

[tender flint]

either dont care

[blazing plinth]

any combat tips for the torches? every run i have with them is agony =[

[livid bone]

Use the Eos aspect and try to get a lot of orbs behind the enemy and then dash away

[spare kite]

@tall notch introduce them to the cult of eos

[livid bone]

Also try to go for ways to increase attack speed like Swift strike and midnight oil

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242302295505371207/image.png?ex=664d57ac&is=664c062c&hm=cdeceeeda821f4eb1650dc7d8885c93d560374a4184001d0649a97f8a37fc23e& this is a solid general purpose setup

[blazing plinth]

Eris moment D=

[tall notch]

Try starting with Hera on the Eos aspect and getting born gain room 1. Having access to easy mana makes the aspect easier to pick up and get used to

[livid bone]

You can also try to get Hera's Born Gain to be able to hold down the attack button and spam those 50 base omega attacks pretty much non stop

And use dashes as movement

[tall notch]

In combats, remember that you can dash and cast during the attack channel

[livid bone]

Got sniped there

[tall notch]

Casts are particularly important for creating space

[livid bone]

Split fire is the best hammer for this I believe

[blazing plinth]

ive only ever used zues's cast since its like a blender but ill try that out

[tall notch]

If you're feeling spicy, start with passion dash and dash into the enemies pretty much on cooldown. Then build into heartrob and Apollo's duo with Aphrodite for more single target damage

[livid bone]

Poseidon's cast goes great with Born Gain since it's also very spammable and puses enemies away

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M91FJmPktw this is a bit of a self-plug, but take a look at this if you want to see how Eos plays

[livid bone]

And Poseidon also works on the Attack/Special due to the flat damage increase

[tall notch]

It's very careful and safe gameplay, no speedrunning

[blissful wren]

no sorceress?

[tall notch]

Torches attack channel doesn't slow down time so no reason to take it

And with Eos you're not spending mana on omega specials or omega casts

[tired fulcrum]

The big funny is heart throb build plus apollo legendary or weed killer so you spam heart throbs even faster

[blissful wren]

yea its sucks that omega special is so much worse than regular in many cases

[tall notch]

Omega special spam is solid on Melinoë's aspect but Eos is a completely attack-focused one

[blissful wren]

Which flourish is best in that build?

[plain fossil]

Torch omega special does a LOT more damage than regular special the only way regular special can really compete is with the +50 damage hammer

Which obviously has its own issues

[blissful wren]

Ive had a great run with Frost Flourish, smithing sprint and the demeter hephestus duo

theyd take dmg then re-freeze instantly so it had great uptime

[steel sequoia]

torches aint suppose to be special spam i believe

[tired fulcrum]

Prob aphro cuz its within range and also you get heartthrobs

[plain fossil]

In any case this is an eos discussion and as long as u remember u can dash and cast during the eos channel u will pick it up pretty quickly

[livid bone]

Okay, so looks like the Romantic Spark "+200%" bonus Blitz is actually just coded as a multiplicative x200% Blitz damage, and is actually more beneficial if you have more than 50% damage bonus from other sources (origination, etc)

[tall notch]

I guess it's a Melinoë aspect discussion now, Eos gamers just keep taking one L after another 😔

[plain fossil]

Hey man mel torches are really fun even if theyre kinda omegalul

[tall notch]

I tried the PINK AURA earlier today, it was hilarious to play

[spare kite]

Remind me why people don't play moros again

[plain fossil]

I find pink blob gaming u take too much damage, im a demeter fan myself

[plain fossil]

One sec i will quote myself

[timber pawn]

I think the moros projectiles are kind of busted in a bad way

[blissful wren]

glad ur liking it but i would rather use literally any other aspect

[tall notch]

The ghosts are hella buggy

[blissful wren]

including persephone

[plain fossil]

This is my opinion as to why moros torches suck

[spare kite]

I don't even remember what's the moros's gimmick

[ionic moon]

moros attack orbs seem to have messed up collision detection

[timber pawn]

I just tried 2 persephone runs focusing on omega attack and they were...not great. My 2nd one was much better though. Hera attack and special, born gain, and heartthrob.

[tall notch]

The ghosts from attack linger similar to Eos, except you trigger them by sending a special into them

[mint nexus]

What’s the best build to try a run with the torches?

[tired fulcrum]

Your attacks stick around and you can explode em with special

[spare kite]

That sounds weird

[tired fulcrum]

Its super weird that the attacks collide with each other and its kinda hard to use in larger rooms

[plain fossil]

Yea they cant overlap

[timber pawn]

I found an 'effective' way to do it is always have an omega special up, and then use attack, and treat it like melee

[tall notch]

@civic ocean you've got to make an Eos guide, it'll be the most popular one ever with how often people are asking how to make torches work

[blissful wren]

that one can be pretty fun by making a minefield

[ionic moon]

they end up miles away from what you're trying to attack

[plain fossil]

And the projectile cap makes u want to uninstall

[timber pawn]

thats a great point

[tall notch]

I'd make one myself if not for the fact that I'm too lazy to write 🤭

[ionic moon]

they just keep going like eos but eos summons them back

[plain fossil]

Na moros torches are worse than every other aspect by a pretty big margin imo

Mel axe is also not very good i got no idea how to make that weapon function other than turn fear down

[summer seal]

What's a good boon combo for Aspect of Melinoe skulls?

[blissful wren]

i meant in terms of fun for me

[blissful wren]

i love the axe, beat chronos on 32 fear first try with charon axe

[distant ocean]

Eos videos are free real estate, since they're I think still the worst weapon, just to showcase that worst does not mean bad or unusable, but many people do believe that they're the worst and unusable

[plain fossil]

Yea thats because charon axe doesnt suck unlike mel axe lul

[blissful wren]

oh i didnt see u say mel

havent tried it yet bcz the other 2 are so good i never levled it

[tired fulcrum]

Charon axe 32 was just nuking everything on screen while mel axe 32 was me crutching on coarse grit face tanking chronos

[tall notch]

Eos torches unironically are in top5 of weapon aspects

[plain fossil]

Does coarse grit facetanking count as a run

[tired fulcrum]

Prob not

[plain fossil]

I suppose if momus runs count then coarse grit counts

[distant ocean]

by which metric though 🙂

[timber pawn]

idk man clear is a clear, but I guess there's a difference between brute forcing a win and working with the weapon aspect

[tall notch]

Fear pushing. They have AoE, they have single target burst, they are one of the safest weapons to play

[plain fossil]

I would struggle to name 5 aspects obviously better than eos?

Momus and pan obviously but what else? Artemis maybe? Medea?

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1241912139069788241/Screenshot_179.png?ex=664d3dcf&is=664bec4f&hm=eaaa22c1a068754650c7a0390f159613569c4f50608cdcf512d2712759ee1bea& fo2 mel axe is not fun

[distant ocean]

Herm, you know what, I just thought about how many good weapons we have and you might be right

[zenith bolt]

barebones eos guide

how to play: hold omega attack on things, dash in the same direction you're attacking to pull spirits into enemies. you can cast while omega attacking, btw

good gains: hera, poseidon, kinda hephaestus (these ones actually work)
bad gains: any magick per second (attack is channeling - these dont work)

good attacks: really anything with a decent %. demeter exception because weed killer (NEED magick cost reduction from chaos OR good born gain, else you will lose all your magick immediately)

good hammers: +damage -speed on omega, +damage +speed on omega, -cost on omega, splitting shots (acquired taste)
bad hammers: +a lot of damage single shot omega (very weird), anything that affects special except the armor damage one

[blissful wren]

are we all in agreement that momus is #1, that thing melts everything

[timber pawn]

momus, pan, maybe artemis?, mel skull? lol

[distant ocean]

fair enough lol, every part of me wanted to say axe but like.

eh..

[tall notch]

Artemis with that +400% dmg omega hammer is prooooooooobably better, that thing is insane

[timber pawn]

chunks for like 1.5k boonless lol

[plain fossil]

Charon axe isnt obviously better than eos for me its not as safe imo

Its defensible to have the opinion tho i think

[distant ocean]

maybe~ I think mel torches are better unironically and I'm not trying to be a contrarian I just think the output on the specials is worth more than the fluidity of attack builds

[mint nexus]

Mel axe is better than its aspects imo

[distant ocean]

but eos does feel good lol

[plain fossil]

Woo boy i play a lot of mel torches and even i wouldnt say that

[tall notch]

Eos is also one of the best aspects to deal with revenants, you can pick most of them up while doing your full attack damage

[distant ocean]

aye aye really?

[civic ocean]

haven't played Eos

I'm halfway through doing the Momus doc in Indesign, since I think the google sheets thing looks kinda hideous with no pictures

[stoic ridge]

hera on special and zeus on attack for moros torches is my favorite torch build, blitz procs constantly

[distant ocean]

torch specials shred and have a stronger start imo

the lack of a stagger is holding it back alot for sure but

[plain fossil]

Well both eos and mel torches are mobile damage dealers but eos torches have a small stagger and better range for kiting

[uncut ginkgo]

Does anyone know if double boon rooms still can't give duo boons?

[timber pawn]

That still seems to be the case ya

[plain fossil]

I find mel torches is really reliant on demeter in a way that eos isnt

[civic ocean]

I have never been offered one

[distant ocean]

yes, but control can be established with good casts

The fluidity is definitely not as great, specials should have stagger lol

[uncut ginkgo]

Damn, i just wasted a bunch of rerolls on it :9

[zenith bolt]

anecdotally i havent seen one

[plain fossil]

I mean ur allowed to use good casts on eos as well right

[civic ocean]

If specials could stagger mel torches would be hilariously broken I think

[timber pawn]

I just don't like aiming the specials with mel torches. I only do the omega special buzzsaw

[distant ocean]

but I would go with damage most of the time cuz it decides start to finish

[ionic lily]

I think eos is the more consistent aspect compared to mel

[plain fossil]

Ye ur probably right, the damage is very high

[ionic lily]

mel probably has the higher ceiling, but eos is much more consistent and safer

[distant ocean]

I can always play around not being able to stagger, I can't outplay lower damage

[zenith bolt]

casts that work on eos: modifiers to regular cast (e.g. smolder ring, gale force, etc.)

casts that don't work (or dont work well) on eos: anything that lets you target cast (you drop omega attack), anything that affects only omega cast (you can't channel twice, lol)

[tall notch]

Consistency is very much Eos' thing, at reasonable fear levels you can play Eos with pretty much any gods and get through a run

[distant ocean]

but it's mostly on bosses where it becomes apparent anyways

[plain fossil]

I think this is a timer thing again, most of my high fear runs i do on 9 minute timer now so im under much less dps pressure than a lot of u

And i value control more cos i have to turn dumb stuff on that u dont

[distant ocean]

maybe! ^^

[civic ocean]

Yeah thats for sure diff I don't think I could do mel torches in 9 I'd die

[feral ether]

who are the best and worst gods for boons?

[distant ocean]

when you play white antler, mel torch specials kinda just murder everything next to ya.

[zenith bolt]

poseidon and uhh idk hestia maybe

[civic ocean]

Me I'm the best for boons and Do Od is the worst he gives you the same boon every time

[feral ether]

best or worst

[zenith bolt]

best and worst respectively

[plain fossil]

I should try this more i just faceplant too much playing white antler lmao

[civic ocean]

an Antler

[feral ether]

you're the best god?

[civic ocean]

Yes I give the most boons

[distant ocean]

Lol I've got horrible boons for sure

[tall notch]

Eos kinda slaps with antler too, the safety it provides pairs well with the playstyle

[plain fossil]

Its pretty aspect dependent, best vs worst, but i think the gods im most likely to roll over before i have exact setup nailed down are probably zeus and hestia unless im playing a cast build

And the god im most likely to snap click regardless of build is hera

[civic ocean]

Goofing aside it's sort of like asking what the best mechanic's tool is. They all offer different things and Hades II gives you incredible control over your god pool so you can pre-build almost anything

[distant ocean]

you should, when you're ready, it's fun, I take breaks from it now cuz playing with 1 half a heart is always a bit stressful

[plain fossil]

But its so so so aspect dependent that i think following this advice without thinking probably makes u worse at hades

[wary flicker]

In my opinion, I feel all of them are are good. It just depends on the weapon I'm using

Which is nice

[tall notch]

Hera and Poseidon stand out as the strongest general purpose gods and the rest is honestly close to each other in power level? Each has something you'd want

[wary flicker]

For daggers I want hestia or aphro, but for my axe I want apollo asap 🤣

[distant ocean]

posiedon, hera, and heph are S tier, everything else is just pretending.

[timber pawn]

Heph is so insanely good for high heat

[wary flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-hahaha-gif-22505124

[distant ocean]

Hephpilled

[tall notch]

Heph is so weird because in low heat I'll skip him 99% of the time but for high heat I consider him mandatory

[civic ocean]

I think around 32 is where you can get away with not crutching Heph still ye

[versed fulcrum]

Heph sprint is broken

[distant ocean]

when you no longer have a death defiance and lovers from arcana vow heph will be the one to give you hope.

[versed fulcrum]

Heph sprint + Heph cast + vent on Heph attacks

[wary flicker]

really? I think his boons are super good as a nice side dish to any build
Like if I am going all attack on my daggers, having him as a mini nuke on my dagger is a nice bonus

[split igloo]

Is Chronos supposed to be able to absorb my projectiles while doing his vacuum move without taking any damage?

[distant ocean]

totally lol

[zenith bolt]

i think the vacuum cleaner has some level of projectile deletion

[distant ocean]

even in defensive low heat builds most people would probably be better off going for hestia or posiedon health

[tall notch]

It's his support stuff that stands out to me. Armor is the best way of handling multiple of the more difficult vows and mint condition is neat for nuking things down

[upbeat crypt]

Anyone know what the max Grasp is?

[zenith bolt]

30

[wary flicker]

30

[versed fulcrum]

Does anyone feel the spinning attack near Chronos as he does the vacuum has too large of a hitbox?

[timber pawn]

Ya same, trusty shield enables like a 'free' 5? Fear? Or is it 3. Idk the 'first hit' vow

[tall notch]

It's 2 fear per rank. And armor also enables you to play with less healing

[distant ocean]

i think it's 5 2 for 100 3 for 300

[versed fulcrum]

I get hit from it a lot when I think Im out of range

[zenith bolt]

no, not really. i have bigger gripes with his turn speed on +40% speed but thats kinda the hole i dug myself into

[wary flicker]

I can't wait to see someone do high heat with the axe

[distant ocean]

idr

[versed fulcrum]

ah

[split igloo]

I feel like its annoying when I take that vacuum damage while being right behind him, like the hitbox extends where it realistically shouldn't

[civic ocean]

Is 43 still the axe record

[versed fulcrum]

yeah that too, it's strange

[zenith bolt]

49 fear spirit surge runs when

[plain fossil]

i feel like u could do more than 43 charon axe on surface maybe? idk i get my ass kicked with momus even on 43 heat lmao

[zenith bolt]

three hour long run waiting for chronos to die for 40 minutes of it

[civic ocean]

Now that we know about the dash dunk (or the Ananas Slammas as I like to call it) Charon can probably go pretty high yes

[distant ocean]

Lol, high fear runs would be alot cooler if maxing it didn't enforce a timer, as much as I like the timer

[timber pawn]

There's a charon 45 up on the vercel site, they get special charge hammer room 1 and uh, then they win lol

[zenith bolt]

timer is chill until the game gets spicy

[civic ocean]

damn ppl do be pushin

[distant ocean]

that can't be real, because I know for a fact that room 1 hammer doesn't exist

[zenith bolt]

room 1 hammer does exist though

[distant ocean]

lies

[tall notch]

the game can give other things than selene room 1?

[timber pawn]

I get up and leave the room whenever this happens at 32+ lol

[civic ocean]

gotta keep relaunching the game till you get the right moon phase

[zenith bolt]

open hades 2
start run
selene
close hades 2

[ionic lily]

every single time I try for 32 fear runs

[distant ocean]

the inevitable selene buffs should be interesting at least

[zenith bolt]

i need a thread specifically for complaining about selene start and hexes being bad

[civic ocean]

Is anybody going for stuff like winstreaking or volume challenges at 32 yet? I think that's where I'd like to go

[wary flicker]

Hexes being bad?

[civic ocean]

Like rotating weps go for like X 32 Chronos + Surface runs in a month or smth

[zenith bolt]

i am severely underwhelmed by every hex except for moon water

path of stars is a decently large commitment to make them semi-usable

[wary flicker]

I'd say a couple need some buffs and all, but them being underwhelming? They are all super useful support attacks that add onto a build

[zenith bolt]

like most of the time i'd rather just ignore them or only use the "while you hex isn't ready" effects

[tall notch]

The ress is nice but if you get it room 1 you'll probably lose to the timer before you get enough mana to use it

[zenith bolt]

big shoutout to dark side for being the bottom of the barrel

[distant ocean]

it'd be fun to see how fast we could clear any heat with every weapon

heat is lame anyways

[civic ocean]

I want to see the 32 heat 11 weapon speedrun

[timber pawn]

I technically have a two winstreak at 32 lol

[civic ocean]

beast

[zenith bolt]

i wonder what they'll cook for hidden aspects

[wary flicker]

Summoning a foe to help fight, a nuclear airstrike, turning dangerous foes into helpless sheep, healing, all of them outside of dark side are useful

[timber pawn]

One of them is momus so that's why I said technically lol

[zenith bolt]

maybe they'll make me actually like skull

[tall notch]

The skull better be Dusa

[wary flicker]

You...don't like skull?

[timber pawn]

Wait that'd be amazing

[distant ocean]

imiss dusa

and her anxious mannerisms

[timber pawn]

I agree, no one is quite as charming

[wary flicker]

the potential of a 90 damage AOE per shot without any boon buffs is far too much damage for me to ignore

[zenith bolt]

mel aspect idk
medea in oceanus makes me want to harm people
persephone's gimmick is weird and requires losing part of your kit to make effective use of

[wary flicker]

and the attack speed is nice as well

[timber pawn]

I tried an omega attack persephone build and it was pretty unpleasant.

[distant ocean]

20 armored spindles want to know your location.

[wary flicker]

Mel aspect is the only way to use the skull and I will die on that hill XD

[tall notch]

My favourite thing to do on skull is a Zeus cast build which is quite telling

[zenith bolt]

pov: trying to harm one of the boulder dudes in mourning fields with medea without taking damage

[civic ocean]

I think Persephone is soooooo strong with Storm Ring

[distant ocean]

lololol

[zenith bolt]

the statstick method

[timber pawn]

Hey a build is a build lol

[distant ocean]

sitting around waiting for them pops oi, the charge could really use some iframes eh, even if it was just on medea's special

[tall notch]

I do use glory special to pick up revenants though!

[civic ocean]

Persephone is like built for AQ Scorch IMO it's like sooooooo good on that aspect

[zenith bolt]

aq scorch persephone, for when both your weapon and your god need that extra strength copium

[civic ocean]

You just drop the glory special on the boss and stack like 400 scorch on them during their hardest phase when you're immune for like 6 seconds

[timber pawn]

I need to try this. I still haven't. How do you route this? Like what boons are you taking?

[tall notch]

You can build aq scorch on Eos! 😉

[zenith bolt]

i guess one funny thing medea has is that you can insta proc blitz with zeus special

2 bad the oceanus experience for medea is miserable

[tall notch]

Medea seems like a speedrun weapon. You don't care about tanking every other hit if you can survive those hits

[zenith bolt]

coarse grit medea meta

[timber pawn]

Ya there's already a sub 7 medea run so, that tracks

[civic ocean]

On persephone you just take like every zeus boon you can because the cast is insane, and then keep an eye out for winds - Hermes, Chaos, Artemis, drops in Ephyra, Narcissus, etc. Take Apollo, Hestia, or Aph if you see them on the path, and for Apo and Aph you exclusively take Wind boons while saving attack+special for scorch

It's usually online by Sirens, Cerb at the latest if you don't manip for Zeus

[plain fossil]

Coarse grit the real op run carrier LUL

[bleak night]

There are speedruns on it already, sub 8 usually

[tall notch]

Actually you might be onto something. The high fear Medea gaming I saw started with Demeter cast

They can't hit you if they're frozen

[timber pawn]

It hits heph as well. So ya its just strong enough that you mainly pick up survivability boons it seems like

[civic ocean]

Some weapons you start Aph instead of Zeus, like Mel Staff or Eos

[timber pawn]

Sweet thanks for the run down

[stoic ridge]

im really starting to come around to blitz, i came up with 2 builds today that proc it multiple times a second

[civic ocean]

In theory if you boosted the damage that Omega special torches did to the Blitz burst range, wouldn't that hurt a lot

You'd need a tooooon of boost though

Like 250% to get every 2nd hit to pop blitz if it activates at 100

[zenith bolt]

spiteful strength should activate for attack/special boons that don't give a damage boost to the actual attack (poseidon excluded, obviously)

this post brought to you by the hephaestus agenda

[tired fulcrum]

Well blitz still has a hard cap since it doesnt proc/do damage instantly

[zenith bolt]

i wish the heph/hestia duo was just part of the base heph attack functionality

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah its weird to try to build into

[timber pawn]

What does it do?

[tired fulcrum]

Shackle 2.0

[zenith bolt]

Chain Reaction - when you activate your blast effects of hephaestus shortly after they come off cooldown, they activate twice

[tall notch]

That's heph and hera i think

[tired fulcrum]

Wait hestia not hera im dum

[zenith bolt]

shackle 2 is heph/hera

[civic ocean]

how hard is it to get the heph attack to 1 second

[tired fulcrum]

You cant

[civic ocean]

what's shortest

[stoic ridge]

hard capped at 2 seconds

[zenith bolt]

probably needs heroic, lowest ive gotten it is uhh 4? i think

[tired fulcrum]

2 yeah

[civic ocean]

I feel like that is kinda insane with the hestia duo right

[stoic ridge]

even then it still does not so gread dps

[tired fulcrum]

Thats only 200 dps

[stoic ridge]

not really, its still not amazing compared to other builds

[zenith bolt]

2s for attack at 200 damage is 100 dps unboosted. maybe heph blasts are affected by origination and other stuff tho

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah they are

Idk why they made vent get refreshed by blast

[tall notch]

Antler makes them crit too I think

[tired fulcrum]

Also yeah

[civic ocean]

does it count the freezeframe that happens when it goes off

[zenith bolt]

heph/hestia have some pretty easy curses to activate so origination wouldnt be too bad for them

vent would be perma active though it wouldnt do damage ever

that too-why does vent not just do the damage when it gets re-applied? wtf sgg

[timber pawn]

Heph/hera duo honestly feels like it could be slow timer high heat strat

[zenith bolt]

would be a nice buff to heph if they made vent not counterintuitive and messy

bc you lose dps dropping to 4s from 5s because vent damage never happens

[sour cape]

Does having armor/Demeter boon kinda negate Vow of Suffering?

[zenith bolt]

demeter's winter coat no, but armor yes

[sour cape]

Oh

[zenith bolt]

if you actually take damage, then it goes away

[sour cape]

Hephaestus value

[timber pawn]

Yup

[zenith bolt]

trusty shield goated as usual

[sour cape]

Reroll for trusty shield? 😂

[sage kraken]

Guys I haven't unlocked any aspect yet but has beaten Chronos. Am I correct to feel like the only god that matters is Poesidon and Aphrodite?

Maybe Zeus for cast but everything else feels weak

[tall notch]

Every god has something strong in its boon pool

[sour cape]

Nah Apollo also is good

Only god which feels kinda weak is Hestia

[stoic ridge]

apollo attacks and specials are not really worth it

[sage kraken]

oh yea Apollo cast is decent I forgot to mention him. But just like Zeus the attack and special one is nothing much

[stoic ridge]

zeus' blitz is actually really good if you can apply it quickly

just did a run on aspect of moros with zeus on attack and hera on special

[ionic lily]

apollo atk has use on axe for safety, the range increase is really good

[zenith bolt]

ok made a feedback bc vent got me mad

[stoic ridge]

thats up to preference, aphro attack on axe will always do more damage

[ionic lily]

aphro is an alternative, I was just responding with a use case where apollo attack is actually good

because you're right in that its pretty weak for almost anything else

[stoic ridge]

daze should be on apollo attack by default and be 100% application

[urban citrus]

Hestia can also make the current final boss on the surface a cake walk, so even she has a place where she's really good

[zenith bolt]

cant wait till they nerf soot sprint on eris bc it completely no-sells her fight

[stoic ridge]

The fire in the eris fight is what makes her hard

[timber pawn]

You think they will? I feel like they might leave it

[tall notch]

Resisting the temptation to smooch Eris when she calls Melinoë "babe" is the hardest part of the fight

[timber pawn]

Truly

[zenith bolt]

code red, the down bad has breached into builds channel

[tall notch]

Eris is running the Aphrodite legendary, can't help it

[zenith bolt]

that only works when there's 3+ enemies

[tall notch]

Yeah and how many of us are here in the channel?

[zenith bolt]

theres only 1 melinoë

[tall notch]

She really should learn that trick from Hecate to copy herself

That would be a cool hex

Mirror images that repeat what you do, deal some of your damage and draw aggro

[timber pawn]

Ya thats why you want 3 of them

Honestly though that would be interesting as a hex, summoning some like 'scarecrows' to pull aggro on mobs

[zenith bolt]

EM hecate gonna have triple triple divide (there are nine of her (there is no escape))

[tall notch]

Pulling aggro alone is probably too weak, let them deal damage too

[tall notch]

Triple divide squared

[plain fossil]

Man idk if i can deal with mob ai randomly wrecking me because it targets a clone lul... i alrdy raged couple days ago because i took 100+ damage from cerberus when frinos stood in the slow fireballs and made them explode early

Oh good im not the only one that gets automodded around here

[timber pawn]

Oooh THATS why that happens. Now with no swearing lol

[bleak night]

I think this might be it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242322952259899402/Queens_ransom.mp4?ex=664d6ae9&is=664c1969&hm=0cb2ec6de2f3b7f55b512fdfcdca345fa6cb903f5db16fce8679e75572343373&

I got Queen's Ransom, a good amount of HP, an extra death defiance and Coarse Grit activated

no dice, sad

[calm maple]

https://youtu.be/fGXm2YLDOt0

Some stuff I've noticed about animations in this game

[bleak night]

oooh, I've been doing this for a while myself, it's fun

glad you also found it

[calm maple]

especially useful on the axe

[bleak night]

You can store the windup of the first swing by cancelling it with a dash

@distant ocean The windmill vacuum thing Chronos does ignores the damage return and still cuts through Coarse Grit, so I kinda need more HP and more damage return if anything

He was maybe 33% hp on 2nd phase, couldn't afk kill, sadly

[calm maple]

it's currently bugged for me, but I have noticed something like that w/ specials

[bleak night]

If you spam special, you're somehow able to do it

You can also re-aim the big chop and the Shield Blast if you hold the button and input a dash, which is fun

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240951608578408479/patch_axe_combo_dash.mp4?ex=6649167f&is=6647c4ff&hm=9c3cceefae580acebe1285b1d9287c0d79cf8522c3f3a577d087725f3f16e081

Also been making sure to get my dash-shield strikes down since they extend the invincibility frames into your dash attack https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240952886951673856/practice.mp4?ex=664917b0&is=6647c630&hm=cea4717c901606ee283d20198431214be0c6c61581af3099bd88243690498de9

[civic ocean]

Did you see the ananas slammas

[bleak night]

link ?

[ionic lily]

maybe splash in heph for the armour boon that makes you immovable?

[timber pawn]

Rip, thanks for recording the attempt

[civic ocean]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[bleak night]

he'll break through it in phase 1 anyway is all

[ionic lily]

I'm pretty sure the immovable aspect is in effect even with no armour

[bleak night]

Ah, yeah I've been practicing it a bit yesterday

[bleak night]

I'll have to get luck with it and put Heph on as 4th god

[ionic lily]

yeah thats the rough part

[bleak night]

I lost with my base 3 dds + hermes dd and Tooth, so my issue is that he just has some attacks that ignore reflect

I might have to luck into more HP or find a Chaos dd

[timber pawn]

I have found one chaos dd in 75 hrs

[bleak night]

all in all, I didn't think I'd take this long trying to get an afk kill, but I'm having fun trying and trying again

[calm maple]

relevant timestamp for some other stuff you can do: https://youtu.be/fGXm2YLDOt0?si=2IatebzqORkVl-B2&t=279

[zenith bolt]

im still missing chaos dd and barren curse

[timber pawn]

I got both today, my condolences

[zenith bolt]

barren curse seems extraordinarily rare

[civic ocean]

It's crazy how technically advanced the axe is compared to the other weps

[zenith bolt]

i have to have visited chaos a good 100+ times now

[tired fulcrum]

axe moment

[bleak night]

That part with cancelling the dash attack into cast is neat, though I usually try to charge or do a no-windup attack after, so it might have applications. I'll see though, I'll try it on 40

[zenith bolt]

axe users writing a thesis on how to use their weapon and staff players giving themselves carpal tunnel syndrome

[civic ocean]

Reminds me of Brawl Link

[mystic bison]

I got Chaos DD only once and thankfully I didn't die at all that run so it looks cool on the victory screen

[bleak night]

All in all, with Axe, I only find applications for the labbing in Erebus and maybe Oceanus, then I find that going monkey oonga-boonga in Fields and Tartarus is better

should I go for magical attempt 25 on trying to get a Luigi kill ?

[civic ocean]

Link had like 10+ advanced weird tech you could do and he was the 4th worst character in the game XD

[bleak night]

ngl I'm kinda just playing for rng at this point

[civic ocean]

so how much dmg per hit was that doing with coarse grit

[bleak night]

if I moved around, I'd have definitely killed him with damage return, but I needed to drop the controller

[bleak night]

It was doing maybe 450 on him

[tall notch]

Are you doing artificer for the extra resources too?

[bleak night]

Yeah, I am

[civic ocean]

If you did this the other way around would you in theory end up doing more with Divine Vengeance and Double Strike

[calm maple]

As an ult Lucas main, I can relate

[bleak night]

you think I should do Zeus revenge instead of Hera ?

[timber pawn]

Can you artificer into a hammer?

[bleak night]

interesting

[bleak night]

idts, could be wrong tho

[civic ocean]

yes you can

[orchid fog]

Is there any way to keep track of your Glory charges when using Persephone Skull?

Cuz I just feel like I have to "assume" I've built up extra special dash

[timber pawn]

There's a gauge near your death defiances. Same place as aspect of Artemis daggers

[orchid fog]

oooooh

That's... good to know lol. Still a very difficult aspect though.

[timber pawn]

The gauge gain is very slow for what it's worth

Ya

[merry flint]

crazy how i'm in oceanus and i only have 2 god boons

[civic ocean]

doesn't divine vengeance get like really really crazy with poms and rarity

[bleak night]

maybe I should try that approach and do King's Ransom instead once, but I'll have to ensure I have enough Earth Boons from elsewhere for Coarse Grit...

[orchid fog]

Aspects in this game aren't particularly fun imo. They generally lack new mechanics and just give hard stat changes. I hope eventually aspects give new moves like they were unique daedelus hammers akin to the first Hades.

[civic ocean]

Yeah idk

[bleak night]

do I just bet it all on Dodge + Apollo Daze lol

one of the main things that eats my health up is when the Chronos banners come out and give him blue hearts

so he ends up just absorbing some of the damage reflects

[zenith bolt]

i think most of the aspects are a meaningful change in gameplay/have their own niche

it's decently clear for each aspect what the intended playstyle looks like

except momus. idk what they were thinking there

[civic ocean]

I'm thinking about like Stygius - nothing about any of its first 3 aspects changed the moveset right

[calm maple]

it LOOKS like I'm going dash-attack into cast, but it's actually the other way around

[bleak night]

what's the input order ?

[calm maple]

special > dash > cast > attack

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah also zag sword did like nothing

[zenith bolt]

wasnt zag sword like, a walk speed buff or smth lol

[bleak night]

oh, right, you can input anything between the dash and the actual dash attack

[tired fulcrum]

Main issue imo is that the current aspects mostly end up being spam one attack to win

Like momus

[zenith bolt]

tbf momus does buff both specials, it just buffs one way more

i think distinct playstyle is more important for the aspects than necessarily being super complex in their own

[civic ocean]

Eos doesn't click special at all, right, and Mel Torch never clicks attack pretty much at all

[zenith bolt]

eos never clicks special bc you want to always be using omega attack

[civic ocean]

and Moros combines them both

[calm maple]

particularly effective if you have Hephaestus special, Aphro dash, and a DoT cast like Demeter, as well as some kind of attack boon

[tired fulcrum]

Like in general there isnt much of a reason to use both versions of an attack or both your attack and special. Doesnt help that hammers usually only buff one part

[zenith bolt]

hammers are their own can of issues

too many bad hammers and too much specificity in hammers i feel

[timber pawn]

Per weapon aspect feels like 1-2 hammers I want to see and 8 I don't lol

[civic ocean]

It kind of depends on what they wanna do with the game's design, because it's kind of hazy how much of constructed vs draft they want this game's in-run progression to be

[plain fossil]

yea but the 2 hammers u want to see are often so op that u want to click hammer anyway lul

[zenith bolt]

to counterpoint, aspects do exist that combine both attack and special (e.g. medea, moros)

[civic ocean]

also there are way more attacks compared to hades 1 right

[tired fulcrum]

But you also use less of them

[civic ocean]

So they have to cover more ground with the aspects

[ionic lily]

there are aspects that let you build differently if you want, like than axe and persephone skull

[shy summit]

i often feel like the game is just yelling at you to specialize in attack or special for builds

[calm maple]

Hades 1 didn't really incentivize using anything but dash-strike though

[zenith bolt]

adding 2 attacks + potential cast interactions is quite a bit

[tired fulcrum]

Like in hades 1 you used both attack and special on quite a few aspects

[bleak night]

A lot of neat applications on it. I'm doing Special -> Attack (cancelled by Dash for storing windup) -> Dash -> Cast -> Dash Attack -> No Windup Swing 1 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242331304457142302/practice3.mp4?ex=664d72b0&is=664c2130&hm=998e82419e8ae8cb65ee982702bbab26f4262128c2ad89ae3e78e9851f0b0398&

[tender flint]

thx

[zenith bolt]

ultimately i feel that attack variety isn't that important of an issue on an intra-aspect design level

[bleak night]

If you input an attack before the dash, you'll always have the opportunity to store windup so you can combo the swing 1 into anything with no startup

[shy summit]

do you think this is intended tech

[civic ocean]

It sure doesn't look like it

[zenith bolt]

making the aspects unique and fun with what they focus on is more important--momus is boring as hell, but eos is quite unique and fun (imo), despite both basically just holding/mashing 1 button

[tired fulcrum]

Like on sword your best damage rotation was double dash strike into special. Demeter fists charged up a big special and with rail youd special between reloads. Rama and charon used either attack or special to mark targets, and zeus shield you combined bullrush and frisbee a lot

[bleak night]

Probably not, I don't think devs want to break their wrists discovering tech on a slow weapon

[civic ocean]

Remember that this weirdo is playing on a left joycon and mouse

[bleak night]

...

[zenith bolt]

maybe we're the weirdos...

tbh how is joystick + mouse not more common

[shy summit]

the combos were linear, but there was some built-in variety there yeah

[civic ocean]

As long as this doesn't turn into NES tetris and we all start fondling the backs of our controllers I'm good

[calm maple]

I noticed that yesterday with aborting the swing with special; it also stored the no-windup swing, but I can't get it anymore; talked about it in #h2-tech-support and supposedly you ARE supposed to be able to bail out of the attack w/ special

[shy summit]

one handed controllers are inaccessible compared to the keyboard+mouse everyone already has

[honest lodge]

wonder if anyone is playing this game with a hit stick lol

[bleak night]

this, right? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238144125207842887/Axe_absorb_animation.mp4?ex=663e3713&is=663ce593&hm=fb8e37c7ffd449b2b9964d5fe6b316d30c0c8aebab9a84cbee123713821d7253

[calm maple]

some of it certainly is; you're supposed to be able to bail out of the axe swing at startup. As for storing the no-windup swing, who knows?

[zenith bolt]

i suppose

[forest veldt]

been working on this, still need to do axe and skulls. interested to hear thoughts. currently doesn't include hammers or boons w/ unique interactions since would be a lot to implement. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v7sjmXin-LzZ_HySN8hfQZc_ey2AKCs06YdWGN-zimU/edit#gid=1059345147

[calm maple]

aye, that's the one. I actually found that I could go X > Y > X, and it felt FASTER than the regular swing, although I didn't count frames or anything

[bleak night]

It's neat because you can also use cast to absorb the startup of the second swing. So, now my main goal is to find some way to reduce the startup or the endlag of the big chop, because that move as it is kinda sucks https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242333047270150174/practice2.mp4?ex=664d744f&is=664c22cf&hm=a3c4709dd82636e1cadea6157a9f679e2263be9ad0743a1d4f2e2c85f3cd7561

[bleak night]

I think spamming special allows you to do it, though atm I can't see myself spamming it in every room, so it's more effective to cancel with dash

[bleak night]

notation: Attack (cancelled) -> Special -> 1st Swing -> Attack (cancelled) -> Dash -> Cast -> 2nd Swing -> Big Chop

[calm maple]

my point is that the sword had a whole 3-hit combo that nobody ever wanted to use; dash-attack was almost always more optimal than regular attack

[zenith bolt]

axe player joke goes here

[bleak night]

all of this effort to still be trash in Erebus at high fear

[zenith bolt]

[south copper]

define high fear, like what around 16?

[bleak night]

40

in 32 it's still quite effective, it's just that when your options are strangled away from you, it starts to feel bad

More so than the rest of the weapons

[shy summit]

is 40 max at the moment?

[tired fulcrum]

55

[south copper]

super high , nothing to be ashamed of

[calm maple]

either put Heph or a curse boon on axe special, use it like a shine

[plain fossil]

If u click literally everything its 55 but idk if anyone has done 55 yet?

[bleak night]

55, but there's a Fear node in there that nobody wants to touch that's worth 5

[shy summit]

arcana bye bye

[civic ocean]

was 43 you resetting for Psychic Whirlwind start or do you think you could do it higher with a floor 1 hammer of your choice

[shy summit]

I feel like the faster enemy fear is such a huge problem

[bleak night]

I did it without Psychic Whirlwind

[plain fossil]

Lets be real that node could cost 20 and ppl still wouldnt click it

[zenith bolt]

no one has done 55 i think. 49 (everything but timer) is probably possible with hella cheese
50 has been done (everything except arcana)

[bleak night]

At the end of the day, Furious Whirlwind is the best to have rn until Psychic Whirlwind gets fixed

[shy summit]

I would take it at that point tbh

[tired fulcrum]

True but tbh we dont use the combos much with mels weapons either which is a rip

[south copper]

we're still learning some of the best builds, and more changes are coming, like I'm sure Selenes will get buffed, that will help, everyone saying she weak

[plain fossil]

U reckon? Arcana is like a 500% power boost or something

[shy summit]

they really need to add a better carrot to the end of the multi-hit combo

[calm maple]

what's broken about psychic?

[zenith bolt]

the bigger thing is rerolls make arcana give you a huge boost to consistency. also the lovers is funny

[bleak night]

it doesn't rack up your Thanatos Axe crit procs

It counts as just one attack the whole way through instead of 10 or however much you charge it

[tired fulcrum]

Make axe finisher base 300 power without needing the hammer

[jovial cove]

I still take psychic on thanatos tbh

[plain fossil]

I mean even just no DD no lovers is rough

[jovial cove]

it's that good even if it sacks your crit build

[shy summit]

they need to add some sort of ability to the final axe hit

[bleak night]

unironically, yeah. It's so slow that if I start the move, Chronos can do his own move and it'll end before the Big Chop even lands

[plain fossil]

I tried no lovers for a while and concluded i am not good enough at the videogame

[calm maple]

I mean, you can get multiple simultaneous omega spins w/ psychic

[civic ocean]

which hades 2 weapon did you do the whole combo for tho

1 i mean

[bleak night]

That's also buggy, oddly enough. Sometimes I'll have 2 active at a time, sometimes I'll charge a new one up and it overwrites the old one. I've sent a report on it already

[tired fulcrum]

none of them

[zenith bolt]

rail shoot -> keep shooting combo fr

[shy summit]

occasionally the spear

[bleak night]

I could have a lot of chargetime reduc and it'll overwrite the old one, so I didn't think the duration on the older one just stopped

[shy summit]

but yeah it was pretty much never optimal in hades 1 to do the whole combo

[civic ocean]

it was just the spear right, fists you always dashed out of the last hit to save lag?

[shy summit]

it exists as an option for the mashers
shoutout to hades 1 mashers

[calm maple]

still more optimal to spam dash-attack on the rail

[civic ocean]

Whereas I think the Blades full combo is good in erebus right

[tired fulcrum]

Like standing still to do a combo just gets you hit in both games

[shy summit]

the hades 1 sword combo did shift you around a bit which was nice

[calm maple]

Hades 2 seems to have dodge offsetting, or wants to, bugs not withstanding

[zenith bolt]

i used arthur for most hades 1 but that lets you dash between attacks like axe

[shy summit]

in hades 2 the full combo problem is even worse
every weapon has higher end lag and the dash is delayed by default

[bleak night]

I kinda want Big Chop to just not be part of the Axe basic attacks

I like swing 1 and 2 because it reminds me so much of Arthur

[shy summit]

but to be fair the full combo on staff and blades are fast enough to come out pretty often

[jovial cove]

does firing all your shells on skull count as a combo

[civic ocean]

idk thats kinda like having a gun that doesn't shoot things, it's an axe

[shy summit]

if they just make it like 25% faster that would be good enough tbh

[zenith bolt]

medea skull is kind of a gun that doesnt shoot things

[tired fulcrum]

Axe bonk finisher is fun it just doesnt do enough

[bleak night]

perhaps they can put some sort of rhythm on it where if you press the attack button again at the right time, maybe a small flash, it'll have less startup and endlag, kind of like the momentum on a heavy weapon ?

[zenith bolt]

timing-based perfect inputs for axe seems legit

[west rain]

i like axe better than arthur but i didn't like arthur at all tbh

[civic ocean]

if you dash into it she does a flip like a RWBY character or smth and it's faster

[bleak night]

I think the weapon's basic attacks in general just need changes somehow

[zenith bolt]

mel aspect should just outright make your attacks faster

[west rain]

most of the weapons in 2 are kinda in that arthur category where it's probably good but it feels awkward and uncomfortable

[zenith bolt]

instead of the weird recovery time thing it currently does

[south copper]

I kinda like it, reminds me of one of the shield aspects from H1

[west rain]

dagger and staff feel good. the rest mmmm.

[south copper]

that could be good, I haven't really noticed its scaling power when you have less to throw

[civic ocean]

I think the daggers feel the best

[shy summit]

reduced end lag is pretty strong tho

[west rain]

yeah probably

[calm maple]

sorta like Devil May Cry 1's launcher

[tired fulcrum]

Wait arthur final slash was 200 base damage why is axe finisher only 160

[bleak night]

lol

[tired fulcrum]

And stuff has more hp here

[zenith bolt]

me when the different video game is different

[shy summit]

you will fish for the hammer and you will ENJOY it

[plain fossil]

Axe finisher really does feel horrendous doesnt it

[bleak night]

shafted and nerfed

[west rain]

because everything is undertuned

[zenith bolt]

not that that justifies it, but still. comparing numbers is kinda ???????

[civic ocean]

I wouldn't say everything

[west rain]

ok pan is incredible

[shy summit]

momus...

[civic ocean]

Momus Pan Eos Persephone all seem incredible

[west rain]

is it momus or poseidon?

[bleak night]

Look at how much faster everything is coming out compared to this move. I could start it up and Chronos is going to do something in the middle of it, let it rip, and I can't move out of the way because I already committed dodge to smack him https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/450385622176235540/1240822103029321758/GET_CHOPPED.mp4?ex=6647f522&is=6646a3a2&hm=eeee51418249d953cea30e9c4dd38a1744496a92acf14a75e8cc99cac62d4d78

[zenith bolt]

eos would be perfect if torch basic attack wasn't considered channeling

[civic ocean]

Charon as well now that we know the tech

[west rain]

i mean is momus super strong or is poseidon special super strong

[civic ocean]

Both

[west rain]

what is the charon tech

[zenith bolt]

i just. dont want to be reliant on hera or poseidon gains (heph too but hes 🤏 a little stinky)

[distant ocean]

is more even possible? lol

[jade cairn]

is there a way to access the boon book when im picking my boon?

[tired fulcrum]

Nope

[civic ocean]

In theory it should be with Zeus right

[bleak night]

I know for a fact that I can kill Chronos by afk'ing, I just have to believe

[distant ocean]

I believe

[west rain]

is anybody compiling builds and aspect tech anywhere?

[west rain]

is this regarding charon

[civic ocean]

I am working on a PDF that I will post in 10 minutes and you can tell me how it looks

[zenith bolt]

in:h2-builds-and-combat has:video is about the best axe tech repository you have rn

[civic ocean]

No, Mynt is doing a "put down the controller and kill chronos" attempt

[west rain]

oh

[bleak night]

lol.

[west rain]

is it just a compilation of dash cancels?

[zenith bolt]

among other things, yeah

[west rain]

it does feel like arthur

[bleak night]

animation cancels, dash cancels, animation storing, fast combos, extending invulnerability frames into dash attacks, etc

still a pretty unwieldy weapon tho lol

[zenith bolt]

being able to cast* during torch omega attack really makes eos i feel

*sometimes. depends on ur boons

[west rain]

this really feels like the theme of hades

[jade cairn]

They should add that as an option. I always forgot which boon i need to get duo boon

[bleak night]

biggest buff I could ask for Axe without making it busted is letting me dash the moment I start a whirlwind in case I want to do something defensive, rather than wait for about a second before I can

[west rain]

unwieldy weapons, weak hammers, unintuitive boons, and one dash :p

i love this game

[civic ocean]

IDK I feel like a lot of stuff is really player favoured

[zenith bolt]

one dash is fine because the game is balanced around it

[pastel elm]

the more i play the more i feel like the onion vow is one of the easier ones

[jovial cove]

I think it would be cool if you could cancel axe attack into the special shield

[shy summit]

i dig not mashing dash as much in this game

[zenith bolt]

i could argue more abt that message but i just. really don't have it in me today

[pastel elm]

i thought it would be like the worst or close

[civic ocean]

I never play onion personally but I could see it

[jade cairn]

The one dash is actually good. It make this game distinct. You have to play it way differently than H1

[shy summit]

onion is an obvious pick for 32 fear imo

[zenith bolt]

the different game is different, that's the main thing

[pastel elm]

way easier with artificer

[jade cairn]

H2 value positioning more than dash spam

[civic ocean]

It's diagetic! Melinoe and Zag are fighting for very different reasons - one is fast and frenetic, and the other is precise and planned

[jovial cove]

I don't mess with onion, need my build too bad

[civic ocean]

Yeah I don't do onion at 32

[west rain]

all the weapons feeling clunky (except for staff and dagger) and the omegas kinda accomplished this tbf

[plain fossil]

I dont feel like the game is unfair at all fwiw, other than some occasional mechanic overlap trolling in chronos phas 2

[shy summit]

after a lot of playtime I find that positioning is important, but only to the extent that you stay far away from enemies and put a cast between you and them

[west rain]

and honestly i kinda wish staff had a more interesting combo

[civic ocean]

I do feel that the game WAS unfair with the metaprogression, particularly when you couldn't harvest all resources

[shy summit]

the actual value of smart positioning is not very high - at high fears you end up spamming a lot of dash anyways

[pastel elm]

what do you guys think of spirit surge btw

[west rain]

actually yeah i'd call cast the defining difference. i definitely think it's interesting that we are kiting so much of the time

[jade cairn]

Thats why H2 have Hex. I think people under estimate Hex. Its a reliable built that is parallel to your magik. So you can rely on it when you use enough magik.

[civic ocean]

Like I'm not imagining that the keepsake box and wells between biomes were just...there, right?

[zenith bolt]

It's Okay In Some Situations™️

free take on medea if you go zeus special, which is nice

[brittle prairie]

I dont feel like the update has helped much with this, non focusvresources just barely appear now

[pastel elm]

i feel like its kinda poggers

[west rain]

the hex's definitely still need some work. i really don't think they're impactful or unique enough. three of them are just huge damage buttons progressively more awkward to activate.

[tired fulcrum]

Hexes are the opposite of reliable

[shy summit]

moon water??

[west rain]

yep that's the one hex

[shy summit]

the one good hex™️

[calm maple]

@bleak night is any dash boon besides aphro even worth taking on axe?

[civic ocean]

I got everything before the update so I have no idea, the only thing I use the tools for now is for Demeter's boon

[pastel elm]

yea hexes feel like big poopy. most of my builds dont use mana at all. even on something like mel stick

[tired fulcrum]

Idk why they have the moon phase thing on top of path of stars being rng on top of hexes being unable to be rerolled

[west rain]

yeah and you gotta put effort into getting hexes. it's a real sacrifice to grab them.

[shy summit]

AND you need a build that uses magick. grrrr

[civic ocean]

I feel like Demeter if you play Origination must be at least okay

[jade cairn]

You got to rely on Hex and cast more. But yes the umbral flame is garbage. The skull and axe actually pretty decent.

[shy summit]

demeter freeze is one of the best curses, especially with origination

[bleak night]

Aphro's is definitely best, but I find use off of Apollo's Sprint to reposition better + apply Daze. I almost never use keepsakes for my 3rd god on Axe, I almost always just go Hera-Dem or Aphro-Apollo

[civic ocean]

but Aph is way better because you don't sprint on axe like, ever, right

[west rain]

the axe feels so damn slow. i never liked arthur and the omegas turn that slowness up to 11

[jade cairn]

Just think of it as a secondary attack. U use it once its ready not all the time. So kinda like an extra boost to your weapon and built

[pastel elm]

yea totally agree. its also awesome how dem has 2 curses in her boon pool

[bleak night]

I sprint on Axe because I can press Attack and do a dash attack and then just instantly charge whirl off of it

[civic ocean]

right, so Apollo works for you because you want the speed boost

[west rain]

it costs too much for too little damage. it costs room rewards

[vale shard]

Wait so I can apply privileged status with dem alone?

[civic ocean]

currently, yes

[pastel elm]

yes, she has cyclone and freeze

[jade cairn]

Mix the attack with special. Attack twice then special cause the third attack for axe is slow. This way u can defend after two attack

Dont spam attack with axe its slow

[vale shard]

Or just Spain without the A

[pastel elm]

and she can get both on just the cast isnt granny so great

[bleak night]

atm, speed boost is kinda negligible because of the patch buffing base sprint speed and nerfing all sprint speed boosts, it's just nice to apply Daze to targets you run through

[calm maple]

and 3 separate boons to put on Cast

[shy summit]

demeter is so good now that I think about it, dang

[west rain]

so attack attack then stand there for 30 seconds (exaggeration) waiting for the special windup

[civic ocean]

idk I feel a loooooot faster with the boons

[zenith bolt]

axe aspects be like
mel: spain without the S
charon: spain without the I
thanatos; spain without the A

[shy summit]

when i get demeter cast it feels like I win

[bleak night]

span ?

[civic ocean]

wide cast span

[zenith bolt]

charon has big aoes idk im reaching a bit

[jade cairn]

No need to wait the special is to defend or cancel your last axe attack

[bleak night]

ah, okay.

[shy summit]

i wish there was an option to turn off axe omega special

[bleak night]

I'm hoping the Special Blast properties kinda just get fixed. I hate that weird moment where you're being shielded, then you let the blast go and you're suddenly eating hits and can't move for a while

[shy summit]

let me shield!!

[tired fulcrum]

Thats why you dash

[bleak night]

try tap spamming it

[jade cairn]

I use a aphrodite and hemp built for the axe. All 5 death defiance still intact and my health is only half when Chronos died.

[bleak night]

true, but it's not reliable when I get the Omega Special chargetime reduc hammer, I can barely get it going 50% of the time with the redirect after dash

[zenith bolt]

i do wish all inputs that do two attacks (e.g. axe special/ special, torches attack/ attack) were changed

[west rain]

how do you decide to use axe omegas?

[tired fulcrum]

True that hammer makes it hard to time

[west rain]

it does have the issue where yo uhave to finish the attack animation before you start charging omega

[calm maple]

I think the omega special has i frames though? I've had those moments, but 9 times out of 10 I don't get hit?

[bleak night]

I like how you just turned Omega into an emote so you can just not type the whole word anymore lol

[west rain]

i wonder if i should use the extra buttons on my gamepad for omega. is that an option?

[civic ocean]

it has veeeeeeery weird properties

[jade cairn]

I only use the special omega with faster attack from chaos boon. So that i can spam more special. And also i placed a good cast on the target first then go for the special.

[civic ocean]

like I find sometimes it stores a hit and you take it when you come back down

[bleak night]

The iframes on it are weird, like if I'm going to get hit by a random stray as I'm letting it go, it gets blocked. But, if I'm in the middle of blocking something and I go into the omega special, I'm suddenly eating all that damage

[civic ocean]

I do think that the dash dunk will help a lot though once it's mastered

[west rain]

i don't even get to wait until i unleash it to get hit. i get hit by random stuff that can't be blocked. like fire.

[bleak night]

it's not that bad to do on base Special Blast, but that hammer that helps you charge it up faster makes it so hard to get it done

[civic ocean]

Yeah I find that's okay because I can get out after more easily

[jade cairn]

It feels so good to be able to finish Chronos with my moon laser. Its so convenient.

[bleak night]

when fighting Chronos, I find that blocking in his general direction rather than the direction of the projectiles will actually let you shield. It's weird. I can be aiming my shield directly at him, and his golden orbs will come at me from the side and get blocked

[civic ocean]

I mean cmon why you out here trying to block magical fire with a spinning axe

I feel like the vast majority of stuff that says "unblockable!" I'm like hmmm ya fair

[zenith bolt]

modern problems and all that

[west rain]

the windup is just so long that they start throwing ublockable stuff at me.

[bleak night]

idk man, it's just that you can block it in Hades 1, so I assumed

[pastel elm]

ive noticed blocking direction is weird too. sometimes i feel like i can block with my butt idk

[shy summit]

mods pls add omega emoji

[bleak night]

defensive rump

[west rain]

tbh i found aiming in general easier in 1

i'm assuming that will get tweaked

[shy summit]

they took a working aim assist feature in hades 1 and somehow messed it up for hades 2

[tired fulcrum]

Torch aiming

[west rain]

and then you aim in the right direction but the balloons are so far away

[jade cairn]

To fight chronos all you have to do is stand behind him. Thats basically it. Most of his attacks are front mid range. I just dash to him when he is about to attack and then hit him from behind.

[plain fossil]

Theres a couple of aiming issues the game has for sure atm, staff omega attack on mkb has issues for example

[civic ocean]

monkey king bar!?

[haughty depot]

flames should just have more lenient hit detection period

[jade cairn]

Btw i tried using umbral flames to beat Eris. But that weapon is so bad. I ended up beating her with poseidon dash only. Lolz

[west rain]

chronos is just not clicking at all in my brain. i beat hades after 26 attempts in 1 and it was smooth after that. but i've beaten chronos like 3 times in 60ish runs (counting surface as well) and it's only because i'm very strong not because i'm dodging well

[calm maple]

remind me what origination is, again?

[west rain]

the balloons go through the pillars. so she ends up being really easy to cheese with it.

[plain fossil]

U will get the hang of chronos dw

[civic ocean]

Privileged Status

[pastel elm]

priv status

[zenith bolt]

+50% damage to targets with 2 statuses

[calm maple]

ohhh yeah

that's what I use axe special for tbh

[plain fossil]

I find chronos p1 easiest if i stand in front of him and dash behind when his arms move

P2 u can respond to telegraphs on reaction theres no special trick

[zenith bolt]

fwiw chronos does have distinct telegraphs for each attack

[calm maple]

just run up, shine special once to apply a curse

[west rain]

i'm no slouch either i did 32 heat with every weapon but i swear i'm determined to dash into chronos' attacks :p;

[plain fossil]

Just dont wait for the audio especially on max speed vow its too slow

[civic ocean]

Chronos changing the windup speed of his attacks depending on his hp is nasty work though I understand why people are having a hard time

[plain fossil]

Ye i dont try and time it, i see chronos moving i dash through

[pastel elm]

i hate his p2 adds the most

[west rain]

is it audio heavy? i generally rely on visual cues because i often don't have sound on

[zenith bolt]

this is the reason i take Deep Dissent from hades every single time i can

[west rain]

reduced minions?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[civic ocean]

The worst is when u think ur smart and kill them and then he starts channelling instadeath circle over their time bubble bodies

[jade cairn]

Yeah H2 really demand good positioning. Staying close to him is actually the best way to beat him. You only need to watch out for his dash attack and when the ground around him glow.

[pastel elm]

yes me too. sometimes hades cast is also poggers

[west rain]

yeah it's liek the only one i take

[plain fossil]

Chronos isnt imo, scylla is much easier to do hitless if u have sound on tho

[west rain]

tbf scylla is easy to do with one hand

edit: i just mean it's an easy fight. onne hand was probalby not the best choice of words.

[shy summit]

most boss attacks have useful sound cues

[west rain]

the difference between hecate/scylla and cerb/chronos is wild

[civic ocean]

This is another reason why the fight is so hard is that every fight previous to this one has conditioned you to NOT stand right on top of the boss and to use the arena to your advantage

[jade cairn]

They need to add more songs to Schylla im so sick of the drown song

[zenith bolt]

my toxic trait is thinking i can consistently iframe roxy

[plain fossil]

I consider cerb irrelevant unless ur playing extremely aggressively even with 40% speed he shouldnt rly be hitting u

[civic ocean]

When he takes off hes pretty hard to avoid

[plain fossil]

He's just a 20k hp damage sponge that has a lot of area denial

[jade cairn]

Yeah you have to adjust it. Its a higher peak diff with Chronos.

[calm maple]

I'm always relieved when I get Coral Crown, because it's so much better than Claw Out Your Eyes

[zenith bolt]

oh ok "ass" is allowed but the moment you add hole to it
cerb is 100% dependent on whether or not he decides to be an ass

[shy summit]

i must have skill issue because i find hitless cerberus to be nearly impossible at +40% speed

[civic ocean]

I swear half the things she mentions in the bridge aren't even sea creatures

[west rain]

i haven't tried 40% speed. he seems fast to me even without it.

[shy summit]

he does those ground pound attacks way faster it's crazy