h2-builds-and-combat

[astral flicker]

You can Pom it but the percentage for weapons probably doesn’t work with it

[shell swan]

King Tide exists though, so at the very least splash does work with a percentage damage increase

And evil eye says damage dealt to last foe, not just weapon damage

[astral flicker]

Yeah that would probably apply

[tall notch]

I feel like there aren't enough eos attack build believers here. Feels a bit lonely out here in the believer club

[cobalt lark]

i still haven't given it a proper shot! i only just unlocked eos yesterday, it was the last aspect i unlocked, and i haven't upgraded it at all yet

[astral flicker]

It takes effort to learn new weapons so people sleep on it

They won’t give mel a bow for reasons, there is a dialog with od

[cobalt lark]

extremely funny dialogue

[shell swan]

Eos is solid but I feel like it’s reliant on born gain, it’s what I used for my torch testaments

[livid tartan]

Give torch hit stun and it'd be totally fine

[cobalt lark]

though i deeply miss the bow it was my fave weapon by a mile in h1

[tall notch]

Poseidon works too if you're not doing tight deadline 3

[topaz pelican]

Tried them at fear 8 and it was great and fun to play (I made the mistake of taking the hammer which split your attacks and it was weaker thought)

You convinced me of their strenght at least. So thank you

[shell swan]

Split is fine, you just need to dash sideways more

Split destroys Cerberus and Scylla but it’s definitely like barely better for chronos

[topaz pelican]

I had the revenants on, so I would have preferred without the split (and I felt it would have been smoother).

[oblique nova]

So uh, I just noticed that Demeter's Freeze curse is different from Cyclone curse?? I just had Origination trigger from both Demeter attack and cyclone-cast-buff (not the other one)

[tall notch]

Yeah for revenants you really want to tailor your dashes to them

So split is bad

[steep heron]

are there any good duo boons for momus?

[tall notch]

Hestia and Poseidon

[steep heron]

ooh, right, the steam

completely forgot about it

[astral flicker]

i still dont have poseidon on my codex after my 32 fear run

really weird considering i have his keepsake

[bleak night]

that's weird. have you tried giving him more Nectar?

[astral flicker]

think i did

probably going to bug report it next time i boot up the game

[bleak night]

I just realized you could see the list of hammer boons in the Book of Night

[glossy rivet]

anyone know of a good skull build for 20 fear?

[astral flicker]

thats huge and i dont have to go to a guide for it

[steep heron]

i know getting their boon list in the fated list requires 2 nectar

[exotic heath]

any advice for easy builds? im still struggling getting to chronos, only fought him once and got my butt kicked :S

[astral flicker]

well i should try to gift nectar more then

[jade cairn]

Ok this gonna shock everyone lolz. The Argent Skull is actually a melee weapon. Its not a range weapon. When u attack close by you can immediately absorb the skull again and use them. It's so powerful. Try it as a melee, and also utilize your magik special for speed.

[astral flicker]

do you have momus unlocked?

[shell swan]

Aphro special + special spam

[exotic heath]

no aspects so far, i just got the skulls unlocked

[jade cairn]

Staff and poseidon special. Daedalus hammer get the one that attack two foes at once. U can deal damage from far away.

[astral flicker]

uh do more runs and it should show up an option to unlock aspects upgrading in the pot

[bleak night]

I suppose it depends. There's one Aspect for it that's 100% meant to be played like that

[exotic heath]

oh that sounds fun ill try that 😄

[glossy rivet]

aspect? persephone skull?

sus

[steep heron]

medea makes explosions coming from the player so you have to be up close

[jade cairn]

Its the easiest one to use. When u just tried to take down crounus the first few times. U still dont know his attack pattern well.

[astral flicker]

medea skull is like beowulf without the shield part

[glossy rivet]

spicy beowulf

[shell swan]

Persephone is prob best for omega special spam but the glory thing is garbage so it’s really just for the faster omega moves which doesn’t really make a difference outside of chronos fight

[astral flicker]

dice roll beowulf

[jade cairn]

Exactly, use it for melee and u be suprise how good it is. Combine with exploding cast, you are a monster.

[steep heron]

they gave the shield to arthur to make the axe

[exotic heath]

yeah his whirlwind attack seems pretty fast, i just have to get to him so i can start figuring him out

[snow rover]

best skull aspect?

[astral flicker]

mommy skull doesnt work properly atm and probably just stick with medea

[devout yarrow]

uh how does the persephone glory stuff work? it does not make any sense to me rn

[astral flicker]

it doesnt

[bleak night]

No, I meant Aspect of Medea is meant to be played melee 100% of the time. You attach the ammo onto yourself and it explodes when you ram into a target with Special. The other two Skull Aspects I find them to be better as hybrid ranged/melee

[devout yarrow]

oh thats why, i was so confused

[jade cairn]

Range attack works best for your first time to beat him. Don't go for melee. Cause u wanna beat him first then u can try other ways

[glossy rivet]

do i just aphro special on persephone skull and call it a day or are there other gods to add on?

[devout yarrow]

melee needs a lot more arcana investment to face tank chronos

[exotic heath]

yeah that makes it probably a bit easier, my go to rn are the twin blades with aphro attack

[shell swan]

A mana gain boon is nice, Hera is always the best, but you don’t really need one until chronos if you just pick mana a lot

[devout yarrow]

melee really needs that second dash in my opinion

[astral flicker]

there is a mod that returns the dash from zag but seems to be also buggy

[shell swan]

#h2-victory-boasting message

This was my fear 20 chronos skull build btw, literally had 1 relevant boon(but I did have the op hammer and extra dmg chaos boon, and I somehow took 600 damage vs chronos)

[jade cairn]

Twin blade can also be use for range. There is hammer upgrade that return the special to you with 50% damage increase and backstab. I beaten crounos using that range.

[glossy rivet]

so i just need to luck out for twisting crash minimum?

is hera special still ok btw for mama skull?

[astral flicker]

pan is the range sisters blade

[jade cairn]

Its a hard transition from hades 1 dash to hades 2 sprint. But i love it. It make this game unique.

[shell swan]

Nah my other skull runs didn’t have twisting crash, but it’s like a big dps boost

[jade cairn]

Sprint can't be use the same way we use dash

[shell swan]

It’s way less dmg bc aphro special is always active with the skull special

[astral flicker]

it makes sense to use sprint when mel has more ranged options

[exotic heath]

oh thats what i had in my run when i got to him too

[astral flicker]

zag even with bows and rails tends just hug the boss for max damage

[devout yarrow]

i mean maybe give it restriction that if you use the second dash you cannot use a range attack, like a pact

[astral flicker]

that probably won‘t work, just make it a card or smth

give you +3 dashes but no sprint

[devout yarrow]

you vastly underestimate how good just 1 extra dash is

[jade cairn]

Dont worry i beaten crounos on my 30+ night. I needed 5 death defiance to get him. Im not good in rogue like. You can do it too my man.

[astral flicker]

+70% sprint also makes you run away most delayed attacks

[bleak night]

nyooooooooom

[astral flicker]

so its a even to me

[shell swan]

I feel like base sprint could be a little faster

[astral flicker]

you also outrun projectiles if you stack it enough, but yeah base sprint is very underwhelming

[exotic heath]

yeah i only had one death defiance, just unlocked the second one today
game feels a bit more difficult than the first but that could also due to me beeing used to the maxed mirror

[shell swan]

Without the sprint arcana sprint does not feel much different than just regular moving

[devout yarrow]

what the, there is a heroric quality for keepsafe now

[astral flicker]

mel needs more leg work instead of overdosing from gods‘ blessing

[jade cairn]

Also try to get poseidon sprint wave. Its so good against barrage of enemy and get out of situation. Then u can spam your special. And u can run through enemy to deal damage.

[astral flicker]

i like apollo sprint because when its epic it gives you +50%, which is pretty nuts if you have the sprint card

you run circles around projectiles

[exotic heath]

wow that sounds fun 😄

well im definitely gonna try the poseidon staff build next time it has the thirst aura

[astral flicker]

momus poseidon staff might as well be an autocannon build

[jade cairn]

Yeah the minigun build poseidon is OP

Staff is the easiest to clear anything

[devout jungle]

I just hate how easy Momus is, how safe for new players and how insanely op on high heat

[astral flicker]

on high heat its more about how fast you can get max dps out of your build than like setting it up gradually for higher potential

erebus is also stupidly hard for that reason

[devout jungle]

Double moonshot hammer and the build is done

[jade cairn]

Its a good way for players to start and build their confidence. But yes it is very OP on any run with or without heat

[astral flicker]

pan probably has higher max dps but momus is just super consistent

pan needs 2 good hammers and bunch other boons

you dont even need regen with momus

[sly turret]

How do you build medea for high heat??

[devout jungle]

Well on high heat it just doesn't compare at all..

Current fears reward no magick builds, which Momus is by far the best at. They definitely need to change that

It's crazy that the anyfear record is on 23 fear

[astral flicker]

building pan with 32 heat no thanks, its just restarting until you get the good erebus, then you need to survive oceanus for crap rewards and get hammer in the field

[bleak night]

anyfear ?

[astral flicker]

the starting with 0 mana and no passive mana regen by default just kills everything else with how momus works

[devout jungle]

Beating chronos on any fear the fastest

[bleak night]

ah

[astral flicker]

but hey its the same with eris rail tbh, though it does need 1 hammer and 2 boons at least

zeus attack and bolt with rocket or 5 bombs, or both

[bleak night]

I kinda wanna play H1 Hestia Rail now

[astral flicker]

ew that thing

[high stirrup]

Is it just me or are the different attacks hecate can do completely unbalanced, moon beams is extremely easy to avoid while tiny balls makes the fight somewhat difficult

[spare kite]

Anyheat hestia w/o clockets was a pain

[devout jungle]

The 0 mana start, priming mana on boon rarity, 0% healing is all just a buff to Momus speedruns lmao

[high stirrup]

as someone who basicly only runs momus, yes

[astral flicker]

problem when you get devs who cant play on the highest difficulty

[devout jungle]

I'm sure they will listen to feedback and act accordingly

[bleak night]

hoping they swap the vow for 0 mana on room entry into some sort of Middle Management

[spare kite]

It'll be better once we get EM/MM back

[astral flicker]

yeah we dont have purging, needs that as well

[bleak night]

def, yeah

[astral flicker]

so i can sell crap i get from selena

cant wait to sell hex in every run of momus

[spare kite]

Inb4 selene is unpurgable

[astral flicker]

call was purgable so idk

besides dad‘s one because thats keepsake

[celest swallow]

call was also a regular boon slot tho

[astral flicker]

selene upgrades are actually also boons so i think it should be able to

[cosmic steppe]

deme+zeus duo with blitz on special makes cast not necessary for torch special builds imo

you just put on couple specials and run around until blitz explodes, rince and repeat

i realised that special not having stagger isn't that big a deal since you're not locked in the animation either

[jade cairn]

What is haste from Hera? Is it like weak from Aphrodite. How good is it

[devout yarrow]

you mean hitch

hitch basically is rama aspect from hades 1

not basically, it literally is

[spare kite]

Except it doesn't work if there's only one enemy but yeah, rama at home

[devout yarrow]

honestly rama was my least favorite bow aspect

[jade cairn]

what does that mean. i didnt unlock the hidden aspect from the bow in hades 1

[spare kite]

Enemies with hitch take a % of dmg dealt to other enemies

[devout yarrow]

yeah it's kinda bad on cerb

[astral flicker]

Rama bow is decent but needs quite a bit to set up

Also the rhythm between shooting and dashing

[spare kite]

Good thing it had like 5 good hammers

[jade cairn]

Thats garbage on bosses and 1v1. Damn she weak.

[glossy rivet]

@shell swan whats a good fear setup for skull?

[devout yarrow]

rama bow really needs a hammer to start doing stuff, also it really didn't feel as nice as zag aspect

[spare kite]

Her % is the 2nd highest so is fine, and trashing mobs at high fear is great

[astral flicker]

I just use seed modifier to get twin shot in first chamber because I hate RNG

[devout yarrow]

zag bow aspect was so goated

[spare kite]

Rama is still my fav bow, shared suffering was fun

[astral flicker]

Rama is definitely more fun to do than conventional bow

[obtuse otter]

is it?

oh wait this is hades 2 builds

[astral flicker]

Talking about the hitch being a copy from rama

[devout yarrow]

it hits big? thats about it, zag aspect also hit really hard and the rymth was really nice

[spare kite]

Insane room deleter too, zag is too simple for me

Hera is fun too but I sucked at that one, and chiron is chiron

[devout yarrow]

i personally enjoyed athur more for hitting big and deleting room

the fact that you can dash half way across the room while charging up the big slice was a big plus

[spare kite]

I hated arthur cuz dash strikes were just a lot better, but I like axe combo so just an hypocrite lmao

[astral flicker]

If zag is not going to be playable I hope at least mel gets some of his weapons

Except the bow because mel hates bow

[devout yarrow]

yeah i would like the spear back just for casts

[astral flicker]

Eris rail vs eris would be hilarious

[spare kite]

Zeus shield would thrive here

[devout yarrow]

but she is using it already tho

[astral flicker]

Also borrow money from Charon with Charon axe

[spare kite]

Wait no zeus special, nvm

[devout yarrow]

zeus shield was by far the best weapon in the game in the amount of stuff it can do, honestly it would still thrive just because it was built different

also poseidon special is the same thing

[astral flicker]

I’m not sure about the weapon lore but maybe it was just a copy with you pouring stuff into it?

[devout yarrow]

also they are sooo doing the hit rate nerf on poseidon special like they did with zeus special

[astral flicker]

Oh no anyways

Routine Poseidon nerf 1 per game

[exotic heath]

damn i got chronos into his 2nd phase and was really close to killing it going ranged makes thing way easier :S

[tall notch]

After playing around with it a bit, I think Momus staff is actually fine power-wise. It's the double special hammer that needs reworking. Another staff with double special would do the machine gun better than Momus without it

[astral flicker]

The free doubled damage is probbaly not considered with how momus behaves

[edgy anchor]

hera boons are best used with which weapon? no aspects yet unfortunately

[onyx void]

if hera is the one that links enemies and makes them all take dmg, i found it to work really well with the staff using the piercing enemies hammer

[trim jungle]

i like use with axe

[onyx void]

idk if thats what hera does tho i forget

[spare kite]

Is great with axe, spin into a group

[edgy anchor]

she does hitch

[bleak night]

That's what she does yeah

[trim jungle]

bc the area attack is great to mark enimies

[onyx void]

staff with pierce enemies and double shot hammers, hitch boon for special, zeus chain lightning boon

all enemies get shredded

[trim jungle]

someone like the special attack of axe?

[onyx void]

however not amazing boss dmg so ig thats the issue

[devout jungle]

Kinda ass without Momus and he doesn't have aspects

[astral flicker]

Charon axe is made for that

[spare kite]

Is still solid, 2nd highest behind aphro

[edgy anchor]

im using axe right now and these are the options i have lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1115488682372235344/1240659505210196020/image.png?ex=66475db4&is=66460c34&hm=a50599a8e7dc9838f1feb7302f9a731547f91ce04f34a951b4abdb1917017e37&

[astral flicker]

Mommy Hera loves you

[spare kite]

Free atk and gain boon

[onyx void]

i had been using it with the aspect that gives u mana regen after a while of using it because i havent got the resources to upgrade aspect of momus

[mystic bison]

City rng is really awful sometimes

[onyx void]

but that worked really well for me

[edgy anchor]

i wasnt sure if i liked hera or not from when i took her before but seeing this layout makes me happy that there atleast isnt a single selene

[mystic bison]

I reset in such cases

[onyx void]

i had an all poseidon one earlier which was interesting

[trim jungle]

bro, the game is helping you

[edgy anchor]

i just had one before this with axe and it was awful D:

[low frost]

Yeah, Hera Axe is sweet

[mystic bison]

I had an all Hestia one in my very first run, still cleared but it was funny

[onyx void]

i've not managed to clear surface yet

[low frost]

Hestia sprint is OPOP vs Eris at least

[spare kite]

Rerolls gang stays winning

[edgy anchor]

ive got daddyless hammer upgrade called dashing heave :/

[trim jungle]

i aways take damage when i charging

[mystic bison]

But really if the city doesn't give you at least a hammer, Hermes, hp upgrade and/or mana upgrade - might as well reset

[astral flicker]

You need to work around that, the axe block only works until you launch omega special and it forces you to release it

[onyx void]

tbh u get loads of hp upgrades from city anyway

[edgy anchor]

if you take chaos keepsake, theres never a chance that you can get rid of the keepsake before it rotates right?

[mystic bison]

Not necessarily

[onyx void]

from the cracks in the walls

[mystic bison]

Sometimes there are next to no side rooms, again rng based

[low frost]

Yeah... I've never seen a city so bad I feel obligated to reroll

[edgy anchor]

ive got transcendant strike from chaos keepsake but i cant keep it can i

[low frost]

Maybe if there were a huge amount of mana ups or something

[mystic bison]

I just reset with give up if I don't like the City rewards at first glance

[spare kite]

Depends on biome but taking free rooms (shops, npc, finding fountains) all help

[low frost]

If you get rid of the keepsake, you still lose your latest chaos boon eventually, right?

[spare kite]

No

[mystic bison]

No you keep it

[celest swallow]

no, whatever your last one is you keep

[low frost]

Oh, interesting

[mystic bison]

Chaos keepsake is awesome

[trim jungle]

guys, which is yours rank of weapons?
mine:
1 - Sister Blades
2 - Moonstone Axe
3 - Witch's Staff
4 - Umbral Flames
5 - Argent Skull

[onyx void]

tbh this seems about right but swap witches staff and axe

[edgy anchor]

should i take hera on axe special as well?

[onyx void]

witches staff goated

[spare kite]

Skull/blades tied
Axe
Torch
Staff

[low frost]

1 - Witch's Staff
2 - Argent Skull
3 - Sister Blades
4 - Umbral Flames
5 - Moonstone Axe

[mystic bison]

I like all the weapons tbh

[edgy anchor]

but if youre on surface then you cant right? its 2 rooms then always 6

[onyx void]

im not a big umbral flames fan, its only really got one viable playstyle for me

[ruby wind]

1-Staff
2-Axe
3-Skull
4-Blades
5-Torches

[mystic bison]

I used to hate the flames but after a god tier run I had I changed my mind

[onyx void]

i used it alot trying to figure out what makes it work

[low frost]

I've been doing the melee-explosions flames build. It's pretty sweet.

[ruby wind]

Staff with Momes is so broken that its not even close with other weapons

[onyx void]

but i cannot make them fun, usually end up dying on tartarus

[mystic bison]

Mel Aspect you spam the special

[spare kite]

Eos torches are fun

[onyx void]

my aspects are all pretty underlevelled atm, need to get the upgrade materials

most of the upgrade materials are from the surface right?

[low frost]

Moros torches are a pseudomelee meatgrinder with huge damage output

[ruby wind]

I really gave the torches so much chances and different builds. Its damage is so low, it doesnt stagger and hits are inconsistant

[onyx void]

is that the one that makes the special explode when u hit an attack?

[low frost]

Other way around

[celest swallow]

makes the attack explode when hit with a special

[onyx void]

i c

[grizzled timber]

im liking eos torches but the controller aim trolls me so often, focuses on an out of range enemy instead of the one right next to me

[celest swallow]

turning auto aim off when playing torches on controller is the way

[ruby wind]

tbh weapons aspects feel very close to each other in general. In hades 1 every aspect was so unique

[low frost]

You do something like Aphro attack/Hera special, and then gameplay is omegaspecial, and attack things in melee.

[onyx void]

the parry aspect on the dual daggers is a pretty unique way to play for me

[low frost]

Your attacks leave behind marshmallows which are exploded by your omega special for another, bigger damage in an AoE every shot.

[onyx void]

usually just use dual daggers as a special attack spammer

[onyx void]

ill try that

[ruby wind]

tried the aspect still feels very close to the base one you just get to parry while charging, but everything else is the same

[spare kite]

Persephone skull would be a lot different if the glory charge wasn't ass

[onyx void]

ye but if u play around the parries u get like 50% uptime double dmg

works excellently with the hammer that makes ur omega attack have more range and damage

[hollow juniper]

graaaah I almost won 32 heat on eos torches but my dps was much lower than it could have been had I made better boon choices

[ruby wind]

Yes, but its mostly more numbers, but the gameplay is simillar

The only unique aspects imo are aspect of Pan, Charon and Madea

[winter orbit]

why do the torches have the hardest fear

[hollow juniper]

I honestly have a way easier time with torches than axe on high fear lol

[ruby wind]

Have you tried aspect of Momos?

Axes start to fall off on high fear because you have to get close and be vulenrable

[hollow juniper]

I have but I'm not a fan of how easy it makes the game, Eos torches are my favorite so I want to do 32 heat with those

[ruby wind]

why is 32 heat the number people go for?

[spare kite]

Last prize from skelly

[ruby wind]

ah ok

Max I did so far was 21

[stable sable]

yall im an absolute genius

not having any mana isnt a problem when its all primed to produce the strongest ever basic attacks via zeus and aphrodite boons at the start of each room

no mana? no problem

yeah no seriously getting aphrodite attack boon plus chain lightning boon plus aphrodite prime for extra weapon damage on knives is actually insane

i just melted each of the sirens in like 3 seconds flat

also as a cherry on top add on apollos backstab boon

[compact nest]

exactly. Welcome to why i was arguing earlier about how the -100% mana fear is free fear

[digital rampart]

Can double up effect nightmare at the shop

[stable sable]

if this doesnt get me my first chronos kill im just gonna give up entirely

ngl i made one mistake tho

after i first got chain lightning i decided to try and get some more max mana and got 2 of it and immediately after aphrodite snatched that away too

[compact nest]

try to go for zeus infusion for mininum 30 damage, effectively making chain lightning epic

[stable sable]

i dont know how to do that but thanks for the advice lol

[onyx void]

upgrade with poms ig

[stable sable]

anyways i gotta melt fields real quick lol

also i forgot to mention: i also got +43% attack from chaos too heheh

this is just the most blessed run to ever exist, with how all those pieces fell into place

AND SKULKING SLICE TOO APPARENTLY

yeah ok if i dont win this i feel obligated to uninstall the game afterward

yeah also the "no less than x mana" boons are perma active on this too lmao

i never realised deleting your entire manapool was actually the best play in the game

[glossy rivet]

hey whats the easiest skull setup for 20 heat?

[steep heron]

because it's the last statue unlock

[stable sable]

of course nems gotta be sore though and give me a death defy refresh when ive not yet used a single one of them

👍

[edgy anchor]

so this full hera build i was able to get doesnt mean much if the boss doesnt summon adds lol

[north vortex]

What is the most offensive build possible?

How do I do like 1000 dps

[desert mountain]

Aphrodite on the blades goes hard

[north vortex]

Probably an axe spear or blade build

[strange ember]

hey guys, how does nasty comeback boon work?

[echo eagle]

hey, i need help with melanoe moonlight staff ??
is there a build for it

[strange ember]

ohhh i did this...

[summer seal]

What boons do you build Eos for? I've tried a few times and prefer it to the other torches but just can't get a good feel for it, always taking more damage than i should be

[desert mountain]

Poseidon special and that's pretty much it
Works better if you run Aspect of Momus

You can get chain lightning boon from Zeus to help with crowd control

[echo eagle]

i am talking about "aspect of melinoe" not the momus one

[desert mountain]

Still works on Aspect of Melinoe

[onyx void]

ive used the momus build using melinoe and it still works great

[desert mountain]

But if you wish to using omega attack spam, it very much is dependent on the hammers you get

[echo eagle]

ok, how much fear you were able to beat with it

[desert mountain]

The one that strikes twice in one direction helps a lot

[hollow juniper]

hera Born Gain, any attack boon, any regular cast boon
dont take a ranged cast boon because it makes your cast interrupt omega attack
for sprints, aphrodite is probably the best one

[desert mountain]

20 fear with ease

Still have to stress test it at 32 soon

[strange ember]

i ran hera special, heph attack, and Poseidon cast for crowd control. oh and the meteor from selene. oh on the hammer i got double attack and used my omega. it was shmackin

[echo eagle]

you have the screenshot of it the build ?

[echo eagle]

I see

[desert mountain]

Might need to look for it,

[summer seal]

I'll give it a shot, any preferred hammers?

[strange ember]

wait i need help with this one though

[spare kite]

Haven't gone that high

[strange ember]

how does nasty comeback boon work

[sly turret]

Is possessed array good for medea?

[hollow juniper]

the one that increases channel speed, or the one that increases movement speed while firing. Dire Candle is probably also good but I havent gotten it on Eos yet.

[strange ember]

double attack hammer

[desert mountain]

Not my 20 heat run sadly, but this is essentially the build.
https://i.imgur.com/SNbQt9K.jpeg

[bleak night]

Hiya

[summer seal]

Awesome, and the playstyle is more or less constand Omega Attack and keep bouncing back and forth (ideally triggering apro dash for weak) to recall the skulls. Keep in cast for the damage increase arcana and have something that inflicts another status on either the attack (hera) or cast? I think just need to figure out my spacing and evasion better playing the torch really

[stable sable]

goddamn it

he was down to 1/4 life in 2nd phase

its joever, im not meant to win at this game

[slate zodiac]

When you go Hera you tend to take a second debuff so you can proc the Origination Arcana. Demeter is a popular option

[onyx void]

what are the best boons for a dual dagger special attack build

ive got the hammer that makes them return to you

[spare kite]

Is this pan aspect?

[onyx void]

artemis

[spare kite]

Channel speed is better if you don't wanna hug enemies for spiral knives ig

Dunno how good is the shoot straight one

[sterile portal]

is boundless flurry or concentrated flurry better for aspect of pan? i cant decide between the two rn lol

https://imgur.com/WaJxjuA

[summer seal]

To my understanding, Artemis normally builds around regular attacks? Like the loop is activate parry and spam omega attacks, rinse and repeat. So Aphro on attack is very strong, Poseidon is ofc great, etc

And then hammers that upgrade the omega attack damage are icing on the cake

[spare kite]

What special do you have?

[sterile portal]

demeter

[spare kite]

I'd do concentrated then I think, more base dmg to use the %

[sterile portal]

oh true actually, didnt think of that

[bleak night]

Keep going at it dw

[atomic plaza]

Has anyone tried the zeus and Aphrodite dup boon? Its so good at keeping on the move

[exotic heath]

god that 2nd phase is rough, gives me a harder time than hades with extreme measures

[elfin sentinel]

bruh it's so over for olympus LMAO
(vampiric cataclysm + flutter strike + tranquil gain + arctic strike)

[small wyvern]

please post the original link to the artist, in the #fan-works channel

i have it so ill go post it, but crediting artists is always important

[steel sequoia]

the image is crediting but the source is emberrisland on x

ty anyways

[red island]

How does the Aspect of Momus for the staff work regarding the healing. I currently have less than 50% health and can't get it to heal me any. I've tried running to the omega ball and I've tried hitting it on a wall

[spare kite]

Does it have to be mid encounter?

[red island]

I'm mid enounter at the moment trying

[versed escarp]

hi just wanted to ask what people think is best aspect + hammer + gods for speedrunning atm? for each weapon

[strong lark]

From what ive seen people go the momus staff + Poseidon special. The Hammer upgrade that makes your Special shoot 2 balls is BIS - after that its fluff on top to boost your dmg more.

Real machine gun hours with that build, watch out for the carpal tunnel syndrome you might get after tho, the mouse button spam really takes a toll after a few runs.

[versed escarp]

yes XD that build gave me my first sub10

managed to get hestia pos duo on it as well and it was just gross

[topaz pelican]

Aspect of pan and the cqc skull are fast too iirc

[strong lark]

What is the skull build ? Havent really figured out what is good with the base skulls

[versed escarp]

medea is just beowulf :O

[glad breach]

Base skull: hera attack, demeter cast with Apollo expand = frozen in place mass damage to mobs

Have done under 16 mins 0 fear on chronos with it and did both 32 fear runs with it first try.

+2 skull and auto omega attack on pickup hammers are best imo

[topaz pelican]

A video was posted today or Yesterday. Let me find it.

[glad breach]

Anyone ever have the Demeter boon that has your cast follow you be useful? I've tried it a few times but mostly find it ruins runs

[strong lark]

Hmm, ill give it a shot. Ive been kinda sleeping on the skull after only doing the Beowulf aspect a few too many times.

[onyx void]

what boons should i go for with aspect of mel torches?

[strong lark]

Think Poseidon special + the Hammer that gives you an extra orb on Omega Special is pretty good

[topaz pelican]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[steel sequoia]

was usefull once i needed apollo mana regen, but most times its bad

[cursive knot]

I didnt like it. The main reason i use cast is to drop it, kite away and create space, so it felt counterproductive. Also use it to put statuses on for origination and it following me didn't really help with that either.

[steel sequoia]

cast is good for CC if you are in the CC than aint helpfull lmao

[low frost]

I haven't had it happen yet, but I think that would be pretty handy IF you had the other demeter cast boons already.

Basically, it will surround you with vortex+freeze, providing great defense and instant 2x curse activation.

Can't think of any other case I'd want it though

[steel sequoia]

i didnt liked when the freeze follows me cause it has a cooldown anyways so you have to keep moving

the only situation i felt was good when i needed the apollo regen

[cursive knot]

Apollo regen does seem like itd be the most clear use case to me.

If i wanted cc that follows me from demeter I'd just go for the cyclone sprint

[low frost]

sURE

But... I think it's probably pretty decent to have double-curse and defense following you around like that.

[cursive knot]

double curse on you would be kinda nice

[spare kite]

I think the issue is that the ranged casts are just better

And the extra dmg from the dem boon ain't worth

[midnight nacelle]

"The Furies: Deal 20% damage to foes in your Casts" and
"Origination: Deal 25% damage to foes afflicted with at least 2 Curse effects"

Both damage mulitpliers work with EVERY kind of attack right? Attack, Special, Casts and the corresponding Omega version

[cursive knot]

yeah for me it just feels like it would have to be really really good to justify losing a tool in having a zone control spell you can leave on the ground wherever you want

[low frost]

Yeah, and it's probably not that good except in perfect scenarios

[timid saddle]

Can you make a slow hard hitting build in hades 2 like you could in hades 1 ? (like with the arthur aspect)

[low frost]

The Axe is Arthur, but with bigger AoEs

[timid saddle]

nice, I don't know if the community liked arthur but it was my favourite I'm glad the axe will feel familiar

[glossy rivet]

if you use its omega its both fast and hard hitting

[timid saddle]

thanks for the information

[brittle prairie]

yes, but they should be additive with other multipliers unless the game's description is musleading

[summer seal]

Man I really need to memorize the icons for the boons so I can make sense of these videos, haha

[brittle prairie]

ie 20+30+ your attack boon%

[supple heart]

whats a good set of picks to get to 32 fear on the vows?

[hexed field]

just cleared the second room of a surface run and got epic nova strike and executioners chop on the axe, good to know I've basically already won

axe is rank 4 mel aspect

[cursive knot]

Have fun

[hexed field]

now if I can get the faster spin charge up and movement during spin hammer it'll truly be free

[echo pulsar]

which god gives earth boon? Had Demeter's coarse grit and kinda wanna build it. Is earth boon fine with the twin blade?

[cursive knot]

Do you have the incantation that gives you the boon list in the book? It shows all of the elements with each boon. Coarse grit is pretty sweet if you manage to make it work

[spare kite]

Dem/Heph/Hera are the main ones iirc

Artemis has some earth stuff
And ofc chaos +1/2/3 to all elements

[cursive knot]

Narcissus also has a +2 to all elements if you've finished his quest

[echo pulsar]

still on selection screen, cant open the book

[echo pulsar]

thank you!

[cursive knot]

Ah thought you had already picked it. GL with the run!

[midnight nacelle]

why "but" ?

[slate zodiac]

on paper it seems good on weapons that requires you to stay close to the enemy since you can increase DPS output while keeping them in place

In practice it's unwieldy and difficult to use

[slate zodiac]

A common build path is Hera start then take Demeter later into the run for Coarse Grit. I'm unsure if Hera is good with Blades outside of Pan with Hera Cast, though...I'd just take Poseidon tbh

[spare kite]

@midnight radish #h2-feedback message keepsake switching is one of the incantations

[pliant raven]

For the Eris fight, it feels like picking Hestia's sprint boon is such a significant advantage. Are there any other strategies (weapon/boon) to dealing with the high number of projectiles? The axe special block seems workable but the duration is short. Or is it more of a needing to learn how to dash with correct timing?

[spare kite]

Getting behind her helps a lot

[pliant raven]

I'm assuming that this falls under the "learn how to dash" category, like timing it with her turn rate between shots?

[rain hazel]

So I finally getting a good build with the daggers, in the 3rd area and dont expect the boss to be a problem, but I just realized Ima have to stay close to chronos which Im sure is not gonoa go well. 😅

[civic ocean]

Being in a fast sprint while she's in the air will help you not get caught out by her Mega Man impression

[white gale]

when does the eris fight happen?

[spare kite]

2nd boss of the surface

[rain hazel]

Does Concentrated Flurry (+4 hitting same foe) get the buff from Flutter Flourish (Aphro special)

[distant fog]

second and final (so far)

[round stag]

I struggled quite a lot with Chronos at first, but now I'm way better and I think learning his patterns was key
You can go close to him, just wait between his attacks and run away when he does the multiple swings

[wild pine]

In fairness only the omega cast follows you I think so you can still tap and drop static snares

[rain hazel]

Yeah, Ive only gotten to phase 2 once. It feels much harder than the Hades boss fight, but maybe thats just cuz its new. I flew through the bosses before him though.

[cursive knot]

have only used 2 or 3 times maybe i was holding button too long. probably not nearly as bad then

[winter wind]

Indeed, i'm playing a build with this setup right now

[slate zodiac]

In general staying behind the boss is an easy strat that works on any boss except maybe Hecate when she spins

[agile kraken]

What Arcana and Vows have you guys been running for high fear runs?

[distant fog]

I still don't know what happened when I got to Chronos phase 2, I just took 800 dmg and died too fast

[civic ocean]

it depends on the weapon

[rain hazel]

I went ahead and took it, It was hard to decide between it to snowball damage vs the quick channel one to get in and out easier.

[slate zodiac]

The problem is when you're running an omega cast build - Imagine going Apollo cast with that Demeter boon. It feels miserable

[rain hazel]

SAME LOL

[round stag]

I also think it's much harder than Hades! His attack patterns are hard to learn and he has more health
But once you figure out his patterns it gets way easier... It helped me going with ranged builds for my first wins

[pliant raven]

Chronos has a donut-shaped area attack with nigh-lethal damage in the hitbox.

[agile kraken]

daggers with aspect of pan seems crazy strong so i guess ill start with that one

[civic ocean]

it seems like it would be good with Persephone, omega cast into omega special or smth

[slate zodiac]

it's not just that - Mel also has significantly less tools than Zag. I'm sure everyone acknowledges it but double dash was op af

[winter wind]

Someone here said to use the pillars to block all her shots, except the purple crosshair aimed shot (learn to time to dodge it, because it destroys the pillars) and I haven't lost to her since

[round stag]

Trueee
Really gotta pay attention to the dash cooldown

[distant fog]

it's very good I killed Eris very fast with them

[civic ocean]

I'm slowly changing my mind on the "Mel weaker than Zag" argument

[versed vine]

i mean, zag lost to chronos

[rain hazel]

Is Soot Sprint any good for chronos? Its not very descriptive with what projectiles it affects

[astral flicker]

sometimes she doesnt get the chance to do it if you drain her hp fast enough

[round stag]

I'd say her ceiling has potential to be much higher but she also requires more skill

[wild pine]

Yeah, it's not very good. Just not as bad as it might be. I think ... the only way I can see to make it work the way I want would be to have it give bonus cast duration and only follow you for the first half of the total time. That way you could charge up in safety while standing away from enemies, jump in to drop the cast on them and get a couple of quick hits, then dash out and leave your enemies snared behind you.

[civic ocean]

Our current version of 32 Fear would be the equivalent of rougly 43 Heat in OG Hades

[winter wind]

Oh, didn't know that. I just always play safe with Eris, especially when she gets the buff.

[pliant raven]

It will destroy the golden orbs he spawns around him in both phases, I believe, but I'm unsure about the hourglass red projectiles. The rest of his attacks it does not affect afaik.

[versed vine]

i mainly run omega cast wands and try to get the spirit orb poseidon boon. works very well

[rain hazel]

Hm....Maybe Ill sacrifice it for Burnt offering then, dont recall orbs being uch of a issue...in the first phase at least.

[spare kite]

Oh patch time have fun y'all

[wild pine]

Ooh, better idea! What if Demeter's "cast follows you" boon turned your cast into a persistent trail you leave behind you as you move over the full duration?

[round stag]

Ooh yeah that's rough
I haven't dabbled in the oath of the unseen too much but some of the setting seem pretty brutal

[spare kite]

#hades2-patch-notes message

[winter wind]

whoaaaaa new patch is awesome

[civic ocean]

looks like swift runner is buffed?

[wild pine]

Yes and no. In my experience if I concentrate on safety I don't get hit by orbs, but they do limit my attack options and punish windows. Being able to clear them out would give you some free DPS I expect.

[spare kite]

Swift runner sounds like 1's dash

[civic ocean]

I don't know if this is spelled out or not but for people who are having a hard time dodging Chronos - he speeds up his attacks rather substantially as you wear him down so you have to change your timing windows based on his hp

[round stag]

Ohhhh can't wait to try out the changes when I get home
I wonder how better swift runner is now

[grizzled igloo]

Surprise no Weapon and Boon Balances yet but probs still figuring that one out

[round stag]

WHAT I hadn't even noticed that
There's so much happening on screen every time

[grizzled igloo]

Noticed my timings being “off” late Phase 2 sometimes so I just assume he sped up

[civic ocean]

I am quite bad at the fight atm but I believe it's after you get him below half both phases

Also very happy for y'all that have stuff to unlock, the QOL changes were great

[grizzled igloo]

He def changes up a bit at that last 1/3rd I feel

[spare kite]

Surprised no changes towards the pause thing a bit

[white gale]

You now can gather from any resource point once you have unlocked the corresponding Gathering Tool; you now can Prioritize any available Tool in the Training Grounds to make its resources appear as often as before, while resources for Tools you do not Prioritize will appear far less often

[civic ocean]

I think they are changing it but need to re-record some dialogue for it, which takes time

[white gale]

thank the gods!

[spare kite]

Makes sense

[civic ocean]

So this actually has balance implications! You can now more feasibly get more value from Demeter+Aphrodite Hearty Appetite Max HP builds

[round stag]

Oh btw I wanted to know if anybody here has some skull builds you can recommend? It's the only weapon I've barely used

[civic ocean]

Demeter has a boon that raises your max HP whenever you use the spade

[grizzled igloo]

I wonder if they’ll make it so you can pause in Chronos and now the “Pause in Chronos” Incantation just allows all Time Effects in the fight. Like the Slow Down during Omega’s or Phase Shift

[slate zodiac]

Mel/Persphone Skull

Hera Attack, Demeter Special

Start Hera

[surreal plinth]

How does one unlock the 3 statues at the training grounds (?)

[grizzled igloo]

Medea Skull

Aphrodite all the way down

[timid bobcat]

8 16 and 32 run completions on both surface and underworld

[round stag]

Any key boons to make it stronger?

[civic ocean]

holy SMOKES we're moving

[surreal plinth]

weird, did 8 and 16, not even a single one opened, thanks for the confirmation tho

[slate zodiac]

Demeter have a good earth infusion in Coarse Grit. Needs 6 Earth but Hera's entire boonlist is Earth

[civic ocean]

biiiiig buff

[spare kite]

We go nyoooom?

[civic ocean]

not thaaaaat much faster

[slate zodiac]

Become night's champion

Check the vows and check the pre-reqs for fears right below the weapon pre-reqs

[grand prism]

PATCH NOTES LET'S GO! :D

[civic ocean]

Swift runner got nerfed pretty hard

[rain hazel]

...I just got the dark side cast bug after getting the hades buff for it. If I restart my game with it remove the bug?

[timid bobcat]

Did you do both surface and underworld? Are the statues there but covered up? If no, then you need to keep talking with skelly to first get the covered versions of the statues in

[rain hazel]

Oh nvm going to the next area got rid of it, just wont use my hex I guess

[slate zodiac]

I would argue it only got nerfed in compensation for the sprint changes feeling overall better. Swift Runner probably no longer feels like a must-have, but I haven't tested it so what do I know?

[surreal plinth]

yeah they are there, oh well 💀

🤦‍♂️ i just had to talk to em to remove the cover

[grizzled igloo]

Course Grit is fine and all but Poseidon makes the brain chemicals go brrr

[civic ocean]

indirect buff to Momus Antler builds because you can be faster while turning off Centaur still

[round stag]

Unrelated but I like how most of the gods feel, I'd say Hephaestus could use a buff though? Mostly for his attack and special boons

[hollow juniper]

immediate dash feels kinda schnice on daggers

[spare kite]

How's the dash cancel with axe

[round stag]

I just feel like the other attack and special boons scale much better than his
Idk maybe I've just got to figure out something to make it work

[grizzled igloo]

Hephaestus has a few good niche cases. Like he’s never a bad god to have but he’s a horrible MAIN option if that makes sense?

[hollow juniper]

with swift runner it feels like dash cancelling out of excalibur stuff I think

[grizzled igloo]

Like if I get offered a Hephaestus Special and I’m on like Artemis Dagger I’ll go “sure” and chuck it out every once in a while

[hollow juniper]

you use Heph attack/special on whichever one you are not building for, as a large amount of free damage. Like for example if you have a momus special build, you can take hephaestus attack with status curse for a free 600+ base damage for the same animation cost as a special

[round stag]

Yeah makes sense! He's the best one on the sound effects though, it sounds so satisfying

[grizzled igloo]

Ayo Aspect of Melinoe Moonstone Axe finally not outclassed by Thanatos

[civic ocean]

Mint Condition is also an absolutely insane boon on high fear

[grizzled igloo]

We’re gonna do it like how we used Excal in the olden days

[hollow juniper]

still hard to compete with 20% crit but it does feel much better

[round stag]

I see!! Thanks

[grizzled igloo]

Aspect of Thanatos is absolutely bonkers but it feels you’re“pigeon holed” to a select few Hammers and Builds when you pick it up

[hollow juniper]

I like the alternate build with zeus omega cast

[wintry tree]

So like, i was under the impression that sprint is just a replacement for dash? Are they actually separate things or are they using the terms interchangeably?

[rain hazel]

Idk what happens with chronos but its like my brain just leaks out of my ear....Im literally just running into his attacks

[grizzled igloo]

Yeah Aspect of Charon is fun but sometimes I wanna get in there you know?

and not spin

or I CAN spin but can take Advancing or Psychic Whirlwind and not feel bad

[glossy rivet]

how does engraved pin interact with death defiance?

[fair geyser]

it’s more that they are two parts of the same process

[distant ocean]

hey are the patch notes live yet?

[fair geyser]

Dash -(hold down)-> Sprint

[pale vortex]

I'm at hades in tartarus and he offers me some boons which is the best to choose? Fewer summons, go invisible.pr the one that cast fires ahead?

[fair geyser]

the game recognizes them as different Things but they should still flow into each other nicely

[hollow juniper]

yes

[distant ocean]

sweet! anyone got any idea how much it affects run times?

[glossy rivet]

if i go to 0hp do i spend a DD or can i keep the DD if i fulfill engraved pin's requirements?

[spare kite]

Fewer summons my beloved

[glossy rivet]

or does engraved pin only trigger if i lose hp without any DDs left?

[hollow juniper]

fewer summons makes part of the fight much easier, ranged cast is strong consistent damage against him

[steady mantle]

The skulls are a fun weapon (I didn't like them at the start ), do you usually get %power increases for them?

[hoary spoke]

anyone have any tips against the ||vampire dude||? Literally like 3x tankier than the ||cerberus|| fight

[distant ocean]

there's public runners getting close to sub 6minutes rn

[pale vortex]

Thank u for the answers guys! I use daggers with scorch! Let's see what will happen

[hollow juniper]

the way to build them is to buff your special the most and put a utility thing like demeter, hephaestus, zeus on your attack

omega special does a lot of damage and is invincible during the animation

[glossy rivet]

medea or persephone skull? which one is more reliable

[hollow juniper]

medea is more reliable, persephone is very slow to build up

[distant ocean]

media's good out the wrapper, but persephone + apollo stuff and full salvo is beast

[glossy rivet]

how does building glory work? does it build up more from frequent damage or bigger damage? do i lose glory after i loose an omega special?

[distant ocean]

I think full salvo perspehone skulls has a lotof dps and aoe

a contender for strongest dps with pan and momus I think

[glossy rivet]

whats full salvo?

[distant ocean]

fire all skulls at once

[spare kite]

My guess is that it's like calls in H1 where both rate of hits and dmg matters but dmg scaling falls off
Cuz rn zeus cast is your best option at charging I think

[distant ocean]

so omega attack + apollo omega double + full salvo = 10 skulls big booming every omega

[glossy rivet]

gonna try 20fear mom skull
aphro specia, what other gods should i aim for with it??

[zenith bolt]

good start to this axe run https://i.imgur.com/9RUq3M5.png

[glossy rivet]

giwtwm

[distant ocean]

@glossy rivet apollo is p much all ya need but, you could get aphrodite attack for the most dmg, slightly less aoe for a bit more dmg

if you play upclose

apart from that any smooth way to apply origination as always

[glossy rivet]

i thought aphro special would be best bc its charging into enemies

[distant ocean]

ah yeah, for special you want hera

or zeus or hestia

free curse, but hera atleast has hitching which is cool

better with the build than blitz for sure

[glossy rivet]

gonna try momskull with hera special then if not aphro

[distant ocean]

You won't necessarily be using the glory aspect of perspehone, just kinda using the 30% omega damage to buff skulls or maybe cast if you get a good zeus start

[glossy rivet]

oh omega damage from aspect works with not just Ospecial?

[distant ocean]

yeah it's general Ω dmg so it works with cast too

[glossy rivet]

i should use omega specials a lot with it still right?

[distant ocean]

only aspect that directly buffs casts lol aspect of mel staff does lower channeling but ye

[glossy rivet]

lol u right maybe i can get like zeus after hera

[distant ocean]

it's a decent way to build the weapon, too

and nothing is really stopping you from doing both or all three

[glossy rivet]

what should i get for aphrodite besides her attack or special? heartthrob?

[wild comet]

Ye that

[distant ocean]

heartthrob is good yeah, dmg vs weak

if everything is solid

wiles is always welcome

[glossy rivet]

also the omega damage boost from the aspect is always on right? not tied to the glory meter?

[distant ocean]

her gain is also pretty good

[zenith bolt]

chaos my goat https://i.imgur.com/CpPaS5D.png

[distant ocean]

it's the only gain with a curse attached so

[zenith bolt]

nearly 250 hp, like 3 rooms into oceanus, +healthy rebound

[distant ocean]

correct

[distant ocean]

time aphro demeter duo

[glossy rivet]

got born gain, got chaos increased gold gain in erebus
we eating good

oh yeah got twisting array from artificer

[zenith bolt]

remember kids--always take chaos https://i.imgur.com/H5udDCU.png

[distant ocean]

nice

[glossy rivet]

rare crop gonna give me heroic hera special
i should invest in more hitch-related boons i think?

[distant ocean]

dmg vs hitch is cool, from the aphro, hera duo!

aphro apollo hera sounds goated with many sauces.

[wintry tree]

Thank you

It just got a little confusing with the wording

[zenith bolt]

hmm the only fish im missing are from chaos and surface
maybe i should do some surface runs

[distant ocean]

I wouldn't focus on buffing hitch anymore though, it's basically just there for the duo, curse, and sirens and maybe some large hp aoe encounters, otherwise skulls should obliterate anyways

other hera things are good tho, like commonless dmg omega dmg on full magick etc

[glossy rivet]

how big a deal is rarifying born gain?

[distant ocean]

born gain's not very essential

[glossy rivet]

i could narc it from common to heroic but im already at high hp

[distant ocean]

persephone skulls is a very efficient build all things considered

[glossy rivet]

so far i have dem, hera, aphro
should i force apollo in oceanus? or zeus

[zenith bolt]

yo dawg i heard you like debuffs https://i.imgur.com/WqwUsDZ.png

[distant ocean]

I would start moving towards it

[glossy rivet]

though i already have aphro cast

[distant ocean]

make sure you're hitting all the legendary requirements

[glossy rivet]

oh apollo for his legendary?

idk my cores already decently filled though

[distant ocean]

rip, just doubles your omega outputs

[glossy rivet]

i mean im probably still ok without it... right

[distant ocean]

yeah, but there's no real point in apollo, would probably focus on getting aphro hera duo lol

I just realized that using aphro means you can't even get apollo legendary

unless you drop hera special

[spare kite]

Apollo's requirements for the legend are so

[distant ocean]

apollo attack is really good on skulls though cuz the extra aoe can help single target in some aspects too with greater overlap

[glossy rivet]

tis for next time
maybe when im actually doing 20 fear instead of just trying the skull out on 0 fear lol

[wintry tree]

Funny enough, I had no idea ||eris || sometimes shows up in the beginning of tartarus bc i never got her. On the other side, my friend got her on every single one of his runs after she first appears and thought she was just part of it.

[distant ocean]

for sure : )

[zenith bolt]

god this run just has everything, doesnt it https://i.imgur.com/LLBCfOV.png

[distant ocean]

i got her for the first 10'ish runs lol

[acoustic pier]

https://imgur.com/a/lDaJmdT

[zenith bolt]

just casually hitting 410 damage ticks on axe spin now

[acoustic pier]

anyone ever seen this before? these run is bussin (aspect of pan)

[wintry tree]

Funny how randomness can work

[distant ocean]

double duo, never seen it

[tall notch]

YOO NEW DASH FEELS SO GOOD

[zenith bolt]

lol. https://i.imgur.com/eCL2HUl.png

[tired fulcrum]

Its not rng. Its based on how early youre progressing through regions. Though they mightve changed her in the last patch

[timber pawn]

Wait did they patch already?

[spare kite]

#hades2-patch-notes ye

[zenith bolt]

one tick of axe spin https://i.imgur.com/Jwp02RW.png

[wintry tree]

I must have been pretty bad then 😂

And yeah they said they fixed that

[spare kite]

Oh I missed that in the notes I wonder what it is

[timber pawn]

Oh wow, fantastic

[distant ocean]

pretty effin sick brah

axe has the biggest numbers, big chop specifically has the girthiest numbers ever

it's just hard to translate that into dps since axe be a slow one

[tall notch]

Yes

[carmine zodiac]

When using the +2 power per hit modifier I didn't see any change per damage tik after consecutive hits. Is this a bug or does it only proc with multipliers or something?

[steep heron]

man, the dash feels weird after the patch, at least with the torches

[tall notch]

I am loving it on Eos

[weak wave]

woooooo dash got fixed downloading the patch to check it out

[zenith bolt]

more https://i.imgur.com/WnqH4UE.png

[tall notch]

Just made it out of 32 fear Oceanus in 6:45 without even using a route with the least encounters

[steep heron]

it felt weird with special spam, not attack

[zenith bolt]

there it is https://i.imgur.com/iiqRIFQ.png

extra +30% damage there

[distant ocean]

i wonder if it's multiplicative

[zenith bolt]

yo dawg we heard you like damage boosts https://i.imgur.com/eHjnZ7l.png

[timber pawn]

Wew

[jade cairn]

I need help. Is it possible to have these two in the same built and activated at the same time if i use my omega cast.
Solar Ring - After your omega cast expires, rapidly deals multiple instances of damage in an area
and
Anvil Ring - Your Casts deal damage 3 times in succession, but in a smaller area.

[zenith bolt]

(not seen: the +50% omega damage from well item)

[spare kite]

No, those are core boons so can only have 1 at a time

[zenith bolt]

can't have two of any strike/flourish/ring/sprint/gain

[jade cairn]

How to know if its core boon cause i did combine demeter tornado cast with hephaustus anvil ring cast

[zenith bolt]

core boons are strike, flourish, ring, sprint, and gain (for attacks, specials, casts, dash/sprint, and magick regen respectively)
they appear on the left in those slots

[jade cairn]

Can anvil ring, demeter tornado cast and hermes expand cast be together then?

[spare kite]

Expand cast is from apollo, but yeah those can be combined

[civic ocean]

apollo expaqnd cast yeah

[zenith bolt]

"your cast expands over time" is apollo, but yeah, since cyclone cast and expanding cast aren't "ring" boons

[jade cairn]

sorry forgot which is which

[carmine zodiac]

Hey, When using the +2 power per hit modifier I didn't see any change per damage tik after consecutive hits. Is this a bug or does it only proc with multipliers or something?

[jade cairn]

So i can stack them as multiplier to a main boon cast?

[zenith bolt]

they would all work together yeah

so your cast would have a smaller starting size with anvil ring, do damage 3 times + create a cyclone, and also expand over time

[jade cairn]

Where can i find these information whether its main cast or non main cast. Cause cyclone also does damage no?

[zenith bolt]

if it ends with the word "ring", then it's a core cast boon and can't stack with other "ring" boons

[jade cairn]

Oh ok thx

[zenith bolt]

likewise with strike for attacks, flourish for specials, sprint for dash/sprint, and gain for magick regen

[summer seal]

It's in the name of the boon. Attack boons end with strike, Special boons end with flourish, cast boons end with ring ring, sprint is self explanatory, and mana regen boons end with gain

[versed escarp]

any way to make air quality appear more often?

[spare kite]

Aphro being a menace and still having passion dash as naming convention lmao

[jade cairn]

Oh thats so informational. Now i understand. They should have explain it in the game lolz

[zenith bolt]

other than fulfilling the requirements for it (taking a zeus boon + you have at least 2 air), no

[trim charm]

is there any way of looking for the boons online? like a sheet or smth

[tired turret]

You can get a book that let's you view them all

Its an incantation although idk the requirements to trigger it

[spare kite]

Take the delete boons vow

[jade cairn]

Can i only have one of each in the game?

[trim charm]

oh okay, i didn't know about that

[tired turret]

Delete boons is fun

[spare kite]

(unlock all god keepsakes)

[tired turret]

Ah

Ty

[spare kite]

The materials need at least an eris kill iirc tho or two

[zenith bolt]

2 ambrosia (need to have taverna unlocked), 2 poppy (from tartarus), 1 golden apple (from beating eris)

[summer seal]

Yes, you can only have one of each core boon in a run. So no two boons that end with Srike, Flourish, Ring, Sprint, or Gain

[versed escarp]

thanks thanks!

[spare kite]

I wonder if the freebie from eris mentioned in the notes is an apple actually

[tired turret]

2 eris kills iirc

[summer seal]

A god might offer their version of a core boon even if you already have one in that slot, but if you take it it will replace the one you already have

[zenith bolt]

its just some ash and psyche iirc. you can grab it by going up to her spot in crossroads

[spare kite]

Lame

[zenith bolt]

it's supposed to be something she gives you in like the first 10 runs or so lol

[jade cairn]

WHich is more powerful, Hephaustuc anvil ring or appollo solar ring. In terms of damage.

[spare kite]

Still hoping that the incantation materials get reduced lol

[livid bone]

So it seems to me that the Apollo legendary is not doubling the damage of the Persephone skull omega special projectiles. Is this a known bug or am I misinterpreting the boon? I've had it before on Artemis dagger attack and it triggered two seperate omega attacks, one after the other.

[zenith bolt]

solar ring iirc

[livid bone]

It increases the magick use to 40, btw

[tired fulcrum]

Common solar ring does 150 total which i think is less but theres the duo

[zenith bolt]

isnt common anvil ring 50x3

[tired fulcrum]

Idk

[jade cairn]

ok thx

[zenith bolt]

• solar ring has the benefit of you taking apollo instead of hephaestus

[tired fulcrum]

Also zeus duo

[zenith bolt]

so you have access to cast that gets bigger (anvil ring also nerfs your range too)

[tired fulcrum]

Which does a crapload of dmg

[carmine zodiac]

When using the +2 power per hit modifier I didn't see any change per damage tik after consecutive hits. Is this a bug or does it only proc with multipliers or something?

[summer seal]

And Apollo works better with the arcana that increases damage if they're in your cast. IN my opinion at least

[copper sun]

unless something changed in the last update they're not mutually exclusive; I've gotten expanding Hephaestus casts

this isn't a serious recommendation of the combo, to be clear, just a comment

[zenith bolt]

you have to take 2 gods to get it then instead of just 1

so apollo still holds the advantage

[dim rune]

Having been playing a lot with no mana and high amounts of prime, depending on the build, I appreciate that Hephaestus always gives the anvil hits.

For Apollo you HAVE to omega cast as far as I know, and sometimes you just can't if you're fully primed.

[copper sun]

for damage it's pretty clearly Hephaestus, as long as you can consistently nail the casts

[summer seal]

Yeah, no damage on base cast for Apollo, has to be omega

[copper sun]

if you're using your cast just to boost damage, then take Apollo's

[livid bone]

Heph also has one of the two gain boons that're actually worth something if you're going fully primed

[copper sun]

I like Hephaestus' cast a lot but for some reason the game doesn't give me his cast unless I have another one of his boons already, even when I reroll

[spare kite]

You have like 6 cores for the game to choose, is annoying to get the one you want

[jade cairn]

Whats the diff between daze and weak? Both just makes sure you dont get that damage from attack.

[livid bone]

Apollo is slightly better for damage overall, but not for the case specifically. Heph, on the other hand, gives extreme amounts of survivability with the support boons, especially Mint Condition, as well as stuff like Trusty Shield

[zenith bolt]

daze makes them miss, weak makes them do less damage

[tired fulcrum]

Daze lets you dodge chronos oneshot lol

[livid bone]

One makes the enemy likely to miss and the other reduces damage, so one is more highroll- y than the other

[dim rune]

I prefer Daze over Weak. Weak is pretty, well... weak overall. Only really useful in that it's easy to apply for 2 curse bonus damage.

[jade cairn]

I did my run with hemp and aphro. did not die once, got all my death defiance tanky as heck, my cast was crazy good. attack and special with hemp was 200 damage left and right

[zenith bolt]

weak has some pretty good means of activating it at least with aphro cast/dash

[dim rune]

When stuff is already doing extra % damage with high fear I feel like Weak just doesn't do enough to keep you safe, versus miss/dodge to just negate the damage entirely.

[zenith bolt]

very consistent, if nothing else

[glossy rivet]

damn i had a generous boon pool
too bad they never happen when i actually try high fear runs

[dim rune]

True enough, miss/dodge doesn't always work but weak is almost always there.

[livid bone]

Weak has one of the best ways to activate against bosses with Glamour Gain, if you're going magickless such as with Momus spam

[zenith bolt]

most curses are kinda just 1/2 for origination in my eyes

[restive perch]

which hammers to pick on an eos torches attack spam build?

[livid bone]

Otherwise inferior to born gain in every way

[dim rune]

Yeah I was gonna say it's really nice to have the 1 enemy always has weak.

[winter orbit]

did aphro get nerfed?

[zenith bolt]

split fire and the one that makes omega attack cost less
the extra damage/worse speed one is cool if you dont mind the worse speed

[livid bone]

I like the 30% move speed one

[glossy rivet]

had coarse grit wispy wiles and brave face on
could go unga bunga soaking hits from chronos if i wanted to probably

[dim rune]

I still just don't get the torches. I find them just not fun.

[livid bone]

Although split fire is best in slot

[restive perch]

dire candle any good? ( omega attack fires 1 shot that deals +1500% damage but uses +20 ⭐)

[livid bone]

I personally found it a downgrade almost, since it takes way too long to fire that one attack

[zenith bolt]

basically completely changes your playstyle and can feel really bad at times but still good damage

[restive perch]

gotcha

can also choose the one with +10 dmg & 30% movement speed so I'll pick that one thnx

[livid bone]

I'd much rather try to go for born gain and spam the 50 base attacks all day

[snow rover]

best aspect of charon special boons? obv appolo for cast but special?
i saw someone using zeus special but it seems to only trigger once per cast and thus have terrible damage?

[jade cairn]

there is this one duo boon i think, your first three hits restore your health. from hemp and aphro can someone confirm this

[hollow stag]

What are good boons and hammers for skulls?

[copper sun]

I like Poseidon special on Revaal

[spare kite]

I think you only want zeus special for the duo anyways

[copper sun]

makes using the special less dangerous

[glossy rivet]

twisting crash and high % boons on special imo for skull

hera or apollo or aphro

[copper sun]

as for hammers, more skull shells is always a good pick

don't recall the name of the specific hammer

[glossy rivet]

oh this is for a special focused skull build
like on persephone aspect

[dim rune]

I forget which aspect it is (the one that makes your attacks stick to you), but I LOVE the hammer that makes you shoot all your shells at once.

[glossy rivet]

does full salvo make all the shells fire at full power for mel skull?

i had persephone skull with twisting special and full salvo it was ruthless

[copper sun]

Aspect of Medea

[livid bone]

Hera is pretty good on skull special, especially if you get the hammer that fires to one side but also gives 120% damage bonus and much higher range. Just have to circle the field anti-clockwise

It's huge aoe combos well with Hera

[dim rune]

Does that hammer make the omega special fire on the same side every time or is it random?

[copper sun]

same side every time

[livid bone]

Always the left side

[glossy rivet]

just use twisting crash imo

the special waves shoot back on itself which is double damage and without the side confusion

[livid bone]

Yeah, that's the best hammer

But you get what you get

[dim rune]

Holy that's like actually massive. I was avoiding it because I never realized it was the same side. I thought it was random and I was annoyed.

[glossy rivet]

also why does it feel like the patch's increased sprint speed only applies in crossroads lol

[livid bone]

Apollo or Aphro is better with twirling crash

[calm kayak]

Can i suggesting After frog, and Cat, next pet Will be a Flying creature?!? Maybe megpie, quetzal Bird that helps searching treasures during the runs

[glossy rivet]

last run i got chaos affluence by erebus and i came out of the run with 5 more charoncards feelsgood

[livid bone]

But why does it seem like the Apollo legendary is not doubling the projectiles of my Persephone skull specials? Has anybody else has that happen to them?

I don't even have twirling crash

So it's not an interaction between the two

Only went for Apollo for the double omega

[jade cairn]

Soft caress. Duo boon from hemp and aphro.
The first time u take damage, it give u 100% health. Its so OP if you are dying after each encounter.

[white steppe]

did they fix the blades bounties in the new patch?

[jade cairn]

Theres a new patch?

[tired fulcrum]

#hades2-patch-notes

[white steppe]

so uh did they?

[tired fulcrum]

Dunno

Does it say in the notes

[white steppe]

no but it could be under the "various other fixes" portion

[queen lily]

does anyone have an idea how to defeat eris?

[hollow stag]

Go behind her

[copper sun]

learn to predict her attacks and make good use of the ability to slow down time when you're channeling

second tip may or may not help you as much—for me, it was all about predicting her movements more than slowing them

[glossy rivet]

you can also grab hestia sprint huehue

[queen lily]

she’s so annoying, in and out of combat, i feel like i can’t get to her to hit her 💀

[copper sun]

oh, and leave yourself room to maneuver. if you get up close to her, don't stick around while she's firing her big AOE attacks if you're not sure you can avoid them

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1240734931014123681/very_funny_eris.mp4?ex=6647a3f3&is=66465273&hm=312472998dfab287fd0d5fc7422d67c738ca0e06d2d207df8549f2358bec3759& my funniest eris fight

[copper sun]

you might be playing a little too cautiously

[copper sun]

Born Gain my beloved

[versed bear]

I'm trying to get my first clear and I think I've found a decent build to go for, but what special boon is ideal for a staff build that spams Omega Special?

[zenith bolt]

rank 4 metallic droplet my beloved

[queen lily]

yk just trying not to die on 5 hp 💀

[copper sun]

if you're reaching the Eris fight with 5 HP, something went wrong before you got to Eris (for me, it's usually Charybdis)

[hollow stag]

Born Gain should’ve been a Duo or Legendary boon, or at least locked behind 2 Hera’s boons.

[copper sun]

eh, I don't think it's so strong that it should punish you like that :P

[queen lily]

the wrong is me: i can’t play 💀

[copper sun]

seriously speaking, though, I think it's a strong boon but not as busted as people make it out to be

[copper sun]

it's all about practice!

[hollow stag]

Unlimited MP, no need to wait for MP to fill up

[spare kite]

Hera attack truly has the prettiest visual effects lmao (and good build ig)

[copper sun]

if they wanted to actually nerf Born Gain, the way to do it is to make the Unseen arcana cost less grasp

[versed bear]

What's that one Hestia boon where your Omega Special also launches a giant fireball?

[copper sun]

(I think the regen card is called Unseen)

[zenith bolt]

if they wanted to nerf born gain they could just decrease how much magick it restores (instead of 100%)

[zenith bolt]

it is, and i dont even use unseen any more

[copper sun]

that's basically what it does now

it restores successively less magick

[zenith bolt]

i mean to say "it primes some magick, and then restores less than all your remaining"

[copper sun]

the issue is that it's a flat penalty rather than a scaling one

[zenith bolt]

e.g. if you had a common one and 100 magick and it activated you'd prime 10 magick and restore 45

[copper sun]

if it reduced your magick by 10% intervals it'd be fine

[hollow stag]

It’s no MP Penalty at all. Unlimited MP with no waits.

[zenith bolt]

it does have a penalty though that's literally what the priming is they should just make it prime more honestly

[copper sun]

very easy way to make it a much worse boon—it'd go from 45 to 40 to 35, and within a few seconds it'd be useless and you'd be out of Magick

I would rather it just prime a percentage rather than a flat 8/10

[hollow stag]

It can prime way more, the results are still the same

[zenith bolt]

...on a common, unupgraded one, with 100 magick...

[spare kite]

That small of a penalty might as well not exist lol

[copper sun]

if it primed 80% of your magick surely you wouldn't go "it's an unlimited magick restorer"

[tired fulcrum]

Its hard to balance born gain with how it scales with both poms and magick cap

[naive root]

Hi, can I ask for advices with a trial I can't beat here ? Or is there a place for it ?

[copper sun]

this is the place :)

[zenith bolt]

yeah this would be the place

[spare kite]

Ask away

[naive root]

I tried a lot of times the trial "Love Trial" (not sure about translation), in which you play with Aphrodite and the Torches, and that you complete by beating Eris

[zenith bolt]

trial of heartache?

[naive root]

No matter how hard I try, she always beat me up very, very, veeery hard

[zenith bolt]

yea i struggled a bit with that one as well

[hollow stag]

The way I’m using it with axe, it’s pretty much unlimited. Need 20-30 MP and that’s all you need.

[zenith bolt]

imo it's the second hardest trial behind haste

[naive root]

My best shot was something like 30% of her hp

[copper sun]

okay but this obviously isn't unlimited for all uses. "I'm not using as much magick as other builds" doesn't mean it's unlimited magick

[zenith bolt]

axe really doesn't need that much magick regen though either. like by base you only really need like 7/s to be net positive on axe spin

[spare kite]

Haste from the 1 attempt I did killed all the motivation

[zenith bolt]

heartache actually took me more attempts than haste but haste i still feel is harder

[hollow stag]

That changes if you get faster channel boons

[zenith bolt]

i think at the end of the day it's just learning eris

[naive root]

I'm not sure which one is Haste, to be fair

[copper sun]

which one is the Haste trial

[spare kite]

Heartache at least allowed me to test how fu Eos can be

[copper sun]

I don't know them by name, just by weapon/region combo

[naive root]

Alright, then I guess I'll have to try again and again

[spare kite]

Clear fields in 5 minutes

[copper sun]

oh, that one was tricky but I think I got it on my second try

[spare kite]

Apollo attack/movement speed buffs

[zenith bolt]

staff of mel, metallic droplet, fields of mourning
bunch of apollo and hermes for fast movement/attacks
5 minutes timer

[copper sun]

hardest part was Cerberus because sometimes he dives for longer than you want

[zenith bolt]

i got to cerb with like 2 minutes on my winning run and i still had to tank the timer for like a good 20-30 seconds

[naive root]

Wait, I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing 😮

[zenith bolt]

for the aphrodite eris torches trial (the one you're talking about)

i think it just comes down to learning eris more than anything else

[naive root]

What I called "Trials" are in the purple crystal, and I feel like you speak about the parchment to up the "teror"

[copper sun]

no, pajama day is also talking about the Trials

[snow breach]

I've heard that outgoing damage mods are all additive with each other. What about incoming damage mods, i.e. "Weak enemies take 20% more damage". Is that still just additive with my base damage?

[naive root]

Cause I don't have anything such as "Clearing in five minuts" 😮

[zenith bolt]

it's a different trial

[copper sun]

not all of the Trials appear immediately

[hollow stag]

Double Moonshot hammer for Staff is definitely getting nerfed. It’ll probably be a single moonshot that does +50% damage.

[zenith bolt]

i expect it to just be momus or poseidon that gets nerfed

double moonshot isn't particularly crazy on the other two staves

momus is like inarguably the best aspect in the game, and poseidon has insane synergy with it and pan

[civic ocean]

I am currently on the struggle bus trying to do Mel Staff 32 atm I have resorted to just using AQ Scorch

[hollow stag]

Momus is amazing with Demeter too, if you get hammer that hits 2 other adds

[livid tartan]

Damn, Hell Splitter, while not the best hammer, feels satisfying to land lol

[civic ocean]

I feel like it will be Momus itself that takes a pretty heavy nerf, I currently have it being like lamely overpowered even without poseidon

[livid tartan]

BONK

[glossy rivet]

Momsus

[zenith bolt]

amomus

i dont think any of the other aspects are too noteworthy for a nerf to them specifically

i think poseidon nerf is possible too

and then probably scorch buffs

[hollow stag]

I hope Thanatos Axe +crit interaction with both Psychic Whirlwind and Advanced Whirlwind gets fixed

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1240739622988939264/image.png?ex=6647a851&is=664656d1&hm=7ff3a79947d0efac5ad7cc9361a56821f13646635a2911c538b0702a9143dc05& ok I had no idea this exists

[zenith bolt]

no way, it's real???

[tall notch]

I probably just threw the run but I have to try

[zenith bolt]

how tf even do you get barren to appear

just throw rerolls at chaos until they finally give it?

[spare kite]

For heroic that looks like pretty low upgrade from epic for channel speed

[steel sequoia]

man playing judgement in eris path doesnt feel good

[zenith bolt]

it's heroic bc the mf never shows up

[spare kite]

1 boss moment

[zenith bolt]

barren is the only curse of chaos im missing (and the blessings are just un-finishable )

[hollow stag]

I got ~22% channel omega moves faster boon, though 11 encounters is way too long with a steep downside.

[zenith bolt]

well, unless recent patch fixed prowess and finesse

nope, they're still there https://i.imgur.com/9Quen0y.png

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1240740404714799315/image.png?ex=6647a90c&is=6646578c&hm=2457f4edfe56cb7b721e3710955d18c7b5d738d4c4a23255837ef280b291c817& it doesn't seem to have disabled the dash one?

[zenith bolt]

lol? that's a p easy bug report i guess

[copper sun]

probably because today's update changed how it was marked

[zenith bolt]

welp 1 room in and it's already a won run https://i.imgur.com/qbE4092.jpeg

[copper sun]

huge Momus W

is that the Poseidon trinket?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[shadow marsh]

At that point momus doesn't even matter

The question is do you get double moonshot

[hollow stag]

30 more damage helps a lot

[zenith bolt]

it's still 40% of the damage

and yup ok that's a wrap https://i.imgur.com/EbqNlqK.jpeg

[fierce sand]

I did a run and noticed that Glorious Disaster (the Apollo and Zeus duo boon) will cancel out the following cast effect of Demeter's Local Climate boon.

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/AHLw7Jc.png easiest run of my life

[hollow stag]

The downside of using staff special is that your right thumb will hurt from so much mashing.

[zenith bolt]

right thumb?

i right click with my middle finger lol

[shadow marsh]

Local climate doesn't work with a few things. The most jarring is that the cyclone on cast doesn't follow. Since they're both demeter boons I feel that one at least should work.

[summer seal]

jfc, you should just get a special pre-emptive win at that point

[fierce sand]

controler I assume

[restive perch]

what's a proper eos build? which gods/ boons?

[zenith bolt]

hera, take born gain and her attack. everything else is kinda your choice

[restive perch]

for attack spam?

[zenith bolt]

omega attack spam yeah

[restive perch]

gotcha

[copper sun]

"how do I make a good build for X?"
"take Born Gain"

[shadow marsh]

So true

[zenith bolt]

ok torches get the benefit of the doubt bc they literally can't regenerate magick without born gain

[copper sun]

no I get what you mean it's just funny that Born Gain is good in like 90% of builds

only exception that leaps to mind is Backstab blades

[tall notch]

If you don't want to play born gain, you can start passion dash and build towards either her duo boon with zeus or the air quality scorch combo

[spare kite]

Is like recommending tidal dash in 90% of the builds lmao

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/YnLiumi.jpeg i almost have king tide and i haven't even fought hecate yet

[civic ocean]

my personal ban list atm is Poseidon Momus and Born Gain

[copper sun]

I think Born Gain is pretty strong but I think it's smarter just to make the Unseen cost less Grasp

[civic ocean]

its not that simple right because it costing less messes up the 0 cost cards

[copper sun]

that's the thing that deters me from taking it every time—I don't really want to spend 5 Grasp for something that's outclassed by a boon (that in itself is not that hard to get)

[copper sun]

there are other 5-cost cards

[zenith bolt]

unseen being cheaper doesn't help torches completely turning off magick regen the moment you click the attack button

[copper sun]

that's true; I was thinking more broadly, though

[zenith bolt]

and unseen is outclassed by most other magick regen boons anyway

[shadow marsh]

Born gain is definitely the problem

[civic ocean]

I think The Unseen is just outclassed by remembering how much juice you have per floor until you get a gain (especially, on Torches, from Chaos)

[fierce sand]

Is that a purposeful thing, or just a bug?

[shadow marsh]

No idea, I f10'd it.

I think the thing that makes born gain so strong is it's basically the only magick regeneration that works while you're channeling.

[civic ocean]

the other side of the problem is that a lot of the other gains leave a lot to be desired like whaaaaaaat is Tranquil Gain doing here

[white steppe]

got hammer before echo and she didnt give me the double last reward option. she is no friend of mine

[zenith bolt]

oceanus btw https://i.imgur.com/lKKEpDo.png

[grave forge]

I'd rather have The Unseen be more regen than less Grasp

[civic ocean]

it'd have to be like double I feel

[tired fulcrum]

Id rather the unseen be replaced by channeling speed

[grave forge]

less Grasp it'd still be basically a placeholder until you get a Gain Boon

[steel sequoia]

ill make newb runs to fill my keepsakes, cant afford losing to cyclops lmao

[civic ocean]

Or maybe not double but slightly more, and the thing that I think is 100% the issue is that they should remove the qualifier that Mana regeneration turns off when you do things that spend mana (This is another reason why Born Gain is insane, and Poseidon and Heph have the other two best gains IMO

[hollow stag]

30 grasps is very generous. It fits nearly all the necessary cards for momus staff except the arcana staff that turns minor gate to major ones.

[copper sun]

I would also like if the regen delay was entirely removed from Unseen

doesn't really feel like there's a reason for it

[civic ocean]

I think the regen delay should just be removed in general, and the numbers reduced on some to compensate

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1240744274450972672/perfectly_balanced.mp4?ex=6647aca6&is=66465b26&hm=ba73f8e92e7a795b4c30e7da3acc8d422850c7db953a90e93978fd38cf5e3748&

[civic ocean]

Like Tranquil and Ionic are both just bricking you run I feel

[copper sun]

this is true, I just couldn't think of anything that had the regen delay besides Unseen because I never take most of the Gains

[copper sun]

#1 reason not to take Momus or Poseidon—you don't get to hear the Sirens sing

[severe furnace]

I secretly hope that the arcana cards will have reversed versions like tarot cards but that'll likely be too crazy

[civic ocean]

Could be!

[restive perch]

does born gain need to be high rarity for it to be gud?

[zenith bolt]

getting it down to like 6 is enough

[civic ocean]

no, born gain is incredible once your mana pool gets above like 100

[zenith bolt]

higher prime = need to take more magick upgrades

[copper sun]

pomming it once is always enough for me

[restive perch]

gotcha

[civic ocean]

and taking a mana pot is basically pomming it

[white steppe]

hm. is than a cast aspect in disguise? im running zeus cast w double strike on aphro axe and its kinda competing for dmg with the spin lul, the bolts crit

[steel sequoia]

learnign stuff everyday

[tired fulcrum]

When charon axe is the worst castpect

[steel sequoia]

the extra seconds are annoying ngl

[civic ocean]

It depends - something that has come up for me a lot in high Fear runs is that you just need something up front to get through Erebus - so if you're building around Than Axe, even on the attack and maybe you want to go for Spiteful Strength because of how good it makes your spin, you could still do that - just take Zeus early for Storm Ring if offered

[cursive knot]

Yeah feels bad when using stuff like eos torches and have to stop your omega attack dps to regen.

[distant ocean]

feels bad playing torches Bl (we are so back! hera gain is good on bad things only.)

lol

[civic ocean]

Yeah I'm having a real hard time coming up with an idea of what to do on Mel Torches