h2-discussion

[shut needle]

Just go all out run as close to the line as possible since it is their last

[tired iris]

Hmm... I'm only on run 20, but Melinoe feels much weaker than Zagreus so far. She's far less agile (and is therefore far more fragile), and as of yet doesn't seem to have any offensive advantage to offset this compared to Zag's very efficient high damage backstabs. Does she come into her own later or is she just not on Zagreus' level?

[cunning laurel]

compare her to super early zag

he doesnt start with much either

[tired iris]

Even super early Zag is almost invincible with his dashes though unless you mess up, unless I'm misremembering

[bitter stirrup]

Mel makes up for not having dash safety with casts

[rotund hearth]

Wait did hades 2 get updated again?? I just saw what looked like a Heracles hot springs scene

In the Xbox trailer

[cunning laurel]

upcoming update

[jolly hound]

You start with 70 health not 100 which can feel bad

[tired iris]

Zagreus also has casts, but his easily translate into massive damage for his basic attacks with boiling blood.

[cunning laurel]

zags mirror upgrades are worse than mels arcana

[fathom lake]

Yeah! :D
Big dmg + Dmg reduction so gooodddd

[cursive nacelle]

getting an update on april 14

[fathom lake]

Yeah we are all surpirsed

[tired iris]

Oh? Sounds like something to look forward to, then.

[wide wigeon]

70? since when

[bitter stirrup]

What I meant was the binding property of casts for safety, also there is an arcana card that boosts all damage for enemies inside casts

[bitter stirrup]

Base 30 + Persistence 40

H1 was base 50 + Thick Skin 50

[wide wigeon]

fully upgraded persistence gives 70 damn its been a minute

i ran fresh file for a while there so 30 was it lmao

[tired iris]

Seems to fit the pattern I'm seeing of her having more tools (cast + bad dash) instead of better tools (good dash)

[cunning laurel]

yea there are a lot of good cards, also more options and creativity than the mirror

[rotund hearth]

Melinoe's bare back isn't something i needed until i saw it

[rotund hearth]

Interesting.

[tired iris]

I do like the versatility of Arcana a lot. Haven't fully unlocked and upgraded everything but it seems like it will be a lot of fun to experiment with

[rotund hearth]

I like mel's arcana a lot

[torn wind]

Fr

[fathom lake]

When she burned her sandals it was hilarious lmfao

Also why is morrigan hitting for 1110 in that footage hmmmmmmmmm

[torn wind]

If you stack premium service and the hammer upgrade

It might be a rounding error that produces 1110 instead of 1111

But both of those add 222 damage to it

[fathom lake]

Yah

[torn wind]

Oh wait

[fathom lake]

It should 1221

[cunning laurel]

so itd be 1221

[fathom lake]

Heh
i win

[torn wind]

Yeah I realized that

[blazing mango]

hello, what i need to do for give gods ambriosa?

[torn wind]

Wait hear me out

They didn’t have it max level

Maybe idk then math would still be wrong

Cause it would be 666

And premium service would then add 111 not 222

[fathom lake]

OHhhhh yeah

[timid hatch]

I'm only partway through testaments but how awful an idea is it to just stop using Fear except enough to fulfill prophecies, incantations, and relationships, until I have those maxed out then if I feel like it just go for Night's Champion then jump right to trying to win 62 fear and other (and more severe) "challenge" runs?

The "if I feel like it" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there tbh, but it's an idea until I get bored of the game

[cunning laurel]

id say if you stopped using fear youd get bored faster

[torn wind]

Jumping straight from nights champion to 62F is like going from a gentle hike to climbing a cliff

Unless your fundamentals are great and you can dodge everything really well you’re GOING to get dumpstered

Even going from 40 fear with rivals 3 to 50 fear with Rivals 4 stumped me for a while

I’m still inconsistent at 50 fear and haven’t even tried a 62 though I ought to

[cunning laurel]

if you can beat 50 you can do 62

its a smaller jump than youd think

[torn wind]

I know it’s just a lot of it is health crutch

I nearly cleared a 58 surface

That was with Pain 2 and Scars 2

[timid hatch]

I guess my thinking in even asking is flawed considering how much dedication it already takes to get good enough to win those types of runs so the slow build into more extreme Fears is like... either irrelevant or a benefit? I'll either drop before pulling it off or maintain interest and keeping up that long is a big achievement in itself (arguably as much as DOING the challenge runs.)

[timid vigil]

50+ is where it really gets hard

[torn wind]

Turning on hordes and return is when it goes from pretty chill to an actual struggle since now time is a concern

[timid vigil]

to me at least, I can confidently clear most of my 50 fear attempts specially if using a weapon I like, but it becomes dicey when I go above it, even if it's just 52

[timid hatch]

I'm currently inconsistent on sub20 time even at sub20 fear, heh. When I win at all

So I'm... thinking too far ahead I guess

[torn wind]

My 40 fear times usually run about like 12-15 minutes

[timid vigil]

Yeah, time should not be an issue

[torn wind]

50-55 around 16-18

[timid vigil]

If you need to think what room to go you need to remember to pause the game

And you should get free rooms

[timid hatch]

I'm partly also just deciding whether to try to "rush" other completion milestones before getting into severe challenges

[torn wind]

So if you’re not getting under 20 at 20 fear then you’re gonna have some issues unless that’s due to you wasting time with the clock running

Pause when considering doors, take Charon or chaos unless the boon door is really good, always take story encounters

Just easy ways to cut down time if it’s an issue

[timid vigil]

Are you running frenzy 2?

Frenzy 2 helps with the timer since enemies spawn faster

And you should get used to it asap if you wanna go for higher fears

[torn wind]

Yeah frenzy 2 is worth learning sooner rather than later

[cunning laurel]

what completion milestones specifically

[timid hatch]

Relationships, prophecies, all incants done/other story stuff as applicable (maxing all aspects would be helped by testaments and COULD come after)

I still need to do the last few runs before credits (I'm right at post getting ||Gigaros||)

[timid vigil]

Oh so you don't even have the post game keepsakes?

[timid hatch]

Nope.

[timid vigil]

Yeah you gonna need those if you want an easier time on high fear

[timid hatch]

This is why I asked about stopping using non-minimal Fear until those are done

[torn wind]

So question

[timid vigil]

I wouldn't worry too much about doing higher fears right now since you still have a lot to do

[torn wind]

What do you run for 20 fear

[timid vigil]

Like, epilogue and stuff

[torn wind]

Cause like Time 3 Frenzy 2 is 12 fear basically for free

Shadow is pretty free, hubris, debt, fangs

That gets you 20 fear and is pretty minimal difficulty increase. Only thing out of that that legitimately makes stuff harder is frenzy but that’s all a learning hurdle

[timid hatch]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwwLDAsMF0= Been doing this

[torn wind]

Turn off return

[timid hatch]

Haven't overcome the estimated frenzy hurdle on "number of runs" investment

[torn wind]

You’re losing a ton of time playing with return

Turn that off and do time 3

And can do debt or hubris instead of menace 2

[timid vigil]

Do you even have all rivals unlocked?

[torn wind]

Return wastes a lot of time due to the revenants counting as enemies for wave spawns

So if time is an issue turn that off. Hubris is practically free depending on your weapon, and a minor inconvenience on weapons that need magick due to Hecuba existing

@timid hatch https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwxLDAsMF0%3D

Try that

Menace can waste a lot of time on early areas due to potential for higher enemy health. Like getting anchors early on in ephyra and such

My automatons and satyrs in Thessaly

Shadow is practically free since it adds very little difficulty to only like 2-5 encounters every run

And frenzy makes the entire game run faster so as long as you’re used to it you’ll save time on average

[broken glen]

It even makes a miniboss in Erebus faster!

[torn wind]

Yeah it’s literally a time save by functionally changing how fast an encounter can end

And is actually also great due to additional hitch targets

Like on king vermin

Very easy to hit the shadow rats with hitch for free damage

[broken glen]

(Which you won’t always get, but it’s enough for speedrunners to take it- it isn’t a timesink otherwise because if you kill everything immediately who cares about a gimmick or something)

[torn wind]

“Oh no helifish boss would be a shame if it evaporated in 2 seconds”

[timid hatch]

Thank you ^^

Uhhh I do need to at least get to Prometheus in rivals 3 at some point for Heracles Trust too I think @.@

I wonder if I should actually try to get used to all Rivals fights ASAP too or if that's better saved for later, especially since I still have trouble with base Prometheus

I have rivals 3 available technically

[torn wind]

Up to 50 fear without rivals 4 is reasonable

Unless you’re @bitter stirrup who refuses to turn it on and plays 58 fear with rivals 3 lol

[zinc lynx]

Wait... i just realised....
Does the new trailer imply that mel isn't wearing anything underneath her dress? 😳😳😳

[torn wind]

Apparently. You know, Greek

Leave it all to open air

[zinc lynx]

😳

[torn wind]

Makes how short the dress is even crazier

[zinc lynx]

Yeah... 😳

[shut needle]

They do note in H1&2 that they, the gods, are not ashamed of their bodies at all. Kinda surprised no others go around like Aphrodite, but like Mel wants to show off the moon, silver sisters, Hades emblem so she wears it and practical things like her bottomless purse of holding.

[cunning laurel]

good for them

[torn wind]

The gods all present themselves as they want

[timid vigil]

She does mention fighting half naked on an interaction with nem

[torn wind]

Since they can basically all change form anyways

[zinc lynx]

I haven't gotten that yet... 😅

[timid vigil]

oops my bad

but I think it's just a random interaction not really tied with anything

[torn wind]

I mean she does also have conversations with ||Icarus and Odysseus|| about that stuff

||Since them both being mortals aren’t as used to the concepts of open love and “free spiritedness” lol||

The concept of marriage is far less common for gods outside of royal purposes

Oh and ||Moros cause of his apparent fated betrothal to Eos||

[shut needle]

Chronos does have a line if you use morph on him where he says something like "no, this is the form I've chosen" which ya is wild to think about all of them can just choose how they look, including their clothes I guess but none can make clothes as well as Aracne. Someone in #fan-works had these awesome abstract work of Chronos before he settled on his more humanoid form.

[torn wind]

Yeah with gods being more of a “concept” than a physical being in some cases

They choose to portray themselves as humans or animals that we can recognize

[dim nexus]

decided to play again for the first time since.. i think it was warsong patch

[unreal quartz]

[dim nexus]

i fear i may be washed. started a new profile and did three runs. died to sirens, died to chronos, died to chronos. granted that last one i couldve pretty handily won if i didnt just ignore eris thresholds entirely but

if eris wants me to have +80% damage received im not going to be a loser and say no (also im too lazy to manipulate my hp)

back when i last played demeter and poseidon felt the strongest of the starting gods to me, now its by far hestia

did they gigabuff scorch at some point or smth

[woeful goblet]

i'm having difficulties triggering ||Heracles|| heart-unlock, can someone fill me in on what you're supposed to do to make that happen?

[dim nexus]

i may be wrong because this is memory from like six months ago but iirc it has to do with ||vow of rivals polyphemus||

[woeful goblet]

||I've fought that one a few times, if there's some dialogue that's supposed to follow from it it just isn't popping. Heracles just leaves without talking to me at all at this point, and I'm not sure what to do.||

[dim nexus]

huh, yeah sorry then i dont remember what specific nuances it has

good luck

[woeful goblet]

if anyone has any advice please ping me about it

[compact hedge]

Do we know if our saves can transfer to ps5?

[torn wind]

I think they meant to say ||Prometheus not polyphemus||

[cunning laurel]

you cant

[woeful goblet]

I figured. My points still stand.

[compact hedge]

Well fair enough I get to experience it all again

[woeful goblet]

Hmm. My current save is from a prior patch, is it possible that I saw the relevant dialogue before it became a heart-unlock?

[cunning laurel]

like anything in this game its probably just dialogue taking a while

[woeful goblet]

but to have had multiple runs where he says nothing at all…

[merry iris]

i just got recommended the xbox trailer DAMN they know their fans do they ?
i think i need to buy it again on xbox and 100% it again

[woeful goblet]

I’m just worried.

[cunning laurel]

||even his dialogue in the boss fight?||

[woeful goblet]

||Hmm. I’ll try more R3 up runs I guess.||

[cunning laurel]

it's likely that yea

[shut needle]

Might need to keep adding more fear too "just" R3 may not be enough.

[tender meadow]

A friend just asked me for advice for the Chronos boss fight and I was like... "Are you dying in phase 1 or phase 2?" And he was like... "PHASE 2!?"

[torn wind]

Wait until they learn about rivals chronos

Did you tell them to dodge?

[raw kraken]

Hestia?

Did I miss an update

[torn wind]

Hestia scorch used to be able to crit apparently, can’t now

[tender meadow]

He told me the attack on which he sucks you in is OP, I told him he could dash through Chronos and stand behind him.

[raw kraken]

It was never able to crit I think since I’ve heard people talk about that since the Olympic update

[torn wind]

Yeah literally just walk around him

“OP” implies it isn’t literally his easiest move to avoid

Like you just have to not walk into the blender

[woeful goblet]

Really?

[tender meadow]

yeah it's kind of funny

[cunning laurel]

i really doubt it would have multiple conditions like that, just do r3 for a while

[torn wind]

My dad plays H2 and I watch him sometimes and this dude just completely turned his brain off and stood in the blender despite being like 90% of the way through 100% completion with dozens of underworld clears but trying to play for speed for once fried his brain

[glass jacinth]

I feel like we as a group need to preface any/all advice with a hypnos emoji/gif

[shut needle]

Just something I recall from when it was new and everyone was talking about it and how to do it, until it accidentally triggers

[fathom lake]

I approve this

[woeful goblet]

oh i know the feeling
tunnel vision on aggression can cause difficulties

[fathom lake]

We need an hypnos nerd emoji lmfaosdfjhkl

[torn wind]

Same thing happens on Eris for him constantly

He either gets so focused on damage that he just eats damage or gets so focused on avoiding damage that he runs half way across the arena when the boss isn’t even attacking

[glass jacinth]

There is a hypnos sticker, but it's nitro only

[torn wind]

Like he will run away during Poly invulnerable

And then be nowhere near him when he comes out of invuln

Just funny to watch because he gets the concepts and isn’t even that slow when he actually turns his brain on

[glass jacinth]

<@&456908176877551658> if within your power to requisition, please advocate for generally accessible "hypnos" head emoji to the server; Jen Zee or chibi style both acceptable. 😄

See above for context

[torn wind]

He’s like 8:30 underworld 9:30 surface on any-fear which isn’t even that slow

Those are respectable times for all the crap I jokingly give him

If my dad can attempt and die using wantler then SO CAN YOU

[split shuttle]

how motivational

[torn wind]

Hush, tail fumbler

Hampter

Jk ❤️

You can do it I know you can

Gale did screw you though cause you didn’t know the bulbs bypassed the block

Bro discovered Possessed array Medea on his own and said “wow this is really strong”

“Yeah dad that’s uhh… the single strongest speedrun thing in the game”

I don’t live with them so it’s funny getting texts about the game

[meager flume]

Is it intended that Circe's boon that removes one Fear can take away the Grasp limit (rendering Circe's boon useless)?

[split shuttle]

a what

no it cant do that

oh wait do u mean void? oh yes it can do that

[cunning laurel]

would be ridiculous if it isnt fixed in the patch

[split shuttle]

it has been like that the whole game tho even in early access

[meager flume]

A bit of a let down when that happens 💀

[torn wind]

It’s just like at least none of the other ones are entirely useless, though some are bad in a sense like getting rid of frenzy 2

Since it makes the game run slower so you might time out on Prometheus or something

If timer is an issue

The only one it can’t take away is rivals but they really ought to add void to that list

[violet locust]

Console trailer got me acting up

At least they tried to give her sandals but them dogs too strong for sandals

[scenic idol]

I think that applies to (almost) everyone

[buoyant orbit]

do you need to do the epilogue for Icarus to show up for his bond event

I've been on surface runs 10 times and he still shading me at every opportunity

[scenic idol]

I don't think so... i think just beating the main story and maxing his hearts should eventually unlock it

[buoyant orbit]

he's the only bond event I keep getting stymied on

everyone else has the trinket chibis at this point

[scenic idol]

On a similar note, does anyone know if i can forge a bond with ||Eris|| WITHOUT romancing them?

[buoyant orbit]

why wouldn't ||she||

[cunning laurel]

you dont have to romance anybody for their bond

[scenic idol]

Oh cool, so i can just deny them? Cool. Cool cool cool cool cool

[buoyant orbit]

||Eris|| already stands as the least affectionate partner and would care the least for a rejection at any rate

[scenic idol]

That's also true

[buoyant orbit]

SG always buttered up the rejections since the first game specifically so people don't feel like they missed out if they didn't care for em

[honest wren]

Hey y’all, this is probably a noob question. I don’t know anything lol but will I be able to access that Hercacles scene and watever else there may be or is that only got the playstation version coming out? I have Hades 2 on my switch 2 and PC

Like will there also be a patch or is it literally just gonna be a slightly different version of the game only for the Playstation?

[crude dragon]

There will be a patch

[honest wren]

Yuusssssss

I love this game lol I take breaks of course but every time I pick it back up, I can never not finish a run

[lean bronze]

LMAO everyones asking for the heracles scene

new trailer learnt from gacha games

[timid hatch]

Can we please have the censorbot PM the original message when it deletes, just because it's a prude that hates mild swearing doesn't mean the messages it deletes weren't effortful with thought put into them

(afaik I'm in zero other servers that do this nonsense)

[timid hatch]

Anyway lower effort response:

||It's barely a romance as it is, I think all of them end abruptly in one night stands then are like never acknowledged again, but Eris in particular just continues to be mean and annoying to you with no change||

It's worse because by the time you're finishing up the "romances" you're likely entering generic-repeated-dialogue period

[jolly hound]

do we know if the bonus content will show up on nintendo

the best case scenario is they paid the zags journey modder to put it in the actual game

[proud swift]

There is no evidence to suggest that it wont: "If you already have the game, expect these in a patch on April 14"

[jolly hound]

awesome thanks

[timid hatch]

...I PROBABLY should have taken Gorgon Eye even though it's already Olympus considering I'm kindasorta banking on Athena showing up @.@

Instead I took Fig Leaf lol

[jolly hound]

Godspeed. You can take it at summit

[timid hatch]

Fun mix of pessimism (Athena doesn't show up on Olympus) and optimism (I manage get past Prometheus despite entering Olympus with no DDs) there x3

YAY ATHENA SHOWED

Stalwart Stand :3

And I have plenty of magic for what I need :D

ALMOST beat Prommy, oh well

[lean bronze]

fig + gorgon summit? 📈

sister blades and coat testaments left
This is gonna be one hell of a ride
And also the great chaos trials

[indigo wagon]

When can console preorder?

[tired iris]

Patches for Switch games are infamously slower to come out. I remember times when half the feed for my Stardew Valley group was people complaining/asking about when the Switch patch would go live, and a time when like 90% of my Sun Haven discord group messages were about how the game was literally unplayable on Switch and when would the patch be out

[timid hatch]

So like.

Is it a popular or unpopular opinion that the base kit of Ygnium kinda-sucks and that Aspect of Melinoe's crit chance only barely begins to compensate for that?

(Similar but less-extreme for Descura and its Melinoe aspect even though Circe is phenomenal)

[bitter stirrup]

Melinoe Staff is the most consistent aspect in the game and has the most 67 fear clears by far

Melinoe Flames is considered one of the worst aspects though

[crude dragon]

That is a smoldering-hot take. Even though quite a few people here prefer the pre-rework torches (myself included), they're not bad

And calling Mel Staff bad or even mediocre is factually incorrect

The biggest issue with Mel torches is that Moros just does what it does, but better

[timid hatch]

Hmm.

Maybe I'm underestimating the magic boost... and the special itself. It does appear to be the strongest (to one target from one button press) Special of the aspects I tested a moment ago (after I sent that message), I don't know why it just feels slow and awkward to me. Then again I think all of the base Specials have that kind of feel to an extent for some reason, maybe it's just about comboing it properly with the attacks.

The attack combo also feels odd to me for some reason but maybe is... still good?

[bitter stirrup]

Dash-strike + special is all you do, magick increase doesn't matter

[cunning laurel]

yea dont do the attack combo either

[wide wigeon]

mel staff is great

[limpid oar]

Imo mel flames' biggest issue is no piercing on regular attack unless you get inverted spark

[torn wind]

The thing that makes Mel staff so powerful is that the main means of damage is alternating special and dash attack, two long-range abilities that both can apply curses. The special also just does absurd amounts of damage for being a non-omega and has really strong hammers that can apply to it. So your core gameplay is usually dashing around the room either one-shotting stuff with special or spreading curses on every enemy in the room from a very safe distance

Dual moonshot is an insane buff to damage alongside shimmering moonshot with Hera special making it a room-clear monster

[near hatch]

Hallo

[torn wind]

Blitz is usually your go-to attack, since you can just instantly pop it with special, but you can get away with stuff like scorch on it as well if you’re unlucky. just something that applies a curse so you can get origination on stuff ASAP

[near hatch]

is this the place to ask questions? im kinda new to the game, only gotten to Chronos a handful of times but not slain

[torn wind]

We do specifically have a channel for #h2-for-new-players so that you can avoid potential spoilers and just get information for where you are in the game right now

[near hatch]

cool

ty for the info

[raw kraken]

I personally feel this way since moros is just way better
It was a lot more fun with the old torches

[torn wind]

I mean an effective 20% (10% crit) multiplicative damage buff is pretty strong

In my opinion. But Mel torches does lose on the area control that Eos provides and the massive burst damage of Moros

So even if the 10% crit is strong it is just a functionally weaker weapon in some regards

Moros just does more damage without even needing the crit

[timid hatch]

It is but also relies on having a kit decent enough for that to matter a lot. Which it doesn't feel like Mel flames does unless you build heavily into extra effects on Omegas. (Fine Line, etc.)

[torn wind]

You say that as if those things benefit from the inherent crit chance

They don’t

You wouldn’t use those if you cared about the crit chance

[timid hatch]

lmao true so that's much less effective than would be if did

[torn wind]

Take aphro special with jpom and spam special on enemies

[timid hatch]

Though I mostly am referring to the frequency of pulling off Omegas with the attack channel

[torn wind]

If you wanted to take advantage of the crit

I’m not saying Mel flames are the best, they’re 3rd or last place on torches

But torches are just so naturally great

Their only thing holding them back is higher fear performance due to hubris and how dependent on magick they are

But I mean that seriously like grab something with chance on it so you can get success rate then spam crit specials until everything dies

Or go the attack route either one

[timid hatch]

Yay, I had my first "Reached Summit" frenzy run

[real scarab]

Mel flames main problem is that attacks don't pierce by default

[timid hatch]

(I feel like I'm talking too much around here lately about random stuff ^^; I just tend to be heavily inclined to make lots of commentary and ask lots of questions when I'm really into something for a while)

[torn wind]

Yeah you need the ones that make them linger or split. If more than Oattack pierced by default they’d be way better

It’s why I end up spamming special most of the time on torches and just choose to play Eos instead of Mel

[torn wind]

There’s nothing wrong with that. You’re figuring out the game and it can be beneficial to see outside perspectives on what generally works and what doesn’t. I mean there’s a lot of stuff in the game that I assumed was better or worse than it actually was since I hadn’t used it correctly or just hadn’t really considered

Places like here and the speedrun discord have a lot of information to gain if you do genuinely want to get better at the game

And if somebody gives you crap for asking questions then idk why they are on a public game discord to begin with

[timid hatch]

Delay in response, struggled to find words, just wanna acknowledge and say I really appreciate the response here and the sentiment ^^

If "sentiment" is the word exactly

[violet shuttle]

Six seven

[split shuttle]

six seven in big 2026 is crazy

i thought we (yes we) all agreed to leave that behind in 2026

[violet shuttle]

Whose wii?

Oui oui? Nintendo wii?

[split shuttle]

[timid hatch]

Nintendo Souiche

Sub 3:30 Ephyra :D

When I've exceeded 5m sometimes that's a really good run

3:27.19 apparently

[torn wind]

What fear? Got Frenzy 2 on?

[timid hatch]

Frenzy 2 on, yes. 20 fear, I think I've been using a setup you gave me

This was with Metallic Droplet

I still don't have Jpom, haven't beat story yet

[torn wind]

Region 1 you ought just take a god keepsake and save droplet for region 3

[timid hatch]

I actually don't know if I've been making optimal boon choices either tbh

[torn wind]

Guaranteeing a specific god is strong since you don’t have the ability to randomize seeds yet

Also a very large part of ephyra times is knowing what rooms to avoid generally

[timid hatch]

Oh, that would explain a large chunk of the matter likely

[torn wind]

There’s some rooms that are absolutely atrocious like the large dining hall on the left, the room with the big hole and railings towards the top, the really long room on the right

Since they’re large enough that you can’t see the large majority of the room and they’re very likely to have multiple waves

I’ll post the diagram in #h2-victory-boasting

[main copper]

Hi I remember some guide to the rooms in Ephyra somewhere with an image

[cunning laurel]

lol they were just talking about that

check victory boasting

[raw patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1419106203765833739/1487480964236968077/ezgif.com-optimize.gif

i made this gif for my pfp but apparently nitro basic doesnt have animated pfp anymore so yall can have this

[torn wind]

Send it in #h2-victory-boasting so we can save it on the gif tab

Just since this chat doesn't allow gifs

[split shuttle]

embed failure 🔥 💔

[torn wind]

Yeah sad gifs don't work in the main chats

[raw patrol]

dropped the gif in #h2-victory-boasting

[calm zealot]

Soo… I played hades 2 demo on my crappy laptop and I wanna move it to my switch

But my laptop can’t even play hades 2 full release anymore

And there was something about sync and exit

Is it fine?

[static flax]

Hey guys do we have an official info on physical ps5 copies for hades 2?

[torn wind]

Honestly idk since switch has a physical copy. You could check in the next week if any retailers start opening pre-orders

[torn wind]

Probably a question worth #h2-tech-support

[static flax]

OK thank I will

[raw patrol]

i made it a sticker :3

[torn wind]

If only I had nitro then I’d be able to use it

Can’t use gifs in this chat sadly

I’ll just have to make do with the gif

Gif is in #h2-victory-boasting for anybody wondering

#h2-victory-boasting message

[plain wind]

Is anyone else having problems binding every action to a specific button?

I play on an Xbox Ally but I can’t bind my M[ or M2 buttons to anything for some reason

[split shuttle]

why would you want to bind every action to one specific button

[plain wind]

So that I don’t fire a hex whenever I want to check my inventory

Or check my book info when I want to dash

[split shuttle]

wouldnt that worsen things tho since once u press that button youll perform those actions simultaniously

[plain wind]

Exactly, I need to bind every action to a different option so that doesn’t happen

[torn wind]

Since when have buttons been shared on controller?

Like I’ve played on controller before and last I checked every button had a unique input

[plain wind]

I’m playing on an Xbox Ally, it might be different

[torn wind]

I mean does it not have the same number of buttons as switch?

Control pad, sticks, stick presses, 4 shoulders and 4 face buttons

That’s “the controller layout” of the last 3 generations

[spare wind]

Can anyone just give me a guide to reaching the true ending ?
I finsihed the ending 1-2 months ago but i still haven't gotten the true ending which is ||I think it was completing the fates quest||
Once I get that i can just play the game for a run or two occasionally without guilt

[torn wind]

||did you read the fated list and see the clue on how to do it||

[spare wind]

||yeah as far i remember it was something like
The one who teached you was hecate and few more people I had done it for the majority of them||

Is that the only thing you need to do for the true ending?

[torn wind]

||Well so then you gotta just keep doing relationships then it gives you a final thing to do for the true ending||

[spare wind]

|| wasn't it like for a few of them it was just talk to that person and for few you had to fully max the relationship?||

I remember heracles was a pain to give nectars to at times
As I didn't focus on that

[torn wind]

||You have to get “trust deepened” if I’m correct||

||Idk if you have to max them out||

[spare wind]

||yeah I think thats it
I'll try my best to get the true ending Tommorow||

I remember leaving the game after getting all the nights champion statues

[torn wind]

Got ya so just didn’t work on relationships enough

But yeah it’s really just making sure you talk to everybody all the time and exhaust their dialogue

Some characters like Moros take a while to give you the dialogue

And Heracles you have to win rivals 3 on surface at least once if I’m correct

But he’s not required for true ending

[granite wigeon]

moros more like moron

[torn wind]

Schelemeus more like smellymeus

[spare wind]

Tbh
Mainly i didn't know the importance of relationships because
I didn't even know they existed in hades 1 like at all lol
I just thought the only purpose of nectar was to get keepsakes

[proper seal]

Skelly more like Scary

[plain wind]

No, switch has the - and + buttons, Xbox doesn’t

[spare wind]

If I was to ever play H2 from starting again
It would be so much better but I can't be bothered to max the card again lol

[torn wind]

Yeah relationships had a WAY bigger role in H1 to be fair cause of the ally abilities

[spare wind]

By the time i had 29 hours into h1
H2 1.0 released for which I already had bought H2 early access

[torn wind]

H2 it’s just story stuff aside from like… Nem can give you kiss of Styx as a reward if you max her out

[spare wind]

Tbh after playing so much of H2
I did a run yesterday after 2 months still (no fear tho) but got a sub 11min underground first try

[spare wind]

Nemesis was the first who i maxed out lol
It was just fun to see her attitude changing

[torn wind]

That’s the only one I know that has a direct effect on gameplay. Though I think the hidden rewards from Circe, Medea, Narcissus, Arachne, Icarus and Artemis are all relationship locked maybe

[torn wind]

Nemesis magnet is real

[plain wind]

How do I change which button is the pause button?

[spare wind]

Oh my bad out of context but from circe i remembered my favourite weapon to use is aspect of circe

Doing a cast build on it is so fun

[torn wind]

🤷‍♂️ if it’s not an option then you don’t I guess

Circe is a top tier weapon and pretty fun

[spare wind]

And when you have a different boon on your cast and a different on attack
It's just the +50% damage card I think it was? Stays always active

[plain wind]

I was changing around button configuration and it changed to another button for some reason

[spare wind]

And with some practice i learned to double cast by casting my cast with my familiar at the same place

Moonstone axe is probably my least favourite out of them all

It feels too much weight

[torn wind]

Yeah origination is basically an essential for damage

Granted what you described is kinda just how every weapon works

[spare wind]

Also yeah that card +30% damage to foes in cast

The damage multipliers go crazy

[torn wind]

Furies, origination, strength are all basically mandatory for damage

[spare wind]

I mean yeah but I just find it easier to implement on circe
But maybe because I just like it

Except that's sister blades are also top tier

[torn wind]

Can drop strength for death though for survivability if you’re not comfortable without DD

[torn wind]

Ehhhhhh

[spare wind]

I dropped DD at like 40th hour i think

[torn wind]

Morrigan is pretty high tier but the rest are mid to bad tbh

[spare wind]

When i learned people use strength builds

Strength is goated

[torn wind]

No reason to not use strength if you’re not planning to get hit

[spare wind]

I just use the melinoe version the backstab is nice but still hard to do

[torn wind]

Mel is definitely second best blades

I don’t dislike blades just a lot less safe to use than many other weapons on higher fear

[spare wind]

It's just dd is good in the start but it just becomes something which decreases gameplay performance because relying too much on it

And strength is also less damage so an occasional hit or two is fine

[raw kraken]

Pause->options->controls

[spare wind]

And the no damage for first 3 hits on the guardian is goated toi

[torn wind]

The thing is strength is basically worthless at high fear once you get vow of scars 3 since you’re unable to heal

So there’s a point where death becomes the default

[spare wind]

Considering high fear
I haven't even used sister blades on fear
All of the night champions I have done is with circe and black coat

[torn wind]

Yeah for sure check this

#h2-victory-boasting message

Tank the instakill with it for free damage

I have 40 underworld on nearly every aspect and 40 surface on like half

Just haven’t tried all of them, not that I failed on the ones I don’t have

[spare wind]

Damn the perfect use of resist is phenomenal

[torn wind]

Basically everything is viable but I will say some definitely have way less resistance for pushing higher fear

[torn wind]

White Antler 💪

[spare wind]

I have done max like 40 underground and 32 surface

Although they weren't that fast but I managed to do so

[torn wind]

I choked a 58 fear on rivals Typhon

It sucked

[spare wind]

There's something so satisfying about doing a fast no fear underground run

[torn wind]

At minimum turn on Frenzy 2 and Shadow for underworld

Frenzy 2 makes enemies spawn faster and makes invulnerables faster

It saves time

[spare wind]

Time too yeah

[torn wind]

And shadow makes wardens faster

[torn wind]

If you still need the altars in region 4 I guess

But not necessary

Shadow is used because it makes shadow spiller faster and gives you more targets to hitch on other fights

[spare wind]

I don't even remember much of the how I did the fear runs lol it was 2 months ago
I just play H2 for the love of the game now

Downloaded it yesterday

[torn wind]

Well we got new content incoming in two weeks so no better time to get back into it

[spare wind]

Yeah that's primarily the reason I did so loll

Better to get back into it
With a new fear record soon maybe

My steam backlog seeing me reinstall h2

[torn wind]

I’d say everything up to like 45-50 fear is still pretty easy with enough RNG and a good build but once you gotta turn on hordes, grit, return, pain, and forfeit it gets more painful

[granite wigeon]

ppl always discribing their steam libarary like its a huge burden

just stop buying games you arent gonna play bruh

buy some fried chicken witht hose 20 bucks

[torn wind]

You start having to really get better at the game above 50 fear

And that’s what I’m struggling with right now

[spare wind]

It's not like i don't wanna play them
I bought them this sale but saw H2 news drop so was tempted to play it again

The trailer for xbox was also sick

[torn wind]

I mean I stepped away from H2 to play Cyberpunk. Played that obsessively for 2-3 weeks then came back

[spare wind]

It's ig easy after you have tried and done all the rivals
Rivals in starting are hard

[torn wind]

Rivals is definitely way more of a step up on difficulty compared to extreme measures in H1

[spare wind]

I had been playing primarily sim games like satisfactory past month or so

[spare wind]

Eris rival was hard mann

[torn wind]

Rivals Scylla goes from being like 3 easiest bosses in the game to second or third hardest

[spare wind]

Rivals scylla i found it easy imo

[granite wigeon]

i found her rivals to be easier than her default

[torn wind]

Eris is on the easier side of rivals but easy to slip up on

I don’t think it’s easier than her normal fight because of health bar and how much more she flies away, but it’s definitely on the easier side of rivals bosses

[spare wind]

Dk i struggled with Eris quite a bit
Because she is so annoying to fly up again and again

[torn wind]

Rivals Eris will be a totally PITA if you don’t melt her

[spare wind]

Without freeze it's annoying as heck

[torn wind]

Normal Eris has so little health you can fight her and win before she ever gets to fly away

[spare wind]

Yeah it's astronomical level of ragebait every second

Do you play using a controller?

[torn wind]

Nah KBM

[spare wind]

Same KnM is so tactical i love it

[torn wind]

Eris is way easier with kbm since you can strafe around her while still aiming

You can on controller but it’s way easier on kbm

[spare wind]

I don't even know how people aim using a controller man

[torn wind]

It’s amazing on some weapons like Medea but definitely I prefer independent aiming and movement

Medea is good since your main form of damage IS your movement

[spare wind]

And for me as I have played all games except car games with KnM
It just feels more immersive

[spare wind]

The skull right?

[torn wind]

Yeah

[deep harbor]

ok wow. I knew that the Pan daggers were bad now but hot damn that run was stupid

[torn wind]

Instead of using them the intended way hunt for trick knives and reaper knives from Daedalus hammers

[spare wind]

Well I gtg now
Will do some more run in a bit

Runs*

[deep harbor]

I had to do a surface run with the daggers for a prophecy, last one i needed. Pan was the only one i had maxed so I tried it. I got lucky with hammers and took Poseidon on special early with Apollo's expanding cast

I succeeded, but like i was on almost single digit health after Eris

[torn wind]

Pan would be a lot better if it let you dash while charging omega special like so many other weapons do

[deep harbor]

once I got the hammer that put the omega special all in a straight line i could pretty much ignore casts against Prom and Typhon

[torn wind]

That’s how you play Charon is dash charging the ospecial and yet pan can’t do that despite having a similar design philosophy

[deep harbor]

well now I have to find Artemis to unlock ||the hidden Daggers||

[torn wind]

Pan likes lightning lance

[deep harbor]

more likely in the underworld right?

[torn wind]

Surface more likely if you prioritize heart, tonic, or Selene doors

She’s got a good chance to show up on those

[deep harbor]

alright

[torn wind]

She only shows up in non-god rooms in ephyra

Idk about Daedalus maybe she’ll show up in those

But she’ll never appear in a room with a god boon

[deep harbor]

god the worst part about trying to max out the weapons is the nightmare needed

[torn wind]

Charon shipments

But yeah if you don’t like playing multiple weapons it can be a bit of a slog to get nightmare

I had all of them maxed out not long after credits though IIRC

[split shuttle]

nah its for the love of the game

you arent a true gamer if u havent had a long ass backlog at least once

[deep harbor]

i've been mostly sticking to the aspects i know i like, but i've tried some experiments here and there. I love the Mel and Thanatos Axe, I love the torches and I absolutely love the Circe staff

Just slap zeus on cast and that thing melts bosses

[torn wind]

Torches was easily my standout favorite early on

I’ve also become quite attached to Hel oddly enough despite it being one of the most hated aspects

[deep harbor]

my firs successful surface run in EA was the mel torches with Hestia on attack. Massive scorch bars

[torn wind]

Anubis is fun, I like Supay and did two of my four 50 fear clears on it

[deep harbor]

i've only pumped up the fear for nightmare or the first level of the ||weird challenge things Schelemus sets you||

[torn wind]

I never played during EA though so not sure what all changed

[torn wind]

Ah yes the nights champion rewards

[deep harbor]

all i remember from EA was Pan daggers with Poseidon were bonkers and nerfed too hard if you ask me. and Supay was nerfed really quickly

[torn wind]

Oh yeah absolutely I’ve seen clips of that

And they also used EA footage in the new trailer

From back when Supay had 6 projectiles

[timid hatch]

It's still slightly strange to me that people don't keep going for the Thirst, heh. Drink up all 'em bones like chicken broth

[torn wind]

I mean at some point you accept that you’re gonna get some bones during a run already and you get a lot more kudos from collected resources than from converting bones to psyche

But grave thirst for gems makes a lot more sense

[timid hatch]

I suppose the bones themselves are less needed once you're way deep in but it's a good excuse to mix up weapons too. Suppose some people like specialization though

[torn wind]

After unlocking the gems it becomes a lot more worthwhile to do grave thirst since it’s 100 kudos every run

120 or so bones every run isn’t as worth it for most people

[timid hatch]

Are kudos used for anything besides cosmetics?

[torn wind]

Nah just decorations and tavern rank

Tavern ranks are where half your kudos are gonna go

Cause max rank is like 100k kudos total

[timid hatch]

Bones are also used for Nectar, Ambrosia, and eventually Stardust/Nightmare.

(though eventually you max them all out going long enough)

[unkempt zodiac]

And yet it is still infinitely easier than h1

[torn wind]

Yeah H1 was so stingy about resources

[deep harbor]

Me: Vow of Rivals isn't so bad. Polyphemus was easy and Hecate was managable
Scylla ||and Charybdis||: Bonjour
Eris: Howdy boom

times like this i regret trying to run Strength over DD

[torn wind]

Prometheus and ||Heracles||: Yo 🔥

[deep harbor]

heard about that one, can't do it till i beat Scylla and Eris afaik

[torn wind]

Yeah you have to win each tier on both to unlock the next

And then Typhon and Chronos you just have to reach them, not win

Though there is a hidden ||song for each for beating them twice||

[deep harbor]

I only took one good shot at Scylla and the first 2 regions were stingy with any kind of extra health or armor so I was a glass cannon going into a fight i had no idea about

Eris I got 3 tries on so far, got her to literally one hit from death on the third try. Those mines man, blast is too big to detonate with any melee weapon and the cast has to be almost right on the edge, plus she starts spamming them later

[torn wind]

Since the rivals fights ||have remixed tracks||

Rivals Scylla is in top 3 hardest fights

Especially to do quick

[deep harbor]

I got her to like half pretty quick with Medea skull + Zeus/Hera

but i had like, 100ish total HP

I heard that aspect was bonkers and, yeah i can see it. Zeus on special, whatever you want on attack (Hera is good for CC) and yeah, load 1-2 skulls, special dash and delete.

[raw patrol]

ngl i got a bit overwhelmed with the amount of different resources u gotta hoard

and psyche and ashes always showing up like youll need it later but that never came up

[deep harbor]

I pretty much always pick bones now if the choice is bones or ash.

[torn wind]

Psyche and ashes after the altar is just needed for shadow extraction

Well or take nectar if you need/want the Pom

[raw patrol]

yea i would very much prefer if they turned it off after all the need for shadow is gone

[torn wind]

100 bones translates to 15 psyche which is only 45 kudos

That’s far less than you get from most collectible resources

So it’s pretty inconsequential to take bone rewards

[torn wind]

You can still take them for health and magick

Which when you’re at high fear and can’t heal due to scars that can matter

And nectar still gives a Pom slice

[raw patrol]

wait wdym

[torn wind]

There’s an incantation for ashes, bones and nectar

Gives health for ashes

Magick for bones and a Pom slice for nectar

So gives you a reward, even if a small one, to still collect them even after you no longer need them

Otherwise they would be genuinely worthless

[raw patrol]

oh yea i know that

it was in hades 1 too, i was talking about shadow extraction

[torn wind]

Yeah I recall I just wasn’t sure cause I see a lot of people either don’t know or forgot that was a thing

[plain wind]

If possible, without spoilers, is it important to salute everyone you meet?

Because my Xbox Ally is doing this thing where certain buttons do and don’t work depending on if it’s in desktop or gamepad mode

[jolly hound]

nope

[jolly hound]

artificer arcana is your friend

[torn wind]

Especially on surface I almost never use all my artificers on surface

[raw patrol]

i love artificer but not what i was talking about 😭

i mean like once the shadow extraction ritual has no more use, just make sure to list psyche as sellable for broker shop

and the pet treats too

[torn wind]

Psyche can be sold yeah. Sadly treats can’t be

There’s no reason to pick up anything at the region 4 altars if you’re just working for kudos since none of it can be sold

[lean bronze]

I BEAT UNRIVALED TYPHON!!!!!!

[lean bronze]

the people who said chronos is harder were right
rival chronos is on an entirely different level of difficulty compared to rival typhon
and its not even close

[jolly hound]

yup

[torn wind]

Absolutely between those huge lasers across the screen to the clone and triple scythe throw

Rivals typhon is a skill check, but Rivals Chronos is a whole mental capacity check

Rivals Typhon you just stand to the edges of the arena but there’s no safe places against rivals Chronos

[lean bronze]

kinda
i dont select the other vows
but rival typhon you just need to have all 3 DDs, have a dps keepsake, have a good amount of hp
and facetank it all

[torn wind]

Well once you turn on Vow of Pain it becomes a whole different situation

And frenzy 2

[lean bronze]

no ty im by all means a noob

[torn wind]

Frenzy 2 rivals chronos is a whole other beast

Bro does not let you breathe

[jolly hound]

Pretty much need deep dissent for me to have a shot

[torn wind]

Just outdamage them ez

[jolly hound]

oh yeah why didn’t I think of that

[lean bronze]

funny lv4 heroic weed killer

[jolly hound]

poor weed

[torn wind]

🍃

My first 50F underworld and surface was also my second time ever beating rivals Typhon and chronos

That was an experience

I first tried both of them on Frenzy 2 but then died once I actually started to add vows above like 32 fear

[lean bronze]

no DDs lost vs scylla or hecate
this might be the run

[torn wind]

Fields and Tartarus is so free until rivals chronos

Like there’s a trough of difficulty between Erebus being rough early with few boons or bad options, Oceanus being capable of total BS like getting bum rushed by fish and rivals Scylla being a crapshoot, then fields and tart being super free, then rivals chronos being HELL

[lean bronze]

my damage is so high
THIS IS THE RUN
I BELIEVE

[lean bronze]

just gotta watch out vs cerb

YESSSSS

I BEAT UNRIVALED CHRONOS!!!

fresh file run training by using strength arcana

[torn wind]

But then that’s not fresh file cause you have the damage reduction

Also rivals chronos requires 6 runs with vows minimum to even unlock

[jolly hound]

try just shutting down all the arcana, strength is very much not an irrelevant card

[torn wind]

40% damage reduction is massive

[lean bronze]

thats why its training
i needa get used to using no DDs with mel aspect staff in UW

[torn wind]

It’s not training for fresh file unless you don’t take gods you don’t have access to at game start

And no familiar

And base aspect

[lean bronze]

anyone else other than ares

[lean bronze]

ye i know no familiar and mel aspect staff

[torn wind]

Hephaestus, Demeter, Hera, Ares

Pretty sure you have access to none of them on fresh file

[lean bronze]

[torn wind]

But BASE aspect

Like no buffs at all

[lean bronze]

as close as i can get

[torn wind]

Mel staff has a massive aspect buff

Closest you can get is using momus and not using omegas

[lean bronze]

ill start runs on fresh files at some point
but ive like zero experience using the thing
i need experience

[lean bronze]

no familiar circe

[torn wind]

Now that I consider it… yeah

[lean bronze]

i know about being under half hp after fountain to avoid eris

i have every keepsake at 3 star except heph shard lol

still 1 star, untouched

[broken creek]

best way is to just try em tbh

fresh file is a lot more forgiving than you think, the god pool is so limited getting the right duo is expected

[bitter stirrup]

I think you can get Demeter but not Zeus

[torn wind]

I couldn’t remember what the fresh file god pool was yeah

[tired iris]

My Strength Arcana is not active, but as far as I can tell I have nothing that gives me death defiance. Picked Demeter's keepsake, just started a run, and have no death defiance Arcana. What might be the problem?

[bitter stirrup]

Toula?

[crude dragon]

You on your Dissolution of Time run?

[tired iris]

Oh, didn't know cats prevent death

[crude dragon]

Oh, yeah. Toula has a DD

[tired iris]

Damn. I like her fish catching thing but want to run Strength

[crude dragon]

I mean, you can eat her DD at the start of a run

[lean bronze]

is there a way to stop the tps to asphodel? i absolutely hate it when im attempting a high difficulty run and just lose a DD and a majority of my hp

[bitter stirrup]

Just run out the circle until it hits 0%

[lean bronze]

you dont have to reach 100% to escape???

[bitter stirrup]

You get to skip the room if you let it hit 0% but you don't get the reward

[lean bronze]

definitely something id prefer compared to losing my whole run
thanks for the tip

so i met nem at max friendship
and chose to stay
so they either chilled or they did smth that forced a black screen
interesting

[crude dragon]

What region?

[lean bronze]

tartarus

[crude dragon]

Oh, that's gotta be coarse and rough and irritating and getting everywhere

[lean bronze]

for real tho, what canonically happened
am i right

[bitter stirrup]

Rather that than Erebus grass tbh at least you can kinda clear it out

[crude dragon]

Yeah, but the chafing

[lean bronze]

also am curious
does that happen everytime they meet

[wide wigeon]

sand ahh lmao

[wide wigeon]

no js once

[worldly bobcat]

Haven’t even gotten the final ending for hades 1 and hades 2 releases in April. I need to blitz the rest of it so I can experience hades 2 day 1

And I definitely haven’t already completely spoiled myself to all of the characters showing up and also the ending. Nuh uh definitely didn’t do that definitely a blank slate

[lean bronze]

poor mel
ahem

[wide wigeon]

yeah i need more too cause it js feels like they did the deed and never talked about it like it was nothing

[lean bronze]

hopefully they make it a re-occuring event with the newest patch for console in a week and a half
it also feels weird how the friendship/romance story line just abruptly ends with that

with new dialogue

[wide wigeon]

its like that with every single character its weird

[lean bronze]

aphro acknowledged it
thats about it tho

i remember a time when i was tryharding for n-mares
now i have 41 of em

black coat testaments left, pretty scary tho

[bitter stirrup]

Coat is the safest weapon in the game just spam special from a safe distance

[lean bronze]

i must be immensely bad at coat
it feels worse than every other weapon

[gaunt glacier]

good luck on your journey, you got this

fresh file i think consensus is around 45 fear worth of difficulty

so its gonna be a tall hill to climb, but still very doable

[wide wigeon]

WHAT FR?

[gaunt glacier]

yeah?

[wide wigeon]

damn guess im that good then

I didnt know it was 45 fear worth

[lean bronze]

oh no im cooked

[wide wigeon]

lmao I didnt even know they measured fresh file difficulty like that

[gaunt glacier]

no arcana so automatic 5 fear from void, lack of meta upgrades from aspect upgrades and familiars, limited god pool, and eris mechanic for forced damage

[gaunt glacier]

we don’t tbh, we just get asked how hard ff is frequently so its easiest to translate it to the in game difficulty system roughly

[wide wigeon]

that eric mechanic really js there for ragebait I hated it

im done with ff tho idk if i wanna improve my time

[gaunt glacier]

nah you got this

a lot of ff is practice

[lean bronze]

im gonna keep my hp low and skip the eris mechanic

[lean bronze]

i feel like i should to do a 50f run before doing a ff run

no void no rivals is my guess

[gaunt glacier]

i recommend just play ff if your goal is to clear ff

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah I've done 50f no Void no Rivals I would say FF is harder (though I've only tried FF once and died to Scylla)

[gaunt glacier]

the actual game and ff plays very differently mostly due to the god pool and lack of both meta upgrades and npc encounters

[bitter stirrup]

Just cause your damage is so low

[gaunt glacier]

in ff, arachne, nem, echo, narc, dad, all don’t exist

[lean bronze]

my goal is undefined tbh
ill try different things
speedrunning, high fear and ff, not sure what i wanna do

[bitter stirrup]

And also the best build is Beach Ball and I haven't learned how to aim Beach Ball efficiently

[lean bronze]

ok staring at the fear selection menu this is terrifying
no healing
100% dmg, enemy has every buff imaginable

[gaunt glacier]

if you want to be serious with clearing ff, I suggest joining the Speedcord. There is a dedicated channel and guide for fresh file

[lean bronze]

no link
dm link?

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah I wouldn't recommend it for first 50f for most people tbh though in some ways it can be easier than doing it with like Rivals 3 because the bosses are so much easier, becomes more of an endurance test to get through encounters

[gaunt glacier]

#self-promotion message

[lean bronze]

surface i can manage rivals without frenzy
idk about frenzy rivals on surface
UW im definitely dead, all five DDs gone at hecate

[bitter stirrup]

"Real" easiest 50 is either the Void 0 Rivals 0 max everything else or probably Pain 0 Hordes 2 Scars 2 Void 0 Rivals 3 max everything else

[lean bronze]

will be kept in mind for future 50f attempts

[bitter stirrup]

This discussion (and also the fact that my sister is trying to clear fresh file, and also the fact that I'm tired of practicing Rivals Chronos) made me want to try fresh file again and I got Beach Ball pre-Hecate lol

[lean bronze]

ok time to clear fated list boons
this is gonna take a billion years

[wide wigeon]

need to keep your hp 30% before the fountain

[lean bronze]

[lean bronze]

oh dear getting legendaries is gonna need me to sacrifice all my arcana for dices

[lean bronze]

** TWO LEGENDARIES I NEED IN ONE RUN, THANK YOU FATES**

[bitter stirrup]

Ok I take it back it's not harder than 50f

Maybe 40-45 yeah

Being able to just dodge at times without worrying about time makes it not as hard

#h2-victory-boasting message I still despise Beach Ball aiming though

[craggy portal]

What does beach ball do? (I’ve never come across it before)

[hazy parrot]

its the apollo poseidon duo. big ball of water follows you around as you sprint, and when you stop, it lunges ahead and hits enemies in an aoe

i really like how the beach ball looks. its really pretty. they updated the texture in a patch not too long ago

[craggy portal]

Oh neat I’ll start looking for it in my runs

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah it's deceptively strong but I don't really know how to aim it efficiently, I'm sure there's tech for it though

[hazy parrot]

to my knowledge, its the meta for fresh file because you always start w apollo and its p powerful

[wide wigeon]

its so peak

I didnt pick the apollo attack in my ff clear

[bitter stirrup]

I saw your clear in the speedcord, you got like 120k BB damage right

[wide wigeon]

yeahhhh

you on speed cord? hell yeah

[grave kite]

Do you think for the April Update, did they rewrote the ending again ?

[prime iron]

why the hell are 60ish fear clears so common in h2

like the oath does not seem that much easier than the first game

[prime iron]

relatively, atleast

[cunning laurel]

h1 pact had 2 really rng based ones and it just made it unfun to play

oath is way better and wins on 62 are almost 100% skill

[bitter stirrup]

Also there's more ways to get DDs back and more ways to avoid getting damaged

[tropic ravine]

Guys did you see the hades 1 early access come out im def gonna play when it comes out

(He hid for 30 years)

[split shuttle]

the existence of jpom alone makes it 100x easier

like if fates whim were to exist in h1

lowk the game would be so much easier

plus approval process doesnt exist in this game

if h1 had fw and no approval process i can guarantee it would be a lot easier to get a max heat clear there

[raw patrol]

what did approval process do again

was it the pool of purging thing?

[bitter stirrup]

Removes options when you select boons

You're thinking of Underworld Customs

[spare wind]

where can i send a h2 screenshot? i need to ask somethinmg

[torn wind]

#h2-victory-boasting is the only channel that accepts posting files but I think the chats besides #h2-discussion and #h2-for-new-players accept links to images or videos

So can upload to Imgur or something and post it as a link. Or can post the image/video in another server and copy the discord media link

[safe jetty]

Is H2 finished? I heard there finally adding it to console

[timid vigil]

yes

they said there will be bonus content with the console release version, we don't know what exactly but probably nothing major, the game is done

[formal kindle]

Will hades 2 come out on the n64? Its the only console i have

[jolly hound]

yea, you have to 100% donkey Kong country first tho

[formal kindle]

Oh no...

[timid hatch]

||"I know your every move, while you know nothing"||

...||Prometheus||, did you have to go that hard there? Like wow that's a hard line, directed at the player is severe XD

[formal kindle]

I dont see how that is directed at the player

I may be dumb, though

[torn wind]

DK Country on N64?

You mean DK64?

[timid hatch]

I mean it's directed at Mel technically, who the player is playing, just kind of hits

[formal kindle]

I gotta 100% a game on a whole different console to play hades 2 on the n64

[torn wind]

Yes you gotta buy a SNES now

[formal kindle]

Can i not just use my switch online subscription...

[jolly hound]

yeah if you 100% it you can unlock zagreus in smash 64

you think chronos only has powers in a video game? nope

[torn wind]

Chronos rewinding the clocks on video game generations

[timid vigil]

god i wish zag was in a fighting game

actually, i would love a hades fighting game

[jolly hound]

the balance would be so scuffed lmao Achilles vs Zeus on paper is a pile of dust and Zeus after two seconds

but they somehow made a fair fight possible between the animal crossing manager dog lady and a space dragon (Ridley I think?)

Play as hades and never use howling soul cause it’s impossible to aim

[deep harbor]

Me: oh what's this in Charon's Shop? ||Forgetting H1 entirely||
||Zagreus||: Bonjour, u ded now

[formal kindle]

Can he ||turn my stuff into gold||

[jolly hound]

yep

[formal kindle]

Whoa i should get him to do that

Ill be rich!

[formal kindle]

A hades fighting game would be so cool

It'd probably be non-canon, though

[timid vigil]

it would be amazing

[formal kindle]

Agreed

[mint tiger]

Anyone else have a lot of trouble clearing 32 underworld fear
I just cant stop dying

[torn wind]

What’s your vow setup?

That matters a lot. There’s fear setups that are WAY harder

Hordes 3 grit 3 wards 2 is way harder than it’s worth for fear

[mint tiger]

Well im not on pc riiiight now
Let me see

[torn wind]

Let me send you the h2crossroads tool one second

[mint tiger]

Damm ok nice

[torn wind]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsOF0%3D

Can drop rivals 3 and take hubris and denial

Or debt

That setup is pretty free

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwxLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsNV0%3D

[mint tiger]

This is my go to...
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzMsMCwwLDAsMSwzLDIsNSwxLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwyLDIsOF0=

[timid vigil]

Also what aspect are you using?

[mint tiger]

I keep swapping weapons

[torn wind]

Oof yeah you’re giving yourself a WAY harder time with a setup like that

[mint tiger]

Im really not use to tine

Time*

[torn wind]

Pain 2 is something I’m anxious to even turn on at 50 fear

[timid vigil]

Also share your arcana

Pain 2 is crazy

[mint tiger]

Thats much harder to recall by image... But ill try

[torn wind]

Use the tool on h2crossroads

Same site you’re using

Tab next to fear is for arcana

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck

That’s your ground-zero setup for pushing fear if you’re running jpom

[timid vigil]

Have you finished the main story? Do you have all keepsakes?

[mint tiger]

Yeah nope ... I aint aboe to recall my arcana cards especially without it listing the activate requirments

[timid vigil]

You don't need jpom to do 32 tbh, but it helps for sure

[mint tiger]

I dont have the last 3 from i know who

[torn wind]

Nah but I just genuinely prefer running jpom cause a lot of the builds I enjoy benefit from it a lot like Heph blasts

[mint tiger]

I played mostly before 1.0

[timid vigil]

Yeah so you wanna run all rerolls

[torn wind]

Yeah god keepsakes are still very powerful

Being able to guarantee not getting screwed by your god pool is strong

[mint tiger]

Ok let me do my Best SHOT at what i belive my arcana looks like

[torn wind]

But yeah I’d say Rivals 3 underworld is free

Rivals 3 underworld is way harder

Rivals prom is way harder than rivals cerb

[timid vigil]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImMxMiIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxNiIsImMxNyIsImMyMSIsImMyMiJd

[mint tiger]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImMzIiwiYzUiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzkiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiXQ==

[torn wind]

I pulled out my surface 32 fear forgetting you were likely running UW

[timid vigil]

Unseen is really bad

Also you need origination

[torn wind]

Unseen is absolutely not worth it

[mint tiger]

... But then i dont need to take a magic regen boon

[torn wind]

What aspect are you running?

[timid vigil]

Not really

Unseen doesn't Regen always

[torn wind]

Depending on aspect a gain is sometimes something you don’t even take

Unless you need it for a duo/legendary

Depending on aspect unseen is effectively useless

[timid vigil]

Unseen only regens magick when you're doing nothing

It's bad

[torn wind]

Well “not channeling”

But yeah so next to useless on torches

Except maybe Eos and Supay

But not at all worth taking over orig

[mint tiger]

Ive run:
Anubis
Charon
Persephone
And i just wanted to start trying morrigan

[timid vigil]

Origination is your big dmg source you need it

[torn wind]

Orig damage buff is MASSIVE

Like not running furies or orig is crippling your damage

Those two are basically mandatory at a higher level

[timid vigil]

For anubis you can run without mana Regen if you're not going for the ospec

[deep harbor]

Am i doing something wrong? I can clear max time Ephyra with like a min to spare.

but every time i try Erebus i run out of time on Hecate

[timid vigil]

Charon you just need Apollo cast

[deep harbor]

just seems like the rooms go on forever

not the enemies, though that is a problem. More the number of rooms i pass

[torn wind]

That’s normal if you get bad encounter RNG. You also get way less boons in Erebus compared to Ephyra

[mint tiger]

I try to find it
It always eludes me

[timid vigil]

interesting, it's usually the other way around, ephyra usually takes longer

[torn wind]

And more encounters on average

[timid vigil]

Start Apollo keepsake with rerolls

[mint tiger]

I DO

[deep harbor]

Ephyra you can pause the timer to scout the area. pick your rooms and rush between them.

[timid vigil]

No way

[mint tiger]

Way

[deep harbor]

Erebus you're just hitting random rooms every time.

[torn wind]

In ephyra you’re likely to get a lot of one-wave encounters and all the boons you want but Erebus you’re likely to get screwed by minor rewards

Ephyra is a buffet

[timid vigil]

Still, just having Apollo on your pool eventually his Regen will show up

[mint tiger]

I love artificer for that reason

[deep harbor]

picked a door for a centaur heart. Instead Nemesis wanted my attack boon for gold, i said no, she moved on and i didn't get the heart (i don't think)

was so stupid

[torn wind]

Artificer is amazing for end-game

[timid vigil]

Yeah nemesis is a troll

Sometimes

[shut needle]

Artemis is Bae

[deep harbor]

but like straight up denying you the room reward you pick?

[torn wind]

Nem will never show up on boon rooms to steal the reward if I’m correct

[timid vigil]

It's a random event, youre skipping the encounter (cause she killed everybody) and so you don't get the reward

Sometimes shell give you the stuff

[deep harbor]

boo

[torn wind]

She can show up to wager on kills on boon rooms though iirc

[timid vigil]

Well, rng is part of a roguelike

Still, Erebus shouldn't take that long

[torn wind]

If you cared about RNG you’d not be trying to go fast on a Roguelike

It’s pain

[shut needle]

Ya know it's crazy on the surface you can get up to 5 assists from others maybe 6, I think I've gotten Athena more than once with her keepsake and a normal spawn in she had.

[timid vigil]

wdym it's super cool to try and learn every single possible layout on fields 🙂

[shut needle]

Each room in Ephera is always the same layout

[timid vigil]

yeah that's something people also optimize

Some rooms are usually faster encounters

[shut needle]

I've definitely seen the same rooms ya not just the bosses one either lol

[timid vigil]

yeah there are specific layouts for fields

[tired iris]

Holy schneikes (thanks nannybot mod), even fighting ||Typhon||'s tail is more epic than anything else has been so far in the series. The epic siege of Olympus and then the eldritch monstrosity of the summit is a massive step up from fighting a bunch of goats and rats at the end of H1 and at the end of Tartarus in H2.

[shut needle]

I could only tell with the small ones

[torn wind]

Yeah surface has a ton of random encounters though some can lose you time like Athena and Heracles (if you get him in a health/tonic room or in Thessaly )

Heracles always shows up on the first encounter in Thessaly so you have a chance he will take up to 10-15 seconds to waddle over and drop the gold and walk away

[timid vigil]

I hate it

[torn wind]

I’ve had that happen where I was just running around the entire time WAITING

[shut needle]

Really, always? I haven't gotten him there every time.

[torn wind]

No I mean he won’t show up after choosing a reward

He always shows up after you warp to the next ship

When there isn’t a reward to pick up

[timid vigil]

He only shows up on the first encounter of a ship, which is usually really short

[torn wind]

Unless you have a soul to compel you’ll likely lose time

There isn’t ever a second wave on the first encounter of a ship after the warp

So you’ll usually lose time if you get Heracles

[timid vigil]

Surface is a troll route

You know things are dire when zag is a time save (sometimes)

[torn wind]

I do like surface though tbh

I know it’s got a lot of BS but I enjoy is both casually and for speedrun attempts

(I can’t get a terrible Oceanus RNG if I just am not in Oceanus)

[timid vigil]

I like surface cause I love doing funny builds and ephyra is the best place for it

[torn wind]

I hate losing a good run to bad Oceanus RNG

Yeah ephyra is literally just free build crafting

[timid vigil]

It's been a while since I tried doing a Speedrun

[shut needle]

Jeweled pom lover here, bring on the rng

[timid vigil]

I was doing DASO early and I forgot you're supposed to take fig leaf r2

[torn wind]

“Damn that’s a good boon selection let’s go” “ew wtf Demeter ares apollo aphro I don’t want that”

Lolll yeah you’re not doing high fear

[timid vigil]

Yeah I eventually remembered and then got fig scammed on Olympus anyway 🙂

[torn wind]

It’s funny cause you’ll look at UW speed runners and legit had a conversation with Foolish about the WR saying “yeah it’s actually better that I got fig scammed in Oceanus cause it saved time”

“There wasn’t an Oceanus room it would’ve improved” was what they said

Like fig scam genuinely saved time on the UW world record

[deep harbor]

So after crossing 2 things off in one run (16 fear underworld, bringing Toula) i have come to some conclusions

1. when you start going for fear, you need upgraded aspects, and ones you're familliar with more than any specific boons
2. Toula sucks

[vale blaze]

can someone guide me to defeat typhon

[deep harbor]

Git gud....at dodging his attacks.

like, focus more on evasion and take safe shots rather than try to DPS him down fast if you're not familliar with the fight

Don't neglect your damage ofc, you do need to kill him, the faster the better. But fr learning his moves is probably the best advice i can give.

well that or stack a high levelled zeus cast under him and stand back

[vale blaze]

whats easiest weapon to use

and boons for that

[deep harbor]

whichever one you're most comfortable with.

[vale blaze]

as well as hammers

how about for skull medea

whats the best build for that

[deep harbor]

Medea skull is one of the strongest aspects afaik. You want Zeus on special and congrats, build done.

i'm half joking

[vale blaze]

do attack boons do anything for charging the special

[deep harbor]

i know they apply curses. Hera for example will stack hitch on something you hit.

[vale blaze]

so like a 100% increase to attacks does not stack when the special is charged?

[deep harbor]

but yeah zeus on special, hera on atk is good for clearing rooms but really anything works. You might want Demeter somewhere for the comfort of freeze or hephaestus for some of his armor boons.

For hammers, just look for anything that buffs your special damage.

load 1-2 skulls, special, repeat.

[vale blaze]

1-2 thats it???

is it negative returns when i full load

[deep harbor]

that's all you need to clear most smaller enemies. even armored ones.

your special will both apply, and proc blitz with one hit

[vale blaze]

so i full charge against bosses right?

[deep harbor]

probably could. especially if you're not familliar with their moves, it can get you some bigger single bursts even if the DPS is down a little.

[vale blaze]

do u know what a good arcana to use is

[jolly hound]

would recommend not, Medea is a rhythm game and sticking with the rhythm that got you there is gonna do more damage overall

if you have a free second to load another shell up sure go for it but don’t delay your attack to add another shell

[timid vigil]

toula does suck, about the upgrades it really depends on the aspec

[jolly hound]

also just get possessed array and born gain and you win

[vale blaze]

are these hammers?

[timid vigil]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiXQ== for rerolls

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ== for fates whim

[jolly hound]

Possessed array is; born gain is Hera magic regen

[timid vigil]

you can switch strength for death

[timid vigil]

you can switch sorceress for wayward son if not using an omega heavy aspect

[jolly hound]

It will require a decently large investment in mana to last through chronos fight, but p array is absolutely cracked

[deep harbor]

I realize now why i was struggling so much bringing Toula past Scylla ||and charybdis||

[torn wind]

Generally you’re safest standing directly under his chin since half his attacks can’t hit you there. If you see him go for the chin slam or whirlwinds just step back

[deep harbor]

Toula, the lovable little lazy ass, gives you a DD which turns off strength

so i swapped to DD for that run and yeah, won it

[vale blaze]

does the laser hit right by him

or do i have to dodge

[torn wind]

Only reason to run Toula is for early run clear to beat time due to vow of forfeit

[torn wind]

Nah it hits at the tip of the tongue

As long as you stay under his chin it can’t hit you

[deep harbor]

i ran her because i had to do the "clear either route with each familliar" prophecy.

[torn wind]

It can push you slightly out but just dodge at him and it can’t hit you

[vale blaze]

also how do i unlock more pets i only have the cat and the crow

[deep harbor]

i could have just turned off all the fear and did a quick run but I wanted to challenge myself.

[torn wind]

Do you never confide in frinos?

He’s right there

Frorg buddy

[vale blaze]

who is frinpos

[deep harbor]

frog behind your spawn point when you come back from a run

[torn wind]

Wow you never once walked over to the frog after a run?

[deep harbor]

there's a prophecy for talking to him over 6 nights

[vale blaze]

oh there is a frog

[torn wind]

Mel calls him by name

[vale blaze]

lmao i never knew that

[torn wind]

Frinos

[deep harbor]

but yeah i have come to the conclusion my best aspect/boon combo is Thanatos axe with Aphro on atk

[vale blaze]

okay so now how do i get the other animals

[deep harbor]

i tried Apollo, damage is comprable if a little bit lower, but man i miss that tiny bit extra. and opening up weak boons later

[deep harbor]

dog is in Echo's room in The Mourning Fields (underworld). polecat is in the last shop before Prometheus (surface)

[torn wind]

You have to do some stuff to unlock the ability to bake treats

I can’t remember the exact requirements

[deep harbor]

don't you need treats to get Toula out of Thessaly?

said they already had toula and raki

[torn wind]

The original incantation that unlocks familiars gives you 3 treats if I’m correct

[deep harbor]

right that would explain it

[raw kraken]

Hera is my favorite

Spreads damage better and it’s a curse

[deep harbor]

axe does big single smacks, Aphro gives a big % boost and boosts damage at close (read: the only) range.

I'm seeing almost 400 per swing on some of those enemies with just a rare.

[vale blaze]

would someone be willing to guide me on an olympus run in vc?

[torn wind]

Yes but if I can deal 30% of that damage to every enemy in the room for every enemy that I hit then it ends up doing more damage and doesn’t lead to as much overkill

It doesn’t matter if I’m doing more damage if it only takes 50% of the damage that I’m doing per hit to kill an enemy

Then I’m just wasting effort

[deep harbor]

your cleave is so wide ranged that you're hitting most if not all relevant targets in the room anyway and i'd rather have that extra damage for guardians and bosses.