h2-discussion

[torn wind]

It's fine if you have enough magick

Since 300 magick gets you 12 p-arrays

Which is usually more than enough for what you need when not doing DPS

[ebon sigil]

I find I do a lot of wasted arrays too.

[torn wind]

Yeah I've been screwed by flood gain before

Had a 25 second chronos that could've been like 22

But I made some other mistakes besides the gain running out on phase 2

[frosty veldt]

Not me failing a chaos trial after I just said they were easy

Didn’t realize I started with 30 hp and no revives

[torn wind]

Ah yes the thessaly one that drops you in with white antler

[frosty veldt]

And it’s a weapon aspect I don’t like

[broken creek]

Just spam dash attack -> special you stay super mobile and the damage output stays strong

Especially with wantler

[frosty veldt]

Nah, it was Supay on mourning fields

[broken creek]

Oh supay is weird thank god ive never touched the damned thing

[torn wind]

Ah that one

[frosty veldt]

Yeah, I’m not a fan

[torn wind]

You can take any keepsake you want on that one

So you can take skelly tooth or moros pin

[frosty veldt]

Ohhhh, I took jeweled pom and got wrecked lol

[steep saffron]

hey guys, I'm having trouble with the born again prophecy as in chaos just WONT GIVE IT WHEN IM HOLDING THE POM

or the egg*

[idle pike]

If I get armor from Arachne does the passivv buff stays even the armor is destroyed?

[steep saffron]

it does not no

[idle pike]

K ty

Other question. The Poseidon Gift that increases my loot of resources (about 35%) says except rare resources? What does that mean?

[buoyant matrix]

boss drops

[steep saffron]

it means that money, bones and ashes are more

but stuff from tools and boss drops are not affected

[buoyant matrix]

try giving more nectar and doing more chaos trials

[steep saffron]

I've forged a bond and done about 20 chaos trials

[idle pike]

Ah I thought it’s about tool drops

[buoyant matrix]

is your egg max level?

[steep saffron]

yep

i'v even done the EPILOGUE

[buoyant matrix]

uhhh sorry idk then
you can do the prophecy prematurely so when you do finally get it, it instantly gets marked as done

[frosty veldt]

Did you do a full run with the keepsake? You can’t look at others between regions, even if you don’t switch it. It didn’t work for me when I did that, then I had to see chaos again on a run and it popped

[steep saffron]

I've done multiple, it's not that the prophecy is hard, its that he hasn't even GIVEN me the task so its not on the fated list

im just going to force him to spawn by restarting runs and see if I can get his dialogue

[frosty veldt]

Hmm, okay. I got the prophecy complete before I even saw it on the list

[steep saffron]

yeah I need it for the trophy pop

[frosty veldt]

They have to comment on the keepsake while you have it on

So just keep doing runs with it on

And go to every gate you see

[steep saffron]

they only speak once per run even if you go to multiple gates, so im gonna keep fate altering my runs and restarting till I can get a chaos gate to spawn

[frosty veldt]

You should get one really quick if you have the keepsake on

[steep saffron]

nope

ive had the keepsake on for all 3 regions without chaos ever showing up once before

actually thats happened a lot before

[frosty veldt]

Mine has been guaranteed every run I used it, weird rng

[steep saffron]

chaos hates me frfr

[frosty veldt]

How many trophies you got left?

[steep saffron]

3 before plat

[frosty veldt]

Nice, I need 9

[steep saffron]

i found them and they didnt comment on the keepsake

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[frosty veldt]

Wipe and try again

[steep saffron]

I have this and the one to clear every aspect which I can just do as soon as I get the prophecy

and then its just a great chaos below trial and im free

[frosty veldt]

I’m close on a few, should get like 3 trophies in a run or two

[steep saffron]

which ones you have left?

[frosty veldt]

You can check here, if the link works

https://psnprofiles.com/NomadDragon

[steep saffron]

HOLY PLATINUM TROPHIES

And I called myself a trophy hunter 🤣🤣

[lean bronze]

oh gawd
R typhon and chronos back to back

[frosty veldt]

That sounds awful

[torn wind]

We love getting basically no rewards for 2 full regions

[steep saffron]

for dream dive?

[frosty veldt]

Eh, as long as you enjoy it

[lean bronze]

it unfortunately is

[crimson badger]

Is it just me or the game freezes a bit before displaying the victory screen? It didn't used to happen before the recent update

[lean bronze]

beautiful

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah it's been happening for me too

[frosty veldt]

Just did that one first try… Eris is so easy to dodge imo

[torn wind]

Normal Eris is like bottom 3 easiest bosses

[frosty veldt]

Her moves are so predictable

[torn wind]

And rivals for that matter

[frosty veldt]

When did you unlock the prophecy for improbable outcomes? I’ve done two chaos below back to back, but I don’t have the prophecy yet @steep saffron

[steep saffron]

As soon as i got the trials so im not sure

[frosty veldt]

Weird

[steep saffron]

it was just there

wow i love these BROKEN PROPHECIES

pls i just want the platinum

[frosty veldt]

I’ve been doing all trials thinking that will unlock it lol

[nova oar]

None of them are broken

[steep saffron]

yeah except the part where they dont appear

[nova oar]

What are you trying to do?

[steep saffron]

chaos wont offer his propheyc for the egg, even though im at the very end of the game, maxed out his bond, maxed out egg, and ive spoken to him about 7 times without him saying anything about the egg

oh and I have completed the game with the egg only MULTIPLE times

[nova oar]

Just gotta keep talking to him

[steep saffron]

yeah except now its just that pointless dialogue

like for the last idk how many times

[nova oar]

Probably because you have done so much that other dialogue has been queued up

Have you modded your savefile in any way?

[steep saffron]

nope im on ps5 so cant

[nova oar]

Just keep talking to him then

[lean bronze]

wait what
I only have rivals 3 vow
Why am i facing r typhon and chronos

so if you switch between the two once before heading into a run it glitches to be the one you didnt select

[frosty veldt]

I had to level up chaos again, one step from max. Trophy just popped in the middle of another chaos trial lol

Getting white antler on a greater chaos trial run is cursed.

[steep saffron]

IT UNCLOKED

FINALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[frosty veldt]

Complaining online and popping after is a good strat, works a lot of the time.

[steep saffron]

only took an hour

[red fox]

Best strat ever

[frosty veldt]

Just got my fastest time and it was on a chaos below trial.

[spark stag]

my first great chaos run, no defiance arcana, stacked about 280+(70~100) health including with dio's worry free and also got frinos familiar, the summit keepsake? antler.
like BUDDY, friend, chaos, if I have the skill to antler summit with 30 health without defiance nor lovers I would NOT have stacked 300+ health. RNG can be so cruel sometimes

[frosty veldt]

That’s brutal, luckily mine wasn’t on the final region. I can’t imagine that happening

[nova oar]

I've always wanted antler in a gc trial but it never happened

Fate is cruel like that i suppose

[frosty veldt]

It gives it to those who don’t want it lol

[sly kernel]

damn i thought no one ever played scarlet nexus

[balmy jacinth]

yo i just saw ||hades in tartarus|| chronos actually is gonna get b2a now

[shadow grotto]

Why does Chaos look absolutely stupendous in this game holy meatballs

[short jay]

Time to try to get my first ever win with the black coat

Don't think I got a win with it so far

[lean bronze]

scorch atk
Hitch special
Spam

[short jay]

... Oh wow that's actually a good idea

[worldly mantle]

they wanted to decide what my new gender would be

[short jay]

Just need the auto special

[worldly mantle]

yes good choice this is good

[worldly mantle]

launcher frame is great, as is exhaust riser

in general coat has a bunch of great hammers

reaper frame is the #3 pick

[short jay]

Wait no i think I already did get a win against chronos... But again chronos is ready

I want to beat typhon with it

[worldly mantle]

good luck!

[short jay]

Gonna have to stop this skull run tho

[worldly mantle]

just win the skull run ez

[short jay]

I know but I didn't get the best boons for it

And it's still early I'm in the first zone, I'll talk to madea then die to the boss

Hopefully she talks about hypnos

[short jay]

Quick question, did they get another artist to draw the characters in the hotspring? They look very different then their usual art

[nova oar]

That's the point

[worldly mantle]

i think theyre still jen zee, most certainly directed by her

but the style is supposed to be a bit looser

more relaxed

fits the vibe

[short jay]

They look more detailed and beautiful

[worldly mantle]

in some aspects

theyre closer shots so they have more detail that way

they have a looser linework style

[short jay]

Still beautiful, I only seen 4 so far, mel, hecate, hercales and Dora

[worldly mantle]

and not as high density of value/hue differentials

[worldly mantle]

for sure

[short jay]

Who else can I invite? Eris? Odyesses?

[worldly mantle]

yup

[short jay]

I don't think I can invite charon sadly

[worldly mantle]

that would be fun

[short jay]

What would be more fun is to invite charon and hermes

[nova oar]

This person arts

[short jay]

Definitely

[tulip herald]

Do I have to get the ending before I unlock vow 4?

[nova oar]

Yes

[short jay]

I have yet to unlock vow 2

[worldly mantle]

tis my profession yeah

[short jay]

It's not a bug that sea star can make a copy of a boon right?

[nova oar]

Sea star can't copy boons, only travel deal can

[short jay]

Ah- I forgot about that

Tho I do love sea star

[worldly mantle]

only menu rewards sea star can do are path of stars and pom

[prisma monolith]

HAHAHA YESS

[hallow vault]

How fists with High Attack Speed feel Like

https://tenor.com/view/star-platinum-gif-18007371

[limber root]

Okay so where can I talk about the new mode, because I have a screenshot I have to share

[prisma monolith]

Here

[hallow vault]

Supergiant is my Favorite Studio

[limber root]

Okay so I was doing a Dream Dive, entering Tartarus I got:

• Hades Backdrop
• Chronos Voice line (Look at the yellow text)
• Again inn a Dream Dive where Hypos was supposed to appear.

I really must be dreaming
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1310686647582461985/1496473916695117896/20260422125050_1.jpg?ex=69ea0370&is=69e8b1f0&hm=13c4b2ade35ae217a2e266c90c409947423df8828ff8f2ff19dcb77d14f1f61d&

[prisma monolith]

Yeah, thats a dream alright

A fever dream even

[elfin heron]

this sounds like a bug, better report it in #h2-tech-support

[prisma monolith]

Bug reports go in f2

Is it f2 or f10

[elfin heron]

F10 in-game, or you could use the #h2-tech-support channel, either is fine with devs

[prisma monolith]

Afaik they specifically had said to report bugs via f10

[elfin heron]

there is a channel full of bug reports, I don't know what you're getting at

[prisma monolith]

The channel you posted is for tech support, which for people who have problem with the game so they can help

What is mentioned above wont really be fixed in that channel

[elfin heron]

people are also reporting bugs there with screenshots

[prisma monolith]

Here right from a dev in a faq:

Note: How to Report Bugs While Playing
If you encounter a bug while playing, please consider pressing F10 to report it to us. (Note this is available on Windows only. If the Bug Report window doesn't appear right away, you may need to press Alt+Tab to locate it.) Bug reports help us quickly track and solve issues with the game, to improve the experience for more players.

But sure if you wanna post it there im sure it doesnt hurt either

[elfin heron]

they said either is fine, if you didn't catch it with F10, you can just report it on Discord
how about you don't backseat moderate

[prisma monolith]

Backseat moderate? Wild, sure bro go on

[elfin heron]

anyway, I just reported it

[solar pollen]

they were helping you on what to do and where to find something. idk how’s that backseat moderation but you do you

[willow fog]

Scylla folded me in half

[elfin heron]

I know about the F10 thing, in fact I told them that it's F10 not F2, but the tech support channel is also fine, a Supergiant employee is reading it every day

[solar pollen]

scylla is something else xD she gets easier tho the stronger you get

[willow fog]

Whats fated intervention actually do

Yeah, my build was a little unlucky on boons

I had like no power

Tbh even hecate was a slog

[solar pollen]

it basically gives u a list of things to do and gives rewards once completed. it’s needed for the story as well so i would do that when u can

[willow fog]

Its retroactive like hades 1 right

[solar pollen]

like the list from hades 1 yes :3

[elfin heron]

it is literally the same list from Hades 1 (lore wise, the prophecies are Mel specific)

[willow fog]

Question, how do I use the torches

I think im botching it

[nova oar]

Ospecial, then hold attack

[willow fog]

O special is the spinny?

[prisma monolith]

Yes

[willow fog]

Its like a mid-rangd wep rivht

[prisma monolith]

When you o special meaning omega special

[willow fog]

I become a turret on a beyblade?

[prisma monolith]

Close to mid

[willow fog]

Ahh got it

Im tryna find some mana regen

Is sudden burst good?

[prisma monolith]

That reminds me, are mana boon included in the (at least 1 core boon per selection) iirc calls in h1 werent

[willow fog]

Mana wasnt a thing in H1

[prisma monolith]

I said calls

[bitter stirrup]

Calls were in the left side 5 core boons yeah, don't know how the system worked in terms of choices though

[prisma monolith]

Yeah but they weren't part of the priority system

Even tho they showed as a core boon

[ebon sigil]

Hexs are sort of like the calls. But gains are new and a new core boon

[prisma monolith]

Thats not the question

[ebon sigil]

What do you mean they weren’t core boons? I’m pretty sure you could get a call before anything

[willow fog]

Calls were more like the moon thingy

[prisma monolith]

Ok, say I have all core boons equipped except mana, is the next boon guaranteed to show a mana boon?

Is it considered priority like the rest, is my question

[ebon sigil]

Not necessarily I don’t think. I think I’ve seen 3 non core boons even when I had more cores to fill

[prisma monolith]

that cant happen

youre guaranteed a core boon (not sure about mana) in one of the 3 choices if you have an empty slot

thats what im asking about mana, if its considered part of it

thats why the guides recommend you to fill your core slots when fishing for specific boons, cause core slots are guaranteed to show up therefore taking a choice from you

[bitter stirrup]

Can happen with rerolls or with denial

[prisma monolith]

ok

rerolls aside, im talking about the vanilla boon

[nova oar]

They are

[prisma monolith]

ty

calls werent right? or am i also trippin

[nova oar]

They were

[prisma monolith]

really

[nova oar]

Mhm

[prisma monolith]

okay

[elfin heron]

core boons are prioritized but not guaranteed, I think the game stops offering them after a while if you don't want them (e.g. I don't take strike boons on Supay)

[prisma monolith]

interesting

[nova oar]

Nope, they're always offered

[prisma monolith]

afaik thats how it works, but if he says so

[elfin heron]

maybe region 1 only? I'll test this next time I play Supay or Charon

[nova oar]

Not a 100% chance mind you, but they never go away

[prisma monolith]

i thought it was 100%

[elfin heron]

pretty sure it's not

otherwise I would be seeing strike boons for my entire Supay/Charon run, but that's not the case

they show up sometimes, but it's RNG like everything else

[bitter stirrup]

Do you run Denial

[elfin heron]

no

[bitter stirrup]

Also do you always have the other 4 core slots filled

[prisma monolith]

why no strike on supay tho

[elfin heron]

I run meme dash builds lol, like hestia special and rush + glamour gain

[prisma monolith]

wouldnt grabbing a strike remove the core boon and also just simply increase dmg? like the weapon attacks regardless

slam a heph attack here and there

[elfin heron]

I mean, I'll take it if there's nothing else useful, but that's like taking an attack boon on Charon, just a nice to have

[prisma monolith]

well charon never attacks really, whereas supay does, automatically

but i see it

[willow fog]

Bruh those fish jumped me

Scylla fight

I almost had her but I got jumped by seaworld

[elfin heron]

use casts

[willow fog]

Got it, thanks

I might have panicked

Is the torch a bad wep for zeus buff, it seems slow

[elfin heron]

you're supposed to cast constantly in this game because many enemies like those stabby fishes are far faster than Mel, the binding circles will stop them

as for Scylla's final phase, you just cast at yourself and no fishes can get to you

[willow fog]

Oh, thank you

This game rly does just throw you in the deep end

Hades 1 had just a generous a tutorial (nonexistent) but it had less to keep tabs on

[halcyon rain]

ABC always be casting

[elfin heron]

just cast a lot all the time, it's free and instant, even with no boon it will stop enemies from advancing and you deal +30% damage to enemies inside casts (Furies arcana)

[willow fog]

I still havent been able to unlock more cards

[hushed cloak]

Torches are really good with Zeus btw, at least Mel torches

Arc blitz means you get to pop blitz really easily

[willow fog]

Im feeling a bit slow using them tbh

Yeah, i had that built and almost had scylla

[halcyon rain]

zeus is good in pretty much every aspect in the game

[willow fog]

Torches feel so strange to use

[halcyon rain]

what aspect are you using? mel?

[willow fog]

Default rn

Tbh ive only got the staff and torch and neither are rly vibing with me

[halcyon rain]

the weapons on this game might need some getting used to, but trust me they are really good

[willow fog]

Im missing my bow lol

Also the grenade launcher

[elfin heron]

torches are the easiest to play, just hold attack, and omega special once in a while, it can't be any more basic, other weapons have much more complex movesets

[halcyon rain]

the thing about torches that might be a bit weird initially is that you need to somewhat understand how to manage mana a little bit to use them and when you're starting this might feel like too much

but like wild bunny said, once you realize "oh i just get a good regen boon, do omega special and hold attack its ggs" you notice they are super strong

[willow fog]

Its not the mana thats the issue, im stepping off button to cancel some casts

Its more the rate of fire just feels barely too slow

Also lol I got nearly to off scylla without finding a single regen boon

[halcyon rain]

make sure to upgrade/equip sorceress arcana

[willow fog]

Half the fight I was basically smacking her with the torch

[halcyon rain]

i'm assuming you're very early trust me it gets a lot better when you upgrade some of the arcanas

[willow fog]

I havent even gotten arcana upgrades unlocked

[elfin heron]

you need some kind of magic gain boon early on when playing torches, it's a magic heavy weapon

[willow fog]

Tho I can afford the axe now

[halcyon rain]

i get the feeling of missing h1 weapons but you might be remembering them from when they were already upgraded and you had mirror upgrades too

[willow fog]

Its also like the visual clutter felt more manageable for some reason

Question, does the dodge into dash give iframes during dash

[halcyon rain]

dash has i-frames, sprinting does not

[ebon sigil]

Late game full arcana with leveled up keepsakes and aspects feels very different from a fresh file. I started a fresh file last night with my daughter, and in trying to show her how it’s done, took way more damage than I thought because I was used to doing more damage.

[willow fog]

So while your feet are on fire its iframes?

[hushed cloak]

Yep

[willow fog]

Is the centaur worth unlocking

[halcyon rain]

Yes

[willow fog]

I didnt understand this tbh

[ebon sigil]

Ofc

[willow fog]

I wish the game told us lmao, this makes way more sense

[halcyon rain]

Sprinting is just to reposition, mel wants to play more strategically since she doesn't have multi dashes

[willow fog]

What is awakening

[hushed cloak]

Torches also don't have a dash attack so dashing is basically always a safe option when you're about to get hit

[willow fog]

Oh I see what it is, its basically free

Im ngl i forgot dash attacks were base kit

[hushed cloak]

😭

[ebon sigil]

Skelly tells you the kit. That’s your tutorial tbh

[hushed cloak]

Schelemus*

Gotta respect the commander smh

[willow fog]

I dont think dash attacks are required for the schelemustorial

[halcyon rain]

you played hades1 so you'll probably understand how good the "origination" card is when you unlock it

[ebon sigil]

It’s there. You just need to read

[willow fog]

I found it yeah, no ash tho

I found the axe tho and I'm back to normal

[ebon sigil]

Miss family favorite, but I am coming to like origination.

[willow fog]

Whats the axe special meant to do

I think it does 100 damage? But not seeing anything special

[halcyon rain]

apply a curse and just be a quicker form of doing damage

[willow fog]

Thats strange but I can vibe with it

[halcyon rain]

it can also cancel the attack sequence

[willow fog]

I'd have assumed it staggered better

[halcyon rain]

the last axe hit is very slow, you can do attack attack special and avoid the last

[elfin heron]

the default axe is very slow, so now's a good time to practice your dash strikes

[willow fog]

Ok, I see the vision

[halcyon rain]

our just dash strike> special which is even better

[willow fog]

The cancel goes hard

[hushed cloak]

It's also your range-ish option with omega special

[halcyon rain]

yeah

[willow fog]

Is the charged normal just the hades 1 spear spin x20

[halcyon rain]

any dinosaurs in chat who remember when axe special used to block

[nova oar]

Here

[willow fog]

That sounds much cooler

[hushed cloak]

Yes but much more useful

Especially with hammers

[willow fog]

Do they have high stagger

[hushed cloak]

Stagger as in stunning the enemy when hit, yeah

Would kinda suck if you made yourself like 50% slower while also not being able to do so

[willow fog]

The H1 spear had that issue

[willow fog]

Im definitely vibing more with the axe rn

[fathom lake]

Axe is so cool

[willow fog]

Axe is like classic h1 for me

[slim pike]

Mel axe is kinda the game's aspect of Arthur

[fathom lake]

true

[willow fog]

Next game the equivalents gonna be a hammer

[hushed cloak]

Wait till you pick up the last nocturnal arm

Way faster paced

[willow fog]

Im getting worse lol

[fathom lake]

Axe goes well with % multipliers and Apollo legendary

Dont forget about magick rergen its important
Dodge

[willow fog]

Yeah, thanks, its not a knowledge check im just playing dumber rn

Tho the insight helps, ty

Question, how good is messenger card?

[fathom lake]

Idk i dont use it a lot but i know its decent the imperwvious is really small though

[spare wind]

Wait no way lol I was doing the improbable outcomes prophecy cleared the first chaos below trial then in the second which was the deciding one i got aspect of the circe
Which is my most favourite aspect and with which I have best runs with including raki
Damn luck

[halcyon rain]

it's okay but shouldn't be a priority

[willow fog]

I was told the iframes are short

When can we upgrade cards?

[nova oar]

Soon

[blissful fog]

hm i might attempt a black coat ares boon run today

[buoyant matrix]

very good

I've dropped swift runner full time to always take it

[spare wind]

Let's go improbable outcomes prophecy done first trial

[willow fog]

Thus far I've managed scylla

Turns out the play was to not panic and jump the crap out of the drummer

[fathom lake]

Yeah Im still guilty of that

[spare wind]

Drummer is the one you gotta kill to avoid the bombs it's just better do so yeah

[willow fog]

I got halfway past cerberus on first attempt

Ngl he seems way simpler than the musician gank, minus some off-screen bs

[turbid bloom]

I’ve been thinking, why is there not an Aspect or upgrade for The Black Coat that allows you to block indefinitely but without a blast attack?

[elfin heron]

because the shield was broken strong in Hades 1

[halcyon rain]

they clearly didn't want block to be as strong

also there is so many unblockable attacks in this game

[turbid bloom]

Didn’t think about that

[willow fog]

How do yall get consecration of ashds unlocked

[willow fog]

They did toy with it tbf, apparently axe heavy used to block

[shut needle]

Give it time, Hecate will give it to you, talk to her
As for the axe it's block was very unreliable it was active so short damage constantly slipped through

[spare wind]

Yeah he's a simple boss

I remember when I played the game for the first time I died to scylla and her siren like 13 times lmao

Now I consider scylla as one of the easiest bosses

[jolly hound]

what about rivals Scylla tho

[spare wind]

I find that easy too

Out of all the rivals scylla and polyphemus i find easiest

And yeah cerberus isn't too bad either

[jolly hound]

Are you running frenzy

[spare wind]

Ye

[jolly hound]

Scylla gets way spicier as fear increases but prob not noticeable til 45

[keen rivet]

does anyone know how i can fix my hades 2 it won't open and i've tried alot to fix it

[spare wind]

Its just || drummer - guitarist - charbydis tails - scylla - drummer - guitarist - charbydis tails - scylla||
Scylla rival spoiler

[split shuttle]

ask h2 tech support channel

[spare wind]

That could very very well be the case ngl

As max fear I have ran is infact 45

Max damage oath would be crazy on charbydis bombs lol

[jolly hound]

I also think it gets easier because you know the songs and it turns into a rhythm game

Tentacles TENTACLES

[spare wind]

I haven't paid attention to that lol
Like i listen to her songs they are extremely fun but haven't seen them as a strategy

I just try and get that much dps that I can tank some damage even if i close in if I know I can deal that much too

But that'll not be the case on higher fears 45+

[jolly hound]

oh it’s just a vibe. The music strategy I utilize is for the chronos fight, if I don’t hear the fanfare at the beginning round twice, I have the dps to phase him before ring of death pops

[spare wind]

There's a music strategy for the chronos fight?

[elfin heron]

you have mods/cheats installed, delete the game's folder, uninstalling won't work, you have to delete the actual folder

[jolly hound]

It’s my tism, but it is reliable for me; like right after he finishes talking shyt there’s that fanfare that plays. It plays again 30 seconds later. So if I don’t hear it twice, I then try to phase him before ring of death pops in phase 2 and I’ll usually get it

[spare wind]

Oh interesting

Out of context but man ||typhon rival was crazy||

Just when i thought it was finished id say it again ||chronos became a crybaby and turned mel into a baby ||

Typhon rival spoilers

[willow fog]

What the hell is his map wide fallout nuke

[spare wind]

Yeah I think it's the largest perspective the game gives when fighting something
It's huge

[willow fog]

I mean the big ass boom

Idk what happened, he was at half hp, geometry came up, then I took 99 damage

[willow fog]

Its a pita with the fireballs im ngl

[elfin heron]

who, Cerberus?

[willow fog]

Yeah, idk what I should have done

I got tagged by the halo killbox

[elfin heron]

he has an utlimate attack where the whole arena turns red except for the small circle around him, guess what you're supposed to do

[willow fog]

The cam was so far back I couldnt even see him

Thanks tho

Cerberus is surprisingly fragile tbh

[elfin heron]

you're gonna love the next boss

[willow fog]

Like hes beefy hp wise, but he has very few shield gated hp thresholds

I like this game but im not a fan of how many shield gated segments there are for some bosses

[halcyon rain]

if you mean the attack where a bunch of red circles start appearing on the ground in a large area they explode in sequence not all at once, so the first circle that shows up will be the first one to be safe

but in general just stay behind cerb he does nothing

[willow fog]

No, he already pointed it out the big boom that ulted my ass

That one I can deal with thanks to the practice from the drummer I smacked into a coma

[halcyon rain]

wdym

[willow fog]

Some bosses have strict thresholds where they dont take damage for a bit

[halcyon rain]

ah

[willow fog]

Cerberus doesnt seem to have so many relative to them, so while hes got more hp he's got more time to properly burst down

[halcyon rain]

yeah, both games do this in all bosses

[willow fog]

Cerberus only seems to have like 1 or 2 of those

[elfin heron]

Cerb burrows down and spawns adds at half health, that's the only invulnerability he gets

[halcyon rain]

just one, 50% hp he goes underground and spawns some enemies before coming back

[willow fog]

Yeah, which i prefer

[halcyon rain]

hec has two, sirens... well sirens are weird

[willow fog]

I think hecate gets like 2?

[halcyon rain]

final boss has more

[willow fog]

The sirens are silly about it

But its funny to knock out bandmates so I let it slide

[keen rivet]

I don't? i beat the first boss then day after it doesn't work?

[willow fog]

Question, what does unlock the arcana card upgrading?

No one online seems to know for sure

[spare wind]

All am missing now is
Silk and spitefulness
Unfinished bussiness
Bearing dark gifts
Great chaos below

Achivemtns

[elfin heron]

this was my guess as mods are broken on the last patch, but if I'm wrong, then you can post specifics in #h2-tech-support

[halcyon rain]

i think the requirements on the wiki are right

[spare wind]

Making progress on both silk and spitefulness and unfinished bussiness

Great chaos below will be easy max 2-3 tries
And Bearing dark gifts is the longest

[halcyon rain]

defeat hecate 5 times, have 20 grasp, unlock at least 10 cards, and have the wretched broker unlocked (not sure about this one but probably)

[spare wind]

Just tedious nothing crazy

Missing||12 winner runs with different aspects for bearing dark gifts||

[willow fog]

Oh, 20 grasp, got it

[keen rivet]

i'm gonna try moving it to my internal ssd first

i have an external one because its small for gaming

[desert verge]

lol, got two chaos boons in +250% total gold and Nemesis gave me 1050 for basic boon

too bad i will probably will die earlier before i will be able to spent them

[willow fog]

You robbed the bully in her locker room

[desert verge]

well at least i can buy EVERYTHING in Charon shops and wells

[keen rivet]

this worked

[desert verge]

ok, real question

why cant i gift nectar to Cerberus?

[bronze otter]

||chronos|| is about to slime me out

[desert verge]

i could give it even to Nyx. Even without any gift from her

[bronze otter]

But also the other way around

[desert verge]

why hide it though?

[bronze otter]

They said to blur stuff after Hecate

And he might not kill me he’s on his second life

[cerulean ermine]

Hi guys!

[desert verge]

i mean first words Mel says in game is death to Chronos

[desert verge]

sup

[cerulean ermine]

I havent played hades II yet.... would yall say its harder than the first one??

[desert verge]

in some moments, yes

[cerulean ermine]

do the controls feel different??

[desert verge]

but i wouldnt say it is unbeateble

[cerulean ermine]

XD sorry

[cerulean ermine]

I would hope not lol

Im on a high heat lv in Hades so im moving on bc ya

[proud swift]

Hades 2 is less focused on dashing so it does feel different.

[desert verge]

for me - yes, i still cant start use sigil in any of my runs, but i'm keyboard mouse user

[cerulean ermine]

ah- Im on a controller

[elfin heron]

you only have a single dash but can sprint, basically it's like in other modern games like Silksong or Elden Ring, instead of the double/triple etc dash in the first game
plus the cast is very different, you create a binding circle that stops enemies, it's a major mechanic

[cerulean ermine]

Cool!!

[desert verge]

so mb for you it will be easier. also i didnt beat 2nd part in high difficulty too

[crude dragon]

In the new player channel, in here you only need to spoiler mark the stuff that happens after you kill the final bosses

[bronze otter]

Oh ok

[cerulean ermine]

makes sense

[bronze otter]

So yeah I just beat him for the 3rd time

[cerulean ermine]

^^

alr well thanks yall

ill be heading out now, ty

[desert verge]

now do it 50 more times!

[cerulean ermine]

lol

[desert verge]

come back soon

[bronze otter]

I mean in hades 1 I beat hades 43 times

[cerulean ermine]

Byeeee

[proud swift]

Generally in Hades 2 I would say the game starts harder, but climbing fear (fear is the same as heat) is easier in this game.

[bronze otter]

Yeah

[desert verge]

i do not remember how much i did( it was so long ago

[bronze otter]

Not long for me hades 2 just came out like last week on Xbox

I played hades the day before it

[proud swift]

And the highest fear levels require more skill than the highest heat levels but have a lot less rng with enemy encounters and setting up your build.

[desert verge]

i finished 1st game in 2020)

[desert verge]

i'm not sure but i feel like for heat there are were more options?

[bronze otter]

Damn lol

I didn’t know it existed till 2025

Like mid 2025

Beat it mid 2025

[elfin heron]

max heat in Hades 1 was only beaten 2 times I believe (Zeus and Rama), it wasn't meant to be beatable, it's mathetically impossible outside of very good RNG

[desert verge]

i was huge fan of SGG games so i looked for Hades news looooong before Early Access

[bronze otter]

My only sgg games are hades lol

[proud swift]

Yep

[desert verge]

Bastion may be a little rusty rn, but Transistor is still my favorite

Pyre has weird gameplay but best story

Hades is.. weird. I enjoyed it a lot, but some myth changes... i do not like it but understand mostly why it was made

and i also didnt like ending i had in hades 2

but it is still better than Transistor's "Happy End"

i still cant force myself to play that game again

god damn it i already have 5k gold, why didnt i change reward(

yay 6k gold

Hermes legendary where are you)

hm

in victory screen in fear part there is something like a portrait blocked by chains. i will discover it later?

[strong rapids]

I'm not exactly sure, but if this is surface, did you see circe and take the "disable one of your vows" boon? that might be it

[torn wind]

Yeah Black Night Banishment does that

So you can show on your victory screen what it disabled

[reef sail]

I’m somehow getting worse at Pan blades

Just got murdered by the infernal contract fight

[torn wind]

To be fair that is a very tough fight if you’re not able to remain mobile

If you don’t have hidden blades trying to play ospecial pan will get you killed against fast bosses like that

It’s why most people playing Pan just play it like trick knives slop but with added homing effect

[crude dragon]

I mean, Pan is also debatably the worst Aspect in the game

[torn wind]

The only thing you use the aspect for actively takes away some of your actions. Like I’ve tried to play it and forget about the homing and get annoyed when I can’t pick off a stray enemy because my homing keeps flying back to the enemy in the cast

It’s strong when used correctly but the way you use it is still just a worse Mel or Arty blades

[dark zenith]

https://www.twitch.tv/onilinkle/clip/PluckyOpenPresidentKreygasm-pCZr6nu4urFKw_qm hate this game

[elfin heron]

Pan was meant to be like Chiron in Hades 1, do a thing that marks an enemy then unload many homing projectiles, but they nerfed it into the ground

[torn wind]

I mean. You chose to take that

[dark zenith]

cant really skip boons can i

[elfin heron]

I saw a clip of the EA Pan and it was 360 knives that charge near instantly, obv that was broken strong

[dark zenith]

well i could've skipped the purchasing of one or went on another path, but the second the boon was on screen?

up to lady luck at that point

[torn wind]

Yeah but that’s why you usually don’t take uncommon unless you have proper upbringing

But that is still unfortunate.

I’ve tried to go uncommon early on but it’s very unlikely you’ll get to keep it unless you have excellence and divinity

But you can get it back later when you get proper upbringing

[elfin heron]

don't take uncommon until you have proper

[torn wind]

Proper upbringing will reactivate it since it makes all boons uncommon at minimum

It getting hit by the very thing that deactivated it is hilarious though

An additional “screw you”

Usually the play if you want to get proper upbringing is to intentionally take one of every infusion element using boons from Hera so it gets into the pool

[elfin heron]

though it's kinda funny that bridal glow just stays in your boon list and you can even SELL it, rare crop in Hades 1 just disappeared once it did its thing

[torn wind]

You can get bridal, purge it, and get it again

Same as with heavy metal

It’s theoretically possible AFAIK to get bridal glow 4 times

[elfin heron]

I once sold it to Nemesis for like 600 gold

[torn wind]

“You’d take that deal?”
“I’d take that deal”
“I’d take that deal. Damn good deal.”

Except for the time loss lol

Rejecting nem trades is sadly faster

(But “accepting” Nem is also faster)

[elfin heron]

this reminds me, I saw a speedrunner reject Nemesis sex scene in a run, and she dropped an empty centaur heart

it's like you broke her heart

[torn wind]

Yeah she either can give you food, a kiss of Styx, armor, or if you reject her she can drop a centaur soul

[shut needle]

I was wondering, let's say you do it with her the first time, say no the second, will she come back around for a third or be done? I haven't seen her a third time yet and I said yes both times

[torn wind]

I think now the option can reappear even if you reject her but idk I haven’t seen anybody ever reject her the first time

Like when anybody talks about “oh I rejected _” I never hear Nem

Nemesis is the only one that can actively affect a run so I’d imagine they made it possible for the option to reappear otherwise your save could be permanently ruined based on that one decision

[worldly mantle]

she comes back

[worldly mantle]

she can also drop it when you say yes too

i think its the same item pool regardless of your answer

[torn wind]

Now that I think of it I did get a centaur soul one time nvm

So yeah same pool

[worldly mantle]

it would be weird if they made taking the sex scene optimal lol

[shut needle]

Ah good
I know we're getting into story stuff but it is kinda funny, Icarus is the only one Mel makes a move on, all the others ask her. Clearly Icarus is her favorite

[torn wind]

Mel actively has to MAKE something for Icarus

[shut needle]

He could ask for it

[torn wind]

She cares about him a lot more than she seems to make apparent

[torn wind]

But DOES he?

[shut needle]

He too shy

[torn wind]

Exactly

[worldly mantle]

shy boy

[shut needle]

They'd never get anywhere if it was up to him lol

[worldly mantle]

i think hed get there eventually

just not within the scope of the game

[shut needle]

They got eternity

[torn wind]

Hades in Hades 1 telling Orpheus “you’d better find your voice soon or else. I give you 100 years and not a moment more”

[shut needle]

I'm wondering if I loaded up the wrong save though Eris has never propositioned Mel again

Maybe I should lose to her on purpose lol see if that triggers it.

[worldly mantle]

i rejected eris i wouldnt know

[elfin heron]

Eris best girl

which reminds me, the new patch added repeatable bath scenes and Eris' extra scene was the only one that wasn't 2 oneliners, it was an actual new scene

Supergiant favors Eris!

[shut needle]

Odysseus had extra lines

[tranquil wren]

^

[torn wind]

Yeah they added some extra dialogue to a few of the optional extra gift scenes

[near basin]

would you say aspect of circe is maybe best weapon in game or at least s tier? what about aspect of melinoe? I know they are two style differnces

[torn wind]

It’s generally considered the third best weapon overall in terms of use in pushing fear

[near basin]

other 2 being?

[torn wind]

As far as speed it drops way down the list

[torn wind]

Medea #1 Mel staff #2

[near basin]

why is mel staff so good? on surface it sounds good, I Just know I used teh circe and didnt realize how much dmg my cast were doing and I didnt spec into it too much

[torn wind]

Your “top tier” weapons are generally Medea, Mel staff, Circe, Moros, Eos, Morrigan, Nergal, Charon, Nyx

[torn wind]

Special is a nuke button

[near basin]

yeah that shimmering moonshot is good right

[torn wind]

It’s very mobile and the 1-2 combo of dash attack to special is very strong

[near basin]

I saw that one guy was super hype when it got it for first max fear clear or something

[torn wind]

Shimmering + Dual moonshot is generally considered the best hammer combo but melting swipe and mirrored thrasher are also generally considered really good

[near basin]

anything to specifically look out for when going special?

[torn wind]

Hera special

Hera special Zeus attack is the meta

[coarse root]

Okay they really need to implement something in the game to auto pause if your controller dies. My entire run just got thrown out because my controller cut off 😩

[torn wind]

Yeah steam disconnecting your controller or the controller dying really messes up a run

And definitely bad on consoles too

[near basin]

just realized you have a goated pfp

[digital geode]

I think I found my favorite combination of gods in the game for daggers

[near basin]

your bio 😭

my controller kept auto spinting a few times

or stopped moving fast

[near basin]

ive already been levelling up the zeus keepsake, guess the hera keepsake might be pretty decent to do as well

[torn wind]

Yeahhhh it stuck with me

Took the bio and pfp from that chapter

[torn wind]

God keepsakes are strong until you reach credits and get the meta keepsake

You’ll know it when you see it

[near basin]

oh yeah I know lol everyone says jeweled pom is defintive best right

[torn wind]

Waiting for the release date announcement on S2

[near basin]

seeing that final chapter coming 3/24 blew my mind

assassin arc is so peak

my queen quanxi

[torn wind]

Oh absolutely. The thing is that god keepsakes make getting “the build” easier but jeweled Pom makes VASTLY more builds viable while also making “the build” way stronger

[near basin]

the build being zeus attack, hera special?

[torn wind]

It’s basically mandatory on some weapons too who get like a 2x buff between JPom and not

[torn wind]

Yeah. Zeus attack gets nearly double damage with JPom

Static shock gets doubled

Double strike gets doubled

You get the point

Jpom basically makes everything twice as strong and so far more stuff can be good

[near basin]

sheesh yeah I just realized how good static shock was the other day, I knew it was good before but not that good

I always was a zeus user from the beginning

[torn wind]

Yeah a 10 damage flat buff to EVERY weapon attack that also chains is very strong

20 with jpom at common and 30 at epic is absurd

[worldly mantle]

jpom is simply absurd

[torn wind]

As a coat player you know lol

[worldly mantle]

yeah

i mourn the loss of my consistency

[torn wind]

Your meta is entirely reliant on jpom cause of the buffs to Poseidon attack and slippery slope being 4x as strong

Well, 4x as much of an increase from 20% to 80%

So not really 4x

[worldly mantle]

my pb yesterday tho was jpom apollo atk and then full air quality build, but jpom was still necessary for early game pace because (1) giga dash and (2) apollo atk scaling in early game

late game air quality was doing all the work

oh i forgot i also got echo pom on the attack which is another reason why pom is so cracked in UW

level 12 attack boon is pretty good

[torn wind]

That’s honestly not bad yeah extra size does make up for the missing Poseidon attack

[worldly mantle]

the only parts i would change are not getting back burner and also my starting boon was hermes so i had to fight and claw for pace in the first few rooms

but getting launcher frame zeus spec, exhaust riser, support fire, static shock and air quality is a crazy build still

cast gust with air quality would have also been nice, given that i had demeter in my pool

[near basin]

what are yall favorite hexes

[worldly mantle]

wolf howl

gives me movement and i use it once in the run when i get it to speed to room exit and then i dont touch the hex ever again

[torn wind]

Oh yeah that’s a pretty solid second

[digital geode]

Moon water because I'm boring

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah Twilight Curse and Wolf Howl because they're cheap and don't need investment to be useful

[torn wind]

Lunar ray is funny if you get the one that makes it auto fire

Twilight curse is an easy #1 though

[worldly mantle]

i love moon water when i need a rediculous amount of money

[digital geode]

I'ma go over them to remind myself what they all do

[torn wind]

I had it on my Charon run last night and… being able to pull enemies into your cast when your entire weapon’s design is “BLOW UP THE CAST” it’s quite strong

[digital geode]

Whenever I have money I spend it like no tomorrow.

[elfin heron]

twilight curse and night bloom

[torn wind]

Hestia godsent is insanely good for room clear especially on high fear for wards clear

[near basin]

the revival one is nice just for scylla fight lol

[torn wind]

Except it’s only usable at the very end

[digital geode]

That's part of the charm, you can use it to sustain yourself in a boss fight or to just get health mana and money back

[worldly mantle]

i love aphro cast with super nova on charon for that reason

[elfin heron]

I don't really get the wolf howl hype, it locks you in an animation and you might land in something bad (like an exploding hourglass)

[torn wind]

Yeah I like aphro cast other than that it doesn’t do much damage

I had anvil ring

[worldly mantle]

true

[torn wind]

#h2-victory-boasting message

Scroll down for the build or up for more horrible anti-visual-clarity gameplay

[worldly mantle]

im so anti-visual clarity

team and concept

[digital geode]

I can see the hype of moon howl, it's just awesome to look at

I feel like I want to try phase shift more tbh

I don't get offered it much tbh

[bitter stirrup]

Wolf Howl is incredibly safe and can save you from taking multiple big damage hits especially vs Cerberus and Chronos

[worldly mantle]

its a really nice response to chronos dash

[torn wind]

Yeah wolf howl is a free 3 second invulnerability that is instantaneous

[near basin]

hm yeah I never thought of wolf like that

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah Chronos dashes (especially that stupid timeslow dash combo), scythe throw with a bad teleport, Cerberus flamethrower, bad expanding circle pattern

[worldly mantle]

i just usually dont actually get to use it in a run because coat uses so little magick

its always wild trying out a different weapon and actually having the hex option available

[near basin]

what keepsakes do yall like for the first couple of stages? whatever god boons you are using (assume no end game ones)

I like zeus normally

I level up the chaos keepsake but apparently people dont like that lol maybe its because it too random with usless options

[torn wind]

For speed with god keepsakes

God keepsake - fig - god keepsake, droplet, gorgon or hammer - lion fang or white antler

For fear take a survivability or god keepsake region 2

I said time piece forgetting I was talking god keepsakes

[elfin heron]

you should start with a god keepsake to get your build rolling, maybe even take another for region 2 if your build is not compelete yet

[woeful topaz]

Hey, can someone tell me what the faces mean on some keepsakes?

[ebon sigil]

Jpom is my first now, and then zag card or Selene, then whatever fun I want

[elfin heron]

max bond with that character, no you get no special bonuses, it just looks cute

[ebon sigil]

You have a bond with that character now

[near basin]

yeah tthats what I figure but I am not fully sure on builds yet

I usually take gods I like but I am looking into actual builds more

[woeful topaz]

Ah okay, but it also doesnt give less bonuses when not having max bond?

[torn wind]

Honestly just running god keepsakes to guarantee what god you want is very strong

[torn wind]

As said it doesn’t actually affect anything

Just means you finished their gifting dialogue

[woeful topaz]

thanks so much

[ebon sigil]

Question. It seems as you get further in the run, the chance at rare and epics go up and you hardly see commons at all at the end of the run. Can someone explain what’s the math behind that mechanic

[elfin heron]

you get higher rarity boons from mini-bosses

[torn wind]

Placebo tbh

But yeah also that there’s wardens

[ebon sigil]

Is that it?

[torn wind]

Wardens are weighted to usually give at least rare (it’s also why they’ll rarely give infusions since infusions are weighted as common)

[elfin heron]

yeah, there's more mini-bosses towards the end, hence you feeling like that

[ebon sigil]

Yeah I knew the warden rule. But what about hermes deliveries and shops?

[torn wind]

No change

[ebon sigil]

Hmm. Placebo I guess

[torn wind]

Anything other than wardens appearing to have higher rarity chance is just placebo yeah

[ebon sigil]

I like seeing the colors tho

[elfin heron]

put excellence on

[ebon sigil]

Like I want epic heph boons in core slots early, but that’s just rng if I’m running jpom, right?

[elfin heron]

you can salute the board until you get heph in room 1, will take a few minutes though

[torn wind]

Or get Heph in your pool, leave slots open for attack/special and take card region 2

Then you can card them to heroic

That’s far more consistent than rerolling for epic in region 1

[elfin heron]

or do what Boated does, get any Heph boon ASAP, then rush region 1 and take narc's keepsake, only to have it hit trash, then you yell and restart

[torn wind]

Valid

[worldly mantle]

content

[torn wind]

But yeah card region 2 for heph blasts is a really strong option

Being able to get a 2 and 4 second heph blast instantly is super strong

[frosty veldt]

Do you unlock higher rivals by just doing runs after unlocking the previous one? Or do you need to do the rival?

[elfin heron]

you need to beat the rivals bosses to unlock the next tier, on both routes

[frosty veldt]

Okay, thanks.

[torn wind]

Yeah it gives you an incantation upon clearing both

The incantation uses the materials earned from the next wave of bosses

[frosty veldt]

I got the tier 2 but wasn’t sure it was due to doing cyclops/hecate. They were in a dream run

[torn wind]

🤷‍♂️ idk there could be some interaction with it that’s funky due to dream dives but normally it’s that you need to clear each level of rivals then use materials from the next to get the next level of rivals

[frosty veldt]

Dang, so I’m gonna end up doing rivals for all in one run.

[torn wind]

That is how rivals 4 works

[jolly hound]

In a dream run you get rivals based on which frame you’re on, like if you do rivals 2 and start fields - summit - ephyra - Olympus you’re up against rivals cerb and Typhon then regular poly and prom

[torn wind]

But rivals actually interacts with dream dives separately

Since rivals 1 can force you to face rivals of whatever is region 1

It doesn’t correspond to the original bosses, it corresponds to region

[halcyon rain]

yep, the vow itself says that is based on the region

[torn wind]

I know just clarifying

[jolly hound]

it is scaled, like Tartarus start rivals chronos has a quarter of regular hp but also you have maybe two boons so it’s a spicy meatball

[torn wind]

Cause otherwise it would be possible to never face a rivals boss on rivals 2 if you managed to get every region 3 and 4

[torn wind]

Region 4 has 1.5x health

It’s very spicy

Phasing the instakill is way harder

[near basin]

is engraved pin still good if you are only mostly losing death defiances to bosses? for the 10 second of free damage of lets say to chronos? dont get me wrong its also insurance if I wre to go to 0 health during the earlier encounters

[torn wind]

10 seconds of free damage is great and also it can count as a “clear” if you clear a boss phase

[near basin]

ohh boss phase as well so the first half of chronos counts?

[torn wind]

I’ve done that or rivals chronos before where “beating him” counts for clearing and thus you get the heal

[near basin]

what about typhon with 4 phases

[torn wind]

Yeah every phase of Chronos counts for pin

[torn wind]

Only ones that trigger a cutscene

So only the start and end of the special phase

[near basin]

what do people mean by rivals? I think I heard people say that about promethesus?

[torn wind]

You can use it to tank the survival phase

Rivals is a vow that gives the bosses stronger fights

It’s the one at the bottom on the Oath of The Unseen

[near basin]

oh yeah I was just looking at that

I just started nightmare so I was thinking that but 7 minute clear seems the easiest

[torn wind]

You unlock every next level by beating the boss of the current max level of rivals on both underworld and surface

There’s a prophecy for it

[frosty veldt]

I’m just doing it to unlock them all, so I can have access to all vows. Not necessarily to get higher fear. Prophecy as well for a trophy/achievement

[torn wind]

There’s special content hidden behind the rivals fights

As well as incantations required for true 100%

[frosty veldt]

That too, it’s fun seeing the new interactions

Even if they’re annoying

[torn wind]

The rivals fights are fun once you learn them since they don’t instantly evaporate like the normal fights

Eventually you’ll just turn them on for fun when you get better at the game and want a harder bag to punch

[near basin]

wait so is rival necessary more so than the other modifiers?

[torn wind]

Rivals is the only vow with content behind it

[near basin]

does it offer a specific unlock? or just a prophency

[near basin]

good to know

[torn wind]

Music being one of the main ones

Since some fights have different music you can unlock

One of which being an absolute banger

[near basin]

I kinda miss that they got rid of pausing during the chronos fight lol

it would be nice if the first pause didnt work, but the second one did

[torn wind]

That’s an incantation you can unlock

[near basin]

so you could still pause if you needed it

[torn wind]

The ability to pause is an UNLOCK

[near basin]

ohhh

I thought I could pause even without that?

since I didnt unlock it yet

dissolution of time I think right

[torn wind]

I was wondering for the longest time what I hadn’t found that still needed materials and it was pausing during rivals chronos

Since I’d never tried

That was appropriately the final thing I needed for 100%

I had literally everything in the game including every hidden unlock except that

[short raft]

Dream Dive Crice truly is something else:
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[near basin]

for chronos what you think is better unseen ire (going dark after damage) or old grudge (-20% life)

[shut mica]

how different is h2 from h1, the price is quite different

[frosty veldt]

Depends how much you’re getting hit

[near basin]

to me it seems just like hades 1 but better

[worldly mantle]

ire if you get hit, grudge if you dont

[near basin]

just more stuff in a good way, way more content as well

[shut mica]

well, is it worth buying it on 20% discount

[near basin]

theres a whole extra area

its worth it without any discount IMO, more playtime than hades 1

[shut mica]

righto

[near basin]

like you get 2 worlds

so double

[shut mica]

wowzers

[near basin]

hm lol I do get hit a lot thats why I took ire the first time I had the offer

[frosty veldt]

Hades 2 is much better in terms of gameplay, fluidity, bosses, builds, etc

[worldly mantle]

h2 has more content, new story and characters, new enemies, regions and bosses, but the biggest change is the move kit. it plays very differently to hades 1.

i wouldnt say its strictly better than H1, there are a lot of things i love about h1 that are different in h2

but theyre different games that play differently but definitely still feel related to each other

the weapons, upgrades and boons are also pretty different as well

its a unique, standalone experience

[frosty veldt]

It’s worth the price, I would’ve paid $60

I also have 100’s of hours in Hades 1 though, so take that with a grain of salt

[glossy shadow]

Does grudge only do 20% of a phase's health bar?

[frosty veldt]

First phase, yeah

[glossy shadow]

I feel like chances are good that, for a final boss, like 2 procs of ire will make up the difference, such that it's a matter of literally never getting hit to make grudge worthwhile

[frosty veldt]

Depends on how long your fight is as well. 40 seconds is a long time for the cooldown

[worldly mantle]

youd need to have a really weak build for it not to be tbh

70% damage is a lot

[frosty veldt]

True, he usually dies immediately after it procs

[near basin]

does snuffed candle aka damage to isolated foes work on bosses?

google says yes

[frosty veldt]

I would think so, I take it for bosses quite a bit

[torn wind]

Generally just to add to what all was said if it wasn’t already, hades 2 fixed a lot of the “random garbage” of H1. Slippery enemies like Asphodel’s entirety are very scarce and nowhere near as absurd, runs are generally faster, the enemies are more balanced to not need a super good build to even keep up, and the game as a whole just feels way more open ended on options and build expression

[shut mica]

oh yeah i‘ve been really noticing the super good build part

with h1 it‘s like enemies are super easy to kill but bosses take ages

[torn wind]

Hades 1 by the time you get to Elysium you either have a build or you don’t

[shut mica]

which is intended i suppose but stilll……

[frosty veldt]

Also, asking in a hades 2 discussion. I doubt you’re gonna get many people to say “it’s not worth it.”

[shut mica]

i intended to persuade myself by aiding my own bias with others‘

[torn wind]

Hades 2 wouldn’t have made me put more time into it than Monster Hunter Rise or Satisfactory if it wasn’t enjoyable

[shut mica]

so i got what i wanted :p

[frosty veldt]

Moon guide you

[torn wind]

Moonlight guide us

[shut mica]

how many hours do you have on sf?

[torn wind]

200

[shut mica]

same!!

i have 202.7 i think

i have 0 on hades 2 though

so got some catching up to do clearly

[torn wind]

Well that will turn into 50 very quickly lol

I have 350+ hours on Hades 2

400 if you count sitting around doing nothing

[frosty veldt]

I have 68hrs on hades 2 and I started last week

[shut mica]

i dont wanna make the same mistake i made with sf

[shut mica]

i played wayyyy too much every day and got burnt out from the game

i got my 200 hours in abt 3 weeks lol

[torn wind]

Hades 2 is very anti-burnout since there’s always a new thing to challenge yourself with

[frosty veldt]

I’m on my 88th run

[shut mica]

yeah sf is SO BORING when you get to the endgame

[torn wind]

Yeah I’ve never actually beaten it

I usually would spend way too much time doing trains and making builds that were way over the necessary demands and then burning out after 30 hours making aluminum

[shut mica]

well yeah the first save file takes like around 350 hrs on average for most players

[near basin]

lol satisfactory is so rough once you get past oil

spaghetti became too much

[shut mica]

yeah i think the real tutorial is everything before t6

[torn wind]

Scope creep goes crazy

[shut mica]

i have like, all space parts except nuclear pasta done i think for phase 4

and all milestones done before p5

which i think is good for 200h but i didnt learn entirely by playing

i was given elite ball knowledge throughout

@torn wind can i add u? :3

[near basin]

can I link to my win in the other channel in this one?

I just had one of the closest possible finishes of all time

#h2-victory-boasting message

check out how close this was to almost fumbling a run with 2 death defiances

[torn wind]

Yeah sure

[short raft]

Yeah, but it has some issues with Final Bosse's attacks begin dodgable.
Chronos triple Spin syth and Typhon's Egg spam when there is a nuke begin channel are horrible for normal players to dodge, if none at all, like there are times you will just lose runs to that. Dad wasnt so bad as a boss, dodge-wise.

[jolly hound]

So I’m pretty sure that if the countdown expires you just lose another defiance

Still, stressful if you don’t know that

[reef sail]

If I ignore the first time my keepsake god shows up will it continue to be “more likely”?

[frosty veldt]

I really don’t think so, just had a god boon on and ignored the first. Never saw them again. Could just be bad rng tho

[hushed cloak]

Nah, the effect of "Boons of X are more likely to appear" disappears once it pops up

[jolly hound]

It’ll show the keepsake name when it pops

After that it’s up to chance

[broken creek]

so specifically how the keepsake works is that it guarantees the first major reward to be the god boon but after that it doesnt do anything

[reef sail]

Yeah that’s why I’m assuming it goes away, but the icon only shows that 1 counter for the rarify use so wasn’t sure

Sad

[elfin heron]

I really like this QoL feature, in Hades 1 it wasn't obvious if a keepsake was still active

[frosty veldt]

Would be funny to see the same god for every pick

[short raft]

its a 50/50 but its not 0

[jolly hound]

Yeah the number is the rarity, and it will also be like, Cloud Bangle!

[near basin]

I didnt know that lol I was stressing so much

I saw that -976 hp and started to panic, never really got hit by that attack before

[reef sail]

Not mel telling on herself for owning a scylla wall scroll

[hushed cloak]

Mel owning a Scylla poster, Scylla writing bewitching eyes...

ship when

[near basin]

does the narcissus and echo quest just progress by talking with them? and then you clean the pond? I havent gotten to that pond part

[frosty veldt]

Scylla rivals is pure chaos

[tired iris]

You know how the music gets awesome when you fight a summit minions? Is that an actual thing on the soundtrack? Closest I can find is "Mothe of All Storms," which is sort of right but less intense and less awesome

[crude dragon]

It uses specific sections from Mother of All Storms

[tired iris]

Is that available on the soundtrack as its own track? Like how Thrashing Into Tartarus is its own thing?

[crude dragon]

It's not two separate themes like Into Tartarus and (Thrashing) Into Tartarus

[tired iris]

Aww

[lean bronze]

me
I ship em

[jolly wing]

If I don’t choose a room, such as Hermes, does a Hermes boon come back in the same region?

[willow fog]

How do yall deal with the region 3 enemy that punches a lot

Im getting wombo'd by steve fox

[broken glen]

they're a lot like the wailers in Erebus where you really can't hesitate and just kill them

hit them before they can hit you sorta thing

as they have a decent startup to attacks (and I assume you're talking about the ones in the mourning fields)

[willow fog]

Yeah, mourners apparently

They arent rly slowed down by casts

[willow fog]

So theres no real way to interrupt their combo?

[hushed cloak]

They have a slow turning speed, dashing through them and hitting from behind does well

[willow fog]

What about those screaming banshee enemies

They arent hard but they keep sneaking in chip damage

[elfin heron]

cast

[broken creek]

Cast! Cast is the most important thing for those guys

[elfin heron]

told you about casts today and you're still not casting, smh

[broken creek]

Once they start attacking you have 2 options, interrupt with an attack for the flinch or cast and wait for them to stop attacking

[broken creek]

Yes they are not a single normal enemy will ignore the cast cc unless they have the fang perk of invulnerablity

[willow fog]

No i mean

I guess the cast doesnt slow them

Or stop them mid combo

[cunning laurel]

it doesnt stun them no but it definitely slows them

[lean bronze]

its good positional control

positions and your control over them are important at higher fears

0f casts are tbh optional

practising using them from early on is vital tho

[crude dragon]

As soon as you get the Furies Arcana, you should be using your Cast as much as possible

[willow fog]

Got it

Their stand rushes are just brutal

What about the screaming ladies

[crude dragon]

@willow fog Refer back to

[willow fog]

But when they have the active hitbox up, should I try to backstab or just ignore them

[elfin heron]

put a cast between yourself and them, then either use ranged attacks or wait for them to stop wailing

[willow fog]

I was tryna flank them yeah

[elfin heron]

enemies can't walk over casts

[willow fog]

Makes sense, they pivot too fast then

[torn wind]

You just gotta know enemy timing because casts are so core to a lot of enemy designs

[willow fog]

What about that one miniboss in area 3

Yeah im realizing cast is critical to keep enemy anim speed consistent

The phantom? The one thats got everyones hp

[torn wind]

Phantom in region 3 is a skill check for new players since the fight can drag on for super long if you let him hit you

[willow fog]

Tbh I beat him but never realized he was healing back

[torn wind]

Yeah he heals off allies as well

[willow fog]

Oh, that makes more sense

Heal on hit?

I was sure he barely touched me, was wondering why he would not drop

Also, is cerberus full map nuke undodgeable?

[lean bronze]

You could run him over with ridiculous damage
But thats not a mel staff thing
Charon skull (not hel) and moros torches are some good contenders for one hits

[torn wind]

I’ve done Helheim and killed him straight through his healing

[lean bronze]

no
Theres a safe circle thats not red

[torn wind]

You can also I-frame

[lean bronze]

right
New update
Forgot abt that

[torn wind]

Helheim is so goated now

[willow fog]

Oh, I meant iframe

[torn wind]

Yoshi set a new hel record using it

[willow fog]

Thanks

[torn wind]

Every attack in the game can be I-framed

[willow fog]

Im just tryna get enough to firmly grasp my way to arcana card upgrades

[torn wind]

Including Prometheus memory flames and Chronos instakill

[willow fog]

Of course he has an instakill

[lean bronze]

imagine heroic stutter step

[torn wind]

Oh lol didn’t know you hadn’t reached him yet

[lean bronze]

which bit is the chronos instakill
Im confused since the long charge time is weird

[elfin heron]

he has 2 different ones

[willow fog]

Ive watched the true ending way back, its fine

[torn wind]

They’re both just “go to the spot” and he doesn’t attack you during it

You can also cancel both of them by doing enough damage to clear the phase

[willow fog]

The part thats killing me most of the time is personal stupidity tbh

Other than the hajime no ippo dudes in region 3 no other enemy rly screws me over

[lean bronze]

i wanna iframe it

[elfin heron]

Chronos' instakills are exactly like Cerberus' ultimate attack, go to the only safe spot in the arena

[willow fog]

Whats chronos' safe spot let you do

Is it just a not die zone

[elfin heron]

you don't take 999 damage when you stand in the safe spot

[torn wind]

Those are a nightmare on frenzy 2 and when they can even become invulnerable and faster on scars 2

[lean bronze]

wait what if you had 1000 hp

[torn wind]

Getting a Clanger + Fast mourner is Hell

[elfin heron]

you will live

[torn wind]

Clanger makes an enemy invulnerable until all other enemies are dead

[bitter stirrup]

You dash right after he stops spinning his scythe and t-poses

https://imgur.com/a/hades-2-chronos-second-stage-insta-kill-dodges-uTGByo7

[lean bronze]

[lean bronze]

real?

[willow fog]

They hit confirm into like 5 hits

Theyre my bane thus far

[torn wind]

They attack even faster on Frenzy 2 lol

[lean bronze]

not so instakill

[elfin heron]

it's not an actual insta-kill, it just hits for 999, Strength and others sources of damage reduction can get it down to like 550-ish

[torn wind]

So you just EAT damage

[willow fog]

Feels like I pissed off a calculator

[lean bronze]

[willow fog]

Also uh oh was a rough fight

Could not spot him

[elfin heron]

he has a glowing ring/aura around him

[willow fog]

If this were ff itd hit for 9999

[red fox]

The 1 armor

[willow fog]

I might be blind