h2-discussion

[torn wind]

I guess that’s the exception to my wording

[craggy totem]

Whereas I'm pretty sure cocoon rooms do count even if you get the reward first try

I too am having difficulty thinking of a succinct way to phrase it that covers every edge case

But the general gist heh

[torn wind]

So a non-optional time where enemies are spawned would be a better way to say it

Anything required to progress

There

So yeah a chaos curse clears pretty fast in fields since the encounters are often pretty short

But a LOCATION based curse is bad

[craggy totem]

Wait, are there location based curses? For some reason I thought they were all per encounter

[torn wind]

Hidden location rewards

That includes non encounters since its location based

It clears upon walking through the last hidden door rather than after clearing the encounter

[craggy totem]

OH the shrouded or obscured or whatever

Yeah that one sucks, I never take it

[torn wind]

Yeah getting scammed out of narcissus or Arachne sucks

[craggy totem]

It says it's encounter based... I guess it's lying 😭

[torn wind]

It does?

I thought the wording was “the next _ location rewards are hidden”

Or something like that

[craggy totem]

Oh, you're right

I must be mixing it up with something else 🤔

[torn wind]

Maybe idk could be thinking of the “clear _ encounters in under 120 seconds”

[craggy totem]

Maybe!

Although that one is my favorite and Enshrouded (ah, that's what it's called) is one of my least favorites 😆

[midnight coral]

spoilers dream dives
||when doing dream dives is there always a guarenteed region 4 somewhere in the run? i used jeweled pom and got old grudge and was wondering what would happen if you never saw typhon or chronos||

[craggy totem]

That's a good question! The final one can be anything and is not guaranteed to be one of the "original" r4s. Hopefully it does still have its effect.

[torn wind]

I actually know somebody I can ask about that give me a minute

[jolly wing]

Night 1 and I have 129 Ash

[craggy totem]

I guess you could argue that most of the bosses are collaborating with Chronos in some way, but what about pore ole Cerbie eh

(Love the new animation for the pupper btw)

[pulsar rose]

in the || melinoe find us || quest, does it mean ||activate pin one chamber, go to next and activate, go to next and activate then die in the same one that u activated the pin for the third time in, or does it mean go to a fourth chamber and die || (fates quest spoiler)

[midnight coral]

yea i got ||typhon|| region 2 so it proc-ed there but idk what would happen if you never see them

[craggy totem]

Huh!!!! Based on that description, it sounds like you may possibly just be out of luck if you never see them.

Jpom nerfed????? ;P

[craggy totem]

I believe I've seen folks say both work.

[pulsar rose]

okay, thanks

[craggy totem]

I did mine in a fourth room fwiw

[midnight coral]

that keepsake is a monster. fates whim best whim

[torn wind]

Answer seems to be ||yes it would do nothing||

||they modified the wording to say “IF you run into Typhon or chronos”||

[craggy totem]

Okay, I was confused before you edited haha

Biggest jpom nerf since.... 😆

[torn wind]

||dream dive regions are not pre-seeded so it’s possible to never see either of them||

[torn wind]

And it’s still unaffected since you’d never take those anyways

Unless you got a god hammer room 1

[midnight coral]

all things considered is pretty small nerf so whatever lol

[craggy totem]

WDYM take those

Oh, like reset? Not everybody is as sweaty as some of us tbf

[torn wind]

I mean on room 1. Deep dissent is godly to get R4 on rivals

[craggy totem]

Though that's kinda funny, you could theoretically ||roll a Dream Dive that was all long regions so that you would get more boons?||

I wonder what the best possible roll for that would be

[torn wind]

Probable fields Erebus ephyra Thessaly

Or switch Ephyra and Erebus

[craggy totem]

Erebus and Thessaly are pretty famous for giving you jack diddly squat, but maybe Artificer offsets it slightly

[torn wind]

Oceanus is bad cause Scylla got health and damage buffed

[craggy totem]

Yeah, Scylla's a real monster, what's up with that

[torn wind]

Fields is apparently the good start THEN ephyra

Cause fields has stuff to artificer

[midnight coral]

i would assume thessaly only gives nothing cause ephyra is goated. if you get thessaly without ephyra i wonder if it gives more on average

[elfin heron]

woah, that's pretty lame, why not just rework it so that it works with all 8 bosses, they all have adds anyway, Scylla with half of the tentacles would be awesome

[torn wind]

Cause thematics I guess 🤷‍♂️

[midnight coral]

ehh. it happens so infrequently and its just another thing to consider when picking keepsakes

[proud swift]

Has anybody encountered a ||normal run in a Dream Dive|| yet?

[craggy totem]

Yeah, I mean, Evil Eye also does nothin if you pick wrong

[torn wind]

Thessaly isn’t terrible as far as rewards go it just sucks cause of Charybdis

[craggy totem]

So it's not like keepsakes being sometimes useless isn't already a thing

[halcyon rain]

i almost did a reverse surface

[torn wind]

My dad plays and got a reverse order surface

[elfin heron]

apparently, you can never land on erebus/ephyra in region 1 so it's impossible

[halcyon rain]

summit - olympus - thessaly - but unfortunately the last one was tartarus

[proud swift]

That's what I suspected but it's unfortunate 😔 would have made for some funny dialogue if they accounted for it.

[midnight coral]

weird stuff happens in a randomizer, its not worse just cause it doesnt work

[torn wind]

It’s annoying cause the surface bosses all got nerfed and underworld all got buffed

Even if they appear in the same order position

Even though underworld rivals is harder overall

And surface early game is super easy

[midnight coral]

isnt that cause ephyra is so cracked that your build is better on average

[torn wind]

It’s overall also just easier cause larger rooms and less annoying enemies

[proud swift]

You can tell the devs must have fallen for Scyllas song and are now giving her special treatment.

[craggy totem]

It would be very funny if ||there was no scaling changes at all, and you just had to fight each region at its original difficulty with no adjustments||

[torn wind]

But yes ephyra buffet is cracked @midnight coral

[craggy totem]

Good luck with your ||region 1 Tartarus with no boons ;)||

[midnight coral]

when all the bosses are tuned for getting up to 8 boons in the first region and thats no longer guaranteed getting tuned down seems reasonable

[torn wind]

#1 hardest boss contender gets buffed

[torn wind]

Poly is mechanically piss easy

And Eris

[craggy totem]

Eris is hella annoying if you don't have the damage

[proud swift]

Just like the first game. 😂

[torn wind]

Comparing rivals Eris to rivals Scylla even mechanically is night and day other than how mobile she is

Same goes for poly and Hecate

The surface early bosses are both mechanically easier and easier because you have better builds

[proud swift]

I wonder how many of the upgrades in Tartarus between h1 & h2 are actually a result of Zag's escape attempts instead of Chronos?

[elfin heron]

I just noticed the other day, all the tart rooms in 2 are the same layouts as in 1, but you enter from what was the exit

[torn wind]

R4 Olympus sounds like hell to wantler

R4 heroes does normal damage but has nearly 2x health

[craggy totem]

I mean you don't gotta wantler

[proud swift]

Yeah it's really cool.

[midnight coral]

its pretty bad but in a fun way yea

[torn wind]

R4 heroes one shots you with wantler

[craggy totem]

I only noticed when I checked out OSP's Hades 1 charity stream!

[elfin heron]

and daddy is in the boulder room

[craggy totem]

Delayed karma....

[elfin heron]

he even talks about it at one point, like this boulder is keeping me company

[midnight coral]

a kings punishment

[errant reef]

Haven't gotten the chance to do any ||dream dives|| yet, does anybody know about how many it takes for ||Hypnos|| to run out of dialogue at the start?

[pulsar rose]

is it bad that i kinda love aspect of || hel||

[proud swift]

I love it too!

[pulsar rose]

like i hated it at first but WOW is it fun

[proud swift]

I'm so glad it got buffed!!!

[pulsar rose]

you just fire out an ospecial and now you essentially have lunar ray

it does about the same damage as a lunar ray (if not more) if u have pretty much any attack boon

even boonless it deals just barely less

[feral reef]

hades 2 dating sim is fire

[pulsar rose]

fr

[jolly wing]

What’s a preferred Night 2 keepsake?

Gold purse?

[merry whale]

for oceanus, taking rank 3 experimental hammer lasts for the rest of the run long as u take skip rooms like shop/midbosses/chaos

gold purse helps if u wanna lock in a boon for mid or endshop

[spare wind]

It's ||what 9 treats to max a familiar right or is it different for each? ||
Familiar spoilers

[merry whale]

i think so ye

lv10 per familiar

[spare wind]

There's 3 of each so lv9

[merry whale]

nah one goes to lv4

[jolly wing]

Or should I save my nectar for Dora?

[crude dragon]

Tooth until you get access to Pin

[spare wind]

So am missing about 27 treats which is 9 Sdust well I should get to doing chaos trials

[pulsar rose]

dont use gold purse

[jolly wing]

Dora keepsake for 1st night on Surface

[spare wind]

Nvm then I need 10 sdust😭

[craggy totem]

Fig Lea--

[merry whale]

familiars start at lv1 but u only need 9 to upgrade to lv10

so ur fine on the calc

[pulsar rose]

what part of the game are you at sundae?

[spare wind]

Oh alright mb then

Well I gotta do 7 more trials for the achivement anyway so ts fine

[craggy totem]

🍃 🍃 the humble 🍃 🍃

[pulsar rose]

or what keepsakes do you have

[merry whale]

dora keepsake is a good option for hp recovery, i think it's better to take in a later region instead of 1

[spare wind]

If everything goes alright I should have 100% achivements by sunday🥹

[merry whale]

unless ur mad struggling in first region then yea dora keepsake helps

[craggy totem]

(I was a big fan of Silk Sash, actually)

[jolly wing]

I already have Poseidon keepsake.

I have 1 nectar left.

I’m still in night 1.

[merry whale]

ye atp i don't think u need to be that concerned about keepsake choice, just go with whatever feels right

[jolly wing]

I’m hoping that Dora keepsake helps on 1st night on Surface, so I could get 2 Moss in 1 run.

[merry whale]

ah tru dora prob helps there

[spare wind]

The fact that I have more ambrosia then nectar rn is crazy
Because just starting on the maxing of all bonds

[craggy totem]

I do adora bit of free healing ;)

[jolly wing]

I’m choosing amongst Charon, Dora for my nectar choice.

I already have Poseidon.

I have 129 Ash already, so I could unlock 2 Fates arcana cards.

[elfin heron]

familiars start at lv 1, 1+9=10

[crude dragon]

Early on, you don't have the cabinet between regions

[craggy totem]

Oh, right

[crude dragon]

Which is why I so heavily recommend prioritizing unlocking Pin

[merry whale]

oh yeaa tru

early game is cursed innit

[torn wind]

Yeah pin for all 4 regions is massive

[merry whale]

fresh file true ending 50 fear clear when

[torn wind]

“Die” “nah, I don’t feel like it”

[crude dragon]

"Die"
"In a bit"

[torn wind]

Would have to mod in fear until you got to the Oath

[merry whale]

schelemeus keepsake prob worth too right, for dd refills

isn't oath insta unlocked after a clear

[craggy totem]

It wouldn't be fresh file though

If you already had one clear

[merry whale]

damn ur right

[torn wind]

Then you’d have Zeus and Hephaestus

[craggy totem]

"Freshish File"

[merry whale]

we need hell mode back that forces non-void fear dialed up

[craggy totem]

"One-Day-Old File, 15% Discount"

[crude dragon]

"Certified Pre-Owned File"

[craggy totem]

"Used File (Like New)"

[merry whale]

"this file's f*ing frozen!" - gordon ramsey, probably

[ebon sigil]

i'm almost ready to start a new file myself just to go through it all again.

maybe I should try to climb fear more

[merry whale]

fear is ez trust

that reminds me i saw that apparently there's a new fast nem where she can get freaky

i'm seriously hoping that it includes saves with the platonic route cuz that does kinda put me on a disadvantaged save lmao

[craggy totem]

It's the same amount of timesave as the one where she just drops a present on the ground

IDK if it replaces that one or if it's in addition to (thereby increasing the %chance)

[merry whale]

i figure it'd also increase the chances of a fast nem but idk

[craggy totem]

Code spelunkers 🥺 do u know

[hallow kestrel]

Yall what can i do with those new dream thingy

[merry whale]

more decorations

[crude dragon]

New pet cosmetics

[merry whale]

wait that reminds me familiars have more forms now

would be cool if dream item could be used to give aspect skins

[craggy totem]

I tried out Raki's, and it's nice, but I think I'm too used to using the cardinal skin to make him stand out

[vast marsh]

anyone got tips for using circe cause i dont feel the power of it

[craggy totem]

Check the pinned message in #h2-builds-and-combat

[vast marsh]

damn thanks

is the huntress worth it with aspect of moros?

i feel like it is

[jolly hound]

Storm Ring

that’s it that’s the tip

[craggy totem]

Note the wording very carefully -- idk if it's the same in other languages, but in the EN version at least, the trick is that a singular "Attack" or "Special" keyword refers only to the normal, non-omega version of the attack/special

So Huntress only buffs your non-omega damage

It's fine but it's not quite as busted as one might imagine

[vast marsh]

i didnt think of that damn

so the furies would probably be better

[halcyon rain]

you should run furies always

[nova oar]

Furies and origination should always be on

Huntress is more situational

[ebon sigil]

I always have her on... but do I actually make use of her often is another issue.

[nova oar]

Exactly lmaooo

[vast marsh]

is vow of denial worth picking in 32 heat?

[halcyon rain]

kinda, really depends

[craggy totem]

That's up to you, some people hate it but as long as you remember to check your Codex to see what vows are already denied, it's pretty easy to work around

[halcyon rain]

denial can screw you a lot if you don't have the awareness of builds

[craggy totem]

It is worse/bigger impact on aspects that have more narrow build requirements

But I simply don't play those :)

[vast marsh]

what about forfeit?

[craggy totem]

Forfeit is much harder than it seems at first glance

You can try it out and see how you feel about it, but it does weaken you substantially compared to Denial, regardless of your aspect

[crude dragon]

will vastly limit the amount of Boons you get access to

[halcyon rain]

yeah forfeit sucks, it sucks a bit less on surface

[crude dragon]

I forget, does a Hermes delivery break onion?

[halcyon rain]

no

[nova oar]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsNSwyLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsNV0=

I always recommend this for 32

[craggy totem]

It has to be a location reward boon

Family Disputes don't break it either

[vast marsh]

tysm

[vast marsh]

why no wards?

[craggy totem]

The impact of Wards is aspect dependent

Because I mostly liked to play coat and didn't like the Rivals fights, I went with this instead, for example. But an axe has a harder time with Wards generally.

[vast marsh]

i feel like wards with moros wouldnt be a problem

[halcyon rain]

you can switch hubris for wards but like, both are fine

[vast marsh]

i dont have rivals 2 unlocked so im gonna switch it up a lil

[halcyon rain]

lowk why no menace? i feel like its the most free fear after time

[vast marsh]

true

but menace 2 can be a problem i feel

[nova oar]

Speedrunner brainrot

[halcyon rain]

fair

[craggy totem]

I wouldn't describe Menace as "free", even if you're not speedrunning, if you're doing a Surface run

[nova oar]

It's not, take it if you want

[craggy totem]

Machine Gun Bots In Thessaly

[nova oar]

They absorb alot of damage and are generally a pain in the ass

[crude dragon]

Anchors in Ephyra

But at the same time, Summit enemies replacing Automatons

[vast marsh]

i did no scars i like my heals

[nova oar]

Fair enough

[vast marsh]

am i high or did fountains restore more health in hades 1

[nova oar]

Zag has more health than mel does

[vast marsh]

fair

[crude dragon]

There are incantations to make the fountains heal more

[vast marsh]

my arcana cards are so underleveled it hurts

but imma try 32 heat cause i did it in hades 1 but with hestia with damage control 2

[ebon sigil]

https://c.tenor.com/QUcq_TvmBv0AAAAd/tenor.gif

[vast marsh]

the guy from ur pfp is based

[ebon sigil]

Have you ever considered piracy? You'd make a wonderful Dread Pirate Roberts

[nova oar]

I have a slight feeling you like the princess bride

[vast marsh]

is cardio gain good for moros

[nova oar]

It's not the best but it can work

[gritty jacinth]

why does Chaos use up Yarn but doesn't gain the benefit from it ?

[nova oar]

What?

[elfin heron]

yarn of ariadne, I'm assuming

[sweet cove]

I think they are talking about yarn of Ariadne

[nova oar]

Ah

[sweet cove]

It should elevate the rarity when you chose the chaos boons no?

[elfin heron]

if you have a yarn, all boons should be at least rare/blue, is that not the case?

[blissful fog]

I finally beat Chronos for the second time

[ebon sigil]

Cardio weaker than grisly now.

[ebon sigil]

Yes

[ebon sigil]

You sure it wasn’t rare chaos boons?

[fathom lake]

I mean, its a fixed 20% chance

Cardio its better sometimes still

[civic magnet]

(major spoilers) I'm shaking, ||I just beat Typhon for the first time ||

[vast marsh]

what's the best pet and how do i get it

cause frinos looks at me funny

[umbral tartan]

regarding the content added in the newest patch : || does the game eventually show anywhere time/fear records per aspect for Dream Dives like the record keeper does for normal runs?||

[craggy totem]

It's situational. You'll be able to get them all.

[craggy totem]

I didn't see anything when I checked. The historian does archive your runs, but afaict the record keeper doesn't stat them up separately.

[umbral tartan]

my current goal is doing 34 fear on every aspect ||both ways so naturally id like to expand it to the new content||

[sweet cove]

All runs including chaos trials are categorized as nights so everything is in one big list

[vast marsh]

the normal axe special is the cleanest looking attack of all time

[nova oar]

Why 34

[vast marsh]

specific

is melinoe staff good

[umbral tartan]

frenzy, menace, fangs, shadow, time, rivals are the vows that make the game harder in an interesting way to me as opposed to just odium, and while i could turn off shadow for 32 i already had a bunch of 34 clears so i cant make the record keeper say all 32s

[vague junco]

Is power or attack speed better for sister blades?

[vast marsh]

isn't it mathematically the same if the +% of both is the same

[nova oar]

Atp just go up to 40

[nova oar]

No

Not if boons get involved

[vast marsh]

):

okay

[umbral tartan]

also attack speed stuff interacts with how long you're spending doing damage vs evading/moving

[verbal rampart]

Hi people, I wonder something :

There is new content on Hades 2 but I have a save file already. Do I need to make a new to access the whole new content?

[vast marsh]

im pretty sure you don't need to

[crude dragon]

All 4 Staves are good

[vague junco]

got +3 heroic hephaestus attack on the first zone rn, so busted lol

[vague junco]

plus 100 bonus blast dmg

[crude dragon]

Power, it desperately needs the base damage

[vast marsh]

yea since it's very fast power would be stronger

what's the best type of gain rn?

[crude dragon]

Born

Flood, Cardio, and Lucid are also solid options

[blissful fog]

dang 2 victorious runs in a row 😭

i was 15 hp on this one, but i did it again

[vast marsh]

imo hades was a better boss than chronos

[nova oar]

[verbal rampart]

Hades I had qualities compared to Hades II.

Hades I has better music (in my tastes) and a better story

Hades II has a better gameplay and better designs

Actually this is a damn quality : Hades II didn't make the I obsolete

[verbal rampart]

Bouldy reaction

Also hello, been a long time

[proud swift]

[tranquil wren]

btw how did you get this to happen in the first place? dio nor heracles is saying anything about it to me

[merry whale]

i had to gift bath salt

extremely unclear that i had to do that

but i managed to do it

oh wait yea u have to talk to heracles after an npc encounter, ||mel will invite heracles at some point||

i think my first heracles npc encounter was when mel triggered the dio dialogue, idk exactly how it triggers

[tranquil wren]

ahhh ty

[fathom lake]

Hades 2 has better music in my opinion

[candid nimbus]

I don't remember the melody of most themes in Hades 1 tbh

All Orpheus themes and Hades battle theme are great, though

[prisma monolith]

last words lives in my mind, in repeat

i couldnt be able to pick from the when it comes to music, both got certified bangers, darren you legend

[proud swift]

God of the Dead and Titan of Time are playing in my head on loop constantly.

[verbal rampart]

Quite the opposite for me.
In Hades II I love Sightless Shepherd or Out of Erebus but I don't truly remember the rest

[fathom lake]

my name its self explanatory

[elfin heron]

for me, it's Into Tartarus (Thrashing)

[merry stratus]

It had just occurred to me that I hadn’t noticed an Achievement Pop since I first launched Hades II and I just got on and like 15 Achievements popped simultaneously. Anyone else experienced this?

[elfin heron]

happens if you play offline

[merry stratus]

I do not.

[craggy totem]

@abstract aurora How do you feel about the new art

[merry stratus]

Perhaps the Quick Resume is jamming it up. That would make some sense. Thanks @elfin heron

[abstract aurora]

New art?

Lemme see

1000/10

[elfin heron]

cool art but it seems like both of her hands look normal, where's the ghost arm

[craggy totem]

Well, she weren't born with a ghost arm

[elfin heron]

yeah it was some accident involving ||Icarus|| apparently, she doesn't have the ghost arm in ||the other timeline||

[abstract aurora]

Also, is Melinoe wearing something around her chest...?

Doesn't look like it

[vast marsh]

how do i get a lot of the dust that is used for upgrading arcana cards

[abstract aurora]

||Broker||

[sturdy magnet]

I seem to listen to the soundtrack more than H1

[elfin heron]

buy or order it

do NOT brew it with stardust, stardust is giga rare

also some prophecies give moondust as well

[sturdy magnet]

Most of the Surface route ost are my favorite

[elfin heron]

I believe Olympus is a remix of the Greece theme from 1

[sturdy magnet]

It is

I love the improvement to make it sound more majestic compared to to the soft orchestra representing Persephone’s peaceful cottage.

[fathom lake]

Yeah

[sturdy magnet]

I still jammed to Wrath of the Heavens

[fathom lake]

I love the how much variety the soundtrack has

[fathom lake]

Yeah that one too

[sturdy magnet]

Lots of Synth music

I love how the soundtracks from both game represent our Protagonists’ vibe, journey, and personality

H1 had high energy rock music represented Zagreus’s rebellious personality and H2 synth spooky vibe music represented Melinoë’s role as a witch.

[twin scaffold]

This is a really silly question but has anyone else noticed a voice saying "hey, play [song name]!" At the start of some Scylla fights?

[tranquil wren]

yeah it's Nobody

[elfin heron]

man, everyone's already getting these new Scylla scenes

[sturdy magnet]

That Strategic Nobody

[twin scaffold]

Also I've started killing Scylla first so I can hear her bandmates' backing vocals 🤣 sorry Scylla, but you're the worst singer in your band

[tranquil wren]

that's actually crazy

[sturdy magnet]

Jetty is a pain sometimes

[proud swift]

And the surface music feels more and more unlike hades as you ascend farther from the underworld.

[worthy swift]

Dont think ive ever not had Scylla be the last standing tbh

[tranquil wren]

she has to be, but they just mean for the first phase

[brittle obsidian]

||is there a new statue in the rack next to the keepsakes||

[tranquil wren]

next to the keepsakes? idk, but there is one near the dream dive entrance (hypnos statue)

[sturdy magnet]

That’s true. It has a more majestic feeling

But with Typhon’s. Things get more serious and horrifying

[brittle obsidian]

like the area behind dora, with the new patch there seems to be a place added for another statue/bobblehead

[tranquil wren]

oh the chids

[elfin heron]

yeah there's a new chthonic chid, it's ||Hypnos||

[sturdy magnet]

||I knew it||

[brittle obsidian]

tyty

[tranquil wren]

have to get thirty stickers I think?

[brittle obsidian]

odd since i got 30 already

and spent them

[tranquil wren]

did hypnos also tell you congrats for getting them or nah

[brittle obsidian]

yea

[tranquil wren]

ah then you'll probably get it like next run or so. idk when exactly the purchase triggered for me

but it was around the time I got 30 stars

[radiant shuttle]

How do I increase my friendship with pets?

[brittle obsidian]

feed them the treats

[cursive nacelle]

give more treats, if you cant acquire more pets

[radiant shuttle]

What would that be?

[tranquil wren]

need to unlock and complete the incantation "bravery of familiar spirits"

then feed them witch's delight

[cursive nacelle]

the same that you fed them to acquire the pets

[tranquil wren]

oh yeah you need to have spent at least 4 of the delights to unlock the incantation

[blissful fog]

ok guys i need 4 more zodiac sand to banish chronos or smth

whats that other ingredient u need for that incantation?

[buoyant matrix]

you get that from the surface

[forest hawk]

Love

[blissful fog]

and what is it?

[buoyant matrix]

gets revealed as you win surface runs. it's ||entropy|| if you just want the answer

[blissful fog]

i haven't won a single surface run yet 😭

i never get past prometheus

[limpid stream]

So what’s the community thoughts on ||Dream Dives||

[blissful fog]

i haven't been able to play them yet

[twin scaffold]

Slightly more addictive than actual drugs

[tranquil wren]

I love the shiny stickers

the jar is so cute

[elfin heron]

seems fun but what if you could completely randomize enemy spawns, that could be interesting

[limpid stream]

Heroic Sea Star in Ephyra lets go

[limpid stream]

I agree, for a randomizer it seems a little limited imo

[craggy totem]

I mean, it's clearly not a full bore randomizer -- you even get to pick your loadout :p

[radiant shuttle]

Cronos has a second phase 🤡

[craggy totem]

Chaos be sitting back in their realm like "Hypnos, u weenie grandson of mine, you can do better than that"

[unreal temple]

It's been a lot of fun

Always wanted something like it to be added during EA but I lost hope and then they dropped it out of nowhere in post launch so that's so nice of them

[candid nimbus]

I mean, Chaos randomizes everything but the order, Hypnos does the opposite

Together they have the power of the full random experience ™

[limpid stream]

My build suffered getting it but leaving Ephyra with 55% Sea Star feels good lmao

[radiant shuttle]

What's the best weapon so far?

[jolly wing]

On night 2, what’s the most useful Narcissus gift?

[limpid stream]

What options were you given

[jolly wing]

I want to say it’s the one with Psyche

I could also try for Fate gift

So it’s either Rolls with Fate Fabric or Psyche.

[mint bobcat]

ahhhhh night 3 playing on ps5 and already got inflicted with strife

new save also damn

prob bc i made it to tarturus

[ebon sigil]

tarturus night 3 is good

[dusk dove]

quick question: is ''undo night'' doesn't randomize the dialogue? im trying to get specific medea dialogue to unlock something that i have somehow missed for a really long time

[ebon sigil]

just got to see her again and again... undo night undoes progression

[mint bobcat]

definitely wound up with mirror thrasher cardio gain

[craggy totem]

Undo Night sends you back on the exact same seed.

[mint bobcat]

then got wicked thrasher and went aphro's attack

[craggy totem]

You cannot re-randomize anything just by hitting Undo Night.

[ebon sigil]

even when you get the incantation that changes seed doesn't change conversation progression... you might need to just keep talkign with her on multiple nights

[dusk dove]

so bassicly intentionally fail a run, also i somehow never gotten that dialogue for like 20+ runs, im already at post-end

[ebon sigil]

i mean, if you talk with her, and then die afterwards, that counts as conversation progress, sure

if you care to share, what dialogue are you hoping for?

[dusk dove]

the specific dialogue to try to wake hypnos up a 2nd time

apperently it leads to new content

nvm somehow now i got the dialogue

[ebon sigil]

great to hear it

[royal cradle]

I think I got a bug. I defeated Zagreus, but didn't get any free reward when I reached the next Charon...

[tranquil wren]

I got the dio dialogue, I'll let you know soon if your encounter was bugged

[craggy totem]

Report it in-game with F10, or sling it into #h2-tech-support with as much documentation as you can

[merry whale]

nah i figured it out it wasn't bugged i just didn't realize i was supposed to use the gift option

[dusk dove]

could any of you give me a hint how i can get ||chronos|| and ||zags ||keepsake?

[craggy totem]

0. Finish the game
1. Keep talking to him
2. Beat him up a few times

[ebon sigil]

||beat zag twice, he straight gives it to you... chronos you need to gift him nectar when you see him after hecate. ||

[dusk dove]

thank you

[royal cradle]

Oh wait I've just realized... Did they change the Champion of Elysium thing? Now it says it's prior to each Guardian, but I'm pretty sure it used to be at each Charon shop...

[craggy totem]

No, it's always been endshop only

[royal cradle]

I guess I wasn't paying attention then...

[craggy totem]

I figured you meant the endshop since that's the "next shop" after you hit that fight, but it sounds like not :P

[ebon sigil]

ah, yeah it's always last shop.

Zag is only in mid shops, but his gift is end shop

I might just suck, but Zag often is the boss I take the most damage from 😬

[royal cradle]

His AoE attack is kinda busted. It has insane range, and unless you anticipate it, you often have to iframe through it.

[dusk dove]

just curious, does ||zag damage and hp scale for each region or is always the same?||

[elfin heron]

always the same, so don't fight him too early unless you're really confident

[shut needle]

Or fight like a coward if you have lots of time, just run and shoot back at him, drop casts

[tranquil wren]

ohhhhh lmao gotcha

[merry whale]

ye thx tho

[solemn citrus]

To me, it’s centaur hearts

[jolly wing]

You don’t want early grasp?

[solemn citrus]

The earlier the merrier

[blissful fog]

hmmm

i might try and do a surface run with artemis daggers

[buoyant matrix]

6 silver

[jolly wing]

You can't get Silver on 2nd night

[blissful fog]

omg guys im set for this run

i got the artemis crit upgrade on all attacks and the hermes boon with +40% on all chance-based boons

[buoyant matrix]

success rate is multiplicative not additive

[blissful fog]

huh

[buoyant matrix]

it won't turn a 10% into a 50%
it will turn the 10% into a 14%

[blissful fog]

oh

[craggy totem]

If you reread the Success Rate boon text, it doesn't actually have a + in front of the number

It's sneaky!

[blissful fog]

and i died at prometheus again

i js cant dodge those huge flame swipe attacks bro 😭

[elfin heron]

just pause after each prediction to easier memorize them

[blissful fog]

thats what i've been trying to do

but i just cant get out of the way fast enough and i still get hit

[elfin heron]

e.g. top lane is safe, you pause and say outloud TOP, then unpause and watch the next one, and so on, then at the end you have something like top top middle bottom middle

[elfin heron]

sprint half of the way then dash, you can make it even with no movement speed upgrades

[blissful fog]

i sure hope so 😭

[mint bobcat]

damn forgot how good the va is especially when singing sense i normally dont play with sound on

[blissful fog]

because i need feathers to unlock aspect of morrigan

[buoyant matrix]

i use numbers to memorize the lanes, much easier to process for your brain

[blissful fog]

hollup

are those attacks parryable with artemis daggers?

[elfin heron]

artemis can parry everything, but it's a 10 sec cooldown, so you can only parry one flame

[blissful fog]

oh say less

[elfin heron]

you can dash the flames though start from the left side then just dash into it, gotta time it properly

the flame hitbox is not that big, it just looks scary, but it's basically a fast moving projectile

[raw kraken]

One is but you can dash through them pretty handily

[elfin heron]

if you're super lazy, just take the dark side hex, and activate it, then you don't need to do anything, you're immortal for the entire duration of the attack

won't work every run though

[blissful fog]

hm

can i dodge the flames if my dodge chance is high enough?

[elfin heron]

your dashes have i-frames like in Dark Souls, if you time them correctly you phase through attacks and take no damage

[blissful fog]

i know

but i mean dodge chance from the hasty retreat boon etc

[elfin heron]

the dodge chance is not related to dashes, it's basically X% chance to not take damage

[blissful fog]

i know

[elfin heron]

doesn't matter what you're doing, you will just randomly not take damage

[blissful fog]

im asking if it can also negate the damage of those flames

[elfin heron]

dodge chance works for everything including the flames

[blissful fog]

bet

[turbid jolt]

I’m once again asking if anyone has found the new Heracles dialogue that was teased

I’m so tired of doing surface runs trying to get Icarus final dialogue over with and Heracles new dialogue to occur 🥲

Because that’s the only reason I’m not doing dream dives yet lol

[elfin heron]

Icarus is playing tough to get lmao

if his bond is already unlocked you can just let him be, he will show up at the crossroads after 3 UW runs

[blissful fog]

YESSS I BEAT HIM

PROMETHEUS

i would've been cooked without knuckle bones

[turbid jolt]

I have his bond 100% finished but he just isn’t drinking the potion even when I see him in crossroads he just does nothing

[elfin heron]

oh he will, don't worry about it, it's a crossroads event anyway, at least it was in my case

[turbid jolt]

Crazy to me that nobody has figured out the Heracles dialogue given how hyped that scene in the trailer had people

Inb4 they forgot to add it lol

[elfin heron]

haven't played any surface runs myself yet, but people said to just talk to Heracles and the magic will happen

[turbid jolt]

Again have him maxed and dio maxed and seen him like 5-10 times and dio 3 or 4 times

nothin

[brittle widget]

Wow, crashed during final boss fight, I was winning my second time in the game... spawned again before the run

I lost everything I collected

[blissful fog]

NO I DIED AT TYPHON

[turbid jolt]

Bummer
You’ll make it back there though

[turbid jolt]

That’s heartbreaking

[brittle widget]

Why the hell don't they save before last room?

If something happens mid run, everything lost

[turbid jolt]

it usually saves each room if you quit

But I think wish crashes it’s to prevent people resetting things when it goes south

like if you could just alt f4 whenever the boss has you down to 10% health and just restart the fight it wouldn’t really be a fair test of a successful run

[brittle widget]

I know it's not fair, but it's always a singleplayer game. I mean, I'm on PS5 Pro and it got stuck during second phase chronos

[elfin heron]

even on a console, you could just pull out the power cable to savescum, it's to prevent that

[ebon sigil]

hades wasn't built to be multiplayer.... if they ever do that... and they won't... it will be very hard to balance

[brittle widget]

Really sucks, I was finally beating him second time and had collected many new scrolls and materials

[turbid jolt]

The next run will have largely the same rng because same seed

[ebon sigil]

how did it crash?

[brittle widget]

You sure? Because today I abandoned a run because wrong memento, but when restarted, I had the same god pool at the beginning, but then the rooms were differents. I got hammer second room, but before quitting, there was no hammer

[brittle widget]

Simply spamming my daggers behind chronos, suddendly stuck, black screen, home

[ebon sigil]

the seed plays out slightly different depending on how much time you take to beat a room and how much damage, ect

[ebon sigil]

dang... hope they patch that. I've never crashed on switch

[brittle widget]

Well then I'm not gonna have same seed

I mean, I had found new god scrolls, marble, lots of souls with frog

[turbid jolt]

I mean it’s not ever exactly the same but the first few rooms will be same so yo can go for the same general build that worked for you before

[ebon sigil]

if you spill milk, no use crying over it

[turbid jolt]

it’s really annoying to lose that progress but you’ll get it back quickly

[blissful fog]

phew im happy i finally got a feather

[turbid jolt]

Crashes are quite rare

[blissful fog]

now to find a way to beat typhon

[brittle widget]

Yeah, I mean, it's just 20 minutes, not hours

[turbid jolt]

Good luck lol he really sucks the first couple tries til you learn his attacks

[brittle widget]

Oh, I also had killed scylla and got first nightmare

[ebon sigil]

get back in their soldier!

[blissful fog]

yeah i think i got him halfway before i started struggling

because he started looking scarred or smth

[turbid jolt]

How do I tag spoilers btw

[ebon sigil]

you got him, next time

[brittle widget]

I reached typhoon just once, probably got him half life, zeus spawned for animation and then died after few seconds, probably his second phase

[ebon sigil]

two verticle lines on either side of your text. ||

[blissful fog]

uhh select ur text and click the eye, or the || on each side of ur text

[turbid jolt]

I was really surprised with typhon to find that ||they never give you an incantation to show his health bar||

[blissful fog]

fr

its pretty annoying

[ebon sigil]

they did an interview recently, and said they don't plan to add it later

[turbid jolt]

Like it’s not really a gimmick that ads anything to the game once you’ve beat it a few times

[elfin heron]

you should take worry free for Typhon, this way no one has a health bar and the whole fight is just based on vibes

[ebon sigil]

Worry free turns into full of worry for most people

[blissful fog]

i took it once

prometheus clapped me

[turbid jolt]

I have a 50% success rate with worry free

balanced

[blissful fog]

but tbh

[turbid jolt]

I had worry free plus the aphro boons that heal you

[blissful fog]

the reason i came this far during this run is because i had almost 30% dodge chance

[turbid jolt]

So stressful- you’re either FINE or you’re really not once you dip below and now at to tell

No way^

[elfin heron]

I mean, it's fine, the game has no active healing anyway (outside of moon water), so what does it matter if you're low or not

[turbid jolt]

there’s healing on ares boons too, and nergal

and staff hammer

but knowing if I can take 1 hit or 3 hits or 0 hits is a big deal for how much of a coward I play

[elfin heron]

I even turned off the low health visual effect in the options, because I can't do anything about it when I'm low, so what's the point

[turbid jolt]

Play safe until next fountain

[elfin heron]

you should always lock in

[turbid jolt]

Like there’s definitely a different level of risk taking

[turbid jolt]

I’m not a robot lol it changes my behaviour knowing

Especially if you aren’t running scars and use the heal on room exit arcana, and trusty shield, you can play a little differently knowing you can tank a little damage every room

Like I don’t play as if I had 1hp always, even if I ofc don’t want to get hit

[elfin heron]

I pretty much only tank when I have a lot of hp left and I know this is the last phase, so I just burst them down for better time

that aphro boon that auto-heals you to full on every room transition also encourages face tanking, it's a bit of a trap, it trains you to play worse

[jolly wing]

WTF, Nightmare spawned at final Charon shop pn Night 2?!

[turbid jolt]

yeah it can

Very pricy

[shut needle]

Same though that is terrible training too lol

[jolly wing]

2800 Gold!

[shut needle]

Let's be honest we all had nightmares about fighting Charon, it is so fitting he can sell them

[turbid jolt]

When progressing from the start i always like to try to bring crazy gold to final shop in case of nightmare or moon dust

Once you maxed everything no real point to

[elfin heron]

you've replayed the whole game multiple times?

[turbid jolt]

Yeah lol

I played it through in early access first, then when warsong came out again. Then again when 1.0 came out

[elfin heron]

woah that's a lot, you probably have like 500-1k hours

[turbid jolt]

probably closer to 500 but yeah

Maybe less

Like I probably did 550 runs across all playthroughs?

[jolly wing]

Do you try to get Poseidon Sea Star and Buried Treasure in nearly every run starting out?

[turbid jolt]

Yeah if possible

I kind of made it my goal in the 1.0 release to finish the game in as few runs as possible

[jolly wing]

I'm doing the same thing for Patch 2

I got 6 Nectar in Night 2.

[turbid jolt]

So I think I didn’t have a single failed until the very last testament which took 2 tries. And then failed Great Chaos Above a handful of times before i could clear it

[jolly wing]

And 60 Psyche

[turbid jolt]

i think yoi could do it in less runs if you were a god and just cranked up the fear straigjt away to get multile testaments per run

But theyre hard enough to do without max weapon upgrades imo

withou trying to jump straigjt to fear in the 20s Or 30s

[jolly wing]

Do you mean getting more Nightmare materials early?

[turbid jolt]

Yes

[elfin heron]

you can't do multiple testaments though?

[turbid jolt]

You can

[jolly wing]

I think you can only do one testament at a time, even if you max out fear.

[turbid jolt]

I’ve done 2 at once before

[jolly wing]

I used to max out fear before V1.0

[elfin heron]

later testaments give 2 and even 3 nightmare, that's normal

[turbid jolt]

No I mean you can get nightmare for say, Hecate and then Chronos

[elfin heron]

but the board only shows one boss, and the next one will be from the opposite route anyway

[turbid jolt]

At least you could previously. If you jumped up to the amount of fear you needed for the next testament in the same weapon

[jolly wing]

I'm on Night 3. I have access to Charon's Obol points.

What should I use it on now?

[turbid jolt]

maybe this occurred before they rejigged the testaments

[elfin heron]

psyche, I would say, to get more grasp sooner

[turbid jolt]

because they used to be in a different order

[turbid jolt]

highly recommend saving them for nightmare if you are not struggling to clear with low grasp

[jolly wing]

Nightmare is not hard to get, though I wish I could get more Moondust early

[turbid jolt]

But psyche and ashes are the most efficient use of loyalty cards to bones ration

[turbid jolt]

You can’t max all weapons from only testaments though so you need to purchase like 12 nightmare eventually

[jolly wing]

Now I know in my current fresh run to give Hypnos nectar early.

Last time, it took me until ~Night 40 to consider giving him Nectar...

[crude dragon]

I basically always have a Psyche delivery running because of how important upping your max Grasp is

[jolly wing]

Hmmm, I have 0 Fate Fabric.

Do I want to order it on Night 3?

[turbid jolt]

Yo I just checked

[crude dragon]

Nah, you get plenty from the Broker

[turbid jolt]

Staff is 6 runs to get all testaments if you wanted to

Blades is 7

[jolly wing]

I finally have access to Cauldron

The three options are

• Dissolution of Time
• Fated Invention
• Night's Craftwork

I can only unlock the 3rd one....

[turbid jolt]

Flames is 6

[crude dragon]

Well, you're going to need that third one

[turbid jolt]

Fate fabric is probably more efficient to buy with bones

[elfin heron]

it's 8 runs for every weapon, what are you talking about

[jolly wing]

What god becomes available on Night 3? or What becomes available on Night 3?

I forgot

[agile shoal]

Is if just me or is || dream dive final boss scylla way too powerful and needs a nerf||

[turbid jolt]

No you can literally get 2 in a row still

[crude dragon]

If you've seen the other 6, Zeus should be available now

[turbid jolt]

because the testaments do not all swap surface and underworld

Only some of them do

If you ramp up fear to the following testament that is in the same run it assigns it straight away

[crude dragon]

I mean, Unrivaled Sirens were already the second-hardest boss in the game, makes sense that ||given final boss scaling, it's just a nightmare||

[elfin heron]

are you sure it works that way? thought you had to circle the portrait on the board, otherwise fear does nothing

[turbid jolt]

I’ve made it work before. Checked a reddit thread and I’m not alone in this. Checked wiki and it still dosnt swap surface and underworld every time

basically your testament is assigned as soon as you complete the last one, you don’t need to see the board

[crude dragon]

You'd only be able to do that if you had two Testaments for a weapon lined up along the same run, which would mean you've likely exhausted another weapon's bounties

[turbid jolt]

literally the first 2 testaments on staff are able to be claimed in 1 run if you just jump to 2 fear according to wiki

And a bunch of similar things

[crude dragon]

I do not trust Fandom

[jolly wing]

Wooo,

I can activate

• Enchantress
• Boatman
• Champions

Arcanas by night 3

[turbid jolt]

idk what other weapon bounties have to do with it lol.

But I know it at least used to work cause it’s happened to me before, back in ?warsong? Patch I think

[crude dragon]

But is Fates also unlocked?

Because there's not much point to turn on the full reroll corner without its reward

[jolly wing]

I'm starting Night 3....

I need to beat Surface for Fates arcana

[crude dragon]

I honestly would turn off Enchantress and Champions, then. 2 dice isn't worth 7 Grasp

[jolly wing]

It is for getting Poseidon Sea Star and Buried Treasure

[turbid jolt]

You don’t need surface for fates arcana do you

just enough ashes to expand the board

[jolly wing]

The requirement includes Wool

[turbid jolt]

Ah

[rotund otter]

Where you get this info from?

[jolly wing]

Can you get Arachne's Onyx Dress on Night 3?

[turbid jolt]

yes I think so

I don’t think it’s one that’s locked behind anything

That’s the fare fabric one right

[jolly wing]

Though the 3 extra Silver is more useful, right?

[loud moat]

Hey guys i heard about a new gamemode but i dont see any official announcements or anything. Is it a big update? Or just a secret thing?

[turbid jolt]

From narcissus? Yes it’s useful for upgrading Mel weapons

[jolly wing]

From Arachne's room.

[turbid jolt]

That’s random chance

but yeah silver is valuable almost as much as psyche early

[turbid jolt]

Minor balance and a new randomise game mode you unlock through Hypnos story

[loud moat]

Alr cool

[elfin heron]

Ares rebalanced/reworked, most characters got new events, various NPCs like Arachne and Narcissus now have narrated endings with slides a la the epilogue ending, you can rewatch these in the fated list, dream dive mode (biome randomizer) as the reward for waking up Hypnos

[proud swift]

https://x.com/SupergiantGames/status/2042643527042249194

[rotund otter]

Ok thanks

[jolly wing]

How many total ash do you need for all 25 Arcana?

[turbid jolt]

Quick maths… 687?

and you need a few ash for cauldron stuff too

never need to prioritise ash over bones as they’ll remain useful longer basically

[odd sparrow]

it’d be so cool if there was a variant of ||dream dives|| [POST GAME SPOILER] that is an infinite mode

[proud swift]

Hey the game's called Hades not Sisyphus. 😂

[odd sparrow]

ey i wanna push a boulder for the rest of time

[shut needle]

One must imagine him happy

[turbid jolt]

Agreed. I also would love for ||chaos above/below that has adjustable heat amounts, or fear and/or load out randomisation in dream dive||

[shut needle]

Wish all we like I wasn't expecting this much this update and I was one of the ones expecting more than most
Rip custom runs

[odd sparrow]

honestly though i don’t think anybody saw a whole new bonus mode coming

[turbid jolt]

I don’t think dream dives will kill regular runs

[jolly wing]

What are rewards for Dream Dives?

Is that post game content?

[shut needle]

Maybe we should have Frinos did look kinda dreamy in the trailer. I need to go watch it again for any more clues dream mode may have been coming... and only for that reason 🐾
Speed runners love it I'm sure but I miss the characters talking

[turbid jolt]

because speedrun dream dives or making it at increasingly high fear is just.. even more dependent on rng than regular hades

[jolly wing]

If I have 260 Ash in the beginning of Night 3, should I prioritize Ash or Bones more?

130 left.

[turbid jolt]

bones

[shut needle]

Yes post game, you get stars for more cosmetics and the feeling of accomplishment

[turbid jolt]

as long as you’re not failing runs before getting nightmare, you’re slowing down your later progression by not prioritising only bones/nightmare/moon dust/stardust basically

[shut needle]

If you go high enough Fear you get those free drops in the last zones

[turbid jolt]

Yeah

[digital geode]

After my next run I'll be able to traverse the ||surface|| instead of dying 3 rooms in

[turbid jolt]

12 fear is definitely worth it always as soon as you unlock that incantation

But I think I unlocked it after I already maxed out most everything lol

[shut needle]

EA PAAAAIIIIN

[brisk bison]

I put Hades 2 into Tomodachi Life lol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849525788005236766/1494515718102843452/PXL_20260417_015144382.RAW-01.jpg?ex=69e2e3b9&is=69e19239&hm=b3a37b8315c4e09a450ba81ca6e54ff8bbbd49e2e3e8be1440d3529328f082ff&

[shut needle]

Oh so many surprises awaiting you~

[digital geode]

The 1 thing I think is halting my progression is that I can't get the materials needed to get aspects

That's like one of the few things holding me back

[shut needle]

Not that you need them they are pretty much all side grades
Know where to find it all tho?

[digital geode]

Well I have to unlock and perform the incantation but that requires bronze, something I only found on the surface

[shut needle]

Like skelly said throw yourself at it

[digital geode]

After my next run for sure

I need a certain Ingredient that has to be grown for a certain Incantation

[crude dragon]

No, you need them because it's also the incantation that lets you upgrade the Mel aspects

[reef sail]

The inventory gives you a clue about how to get that ingredient

If you’re not sure how to get it

[proper seal]

Winner Circle so good

glad it got reworked

[digital geode]

...HOW?!

Just as I went on that run I beat ||Chronos|| with daggers, absolutely melted his health with Hestia Attack

[reef sail]

He’s weak to being killed

[digital geode]

You're right I didn't need aspects to beat him

[digital geode]

Really gimmicky fight but it was fun

[prisma ether]

Can someone gift me.hades 1 it's on sale too I can't buy 😿

[crude dragon]

Lemme think about it

I have thought about it. No.

:3

[solemn citrus]

You know what’s a good gaming feeling: Athena comes crashing down to the chamber, knocking every single enemy in it.

[prisma ether]

😿

[solemn citrus]

Afterwards, she’ll give you the best boons in the game

I also like her character dev, she makes you feel protected

[jolly wing]

Yes, I have 18 Silver in Night 3!

[solemn citrus]

And I’ve just beat Prometheus/Hercules, wow…what a fight

Barely survived that one

[twilit swan]

ask your parents dude

H1 is 3$ for me, i can buy something for my sister instead, and they will remember it at least

[prisma ether]

They don't give

I tried

[prisma ether]

I will remember too vro😿

[twilit swan]

try harder

[prisma ether]

I did

[twilit swan]

you did not

[prisma ether]

I tried they don't give any game

[twilit swan]

how old are you dude?

[nova oar]

Leave it before the mods get involved or whatever

[hushed cloak]

||CIRCE|| CAN PULL JUDGEMENT?????? WHAT

WHEEZE

[nova oar]

You didn't know this?

Pisses me off when she does tho

Idk I hate judgement in general

[hushed cloak]

its free arcana cards babey

also i thought that the cards could only be activated when theyre eligible to be active or wtv

[nova oar]

Nah circe can hit almost all of them (except the ones that can't be manually activated)

[hushed cloak]

well i mean judgement activates when you have like 3 or less arcana or wtv

thats why i thought it didnt work

[nova oar]

Yeah I suppose

Maybe I have it wrong and circe can just hit anything

[twilit swan]

true, its probably just a kid

and i think still, that H1 and H2 are at least 14+ games

[reef sail]

Not ||scylla|| commenting on my arachne silk

[tacit temple]

goddammit am I really debating buying Hades 2 a second time just to play it on PS5

[gritty jacinth]

pretty sure I've seen plenty of common chaos boons even with yarn of ariadne

[tacit temple]

I REALLY wish it had cross save

cause I really wanna play it on here

mainly to talk to my friends and have it it be with my other games

but I really dont know if I wanna start over man

[hushed cloak]

frenzy 2 is bruuuuuuuuuutal, especially ||typhon's sweeping attack||

[trim comet]

Y'all I just looked at a fountain and said "Poseidon be like" I'm no cooked 😭

[wide wigeon]

the patch is 4.5GB?? holyyyy

[wide wigeon]

you can do it, fresh file run

[nova oar]

You get used to it

[hushed cloak]

most definitely, thats why im never taking it off from now on

doesnt mean that its not a pain in the butt

[nova oar]

Fr

[wide wigeon]

you get to a point where you dont even see the difference

[prisma monolith]

Anyone got a clip of eris mocking artemis singing?

[wide wigeon]

the normal one gets slower

[torn wind]

R3 ||dream dive|| rivals chronos got hands

[candid nimbus]

MoOnLiGhT gUiDe YoU hOmE tOnIgHt

[prisma monolith]

Is glorious, I need a clip of it

[jolly wing]

Night 4,

What should I get with Obol?

Psyche or Fate Fabric?

I was able to unlock Fated Invervention incancation.

[hushed cloak]

psyche, you wanna get your grasp up as fast as possible

[jolly wing]

Grasp is now 16.

55 Psyche leftover.

[torn wind]

So the fact rivals chronos ||is harder in region 3 dream dive than base game is absurd||

They said "||hey so... contender for hardest boss in the game... what if he was as hard at an earlier point than you'd normally fight him||"

[jolly wing]

I also unlocked Tablet of Peace. Should I still order Psyche with OBOL?

[prisma monolith]

If you need it

[nova oar]

Is the scaling that bad?

[torn wind]

Can I DM something

[nova oar]

Go for it

[crude dragon]

You can never have too much Grasp

[prisma monolith]

Im glad the underworld scales in dives, makes it not be a joke compared to normal

[prisma monolith]

Thats.. not true

[jolly wing]

Hmmm onto Night 4.

Deciding weapons amongst Staff, Knives, and Torch.

[crude dragon]

The only time you have too much Grasp is when you're at 30
And even then, it's "just enough"

[prisma monolith]

Exactly

[crude dragon]

Which one hasn't been to Hecate?

[jolly wing]

Knives and Torch

[crude dragon]

Do one of them

[jolly wing]

I think I'll start with Knives.

I'll save Torch for Night 5, when Zeus appears.

[jolly wing]

Right, I can always buy Fabric

Hehe, I was able to get all 3 after Night 3 on my new run.

[hushed cloak]

every time i see an ares boon im like do i actually want ares in my god pool and then i remember grisly gain exists and i pick him up

[candid nimbus]

Grisly Gain feels like an actual Magick Regen now

[hushed cloak]

even if it wasnt i wouldnt give a damn

free plasma is crazy

[merry whale]

yea grisly powered my fine line moros extremely goodly

it's so peak

[hushed cloak]

wait, does grisly gain make ALL plasma drops grant magick or is it just the ones from the boon itself?

[candid nimbus]

All plasma drops

The ones from Visceral Impact also recover Magick

[hushed cloak]

awesome

[candid nimbus]

Sanguinary Savor with Profuse Bleeding is just so funny

Yes, please, gather the plasma so I'm surrounded by falling swords

[radiant shuttle]

I managed to kill Cronos.

[hushed cloak]

hell yeah

the first of many, im sure

[wide wigeon]

did yhey nerf medeaa

also what is this devil symbol on top of chamber rewards now

js to show its the room before the region boss?

[hushed cloak]

yep

[prisma monolith]

Yeah no need to keep track if its the midshop or not, if it doesnt have the symbol it is

[nova oar]

No

[wide wigeon]

did they polish the visuals

the game looks better

[radiant shuttle]

What I like about this game is how you progress and face the bosses, until you reach the point where you can easily defeat them.

I've already been playing this game for 15 hours.

[reef sail]

How far have you gotten?

Oh, I just scrolled up

[prisma monolith]

When's the last time you played?

Compared to early access, yeah

[wide wigeon]

been a week maybe

[prisma monolith]

Then no

[wide wigeon]

I gave my laptop a break lmao that's prolly why

[night acorn]

I heard there debuff if you go far in first runs is it true?

[radiant shuttle]

I killed Cronos and reached Olympus.

[prisma monolith]

Yes

[reef sail]

Olympus boss is nutty

[reef sail]

Dang they didn’t like people doing fresh file huh

[night acorn]

Is it also in h1 ?

[hushed cloak]

it IS a roguelike

[night acorn]

not related

Making the game has artificial difficulty not great idea

[hushed cloak]

i mean it doesnt stick around for long, and isnt too impactful unless you're actively attempting to beat the game on your first attempt

it does kinda suck but like, not the end of the world

[wide wigeon]

first 9 runs maybe 10

[wide wigeon]

it sucks I hated it but I felt amazing once I beat fresh file

[nova oar]

It's the best way to do it that makes everyone happy

[spark stag]

hey y'all is the patch 2 new item ||Shiny Stars|| showing up in two inventories tabs at once?

[prisma monolith]

No

[prisma monolith]

Its not really about the roguelike. Its the devs trying to tell their story, and if you win too fast it kinda throws things a bit

Which is understandable as much as I hate the system

[reef sail]

Even with my first win at 20 nights I feel like I probably missed a lot of dialogue

[prisma monolith]

Eh, you'll be fine for the most part

[night acorn]

Not really making it optional would be

[nova oar]

It is optional, you can play and finish the ending without it

[night acorn]

Isn’t forced in the first runs?

[prisma monolith]

Its not optional tho, in the first 10 runs she shows up

You might sort of work around it, but the work around is arguably worse most of the time

[prisma monolith]

Isnt the biggest of deals, its only 10 runs after all

[nova oar]

Oh we're talking about eris, not fear

[prisma monolith]

Yes

[nova oar]

It's there for a reason

[prisma monolith]

I know, that doesnt mean i have to like it

[wide wigeon]

you can dodge her so its fine

no its not

[prisma monolith]

Not the boss

[wide wigeon]

im talking fresh file

[prisma monolith]

Yeah

Dodging her effectively kills you too, new players dont have the skills to survive that low

That's if they even know how to dodge her

[wide wigeon]

do you know how hard it is to get deliberately hit and js the right amount? the hatred i have for eris for making me do that knows no bounds

[prisma monolith]

I think is a bad system, but I still understand the intention behind it

[wide wigeon]

beach ball came in clutch my boy apollo and unc poseidon

[night acorn]

Ik it is has limits (from the up messages) but it feels it steals the player effort instead of rewarding them

[prisma monolith]

I know, I agree with you, I dont like it either

But oh well 🤷‍♂️ it also isnt that bad

Lot of players never even saw her

[night acorn]

Really?

[wide wigeon]

yes i found out the hard way that this exists

[spark stag]

during early EA she didn't even offer extra mats, just the "buff"

[night acorn]

The game is sequel so the experience transferred no ?

[spark stag]

think they changed that and she dumped all the mats you're supposed to get at once after a certain patch

[prisma monolith]

Its only 10 runs if you get too far, so if you die early for 10 runs you never seen her

[prisma monolith]

Yes and no

[wide wigeon]

no such thing as an eris in hades 1

[prisma monolith]

Just cause is a sequel doesnt mean it has to be the exact same

[wide wigeon]

also the boons you get fresh file are kinda mid ion like apollo im sorry

[prisma monolith]

Erm, akshually, yes theres eris is hades 1 🤓

[wide wigeon]

alright railgun aspect okay

[loud anchor]

Ahhhhh
I love Meli & Moros sm!!!!!

And Icarus too

[wide wigeon]

did they add more in the patch or nah

[prisma monolith]

Most of the core gameplay and mechanics transferred but they also added tons of new mechanics

[loud anchor]

I don’t think so…

[loud anchor]

These are are too hot together

[prisma monolith]

More scenes, I dont think outside of heracles, but they did make it infinite now so I guess that counts?

[wide wigeon]

going steady lets go is it good

[loud anchor]

Yeah

[wide wigeon]

• Going Steady: Characters with whom Melinoë can have non-Platonic relations may occasionally show interest in continuing to have such relations.

[prisma monolith]

Yeah it just means you can keep having sex just like in h1

Before this patch it was a one and done

[wide wigeon]

in the fields again? i want her in the tent

[loud anchor]

Hell yeah!

Let’s go!

[prisma monolith]

I think nemesis is always outsidd

[wide wigeon]

too shy for the crossroads

[prisma monolith]

Nemesis is a groaner for sure

[night acorn]

This what i mean you already know the core gameplay like 3-6 runs to know the new things and then start winning unless i am missing something

[wide wigeon]

i didnt get to chronos until well after 10 nights

[prisma monolith]

At that point its only 4 more runs

[nova oar]

Most players take anywhere from around 15-40 nights to get their first win

[prisma monolith]

It wont be changed, just chuck it up and dodge

I dont like it either but it is what it is, is just 10 runs

[wide wigeon]

beating hades does not translate to beating his dad

[spark stag]

the final boss difficulty spike is very spicy in both games I feel like (even without the "blessing" of strife)

[night acorn]

i would understand for new players but coming from sequel make the experience easier no ?

Like already knowing the core things

[prisma monolith]

Everyone is a new player at one point, even if you played h1. And again, isnt about difficulty, the system is there for story purposes

Its to try and keep the story cohesive

[night acorn]

Isn’t better solution to make the story repeat ?

[prisma monolith]

Matter of fact the system is aimed at skilled players. People who aren't so good wont even experience it

[nova oar]

I was a pretty solid h1 player and I never saw eris, even tho i beat chronos night 13

[prisma monolith]

No? Wtf i wouldn't want to repeat the story

[nova oar]

All it does is make the story more enjoyable

[night acorn]

I mean as choice

[prisma monolith]

No, thats not a good solution

[nova oar]

Yeah it's annoying but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the runs needed for true ending

[spark stag]

darn, I saw eris regularly since night 2 but only beat chronos night 14

[prisma monolith]

We can keep going in circles here, idk what youre trying to accomplish, it wont be changed, as someone who agrees with you, is still not bad

[spark stag]

I remembered wrong lol night 15 & 16 were the "cursed" surface runs

[prisma monolith]

Most players wont even see her, shes there for story purposes, thats all

[wide wigeon]

thats actually so impressive 😭 never knew eris shows up

until i started running fresh file

[prisma monolith]

I saw her from like night 4 onwards

[spark stag]

night 2 was like this singing boss is actually the coolest ever and I'm so gonna lose here

[prisma monolith]

Id see a big deal if it was a bunch of runs, is literally just 10, or potentially less

[nova oar]

Exactly

[prisma monolith]

I dont like it, but is whatever, just 10 or less runs, world wont end

[wide wigeon]

its 10 she shows up on lower and lower regions as the nights go on

[nova oar]

Fr

[dusk dove]

is ||third dream vapor|| from medea?

[spark stag]

yes talk to medea to unlock the incantation, or did you already unlock it but need the mat?

[dusk dove]

i did the 2nd dream vapor incantation, i dont think i got the mat yet

[spark stag]

medea will give you the third incantation

[spare wind]

Well that's 20 chaos trials done finally

[radiant shuttle]

I killed Cronos again.

[prisma monolith]

Not to be confused with Cronus, or Chronos

[radiant ore]

so like\

im palyind dream dives and jad the athena keepsake

she comes and goes "we need to talk" but becaus eits dream dives theres no interactions

so if i see her aggain will i miss anything?

this is more like a scenario code thing i guess

[prisma monolith]

The we need to talk is just a generic dialogue she can say when she spawns

[dusky mountain]

does anybody know when you get familiars?

14h in, still dont have the incantation to craft the cookies for the familiars

[red fox]

How many time you talk to your frog friends

[torn wind]

People really out here not confiding in frinos

[prisma monolith]

Criminal really, same kind of people who dont pet cerb, couldnt be me

[reef sail]

You sure you deserve them 😭

[torn wind]

The fact I couldn’t ||pet dream dive Cerb made me kinda sad||

[radiant shuttle]

How can I get more of those "skull biscuits" to recruit pets?

I only have 3 left, but I've already used all 3.

[torn wind]

There should be a recipe at the cauldron, otherwise the unlocks will be related to Hecate

[radiant shuttle]

There's nothing there.

[torn wind]

Well then you’re gonna just have to keep talking to Hecate

I’m assuming the familiars you have are Frinos Raki and Toula

The frog, raven and cat?

The last to are related to her and do you just have to keep doing runs and such

Just play the game as you normally would

The unlocks are mostly designed to be found just by playing the game as you normally would

[spare wind]

How do you get the great chaos below trial guys? Do i have to finish all the trials first?

[reef sail]

For me the recipe to make more didn’t show up until the conversation chain with hecate started, where she mentions the dog and polecat

[spare wind]

39/50 achivements so far
2 more I'll be getting in a few minutes
Then after a few more it's the hardest ones left

[dusk dove]

post ending question: ||after you successfully wake hypnos up, what to do next to unlock a new gamemode?||

[spare wind]

I got a question before that || how many times do I need to do the dream thing because it's the 2nd time and it failed again
Medea rarely comes to talk to||

[dusk dove]

||you only need to use dream vapor 3 times to wake him up, you just need one more|| also after you done dont forget to claim minor prophecy

forgot to mention: for the last one you need to finish the game to get it

[spare wind]

Alright I'll do it again i just closed the game do you get the dream vapour as a recipe or i have to talk to medea again

[spare wind]

It's a long while since I finished the game completing this now lol

Have done the epilogue aswell

[dusk dove]

talk to medea again, if you are in a rush, could just have max pain and speed vows if you dont get her room or unable to get the specific dialogue

[sacred wyvern]

Hey, does anyone else use a lot of Omega Specials with the staff and say "hadouken" every time?

[spare wind]

I might just do that xD

[sacred wyvern]

Is that just me telling on myself?

[spare wind]

Talking about achivements which do you guys think is the hardest?

[dusk dove]

what the hell is ''great chaos below'' trial

[spare wind]

There's an achievement
Clear the 'Great Chaos Below' Trial

[nova oar]

Probably the stuff around gcb

[torn wind]

Basically the original randomized run

[spare wind]

What's gcb

[tired iris]

Prometheus ||AND HERACLES?!|| This game is good, but despite a lot of improvements is really not measuring up to the actual experience of playing H1. The difficulty just makes it more stressful than fun.

[spare wind]

Oh trial mb

[nova oar]

Great chaos below

[torn wind]

Great chaos below

Great chaos below is random weapon, arcana, familiar, keepsake and randomized 20 fear

[spare wind]

Is it a hard trial? Don't want anything else spoilers

[nova oar]

Huh?

[nova oar]

Can be yeah

[spare wind]

Tat doesn't sound that bad tbh

Oh randomised arcana hmm

[torn wind]

And a random keepsake every region