h2-builds-and-combat

[civic ocean]

32 torches no BG also felt impossible at first just took a couple days of practice

[bleak night]

It's doable on 32, yeah. Especially on high HP enemies since your attack scales and can stagger, you just need to survive initial armor onslaught unless you wanna waste time

Almost every room, I kinda have to decide if it's worth losing HP to clear it faster, but as you go deeper into the run, you realize it's less of a problem because you scale really well with both offensive and defensive boons

[civic ocean]

I'm fairly confident now that my main problem was cutting my damage early in arcana too much because of how successful that was on Torches

[bleak night]

You def need the reverse on Axe

Your early is pathetic and your middle to late is better

So change the Arcana to shore up the weakness

[sudden linden]

what are the currently strognest aspects for axe,flames, and skull? for easy clears?

[civic ocean]

No easy clears for those 3 weapons atm I feel

[bleak night]

Charon/Than axe play differently, but both are good. For Torches, Eos. For Skull, Persephone imo. Medea can fast clear but it takes effort to learn

In general tho, Staff and Blades are easier to win with

[ashen timber]

Mel axe's natural speed increase is pretty nice imo. Stack that with a good Hermes boon and you can swing pretty quickly.

Couple that with aphro attack and ive done some decent damage with it before

its no poseidon pan strat, but its not bad in my experience.

[sudden linden]

i see

any of these is rank dependant?

[ashen timber]

Still have yet to win with staff. Feels like the base attack falls off after Oceanus, even with boons

[sudden linden]

try momus special spam

[bleak night]

Than Axe imo, in rank 1 it basicslly doesnt exist

[sudden linden]

what about eos and the skulls?

[bleak night]

Idk much for Eos, but Persephone has a good damage boost on Omega Special, else it's basically Mel Skull with no ammo boost damage

[main onyx]

Hermes "Hard Target": I assume "most foes" means it doesn't work on Upwards Guardian 2? ||Eris||

[knotty fulcrum]

eos makes so the projectiles grow in size over 4 sec and max size damage is +70% or smth like that. and when you dash all your projectiles come back to you. so if played correctly you can almost doble your damage

[floral steppe]

The skulls can be hard to line up for the return sometimes, but if you just dash straight into an enemy they should all hit and burst them down

[rugged anvil]

probably discovered already but apparently apollo's cast boon can be triggered by aspect of charon axe special on a regular cast as if it was an omega cast

[forest veldt]

yup its a good combo, can also trigger apollo zeus or demeter duo boons

[rugged anvil]

I'll have to try that out one of these days, sounds super fun. I got the apollo cast boon thinking nothing of it and having it trigger on a regular cast was such a satisfying revelation lmao

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1241690585291559003/20240519105404_1.jpg?ex=664b1df9&is=6649cc79&hm=9c5b81ebbb8ead125f58e24dafaf86e484ea22af4a167a9ebcf9c7fa2e79442e& this duo goes so hard on eos, can't imagine the hits I'd be getting if I highrolled rarity on blitz

[forest veldt]

ya it feels nice dropping the nuke on ppl, super fun build

[lament kestrel]

same with zeus' omega cast duo

i saw haelian do a run with both of them and it was op

[rugged anvil]

oh cool I didn't realize he was making hades 2 content too, I'll check it out

[north granite]

I had the Duo boon with Zeus for that and Scylla got melted down for parts

[haughty depot]

I think double wallop can be pretty good, maybe not quite as good as double moonshot but you can make a really strong build around it if that's what you roll

[young magnet]

what you guys using for pact setup 32 heat? i finished underworld, still trying to finish surface run before they nerf double moonshot lol

i cant seem to decide on a pact setup that i dont hate

the ones that nerf your magick into oblivion really only work with double moonshot build. or are there other good builds that dont use any magick?

[trail finch]

What's Double Moonshot ??

sorry I know that doesn't answer your question, but am curious what that soon-to-be-nerfed thing is loll

[young magnet]

hammer for staff

makes your special shoot twice

[trail finch]

Ohhh
Yeah okay I've used that loll, thanks for clarification :o

[forest veldt]

#h2-builds-and-combat message think this should be good

[knotty fulcrum]

some good and fun cast builds?

[sly turret]

Does uncanny fortitude increase your health when you get more max magick after you picked the boon?

[forest veldt]

yup

[forest veldt]

apollo cast w/ zeus duo is always a fun time

[knotty fulcrum]

what does the duo do?

[forest veldt]

Glorious Disaster - You can Channel +30 magic into your Omega Cast to repeatedly strike foes with lightning bolts.

[knotty fulcrum]

also should I use a specific weapon with it and does it work on like 20 fear?

[forest veldt]

charon is fine but works w/ most weapon. not sure about how feels on 20 fear tho, may be rough managing w/ magick cost and timing cast detonation

[knotty fulcrum]

ok thanks. I'll try it on lower fear first ig

[stable sable]

yo silly question but

aspect of charon states "erupts like your omega cast" but that doesnt mean it actually applies the effects of omega cast buffs/boons too right?

[forest veldt]

it does, its as if u cast omega

[stable sable]

so for example apollos omega cast would activate when struck with it?

that sounds incredibly fun, given how much damage ive seen it do already

[forest veldt]

yup apollo cast detonates, works w/ zeus and demter duo as well

[stable sable]

dear lord i gotta try that soon

[mystic bison]

Optimal Eos build?

[midnight nacelle]

What is judgement good for ? I assume it starts being worth it after having been upgraded at least twice

[ionic lily]

Its not actually good, but its pretty fun for a low fear run though

[acoustic sleet]

Aphro/Artemis daggers is some real fun. Not sure it's better than Posiden daggers, but it's super fun either way

[sullen void]

hook knives + concentrated flurry is super strong, took out +30% hp polyphemus in 6 omega specials without a special boon (aspect of pan)

[distant root]

hera attack + born gain + passion dash

[tall notch]

I just threw 42 fear so hard 😭 Bought a Heph boon in the final shop before Chronos and because of vow of forsaking I got forced to replace born gain

As his regen was the only boon left

[sly turret]

Aphrodite special or Poseidon special for high heat Pan?

[forest veldt]

pos always

[north granite]

Pos really climbed all the way to the Top in Hades 2

[faint shale]

What are the boons to go for with the torches? poseidon, zeus, and hestia for the attack build?

for special you just want aphro special and heartthrobs?

[distant root]

how do you reroll efficiently? just die?

as in, the entire run

[ivory panther]

is there a hidden bonus for Marauder slice on the sister blades? cuz it just seems like a debuff to me....

[green wren]

which one is that?

[ivory panther]

the one that removes your omega attack and makes your regular attack automatic

[shadow marsh]

The hidden bonus is that you can't get it when you're using Artemis blades so it makes hook knives and the omega attack ones more likely

[ivory panther]

it doesnt even seem to give extra attack speed.... it just removes your omega attack for no benefit

[green wren]

its throughput just from not having to cancel animations afaik

[shadow marsh]

Yeah it's a far cry from hades 1 flurry jab / flurry shot

[green wren]

but its still pretty terrible esp when the omega / special ones are so strong

[gray knot]

Have anyone cooked a Scorch build

[ivory panther]

id want a sizeable buff for losing my omega... not something i can manually activate by using the Autofire option in the menu

[wind lake]

one gigantic problem im noticing with the god keepsakes is the first boon is always common, meaning the rarify is heavily nerfed if you take anything good from that boon, are there ways around this?

also, using the vow that removes choices forces you to take the good damage(for the build you want) or its over

[tall notch]

It's not always common

[wind lake]

i dont think ive ever seen a rare, and i just did two rerolls and they were all still common

small sample size but still id rather not hinge on a rarity that early in the run

[umbral gazelle]

i got a bad epic last night i think at the start, sometimes blues

[ivory panther]

they tend to be common without the arcana active

[wind lake]

yeah got none of the rarity arcanas active, except for duo

just because my build happened to have it and saw no reason to complain

[topaz peak]

I think someone cooked a scorch torches build

Dunno what it is though

[wind lake]

im currently trying to get a scorch torch build

but god keepsakes are being really really irritating to me

i usually start with chaos keepsake and then just run with whatever father chaos gives me as a buff and the random gods, but a scorch build sounds fun

this is run 5 and im almost at scylla with no boon bonus because im waiting for a non common one to rarify

[coarse sphinx]

my dude just put scorch and fun in the same sentence smh

[shadow marsh]

If you're running scorch you have to be using air quality imo

[tall notch]

Well I once got scorch air quality to align on Eos, not sure if that is what you meant?

[wind lake]

thats demeter duo right

[tall notch]

Zeus infusion

[mystic bison]

Vapor duo is the only thing I go to scorch for

[wind lake]

whats air quality do, i know demeter buffs scorch damage

[topaz peak]

Scorch is actually really solid for getting rid of the the blue heart thingies

Very good with pan imo on cast

[shadow marsh]

Air quality makes your minimum damage per tick 30

[topaz peak]

Cause you’re going pos special anyway

So if you get the duo you’re set

[shadow marsh]

Scorch doesnt actually tick 1 damage at a time, it's more like 6 damage at a time, but that's still 5x the damage

[wind lake]

wait that applies for scorch????

[shadow marsh]

You bet it does

[acoustic sleet]

Does that reduce the stacks by 30?

[shadow marsh]

No

[wind lake]

i legit just bought a pom and extra health over zeus boon 💀

[acoustic sleet]

...amazing

[wind lake]

who is the duo with, btw

[acoustic sleet]

Zeus has some pretty great stuff, but i feel like his boons fight each other a bit

[topaz peak]

Zeus’ cast is great

[shadow marsh]

Best scorch duo is posideon for double dot

[wind lake]

poseidon is the air quality duo?

[topaz peak]

No

He’s saying pos duo with hestia is probably the best duo

[shadow marsh]

No, air quality is just a zeus boon. It requires 5 air

[wind lake]

ahhh its infusion gotcha

[topaz peak]

You have to have the slip boon though

[mystic bison]

5 air is rough esp if you are doing Hestia

[topaz peak]

It’s possible though keepsakes and all that

[wind lake]

farm chaos until you get +3 all elements

ez pz surely. only like a 1/30 chance

actually less than that since the epic can still be +2

[topaz peak]

You just have to make sure you get hestia and then only wind god/goddesses in your pool

[mystic bison]

Only Narcissius and Chaos can give elements outside of boons, but it's not guaranteed

[shadow marsh]

You can do it pretty reliably just with zeus and hermes

[knotty fulcrum]

how does blitz work? like if it's already aplied to an enemy what happens if you apply it again?

[shadow marsh]

Nothing

[wind lake]

its just a guarenteed damage after 120, never seemed too good to me but ive never seen it heroic

it might be good with a non in slot damage buff like a chaos boon

[shadow marsh]

The zeus hestia duo makes the blitz apply scorch. After you get air quality you never need another boon that applies scorch

[knotty fulcrum]

and does blitz count as a curse effect?

[shadow marsh]

Yes

[acoustic sleet]

It does!

[knotty fulcrum]

thanks

[wind lake]

So i think for the run I run hestia keepsake and just stomach the rare special that inflicts scorch, then switch to zeus keepsake in oceanus and then aphro in fields for more air.

[acoustic sleet]

Blitz is good for back loading damage, and it's got some fun stuff with like Demeter/Zeus (Blitz goes off on everyone)

also there's an excellent Zeus boon that makes it detonate on it's own when it runs out, and do even more damage

[steel sequoia]

blitz is good if you can spam frenetically like momus and blades

[acoustic sleet]

so you can smack a whole crowd and run off

[shadow marsh]

I would start with zeus to start building up for air quality and then switch to hestia region 2 personally

[wind lake]

good idea. I think if i get lucky I can swap to chaos in fields just for some utility boons, getting 5 air shouldnt be too hard by fields if im lucky.

also taking the vow would be good now since i dont care about other zeus boons

[acoustic sleet]

@shadow marsh what's your Keepsake stratergy? I like going God -> Teardrop/Vial/Concave based on what i think i need

Area 3 tends to be a lot more malleable, and area 4 i just go black fleece or knucklebones

[shadow marsh]

If I'm not targeting a specific build I like to start with Chaos because a free epic chaos boon can give you some crazy stuff like -50% mana costs or 100 extra life

[mystic bison]

god -> god -> Chaos/Crystal -> Evil Eye for me usually

[shell sun]

I got a third hammer || using the echo reward || lets goooo

didn't know its possible, can confirm it is now

[acoustic sleet]

I def need to try chaos more often. If you take the keepsake off, do you just keep the boon? if so that's hilarious and amazing

[mystic bison]

You keep it yes

[shadow marsh]

All the keepsake does is reroll the boon every 8 combats

[acoustic sleet]

Well, i've been sleeping on things!

[wind lake]

this always. Ive been using chaos first for like every run except this one

[mystic bison]

Chaos bleessings last for 8 rooms, after which it changes

Whenever you end up swapping the Chaos keepsake for another, the last blessing that you had remains til the end of the run

[wind lake]

for erebus you will almost always have a reroll, oceanus you wont reroll if you take the midway shop, and fields you can never reroll

[mystic bison]

If you are going for specific builds, non god keepsake start is pretty crippling

[shadow marsh]

I've had some rare fields where I get 2-2-3 combats so it can reroll there but it's rare

[wind lake]

i see i see

one miniboss encounter would ensure a non reroll then, very good to know

[shadow marsh]

Yeah if you're going for specific builds you shouldn't start chaos. I just like seeing what the game hands me.

[wind lake]

yeah this game is just like hades 1 where you can just start with whatever the game starts giving you and go with the first strong thing you see, and win pretty easily with that

[mystic bison]

16 fear surface run on torches is gonna be rough, at least I only need to beat Polyphemus

[wind lake]

chaos just handing you 66% less mana usage, 15 health regen per room, 100% damage for no in slot cost, free 3 in each element which means all infusions are basically free, only bad ones are cast damage and resource gathering doubles

[steel sequoia]

im kinda stuck in that too lmao

and 12 on skulls

[shadow marsh]

Speak for yourself cast damage rocks

[wind lake]

I put down cast to stop the little guys from charging me but thats about it.

im also teaching myself to use fury damage

oh also lycaons, cast just hard counters those guys

[acoustic sleet]

This can be a huge part of the fun of roguelikes

[wind lake]

wailers too, come to think of it.

[acoustic sleet]

And cast damage is amazing - even the basic cast is an amazing snare and nuke

I did terribly at this game until i learned just how good the cast is as part of your kit

[shadow marsh]

Yeah if you build aphro knives 20 runs in a row then complain the game doesn't have variety that's on you

[mystic bison]

Here's what i got left https://i.imgur.com/ba4iMGG.png

[shadow marsh]

The twin blades disrespector has logged on holy

[wind lake]

AINT NO WAY

[steel sequoia]

im 12-16-16-16 but im having a rough time playing with drifting controller, waiting for the new one to arrive

[mystic bison]

No I love the blades but dark thirst never targets them lol

[wind lake]

oh wrong reply sorry, bro hates the blades man

[acoustic sleet]

Yup. I actually want to suggest they should add a "Give me random Fear" or something modifiers

Like i prefer the StS style of a just a set list that's locked in stone, but you know, if yopu're gonna do chooseable diffuclty, lean in.

[wind lake]

tbh i recently started ignoring grave thirst. It barely gives me any bones and i just run shovel/fishing rod. gives way more bones

i just pick whatever i think would be fun

[acoustic sleet]

I mainly pay attention to grave thirst as a way to shake up my runs some

[shadow marsh]

As long as you can see what the random fear modifiers are so if I get the no arcana one I can reroll

[acoustic sleet]

otherwise i'd never really play with skull/torches.

[mystic bison]

I try to maximize bones for Nightmare

[wind lake]

for me my weapons i despise are axe/skulls
mainly axe

axe wipes rooms but i just cannot make it work on bosses, definitely a skill issue

[acoustic sleet]

Axe's problems are solved by running Apollo, or just taking Charon.

[mystic bison]

I am least happy when I see Torches with dark thirst, for 20 fear I might shift from Mel to Eos

[acoustic sleet]

Apollo Thanatos is incredibly fun, esp because his Legendary goes really well with THanatos

[steel sequoia]

i dislike that skulls aspects are mainly special than attack focused

[mystic bison]

Skulls require way too much setup for good dps imo

[wind lake]

yeah beyblade build is pretty good, I just take quite alot of damage on it from chronos specifically

[acoustic sleet]

Chronos is where 90% of the damage i take in a run comes from anyway. So, you know. I need to push teh fear up, but this game is pretty rouigh on my wrists, so i'm kinda happy just tooling around at low fear and not over-straining my nerve damage

[wind lake]

lmao

[acoustic sleet]

Trying harding in Rogeulikes is saved for Slay the SPire, where anything that's not A20 heart kills is very boring to me XD

[wind lake]

Most of the time I tend to not care too too much about getting hit, health is a resource i expend in small amounts to kill stuff faster

[shadow marsh]

I've done all 30 testaments and cleared 32 fear and Chronos is still where I take the majority of my damage so it's not a skill issue he's just hard

[wind lake]

that too ☝️

even chronos hugging sometimes he do ball attack and i take half my health :(

[acoustic sleet]

I find his second phase a lot easier, at least until he starts dash spamming again

[wind lake]

same. he just sits there and takes it in 2nd phase

[acoustic sleet]

As in his second phase he's mostly a FF14 raid boss, and dancing around that stuff is second nature

but in the first phase it's dashes with a viciious and really ahrd to see lingering aoe. and the jerk is immune to one of hteo therwise best hexes 😦

[mystic bison]

If you have good dps you can end phase 2 pretty quick, there is only 1 invuln phase and he spends a lot of time standing still, at least a lot more than phase 1

[shadow marsh]

The trick with the axe is you need to use your cast more. It's great to put it down so you can buy time to charge your spin

[wind lake]

the first phase orb summoning attacks are by far and away his most damaging for me, the telegraphing is something i still havent figured out

[mystic bison]

The biggest game changing knowledge for Kronos fight is that the cast cripples his thrust, makes the fight 10 times easier no joke

[wind lake]

the "hug chronos and dash to the left" works for every single one of his other attacks

[shadow marsh]

Yeah it's something that works on 90% of enemies. Cast helps agains all mobile enemies.

[acoustic sleet]

Another big thing with axe is you can dash-cancel between attacks. Including stuff like dashing between charging the omega attack and releasing it

you can also dash between the first two hits of the axe and the final b ig hit

[wind lake]

hera cast gaming, then?

200% longer cast=200% longer pain

[acoustic sleet]

I don't like Hera cast too much because i find the longer cast time really limiting.

[wind lake]

i see

[shadow marsh]

Heras cast can actually be a pain because I want to move it around more than once every 9 seconds or whatever

[wind lake]

this ive toyed with but never got good at and usually resulted in me missing or taking some damage with no benefit

i have used dashing with the big chop upgrade since its easier to pull off, though.

[acoustic sleet]

I feel like learning to dash cancel with axe is vital, because it opens up so much.

One sad thing is that Psychic Whirlwind is bugged with Thanatos aspect right now - You're supposed to get 1% crit per hit, and PW makes it 1% per cast. Which is crippling ;.;

[shadow marsh]

It sounds like you're using your full attack sequence a lot. That's a mistake imo. 1 - 2 - reposition is a lot safer. The third hit is a lot more damage, but the windup is so long and the area so small that you're going to get hit a lot.

[spare kite]

Saw someone clearing the game for the first time on twitter and ofc momus was at the scene of the crime goofy staff

[acoustic sleet]

Apollo, again, really helps a lot too, because the dramatic increase in range on the axe makes it a lot safer.

Wehn you can be standing on one side of the screen and smacking everyone on the rest of the screen

[shadow marsh]

Apollo is great for attack and special focused builds, too. His legendary with axe is so good.

[wind lake]

definitely, ill try using it more my next run

[acoustic sleet]

Apollo is just a great god in general. The only thing i don't like his mana boon and his "Dont take damagfe, do more damage"

like it's a good boon, but it's bad for me and my "let me walk into this projectile, i am very smart"

[shadow marsh]

I hope they don't nerf it, it reminds me of zeus rail strats in hades 1. It's good to have lower skill intensive stuff imo.

[wind lake]

me clearing the first time made me feel so stupid.

I had to have someone tell me in 2nd phase the enclosing ring attacks didnt instakill you like his other darkened golden ring attacks. I was taking 500 damage per fight thanks to those.

i cleared him the next run after with knives and no defiances used

why dark arena if no big damage???? :(

[acoustic sleet]

Momus is the healing staff, yeah? I think it's pretty whatever, honestly.

[spare kite]

Don't feel stupid for that
People have been feedback'ing that for a while

[spare kite]

Did you ever play guan yu in h1?
Same thing, you don't care for the healing but base dmg upgrade

[acoustic sleet]

It's actual highpoint is the increased special damage, that's the really good part of Momus.

[ocean ibex]

the main effect people use is not the healing, it is the base damage

[shadow marsh]

Then you're missing the part where it literally quadruples your special's base damage

[acoustic sleet]

Oh, yeah, that was the bit i was typing, it's just the slow mode 😛

[wind lake]

i see people using poseidon special alot with momus, is it actually the best or is aphro better, ive seen some pretty high aphro damage bonus numbers

[acoustic sleet]

Posiden is easier to postion with, Aphro has higher pay off.

[spare kite]

Aoe + range is just really nice

[shadow marsh]

Apollo being the most generally good god to slot into anything is a flavor win.

[acoustic sleet]

Aphro';s a lot weaker on crowd clear too, and Posy has a much better legendary boon

[ocean ibex]

poseidon is MUCH easier to use

you can play safe and do the same damage you would up close

[acoustic sleet]

otoh, Aph has a bunch of damage reduction and healing, both of which are very nice.

[wind lake]

also hestia cast is genuinely the first cast damage ive liked, and i took it because nothing else ruined my build

[ocean ibex]

and like penguin said, is better at encounters

[shadow marsh]

Imo posideon is better for general clears because the aoe is what you lack

[wind lake]

just a casual 1.1k scorch without even trying lmao

[acoustic sleet]

Apollo's cast is probably my favourite.

Trap everything and then SKY LASER 9000

[steel sequoia]

id nerf poseidon and apollo so i wanna play other gods

[wind lake]

tbh poseidon is one of my least favs of all the gods, only beaten by zeus

[ocean ibex]

poseidon is easier to use because you can stand outside the range of most enemies' attacks

[shadow marsh]

Hestia cast can get you through the first 2 locales with no problems. I love it for comfy clears.

[wind lake]

I typically never go for poseidon unless its vs a minor find

[shadow marsh]

Hahaha, YES

[steel sequoia]

how can you hate this? https://postimg.cc/YGhY6ssg

[acoustic sleet]

He's just SO HAPPY! I love that for him.

Also when that boon goes off, it goes off hard. You can get so much hp/mana/gold/even the bloody Path of stars.

[wind lake]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[ocean ibex]

lol i've had the aphro auto-healing boon as low as 49% before

[shadow marsh]

I can't confirm, but I've heard it can copy a hammer

[ocean ibex]

never had to worry about damage again

[spare kite]

Double up my beloved

[wind lake]

yeah aphro healing is so damn nice, you go from health being super valuable in encounters to throwing yourself at enemies to kill them faster

[ocean ibex]

it cannot, hammers are a major find

[shadow marsh]

So are hearts but here we are

[ocean ibex]

hearts are a minor find, no?

[acoustic sleet]

Actually, that's a question - what are people's goto Arcana atm?

My current setup is 1-5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 19, 22 and 24.

[ocean ibex]

oh hearts are a major find. hm

[wind lake]

1,2,3.7,8,10,12,13,16,17,20,21,22

[spare kite]

The description is "minor rewards and other similar resources"
So I think everything else (hp/poms/etc) is being thrown there

[steel sequoia]

never copied hammer, but hearth sometimes

[wind lake]

3.7???? bro i went hexadecimal on arcana 💀

[shadow marsh]

Hearts, money, magick, boons, hammers, boons, and paths are all major finds.

[faint shale]

I got a sub 10min chronos run on my 4th try I didnt even get half the boons i was looking for.

[acoustic sleet]

I want to like the bottom left quarter, but it's just too expensive in my opinion to invest in, and you loose so much by trying to take it.

[ocean ibex]

everything but boons, i guess?

[acoustic sleet]

but 3 rerolls on boons is really, really nice, even though ti means giving up a couple of nice to haves

[spare kite]

It can even copy elements/dice from narcissus lmao

[steel sequoia]

yeah sometimes i double that stuff and like wth i dont need bruh thanks

[ocean ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742056287264833546/1241737150114828348/6d83a800f959141e9abacb59eaa70962.jpg?ex=664b4956&is=6649f7d6&hm=1cde27eb978790612a99315905ccc6ed9f7b351201abc32e1148871b5258c8b5&

[spare kite]

Pos working overtime after being told that w/o tidal dash he was nothing

[acoustic sleet]

Okay, this is spicy. Loosing the dash hurts, but this is very spicy.

[ocean ibex]

the dash is enabled

[wind lake]

youve taught me hades role gives image perms here. I shall use this information wisely

[acoustic sleet]

Dash? Er Dodge. My brain is fried.

[ocean ibex]

it does not

[wind lake]

yes it does, i just got the role with image perms

[ocean ibex]

oh, yeah. i don't find that i get hit very much

[ocean ibex]

try to send an image

[faint shale]

https://i.imgur.com/XXswGWv.jpeg but depends on what aspect im using

[steep heron]

does the Furies arcana affect omega cast damage?

[wind lake]

i see, the plus isnt images

[shadow marsh]

Yes

[wind lake]

its "use apps"
:(

why hades role add plus for no images

[steep heron]

nice

[ocean ibex]

just embed

[steel sequoia]

i have more problems dashing cyclops than chronos

[raven ivy]

Does omega cast % stuff affect Apollo's *post-*omega cast strikes?

[shadow marsh]

I can't confirm this

[wind lake]

the more i fight polyphemus the worse i do.

first time i got to him i blitzed past him with axe barely getting hit at all.

now with my beloved knifed or staff omega build I almost always take a death

atleast eris is easier

[lusty heron]

time slow is op for olympus route

[raven ivy]

Polyphemus has a very specific rhythm to him, either I do well in the beginning and continue doing exellently, or I start off bad and continue getting my ass kicked

[shadow marsh]

"Eris is easier than Polyphemus"

🔥 Hot take alert 🔥

[tired turret]

I usually go for the epic and rare boon stuff with the rerolls and duo thing

[acoustic sleet]

Poly has the issue that his hit box is active his entire leap, and it hurts. It's very rude

[wind lake]

cast + dash = very sad eris

[tired turret]

I agree

[topaz peak]

Eris has a weakness in hestia dash

[wind lake]

also if the gods bestow upon you soot sprint eris just dies upon entering the room, no cutscene just a gapple on the ground

[ocean ibex]

poly is so much easier than eris

[topaz peak]

Poly doesn’t

[wind lake]

eris isnt only hestia dash

axe special just negates everything, revenge damage MELTS her, straight up, 2k per hit sometimes

[tired turret]

Hey the hestia scorch while channeling is NUTS on torches

[faint shale]

poly second hardest boss after chronos ngl

[tired turret]

You can tap attack and with each attack you get 180 scorch in an aoe

It triggers twice for some reason

[shadow marsh]

Based on what Murph says about his play style I know what the problem is. He likes to play fast and loose. And polyphemus is very punishing if you turn your brain off and go rage mode on him.

[ocean ibex]

you can't wail on poly during the whole fight

[wind lake]

youve figured me out.

-doesnt like axe because too slow

[spare kite]

Poly would be nicer if his green sheep didn't exist

Send that thing to the confines of tartarus

[wind lake]

if only the gates of hell werent forced open it could remain where it belonged

[shadow marsh]

Imo the worst one is the Ram why does that thing do 5 per hit

[tired turret]

The sheep are going to be such a meme

[spare kite]

That's the green one

Also the ones that block projectiles are nasty when playing torches

[shadow marsh]

Oh mb. Is the yellow one the anti-magick one?

[tired turret]

Why can't we kill the sheep

[spare kite]

Yeah

[wind lake]

one thing i did learn in a run i did yesterday, never go against aphro in a double boon room

was doing swell in tart, 280 health with epic aphro health regen. decide to pick hestia over aphro

worst mistake of my life girl please

[spare kite]

Aphro has always been ruthless in trials

[tired turret]

Does aphro still stun?

I did it but haven't let her hit me yet.lol

[shadow marsh]

No

[wind lake]

no, they have a silent, homing projectile that spawns 5 feet in front of you, does 19 damage with 20% damage vow

[tired turret]

Oh cool!

[shadow marsh]

In hades 1 it makes a very loud twinkly sound, it seems to be missing in this game

[wind lake]

i dont actually know if damage scales with region, but it was in tart so probably max dmg if it does

[glossy rivet]

guys would you rather take artificer or excellence + sorceress

[tired turret]

I know what sorceress is

Which are the others

[wind lake]

also if you did what i did and have like 40 enemies in the room, the projectile hides under the enemies until you get hit

[shadow marsh]

I play with the vow that primes mana for non commons so I'm taking artificer every time

[glossy rivet]

artificer is the minor into major find thing
and excellence improves blue rarity boon chance

[tired turret]

Ah! How does artificer work?

[wind lake]

prime mana vow+momus=profit

[tired turret]

Also I've noticed Zeus is so strong late and mid but weak early

[glossy rivet]

if you get a minor find reward (ash, psyche etc) you press a button and it turns the minor find thru rng into some major find (boon, hammer, etc)

[tired turret]

Neat!

[shadow marsh]

If you find ashes/psyche/nectar/bones you can press r2 to change it

Up to 3 times per night

[tired turret]

But only once per run?

I guess it can be upgraded to 3?

[wind lake]

that sounds quite nice actually. I might get rid of a damage arcana to take that.

whats requirements

[tired turret]

6 grasp

Most expensive card in the arcana atm iirc

Unless you consider the awakening requirements

[topaz meteor]

I ended Chronos in like 2 minutes, Poseidon legendary + arcana card (2 curses) + enemy in cast card + evil eye (20% dmg to foe who killed me) I HAVE NEVER SEEN CHRONOS HP BAR SHRED SO FAST

[wind lake]

yeah whats awakening

[faint shale]

Yes, i just tried it real quick. At least The furies arcana does. 13 damage per tick vs 10 without

[shadow marsh]

Take the 3 in the lower left

[wind lake]

also how do you get legendary boons, pure random chance? ive only seen two legendaries and they both really sucked for the build i was using

[wind lake]

wait i have the four in lower left for rerolls
so i just need the 6 then, nice

[spare kite]

Need specific pre reqs + luck

[topaz meteor]

Helps to get the codex! And get the rerolls asap

[tired turret]

You could hunt for it using unchosen boons are blocked

[spare kite]

If you want the boon list in-game, get all god keepsakes
Otherwise check steam guides for one

[tired turret]

Maybe with echos keepsake too

[shadow marsh]

Go to the book of shadows and check the boon list, it'll tell you the prereqs

[thin lantern]

FFFFFFFF- I almost beat 32 fear Eris, and then promptly died on the very, very last hit

[wind lake]

so thats why i dont have it

demeter hasnt shown up in like 8 runs so i havent gifted them

[spare kite]

Also the material cost is kinda
You have killed eris right

[wind lake]

yeah like 7 or 8 times

[shadow marsh]

My advice for eris is just have soot sprint. Makes the fight a joke as long as you can kill her adds and avoid bombs

[tall notch]

Were you Eos gaming?

[thin lantern]

I did. I just got dinged by two hits the entire fight, because her adds were harpies. Also just cheesing with Momus because I cannot be bothered to fight fair

[tall notch]

Eos counters Eris though

[glossy rivet]

whats a le good torch build for 24 heat

[thin lantern]

also 300% first hit is Death Defiance per room if you aren't running a Heph armor boon or something

[glossy rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643633434228686874/1241581791987634206/image.png?ex=664ab8a6&is=66496726&hm=a6ffd5af27f915e18748b6eed4fbf8a56c7be70128b9f0f1904fb44220c63f68& pink mist is good vs rebuke right

[thin lantern]

Eris isn't the problem. Losing like 4 DDs in Ephyra is

[faint shale]

You can cheese eris super easily by just hiding behind the red statue things. Makes the fight a cake walk, but its a boring way to play.

[tired turret]

Damn selene start...

[mystic bison]

Alright 16 fear for torches is secured, beat Eris too

It was not fun

[thin lantern]

I know. I had all the cheese strats, the problem is that I accidentally got winged by one bullet, lmao

[wind lake]

me when enemies added during boss are harder than boss itself 💀

[thin lantern]

also again, goddamned Ephyra is the problem

[shadow marsh]

I feel you. Those bucket sword guys and harpies suck before you have damage

[tall notch]

Are you doing 7 or 5 min deadline?

[mystic bison]

Harpies and Holehearts are the spawn of the devil

[spare kite]

Bucket dudes are evil

[tall notch]

If 7 min deadline you can get away with Demeter start for ultimate room safety

[spare kite]

Stay in the cast I beg you

[mystic bison]

Demeter on cast is a hard counter for the bucket dudes

[wind lake]

armored holehearts:i sleep
normal holehearts:tactical missile inbound

[thin lantern]

Demeter start for what boon?

[mystic bison]

The thing is that a lot of surface enemies have weird unorthodox movements, that's why bucket people and such throw people off

[thin lantern]

also, teleporting swords are the main one, and HARPIES

[tall notch]

Either attack or cast, both basically let you never get hit if you keep kiting. If you go cast try getting cyclone next to slow down projectiles

[mystic bison]

Teleporting swords are awful as well, and they are hard to spot too

[tall notch]

The way I'm trying to do 42 fear rn is highrolling demeter start with antler

[thin lantern]

Is onion survivable up here to just not take a +damage fear

[tall notch]

I don't know I avoid onion like the plague

[wind lake]

echo momenthttps://imgur.com/a/SJmkHd7

[thin lantern]

well wtf is a doable 32 fear

[mystic bison]

Can onion replace Selene?

[spare kite]

Lmao I got that yesterday too

[mystic bison]

Momus

[thin lantern]

I'm on momus, try reading

[wind lake]

schrodingers sacrifice, the boon is both alive and dead until its observed

[tall notch]

Are you good at handling revenants?

[thin lantern]

yeah, I'm fine with revenants.

[spare kite]

Harpies are like if ares's slicing shot lasted 10 seconds

[tall notch]

Then give me a sec I'll screenshot a good setup

[thin lantern]

AND if they could spam six of them

[mystic bison]

I didn't read the entire conversation no need to be disresprctful

[sullen void]

Can’t you start with hammer for surface runs in 32 fear? It lasted all the way to Eris for me

[thin lantern]

"disrespectful" whatever, dude

[plain fossil]

harpies in ephyra are currently kicking my ass as well on these surface torch runs that im currently doing

[mystic bison]

Lol

[bleak night]

What's going on here

[plain fossil]

its pretty hard to deal with 40% speed harpies when u have no build

[bleak night]

true, the Blade Rifts they do are really annoying + they also lunge at you

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1241744506945273977/image.png?ex=664b5030&is=6649feb0&hm=e089a085d1e2b542794ca4d322d57d8b131de822d8a775fc86a535c71bf1c0eb& try this with demeter start Eos @thin lantern

[thin lantern]

trying to beat 32 upstairs with whatever momus cheese just gets it out of the way, but ephyra eats every last goddamn one of my death defiances. I had a run with pos special, soot sprint, and hitch attack for origination, and still lost on the last hit due to having 0 DDs

[plain fossil]

oh right yea this server doing its thing again... tldr i turned off timer and turned on everything else for surface because harpies suck

[ocean ibex]

i really don't like how the harpies function. they float, so it can be tough to aim at them. their rings blend into the background and are hard to see, on top of them not disappearing when the harpies die

[tall notch]

If you want to play really safe you can do 9 min timer and add extra points to some other stuff

Like that thing which increases your first hit

[topaz meteor]

Guuuys what's a fun build with revaal, the skull grenades

[thin lantern]

that's what eats my defiances.

[ocean ibex]

aphrodite

[tall notch]

Then my setup isn't running it

[wind lake]

also holy moly ive just discovered you can dash while channeling torch basic attack.

im stupid for never trying but it feels so nice since ive literally always used special on torch

definitely gonna do a main attack build for torch now

[bleak night]

Surface will probs get changed numbers-wise since atm it's primed for being two areas

[ocean ibex]

force a low first hit with the fire

[spare kite]

Come to eos

[thin lantern]

also 7 minutes is perfectly fine, personally

[tall notch]

You can also cast while channeling

[dim fable]

Did they increase the final testaments to 24 fear, or is it just for sister blades

[wind lake]

this i did know yeah

[plain fossil]

yea im sure surface will get changed at some point obviously eris is way out of line for an a2 boss currently and the acts are both twice as big as underworld

[thin lantern]

huh? my sister blades are still missing testaments.

[wind lake]

i have seen the light, and it was split in twain

[small wyvern]

coming in late - high difficulty can make the game stressful or even frustrating, but please keep discussions about it friendly

[dim fable]

Mine appeared after the patch with 24 fear, huh

[thin lantern]

have to check again

[sour adder]

what mean the little blue arrow in the god door ?

[plain fossil]

but for right this instant i like turning the timer down and not having to stress out about finding the 0.5 inches of safe ground every zone

that said, i havent actually completed a 32 surface run yet im still working on it so i will defer to better ppl

[plain fossil]

means next zone

[thin lantern]

ah, thank the gods, I have epic mint condition and trusty shield, and poseidon special

[wind lake]

ah of course the one time i encounter a well of charon with the kiss of styx i cant afford it.

i need to throw a run just so i can get this prophecy

[sullen void]

For my successful 32 clear I turned the timer up to +5 for surface, found a seed which had hammer boon start, then restarted until I got a nice 2 hammer combo

[mystic bison]

Centaur heart took me 60+ runs to get

[thin lantern]

also. if I lose this again, I'm going to just keep restarting for Hephaestus start+Trusty Shield+max first hit damage to negate that fear

but I might win, I have double moonshot again

[bleak night]

Centaur Soul you mean ?

speaking of things I can't get, how do I get Barren from Chaos.

[dim fable]

Hmm, does torch have any good attack build, it feels really janky

[mystic bison]

The centaur thing that gives bonus hp from the well, whatever the name is

[bleak night]

@tall notch give your tips

[mystic bison]

Yeah post the best Eos build

[ocean ibex]

the best Eos build is using aspect of Mel

[spare kite]

Take a lot of chaos apparently (rng)

[bleak night]

Cold plays Torch at 5 min/area deadline 40 Fear regularly

[dim fable]

Eos, now i need to kill eris 2 more times

[mystic bison]

I wanna shift to Eos for 20 fear I dread playing Mel Aspect

[thin lantern]

5 min deadline sounds like absolute hell imo

[ocean ibex]

mel aspect is too slow to be used on higher fears

[bleak night]

Mel Aspect Torch is for meme builds

[thin lantern]

whew. died once on poly but squished him quick

[tall notch]

There are 2 ways of playing Eos. The safe way and the aggro way. For safety, you get Demeter and kite. For aggression, you start with passion dash and rush enemies down. You want to stack a good amount of max mana and ideally get either born gain or poseidon's mana regen

[mystic bison]

It's actually pretty fast the biggest problem is no stagger

[ocean ibex]

all of my torch clears are on mel

[thin lantern]

I hate playing momus though lmao

[mystic bison]

I got only 20 fear torch left I don't wanna torture myself with mel aspect

[thin lantern]

once I get the downstairs statue, I refuse to play that again

[dim fable]

I feel like there's always a weird delay between torch omega specials

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M91FJmPktw&t=1718s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SMlyKuDtRI these is how the safe and aggro Eos respectively play in rooms

[mystic bison]

No dash cancel out of torch specials also sucks

[thin lantern]

okay, so, Heph is just unbelievably good for 32 nonsense

[dim fable]

Thx boss

[split rapids]

is there a list for the required boons for legandaries?

[thin lantern]

Heph trivializes several fears entirely, so running rerolls for Trusty makes top right free fear 100% of the time

[dim fable]

Hephy defense is so broken

[ocean ibex]

trusty armor or wtv is the impervious boon, yeah?

[thin lantern]

additionally, mint condition on top of that takes care of a lot of stuff

[dim fable]

Imagine that with coarse grit

[thin lantern]

trusty armor is the one that primes magick to give you armor, which CAN eat the 300% damage hit, unlike Impervious. Impervious will NOT count that first hit.

[bleak night]

this one is pretty handy https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3243844568

[split rapids]

thanks

[tall notch]

Heph is also probably the best god if you want to run -100% healing

[bleak night]

Armor stacking, yep

[thin lantern]

That's what makes Mint Condition on its own incapable of saving your death defiances from oneshots

[mystic bison]

Is there a hammer list?

[thin lantern]

So the play is Trusty Shield first, and then Mint Condition, because Trusty means you can just remove constant +damage fears in favor of stacking +300% first hit

[bleak night]

You have the ingame boon list on your Night Book already by any chance ?

[thin lantern]

https://hades2-crossroads.vercel.app

[mystic bison]

Yes but I didn't know the hammers are listed there

[bleak night]

you can check there by going to the Nocturnal Arms tab, you can see it has an offerings button

[thin lantern]

check the link, that page has all the boons, hammers, etc

[mystic bison]

Ah ok didn't know that

[spare kite]

(You can also do this for charon wells items or dad/selene boons)

[sour adder]

not sure to understand what you mean by next zone ? i ahve two god option and one of them have small blue arrow and not the other one

[thin lantern]

Icarus, I love you, but please pause the timer if you're going to double spawn counts.

[bleak night]

Selene boons page is messy, just 20+ pages of the Path of Stars nodes

[thin lantern]

Protective Coating more like Protective GOATing

[spare kite]

I thought he did?
Or you mean before he starts helping

[thin lantern]

hm? no, during his event, the timer is active.

[spare kite]

Weird, artemis does pause it

[mystic bison]

For Dad boons Howling Soul or -50% adds are basically insta picks, otherwise I go for the 20% hp hit or whatever

[ocean ibex]

the small arrows means the boons have a higher chance of being a higher rarity

[spare kite]

-50% adds my beloved

[thin lantern]

Why is every Surface enemy kind of OP though? Like... Handsome Squidwards hit half the damn ship, barrels practically teleport with how far they go, teleporting swords just merk you like they're spamming Omega Dagger Attack

[spare kite]

Handsome squidwards???
The ones that do that weird aoe?

[mystic bison]

Surface way harder than Erebus and Oceanus, Thessaly might be the hardest biome im the entire game

[thin lantern]

barrel throwers are tanky af, and their barrels just carpet the entire room in eternal greek fire... harpies exist at all... the training dummies do 10 base damage

[thin lantern]

yeah lmao, they look like Handsome Squidward after arm day

[mystic bison]

Surface prob gonna get nerfed a lot, including bosses after more biomes are added

[thin lantern]

if you take the next-biome spawns, ephyra is by far the hardest in the entire game

ephyra because you have to survive that hellscape with barely a build, worse if you have onion

[sullen void]

are more biomes being added to surface? i was under the impression that olympus would be a whole nother route

[thin lantern]

it makes momus feel pathetic on 32 without a special boon.

[dim fable]

It makes ephyra way harder than thessaly tbh

[mystic bison]

Olympus will be the end point of the surface, likely biome 4

The next big update is gonna be all about the surface

[ivory panther]

i hate the dagger skeletons and the barrel guys, they just dont care about your cast

[dim fable]

The eyes and barrel thrower things are hell with 40% speed

[thin lantern]

Dammit, Charybdis, stop eating my Icarus shield :/

[mystic bison]

Ye I take it but Thesally has way less space to move around, oil zoning you out too etc

In Ephyra the pylons also help

[thin lantern]

and eyes/zombie houses with revs.

[dim fable]

Ye lmao

[sullen void]

can you start with hammer boon and reroll till you get double moonshot?

[dim fable]

Thats why i turn off timer for surface 32 fear, its too tedious

[thin lantern]

imo, what makes it easier is that the narrow corridor means you can funnel enemies instead of fighting from all sides.

[spare kite]

Sgg should just give us transistor's turn() mechanic to deal with revs

[mystic bison]

I still haven't done 32 fear there so maybe I will change my mind

[thin lantern]

YES, HAHA

[sour adder]

ty , and is this me who are very bad in hades 2 but i feel this game is way much harder then the firs tone ? i struggle os much to finish my first run compared to hades 1 . i feel i never do any dps

[spare kite]

Hi Poseidon

[dim fable]

And no more coffins

[thin lantern]

...Do the teleports on the swords have no tell, wtf?

[wind lake]

the tell is they always spawn behind you

and will always try to teleport

[spare kite]

Teleport looks odd yeah

[thin lantern]

I know the windup on the swing has one, but the teleport itself has barely any vfx.

[mystic bison]

Also I really hate Charybdis I still haven't mastered it

[bleak night]

the direction of the shockwaves ?

[dim fable]

You can hear audio cues amidst all that chaos?

[mystic bison]

Just in general, the tentacle movements are really weird, they spawn in random spots and sometimes out of view, the arrows they shoot etc

I end up taking a few hits which is brutal on higher fear

[bleak night]

I'm getting tired of doing these runs to get the Luigi kill, so I'll take a break. I've done at least 16 I think

[wind lake]

Im unsure if its harder or easier, i think on hades it took me like 30 some runs before i beat it while this one it took me 22, but i couldve done it on run like 15 if i knew how phase 2 worked.

but then again i have hades 1 experience

[thin lantern]

HA GOT ERIS. FINALLY.

[wind lake]

lets go

[thin lantern]

vfx, visual, not audio.

I won JUST BEFORE ending up on my Skelly defiance lmao

[dim fable]

Oh mb, just cast to counter swords

[wind lake]

yeah for me the swords are a consistent enemy, i know they will teleport so when they dissappear i dash immediately without looking to see where they went.

[thin lantern]

Luigi kill?

[wind lake]

do nothing and win

[ocean ibex]

luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing

[pearl lotus]

almost threw a run because I decided to take a Apollo/Hestia duo boon for Prophecy. Got saved by Hestia in Charon's shop giving me Burnt Offering

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1241565604188655687/image.png?ex=664aa993&is=66495813&hm=1e88746303e9c82db8a6a19d1739d5e0e76fc57ff0fae89cf5da71c1a76c5a42&

[thin lantern]

yeah but how do you build that in this game kekw

[wind lake]

OH MY GOODNESS

[thin lantern]

ah. lmao.

[bleak night]

I still lost

[wind lake]

how, how do, what, how

[thin lantern]

so that's what queen's ransom is for, lmao

[bleak night]

because I didn't have Coarse Grit to eat the 990 damage instakill from phase 2

[mystic bison]

Hera Zeus duo

[wind lake]

I see

[thin lantern]

*Hera Zeus

[wind lake]

that makes sense actually

[mystic bison]

Yep mistype

[dim fable]

Lmao, did you get hestia apollo duo as well

[bleak night]

Nope, sadly soft cap is 3 gods, so I'm trying to limit to Hera-Demeter-Zeus

[dim fable]

Sadge

[bleak night]

whenever I get lucky with Zeus boon count in order to sacrifice into Queen's Ransom, I have no Coarse Grit to survive Chronos instakills

[thin lantern]

@tall notch yo, uh, what's your arcana too

[wind lake]

dodge chance and pray it only dodges the instakills lmao

[thin lantern]

I had a four god run, but that requires hitting 3 and getting god keepsake

[bleak night]

there was a time I had a level 19 Nasty Comeback + Coarse Grit, but I only had like 175 HP because I didn't luck into Centy Hearts/Souls

[ocean ibex]

you can get up to 6 gods

[bleak night]

you technically can, yeah, but you almost never find that god again

in a god tier run I can do Demeter 4th god and if I'm lucky, I will get Coarse Grit in one go

[ocean ibex]

it's not usually good to get 6 gods, but you can do it

[mystic bison]

3 god limit is not bad tbh, you generally don't need more than that so it's less rng to play around with

[bleak night]

but that's also luck in my part

if I had my way, Aphro start with Life Affirmation early on, then Hera and Zeus

then Demeter 4th and grab Coarse Grit, but that's too rare

I want this Luigi kill badly, but man whenever it seems like it'll align it just doesn't

[thin lantern]

RNGesus is the fifth god you need

[wind lake]

how close has it gotten

[bleak night]

Like 25% hp 2nd phase

[wind lake]

you can do it, i believe

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1241753446395281470/image.png?ex=664b5884&is=664a0704&hm=627bd1ddf428138154fec523cc0bfafe3d410c6f7f501a88eedf77f83711d52b& this for antler, replace strength with furies+titan+wayward son without antler

[bleak night]

the game doesn't let you damage return the instakill

[wind lake]

im assuming its undodgeable as well

[bleak night]

which tbh makes sense lol

[bleak night]

I drop my controller, so no lol

[wind lake]

no i mean dodge chance, like hermes/arcana

[bleak night]

You could dodge it, yeah, but that hasn't happened for me yet

[wind lake]

thats the only way it could be, stack dodge chance a bit and then pray it procs

[bleak night]

I can try again after a few meme runs to relax, because I'm kinda tired of trying to get it atm

[thin lantern]

Antler sounds like I'd never make it out of Oceanus, I'm so bad at eating hits... Lul.

[wind lake]

fair

[glossy rivet]

bruh want to try charon axe with apollo and zeus and i rerolled a chamber 8 times and cant get either to show up
then the run gave me only attack hammers

[thin lantern]

It's dodgeable. I got a dodge once

[bleak night]

Like, it's not like other runs where I die early on and then try again. I get to Chronos every single time and then die because my build isn't tanky enough to damage-return kill

[glossy rivet]

how do i counter bad luck bros

[thin lantern]

Sacrifice a goat

[wind lake]

wait do you luigi every encounter too?

[glossy rivet]

got me tilted enough to just turn on god mode for the rest of the run

[bleak night]

For the past 16 runs? Yeah

[wind lake]

[bleak night]

I just drop controller whenever I fight Chronos, yep

[wind lake]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-solid-gif-24704841

[bleak night]

Here's a run where I didn't. It's not as funny because I'm healing and walking away from the instakill, but he does take all his damage from my damage return https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240852449934184568/Why_are_you_hitting_yourself_gramps_reduced_filesize.mp4?ex=66481165&is=6646bfe5&hm=37a303fb2d0236486266fb657c3c20b1461a46a941c248bd6306628fbe30f0ef

[glossy rivet]

also apaprently rare crop wont troll me by choosing an already heroic boon so thats some consolation at least

[wind lake]

rare crops seems so so good in like oceanus but I cannot get demeter for the life of me

[ionic lily]

Man, everytime I decide to try for a 32 fear run, the game decides to give me a selene start

[tall notch]

Yeah for antler I really need demeter+heph in god pool

[thin lantern]

And then you have two hits? Lmao

[wind lake]

I dub thee, Ehttps://imgur.com/a/tjQCGEB

[dim fable]

Hermes + aphro infusion once helped me dodge the instakill twice in a row kek

[wind lake]

ayy lets go

[bleak night]

is that the play

[thin lantern]

The RNG version of coarse grit lmao

[bleak night]

stack dodge chance + Daze

[wind lake]

i think dodge chance and just praying to rng to only dodge the instakills

[mystic bison]

Can the onion replace Selene?

[dim fable]

But tbh sometimes the hitbox for the circle to dodge instakill still sometimes feel inaccurate

[ionic lily]

Instead of hitch, kill cronos via the apollo dodge dmg

[timber pawn]

Honestly this is still really something

[bleak night]

needs to be better

You can always optimize meme runs

[wind lake]

meme runs arent funny until they work, tried and proven

and they are really funny when they work

[bleak night]

Pink_Aura.mp4 moment

[dim fable]

What about a sprint run

[bleak night]

already did that one

[wind lake]

whats pink aura?

[bleak night]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[wind lake]

what in the actual

[dim fable]

Lmao the heart throbs

[wind lake]

oh my lord

[dim fable]

I'll just try that for the last torch testament

[spare kite]

Heartrob is such a fun boon

[tall notch]

Antler Eos is capable of killing normal enemies before they unfreeze, that's partially what the Demeter is for

[summer sorrel]

Can someone tell me if Blitz is considered a "lightning strike effect" for the Double Strike boon?

[dim fable]

Everything from artemis is so good, truly best girl

[rough oracle]

hey. i kinda suck at videogames and im struggling with the torches you get. axe, staff, daggers on controller are ok, but torches suck so much for me. my friend says they are good, but they are on mnk. is it just the controller thing or do i suck??

[bright viper]

i wish artemis attack still xisted

[blazing trail]

Also having major troubles with the torches

[oak lance]

have you guys had good hestia runs? i got over 100k burn stacks but it does almost nothing cause the dot is flat 40 😭

[rough oracle]

i was descent on all weapons in hades on switch (up to 10 heat, then i got tired and lost all skill)
and toches give me such a nightmare

[oak lance]

got close to killing* chronos last run with torch. just never used attack all together and sticked to special. seems to do better for me

[rough oracle]

cant restore mana while attacking coz it tries charging it up
the aim is kinda sucky on controller
so is it just skill issue or?

[tall notch]

You can work with controller aim by positioning or getting Hera on attack so that hitch hits everything anyway

[rough oracle]

but isnt it supposed to be like the ranged weapon of choice like bow?

[vital jackal]

do you have any viable mid-high fear build

[rough oracle]

when swarmed i have to dash and then it just turns me around and somehow changing taagerts is hard

[tall notch]

This @vital jackal

[rough oracle]

i know mnk offers more accuracy

[shadow marsh]

Air quality is p much the only way to make scorch feel good to use

[wind lake]

scorch auto ignite is also decent with demeter

get 90% scorch damage at 300 and then hestia cast+special

[bleak fox]

Hello everyone

[bleak night]

hiya

[bleak fox]

what do you think the best build now?
I have found that aphrodite on daggers with dedal hammer for the returning projectiles is extremely good
Smth like 2k damage per cast on Eris

[bleak night]

Poseidon Momus seems to be the most consistent

[bleak fox]

I thought that Momus is not working when I tried it. If it is working, could you please explain, how it is working?

[dim fable]

I got that exact build, even with hestia legendary and it still felt like quite a chore

[bleak night]

In essence, you kind of just spam Poseidon Special on it and then work towards getting more Poseidon boons to get King Tide (the legendary), then you hope the Hammers help your Special spam. It's just you pressing Special and dodging enemy attacks

[keen wren]

fast spam special. You do need to upgrade the aspect to get the most out of it. You also want double special form hammer and all the meta cards

[bleak fox]

I was using omega special on the Momus but there was no heal o_O

[vital jackal]

thanks

[keen wren]

it only heals when youre below 50%

[bleak fox]

Yes, I was using it with 80/200 or smth like this
a bit strange

[keen wren]

but that's not even why it's so good. it gives a flat +X to special

[bleak fox]

where I can take a look on meta cards?

[keen wren]

You need to be quite close to the impact of the omega blast

[keen wren]

look for any of the recent speedruns (sub 7 minutes)

[spare kite]

Y'know I just realized
Did they fix the judgement/night bloom bug yet lol

[bleak fox]

Thanks a lot

[bleak night]

don't think so

[dim fable]

Whats that

[keen wren]

the what bug

[spare kite]

Reviving the sirens triggers judgement again

So you get free cards

[bleak night]

you can get 15 cards off of the Scylla fight, in essence

[keen wren]

oh.

[dim fable]

Lmao

[bleak fox]

Woow
Sounds so sick

[dim fable]

I think they did

Been having fun with judgement recently

[bleak fox]

Is there any good build for axe cyclone?

[dim fable]

Thanatos aspect?

[steel sequoia]

feels hard to play eris path with it for me

[dim fable]

Ah no, that sucks for surface

Net loss compared to just using arcanas normally

[shadow marsh]

Than aspect, aphro/apollo/demeter on the attack, enjoy your free win

[steel sequoia]

we should have 2 or 3 presets for arcana, is so boring swapping all the time

[keen wren]

THIS

[bleak fox]

why demeter?

[dim fable]

Freeze, free window to charge spin

[bleak fox]

I remember I was able to find good hammers on cyclone with apollo... it was so satisfying

[shadow marsh]

Maxed out Than aspect is 20% crit on everything which is crazy

[dim fable]

I wanna try a run with the hammer that throws the spin

[shadow marsh]

Rn that's bugged with than aspect, you'll only get 1% crit no matter how many times it hits

[dim fable]

That sucks

[bleak fox]

Is demeter really works on chronos

[dim fable]

It does

[shadow marsh]

It slows his movement by a lot, his attacks still come out with the same speed

[dim fable]

Hope for a faster omega chaos boon and youre good

[bleak night]

Than Axe needs that bugfix

[dim fable]

Unrelated but there's also a bug where youre stuck in an animation frame after using moon water

[bleak night]

It's kinda funny

floating fetal position to assert dominance

[dim fable]

Ye lmao

Also chronos somehow can delete your skulls if not collected

[keen wren]

he wut

[glossy rivet]

bro how do i finish trial of heartache

[keen wren]

that sounds like a bug

[quaint orchid]

What do you use star dust for

[spare kite]

Learn eris patterns

[dim fable]

Ye, a funny bug

[dawn token]

Im urging everyone to try Nova strike, Heart Breaker, Sunny disposition and Explosive ambush on twin sisters, its insane

[spare kite]

Pet treats/moon powder/upgrade death defiance to lvl 3

[quaint orchid]

There are pets? 💀

[steep musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1196328759024947301/1241769043036471297/image.png?ex=664b670a&is=664a158a&hm=e269747b2bef2b15b33fefa8a43d410c3360cb2bb81c3e35e737cd5f41199db1& happy times

[spare kite]

and the cat that you see in erebus fountain rooms

[bleak fox]

where can I find it? 😄

[quaint orchid]

Oo that cat

[keen wren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijmdjt6FpOM

[keen wren]

Also Frinos the frog

[keen wren]

which then only spawns ||on the surface near the docks||

[steep musk]

just got 75% backstab damage too from back burner

[dim fable]

Frinos is goated

[spare kite]

Frinos is great

[quaint orchid]

What do they do

Do they actually do something or do they just follow u around

[dim fable]

How have i not seen that after 60h lmao

Even tho i got her alr

[quaint orchid]

It is mandatory to pet the cat

[sour adder]

any weapon sugestion for first win ? i struggle a lot to make a first win in hdes 2 . i feel this is way harder compare to the first one

[spare kite]

Frinos blocks bullets for you/free use of the tablet of peace (and extra hp)

Cat gives a death defiance/auto fishing/attacks enemies if you sprint into her

[keen wren]

you actually sont want to pet the cat when you wanna recruit her

[quaint orchid]

True

[keen wren]

the cat also attacks if you sprint at her

[spare kite]

Yeah I put the defiance part twice lmao

[keen wren]

whoops

i think she alway does 99 dmg

unless ||you upgrade her with cookies||

[spare kite]

Frinos can also do dmg with some upgrades but is more of a meme

[brittle prairie]

I didnt unlock them til 50 nights in 💀

[dim fable]

Frinos is mostly there for morale support

[spare kite]

Nah frinos bullet blocking is goated

[glossy rivet]

how do i use glamour gain while using eos torches man i gotta hug the enemy while letting off from omega attacking

[quaint orchid]

can he block Hecate sheep curse

[spare kite]

Yup

[glossy rivet]

also i keep getting charybdis smh

[dim fable]

Yes, hard counter to her

[spare kite]

Hecate also has voice lines for that if it happens

[tulip heath]

Yeah then she yells at the frog 😭

[spare kite]

She gets annoyed at both familiars doing their thing lmao

My sister in moon, you gave us the incantation

Also idk what the trigger for the incantation is anyways, I got it w/o issues but ofc isn't as clear

[brittle prairie]

+40 HP isnt just empty words

[spare kite]

My guess is having used all tools at least once? And have met the cat in the fountain room

[timber pawn]

Glamor gain definitely not great on torches, are you doing the chaos trial?

[fading swallow]

i just got the incantation myself, i think it just has to do with upgrading the tablet to level 2, meeting the cat and doing a few runs

[errant thistle]

Any idea how to beat the trial of haste? I think 5 minutes is way to low

[limpid girder]

Anyone got a good recommendation for the default staff?

[steep musk]

fastest cerberus fight ive done with the attack https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1196328759024947301/1241770156426924162/Hades_II_2024-05-19_10-10-40.mp4?ex=664b6814&is=664a1694&hm=2572e0b88ee0a1f6990571f3491f7fc605088246d7e8cbb2c6b4fda08b644f78&

[mystic bison]

If you are talking about the familiar incantation, you def don't need to upgrade the tablet to rank 2

[fading swallow]

that's how i got it so idk

[timber pawn]

Upgrade the keepsake all the way and don't get hit during the mobbing sections

[mystic bison]

All my tools were lvl 1 when I got the incantion, it was very early game

[steep musk]

it's when* you got it

[fading swallow]

nerd'

[steep musk]

https://tenor.com/view/acid-army-steve-minecraft-gif-26003069

[errant thistle]

dang

[fading swallow]

im fully convinced aspect of persephone doesn't work

[bleak night]

Glory thingie ?

[fading swallow]

yes

[bleak night]

Glory just builds too slowly and you use it up by Omega Special'ing

[brisk gazelle]

whast the general census of what the best weapon is? i know its all about playstyle and timing but whats everyone thinking is the best weapon to use to beat the game?

[bleak night]

just pretend it doesn't exist, in all honesty, and use it for the Omega Special damage +30%

[timber pawn]

You have Uhhh perfect encounter or whatever the 'do more damage before you take damage' boon is. I focused on the omega attack to clear

[bleak night]

Staff rn, for sure

[mystic bison]

Glory is unimportant the main thing is the great omega special dmg boost

[fading swallow]

alright

[lusty heron]

momus is pretty broken

[fading swallow]

that being said any ideas for a persephone build then

[lusty heron]

focussing on special

[mystic bison]

Glory will get reworked in the future and we'll find out how to use it

[errant thistle]

Yeah I noticed too, I line up the enemies with the omega attack to clear faster. But I run out of magic fast tho

[steep musk]

anybody have suggestions for what olympian to grab next?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1074098713309495336/1241772468901908570/image.png?ex=664b6a3b&is=664a18bb&hm=884aa446e86541211f965ac594d619f1433e385918d3084d8fb0a57746fd324b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1221&height=687

[fading swallow]

apollo special

[timber pawn]

When I ran out I'd spam special and pray lol

[steep musk]

it's there already and i dont like it nor is this a special build

[fading swallow]

yeah i was joking

[steep musk]

oh :)

[bleak night]

3 is the soft cap, so probably just go into Tartarus with a keepsake that'll help you for the final fight, getting a 4th that appears only once won't really help you that much

[steep musk]

cool

[glossy rivet]

ya its pain

[keen wren]

yeah i would just take luckier tooth if youre worried about dying and if not just anything that inceases dmg like white antler or some

[steep musk]

i now have 5 death defies for chronos

[keen wren]

6 if you had cat lol

[mystic bison]

Just checked and run 12 was the first time I had Frinos on, so very early

[steep musk]

yeah no familiars yet

[spare kite]

God damn that's early

[keen wren]

yeah i had frinos hella early too. I guess people play the game and dont get incantations idk

[steep musk]

oh and 10x moon water uses for 35 hp each

[bleak night]

damn, mine was like 20s or something

[spare kite]

Could depend on your main story progress too
Kill grandpa too early and they all start mentioning him while neglecting everything else

[fading swallow]

got every single incantation i could every time

took me until night 50 to get it

[bleak night]

I still have one keepsake at level 1 and 2 at level 2

I should probs just wrap it up and max them all out or something

[keen wren]

that hex is so stupid op sometimes. I had a 15 moon water one time up agaiant chronos.

[quaint orchid]

What keepsakes you guys use

[fading swallow]

i beat chronos on night 20-25 (i forgor)

[mystic bison]

It has something to do with the tools, smth like facing Hecate with most of them once (or just the tablet idk)

I equipped tool by tool (except the rod) as soon as I got them so I never had the problem with the incantation unlocking

[bleak night]

for what part of the run ?

[quaint orchid]

all of em

[fading swallow]

oh wait.

[quaint orchid]

Lol

[fading swallow]

yes that is exactly it i never equipped the fishing rod

[keen wren]

depends on the weapon and aspect

[fading swallow]

i only equipped it the one time hecate mentioned familiars and i got the incantation and it was entirely by accident

[bleak night]

God keepsake -> Chaos -> Experimental Hammer/Chaos still if I wanna reroll -> Luckier Tooth/Lion Fang/Blackened Fleece

[mystic bison]

Eris first victory is run 20 and for Kronos run 27 for me

Run numbers for Kronos are inflated tho cause I did Chaos Trials and surface runs before that and those count as full runs

[keen wren]

white antlers is the meta tho 40% crit is insane

[mystic bison]

Not very useful outside of speedrunning tbh

[timber pawn]

Relevant in high heat too if you're shooting for 5 min deadline

[mystic bison]

True

[keen wren]

you dont have to be fast to do crit. what

[mystic bison]

White antler massively increases clear speed that's the main reason for using it

[keen wren]

sure bit you said it's useless if youre not speedrunning which is not true

[quaint orchid]

I wouldnt trust myself to not die at 30 hp

[mystic bison]

Unless running on the clock most people don't wanna cripple their hp for 40% crit

[bright viper]

whats a good build using blitz

[thin lantern]

White antler has such a high skill threshold I doubt I could ever use it without Hephaestus, Coarse Grit, and the Onyx Dress lmao

Like... Man, really? Running at the "die in 1-2 hits" threshold for the entire run? Sure you get Strength DR and a lot of arcana space, but that sounds vicious.

[keen wren]

that's fair but that doesnt mean it's useless. It's massive damage if people are too afraid to use it that's their problem not the keepsake's

[thin lantern]

I guess if you're abusing Strength and stacking DR sources you can get something really good going. Like run Dem-Heph, Trusty Shield, Coarse Grit, Mint Condition

That makes it free dps for most rooms, because trusty shield eats the 300% damage fear for you

*and so does grit mid run, that eats everything and armor stacking can get you places

[mystic bison]

Most people would find no use in it because it requires playing essentially hitless, most players are nowhere near skilled for that

[keen wren]

again you're talking about how people feel not how the keepsake works... it's whatever man agree to disagree

[thin lantern]

It's useless if you're not high skill, at least, or very lucky rolling for grit

[mystic bison]

Because people decide whether the keepsake is useful to them or not

[thin lantern]

Man, centaur heart becoming a run kill is hilarious though.

How often does that happen to antler mains?

[keen wren]

just put the no healing fear on

[thin lantern]

Imagine, you have one door centaur and you're out of door rerolls...

[thin lantern]

Oh wait. Does no heal negate hearts, or just make them empty health I guess

[mystic bison]

I didn't say the keepsake doesn't have a purpose or an efficient way to use it, or course that's not true

[thin lantern]

Do you just get max health empty like centaur souls

[keen wren]

yea it just increases max hp no healing at all

[thin lantern]

Imagine though, full meme: Momus 60 health max, get damaged down and heal up to 30 KEKW

[keen wren]

yeah that's why all speedrunners put no heal fear rn

[spare kite]

You do get the +25hp afaik unless it was changed

[bleak fox]

thanks a lot

[thin lantern]

Incredibly stupid, but I wonder if that's viable with enough DR.

[ivory panther]

how many sources of DR can we even get?

[keen wren]

then that's a horrible bug

[thin lantern]

Antler is going to suck leveling for me though. I'm bad enough to lose poseidon momus runs to Chronos

[ivory panther]

50% from arcana, 15% from aphro/pos duo, and 10% from heph mana regen boon?

[keen wren]

DR is damage reduction?

[thin lantern]

Hmmm. Poseidon prime, Heph gain, Poseidon Aphro duo... Ignoring god mode, but I know there are more. 50% from arcana yeah

[ivory panther]

yeh

[bleak fox]

Where I can find the legendary list with the requirements? can not open it in game when you are choosing the gift

[spare kite]

Not a bug, is increasing your max life so it increases the number, not "heal"
Also stuff like momus healing (lol) or that one staff hammer should still work

[thin lantern]

I think you can legitimately exceed god mode cap with that, if it's additive.

[keen wren]

there's the hera infusion for 6 eath that caps damage at 15

[spare kite]

DR is multi

[thin lantern]

*Demeter, coarse grit. But we're talking % DR

[keen wren]

Momus still heals you???

[ivory panther]

slap that with demeter infusion so every hit is 15

[thin lantern]

Dammit! No 85% meme.

[keen wren]

ah yea demeter

[thin lantern]

What's the actual DR value from all of them... Hmm

[spare kite]

Yeah, it worked like this for stuff like cursed slash or guan yu spin in H1 too

[thin lantern]

Problem is, if you're gritting up DR is useless above 15 damage, it applies to final damage

[urban pendant]

Depends, if the %DR is calculated before Demeter it doesn't matter

[keen wren]

it's so funny seeing chronos chraging up his one shot and im like yea ill eat that 15 dmg thank you

[ivory panther]

imagine if they made DR apply after coarse grit... would be funny

[thin lantern]

HMMMMMM. You can get like 66% DR actually.

[ivory panther]

the arcana alone would turn most damage into 8 or 7 per hit depending on how it rounds

[keen wren]

im sure it's an if { } else { } situation in the code

[thin lantern]

Correct. It calcs before grit. So you can have 65.5% multiplicative DR before grit, anything at 15 natural damage will be 5 basically

[thin lantern]

Or coarse grit overrides it like that. Doesn't matter. Either way they don't stack that way

But 66% DR is still kinda funny.

[ivory panther]

heph should give more DR boons

[thin lantern]

Not as funny: The demon RNG needed to get pos, heph, and aphro to cough up all those boons

At that point just pray to Demeter. It's easier.

[worthy quartz]

high rolling a twin knives special build rn this is so nuts

[tall notch]

Heph has enough defense stuff as is trust me lol

[ivory panther]

id say heph has abit too much defense stuff

[thin lantern]

I wish the armor damage boon didn't feel like a dead slot, but yeah his defense boons are pretty cracked. Trusty shield alone straight up invalidating 300% first hit is great

It's functionally a single hit shield that actually counts the hit, far as I can tell.

Mint Condition is overall more useful, especially with poms/rarity (why can this damn thing be pommed wtf), but trusty is nice for fear cheesing

[ivory panther]

kinda wish heph had boons that did some more stuff with armor

like he gives alot of armor, but doesnt change the behaviour of it in any way.... and as the god of smithing

[thin lantern]

I want an Explosive Plating boon that makes every hit to armor blast enemies, but Icarus already took that

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1241778538571628665/hecate.mp4?ex=664b6fe2&is=664a1e62&hm=bc31720c46f311ee193a09a445a4cc598f5176b9872ce9aa9de1a625f9c572be& does she ever run off and do her intermission off-center of the map for you guys?

[spare kite]

Lmao, report that

[quaint orchid]

It’s like a 4000 explosion right

[keen wren]

looks like a bug lol

[thin lantern]

Also armor kinda feels like you have to snowball it early to have more than literally the one hit.

[tall notch]

I turned the game off already, can you do bug reports in any other way than f10?

[thin lantern]

Yeah. I do prefer his 80 armor impervious boon though. Nerd bf has the best gift for surprise Charybdis/Eris

[solar mountain]

which weapon and boon combination is really strong

[knotty fulcrum]

what's a good charon aspect build?

[brittle prairie]

Taking off the aracnea keepsake removing all armor from ot sucks too like, imagine if unequipping the god boon keepsakes undid the rarification of the boon you grabbed

[thin lantern]

Wait, it does? It shouldn't, considering it's the only one to work like that if that's the case

[ivory panther]

i was kinda hoping he did something like giving armor if you procced his Blasts.... Or what about increasing his Blasts based on how much armor you got?

[brittle prairie]

Yeah it does

[thin lantern]

It really shouldn't be doing that. Have you put it in feedback or f10

[spare kite]

You can just do the description well enough, doesn't matter much if the image doesn't match (next time you play I mean)
Tho I think you can email them or smth? Prob check #h1-tech-fixes or pinned messages in #h2-tech-support

[brittle prairie]

not personally but people have reported it

[ivory panther]

every 1 armor is a 1% increase to blast damage

[slate zodiac]

Shame it mostly doesn't matter

[cunning dove]

Any tip for high fear torches? It's the only weapon im struggling with atm. I have mel and eos aspect maxed

[tall notch]

How high we talking?

[cunning dove]

32

[slate zodiac]

For Mel Torches go Aphro special

For Eos go Hera Attack+Magick unless you're doing 40+

[keen wren]

yea i was just surprised

[tall notch]

Hera start on Eos probably does the trick here. Alternatively start with Demeter cast and play it really safe (though you might wanna go longer timer for that)

[cunning dove]

Thanks, I think it's a skill issue for now more than a build issue. With mel I tend to get hit way too much in non-boss rooms whereas with eos I fail to do enough single target damage

[slate zodiac]

Prioritize Hera's Magick (Born Gain)

[mystic bison]

So born gain first pick for Eos?

[slate zodiac]

Imo Born Gain is really really good for any attack focused Torches

[tall notch]

Either born gain or the attack start work, though if you start with attack you'll want to try and get born gain as soon as you can and take every max mana increase until then

[slate zodiac]

Born Gain helps drastically with Torch DPS it's not even funny

[mystic bison]

Born Gain start probably way safer

No one guarantees when you get Hera next and with no mana it's crippling

[tall notch]

I like the attack for 5 min deadline but if you're not doing that born gain is prob better

[cunning dove]

Good to know, I didn't know mana was THAT valuable

[slate zodiac]

Your channeled Attack costs 5 Magick per ghost lol

[tall notch]

The omega does way more damage than normal attack and you can't passively regen while channeling

[mystic bison]

I don''t think I'll ever do that high fear to neccessitate 5min timer for torches, farthest I'll go is 20 fear which is the only one that's left for me

Undecided if I should go Mel or Eos, thoughts?

[cunning dove]

Yeah makes a lot of sense

[slate zodiac]

Eos is way better imho

[tall notch]

I'd suggest Eos but I might be mildly biased

[slate zodiac]

I think the torch strength goes Eos > Moros > Mel

[brittle prairie]

Eos is really just double damage on the attack if you play your cards right

[slate zodiac]

More than double if you can continuously channel omega attack+dash

[mystic bison]

I just want to have an easier time, I dread playing Mel because there is no stagger on the special, and you can't dash cancel it

On low fear this is no problem but it's way more of an issue later on

[brittle prairie]

thats not counting the additive damage passive either

[slate zodiac]

Eos is literally the easiest and best torch

[mystic bison]

Nice

[slate zodiac]

You hold attack and occasionally press Dash. You rarely use special unless you wanna apply a debuff

[brittle prairie]

you just need to draw a line between you, your opponent and the ghosts when you dash

thats it

[mystic bison]

Yeah I'll go Eos for sure

[tall notch]

Eos has solid burst and good AoE but lacks sustained single target unless you get your mana regen machine going

[lusty heron]

how high does eos scale with levels ?

[mystic bison]

Thank God for born gain

[slate zodiac]

Way back on Launch people said Moros was the best and I was hella confused. I had to convince everyone I talked to that Eos was better - which seems to be the common consensus nowadays

[glossy rivet]

how do u eos for the chaos trials? do i need to pom up galmor gain or smth

[tall notch]

Poseidon, Apollo and surprisingly Demeter work too

Though none quite as efficient as born gain

[brisk gazelle]

when do we get the hammer upgrades i know we can get it twice per run but what stages useally?

[slate zodiac]

Consider: Apollo Magick+Demeter's "omega cast follows"

[tall notch]

I played close range and relied on passion dash for damage in that one

[glossy rivet]

do u spam dash while firing at 0 magic basically

[mystic bison]

Yeah I love Pos gain too, usually my second choice if I fail to secure Hera

Demeter is kinda annoying tho imo

[tall notch]

The way I use Apollo's is put a cast down under myself during an intermission or between mob spawns, so I don't need that thing from Demeter

[slate zodiac]

Oh I know it's not necessary, it's just food for thought. Might be okay on Axe

[fading swallow]

anyone know a good skull build pretty pls

[glossy rivet]

i mean isnt aphro dash damage like 50 thats a trial of patience right there whittling enemies with it
also am i guaranteed to face charybdis in the trial or what

[fading swallow]

i only ever play attack centric builds on every single weapon and i wanna try something else out

[slate zodiac]

Persephone/Mel

Hera Attack

Medea uses Aphro on Attack/Special

[glossy rivet]

i think they fixed charybdis projectiles disappearing

[tall notch]

Now I kinda wanna try it on Than axe with Zeus cast, that 2 boon combo is a stronger psychic whirlwind that does actually give you crit chance unlike that hammer

[fading swallow]

thank youu

[reef agate]

Shame there is no victory boasting screen from Eris, had really good setup going where every omega special took like 5% of her HP bar

[tall notch]

Passion dash can hit large enemies twice somewhat consistently

• you'll get some percent increases from Aphro + your attack will do some damage