h2-discussion

[calm flicker]

Eventually. It's a great rarity when one's max Magick is so low or one's DMG output is so meager as to face such a problem.

[craggy totem]

Say if you have Hubris 2 and took static shock or something

Or you took that one Athena blessing

You just gotta be aware of what's up in your run

[honest tulip]

I mean one time I primed more magic than I had and just took an Aphrodiety prime for free lol

but I was running Circie gust with Airquality I think... so it wasn't like I was using magic anyway

[calm flicker]

Meanwhile, Hera's Gain boon offers almost zero nuance for the player to work around. No cooldowns like Poseidon's. No need to stop channelling like Aphrodite's. Hera's Gain boon is basically offers a giant-ass max Magick boost per location.

[honest tulip]

Yeah but like.... Bosses???

[broken creek]

Just kill them

They'll die in time

[honest tulip]

sure I've been doing that but doesn't sound wise

[craggy totem]

Genuinely you just gotta be build-aware

[honest tulip]

a hard cap does not sound good especially without the magic regain card

[calm flicker]

Unseen is a noob trap.

[broken creek]

Genuinley unless youre avoiding magic pots or priming too hard in other ways running out is harder than not

Or if youre just wasting mana in fights

Also yeah lile blu said unseen sucks unless its high fear and even then its arguable to not use

[honest tulip]

I guess one time I had the staff that used mage and didn't have a good regain

Born game really doesn't sound like it would keep up with that one

[red fox]

Unseen has a niche in high fear that easily replaced

[broken creek]

It keeps up with medea p.array it can keep up with anything

[calm flicker]

If you want passive Magick regeneration, get Hecuba, mother-fecund'r.

Hum. That was a sloppy censorship.

Mother...vector...?

[honest tulip]

I just like Hestia Cardio gain

[broken creek]

What's common lvl4 born gain?? If anyone remembers

[calm flicker]

That's fun.

[honest tulip]

feels way more reliable to just attack

[craggy totem]

16

[red fox]

Probably 15 or something

Oh 16

[calm flicker]

Not all weapons hit fast enough to take proper advantage of Hestia's Gain boon, but it usually does the trick.

[craggy totem]

I once pommed or possibly ransomed it to prime like 5mp lmao

[honest tulip]

I guess it doesn't work with cast but yeah

[broken creek]

Yeah 100 mana turns into ~400 with jpom born gain

[honest tulip]

I guess 80 strikes isn't bad

[calm flicker]

You think so or you know so?

[honest tulip]

Idk I tend to spam attacks and it's not like I count my attacks

[crude dragon]

Cardio Gain's pretty good, and is one of the few regens that can infinitely sustain stuff like Possessed Array if it's pommed enough

[honest tulip]

what's posessed array?

[crude dragon]

The Skull hammer that makes you do an instant-cast Omega Attack every time you pick up a skull, but eats 25 MP for each OAttack

[honest tulip]

ohhhh yeah I did that once

yeah those ate fastttt

[crude dragon]

Even with a rather substantial nerf towards the end of early access (it doesn't count as spending mana for the sake of stuff like Hexes or Righteous Pike), it's still probably the best hammer to find on Skull

[tropic ravine]

100%, with born gain and a decent amount of max magick you don’t even need to worry about the cost

[errant crow]

do you value super nova more than prominence flare on charon?

[red fox]

Yes because i like big explosions

[broken creek]

Big explosion make brain happy

[slim pike]

Prominence flare generally sits where a bunch of corpses now are, so eh.....

pretty cool on bosses though

Although if gyser spout shows up...

[errant crow]

not sure why I haven't been able to talk to Moros to unlcok Supay as I already have all 3 umbral flames weapons and leveled moros up to 5

[slate nimbus]

Alright, it's bragging time. I just completed all achievements on Hades 2. I got them all on 1 too

[topaz anchor]

Do you change your arcana cards often?

[errant crow]

if I'm just trying to find bird, do I just focus non-boon rooms in erebus?

or can fountain rooms have boons too?

[slim pike]

I think I've seen a hermes boon in one

definitely had boons in fountain chambers elsewhere

[errant crow]

so if I get to hecate and I don't see it, I can just suicide to her for new seed yeah?

[rancid patrol]

Would I lose chunks of dialogue if I cast ||Disintegration of Monstrosity|| on just the 31st night?

[slim pike]

You can ||roll back the entire true ending|| if you really want

[errant crow]

I also don't understand why I have all 3 umbral flames aspects unlocked and moros leveled up all the way and talking to moros doesn't unlock the hidden aspect

[rancid patrol]

oh right, i forgot that would be a thing after

[slim pike]

Has he got other stuff to say first?

[errant crow]

I mean, sort of?

do I need to have taken damage for the fountain room to appear?

[slim pike]

Nah

[slim pike]

And yeah, just keep chatting

[cunning laurel]

i think phial increases chance of getting fountain

and in erebus it cant be a boon

[slim pike]

It doesn't

[errant crow]

thank god

[slim pike]

And yeah, probably not a boon. I'm probably just remembering artificer

[errant crow]

fkn 50 seeds later I find birb

i was losing my MIND

actually that seed let me get my last flux I needed for nyx so I can try to get shiva or whatever so gg ty seed

@slim pike there any reason to give nyx nectar in chaos gate? she randomly showed up, but when I check the book it says she desires only continued service to the realm

[slim pike]

do it anyway?

get dialogue

[errant crow]

oh I wasn't sure if there were any negatives from giving when they didn't want it

cool

[hollow crest]

should i take hammer for Medea: 1 Mega Driver (faster and 50% dmg to specials) or 2 Melting break (+600 dmg to armor form special)

actually i'll take Collossus Driver (+30 power to specials and -30% while using them)

[hollow crest]

ok no i can't. 32 heat is impossible. frenzy 2 makes me take damage from every single enemy and i'm not even exagerrating. Medea aspect doesn't one shot bosses anymore, for some reason. i have to switch to something else

how am i supposed to bash into enemies if i take damage from them? every single animation is so sped up i can't sneak in the attacks. 200+hrs in, and Scylla rivals with frenzy 2 is so awful that my desire to play this game anymore vanished

[tranquil wren]

you don't need frenzy2 for 32F

[timid vigil]

Frenzy 2 will take a while to get used to

Just part of the process, but it's worth it later if you wanna keep increasing fear

[limpid oar]

Have you considered playing a safer weapon?

Medea deals silly damage but i wouldn't recommend starting fear pushing with it

[tranquil wren]

yeah if your goal is to get 32F once and then you're done, just play with a safe weapon like mel staff/circe

frenzy1 is good enough also

[hollow crest]

went for circe + gale instead of dog. instant 32 win. alright

i love chronos frenzy 2. no delayed attacks, it's much more fun in this game

in elden ring for example, delayed attacks are great, you have to actually learn the moveset and not just panic roll as soon as you see any windup. this game is just DPS as much as you can

MAY TIME FLOW FREELY FORTH!!!

https://imgur.com/a/PEydF3j

[dull tendon]

Now I wonder

What in the world did Nyx need the Black Coat for at some point

[slim pike]

for punching things

[dusky mountain]

i got the Nyx shirt from the store for christmas

[slim pike]

Demeter had malphon too, imagine her just getting in Chronos' face and just throwing hands

[dusky mountain]

love it

[dull tendon]

Suits her well I'm ngl

[slim pike]

Delivers a massive uppercut, gets electrified by zeus with this big shield, Hera rains down arrows and then at the end, Hestia just snipes him

all seems to be a much different time

[dull tendon]

But what kind of things

What did Nyx face that she needed the COAT of all things

[slim pike]

things that needed punching, ramming into at high speed and barraged with cluster missiles

could be anything, really

You might well ask who Selene needed to punch too

[hollow crest]

can i even pick the middle option ever??
please help me out, are these any good

https://imgur.com/a/fOo3tD5

playing Circe aspect i might as well rarify the lobbing cast and take it??

i feel lobotomized WHAT DO I PICK

[cursive nacelle]

Lemme check

[slim pike]

Just take the drink if you want a safe option

Tipsy shot is a bit wonky on circe and reckless abandon is a power down

[hollow crest]

consider i have hestia attack so i just spam scorch

but ok thanks, lob is ass i guess..

[cursive nacelle]

Top the others screw you

Lob is good in general

[slim pike]

Tipsy shot is at least a nuke, but it's so slow

[cursive nacelle]

But having worse ring uptime sucks

[hollow crest]

also do i go for the hammers as soon as i see them? because that's what i was doing my entire life

but pretty often they're useless. like with Circe

[slim pike]

Not always

[hollow crest]

i can go Hermes or hammer rn. im before rivals prometheus

[cursive nacelle]

Not as important on circe and generally less so in hades 2

[hollow crest]

doing judgment arcana + 20 heat

[slim pike]

Hammers can appear in zone 4 instead

[hollow crest]

never had that lol

then hermes i go

[slim pike]

if you always take them in zone 3 then they won't

you can't get a hammer to spawn in zone 1 or 2 if you already have one, and you can't get them to spawn in zones 3 and 4 if you have two

(Experimental hammer is ignored)

[hollow crest]

RAAAAA WINNERS CIRCLE

im gonna make it heroic OH YEA

[slim pike]

There we go

but yeah, basically the game will keep trying to store hammers in its spawn pool when they're not allowed

[hollow crest]

just bend me over hermes winners circle is so goated

[slim pike]

so if you skip a hammer in zone 1 it can take a while for another to show, but if you skip one in zone three it's very common to see one appear very shortly afterwards

[hollow crest]

yeah ikr, tho i once got 3 hammers for 0 reason. the game has just decided to. then i proceeded to take 1 more from Echo iirc, and then took the keepsake hammers. 5 total hammers i believe

i decided to not hide from the Prometheus bird in Olympus one time in my life. i just took 100 damage. im at 37HP i think run is over

WAIT I HAVE 3 REVIVES ALR EASY

im so sexy

rivals prom is so hard.. 2 revives wasted

and that was with knuckle bones MY GOOOD

i can't imagine what rivals typhon is gonna look like rn...

[slim pike]

Ez

[gilded leaf]

its peak trust

[hollow crest]

WHAT IS HE DOING HERE NOO

tell me he's just gonna sit on the dedicated chair in the corner

ok this is difficult AF. phase 2 i CANT imagine

ok i died at the very end of it. this is the hardest bossfight in videogames. and i'm not even exagerrating. how is this even possible to nohit

typhon was already the hardest boss in hades by far but this?? wtf it's just random bs go

and no i'm not in a denial/anger stage, this is complete BS

https://imgur.com/a/Vr90YOR

[slim pike]

Oh please, it's really not that much harder than normal

what did you call "the very end" anyway?

[nova oar]

Chronos is way worse

[slim pike]

because well, heh

[nova oar]

Rivals anyway, it'll be fine once you get adjusted

[hollow crest]

it's just P3 i've already fought in the story

[nova oar]

That's not the rivals fight

[hollow crest]

i saw it on youtube some weeks ago from what i remember it looked the same. frenzy made it worse ofc

[nova oar]

The rivals fight is much harder

[hollow crest]

well i was fighting P2 for like 3 minutes

i was definitely a few hits away from defeating him

[slim pike]

what do you define as phase 2?

[nova oar]

I've done rivals typhon hitless at 40f but still have yet to do rivals chronos hitless

[slim pike]

because you can cut that fight a few different ways

[nova oar]

If you didn't make it to bablity then you weren't close

[slim pike]

shhhh, spoilers

[hollow crest]

im not restarted, obviously when Zeus striked. but it was some different "cutscene", i can't recall anymore lol

he didn't whip out his tongue like usual

[nova oar]

You weren't even close then

[hollow crest]

wow ok. that's just crazy. but how tho

[slim pike]

That's the halfway mark through the main part

technically phase 3

out of.... uh.. some

Word of advice, during that scene where zeus doesn't arrive, DO NOT JUST BLINDLY RUSH IN

you can eat so much damage at that point if you don't know what's going on

[hollow crest]

im playing the best weapon in the game, with the best keepsakes, choosing best possible boons

[slim pike]

There's timestop bubbles everywhere, Typhon is using his really annoying cyclone spam attack

[hollow crest]

i guess 20 heat + judgment really pulled me down

[slim pike]

and there's projectiles being launched around

[slim pike]

Wait wait, judgement?

[hollow crest]

i've never attempted rivals 4, only beat rivals 3 once, and judgment insta activated Death so my Strength was inactive the entire run. i guess that

[hollow crest]

yes i was doing that stupid arcana challenge

[slim pike]

Maybe just pick a proper arcana setup and try again

and the best build doesn't matter much against typhon if you don't react correctly to his moves

[hollow crest]

yeah i've fought after that for like 2 more minutes

[slim pike]

he's a massive skill check

[slim pike]

Did he spawn any more eggs?

[hollow crest]

ikr. i struggled with him at first. learned moveset and it was fine

[hollow crest]

yeah a lot that's when i started taking damage

[slim pike]

he has two egg spawning phases

[hollow crest]

i tried killing them but he was like spamming his tongue in the middle wtf is that

[slim pike]

you saw the second one?

[hollow crest]

of course. and fought for a lot longer after that

[slim pike]

okay so you were deep into phase 4, and phase 4 is hard

there's a lot of stuff going on

[hollow crest]

it's just cancer. im genuinely enjoying this game less with rivals Prometheus, Scylla and typhon

whoever designed that has to be in prison

[slim pike]

what other vows have you taken?

[hollow crest]

oh basically none. timer 3 and shadow

20 heat overall

skill issued i guess. but that's just not something that you WANT to learn imo, that was straight up cancer

[slim pike]

timer 3? Brave for trialling rivals

[hollow crest]

my runs are 10 min long i never turn off timer, ever

[slim pike]

ehhhh, I can fairly routinely do it with minimal damage

[hollow crest]

timer is the freest heat in the game, also shadow

[nova oar]

Real

[slim pike]

phase 4 is hard though

[hollow crest]

those clones hit me like once in my life

[nova oar]

Yeah it does get worse

Just gotta have a strong build

[slim pike]

and the tounge slam attack gets me because it looks like the chin slam, so my instinct to dash away can cause problems

[hollow crest]

also that chin slam... i get hit by it 80% of the time

[slim pike]

but he always starts the fight with his new tounge slam combo btw

[hollow crest]

i dash away but he gets me with range, and iframing through?? feels like it has a lingering hitbox

[slim pike]

dash away properly

[hollow crest]

when i was doing frenzy 2 typhon it was so easy

[nova oar]

The fight is more consistent with frenzy (ive never done typhon or rivals typhon without frenzy)

[slim pike]

as in, away in the correct direction, or his horns catch you

[hollow crest]

i dash south

90 degrees down ok

bro im feeling down now. im a gamer, how am i dying to ts..

[slim pike]

He hasn't even pulled your pants down properly yet

dust yourself off, give it another go

[hollow crest]

bro my pants are always down

[slim pike]

You asked for a hard mode of the final boss, would be a bit of a letdown if it wasn't hard enough to stop you even once

plus plus plus, if you want a bit of an easter egg

take Temper of Zeus into that fight and use it

(Twlight curse godsent)

[hollow crest]

i never go hexes, i just hate that you have to spend mana as a condition, but yeah that's a good call

[nova oar]

Good, hexes are buns

[slim pike]

but that one specifically has a funny easter egg

on that particular fight

[hollow crest]

i couldn't stop time either, alt tabbed to type and chronos was still talking lmao

game pauses on alt tab so all good

[slim pike]

not done that incantation?

[hollow crest]

did. but you can't pause in typhon rivals, that's why i said it

i've done all incantations like 100hrs ago

[slim pike]

Yes you can

[gusty maple]

You can

[slim pike]

but you need to fail to do so once to unlock the incantation

[hollow crest]

yeah already guessed it. I NEVER FAILED TO ANYONE BEFORE 😡😡

[dire sand]

Always a time to fail

[slim pike]

Also you have to try to use phase shift against chronos to unlock the incantation to make that actually work

[gusty maple]

I discovered it by pressing esc accidentally on chronos rivals lol

[hollow crest]

i had that unlocked in the first 5 hours of the game

[slim pike]

fair enough, easier one to find

in EA even normal chronos blocked your pause button

and there was no incantation

[hollow crest]

yeah i've played since day 1 i remember that. too bad game ended on Eris lol

[hallow vault]

I feel like the 2 Games will never let me Go

[slim pike]

ah here we go: #h2-victory-boasting message

[hallow vault]

I Love Bastion and Transistor and i liked Pyre

[slim pike]

spoiling the easter egg a bit, but still

[hallow vault]

But Hades and Hades 2 Always come in phases for me

I also will never ever pirate anything from Supergiant

I Just want to Support them

[slim pike]

(Also some of the lines when using godsents against them in family disputes is just funny)

(Poor hephestus)

[hallow vault]

I mean 28 bucks For Hades 2 is a steal

[dire sand]

Ye real it should be an $80 triple A title

[still mantle]

80$ is like normal pricing for a big game where I am

🇨🇦

[dire sand]

40 toonies

[still mantle]

Yes

But hades is 38.99 for me

[dire sand]

40 loonies

[still mantle]

39 loonies*

[dire sand]

Basically 40

[still mantle]

I guess

Hmmm. Yall made me take excellence off

I've done 2 runs since I did

And

Lost both of them

Coincidence? Maybe
.

[cunning laurel]

what did you replace it with

[slim pike]

Please don't say the Unseen

[still mantle]

No

Why????

[slim pike]

ok phew

[still mantle]

Would i do that

Its objectively a worse glamor gain

[slim pike]

Oh yeah, I completely agree, I was just concerned you turned off excellence and replaced it with the other 5-grasp arcana

[still mantle]

I replaced it with origination

[slim pike]

assuming that Origination is already set because why would you not?

Ah okay, Origination is like, orders of magnitude better than excellence

[cunning laurel]

you turned off excellence for origination and your winrate went down?

[still mantle]

Its only been a couple runs

[slim pike]

I mean I'm surprised too

Obviously you have to play to origination a little

[still mantle]

I suppose my origination is only at +38%

[slim pike]

yeah max that out, +50% is glorious

[still mantle]

Which might be less than basically always having higher rarity and uncommon grace

But at 50% origination should be better

[slim pike]

even then

+38% is well above anything uncommon grace does

and it's there from the start

and well, curses are good

[craggy totem]

In case you didn't realize (because the boon wording doesn't make it clear), Proper Upbringing also guarantees that Uncommon Grace won't get broken

It rarifies all common boons offered to you as well as all boons you currently hold

[still mantle]

Yes

The later I get into the game, how significant actually is it to go for grave thirst?

[craggy totem]

It's just for kicks

You still want to do it if you want to get the cosmetic stuff

But otherwise, it's just one way of worshiping the Fates ;P

[still mantle]

Although I still need MORE DAMN MOONDUST

...I guess im playing medea skull

The fates will it

[crude dragon]

It's a very noticeable influx of bones if you're getting at least 3 regions in

It's what, 3 bones per room cleared?

[gusty tree]

What is everyone’s favorite normal boss and your favorite Vow of Rivals boss?

I guess I’ll start

Favorite Normal Boss: Chronos

Vow of Rivals: Scylla

[craggy totem]

Depends on what you mean by favorite, I guess. Like, on a fun thematic level, it's normal Scylla and Rivals Prometheus.

But in terms of "if for some reason my entire run only required me to fight one (1) boss and the other ones just mailed me a raincheck saying 'soz, couldn't make it today, toodle-oo!', which boss would I want to fight?".... I think normal Cerb and.... rivals.... honestly, Prometheus again.

[gusty tree]

Prometheus normal kicks my ass honestly

[craggy totem]

It's just that amongst the Rivals fights, I find R!Prom the most straightforward one

Sure, he and his boyfriend hit like a truck, but you know exactly what they're doing

There is a minimum of annoying BS

[still mantle]

Does anybody else not memorize the prometheus flames and just learned the dash timing?

[gusty tree]

I have trouble memorizing the flame patterns honestly

[craggy totem]

You know the usual tips for memorizing them, right?

[still mantle]

Yeah the 3 wave is fine but the 6 is always just dash at the exact time

[craggy totem]

It's a five wave

[still mantle]

Is it?

[craggy totem]

As someone who memorizes every time: yes

[still mantle]

Oh ok

[fresh wind]

I just say the safe zones to myself out loud

[gusty tree]

Anyways I guess I’ll say my least favorite bosses because I said my favorites

Normal: Cerberus

Vow of Rivals: Eris

Eris in general
is my least favorite surface boss even normally

Vow of rivals is annoying

[craggy totem]

I agree Cerb is a bit of a letdown thematically (don't make me fight my dog! also, the retcon about why he's still there post-ending doesn't make a lot of sense!)

[still mantle]

One...
Last....
Gasp.....!

[still mantle]

What's the retcon?

[timid vigil]

plenty of stuff is weird after ending

[craggy totem]

Minor post-ending spoiler: ||That supposedly he goes back just to do it "for fun"||

It seriously does not make a lot of sense given the visuals etc.

[gusty tree]

Considering how wierd the early access story was I don’t want to think about what the original explanation was

[still mantle]

I mean, presumably he's just running around in the fields and gets covered in Shades again

[timid vigil]

tbh i think it would be better if || chronos went to the crossroads and launched us into a new possibility straight from there instead of only on the final boss, meaning its a different timeline even from the beginning of the run, also this could make for some interesting interactions like hecate realizing that melinoe who's figthing her is not the mel from her timeline or stuff like that || (a lot of ending spoilers)

[craggy totem]

Yeah, but during the main story, it's described as him being absolutely tormented by those shades and made to suffer

And you still end up picking up his tears as the boss drop

Das messed up bro

[gusty maple]

Interesting, but then it would cause a problem with developping bonds with gods. Though you can still do it during Chaos trials and no one seems to be shocked lol

[timid vigil]

eh i guess

also || hades would still technically be a prisoner and the zag fight would not make sense ||

but still less weird in general i think

[gusty maple]

it would have more sense in the way that ||Mel really changes something to the Underworld/Olympus invasion situation||

[craggy totem]

Alternate retcon for the Cerb fight -- not necessarily a super serious or well thought out proposal, but an alternative: ||rather than Cerb himself being there, it's that the shades got so accustomed to his pre-ending visits that they follow their old habits and sort of assume his form, like a hollow dog-shaped mass of angry spirits||

You'd need one alternate graphic for when you win

But you could use the same sprites during the actual fight

And you don't need to mess about too much with the rest of the story/timeline/etc

[gusty maple]

that's a possibility yeah. I don't find the explanation of ||"he's having fun" that much absurd (after all, he was already bad as a guardian of UW's doors in H1, so him deciding to have fun in the fields since there's nothing to guard and getting "dirty" with all the shades roaming around can make sense||

The least explainable one is probably Hecate. Guess she just likes fighting Mel lol

[broken glen]

I feel like the story has a lot of interesting implications that they just never get into- for example, ||the Zagreus we speak to in the mirror of night can’t be from the same timeline as our Melinoe. Hecate doesn’t exist as the handmaiden! This would explain why all of the timelines get mixed up post ending, because we literally did it ourselves||

[craggy totem]

Really? I feel like Hecate is the one that makes the most sense to me lol

She's a hardass who just wants Mel to be super well trained

[gusty maple]

yeah I guess that's logical if we consider that lol. She just seems super busy everytime so going after Mel every night feels like a shared burden, but she's a perfectionist

[craggy totem]

Major epilogue spoilers: ||It definitely makes sense in terms of their shared underlying personality hehe||

[sturdy magnet]

Does anyone ever find it annoying when watch some gameplay of Hades and they just skip the dialogue

[craggy totem]

If it's a challenge run then idc, if it's a campaign playthrough then that's a bit weird

[jolly hound]

Not really, I’m looking at high fear runs on YouTube and I care more about what the player is saying than the dialogue I’ve heard already. I will sometimes listen to dialogue compilations as background noise tho

[timid vigil]

If it's a normal playthrough yes

I've had friends play h1 and I always see tem skipping dialogue I get kinda sad

Like you're losing 50% of the game bro 😭

But if im watching high fear runs and speedruns it's whatever

[sturdy magnet]

I can get if you’re trying to do challenge or already heard the same dialogue. But if I’m focus on the story. It kinda irks me to just skip such incredible voice acting.

[gusty maple]

Watching streamers play this game and skipping the story is highly painful

[brave gate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/s/ot3EwhaB8Z
Forgot to post this here also lol

[brave gate]

Like they’re playing it for the first time or do you mean people who have 100s of hours skipping boon dialogue?

[gusty maple]

Really first playtrough

[brave gate]

Dang. Yeah I wouldn’t be able to watch that 😭

I already struggle to watch people play a game that I know super well for the first time that let alone people who skip the good stuff

[gusty maple]

The worst thing ever I experienced is watching someone play Outer Wilds while you've already completed the game

It's like, extremely painful and frustrating

[vocal verge]

What does the "purple" element mean? The one you get for DUO boons etc?

[craggy totem]

Aether

[vocal verge]

Thanks. Does it provide something or qualify you for something?

[craggy totem]

Yes, there's a Chaos boon that buffs you based on the number of aether elements you have

[vocal verge]

That's it?

[craggy totem]

That's all I can think of, idk if there's something I just forgor

[still mantle]

NO

CHRONOS SPAWNED THE STUPID SAFE ZONE ACROSS THE ARENA

WHY

I WAS SHREDDING HIM

AND ON LIKE 80% HP

[craggy totem]

You've got two options in this scenario:

• if you have the DPS, ignore him and keep hitting him to phase or kill him
• if you don't have the DPS but have good reflexes, dash iframe

[brave gate]

You should still have time to run to it. Did you get caught in one of the gold dust domes or something?

[craggy totem]

Oh I thought this was just complaining about not being able to keep hitting him lol

[still mantle]

Yes

[brave gate]

I think they died to the attack

[craggy totem]

RIP Melinoe

[still mantle]

I died

On an insane charon run too😭

[brave gate]

Dang that’s rough. Whenever Chronos does that insta-kill* attack, I make sure not to kill any hourglasses near the safe zone.

*(Technically not an insta kill. I’ve survived it before.)

They don’t really do much so you’re safe to cuddle up next to them lol

[still mantle]

Yeah he did it as I was killing an hourglass

[brave gate]

Oof

Yeah at that point just pray you can time the dash right lol

Were you using Strength or DDs?

[vocal verge]

I don't get the ||Zagreus questline.. Does it require fear to meet him and is there some system to advance his storyline. I killed him once||

[craggy totem]

1. It does not require Fear. It's random.
2. Just do the encounter twice (or maybe thrice idr)

[brave gate]

Beat him one more time and you’ll get his keepsake

[still mantle]

Strength

Wait... you can iframe that

[brave gate]

He can only appear at mid-region shops. So, not the ones that appear right before the boss.

[craggy totem]

You Can Iframe Everything

[still mantle]

NOOOO

[brave gate]

Yes

[still mantle]

I THOUGHT THAT WENT THROUGH

[craggy totem]

There's some stuff that can't be blocked by specific abilities, but everything can be iframed

[brave gate]

But you can also tank it with enough HP and damage reduction

[still mantle]

I probably could've survived

If i had dashed

[jolly hound]

I’ve survived it once by using the kamehameha and the armor given by the hex saved my ass

[brave gate]

I remember you saying that before. Pure aura lol

[craggy totem]

*addendum: every attack, anyway. obv you can't iframe things that are just Effects That Happen, like the arenawide timeslow

[brave gate]

Wolf Jump hex is also great at dodging. One of my favorite hexes

[jolly hound]

at the time it was more like, pray to Zeus this works

now I’ll do it on purpose tho

[vocal verge]

thanks

[still mantle]

Wow, what a great run start. I had to reroll twice just for an attack boon

[vocal verge]

thanks

[brave gate]

👍

[brave gate]

Have you seen or read JoJos Bizarre Adventure?

[brave gate]

You can go a few rooms without an attack boon

[still mantle]

Ok chronos is cooked

I have full hp, 17 moon waters, a good build, and some armor

[sturdy magnet]

You know the pain

[sturdy magnet]

Yes

I can understand skipping it if you're already hear it or just don't want to listen to same dialogue

I do that with Theseus in the first game

[brave gate]

I like how Hermes on the first game bluntly asks “Do you want to keep chatting each time you select one of my boons or nah?”

[tacit sequoia]

How do I get the zagurist spear

?

[brave gate]

As a weapon you can use? You don't

[tacit sequoia]

Ohhh ok

[still mantle]

OH, COME ON

I HAVE TO BEAT CHRONOS AGAIN TO GET GIGAROS

I ALREADY HAVE ALL THE SAND

[hollow crest]

yeah that sucks@still mantle. i went through that too

[still mantle]

Sadge

Hey, what's the best morrigan build?

[jolly hound]

No :/

[brave gate]

Dang was gonna make a reference

[hollow crest]

you should. one of the best pieces of fiction ever

[brave gate]

I didnt know Sea Star worked on Selene

I have Extended Family at 21% right now cause I got Artemis and a 5th god from Echo lol

I know it can go even higher but I think this is the highest I've gotten it

[still mantle]

Holy-

2 MINUTE OCEANUS

Im not even speedrunning

[sturdy magnet]

I would never silence Hermes

[still mantle]

My record is 40%

[vocal verge]

Supergiant must do a DLC or extend the game somehow. It's already a classic

[craggy totem]

I don't see how "it's already a classic" in any way necessitates DLCs or other types of extension

Ye logick, it does not follow

[vocal verge]

It's the rules in my ideal universe

[still mantle]

Moros torches might be my new favorite weapon

[honest tulip]

Using born gain rn

It gave up on me halfway through scylla 2

I mean I already only have 99 and my attack uses 45 but still

[crude dragon]

That might prove an issue

You should get more

It's time, gamer, equip the Silver Wheel

[median plinth]

how does born gain work when you're out of magic and want to use more? Does it prime to full and subtract from new number, or does it subtract some, prime to full, subtract the rest?

[honest tulip]

I can't cast magic

[craggy totem]

Mcshoo is asking a more general question

[median plinth]

like in the 99 case with using 45:
at 3rd use you have 9 and are using 45. Say born gain primes 15.

will you be left with max of 84 (99 - 15), missing 45 ?

or will you be left with max of 84 missing 36 (since it takes 9 from your existing magic bar)

[crude dragon]

If you've still got MP left to prime, it'll cast the thing for free, and then refill and prime

So you'd refill to 84

[median plinth]

ooo that's even better

[craggy totem]

Speaking of things that let you cast for free, this is everybody's perennial reminder that Flood Gain lets you cast for free at zero MP as long as it's off cooldown

[tribal wharf]

Yeah I didn’t understand flood gain at all at first from skimming its description and assumed it sucked but after actually using it I was like ooooooh

[median plinth]

does the cooldown start when you activate flood gain or when it finishes the "free magic" flood?

[brave gate]

when it ends

[craggy totem]

It would be mad powerful if the cooldown counted from the activation, cos you can pom the duration up real high

[median plinth]

but flood gain doesn't actually give you magic right? Even if you have 8 second flood, with 8 second cooldown, that means you're casting half on half off right?

[craggy totem]

If you cast with 0 magick and it "refunds" magick that you never actually spent, then you end up with a positive

[median plinth]

I guess your first 8 seconds are free magic, then you use your bar

[craggy totem]

Yerp

[brave gate]

It's really good

You can also get the Poseidon + Hephaestus duo boon to shorten the cooldown

[crude dragon]

It does, it's like Serenity from pre-rework Circe

[median plinth]

I don't know how that worked

[crude dragon]

It was a percentage-based regen that'd keep ticking even while you channeled magic

[honest tulip]

I can use my Attack a grand total of 9 times...

I'm running Charon

🫠

I have rival Chronos up next

Fireball save me

[craggy totem]

You're running Charon and you're using Attack? Do you mean ospecial

[still mantle]

Finally got possessed array

[honest tulip]

My Omega Special yeah

It's a type of attack

I can only use it 9 times

[still mantle]

bEtTeR lAtE tHaN nEvEr

[crude dragon]

Yeah, uh

Run Lucid Gain

[honest tulip]

Yeah that would have been nice

oh well

[brave gate]

I dont like jPom for Charon runs just cause I wanna start with Apollo keepsake and get his gain lmao

[honest tulip]

I got hit by an instakill

[brave gate]

oof

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwxLDEsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd
What should I add next from here? I don't want to jump straight to 48

[craggy totem]

Easy: another point of Debt
Medium: start breaking into Wards and Return
Embrace suffering for educational purposes: Forfeit, Pain

[brave gate]

Yeah I was thinking bumping scars and debt up to 2

I didnt take much damage in my 40f clear so it makes me hopeful for scars 2

#h2-victory-boasting message
@craggy totem

[median plinth]

I've liked debt very little in my climb

I liked having lots of access to shop healing, and I still wanted to buy boons

[brave gate]

I've never had an issue with Debt 1. Debt 1 feels like the norm to me

[median plinth]

I'd personally do 2x return and turn off debt

especially if timer hasn't been an issue

[brave gate]

That's atrocious 😭

[merry whale]

return does actually soak up a lot more time than u'd expect but it's also giga free once ur accustomed to it

[median plinth]

what can I say, I like my boons

[brave gate]

I use Debt 1 and am always able to buy everything I want and more

[brave gate]

"Giga free" depends on the weapon lol

[merry whale]

idk i haven't felt any weapon/aspect specifically where return feels worse

[jolly hound]

hordes 3

[median plinth]

how much heat do you want to add?

[brave gate]

:/

[merry whale]

if ur planning to get to 62f then turn on forfeit now

[jolly hound]

yep I’m still crazy. Nice job hitting 40 tho!

[brave gate]

At most 4 I guess. Probably gonna start with scars 2 and debt 2 to be at 42f

[brave gate]

Thanks!

[brave gate]

I dont feel like going that high. I never want to touch forfeit and void

[jolly hound]

Hordes 2 and forfeit then fineeee

[merry whale]

that's fair

[median plinth]

2 between wards and return, debt 2, pain 1 ?

[merry whale]

i'd go to scars 2 return 2 debt 2

[median plinth]

would be my vote

[merry whale]

gotta learn to manage ur gold

[brave gate]

Lmao I just started a Mel axe run and here were the rooms:

1. Ares boon - chose special
2. Ash that I artificered into Ares -chose Mutual Destruction
3. Ares boon - chose Grievous Wounds

[brave gate]

?

[median plinth]

that's what I'd do for 44

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzEsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwxLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd

[brave gate]

Oh I thought you were saying that's what I said

[median plinth]

something like that

(2 between wards and return), debt 2, pain 1

but if you're climbing to 50 or something, you might as well get used to some things

[brave gate]

Probably Scars 2, Debt 2, Return 1, and then either Pain 1 or Grit 1

[median plinth]

like wards/forfeit

[brave gate]

Actually hordes instead of grit

[median plinth]

good luck with the climb. always good to just experiment and see what suits your style

[jolly hound]

hordes hordes hordes (like echo idk)

[brave gate]

That's a rude thing to call Echo ☹️

[cunning laurel]

why not jump to 62

[brave gate]

screw it 67

[honest tulip]

I'm entering Hecate with 0 time and 145 hp 🫠

[cunning laurel]

like literally 0 time?

[honest tulip]

yes

She stalled me out WITH HER STUPID SHIELDS

[cunning laurel]

jeez what happened in erebus

[brave gate]

When I have Mutual Destruction and get hit, it's not because I'm bad. It's a tactical decision 🥲

Buries Treasure should increase the amount of max HP/mana you get from ashes and bones

[smoky rover]

When does prommy summon? An amount of lost HP, or time?

[craggy totem]

HP

[smoky rover]

Which percentages then?

[craggy totem]

Wait, no, I misunderstood your question

You're asking about the adds, ignore me

[smoky rover]

Ah

[honest tulip]

Oh also/// OMG Zageus said "That's my line!" after I said "Darkness"

[crude dragon]

Honestly sounds like the average high-Fear Erebus if you don't get a Boon in your third room

Or any free rooms

[brave gate]

jPom giving me Life Tax makes me want to cry

But at least it's not Howling Soul

[cunning laurel]

or last gasp or cinerary circle

or old grudge

[brave gate]

2 rooms into my Hel run and it already feels miserable

[tropic ravine]

Ngl hades boons are ahh

[jolly hound]

Your tune will change once you get to scars 3

[cunning laurel]

gigaros dash tho

[jolly hound]

and gigaros dash and deep dissent are both wonderful

[brave gate]

• Life Tax is good if you get it in Tartarus
• Deep Dissent is good
• Gigaros Dash is super good
• Last Gasp can be good
• Unseen Ire is good

[jolly hound]

*deep dissent goes from c tier to a tier vs rivals

I once had a 70 percent last gasp lol Athena and echo both came through for me that was such an ugly win

[tropic ravine]

Bro I swear I keep forgetting people do fear runs / casual runs and not just for speedrunning

[brave gate]

Cinerary Circle at least doesn't harm you. A bit of passive damage if you're using magic

I absolutely hate Howling Soul. There are times I do take it.

[tropic ravine]

Only dash/one that makes you shout darkness is good for speedrunning

[brave gate]

Old Grudge is whatever

[cunning laurel]

shout darkness?

[brave gate]

Wouldn't Old Grudge help in ?

[tropic ravine]

Eh true

[jolly hound]

Ya know what’s annoying is im a certified howling soul hater but my fear pb was with howling soul (and life tax later)

[cunning laurel]

for uw it hits him when he's already phased

[brave gate]

wdym

[jolly hound]

Got a epic Zeus special on moros torches and was like, fine I guess I’ll run howling

[brave gate]

Oh you mean the speed runners get his health down already

[jolly hound]

when he’s in his bubble. like if you can hit him insanely hard right off rip, old grudge is worthless

[brave gate]

I'm pretty sure Howling Soul sucked way more in early access. It was either slower and/or didn't home

[cunning laurel]

old grudge hits chronos when youve already hit him enough to make him invulnerable

and does nothing

[brave gate]

oof

[cunning laurel]

not that you often have jpom boon in a speedrun

[broken creek]

And for high end rivals gameplay it ruins scripting since it force phases him if you try to clear adds

Old grudge just kinda sucks

Gigaros, life tax, unseen, dissent are all goated tho

[craggy totem]

I have heard about the Gorgon Amulet in Fields speedrun thing but idgi tbh

Half the time she shows up on the second reward of a tiny 2-reward map and saves zero time

[jolly hound]

You can go find the map tree thing and collect all the other random crap on the map with a frozen timer

With it and fig leaf, you can effectively skip a whole frame of fields

[brave gate]

How good is Medea's special curse, "Harm for the Afflicted"? I have no idea how to judge it

Seems like it would be best with blitz

[craggy totem]

Oh, wow, +5 max HP from the ashes in the corner. what a huge reward that's totally worth giving up FW

[brave gate]

Or wounds

[cunning laurel]

it stinks but idr why

[craggy totem]

IIRC it's on a global cooldown

Also possibly only applies once per enemy

[brave gate]

Well I know the cooldown part. I jsut how no idea of telling how much damage I'm getting from it overall

Like should I take the lose 50% armor one over it? Or the random damage between 1-999 one?

[jolly hound]

it’s more for the skipped encounter than anything. by fields you should have your build set up since in Tartarus you just go numberdoors no side rooms (including hades unless it’s at the end)

[craggy totem]

It's a maximum of 50 damage every 1s. Corrosion on Sight is way more value than that.

[jolly hound]

so losing fates whim isn’t as big a deal as you think (this is exclusively in speedrun context)

[brave gate]

It's such an odd boon. Idk why they didnt make it more simple

[jolly hound]

tbh I only take Medea if I have one pylon left and 55 seconds or less on the timer

[craggy totem]

Does it even pause timer from the start of encounter? I only tried it once or twice but I could swear I vaguely remember her not even pausing timer until she spawned

[jolly hound]

correct

[craggy totem]

How is that a skipped encounter then 😩

[jolly hound]

it’s like count to five then she shows up

[craggy totem]

Am I just super dumb and I don't know the secret tech

[jolly hound]

it’s not like the Olympus Athena where she waits til the end of the encounter and steals the win

No, you’re not dumb, speedrunning is literally every second counts and Athena may save you 10-15 seconds

[cunning laurel]

she skips like half the encounter yea

[craggy totem]

IC, so even though it doesn't pause at the start, it still reduces the time spent

[jolly hound]

Correct

if you’re running a mana light aspect such as Medea skull, then her stubborn defiance is pretty damn useful, an extra life for your antler vs chronos

[craggy totem]

Oh, right, yeah, I forgot they all on the antler thing 😆

[jolly hound]

and all of Tartarus

[cunning laurel]

cmoon join the antler club

[jolly hound]

yepppp antler requires near perfect execution but will allow for a 30 second chronos fight if you really apply yourself

Of course on frenzy 2

[craggy totem]

Yeah naw bro I'm too clumsy, I'm out here walking into map geometry and eating damage like cookies

nomnomnonm

[broken creek]

"Perfect execution" as if dds, lovers, gale, snow queen, armor, hermes dont exist 🥀

Like twin you can get hit like 10 times minimum

[craggy totem]

Perhaps it would be more accurate and thematically appropriate for me to say that I eat damage like pomegranate pips

Other than Persephone herself, who's out there eating a pomegranate and stopping at ten pips?

Sidenote: Persephone potential greatest wielder of the White Antler in history, possibly?

[cunning laurel]

do you mean because clown car makes you immune

[brave gate]

Does increasing attack speed on Hel decrease the time between bullets, the time between the bursts, or both?

[jolly hound]

Bullets. Omega speed up is a different boon

[brave gate]

No I'm not talking about the Omega speed. I'm talking about the time between each individual bullet vs the time between the 3 round bursts

[cunning laurel]

definitely speeds up both

[brave gate]

Welp I just learned that Typhon can, in fact, use his chin slam in the child phase

[solar pollen]

is drunken stupor even worth getting? i’ve already used it before and ig its ok but im meaning in the long run, just wanting some second opinions lmao

[brave gate]

Woahhhhh, Poseidon attack on Anubis looks so pretty

[solar pollen]

child phase is a crazy term LOL

[brave gate]

Which one is that

Is it the hangover one

[cunning laurel]

one of his better boons for sure

[solar pollen]

it’s from dionysus. “omega moves inflict hangover the first time they strike foes”

[red fox]

Pretty meh

It does something

At least don't sabotage your run

[solar pollen]

but that’s what gets me tho. the only one strike on undamaged foes

[brave gate]

I don't like it because it barely does anything against Typhon

[cunning laurel]

i think its not undamaged, its first time an omega hits them

[solar pollen]

that’s what i meant sorry

[cunning laurel]

yea its underwhelming but doesnt hurt

[craggy totem]

If it's Stupor, Abandon, or Tipsy Shot, you know which one you're getting

[solar pollen]

so technically it’s usable. but i don’t think i’ll use it with active vows

[errant crow]

Could I check out somebody's arcana loadout for a moros build?

[brave gate]

I just did the forbidden play

Taking Hecate keepsake region 3

[cunning laurel]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjMiXQ==

or death

[errant crow]

oh so you run jeweled pom I assume then? I only just unlocked it

I've been a re-roll whore

[cunning laurel]

start jpomming you wont go back

[craggy totem]

You could also dump Huntress for Night to focus on your omega move damage

[errant crow]

i dont think I've ever used the lovers card either

[cunning laurel]

thats crazy its probably second best

[errant crow]

well yeah I only just hit the credits, tons of stuff I haven't done yet

do you ever take the queen?

[craggy totem]

With FW, you generally do not take Queen

[cunning laurel]

no its impossible to activate and isnt even helpful

[errant crow]

FW?

[craggy totem]

It's not impossible to activate, it's just... really suboptimal to activate it

[tranquil wren]

fates whim

[craggy totem]

Conditions required by jpom and its ilk. Read it carefully as it is precise and literal.

[errant crow]

oh, I knew you couldn't have re-rolls but didnt know it was called fates whim

[craggy totem]

It's in the tooltip

[errant crow]

yeah I just read ity

[final saddle]

I hate Prometheus's #$%^%$ bird

[errant crow]

bruh I just awnt moros to give me the fkn aspect words already

[errant crow]

yeah I was thinking about that -- hadn't used night much just beacuse of card setups but this seems like it would be good

[brave gate]

Wait does beating ||Zagreus|| not give you a free item in mid-shops?

[errant crow]

and so I unlocked all the umbral flames aspects and leveled moros up to 5 -- i'm talking to moros and nothing happens even when he doesn't have new dialogue, not sure what else I have to do

[brave gate]

Nothing. The game prioritizes story dialogue, so that's probably what you're getting when talking to him

[errant crow]

alright, last few times didn't feel like story dialogue but I'll just suicide to hec real quick

[errant crow]

so when you're running jeweled pom -- that's just the only keepsake you run the entire night, right?

[red fox]

No

[errant crow]

or you just can't do any specific olympian keepsakes

[red fox]

Jpom effect persist even when you change it later region as long as fw isn't broken

[errant crow]

ahhh okay -- so just like, don't put a cloud bangle on in the second region for instance

[red fox]

Just don't take olympian summoning keepsake

Unless you really need it

Your boon won't lose level

Just new boon won't come with extra level anymore if you break it

[errant crow]

ohhhh

[red fox]

You also lose the hades boon you get from start

[errant crow]

so you could theoretically get everything that you would want with levels and then do a olympian-boon keepsake, and just accept that you won't get new levels from there but you'd at least get the olympian you wanted?

[red fox]

Yes

Although it won't be very useful as you still don't have reroll

[errant crow]

right right -- yeah just doing a moros run right now with jpom for the first time and didn't have a special yet and was trying to think about what other keepsakes you'd be running

[red fox]

But sometimes it could save your run

[errant crow]

although I suppose it wouldn't be the worst thing to just treat this like a throwaway run anyway to be leveling jpom up

does gorgon amulet break fw?

I assume it does

[still mantle]

Is there any faster way to get shadow?

Or do i just have to grin and bear it to get supay

[crude dragon]

Do Underworld runs and check every Well

[still mantle]

What

[crude dragon]

Wait, Shadow is the thing you gotta cook, you just have to bite the bullet

[still mantle]

NOO

[crude dragon]

Confused Shadow and Darkness

[still mantle]

6 WHOLE ASS SHADOW

This is gonna take a while....

[crude dragon]

You could strategically use stuff like fishing lures to skip enough time so you're getting 2 cooked per run

[still mantle]

True, true

[errant crow]

@crude dragon are there keepsakes you find yourself taking after starting with jpom on multiple aspects?

[crude dragon]

I haven't rolled credits yet, gamer

[errant crow]

oh mb

[still mantle]

Is nergal worth leveling up?

Is it good?

[craggy totem]

It's crap at low level

If you want to use it, it needs the levels

[small valley]

nergal is really good

level that thing expeditiously

[still mantle]

Ok

Time to farm some nightmares

...Right after I get the ending

[still mantle]

Another win in the books

Hazard boom my beloved

[brave gate]

Some prophecies reward it I think

[nova oar]

Not hazard boom 😔

[still mantle]

What's wrong

all i see is FREE DAMAGE

[brave gate]

She hates fun and whimsy 🙄

[nova oar]

It's so bad

[nova oar]

Correct

[still mantle]

Not that hard to just avoid the blasts

And enjoy the FREE DAMAGE

[brave gate]

Hazard Boom is really funny on Circe

[nova oar]

It takes 4 seconds to do minimal damage, and is big area denial which is very detrimental when positioning is so important

[still mantle]

Well im on like 16 fear, so 600 isn't "minimal damage"

[brave gate]

What does fear have to do with it? 😭

[still mantle]

Idk

[brave gate]

Damage is damage

[broken creek]

When you take 2x from the explosion

[cunning laurel]

worse stuff is more usable on lower fear

[broken creek]

And cant heal it back

[timid vigil]

Picked hazard boon once, never again

[brave gate]

I meant for the damage you’re dealing to enemies

[timid vigil]

But tbf Icarus has a lot of "meh" buffs

[still mantle]

Just trying to figure out a reason why they would think 600 is minimal

[brave gate]

I like most of Icarus’ boons

[broken creek]

60% more enemy hp and 60% more enemies so I need more space and now I cant stand in half the map(its thessaly)

[still mantle]

I dont think I have ever gotten hit by the hazard boom blast

[timid vigil]

Yeah it doesn't help that the Thessaly ships are narrow

[brave gate]

• Ingenious Strike/Flourish are good
• Explosive Intent is good
• Hazard Boom is bad
• The shield ones are fine
• Supply Chain sucks
• Latest Model is good

[broken creek]

I only like the armor ones

[still mantle]

What do you have against supply chain

[timid vigil]

Give me 100 armor is the best one

Actually the ones that give lvl but prime are good too

[broken creek]

The pom ones are useless cuz of jpom, hazard boom is hazard boom, the hammer one is only as good as ur hammers

[red fox]

Strike/flourish good or bad depends on run and value is very low on jpom run

[brave gate]

10 healing and 2 Pom slices every 7 encounters in meaningless

[red fox]

Supply chain just bad

[nova oar]

Especially with scars

[timid vigil]

If you're not using omegas anyway the pom ones are at least better than nothing

[red fox]

Even without scar wtf can 10 heal every 7 encounter do

[brave gate]

Not really. Essentially free 3 levels is always good. Priming 30 isn’t an issue 90% of the time

[brave gate]

Hey that’s 10 onions 🙄

[red fox]

With jpom additional 3 level is like nothing unless it is pos boon

[timid vigil]

I feel like most surface npcs give weaker buffs, exception being maybe athena

[brave gate]

Or Zeus. Or Hephaestus. And again, it’s not like you’re sacrifice much for it

[timid vigil]

Sure underworld has narcissus but it also has echo MY BELOVED

[broken creek]

Wait for circe to hit judgment on 67 fr

[nova oar]

Circe is good

[red fox]

3 god out of 8, and need to hit the one you actually use

[cunning laurel]

yea bnb on circe highest potential

[timid vigil]

I think Circe is the best one yeah

[broken creek]

(She will hit wayward ahd im on scars3)

[red fox]

It miss more than hit

[brave gate]

Even Medea’s best curses feel lame 😭

[brave gate]

But again, 3 levels is always good

[broken creek]

50% armor being gone is goated

[brave gate]

It’s not like 3 levels will hurt you

[red fox]

Good as better than nothing

[timid vigil]

Then again, echo has pom x3 and evade x3 and so much good stuff

[brave gate]

To make up for Arachne and Narcissus

[timid vigil]

Arachne is really good

[red fox]

Armor is good

Skip encounter is good

[timid vigil]

I just had a run where I was able to keep the cast dress with Circe it's so good

[nova oar]

Circe loves removing either timer or menace from my 55f runs

[timid vigil]

Channel speed also good

[brave gate]

I did as well actually

[timid vigil]

Or just big armor value

[brave gate]

#h2-victory-boasting message
@timid vigil

They should make it so if you have Arachne’s keepsake equipped you’re more likely to be offered the crimson dress

[broken creek]

Ive thought about taking it on 67 but then I mess up on hecate and lose it in 1 hit

[timid vigil]

I mean on 67 I would probably take the biggest armor value possible

I was running 14 lol (speedrunning)

[broken creek]

Yeah thats exactly what you do but 100% cast damage on circe is crazy

[brave gate]

Same thing with White Antler. Equipping White Antler should make it more likely Artemis shows up. And before you guys start yapping, not everyone is comfortable using it for region 4

[broken creek]

Artemis lowkey buns tho icl

[brave gate]

Nah

[broken creek]

Emphasis on lowkey

[timid vigil]

Bro hates free rooms and crit boons 🥀

[nova oar]

😒

It's easiest to use on region 4

[red fox]

Summon Artemis in region 4 while having 30% crit? Sign me in

[nova oar]

Peak

[broken creek]

Mfw I get support fire, omega stuff, and smth else thats useless for circe

[nova oar]

You could get 3 tartarus room skips

[brave gate]

I meant it would only work in Erebus, Oceanus, and Thessaly

[timid vigil]

Oh but I feel like it's a pretty good chance of getting something at least decent

[cunning laurel]

cmon easy shot has circe synergy right!!

[timid vigil]

Its not like Artemis boons are Dio boons

They can't break your build

[nova oar]

No

[broken creek]

Anytime I get cast crit or the spec crit prime its goated

[nova oar]

Me omw to take worry free and antler

[brave gate]

There’s only 2-3 Artemis boons that are kind of lame

[red fox]

Well it help against rival prom then you don't need worry about remaining hp in typhoon with wantler, synergy

[timid vigil]

Even if your best option is support fire, she at least stopped the timer and idk maybe that 10 dmg will do something

[brave gate]

It’s fun with Air Quality

[nova oar]

As long as I have hitch and a good build I can comfortably do rivals prom with 200 health

[broken creek]

Same when icarus is on screen, at least he paused the timer at the expense of hoards1000

[brave gate]

I just really wish there were a way to increase the odds of Artemis so you could try making a build around one of her boons

[cunning laurel]

nah i cant excuse icarus

[small valley]

just dont get hit

[timid vigil]

yeah no Icarus is trolling

[still mantle]

Wait..
If you purge bridal glow, does it de-rarify your boon?

[red fox]

No

Free gold

[brave gate]

Erm actually, you lose its element, don’t have it as a requirement for legendary/duos, and it’s less levels you get from King’s Ransom 🤓☝️

[timid vigil]

me when I have to find 500 waves of turrets and dracons while bro misses all his bombs so he can give me 2 random poms and like 10 HP every 7 encounters or something

[cunning laurel]

and a cast that hurts you

[brave gate]

Didn’t his bombs hurt you at the start of EA or am I imagining that

I swear there was some helper whose attacks hurt you

[timid vigil]

I had rapid trasher once and got the rank 2 upgrade from Icarus, it went from 50% to 60%...

like bro are you fr with me

[timid vigil]

If they did I don't remember

[red fox]

Everytime I see icarus i only wish he give armor boon

[brave gate]

I don’t remember what it was but I had something go from 40% to 70% I think

The hammer upgrades for the Morrigan Blades exclusive hammers actually go hard

[still mantle]

I need a good morrigan build

[craggy totem]

Heracles and Nemesis can both stun you with their attacks. You don't take damage though.

[brave gate]

So like, we all know the Wiki is outdated. But are there any people working on updating it or making a new one?

[brave gate]

Hephaestus special and then get his legendary. Zeus or Hestia on attack

[broken creek]

Final slice Apollo is funny

[still mantle]

I unlocked morrigan, passed out, and suddenly morrigans at level 5 and all my nightmare is gone

[brave gate]

Or Hera on attack. Hitch is good for the blood triad damage

But you can get Hera on sprint

[still mantle]

So I better get some good runs out of this thing

[broken creek]

Blood triad isnt affected by anything btw, the hitch is just hitch so its good

[brave gate]

I know. I’m just saying it’s good to spread the big number

[still mantle]

Not even mutual destruction?

[median plinth]

if you haven't done anything to cause a save, I think in hades 1 you could undo night and get that back. Not sure about hades 2

[craggy totem]

(*anything other than things specific to Blood Triad)
(**god, getting Heph legendary on Morrigan seems like the dream)

[brave gate]

The only ways to increase Blood Triad damage are 2 of the Morrigan exclusive hammers and Hephaestus’ legendary boon

[still mantle]

Nope upgrading stuff saves

[median plinth]

that said, morrigan is probably the most fun dagger

big numbers are fun

[still mantle]

What does heph legendary do

[craggy totem]

Makes your aspect level 6, basically

"But there's only five levels"
yes

[cunning laurel]

its like level 8

[brave gate]

It upgrades your weapon. And the boost from level 5 to level 6 is much larger than the normal amount

[craggy totem]

Yeah, that's a fair way of describing the jump

[still mantle]

Oh that one

What's the thing that upgrades your keepsakes for the run?

[craggy totem]

Cherished Heirloom

[brave gate]

For example, each level of Morrigan Blades adds 111 damage to the Blood Triad. However, brining it to level 6 with Hephaestus legendary makes it 999 damage

[craggy totem]

CH also has a bigger jump between the "bonus" level and the ones that came before, similarly to Premium Service

[red fox]

50% wantler

70% fang

[brave gate]

The only reason it’s not 1,110 is because it isn’t a trio lol

[craggy totem]

And the Fang upgrade refreshes it :)

[broken creek]

Then I get the hammer that ups triad and now it is that

[red fox]

4 use fig leaf tho

[craggy totem]

RIP about the Fig Leaf one not actually working

[brave gate]

Wait I just realized that Heph legendary would go crazy on Nergal

Also, I just checked and neither of the Nergal exclusive hammers can be upgraded 😭

[still mantle]

So I want a heph attack and special, a hera dash, poseidon cast, and i dunno, hestia gain?

Make it a dong build

[brave gate]

Don’t get both Heph attack and special. One or the other. Preferably special

The gain boon isn’t too important because you aren’t using much magic. Get anyone besides Zeus and Demeter

Or Hephaestus

[still mantle]

Yeah that's why I was thinking hestia or maybe aphro

[brave gate]

Demeter is useful on attack, special, or cast

[brave gate]

Hestia is also good on attack so that works

[still mantle]

But the 1.6 second dong build...

[brave gate]

Since the Morrigan Blades attacks and specials have multi hit, Zeus and Hestia are really good

[brave gate]

You can still have that. Just with special

[still mantle]

Poseidon crying in corner

[brave gate]

His attack works too. Just not as good. But take his cast, dash, or gain to get his duo with Heph

[still mantle]

Poseidon gain kinda sucks here

[brave gate]

No???

This is one of the best use cases for it lol

Especially since you’ll inevitably get the duo with Heph

[still mantle]

Doesn't it only restore the magic you used?

Or am I trippin

[broken creek]

Its infinite mana while its active

[still mantle]

Ah

[broken creek]

Then a small cooldown

[still mantle]

Perhaps I...... judged you too harshly

Flood gain

[brave gate]

Cooldown is only about 5 seconds with the duo boon

[still mantle]

Less if you get higher rarity

But of course everybody hates excellence around here so...

[brave gate]

No, rarity effects how long flood gain lasts

Not the cooldown

[broken creek]

I mean it does suck

[brave gate]

5 grasp for the chance of higher rarity is bad

And Divinity is way better because it’s free and easy to activate

[still mantle]

I usually use both

[brave gate]

5 grasp is a lot

[errant crow]

when I take gold gold gold from echo, does it let you buy like a centaur heart and then take a boon for free?

or is it like equal or lower cost or something

oh nevermind I figured out what it does im way off lmao

reading comprehension etc

[brave gate]

You get a free copy of the same item

[errant crow]

oh and if I get howling soul or something I hate from ||hades keepsake||, do I just need to take a god's boon keepsake to break it?

[still mantle]

HOW DARE YOU SLANDER HOWLING SOUL

[errant crow]

it's fkn with my charon run

[still mantle]

isnt it..... good for charon?

just aim

[errant crow]

no lke I'm aiming it directly at bosses and it's flying around the map elsewher3e

I don't really understand why

[still mantle]

it shouldnt be

what are you playing on

[errant crow]

I mean I can clip it, it's happening nonstop

kbm

[still mantle]

well then i dont know

It's never given me any problems

[errant crow]

sometimes I'm watching it just weave around the target I have my cursor directly on and curve into a wall

[crude dragon]

No, it isn't. Ranged casts are really poor synergy with Charon

[errant crow]

ranged casts also mess with local climate

[crude dragon]

Because it means you can't do Giga Cleaver or Exceptional Talent tech

[errant crow]

yeah I didn't get either 🙁

alright I've exhausted all of moros's non-story dialogue and have the 3 umbral flames aspects and moros leveled up all the way, still won't give me aspect -- am I doing it in wrong place or something?

[still mantle]

you can't?

[still mantle]

HAH

that thing just showed up randomly for me

[crude dragon]

Well yeah, because the travel time means you don't get the multiple explosions from the second or third lines

[still mantle]

hmmm

[errant crow]

bro I've been suiciding at hecate just to try to talk to moros sooner, and he won't give it to me

[still mantle]

HAH

[crude dragon]

If you have Giga or Exceptional, you can mash the Cast to get off multiple OCasts off a single OSpecial

[still mantle]

oh and btw you only need 1 leveled up all the way the others just need to be unlocked

[errant crow]

yeah I know, i only leveled moros up

[crude dragon]

Do you have any other hidden aspects unlocked? Moros can't be the first, IIRC

[errant crow]

yeah I have anubis

[still mantle]

Your wording is poor

[errant crow]

and have the 3 umbral flames aspects and moros leveled up all the way... uhhh you okay?

[still mantle]

good news for me, giga cleaver NEVER FKN SHOWS UP

[errant crow]

if I say I have the 3 umbral flames aspects, why would I separately mention moros leveled up all the way if it was all of them?

[still mantle]

"have the three umbral flames aspects and moros leveled up all the way"

[errant crow]

specifying moros in particular means moros only lmao

[still mantle]

I don't know, figured that was just random

[errant crow]

weird

[still mantle]

welp, almost ready to kill chronos and get the ending

finally did dissolution of time

[red fox]

Supay was my first

[still mantle]

i unlocked it like third and yet still havent used it because i need the 6 stupid shadow

i have every other hidden aspect

rip chat

[nova oar]

You can make shadow

[still mantle]

I know

Thats the painful part

It just takes an annoying amount of time

I suppose I could purposefully lose after 12 encounters...

[brave gate]

Could just win the run

Or do Chaos Trials

[jolly hound]

trick knives reaper knives Hera special was so fun damn

[calm sorrel]

Morrigan is such a fun aspect

It’s really good at keeping you using your whole kit

[nova oar]

He says while having heph on attack and special with 2s cooldowns

[calm sorrel]

I usually use hera on the attack, the omega attack is really good at spreading hitch when it doesn’t obliterate everything lol

I had ares on my special last time, I’m finally starting to see the sauce with him

It takes a lot of investment to make him good tho

[nova oar]

He's pretty strong with jpom but otherwise there is almost always a better option

[calm sorrel]

I had G blow and mutual destruction with suc rate, it was a lotta damage

[nova oar]

He's still my favourite god

[calm sorrel]

Charon ax is my favorite weapon lmao

Get that thing going and just make the entire room explode

[hardy panther]

does charon work w night arcana

[real scarab]

yea but idt anybody uses it like that

let me do a omega attack to get 15% crit chance on my omega special

waste of time really

[hardy panther]

oh right cast doesnt work