h2-discussion

[nova oar]

Total eclipse is a 4 second cooldown and has a base of 1000 damage with no drawbacks, and it's still bad

[grave kernel]

finally Icarus decided to unlock the rest of the affinity chart

[spare orchid]

Yea hazard boom will eventually force you to get hit because theres only so much screen real estate in certain situations

[nova oar]

And also cause it takes so long anything inside it will ve dead and gone before it even activates, unless it's typhon

[honest tulip]

I hate fear 32 because what do you mean I'm about to enter Scylla 2 with 0 death defiances and 1 hp?

[craggy totem]

Just norivals% your 32F /taps nose

[honest tulip]

I died before Scylla finished announcing the name of the song

[nova oar]

I'm assuming rivals?

[craggy totem]

I assumed that's what "Scylla 2" meant

[honest tulip]

I got hit by a charybdis poky

Now I'm just imagining scylla like

Wait... what? did she just?

Scylla looks at Charybdis then back at the spot where Mel just got one shot

"Oh well guess we're going on with the show!"

[nova oar]

At least rivals 2 is normal for 32

[honest tulip]

How is it even possible to get to 32 with no rivals 😭

[craggy totem]

Glad you asked!

[craggy totem]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwyLDYsMCwzLDIsMiwwLDIsMiwzLDYsMCwyLDIsMF0%3D

;D

[honest tulip]

I cannot time

I tried time 2 and ran out at Hecate 😭

I was at:

[nova oar]

😭

[honest tulip]

Grit 3
Frenzy 1
Hordes 2
Menace 2
Return 2
Fangs 2
Scars 1
Shadow
Time 1
Hubris 2
Rivals 3

[nova oar]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsNSwyLDEsMCwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

This is the 32 I recommend to everyone

[nova oar]

Grit and hordes, no wonder you timed out

[honest tulip]

I got flayed by a pack of fish in oceanus

[craggy totem]

If you use my setup, you will not time out ;D

[nova oar]

Horriffic

[honest tulip]

Which Weapon do yall recomend btw? cause I am using Momus which feels consistent but not mindblowing or anything

[craggy totem]

If you like staves, just go with the normal Mel staff, or Circe

[craggy totem]

*horrific

[nova oar]

Any staff aspect but momus, mel or hidden blades, moros, charon/hidden, medea or Mel skull, nyx, mel, or hidden coat

[nova oar]

Damn i had it right the first time

[honest tulip]

what's wrong with Momus 😭

[craggy totem]

Nothing's wrong with it, it's just the others are stronger

[nova oar]

There's nothing wrong with it, the rest are just bonkers

[craggy totem]

It's also harder to take advantage of Momus' gimmick at higher fears

[honest tulip]

I fought Typon once with Momus

and also had placeable moonbeam

I literally unleashed like 4 repeating spells on him

[craggy totem]

Also, Luthien has a grudge against Selene coat, but Selene coat is perfectly cromulent at 32F if you like it ;P

[nova oar]

GRRRR I HATE SELENE

AND HEXES

[honest tulip]

MOON BEAM

[nova oar]

I reckon hidden staff would still be better for that fight

[honest tulip]

||Anubi?||

[nova oar]

Ye

[honest tulip]

I haven't unloked

[nova oar]

I figured

[honest tulip]

I need to make the dog cry again

I'm 1 short

[nova oar]

Go beat his ass

[honest tulip]

I haven't got past Scylla yet!

(in fear 32 of course)

[craggy totem]

It'll be easier if you use my no-Rivals 32F setup ;DD

[honest tulip]

Ok since you're both so insistent on time 3 let me try and find an average

[craggy totem]

sdfhjkhsdfghj wait no in seriousness don't average them, they're probably tuned to fairly different things

[nova oar]

Timer 3, frenzy 2, no grit or hordes

[craggy totem]

Yeah definitely yoink out the grit/hordes but the rest is up to you

[honest tulip]

Ok how about

Frenzy 2
Meanace 2
Fangs 2
Debt 1
Shadow
Time 3
Hubris 2
Denial
Rivals 2 (Cerberus is scary)

[nova oar]

That's good

Cerberus is alot easier than scylla tho so if you can beat her he's not much of a step up

[craggy totem]

IME Hecate and Scylla eat more time than doggo

[honest tulip]

Oh also my companion is Tula (cause she death defies and also fishy)

[craggy totem]

That is why I simply picked them up with both hands and threw them into the garbage bin

[honest tulip]

So should I rank up Circe to Rank V is it worth it?

[broken creek]

Toula isn't that great

[craggy totem]

(sorry ily not!mom and not!gf but fighting your rivals versions makes me sad)

[nova oar]

Toula is buns I hate toula

[craggy totem]

Take Gale if you're having trouble staying alive

[broken creek]

Especially on circe you want raki/gale

[nova oar]

Circe needs raki or gale yeah

[honest tulip]

Tell that to ||Zagreus|| who had to deal with me running in circles around him for 12 minutes while Tula picked him down his first life

[broken creek]

Toulas dd is wayyy less hp than Gales blocks

[nova oar]

You're joking right

[craggy totem]

And the dodge, and being able to run faster (esp against Frenzy 2 enemies) -- they're less flashy than the block but still useful

[honest tulip]

I had 1 boon at the time and it was Demeter sprint 💀

[nova oar]

What's your arcana

[broken creek]

Don't take zag, hes a waste of time

[honest tulip]

Well excuse me but I didn't read what I was signing

Anyway Arcana is:

II
IV
V
VII
VIII
X
XII
XIII
XVI
XVII
XIX
XX
XXI
XXII
XIV

:3

[nova oar]

Just use crossroads please

I'm not decoding this

[craggy totem]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck

Make sure to hit "Generate URL" before copy pasting

[honest tulip]

I have the bottom left 4 Bottom right 3 minus hades
Top right 3 minus Hecate
hermes centaur
And the second collumn is full

[nova oar]

Don't use excellence

[honest tulip]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImM0IiwiYzUiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzEwIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE2IiwiYzE3IiwiYzE5IiwiYzIwIiwiYzIxIiwiYzIyIiwiYzI0Il0=

[nova oar]

You went around all the good arcana 😭

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[honest tulip]

Well it's not like I'm gonna swap Death for Strength 😭

[nova oar]

This is way better

[broken creek]

Wtf twin 😭

[nova oar]

Not what i'm talking about, death is fine

[broken creek]

No lovers or orig is crazy

And no furies, you have no damage wtf

[nova oar]

Or furies

[craggy totem]

Death in the context of also having literally no other damage ups does kinda hurt

[nova oar]

With hordes and grit

[honest tulip]

I was kinda relying on boones for that

[craggy totem]

Naw the arcana are a huge source of power

[honest tulip]

Does anyone ever run Judgment?

[craggy totem]

In two circumstances.

[nova oar]

Memes, and 65f

[craggy totem]

1. gamblers doing it for kicks and giggles
2. high Fear runners who are down to the second-highest level of the vow that takes away your arcana

or uh what you said lmao

[nova oar]

Boons can't give you 100% global damage

[broken creek]

No wonder youre struggling twin

[nova oar]

You can double your damage before even starting a run

[craggy totem]

Ok TBF Orig does need you to get the boons in, if you're counting Orig in that

[nova oar]

Good point

[honest tulip]

oh yeah that's an expensive one

[nova oar]

Just use the setup I gave you

[craggy totem]

Expensive but worthwhile

[honest tulip]

you know I still base my boon choice based on what feels good in the moment

[nova oar]

Don't we all

[craggy totem]

So do I, but if you have a strong arcana setup in the first place, you can get away with a lot

[honest tulip]

I think one of the best things that ever happened was Zeus Air and Demeter Sprint / blizzard

and all the wind was dealing 50 instead of 4 damage

that was crazy

One time I got Last Gasp on a run where I death defied 9 times

I used more lives than Tula

[nova oar]

Yeah it's a solid build

[honest tulip]

I think my favorite combo is when I get the Dadelus hamer that makes all my attacks cost 5 magic to double hit

and then I get Hestia's recovery

and spam my hex

[craggy totem]

That's a staff-specific hammer

[honest tulip]

ye

[craggy totem]

(Well, I suppose all hammers are weapon-specific. But there are some hammers that have equivalents across weapons, like Shimmering Rockets vs Shimmering Moonshot, and I don't think Mirrored Thrasher has an equivalent... unless something slipped my mind)

[honest tulip]

So should I level up the Circie Staff?

[craggy totem]

Circe staff is pretty usable out of the gate without extra levels, but if you have spare nightmare, sure

[honest tulip]

I got 17 fear

cause I hoard resources

[craggy totem]

17 Nightmare, you mean? Just dunk them in then, no need to hoard

[honest tulip]

ye but what if I need them on another weapon 😭 <- fears of the deranged

[craggy totem]

Just keep doing testaments and keep playing the game, you'll naturally get more than you need

This isn't Hades 1, there's a lot of ways to get the resource

[honest tulip]

I have not upgraded any daggers or any torches or skulls or rocket backpack

and only upgraded Momus and Charon so far

[still mantle]

PROMETHEUS AT 10:47

MEDEA SKULL IS OP

[honest tulip]

Oh hey I survived Hecate on 1 hp with 1 minute left

I feel like Gale stays too close for me to take advantage of the double cast but oh well. Hepheastus cast

with added demeter on the side

[honest tulip]

I used it once and It's so weird 😭

I mean I won but I didn't really know what I was doing and it was like 1 fear

[craggy totem]

The Gale Circe strat is to double the amount of cast you're putting on a single enemy or single cluster of enemies, as opposed to the Raki Circe strat of increasing your area of effect instead

[honest tulip]

wait does it actually double damage

[craggy totem]

(though it switches up if you get a ranged cast boon)

[craggy totem]

For most of the cast boons, yes. It doesn't double Poseidon or... Ares I wanna say?

[still mantle]

DAMMIT I DIED TO TYPHON

SHOULDNT HAVE TAKEN TOUGH GAIN

[broken creek]

Yuh

[honest tulip]

noooo I have to fish for myself now 😭

[honest tulip]

I got Zeus cast now so Gale is basically my close cast and Zeus can go wherever I want now

I DIED TO SCYLLA ON HER FINAL PHASE

That's it I'm taking away her sponsor

debt and 2 scars

[jolly hound]

it's a rhythm game and it's totally different than other skulls, having it feel strange is normal. i needed to remap my controls to get okay with it. for best results, possessed array

[tribal wharf]

Hm, how do you guys deal with VoR Eris's Hellfire when you lack range?

[craggy totem]

/cups ear
Do you hear that? I think it's the distance strains of "norivals%"

[nova oar]

You can dash iframe it with the right timing but i've found every aspect can deal with them fine

[midnight moss]

Took me watching this vid to realize my failure of reading comprehension, that I could've gotten stronger boons with Persephone Aspect. I just kept thinking it was just something about Sprouted. 🤦‍♂️ https://youtu.be/T3INqV3s9EI?t=30

[calm flicker]

I must say, I really enjoy the teleport sound file. Very awesome-sounding.

[midnight moss]

How did 22Luke get Leaf to proc twice? https://youtu.be/T3INqV3s9EI?t=335 + https://youtu.be/T3INqV3s9EI?t=427

[nova oar]

That's old leaf

[honest tulip]

FEAKING HADES

I MEAN CHORONS

[nova oar]

😭

[honest tulip]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I DIDN'T EVEN SEE HE STARTED HIS RED ATTACK BEACUSE EVERYTHING WAS YELLOW

[nova oar]

😭

[nova oar]

At least you made it to chronos

[still mantle]

Pan poseidon might be favorite build so far

[honest tulip]

and I didn't even freaking get Air Quality

[still mantle]

One reason to use death defiances

[honest tulip]

I lost my only one left in the previous phase

[nova oar]

Shame cause this is the bad version of pan

Back in the day pan was the best aspect

I miss it

[honest tulip]

Bruh I just used 2 death defiances on Hecate

[brave lily]

Trying to pay attention to dialogue, but apollo is singing his heart out in the background 💔

[honest tulip]

And I lost my last DD to Scylla

Man this sucks

[jolly hound]

Maybe echo will refill them, if you have the Athena keepsake take it and that’ll give you two shots at a reload

[honest tulip]

She wants to give me Pom Pom Pom Fight Fight Fight

or a pile of ashes

I JUST DIED TO A BOULDER

[brave lily]

Oh my god dude

[honest tulip]

I was in the darkness field of a giant plant lady

and the boulder just got me off the edge

[crude dragon]

Now imagine for a minute that it didn't have godawful startup and recovery

[jolly hound]

try again

[honest tulip]

why does selene keep giving me moonwater 😭😭😭😭😭

I LITERALLY USED A DEATH DEFIANCE

AND hecate died before the death defiance animation was over 😭😭😭😭

[stoic urchin]

[rough lintel]

I have 580 magick and 611 hp

I can prolly kill typhon with just divine vegenence

[honest tulip]

GGAHH FINALLY DID IT

last death defiance

[rough lintel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1462317983861969031/IMG_3690.jpg?ex=696dc13f&is=696c6fbf&hm=6c83dbc0308753ed652884a79db79c1bcd9e27c6cf23d808fb7da40ec2af3638&

0 dd needed

[honest tulip]

You had 611 Heath 😭

[rough lintel]

Shoulda took white antler for the lols

[rough lintel]

Ye the constellations lined up for massive hp build

[honest tulip]

I only had 283 max hp

[rough lintel]

Missing the water hp boon

[honest tulip]

Isn't that percent based

[rough lintel]

No flat scaling

[honest tulip]

Ah

Would have been insane if it were for that hto

[rough lintel]

Yep

[jolly hound]

it’s 15 health per water boon

[rough lintel]

Another 7*15 = 105 hp

That would be massive

717 hp

Mogging typhon LOL

[honest tulip]

I saw a vid of a guy who got 100% dodge

it was so funny he literally did not have to move

[rough lintel]

i once got 70% dodge before

Brought white antler

Trippled my dps

[honest tulip]

#h2-victory-boasting message Anyway this is what I had

Guess it's time to 24 the surface 😭

I removed Rivals
Removed one stack of time
one stack of debt
and both scars

alright time to do the exact same thing on the surface

[brave lily]

I just watched Arachne make the fumble of the century.. I’ve been staring at the screen the past 10 minutes

[honest tulip]

Bruh like 7 Giant things with masive AOEs just spawned and they had darkness

I just took like 100 health and a death defiance in 5 seconds

Once again Eris leaving me at 16 hp with 0 death defiance

just lost an entire healthbar in 2 seconds in olympus 🫠

[viral creek]

Strength is calling 👍

[broken glen]

strength 🤑

[honest tulip]

I FREAKING RAN OUT OF TIME AT TYPHONE

[broken glen]

strength is knocking at your doorstep

[honest tulip]

I don't think I was ever full health on that run since the start

[honest tulip]

I died to Erid

[viral creek]

Strength will save you

[honest tulip]

I had it

and I died To ERIS

[viral creek]

"once again eris leaving me at 16 hp with 0 death defiance" not much of a difference

[honest tulip]

Difference Is I survived that time

[viral creek]

try again 👍

[honest tulip]

it's past midnight

[thorny olive]

anyone know if i should clear the surface or the underworld first?

[honest tulip]

just flip flop

[cunning laurel]

yea wherever you need resources from

[unborn bison]

[astral bough]

yo is 12 minutes for a run with thanatos scythe quick?

[nova oar]

No

[limpid oar]

Yeah, I've never had a faster Than run

[cunning laurel]

negative move speed on skull is so damn slippery

[grave kernel]

Did at least 1 run with every aspect, Anubis, Shiva and Nergal being aspects that didn't quite click with me

[nova oar]

Shiva my beloved

[rugged mortar]

I kinda job to ||Zagreus|| when I don't have adequate dps

[honest fiber]

I've been doing runs for hours, and I can't get my last affinity with Narcicus huh
It's the last thing I'm missing in the Underworld

[glacial light]

Just say your takes are bad my fellow Aussie

[onyx token]

Will there be an update for the game or not?

[tranquil wren]

for what?

[onyx token]

Because I love the game so much and I'd like it to last longer 🙂

[tranquil wren]

they're probably focusing on taking a break and then working on their next game

the game is finished, there's no more content to add

[onyx token]

Oh, okay.

[cursive nacelle]

unlikely supergiant havent really done additional content post-launch before

but hades 2 was their first sequel so who knows

[nova oar]

They've confirmed no more content

[onyx token]

I hope very much

[fresh wind]

What keepsakes do you use?

[astral bough]

uhhh

[fresh wind]

Im down to like 8:45 with scythe now

[astral bough]

is there a way to check

cause i forgot

[fresh wind]

Not sure, I meant like what's your normal strategy for fast clears

[astral bough]

i dont even focus on beating the game fast tbh i just focus on builds (that sure make the game faster) but i have never done a run which i focused on speedruning

and my best time is 10:15 on kirke

[astral bough]

it was very random - zag, ares, echo, narcis

or whatever hes called in english

but it was a legendary from ares build

[fresh wind]

Gotcha was just curious bc thanatos speedruns are the main thing ive been doing

Jpom > fig leaf > athena/chrolex/concave/silken depending on run > antler, aiming for aphrodite or apollo on attack boon, making sure to get a good cast + making sure special can curse

[hollow crest]

hi my ninjas

how do i even play with Pom? i need to use the last arcana card which give you 5 cards each boss kill

i guess Pom would be the best for it??..

do i switch it out after the first area? or what would be the order

is chrolex worth it? what about zag card

[cursive nacelle]

you dont have to run judgement with pom its still good you just dont use the reroll cards

chrolex is good.

Generally i would start with Jpom since its benefits are always useful. I like going zag card 2nd to get a guaranteed heroic lvl 4 boon. But some like going chrolex personal preference

[hollow crest]

ohhh so chrolex lets me sell UNCLAIMED rewards? i thought it's like a purging shop, ok it's actually not as bad

so Jpom stays active the entire run??

[nova oar]

Yes

[cursive nacelle]

as long as you dont use rerolls or olympian keepsakes

[hollow crest]

thats crazy, ok. but isn't it too bad that i can't reroll? i feel like rerolls win my runs

[broken creek]

Jpom is a free +4 on everything, what you get wont matter

[hollow crest]

i see now, ok. also, am curious about Chaos portals. do i take them every single time? or is it gamba and not worth it

[broken creek]

Depends what youre doing

[hollow crest]

never went above 16 heat

[broken creek]

If we talk high fear(62+) its almost an auto take especially with chrolex, and i only say almost because a region1 take is risky but necessary if timer gets low, anything less and do whatever you want lol

Its a free 500 gold from chrolex zero risk especially if scars isnt on

[hollow crest]

i havent even attempted rivals 3 yet. idk, i get scared of it

[fresh wind]

When I was still just trying to beat the game/fear climbing id just try not to take one right before a boss

[hollow crest]

well im 330hrs in, i wouldn't say i'm a complete beginner

[full wing]

did the vow of scars get changed so that even life you gain is reduced?

I distinctly remember maximum health increases not being afflicted by that in Hades 1

[nova oar]

No?

[gusty maple]

It doesn't change max hp gain afaik

[glacial light]

Nothing touches max hp except chaos iirc

[tulip vessel]

Hi?

[nova oar]

Yes?

[full wing]

Sooo uhm.

If you have no common boons does aromatic phial not...do anything when you use a fountain?

[tulip vessel]

You love h2 story or its worser than h1?

[jolly hound]

Most of the time I go jpom into Chrolex, but in the scenario where I have heph in the god pool and do not have an attack or special boon going into the second zone, I’ll go calling card because then I’ll have a heroic heph (2/3 seconds for attack/special at level 4) and ngl it’s real hard to lose in that scenario

[jolly hound]

I’ll usually take them and feed it to Chrolex, and if it’s first zone I’ll take it if the alternative rewards are bad. If chaos will make me lose the run in Erebus after that I’ll just reset

[nova oar]

Worse than h1

[still mantle]

Join strength crew

[split shuttle]

nah

if they're learning the fight or if theyre trying to push fear it's dds 100%

[fathom lake]

Gameplay its much better
Art its better (to me)
Story its quite divisive but its agreed its slightly worse than the first

[cunning laurel]

it still increases regen but it wont use the rarify charge

[jolly hound]

Ngl plot wise this one feels like Ancient Greek Rick and Morty

[fathom lake]

Fear its a lot easier than Heat too

[fathom lake]

huh?

[long forum]

Chaos at higher fear post like the first couple locations feels like a death sentence sometimes

Im either just gonna take a boon that isnt that great over the one id want that has too high a drawback

Or i just feed it to chrolex lol

[jolly hound]

yeah but if it’s like, the first few rooms and I get something that’ll just screw me over, restarting the run isn’t a huge deal

[tulip vessel]

Is Chaos in your opinion cut or uncut?

[jolly hound]

i have no idea

[tulip vessel]

In your opinion if they uncut they should make circumcision?

[tribal wharf]

???

[fresh wind]

Are you lost 😭

[long forum]

Does chaos even really need to do anything

He has his old form in his hands lol

Cant he just like think of his appearance and change it

(This is unrelated to the cut and uncut thing)

[cunning laurel]

if so, why choose to look malnourished

[long forum]

Does chaos sound like a healthy well nourished entity

Genuinely wondering tho about the redesign was there a lore reason i skipped

I never played h1 so i didnt even know it was a redesign till later

[cunning laurel]

oh i read chronos lol

[split shuttle]

isnt the appearance of chaos based on what the person thinks chaos looks like

thats the reason why h1 chaos and h2 chaos look so wildly different

zag and mel view chaos differently

[fathom lake]

Thats the greatest explanation i have ever heard

But i think chaos its everchanging
Zag simply saw a different chaos than Mel

[tulip vessel]

But more yes or not?

[fathom lake]

:|

It uhhh doesnt
You know

Have

[jolly hound]

I don’t think you’re gonna get what you’re hoping for with this topic here tbh

gotta find darker corners of the internet

[nimble rivet]

I AM SO BAD

[fathom lake]

Thats not the point
Chaos probably just did mitosis

[nimble rivet]

omg omg omg ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[split shuttle]

dw me too

[long forum]

We dont know that

[fathom lake]

i too am bad (at 32+ fear)

[long forum]

(Also its crazy how people can say this stuff but we cant swear)

[split shuttle]

(bad at 65+ fear)

[fathom lake]

Its chaos.
I think we know it only looks human so Zag and Mel can comprehend it

[long forum]

Whats considered good wr% wise

[split shuttle]

wdym

[nimble rivet]

Too many people asking what is Chaos

[split shuttle]

like time wise?

[nimble rivet]

Not enough people asking why is Chaos

[long forum]

Im like 25% ish on completing clears at 32f

[nimble rivet]

"incomprehensible bloody thing" yeah sure buddy like that's possible

[long forum]

I unironically consider that decent cuz half my runs end at the rivals poly😭

[fathom lake]

The fact that i managed to clear 32 fear talks about how much i loved the game

[nimble rivet]

"Just don't walk into the poison, bro"

[fathom lake]

I couldnt get over 10 in haded 1

[split shuttle]

so whats with the question if ur talking about 32f

[nimble rivet]

I've done, like, 3 32 fear runs now

[split shuttle]

32 fear is like free fear to me

[long forum]

What clear rate do you need to consider yourself good lol

[nimble rivet]

Same

[long forum]

At that fear

[fathom lake]

Any%

[nimble rivet]

I am wiping everything by just breathing on it

[long forum]

Cuz im good at 16 f but at 32 im just struggling LMAO

[split shuttle]

50 fear is also free fear to me

[broken creek]

i mean honest opinion anything 62 and below is kinda free for me atp

assuming i know the weapon enough

[split shuttle]

exactly

[fathom lake]

67 fear its free fear for boated

[nimble rivet]

It's just Eris and Sirens that send me back honestly

Everything else is easy asl for me on 32f

[fathom lake]

Prometheus and Sirens*

[nimble rivet]

Prom is easy for me

[fathom lake]

Hades 3 when

[nimble rivet]

Died so many times to Prometheus that I have genuinely gained foresight

[jolly hound]

hecate has more high fear wins over me than chronos does lol

[nimble rivet]

Now he can't hit me, straight up

[long forum]

Is 62 fear actually pretty doable or are yall just a little

[jolly hound]

get a crap erebus and that timer is like nah you lose

[broken creek]

its a lot easier than youd expect

[split shuttle]

bro i literally did three 62f runs today all on different aspects

[long forum]

On the spectrum (i can say it)

[fathom lake]

Nah thats nemesis

[broken creek]

i can do 62s on circe like its nothing

(i am a circe one trick btw)

[nimble rivet]

62f, to me, theoretically, seems easy

[fathom lake]

In theory*

[merry whale]

62f is difficult but nowhere near as bull as hades 1

[split shuttle]

exactly

[jolly hound]

i had a shutout win over nem in setting my PR of 45 fear lol

[broken creek]

tbf i only have ~200 hours in the game and have almost done 67f so uhhhhhh yeah sounds about right

[split shuttle]

at least approval process doesnt exist here in h2

[broken creek]

as long as you have the arcana its an ez game

[jolly hound]

vow of denial is a pain in the ass tho

[split shuttle]

game would deadass be 10x harder if approval process was in the game

[broken creek]

nah denial is a joke, forfeit pisses me off

[nimble rivet]

Hades 1 was just
"Lord Hades, Zagreus has been spotted in this general direction."
"Good. Remove that general direction."

[split shuttle]

its ez to work around

[fathom lake]

Hades 2 Fear its actually fun
Hades 1 was just hell (badapumtsssss)

[jolly hound]

nah gimme hordes 3, id rather have an intact economy

[split shuttle]

bro denial in some cases is literally beneficial

[nimble rivet]

Void is the worst defo

[jolly hound]

and have to kill more stuff with a full kit (like i took hordes before debt too cause im crazy)

[split shuttle]

gives u more chances to get a certain boon that u want

[nimble rivet]

I am so dependent on Perseverance and Strength it's not even funny

[fathom lake]

Though The 3 postgame keepsakes are straight up unfair lmfao

[nimble rivet]

Mmhmm

[broken creek]

wait until you dont have the actual good arcana

[fathom lake]

Just play judgement/hj

[nimble rivet]

Jpom + Persephone = Matrim Cauthon Gaming

[fathom lake]

YYyyeeesssss
Its so fun

[nimble rivet]

I just had a Jmom run where the thought process was just:
"Dude, you don't need this, pick the other boon"
"Yeah..... But it would be funny."

I had

[fathom lake]

Lvl 9 boon? sorry my brain aint braininh gotta have that

[merry whale]

ya as fun as they are i don't like how insane jpom alone has crucified high fear meta

[nimble rivet]

A HEROIC DIVINE VENGEANCE, with max 13 times lightning, Success Rate, and Unseen Ire. This does not include the lvl 10 anvil ring which did 250 damage per clang.

Blitz attack with wide grin

And lightning lance

[split shuttle]

wide grin once again being goated

[fathom lake]

Waiting for 67 surface
Fates Whim inactive

[split shuttle]

no fates whim 67f gonna be legendary

[broken creek]

no rerolls 🗣️

[fathom lake]

Been there
Fates whim its such a great idea

[split shuttle]

foolish already did underworld 67f no fates whim back in early access

[nimble rivet]

Enemy attacks me and I just go

SHUT UP NERD
ラッスオフズース
(Wrath of Zeus)

[broken creek]

just get the r1 pig into judgment hit trust

[fathom lake]

Lets go Gambliinnnggg

[split shuttle]

its not possible for figurine to hit judgment

[nimble rivet]

Lame

[fathom lake]

Male

[split shuttle]

it is possible but youd need to have cards activated which means 67f figurine judgment hit is impossible

on the other hand, red citrine divination from circe can activate judgment even if u have no arcana cards activated

but thats for surface

[nimble rivet]

I can guarantee you that Supergiant Games has never made a decision with the thought of "but it would be funny"

[fathom lake]

Except for Fates Whim

Lets give the players the most op keepsakes
Buuuuttttt
They cant control the run anymore

[nimble rivet]

Fates' Whim is not funnh

[fathom lake]

Yeah my bad
Its the funniest

[long forum]

i like fates whim

[nimble rivet]

SG read Wheel of Time and thought "damn mat cauthon is kinda tuff imagine if he got to gamble in hades 2
GASP
I HAVE AN IDEA"

[long forum]

give me the random experience

unless Im starting off with a hex on a non magick build

THEN DONT GIVE ME THE RUN

the only other thing i hate is the ranged cast that hades gives from his boons

i dont mind ranged casts but i like when you place them not shooting straight out

[nimble rivet]

Howling Soul is goated bro wym

I love it when my cast misses my target and gets plastered on a wall

I live for that. I'm crazy about it

[broken creek]

howling soul is cool and all until it takes a hard left into nothing when the enemy was 2 inches in front of it

[long forum]

again i dont mind the ones where it's aiming on a circle

it shooting straight out of you is annoying

[jolly hound]

disagree, everyone talking crap about Poseidon, chaos in the first game has a take their keepsake to the hades fight cause it’ll be amusing, plenty of stuff for the lulz

[nimble rivet]

It appears I just didn't have enough imagination

[fathom lake]

Howling Soul its peak when it gets stuck on bosses

[jolly hound]

that is actually a fair point. It throws me off so badly that I pretty much instantly reset

[long forum]

i like ranged casts on some weapons,

but id rather just get a boon that gives me one lol

pretty easy esp too when zeus and hestia fit the weapons i would want ranged cast on anyways (torches skull and coat)

i kinda want it on charon sometimes but its whatever

[fathom lake]

I love it When The pom
Gives Me Howling soul on circe
wiiiii :|

[long forum]

oh so you're playing a weaker mel staff at that point

cuz you're not getting that double cast damage

[split shuttle]

what its good

[fathom lake]

No.

Raki Circe staff for the win

[fresh wind]

I really like starting with Howling Soul

[split shuttle]

u are talking to a person who beat 62f circe with howling soul

its the goat

[broken creek]

im a certified howling soul hater

[split shuttle]

raki circe goat tho true

[broken creek]

lowkenuinley worse than cinerary icl

[fresh wind]

Picking it in act 4 when your muscle memory isnt set up for it is what gives it a bad rep imo

[timid vigil]

I don't mind howling much but I will never pick lightning lance

[split shuttle]

exactly

lance aiming on controller is so ass

[timid vigil]

FR

[split shuttle]

unless u have eternity but whos using eternity in big 2026 (only charon and morrigan accepted)

[fathom lake]

Lightning Lance its cool
Same for Hestias Lightining lance

[craggy totem]

Put some respect on Glowing Coal

Hestia came first lah

[timid vigil]

Honestly glowing coal is not as bad as lance

[split shuttle]

exactly

[nimble rivet]

Glowing Coal can combo with hestia ares duo boon

It's situational

But in its situation, it cooks

[craggy totem]

It can also activate Scalding Vapor, but nobody cares about Scalding Vapor

RIP wave unc

[nimble rivet]

Rip Surfer unc only used for haha

[craggy totem]

Look, as a coat stan,

[fathom lake]

Scalding vapor its nice i guess

[craggy totem]

Ah, I just meant attack/special by that

Although I am also a huge proponent for both Flood Gain and High Surf as well, and obviously Slippery Slope is always a great boon to get if you're running waves

[merry whale]

scalding vapor is a nice passive dps increase

also cuz froth is garbage for dps even if u have juiced up slip slope

still not crazy powerful anyway but nice to have

[craggy totem]

TBH at least 70% of my "yay, Slippery Slope" is just because I probably need it for Orig

[fathom lake]

Froth its so cool

But tis annoying

To fish for Sucess rate

[merry whale]

ye slip slop is just an orig or legendary key lol

[tribal wharf]

Got my first wins with Sister Blades but was kinda not feeling them as much as I went on but now I've tried Aspect of Morrigan and it slaps holy crap

(After some upgrades)

[jolly hound]

same, but sometimes ya just need origination

[sick fractal]

Finally beat Hades 2. Thank you to the creators for giving Hades fans such a beautiful ending. Can’t wait to see more of the game and what other projects supergiant has in store.

[brave gate]

Didn’t play for a few days because I’ve been addicted to Final Fantasy Tactics Ivalice Chronicles.

Hopped on for one run yesterday and won. 24f surface Nergal

Probably could’ve done 32 fear. I don’t think the inclusion of Debt 1, Shadows, Menace 2, and Hubris 2 would have changed much

[jolly hound]

you are probably correct

just plan ahead if you have zeus and static shock is on your wishlist, that's what screws me with hubris 2

[brave gate]

Yeah and I’ve beaten 32f surface before multiple times.

[vital hollow]

If I sell Heavy Metal at a pool of purging, but still have all of the armor it gave me, does it take away that armor?

[brave gate]

No

You just lose the damage bonus from it

[vital hollow]

So I could take it again to get even more armor?

[brave gate]

You can't get a boon again after selling it

You could get Trusty Shield for more armor tho

[vital hollow]

Alright then, I managed to get the Crimson Dress past Hecate, so I was trying to get the most armor possible

[brave gate]

Arachne keepsake?

[vital hollow]

Yeah, I'll put that on in either the field or Tarturus, I'm taking Heph's keepsake into Oceanus for his other armor boons

[brave gate]

If you already have heph in the pool, it's much better to take arachne keepsake now

[calm flicker]

And Strength's passive resist doesn't interact with .

[brave gate]

Also, remember that it gives you some mroe armor out of the gate

[calm flicker]

-# I wish there was an emoji for Hades 2's armor icon.

[brave gate]

Are you sure?

[calm flicker]

That's what I'm told. I can't observe is myself, but I feel like that's the case.

Might as well equip Strength anyway for the passive +20% DMG.

Hasten fights that much quicker to ensure you keep the .

[vital hollow]

Hmm, I guess I should skip on the Heph keepsake then, especially since I started with J-pom

[craggy totem]

Yes, this was one of the nerfs that occurred to it over the course of development, alas. @crude dragon can probably say more lmao

[brave gate]

Man I am just not getting offered core boons in Ephyra

[crude dragon]

Yes

That was a nerf made during the Olympic Update, IIRC

I don't think armor interacts with any sources of damage reduction, not just Strength

[honest tulip]

welp trying Suface 24 with strength again let's see if I can get past Eris

[fresh wind]

So is buying python scales completely pointless if you have a bunch of armor that youre not likely to lose in the next few encounters

[honest tulip]

Wow Circie just negated a vow I didn't know she could do that

I FREAKING HATE STRENGTH

I DIED TO A RANDOM ENEMY IN OLYMPUS

[cursive nacelle]

Python scales in general arent very good.

[fresh wind]

Thanks but not the question I asked

[storm glen]

yra

[elder vapor]

Does jewelled pom work for the whole run after or just the floor

[elfin heron]

Whole run until you break Fates Whim.

[elder vapor]

No way

What’s ur favourite keepsake or what do u start a run with

[elfin heron]

Post-Game I use the Pom, Calling Card, Fig Leaf, and Blackened Fleece. Before that I run Apollo unless I'm on Skull. I'm not great, but I can get to the fates in under 50 nights like that.

[broken creek]

High fear i tend to use jpom -> chrolex -> e.hammer/gonion -> antler

[honest tulip]

I have 320 hp 40 shield Strength tarot and my gust lightning casts are powered by air quality if I die to typhon now I'm going to scream

[elfin heron]

Are they ever gonna add a Hell Mode?

[broken creek]

Atp I dont think so

[honest tulip]

GHAHSDHh I GOT himn

[broken creek]

Especially since that would imply a 68f max which would be kinda stinky for fear runners that are trying 67 or have done 67 since youd have to make a whole new file

[honest tulip]

Ngl my cast was doing so much damage he got off 1 attack before going into clouds and summoning babies

It was only his last phase that was remotely worrying

[broken creek]

Average typhon fight

[honest tulip]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[broken creek]

Posiedon attack and special 😭

[honest tulip]

Yeah.... I kinda ran out of options for attack and special 💀

Denial be like....

[broken creek]

You had aphro and zeus in the seed 🥀

[honest tulip]

Yeah!

and I needed zeus for his Cast

[elfin heron]

I would rather lose my invulnerability after getting hit than run fear over 32 tbh. They should add Hell Mode.

[broken creek]

Yeah ik you can luck out to denial attack and special but thats pretty rare

[honest tulip]

as you can see. My entire strategy was planting my cast and running in circles

Demeter dealing 4 damage every .25 seconds

Is OP when you get airquality

[broken creek]

Ig that works yeah, blitz would've been crazy though

[honest tulip]

Who needs poms?!?

Not I said the fresh air

can't believe the only traditional attack move that scored on the damage list was attack and it was in 4th place

[broken creek]

Tbf you did only have posiedon attack and barely used it apparently

[elfin heron]

Had a run the other day with Prominence flare after getting the casts gusts and the duo for standing in gusts fires more with Meat Grinder and Winners Circle. I had origination, but I didn't even have to use an attack on Typhon when I got to him.

[broken creek]

Normally my circe damage boards look like cast, dash attack, and special top3

[elfin heron]

I had Skull 😭

[honest tulip]

Wow I did really good at dodging this time as well

only ~50 damage from Prometheus??

Eris isn't even on the list!

I guess it helps when I don't actually use a weapon and just drop an AOE and dip

[mental gulch]

yo ive just beaten the underworld on 1 heat and it was my second time EVER beating the underworld and im wondering if i should wait and do some harder underworld runs or try to win on the surface i've gotten to eris before but i've mostly just done surface runs to get the materials should i start going for runs or not???

[honest tulip]

It really doesn't matter which one you do before the other

[crude dragon]

Go where you get the most things you need

[honest tulip]

I think the intention is to make the game less repetative

So if you ever get tired of going down on them you can go up on them

ya know?

[ancient token]

I forget how easy Rivals Eris is when you DONT HAVE 1000 BOON RELATED EFFECTS ON YOUR SCREEN

My Poseidon/Zeus Aspect of Moros build weeps for Eris because I just can't frickin see

[mental gulch]

ok than thanks

[honest tulip]

I see why lovers against bosses is so good

When you can face tank and deal more damage then they can hit you 3 times

I also have Snow Queen, Nitro Boost, and Gale

[old veldt]

what should i prioritize with bronze? skull, aspect or rod?

[honest tulip]

I just hit Skelly with the Anubi

WHAT THE HECK IS HAPPENING 😭

[rough lintel]

pom, card, rolex, knucklebone

[nova oar]

Card 😔

[crude dragon]

I'd unlock aspects, then get the Skull, then get the rod

[errant crow]

if you have two room choices when one of them is the shop right before Chronos and you take the other one, will you still guaranteed get the shop afterwards before the chronos fight?

[broken creek]

Yeah

[nova oar]

Yes

[broken creek]

That shop is a guaranteed room regardless

[errant crow]

okay I thought so thanks

[rough lintel]

what's wrong with card

[nova oar]

I don't like it, it's not very good

[broken creek]

Its niche

It has some strong applications in r3 depending on what you still need, but it suffers from some opportunity cost in r1/2 cuz jpom and chrolex exist

[long forum]

Whats everyones 3rd region keepsake… i know people like the randomized keepsakes (embryo and hammer)

Ive heard some people say athena is good even tho it disables fates whim

But i havent tried

[broken creek]

Gorgon if you are doing speeds or dropped all dds to sirens, e.hammer if you wanna mess around and a certain hammer wont brick you, gonion if scars3 and youre hurt bad, sash can be a take if you need the armor(mostly a 67 idea icl), card can be a take, pin early sometimes

Its super super flexible, i tend to take e.hammer(i play staff) or gonion

[craggy totem]

It's highly situational, I think it's better to be flexible and look at what your run is like so far than to have a set always-take third keepsake

[long forum]

I usually just take random embryo or hex if im running hexes lol

[broken creek]

Silver wheel can be a take if youre behind on mana

[craggy totem]

Some people take droplet third while speeding, don't they

[long forum]

Oh yea ive done that too, cuz of the 6 magick per boon vow

[broken creek]

Ohh yeah some weapons love the charge and fields sucks

[broken creek]

Not even cuz of that imo, more just youre behind on born gain

Hubris is a nothing vow

[craggy totem]

If I took Fig Leaf second, then I might chrolex third if I'm out of gold

[broken creek]

Yeah r3 is just super flexible

Only r1/2/4 have set ideas

[timid vigil]

yeah

for moros its viable

[calm flicker]

I wish we could trade Witch's Delight for Kudos.

And Shadow Extract.

[calm flicker]

Fecund hell, Grape Juice + Anubis is cracked.

[still mantle]

We all agree that coral crown is better than i am gonna claw right?

[nova oar]

Both suck

[formal monolith]

I've gone through almost the entire game just doing my own builds and figuring stuff out. Currently working on lvl20 fear. How on earth am I supposed to use the anubis scepter? I was thinking maybe demeter or zeus?

Also begs the question of how do I summon ghosts in a boss fight

[red fox]

Ignore ghost

They are nice little bonus but not main thing

[nova oar]

Pos or hestia attack are best

[red fox]

On hit boon on attack work well

[nova oar]

Or you can go for apollo or hera on the ospecial and play it like that

[formal monolith]

thanks ill give thoise a shot

[timid vigil]

Zeus works because zeus

[calm flicker]

Really?

I figured to prioritize Poseidon/Hestia's Strike for Anubis.

[red fox]

Zeus work because it is zeus

It work on anything even when it is not the best

[broken creek]

Arc flash is funny too

[calm flicker]

Yeah, but wouldn't it be best as Flourish instead?

[red fox]

You can put on atk then repeatedly trigger it with % ospec

On flourish also fine because it is zeus

And arc flash oatk funny

[timid vigil]

It's Zeus

It works

[calm flicker]

I guess I underestimate how powerful it is when I mostly just apply it to moves with low fire rates a la Moonstone Axe's special.

Or Morrigan's special.

[nova oar]

Why would u ever use morrigan ospecial

[calm flicker]

Right.

[red fox]

I use it when i have too much omega speed and click it longer than 0.2s it turn into omega

Aka accidentally

[calm flicker]

I actually don't. It was about of habit I added in the "".

[tropic ravine]

Guys I’m sorry… I might have to not use Jpom anymore for speedruns

I know right so sad

[errant crow]

just curious on how you experienced guys approach this -- if you were focusing 2 diff gods for their attack and special, and they each showed up in encounter 1 and 2 but both the attack and special were common rarity -- do you still take them, or do you guys generally prefer to wait for better rarity?

[tropic ravine]

Depends on what world

[errant crow]

on surface

[red fox]

I take them

[tropic ravine]

No I meant like second world, first world

[errant crow]

oh

I don't know what that is yet

[red fox]

Rarity is usually not a consideration for me

[nova oar]

rarity is irrelavant to me

[red fox]

Unless it is heph blast

[tropic ravine]

E.g ephyra is first

[errant crow]

ah ok

[nova oar]

outside of heph yeah

[tropic ravine]

I forgot the actual name

[nova oar]

rarity is way way way less important than the right boons

[errant crow]

okay I'm glad to hear that because I was skipping a lot of the ones I wanted because of common rarity

felt bad

[tropic ravine]

Really?

[nova oar]

Rarity is nice to have but overal makes little difference

[calm flicker]

I covet __>__rare boons to a fault.

[tropic ravine]

I feel like if I’m in Erebus or something I can wait if I have a good special

[nova oar]

yeah

[nova oar]

Typically not worth it

[tropic ravine]

hmm good to know

[calm flicker]

Rarity isn't exponential in Hades 2. It was barely exponential in Hades 1. Barring the unpommable boons, it's just "+1 lv".

[nova oar]

Pretty much

[brisk dirge]

God I haven't played this game in weeks

[nova oar]

Finally a sub 6.30 morrigan

[calm flicker]

__>__Rare boons are quite delicious for Hermes' boons, namely Nitro Boost (x barrier uses whilst sprinting per encounter) & Hasty Retreat (+x dodge per boon).

It helps that Hermes boons don't show up in miniboss enounters.

[crude dragon]

The regions, he means

[crude dragon]

+2, more like

[honest tulip]

gonna be honest I have no idea what I'm doing with ||anubis but air quality seems to be working for me so...||

I think air quality might be my best strategy

cause I suck at doing big damage so I just have like 5+ things that do tiny damage that get boosted

[timid vigil]

I love epic success rate

50% is soooo good

[honest tulip]

like all my artimis arrows are doing 50 damage now, my gale from demeter,

[crude dragon]

You want to take splashes or Scorch on the Attack

[honest tulip]

Hey so apparently

Hermes gold before damage

doesn't count as taken damage....

Chronos is not on my most damage suffered 😭

I swear I was dodging like crazy as well

I had +19% dodge from Hermes.... +6% from Gale...

and I think that's it???

[nova oar]

I got a 26 second chronos fight

I've peaked

[honest tulip]

Wow

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/RgvBMdn

[honest tulip]

I cannot comprehend what is happening

[errant crow]

So, I just had a chaos gate appear for the first time on the surface, but had a god mini boss boon room that I kinda wanted to go in -- is going into this chaos gate used for some kind of unlock up here?

[honest tulip]

You didn't even go for the red circle 😭

[craggy totem]

If you have good enough DPS, you can phase or kill him before the instakill hits

(I'm assuming that's what you're 😭ing about)

[craggy totem]

Chaos gates are the same regardless of whether they're on the Surface or in the Underworld. If you don't need what a typical Chaos visit can offer you, feel free to skip

[errant crow]

I do need 1 darkness but, since melenoe even remarked about a chaos gate being up on the surface I thought it might mean I should go in

[honest tulip]

to be far I 😭 over a lot of things

[craggy totem]

She's just being observant :)

[errant crow]

oh sweet

though chaos gates are the only way I can get darkness, right?

trying to get that 30th grasp

[honest tulip]

I just realized with judgment you can get a full 7 activated arcana

on the start

[craggy totem]

Yes.

[errant crow]

why they gotta do me like this

im curious what the darkness drop odds are

[honest tulip]

If you activate lovers, you activate moon for free, then activate lovers, and you get divinity for free

then you can activate another card. completely free

[craggy totem]

Ah, the zero-grasps.

[honest tulip]

they don't want you to know this but the zero-grasps are free

you can take them home

[nova oar]

Yeah I phase skipped

[honest tulip]

I have 4 zero grasps in my house right now

[errant crow]

@craggy totem do you have any idea what the darkness drop odds are?

[nova oar]

Not high

[craggy totem]

No idea, soz. If it's not written in the game somewhere that everyone can see, then I don't know it 😆

[errant crow]

ugh, makes me want to forego getting the boon I need from the other room for the prayer of finding the darkness to unlock the last grasp slot

but that will prob mean I die

[wet berry]

I JUST GOT A 2-3 MINIBOSS-3 FEILDS OF PUNICHMENT ON PB PACE

first time that has ever happend to me and it was sub 5 pace ;-;

[honest tulip]

ok but the high velocety trial of chaos is actually insane 😭

[nova oar]

Which trial?

[honest tulip]

The insane speed one

5 min to clear fields
hermes mercury
sprint

[nova oar]

Oh that one is fine you just gotta be quick

Cerb dies in about 20 seconds

[honest tulip]

I know but it was still stressfull 😭😭

Anyway yeah tula on Circie isn't optimal but that was PEAK familiar gameplay

With gale it just felt like I had a vaugly double cast

With Tula I knew my cast would be spawning on something somewhere. And the leash was actually able to hit a lot of stuff

Of course as long as tula wasn't sleeping

[nova oar]

Raki is best

[honest tulip]

Btw can I only fight Zagreus from Erebus?

[jolly hound]

Nope, he will appear in Oceanus and Thessaly, but he’s only available in midshops

Olympus midshop exists in theory but haven’t seen it in a while

[calm flicker]

I had it in my last run. They're indeed rare.

Don't know what it takes to increase their likelihood in Olympus, if it has spawn weight at all.

[honest tulip]

Ah

So no fields?

[nova oar]

There is a midshop in fields

Just doesn't appear in normal runs

[broken glen]

Midshop is typically incapable of spawning in fields, though it will spawn in the exceptional circumstance that Echo cannot

[broken glen]

I'm guessing it has trouble spawning if the game wants to give you hermes boons & hammers

[still mantle]

Guys how do I make the coat good without the hidden aspect

It just kinda sucks

[nova oar]

Poseidon/Hestia attack

[broken glen]

try Nyx with on hit effects

[nova oar]

Hitch, blitz, wounds special are all good

[still mantle]

Exaust riser?

[nova oar]

Yep

You can make alot work on the aspect but it's tricky if you don't know exactly how to use it

[broken glen]

I'm not a big fan of Mel coat but some others are

[still mantle]

Well, now to farm for nightmares......

[broken glen]

but Selene is just hot garbage

[still mantle]

STOP GIVING ME GRAVE THIRST ON THE COAT GAME

[craggy totem]

Selene is FINE

[craggy totem]

Fates are telling you to learn it ;P

[broken glen]

yeah it's FINE but it's not FUN

[nova oar]

SELENE IS BUNS

[broken glen]

I pick the aspect meant for HEXES and it gives me the SMALLEST STAR CHART possible

[still mantle]

Do you use death defiances or strength?

[craggy totem]

Strength, but I'm not doing high Fear

[still mantle]

Good.

[nova oar]

Strength for low fear, death for scars 3

[broken glen]

selene would always need to have the largest star chart to make me want to use it

like even then it'd just be ok but I'd use it

[red fox]

Random chart on selene coat is pure evil

[craggy totem]

I guess that'll be my goal this time around. Get a faster UW time on Mel than Selene dfhjghghj

[broken glen]

it somehow feels like a dev oversight even though I know it isn't

[craggy totem]

(it was just pure RNG, I'm not saying Selene is actually better than Mel)

[craggy totem]

Honestly idgi either, what's the point of RNGing it when you don't have the opportunity to pick the phase yourself

[broken glen]

and you have to take Ares if you want the godsent (he's FINE on coat but again the cast/rush/sometimes-the-gain are all dead slots)

so you can't really do FW

[craggy totem]

TBH the only Ares thing I actively like on coat is Arterial Spray

[broken glen]

if you're going for an arterial spray build just play Nyx

[red fox]

Tbh that apply to a lot of things on ares

Lot of awesome duo

[calm flicker]

I love Nergal.

[broken glen]

bonk hammer

[calm flicker]

Heard it's pretty heavily countered by Vow of Frenzy, yeah?

[nova oar]

Nah

Not once you get used to it

[calm flicker]

Well, I only play with 12 Fear anyway.

By the way, what the heck does Reminiscing at the Hades statue do?

Is it like New Game+?

[broken glen]

wait do you still have the old ending

[calm flicker]

I already completed affinity with everyone.

[broken glen]

neat

[calm flicker]

So... what does it do?

Is it New Game+?

[broken glen]

basically, a lot of players were unhappy with the ending when the game intially came out, so the devs made a patch update that altered it. If you wish to go back in time to before you've defeated chronos, reminiscing at the alter will let you do so, and experience the new ending. Considering how far you've gotten, though, I might recommend creating a new file if you want to see it

[calm flicker]

Oh, I already watched the better ending from the get-go. I bought this game in December.

[broken glen]

wait then why do you have that am I crazy

gang am I crazy

[long forum]

The statues just in the game is all

[calm flicker]

Or November.

[long forum]

I only started 3 ish weeks ago and im assuming its just easier to just add the statue into the game than differentiate based on save state

[calm flicker]

The point is that I watched the good ending.

[long forum]

Or add the go back in time option**

[craggy totem]

The statue and the NG+ are there for everyone

[long forum]

also spoilers but what does hypnos really do all game lmao

[craggy totem]

It's not just a "for previous players" thing

Snoozy boi

(this does not spoil the ending, since you specifically asked about the rest of the game ;D)

[long forum]

I like… did the thing

Does he ever show up

Again

[broken glen]

Who's going to tell them

[craggy totem]

If you mean the epilogue/post-ending stuff, ||no, he just vamooses and that's it||

[long forum]

I killed hypnos rip

[broken glen]

listen im gonna hold your hand when I say this but ||literally no one unlocked from the ending/epilogue shows up ever again. Achilles? Talked to him once, gone. Hypnos? Woke him up, gone.|| and for epilogue ending spoilers ||fates? New jersey.||

[craggy totem]

Nah, if you include just people from the ending, ||Nyx, Persephone, and Zag all show up. Family, basically.||

[long forum]

Im not mad about like

[broken glen]

||I mean everyone else||

[craggy totem]

||Household of Hades clubmembers only||

😎

[long forum]

Ok well i guess i am but basically im mad that hypnos ||resolution was basically just a lot of ??? That was it||

[broken glen]

||the plot of hades 2 felt like the fall of rome to me, they spread too thin||

[long forum]

it wasnt even funny

[broken glen]

it would've been funny if there wasn't so much buildup

[craggy totem]

I thought it was funny, but that's my sensa yuma for you

[broken glen]

WE HAD TO WAIT ALL THROUGH EARLY ACCESS WITH HIM SNOOZING

||ONLY FOR HIM TO PACK UP AND LEAVE WITHOUT EVEN A THANK YOU||

[long forum]

I didnt really enjoy the dialogue lol but i guess the fact you spent the effort just for it is funny

[crude dragon]

||Hey, he says thank you right at the end
"ThankyouIloveyoubyeeee!"||

[broken glen]

that whole plotline amounted to basically "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

it always works

[trim finch]

is there still a place where we can leave feedback? sorry if this message is in the wrong spot

[nova oar]

Devs are no longer working on the game but you can discuss it here

[craggy totem]

If there's a straight up glitch/tech issue you can try #h2-tech-support if you aren't able to F10 ingame

[trim finch]

okay thanks folks :)!

[crisp comet]

Is Anubis good at all

[crude dragon]

It's a staff, and all 4 staves are excellent

Go for splashes/Scorch on the attack (or Apollo if you want to make a meme build), and a high-damage Special like Hera or Apollo again

[nova oar]

Very good

[nova oar]

Except momus

[crude dragon]

Even Momus is still good, it's just not top 5 material like the other 3

[crisp comet]

I've almost beat the game and have used staffs like 3 times didn't realize it was good, I hear to just use Mel

[crisp comet]

What makes Apollo a meme build

[nova oar]

Big omegas

[red fox]

Big aoe circle that tickle unless you omega

[crude dragon]

Well, Anubis's whole shtick is that the Attack is a rapid-hitting AoE field, like a Cast

Apollo Attack makes the field very big, but you're not doing a ton of damage with it

[calm flicker]

Lovecraft myth into Supergiant's world? Aspect of Nyarlathotep?

[crisp comet]

Ahhh so it looks funny but meh

[crude dragon]

Apollo on the Special is pretty solid since the Special is what you'll be using a lot, and the extra AoE size helps with Anubis Special's secondary effect of pulling in enemies (so you can yoink them into the Attack)

That being said

Hitch

[snow palm]

why is zags fight so underwhemming

[errant crow]

is there a "faster" way to target darkness drops other than just hoping you see a chaos gate and there's one inside?

is there any way to make it more likely etc

[nova oar]

Nope

[nova oar]

Try doing it in erebus with two boons

[crisp comet]

Hitch is just always good

[errant crow]

Like there isn't a better familiar for it or anything?

[nova oar]

It isn't a familiar pickup

[errant crow]

I thought someone had mentioned that it can come from fishing holes

in chaos area

[nova oar]

Nope

[errant crow]

ah okay

and chaos gates are just like infinitely more common in the underworld right?

so if hunting it, just keep going under?

[nova oar]

Yeah, and you can get lights of ixiom in charon wells

[errant crow]

no idea what lights of ixiom are

sound cool though xd

[nova oar]

Item in charon wells that summon a chaos gate

[viral creek]

that is unfortunate it doesnt count as a familiar pickup

[errant crow]

wow I don't think I"ve seen that yet, that or I'm blind which is equally possible

[viral creek]

its not rare but not common, just check a lot of wells

and it only costs like 50 gold so i take it most of the time

[nova oar]

And roll them once or twice

[craggy totem]

It's called Spark of Ixion in H2

The random Well of Charon item thing can also roll it iirc

[tiny remnant]

hopefully this helps somebody out, this involves the aphrodite nectar recipe. I had rolled credits on the game and still didn't get it. Therefore based on a search in here I decided to run the aphrodite chaos trial (trial of heartache) repeatedly. On the third try she gave me the recipe. Not sure that it matters at all, but I had her at 1 heart shy of max relationship, and obviously had a golden apple in my inventory. Very frustrating that you get this recipe this late into the end game.

[craggy totem]

Think you just had bad luck, I got it way earlier

[tiny remnant]

could be, I had the ambrosia recipe way before the nectar one

[honest tulip]

what do you think the weirdest enemy is in hades 2?

I might have to go with the little time stop hourglass thingies

but from Hades 1 its for sure the tiny chariots that exploded and meowed like cats

[broken glen]

The money bags that shoot you with laser beams, perhaps?

[thorn frigate]

i just got the most annoying encounter
the vampire mini boss in the mourning field + Hera and Apolo duo boon
the mini boss becomes virtually unkillable because the resurrected monster has infinite health, and he can just keep draining it

[honest tulip]

oh true true

[errant crow]

the amount of times I tell myself not to take dionysus's placed cast thing ever again and then I take it 2 runs later forgetting that it's not like zeus's or hestia's etc

[honest tulip]

Lol I saw it the first time and was like awesome!

Then saw how slow it was and just slowly withered inside

[red fox]

At least the number big

[tropic ravine]

The assasin guy… in Erebus

[dreamy zinc]

since when could pets bodyblock projectiles, specifically Hecate's hex, when you enter the 3rd phase

[nova oar]

Just frinos

He can block any projectile

[dreamy zinc]

ill take it though, it makes it much easier

[nova oar]

Especially for rivals

[dreamy zinc]

true, i dont do that stuff much though

i dont play consistently enough to be good at it'

[errant crow]

What strikes do you guys like pairing with heaven strike on medea?

[viral creek]

Sworn

[nimble rivet]

The word GOAT should be replaced by FROG with how much of a GOAT Frinos is

[nova oar]

Medea should always be zeus special ares attack

[errant crow]

so if you start with zeus, what are you looking for next when you don't see ares and rerolls dont hit?

[nova oar]

Any %damage, apollo is next best so if you do get ares later you can go for heinous, but hera, and aphro are also good

[errant crow]

yeah I ended up with hera

and I took a poseidon, and now kinda lost since my duos aren't really there

just finished cyclops and wasn't sure where to go with next keepsake

[errant crow]

left my 4th god open but realized that the duo for ares needs to be ares strike or flourish

[nova oar]

Ah

[errant crow]

took poseidon's gain, zeus flourish, hera attack

[nova oar]

Should work well if you get possessed

[errant crow]

yeah I do have

thats why I went poseidon gain thought it might work or at least it did in my head movies

[nova oar]

Yeah it's the next best gain for it after born

[errant crow]

oh damn I should've just taken the hera I had available in the plaza then 🤣

so what would you do as a 4th god now? @nova oar

[nova oar]

Honestly it doesn't really matter, you have origination and the right boons so you can take whatever and it won't make too much difference

[errant crow]

ah okay

how tf do you dodge the red ball frenzy that charybdis shoots out after you've destroyed some of the tentacles

[tropic ravine]

For me I just let it happen

[errant crow]

lmao

[tropic ravine]

Just have enough health

And try to dodge most of it

[errant crow]

I try to be elite gamer and it's just not possible for that move for me

[tropic ravine]

There probably is a proper way but this one works for me lol

[tropic ravine]

Same

[nova oar]

Go all the way to the top left/right, then slowly walk to the other side as they follow you

Wait until the first one almost touches you

[errant crow]

Boosted or Volatile @nova oar

or colossus

[nova oar]

Boosted

[errant crow]

colossus sounded interesting bc I'm an ape at dodging while using this weapon

I imagine it's still good

but I don't really understand how damage is being calculated with this weapon while using special to dash thru enemies to trigger the skulls

[nova oar]

Special damage/effects are applied first, and then attack

[nova oar]

It is, checkmate did a collussus driver 62f and got over 200k damage with aphro special

[errant crow]

I think I'll just take it since I'm not surviving too well and I haven't gotten it for prophecy yet

[nova oar]

Fair enough

[errant crow]

what are your personal most enjoyed aspects to run @nova oar ? completely ignoring efficacy

[nova oar]

Shiva on top, always, and then circe, medea, charon, supay, anubis, nyx, morrigan, most aspects except selene, mel axe, and hel really

I've done 40f all aspects and sub 7 uw+ sub 10 surface so played them all alot

[errant crow]

ah not sure what shiva is

[nova oar]

Hidden coat aspect

[errant crow]

actually not sure what shiva or supay or morrigan is

[nova oar]

Yeah you'll unlock them later

[errant crow]

can cherished heirloom only raise keepsakes that aren't 3 yet?

[timid vigil]

No it can raise keepsakes to level 4

Most of them at least

[sudden eagle]

I'm an absolute fan of Appolo belting out his highest notes in the background while Melinoë is talking to Zeus and Hera.
Is Colin Ryan also the singing voice of Appolo? If someone here knows him please let him know I love him from the bottom of my heart

[tranquil wren]

colin ryan is both apollo's singing and regular voice

[sturdy magnet]

I’m sad that I can’t go to the Palace of Zeus to hear him sing in post ending

[errant crow]

what daa heck, had 1 darkness, found two in the last run and only have 2 now that the runs over

does divinity feel noticeable when it's fully upgraded?

[gusty maple]

More noticeable than unupgraded for sure, but you probably want to max other arcanas first (e.g Origination, Death, Strength, Furies, Persistence...)

[pale gazelle]

run to one far end of the ship and then head straight for the other side

[hard elbow]

when can i access the boon list in hades 2? I wanna see which boons can be duod together etc?

is there even such a thing in game*?

[crude dragon]

Once you've gifted every boon-giving Olympian up to Hera, you'll get an incantation to see the boon list

[hard elbow]

huh. damn i managed to finish the story before that. Thanks for the tip

[tacit sequoia]

How to find entropy

Or get it?

[nova oar]

Need to defeat chronos until the game tells you to go defeat typhon

Should be 7 chronos kills then 5 typhon kills

[tacit sequoia]

Thanks

[astral bough]

yay i just did under 10 mintues run

[final saddle]

I always have such a hard time taking boons

Like, if I’m on aspect of Eos and my gods are Apollo, Hestia, Hera, and Ares, I’m gonna basically only get an attack or special boon by region 3 because I want Hitch or Scorch on special and Apollo attack

[cunning laurel]

very rare to miss both attack and special if 2/4 gods have takeable ones

[final saddle]

It’s like every other run at least lol

I’ve stopped taking god keepsakes bc why bother if I’m still not gonna get the thing I need lol

Better to take something that’ll get guaranteed value, especially when the rest of my build is leaning into the roguelike aspect

[cunning laurel]

well surely if youre using god keepsakes you have rerolls?