h2-discussion

[craggy totem]

Bro neither of the Hermes shrines that showed up after I got antlered had armor

No Banishment but I'm assuming Smaller Stature has gotta be the take here

I can't believe Ares and Zeus are both in my pool but Zeus has refused to give me special and Ares is refusing to give me Blood Spree

Time to die to Eris

Holy moly I didn't die to Eris, Howling Soul Zeus cast mvp

[calm flicker]

Why is it so easy to amass 1000 g for Moon Dust?

[craggy totem]

Possessed Array but I only have common Cardio Gain

[red fox]

It will be enough trust

I forgot how much level 1 cardio common

[craggy totem]

This is a jpom start, so it's level 4, so like 8

[red fox]

Yea that sounds good enough

Wtf jpom start in chaos

[craggy totem]

Right?

All right finally got mah blitz

And lesson learned from last time, I'm not fighting the goddamn miniboss with max pain

Now time to not throw Prometheus

[nimble rivet]

Eris gets mogged so hard

[craggy totem]

I'm playing so slow and scared ngl, lots of throwing the cast and then hiding

But having Strength and a jpom start feels so goddamn good

[red fox]

At least there is no chance for random r4 antler this time

[craggy totem]

Hah!! Yeah, better to have gotten it out of the way early

I don't think I have any more Gale blocks left, hope I don't throw on Typhon

[nova oar]

You got this, easy

[still mantle]

Am I imagining it or are my dashes shorter when I get turned into a rat (as opposed to a sheep or pig) by hecate

[craggy totem]

The different animals have different properties

[nova oar]

They are shorter, but you move faster

[torn wind]

ISTG man I'm running nergal and got everything for exceptional talent and the very last boon gave me JUST prominence flare

Didn't even offer me ET that's BS

[nova oar]

Why do u want prom flare on nergal

[torn wind]

I don't

[nova oar]

Ohhh denial

[torn wind]

Yeah lol

And then final shop doesn't have apollo

Was literally final boon and it didn't give it to me

[nova oar]

Denial used to work like that but now the duo and legendary chance still applies even with no other boons

[torn wind]

Yeah it's sad

Just unlucky

Almost got my first sub-12 24 fear but got unlucky not getting ET

[nova oar]

Unlucky

[honest tulip]

ending of Arachne story is queen stuff

fr

[craggy totem]

Queen of my heart, hands down

Or uh.... forelegs down? Tarsi down?

[honest tulip]

pedipalps down?

[craggy totem]

True! They do use their palps as manipulatory appendages!!!

Oh, the Crossroads website folks updated the Arcana page so that it says the names of the cards in plain text, that's a nice QOL update

[torn wind]

Just realized how much of a dumbass I am. I'm specifically trying to get narcissus and echo for their prophecy and accepted a chaos boon that hid rewards...

[craggy totem]

Lowkey one of my least favorite Chaos curses ngl. No arcana < no previews < taking damage when you do something

[torn wind]

Well it's fine cause I choked on rivals scylla anyways

[craggy totem]

If I take Chaos and they offer me one with Barren, one with Enshrouded, and one where the """""reward"""" is DDs when I'm on Strength, I'm just gonna reset

[craggy totem]

Ah.... the grim reaper

[torn wind]

Rivals scylla is just stimulus overload compared to every other boss

Had a pretty good moros build going too. Shame

Well I'd missed narcissus anyways so that saves me some time

[frail crypt]

Just got Executioner's Chop and Hell Splitter in one run

on than axe with aphro attack

Chronos got SLAMMED

[calm flicker]

I wish Hestia's adjective for her Strike/Flourish were "Searing" instead of "Flame".

Searing Strike & Searing Flourish.

[torn wind]

Smolder ring is at least a fun play on words

[frail crypt]

The fact the aphro/ares duo isnt called bloodlust upsets me

it was right there

[calm flicker]

I do like Carnal Desire.

[frail crypt]

'love handles' did get a giggle out of me

[torn wind]

Both are solid names but I will say I prefer bloodlust

Love Handles is great

[still mantle]

With the rat compared to the sheep?

[nova oar]

Yes

[still mantle]

Hmm

Fangs is all fun and games till I get morphed by a random enemy

[still mantle]

I mean carnal desire is better than "curse of longing"

[torn wind]

I love getting fish with the gust ability that just throw me around the map. or skulls or those little typhon snakes with teleport so they're impossible to catch

[still mantle]

Fangs is 5 free fear until it's not

[torn wind]

It's free until you don't realize an enemy is about to freeze you in time and you eat 5 shots to the face

[still mantle]

Me when the spinny automaton guys have big and pull

[torn wind]

God that's annoying. Especially when you get them in Thessaly with Menace

Got one that had the big perk and he took up half the damn boat

[calm flicker]

I guess it's not too big a deal when Flame Flourish is a good name too.

[craggy totem]

I suppose they didn't want to re-use Lightning Strike from the first game for Zeus, since his cores work differently in H2, but damn if Lightning Strike wasn't the perfect pun for Zeus

[still mantle]

Poseidon heph duo should be called steam engine

Ares duo boon with zeus should be called war thunder XD

[torn wind]

hmmmm, should I put this game down for a bit and finally play Cyberpunk. I only put like 5 hours into it before getting obsessed with H2

[ancient token]

I have beaten Eris nearly 70 times. She doesn't say any long dialogue, just the short stuff, whenever I talk to her at the crossroads or before her battle, but it still says I need to win against her more to give her ambrosia. What am I missing???

I have beaten her in rival form like 20 times

[craggy totem]

Have the most recent 20 times all been Rivals? /jw

[ancient token]

No, I switch on and off

[jolly hound]

I’m nine hours into silksong and have a half finished x33

meanwhile coming up on 300 hours of hades 2

[honest tulip]

What are your Top "I'm spaming Zag Rarify on this" Boons?

I think my list has gotta be:
Nitro Boost
Hasty Retreat
Steady Growth
Sea Star

[craggy totem]

Heph stuff

[honest tulip]

oh yeah that's also good

[torn wind]

Yeah heph timers are a big damage buff

[jolly hound]

I’ll only take zag if I can get a red heph attack/special out of it

[honest tulip]

I mean that's fair

But 1 free dodge.... Vs 4???

.5 dodge per boon vs 1.25

[jolly hound]

Chrolex in second zone is far more consistently useful for getting strong fast

[honest tulip]

To be fair when I'm going up I barely remember to use it

[nova oar]

fr

[honest tulip]

I only eve rremember to use it in Asphodel for the random extra stuff

[craggy totem]

Fields you mean?

[honest tulip]

oh close enough

[jolly hound]

fair point, artificer covers the crap you get in Thessaly; I’ll usually burn a Pom or a mana pot with Chrolex tho

[honest tulip]

I over primed myself last time lol

[jolly hound]

Vow of hubris, either a run ruined or totally negligible and no in between 🙃

[honest tulip]

I over primed Charon and had Hera regain

I could only use my attack 9 times

[craggy totem]

Your special?

[honest tulip]

didn't end up mattering cause I slid just barely too close into an instakill zone

[honest tulip]

Omega Special yeah

But like It's charon that's my important attack

[craggy totem]

But Attack is a specific thing :P

It's funny how there's some keywords that are just Confusing (hello I will never be over Gale and also gales existing)

[crude dragon]

Success Rate

[honest tulip]

Intelligence curve:

    /---\
   |         |
 /           \
|               |

_/ \ __

They're all attacks

Nooo Attacks, Omega Attacks, Specials, & Omega Specials are all different!!!!

They're all attacks

[craggy totem]

Comrade, did you make that by hand

[honest tulip]

yes

I can't post images so....

[craggy totem]

Can still post link to image ftr! It won't embed in this channel but...

[red fox]

Dedication

Can't post image lets us make ascii art instead

[sudden eagle]

Oh it must be that scenario, the streamer hit Cronos mid bar with like one combo, that was absurd.

[honest tulip]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Q7B_l3hu19g

Omg this line of dialog is insane 😭 I can't belive this exists

You have to confront him while you're big???

I bet this means he has one for small too 😭

[torn wind]

Short kings rise up

[honest tulip]

Zag sees tall Melenoe

Also Zag: how can I get some of that?

[torn wind]

phrasing

[honest tulip]

Absolutely loved the conversation where ||Homer said something at Zag was like: So that's where you've been old man!!!||

And Melenoe is just like:|| his name is Homer...||

[honest tulip]

Where can has tall juice

Zag want tall

Is that better?

[queen cosmos]

We need a hades and dead cells collab

[gusty maple]

||Homer is such a Zagreus hater and Mel fanboy when you look back on it||

[night kettle]

ok i discoverd a new bug

or maybe it's not new

when u defeat a guardian using the pig artifact

and u get the arcana card that u can roll items with

u cant use it at all

[night kettle]

nvm it does work

[nova oar]

Were you at fates whim?

[night kettle]

no i guess it's only for rerolling boons, not the doors

[night kettle]

it's the champion arcana card

[nova oar]

I'm assuming no, so then yes champion is only for rerolling boons

Not that you should ever take figurine or play judgement

[harsh gust]

my favorite hobby is treating the critically acclaimed roguelike like a dating sim

[night kettle]

so those two are useless?

[nova oar]

Not useless, you can win runs, just worse than all other options

[pallid cradle]

You're telling me it's not?

Next you're gonna tell me Ball X Pit isn't a farm simulator and Dead Cells isn't a collect-a-thon.

Take your propaganda elsewhere.

[nova oar]

I just finished ball x pit actually

[harsh gust]

lmaooo no ur so right

[pallid cradle]

My buddy gifted it to me and was like "you're gonna love this"

... I had a couple days off work for the snow. I now have 11 hours in it.

[harsh gust]

love that

[lament owl]

Yeah I played for maybe 20 minutes earlier after a buddy gifted it to me when my hades 1 save corrupted

This game is so peak I can already tell it’s about to be so fun

[fresh wind]

Just lost to VoR hecate after dodging morph ball for the first time 🙁

Also had Heroic hitch sprint + the Artemis boon that does crit for 80%+ armor/health

I was dealing 1300 sprinting into enemies lmao

[tribal glen]

Hi everyone, I'm curious to better understand the way randomness in this game works.
For example, is there any file in the game folder where I could find the probability that a god appears in the next zone? Or the probability that a mana reward occurs?
Also, how do bonus really work (in terms of mathematial formulae)? For example, if, let's say, the player has a probability of doing a critical shot equal to 60% (not sure it's possible but let's pretend), and he/she receives a boon doubling that probability, what does it mean (a probability cannot be greater than 1)?

[fresh wind]

I dont know if anything would have that high a crit chance but in the case of the chance something happens yea itd just cap at 1

Then you have boons that increase, say, attack by 200% but that just means tripling it afaik

[torn glade]

yes.. increase by 200% is tripling,

[night kettle]

got a question, what to use with the black coat

[jolly hound]

Poseidon attack

[night kettle]

anything else?

[night kettle]

cuz i think i mostly struggle with bosses

[jolly hound]

In general you want an on hit effect attack (splash, scorch is decent, blitz is never bad)

Scorch may actually be better if no jpom

[night kettle]

sry for acting like a noob, but what's jpom?

[radiant ore]

"moonlight guide us'
"to where?"
bro im dyig

[jolly hound]

It’s a late game keepsake, if you don’t have it yet your better suited with a hestia start

[hallow vault]

Hades 2 sold according to Sites around 3.2 Million Units on Steam

I guess on Switch it sold so 1-3 Million cause it was one of ghe Biggest launches on Switch and Switch 2 this Year

So in short the Game is a massive sucess im Happy for them im so happy for them lmao

[old veldt]

Wait for ||hidden aspects|| I need one rank 5 and all rank 1 right

[craggy totem]

But specifically the rank 5 has to be a non-Melinoe aspect

I.e. upgraded using Nightmare

[craggy totem]

(Unrelated to the above, I just looked it up and there are like four different mythological ideas about whose children the Fates were, so Supergiant really deliberately chose fecundity when they picked Nyx.)

((*Yes, okay, the more expected explanation is "conservation of cast size" -- Nyx is already a character that appeared in the first game, so rather than cramming in new minor one-off characters to be the parentage, it works better to designate an extant character who's already known for having many children. But shhh, let me be amused.))

(((**Also, the fact that two of these competing genealogies come from the same work is even more hilarious, if anything. Continuity what? We don't need no continuity. Truly, let this be inspiration for all and sundry to simply get your words down and realize that first or nth draft. No polished perfection in the Classics neither, nope, none.)))

[abstract aspen]

who are does ?
https://imgur.com/a/T9aztXc

[jolly hound]

||chronos Heracles prometheus||

[abstract aspen]

first : your pp wtf
second : prometheus ? heracles ?

[craggy totem]

Things that the game told you itself:

• the Emissary of the Fates
• the creator of the world
• the one who kicked the Fates out (this is part of the main plot)
• the one who trained you
• the one who rebels against the gods (Mel yells at him about this all the time)

The one thing that might require a little myth knowledge is "he who labors". This is a reference to ||The Twelve Labors of Heracles||

[abstract aspen]

how do I give alcool to prometheus ?

[craggy totem]

You don't have to give alcohol to them to become better acquainted with them, you just have to keep talking

[abstract aspen]

how many times ?

[jolly hound]

I enjoy when randos on the internet comment on my pp

[craggy totem]

Some of the necessary getting-to-know-you-better dialogue can be preempted by other/more "urgent" run-related stuff, so there's no set number

Just gotta keep doin it and pray :P

[jolly hound]

Is rivals 3 required to make that happen? Not sure but think so

[abstract aspen]

oh and I met chronos but didn't have alcool and now he doesn't show up so how am I gonna met him ?

[craggy totem]

Hm.... you need Rivals 3 to ||max your Heracles relationship|| but I don't remember needing it for this prophecy

[craggy totem]

Post-ending spoilers, which still need to be tagged in this channel: ||He'll show up again, don't worry||

[abstract aspen]

I can't even do rivals 1

[abstract aspen]

but I did 10 runs after and he didn't show up

[craggy totem]

Have you been looking around during ||the keepsake-changing zone between Erebus and Oceanus||?

[abstract aspen]

yes this area

[jolly hound]

not yet, but you will get there

[abstract aspen]

https://imgur.com/a/TEDhjdY
@craggy totem finally chronos here but why can't I gie him alcool ?

he gone

WHY

[jolly hound]

I think it takes a few conversations before that option opens up. “Sorry I kidnapped your family” first, getting wasted later

[flat compass]

Congratulations @zealous cape Supergiant Games for your two nominations in the categories of best foreign independent video game and best foreign video game in the French Pégases 2026 ceremony.👏🤩
https://x.com/i/status/2017149487399989614

[abstract aspen]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[jolly hound]

I’d need some time before offering the guy who robbed me a beer too

[abstract aspen]

who is that ?

oh

now I understand

[abstract aspen]

okay so I did rivals 2 in underworld why don't I have rivals 3 now ?

[night kettle]

ah i see, hestia?

[abstract aspen]

fire

[craggy totem]

Generally speaking, you need to do Rivals on both routes before you unlock the next rank

Doing it UW alone is not enough

[abstract aspen]

but it was fun because that was the only fear I did

[craggy totem]

I mean, you can also do it as the only Fear on your Surface run

Not like going to the Surface requires you to add more Fear

[abstract aspen]

and I tought to myself maybe I'll do all my runs with only rivals to adapt

[abstract aspen]

what are your taughts about reckless abandon

[craggy totem]

It's bad except in a few extremely niche circumstances

[abstract aspen]

oh

actually good thing I waited your response

[night kettle]

what's the point of gorgon amulet?

[abstract aspen]

spawning atena

take it in erebus to arachne

[night kettle]

like she does damage?

cuz i got 3 death defiance

[abstract aspen]

she'll apear only if you don't have any death defiance

[night kettle]

so no point running it i guess

[abstract aspen]

do one run with strenght and no death defiance

I was as you back in the day

but strenght is really good

[night kettle]

strength?

[abstract aspen]

an arcana

gives you -40% damage receive when purple

[night kettle]

hm

[night kettle]

oh u need to upgrade

[night kettle]

but why people saying that the amulet's very good?

i didnt find the boons very useful

except for 2s impervious thingy

[abstract aspen]

https://imgur.com/a/RmMz2OS
ok so I don't know how but I did heracles and prometheus chronos next if he wants to

[abstract aspen]

because of the boon it gives you but I don't know it myself so I rather not speak

[queen cosmos]

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY CHEESE

Wanna join the cult?

[night kettle]

wym cheese?

[queen cosmos]

Mozzarella

Cheddar, gouda

[night kettle]

.

[craggy totem]

People summon Athena generally for one of two major types of reason:

1. they ran out of DDs, so they are gambling that she'll offer the boon that refills all your DDs
2. they are speedrunning and want to summon her in Fields to save time

[queen cosmos]

..

[abstract aspen]

name one cheese from France or Suisse and I'm in

name which type of cheese also

[craggy totem]

However, because Gorgon Amulet is an Olympian-summoning keepsake, bear in mind that this will deactivate Fates' Whim

[queen cosmos]

What

[night kettle]

i think i havent unlocked that yet

[abstract aspen]

in fields she clear all floors ?

[queen cosmos]

Camembert you ask?

[night kettle]

i usually run out of DDs during boss fights, so is it useful for now?

[abstract aspen]

I knew it, for your information there is different type of cheese depending on how it ages and with what
and camembert is a well known, another one

[jolly hound]

She will wipe out one encounter, and also stop the clock so you can run around and find the map tree and collect all the random small rewards without the timer counting down (only really relevant to speedrunning or high fear, but useful)

She will not destroy the entire location though

[night kettle]

ah so it's not useful for now

[night kettle]

what about hammer?

[jolly hound]

Often my zone 3 choice; on some aspects namely skull and axe it can totally screw you over (possessed array if you aren’t set up for it, the thing that makes the axe attack jut the final attack for example) but safe bet on most weapons

[abstract aspen]

I use hammer a lot myself and I consider it a goodboon, it last 2 guardian even if you take another keepsake
the leaf is also like that
if you use death defiance the boon "engraved pin" is also a good one
and the fang

[jolly hound]

take it if you’re out of defiances and hope you get the refill; if your in fields you have two chances for a full refill from echo and Athena, and that will save your run

[night kettle]

i usually run out during final bosses

since i'm not running high fear

[abstract aspen]

your timming to switch for death defiance to strenght

[jolly hound]

if you’re down to one defiance even, it’s useful then

[night kettle]

leaf?

[jolly hound]

but yeah, switch to strength

if you’re not running out of defiances til the end

[abstract aspen]

you don't have it, if you don't mind spoil, it comes from ||dionysos||

[night kettle]

well i rather find out myself XD

[jolly hound]

once you get two wins in a row with full defiances and no refills used then it’s time to go strength

[abstract aspen]

you good

[abstract aspen]

for you what is the best axe ? I have to decide for a run

[night kettle]

well not really, surface bosses are abit harder. i find the depths bosses abit easier, but i still lose some to chronos

[night kettle]

people said charon

[jolly hound]

Thanatos once you have it upgraded a bunch and attack speed is way up. Charon is also really good, but will require practice to get good at that’s specific to the aspect

Than is easier at first but Charon has the highest ceiling I think

[abstract aspen]

so charon it is thanks

[jolly hound]

you’re correct for now, but rivals Hecate is way worse than rivals cyclops lol

[abstract aspen]

what about nergal ?

[jolly hound]

not my cup of tea

[abstract aspen]

I don't understand what it do

[jolly hound]

It’s borderline unplayable til high level

Bonk but slow

You want the psychic whirlwind hammer very badly for it to really click

[night kettle]

like i said i'm running menace and horde, havent tried rivals so yeah....

[jolly hound]

Hordes

[abstract aspen]

try timer and frenzy

[jolly hound]

we’re building for the future here

[abstract aspen]

I did a 20fear run but never will I take horde

in hades 1 I take it no sweat but in this game ? nope

[night kettle]

yaeh hordes, what's with it?

[night kettle]

man i'm doing easy stuff for now, i havent done the story yet

only beaten chronos twice

[gusty maple]

one of the worst vows for sure

[night kettle]

really? the first one doesnt feel like much

[gusty maple]

I mean inherently it's not that bad but you don't "learn" anything from it and it's more annoying than other vows. Especially without frenzy

Trying rivals, time, frenzy first is usually better to aim at higher fear (but it's entirely your choice)

[jolly hound]

Everyone calls me crazy for running hordes 3 on 32 fear, so it makes me happy to see others doing that

[jolly hound]

tbh I went hordes 3 cause I was scared of rivals 4

[gusty maple]

Played 50 fear without hordes 😭

[old veldt]

Do you normally use fates whim when speedrunning

[still mantle]

Why

[final saddle]

I think I’ve gotten a handle of frenzy 2 lol

However, rivals Sirens were the hardest part of my most recent run, there’s just so much fast crap flying across the screen it’s hard to keep track of where I can stand lol

[gusty maple]

Because I'm already slow

[open nimbus]

I do but if you wanna be consistent, you can try a god keepsake. Jpom is just so so so good to not always start with

The three things I keep in mind for speedrunning are 1. Speed (execution) 2. Damage 3. Luck

Jpom makes it so you can count on having good damage at the start of the run even with all common boons.

[solemn zodiac]

wait will h2 ever get any more updates? is it done?

[trim flume]

Time to start my 60 fear attempts

[cunning laurel]

whats the 2 you arent using

[wise wave]

Amir Rao said on TGA that he had done the game.

[still mantle]

Its done

[broken creek]

Hopefully scars3

[still mantle]

But maybe there will be more updates

[timid vigil]

Same

[still mantle]

What does 62 fear usually forgo anyways?

[cunning laurel]

all void

[broken creek]

Void

[timid vigil]

I avoid hordes pain and grit as much as possible

[still mantle]

Ah

[broken creek]

Then void3 is 65 so you can judgment

[still mantle]

2 of those 3 go on before 20f for me😭

[timid vigil]

Nah

[cunning laurel]

wtf

[timid vigil]

So many easy vows, denial, menace, debt, scars 1/2

[still mantle]

Hordes 2 grit 1

[broken creek]

No wonder youre struggling 🥀

[still mantle]

When did i say I was struggling?

[broken creek]

Hoards and grit shouldn't be going on until 45+

What's ur fear pb

[still mantle]

Im relatively new and still going for testaments

So 20

Idc about pb yet

[jolly hound]

[night kettle]

i mean, i'm a casual player. as soon as i'm done with story and some other stuff, i'll delete

[night kettle]

horde 1 aint that bad tbh

[broken creek]

It shouldn't go on before other ez things though

Like when denial or debt are right there

[jolly hound]

Denial pisses me off

Make the bad guys harder before screwing with my economy

[broken creek]

But if they're harder youll need better builds

So like why not nerf melinoe a tiny bit and use jpom so everything dies still and functionally nothing changes besides you dont get every boon in existence

[night kettle]

debt?

[cunning laurel]

40%/80% more expensive

[broken creek]

Its free asf with chrolex and even without theres so much money it's never really an issue

[night kettle]

man i'm on 2 fear rn, trust me game's aint that mercyful at 2 fear

so money's an issue

[timid vigil]

I mean 2f just click timer 1

[broken creek]

Yeah timer is free

[timid vigil]

Legit same thing of 0f

[broken creek]

Or hubris

[broken glen]

Just popping in here to say you are definitely crazy

[still mantle]

Debt😭

[broken creek]

Bro doesnt know how to make 1500 gold last a run

[timid vigil]

The humble Chrolex:

[still mantle]

Theres this little thing called:

NON fates whim runs

[delicate rivet]

Hey guys, I need help getting Circe's last boon (Hymn to the eye of the night). I already have 110 hours and can't get it. Any tips on how to grind for it?
I know a need an offensive Hex, but what else can I do?

[broken creek]

Boatman is 300 and erebus shop is one of the only ones that matter

Plus quick buck, travel deal, buried treasure

[timid vigil]

That's fair but at least debt1 before any hordes/grit/pain

[broken creek]

Taking money over a mana pot or selene is normal

No chrolex just means you gotta accept oceanus midshop is buns but that's literally it

[still mantle]

I dont understand why hordes is apparently such a big deal

[cunning laurel]

more enemies = harder

[night kettle]

yeah sadly i have no idea, even reading the things u said, i still have no idea

[broken creek]

More health bars = longer time spent and messier rooms

[timid vigil]

more enemies = more chance to get hit = timer becomes harder

[night kettle]

what's that?

[broken creek]

Post credits keepsake

Makes money a non issue in runs

[timid vigil]

Don't mind much if you're still doing the main story

[still mantle]

Is there even a weapon that doesn't have a good crowd control option?

[still mantle]

Fan term for a post credits keepsake

[night kettle]

yeah still doing the story, like i said i only beaten chronos twice

[broken creek]

I mean some axes without the right hammers, daggers too they're so short

[night kettle]

i see

[broken creek]

But regardless more enemies is just annoying compared to like return

[still mantle]

Glad the post credits keepsakes are actually good in this game

[broken creek]

And hoards amps everything else, more enemies means more return balls, more fangs enemies, if you run grit more big health bars, crowded rooms that werent meant for 50 enemies

More enemies also means it takes more mana to clear rooms for mana weapons

[still mantle]

Some ppl get so used to frenzy 2 that it feels slow when they turn it off. I've gotten so used to hordes 2-3 that when I turn it off every encounter is gonna feel barren 😭

[broken creek]

Compared to like oh boo hoo a boon is 270

[cunning laurel]

but it wont make it harder for you to turn it off like frenzy is

if the room is more empty thats good

[timid vigil]

Frenzy doesn't make other vows harder like hordes does

[broken creek]

Things will feel so slow with frenzy2 dropped people will mess up, less enemies doesnt change your muscle memory

Like there's a reason high fear runners sometimes say up to 45f is a knowledge diff because you dont actially have to be crazy until past thay since no grit and hoards means nothing sucks really

[timid vigil]

I guess it can be good if you get used to hordes/pain/grit early if you wanna do 50+ I guess

[jolly hound]

[broken creek]

Id argue getting used to more enemies wont help since like what are you gonna do when melinoe can't get the perfect build that you manage every run because you dont have debt, denial, and forfeit on

[jolly hound]

yes, this

[timid vigil]

Makes sense

In my experience everything up to 50 was smooth then suddenly 52 I'm already sweating and it just kept getting worse and worse

[broken creek]

Yeah everything past 50 amps up quick

Then 60-62 and 65-67 are evil

[undone coral]

Been trying yo reach ||Olympus, mainly using the torches, and I'm feeling like the Aspect of Moros is just an upgrade to the regular torches? I have both maxed (I love playing torches) and the crits dont seem to help out as much||

Might just be me, but DPS wise, ||Moros|| helps out so much more than just 10% chance to crit

||(Specially on Olympus runs where you have no chance eof encountering Arthemis)||

[timid vigil]

You can find Artemis in ephyra

But yeah moros is considered a better version on mel torches kinda

Mel torches you don't necessarily need ospecial but you'll usually do it anyway to apply a second curse

[undone coral]

Oh fr? Ive only found Dio (specially), Ares and Athena

[timid vigil]

that being said I think mel torches are fine and can go crazy with the right build

[undone coral]

I play without the second curse card, so with regular torches the special is kinda useless

But just had a run with Ares special + Demeter attack, pretty ok

[timid vigil]

trust me, turn the second curse card on always

it's the best arcana card, 50% dmg increase is huge for every aspect

no reason not to

[undone coral]

Ive got them all unlock. Been realising that maybe Im getting too many rerolls

[timid vigil]

It's normal to get all 10 rerolls

[undone coral]

Usually use them at the beggining so I secure a Hestia boon with the mana regen

[timid vigil]

I'm assuming you haven't finished the main story yet? So usually it's good to run all 10 rerolls

After finishing main story you get some keepsakes that reward you for playing with 0 rerolls but otherwise they are very good to have

[undone coral]

No, but ive beaten Chronos sevevral times, and have entered the ||Typhon|| fight (havent won yet)

My strat is to force Hestia to recover my mana, get Poseidon and/or ||Hera|| to make my omega moves stronger, and go from there (also try to upgrade my hex a lot)

Gotten close, barely havent won yet

Just need to get that third revive and I'll be golden

[tropic ravine]

Are you using death defiance?

[undone coral]

[timid vigil]

The Hera Regen boon is the best for torches

[tropic ravine]

I will forever glaze strength

[undone coral]

Yup, 2 of them (+ the cat and the tooth at the end)

[timid vigil]

And again. You really really really need to turn on the 2 curses arcana card it will make your life so much easier

[undone coral]

Just im case (and because I hate fishing)

[undone coral]

Might give it a shot

[tropic ravine]

You’ve beaten the game a few times so I reccomend turning of death defiance and turning on strength

Trust me it looks scary but it’s worth it, the defense is amazing

[undone coral]

Best case scenario is me getting Aphrodite for my attack and a random person for special

[tropic ravine]

What’s your weapon

[undone coral]

Does the cat and tooth count as death defience?

[timid vigil]

yes, pin as well

[tropic ravine]

Yes

[undone coral]

God damm it

[tropic ravine]

Trust me

[undone coral]

I gotta fish

[tropic ravine]

You’ll thank me once you get used to it

I also reccomend you don’t use the cat

[undone coral]

Cant think of a good keepsake for the final fight that isnt the tooth

[tropic ravine]

Odysseus

[undone coral]

Oh right

[broken creek]

Antler :3

[tropic ravine]

Gives more damage and I think defense

[broken creek]

Or fang

[timid vigil]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjAiLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjQiXQ== i recommend something like this for the arcana, death/strength are interchangeable, just know strength can be really good

[undone coral]

Also maybe whatever Nemesiss gives you. The thingy that deals more damage to the thing that killed you last

[broken creek]

It sucks dont use it

Fang is just better

[timid vigil]

if youre too scared for antler just do lion fang

[undone coral]

No son?

[broken creek]

King Henry the 8th type response

[undone coral]

Still need to figure out where to get darkness (Im on 29)

[broken creek]

At least I think it was that guy

[undone coral]

Wayward

[timid vigil]

i guess you can switch swift runner for wayward son, or like lovers for wayward son + huntress

[timid vigil]

its on chaos

[undone coral]

I cam probably remove lovers

I mean what is 1 hit gonna do, small regen feels better

[timid vigil]

yeah if your lovers is still level 1

but ugprade it cause 3 free hits from every boss is HUGE

[undone coral]

Do I gift chaos? Or is it a specific event idk about?

[undone coral]

Almoat everything is 1, so no issue

[timid vigil]

it just spawns there like a resource to get, if you use gale i think you have more chance

just gotta get lucky

[undone coral]

Guess Ill upgrade strength and give it a chance

[tropic ravine]

What’s your weapon btw

[undone coral]

Moros Torches

My breadwinner

[timid vigil]

moros is my favorite weapon

just go hera keepsake start

cant go wrong

[undone coral]

Eos torches feel weird, havent used them ourside of camp

[timid vigil]

eos is super good too, i love all torches

[tropic ravine]

Try the dog for extra magic or the bird if you want some crits

[undone coral]

After that ideally I get aphrodite, poseidon and/orc||Hera||

[undone coral]

Just saw him today, have to give him food still

[timid vigil]

hera zeus poseidon and something else is the best pool you can get for moros*

hera is the most important you want 3 boons from her

special, gain and fine line

[broken creek]

And hereditary bane

[undone coral]

Whats fine line again?

[timid vigil]

honestly just hera and another curse god and youre good

[broken creek]

Channeling an omega makes a giant damaging line for 15 more mana

Turns moros into a rail gun

[still mantle]

Yes

It is a strict upgrade

[undone coral]

Thats the ||Hera|| one

So all good

Maybe I also throw in Poseidon with h is wave thingy. I think both can stack

[broken glen]

Yep! They’ve even got a duo that buffs both of them up

[undone coral]

Ill try to shoot for like

Hestia at the beggining so I get an epic regen

Hex for the 2nd area

Third ||Hera|| if somehow I havent gotten the lines (that or money from Charon) and finally the Oddyseus pouch

Sounds like a plan (and make sure to get the 2 Hammers for basic attack along the way)

[broken glen]

I wouldn’t recommend Hestia gain on torches, but it’s not awful

[undone coral]

(I assume its like Hades 1 where theres 2 per run)

[undone coral]

Isnt Hestia the best gain? I know Poseidon and Demeter have some, but not as well

Demeter needs you to stay still anad Poseidon's has cooldown. Hestia's is always doing something (and even more, since I'll be actually using my special with Moros)

[broken glen]

For the torches, you’ll be hitting mostly with your omegas, which won’t trigger the Hestia gain. Hera or Apollo will be your best bets for gain (Poseidon works too)

[tough viper]

I'm curious, do yall think hades 1 or 2 is harder? Hades 2 earlygame felt a lot harder personally but I've hit the point where I'm just doing rivals 4 as a main part of my runs, and I never hit that point in the first game

[calm flicker]

There are any Steam Deck users that managed to configure the left thumbstick as a directional aim? It was one thing to rely on auto-aim to be able to backpedal whilst attacking, but there's too much mouse cattle poo to rely on that too in Hades 2.

[night kettle]

man i tried it now, i really hate this weapon. i find coat better, like any melee weapon is better than that tbh

it's rank 4

[cunning laurel]

how are you playing it to not succeed with moros

is sorceress on?

[night kettle]

what's that?

i couldnt even beat cyclops whatsoever

[crude dragon]

That's the first card you unlock, it increases channel speed

[tribal wharf]

I think torches will feel better as you get more accustomed to your own and enemy movement

[night kettle]

also yeah it's on

wait moros?

[tribal wharf]

Early on I was most comfortable with the short-range weapons like blades and fist because where I stood was where I was hitting

[night kettle]

oh that, no i like that one

it's the skull i hate the most, the red one

[tribal wharf]

Medea

[night kettle]

yeah

[cunning laurel]

how are you playing medea to struggle?

[night kettle]

m1 m2

[tribal wharf]

Could feel too chaotic

Yeah there’s a rhythm to it that you might have to get used to

[tough viper]

sister blades are also really comfortable to use, its really easy to get into a rhythm of one combo then move at a beginner level, plus you can easily weave specials into your combos

[tribal wharf]

Eh the thing is as time went on I realized they were kinda stiff in that regard
If the 3-4 of the 4-part combo didn’t lock me in animation as much I think they’d be big better

[gaunt glacier]

different skillset and game mechanics, not really comparable

[undone coral]

Personally I really like just shotting a ton of projectiles. It lets me dodge and hold down the button but defense and offense

Plus its easy to build generally, at least imo

[undone coral]

2, specially the bosses. Hydra gave me way less trouble than Scilla

[tribal wharf]

Medea is the skull that doesn’t shoot

[tough viper]

i might begin to feel this way once I start playing with frenzy tbh

[undone coral]

Oh I thought you were talking about Moros torches

[tough viper]

interesting, I felt like a lot of the skills and knowledge built from 1 transferred over

[tribal wharf]

Oh yeah okay conversation got confusing, the other person said Moros but meant Medea

[tough viper]

unrelated, can you find new familiars while you already have one with you?

[tribal wharf]

Yes

[tough viper]

i just need to pay more attention then, got it

[gaunt glacier]

no they definitely are, but hades 2 having only 1 dash encourages a different playstyle compared to hades 1 with 2

[tough viper]

that did mess* me up a lot at first yeah

[gaunt glacier]

i find hades 1 signficantly harder than hades 2 because my wrists hurt after playing because i would be spamming dash so often

does that mean hades 1 is a harder game? not really, theres just physical limitations

[night kettle]

tbh, i enjoyed everything except for one,black coat, charon axe, torches, even staff. tho dagger feels abit annoying to get a hold on. the only thing i hate with a burning passion is skull, and i might even skip the testaments for skull

[cunning laurel]

what do you dislike about it

[still mantle]

Thats... the optimal way of using it....

[tough viper]

So I've been running hordes 3 considering it an upside because more gold and more procs for things that care about hits and kills

but searching hordes in the server makes me think it might be otherwise; am I missing something?

[still mantle]

No

Ppl just hate hordes

For some reason

[tough viper]

i see

[cunning laurel]

no it is one of the harder vows for sure

[gaunt glacier]

hordes is the only true multiplicative vow in the game

[tough viper]

multiplies both good and bad, i can see that

[gaunt glacier]

hordes alone isn't that bad, its how it interacts with all the other vows that makes it incredibly difficult

[night kettle]

i feel like it's not rewarding enough, the risk is greater than other weapons and dont feel very smooth, to me atleast

[cunning laurel]

getting more gold from hordes is pretty nominal

[still mantle]

Hordes nation, unite

[night kettle]

yeah but i want something to be viable even at the begining, and it's not.

[still mantle]

HOW

[gaunt glacier]

theres also the conflict between hordes and timer, as more enemies = move wave spawns = more time spent per room

[still mantle]

IT NUKES EVERYTHING

[still mantle]

Whose attack boon are you using

[timid vigil]

literally doesnt matter for medea at low fear

[night kettle]

this is what people told me: hera for attack,zeus for special

[timid vigil]

that is the optimal

[still mantle]

Just trying to figure out how this person is justifying medea being unviable😭

[timid vigil]

well, ares attack zeus special opens heinous if you get apollo its technically better i think

[night kettle]

didnt feel like that while fighting cyclops

[still mantle]

So what, Are you loading one every 3 seconds😭

[gaunt glacier]

i feel like yall have to realize medea as an aspect is very counterintuitive unless you watch someone else play the aspect

[timid vigil]

yeah this person has hated medea before

its just preference probably

medea is not my favorite aspect as well

but it is undeniably strong

[night kettle]

didnt get any ares boons, annd apollo on what?

[night kettle]

nop, i even had haste on attacks

[cunning laurel]

sprint usually

[craggy totem]

I don't think Apollo sprint opens up Heinous Affront

[timid vigil]

if you get ares attack zeus special, light smite from apollo and you get the duo boon heinous affront its insane damage but since you need three boons and a duo its not what you should be focusing on

[craggy totem]

The relevant boon would be Light Smite, no?

[timid vigil]

so yeah in general hera attack zeus special is the optimal

[cunning laurel]

oh sure but thats super optimal stuff, they dont even know how to play the weapon

[night kettle]

this is heavily rng based, and it's not possible everytime

[timid vigil]

yeah i agree i was just mentioning it

[night kettle]

cuz u get 6 choices before fighting cyclops

every weapon i tried, i had no problem beating cyclops. but this aspect....

it's disgusting

[crisp comet]

For Charon axe would high % or blitz he better

I feel like %

[cunning laurel]

on what

[crisp comet]

Charon axe

[crude dragon]

On the Special? You want Hitch or Apollo

[crisp comet]

Special

Ok

Ty

[night kettle]

apollo works better for bosses right?

[crude dragon]

Apollo is there to go for his Legendary

[night kettle]

what leg?

[cunning laurel]

ok apollo is there for a lot

[craggy totem]

Have you unlocked the thing where you can check the ingame codex to see all of a god's boons?

[crude dragon]

His

[jolly hound]

Apollo makes Charon better - special, prominence flare and lucid gain the main ones

[crude dragon]

You mean Special, Lucid Gain, and Super Nova

[night kettle]

i think not

[crisp comet]

I never seen to get legendaries

[craggy totem]

Once you unlock the thing I mentioned, it's super helpful because you can look up that god's boons and check the prerequisite boons for getting the legendary

[crude dragon]

Well, they all have prerequisites to fill

[night kettle]

how u unlock it tho

[craggy totem]

IIRC you've got to gift all of the Olympian gods or something like that

[night kettle]

i see

[crude dragon]

All of them up to Hera

[still mantle]

It baffles me how you manage to lose to polyphemus with medea

And you won easily with THE COAT??????

[night kettle]

yeah i love coat, done a run with it 20 minutes ago

[tough viper]

How exactly does rerolling rooms work exactly? I've seen that you can only reroll minor -> minor and major -> major, and rerolling a boon w/ a miniboss seems to only roll into other boons. Is there anything else to it?

[nova oar]

You can only roll miniboss rooms into other boons, minor can only roll into minor, and major can only roll into major, cant reroll shops or npcs or the like

[tough viper]

so if I'm trying to find a certain god I should wait until I find a miniboss then?

[nova oar]

You'll have the best luck there yes

It will also only cycle through about 4 gods before repeating, you can never see all of them at one door

[nova oar]

Medea is quite tricky to play optimally and avoid damage, coat is a good weapon, and they vibe with it more

[still mantle]

Yes, but they themselves said that they're doing the optimal combo

[nova oar]

Still

Big learning curve

[night kettle]

that's what i'm saving, it requires skill, more than any weapon i've been using so far.

[craggy totem]

Being able to run around like a nutter and also snipe dudes from safety for free if you want is great /shrug

[nova oar]

Once you get good enough at it, gets really just unfair strong

But I don't think i've seen one person go into medea blind and have a good time with it

[night kettle]

i think i wont touch it

unless i have to

[nova oar]

The name change gives it away

[night kettle]

which i dont have to i guess

[night kettle]

ikr

[nova oar]

There is one prophecy where you need to win a run with it

And also maybe a chaos trial

[night kettle]

i'll skip

i just need story and all the lore and stuff

[nova oar]

Not if you want all achievements

[night kettle]

i dont

[nova oar]

😭

[torn wind]

I have to do great chaos still

[night kettle]

never cared for any achievements in any game lol

[torn wind]

I’ve only got 5 achievements left not counting “all achievements”

The embryo is easy, Arachne is tedious, and I was a dumbass and took a “hide rewards” chaos boon when I needed narcissus, missed him and then instantly choked on Rivals Scylla

[night kettle]

good, tho i'm a casual player

[torn wind]

And then just the “complete any two chaos trials so that will finish when I do great chaos

I’m just lamenting my incoming suffering

[nova oar]

The acheivments are all quite dooable compared to other games, or even the first one

[torn wind]

I’d put myself on the casual side of things but the game is already fun enough that it encourages me to achievement hunt

[delicate rivet]

Hey guys, I need help getting Circe's last boon (Hymn to the eye of the night). I already have 110 hours and can't get it. Any tips on how to grind for it?
I know a need an offensive Hex, but what else can I do?

[night kettle]

yeah but the thing is, i dont care about them

[crude dragon]

Nothing :)

[torn wind]

Just unlucky, took me about 100 hours in to get the last Dionysus I needed

Personal loan just wouldn’t appear for me and that doesn’t even need a prerequisite

I’m also still missing a narcissus

[delicate rivet]

Shame on me for ignoring Selene for most of my playtime

[timid vigil]

You did the right thing 🤝

[torn wind]

Selene is pretty mediocre once you start understanding good builds, yeah. A pocket morph or wolf howl for invincibility is fun, but otherwise she’s not very useful

[timid vigil]

I'm selene's strongest hater

[torn wind]

Can be decent if you really build into her but that means you’re weaker in every other regard

Solar ray build with the Artemis hex crit boon is funny though

[nova oar]

Based

[craggy totem]

I'll fite all yall

[night kettle]

ray is actually good

[torn wind]

Again, if you build into it

[night kettle]

yes

[craggy totem]

Both of the hexes Kol mentioned are better than Ray at base

[torn wind]

But the damage falls off late game when every other option you have does more damage and doesn’t make you stand still

Sure the triple beam is strong but that’s like 2-3 paths to get if you’re lucky

[craggy totem]

Standing still is the worst #TranquilGainHater

[night kettle]

i dont find any of the boons good at base(except for wolf). but hey if u build they arent that bad

[torn wind]

Wolf howl is a get-out-of-jail-free card

Dark side is an active debuff

[night kettle]

yup that's the one i like aswell

[torn wind]

I’m more often going to chrolex paths if I find them

[night kettle]

didnt like that neither, low damage and doesnt feel nice

[torn wind]

Phase shift is decent but does require a lot of magick use to get to so doesn’t work with every weapon

[night kettle]

chrolex? i dont have that one

[torn wind]

Gotta get credits roll

Time Piece is the actual name

Chronos + Rolex since it’s a watch

Fates’ whim is pretty broken because of Jeweled Pom

Makes nearly any build viable cause of the free Pom levels and free hades boon

And Chrolex also works on Fates’ whim

[craggy totem]

I also am bad at Medea, but when I rolled jpom + Strength + Gale + Medea on my final GCA attempt, I was like "I gotta". That is how strong jpom is.

[torn wind]

(No god keepsakes and no rerolls for fates’ whim, benefits of fates’ whim keepsakes last indefinitely)

So using Jpom at start of run is just an indefinite buff to everything for the whole run, and being able to use Chrolex is a nice bonus

Especially for running Vow of Debt

[torn wind]

The god combo if you’re good at Medea (I am very bad at Medea)

[craggy totem]

I'm gonna also take a second to fawn over Gale, because Gale saved my butt so many times

The movespeed! The dodge%! The blocks! What an absolute MVP. Best critter.

[night kettle]

i mean any weapon is strong at this point

[craggy totem]

Yah that's what I'm saying, that even on a weapon you're bad at, jpom helps so much

[night kettle]

still gotta get alot of stuff, i havent done story yet

[torn wind]

Thats fair, I went hard into Selene a lot until post-game

So I can’t argue I was free of the allure of the path of stars

Since it felt pretty strong. But I never took Selene over boons unless it was Ephyra and the only other option I had was bad

[still mantle]

OH COME ON

NEXUS RUSH ONLY DOES THE DAMAGE WHEN IT INFLICTS HITCH

NOT IF THE ENEMY HAS HITCH

[torn wind]

Descriptions are hard

[still mantle]

RIP funni build

[night kettle]

yeah neither i do, boons come first

[torn wind]

There’s a reason Nexus rush does as much damage as it does, because it can’t re-do it right after

[calm flicker]

There are any Steam Deck users that managed to configure the left thumbstick as a directional aim? It was one thing to rely on auto-aim to be able to backpedal whilst attacking, but there's too much mouse cattle poo to rely on that too in Hades 2.

[still mantle]

Ok I need another funni build idea

[torn wind]

Your next best solution for funny dash build is building into stabbing rush

Or a really low timer smithy rush if you go JPom calling card

[still mantle]

Ok

[cunning laurel]

supay breaker rush

[torn wind]

That’s also a good option

Jpom calling card smithy rush with Demeter and hestia special and attack on supay would be funny. Could also do Poseidon on attack or special instead as long as you get froth to proc origination

Could throw in Poseidon duo there to cut the timer down even more

Just gotta get really lucky with duos

[jolly hound]

Supay with hera dash and jpom is just run around and win the first two zones by itself

[torn wind]

Though Poseidon attack/special would push enemies away from each other so that would be bad for grouping them up for smithy rush

So yeah final build idea:
Supay
hestia/demeter attack and special (interchangeable) for their heph duos and origination proc
Poseidon cast/gain for timer duo
Smithy rush with calling card and jpom for heroic lvl 4
Could also go Apollo for cast instead of Poseidon to get the flat damage buff on daze instead of timer, probably stronger

What you think @still mantle is that funny enough for you?

[still mantle]

Im already trying a stabbing rush run lol

[torn wind]

Apollo duo on smithy rush is actually really strong now that I think about it

150% base damage buff

[torn wind]

Hope it goes well lol. Fingers crossed you get enough rocks for Rallying Cry

[still mantle]

Yep

And the 2 duos

[torn wind]

🤞

Who’re you getting for origination? Are you banking on getting heph glow?

I guess wounds also isn’t bad on supay

[still mantle]

Whoever ig

[torn wind]

But I wouldn’t want to rely on cast to get daze or the random chance daze boon

[still mantle]

Already took hephs cast

[torn wind]

Heph cast is nice early game at least

[still mantle]

And...
I guess im taking demeter special because she was in the bag

[torn wind]

RIP but hey it’s a curse so net positive

And holds guys in place for blades

[still mantle]

Is there anyway to intentionally shorten my dash range?

[nova oar]

No

[torn wind]

Attacking mid dash doesn’t cut it short sadly

And Supay you don’t attack anyways

I need to get better at using smithy rush, I always miss it

[still mantle]

Funnily enough the slowifying clouds actually benefit me here cuz it makes all 3 blades fall in basically the same spot😂

[torn wind]

lolll new fields tech discovered

[still mantle]

Screw rivals hecate

[torn wind]

Rivals Hecate is either really easy or an absolute pain. Had one of the duplicated morph orbs fly way off screen an I thought it despawned and then it flew back at light speed to hit me

[still mantle]

Its just a time sink😭

[torn wind]

Sometimes I get lucky and she doesn’t teleport far or it’s obvious right away which one she is

But sometimes she decides to always fly across the map and do the same move as the clones

[still mantle]

Welp, im dead

Going into rivals scylla with no arcana

Damn you, chaos

YES

BLOOD SPREE STONKS

SOMEHOW

RIVALS SCYLLA ARCANALESS

HERMES

GIVE ME STUTTER STEP YOU BUM

2573 gold

No chrolex

Chaos will ruin the economy

[torn wind]

I had a run where just for the meme I took every way to get gold

Got 167% total bonus from two chaos boons, Hermes, buried treasure, sea star, and Chrolex

Had like 7000 gold at the end

[still mantle]

Ok, chronos actually hot shredded

Scylla was easily the rockiest fight

But chronos was easy

I didn't even get rallying cry

[night kettle]

hm

[torn wind]

Did you get both blade duos?

[torn wind]

Never mind saw the #h2-victory-boasting post

[calm flicker]

Boy, I really shot myself in the foot in my first save file. I saved my Bones for some yet-to-be-seen, exorbitant purchase instead of buying Psyche en masse.

Well, at least I had a surplus of Nightmare...

[torn wind]

lol yeah farming psyche and moon dust early on is good

[calm flicker]

Also, why the fecund did Grave Thirst pick Xinth before I could even touch Thessaly?

[crude dragon]

Because it can do that

[torn wind]

Because the game hates you. Run a chaos trial to change it

Chaos trials reset nights

I did it if I needed extra nectar/ambrosia or wanted to do surface or underworld with a specific weapon for the bounty

[old veldt]

What's the point of the back in time incantation

I forgot the name

[torn wind]

Resetting the story

Don’t do it if you’re still going for achievements

[old veldt]

Does it add extra content after

Necessary for ||epilogue||?

[torn wind]

Nope

It’s literally just to see some things you may have missed like ||Eris stopping you in Olympus if you get too far too quickly||

[old veldt]

Okay

If I leave it there forever do I lose smth

Also does it reset record keeper and other guy

[torn wind]

You keep everything unlockable but dialogue trees and such reset

So any achievements like Arachne and all get reset

[old veldt]

I'm not on steam so I can't even get achievements lol

[torn wind]

It’s a prophecy

So you keep prophecies

If I’m correct

[old veldt]

Ok

Also for what aspects is night relevant

[torn wind]

as in?

[old veldt]

The arcana

[torn wind]

Oh

I mean any ones you would be cycling omegas on

Good on axe

[old veldt]

My friend said it's only if you alternate them

[torn wind]

Yeah so it’s not as good on Flames

[calm flicker]

Eris curses Melinoe on the surface too?

[torn wind]

Maybe it is in the underworld idk

I just saw that somewhere

[old veldt]

Seems such a hassle to change play style for that

[calm flicker]

The Umbral Flames like the Night Arcana the most. Descura's attack/special are so versatile, it's not hard to cycle between them versus most enemies & situations.

[old veldt]

Surely you're not going attack/special/attack/special tho, it's more attack x3 then special

[torn wind]

I guess flames likes the combo for special

[old veldt]

Or more

[torn wind]

But you’re spamming attack constantly so using special will just inherently always get 15% bonus crit chance

And it stacks with every additional omega until it activates a crit

[old veldt]

Don't you normally run blitz on special tho? So not as much of an effect

Unless you did hitch special and blitz attack

[torn wind]

So you could do oattack, ocast, then ospecial for even more crit chance

[calm flicker]

We're talking about the Night Arcana, no? What do regular attack/special have to do with it?

[torn wind]

I mean on flames honestly you can run just about anything. Blitz is strong though

[torn wind]

They mean omega I assume

But yeah you can fit in a lot of omega attacks on flames before special

So oattack benefits a lot less from Night than ospecial does

Since the crit chance also lasts for the full ospecial

So even better if you get the increased timer hammer upgrade

[old veldt]

I meant ospecial

I just didn't say it mb

[old veldt]

So wait every previous o move that WASNT the one that you used adds crit chance?

[torn wind]

Yep

The description states each move in an omega combo gets +15% crit chance

So if I’m correct the effect stacks

Until it activates

[calm flicker]

No.

[torn wind]

No? Well then I better go deal with my informant who lied to me

But I guess idk

But either way a 15% crit chance is really strong on the right builds

[calm flicker]

Performing a different activates Night, signified by the skull icon when channeling moves.

[torn wind]

You have +9%/+12%/+15%/+18% chance to deal Critical damage with each move in an Ω Combo.

This is the exact description

So “with each move in an omega combo” sounds significant

I mean I may be wrong idk

But still strong regardless

I guess that does just indicate you maintain the effect so long as you keep doing a combo

[calm flicker]

Indeed. Personally, I really like the Arcana & its design philosophy. Encourages performing all moves instead of one reliable one.

[torn wind]

It’s only 2 grasp

And so not at all a bad pick

It’s way more useful than something like Unseen unless you’re really unlucky and don’t get a gain

[cunning laurel]

hitch special is bis on every torch imo

[old veldt]

bis?

[torn wind]

I will say blitz is really nice with arc flash on flames

[cunning laurel]

best in slot

[old veldt]

Oh okay

[torn wind]

I had a really fun arc flash build with the hestia duo

Pyro technique + arc flash and the duo is really good

[jolly hound]

even over blitz?

[torn wind]

Jpom makes hereditary bane super strong

Increases the base % bonus to hitch by like 30% due to Pom levels

So becomes a 70% damage share which is really strong even if you don’t get rarity

[jolly hound]

It’s worth feeding it a Pom then having echo double its level if you’re going down and everything lines up to do all that

[cunning laurel]

you play hordes 3 always and you dont think hitch is best?

[torn wind]

Hitch + jpom hereditary bane on flames is busted

[rustic basin]

Blasting in out of nowhere, Hitch is absolutely the best Status in the game imo

[still mantle]

Hmmm. By the end of my funni stabbing rush run, the blades were doing about 340....

I can do better that THAT

[rustic basin]

Blitz is an easy second, but I just light up seeing Hitch cuz it means I get such free room-clear

[torn wind]

Now do the funny smithy rush build

[still mantle]

Time for a cut above build.....

MORE blades

[jolly hound]

I’d put it on attack or dash and blitz special usually

[still mantle]

How exactly does that work?

[torn wind]

I posted it earlier one sec

[still mantle]

Isn't that just dong build

[rustic basin]

Just make sure to run Supay to get free %

[jolly hound]

I’ll try hitch special on torches tho, worth a shot

[torn wind]

#h2-discussion message

Hestia, Demeter and Apollo duos with heph

To get double blast, 50% bonus damage, and +300 base damage

[still mantle]

fates whim run😭

[jolly hound]

tbh seems more effective to just get heroic heph special

[still mantle]

While trying to get 3 specific gods to cooperate😭

[torn wind]

The Pom and calling card will be worth it

[jolly hound]

even with the supay boost

[still mantle]

Does not seem like a good idea

[torn wind]

I mean yeah sure that’s the one drawback but you could just drop fates whim after first area

You just want the stuff on smithy rush but that’s fair

[jolly hound]

No you can’t you need calling card second zone

[rustic basin]

Pos also might be better than Dem if you don’t have good Freeze uptime (unless I’m mistaking it and even the post-Freeze Status counts for the % increase)

[torn wind]

That would require you to hold off on smithy rush until second area but yeah

[still mantle]

Im on the blades train already

[torn wind]

You can get the boon for extra freeze timer but yeah

[still mantle]

Imma try cut above

[rustic basin]

It’s not as difficult as you would think but it might be a few resets

[still mantle]

On like torches or something

[torn wind]

Supay or Moros cut above is solid

[still mantle]

Supay my beloved

[torn wind]

Like Supay is still a quite good aspect for flat damage buffs and omega effects

[still mantle]

Whaddaya think the blades damage will be by the end?

[torn wind]

Yes

[rustic basin]

Speaking of, gonna redo a 62. What Aspect should I run

[nova oar]

Calling card is buns wdym

[nova oar]

Shiva

[torn wind]

Literally just to get timer reduction on smithy rush

I’m just saying for funny build

To put everything into smithy rush

[rustic basin]

Oh so we just don’t want to have fun at all

Gotcha

[still mantle]

Hmm, now do i do my run right now, or do I continue spending hours of my life doing nothing but play Worldless

Sometimes we have to ask the hard questions

[torn wind]

Artemis

[rustic basin]

I could do it with no Wards and Void II so I can actually try Omega-focused Shiva and still have fun

[rustic basin]

Now we’re talking

[torn wind]

Artemis is just funny on chronos cause you can say “nuh uh”

[rustic basin]

I am a little tipsy but surely this will not be a problem

[torn wind]

speedrunning competition where everybody just has to get absolutely plastered

[rustic basin]

Oh my god, I would enter that so fast

I’m not even good at speed but I would love to just fumble over myself with other goobers in this game LOL

[torn wind]

give everybody white antler and death defiance. Death defiance = shot

Ah wait only lasts one region nvm

[still mantle]

I've ran out of aspects i actually like to upgrade

All that remains is selene, momus, and Artemis 😭

After reluctantly upgrading than and eos

[torn wind]

I have everything upgraded already it’s so nice just being able to pick anything

Now I only have nightmare for pet costumes

When I finally get the kudos

[still mantle]

Can somebody explain to me the purpose of momus?

[torn wind]

Free damage while you’re running around

[crude dragon]

It's the premier Night cycling aspect after Shiva

[torn wind]

It can activate base boons again as well

Sadly the omegas can’t activate fine line or prom flare and stuff

[still mantle]

Anubis

[torn wind]

Only the base boons effects so it can activate sword ring but not meat grinder

[still mantle]

Basically does its job, but better

[limpid oar]

Night doesn't even work on the pulses does it

[torn wind]

If momus activated fine line for free it would be insane

Or controlled burn

[still mantle]

Literally every other staff gets a piece of its niche

It has nothing unique in practice

[torn wind]

Area control is about it but yeah Anubis can do that

[limpid oar]

The aspect bonus is cool but it's held back by having to use staff omegas

[jolly hound]

if you get the heph poseidon duo that reduces cooldowns, does momus turrets fire faster?

[torn wind]

Boon effects

[still mantle]

Wait a minute....

[jolly hound]

damn

[torn wind]

I think it specifies time based boon effects

[still mantle]

Oh

Also

[calm flicker]

I think you need Premium Service, not Hephaestus/Poseidon's duo boon.

[torn wind]

Yeah it specifically says boon effects for pos-heph

[still mantle]

Can somebody explain to me wtf Artemis daggers do?

[torn wind]

Free parry for any source of damage other than poison, fire, or chaos gates

Can parry any hit in the game including chronos instakills

[still mantle]

Is it just random?

[torn wind]

No?

It’s a one-hit parry while charging

[timid vigil]

Fast omega attack go brrr

[torn wind]

It’s a guaranteed parry for one hit

[calm flicker]

Yeah... I didn't care for the faster attack channel speed when I mained Artemis for a little while.

[timid vigil]

Its funny

You can do fine line or just big oattack damage with something like aphro

[calm flicker]

The parry has a cooldown. The cooldown icon is on the bottom corner.

[torn wind]

Its downside is when you don’t have parry and reposte it’s literally just a base blades with no upgrades

[timid vigil]

Sweeping ambush goes wild too

Damn now I wanna do an Artemis oattack run

[torn wind]

The 50% crit chance is good on paper but relies on you sitting still to parry stuff or timing it really well

[still mantle]

Oh ok

[torn wind]

Who needs 50% crit chance when you can just do morrigan and delete anything instantly

Without even having to parry anything

[rustic basin]

Okay this is going way worse than it should, I might've had a bit too much

[still mantle]

Okay nergal feels super clunky whaduido?

[torn wind]

Psychic whirlwind or reset

[torn wind]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[calm flicker]

Ha. I find it easier to handle than non-Thanatos' Moonstone Axe.

[torn wind]

Got unlucky and didn’t get exceptional talent at the end

Would have been so much stronger

Nergal oattack charges faster than normal axe if I’m correct

And way stronger generally

[rustic basin]

Omegas

It's going to feel clunky literally no matter what, even with Psychic, but I would recommend Night cycling if you want a bit of minigame action

[torn wind]

Nergal with psychic whirlwind lets you cycle omegas for Night arcana

Yeah what they said

[calm flicker]

Yeah. Funnily enough, Nergal's fully channeled attack has a shorter duration than the Moonstone Axe's.

[rustic basin]

My 62 didn't have Psychic but you definitely do want it if it's ever offered

[torn wind]

Yeah cause less hits but bigger and hits harder if I’m correct

[nova oar]

Yeah it has 4 hits of increasing range iirc

[torn wind]

It’s pretty massive

[rustic basin]

Yeah, it gets bigger over time, which is a huge boon for it

*5, but yes

[calm flicker]

It also helps each hit is counted for charging Berserk & self- .

[torn wind]

It’s one of the few things I kinda like aphro attack on

Though Hera probably still better

But I got a pretty strong aphro attack on that run so basically one-shot everything

[calm flicker]

Wait, how does Aphrodite's Flourish count "close" for Nergal's special? Close from the player or the impact origin?

[torn wind]

Close to you I’m correct

[nova oar]

From the player

[calm flicker]

Figures.

[torn wind]

Island getaway was kinda nice on that run

To make the edge of oattack still count

Since it outranges aphro “close”

[calm flicker]

I wish Aphrodite's Strike/Flourish was a multiplier instead of a % bonus.

[torn wind]

That’s what a % is though