h2-discussion

[neon turtle]

Stuck on Arachne’s bond quest. Do I have to equip anything to trigger dialogue? She's been talking about ||Athena and her curse|| for a bit now

[crude dragon]

Are you sure you're talking about Chaos and not Chronos

[coral blaze]

yep im mixing them up

[broken creek]

Most chaos boons and rooms are risk free though tbf, wayward son makes the health cost moot and there generally will always be a boon that has a nothing drawback

[coral blaze]

idk why i thought chronos was chaos in the two games

[crude dragon]

Chaos is skinny, yes, but definitely not power-hungry. They're just curious

[coral blaze]

nah i was mixing up chaos and chronos

[crude dragon]

I believe you now need to get a ||natural Athena spawn||

Good luck

[neon turtle]

Thanks. Does her keepsake change her spawn rate? The wording suggests it doesn't

[crude dragon]

It forces a spawn when you have no DDs

Either in the third room of the first region, or in the first room of all other regions

[formal kindle]

I like Charon, he is cool

[nimble rivet]

omg hades II on kbm is so much easier

[formal kindle]

What is kbm?

[nimble rivet]

keyboard and mouse

[formal kindle]

Oh

I use a controller

[astral tangle]

What do you guys classify as Low/Mid/High fear?

[spare wind]

I haven't been using alot of fear although I have done some runs with 8-12 fear
For low for me are gold , 6 magick prime per boon , Vow of Scar
For mid 25% chance to spawn foes from next region
For high +10% health on foes and the rival for headmistress

That's about all the fear I use rn whenever I need to

[astral tangle]

Alright! Idk why I've been having the impression that low fear is everything under 10-20?

[spare wind]

Keep in mind tho I am not gud at the game + only 50 hours in

[broken creek]

Low id say is 0-24, mid 25-45, then high is anything past that

[astral tangle]

Ah okey! Would you say that the ceiling differs depending on Vow combinations? Surely Frenzy II with Rivals III is a harder combination then if you had slower but more enemies,.with less difficult bosses

[broken creek]

Uhhh id say no, Since some vow combos are just harder than others but the point of the division is to separate quantity rather than quality and dealing with more of the vows at tandem rather than a select few hard ones

Plus if you plan on going higher fear you take the "harder" vows(which in of itself is subjective to a point) to prep for everything else being on top of it

Like for most people I recommend timer3 frenzy2 rivals4 minimum because that vow setup becomes easy once you get used to the changes it makes while stuff like pain3 scars3 and void i say to avoid until you get top end because those changes arent comfort shifts but rather just raw number diffs

[astral tangle]

Maybe it was a dumb question. I don't even know if my question above made any sense😅 But okey. I've been doing some runs between 20-37, and I feel like some combinations are worse. I started my fear journey with basically no Time, but I did stuff like Hoards 3, Grit 3, and so on.

[nova oar]

Hordes 3 and grit 3 is pretty bad

Fast clears are safe clears

[astral tangle]

But then I swapped stuff around and started playing with time 3, Frenzy 2, and sometimes Rivals 2-3. But idk. I feel like Frenzy with Rivals is a pain

[broken creek]

Frenzy + rivals is a comfort difference id say, since you can learn the new speeds and boss attacks but stuff like pain, grit, hoards, scars are just constant issues

[nova oar]

If you can get used to time 3, frenzy 2, and Rivals 3/4, fear becomes a lot easier

[astral tangle]

Right. Yeah I'm on the path of getting cozy with Time and Frenzy, but it's sometimes hard.

[broken creek]

Most fear setups youll get from higher fear players tends to use frenzy, rivals, and timer asap while leaving grit, hoards, pain, and scars until about 45+ just because of how influential number changes are

[nova oar]

Yeah timer frenzy and rivals are harder at the start but they get easier with time

And practice

[broken creek]

More pain means you cant mess up, more grit and hoards means you need to ge stronger faster and be more efficient, rivals and frenzy is just learning and general knowledge over mechanical and luck differences

[astral tangle]

True!

[astral tangle]

Yeah it's a learning curve alright. Tho I can't shake the feeling that some weapons/aspect do way better then others.

I just think it's funny that my "Fate's Whim" runs are and usually feel better, safer, and stronger

[broken creek]

Oh for sure some weapons are stronger

Like mel staff or circe will do loads better than say nergal

Needed no mana, less boons to get active, and being safe will be loads better for high fear

[astral tangle]

Yeah. I've not done a single run with Nergal, but that aspect seems very different from the original "axe"

Or wait maybe I mixed up the names now. Are you talking about the Mace aspect for the axe? I'm ashamed to say that I'm terrible at the original names of the weapons hahah

[broken creek]

Yeah nergal is the mace for axe youre right

[buoyant matrix]

it's not a dumb question no, certain vow combinations are significantly harder than others

"high fear" is just a general term for playing with significantly more fear than what the devs intended for the majority of the playerbase

[hazy parrot]

for me,
timer 3
frenzy 2
shadow
fangs 2
rivals 2 (on surface)
menace 2

are fear that i consider pretty free, or that ive become comfortable enough using that i think of a fun run as like 27 fear. these fear are also what id recommend to people to get used to if they want to push fear. another thing id recommend that i dont personally do is getting used to rivals 3 or 4 like @nova oar said

then ill start to think about putting on forfeit (much more forgiving on surface), denial, hubris

then i start putting on hordes pain scars wards (depending on weapon), maybe even 1 grit

i really dont like to take return but i do recognise that it can be like an easier fear to take than debt or more levels of scars hordes pain grit

i never really want to take debt

and then of course void comes last

[buoyant matrix]

no
void never comes
it's a fake vow

[hazy parrot]

void is only for judgement runs

[broken creek]

Debt is free asf 😭 just use r2 chrolex and money is never a problem

[hazy parrot]

fair dude. honestly i kind of defined my own fear meta before i got used to the new keepsakes so i havent really pushed high fear since theyve been introduced. but yeah chrolex makes debt trivial

[broken creek]

The way I go about it is that frenzy, rivals, timer always stay at max, then just add everything but grit, hoards, pain, scars, void until >45, then I dont do scars3 until 62, then void3 at 65

[spare wind]

I know this is offtopic but what headphones do you guys use?

[broken creek]

Uhhh i use a hyperX cloud2

[nova oar]

Heavies

[broken creek]

I love being able to hear where cerbie is when he moves offscreen

[spare wind]

My earbuds just gave up an hour ago
Been searching some headphones
Razer blackshark V2 x looks good for the price

[nova oar]

Real mfs play the game with no sound

[spare wind]

Real mfs play with sound to hear Moon light guide us ft. Artemis x Melinoe

[nova oar]

I hate the music

[spare wind]

Damn really
Imo the music is amazing

[nova oar]

Yeah I just don't like it

Not my style

[neon barn]

menace is kinda hard on surface btw because the olympus enemies are horrendously hard to manage

[hazy parrot]

yeah maybe it is harder on surface. but idk i just keep it on all the time, so ive gotten used to it

[neon barn]

you might want to reduce fangs by 1 if its too hard which it might be

also like debt is free on surface

[elfin heron]

Tbh a low fear combo can be harder than a higher fear if u combined all the hardest fear

Some modifier is just unfun

[neon barn]

grit3 hordes3 time3 in nutshell

[elfin heron]

Hordes 3 makes everything so unnessecarily hard its not even funny

A room full of elite auto watcher is something

[neon barn]

yeh its hard

[elfin heron]

Its fun if the enemy isnt overly tanky

But too bad the entire surface enemy is a damage sponge

[neon barn]

but like menace2 + fangs2 is torturing my in my surface fear climb rn

[elfin heron]

Frenzy is also annoying

It makes some enemy straight up impossible to react unless you react before they do something

[neon barn]

Like for me frenzy2 is something I never take off anymore, its just something you have to get used to for high fear

after getting 100% achievements I had to replay the game on frenzy2

relearn all fights, bosses, everything

[nova oar]

I never took off frenzy 2 after my first win

[neon barn]

Huh then you planned to play the game at a higher diff right from the getgo?

[nova oar]

Ig yeah

[neon barn]

I only decided to do it after the twitch rivals event

[nova oar]

I mean i did all rivals with frenzy 2 first

[neon barn]

Must've been hard huh

[nova oar]

Nah I did them all first attempt

I can't play the game without it now it's too slow

[neon barn]

Promcles was my biggest roadblock tbh

[elfin heron]

It feels wrong seeing a boss attack in slow motion

[nova oar]

Literally

[tall notch]

I have 5 min 40 left for summit

if i win ill get my first 32 heat

[nova oar]

Easy days

[quick lodge]

if i need help or a question where can i ask it ?

[nova oar]

Here

[nova oar]

What's up?

[quick lodge]

i was trying to post a screen shot but how do i get the last ||relationship unlocked for selene " once you prove you worth with a certine weapon "||

[tall notch]

||Max out her aspect||

[nova oar]

The aspect of selene

[quick lodge]

||i did what do i have to do after||

[tall notch]

By that I mean to ||level it up to the max with nightmare||

[tall notch]

||Just keep talking to her||

||you will get the dialogue eventually, dont stress it|||

[quick lodge]

||oh ok i thought so i just wanted to make sure i wasn't messing something, thank you guys so much ||

[quick lodge]

||one last q do i have to keep having the weapon equiped for that dialouge to pop out or it doesnt matter?||

[nova oar]

Shouldn't matter

[quick lodge]

k k ty ty

[tall notch]

If i remember correctly then no

[tall notch]

:)

4 mins for rivals ||typhon|| lets get it

[nova oar]

Easy wins

[tall notch]

literally free right?

[nova oar]

Mhm

[quick lodge]

litterly just unlocked i was just being paranoid xD

[nova oar]

[tall notch]

@nova oar I got it!

With all DDs too

[nova oar]

Hell yeah

[abstract depot]

40f surface

[tall notch]

Literally free

[fast vortex]

i just checked the stats shade, my top 3 weapons by times used are

Aspect of Charon - 526
Moonstone Axe - 31
Witch's Staff - 7

my charon numbers are kinda inflated cuz of rng resetting before i realized the incantation to do that without dying but its not by a lot

[nova oar]

[fast vortex]

are most ppl like one trick ponies orr

[nova oar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hades2/s/ADDJrRfBTB

[fast vortex]

danm

how super giant intended i suppose

how do you develop the muscle memory to run all of those

[nova oar]

Uhhhh

[fast vortex]

i guess 40f on surface isen't soo high

but still yk

[nova oar]

Yeah I mean 40f is pretty easy

[fast vortex]

yeah but its like everything

[nova oar]

I've just done loads of runs on each weapon, most aspects play very similar

Hidden aspects I learnt way back

[fast vortex]

rly

though I like literally have not tried a single one 😭

do you learn the good boons beforehand of just wing it

[nova oar]

Blades is all just trick knives, staff is just dash strike special + a gimmick, torches is ospecial and oattack, axe is omega spam, except for Mel, skull is special and attack spam, coat is just special and attack spam

[nova oar]

I wing it

Whim almost every run, I just know what the best boons are

[fast vortex]

hmm

maybe i'll try something idk it'll wait until I clear 62f

[nova oar]

The more you play the more you realise it isn't about the aspect half the time

[fast vortex]

yeah i know

except for charon

[nova oar]

Charon is one of the weirdest aspects lowk

The only one that doesn't work with zeus

[slim pike]

Charon is the blitz

[fast vortex]

I tried a couple runs with morrigan a bit ago and couldent be bothered to re learn the playstyle and which gods to pick

[fast vortex]

yeah

it uses posioden and apollo too which are like two of the most mid gods outside of it too

[nova oar]

Morrigan works with anything

[nova oar]

You take that back rn

Apollo is like a better aphro

[fast vortex]

hey im just saying what I hear from other people

i love apollo

aphro sucks ngl idk why people run it with charon

[nova oar]

Real

[nova oar]

They're wrong

[spare wind]

+30% in cast damage , +50% damage for two curses cards
Athena's damage cast boon
Scotch cast lvl 5 heroic
Demeter's cast gust lvl 3 epic

This cast build was crazy just now lmao

One more ||V-Lens|| then I can do the incantation

[fast vortex]

||Alteration of fate?||

its so worth it it saves so much time on resets

[spare wind]

Wait so does the +30% damage in cast work on cast boons aswell?

[solid kestrel]

I think I might either have the worst luck, or I've somehow managed to glitch it so Chaos never gives me the inital Darkness. I've been searching all over, and the consensus seems to be, when first talking to Chaos after entering a gate, they will give you the item.

I've cleared the credits, and 2 runs through Underworld since, and still have yet to get this dialogue.

[tidal cliff]

It’s universal damage so yes

[hollow crest]

HOW MANY ||AMBROSIAS ||DOES SHE NEED I CANTT

[spare wind]

Oh no wonder you can make cast so broken with the +50% damage with 2 curses

[hollow crest]

||i gave hecate like 3 already, she wants the 4th. for a total of 13 fkin gifts||

[nova oar]

She takes 4

[hollow crest]

how is this a thing.... hades 1 required 1 for each. where tf should i get them from

i don't have that many bones, and i hoarde them

[nova oar]

Yeah every arcana setup has furies and origination on

[nova oar]

You can brew them in the cauldron

[hollow crest]

that's true, but i have to complete like 8243769 chaos trials

i've already done about 10-15

[nova oar]

Just go for 20 and get the achievement

[hollow crest]

yeah im doing all achievements rn

so far it's looking grim

165 hrs in, 22/50 achievements LMAO HOW

20-30hrs were afk but that doesn't change my point

[nova oar]

You gotta target alot of them specifically

[hollow crest]

of course. IVE GOT ZERO GOLDEN APPLES. NONE

[nova oar]

I don't really remember all of them tbh I got 100% a few hours after launch

[hollow crest]

no i started a new save obviously

for the natural progression of it

[nova oar]

Ah ok

[hollow crest]

i was playing back in may 2024 when it launched. 25hrs in i beat the final boss like 5 times and there was nothing else to do

i was waiting 1,5 years for them to add achievements, and they finally did

hence im here

[nova oar]

Fair enough

Most of them are pretty easy, they just take time

[hollow crest]

the only platinum trophies i ever gave up on

were DMC 5 and MGRR. got too bored with the DLVR missions..

Dead Cells too... it took me 220 hours to beat 5BC. unreal

i can't even imagine trying to No Hit the collector

my first ever try of him i got hit ONCE and beat him. if i had that achievement rn - i would've probably gone back for the rest of them

probably the hardest game i've ever played. im a gamer, i never really struggle anywhere, and i do not lack any physical or analytical skills either, but that videogame is so tough

[real scarab]

dead cells gameplay actually not that hard but curse mechanic makes it too punishing

you die in one mistake lol

[hollow crest]

exactly. i've been playing for a while, then JUST AS I started reaching 4-5BC THEY ADDED CURSE UPDATE

curse should not exist whatsoever. it's not a fun, not an engaging, not an interactive gimmick. BESIDES curse chests, because you **choose **to take them

and then you have some random enemies spawn that insta kill you and inflict curse through walls with fast projectiles. fun

i was genuinely tweaking when i kept dying just before TOTK on 5BC

[spare wind]

2 minute 26 second typhon kill this is my fastest in the 4 times I have beaten him

[nova oar]

Peak

[spare wind]

I'd say it again standing under his chin to avoid the tongue is so gooood

[nova oar]

Yessss

[spare wind]

So ||I did the incantation of disintegration of monstrosity , if by chance I die next run will I lose it?||

[nova oar]

No

[spare wind]

Alright then one more surface run it is

[wintry wharf]

More secret Aspect ideas for funsies because why not.
Coronacht: Aspect of Robin
"I see you oppose the false monarch from the heart of the woods."
A very classical, large, wooden brown bow.
Your arrows become embedded to the side of foes depending of the direction you fire. If the next arrows hits the same spot, break through and deal extra damage
Splitting Arrow bonus damage: 50/75/100/125/150%

Lim and Oros: Aspect of Judas.
"I see your betrayal from the eyes of the Eleven."
The Sister Blades becomes a single, long, twisted knife.
Your Omega Attack deals 150% extra backstab damage, and has a chance to instantly end any foe that's not a Guardian from the back. Guardians take double damage instead.
Finishing Backstab odds: 3/6/9/12/15%
Alternate moveset: Slower, stronger single strikes that are now thrusts forward. Omega Attack has Melinoe raise the dagger upwards with both hands and then stab down in front of her without the usual teleporting. Specials throw multiple gold coins directly from your money count for large sums of damage up close.

[spare wind]

54 hours in completed the incantation ||Disintegration of monstrosity and got the entropy aswell ||||The incantation of dissolution of time , time to take a break and get this chronos over with||

So i used to play with deflance past 6 surface runs or so i used strength build which got me 5 wins out of the six , used to strength now but i haven't used it underground yet
If I somehow manage to die in underground because of this would my ||dissolution of time incantation|| reset?

[rich frost]

No, you keep your story incantations regardless of deaths.

[rustic basin]

Oh, yeah, assuming you’re going for UW instead of Surface for the 62 clear, it should be a somewhat smooth process. Otherwise it may be a bit difficult considering the Surface is… well… but I have faith regardless

[dim gorge]

bro i almost died doing 32f surface and you talkin about 62

[rustic basin]

Yeh, I haven’t gone for Surface 62s yet, but I’ve also not really gone out of my way for it since I don’t much like it compared to the Underworld

[broken creek]

Ive done 1 62 surface and a 65 surface, thessaly and Olympus are just not fun

[nimble rivet]

H2 IS SO MUCH EASIER ON KB&M HELLO????

[broken creek]

UW also has much more engaging bosses imo, and like once you get past erebus it stops being stressful compared to surface where Olympus is the bottleneck

[nimble rivet]

but i like olympus

[cunning laurel]

that makes one of us

[rustic basin]

Yeh, I think the stress is so much more room-dependent in UW than Surface’s being just. The whole Region LOL

[broken creek]

Do it at 62f then come back to me 🥀

Like deal with a room full of super fast high damage fangs turret guys that deal like 60 a bullet and theres like 12 of them while theres also 5 harpies making half the arena unusable 😔

Then big + fast spinny guys and now you actually cant stand anywhere

[keen hedge]

Hi guys, returning player here, I'm trying to awaken Hypnos, but I can't find this ingredient called Soot, without spoiling too much,does anyone know where to find it?

[fast vortex]

||you need to complete the true ending then chat with hades ||

[keen hedge]

||I see, thank you||

That's all I wish to know, thanks, and may Moonlight Guide Us All

[fast vortex]

you might need multiple chats im not sure the dialuge priority

but yeah

[abstract depot]

I find surface easier than uw is that insane??

i think ephyra is just cracked for setting up a good build

[timid vigil]

That's true but the enemies are harder in general, with fear it becomes even worse

[abstract depot]

I more often burn DDs in surface rooms so yeah that’s true

[nimble rivet]

i know my limits 😆

[abstract depot]

Elite mini automatons that shoot 3 purple bullets are actual hell cause they spawn in droves so i’m almost guaranteed to lose insane amounts of health trying to deal with them

[broken creek]

Then give them some fangs bs like vacuume and seeking bullets

[abstract depot]

Yeah honestly those are the worst enemies on olympus

I would rather fight PromeCles + Polyphemus

All at the same time, over elite Mini automatons

Honestly think Molten Touch, Corrosion on Sight or a Daedalus Armor damage upgrade is mandatory

[fast vortex]

its easier to set up a good build, but the bosses and enemies are far more punishing than underworld

it gets way harder on high fear when you have to deal with the hordes and pain enemies

[abstract depot]

Rivals Scylla is harder than PromeCles lowkey

[broken creek]

Uw just has harder bosses and its not close

[abstract depot]

Rivals Typhon is honestly underwhelming for surface final boss

[broken creek]

Hecate is a timer killer and can have some nasty setups, scylla is scylla i dont need to explain that, cerb goes from a joke to a mess real quick and its super easy for him to stall, and p3 gramps is the hardest single fight in the game

[abstract depot]

P3 Chronos is harder than P1&2 put together its bonkers

[broken creek]

Meanwhile poly is just a big pushover, Eris just likes to stall, prom is a problem sure, and typhon lowkey free asf

[abstract depot]

Surface bosses need to be harder

Imho

Polyphemus especially

[rustic basin]

Yes but that insanity is exactly what you need for high Fear, so congrats LOL

[buoyant matrix]

nope, we've a few prominent high fear runners that prefer surface

[abstract depot]

Ephyra being the best area helps

Piss easy rooms + control rewards for build better

[rustic basin]

That is true, High E-Fear-a is way more lovable than Erebus

[broken creek]

Yeah its either you struggle cuz erebus gives nothing or just hope what ephyra gives you can beat timer

[abstract depot]

I think even bad ephyra rolls are gonna be better and more consistent than anything erebus gives you

[broken creek]

I almost always take fig r2 on surface just to help timer

[timid vigil]

on high fear?

[broken creek]

Yeah

[timid vigil]

interesting

[broken creek]

Since its so easy for thessaly and olympus to eat any time you got from poly

[timid vigil]

not that i'll ever do high fear surface but its interesting

[abstract depot]

44f is entering high fear

Right?

[broken creek]

My uhhh 65f mel staff had 20 seconds on timer i think lmao, so fig saved me

#h2-victory-boasting message

[timid vigil]

Idk if I'll try going above 50 on surface

[broken creek]

30 my bad lmao

[timid vigil]

Although I think 50 surface for me was easier than uw

But I got an insane highroll with Charon axe first try

[broken creek]

And that run was also carried by origination out of ephyra

[abstract depot]

Origination don’t be broken challenge

Best arcana behind death

[broken creek]

Looking back i had crazy good luck on that run, just rooms were such a pain i was barely able to scrape by, since a run like that would have several minutes to spare in uw

Lemme find my 65f uw actually

[cunning laurel]

id say its in the 50's when you have to turn on actually hard vows

[abstract depot]

Vow of pain will hurt, i get hit so so often

[broken creek]

#h2-victory-boasting message
Yeah 2:30 to spare is so much more fun

And i think I got origination out of scylla??

[timid vigil]

Quick question cause i really have no idea, does gale have an icd for blocking? If so what is it?

[abstract depot]

icd?

[broken creek]

Yeah like 30 seconds iirc

[timid vigil]

Thanks

[abstract depot]

Internal cooldown

I remembered

I turned on hordes again for my 44f run so i can get used to swarms again

PromeCles is an easy fight but i sack so much health into them sometimes

first 44f run got to them and only died due to vow of time

[broken creek]

Hoards is worse than pain icl

[abstract depot]

I get hit so often that pain would be ending my runs far quicker than hordes would, i’m pretty good at dealing with groups fast

Its strange

[nimble rivet]

@broken creek I might take you up on that high Fear offer

i have become so very confident due to me being pretty good at hades II with kb&m

[abstract depot]

Me who plays on the steam deck

[buoyant matrix]

what's the highest you've done

[nimble rivet]

24

[buoyant matrix]

start by doing a few 32s then

if you're planning to go much higher, get used to frenzy2 and time3 both

[broken creek]

Just have better takes than metal is all I ask 🥀

[nimble rivet]

already used to frenzy 2

most of my runs are pretty good time 3 wise

[nimble rivet]

who?

[broken creek]

Get used to rivals4, timer3, frenzy2 at minimum, pick a solid weapon youre comfy with too

[nimble rivet]

already used to rivals 4 and frenzy 2 but not time 3

[broken creek]

A guy in this server with some abhorrent takes and is trying to clear 60f

[nimble rivet]

i see

example of their abhorrent takes?

[broken creek]

Casting isnt their playstyle

[nimble rivet]

and?

[spare wind]

Reached the true ending
||Man this game is genuinely a masterpiece, they gave me everything I wanted to see in the ending truly marvelous ,|| Appreciate Supergiant games for delivering such peak!

[broken creek]

Uhh lemme find their boon teirlist

[spare wind]

56 hours playtime is that average?

[broken creek]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

Some of these takes from them are dubious

[nimble rivet]

Unable to see jack 😭

I'll check it out later

[timid vigil]

Damn I thought warm breeze worked with scars

[broken creek]

Which one is that again

[buoyant matrix]

based based based

[timid vigil]

Hestia Apollo duo

[buoyant matrix]

whenever dodge or daze makes an enemy miss, restore some hp

does not work through scars

[broken creek]

Ohhh yeah makes sense

I dont think ive ever taken that tbf

[buoyant matrix]

it's funny cause apollo's infusion works

[plain shale]

I DID IT I BEAT 32 fear

[plain shale]

First time

[nimble rivet]

HELL YEAH PARDNER

GOOD JOB

[broken creek]

Now you're ready for 62

[plain shale]

I pop off so hard

[nimble rivet]

I think Scars will be the hardest for me because I am so used to there being a source of healing

[broken creek]

There's ways to get around it

Gonion, Apollo infusion, life tax, nergal berserk state, technically pin

[timid vigil]

Yeah and I have it

[broken creek]

Luckily you dont even have to touch scars till like 50

I avoided scars, pain, grit, and hoards til like 45+

[rigid basin]

Hades 2

[broken creek]

And even then theres so much potent healing that scars2 is a bit easy

[nimble rivet]

First use for Gonion ever

[buoyant matrix]

true true, i agree with your statement

[nimble rivet]

True...

[buoyant matrix]

yeah the keepsake was abysmally useless so they made it bypass scars so it at least has a niche use 😂

[broken creek]

What weapon do you plan on taking to 62 actually?? If its eos, circe, mel, or hel i can give firsthand advice 😌

[nimble rivet]

I might write an essay someday on some of my disappointments with the game

[broken creek]

And like kinda medea

[nimble rivet]

But today is not that day for I LOVE THIS GAME UNCONDITIONALLY

[nimble rivet]

Mel staff or blade?

[broken creek]

Staff

[nimble rivet]

Mel staff is so goated

[broken creek]

Im never touching axe, knives, or coat for anything above 45 icl

[nimble rivet]

Aspect of the Morrigan:

[buoyant matrix]

listen this is gonna sound crazy but for mel staff you should take reroll corner with zeus keepsake start

[nimble rivet]

Aspect of Shiva:

[broken creek]

Ive done morrigan at like 40-45

Tried it for 62 and hated it

[nimble rivet]

Flashback to when I got the near perfect build on Mel staff but died to Rivals Sirens

[broken creek]

Yeah reroll corner works great since mel staff is just so strong

But jpom lets just about anything work with it so up to you

[nimble rivet]

How steep is the difficulty curve from 62F to 67F?

[broken creek]

Insane

You go from all your arcana to none

[nimble rivet]

No strength is the worst

[buoyant matrix]

as it turns out, arcana are quite strong

[broken creek]

Origination oh how i miss you 😔

Losing swift runner and messenger is also kinda obnoxious

65f tho you take strength, persistence, judgment

[nimble rivet]

I had to go out of my way to use swift runner and messenger because I didn't really find them useful

[broken creek]

You feel swift runner bad icl when you drop it after using it for so long

[nimble rivet]

I used them while getting used to KB&M

[broken creek]

But yeah mel staff really is just get a good % special, get origination online, get dual moonshot, profit

You dont have to be picky much at all with what you use til like 65 and even then a lot works

[timid vigil]

Fumbled to Chronos again 🥀

[broken creek]

Next time for sure

[timid vigil]

I am getting there more consistently but I'm too lazy to do a save state and practice

[timid vigil]

Scars 1 is free fear

Scars 2 is fine too the problem is scars 3

[broken creek]

true, i just avoid it anyway until 50 so i can just be dumb

since scars2 you still have to think a teeny bit

[rich frost]

Does Local Climate (or any buff to the Omega-Cast) also buff the damage of cast-boons when using Omega?

Or only the damage of the final detonation?

[buoyant matrix]

final detonation

[sturdy magnet]

The first time I confront Prometheus. I made a mistake by priming too much of my magick. Which make it impossible for me to use my omega powers

[spare wind]

Finsihed the game , ||I didn't think I would feel so empty after it😭
Don't got much will to continue rn though maybe to like max everything out I'll play , the goal was so powerful which hooked me to the game now as it's finished it's kind of wierd and as for the three fates I think I might just play to see forth that||

[broken creek]

epilogue has hands down the single best moment in the whole game so id 100% play to fully finish epilogue

[spare wind]

I'll still be playing it but I don't think there would be another day I'll spend 10 hours in one day because I wanted to see the ending lol

I just want a yes or no to this question ||will I ever go to the real house of hades again? Will I meet all the people hades,zagreous etc again? Except when I go back in time to do the ending again ofc||

[broken creek]

uhh no to the first part, yes to the 2nd

[spare wind]

Ow that's unfortunate but alright ig there's alot more still to figure out

[timid vigil]

Is brave face (hera heph duo) even worth it with pain 3?

[broken creek]

idk if brave face is ever worth it period icl

[timid vigil]

fair

[broken creek]

but with pain3 i doubt youll feel a single thing its doing

[timid vigil]

I should pick extended family then

[broken creek]

yuh, 62 made me realize a lot of the duo boons just kinda get bad at that difficulty

you really do only want like 1-2 things from your important gods then youre good

[crude dragon]

I wouldn't touch it if you don't have Tough Gain as well

[timid vigil]

This Chronos guy is a problem

[buoyant matrix]

a lot of boons in general get bad at that difficulty, mostly due to time constraints with hordes3 grit3

[smoky cedar]

Hi, which aspect of the blades is best?

[hearty fog]

The Morrigan.

[crude dragon]

Hidden

With Mel as a distant second

[unkempt zodiac]

I don't think it's good to set people up believing the aspects are super far apart. Pretty much every aspect in the game is very close to one another in terms of strength

And skill level is significantly more important than aspect quality

[merry whale]

i mean the aspects are in fact very far apart

[buoyant matrix]

everything works great but hidden aspect and mel blade tend to be better

[plain shale]

Yes

[unkempt zodiac]

Though I will admit aspect of pan kinda sucks tbh

[broken creek]

Yeah up until 50+ you wont feel weapon issues at all

And barely any of the playerbase will break that fear amount

[peak herald]

should i buy hades2 its on sale but im scared i wont be able to beat it im bad at such games

[devout cairn]

you should also there's a God Mode which ups your defense everytime you die if you struggle with the difficulty

[buoyant matrix]

there's an easy mode that lets you beat the game if you're not confident

[peak herald]

oh ok

[timid vigil]

You will die though, dying is an essential part of the game

But with god mode you'll eventually be able to beat easily

[peak herald]

yea i mean i can play normal first

and see how it goes

https://opencritic.com/game/16683/hades-ii this rating is crazy

[timid vigil]

You'll probably be able to beat it eventually since you get stronger and stronger each death even without god mode, god mode just makes you even stronger

[peak herald]

k im buying

[timid vigil]

Have you played hades 1? Its not needed to play the second but I would say its better when you know about the characters

Also hades 1 is really good

[peak herald]

no

are u implying i should play first one

does it have god mode

[timid vigil]

It's not needed but I would recommend

[timid vigil]

Yes

[peak herald]

fine i buy both

[timid vigil]

But once again you don't need to play it, I just personally think it enhances your experience on hades 2 because there are a lot of connections and references to the first game on the second

[peak herald]

i see

[crude dragon]

Also, it's a lot easier to go from the first game into the second than the second into the first

[peak herald]

i can start with first one seems to be good too

[jolly hound]

Ive died 167 times and still consider myself good at the game

[echo heath]

I second that, H2 builds off H1 so the first game is probably better to get an idea of the gameplay

[peak herald]

https://i.imgur.com/aItr9c6.png

[echo heath]

Besides that, Hades 1 also just has a great feel to it on its own. The original story and gameplay are very, very nice

[peak herald]

hades1 and hades2 has insane high rating on metacritic and opencritic

must be good games

[echo heath]

I feel like everyone here is probably biased somewhat, but yes lol

[jolly hound]

Everyone is hot, that helps

[peak herald]

https://i.imgur.com/pyYYkNV.png i have both ☺️

[hearty fog]

Hades 2: Someone for everyone.

[novel portal]

what is the boon that scales with max health

what god has it

[hearty fog]

Spiritual Affirmation, Aphrodite.

[novel portal]

ok thanks

[hearty fog]

Wait, there's a few boons that scale with max health.

[timid vigil]

Or are you talking about hearty appetite? Deal more damage the more hp you have

[hearty fog]

Aphrodite's boon is a base HP multiplier.

[timid vigil]

If so, that's aphro demeter duo

[hearty fog]

Or Mutual Destruction, Ares's boon that gives you mini-crit chance the more HP you're missing compared to your max?

[novel portal]

i was thinking of heart appetite

i have 571 hp just entered tarturus

but i dont think i'll be able to get any of those

for some reason i thought it was a poseidon boon

[crude dragon]

Hearty Appetite, the Aphro/Dem Duo?

Which is still bugged and not giving the damage it lists on the card, IIRC?

[novel portal]

yeah i thought it was from poseidon

i think i was getting confused with water fitness or something

[timid vigil]

If I sell heavy metal do I lose the armor or just the % bonus

Does anyone know?

[novel portal]

i just got spiritual affirmation, i have 726 max health now

i did not mean to go for a max health run until i got 2 epic max health chaos boons

[smoky cedar]

Is Aspect of Medea good on surfaces? I've watched all those videos with this weapon killing everything, but in practice it doesn't work well for me ;-;

[leaden bronze]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hearty fog]

Medea had the first 67 Surface clear, but it's also got one of the highest skill ceilings in the game.

[cunning laurel]

you wont lose armor no

[crude dragon]

Just the damage bonus

[crude dragon]

Medea is the highest-damage aspect in the game, so it's pretty good. Also extremely aggressive, though

[timid vigil]

Now im confused cause on the speedcord someone told me I would lose the armor I ended up not purging it tho

[quartz walrus]

chronos' one shot can not kill me now

paid dues is broken

[cunning laurel]

i was wrong, just tested it and you do indeed lose it. feels like it shouldnt though

[smoky cedar]

how to unlock aspect of the Morrigan?

[timid vigil]

i see i see

Anyway it worked out cause I won the run

[cunning laurel]

artemis will tell you when you fully upgrade hers or pan

[lime crest]

hey folks

i got an armor upgrade from the spider fella that gives me gold if i still have armor when i leave an area

does that stack with other armor upgrades?

like the one from 40g or the ones from hefestus

[cunning laurel]

yep itll stay active until you have 0 armor

[buoyant matrix]

yes, arachne dresses will stay in effect as long as you have any armor

[lime crest]

damnn thats goated

[buoyant matrix]

you can finish the run with it intact if you stack enough

[lime crest]

i have like 90 hp and 70 armor

sounds like a goated run

[crude dragon]

And have both her and Pan knives unlocked

[elder knot]

what arcana do i need to deactivate if i wanna use the less energy fear things

[crude dragon]

First of all, you don't want to, second of all, it just needs you to get down to whatever your new cap is

[elder knot]

ok thx

also for the aspect of media is buffing either the atk or special the same? what's the difference in how they affect the damage

cause ur loading ur atk into ur special

[timid vigil]

its both but only normal attack and special not omegas

[elder knot]

ok

so if say the atk gets boosted 40% or special boosted 40% its the same?

[crude dragon]

They are not the same

The Special is still the shoulder tackle, and the Attack is the explosion afterwards

[elder knot]

so ideally buff more but prio the special?

[timid vigil]

special and attack boons scale differently

a good setup for medea is like blitz on special hera attack, but even if its the other way around its still pretty good

[crude dragon]

The ideal setup for Medea is Ares on the Attack and Blitz on Special, to open up Heinous Affront, but it's not the only way to go

Though if you get Colossus Driver, that also opens up Aphrodite or Apollo Special as an option

[abstract depot]

Unironically running any Ares boon 💔

Honestly seeing Ares is a cause to reset

his boons STINK

[proven light]

Do you need to romance everyone to deepen your bond with Aphrodite?
Icarus is my 1 and only and deserves better than to be forced into a poly relationship because I have ocd about achievements

[crude dragon]

Medea's one of the few use cases

[timid vigil]

Depending on the aspect he could be okay

Grievous blow is still an insane boon

[hearty fog]

Ares is easily top 4, arguably top 3.

[timid vigil]

You really think?

[hearty fog]

Yup.

Only Zeus and Hera are "clearly" better than him.

Mutual Destruction is incredibly busted.

[timid vigil]

I would put at least 3~4 gods above ares personally

Probably more than that tbh

[crude dragon]

Nah, Hestia's batter overall

[hearty fog]

Hestia is my other vote for #3.

[crude dragon]

Figured

Power couple and the wine aunt as the top 3

[hearty fog]

But I'd say Ares is the stronger support while Hestia deals more damage on her own.

[loud mesa]

is there a way to skip the end credits

ive been sitting here for 5 min

[storm glen]

nah

ares is good

[abstract depot]

Ares is the worst of all gods and it's not close imho

even 2nd from bottom which i'm gonna be honest idek cause the step up from ares is astronomical

[viscid citrus]

Hera is cracked lmao

[abstract depot]

Hera is S tier

[viscid citrus]

Hitch is so good for mob clear, and the rest of her boons are so good

Only thing with Hera is you probably find something else to tackle bosses quickly because Hitch won’t do it

[loud mesa]

really? ive always avoided her tbh

[hearty fog]

Except the Bros.

[viscid citrus]

Hera is one of THE best in the game

[loud mesa]

how so

[abstract depot]

Hera might be the best cause Hitch is stupid good

[hearty fog]

I personally think it's Hera>Zeus>Ares>It doesn't really matter past this, any of them can be a 32-clearing machine.

[viscid citrus]

Hitch is crazy, and her other boons are good

[abstract depot]

what does Ares have over Apollo, Demeter or Hestia?

[hearty fog]

I finally got a +20 Queen's Ransom. Hitch was dealing 275% original damage.

[loud mesa]

no idea what hitch does tbf, i read it but dont understand

[hearty fog]

He's got better damage than any of those three except a really souped up Pyro Technique.

[abstract depot]

every enemy inflincted with it, will take 30% of all damage inflicted on other hitch-afflicted enemies

[hearty fog]

Or huge Exceptional Talent/Charon swings, but that's just with Mutual Destruction and Wounds.

[abstract depot]

you're saying better damage

where is the numbers

dude gets you a single +50 power proc on one wounds activation

[loud mesa]

whys that so special, am i dumb 😭

[hearty fog]

Yeah, level 1 common Vicious Strike Medea triggers Blitz every time.

[abstract depot]

because dealing damage to one enemy deals damage to EVERY SINGLE ENEMY afflicted with hitch

[loud mesa]

ill try a hera focussed run

[viscid citrus]

And if you put something like Hitch on the axe, you’ll be hitting multiple enemies afflicted by Hitch with each swing

[hearty fog]

@loud mesa How do you feel about the Aspect of Nyx?

[viscid citrus]

Like let’s say you swing at 3 enemies with Hitch Axe

[loud mesa]

never used

[viscid citrus]

All 3 get hitch. Then you damage enemy A, which also hits B and C, and then B which hits A and C, and C which hits A and B. Every swing

You double dip lol.

[hearty fog]

Try it with Hera Special. I'd recommend figuring out some Auto-Fire set-up.

[crude dragon]

It's great for room clearing and stripping wards

[loud mesa]

wait so its 30% of ur main dmg, then 30% of 30% of ur main damage, then 30% of 30% of 30% of ur main damage? 😭

[hearty fog]

No.

[crude dragon]

No

[hearty fog]

All enemies with Hitch will take 30% of the damage you inflict to any other enemy that has Hitch.

So you've got 8 dudes Hitched? Smack one of them for 100 damage, the other 7 take 30 damage.

Smack all of them for 100 damage, and each dude takes an additional 30 damage 7 times.

[loud mesa]

so youre saying axe + hera is cracked

[crude dragon]

Skull is, too

And Staff

[hearty fog]

I don't think there's a single weapon that doesn't have an Aspect that shines with Hera.

Every weapon can make her work, if not every Aspect.

But some of them do get extra nutty.

[loud mesa]

i mostly main thanatos and circe. so i should probably get hera boons from now on 😭

[crude dragon]

Plus she has some really entertaining support boons

Just keep in mind that her Cast is terrible

[loud mesa]

i always use demeter for casts

[crude dragon]

As is her Sprint if it's not your only form of Hitch

[loud mesa]

i like athenas sprint. used the deflect one in hades 1 too

thats not a sprint nvm

still good tho

[crude dragon]

Proper Upbringing is really nice to find when you have a lot of commons it'll upgrade, Extended Family is great for status builds, and her Legendary is a lot stronger than it might appear

[timid vigil]

Also she has some good duo boons

I think pretty much everyone can agree she and zeus are the best gods in the game

[crude dragon]

A shame her Ransoms don't scale as well as Zeus's do

[hearty fog]

When Circe RCD's Excellence.

If I could only find someone who takes care of me like that.

[storm glen]

+50 pwr is big

[sudden thistle]

Quick reminder that this game only won a single award

[hearty fog]

At a particular awards show.

[sudden thistle]

At the most prestigious award show

[hearty fog]

🤷‍♂️

[rustic basin]

But a good award amidst stacked competition and in what I consider its strongest category

[sudden thistle]

… how is best action the best category

[rustic basin]

I didn’t say it was the best, just that it’s the strongest one for H2

[sudden thistle]

You have an argument with best action/adventure

[sudden thistle]

The strongest one would be game of the year

Especially since it’s the highest rated game nominated

[hearty fog]

What's your point?

We're very well aware that H2 only won one award at TGA, where are you going?

[sudden thistle]

Just a reminder

[hearty fog]

To what end?

[plain shale]

I mean this year was stacked but I’m happy that they won at least one award unlike dispatch

[rustic basin]

Too tired to engage with this lol. I think it’s good that it got what it got and there was simply a lot of competition

[sudden thistle]

Outcome might of been different if they didn’t shill for Nintendo

But who knows

[hearty fog]

I'm surprised it's taken this long for trolls to show up, as soon as Hades 1 EA hit Steam they flooded this place.

[sudden thistle]

I joined before you

[storm glen]

ragebait

[timid vigil]

Ah yes another ragebait on this channel

[crude dragon]

Same guy, too

Guess it's that time of the week again

[elfin heron]

Im suprised how rare it is to find one here

It happens way too much on server of a well known game

[crude dragon]

The fun part is trying to figure out which

[proven light]

Just looked at a trailer for the goty. I've heard about it a few times. Is it just like, Paper Mario and Asura's Wrath?

[crude dragon]

It's a Je'RPG

But yeah, you could say it's got a decent chunk of Paper Mario DNA in it with how the spells all have QTEs to make them stronger, and the parries

[nova oar]

Just had someone tell me that weak was one of the best curses and it's way better than freeze

[crude dragon]

Better than Freeze? No, but I do agree it's a pretty good Curse

[nova oar]

I think it's the worst in terms of its actual effect

But it's easy to keep up for origination

[crude dragon]

Well, if you're using her regen or cast, it is

The dash, not nearly as much

[nova oar]

Nooo I like the dash

[elfin heron]

Tbh damage reduction is good

But I find the duration pretty short

[proven light]

Ahhh I'm personally not that into jRPG's. I get the same feeling looking at the gameplay as I do raid shadow legends ads. Like "this is really really popular why does it look so lame to me".
As far as visual fidelity goes, it looks great though!

[elfin heron]

Meanwhile freeze basically let u give free hits consistantly

[nova oar]

Damage reduction is fine but any other curse does more

[elfin heron]

Killing the enemy reduces their damage to 0

[nova oar]

Exactly

[elfin heron]

Tbh I only find weak matter on bosses

Regular enemy dies before that even matter

[carmine oar]

i finished the main story and i'm forcing myself to use the other weapons now since i exclusively used the knives, and i'm just not having fun with them. My one complaint with hades 2 compared to hades is the weapons just don't feel as fun to use.

[elfin heron]

Tbh I do prefer hades 1 weapon gameplay wise

But hades 2 weapons I think is bit stronger

[tribal wharf]

I'm fairly new myself but I think it's just a different rhythm you have to get into, you can't be quite as in your face zipping around as you can in Hades 1

[nova oar]

Definitely, you may be building/playing them wrong, especially if you only used the blades

[carmine oar]

maybe i'm just more familiar with the hades 1 ones, maybe if i just get more used to how they work i'll like them more, but they just feel less fun to use with my playing style

[nova oar]

They're typically considered the weakest of the 6 weapons

[tribal wharf]

I've just been cycling around a bunch of weapons and have only gotten a win with blades and staff, I'm clearly waaaaay more comfortable with blades than other weapons but I see the others' potential

[elfin heron]

Lim and Oros is pretty hard to use well tbh

Its weak on its own but can be very strong if u know how to use it

[nova oar]

They are better early game i've found, but get out scaled by other aspects and upgrades

[carmine oar]

i especially hate the torches, which i feel weird about because i keep seeing people praising them, they're just so boring to use

[nova oar]

Are you using the ospecial and oattack constantly

[carmine oar]

yeah

[pseudo badger]

whats the trick to use them well? tbh i never struggled with it, but idk if it could be even better

[nova oar]

Torches are just walking into a room, hitting ospecial, and then holding attack

[nova oar]

Getting trick knives

[elfin heron]

Yummy

[pseudo badger]

well yeah but thats rng

[carmine oar]

oh yeah i used that so much, i love that hammer upgrade

[nova oar]

Idk then i'm not much of a blades player

Mostly just stack on hit effects or go for an oattack build with sweeping ambush

Or ospecial on pan

[tribal wharf]

I feel like with torches my focus naturally gets split by the orbs, I feel like I need to keep an eye on how I'm positioned more than with something like blades where I am by default right on top of the enemy

[crude dragon]

I mean, you do

[carmine oar]

i'm using medea skull right now, and it's reminding me of hera bow a bit, but it's just like, not as good?

[tribal wharf]

A lot of fights I'll melt with the torches but then like every once in a while I choke a fight and eat dirt (usually longer boss fights)

[nova oar]

It's the best aspect in the game

[crude dragon]

It's similar to Hera bow, yes, but I can assure you it's not bad

Is it still the only weapon to beat 67F surface?

[carmine oar]

i haven't gotten an attack boon yet, and it's only rank 1, so i imagine it gets a lot better

[nova oar]

Absolutely lmao 😭 😭

Don't judge any aspect until you have it at max

[crude dragon]

At max rank, it's 90% Attack/Special damage

[nova oar]

Foolish moment

[tribal wharf]

I've been able to get to Chronos with all the weapons I've tried so far but I still eat a lot of damage along the way that I feel like I shouldn't

And of course Chronos himself just has these really flashy moves that are hard to parse in the moment for me

[nova oar]

Have you beaten a run yet?

[tribal wharf]

Yeah I've beaten Chronos with staff and knives

[crude dragon]

I have a suggestion

[tribal wharf]

And I beat Typhon pretty much first try with knives, somehow

[carmine oar]

i think i need to rebind my controller to use my hera bow controls when using this lol, i'm kinda clunky with the default controls for medea skull

[nova oar]

On controller?

[elfin heron]

It shreds

And I think it technically has the highest dps

If u use it on stationary target agaisnt a wall they die so fast

[nova oar]

It does yeah

[carmine oar]

yeah, it's just weird for my thumb to be doing both

[crude dragon]

Yeah, Typhon and the Eye just evaporate

[nova oar]

I use it just fine tbh

Medea pb is 5.30

[rich frost]

I was looking at a speedrun record the other day, and it looks like you're best off using one attack per special for a decent chunk of the run. That might be specific to Zeus special though.

[tribal wharf]

I'm currently at parents' home for the holidays and using a different mouse that seems a bit finnicky with its right click so my omega specials don't always charge when I want it too
Once I'm back in my own apartment I might end up doing a bit better with torches lol

[crude dragon]

No, that's the rule of thumb

[nova oar]

The strat is to always do one attack and then special

Oattack between waves for huntress

[crude dragon]

You always do one attack per special

[rich frost]

Yeah in that case you don't need "Mouse Wheel controlls" (or whatever the equivalent on controller is) to quick-charge.

[tribal wharf]

I've gotten close to beating Chronos with every weapon (except the mech suit which I haven't tried yet though it looks sick as hell) but I feel like if I just slowed down and stopped trying to play like I'm Zagreus still I would probably win a lot of these runs I lost

[carmine oar]

yeah i heard that so i've been doing that

[crude dragon]

You'd be correct

[rich frost]

Plus I'm not sure you even can, there seems to be a significant casting time associated to loading the skull

[crude dragon]

Mel isn't Zag, so don't play her like she is

[nova oar]

Mel is alot more wait, dodge, and then attack, rather than ignoring all attacks and dash spamming

[nova oar]

Wdym?

[rich frost]

If you bind attack to mouse wheel on Medea Skull, it doesn't seeem to be possible to insta-load in the same way that binding cast to mouse wheel on Beowulf did.

[nova oar]

Ah right ok that makes sense

Would basically be temu wide grin

[pseudo badger]

is it worth taking the flame contract in charon shops?

[timid vigil]

it's the optional secret boss fight

[pseudo badger]

ik, I did it once, but idk if its worth doing on runs

[timid vigil]

Depends really, the fight can be quite difficult on like region 1 for example

[nova oar]

I never take it but i only do speeds or high fear

[carmine oar]

he beat me up the only time i've gotten it but that's because i was out of death defiances after my first time fighting vow of rivals hecate lol

[crude dragon]

You get a free item in every shop for the rest of the run

[carmine oar]

and i was using the axe, which i'm not used to

[pseudo badger]

hmm, im in region2 , lets gamble this then lol, I could get my DD back on echo or narcissus

[crude dragon]

Could even get it back from the shop item

Though I think it's usually a boon or double pom

Speaking of free, does Travel Deal restock the free item?

[timid vigil]

I did it a lot when I was doing 32 all aspects but my biggest motivation to do it was dialogue and hearing unseen ones

[nova oar]

Afaik no

[timid vigil]

And cause the fight is cool

[nova oar]

Gotta spend money

[crude dragon]

Unfortunate

[timid vigil]

No, echo shop thing also doesn't work I'm pretty sure

[pseudo badger]

does it count as a boss fight for the lovers arcana?

[timid vigil]

I legit don't remember, I think it doesn't

Now idk if I should do 40f all aspects or try surface speedrunning

[pseudo badger]

when ppl say 40f all aspect, do you mean uw and surface or only uw?

[timid vigil]

When I did 32f all aspects I did half/half

Based on vibes and what I wanted to play at the moment

[pseudo badger]

fair

[timid vigil]

At the end of the day this is not like an official challenge or anything it's just for fun

[rich frost]

How high do the bounties go?

[nova oar]

20f

[rustic basin]

Case-by-case, usually. I think it’s more common to mean only UW but it can be all or any combination

[nova oar]

Do 40 you won't regret it

[rich frost]

Oh that's actually significantly lower than I thought.

[nova oar]

I did 40f all for both regions

[rustic basin]

Yeh, it’s designed to be pretty approachable

[nova oar]

Highest the game recognises is 32, and you only need 24 for all acheivments

[rich frost]

Now it makes more sense why all the in-run NPCs have been commenting on my fear in their voice lines when all I had was Time 3 and Rivals 1 lol.

[rustic basin]

Imma be real, I think I’d have more fun redoing almost all of the UW 62s than Surface 40s

[timid vigil]

Thing is I finished 32f kinda recently, but maybe I'll start

I was not expecting doing 62 today

[nova oar]

Real 😭 😭 😭

[nova oar]

Oh you did it? Noice

[pseudo badger]

unpopular opinion, I wish game achievements were actually achievements and challenging, and not just participation trophies

not saying hades should have one for 67fear, but like 40-50 would be a reasonable challenge and doable for most who try

[timid vigil]

Yeah and with an unexpected boon (to me at least)

[nova oar]

If you want to make the game more difficult you can, but I think it's good they made the 100% accessible for more people

[timid vigil]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[rustic basin]

I could full-clear Surface 55s pretty unceremoniously, I think, but at that point I’d just feel like I might as well go for 62 LOL.
Granted, I did almost do the first 62 Surface I tried, but that was with a decent build and Aspect I was comfortable with, so..

[nova oar]

Yeah i got all achievments day of release but I can just turn up the fear

[pseudo badger]

100% should be a challenge and accessibility should not be a priority at all imo

[rich frost]

40-50 fear is not doable for most who try. Everyone who is on this server is an extreme hardcore gamer by "overall playerbase" standards.

[nova oar]

[timid vigil]

On their defense, if hades 1 had something like 50f for all achievements I would mald

[pseudo badger]

then they won't get all achievements, they can enjoy the game all the same

[rustic basin]

Insert survivorship bias plane image

[nova oar]

Yeah i mean only 100-200 players have cleared 62, problem is most of them are in this server

[pseudo badger]

but fair, maybe it's not that big of the % and this discord skews my view of it

but 32fear in hades 1 was way too easy, and it wasn't even needed for an achi, just for an in game reward

[nova oar]

You would be suprised at how many people give up at 24f and the chaos trials because they're too hard

Even tho we could do them in our sleep, blindfolded, upside down, with our hands tied up

[timid vigil]

imo 32heat in hades1 would be equivalent to ~50fear, which is to say it's doable, but not everyone will do it

[pseudo badger]

i will def make achis hard for my own game, like top 1% can get them, maybe less

[nova oar]

Yeah heat was harder than fear was

[nova oar]

That's just gonna be a miserable experience imo

[pseudo badger]

i dont think it would be that high, isn't 50f way harder than 32 on hades1? surface for sure

[nova oar]

Encouraging elitism is never a good idea

[rich frost]

I consider myself a skilled amateur gamer, I put a lot of time into the games I enjoy, and I find my current climb for the fear bounties to be decently challenging. I don't think I'll realitically complete 40 fear, but I will give it a shot when I get there.

[timid vigil]

I mean have you seen steam achievements? A lot of people don't even finish the story

[rustic basin]

I was so bad at H1 compared to H2 lmao. I barely beat 32H (granted, I spent like a tenth of the time on it compared to H2, but still)

[pseudo badger]

it won't have any effect on gameplay, people looking for a challenge can go for them, others can ignore it

[nova oar]

Yeah i mean I did 32h in H1

But h2 is way more consistent and easier to work with

[timid vigil]

I suffered more on 32 heat than 50 fear, but that's cause I'm bad at hades 1, well I'm bad at hades 2 too but less bad anyway

[pseudo badger]

fair lol

[rustic basin]

It also helps that H2 is both easier and more positioning-based than dash spam, so that lends itself to being better for me based on how I play games

[nova oar]

I think you underestimate how important acheivments are to large portions of the playerbase

[rustic basin]

ALSO because the Weapons are overall stronger at base. Like, considerably so

[rich frost]

The way that steam treats achievements, they read like completion marks, and everyone who wants and spends the time should be able to complete a game to 100%.

[nova oar]

Plus they can be an important part of the gameplay

[rich frost]

You can still have optional unlockables / prestige trophies that aren't tied to achievements.

[nova oar]

Alot of games i've played have used achievements to get me to interact with things in a certain way

[pseudo badger]

looking at steam % of people who 100% games, it's like 5-10% of the players, which is a significant portion, but then again, these are achievements, not check lists

[nova oar]

I just don't see what's wrong with ssg making their game accessible for all the new players rather than making a nightmare difficultly for the game specifically for the H1 players

[pseudo badger]

like, philosophically imo, it shouldn't be granted that everyone can 100% a game

[timid vigil]

Lowkey it's just jpom

[nova oar]

What's wrong with everyone being able to 100% a game

[timid vigil]

Put jpom and time piece in hades 1 it suddenly becomes a lot easier I think

[pseudo badger]

you wont make the game harder by adding hard achievements, anyone can finish the story by never touching fears, but why should they get achievements for it?

[pseudo badger]

whats wrong with not everyone being able to do it?

[nova oar]

You can make the game harder by adding your own fear

Saying people don't deserve acheivments cause they're not good enough is really elitist

[crude dragon]

Also, just the fact that Fear isn't as BS as some Heat conditions are

[pseudo badger]

well yeah, if you are not good enough, you don't deserve it, that's life

[nova oar]

I just think it's weird to actively make the experience worse for most players

[pseudo badger]

and by defintion, I expect ppl who care about the achievements to be a bit more hardcore group of players than the ones who launch a game on PS5, finish the story and move on

[pseudo badger]

it literally doesn't change the experience

you play the exact same game from start to finish

[nova oar]

It very much does change the experience

[elfin heron]

Tbh I dont like some achievements that are overly absurb

[pseudo badger]

if you care about the achis, then git gud

hollow knight has insanely hard achievements, and still 5% + of the players 100% the game

nobody complained about it

[nova oar]

Trust me plenty of people have complained about it

[rich frost]

imo if you want an achievement that not everyone should be able to get, you have three options that don't take away from the fun of other players: (a) go play a PvP game, and treat your rating as an achievement (b) interact with the community and do challenge runs or (c) speedrun.com.

[nova oar]

But people still come in here and complain about h2 acheivments

[pseudo badger]

souls games are hard by default and ppl still love it, there is a target audience for these kind of games

[nova oar]

H2 isn't meant to be a hard game under 32f

[elfin heron]

Tbh I dont really care about achievements

Just the game itself

[pseudo badger]

i just dont know why easy achievements should be the default, why should ppl be entitled for that?

[nova oar]

It's a different audience, if you want a more challenging experience with harder achievements, the game isn't for you

[elfin heron]

I just get achievements without looking for it

You are bound to unlock it by accident or for simply playing eventually

[rich frost]

Souls games are also consistently under fire from people who wish for an accessibility mode because they find the game pretty and the story interesting but don't want the grueling gameplay experience that comes with it.

[elfin heron]

Assist mode that dont shame you for using it is nice

Like dead cells assist mode

[rich frost]

Like I get the argument, but it's not consensus

[pseudo badger]

yeah exactly, so your experience wouldn't change at all if the achis were harder, cuz you don't care about them

[nova oar]

Some people just aren't as good at video games, and can only get in a few hours here and there

[timid vigil]

kinda, on hades 1 i legit needed a guide for the epilogue

[pseudo badger]

i never get those people, it's like me walking into a woman's clothes store and complain that they don't have stuff for me

[elfin heron]

I forgot epilogue even existed

[nova oar]

That is literally what you're doing right now

[pseudo badger]

im quite certain those are the type of gamers who finish the story and are done, they don't care about 100%ing games

[nova oar]

You can't assume that, i know people that love to 100% games, but don't have the time in their lives anymore, and games like hades 2 with an easier 100% makes things so much more fun for them

[pseudo badger]

sure, there are some, but i dont think its the majority

most of my friends are quite hardcore in terms of seeking out challenges but they never care about achievements so it might not even be an overlap between that

[nova oar]

I think you're in the minority of wanting to make a game harder purely to screw over the casual gamer

[nova oar]

Everyone is different

[pseudo badger]

again, making an achievements that's outside the game harder will not touch the games difficulty at all

[nova oar]

If you make achievements for harder content, that is making the game harder

[pseudo badger]

no, the game's difficulty is you finishing the game from start to finish -if it has a story-

anyhting outside of that, hard mode, level 1 runs, achievements have nothing to do with that

also in fact, some of the harder games have a higher % of players completing them than some easy but boring achievements, like AC valhalla/odysses less than 1% have all of them:https://steamcommunity.com/stats/2208920/achievements
all fromsoft games sit at 5-10%+

[jolly hound]

Idk about all that, 50 fear for its own sake kinda counts

[rustic basin]

Very much appreciate Miyazaki’s approach to this with Elden Ring where the difficulty is designed to be part of the story and you can just cheese fights with certain builds if you really wish to

[rustic basin]

Oh my god, yeah. The way the Arcana are set up makes JPom really easy to play with, but even with now the Mirror is, it’d still be crazy

[timid vigil]

I'm curious if there's a mod that adds it, I'll check out later

[elfin heron]

2 metal balls casually being the strongest weapon in elden ring

[jolly hound]

my brother told me to get Elden ring and basically carried me through the entire game. it was the “my big brother’s gonna kick your ass” experience

[pseudo badger]

Thats one of the main reasons ER is my least fav fromsoft game lol

Tne other is the open world

[smoky cedar]

How to upgrade a pet?

[crude dragon]

Gotta get all 5 first, then you'll get the incantation for pet upgrades

[smoky cedar]

Thanks

[brave gate]

No you only need 4 of them. You don’t need Gale

I guess that’s left over from before Gale was even added

I responded to someone with this issue yesterday but now I have the issue of not being able to progress Narcissus’ quest 😭

The incantation never showed up

[cunning laurel]

the open world make you like it less?

[pseudo badger]

yeah, I just don't think it works with the souls formula

main issue was you could go 5 diff ways, you did one, and then you were overleveled for the other 4, which made it not fun for me

• it was kinda copy pasted dungeons and not much to do in the open world

[rustic basin]

It’s the only one I’ve really played fully, so I don’t have much experience to say, but I loved it quite a lot actually

[pseudo badger]

still a great game imo, compared to what other studios make lol, but imo it fell short from the other from titles

[cunning laurel]

i appreciated the options compared to ds3

[broken creek]

Nah I agree icl

Elden ring suffered from being too open i feel. So many times what was a 30-hour long detour led to something useless which always feels bad, and then the proper sign posting and direction is just kinda whatever

If elden ring was just a little bit more linear i would've loved it

[tropic ravine]

I do get what you mean it’s open world but you don’t really explore in that sense

It’s my favourite game but I had to use a lot of guides

[prisma monolith]

i assume the new story spell removes ||zag from shops?||??

[manic ether]

does Persephone and Jeweled Pom not work on Artemis?

or am i just really unlucky lol

wait Pressure Points isnt pommable at all in Hades 2

strange

ig poms only work on Olympians

[craggy totem]

Well, she is an Olympian! Poms work on most of the boons from "core boon givers" (the folks whose boons go in the permanently pinned slots on the left side), but there are some of those which... still aren't pommable, so it's not really a black and white sitch

[manic ether]

thats what i meant lol

well guess i cant do a max Support Fire or Pressure Points run in Hades 2

sad

thats what we have Hades 1 for lol

[pseudo badger]

Why would it do that?

[prisma monolith]

cause ||zag is back in the ice cube? maybe||?

[pseudo badger]

Oh lol, is this after epilogue?

[prisma monolith]

just for clarification, im talking about the spell that lets you reexperience the new ending

[pseudo badger]

Ohh, not sure then, maybe its a bug? Or it counts as an unlock and you can take advantage of it and just replay the story

[prisma monolith]

oh no, i havent checked, im asking if it does

simple curiosity

[pseudo badger]

Sorry its late here LOL, and no clue, never tried that mode

[devout cairn]

the new ending was added and was available if your save had finished the old ending, if you started playing later I don't htink you see the option

[prisma monolith]

yeah if you didnt get the old ending, dont see why theyd let you just rexperience the same

[jolly hound]

Air quality from Zeus and support fire is a grand old time

You can’t count on it, but static shock, support fire and air quality is fire

[fresh wind]

So I'm really confused about how gift gift gift is supposed to work - I just got it from echo with luckier tooth as my keepsake, and after beating cerebrus I still have it + 1 other DD for a total of 2. When I get to the safe room before act 4 and try switching to a different keepsake, the only thing that happens is I lose luckier tooth and get left with 1 DD. Am I missing something or is this a bug

[devout cairn]

i think if it has "for the night" in the description, it lasts for the entire run, switching or not

but tooltips might be inconsistent, if in doubt just ask here

[fresh wind]

I dont follow, what does lasting for the entire run mean in this context - like if I switch will I still have luckier tooth and the UI just doesnt indicate it?

[devout cairn]

oh forget what i said, I misread your question lol

[fresh wind]

Kinda bummed bc this was easily my best attempt at VoR chronos and it seems like I just wasted a whole keepsake/echo boon

Just wish I knew if this was a bug or a misunderstanding since it seems most of the discussion around gift^3 amounts to people never seeing it

[foggy sable]

NO HIT CHRONOS

[fresh wind]

Never mind I figured it out. The gaining of the duplicated keepsake doesnt go off until you proceed past the safe room

[foggy sable]

DING DING BUILD GO BRR (attempted tough gain build thing, I wanna do that trick at some point lol)

[charred gazelle]

how do i unlock the great chaos trials, i have all keepsakes and aspects unlocked but i still dont have it

[inner arrow]

I don’t know how to feel about what I just did. I beat the surface for the first time with a bunch of boons I didn’t really want. Except towards the end I got two legendary that saved the run

I feel like I tripped over the finish line

[pseudo stratus]

beat the game, ending made me tear up

[quartz walrus]

how do you upgrade your familiars

[prisma monolith]

more cookies

[nova oar]

You need to unlock the first 4 and the get the incantation from either circe or hecate

[proven light]

trying to do a cast build against eris is making me want to die. I even have the time-slow thing on channels and I can't do a single attack without her flying off lol

I think she has stall killed me more than any other boss in the game

[sturdy magnet]

I find Eris pretty entertaining as a character

[nova oar]

Unless it's apollo winners circle then cast builds aren't gonna go well

[nova oar]

Boss fights are a bit easy tho

[sturdy magnet]

Hades 2 Olympus route bosses in the last two are amazing

[quartz walrus]

oh
I keep forgetting to talk to the ferret before prometheus and heracles

[nova oar]

Gale, he's a polecat

[proven light]

I'm at 31/32 with the Aspects and trying to win with Circe's.
I dont HAVE to do it with 32 heat but idk once it's up I don't like turning it down lol.
It's a surface run so in theory I should be able to set up some decent duo boons. I'm thinking Hostile Envornment then try to get some Apollo boons later down the line.

I've had bad luck setting it up, I might need to change my arcana around

[nova oar]

For circe the best build is zeus cast and demeter for gales

Put freeze on attack and blitz on special

High burst and continuous damage

What arcana and vows are you using?

[quartz walrus]

Cant you also do demeter blade rift builds

[nova oar]

Yeah but they're harder to setup and do less damage

[proven light]

Will I still be able to set up Hostile Enviornment? I was actually going for zeus cast but got greedy last run w/ kings ransom.
Cause I'm just having trouble keeping the Guardians in the damage circle. Everything else is a breeze

[nova oar]

Plus you don't want your cast to follow you

[nova oar]

I mean you can

[proven light]

especially with a timer i keep timing out waiting for them to finally end up inside the circle lol

[quartz walrus]

which cast is best to use with aspect of charon

[nova oar]

I don't have any circe surface gameplay but I have me doing uw rivals if you want to see how I play it

[nova oar]

Any is fine really, the big things are lucid gain and geyser spout

Best is probably apollo

[broken glen]

I’m a believer in Apollo personally but Poseidon is also good. You want both gods in your pool anyways

[quartz walrus]

Is the optimal thing for it literally just all apollo lmao

[proven light]

well the issues with eris fight are similar to what I'd imagine Hecate fight would play out light. Chasing around the proper one to have take damage inside the case sounds like a pain

[broken glen]

Apollo with a side of Poseidon

[proven light]

but if you did hecate with no problem i think you'll do fine on a surface run!

[nova oar]

Outside of geyser spout yeah, supernova is still bugged too

[broken glen]

Oh yeah the supernova Charon bug

[quartz walrus]

doesnt it always erupt as if it had grown to max size

[nova oar]

Yeah i mean my best Circe is 55f sf, I don't just prioritise cast damage, I get good boons on attack and special too

[broken glen]

It’s hilarious, screenwipe (I think it might even erupt bigger than normal max size? Not sure)

[nova oar]

Cast does a ton of damage but you need to have good damage from the staff too

[proven light]

which channel should I send my arcana in?

[nova oar]

It just goes instantly to max size

[nova oar]

You can link with imgure, use crossroads, or just dm me

[plain shale]

Question when you heard Olympus aflame first time how did it make yall feel. For me it felt like a rigorous climb and the guitar part made it feel like the climax especially when it played the Prometheus boss fight

[nova oar]

Mid

Same as the rest of the music

[broken glen]

Hey the soundtrack is good

[nova oar]

😒

[broken glen]

I prefer pyre and transistor over it but it has a lot of variety which I appreciate

[proven light]

https://imgur.com/a/YtitLC5 I think I did it!

[nova oar]

Oh boy these are bad

[spare wind]

||If I go back in time now where I haven't eradicated typhon and completely destroyed chronos will Melinoe still remember that she has already once vanquished chronos once and for all? || Hades 2 question and SPOILER

[proven light]

yea it feels terrible

[nova oar]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjQiXQ==
Arcana

For circe

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwxLDAsMCwwLDEsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd

Vows

I do recommend running fates whim over rerolls tho

[spare wind]

Is this like better that I find out on my own lol

[proven light]

oh brother frenzy is wild!!!!!
and you fight unrivaled chronos with it on?? that is horrifying haha

do you bank on freeze to counter that speed because I always have a hard time with even 1 rank of frenzy. I'm always eating damage

[spare wind]

Is this just me or playing alot of surface runs at once also made you guys better in the underworld?
For some reason my underworld runs now are much faster than before

[nova oar]

I've only ever fought rivals chronos with it

[nova oar]

Freeze does help but i've done 40f all aspects vor4

So I try not to rely on it

[proven light]

And with circe, the ward one isn't too bad! There is a lot of DoT, and the Familiar Bond is very good at clearing it off the mobs.
And Fangs! I always felt like that is a rewarding one to take for how much Fear it gives.

Unrivaled Typhon isnt too bad, but Chronos im still getting the hang of.

[nova oar]

Idk i personally hate wards cause it slows be down but you can take it and be fine

[broken creek]

Wards is a joke on like 2/3 of the weapons

[nova oar]

But yeah typhon is way easier than chronos

I can hitless antler rivals typhon but still eat it at chronos

[broken creek]

Or just dont ever run high fear surface

[proven light]

if im doing certain builds I hate it too!! It's satisfying seeing everything die at once, y'know?
I dont usually have it activated on my hight fear runs, but I thought it'd be good for this.

[nova oar]

Real

[proven light]

yeah im overwhelmed fighting him rn without any frenzy so you're insane lol

[nova oar]

Just alot of practice

[proven light]

can I stand in the void or nawh? during that fight

[nova oar]

Plus i've done 62f so it's not really comparable

[nova oar]

Yes lmao it's all solid floor

[proven light]

OK should be a little easier next time

im gonna play a few runs lmao ty

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/lsKQREr

Any time

[broken creek]

Luthien should I do 65f hel when I get home

I lowkey hate the aspect but its still kinda fun

[tropic ravine]

Going on a cruise so excited

[spare wind]

The fact that I got dressed to kill achievement on the first time lol just noticed
Because I had no idea I still had the arcane dress on

[broken creek]

Thats a tough one to get icl, I think my first time getting it was on a speedrun

Ive gotten it a couple times now from high fear

[spare wind]

I just got it when I was trying the final run

||also my heart was racing so fast because I was on 9 hp and chronos was on 3rd phase 30% hp||

My best clutch in Hades 2

[buoyant matrix]

you have ||infinite defiances|| in p3

[spare wind]

Huh?

[broken creek]

Yeah story p3 you cant die

[spare wind]

Oh

[buoyant matrix]

the last story run gives you ||infinite defiances|| in p3

[spare wind]

Man I was so proud 😭