h2-discussion

[torn wind]

People play it like a faster Mel axe when it should be a lawnmower

[spring thistle]

Have you considered I have atrocious luck

[glacial light]

Twinnnn

[spring thistle]

I once reached typhon with only common boons

[spring thistle]

[glacial light]

That's pretty common

[spring thistle]

Sadly I was killed

[torn wind]

Lawnmower Thanatos spamming omega attack is peak

[spring thistle]

BUT I LIVED

[torn wind]

The 20% crit chance is huge

[nova oar]

Thanatos ocast builds my beloved

[crude dragon]

I mean, you can do either or, depending on hammers

[torn wind]

Oh definitely but I just find one funnier

Gotta cut the grandpa grass down

[crude dragon]

Don't forget that you can play it as Charon with crit if you get the right hammers, too

[torn wind]

#1217110523091357747 message

Jao playing Charon without the Charon

Just playing it as a no-aspect axe

[lean bronze]

yes i am
Losing my 55f right at the end is painful
I think ill be doing some ffs before i get back to it

[torn wind]

Scylla is also like top 3 hardest bosses and Hecate is hard because you’re fighting timer if you didn’t get any skips in Erebus and got bad rooms

Hecate wouldn’t be such a common spot to lose a run if the timer didn’t exist

Hordes + return + fangs + menace can make some genuinely brutal combinations in Erebus

I maintain that high fear Erebus is one of the hardest things in the game just because of how small the window for error is with timer unless you’re really good at the game

[lean bronze]

high fear erebus and high fear olympus are absolutely brutal
Summit is fine compared to olympus honestly

[torn wind]

Yeah Olympus is the timeout region of surface easily

[nova oar]

That or olympus

[torn wind]

With how long the Promacles fight takes

[nova oar]

But I'd agree, 90% of my 62 runs died in erebus

[lean bronze]

not just timeout
The normal encounters in high fear olympus are all boss fights in their own way

[torn wind]

It’s so easy to lose a 8 minute Thessaly exit to timer in Olympus

And yeah Olympus enemies also hit like a truck

[proud swift]

Definitely. If you can beat the timer on Olympus and reach Summit then five minutes should be plenty.

[nova oar]

The problem is exiting prom at 15 minutes

Cause while typhon isn't too hard it can be a pretty long fight

[lean bronze]

I honestly had a really good pace on my 55
2mins left on clock at dying to typhon and 1 min left on promecles exit

[last cloak]

is there a way to easily reset seed without dying

ik there isn’t really one in h1

[red fox]

After you finish the game

Yes

[last cloak]

ah

[torn wind]

Yeah beating the game unlocks the ability to randomize seed

[last cloak]

im nowhere close to that lol

[torn wind]

I think you have to reach epilogue

[nova oar]

Yeah it's epilogue

[torn wind]

Which really only takes like 12 wins

[nova oar]

14*

[last cloak]

i can barely get out of the first area inconsistently

[nova oar]

Plus whatever runs are needed to actually get the prerequisites

[torn wind]

Well best you can do to modify a seed then is take a different god keepsake to change your god pool

[nova oar]

Different seeds aren't gonna help with that too much tbh

[last cloak]

h1 i can get to elysium almost always and the one after pretty often

[nova oar]

Oh you haven't finished the first game yet?

[torn wind]

H2 gives you a lot more stuff to crutch on pretty early on

[last cloak]

ik, i just don’t always find the boons the game starts me with fun to play with

[last cloak]

no, but i have reached the final boss 4 times

[nova oar]

Cast alone can just stop almost every enemy in erebus

[last cloak]

i’ve never been good at these kinds of games, but it’s fun so idc

[nova oar]

You might not be taking the right boons for the right weapins

Just a learning experience

[last cloak]

yeah

[cerulean night]

Uh so I’m in mount olympus after getting the true ending, what does the scroll in the Charon shop do?
I don’t like that “terms apply…”

[nova oar]

Just accept, nothing bad will happen :3

[torn wind]

Why not do it and find out

You’re in Olympus you’re likely way stronger than enough to deal with it

[cerulean night]

My run is kinda fragile rn

[last cloak]

in fact, i’ll go try a couple more runs of h1 just so i feel better about my skill level

[torn wind]

Like that’s legit the easiest time to get that in a mid shop

[nova oar]

I would recommend against playing both at the same time, it's gonna really mess up your muscle memory and make both games harder

[cerulean night]

Guess I’m just gonna yolo

OH

[nova oar]

LMAO

[cerulean night]

OMG

[torn wind]

If you played H1 you’d have known what was gonna happen

Don’t spoil it though

[last cloak]

yeah well im pretty close to beating h1 so imma try to beat that before making much more progress in h2

[nova oar]

Yeah btw @last cloak if you don't want to be spoiled then head over to #h2-for-new-players

[last cloak]

good idea, ty

[cerulean night]

Oh it actually makes a lot of sense now that I think about it

[torn wind]

Well this also should be a spoiler free chat

[nova oar]

You haven't even beaten hades once yet tho

Unless you're not going for the ending

[last cloak]

is beating hades once not beating it?

damn

[torn wind]

Credits is “beating the game”

[nova oar]

Nah, you gotta beat him 10 times to reach the credits

[last cloak]

well since i haven’t done it nor seen it done i didn’t realize that credits didn’t play after once

[nova oar]

And after that there's an epilogue

[last cloak]

or rather i have seen it done but by a player who’s beaten everything already

anyway imma go play some h1

cya, have a great life

[cerulean night]

HE HAS YOU KNOW WHAT

[nova oar]

You're experiencing peak

[cerulean night]

Well there 2 of my death deficiencies

[last cloak]

@nova oar i think the reason im not having quite as much fun in h2 as h1 is that i haven’t gotten a weapon that i just click with like the shield of zeus from h1, the closest ive unlocked so far is the axe

[cerulean night]

BRUH I HAD A HERMES DELIVERY BUT I CLAIMED THE REWARD FIRST AND IT DIDNT LET ME GET THE FOOD

[last cloak]

like i loved the shield from when i first unlocked it, and zeus aspect made it even better

[nova oar]

They are very different games combat wise, once you get a bit better at h2 and unlock aspects it becomes alot more fun, especially if you don't like the mel aspects

[last cloak]

yeah

[nova oar]

There is also an aspect similar to zeus

[last cloak]

i mean axe is quite fun, i just didn’t instantly click like with shield

i haven’t unlocked the last two weapons yet either so there’s that too

[nova oar]

The last two are a bit tricky to play tbh

Hades 1 weapons are just more simple in general, espc cause h2 has omega moves on top of the base moveset

[last cloak]

yeah exactly

[nova oar]

But in terms of strength in the meta, mel staff and mel blades are the best of the 4 aspects on the weapons

[last cloak]

blades being the sickle and dagger?

[nova oar]

Yep

[last cloak]

good to know

[nova oar]

I'd personally stay away from mel torches, but the other 5 mel aspects are quite strong

[last cloak]

yeah i hate the torches already

maybe an aspect can redeem them, but mel torches suck

[nova oar]

The aspects make it way more playable and actually good dw

[last cloak]

yeah

i hated the bow before getting the homing special aspect, and now it’s my 2nd most played weapon in h1

[nova oar]

Most played being the shield?

[last cloak]

something about the base ranged weapons ig, cuz i dont like the h1 gun (i haven’t unlocked any aspects for that so idk if itll be redeemed)

[last cloak]

yup

[nova oar]

(It will be)

[cerulean night]

So yeah, I clearly did not win the run

[last cloak]

lol, which aspect for gun is best?

[nova oar]

The 2nd and 3rd one

Eris and hestia, from memory

[last cloak]

yea

which do you recommend for someone with little experience with the gun

[nova oar]

Eris 100%

[last cloak]

cuz ive only used it enough to beat a fury once for the titan blood and then put it down again

[last cloak]

noted

[nova oar]

Unfortunately beating hades is the big roadblock to getting more titan blood for better weapons

[cerulean night]

Honestly the reward for this fight is not worth at all

[last cloak]

yeah exactly

[nova oar]

If you fight him early it is

[torn wind]

It’s a time saver if your build is good

[last cloak]

im basically just waiting for a broker deal at this point

[torn wind]

It’s not usually worth taking on underworld but can save significant time on surface

[nova oar]

That was probably my only complaint about it tbh

[cerulean night]

Just 50 gemstones
Something that doesn’t even help the current run

[torn wind]

You get rewards for free at every shop

Poms, boons, paths of stars

[prisma mountain]

So anyone think we'll get a content update for 14th release why are they oddly quiet lol

[torn wind]

There’s official new content

[nova oar]

We've had nothing confirmed so no idea really

Oh wait fr?

[prisma mountain]

Did they confirm it? I didn't see anything

[torn wind]

Moist Heracles in the trailer

[prisma mountain]

Except that one trailer scene

[torn wind]

New dialogue with Heracles is the only thing we know so far

Everything else that is different is due to early access footage being used

[nova oar]

Oh yeah nothing gameplay related

[prisma mountain]

Yeah but I meant like is there anything else said by them

[nova oar]

Nop

[torn wind]

They’re keeping it chill

They specifically said we’d get an update near launch

[prisma mountain]

Feel like a free content update should've been mentioned in the socials or smt

[nova oar]

They said a while back the game was done so it's possible just a console release with minor things added

But i'm hoping for a big balance patch

[torn wind]

Except they’ve already said they’d be waiting until closer to launch to say anything

They told us that when the trailer dropped

[crude dragon]

Balance patch: Removed Heartthrob cap

[torn wind]

#announcements message

[prisma mountain]

Give me og frosty veneer

[torn wind]

The fact nothing has been said is because they said they’d wait to say anything

[crude dragon]

Make Tough Gain pommable again

[proud swift]

I don't think there will be too much new content but I hope they can surprise me.

[nova oar]

Give me ares mana regen back

[prisma mountain]

PLEASE give me something related to hypnos or prom

[proud swift]

Hoping for Hel buffs.

[nova oar]

Hel doesn't need buffs

[proud swift]

It needs a buff to its "fun" value.

[nova oar]

I'd agree with that tho

[prisma mountain]

Just make it so that you can channel omega while dashing honestly

[nova oar]

I also want them to rework selene so she's less powerful early game and more useful lategame

[prisma mountain]

The omega attack build feels so bad on hel

[nova oar]

You can on alot of moves tbh

Oh u just mean hel

Absolutely then

[prisma mountain]

Yeah dashing on hel interrupts it for some reason

It's really not that busted (Especially with morigan daggers in the game lol)

[nova oar]

It cleared max fear both routes, it's a strong aspect, just not fun and a bit jank imo

[proud swift]

I am wondering what the developers thoughts are on the difficulty for high fear.

It's certainly in a much better spot compared to high heat, I think most would agree.

[nova oar]

The game isn't balanced around it, but having beating 62, I agree it is pretty fair

[nova oar]

It's alot less rng and alot more git gud

[proud swift]

Incredible what removing Approval Process can do.

[nova oar]

Void is a horrific vow tho, if they change that i'm running 67f

[broken glen]

yeah, it's fun how most weapons are viable for max fear unlike max heat which was just zeus shield

[prisma mountain]

Rivals bosses are much harder than EM bosses but you are more powerful in hades 2 too lol

[nova oar]

All aspects have done 65f, probably just a matter of time before they all get a 67f clear

As opposed to the 2 or 3 max heat clears after however many years of h1

[proud swift]

It's still at 3 I believe.

2 Zeus 1 Rama

[nova oar]

Good to know

But yeah ssg, change void to smth else and my life is yours

[proud swift]

I think its far too late now to change that, but I wish they would at least increase the fear from it so we could stop saying 67.

[nova oar]

I'd be happy with that too

[proud swift]

67 is just a bad number to max out at anyways!

[nova oar]

'Hey guys, we heard your complaints and we're increasing the fear given by void from 5 fear at rank 4 to 7 fear at rank 4'

[prisma mountain]

Six seveeeeeeeeen

[nova oar]

Mods, send them to tartarus

[prisma mountain]

Would you rather 69 heats instead?

[nova oar]

Atp? Yea

[torn wind]

Just sacrifice for it 🧠

[proud swift]

At least 69 has a comprehensible meaning.

[nova oar]

Give a ransom boon to every god while you're at it

[torn wind]

Make void worth 1-2-2-2 so we have 69 fear

[crude dragon]

She desperately needs scaling

[nova oar]

That's what i'm saying

[proud swift]

Or just 1-2-2-3 for an even 70.

[nova oar]

Godsent hexes aren't enough

[proud swift]

The jump from Void 3 to 4 is quite extreme after all.

[torn wind]

Godsent Hestia is amazing and Zeus godsent does crazy damage but that’s about it

Hera godsent is solid

[nova oar]

Ik apollo Ray can get decent numbers

[torn wind]

Apollo godsent takes too much to make good

[nova oar]

This is my problem with the hexes

[torn wind]

And it costs so much magick to charge with the triple ray

[nova oar]

Too much investment for something that doesn't work on alot of aspects and can have less dps than a good build

The utility of twilight and wolf are the saving grace

[torn wind]

Twilight curse godsent is totally worth the damage honestly

for how easy it is to charge during invuln phases

And between waves

[broken creek]

shoutout scars3 moonwater my goat

[nova oar]

67 moonwater only when

[broken creek]

if ggst 2.0 wasnt coming out tomorrow you know for a fact id run it

my 67 will have moonwater on the winscreen

[nova oar]

Damn I didn't know you played

[broken creek]

they nerfed my goat testament 🥀

although from the patch notes it looks 1000x more enjoyable to play at a kinda high level so im very much looking forward to it

[nova oar]

Yeah I might try playing it again cause I did not enjoy it the first time around

Not a big fan of trad fighters in the first place tbh

[broken creek]

it was my first 2d fighter so :3 and yeahhh this update is taking the power level of the whole cast down a lot and removing a lot of the uninteractive belligerent things the top tiers could do so now is a good a time as any to get back in when everyone is relearning stuff

[nova oar]

I'll add it to my list of games to grind

[broken creek]

if you ever wanna run some sets lmk ill probably be grinding it out pretty hard on my days off

[nova oar]

Yeah will do

If I get time, I gotta maintain my top 100 brawl rank, also got back into ow recently, and I might start playing h2 again when new stuff drops

[broken creek]

brawlhalla and ow 🥀

[nova oar]

Yeah ikr i'm such a chud

In my defence I can't afford to keep buying rougelikes and then finishing them in a week

[wraith hull]

How is hades 1. I’m thinking about getting it. I haven’t played a game like that before

[broken creek]

its fun! compared to h2 the game will feel more stiff and less powerful but zag himself moves very aggressivley in comparison

[halcyon rain]

I was not expecting to open this channel and see someone talking about strive

[broken creek]

if you ask me the story and music is better in h1 but the quality of the system gets so refined in h2 youll fs notice it going back

[broken creek]

the patch notes are so cool though

[halcyon rain]

yeah but I'm done with testament

hopping on ky

[broken creek]

making the hs fireball -2 is evil

[halcyon rain]

Or going to uni2 one or the other

[broken creek]

cuz like wtf am i supposed to do with negative frames on crow and heavy fireball thats like 90% of their pressure

[halcyon rain]

I played release testament. Everything about this patch makes it look like the character will be worse than that

And trust me release testament was not a real character

[broken creek]

in like s3/4 they made them a kinda real character

since stain popped off grab, 5k -> stain pop -> iad jh was a true string, like they were in a super nice spot with all the teleport buffs too

[halcyon rain]

The character is borderline non functional,,also you need 2 stain to do the same thing you do with 1 stain now

Straight up ass

[halcyon rain]

Now that only works if you apply stain twice

[broken creek]

the patch isnt out until tomorrow no??

[halcyon rain]

Yep

But stain hitstop was nerfed from 14f to 7f

[broken creek]

im holding out hope that we'll find some cool thing

[halcyon rain]

This is a revert on exactly that change you mentioned

And it applies on hit and on block despite the name hitstop

It's literally a revert

[broken creek]

sucks that my secondary was sin and they kinda gutted him all throughout s4

[halcyon rain]

Grave reaper minus was also negative on release, so also a revert

[halcyon rain]

Sin eat doing something is interesting

He's my main on xrd so I might look into him

[broken creek]

yeah but hes such a husk of what he used to be in s3

sure s3 he was like a top5 contender but now he kinda doesnt do anything

[halcyon rain]

Yeah but he was busted on s3, I think he'll be fine

[broken creek]

shoutout hc and pot being shot into the ground though il actually like the game now

[halcyon rain]

Anyway crazy coincidence to find a fellow testabro on a H2 server

I hope they eventually come around and buff them again

Investing almost 2k hours on this character for this patch is kinda 💀

[frail crypt]

who gives me the flames hidden aspect? hecate?

[bitter stirrup]

Moros

[frail crypt]

oh ok

[bitter stirrup]

In general, it's whoever among the characters has an aspect

[torn wind]

Yeah that’s usually your clue for any of them ||is that it’s a character in the game who has an aspect that can be reached before credits in the case of weapons that have two aspects named after characters in the game||

||persephone skull and nyx coat being the exceptions||

[frail crypt]

rivals eris is so easy wtf????

that was not bad at all

[torn wind]

Frenzy 2 makes it a fair deal more annoying. It’s definitely harder than normal Eris but still one of the 3 easiest rivals fights

(Anybody that says rivals eris is easier than normal eris hasn’t fought normal eris in ages)

Frenzy 2 does give you a lot less time to get behind rivals eris

[simple sierra]

meanwhile rivals prom be like:

[torn wind]

And menace can make the entire spawns a lot more annoying

Rivals prom is top 4 debatably top 2 hardest fights depending on what about it makes it hard

[simple sierra]

the way that I've beaten GCA and all the night's champion things but not rivals prom yet

[torn wind]

If you’re not good with random patterns and multiple enemies then rivals Scylla is easily hardest and rivals prom second hardest

[simple sierra]

rivals scylla I really like

[torn wind]

Rivals Scylla becomes a lot harder when fear goes up

It’s pretty easy at mid-fear

Grit and forfeit make the power gap a lot larger

You’re a lot weaker fighting rivals Scylla at high fear

[simple sierra]

I think my issue with prom is I never bothered learning him too much beyond the memory attack, the other fights I can pretty comfortable hitless usually, prom I've always brute forced

[torn wind]

Yeah rivals prom is easily one of my roughest fights

[frail crypt]

this was my first time fighting her lol

[torn wind]

Rivals Eris is also pretty easy because of how strong you usually are on surface runs

Ephyra is a buffet of build crafting

[simple sierra]

she's also very unforgiving when you first learn her, and bridging that gap usually makes you a good enough player to learn rivals eris on the fly

[torn wind]

Rivals Eris hits hard

So she messes you up if you slip up

Rivals Eris is rough especially in phase 3 and her last gasp phase because she constantly flies away and the triple laser is brutal

Rivals Eris is only considered somewhat easier because of lovers arcana tanking so much damage

[nova oar]

Nah that isnt why

[torn wind]

Well yes I’m exaggerating a bit but I feel a lot more people would have issues if rivals Eris hit more rather than doing more damage per hit

And it’s often the argument I hear for normal Eris being harder

Which doesn’t make any sense to me since you’re unlikely to get hit by normal Eris anyways

[broken creek]

its more in the vein of how the arena changes and the fact that eris loses moves between regular and rivals

[lean bronze]

do you guys have tips for rivals typhon
Its been like 4 fails vs him specifically at 55f

[broken creek]

the way you approach her is the exact same, but the fact that its lasers instead of the bullets and she loses her most obnoxious move(the shotgun) or the one like super fast shot she also loses iirc so she becomes substantially less annoying since she cant disrupt the way you normally fight her as easily

the mines are a non issue, the enemy spawns are a non issue, and she literally cant do a single thing about you walking 2 feet to the left and going behind her while regular eris at least had the shotgun or quick charge shot as a more forcing thing you have to respect

[torn wind]

Run to the right side of the stage at the start to avoid tongue slam

Don’t stand in the middle of the stage or on the side where Chronos is cause of his slash or scythe throw

[broken creek]

what are you getting hit by most

[torn wind]

Normal eris just gives you a lot more time to deal damage

Rivals Eris relies on you guessing her landing and setting up damage before she randomly decides “never mind I don’t like this spot”

And if you choose wrong on guessing her landing spot then you’re gonna get lasered if you can’t get to her fast enough

[broken creek]

you can just pause buffer or just react to where shes landing

i just react to where she goes its not like it happens in 2 frames or anything

[torn wind]

I don’t really like to consider pause buffering as part of doing the fight

[broken creek]

ive genuinley had zero issues with rivals eris and when i do mess up its because i didnt strafe far enough to one side is all, shes such a nothing fight. she stalls you out yeah but shes substantially less forcing than regular eris is

[torn wind]

Normal Eris dies too fast to hurt me

[broken creek]

thats just a surface moment tbf

until olympus its not really scaled as hard as it probably should to compensate for ephyra making you so strong

poly and eris both kinda just fall over

[torn wind]

Okay so what I’m hearing is we get somebody who plays high fear to do 62 minus rivals (50F)

And then we determine what’s harder

But like I genuinely think the move set being somewhat harder is subtracted from a lot from the fact she folds like paper if you breathe on her

Like just about any weapon can beat normal Eris before she gets more than one move off

The fact rivals eris usually takes more than twice as long is enough to make it harder since endurance is a point of difficulty

If rivals Eris had normal Eris healthbar she’d maybe be easier but that isn’t the case

[frail crypt]

is shadow that bad of a vow, doesnt seem too bad

[broken creek]

its free as hell

[torn wind]

Shadow is so free it literally saves time on underworld

[frail crypt]

wow!

[broken creek]

the minibosses just get an extra copy of themselves you can avoid entirely

[torn wind]

(Minus the fact it does make shadow spiller fight harder but technically faster)

[broken creek]

that shadowspiller fight at 67f makes me lose my mind

[torn wind]

But until you get scars 3 that isn’t an issue

[broken creek]

idk how they thought the tree thing, assassin guy, and the shadowspiller are all on par with eachother

[torn wind]

Yeah root stalker is free but master slicer and shadow spiller are brutal

[frail crypt]

also dora keeps hogging moros, I want my hidden aspect >w>

[torn wind]

But that’s on high fear. Until you get forfeit you can just delete those guys easily

[broken creek]

master slicer is just a patience test tbh, or you purposely use gale to make it faster

but shadow spiller is a dps check, if you cant kill it stupid quick youre eating so much damage from the wailers

[torn wind]

But usually on high fear with forfeit you maybe have a boon or two (if even) by the time you reach wardens

Aside from shadow spiller and master slicer the warden shadow buffs are mostly nothing burgers

[broken creek]

the leviathan one in oceanus can be a bit of a pain if you get unlucky with the pattern

[torn wind]

Charybdis shadow is a bit annoying with the ton of anchors

[torn wind]

And Talos if you don’t kill the watcher

[broken creek]

id argue shadow on the surface is lowkey a hard skip on the satyr boss and chances are youre eating damage to the boar

[torn wind]

Since there’s nowhere to hide

[broken creek]

yeah but just rush em and it becomes a non issue

[torn wind]

Ehhhh I don’t have much issue with the boar usually

But I get it. The multiple waves can have unlucky patterns

If the boar wasn’t in ephyra it’d be way harder

[crude dragon]

Depends on the miniboss, some Shadows will spawn a duplicate of the miniboss.

Shadow Hellifish, for instance

Then Tail has a rather nasty Shadow add, with infinitely-spawning land Dracones

[frail crypt]

☹️

maybe I shouldnt do this on surface yet

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah Tail is my absolute least favorite one with Shadow, next are Phantom and Mega-Dracon

[hushed cloak]

Finally used thanatos aspect axe and it finally feels usable

The attack speed was so good for taking down ||typhon|| and getting good damage in while dodging

Admittedly a skill issue on my part but the regular axe is painfully slow

[nova oar]

Axe is best played by ignoring the normal attack and only using dash strike special

[crude dragon]

Use the Special significantly more than you currently are, there's a rhythm to it that'll speed it up a ton

[torn wind]

The attack combo is fine other than the slam

The main attack combo is solid for clearing small rooms

But yeah dash strike special is far more single target damage

[crude dragon]

Also just for mass debuff application

[torn wind]

Blitz attack peak

[crude dragon]

Hitch, too

[torn wind]

That too yeah

I like Poseidon or Hestia on special and blitz or hitch on attack

Or even demeter if we’re going for safety

[crude dragon]

(Which oughta give you an idea of how often you want to be using the Special for splashes and Scorch to be a good pick on it)

[torn wind]

Yeah the three-hit is very strong especially when a good hestia roll on it does more damage than blitz (minus not having crit chance)

Epic Hestia special with jpom is like 90 damage per hit

Falls off on bosses is the one issue if you don’t have a good pyro technique

[lean bronze]

thanks

[torn wind]

Aside from having to pay attention to Chronos it’s basically the same as normal typhon

[lean bronze]

what kol said
Raining bullets from directly above + ending segment

[torn wind]

Baby phase is a skill check yeah

[lean bronze]

even if i have tons of hp and one or two spare DDs im guaranteed to lose
I also have to fight typhon for a bit after baby phase

[torn wind]

He can’t even really hurt you during that

The “final phase” is basically just a timer check

[lean bronze]

so once baby phase is done we win?

[lean bronze]

welp
Ring% is slow
Even if i get thru im guaranteed to die to timer
Sigh

[torn wind]

He “attacks” but they’re all slow and wimpy cause he just spent all his energy on you

[lean bronze]

would it be worth it to take other vows and not take r typhon?

[torn wind]

That’s what z-kid did for a while and I’ve honestly lost more 55+ fear runs to rivals Typhon than anything else

Though Promacles has kicked my ass a lot of times

I more often lose to rivals Typhon because I hamster away two DD’s to promacles in the final leg of the fight

[lean bronze]

so real
Im gamer mode at the start
Then the stress starts setting in, if i take a big hit or if timer starts getting low
And lose a DD, sometimes two
Ive gotten to typhon with all DDs intact at max hp and with shields and still lost cuz rivals

[torn wind]

Okay now that’s all just on you

[lean bronze]

[torn wind]

If you bring pin and make it to the baby phase with pin it becomes pretty free

Since that’s 10 free seconds of ring %

[lean bronze]

pin is always on
I lose pin to normal typhon tho

[lean bronze]

how long is it

[lean bronze]

(non baby)

[torn wind]

uhhhh like 20-30 seconds or so idk

[lean bronze]

it feels like an eternity
I suck ok i get it

[torn wind]

The thing is that once you make it to baby phase you can just tank damage if you’ve got enough to spare or know you have pin to save you

But I have definitely lost runs because I didn’t get pin to baby phase and lost it on the “final” phase

And then lost the skill check

[lean bronze]

maybe i need gale

[torn wind]

If you can get Gale to typhon it helps a lot

Gale helps a ton at high fear cause of how punishing pain 3 can be

When a gale block can mean eating 120 damage then yeah it’s huge

If you want to go all-in crutch then go for all the damage reduction gods

Poseidon to stack up water fitness and sea star

Aphro for weak with island getaway and broken resolve

Demeter for snow queen

[raven axle]

Yoooo

[torn wind]

Hephaestus for trusty shield and hopefully a region 4 black metal

Hermes for nitro boost

Old grudge also has a lot more value on rivals Typhon than on rivals Chronos

[lean bronze]

or wispy wiles hot pot shrink and retreat with daze

[lean bronze]

resetting for hours

[torn wind]

Yeah can max out dodge chance and daze

It’s a shame the only good duo amongst Apollo-Zeus-Aphro-Hestia is thermal dynamics

And maybe burning desire if you get a high roll on pyro

Warm Breeze literally becomes worthless at high fear

Glorious disaster is bad no matter what

Sunny dispo relies on magick spending

Romantic spark forces you to run into stuff

Shame that it’s a decently fun group of gods with terrible duos

Since burning desire is kinda worthless if you already have thermal dynamics

Since you’re gonna be applying so much scorch already

[loud anchor]

Ikr

[torn wind]

Actually it’s worse than worthless

It’s 24 magick priming

Trade Deal:
I get: 24 magick prime
You get: worthless green square

[loud anchor]

Basically

[torn wind]

Its a shame since hestia and Apollo are both great

[broken creek]

yeah but then you have to get old grudge

when gigaros, life tax, unseen, dissent are all leagues better hits

plus old grudge i know messes hard with chronos scripting, idk abt typhon though i never play surface

[torn wind]

Yeah I’m just formulating the maximum rivals typhon crutch

[static flax]

Hey guys do we know what the pricing of the ps5 version will be?
Like the switch 2 and pc one or different because it's 1.0?

[torn wind]

$30

Same as other versions, should be

[broken creek]

yeah its 30usd on steam so id expect the same accross platform

[torn wind]

The physical copy on switch is the only one that isn’t $30

And I don’t think PS5 or Xbox are getting physical

[static flax]

Well maybe not immediately
But probably down the line no?

[torn wind]

probably not tbh

[slim pike]

No, I don't think they're having se-

wait, not what you meant

[torn wind]

[frank galleon]

playing super late at night (it's 12:46AM where I am, but my laptop is on my normal timezone, so it's saying 1:46AM), and when I rolled into Chronos' chamber, he said "A visitor, at this hour?"
so many little bits of flavor text/dialogue in this game

[torn wind]

Make Chronos say “Granddaughter? It’s past your bedtime”

[frank galleon]

ah damn, how late do I have to play to hit that one?

[buoyant matrix]

sorry to burst your bubble but that's one of the random entry dialogues it has nothing to do with your system time 😂

[slow ledge]

14th can’t come soon enough

I’ve been waiting for the ps release for ages

[slim pike]

For Mel only travels at night anyway

due to having an unspoken grudge against Helios that somehow doesn't boil over to Apollo

[spring thistle]

Went into ||zagreus|| fight without death defiances

[loud anchor]

Cooked

[slim pike]

He, however, did not

[spring thistle]

I discovered that the hard way

[spring thistle]

Last time I let him cook me

[lean bronze]

i believe
i can beat fresh file

[buoyant matrix]

you can!

[spring thistle]

I root for you man go kill him

[lean bronze]

ty

[slim pike]

give him the grabby hands

[crude dragon]

After all, the time in Tartarus is 7:46

[hollow copper]

Y'ALL

Typhon is SO HARD

When Zeus appears, how much % of his health is gone?

[worthy swift]

I find staying close to the right of him helps . Just gotta dodge the big chin smash

[crude dragon]

You're around 60% HP

[blazing mango]

is athena can come underworld?

[torn wind]

You have to use the gorgon amulet she gives you as a keepsake

[blazing mango]

yeah im using it

[torn wind]

You have to be out of death defiances (or not have any to begin with) for it to activate

[blazing mango]

yeah im out of them also

oh she had special dialog for underworld regions

holy

@torn winddo you have any advices for arakne's prophecy?

[torn wind]

Patience

Just that it’s a lot of dialogue that you’ll only get one of per run

[merry lark]

I boosted the server, still no image perms?

[jolly hound]

run amulet in the first zone and grind it out like get to Arachne and then let Hecate waste you for fastest results

[jolly hound]

nope only in victory boasting

[torn wind]

This chat doesn’t allow files

[blazing mango]

i just found three fates and the last 2 runs dialog about three fates

i just cant continue that prophecy

[merry lark]

That's not very cool

[torn wind]

Only chat that allows files is victory boasting, that’s not related to boosting

[blazing mango]

how can i sign my message as spoiler

[merry lark]

https://i.redd.it/2ojea5jak6261.png

[torn wind]

Put || on each side of it

[torn wind]

Also this is the only chat where image links don’t work

The others work

[merry lark]

that is very not fvcking cool

im not gonna chat here

[torn wind]

Okay

[blazing mango]

|| hecate visited araknes place at least before i found the three fates ||

[torn wind]

If not being able to post images is a deal breaker then why use a boost on the server before finding that out

[torn wind]

||That’s decently far into the quest line||

[merry lark]

because i thought the server booster role comes with image perms since there's no way trolls would pay money to troll and abuse image perms

most other servers im in do this

[blazing mango]

there is any guide video for it?

[torn wind]

There’s chats where images work

You just have to link them

You’re entirely able to post the image or video in another server then take the discord media link and use that

This is the only chat where that doesn’t work, the other 4 allow that

And victory boasting allows direct file posting

[torn wind]

Yeah if you google it there should be a guide pops up for the dialogue order so you know whether to go surface or underworld

Idk if using gorgon amulet in Olympus will still let her say her dialogue

But I don’t think the dialogue works if you summon her in other regions using it

It has to be a natural Athena spawn I think

[buoyant matrix]

phases 1-3 are each 20% hp
last phase is 40%

[merry lark]

oh alright good info thank you

[blazing mango]

no no in that video he summoning athena to erebos and its still counting on progress xd

[torn wind]

Okay well there ya go

I said it doesn’t work in this chat

[merry lark]

i knooow

[hollow copper]

When Zeus appears, is that the end of stage 1?

[buoyant matrix]

phase 1 ends at first egg summons
phase 2 ends when zeus appears
phase 3 ends at second egg summons (you usually have enough damage to skip this entirely)
phase 4 is after the second eggs when his moveset becomes harder

[blazing mango]

anyone had 100% achievement here?

i need to ask with image but i cant here

i will ask on dm

[hollow copper]

What are the strongest gods in Hades 2?

Hestia and hepheastus are BROKEN

I started Hades 2 about a week ago

Just finished part 1

[glass jacinth]

I'm going to give you the boring answer. It depends

Also the silly answer: Frinos, of course

[strong rapids]

I have 100% achievements on steam

[blazing mango]

yeah this is what i asked for. can you come dm?

[strong rapids]

sure

[crude dragon]

Zeus and Hera

Blitz is never a bad take, and neither is a source of Hitch

Plus, Hitch actively counteracts one of the hardest Vows in the game, that being Hordes

As well as greatly increasing your effective damage in two of the hardest Rivals fights

Plus their Duos are incredible

Born Gain is also the best general-use MP regen because it simply works, and doesn't require any additional input beyond wanting to take a few max MP increases

[glass jacinth]

But the my answers for strength on a new player and new file: Apollo, Poseidon, Demeter, Heph.

Apollo - always a safe call, especially when learning the game. Larger effect areas for attacks, mitigating oncoming effective damage, and even some routes for self-healing. Fast-attacking weapons don't scale as well with his boons as certain others (true of any % increase god).
Poseidon - Wonderful economy boons that help you progress in the crossroads faster, a burst of healing in the middle of your run via "buried treasure", attack and special boons that scale extremely well with two of your earliest new weapons, and just glorious uncle vibes
Demeter - Freeze is great for making rooms with lots of enemies less overwhelming, and fast weapons don't mind being able to inflict freeze quickly.
Hephaestus - Armor effects, and also gives you an avenue to wait for openings without losing out on tons of potential damage.

[merry lark]

can i just NOT talk to Eris?

[glass jacinth]

Nope, she's gonna troll you no matter what. At least you get some resources out of it each time though

[merry lark]

she's not trolling me she's killing me

her curse is so severe she gives enemies a 20% dmg buff that KEEPS INCREASING

the enemies already do more dmg the further you go into a run but her curse multiplies their already multiplied damage

[glass jacinth]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hypnos
Have you tried not getting hit

[merry lark]

enemies are hitting me for 40 damage because of her strife

[glass jacinth]

In all seriousness, she does stop interdicting you after a while

And being able to consistently reach Eris on each run helps a lot for subsequent runs because of being able to unlock arcana and tools and such.

[torn wind]

To avoid her you have to be under 50% of your max health AFTER drinking from the fountain

The fountain heals 20% of your max health until you get incantations to increase it

But she goes away after the first like 8 nights

[crude dragon]

She'll go away after your 10th run

And on night 9 and 10, she only spawns in Tartarus

[glass jacinth]

Also, she's trolling you. You'll know when she's killing you. 😉

[crude dragon]

True!

[proper seal]

Eris is a troller

[crude dragon]

Eris is a brat

[glass jacinth]

||there's a lot more quips and gunfire||

[crude dragon]

||"You ready for your first round of feathers and fire, Trouble?"||

[hushed cloak]

Oh I wanted to say something here actually, I really enjoy how this game incentives switching keepsakes WAY more than Hades 1

[granite wigeon]

can someone give me a quick rundown on the strat for h2 ff

gonna give it a go

oh im watching the haelian bibeo

eris doesnt show up if your hp is under 50%

easy beans

in the video he just kinda camps chronos out and chips with ranged moves lol

oh and is there an attack rotation for the staff

or just spam attack or special

the wr uses possidon dash into dash attack special

ok so possidon dash and beachball cuz flatdmg seems to be the idea

[cunning laurel]

good luck

[spring thistle]

lost to typhon

I hate the cloak I just want it to end

[granite wigeon]

do you do a dash attack out of sprint in this game

or is it just after a dash input

[hushed cloak]

You do a dash attack out of sprint, yeah

[granite wigeon]

assuming the latter

[granite wigeon]

oh huh

[hushed cloak]

I do remember constantly doing dash attacks w than axe during one of my more recent runs since I was running around a lot, though you can check

[granite wigeon]

does anyone have a handy video showing attack rotations in h2

[hushed cloak]

There's a pinned guide in #h2-builds-and-combat on every weapon aspect that outlines good attack combos

Don't think there's a video tho

[granite wigeon]

The special cancels any lingering attack animations, so little combos like sprint → dash-strike → special, or dash-strike → attack → special → repeat, or attack → attack → special → attack work well.

dash attack, standing attack, special repeat?

[cunning laurel]

is this specifically for ff

[hushed cloak]

I guess so? But wouldn't the optimal attack rotation depend on your weapon and build

[granite wigeon]

from the wr i gather the ff damage rotation is dash into enemy, dash attack special repeat

[granite wigeon]

i mean i feel liek weapons are fundementally similar enough to where there is going to be one or two main damage rotatiosn per weapon

h1 example

sword damage rotation is special dashattack dashattack

for aspect of possidon you throwin casts whenever and for the hidden aspect you do mostly standing attacks

and ig there is a variation with ME for ff where all you do is standing attack into empty dash

[split shuttle]

for fresh file attack patterns usually change depending on what situation you are currently in

[hushed cloak]

I guess so, but I still think you're putting the cart before the horse by deciding your attack rotation before your build or even your weapon

[granite wigeon]

i already know my build will have to be beachball with staff since its ff

[granite wigeon]

i mean in any case you arent going to be spamming the same rotation but its just the ideal for a stationary target

[split shuttle]

if u dont have beach ball yet its better to spam attack than to dash strike into special, if theres a room with say like low hp enemies like spindles or if u have beach ball then its optimal to dash strike into special

also u dont need beach ball for fresh file its just really nice to have

[granite wigeon]

messing aroundin the empty room i feel liek canceling the last slow attack with special seems fine enough

or just dash attack standing attack special

[split shuttle]

for fresh file stuff i lowk think you should join the hades speedrunning discord, they have a channel dedicated to fresh file and the wr holder is also there

[granite wigeon]

having messed around in the first rooms

feels to me special into dash attack standing attack special, then repeat from dash is pretty effective

[split shuttle]

link is in pinned messages in self promotion channel

[granite wigeon]

huh i didnt realise the pool could be different in h2 ff

in h1 every ff has the same pool

[hushed cloak]

Oh right still wanted to say stuff about this

In Hades 1 I found myself tacking one onto myself at the start of the run and just never taking it off, between stuff like pierced butterfly and lambent plume actively rewarding keeping your keepsake for the entire run, but in 2 almost every keepsake has a limited effect now

[granite wigeon]

most ppl in h1 would take different god keepsakes for the first two or even 3 areas

its prolly a game knowledge thing, like i dont rly know any builds in h2 so i would not be as inclined to switch keepsakes acorss areas

as far as i can remember the most i could do in h2 was god keepsake for area 1, watch for area 2 maybe and maybe gorgon head

i dont remember what good defensive keepsake you would take to the boss

[hushed cloak]

I mean w stuff like concave stone, crystal figurine, experimental hammer, transcendent embryo, plus all the god keepsakes same as H1

It's just less permanent effects but more powerful in return to incentivize switching them out

Oh and lions tooth and fig leaf

[granite wigeon]

i think temporary effect keepsakes are quite bad

unless you are taking them for the final biome

you are exchanging a perminant boost you could have gotten with another keepsake for a temporary boost

oh i remember the selene was a regular pick for me

[granite wigeon]

maybe you could use different temporary boost keepsakes for different biomes but i would think it would be more optimal to just take a keepsake that gives perminant effect

like selene

[hushed cloak]

I mean yeah, but if you're struggling with a certain boss or just need to get one done for the vow of the unseen or whatever and then dip out they're nice outside of the final biome

Also moon beam (Selene) is a temporary keepsake so ┐⁠(⁠´⁠ー⁠｀⁠)⁠┌

[granite wigeon]

what are you on about lol

[hushed cloak]

Like the effect of moon beam runs out if you cash out the path of stars and the Selene encounter

[granite wigeon]

wha tis moon beam even

ive not played this game in a while

[hushed cloak]

A boon from Selene is likely, you get 3-5 extra upgrades on your next path of stars

[granite wigeon]

the keepsake gives you 3 to 5 upgrades that give perminant effect bruh

[hushed cloak]

The upgrades are permanent but the keepsake effect is temporary

[granite wigeon]

😭 yes obviously?

[hushed cloak]

I was just saying I like how this game incentivizes switching keepsakes, which you still want to do with the moon beam 😭

[granite wigeon]

god keepsakes force the god untill you pick it, that is also temporary according to that line of thinking

[hushed cloak]

Yes?????

[granite wigeon]

not more than h1 bruh

that being your original point

[nova oar]

It does incentivise it more than h1

[granite wigeon]

h1 has a new cattegory of keepsakes that give temporary upgrades without perimant effect

[nova oar]

There are more keepsakes that keep their affect after switching, and none that gain benefit from staying on the whole run like h1

[granite wigeon]

the keepsakes that gain effect throughout a whole run are bad in h1 as are the temporary effect ones are in h2 bruh

no one is using lambet plume for a whole run unless its for the gimick

[hushed cloak]

The only temporary keepsakes I can remember from H1 are the cthonic coin purse, god keepsakes, and I guess skelly's tooth

[granite wigeon]

acorn

dog collar

most effects are temporary bruh

the feather duster form dusa

[hushed cloak]

Dog collar keeps the upped max hp for the entire run if you keep it on

[granite wigeon]

earings

[hushed cloak]

Why are you listing keepsakes that keep their effects for the whole run 😭

[granite wigeon]

oh you mean ones where the effect goes away while you have the keepsake on

[hushed cloak]

Yea

[granite wigeon]

yea cuz thats a new cattegory added in h2 bruh

[hushed cloak]

I literally just listed keepsakes in H1 that are temporary

[nova oar]

What are you even arguing about atp

[hushed cloak]

Again I just like how h2 has more of them with more powerful effects 😭

[granite wigeon]

they are not "temporary" in the same way

aside fron skelly, they give you a perminant powerup

for god keepsakes the god in your pool

and 100 or whatever coins

[granite wigeon]

and id argue that the tooth falls in the same cattegory as these other ones

its just that the effect isnt unlimited, if you dont die you dont lose the dd

in h1 there arent keepsakes that are "effect for x chambers"

that is new to h2

i dont remember any of those being very good in h2 but if there are any then taking it for the last area would be viable sure, but it doesnt encourage switching more than switching to tooth for the final biome for the boss

and nothing nothing stopped you from taking earings for area 2 and acorn for area 3 then tooth for area 4 in h1

its just the same as using multiple of these h2 temporary powerup keepsakes

[nova oar]

I don't even understand the point you are trying to make

[granite wigeon]

who was talking to you bruh

[nova oar]

It's a public server 💀

[hushed cloak]

Sob

Don't worry you're invited to the conversation

Just aside from god keepsakes there's not much to dissuade you from using a certain keepsake from Asphodel to the surface of you really like it in H1

[nova oar]

So what is this debate about?

[hushed cloak]

I like that there are more keepsakes that expire in h2

I usually don't settle on one that has an effect that doesn't expire until like chronos / ||typhon||

[granite wigeon]

i dissagree

anything is viable for low heat sure

but there is no insentive to play like that nessiarily

for example if i already have all cores i want in the first area

i might take hermes keepsake to unlock a secondary he has

maybe hourglass into ely for the chance of a long touch of styx

maybe acorn or tooth into the 4th area

hermes is technically a god but the keepsake is different in function

this is much more effective than just picking butterfly for areas 2 through 4

however i could see the angle of temporary boost keepsakes encouraging new players to concider switching keepsakes early on

[granite wigeon]

that h2 encourages switching keepsakes more than h1

#h2-discussion message
#h2-discussion message

[hushed cloak]

All I know is that in h2 I usually pick up crystal figurine for area 1 to get more arcana cards, god keepsake for area 2 to lock in a play style, concave stone in area 3 to get more synergy, and experimental hammer or some other damage / longevity keepsake going into area 4 while in H1 I was always comfortable with tacking on pom blossom and never taking it off

And I prefer the switching I do in H2 cause it makes me feel smart

[granite wigeon]

like i said its a game knowledge thing

you can better plan out the keepsakes you want to use in h2 but not in h1

pom blossom also isnt that good in h1

its not like your playstyle in h1 with just pom blossom is equal in efficacy as your one in h2 where you switch keepsakes

[hushed cloak]

┐⁠(⁠´⁠ー⁠｀⁠)⁠┌

What do youuu enjoy most about h2

[granite wigeon]

ive not played this game in a good while but last i played the only thing i thought was an improvement over h1 was arcana

even with arcana there are the few meta builds, but there is sertainly more variation than mirror in h1

[hushed cloak]

Oh true

[granite wigeon]

cast is also more intresting

i actually have never run a real cast build but the base cast even without arcana has more utility than stones in h1

[nova oar]

It does yes

[nova oar]

You're taking some of the worst keepsakes too 😭

[hushed cloak]

Man idk, I don't even have them all yet

[nova oar]

Just don't use concave stone or crystal figurine

Start with a god keepsake

take pin, fang or antler last region

[granite wigeon]

just let them play with keepsakes and figure it out lol

there is no utility in telling strategy to people unless they are actively asking

[nova oar]

🤷‍♀️

[hushed cloak]

I'm chilling as long as I'm clearing runs, honestly

[granite wigeon]

what is youre max fear

[hushed cloak]

One fear

👍

[buoyant matrix]

excellent start, you have big room for improvement too 💪

[nova oar]

One more that alot of people

[hushed cloak]

Oh definitely, I've been avoiding hexes a little but I'm gonna work on integrating them into gameplay a bit more

[nova oar]

Nah keep avoiding them

[granite wigeon]

💀

[split shuttle]

on low fear tho theyre still viable

[nova oar]

They are fairly strong early game but fall off hard lategame

[granite wigeon]

at 1 fear they should be trying out hexes bruh

[split shuttle]

they aint that bad on low/mid fear but once u hit like 50s is when options really narrow down to either twilight curse wolf howl or night bloom

[granite wigeon]

i thinkthey are quite fun

[split shuttle]

rest of hexes either need specific nodes or godsent in order to feel good

[nova oar]

Hard disagree but each to their own

[hushed cloak]

Honestly I rolled air quality storm ring and demeter's cast gust against||typhon|| once, it put in good work

And I can see hex being a good tool if you have like storm lance, a good hex boon, winner's circle, local climate, etc

[granite wigeon]

i remember thinking twilight curse was very clunky

[hushed cloak]

...wait

I'm dumb 😭 what's the circle thing called

[nova oar]

Cast?

[split shuttle]

the fact that u can turn regular enemies and elites that dont have a boss' hp bar into sheep is op

[hushed cloak]

I meant cast augh

[split shuttle]

plus when they are in sheep form they take 50% more dmg than when theyre not in sheep form

works on bosses and elites with boss hp bar so u still get dmg boost

[granite wigeon]

oh i was thinking of the one that transforms mel

the sheep one is kinda like aphros call in h1

i dont really remember how it was in h2

[hushed cloak]

Twilight curse in H2 is def more powerful than Aphrodite call in H1

Since it bounces and can give you buffs, plus charges quicker

[nova oar]

Yeah that one is really bad no matter where you are in the game or what you do

[granite wigeon]

i used aphros call in h1 mostly to nullify hades' spin attack

its not really that much better than any other random call since calls give i frames but this has a larger window where you can avoid damage

[split shuttle]

dark side really only pops off if u have godsent tbh

[wispy forum]

hey, in the conversation where nemesis punts melinoe, is there any special interaction if melinoe just straight up dies from nem's hit?

[hushed cloak]

Do you mean punches 😭

Cause my god if nem can just send that girl like a football

[granite wigeon]

i assume the game doesnt let you give hp if you dont have it lol

like with chaos

[wispy forum]

yeah, punches hahaha

sorry; not a native english speaker and thought punt was a synonym for punch

[worthy swift]

probably is special dialogue

[wispy forum]

nem probably can punt mel if she really wanted to though

[granite wigeon]

punt is a kick on a smaller object that you throw form your hands

nem could forsure punt mel lmao

[worthy swift]

Checked the wiki n turns out u can get punched back to the crossroads:

“Note: The Free Hit interaction can be offered even if Melinoë’s Health is critically low. If accepted, Melinoë will inevitably be forced to retreat to the Crossroads, resulting in a failed run.”

[granite wigeon]

thats intresting

[wispy forum]

that's so funny 😭

i'd really like to know what the dialogue there is

that must be so embarrassing for poor mel

[hushed cloak]

Mel just like, bleeding profusely with a black eye and whatever being like "yeah I can take it"

Cut to 5 seconds later telling frinos "I couldn't take it"

[granite wigeon]

roleplay bruh

[proven swallow]

Hey y'all - do we know if the April 15th patch is likely to change anything early game? I finally started a new (non-EA) save post full release, and now don't know whether I should hold off until this patch to avoid missing any bonus content etc?

[nova oar]

Start playing, very unlikely that any big changes are going to be made

And if they are it'll all be late game stuff, gameplay wise at least

[last cloak]

@nova oar i found my weapon

i clicked with the skull

that thing is really fun

[nova oar]

Hell yeah

It has the strongest aspect too

[last cloak]

noice

[last cloak]

which one?

i assume the hammer where the skulls automatically fly back is the best one?

[nova oar]

Medea

[nova oar]

No, it's one of the worst because skulls will auto return when you use special anyway

[last cloak]

oh rip

[nova oar]

Best hammer skull is possessed array

[last cloak]

noted

best boons for attack/special?

[nova oar]

You want big %damage for the attack, hera and apollo are best, for special you want a curse, so zeus and hestia, or hera if u dont have hera attack

[last cloak]

noted, ty

[nova oar]

Almost any attack and special can work on the skulls so mess around with it

[last cloak]

will do

what does it mean by ‘sprouted’ for aspect of persephone

ok one last question for now, medea takes iron and mandrake, without telling me which region, is it in the surface or underworld direction?

just so i can know where to focus to try that out

ik that it wouldn’t make much sense lore or logic wise, but i wish that h1/2 allowed you to test an aspect without unlocking it. like just test it on the skeleton npc from each game

[nova oar]

Surface

[nova oar]

Sprouted means you have a chance for extra levels on boons when you select them, up to +4 iirc

[red fox]

Sprouts is the mom bus

[worthy swift]

She had a bus, Persephone?

[strong rapids]

I thought sprouted is when the omega special is controllable

[ebon sigil]

It is

[strong rapids]

nvm, sprouted is specifically the term to refer to the fact that it lasts longer when you do Olympian damage. the controllability and the extra levels are just treated as secondary by the tooltip, not part of the sprouted ability

[ebon sigil]

Sprouted
Damaging effects from Olympians make this last up to +2 Sec. when next you use it

[crude dragon]

God, no. It's entirely redundant when you play the weapon correctly

Possessed Array, Volatile Array, and Colossus Driver are the ones you wanna look out for

[strong rapids]

everybody is gonna tell you that hammer is bad and from an objective point of view it isnt that strong. but tbh i take it pretty often when i see it, just to not have to worry about using my special near the skulls

but if youre trying to play optimally then yeah, you should play smart and retrieve your skulls in other ways. that hammer can be nice quality of life if youre just doing a casual run though, imo. especially if youre doing an attack-focused run and the other 2 hammer offers are for specials, might as well just take it

just my 2 cents

[cunning laurel]

its just so meaningless because the range at which the special attracts the skulls is ridiculously large

[nova oar]

And the fact that the skull attraction hammer reduces the fire rate compared to just using specials

[strong rapids]

the range for specials is pretty big but i find that im still very capable of losing them despite that, maybe that says more about me than the skulls but hey. i like the hammer regardless XD

[jolly hound]

Wide grin and auto returning skulls isn’t like, amazing, but it sure is fun

remember cluster bomb from hades 1 it’s that

And it’s how I got my first win lol

[strong rapids]

if i shoot the skull at a somewhat distant enemy to my left, and then move to go attack enemies on the right side of the arena, that skull is gone. definitely something you can play around if youre smart but, the hammer lets you be dumber XD

true wide grin is quite fun as well

[nova oar]

I'm also biased by the fact I play mel skull like medea

[strong rapids]

me too honestly, its my favorite aspect. sometimes i switch to medea and it feels like its not any stronger or faster than mel skull, just a bit clunkier to control. in my opinion of course. i know medea is objectively cracked

the speed at which i play mel skull means ammo can get lost in the chaos

[nova oar]

100%

[nova oar]

If you play controller, medea is pretty bad on default binds

[strong rapids]

the way i play medea is hold special constantly no matter what, spam attack button, and try to aim myself into enemies

it results in me taking lots of damage but its fun at least. if i were playing on kb+m i would be able to play more strategically. OR if i wanted to change my binds, but i refuse to change keybinds every time i use a specific aspect

[bitter stirrup]

Fetching is my favorite hammer on Mel Skull lol I almost never hit special because skill issue

[strong rapids]

i honestly need to do a persephone omega special run soon, i only use special as a dash, and occasionally as a blitz applier

[bitter stirrup]

My problem with stuff like Persephone Ospec, Unseen Ire, Dark Side is me not knowing when it ends exactly so I never get to take full advantage because I either get scared and retreat too early or get too aggressive and get myself hit

I know Dark Side has a sound effect though

[strong rapids]

that is really true, especially with persephone special. charging up the sprouted feels kinda hard to understand, like i know theres the icon by your health bar but idk, i dont wanna look down there. so when i let it rip i have no real idea when im gonna be plopped out of the special back into normal mel mode

for dark side, my problem is more so the fact that it does 5 damage per hit 😭

[cunning laurel]

yea dark side is just horrible

[strong rapids]

i have done dark side runs with aphrodite duo, where you stand directly inside of a boss and it constantly spawns new heartthrobs. kinda fun, but still not that good. i really dont know what they were thinking with dark sides balance, or most of the hexes tbh

[tired iris]

Blargh, all of the Rivals bosses so far have been so chaotic and annoying and just not fun to fight. H2 is a solid improvement over the first in most ways, but the bosses are not nearly as satisfying to fight.

And I'm only on Rival Scylla, can't imagine how bad Rival Typhon and Chronos are going to be. Rival Poly feels harder than normal Typhon

[ebon sigil]

What new content is coming when it lands on Xbox?

[nova oar]

They're all just learning curves, you'll get used to it with time, however rivals final boss's are pretty nutty

[nova oar]

All we know is that heracles in the bath

[ebon sigil]

No new hammers or boons?

[nova oar]

Nope

Probably not

They announced they were done with the game ages ago, i'm suprised we got anything at all

[ebon sigil]

I still hope for an olympian/ surface patch for hades 1.

🙏

[tired iris]

Why would you ever think that would happen?

[ebon sigil]

Hope

[timid hatch]

I guess I could see it happening in the way you occasionally get the odd 20-years-later DLC/gigantic expanded remaster/sequel to something long-thought-abandoned but it seems remote and probably quite a few years away if it would happen at all

[crude dragon]

Dragon Ball FighterZ be like

[jolly hound]

They do give 2-3-3-4 rather than 1-2-3-4 heat fwiw

and yes, rivals chronos and Typhon are both very tough

[crude dragon]

Rivals Chronos can be best summarized as "I will outright kill you if you treat me the same as the normal fight"

[hollow copper]

I'm sorry, what does rival mean here?

[tired iris]

It means the two characters start out as hated rivals before finding out they have more in common than they thought, leading to grudging respect and maybe ❤️ something more❤️

Wait, no, my mistake. It is a pre-run difficuly boost applied to bosses

[hollow copper]

Is it the extreme measures of Hades 2?

[hollow copper]

Mel and Eris 🫦

[tired iris]

Is that the one that makes bosses different and harder? If so, yes!

[hollow copper]

Ah, I see

Thanks!

I still don't understand how fear works as opposed to heat

[tired iris]

Seems exactly the same?

[hollow copper]

I meant rewards wise

We still get the same rewards without applying fear

[tired iris]

Ohhh. Basically, each weapon has its own list of fear-based bounties you need to clear. Clearing the 2-fear axe bounty does not impact the bounties of any other weapon, so you'll end up doing 6 2-fear bounties, one with each weapon. And 6 4-fear bounties, etc. all the way up to 6 20-fear bounties. If you just really love the axe, you could do all the axe bounties in a row without touching the other weapons.

It makes sense fast once you see it in action a couple times, in case it still isn't clear

[crude dragon]

You don't get the equivalent of Titan Blood here without engaging with the PoP equivalent

[hollow copper]

What is PoP?

[crude dragon]

Pact of Punishment

[hollow copper]

Pom of power?

Oh

I have only been playing on 0 fear

Where should I begin? I love using lim and oros

[crude dragon]

Well, first you need to win a run before you can start getting your Nightmare bounties

And if you don't see a specific weapon's bounty, it's not that it doesn't exist, it's that it's for a boss you haven't encountered yet

[hollow copper]

I have completed 7 downstairs runs

[crude dragon]

And how far have you gotten on the surface?

[hollow copper]

I have reached the final boss

[crude dragon]

Okay, then you'll be able to see all your bounties

[hollow copper]

This channel doesn't require spoilers, does it?

[crude dragon]

Not for anything before the credits roll

[hollow copper]

I can say the names and stuff

Yeah, I doubt I'm anywhere near that

[crude dragon]

And anything that happens after you beat the final bosses of the run

So you'd still have to tag the ||Zag conversations, for instance||

And what awaits you once you kill Mega Satan

Sorry, reads smudged handwriting Tyson

[bitter stirrup]

The Mother of all Funsters

[hollow copper]

How do I defeat that bastard 😭

Suggest a good build for me

[bitter stirrup]

It's less the build and more knowledge about dodging tbh

[hollow copper]

Alright

[hushed cloak]

Definitely, but I'd say try to go for a Hestia build with the coat whatever

Relatively easy to get set up and really good if you play patiently with scorch rockets

[hollow copper]

My usual build revolves around Selene moon smashes along with turning Hepheastus blasts into heroics using Hera

I wonder if I should switch that up

[nova oar]

If you're trying to actually get wins consistently, stop using selene

[hollow copper]

Wait, why?

[nova oar]

and yeah it sounds like you're going for a weapon agnostic build all round

[hushed cloak]

Selene hate, right in front of my spaghetti </3

[hollow copper]

Selene is absurdly broken

[bitter stirrup]

I prefer stuff like Hestia and Poseidon on coat attack myself as the dash-strike hits many times and the special can be occupied by something better like Zeus or Hera, but Hestia and Poseidon are still good on the special

[nova oar]

She's only really good early in the game, and if you crutch on her like you are now, you'll struggle with the higher difficulties

[nova oar]

She's not great compared to just having a good build

[hollow copper]

Higher difficulties meaning fear?

[nova oar]

Yep

[hushed cloak]

It's good on either as far as I can tell, doesn't omega special hit apply scorch like 10ish times?

[nova oar]

It's fine, blitz and hitch are just better because specials can't consistently apply scorch as fast

[hushed cloak]

Guess that's fair

[nova oar]

Just pick an aspect you like, we can give you build recommendations, and you'll eventually see why selene isn't as good as you think she is

Also depends what arcana you're running tbh

[hushed cloak]

Yeah, I'd say best course of action rn is to play safer and learn attack patterns and to build WITH your weapons rather than around them

There's a good guide pinned in #h2-builds-and-combat if you want to get some pointers about combat and weapon builds

[nova oar]

Especially considering selene and heph are both fairly inconsistent

[bitter stirrup]

Especially especially without the postgame keepsakes

[nova oar]

They're not up to that yet so not a problem

[hollow copper]

I like Lim and Oros, I'm not familiar with their aspects, though. I have Aspect of Melinoe V

[nova oar]

Considered the weakest weapon but you maxxed its best aspect tho so no worries there

[hollow copper]

It's the weakest? 😭

[nova oar]

Unfortunately yeah

Still strong enough to win easily but some weapons are gonna be easier to learn

[hollow copper]

I like the sister flames, too

[nova oar]

Torches are good

Especially moros

[bitter stirrup]

Blades ceiling is very high but that ceiling is very specific

[nova oar]

cough cough trick knives cough cough

[hollow copper]

Is trick knives good?

[nova oar]

It's probably top 5 hammers in the game

[hollow copper]

I feel like they're pointless

WHAT

[nova oar]

[hollow copper]

They just become bigger

[nova oar]

You might be thinking of the wrong hammer

[bitter stirrup]

That's Reaper Knives which is also very good

[hollow copper]

Ohhh, the dash strike one

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/KTyMXMo

This one

[nova oar]

Yep

[hollow copper]

Is it a good idea to heroicify blast boons?

It feels so good dealing blasts every 2 seconds

[nova oar]

If you can, yes, but I wouldn't aim for it every run

[hollow copper]

Alright

Also, they turned wineboy into a gifter 😭

[nova oar]

An npc, yes

He's got some interesting choices

[hollow copper]

He does

Also, it's funny how he just assumes Mel is Zag

Apparently, ancient Greeks were very progressive

[bitter stirrup]

Maybe if we get all the boomers drunk enough they'll come around

[hollow copper]

Ok, so ummm

Is Selene good at all?

Are we just not supposed to pick her at higher fear?

[nova oar]

Lategame? She's good for wolf howl and twilight curse

Noone takes her for damage

[nova oar]

Pretty much

[hollow copper]

I see

Although, I must say she's broken at 0 fear

[nova oar]

Still no

[hollow copper]

I was in moon ray state for half my chronos fight

[nova oar]

Still just not as good as lovers and a good build

[hollow copper]

What's lovers?

[bitter stirrup]

I've seen high fear runners make use of Godsent Lunar Ray, Total Eclipse, Dark Side, and Night Bloom as a big damage source but it's still very niche and needs a lot of investment

[nova oar]

Arcana

[bitter stirrup]

Whereas stuff like Wolf Howl and Twilight Curse and even Phase Shift are useful enough at base for utility

[nova oar]

Yeah i'm just talking in general

[hollow copper]

So... will they buff Selene?

[nova oar]

Unless we magically get a patch on console release in a few days, then no, she'll be a noob trap forever

[hollow copper]

That's lame...

She's kinda cool

[nova oar]

Rest of the game is really well balanced so

Can't have everything

[hollow copper]

I guess I would equate her to being a call from part 1

Shouldn't be the main focus of your build

[lean bronze]

welp champions is out
i dont think i can get a 62f by next week (According to one guys prediction) 😔

[bitter stirrup]

Pokemon is definitely my most played game in my lifetime but I never got very good at online battles

Tests a different skill than single player games like Hades

[nova oar]

That was the intention

Hexes were even worse in EA

Then they got buffed, and got given the godsent versions

Made zero difference

[nova oar]

Everyone gets it in their own time

[lean bronze]

yup
i never been really hands on in games
mostly strategic stuff like making builds, playing strategic stuff like pokemon pvp
so my hitbox awareness and dodging skills are pretty subpar

[lean bronze]

[prisma monolith]

Well the console patch does come with changes and whatnot so fingers crossed

[nova oar]

We've had no indication of anything gameplay wise, just art and story, so i'm not getting my hopes up

[hollow copper]

So, is she just...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1463112574915706910/1492054732599201973/b993ac6d252c018e79ab712bb758201a.jpg?ex=69d9efc1&is=69d89e41&hm=e8573383d674f2e725bc791c78754b071a0685c49ff919456cfef265ab154923&

[nova oar]

?

[hollow copper]

That character's name is Aqua

In her anime, she's referred to as the "useless goddess"

[glossy shadow]

It's a lot of fun to have a super HP replenishment build ngl

[tired iris]

What's wrong with Selene? Moon water + Poseidon has been awesome for me.

[glossy shadow]

29 sips of moon water, nergal, dodge + daze heal, heal over time, I've deffo had more heal on top of that

(29 is an exaggeration but I've had more than 15)

[nova oar]

However, and hear me out here, antler and scars 3

[nova oar]

She's an unneeded early game crutch that detractes from the experience of the game (in my opinion)

[bitter stirrup]

Also upgrading that hex all the way up could've been multiple boons instead

[glossy shadow]

Hexes should all do 3x more damage and scale faster, even if they cost much more mana to charge as balance

[tired iris]

Fair. The offensive hexes are usually pretty terrible. I do like the AoE nuke with Hestia though, that is fun if nothing else.

[glossy shadow]

Faster scorch burning plus weak prevents wind down plus glamour gain

[nova oar]

Selene is good for fun, but completely out of the meta in almost every way possible

[nova oar]

3x is probably a bit excessive, but I reckon they need some sort of scaling

[glossy shadow]

Every single boss has plenty of HP gates, moonfall with a couple upgrades should one shot any miniboss encounter!

[nova oar]

😭

It just gives chronos/typhon a concussion and they have to go and sleep it off

[glossy shadow]

THERE SHOULD BE A MF CHARACTER INTERACTION IF YOU HIT A BOSS HARD ENOUGH TO ONE SHOT IT

Like still force us through the phases if it's too much to program around at this stage