h2-discussion

[torn wind]

A full duration length does like 1500 total damage or so

[broken creek]

when you get to high fear you have to start using leash to make bad starts work, i.e. orig on leash melts hecate

[willow fog]

Hm, got it

Raki is pretty good

[torn wind]

Raki wins for leash, Gale wins for casts on single target consistency

Cause Gale constantly follows you

So double casts are always available

[willow fog]

I wish we could control the blocks tho

He always blocks chip damage

[broken creek]

just dont get hit

[willow fog]

Dont you dare estimate me

I'll get hit by whoever I please

[halcyon rain]

On high fear any hit deals 50 damage so all blocks are good 👍

also dodge%

[willow fog]

Actually I was curious

Theres a zeus boon that sets minimum damage to 50

[torn wind]

Even spindles do like 23 damage on Pain 3

[willow fog]

Is that from every source? Like even gust

[halcyon rain]

yes, even gust

[willow fog]

Lmfao

It sounds like a pain to setup but it seems comedic

[torn wind]

It is “is the number that appears per tick less than 50? Yes? Make it 50 then”

[willow fog]

What sources are there of that kinda damage

Gust, the apollo thing that does damage over 0.125 second ticks

[halcyon rain]

support fire from artemis, gusts, uhh

[desert thistle]

static shock

[torn wind]

Meat grinder

[halcyon rain]

Prominence flare too

[bitter stirrup]

Coat dash-strike, Hidden Skull attack, stupid Ocast boons

[willow fog]

Thats more than I expected tbh

[desert thistle]

demeter cast

[torn wind]

They said prominence flare just they didn’t say the name

[broken creek]

although do keep in mind that air quality only takes effect after every other modifier

[bitter stirrup]

Hidden Flames weapon damage

[ebon sigil]

Prom flare is bad with charon axe right?

[halcyon rain]

it's just a badass name for a boon ngl

[broken creek]

so your damage value still goes through orig, furies, etc etc and then it checks if its under 50

[willow fog]

Yeah, its sick

[broken creek]

once you realize that the value of it kinda plumets since stuff like hel attack and static shock are basically already at 50+ with jpom and arcana mods

but meat grinder and demeter gusts still will get substantial buffs from AQ

[halcyon rain]

yeah it's mostly for gusts

[ebon sigil]

I’m having the perfect charon axe run so fun.

Jpom axe of charon, first boon flood ring, second boon Apollo gain, third super nova, fourth geyser spout, hammer was faster ospecials , Hermes’s was faster omegas, and then in second rea with zag card was heroic heph special.

[torn wind]

Epic Prom Flare with Jpom already does 50 damage with origination

[ebon sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-okay-great-meme-just-perfect-gif-13268829466700541863

[torn wind]

Air quality is FAR stronger without jpom

[willow fog]

Whats the zeus boon that gives the mana battery pack

[torn wind]

Ionic gain and it’s ass

[halcyon rain]

his gain?

[ebon sigil]

His gain of course

[ebon sigil]

It’s better than nothing.

[willow fog]

Yeah, I had a silly winning run where for some reason every pom I got upgraded it

Also echo doubled it lmao

[ebon sigil]

What a waste

[willow fog]

I think I got it to lvl 8 without making a single choice

[willow fog]

What a waste... what a waste... a waste

Every other boon I had was good, felt like a running joke

[torn wind]

Ionic gain is just a born gain that forces you to stop playing the game to go grab it. If it was just that you could walk through it like food and hecuba’s magick orbs it wouldn’t be so annoying

[willow fog]

Tbh I was dodging that for a while thinking it was a projectile lmfao

[torn wind]

It does get very lost in the fog of war

[willow fog]

Im surprised it isnt a pickul

[halcyon rain]

it's somehow worse than tranquil gain

[torn wind]

Yeah tranquil takes less time to mess with

[willow fog]

Cuz I think thats the only boon effect in the game you cant just walk into

[torn wind]

And does basically the same thing

Tranquil is actually genuinely good with jpom

[halcyon rain]

also tranquil works with wolf howl

[willow fog]

I prefer the Hep one myself

Free flat DR

[torn wind]

And lunar ray if you’re being funny

[torn wind]

Only if you have NO better options

Or really need it for a duo

[willow fog]

Lunar ray at the very least has good damage

[willow fog]

Its one of my fav boons lmao

I'm on low fear runs and pre true ending btw

[halcyon rain]

or you don't need magick

[desert thistle]

got a lvl 4 heroic heph gain the other day

[willow fog]

I doubt itll scale well

[desert thistle]

-7 per hit

[torn wind]

It sucks as a gain, the only reason to take tough gain is if it’s high rarity, don’t need magick, or need it for duos

[torn wind]

Sacrifice strats are funny

[willow fog]

Tbh I mostly use it the damage reduction

[torn wind]

It’s the only way to get Poms on tough gain

[willow fog]

And if I play rly rly well, Im tapped out on magic

[torn wind]

It’s not possible to get Poms on tough gain other than by sacrificing a gain that has Pom levels

[halcyon rain]

bro... now I wanna setup a queen/king's ransom and try to get a sacrifice for tough gain

[torn wind]

Make everything 1 damage lol

[willow fog]

How well does it scale up

Cuz I thought it scaled 1:1 but if a lvl 4 does 7, then it goes much further

[torn wind]

It’s not terrible just I only ever use it if I get the upgrade that makes it fire on its own

I did go through the work of getting 1.24 million damage on it during a run though

Which was funny

[willow fog]

How

[halcyon rain]

triple beam goes brrrr

[torn wind]

#h2-victory-boasting message

I actually didn’t get the triple beam

Makes it cost more which means more downtime

[halcyon rain]

okay this is really funny

[willow fog]

Does triple beam split damage per beam

[torn wind]

Every beam is full power

But I just needed the first hit damage

[halcyon rain]

I was thinking of doing 40f all hexes trying to focus on the hex as much as possible, it sounds fun

[torn wind]

The fan just kills stuff faster, for big numbers it isn’t needed

It just forces me to spend more time charging it

[broken creek]

you should do scars3 moonwater itd be so funny

[halcyon rain]

I'll do it

[broken creek]

make moonwater your money/mana engine exclusively

[torn wind]

50% damage buff for 5 seconds 🔥

[halcyon rain]

it will not be the worst hex

the worst one will be Skyfall

[torn wind]

Free omega cast

[halcyon rain]

it will force me to use selene

[willow fog]

Skyfall at least has iframes

[halcyon rain]

no it doesn't

[torn wind]

No it doesn’t

You’re thinking of wolf howl

[willow fog]

Is that not the jump?

Is skyfall the 1k damage in 4 seconds?

[torn wind]

Skyfall is the one that only appears on Selene coat

[willow fog]

Whats it do

[torn wind]

That’s total eclipse

[willow fog]

I dont like total eclipse

[torn wind]

Hits nearby enemies with moon beams

[halcyon rain]

it's ass that's all you gotta know

[willow fog]

Never have I been so whelmed

For like, 20 damage or smtn right?

[broken creek]

its whole thing is that its supposed to put a debuff that makes em take more omega damage but it only applies for a single hit

so you can Ospec and only 1 rocket gets the bonus 😭

[willow fog]

Im surprised that never got changed

Its locked to the one weapon that cant use it well

[torn wind]

It can do a lot more damage when you get the one that causes it to do increasing damage with every hit and hit 2 extra enemies

But it’s not anything spectacular

It can also get ares godsent which makes it gain wounds

[halcyon rain]

it's turbo ass

[willow fog]

It sounds like you're trying to strap guns to a wheelchair

[torn wind]

It would be “good” if it did a global damage buff and not just omegas

[halcyon rain]

i might be wrong but iirc it still respects wounds cooldown so

I'm not sure tho

[torn wind]

So then just don’t take ares attack or special

[halcyon rain]

yeah that's the best strat for the godsent

[red fox]

Idk i heard it ignore cooldown so just straight+pwr

[halcyon rain]

idk

couldn't care less for this aspect anyway

[red fox]

Nobody bother to play it to care

[halcyon rain]

but like, even if it ignores it's ass

[desert thistle]

i hate using omegas on coat so i just play it as a worse mel coat

[broken creek]

i think thats the one cool thing it does is ignore the cooldown and inflicts wounds on every hit of it

[torn wind]

As you should tbh

[broken creek]

cuz ik godsent can lowkey melt

[halcyon rain]

oh okay cool

like the hestia godsent being able to apply more than 999 scorch it's cool

[torn wind]

Other way to play Selene is to take controlled burn and get fourth degree and spam wounds fireballs that do 500 base damage

[red fox]

With ares legendary now that godsent really melt

[halcyon rain]

ah I remember the godsent that doesn't break the rules is the aphro one

it still respects the heartthrob limit iirc

[red fox]

Wounds fireball is one of the funniest things in game

Combine it with some global crit you see silly number

[willow fog]

Whats that?

[broken creek]

controlled burn is the fireball cast and fourth degree is the hestia/ares duo that makes the fireball give 500 power wounds lmao

[willow fog]

So its like the Hep bonk without cooldown?

[tardy juniper]

so I just got the end credits, now what?

[void needle]

Ggs!!

[buoyant matrix]

keep playing if you like, there's an epilogue and lots of extra content with different npcs

[willow fog]

Now the real game begins

Same as Hi Fi Rush lol

[tardy juniper]

is it just pushing heat and maxing the aspects and relationships?

does the epilogue happen naturally as I keep playing and doing runs?

[buoyant matrix]

you have to finish a ton of minor prophecies and advance your relationship with moros for the epilogue

[tardy juniper]

does advancing your relationships with others do anything?

[buoyant matrix]

you get more dialogue and sometimes a sort of side quest to do for them

[willow fog]

Also romances

Is than aspect the best axepect?

[buoyant matrix]

hidden aspect

[willow fog]

Are hidden aspects locked to after finishing the game btw

[cunning laurel]

no just dialogue

[willow fog]

Ahh ty

Oh, its 1 hp per hit, like the guan yu

Is the berserk tracker per encounter

[buoyant matrix]

yes, resets at the start of every encounter

[willow fog]

Hordes is going to be quite the buff

[buoyant matrix]

the healing bypasses scars too

[willow fog]

Flat rate healing man

Is that the best hidden aspect?

[reef sail]

Ugh the contract fight hurts so much

[buoyant matrix]

that would likely be the blade's

[reef sail]

I should probably stop trying to do it in region 2

[buoyant matrix]

that's as late as you can get it in the underworld

[reef sail]

Oh

Woof

Guess I just need to get good

I managed it once so far

My build was so fun this time too

Anvil ring circe

[willow fog]

How does autofire work for torches

[strong rapids]

on attack does nothing, on special works as you'd expect

[willow fog]

But how do you trigger special attack on autofire

[strong rapids]

what do you mean

just press or hold the special button

[bitter stirrup]

If you mean the omega, you cannot get to the omega special on auto-fire

[willow fog]

Oh, it just straight disables it lmao

[placid sonnet]

When doing a judgment run which arcana do y'all think is the most important to start with?

[broken creek]

orig, death/strength, furies

or you could do boatman/artificer over death/strength and just bank on hitting those later

[willow fog]

I miss when boatman was a keepsake

Daddy charon giving my allowance

[broken creek]

unless we're talking void3(65f) in which case strength + persistence is pretty standard but stuff like sorceress/runner/messenger + artificer + persistence is very strong

[bitter stirrup]

But it was Hypnos' keepsake in H1 right lol

[willow fog]

It was charon's I think?

[bitter stirrup]

Charon was "make items from Wells of Charon last longer"

Though I guess Boatman was also in the Mirror of Night just weaker

[willow fog]

Oh it was hypnos yeah

[craggy totem]

I mean it still is a keepsake

You can take Charon's purse

[willow fog]

I mean the money at start

Its a card now

[desert thistle]

charon's keepsake gives coins

[willow fog]

What

[craggy totem]

In Hades 2, Charon's keepsake is a purse and it gives you money

Just straight up gives it to you in a lump sum

It's just that then you have to contend with opportunity cost with other, stronger keepsakes

[willow fog]

Bruh I guess I never gave him nectar

[craggy totem]

How

[bitter stirrup]

Oh yeah I actually forgot he had a keepsake in this game cause it's just kinda useless

[desert thistle]

quick buck etc works on it too

[willow fog]

Hell if I know

[craggy totem]

Man's doin you so many favors smh

Ferrying the dead's gotta be a thirsty job

[willow fog]

Nectar is scarce

[desert thistle]

how did you not notice the gap in the keepsake box

[willow fog]

Same reason I never got poseidons keepsake lol

Its easy to forget whos you dont have

[desert thistle]

u can check via book of shadows

[willow fog]

I mean, it shows whos you have iirc

[bitter stirrup]

They really just made it useless with the postgame keepsakes lol, would have to buff it to like 600 gold at least to make it not obsolete

[willow fog]

I havent rly gotten down to a checklist yet

Also, hows the chaos keepsake work

You get x boon and it gets replaced after a while?

[broken creek]

whim on its own makes 2/3 of the box useless 😭

[willow fog]

Whim?

[craggy totem]

Postgame keepsake thing

[willow fog]

I was kinda hoping the chaos keepsake just gave you more boons over time

[broken creek]

yeah so basically every encounter or couple encounters i forget but itll reroll what the chaos boon is until you remove the keepsake which will keep it set

[craggy totem]

Every 8

[desert thistle]

8

[broken creek]

cool, ive never touched it lol

[willow fog]

I was hoping to just get free boons but damn I get it

[desert thistle]

my go to starter before pom

[willow fog]

In h1 lol that pom was stupid good

[desert thistle]

do ephyra side rooms count as encounters?

[broken creek]

yeah

[willow fog]

If theres a fight its an encounrer iirc

Boats usually count for 2 encounters for reference

[bitter stirrup]

Wait yeah I just realized Ephyra ||region 3 in dream dives|| is also GOATed for Silken Sash stacking if you have the timer to do side rooms

But I also want it ||region 2|| for boon stacking lol

[torn wind]

Side rooms don't count as locations

They don't reset anything that is location based like hexes or wayward

[tardy juniper]

Btw, are there any RPGs like Hades out there?

Specifically I'm talking about the control scheme

Where you can move with keyboard and there's enough auto aim you can play without a mouse

[reef sail]

Local climate works on Charon explosions right?

[prisma monolith]

Most survivor likes auto aim

Or aim the direction your moving

[buoyant matrix]

yes

[reef sail]

Do charon explosions just show as Casts on the chart or is the damage attributed to your ospecial?

[nova oar]

Casts

[prisma monolith]

The cast and the special do separate instances of dmg

[slim pike]

Charon explosions aren't a separate move, it literally just calls a function that tells your cast that it's armed as an omega, its fuse is 0.2 seconds and is 30% bigger

and that function gets called if any part of an omega special overlaps with a regular cast

[torn wind]

Yeah the cast still entirely behaves like normal other than the size and damage buff

[whole remnant]

its a free large omega cast for the cost of an omega special which also goes of ofc

thats why you need apollo and poseidon to juice it up

[strong rapids]

im really glad they made super nova work with charon

[whole remnant]

dem/ares have some good boons for charon too, giga cleaver, etc

i liked apollo/poseidon/dem/zeus get AQ on prom flare and arctic gale before you drop the hammer

option to take lightning lance if you wanna toss casts but i never enjoyed that combat loop but some do

AQ on Meat Grinder is crazy because the tooltip lies its really broken down to a smaller time scale so comes out like 250 damage a second or something cant remember exactly

but you'd need a lucky 5 good pool and hit everything unlikely for that monstrosity

just apollo is key and poseidons geyser sprout. i needed those for my highest charon clear, which gets tougher to play high fear.

[nova oar]

It was a bug originally lmaoooo

[strong rapids]

see i saw everybody report on it as a bug but i thought that was just a false assumption, like it was working as intended but people thought it was a weird bugged interaction between boons

[reef sail]

How does it work other than what i would expect?

[broken creek]

iirc blowing it up made it get the full supernova bonus

so like youd just make the cast 2x as big on command with zero wait time was the bug but if someone wants to correct me

[strong rapids]

i think it just used to not scale with super nova, and then they fixed it to make it work with super nova, but it was SO huge that people thought it was a bug

maybe it really was a bug, idk XD

[torn wind]

That’s part of the intended function of Charon apparently

[broken creek]

oh so was it just too big or smth

[torn wind]

It doesn’t explode it in its current state it just ACCELERATES it instantly

It’s supposed to be that big

I mean yeah 2x size sounds about right

70% super nova + 30% Charon = +100% size

[slim pike]

Super nova interpolates how rapidly it should expand based on the cast duration

So when the cast is set to last 0.2 seconds...

[red fox]

Imagine cast get speed up like winner circle too

[slim pike]

It might do now, I've not tested

WC's interactions got adjusted recently

[cunning laurel]

ooh how

[slim pike]

All cast boons adjust their tickrates correctly with the faster cast, but wc's actual numbers were nerfed

Basically storm ring got another buff

[cunning laurel]

i did expect it to be overtuned

[slim pike]

big nerf to omega cast setups

since heroic WC used to be 175% faster, now it's 70%

[whole remnant]

Circe is always happy to hear storm ring gets a buff

[slim pike]

so old WC makes casts go off in basically 1 second, now it's 1.76

[strong rapids]

tbh a 175% boost is pretty insane, the current iteration of WC has more sensical highs and lows imo

[slim pike]

well, 175% was so fast it was basically nothing

old common WC was 100% and that made casts go off in 1.5 seconds

three entire rarities to save half a second

now the scaling is 2.14 seconds at common to 1.76...

it's.... actually less of a difference now

basically don't burn your calling card on WC

[whole remnant]

hermes boons are funny, rarity can be huge or meh

[slim pike]

Seriously

of note is Nimble limbs and Racing Thoughts, where each rarity is more impactful than the last

[whole remnant]

nitro boost. heroic is like a free pass with a good build

[slim pike]

but the speed boost is flat so it's kinda both ways there

Travel Deal's rarity is basically irrelevant

[whole remnant]

well the damage blocks per location are the highlight of nitro boost

the speed is nice

[slim pike]

yeah, just saying it's got a scaling and non scaling feature and both are good

[whole remnant]

but having 3 or 4 damage blocks per location is insane

yeah its my fav

[slim pike]

travel deal's nonscaling feature is alone enough to make it great

[whole remnant]

travel deal on high fear does not much because you cant afford the second boon anyways usually

[slim pike]

(just annoying when Hermes offers it in endshops)

[whole remnant]

unless you purged like a chaos boon or something

[slim pike]

Time Piece largely invalidates it

Or I guess you can choose to take option #2 at one end shop so you can double up on the one after

[whole remnant]

even with time piece unless you're hitting huge purges you might get one double up on a boon

[slim pike]

Hasty Retreat loves it some rarity, like wow that makes a difference

[whole remnant]

yes its great with gale and wispy wiles

[red fox]

Just git gud that 5% dodge work like 50% dodge

[slim pike]

Quick buck.... hrmm

Odd one

[whole remnant]

only matters if you get it before you've used time piece like twice?

[red fox]

Quick buck rarity is kinda whatever too

[slim pike]

except it's more impactful than Ocean's Bounty for money gain, despite the lower numbers

[whole remnant]

epic quick buck then purge like a chaos boon

[slim pike]

because it's a global cash multiplier, not just reward

[red fox]

Rich

[slim pike]

even 30% feels like a big boost at keeping ahead of the curve of money gained to shop costs

Stutter Step Rarity... hrmmmm really hard to judge

success rate tho....

heroic is literally twice as good as common and wow you feel it

[whole remnant]

i really only use calling card in niche situations. dream dives a bit more because i can come out of like fields or thessaly very incomplete depending on artificer. and if i have a charge left more likely to opt calling card

on my 62 mel coat dream dive i got heroic volcanic strike and nitro boost with a charge left over

also in dream dives good purges aren't promised sometimes its onions and maybe a couple bones depending on route

i dont often use calling card on UW or Surface. Ive tried it third in Surface if I have a build that doesn't benefit much from knuckle bones timer shooting for heroic hermes/dio/athena

[willow fog]

Does knuckle bones work for both chronos phases btw

[whole remnant]

no

[willow fog]

I guess its just a damage reduction lol

[strong rapids]

its quite lame against chronos

besides DR i guess yea

[willow fog]

Vs the other boss tho, it cooks

[strong rapids]

tbh i dont think ive taken it once in my past 250 runs at least 😭 but thats just me

[willow fog]

The DR actually helps since man racks up a lot of chip, but yeah kinda sad

[whole remnant]

Knuckle Bones i only really use against a certain VOR boss but wont spoil

[willow fog]

My safety net is usually the skeletooth

It doesnt even do anything 9/10 times but it gives me confidence

[whole remnant]

i run White Antler last 90% of the time

[willow fog]

You're crazy

[whole remnant]

usually JP->TP->depends->White Antler

White Antler is the standard high fear final biome item

[willow fog]

Isnt it hp to 30

[whole remnant]

yeah

[willow fog]

How tf

[whole remnant]

but i'm playing 62 fear if i was getting hit a lot i wouldn;t be in the 4th biome

[willow fog]

Im nowhere near good enough for that

[torn wind]

If you kill stuff faster then it has less time to hit you

🧠

[willow fog]

I can see the logic but my hands cant cash in that kinda godlike plays

[torn wind]

But yeah playing white antler is a HUGE mental barrier

It took me a while to run white antler on anything but low fear speedruns

[prisma monolith]

The classic "im healing you by killing the stuff that was going to damage you"

[whole remnant]

White Antler keeps me on my toes, I'm not getting messy because I can't. well usually.

[torn wind]

White antler summit is way harder than Tartarus tbh

And then Chronos and Typhon just evaporate

Though at high fear and rivals it’s a different story

[whole remnant]

if you get past the twins or don;t face them white antler usually gets you there

asssuming your build got juice

[torn wind]

Twins is the easy one

[prisma monolith]

Yeah twins is def the easy fight

[willow fog]

Proactive healing like a doc with a glock

[torn wind]

Well they CAN one shot you on pain 2

But on anyfear as long as you have full health they can’t one-shot

[whole remnant]

not 62+ imo, the last two wardens are the easiest, hitch does make twins a lot easier

[willow fog]

The twins were fine but tbh I fight the big shark much more easily

[prisma monolith]

So can chronos on fear 0, just dodge

[torn wind]

Tail can pull some BS

Spawn is a skill check

Eye you gotta be patient or bum rush him

I got through a damageless 62 summit before Typhon but it wasn’t easy

[whole remnant]

eye is easiest i say then spawn/tail then twins unless you have hitch that helps twins a lot

[torn wind]

Stalkers are a really painful skill check every single time

The fact they just will not come up without you being forced to dodge a skill check is goofy

[whole remnant]

i've done damageless typhon on 62 but never damageless summit i don't think, something knicks my armor. usually first room

[prisma monolith]

I still cant believe they nerfed the little turrets on olympus but not the hyppos

[willow fog]

What are hyppos again

[torn wind]

I suck at rivals Typhon lol

[prisma monolith]

What are those enemies in oceanus that throw the homing projectile and explode when they die

Ah its hippo

[willow fog]

Oh those suck

[whole remnant]

i prefer to rivals chronos. if i can get to typhon i usually have the build to finish the job, chronos will time me out or slice me up phase 3 sometimes

[prisma monolith]

I dislike rival typhon simply cause I thought zeus appearing was cool

[whole remnant]

i only have 62 clears on surface with mel staff, circe, mel skulls, persephone, hel, morrigan, and pan tk "slop" as they say tho

UW i have all but axes and shiva done now

[willow fog]

Whys pan slop

[prisma monolith]

Boring imo

[torn wind]

Trick knives slop

[whole remnant]

trick knives slop they say

[willow fog]

Is there a prophecy for clearing with all aspects btw

[torn wind]

It’s “just hit the hammer upgrade and you win”

[willow fog]

Like circe staff zeuscast

[whole remnant]

especially with pan

[torn wind]

Yes no fear required just clear UW or surface

[whole remnant]

Pan goes garbage to superhero with TK

[spare wind]

The fact that I got 100% achivements yesterday for completion and another reason to move on to and play new game
But i all i have is hades 2 in mind

[torn wind]

The prophecy reveals itself after you unlock every aspect but every clear before still counts

[willow fog]

TK?

[whole remnant]

unlike Mel Blades which can hang without TK just a lot harder, Morrigan is totally different

[torn wind]

Play 40 fear

[whole remnant]

TK is Trick Knives

[spare wind]

Been thinking of trying a 50f run

[torn wind]

Trick knives

[willow fog]

Whats that do

[spare wind]

I have done a 45f just the last rivals are I suck the most at

[torn wind]

50 fear is when you either have to take max rivals or start turning on the vows that are annoying or make stuff hurt

[whole remnant]

when you dash strike your special comes out in three fans

[willow fog]

Same damage per fan?

[torn wind]

It’s incredibly spammable and does insane damage

[whole remnant]

so mega special damage into hordes or just enemies in general

[spare wind]

I mean i don't mind more foes vow though but the damage? That's crazy

[torn wind]

Yes it’s 3 instant specials at once in addition to your dash attack

[spare wind]

I can make a good build with circe which happens to be very good for room control aswell

[willow fog]

Tbf its circe

[whole remnant]

its busted with hera or zeus special but really doesn't matter, my 62f pan surface had nova flourish

[willow fog]

90% of the build is the aspect

[reef sail]

What happens if you purge half of a feud room? 👀

[spare wind]

Yeah your right
But you gotta stack good cast boons

[nova oar]

Why is he lying

[willow fog]

True, i heard zeus was best for it

[spare wind]

Not sure tbh
I have used almost everything on it and never got dissapointed lol

The meat grinder from ares is so good on cast aswell

[whole remnant]

nah Circe takes a lot of skill to play and good boons for attack/special. cast and psychic leash do a ton of damage but that gets you so far up the chain

[willow fog]

Turns out double cast is a little powerful lol

[torn wind]

Ehhhhhh it doesn’t do much damage and forces you to use omega cast

[willow fog]

Im not saying circe is low skill

Its just incredibly rewarding and theres not many failure points to use it

[whole remnant]

Circe is one of the best aspects for sure

[torn wind]

It’s barely any more damage than arctic gale, forces you to use omega, and doesn’t even apply a curse

[spare wind]

I mean omega cast is good when you have a power boon when the omega cast goes out

[willow fog]

Very versatile aspect

[storm osprey]

Are we talking high fear or not? Because up until 20 fear storm ring and lightning lance by itself wins the run imo

[willow fog]

You get so much real estate to work with

[torn wind]

So the singular boon in the game that does that yeah

[spare wind]

Good to know that ngl

And ofcourse the staff which is incredibly safe

[willow fog]

I also heard poseidon is good for the missile volley, is that true

[torn wind]

Arctic gale is insanely good on Circe since it can make up for storm ring not counting for origination

[whole remnant]

I think Mel Staff and Skulls are the strongest then Circe. Besides TK on Pan/Mel especially those are just stupid busted but most hammer dependent.

Arctic Gale with AQ

[torn wind]

While also providing a ton of safety and even solid damage

[whole remnant]

is bonkers

[willow fog]

Mel staff is ok, tbh mel aspects are rarely horrendous

[storm osprey]

Not* counting is what you meant right?

[willow fog]

Even the worst one (imo axe) offers some value

Im not a fan of how axe power doesnt affect special damage

[torn wind]

Yes corrected

[whole remnant]

Mel Staff is the most cleared high fear aspect. tons of 67 fear clears

[willow fog]

Huh, really

[torn wind]

Phone autocorrect screwed me

[willow fog]

What makes it that good

[torn wind]

Mel staff just has a nuke button for special

80 base damage is stupidly strong for something so long range and fast

[storm osprey]

Mel staff is good but boring ngl

[whole remnant]

Special is crazy, add dual moonshot and holy crackers

[torn wind]

It’s incredibly safe while still doing good damage

[willow fog]

Lmao 80 base damage is like default axe-adjacent

[whole remnant]

or hitch and shimmering

[torn wind]

Yup but with 2x the speed an 3x the range

[willow fog]

Yeah its absurd is what I mean

[reef sail]

Nyx here talking to her parent and I just banish them from the realm in front of her face

[willow fog]

My tier 3 axe swings for 110 lol

[torn wind]

The base combo of Mel staff is dash attack to special which lets you very easily cycle curses while staying very long range

[whole remnant]

faster, better range, and with huntress its the same as an omega special lol

[torn wind]

It’s only a boon it’s okay

[willow fog]

Effectively yes lol

[whole remnant]

with dual moonshot less range but enough and two shots

[reef sail]

She commented on it tho which sent me

“Chaos???”

[willow fog]

Thats nearly every wep in this game, and a good chunk of them in H1

[whole remnant]

flutter flourish or sworn flourish dominant on Mel. Even Vicious is good if you get Grievous

[torn wind]

Not really tbh

[willow fog]

What doesnt dash attack in this game

[storm osprey]

Medea

lol

[whole remnant]

Mel Skulls PA and Looming ignition is my GOAT not Madea

but yeah i staff and skull mostly lol

[willow fog]

Skull main here too

Magdump go brr

[torn wind]

So you play the weapon that doesn’t dash attack lol

[red fox]

Skull and torch don't really have a dash strike

[torn wind]

Supay is dash____

[willow fog]

Who uses supay

[torn wind]

It’s actually my most cleared aspect cause I find it fun

[storm osprey]

I sometimes do, I didn’t used to but then I had a bonkers build

[torn wind]

Supay max fear is never gonna happen

[slim pike]

They literally don't, you'll never see dashstrike on the damage chart

Kinda why the game seems way less obsessed with dash strikes than hades 1

[torn wind]

Hades 1 was “finger breaker: the game”

[limpid oar]

Only having one dash also helps with dash strikes not being as heavily spammed

[bitter stirrup]

Same one of my most cleared aspects is Supay my go-to for fun runs lol

[red fox]

Tell that to trick knife

[slim pike]

But what if... trick knives

[torn wind]

Hades 1 there was basically zero repercussions to spamming dash strike

[bitter stirrup]

Which is kinda funny cause it kinda just wants a flat damage soup every time

[storm osprey]

I have carpal tunnel from H1 Ares doom build, that duo one with Athena

[slim pike]

Supay is an olympian damage aspect

[storm osprey]

Merciful end

[torn wind]

Merciful end divine dash the goat

[storm osprey]

Impending doom too

[bitter stirrup]

I find that I take Stutter Step a lot on dash-strike spam but for some reason it results in me screwing up the timing

[slim pike]

Imagine impending doom in h2

[torn wind]

It’s dumb that you needed to take special though to get the duo

[slim pike]

A self nerf

[storm osprey]

I think it was changed, you could have it with the dash. But don’t quote me on that

[limpid oar]

It seems like a way of balancing ME

[torn wind]

So many of the duos relied on taking attack or special even if another boon had the same function and I’m happy they changed that in H2

[torn wind]

To get ME you needed attack or special on ares and Athena

[slim pike]

mostly

[torn wind]

But it WORKED with anything that did deflect

[red fox]

At beginning you don't need special to get the duo, and then get nerfed iirc

[slim pike]

Tell glamour gain to be acceptable to island getaway

[storm osprey]

I know, I meant in an earlier build it wasn’t like that. But maybe I’m tripping

[storm osprey]

Yeah this

[slim pike]

But they did fix smithy rush to be an acceptable blaster boon for the relevant duos

[torn wind]

Well either way it’s like that now when I played last week and jumped from 1 heat (from 3 years ago) to 32 heat in 3 days

[slim pike]

Now that they loosened up hostile environment, I wonder what the fussiest duo is now...

[torn wind]

Still glorious disaster

[bitter stirrup]

Another weird one is how Static Shock isn't a prereq for Killer Current but Lightning Lance is

[torn wind]

Or sunny dispo

[slim pike]

(It was updated to also accept cut above, if you didn't know)

[torn wind]

Honestly, heinous affront cause it’s the only duo that needs 3 boons

[slim pike]

Sure?

[torn wind]

Ripple effect at least counts fine line and ocean swell for their respective gods AND the third category

[slim pike]

No it doesn't

[torn wind]

And you gotta take an area attack or special

[slim pike]

They still need a core each

[torn wind]

Yes it does

[bitter stirrup]

Natural Selection needs one of Plentiful Forage/Steady Growth/Sea Star/Buried Treasure along with the cores lol

[slim pike]

Was it changed?

[bitter stirrup]

They really needed to buff that lol

Make it Ransom level

[torn wind]

It counts fine line or ocean swell in place of a core boon but either one is needed for the third category

So you can get it with just 2 boons and without even a single core boon

[slim pike]

It was such an interesting duo before, but so wonky

[red fox]

It is making sure it never show up to dilute the pool

[slim pike]

Removed hearts, tonics and cash from the major room reward pool

[torn wind]

Survival of the fittest. YOU are the one being naturally selected by them taking away getting health lol

[slim pike]

You could still buy it

You just drowned in boons if you got it early. It was great

[slim pike]

But at the same time. 8 pom levels at once is a lot, and spplied to your cores

Just... demeter's cores scale like doodoo

[red fox]

Sorry 6 of them go to your gain

[slim pike]

It's not random

Iirc

It goes down the list and adds a level to each core in order and loops as required until it has done 8 levels

[red fox]

Ig it feel like ass because always running jpom

[slim pike]

It's worse there unless you're heph blasting

Or running waves, since they scale linearly anyway

[red fox]

Extra 1~2 pom doesn't do thing unless blasting with heph

[slim pike]

Or storm/rapture ring

[red fox]

Wave +5 per level nice

[slim pike]

Blade ring has some nice scaling now iirc

Flattens out at 20 iirc

[whole remnant]

still has the problem off coffin nail for guaranteed success

but did get a buff

[slim pike]

Blade ring is one of those cases where cutting edge is better, but I'll never turn down coffin nail

Casts actually immobilise enemies, and only tick once anyway

Yes, Eris, I see you there

[whole remnant]

i just think its still at the bottom of casts, no curse or great CC, damage isn't instant etc

but its more viable

[slim pike]

I think it's biggest fault is the existence of wards

It's actually a real heavy hitter against crowds now, and very funny with howling soul

[whole remnant]

most aspects i'm going for crowd control or curse for cast is the main thing

[slim pike]

You could argue that arctic ring is best with blade ring since it solves many of its problems

Arctic gale *

[whole remnant]

yeah Arctic Gale would help

still stacks better on a lot of other casts

its double curse on a bunch for origination

[worthy pier]

I got two rooms, one has a forget me not finger and another has the sane but with a star. What's the difference?

[buoyant matrix]

the star means you've already gathered enough of the resource to do the incantation/recipe you marked

[worthy pier]

Ah cool thanks!

[reef sail]

Do I ever go back to using rerolls or is fates whim just. better

[red fox]

Fw just better

Unless you wanna try certain build very badly

[buoyant matrix]

rerolls are better when speedrunning to remain sane

[reef sail]

…remain?

Yall sane here?

[worthy pier]

If 8 can choose Vicious Strike 65% > 70% damage or Shameless Attitude 7% > 9%, which one would actually give more? I know Shameless applies to ALL damage types but I'm modtly attacking and doing casts. Just curious how percentqges here are calculated. Additively or Multiplicatively and from Base damage or total damage?

[reef sail]

Vicious strike % is applied to your Attacks (which includes dash strike, omega attack, and the bonus damage that wounds inflicts when off cooldown)

[buoyant matrix]

shameless becomes 4% if you're above 80% hp so take that

[real scarab]

My trick knives runs had Zeus, hestia and Aphro specials. Do you add your runs to h2crossroads

[worthy pier]

It says while I have at least 80% it's doubled, so above 80% it goes from 7 to 14, no?

[reef sail]

Shameless would apply to everything you do that does damage

[reef sail]

He means the 2% your Pom adds would he 4%

[whole remnant]

i have switch 2 so i need a capture card to

[buoyant matrix]

yes, and with the pom it gets 9 to 18

so you go from 14 to 18, a 4 percent global damage boost

vs 5% on just your attack

[real scarab]

You can just upload the victory screen. I don't upload all vods either

[whole remnant]

i thought about buying one but wifey is heavily against spending money on capture card. we debated this when i was like one of the best Emerald Rush players in the US (Japan had the best)

i see all of them with videos

[whole remnant]

ive never seen just screen uploads do they go somewhere else?

[real scarab]

No they're in the same page but the link is just the victory screen image

[worldly mantle]

only thing you need a full recording of is speedrun.com submissions as far as i know

h2 crossroads does let you do image submissions

[whole remnant]

weird to me it just displays like video thumbnails but i guess some must go to screens, majority must just be videos

ive watched maybe a couple dozen on there

67s and few 65s

well not thumbnails. used to say video/arcana/vows. now they're pictures and says aspect/fear

[placid sonnet]

I'm trying to like the aspect of momus, but it just feels so risky to get value out of it

[shadow grotto]

alright I know it's a skill issue but I really just can't play anubis without taking 500 dmg the entire run

[nova oar]

How are you playing it

[nova oar]

Yeah it's the worst staff aspect

[shadow grotto]

like it's supposed to be played

omega attacks

[torn wind]

Put down your attack and omega attack then run around pulling enemies in with special and activating your shades. Throw in an omega special here and there

[shadow grotto]

I've tried like 3 diffrent playstlyes

[torn wind]

If an enemy chases you just force them to run into your attack and cast

[shadow grotto]

yeah man

[torn wind]

Well what do you take for an attack boon

Poseidon, Hestia and Hera are all VERY strong

Poseidon and Hestia cause flat damage and Hera cause obviously… it’s hitch it’s always good especially when it’s like twice the size of your cast

[shadow grotto]

yeah allat I did

it's just a skill issue

[buoyant matrix]

watching some gameplay can be really helpful

[placid sonnet]

My problem with Anubis is idk what to put on the special because it's not important at all. So I guess just anything that can apply a curse

[torn wind]

I mean Anubis is apparently my fastest non-skull aspect on surface now so it’s not a bad aspect. I’m trying it for high fear underworld to mixed results but I’m getting skill issues

[buoyant matrix]

watch a speedrun or 62 fear run with it

[buoyant matrix]

the special is pretty good actually

base special is great for applying status effects and omega special has massive damage for %boosts

[torn wind]

Blitz or Apollo/Aphro depending on whether you plan to just use the normal special or spam the omega special

[buoyant matrix]

speedruns focus mainly on ospecial

[torn wind]

Hera is also a solid option if you want to hitch enemies while pulling them in

Yeah speed runs use the attack for zoning then spam omega special

[shadow grotto]

I can't even complete a surface run with 16 fear

[torn wind]

#h2-victory-boasting message spoiler for rivals 3 fight just in case you don’t want that spoiled

[shadow grotto]

idk how stupid I am because I just can't seem to beat typhon even though I can comfortably complete chronos

[torn wind]

Simple question

Where do you stand when fighting Typhon

[placid sonnet]

So what hammers are good for it? I'll keep that in mind

Like the aspect in general

[shadow grotto]

run around and dodge the atacks mostly in the middle

[torn wind]

For speedruns for damage take dual moonshot and aetheric

[torn wind]

Stand under his chin

[shadow grotto]

what

[torn wind]

His laser can’t hit you there if you just dodge at him since it starts at the tip of his tongue

Then just dodge backwards if you see him go for a chin slam

There’s tons of time to react

Literally the worst place to stand is away from him

You just stand up against his chin and react if he does something funny

That’s it that’s how simple the fight is

If you see the tentacles coming or the eyes that hit the front during the final phase just dodge backwards

But for anything but the final phase he can literally only hit you with like 2 moves that are very heavily telegraphed

[shadow grotto]

fine

[slim pike]

Stop dodging towards typhon's chin slam

[shadow grotto]

one or two more runs with it

[slim pike]

dodge away from it, it has to be directly away

[torn wind]

Dodge towards him for laser away for chin slam

Yeah dodging sideways on chin slam is very likely to get you hit since it remains active a long time

You have to time it nearly perfectly to fully dodge it

[slim pike]

Also oAttack on anubis melts typhon, always have it down

[shadow grotto]

if I still don't complete a surface run I'm officially just bad at anubis

[slim pike]

it's not like he'll dodge it

[torn wind]

Yeah literally just put it down and spam omega specials

And keep cast up for furies arcana

[whole remnant]

and CC casts are great like Dem or Aphros

[torn wind]

Demeter cast is massive on Anubis

Or Aphro obviously

Just completely makes enemies incapable of escaping the attack

[whole remnant]

yeah my 62 clear had zeus attack w/ static and dem cast

and epic heph special

[torn wind]

Did you get arc flash? It’s so funny on Anubis

[whole remnant]

still tanked 30 seconds of clock😂

denial vs static

[torn wind]

Ah then yeah static all the way

[slim pike]

New tech

Use ospecial then engagement ring

Anubis supercollider

[whole remnant]

speaking of clocks my shiva run with gig dash got messed up by scylla, recovered, then tart takes forever and i time out on chronos p3

after shiva back to the surface

[torn wind]

Or just use Hera attack and static shock

[whole remnant]

im not trying axes until i get some practice, nergal i have 60/55 mel axe 58/55 those are my best

[torn wind]

Hera attack and static on Anubis is so insanely broken lol

Just plays the game for you

[whole remnant]

shiva is last aspect to clear 62 and i can do more surface 62s and dream dives, still doing them just no new wins since my early streak besides my second 62 mel staff

shiva (besides axes) i should say

for UW. surface just mel staff/circe/skulls/pan

oh and morrigan

not Madea tho, i fumble Madea a couple times on surface, easier in UW, Surface so many small missteps and you wreck built up armor or straight up blow a DD etc

Madea's high risk is illuminated on surface

[slim pike]

Oh it's probably better, but this is funny

[whole remnant]

yall wanting me to do anubis surface now where you can boon shop

but UW was hard enough clock almost took me out

[short jay]

And this is why I lost my mind on the first game... The power turned off while I was fighting ||vow of rivals chronos|| AND IT SENT ME BACK TO THE CROSSROADS

[nova oar]

That's how it works yes

[prisma monolith]

Sounds like a power problem, not the game, theres a way yo recover your runs in your files and whatnot

I dont know the exact details myself

[short jay]

No I know

I know I waited till the power strong enough to turn on the ac to come back so I can do it

But then suddenly it turned off just after it turned on

[bitter stirrup]

If you're on PC you can recover your save I think?

[short jay]

Ps5

[prisma monolith]

Youre cooked

[paper comet]

You can recover your save

If you have plus

[tranquil wren]

wait what

you need a subscription to recover saves?

[prisma monolith]

That sounds ridiculous if thats the case, however, his save wasnt lost, just the run

[short jay]

Yes just the run-

It's just what made me mad in hades 1, I reach far in a run then I have to redo it

[prisma monolith]

In pc you can recover the run, in consoles youre cooked, sorry

[willow fog]

How close you get

Oh, you mean save files

[short jay]

In my last run in hades 2? I reached ||vow of rivals chronos||

[short jay]

Eh it's fine I'll do it at night when I know the wifi won't turn off

No wait the power-

[willow fog]

I thought you just choked at run end and wanted a retry

[sleek wind]

mfw poseidon's positive vibe when he goes "Another Onion!"

choking back tears

[prisma monolith]

HAVE ANOTHER

[reef sail]

Sea stonion

[willow fog]

A whole 2hp

[slim pike]

he actually has lines for doubling up onions?

[willow fog]

Question, is than axe good

[cursive nacelle]

Its alright. Its noticably better when fully upgraded

[willow fog]

What boons do I want with it

[cursive nacelle]

Same as other axes. % for attack pref aphro

[willow fog]

Thanks

I thought attack speed mighta been a good play

[cursive nacelle]

If possible

[lean dove]

what did the update yesterday for console do?

[lean dove]

it’s personally my least favorite weapon in the game, but it can be good.

i use the aspect of thanatos for the faster speed and crit chance. as for boons i like to use scorch or wounds.

[willow fog]

I just did a run with it

The plasma lets it scale quite fast with ares

[hoary gull]

Hey guys anyone knows if H2 shares progression with Xbox Series S and Steam version?

[merry whale]

at least for switch, only hotfix 1 changes so far

[zealous remnant]

Hey everyone im new here. Ive been in h1 discussions but as of today ive completed hades 1 and gotten the platinum so im ready for hades 2.

How much more difficult is hades 2 compared to the first game ?

[proud swift]

It varies a lot from person to person, generally Hades 2 is definitely a harder game when you start but if you're already experienced from Hades 1 you might not struggle. Hades 2 changes the gameplay flow quite a bit to be less focused on dashes and more focused on casting so that could trip you up a lot. Climbing the "heat" levels in this game is definitely a lot easier than Hades 1 though if that's something you're interested in.

[strong rapids]

yeah just make sure you're coming in with a fresh mind and not trying to force the things you're used to from hades 1 and ignoring the new stuff in hades 2

[zealous remnant]

Thanks for the imput. I was more of a slash and dash type of player. I barely touched casts in the first so it might be a big struggle to learn but im here for it. From what ive seen it seems way more strategic and much more mechanics like the running and the hexes. Ill take one step at a time and i should be good. Is progression sameish ? Mirror upgrades, upgrading weapons and such ?

[craggy totem]

The casts work differently in H2.

You do not have a Mirror, but rather a more freeform and customizable set of upgrades in the Arcana.

Weapon upgrading will be overall easier, due to the game offering multiple options to obtain the upgrade materials.

[proud swift]

The progression will definitely be familiar, stuff like weapon upgrades, and keepsakes are still here but the mirror has been replaced with arcana cards though they work very similarly.

Some parts can definitely be more grindy but that's because this game has double the content of the original.

[zealous remnant]

Yeah ive seen the arcana system. Is it like the first game that if you grind out the materials u can get all of the upgrades or is it choose this or that like rpgs?

[tardy juniper]

how much farther is the epilogue from credits?

[sturdy goblet]

yes

u just grind all materials and can have them fully maxed out

[craggy totem]

With regard to the Arcana specifically, you can unlock everything, but the game makes you pick which of the cards you want active in a given run.

[proud swift]

Each card has a cost to equip so you can only use a limited amount of them at a time, but all of them can be unlocked and fully upgraded like Hades 1.

[craggy totem]

It's not a binary choice like in H1 with the Mirror, that's why I said it's more freeform.

As long as you can make the math add up, you can run whatever combination of cards you want.

[sturdy goblet]

there is however a possibility to activate them all, provided that they have crystal figurine and they are bold enough to run that arcana config lmao

[zealous remnant]

Similar to the purple and yellow side of the mirror. Makes sence

[craggy totem]

Yes, just without tying down the choices in binary pairs.

[zealous remnant]

Last question from me, the first game had some stupid trophies/achievements like clearing 15 rooms without taking damage or 25 rooms quickly i think.

Is there something like that in h2?

[craggy totem]

TBH I can't really tell what you might consider stupid

Do you have a more specific way of describing it?

[ebon sigil]

Sometimes I’m glad I don’t play games considering the steam trophies.

[sturdy goblet]

there are achievements yes, and cards, and badges

[thorny adder]

There’s only one potentially “stupid” achievement and even that one is easy to get

|| kill something when transformed by hecate ||

[bitter stirrup]

Honestly stupidest achievement for me was maxing all the keepsakes lol, luckily that's not a thing in H2 so my Discordant Bell, Concave Stone, and Crystal Figurine will stay 1 star forever

[zealous remnant]

Doesnt sound to bad honestly

[zealous remnant]

That came kind of natural for me. The most annoying part was collecting all duos and legendary boons. Hard to trigger but it wasnt needed for a trophy i just wanted to 100% the game

[thorny adder]

Oh right, I forgot about the chaos trials one.

[crude dragon]

Yeah, that one's easy since environmental damage counts

[thorny adder]

That one is dumb but only because the requirements to fulfill it are really misleading

The rest are fun challenges that are very doable given some strategizing

[craggy totem]

I would argue that GCB isn't so much about strategizing as it is about a mix of "being comfortable with everything in the toolkit" and "luck"

[thorny adder]

IMO the only bad luck you can get for GCB is the antler

Even then it’s… fine?

You just steamroll room clears and play careful with the boss

[lean dove]

what about the one that requires you to get 1k gold against nemesis? i havent gotten that one on ps5 yet

or does that one stack across runs

[thorny adder]

It stacks across runs

[lean dove]

ah i didnt realize

[craggy totem]

I don't think antler is the worst luck, more like getting a really bad combination of vows and loadout and useless keepsakes

[ebon sigil]

you can kill while transformed?

[sturdy goblet]

I have one that I can't complete actually, is the frinos one, but I have to wait for another hotfix

[thorny adder]

Environmental damage counts

[lean dove]

i think i got that one by accident lmfao

[craggy totem]

Environmental damage counts, but also revenge boons and the "pre-venge" boon of High Surf

If you put down your cast ahead of time, that can kill as well

Not sure if it's possible to have your familiar do it for you, but maybe?

[sturdy goblet]

nvm I'm just blind it seems 🤣 Played the game since early access and forgot frinos is just there sitting and waiting for me to die/complete a run

[willow fog]

Hey uh, what unlocks the music player

I genuinely have no clue what gets us the incant for og

[sturdy goblet]

an incantation

[craggy totem]

I assume Cobalt is asking about the prereqs for the incant

[willow fog]

Yeah, this game is awful abt it

90% of online advice for specific items is just "unlock the incant"

[sturdy goblet]

Obtained all Decorations in the Crossroads Taverna
Triggered enough interactions with Dora
Spent at least 500 or more Template: Presige

[willow fog]

I unlocked it on my current crossroad, reloaded, then suddenly coulsnt replicate that

Yeah im following that guide

I definitely didnt get all yhe taverna decor but still unlocked it

[sturdy goblet]

yeah you don't need to buy it all

just speak to Dora I guess?

[willow fog]

I already did

Its weird because i did unlock it earlier, but opon reload i cant replicate

[verbal rampart]

Question. I was doing researches about the affinities of every character in the game and I have found some speculations about ||Icarus. Apparently to gain his trust you need to show him his own Keepsake? Are we sure about that?||

(The wikia really DOESN'T help)

[prisma monolith]

more like just play the game, literally 80% of the unlocks boil down to do a run and talk to everyone you see

[willow fog]

Its horrificnlol

[prisma monolith]

after you gift him the required things, just keep talking to him until youre able to gift him again, you dont gotta do anything extra

like i said before, play the game and talk to everyone

wheres this keepsake informaiton come from?

[verbal rampart]

I admit I'm searching for these informations because I'm trying to create a french wikia and I really don't want to spread minsifo

[prisma monolith]

"Apparently to gain his trust you need to show him his own Keepsake? Are we sure about that?"
where is this from?

[verbal rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1onduvc/why_is_unlocking_affinity_is_so_difficult_in_this/ specifically the commentary Are you bringing his keepsake on surface runs? You need to have it equipped when you talk to him on the ship. Even then it took a few times for the right dialogue to trigger for me when I did this.

[prisma monolith]

ah

reddit, classic

perhaps you shouldve used the wiki

[verbal rampart]

Yes, I know, reddit is not a reliable source but hey, I'm letting despair win over me because the wiki isn't reliable either

[sturdy goblet]

The wiki: || https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Icarus#Romance || is correct though

[prisma monolith]

the wiki is pretty reliable tho, at least is correct in this topic

[sturdy goblet]

in this instance

[verbal rampart]

I thought it actually wasn't

[willow fog]

The aphro nectar recipe is also cursed

You need to have a gold apple from the past 3 recent runs

[prisma monolith]

i have yet to find something wrong in the wiki

[willow fog]

Otherwise you dont get the recipe

Wiki is out of date

[sturdy goblet]

You guys are crafting nectar?

[verbal rampart]

Very strange, you're the first person I met who said "The wiki is reliable"

[verbal rampart]

Not me. I buy it with my secret technique : only using weapons with the Grave Thirst

[prisma monolith]

i mean the other so far is cobalt who has zero knowledge about the game, all he knows is from asking here

[bitter stirrup]

Go to any boon page and you will find something that is outdated lol

[willow fog]

I do know some things, excuse me

Most of my blindspots are progression

[prisma monolith]

well for the most part anytime ive needed anything from the wiki it was just fine

[willow fog]

H1 just has better documentation

[verbal rampart]

Well fine, I'll use the wikia then

[sturdy goblet]

Same 😂 , or you know later in game spam nectar rooms for || random pom upgrade ||

[prisma monolith]

it is your most reliable source as of now, def better than reddit, id use that, if something wrong then i suppose you could change it

[verbal rampart]

This remark is not fair ; Hades is 6 years old while Hades 2 is much younger

[prisma monolith]

people on reddit still believe to summon thanatos you need to be low hp

[willow fog]

Lmao

[prisma monolith]

and who do you think did the h1 wiki? its the same people

[verbal rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-metalgear-gif-27153381

Ah I forgot gifs don't work here

[prisma monolith]

forgive them if they havent done a better job this time, they dont get paid

[buoyant matrix]

no embeds 😔

[willow fog]

Im more surprised we dont have dataminers parsing through

[verbal rampart]

And as I said, the game is still very young. The 1.0 isn't even 1 year old

[prisma monolith]

indeed

[willow fog]

Im ngl I forgot lol

The game was in EA for quite a while

[verbal rampart]

They definitely are but their main focus for now is creating mods

[willow fog]

Official launch was like less than a year back

[prisma monolith]

anyway, yes, i do recommend the wiki, it might not be 100% correct, but as good as it gets, def better than "just trust me bro, it happened to me" on reddit

[sturdy goblet]

what is there to datamine? you can just uhm open the game files 😭

[verbal rampart]

Going on Reddit was my mistake indeed

[willow fog]

Wikia, not fextrs

Fextra still has EA info

[verbal rampart]

I did try that and I didn't found how to do it...but this is probably a skill issue from me

[prisma monolith]

for your original question, icarus, i believe you need the ending achieved, then keep tlaking to him

[verbal rampart]

Well then I'll just do that because I'm trying to max the bond with Aphrodite and it's impossible as long as you didn't get all the romance propositions

[prisma monolith]

and please, if you find something wrong in the wiki, either mention it here, or fix it if you can

its a community effort

[verbal rampart]

I promise I will

[verbal rampart]

Actually I even record my current file to find the potential errors

[willow fog]

Just to be clear like, I have respect for the community making info for all the data we have on hand

Some of the incant unlock parsing is just a pain

[sturdy goblet]

I mean some things are not that easy to find out, I've been trying to fix a bug myself on the newer version but I just can't see where that line is

😳

[verbal rampart]

I mean, I don't even know how to properly open the files, the only time I've ever datamined was on a game using some .json files...

[sturdy goblet]

you need a text editor or an ide in some cases

for most of it if you want to play with how hard prometheus hits 😳 for example, notepad++ shall suffice, however for more complex stuff like logic and code validation i have no idea what IDE to recommend to you

[verbal rampart]

It's not for changing the code it's more about finding informations directly in-game

Like, "What is required to unlock Heph affinity" (because the wikia isn't very detailed about it)

[sturdy goblet]

ah well they are already available 😭 so yeah break stuff until you find what you wish is my advice

[verbal rampart]

I'll do my best!

[willow fog]

Incant unlock flags would be so useful im ngl

[sturdy goblet]

the seed of software engineering has been planted, I stand proud of myself

😂

[ebon sigil]

aw the fate prophecies are fun to shoot for. Gathering every duo and legendary is a perfectly fair completion goal

[zealous remnant]

One that took forever because i didnt look up the requirements 😅

[ebon sigil]

I'm here to play videogames, not to read!!

[sturdy goblet]

[desert verge]

can someone help me understand how does Night arcana work? or better that mechanic. If i use omega special on axe and then charge full omega attack on axe - any damage of it can crit?

[hushed cloak]

It has to be in an omega combo, so you have to have used a different omega move before your omega special. If the crits are activating, you should see a skull next to the magick charging icon

[desert verge]

so it is what a said, right?

[hushed cloak]

Oh, yeah

I'm good at reading

[desert verge]

#h2-discussion message

[crude dragon]

Yep

[desert verge]

is there are time limit

between omega uses

[crude dragon]

Stuff like Seething Marauder or Explosive Intent won't, but each tick of the spin will

[desert verge]

or anything

[crude dragon]

Surprisingly, no

[desert verge]

do i have to deal damage with 1st omega use?

[crude dragon]

Don't think so

[desert verge]

so if skull appears it means arcana will work and crit chance is higher?

[willow fog]

Im ngl black coat is growing on me

Ridiculous number of potential damage riders

[craggy totem]

Yes :)

[willow fog]

Zeus attack and poseidon missile is a funny combo

Everything is schmooving while being tazed

[short raft]

Question: Evade Evade Evade and Hasty retreat? does it reduce the dodge of HR after enough dodge is lost?

[honest venture]

Hello. I joined only to say that the Aspect of Moros absolutely slaps with Hera. Goodbye.

[merry whale]

they add up dodge chance, but any successful dodge activations (and though unnoted, daze also counts) reduces evade evade evade amount

so basically whenever a dodge occurs or miss occurs regardless of the source it'll count in reducing evade stacks

hasty retreat is unchanged

evade only adjusts itself

[short raft]

Aye, thank you!

[merry whale]

np 👍

steam deck came back from repair today, might do some hotfix 2 runs for a bit

[prisma monolith]

aw man, so hermes doesnt bring me the merchandise if its the last region? now this feels half baked, throwback to early access

[craggy totem]

? No, he does

If you still have Hermes deliveries in the queue, he'll drop them off for you in the final endshop

[prisma monolith]

not in dream dives

[craggy totem]

Oh huh

[arctic copper]

It’s very good if you have Hera on your special specifically

Very fun build

Moros in of it’s self is kinda just nuts tho

[prisma monolith]

yeah i felt robbed

[cold shuttle]

ehm discord serverside problems i had red ! on this servericon

[prisma monolith]

its discord taking a poop

[cold shuttle]

cant see any member on the right side

[prisma monolith]

yeah give them a second, they going thru it

[cold shuttle]

kk

[arctic copper]

Damn discord died

[dusk dove]

its probably gonna crash again, couple servers did

[jolly hound]

chronos is sending us back to 1990 where WiFi was nonexistent

[jade niche]

oh, it's back

[dusk dove]

ok its returning to normalcy (editing is very slow rn)

[proud swift]

Typhon was attacking discord servers again, you can all thank me for stopping him. 😎

[jolly hound]

My cat got so mad yesterday when I did a run with Toula

[candid nimbus]

I think my cats look weird at me when they hear Toula 🐈

[desert verge]

wow i finally beat rival Eris and only cus she kinda bugged and stuck in one place

[desert verge]

ah so it is discord problem, i thought worse

what is this weird pigheaded shrak corpse?

[ebon sigil]

it's just a weird big pigheaded shark

[prisma monolith]

thank you

[raven snow]

What are the rewards for ||dream runs|| for?

[craggy totem]

Just cosmetic stuff.

Pet outfits, Crossroads decorations, that kind of thing.

Basically they made sure it's a purely optional mode.

[pearl dune]

Have I just never noticed that Olympus activates poseidons dash when running into breakable terrain (despite not having the boon) or is this a bug lol

[maiden salmon]

Is there a point to adding Fear to Dream Dive runs?

[ebon sigil]

the F in fear is for Fun

[jolly hound]

your ego

you wont get different rewards or anything

[royal cradle]

Yeah the whole point of Fear is to adjust the difficulty so you get enough challenge to have fun.

[ebon sigil]

the fun thing about rival vow in dreams is you can get typhon or chronos as your first act... if you think that's fun 😄

I've had dream dives end early because of that level of fun

[jolly hound]

i'll reset if my first boon sucks, but it sure is satisfying to win that fight first frame if it doesnt lol

tartarus, howling soul, a hex...nope

but if i get like, gigaros and blitz, then f it we ball

[jolly wing]

I finally got the nectar incantation on Night 22!

I only have 1 Golden Apple and 1 Stardust, so I’ll need to farm them also.

[desert verge]

imo it is easier to farm nectar through regular runs

[ebon sigil]

Wait till you hear you should all star dust for pet food first and you’ll regret if you don’t have enough to finish out the pets because you spent it on nectar that’s relatively easy to get.

[livid halo]

Between weapon levels, card levels, and pet levels, what gives the most power? I have most aspects unlocked but only 1 rank V, all pets unlocked but none leveled, and all cards unlocked but only like 1/5 leveled

[raven snow]

pets are bottom priority. depends on the weapon/card from there though

Id probably focus cards since they apply to every weapon.

[livid halo]

So level up the cards I’m using the most and then go to weapons? Makes sense, still need 1 more grasp to finish but it makes sense

[crude dragon]

Generally, the Arcana is the means by which all is revealed

[livid halo]

Yeah fair, I’ve got a bit to go there, need so much moon stuff

[reef sail]

It’s pretty easy to slow roll moon dust via Charon orders

If you don’t want to blow a bunch of bones

[crude dragon]

My Charon orders are all going to Psyche until I hit 30 Grasp

[reef sail]

Ya

[arctic copper]

How often does ||zagreus|| spawn?

Is there a known spawn rate

[crude dragon]

First of all, spoiler mark that

Second of all, it's a 40% chance

[arctic copper]

You’d think the discussion channel would be spoiler free since there’s a (new players) channel

But alright

[arctic copper]

Can he ||appear on the surface as well or only the underworld||?

[crude dragon]

Nope, post-credits stuff must be spoiler marked

And it's on both routes

[arctic copper]

Damn I guess I’ve just been getting super unlucky

[crude dragon]

TBF, it's the same spawn rules as the Charon fight, so you need to get a midshop and then roll the fight

It'll at least be marked if you get the fight, though

[arctic copper]

Yeah I’ve noticed that

But I guess Charon fight was relatively uncommon as well

[craggy totem]

It's in the channel description

It'll at least be marked if you get the fight, though
This and the more recent "marked if boss shop" in Patch 2 were handy QOLs

[stamp of approval]

[arctic copper]

I didnt the read channel description, by proxy of a new player channel existing I assumed this was the spoilers channel

[arctic copper]

Good change

[thorny adder]

is there supposed to be a chid to the left of icarus?

there's an empty gap there and it's bothering me to no end

i'm looking at photos from an older update, and a.) there's no gap there, and b.) selene fills that gap but is now on the other side of icarus

[tranquil wren]

there is a new chid from the latest patch

(it's ||hypnos||)

you have to ||wake hypnos up and complete the dream dives||