h2-discussion

[prisma monolith]

Wait then how does the surface feels harder then?

Wait no

Yeah it is harder, thats what I want yes

I dont like doing underworld cause is easy

[bitter stirrup]

Only thing that balances underworld slightly compared to surface is Rivals 1, 2, 4

[prisma monolith]

Yeah but rhats just the bosses, the rest of the biome still feels boring

To me

[bitter stirrup]

Hecate way harder than Polyphemus (especially because Ephyra power level is so high compared to Erebus)
Scylla way harder than Eris
Chronos about as hard as Typhon

[prisma monolith]

Agreed

[hushed cloak]

I mean fair, I just have on frenzy 2 basically forever now and I'm still not that good at the game so the windows to actually get damage in and not take 40 damage to the face are really tiny to me

[prisma monolith]

I already asked for a mod in the discord, hopefully someone can make it

[bitter stirrup]

Problem with surface is Thessaly and Olympus are so long and the enemies feel too strong

[prisma monolith]

Eh, they feel right to me, we should bring the underworld up to that level,

[bitter stirrup]

If you asked someone what enemies felt the most "unfair" probably 9/10 would be Olympus enemies

[prisma monolith]

Obvs, as a late game change

[royal cradle]

Frenzy 2 is by far the hardest vow... it's something I only started taking after I was very comfortable with Rivals 4. You might be doing things in the wrong order, but to everyone their own way of enjoying the game ^^

[hushed cloak]

Buh

[bitter stirrup]

It wouldn't be too bad if you simply scaled underworld enemies damage and health I agree but if you changed their mechanics to be as complicated as surface enemies that would be disgusting

[hushed cloak]

Someone told me it's a good vow to get used to early 😭

[prisma monolith]

Im talking purely numbers yes, not change the enemies

[hushed cloak]

Lol me

[bitter stirrup]

It's good to get used to early if you want to achieve 40+, 50+, 60+ fear

[prisma monolith]

If youre ever gonna use it, yes is good to do it early, its not soemthign you turn on and off, its either always off and always on

[bitter stirrup]

But honestly if you ask me underworld is already balanced decently for 20 minute timer, surface can be timer hell because of how Thessaly and Olympus work

[royal cradle]

They might have been screwing with you 😄
Though I get their point, because you kinda have to relearn the game when you take frenzy. But it's a huge spike in difficulty.

[prisma monolith]

Fair, I dont use timer

[bitter stirrup]

Would probably have to change Erebus and Oceanus rewards odds if UW enemies were scaled

[prisma monolith]

Dream dives gave me a test of a fun underworld and I want it in regular runs

[limpid oar]

If someone's goal is to push high fear, it's good advice as they will absolutely have to get used to frenzy 2 at some point

[prisma monolith]

^

After youve gotten used to frenzy, turning it off might make the gams harder, since you will dash sooner than you expected, then get hit

Its all about muscle memory

Thats why you turn it on ASAP and forget about it

Or never turn it on

[bitter stirrup]

Also why Freeze can be harmful for bossfights

[royal cradle]

Like I said, I get the point. But using Frenzy when you don't even know the bosses' patterns feels like putting the cart before the horse...

[prisma monolith]

It's up to you at the end of the day

You can always simply not use it

I dont. Dont like it

[willow fog]

Freeze has definitely caused me problems for bosses

Basically giving them a stutterstep

[prisma monolith]

😔

[blissful fog]

oh i finally got my last poppy

does attempting to wake up hypnos unlock dream dives?

[cursive nacelle]

Yes

[blissful fog]

alright ty

[willow fog]

Whats the best fear to turn on early on?

[radiant ore]

the time one

[whole remnant]

I recommend if you plan to move up get used to time and Frenzy

[eager gust]

you have to be rlly slow to run out with time 1

[whole remnant]

putting them off makes it harder

[eager gust]

how hard is it to learn frenzy?

i ran h1 with its equivalent on permanently

[whole remnant]

i mean its an adjustment but you wanna learn full frenzy before VOR IMO

because if you don't you pretty much relearn the VOR fights

[eager gust]

i shouldve done that before deciding to go for all the VOR

[whole remnant]

Hordes early is good to get used to if you leave pain/grit off

[eager gust]

im stuck on rivals cronos rn

[whole remnant]

yeah my 32f loudout hand frenzy 1 and VOR4

mistake, adding in frenzy 2 between 32-40 was a big adjustment

also had max time on by 32

[eager gust]

which rivals final boss is harder

[whole remnant]

and Hordes and Fangs

then i trickled stuff in until i hit 62 my current state

doing 62 surface because i cleared UW with most aspects at 62, not the axes im not great with them 60 Nergal and 58 Mel Axe are best axe clears. Charon falls off high fear a lot. Supay and Charon are hurt by high fear a lot which sucks loved them at mid fear. Supay with breaker rush/on hits atk/special or strong on hits with a strong nexus rush were my favorite

[halcyon rain]

time

[bitter stirrup]

Personally I think they're about equal but apparently consensus is Chronos is harder

[willow fog]

Got it, I just need 4 fear

[halcyon rain]

how much fear are you trying to run?

[whole remnant]

still are my 62UW clear had Zeus attack, Poseidon Waves rare hidden helix and melting helix hammers nd it was pommed to 7 which echo doubled to 14 so had 3 wave helixes doing 100 wave dmg, air quality active so 50 regular damage, and the +100 armor and an epic pommed breaker rush, static shock, stacked

[willow fog]

I guess 8 is the first breakpoint, what order would u add em on

[whole remnant]

Chronos is the harder VOR4

i dislike Scylla VOR a lot unless you have like a strong hitch spreading build

[nova oar]

Time and frenzy

[willow fog]

Thankss

[halcyon rain]

for 8? uhh
time 2, frenzy 1, denial maybe? or shadow or hubris it doesnt really matter
or you can just go time 3 frenzy 2

[whole remnant]

agreed

time 3, frenzy 2 - get used to it now and it saves a headache later of inserting them

[willow fog]

Thanksss

[whole remnant]

i'd do a fangs or menace some combo or hordes over denial or shadow

hubris is fine depending on aspect

but if its magick heavy you gotta grab more magick pots can't purge them, gotta choose over heath sometimes depending how many rare/epics youre getting

[halcyon rain]

i think menace is really free fear but i think getting used to denial is important too, not to the same extent of getting used to frenzy for sure, but still nice to being used to "planning ahead" on your builds

also i think denial makes the game more fun unironically

[whole remnant]

i think getting used to denial is good but like step 2

denial on the second or third statues

menace and fangs 1 is pretty easy fear

fangs 2 a little trickier but you adjust

learn the magic of stuff like melting swipe/melting sickle etc...

i saved pain, grit, scars3, and debt for the end

sprinkled those on starting with grit and debt alternating, then pain, then scars3

[eager gust]

i love how everyone just pretends void isnt there

because who is maxing that out

[whole remnant]

people

who are crazy

there are plenty of 67 clears, more 65

i've been thinking of trying 65 UW with Mel Staff or Mel Skulls but doing more 62 surface and dream dives before, getting ready its jump from 62 to 65

mel staff is the easiest aspect to clear high fear/max fear with

but i'm also really good with mel skulls and skulls are crazy fast if you're good with them

Mel Skulls and Persepone are 2/4 weapons i have the trifecta of 62 UW/Surface/Dream Dive clear with

Mel Staff and Circe are the other two they're busted aspects as well like i said

almost had a Hel Dream Dive failed near end but was close, that would have been all three, i'm working on mel coat 62 surface that would join trifecta

and Moros Surface 62, as well as Dream Dives Moros 62/Mel Blades 62, lol Mel has such better aspects than Zag

Zag fists were pretty good, bow meh, rest were trash

mel torches probably her weakest, idk depends on numerous factors and fear level, like mel axe needs dashing heave high fear or mid fear dashing heave or at least Rapid Hack+Nimble Limbs pref rare/epic

but still definitely overall would rank it above torches, and blades are good, only one besides morrigan that survive higher up withou trick knives although it badly wants trick knives

it can survive with like reaper/dancing knives

morrigan can't get TK ofc

sweeping ambush or final slice are its major hammers either pair with stuff like rapid/wicked onslaught or melting sickle

ambush and phantom brand aren't bad together with hera attack or some way to spread hitch

[willow fog]

Mel torches have rly good crit tho

[whole remnant]

low base damage though

[willow fog]

Sadly yeah

Does crit apply for damage riders btw

[whole remnant]

just attacks and specials

[willow fog]

Sad

[whole remnant]

flutter flourish and slow cooker is the best way to get a good crit build going

[willow fog]

So I guess the scaling damage is what gets the crit buffs

Slow cooker? Whos got that

[whole remnant]

hestia

fusion 2 power per fire boon/element

Hidden Helix helps big, Hidden Helix with Zeus special and AQ can work if you have something else to benefit like Arctic Gale

because you're triggering blitz every special and they cant do less than 50 damage then add something like a cast and Arctic Gale

thats the only build i think cleared 67 mel flames and it was surface might be a single UW one too. anubis just had 67 UW. so now Thanatos, Charon, and Supay are the only aspects not to clear high fear

er max fear (67)

they all have 65 clears in Underworld

Than is pretty mid and worse high fear and Supay and Charon fall off hard at the higher fears

mel staff has the most max fear clears ofc

[jolly hound]

Mel torches: grab ocean swell from Poseidon and put blitz in the special

[night veldt]

I've finally beaten the mountain with Rivals

||Anubis|| is so strong, and Hephaestus is carry

[halcyon rain]

and then realize "why am i not just... playing moros?"

[jolly hound]

cause 45 fear all aspects means you gotta do all aspects. but yeah, moros torches are prob the best weapon in the game

[sturdy goblet]

I will forever miss early access moros 💀

[eager gust]

what would u guys say is the best 16 fear setup

[sturdy goblet]

Rivals x3 and then fill it up with whatever you like 🫡

[jolly hound]

If you plan to keep pushing fear, frenzy 2 time 3 and then I guess shadow and rivals 1

getting the hang of frenzy early def made my life as a tryhard easier

[sturdy goblet]

Vow of time is kinda free

[jolly hound]

It intimidates people at first. But with frenzy 2 it is indeed trivial

[sturdy goblet]

And what was it that got you an onion first chamber? Denial?

[sturdy goblet]

People are scared of it 'cause they don't know the remaining time will add up to the next region

[jolly hound]

Forfeit

[sturdy goblet]

Forfeit yeah. Pretty good

[jolly hound]

I hate that one

Waiting 6 chambers to get a boon in Erebus is when time 3 becomes scary again

[willow fog]

Onion is rough

[jolly hound]

and how will I save scum

[willow fog]

Time is ok if you do region 1 fastish

[sturdy goblet]

I mean with the endgame keepsakes you're fine
I became night's champion before those

[willow fog]

Time is only an issue for me in ephyra, and even then I have a buffer

[bitter stirrup]

Time should not be an issue in Ephyra, but will usually be an issue in Thessaly and Olympus especially

Ephyra you should be doing as fast as possible so that you can save time for the hell that is to come

[plain vector]

i like judgment but its bad

[willow fog]

Im not time efficient yet

Its def the easiest place to waste time in

Im blitzing thessaly so long as I dont greet charybodis

[eager gust]

tbf i havent had a run longer than 16 minutes time is very free

[sturdy goblet]

The arcana card? It's pretty chill you can go the reverse L build and have circe's crystal figurine for first region

[marsh spear]

What's your optimal cast for Pan?

[jolly hound]

Storm ring or Hestia ring

That’s not aspect specific tho

[limpid stream]

Hades 2 is starting to mess with my perception of greek myth a bit lmao I went to go name a singer character Scylla as an allusion to the sirens and then had to be like. Hey. Wait a minute, she wasn't a siren.

[craggy totem]

I was gonna say I think the sirens in Greek myth are actually bird ladies, but upon doing a quick searcharound, it looks like while that's technically true, Homer didn't specify they were bird ladies

[limpid stream]

It was the musical theme I was playing off of, rather than any physical traits. I'll have to find a new name but that means cutting the character's ocean aestitic rip. I'm thinking one of the muses, though Eurydice may also work?

[craggy totem]

Muses are a pretty rich field to mine, there's a ton of 'em

[limpid stream]

Ironically Eurydice is another figure I frequently mix with someone else. I often mix up Eurydice with real world Euripides...maybe I'm not as much as an expert in greek myth as I thought...

[eager gust]

god i keep dying to frenzy 2 chronos 😭

i’m getting closer tho

[prisma monolith]

youll get there

[left beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1495552069250318336/1495662206681878548/orb.right.240ad468.gif

[tired iris]

What are you making a singer character for?

[limpid stream]

Short story whose connection with Hades 2 started and ended with having a character named Scylla lol

[eager gust]

i got it

time for 16 heat surface

[limpid stream]

dies to VOR Hecate twice

“Runs dead, rip”

kills Chronos extremely quickly

[jolly hound]

rivals hec has hands for sure

[limpid stream]

It was my own fault, I got bad rng on rewards and made bad build decisions with what I was given

[blazing mango]

what should i do for dionysos's trust?

also the guy with wings

[jolly hound]

give him lots of nectar and ambrosia

[blazing mango]

i can give him even his nectar hearts full?

[brisk bison]

Are we thinking that the most recent patch was probably the Last Patch™ because of the listing they just posted

[blazing mango]

i did like everything on the game just the wing guys, dionysos and vow 24 surface left to do

[ebon sigil]

bro asks for a case, and by the time you visit him again, he barely remembers the case of ambrosia you brought last time lol

[sharp brook]

tried out the new dream dives, happy to at least have Hypnos do something

[blissful fog]

i finally got enough nightmare to get the shiva coat

its pretty insane

especially with apollo special

[sharp brook]

I'm more invested in the Hestia, Hera, Demeter combo

[blissful fog]

hm

how would that work?

[sharp brook]

Demeter is more sprint focused, Hestia more special focused with Hera as basic attack. I also get myself the ring ability as Hestia

[blissful fog]

hm interesting

[sharp brook]

Slow (Ice), plus fire, plus hitch mixed together with the bonus damage Arcana card shreds through bosses

and everything else for that matter

sure it requires 3 gods to be effective, but it's fun af

[blissful fog]

i have all of them rn

2 of them heroic

and frigid rush heroic level 3

[whole remnant]

more aspects use hestia on attack really, the on hit ones, a few use hestia special, dem is known for her cast and non core boons, hera has a high damage cast if you need damage on cast plus curse. the best sprints overall are apollo and heras, unless you're looking for raw damage like on Supay then its Poseidons rush

[jolly hound]

I do get a kick out of the personal loan boon and it is surprising that he always does pay you back

[subtle shoal]

"Come help us build what's next after Hades II." 👀

i wonder if they have decided on something yet

[ebon sigil]

i almost never take the loan, because like I want to buy somehting from the shop

[willow fog]

Loan is actually pretty solid

The hp buff gets me to play like an idiot tho

[whole remnant]

loan is terrible you want money for shrines and shops on olympus

[willow fog]

Depends on how late you get it

At high rarities homeboi gave me 500 gold extra

[whole remnant]

there is always a shop before bosses

[willow fog]

I mostly use it to splurge for nightmare by the final region

[whole remnant]

nightmare is so easy to get

[willow fog]

Not where im at

[whole remnant]

just do some testaments and you can order from charon eventually

[willow fog]

I just hit that point

I can finally buy it lol

[whole remnant]

you can order it for O points from Charon too

5 for 2 nightmare

broker sells it too yeah

[willow fog]

Worth it 100%

Is 5 for 2 a good exchange rate btw

[whole remnant]

but yeah i just did testaments for most of mine and put some orders in/did some fates stuff

5 o points? yeah

they buy moondust and fates fabric otherwise

ashes and psyche are easy to farm

[willow fog]

Got it, thanks

[whole remnant]

i have over 80 unused nightmare

from finishing stuff after i upgraded everything

[willow fog]

Lotta crossroad updoots

[whole remnant]

but yeah loan can let you buy out the end shop but sometimes endshop has garbage. sometimes its great

if you have chlorex money isn't a problem

until you turn debt on

boatman is a good Arcana to start with, basically two boons

[willow fog]

True enough

Also gives access to rerolls

[whole remnant]

but yeah i don't like personal loan because next room could have a room with shrine that has like a hermes boon and end shop has a boon of a god im seeking and poms

do you have the jpom?

rerolls are a waste of arcana once you get it

[willow fog]

Not yet, no jpom

[whole remnant]

oh ok

[willow fog]

Gonna finish the game first

[whole remnant]

well when you get it fates whim baby

the last three keepsakes, two especially are amazing

[blissful fog]

dw i dont have it either

[willow fog]

Its hard to grind underworld when i need so many mats from surface

[blissful fog]

thats why i grind surface first

[whole remnant]

yeah i won;t spoil i said too much but when you get to that point max the keepsakes and play fates whim, you're so much more OP

you kinda gotta start underworld more

then you can bounce back and forth

between farming guardians to find the way to stop chronos for good

but the storyline advances with a few chronos wins

that gets it going

[blissful fog]

i already have the incantation

[whole remnant]

both?

[blissful fog]

but i js need 3 more zodiac sand and the unknown ingredient

[blissful fog]

nah only chronos

[whole remnant]

keep talking to hecate and communicating with Zag

and you'll get there

[blissful fog]

dont tell me i have to do the same with ||typhon|| 😭

[whole remnant]

what do you mean

[blissful fog]

the incantation to keep him away forever

[whole remnant]

yeah thats a precursor to have the final fight with chronos

[blissful fog]

oh

im cooked

[whole remnant]

its not that hard you probably have most of the ingrediants

[blissful fog]

i have beaten typhon only once before

[whole remnant]

you just need to advance dialogue

well typhon is easy if you learn the telegraphed moves

[blissful fog]

i know his moves

i js never get past prometheus

[whole remnant]

also Mel Staff fully upgraded is crazy powerful

and Circe Staff is pretty easy to use, the bird goes well with it

recommend those fully upgraded

prometheus wait until the points he stands still

[blissful fog]

the problem is i dont really play staff 😭

[whole remnant]

staff is OP aspect

easiest to use

[blissful fog]

i usually play coat and axe

[whole remnant]

Mel Coat is good fully upgraded

or Nyx Coat

[blissful fog]

im using shiva coat rn

[whole remnant]

thats the hardest to use and unupgraded it has low potential

whatever youre using make sure its upgraded as much as possible

of coats

[blissful fog]

bet

[willow fog]

Which moves

[blissful fog]

the one where he kicks and shoots out the projectile is so annoying to predict

[willow fog]

He poses for a sec

Look for a red glint on his feet, but tbh just circle him a lot at close range

[blissful fog]

ok ty

[willow fog]

Also for the memory game number the lanes

[blissful fog]

yeah i know that

[willow fog]

Say it out loud in order

You dpsing him down when he spawns fire around you?

Thats one of his biggest free damage windows

[blissful fog]

ye

[willow fog]

Tbh he actually doesnt have that much hp

You can bulldoze him with a half decent build

Its worth noting he barely moves if you stick close, unlike most other bosses

I q cast under him and try to circlebeat

Its his bird that kicks my ass

[elfin heron]

Prometheus is scripted to run after you until he gets in range, at which point he will attack, then stand around doing nothing for almost 3 sec
it's a very typical "bait out an attack, then dodge and punish" boss

[blissful fog]

hm

[willow fog]

Hes very weak to origination

Man has good mobility but only uses it to gap close 90% of the time

Stubby range too

[elfin heron]

Origination is global damage, nothing can resist or be "weak" to it

[willow fog]

I mean weak because its easy to set up on him

Along with casts

[torn wind]

Yeah that’s like saying “this guy is weak to being stabbed”

[willow fog]

Only has 1 real invul period and barely moves

[elfin heron]

lmao

[willow fog]

Fair enough lmao

[torn wind]

So what you mean is he’s weak to casts

[willow fog]

Yeah ig

No bs random iframes like eris

Girls squaking her way into iframes 4 times a fight

Just to get dumpstered for everything in between

[whole remnant]

not me i am 100% steel

[torn wind]

The only boss that sheds curses during the fight is Eris

Every other boss they technically stick around but their invulnerability is likely longer than the curse lasts

[willow fog]

Mhm

Also eris has horrific maneuverability too

Shes fast in one direction and shes usually missing at the same time

[somber scarab]

I kinda miss Athena being a regular boon-giver. I miss my common dash deflect

[willow fog]

Tbh most of my damage taken is greeding eris during final 10% and getting magdumped

[torn wind]

Since you can’t swat projectiles like in H1 it would be a fair deal stronger in this game. Besides that there’s generally less projectiles in this game but still

[willow fog]

Also there are like 3 boons that individually slow projectile speed

Funny enough i think its a bad boon

Becuse they spend way longer on screen

[somber scarab]

I tend to only get mag dumped in Eris’ fight when she uses the shotgun mode of the Adamant Rail

[whole remnant]

even VOR Eris I never take damage, on the surface VOR3+4 ruin my "untouchable" the most

[willow fog]

Im ngl yeah its hard to strafe consistently

[torn wind]

Gust can potentially make your cast unsafe since the projectiles stay in it longer yeah but it’s generally worth it since you can react more easily and just… step out of the way

[willow fog]

I do love abusing the brief slowdown furing boss fights tho

[willow fog]

Its more for some bullet hell segments

[somber scarab]

darn

[torn wind]

Trust me I do love gusts. They’re amazing

They’re so slept on

[willow fog]

I remember im setting up to q cast on the drummer while they choose a featured artist

Gust is rly fun yeah

Its the boon that scales best with air superiority(?)

The minimum 50 damage

[torn wind]

Arctic gale is wonderful at high fear since its massive, slows enemies, sticks around a long time, slows projectiles, and clear wards super fast

I mean honestly even without air quality their damage is pretty decent for normal encounters

Like they do about as much if not more damage than static shock in some instances

If you take into account that you’re not hitting 4 times per second with static shock usually

Just they’re not active as often

[jolly hound]

The air quality dream of static, arctic gale and tornado dash go brr

[elfin heron]

isn't thunder rush still better? you can add double strike and it doesn't linger like gust

[craggy totem]

What's wrong with lingering?

[jolly hound]

not when air quality is up, it’s 200 dps compared to thunder’s 150

and area damage too vs one target

besides ya prob need those Zeus boons for blitz and static first

Also gust is a status for origination

and makes Hecate sheep ball way more manageable

[jolly wing]

No luck on the night after.

Night 25.

Defeated Eris on 24 with Golden Nectar. Currently have 2.

[elfin heron]

does gust slow the sheep ball?

[jolly hound]

sure does

[buoyant matrix]

with frigid rush in base hecate fight, you can just keep running and it won't ever reach you

in unrivaled fight, depends on whether the splits roll a fast speed

[blissful fog]

omds i js won 2 runs in a row

thats a first time lol

1 more zodiac sand to go

[flat maple]

Hello guys
Just rn i got an 1.45GB update on my xbox series s
So i wanted to ask waht does it do?

[blissful fog]

how long has it been since you've played?

because that update might be the new content and balance changes

[whole remnant]

but that came when it was released on xbox and ps

[flat maple]

Last time I played was before 4 hours

[blissful fog]

hm

then idk

[whole remnant]

late quick fixes to the patch maybe?

[flat maple]

Don't know

[eager gust]

ive done 16 fear on both surface and underworld, what do i go for next

[flat maple]

Do i need to beat aboveground 5 times to get the unknown item?

[whole remnant]

32 on both

[crude dragon]

Yep

[whole remnant]

and advance dialogue with hecate and zag

not sure how far you are with zag

hecate is easy

[flat maple]

Should i go visit the brother after the 7th z.sand or just go to aboveground

[whole remnant]

but really after 16 32 is the natural next step

[flat maple]

I did not got the spear or whatever that is

[whole remnant]

maybe 24 in between

if you wanna go slow

but 32/24 gets rewards but 32 Surface isn't that much worse than 32 UW

only at higher fears does Surface get much tougher

i guess it depends on your fear loadout too

but 16 32 40 50 62 then if you're insane go for 65/67

62 you at least keep your Arcana but take all other vows, thats where i am at

[eager gust]

what would you add? ive currently got rivals 1, time 3, frenzy 2, and shadow for my 16 run

[whole remnant]

fangs

rivals as far as you wanna push rivals

denial is always an option

Hordes if you don;t have it

hordes always get into early and get used to, at least like hordes2

you can do 24 in between if a double up seems steep though

but those are good vows to take

hubris isn't too bad either

lots of options

i do like telling people learn your rival fights early so you're not adding them on and learning them at high fear but it can be rough at first

but rivals 4 is 12 fear right there

i ran it on my 32

im crazy though and wanted to shoot for high fear so took hard stuff early

i was at 16 finishing the storyline, jumped to 32 then 40 because i put a couple rough ones in that gap then 50 then kinda trickled my way to 62

[placid folio]

Has anyone made like a catalog/spreadsheet of the characters' dialogue for hades2 yet? Just curious

[fathom lake]

I pray for the sanity of that person

(its so much)

[raw kraken]

Endless spreadsheet

[placid folio]

I had done some for my fav hades1 characters, it helps to be obsessed and into spreadsheets lol 🥹 but yeah hades2 is definitely more expansive

[sturdy magnet]

Since Supergiant is done with patches and updates for Hades II

Does this mean this is it? We’re not getting a Hades III

[fathom lake]

New Ip :o

[raw kraken]

Who knows

[fathom lake]

Another Prometheus Enjoyer:D

[raw kraken]

They’ve probably only just started talking about what’s next

[eager gust]

i fw prometheus

except when he’s with heracles

[sturdy magnet]

Heracles is a pain to fight

He’s like Asterius but his attack are jacked

[haughty urchin]

I think that hades 3 will be a thing but they wanna work on another game before they come back to that

[eager gust]

best fight in the game is scylla tho

[sturdy magnet]

We need to see Makaria story some day.

[eager gust]

when bosses sing their music its so peak

[haughty urchin]

Yea

[eager gust]

need more games where that happens

[haughty urchin]

Yes

I wonder what game they are making next

A god i want in hades 3 is eos

[eager gust]

hades spinoff about norse mythology

[haughty urchin]

Or helios

[sturdy magnet]

The most based character in the Hades series

[fathom lake]

Yeah!

[unreal temple]

Based on the lastest Supergiant announcement, I think we can safely assume that their next game is going to have graphics

[fathom lake]

NO

NEXT GAME ITS A TEXT DATING SIM

NO GRAPHICS

[split shuttle]

an iq too high ahh statement

[crude dragon]

Someone get the Flork comic

[elfin heron]

you can say "ass" on discord

this is not Roblox

[proud swift]

###.

[split shuttle]

im fully aware of that fact

[fathom lake]

wazza

[bronze otter]

I made the incantation to kill typhon so tomorrow I’m sliming him and chronos out

[fathom lake]

Awesome

[bronze otter]

Also is it just me or did the hades update make it easier to hear the sirens singing in the Scylla fight

I can actually hear their voices over hers

[haughty urchin]

Actual realistic graphics?

[craggy totem]

That would be pretty disappointing.

Overadherence to realism indicates a lack of artistic deliberation.

[haughty urchin]

I love their art style so much

[craggy totem]

I think they've been pretty good about having an artistic point of view so far, and hopefully will continue to!

[haughty urchin]

And i want them to keep the art style they have

[craggy totem]

Genuinely I think the thing that would surprise me the most is if they stopped doing isometric. I don't love or hate isometric perspective, I'm pretty neutral on it, but that's been in all their games

[haughty urchin]

Yeah

It looks really good in their games

[elfin heron]

Hades 2 was a pretty big jump graphics wise, the game actually uses 3D models unlike the previous ones
it might not seem obvious at lower resolutions, but every single character and enemy in H2 is a being rendered in real time, it's not 2D sprites

this means much smoother animations + the game looks a lot sharper at 1440p/4K

I kinda wish they remaster H1 at some point, to give it the same treament

[jolly wing]

Night 27.

No new incantations, until I beat Underworld Region 3 rivals.

[true nova]

I got a update for hades 2

Anything new

[craggy totem]

I don't see anything 🤔 What platform?

[red fox]

Probably just bug fix as always

[devout cairn]

damn they just shadow dropped new content

[true nova]

Xbox

[torn wind]

Yeah probably just a delayed update then. We’ve been getting some bug and balance fix patches on PC

[merry whale]

ye consoles gotta approve patches unlike steam

which is funny when xbox had debug mode for a bit

[willow fog]

Xbox also has silly issues where achievements only pop on startup

[willow fog]

Isometric just works for roguelikes

[somber scarab]

the Eye of Typhon is so much bullet hell dear god

[willow fog]

Its why I always just facetank it

I just want it dead

[torn wind]

The only thing somewhat annoying about it is that levels are almost always designed diagonally (obviously due to “isometric”) so it makes keyboard movement more fiddly since you’re almost always having to press 2 keys at once

Not a major thing but definitely an accessibility thing for people less comfortable with keyboard movement compared to normal XY movement being super easy on keyboard

My middle finger having to do a lot more work all the time

[craggy totem]

Ye for sure, as a kb/m user myself it definitely can be a bit of a tricksy bit sometimes

[lean dove]

anyone else notice the chaos boon no longer has the ripple effect on ps5 since the latest update? it looks like how it does on switch now.

not a big deal by any means but i thought it was odd

switch 1 i mean

[reef sail]

I’ll look next time I sell Chaos right in front of Nyx

[craggy totem]

Ripple effect?

[nova oar]

There was a ripple effect when picking up the boon

[willow fog]

The worst for isometric is when the fixed camera is blocked by overlapping geometry/map design

Disco elysium is a good game but I hated the movement with the camera

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah the geometry can be really confusing sometimes with your movement being blocked for no apparent reason

[willow fog]

Mosy of my damage in h2 was from failing to cross a gap

[torn wind]

I feel like isometric, from a game design perspective, works the best for displaying the game

You’re able to see more walls and therefore are able to present art better

It gives a better sense of space when you can see more than just the back wall and maybe barely see the side walls

It’s the closest you can get to showing an entire space from a fixed perspective

And games like Hades that use isometric make very good use of it

[craggy totem]

Simply go the Fez route but with the 2D view being top-down /taps nose

;D

[torn wind]

It gives a relatively less rigid perspective and feel since your mind doesn’t explicitly think in up down left right

[elfin heron]

the thing with the isometric perspective is it's zoomed out, so it's hard to read fine motions, hence games like Hades focusing on bullet hell instead
it's like imagine if Dark Souls was isometric, you'd have trouble seeing boss windups and such

[craggy totem]

Just make the boss really big ;D

[torn wind]

Well yeah… we’re not making a 3D game

There’s different design philosophies entirely

[craggy totem]

I think isometric counts as 3D

[torn wind]

There is no third axis

[craggy totem]

At least 2.67D ;D

[torn wind]

There is no vertical aspect to this game

[craggy totem]

There were stairs in Hades 1!

[torn wind]

2.5D implies you can move up down left and right but also back and forth

[craggy totem]

Actually there are stairs here too now that I think of it

[torn wind]

Ledges don’t really count as vertical movement since that could also just be designed using a short wall instead of stairs and a ledge

[craggy totem]

Though you seem to be describing dimensions of movement, whereas I am describing the visual aspect

It's graphically 3D

[torn wind]

Yeah the game is strictly 2D in terms of movement

The level design just has some visual aspects that create the illusion of 3 dimensions

[reef sail]

Is that why I run into the back of time bubbles so often

[torn wind]

I mean they're still a circle on the ground

The vertical visual of the bubble means nothing

Your hitbox is still just a circle

[reef sail]

Some box that is 😔

Hitcylinder

[torn wind]

Capsule

That's usually the standard for 3d-modeled 2d

Or just a cylinder

I doubt they fully hitboxed mel's 3d model accurately like a souls game

Since those games accurately hitbox the entire body rather than just a stationary cylinder

[lean bronze]

im back people
Im back from fighting a rogue ai on the moon

[reef sail]

As one does

My brief foray into Hel has made me appreciate medea so much more

[torn wind]

I mean they literally do not play the same in any ways

They do not have a single move in common

[reef sail]

Not saying they do

[craggy totem]

Erhm Ackshually they still cast and dash the same 🤓

[lean bronze]

Ngl
Medea users never cast unless furies dmg buff is needed for bosses

[torn wind]

Or holding slippery enemies in place so they don't jump away

[craggy totem]

It's free real estate damage 💯

[lean bronze]

I tried to do my warm up runs at 55f
Not the bestest experience

[brazen marsh]

can someone help me out with thje face that selen wwont five me shiva? i have talked to her like 20 timwa ands itsd either about the aspect imn usiong, my god or smth and i just donr get it so someone please help me

[torn wind]

Have you fully upgraded Selene or Nyx coat?

[brazen marsh]

yup full on selene

[torn wind]

Well then guess you're just getting screwed by dialogue priority or something

[brazen marsh]

i just go to surface, talk to selene, hear about how my coat looks cool or smth anf then shes gone

[brazen marsh]

what would the priority be for her😭

[torn wind]

🤷‍♂️

[brazen marsh]

maybe its cuz of the ambrosia?

idk

[torn wind]

If you've fully upgraded either of those aspects then it should be added to the dialogue but Selene likes to say a lot of random crap sometimes

[brazen marsh]

i fully upgraded sslene, mayne i should have selene on wwhile talking to her cuz it makers her narcisstic and talk about how special her aspectr is

[torn wind]

Or don't put it on because then it can't override the dialogue

[brazen marsh]

sorry i meant shouldnt not should

[craggy totem]

Have you unlocked Nyx?

[brazen marsh]

uh no i havent unlocked it

[torn wind]

Well there's the issue...

[brazen marsh]

wait do i need to

no, this this cant be, i have been doing this for the past hour andd a half

it never said anything about having to unlock all the other aspects, just get a non mel aspect to level 5 or whatever

well great

[willow fog]

Bruh I hit ||phase 3||

Scared the crap out of me

[nova oar]

Yeah lol

Need all 3 aspects

[willow fog]

I got bored of the final kills so I hopped from fear 2 to fear 8

[brazen marsh]

i never knew you needed all three, all i was told was get all weapojs and upgrade a non mel ro level 5

thats it

[willow fog]

For the hidden aspect?

[nova oar]

It's kinda assumed you have all 3 alr

[nova oar]

Yep

[brazen marsh]

i already wasted a flux and i dont always go down chaos

[willow fog]

Yeah flux is rough

Such a troll of a mineral

[torn wind]

Just bring raki

Up your chances

[willow fog]

Its still rough due to 1 mineral per appearance

[torn wind]

You only need a handful for the whole game

[radiant ore]

do dream dives count twoard testaments if i face the boss

[torn wind]

No clue. Already had 100% long before that update launched

[twin mist]

yo does romantic spark work on typhon?

[torn wind]

If you can dash into him yes but it's a bit inconsistent since his hitbox shifts with his chin

Has the same troubles as activating Nyx omega dash on him

[reef sail]

I’ve used lik one flux total

To unlock some aspect

[lean bronze]

you get quite a lotta flux when u do speedrun attempts
Since u always chaos

[reef sail]

Hmm looks like if you turn zoom in on, start a night, and turn it off

It stays on

[burnt coyote]

Not sure if this is the right place for this. Is it intentional for ||Hades|| to say this line in a ||dream dive|| when saluting?
Melinoë: May moonlight guide us.
||Hades: Through our renovations, yes.||

Seems like it should only be possible ||post-main story||. Maybe|| he is in a dream of his own||…

[radiant ore]

DREAM DIVE RIVALS TYPHON IS MY FIRST BOSS
CHAT IM COOKED

[nova oar]

Yes it's intentional

[torn wind]

Summit is one of the worst regions to get first

[radiant ore]

im friggin cooked

[nova oar]

It's scaled, so there's that

[radiant ore]

ngl the worst part is the enemies\

not typhon

[torn wind]

Still a mechanically difficult region

[radiant ore]

the spawn of typhon hti hard

[torn wind]

The enemies are really rough when you don't have a build to steamroll them

[radiant ore]

and with so much starting hp it sucks

i onyl got a god build after the first few rooms

[torn wind]

My issue with dream dives is the health and damage scaling doesn't account for how every region becomes more MECHANICALLY difficult

So even if the enemies do the same damage I'm more likely to get hit because I have less tools to deal with the more complicated enemies

Summit has seeking projectiles, guys that armor themselves, guys that burrow and shoot projectiles, incredibly beefy tanks that bum rush you and negate hitstun

[radiant ore]

also thus region is hard caus etheres not many rewards rooms

[torn wind]

Yep you gotta fight a miniboss with basically nothing

[radiant ore]

al;so

RIVALS TYPHON

[torn wind]

Yep Rivals Typhon is usually not considered harder than rivals scylla because you have more tools to fight him

[radiant ore]

yeah ngl why is rivals scylla so hard

[torn wind]

Cause there's a million things happening

[radiant ore]

i thinj the difficulty is that all the tentacles limit the amount of safe space you adtuall have

yeahpplus you wanna take out roxy

[torn wind]

Rivals Scylla is tough because it can't be predicted

[radiant ore]

but theres tentacles near her

[torn wind]

There's random patterns happening in 5 different places at once

It's not predictable like Chronos

[radiant ore]

exacrlt

exactly

[willow fog]

Question, is ||phase 3 chronos|| part of all my runs now

[maiden surge]

I have been sick for most days that Hades 2 has been out and I got it the day after it released on console, I've already put 115 hours into it lmao (for context I have 258 hours on Hades 1)

[torn wind]

Spoiler mark

||No, chronos fight remains the same normally||

[willow fog]

Thanks, I guess thats his vow version

Hilarious I never even noticed the free DD at the bottom

[torn wind]

Probably also worth a spoiler mark cause like...

||It's ending related and kinda spoils the fight if people know about it||

[willow fog]

Did it

Man that was a jumpscare

Almost put my controller down lol

[reef sail]

I got it at console launch too but only 92 hours 😔

[crude dragon]

Because it's a bullet hell

[willow fog]

Also random isnt fun

Yo bugatti, I got the first ending

[crude dragon]

Pog

[willow fog]

I got vowscared lol

Didnt even notice the ||DD||, just started swinging like a lunatic

[mortal warren]

i left my switch at my girls so now i can’t play my save file cuz i only have it off game pass and not steam 🥲

[torn wind]

Sounds like it's time to buy it on steam

[mortal warren]

LOL i’ve been tryna find someone who has it on steam to join my steam family but none of my friends have it

they’re not loyal

[wind glen]

Just got this 3 days ago after waiting for release on console. Everything I was hoping for and then some. It’s so good.

[cunning laurel]

love to hear it 🔥

[radiant ore]

for wbatever reaosn hades 2 physical is 50 bones

why Hwere all the money go

[torn wind]

It being a physical copy

It's kinda more expensive to make a physical game rather than a digital one

[wind glen]

I agree. Kinda where we at in time.

[torn wind]

Nintendo has to recoup the investment of making a physical copy and it doesn't make commercial sense to charge only $30 for a physical game nowadays

[flat dome]

@strange temple SCAMMER

imagine being that desperate just for 5 dollars

😭

[torn wind]

What

Assuming something got deleted lol

[prisma monolith]

My guess is dm drama

[torn wind]

Probably a compromised profile

[wheat gulch]

😂 😂 😂

[flat dome]

oh they just left LOL

[blissful fog]

how do i get the unknown ingredient for dissolution of time?

[nova oar]

Typhon

[blissful fog]

oh no

how many typhons would i need to do for the ingredient?

[cursive nacelle]

its 4 or 5 i believe

[blissful fog]

oh ok thats reasonable

[prisma monolith]

Its really short

[blissful fog]

would've crashed out if it was 7 like chronos

[prisma monolith]

You think 7 victories is a lot?

[blissful fog]

uh yes

[prisma monolith]

Wow

[blissful fog]

im bad at the game lol

[prisma monolith]

I see

[blissful fog]

but im starting to do some torch runs

with aphrodite and poseidon boons

[nova oar]

In total it's 8 and 6 iirc

[blissful fog]

kk

[nova oar]

Why these on torches

[blissful fog]

for the duo

[nova oar]

Isn't it a really bad duo

[blissful fog]

nah it counts all opponents as nearby for aphro boons, so its pretty insane damage with special and omega special

and thats not even counting the mel torch crit

[nova oar]

those are alkr in range lol

[strong rapids]

I thought omega special was just barely out of range

[blissful fog]

its still insane damage, so im using it anyways

ykw

[nova oar]

Nope

[strong rapids]

idk if it's true but this is where I heard it

[torn wind]

Since when is the circular attack an oval… unless like the hitbox is funky because of the 3d models or something

[strong rapids]

I think because of the isometric angle

[fringe gust]

I did it! I GOT ARACHNAE'S DRESS TO THE UNDEWORLD BOSS

[torn wind]

But did you get it to the victory screen

[fringe gust]

I will tell you in a minuite

[torn wind]

Congrats though that one can be a bit troublesome if you don’t just take silken sash and Hephaestus to cheese it

[prisma monolith]

Very durable silk

[zealous remnant]

Man there is so many prophecies in this game compared to the first. This game is massive. I would love to complete all of them like i did in the first game.

[fringe gust]

To answer yoyur question:: no. no it did not survive the last boss. he did a mega attack that took off tghe last 50 in one go.

[fringe gust]

Does it count as sash and hep cheese if you don't go in intending for it and are using a different keepsake, only to noice you picked up some non armor hep boons, you still have 55 armor left after heecate, and you can change keepsakes

[torn wind]

I mean you weren’t intending to entirely do a run around it so not really

You saw the opportunity and rolled with it

[fringe gust]

Indeed!

[buoyant matrix]

brother what do you mean "cheese" that's just the normal strategy

[torn wind]

Just don’t get hit

But I’m not being serious it’s how I did it

It’s a very foolproof strategy

[buoyant matrix]

when 1.0 dropped i dropped all fear and just randomly got it while doing story runs 😂

[strong rapids]

alright yeah I confirmed aphrodite special on torches isn't always in range, though it's only a small bit of the left and right of the ospec that don't count so not REALLY worth getting the duo for

[torn wind]

Yeah really I only ever take Aphro as a backup for Eos torches if I get a strong roll on it

[minor eagle]

I geuinley think sash is kinda useless otherwise ngl

Atleast for most situations

[torn wind]

High fear players gonna crucify you for saying that but yeah outside of playing scars 3 there’s very little reason to use it aside from trying to keep an Arachne dress

Which I’ve done before on speedruns to keep something like lavender or fuchsia dress which heavily contributed to my damage

I’ve used it on multiple scars 3 runs though since you have so few healing and safety options

[willow fog]

Question, whats the setup to dragging ariadne's dress to chronos

[nova oar]

her keepsake and heph

[torn wind]

Just stack up on armor so take whatever one has the most armor

Take Heph keepsake region 1 to guarantee him in your pool and try to get trusty shield or heavy metal

Then swap to Arachne keepsake region 2

And just wear that the rest of the run

[blissful fog]

nah eris js ruined my run

[blissful fog]

im about to give up bro

i can't even reach prometheus anymore

[lean bronze]

is bro grinding 62f or smth

[blissful fog]

thats the thing, im at 6f 😭

[lean bronze]

what you using

[blissful fog]

i was using morrigan daggers with zeus chain lightning and zeus heph duo

[lean bronze]

seems pretty solid
chains always good
whats the issue you face

[blissful fog]

uhh i guess i js got overwhelmed

by the enemies

[lean bronze]

ye thats fair
you can do it, i believe in you!!

[blissful fog]

i started a new run with artemis daggers. so far i got zeus special and chain and poseidon attack

[lean bronze]

when in danger, charge attack to parry
quite the cooldown tho

[blissful fog]

yeah

thats what im trying to do rn tbh

[lean bronze]

id recommend not relying on it too much tho
play it like normal
think of it as a plus, just incase something comes your way when you are charging

[blissful fog]

bet

[zealous remnant]

Would love an explanation on nights champion. It said surface 12 underworld 16. I did that and now it bumps up to 24 and 32. Do i get something for completing it or how does it work?

[lean bronze]

there are 3 gifts
3 sets of requirements

[blissful fog]

pffff i died to eris again

i might hop off for today tbh

[zealous remnant]

What are these gifts? Havent recieved anything i dont think

[sturdy goblet]

in the upper side of the training grounds, most right part

if you don't have them yet talk to skelly

[zealous remnant]

Oh the statues? Oh okey. Thanks

[eager gust]

i need to lock in and get 32 done

[jolly hound]

you got this

[runic zodiac]

ive gotten to chronos once with the torches and 3 times with aspect if medea but i keep dying. can anyone recommend a build for my first clear

aspect of medea level 1

[craggy totem]

Have you checked the pinned guide in #h2-builds-and-combat ?

Also note that things get a lot easier once you have access to all of your Arcana cards and grasp, if you haven't yet.

[runic zodiac]

i have like 28 grasp😭

[craggy totem]

Pretty close to full! (Full is 30.) You should be able to make good use of the guide already, it explains the reasoning behind everything rather than just giving you a build as if you were a robot receiving instructions.

[whole remnant]

once you do you'll be like oh 32 is free, that's the last marker point of bliss where you haven't had to start eating too many nasty vows

32-40 i'd max rivals in that leg, by 45 at least

[runic zodiac]

the thing doesnt really give a build tho like i understand the game a good bit i think i just need a good setup

[craggy totem]

Scroll down. Use the table of contents. Ctrl+F. Whatever works for ya.

And if you understand the game sufficiently, then you don't need to ask for a build :P

[jolly hound]

blitz and storm ring

[brazen marsh]

Does anyone know a good way to farm flux aside from ixion stuff

[nova oar]

Take raki while you reroll for ixion

[craggy totem]

If someone's still farming flux, I would bet that they do not yet have the ability to reroll

I am a fool who misunderstands things 🫡

Being able to type fast is a double edged sword

[runic zodiac]

whats a priority aspect to go for

[craggy totem]

Depends on what you enjoy out of gameplay

And/or what your goals are

If it's just "finish the game" it really truly does not matter which one to prioritize

Also, I don't remember if you're the one who asked about this previously, but Hades 2 makes it a metric ton easier to unlock and upgrade everything compared to the first Hades game, so you really don't have to worry about prioritizing your resources in that sense

[ebon sigil]

if completionism and maxing all of the aspects and trying to enjoy them all isn't your goal, we are not the same.

Also, the bonus bones is always priority... i let the fates tell me which weapon to use.

[craggy totem]

My only note is that when you're trying out the different aspects, keep in mind that some of them are kinda crap at rank 1 compared to max rank (Nergal, Morrigan), whereas other aspects are almost as strong at rank 1 as they will be at max rank if you play to the aspect's strengths (Nyx, Circe)

So hold off on making your final judgment on the first group if you haven't leveled them up, is all

[runic zodiac]

how do u get nergal and morrigan btw

[ebon sigil]

mel's aspect is actually decent and doesn't cost nightmare for all weapon types, so that's safe to level up

[craggy totem]

Ah yeah, you haven't even unlocked stuff yet

You can't unlock hidden aspects until you've unlocked everything else for that weapon first, and also maxed out one of the non-Melinoe ones

[ebon sigil]

need to lvl 5 one of the nightmare costing aspects and then talk to one of the npcs in the game and get them to give you an awakening phrase. The hint is one of the aspects is one of the npcs you can talk to in game.

[runic zodiac]

i mean ive unlocked a good bit ive got 20 hours in the game

[craggy totem]

In the context of this conversation about different aspects, I mean aspects 😆

[runic zodiac]

alr well u get nightmares after chronos right

[craggy totem]

You can get nightmares from a bunch of different sources

Do the specific Fear bounties (which are not always on Chronos, it's random), buy them at the Crossroads, or buy them from Charon in the final boss shop (rare)

Some prophecies also award nightmare

[runic zodiac]

buy them where at the crossroads

[craggy totem]

Where do you buy things in the Crossroads

(You have to have earned some Nightmare from the Fear bounties before they start selling it there iirc)

[runic zodiac]

theres a few of those twin but thx

[craggy totem]

Yes, both of them.

[runic zodiac]

i dont understand bro how am i getting fear bounties?

[craggy totem]

Have you played any runs with Fear

[runic zodiac]

heard of it but how do i do it. also doesnt it just get harder why would i if i havent cleared yet

[ebon sigil]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fwhat-is-the-easiest-vow-set-for-32-fear-surface-v0-l6dhieapx0se1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D1920%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Debef9d696c5ebe1c49d6ea9f96008e4f5b6d2bb9

Testaments are the "bounties"

[strong rapids]

you gotta beat chronos once to unlock bounties

[ebon sigil]

if you haven't beat chronos yet, you're early game and don't worry about aspect names you don't recognize

[zealous remnant]

I dont know what happened to my game. My vow menu only shows staff and blades, usually it shows all six weapons but now its limited to just these two

[craggy totem]

The bounties only go up to 20F.

If you already have completed the 20F bounty on a weapon, it will no longer offer more bounties for that weapon.

[zealous remnant]

I have only used skull and staff so it isnt like ive completed all of them

[craggy totem]

Hmm, show in #h2-tech-support ?

[zealous remnant]

Posted

[ebon sigil]

have you seen credits yet?

wondering if you're in the part of the story where you need to finish chronos and then you can go back to the surface.

have you finished a surface run? @zealous remnant

[zealous remnant]

No

[ebon sigil]

It won't show you bosses you haven't seen yet

[zealous remnant]

Yes many i did the permanent typhoon thing and now im sent to unerworld

But i never done anything over 16 heat

[ebon sigil]

ah right... you need to finish chronos and then you'll be alllowed to go surface again and the testaments will come back

[zealous remnant]

Oh okey. Thats crazy

[reef sail]

Did you just do the typhon incantation and kill him the “final” time for story?

Oh someone else figured it out before me rip

As soon as I saw both your testaments were UW I had a feeling I knew what was wrong 😂

[willow fog]

Hey uh

How do bounties of the infinite abyss work?

They say minimum fear but never actually said what thatd constitute

[blissful fog]

the minimum fear for the reward is 12 i think

[willow fog]

Thankss

[blissful fog]

np

[reef sail]

If you try to use them it shows you the amount you need (which is 12)

[willow fog]

Ohhh got ig

It

[brazen marsh]

Why must I be cursed with having all my fear bounties be on ONLY Prometheus and Eris, the 2 boss I hate the most

[ebon sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-good-gewd-star-wars-episode-3-gif-15386400457909814305

[jolly anvil]

just got the game on pc though i played the og on switch. am i better off just relearning on keyboard, or is connecting my controller better regardless?

not sure if anyones done both and has a pref

[strong rapids]

if youre used to it on controller, no reason to switch - its the way most people prefer to play. but its still worth trying m+kb, some people like it, including the majority of the top players i think

[jolly anvil]

Fair only advantage I was thinking really was I wouldn't have to whip out a controller in public if I ever play on my mac

[strong rapids]

if being good at m+kb would be convenient for you, then i would give it a try and see if you enjoy it and can get good at it! although aiming on a trackpad sounds kinda tricky, but that may just be because im bad at trackpads

[void needle]

how does the eris+ yellow ball things work?

i swear sometimes im SO far away from them and shoot them to destroy and still take damage

i thought it exploded after getting hit in the circle area

[lilac dome]

Are there any methods to finding Artemis more frequently besides taking minor reward rooms? She's the only one I have yet to forge a bond with and she's avoiding me :p

[merry whale]

loving the behind the scenes content

[merry whale]

artemis can show up in erebus after 4th room reward and oceanus after 2nd room reward, in standard encounters that are not god boon or selene moondrop

so she can show up in pom rooms etc

she should also have a pity mechanic if u don't see her at all for a few runs, unless u unlock a certain late game mechanic which if u don't know then u don't need to worry about it

[jolly anvil]

That'd be hell lol I'd probably just bring along my mouse

[merry whale]

the lucifer blobs have a passive pulse around themselves which deal dmg if u stand near them

ur basically forced to use a medium or long range move to safely poke them

[lilac dome]

i have nearly 100%ed the game what mechanic do you mean

[void needle]

and then when i shoot it from miles away it still damages me!

[merry whale]

oath reroll

or rather oath saluting

[void needle]

i swear its hitbox must be a lot larger than it looks like 😭

literally shot it from max distance blades special could hit it and died

does the explosions like trigger each other?

[merry whale]

hmmm could u share a clip of it next time u fight her (put it on imgur then link ir in #h2-builds-and-combat )

oh yes the blobs can explode each other

[void needle]

ok then that makes sense

thats prob it thx

[merry whale]

they also explode from whatever eris is doing

iirc that includes her laser attacks and the red circles when she's in the air

[eager gust]

i got my first sub 10!

fates whim is crazy

[whole remnant]

only way to play

7 extra arcana for being able to use busted keepsakes

one the most busted

the high fear community wouldn't exist if it weren't for JPom

[craggy totem]

Ehhhhhh I don't know about that

[whole remnant]

not like it does

[craggy totem]

Pretty sure people were running Fear in EA and that was pre-jpom

People will do anything

[whole remnant]

lower fear

[craggy totem]

TBF for part of EA, there wasn't as many vows available 😆

[whole remnant]

im not saying there wouldn't be high fear attempts but it would be closer to hades

like minimal aspects (2?) clear highest fear

much less open like hades 2

[whole remnant]

its what would be possible without the JP

Mel Staff would be Zeus Shield

Surface barely has any max fear clears as is

[worldly mantle]

there are plenty godsake 50s and 62s

[limpid stream]

Any trial of haste tips?

[whole remnant]

UW ones yeah idk plenty is an exaggeration

[merry whale]

yea before 1.0 dropped and jpom became the objectively correct play

[whole remnant]

if you go through the list they're pretty rare

[merry whale]

region 1 keepsake variety? found dead in a ditch

[worldly mantle]

"correct" doesnt fully equate to how people like to play. some people just play with godsakes, tho obv jpom is meta

[merry whale]

well yea playing with god keepsakes is fine

[worldly mantle]

that is to say, yes the high fear community would still exist without jpom

just look at hades 1

its doable so people will do it

[whole remnant]

two aspects cleared max heat

hardly anyone did

Hades 2 has way more max fear clears

[merry whale]

i just think like, during the patch before 1.0 we still had a good number of aspects that had no 62f clear yet

then jpom dropped and suddenly i think it was cleared within a month or so thanks to jpom

[worldly mantle]

yeah it took 4 years for the first runner before two others followed. hades has a more difficult max. but the high fear scene still exists in spite of that

[merry whale]

at least it was very fast

[whole remnant]

it would exist yes but not like we have

it would be smaller scale, less options

[worldly mantle]

smaller yes, but i dont think it would be as small as you think it would be

but ofc its all speculation

[merry whale]

ehh i don't think smaller scale

besides aki he admitted he wouldn't be playing high fear without jpom

i just miss having to think about spending rerolls

like it was fun tech to like determine whether to roll or not on boon selections or warden doors

[worldly mantle]

i dont mind jpom but i do really wish i could spend less time resetting

[merry whale]

to be very fair tho

[worldly mantle]

roll management is fun tho i agree

[merry whale]

majority of the community complained about reroll corner being dominant

so ig their answer was jpom

[whole remnant]

i think there would be people trying but it wouldn't be the big tons of 62-65 and a good amount of 67s and it would be like the Hades high heat community which was smaller

[worldly mantle]

majority of the outspoken people in the community

[merry whale]

tru that's a better clarification /gen

[limpid stream]

Nvn got it

[whole remnant]

anyways it would exist but it would be more niche not as open, i wouldn't play high fear without jpom

[merry whale]

i think it'd just be less individual clears due to the higher difficulty ceiling

[whole remnant]

it'd be so much harder, few aspect driven etc

it wouldn't be like what hades 2 has and i enjoy it

[merry whale]

i do wonder if jpom's existence is why dream dive scaling is as crazy as it is

[ebon sigil]

your terms are acceptable

[ebon sigil]

dream dives is for hard core hades dorks, so they made it hard for the lols

[merry whale]

fair

i do enjoy the heightened difficulty of dives rn, like it doesn't need to match difficulty of standard runs

[ebon sigil]

exactly

[broken glen]

It would’ve been boring if it did

[worldly mantle]

it is a late-game game-mode

[eager gust]

i just had demeters legendary bail me out 3 times i am so thankful that boon exists

[merry whale]

mhm

it does get a little funny when i'm running a heroic storm ring circe build that woulda nuked standard cerberus within a minute 30, while hecate r3 took like 3 minutes

[whole remnant]

dream dives aren't that bad if you start in fields/thessaly/oceanus and dont get r4'd after

[merry whale]

yea fields and oceanus are the best starter regions

thessaly is fine just swingy, it was my first 62f starter region

[ebon sigil]

oh i know... i've had several fun dives... but rivals vow can throw quite a loop if you get a late boss as an early biome

[whole remnant]

i've cleared 6 aspects at 62

[merry whale]

nice

[whole remnant]

but like my main aspects

[merry whale]

yea tart starts are absolutely not designed for 62f lmao, forfeit is ass and taking siderooms ramps up enemy hordes far too much, on top of rivals chronos requiring like 2 or 3 minutes

[whole remnant]

mel staff, circe, mel skulls, persephone, mel coat and then i got a lucky easy Moros run

[merry whale]

if u get hit with the satyr summoning encounters, there's a cap of 2 of them at a time and if they're unarmored then ur spending 1 entire minute in that room

it's so obnoxious lmao

[hybrid gulch]

Just did a dream dive with Chronos as final boss, everything going super smooth entire run, Morrigan aspect. He did a double tap of his insta kill thing in phase 2 and I didn't expect the second one, got caught by a time freeze right when he started casting, couldn't get out in time T_T

[whole remnant]

all my wins started in the 3 regions mentioned and included ephyra

the 62s

seems the recipe

[merry whale]

ye ephyra's prob the best region to hit at some point

[whole remnant]

its great last or any time

[merry whale]

after region 1 or 2 then it just becomes not hitting olympus, other regions r fine

[whole remnant]

easy ending, or great to build up

[merry whale]

if olympus had more consistent skips then maybe it'd be fine

[whole remnant]

i finished olympus on mel coat

[merry whale]

it's just ass rn cuz boonless trampoline rooms forces u to fight the pre-encounter enemies boonless for a while, then u have to actually fight the actual encounter enemies

[whole remnant]

had nexus rush and heroic volcanic strike

shrockets zeus special

[merry whale]

then aetos has no minimum room requirement so he can show up literally room 1 and take up even more of ur time

[whole remnant]

and white antler ofc

[merry whale]

yea as long as u have antler i think olympus r4 is fine, just gotta play good

[whole remnant]

i always white antler last biome

[merry whale]

it might actually be a requirement to run antler r4 always for dream dive

[ebon sigil]

i'm not worthy

[whole remnant]

uw dive surface

best defense is a good offense

[ebon sigil]

it also helps to be skilled at the game.... which I'm not sure I am

[whole remnant]

plus at 62f time is tight

[merry whale]

i think time would be fine if it weren't for the massive spike in hp scaling that makes it harder to get through rooms without getting hit

plus x9 hecate is rough

[whole remnant]

i mean i haven't always ran it. sometimes ive ran pin or something

but 95%

always try to set up for it

[merry whale]

pin is a fair option prob

[whole remnant]

pin is the only other real decent pick. but i much prefer antler

[merry whale]

mhm, it's the most offensive defensive pick

just don't get hit

[whole remnant]

thats my goal in general

i've had damageless vs all boss runs "untouchable"

but that includes nitro boost snow queen blocks and such

no hitless 62s vs bosses

[merry whale]

thankfully damageless is the baseline

[blissful fog]

are the last 3 keepsakes only unlockable after the credits?

if so, im cooked

[craggy totem]

Yes

[reef sail]

Yep

[craggy totem]

However, you are not cooked

[blissful fog]

im so bad at the game 😭

i mean, not the full game, but some bosses genuinely ragebait me

[reef sail]

If you won once you can win the 14ish times credits takes

You can do it 0f if you need

You can do the whole game 0f with no actual loss of content tbh

[blissful fog]

oh fr?

[reef sail]

Nightmare can be slowly accrued through other means

[blissful fog]

i've been playing on 6f since my first win 😭

[reef sail]

You’ll miss some content, unrivaled forms

[craggy totem]

I only did a few of the lowest levels of Fear during my first playthrough lol, saved it for postgame

[blissful fog]

i guess i was js too focused on levelling up my aspects

[reef sail]

But you can get credits and I assume epilogue without having to touch fear

Low fear is free so getting as much nightmare that way as you’re comfortable with is definitely a good idea

[craggy totem]

The Melinoe aspects don't even require nightmare to level up fwiw (and they are solid aspects)

[reef sail]

But you don’t HAVE to if you really struggle

[blissful fog]

i mean, thanatos ace was js mandatory 😭

[whole remnant]

Mel Staff is the best

[craggy totem]

you might even say that Melinoe has some solid-ass pecs

[reef sail]

[whole remnant]

Mel Skulls too

[reef sail]

Mel skull is fun

[whole remnant]

both amazing Mel Aspects

[reef sail]

But medea is more fun

[desert verge]

Dio boon that makes ur attack deal 5 55 or 555 does not consider boon, right?

[craggy totem]

It is applied at the very end and ignores all other damage boosts

[reef sail]

I assume it only affects your base damage, your boons still fire afterward as normal (nvm apparently not)

Ohh, that’s bad 😐

[desert verge]

so if a have apollo attack it will ignore his dmg boost?

[craggy totem]

Yes, but one correction to myself: actually, Air Quality is even more last in the calculations, so that one does work

[desert verge]

idk what it is

[craggy totem]

Zeus' infusion boon

[desert verge]

also, what about backstab?

[craggy totem]

Backstab is a damage boost