h2-discussion

[atomic folio]

Circe is so fun but definitely rough with vow of forfeit

[rotund comet]

or getting poms when my only boon is mana regen thats already epic

[thin laurel]

I'm curious what you don't like about Circe specifically, it's just 2x cast damage even if you ignore everything else about it lol
but for Mel staff you want any damage% boon on special, to take advantage of the high base power. hera, aphrodite, apollo, etc etc. Zeus is ideal for attack, but other stuff works too, it's a fairly flexible aspect

[rotund comet]

good to know the first area is just a bit unforgiving on skipped boons

[thin laurel]

somewhat I guess? idt it's more rough than the other staffs, though. psychic leash damage can do wonders for early room clear

like, I'd say Hel, Supay, and Pan feel really bad with vow of forfeit since the base damage is just. abysmal. Circe doesn't feel amazing, but tbh few aspects feel great with forfeit unless they get crazy high damage% or base power without boons (i.e. medea, moros, eos)

[nova oar]

You're the first person i've seen actually use it

[atomic folio]

This is a good point actually

[merry whale]

i have no problem with circe on forfeit, the leash does insane free dmg lol

[nova oar]

Circe was fine lmao psychic leash and gigaros is tons of damage

[rotund comet]

im sticking to judgement btw because without reroll boons it actually can cap me out

[thin laurel]

leash is also free wards clear, which makes forfeit + wards not too much of an issue

[atomic folio]

I got really lucky in a run once with all epic zues cast, gust, and omega ares

[nova oar]

Makes 62 sound easy

[atomic folio]

I died that run though i forgot which fear it was but it wasnt super high i just have a skill issue

I think it was like mid 20s

[nova oar]

I hate the miniturret summit enemies

[rotund comet]

one more thing is, is there a way to just force the game to reroll a seed without throwing?

[thin laurel]

if you're sticking to judgement because you find it fun then go for it!
but it is solidly worse, so if you want to run judgement to get a stronger endgame build I would advise against it. like yeah you eventually get every card but 1) some arcana cards aren't even useful on every weapon, and 2) it makes the early regions significantly harder.
like, medea for example is going to get basically no value from night and eternity, minimal value from moon, and negative value from unseen since it turns off huntress 🤷

[nova oar]

Espcially on antler
Was 40f antler on surface a mistake?

[thin laurel]

yup, post-epilogue incantation

[nova oar]

Absolutely not we still win these

[thin laurel]

also elaborating:
62 fear is every vow other than void
65 fear adds vow of void, so you have to use judgement
if judgement actually made runs easier or gave you more overall power, 65 would be way more popular

[rotund comet]

OOH, so basically the problem is sorta, im fighting my own weapon here doing medea?

[nova oar]

Unironically using hangover for origination

[thin laurel]

very few weapons will benefit from every single arcana card!
like, almost everything which benefits from huntress won't care about night, unseen, or eternity, and vice versa (there are some exceptions)
so even if you used a different weapon, judgement is just... harder. harder early game, no guarantee you roll the cards you want, etc

[merry whale]

there's an extremely weird thing i feel where 65 has more of a weird "consistency" to it as much as it feels like it's not it also kinda is

[atomic folio]

Oh no i dont have Unseen what am i gonna do (kill it with fire)

[thin laurel]

I'll have to take your word for it, erebus at 62 fear sucks enough, I don't want to do it with a fraction of my normal arcana loadout 💀 maybe if I get way better at the game

[nova oar]

I did 62, never going higher

[thin laurel]

it's amazing on high fear Eos
but yeah like 98% of the time it's either useless or bad

[merry whale]

ye it's like, 62 is fairly consistent but 65 is a different flavor of consistency

[red fox]

Imagine getting thru boonless without fury and huntress

[atomic folio]

New challenge run

[merry whale]

it also reveals how ass hel aspect is cuz it does so little damage without scorch/splash it's actually diabolically trash

[thin laurel]

btw red have you done 62f morrigan? cause blades are still kicking my ass 😔 and any advice is appreciated lol

[nova oar]

I love antlered typhon

[merry whale]

i did like 55f morrigan i think rivals 4 and minimal pain/scars?

[thin laurel]

I've been told that mel blades are easier
I just have way less consistent runs using mel blades so far, idk, I time out way more than other weapons

[atomic folio]

What was the first weapon everyone reached the end with

[thin laurel]

hm. idk if I remember, like the first weapon I beat chronos with? it was on an old save I don't have anymore, from early access

[red fox]

That is like billion years ago idk lol

[nova oar]

I don't remember

[atomic folio]

Pretty sure mine was skull and i got the daedalus where the skulls instantly come back to you

[merry whale]

idk about easier but mel blades is prob more straightforward

[atomic folio]

Is there an artemis aspect fan in here i simply must know if one exists

[merry whale]

i rarely have timer problems with blades unless i get crazy unlucky erebus rooms

[nova oar]

There is noone

[atomic folio]

Sad world

[thin laurel]

I think I just play them badly ngl
trying to learn but I disliked them until recently

I think I need to utilize attack way more than I am, since I'm wanting to shortcut to special spam (since I don't enjoy normal blade attacks lol)
but with wards that kinda just. doesn't work out

[merry whale]

fr same i think the backstab damage was super slept on cuz of how simple it seemed but damn it's kinda nutty

[nova oar]

I hate selene coat stop making me play it

[merry whale]

nah i rarely attack combo tbh

[thin laurel]

but I've also timed out versus like. cerb. which...... is not something which usually happens to me 💀

[merry whale]

i find the most success throwing on like apollo or hera on special

[thin laurel]

hm. just all in on damage%? I've also heard scorch and blitz go well

[merry whale]

scorch spec is good but % stuff is really solid on spec

[atomic folio]

Well blitz is good on like everything*

[thin laurel]

how do you tend to deal w wards/AoE early on? and is there anything else you prioritize for erebus?
(also like. other than trick knives, any notable hammers? I tend to just grab reaper knives or melting sickle if offered)

[merry whale]

idk how to describe i kinda just poke stuff until they die

[atomic folio]

The timer doesnt get you with just special pokes?

[merry whale]

could just watch my mel blade vids if u want to see what i'm doing cuz i'm just winging it https://youtu.be/62mBHXW1LL4

[thin laurel]

oh right I forgot, you vibe your way through 62 a lot more than me since you're just like. built different LMAO

[merry whale]

yea i got 62 and 65 mel blades in a row first try like idk what happened

[thin laurel]

oooh no huntress proccing
is this autofire btw or nah

oooooh also no artificering room 2... huh

[merry whale]

nah no autofire and i forgor i had artificier

don't assume every action i do is intentional

[thin laurel]

lmao very valid
I have it hardwired into my brain from doing Hel 62 with fate's whim, where if I didn't get a boon room 2 the run was like. doomed lowkey

[merry whale]

it's good to learn to watch a vid and be like "hmm that doesn't seem right", proves u have decent game knowledge to recognize what lessons to take/not take

[thin laurel]

hm. it looks like it def is some attack combos to deal with wards when you're boonless

honestly idk what exactly my issue with blades is, I tend to have a pretty fast high fear erebus overall...? but idk.
maybe I do just need to be stubborn and force mel blades to work, I want to be good at them

[merry whale]

lol i was life taxing thru erebus like a madman

[thin laurel]

I love life tax erebus so much lol
best 1.1 change other than the actual story

[merry whale]

truu

[red fox]

Taxing thru scar

[storm glen]

i kidna hate it its a massive crutch

difference between getting it and not getting it is massive

[thin laurel]

I think the feeling of rolling it on jpom with max scars and seeing the healing number next to my hp bar mocking me all run long was too annoying 💀 even making jpom unable to roll it with max scars (like last gasp not being rolled without death) would have been an improvement

[merry whale]

tbf it still requires u to be good at game to not lose it in erebus then suck ass for the rest of the run

while gigaros guarantees cracked dmg

[thin laurel]

also gigaros already makes erebus feel way easier than other rolls, so adding another goated jpom roll is like. idk, if anything more balanced feeling

[merry whale]

ye it's good to have like a few strong jpom options rather than one giga busted one like in 1.0 lmao

[thin laurel]

oh wow these hammers suck 💀 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1446057072486776905/Screenshot_2025-12-04_at_12.34.21_AM.png?ex=69329918&is=69314798&hm=3c5b8dcedf7e65d625c1cd13b4c9eaf5b1f723e341592d799995da84613e79ce&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700

[merry whale]

now once they fix gift gift gift bug everything will be ok

sweeping for hex proc

[thin laurel]

restarting because I need all the help I can get lmao

[merry whale]

lol fair

ngl i could see sweeping ambush with like hera atk for room clear

idk how big it actually is and it'd still not compare to just hera spec but yknow

[thin laurel]

tbh if I'd gotten a boon by then (it was room 4) I would have kept going

but it was like. onion, ash rolls to magick, centaur heart, and. eh
idk. I've done a lot of mel blades attempt, I want it to go well for once

[nova oar]

I hate hate hate selene coat

[verbal rampart]

Why? Never tried it I admit

[nova oar]

It is worse than all other coat aspects and is very unfun

[verbal rampart]

Ok. I still intend to try it but at least I'm warned

[thin laurel]

it's not that bad for fun runs and low to mid fear
just kinda meh for speeds and higher fear stuff

[verbal rampart]

Well for now I'm still at "I need to beat Chronos at least once" so Fear is out of the equation

[thin laurel]

also lucky for you, aspect of Nyx is pretty much agreed to be the best aspect of the coat lol
altho all the non-Selene coats are decent, and actively great in specific contexts imo

[verbal rampart]

Too bad for me, I intend to max out the Selene Coat wayyyyy before Nyx Coat

I chose randomly which aspects to max out in order

[thin laurel]

altho also luckily for you, Nyx coat barely cares about being upgraded whereas Selene REALLY wants upgrades lol
Nyx's best builds use on-hit effects (like scorch, splash, blitz etc), and for those builds the stat which gets upgraded when you rank up the aspect doesn't matter 👀

[tough crow]

Where should we petition the devs to let us feed the excess treats to Cerberus and the familiars?

[verbal rampart]

Nice!

[buoyant flume]

Postgame spoiler question ||How do I find the Fates? I used Moros' keepsake 3 times then died in the next battle chamber (which is 2 chambers after since the only option was narcissus) but nothing happened||

[buoyant matrix]

it has to be all 4 chambers in a row, use the trial of doom from the pitch black stone since it instantly takes you to oceanus and disables narc room

[buoyant flume]

oh ok tks

[icy halo]

It's so messed up that seed reroll incant is now locked behind epilogue

I'm running 30ish Fear and I can't reroll for good luck until I finish giving out another 9000 gifts to everyone 😭 And I can mostly only do one a night!!!

[verbal rampart]

I admit this incantation seems pretty useless to me since I never ever quit a run because the rng doesn't suit me

[minor eagle]

Same

[minor eagle]

I like it but its defo the worst one yeah

[verbal rampart]

I forgot what it even does

[minor eagle]

You have a hex that deals a bit of damage and makes omega attacks do more damage for a bit

The damage is kinda meh but if you get the upgrade that makes it deal more damage every hit it does in a row it can be cool

[verbal rampart]

...that's it? That's all?

[minor eagle]

Yeah.

The upgrades to it just reduce the cost of the hex

[verbal rampart]

Well that...uuuuh how would you say it in engliiiiish...in french we would say "That's not the sellable stuff" 🥖

[minor eagle]

I dont know what that means so im just gonna assume you mean you think its bad

[nova oar]

I agree it is not the good s**t

[minor eagle]

True

[verbal rampart]

I'll try it anyway but not before maxxing the aspect

[nova oar]

It's better if you ignore the aspect

[slim pike]

It's probably the weakest one, BUT

absolutely use it once, you need to use its hex (and every other hex) at least once in order to unlock godsent hexes

@verbal rampart

[verbal rampart]

I still intend to accomplish the prophecy saying that you must at least try all of the aspects, I forgot the name

[verbal rampart]

Thanks for the advice

[buoyant matrix]

they mean ignore the aspect's gimmick and just treat it like base coat

[verbal rampart]

Ooooh my bad, I sometimes am very oblivious lmao

[nova oar]

They did yes

[rotund hearth]

How do controller players do it? I got wrecked it was crazy. Like all your buttons are in one side of the controller. How???

I need to learn lol.

[real scarab]

remap your buttons lol

[nova oar]

I'm still on default and it's fine but you can just remap

[rotund hearth]

Will be awkward though

[merry wave]

I just now unlocked this reroll thing but I can't find out how to use it

I think it's to get a new seed for runs?

[buoyant matrix]

yes, they mostly put it for speedrunners

[real scarab]

I remap the buttons in pretty much all the games

[merry wave]

Okay now I'm really confused about what I actually unlocked. It cost 7 fates fabric, 7 sand and 7 lenses

[buoyant matrix]

as you said, it rerolls the seed

normally when you use "undo night" in the main menu and start your run you'll get the exact same boons/hammers offered in the first room again. saluting the oath will reroll that

[merry wave]

Okay I was confused because I couldn't find any option for the Oaths but now I learned that I need to salute the thing

[buoyant flume]

Is Circe aspect any good at all??

[merry wave]

I really liked it early on but after it fell off

[verbal rampart]

Circé aspect is probably the best of all Staff aspects. The psychic leash just vaporizes enemies

[nova oar]

It is one of the best aspects in the game

[nova oar]

mel staff is still the best but they're close

[buoyant flume]

huh I always thought Momus was the best, I barely used Circe bc positioning is hard

[nova oar]

Momus is the worst

Especially after it got nerfed for 1.0

[verbal rampart]

Well I must be a strange player because in my pre-1.0 file I did better with Circe staff than Mel staff but that's probably because I don't use my special that much

[nova oar]

Mel got the first 67f clear and in general it requires less setup and specific boons than circe

[minor eagle]

Its what im most used to thats how, i can barely play anything on a keyboard but it'd probably come naturally to you

[nova oar]

Also turns out I have just over a 50% clear rate of both surface ad uw, pretty happy about that

[slim pike]

Momus isn't bad, but boy does it have competition from the other staff aspects

Circe is honestly disgusting

#h2-victory-boasting message Two top damage sources on this

[nova oar]

Yeah it's insane

[slim pike]

(also lol at dash strike outperforming basic attacks because I rolled melting swipe)

The leash doesn't seem like a big deal compared to twincasting, but....

[nova oar]

Also got swipe but underutilized leash

[slim pike]

the leash does a great job at being an early game booster

gives you a leg up while you're still assembling your build in a way that something like Supay sorely lacks

pairs with AQ, strips wards, penetrates

[nova oar]

I was running gale so crutched on gigaros

[slim pike]

if ever there was a vow that lowered your aspect rank, circe would probably be the clear top tier when using that vow and I don't think it would be close

[nova oar]

Absolutely

[neon barn]

This woud be nasty tbh

There are already so many vows that make it hard for the mana heavy weapons to get going too 🙁

[slim pike]

it's a bad idea for a vow

it basically kills all Mel aspects, for a start

[nova oar]

And morrigan/nergal

[slim pike]

nergal, maybe, morrigan would be fine

final slice would still be crushingly effective

Shiva would be largely unaffected, Supay too

[minor eagle]

Ive heard alot of people mention final slice with morrigan, may i ask why?

[slim pike]

because the morrigan combo is only two attacks long,

[minor eagle]

Oh yea

[slim pike]

and the combo is 11x3, then 33x3 with no modifiers

make the second one have +300% damage and a bigger area and it's a monster

[minor eagle]

Okay yea now i get it, thx

[slim pike]

it's honestly surprising it didn't have a variant upgrade for that

in the same way the amazing Exhaust Riser gets replaced with the absolute dead-draw called Mooncrest Riser when using Shiva

[nova oar]

My enjoyment of shiva would be greatly affected

[slim pike]

well, +3 hits on dash strike for shiva would be absolutely busted

so they were right to give it a variant.... but +40% additive damage and +20% radius? This ain't it chief

just.... give it Dashing Heave

[nova oar]

Can confirm

[slim pike]

exhaust riser basically is dashing heave in that it just doubles the number of dash strike hits for its respective weapon

and then mirrored thasher comes along and doubles everything

and then trick knives comes along and shows you how it's done

[nova oar]

Exhaust riser is just coat trick knives

[slim pike]

Add in wave strike and you can cosplay as a lawn sprinkler

[nova oar]

Real 😭

[slim pike]

or flame strike and cosplay as a firestorm

[nova oar]

Probably a hot take

But I think that heinous affront is the best duo

[slim pike]

ideal for delivering the sickest (freezer) burns

[slim pike]

Best Duo? No, only when it's a Trio does it pop off

[nova oar]

It's still technicall a duo, and even with just vengenance it's reall good

[slim pike]

nah, that's placebo honestly

those lightning strikes are so spaced out... honestly I find it better with visceral impact to just make MORE BLOOD

(Unseen ire does proc though, just sayin')

[nova oar]

Fair, it's definetly the duo I enjoy the most

[slim pike]

oh I love it, just vengeance is ugh, doesn't even work nicely with double strike

[nova oar]

So true

More people need to use antler its way less risky than you think

[verbal rampart]

I know it's just me being bad at the game ok? 🤣

[nova oar]

Just try it, your eyes will be opened

[verbal rampart]

I will try it again, but not now

[smoky scroll]

Ngl scylla vow of rivals is soooooo fun

[nova oar]

GRAVE THIRST CAN YOU STOP PICKING AXE EVERY OTHER RUN

[nova oar]

It sucks until you get good at it so now I also find it fun

[smoky scroll]

Best one of the vow of rival fights ive seen so far

[nova oar]

I'm so close to no hitting it, but my favourite is still cerb

[smoky scroll]

I disagree i was getting my ass beat but it was still so good best one ive seen so far i hate eris vow of rivals

[nova oar]

Which is really funny cause rivals eris is stupid easy and sirens is stupid hard

[smoky scroll]

Eris vow of rivals just increases everything I don't like about the fight with eris

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/millimetres-away-from-hitless-vor-redacted-ZuZxRIg My best sirens run

[slim pike]

Have you considered Scythe?

what about Oar, or maybe Maul?

[smoky scroll]

I dont like lava i don't like chasing her down to fight i dont like having to run more then fight so while she is easy im not a fan

[nova oar]

I need to do nergal 40f first, i'll be done with all axe aspects 40f uw then

[smoky scroll]

I think runner up for least fun ive seen is polyphemus

[nova oar]

In the process of 40f all aspects and sub 7.30/sub 10

[nova oar]

Your 2 least favourites are considered the two easiest

[smoky scroll]

Ik its funny af lol

Even with rivals poly is still piss easy

I really liked hecate fight but i wish she was a little bit stronger

Like turn the dial up 1 more notch and its perfect

[nova oar]

Time to play scars 3 40f

[nova oar]

You've clearly never played 62f

[smoky scroll]

Not as fun as scylla because like whats more fun then having the boss sing while u fight unless its kh

[neon barn]

my sweet summer child.........

When other vows are added, even the first rivals fight become difficult

[nova oar]

Poly absolutely doesnt tho, just hec

[smoky scroll]

Sisyphus is that u?

[nova oar]

Perhaps

[smoky scroll]

Ngl biggest crime in this game is no band with orpheus erydis artemis and Apollo

Like after hearing that high key id be complete lol

[nova oar]

eh i don't like the music in this game anyway

[smoky scroll]

I wanna say how but hey to each their own lol

[verbal rampart]

Maybe a Strength / White Antler / Raki / Mel Torches build

[smoky scroll]

Goddddddd rock and a hard place goes stupid hard

[nova oar]

Doit

[verbal rampart]

Maybe a Strength / White Antler / Raki / Mel Torches build

[neon barn]

wait really

[verbal rampart]

As you wish, next time I play

[nova oar]

yeah lmao i play with no ingame sound

[neon barn]

I usually turn off the sound but for hades2 and another game I made exceptions lol

[verbal rampart]

I understand that they changed of style for Hades 2 but the heavy metal tones of the 1 were better

[nova oar]

I greatly agree

[foggy sable]

I love heph's godsent lines

[verbal rampart]

Par exemple?

[buoyant matrix]

'ave this hammer up your arse mate!

(he does NOT say that)

[verbal rampart]

Still, it sounds like him

[slim pike]

Wrong dialect

try "Stick this where the sun don't shine"

[red dragon]

Is there a boon selling device between the regions on surface?

Like in the underworld.

[granite wigeon]

I think you have to get an encantation for it

[red dragon]

Hmm, i unlocked nearly everything, but i still can use molly for something. So i guess i missed that incantation. Any idea how to get it?

[granite wigeon]

Idk sometimes after a run stuff unlocks randomly

I don't know if there are hidden requirements or if it's just after x runs

Cuz like even after you've cleared many runs stuff unlocks sometimes randomly

[red dragon]

Ok, i did 400 runs, but not that many on the surface. This is prolly the only thing in the whole game i need to unlock lol.

[granite wigeon]

🤷‍♂️

[red dragon]

Thanks! Got one final goal to go. Already got 30k kudos with nothing to use it on haha.

[granite wigeon]

I only did I think up to 90 or so runs in hades 2 lol

[craggy totem]

You've got all songs and decorations, all familiar outfits, max relationships, fought max Rivals?

[red dragon]

Yup.

[craggy totem]

Have you tried ||pausing during Rivals Chronos||? I don't remember what's required in the incant that unlocks but

[red dragon]

Also all spirit mixer levels.

[red dragon]

That i'm not sure of tbh. I will try it for sure! Does it involve molly?

[craggy totem]

Most unfortunately, I am not sure

[red dragon]

It's the only ingredient i can use for something in the kudo exchange.

But at least i got some ideas what it could be. I kinda want to really 100% the game, felt weird i missed something.

Gotta say tho, it feels a bit off that something in the underworld unlocks a thing on the surface.

So it might even be 2 things i missed idk.

[minor eagle]

I usually dump psyche because you really do not need like any of it after you get max grasp

That and you get a fine amount in runs even without using frinos

[minor eagle]

I guess for shadow extraction so you can unlock supay but eh

[crude dragon]

Also for cooking Shadow into Moon Dust

[verbal rampart]

Also to maxx out Mel Staff

But indeed Psyche is very easy to obtain even without Frinos

[red dragon]

These are the runs. Chronos couldn't even cast his big stuff. 😄 https://imgur.com/a/C3wQUKz

I'm impressed how well hestia special worked on medea skull.

[fickle drum]

Wait a minute. Is Blitz just philosophically speaking this game's version of Doom?

[red dragon]

Almost yes. Ares falling knives are also close.

[fickle drum]

Falling knives aren't a delayed effect are they?

Does the one that instantly procs Blitz on rush include the initial dash?

So you can make something akin to a Merciful End build?

[red dragon]

They are, and they can become instant with a duo boon.

[red dragon]

Unfortunately it's really hard to make something as effective as merciful end. Dashes are not that fast.

The only thing close is medea skull with blitz on special.

[fickle drum]

Either way, dash, turn, strike, rinse and repeat.

Is how you'd use that boon I mean.

Provided the initial dash counts.

[crude dragon]

Yeah, even includes a Duo that makes it proc by dashing into enemies in the form of Romantic Spark

[verbal rampart]

There's a meme about the resemblance

[red dragon]

This one is tough to get it to work.

[fickle drum]

Demeter Hestia can also do a pseudo merciful end thing.

When Blitz procs I assume it is removed after the damage?

[red dragon]

Yup.

[fickle drum]

So the lightning benefits from origination.

[red dragon]

Yes.

[fickle drum]

What happens when the hit that procs Blitz also applies it?

[red dragon]

This is why medea skull with zeus special and attack with curse is so strong.

[red dragon]

Not sure if that's possible.

[fickle drum]

I mean does it proc then reapply, or does it apply then proc (in which case the application fails)?

[red dragon]

Apply then proc.

So you have to keep hitting with the attack/special that applies.

[fickle drum]

Hm oh

The second hit (unbuffed) from axe is 90.

So Furies by itself can't quite get it to 120.

[red dragon]

Maybe if you get a huge slow cooker infusion and the aphrodite +attack boon.

[fickle drum]

Well this would be with Zeus attack.

[red dragon]

This is why i'm not sure if it's possible, it might be.

[fickle drum]

Origination can easily make 120 out of a 90 hit though.

[red dragon]

Yeah but aphrodite has this boon that gives +attack with priming mana.

[fickle drum]

And Mel axe plus Furies can hit 120 easily too.

Oh that one.

[red dragon]

I just like using blitz with medea skull most tbh.

It's just as fast as using 1 move.

[fickle drum]

Well yeah but I'm trying to think of various axe scenarios.

[red dragon]

I'm no axe guy. 😄

[fickle drum]

Well, I'm not an axe guy either.

[red dragon]

Staff or skull, and i like aspect of shiva alot.

[fickle drum]

The axe special is a three hit I believe.

[red dragon]

Shiva hits like a truck, so might even get this blitz in one move working too.

[fickle drum]

I suppose if you do like a light charge.

[red dragon]

Or with the artimes crit on special boon.

[fickle drum]

Anyway, the axe special is a three hit of 20 each I believe.

Which means you can get 40 damage towards the proc for free.

[red dragon]

Could also go with charon axe and apollo legendary.

[fickle drum]

I don't have that capped and relying on legendaries is iffy.

[red dragon]

Legendaries drop quite often with the right arcana setup.

[old depot]

the ng+ thing says I can unlock secret rare dialogue that I may have missed but like. How do I know theres secret dialogue that I missed if its a secret?

[red dragon]

But to be 100% sure. Is there pools of purging on surface runs?

I heard someone saying it might, and can't find anything online.

[fickle drum]

I don't think it's secret, but certain pre ending dialog I assume is purged from the dialog pool. Not sure how important that is to you though.

[old depot]

Dont really care much about it no

[fickle drum]

You mean excellence? That only increases the rate by 50%

[red dragon]

Yeah, so you most of the time get the legendaries. It's all rng anyways.

[fickle drum]

7.5% instead of 5% isn't really most of the time.

And I'm not sure if 5% is too generous

[red dragon]

It's most of the time tougher to get all prerequisites.

[fickle drum]

I'm saying Excellence doesn't really change much.

And there's a good chance you won't even get 4 boons from the god you want except maybe in region 3.

But that's so late.

That said it might be interesting to try Ares' legendary for axe.

Can get some silly attack speed.

[old depot]

Idk it feels like anytime I go Zeus he just loves giving me his legendary it feels almost common

[fickle drum]

Maybe you're taking core boons out of the pool.

That actually helps a ton.

Also not qualifying for Zeus duos maybe?

[red dragon]

On 400 runs i indeed had runs where the legendary just didn't want to drop. But also alot where i had 3 legendaries. It's all rng.

[fickle drum]

Yes, so shooting for it isn't THAT reliable.

[red dragon]

If the game wants to be mean at you it just gets nasty on the boon drops.

You can shoot for it with keepsakes, i play with pom keepsake most of the time..

[old depot]

Im so sad we cant give nectar to echo

[red dragon]

You can.

[old depot]

its not giving me an option,

[red dragon]

Probably because you're at some part in the storyline.

[devout cairn]

after you speak to her

[red dragon]

Also that yeah.

[crude dragon]

Isn't it 10% base, so Excellence bumps it up to 15%?

[red dragon]

This is one of the weird things in hades 2 tbh.

[median plinth]

does the "gain shields each encounter" boon stack? I feel like at one point it only regained to the amount, but if I had existing shields above it, it stacked on top

[red dragon]

If you're talking about the hephaestus boon, then no.

The wording is you get +xx shield for each encounter.

[fickle drum]

Try talking to her and THEN gifting her

[fickle drum]

No idea. Etiher way it's not a lot.

[median plinth]

But if you don't lose any, do you keep all of it and then gain more the next encounter?

[crude dragon]

Trusty Shield isn't armor regen, it's just "have X armor every room"

[median plinth]

What if you have more than X armor to begin with?

[red dragon]

It just adds up.

[crude dragon]

If you have more, then it does nothing

[median plinth]

those two answers are different, right?

[red dragon]

It gives you more than the limit. But alway the same.

Trusty shield gives you xx amount of armor every encounter, but always starts over.

Also, i don't know 100% for sure, it always goes on top of your current armor.

So you can protect your arachne bonuses.

[floral quest]

Hey

[fickle drum]

Temporary armor is used up before non-temporary armor.

[floral quest]

can you farm night skulls by doing fear12 runs? do the stands endlessly appear?

[fickle drum]

So temporary armor is always worth.

[median plinth]

so say you have base 40 from arachne, you get +20 every encounter. Now you have 60. What happens if you go to the next encounter having taken no damage? Do you get 80? What if you go to next encounter taken 10 damage? 30 damage?

[red dragon]

Trusty shield is temporary, just for the whoe encounter.

[fickle drum]

Yeah and it's used up before non-temporary armor right?

[red dragon]

You keep getting 60.

[fickle drum]

So you still get the temporary armor. And you don't get penalized for already having armor on top of that.

[red dragon]

Yup.

[median plinth]

ok, so if I drop to 30, next room I get 50, and that's my new "cap"

[red dragon]

If you get hit by 30, you lose 10 of your non temp armor.

So next encounter you get 50.

[median plinth]

that would explain why it seemed to continue to add up, I was probably getting hit a little

[fickle drum]

Same happens with security system.

[red dragon]

Security system is just for 10 seconds tho.

[fickle drum]

That huge burst of armor you get at the start, if you take any damage, it goes out of that first. Then when time runs out, it goes back to what it was before you got it.

Unless you already lost it obviously.

In general Security System just means "You get to go ham for a few seconds at the start of each encounter"

[red dragon]

You're invincible..

Imagine getting hit for 200 in the first 10 seconds of any encounter lol.

[fickle drum]

Not impossible, but yes.

[craggy totem]

Seven seconds only iirc, 10s is Hydraulic Might

[red dragon]

Oh right, i was not sure about it haha.

[craggy totem]

That being said, Security System + Heavy Metal also gets you a bonus "we have Hydraulic Might at home" effect

It protecc and it atacc! (albeit for a shorter time period)

[red dragon]

Heph is the strongest of the gods anyways.

Zeus is easiest to get a strong build with, but when Heph rolls, the game has problems.

[fickle drum]

I mentioned this the other day but Heph is not so much build defining as it is build overriding.

[red dragon]

Oh it is defining for sure. When these blasts start hitting, everything dies in an instant.

2nd phase chronos, oh, 2 hits, bb chronos. 😄

But it needs a heck of a lot investment and things to go right.

[fickle drum]

I'm saying it's more like it's build overriding.

Like if you have enough Heph it really doesn't matter what else you have or what weapon you're using.

[red dragon]

True. He's the king.

You still need posei and hestia to make it really work tho.

[fickle drum]

Start with Heph attack or something, then aggressively reroll for nectars and poms.

Then slowly add more Heph boons and work towards some cool duos.

And hope for Pom Pom Pom.

[red dragon]

Why even bother? Go for pom keepsake, get normal heph attack. Use narcissus vial to get it heroic.

Heroic lvl 4 heph attack is 2 seconds.

[fickle drum]

Because that requires RNG'ing into Heph.

[red dragon]

Yeah, this is why i only run pom keepsake.

I just look at what the first boon gives me, decide on what weapon then.

If it sucks, or i get selene, i die, do next run.

[fickle drum]

Decide on the weapon after you're already in the run?

[red dragon]

Yeah, i choose a weapon at first, but if the boon is perfect for another, i undo night, pick the good weapon.

[fickle drum]

I suppose that's an intentional mechanic, but I'm still not sure if I want to rely on that yet. Besides, my weapon is already locked in before the run even starts.

Like, I can't just reset and grab a different one, I won't get grave thirst.

[red dragon]

Like i go in with medea, then see zeus epic cast. I undo night, get circe, get the cast.

[fickle drum]

Yeah I understand, we each have our own style of doing things.

[red dragon]

I just don't like omega moves and selene stuff very much, so i most of the time reset/die when i see those.

[fickle drum]

Most godsent hexes actually go kinda hard.

[red dragon]

I just like mashing buttons more.

[fickle drum]

Do you know if Selene is exempt from the "No olympian keepsake" rule?

[red dragon]

She is no olympian.

[tranquil wren]

yep

[craggy totem]

Just juice up your coat omega special with a bunch of +magick cost boons and you can mash all you like ;P

[fickle drum]

Cool, so moonbeam tech is definitely possible.

[red dragon]

I've tried going there, had some nice builds indeed. But it's quite a bit of luck getting something good. Shiva omega special is insanely fast tho.

Also sometimes i try to go omega cast on circe.

But you really need a good winner's circle to get that to run well.

My current goal is to run Ares cast on circe, with apollo and heph duo.

I think that can do alot of dmg. Heph cast on circe is a bit of a let down, since it's not counted as a blast.

[crude dragon]

Moon?
Gold!

[fickle drum]

Gold?

[craggy totem]

Yeah, most of the time omega moves that cost that much take so much longer to channel.

[fickle drum]

Heph Cast is just generic slow ticking DoT and only while in area.

[craggy totem]

Coat my love <3 fast lil buddy <3

[fickle drum]

I don't even think it has any real interactions other than being damage.

[red dragon]

Shiva is my fav, yours?

[fickle drum]

Shiva Omega Attack takes a while to charge to full but you don't have to charge to full.

[craggy totem]

Good old Mel's my fave, but they're all good coats, Brent

[red dragon]

Shiva special is almost instant.

[craggy totem]

NGL I could stand to work on my Shiva more, but my Nyx and Selene are soooo close that I can't resist the temptation

[red dragon]

Not 100% sure, but i think omega special on shiva uses the heph blase every hit.

[tender oracle]

at least it's funny with circe and charon i think

[red dragon]

Nyx is the one with the rush omega right? I always get hit alot with that one lol.

[craggy totem]

For me as Captain Clumsy, the main issue is just figuring out how and when to work in the gimmick, since it takes so much longer to channel omega sprint than special, and you do have to sort of control your movement more finely rather than the more granular, atomized movements of dashing that I'm used to

It would be easier to play it as just a slow Mel coat but then what's the POINT 😭

[red dragon]

This is exactly why most of the time i ignore anything omega lol.

Sliding attack -> special on controller most of the time works alot better.

[craggy totem]

Well, for something like Momus, I find it pretty easy for me to decide when to omega on that -- between spawn waves or whatnot. But you can stand still to do that, yk?

(Though tbf... I'm not sure, but I think staff special omega channels faster than Nyx sprint)

[red dragon]

Yeah, standing still alot of the time is suicide.

[craggy totem]

Not between spawn waves it ain't :P

[red dragon]

Yup.

Thing is, this is how hades 2 gameplay nailed it perfectly.

Hades 1 was a bit shallow on this part, yet it fit me prefectly tbh.

Gotta say tho, i was really hyped to try aspect of hel, but that one actually let me down alot. That omega special takes just way too long to charge.

I wish they would buff that one.

[neon turtle]

That's helping higher Max health have affect the health I have after death defiance?

[craggy totem]

You can still play decently with the normal special and attack, you just don't get the Valk mode benefit of the attack speed boost

[tender oracle]

has anyone in the history of ever used hel's omega attack in a real run

[red dragon]

Normal special and attack feel a bit low on dmg, maybe hestia is good on attack idk.

[craggy totem]

They are low damage, yes, and you do have to build around that

[red dragon]

Hel attack omega fires when you just fire with it right?

[tender oracle]

yeah and it takes forever to charge up
not to mention that valkrie disables it

[red dragon]

I guess it's the most tough to get to work aspect ingame.

[craggy totem]

What about Supay ;P

[red dragon]

Shiva is also quite tough to get to work like it should, but at least the attack/special hit like a truck.

[craggy totem]

Shiva's fine yeah

[red dragon]

Supay with zeus or posei rush is easy win.

I really like going supay with posei rush.

[old depot]

I was without any attack or special boons all the way until the mourning fields because rng was that bad. I miss Sisyphus

[tranquil wren]

really? it works well but I hate how breaker rush has to be reactivated

[fickle drum]

Yeah but you're supposed to use shiva special and shiva attack both right?

[craggy totem]

Turnin off auto sprint the moment you grab Breaker Rush like

[red dragon]

Just dash alot right?

[tranquil wren]

I'm never turning off auto sprint 😔

[red dragon]

Nah man, you have to get hit by omega special a few times, that makes your omega attack stronger.

[red dragon]

I never used auto sprint lol.

[craggy totem]

It does make Nyx a lot easier fwiw

[tranquil wren]

for me it's the best way to play for every aspect (EXCEPT supay + breaker rush)

[craggy totem]

It also helped me with my sheepball dodging, though I'm still bad at it lol

[tranquil wren]

in fact it's the first thing I turned on which helped me get out of the hades 1 dash spam mentality

[red dragon]

Gotta say, haven't played nyx alot with breaker rush.

[tranquil wren]

well it's more related to nyx omega boost

[craggy totem]

Yeah, I feel like Breaker Rush would actually be a bit of bad synergy on Nyx

[red dragon]

I never get hit by sheepballs, at least, sometimes when i drank alot or smt lol.

[craggy totem]

You want enemies clustered tightly together to take your omega sprint damage, not push them away

[tranquil wren]

frenzy2:

[craggy totem]

Oh yeah, I switched to Frenzy 2 a week or two ago. Though oddly enough, it's not really the sheepball that gets more more on Frenzy 2, it's the damn screamy Erebus ladies

Wailers are so fast oml leave me aloooone

[fickle drum]

....So you use them both?

[red dragon]

Wailers are nasty on high frenzy indeed.

[fickle drum]

Like is there something I'm missing here?

[cunning laurel]

nah you got it

[tranquil wren]

you said attack and special, not attacks and specials

[fickle drum]

And I heard you don't always need to fully charge the omega attack.

[red dragon]

For shiva normally yes, you have to do the thing. Yet i don't do the thing, most of the time i use special with a bit of attack. Not even omega. Only once to get the dmg bonus from arcana.

Shive omega special gives extra damage on omega attack for every time it hits you.

[fickle drum]

That's why I said you're supposed to use them both

[red dragon]

Yup, but when i put heph on special and attack, i nearly oneshotted chronos lol.

Without any omega shenanigans.

[fickle drum]

Well I did mention that Heph overrides other builds.

[crude dragon]

Yeah, if you're doing clangs, you're a clang build rather than any particular aspect

[fickle drum]

I did get used to taking Heph anyway because of its defensive options.

[red dragon]

You only push the clangs to be as hard as possible. Big crit is best, but hestia duo also works really well.

[crude dragon]

As does the Apollo Duo

[red dragon]

Apollo duo needs dazed right?

[craggy totem]

Erryone says that but idk man, if you're clangin' away on Selene I feel like that's still gonna feel a bit different from clanging on Mel axe

[buoyant matrix]

which one

[craggy totem]

We're talking Heph, so presumably, the Heph one

[red dragon]

Apollo/heph.

[buoyant matrix]

yes it does

[fickle drum]

Just because of the moveset, not any real properties of the weapon itself.

[red dragon]

Dazed on attack and heph on special medea might be strong af.

[crude dragon]

Yeah, which is easily achieved via the sprint

[fickle drum]

Daze on attack is only 20% chance though

[buoyant matrix]

only if you also pick dazzling display

[red dragon]

Yeah, but having to use sprint is a bit awkward alot of times.

[fickle drum]

If you want reliable daze, use the cast

[red dragon]

Cast might be the best thing, but then you can't really apply it much.

Heph blast remove it with duo.

[crude dragon]

It's got a really generous hitbox

[fickle drum]

I mean if it's removed you just place it again?

[crude dragon]

They'll get it back if they re-enter the cast

[fickle drum]

The hitbox is nice but the fact that you have to sprint period is kinda iffy. Unless you're playing Supay.

[red dragon]

I like the hestia and posei duo for heph more since it doesn't need any shenanigans.

Aphro duo is also quite good.

Apollo/heph duo is like the demeter/hestia duo. It needs quite some work to make it really good. Can't use it without thinking much.

Or the aphro/zeus duo. It's just awkward to first apply blitz then rush into it. Alot of times.

[craggy totem]

I think it's pretty good on like. Supay or any of the coats. Maybe Eos?

[red dragon]

Yeah, very specialized.

Yet i still prefer medea skull with blitz on special over any build with the aphro duo.

Merciful end feelings. 😄

[old depot]

I once got Aphro/hestia and aphro/poseidon duo at the same time

One hit with scorch and enemy is dead

[verbal rampart]

Having multiple duo boons feels like a bless from RNG

[old depot]

its counteracted by the runs when I get nothing at all so It balances out I guess

[red dragon]

I have that most of the runs tbh.

[verbal rampart]

Using the Queen Arcana?

[red dragon]

I never leave home without the duo arcana.

[craggy totem]

A DD user, I see

[red dragon]

I use dd + strength.

[craggy totem]

WILD

[cunning laurel]

dang

[red dragon]

Pom keepsake advantages.

[craggy totem]

I mean, I also use jpom fulltime, but I druther not be on DDs at my fear level

[cunning laurel]

yea having both just seems like -4 grasp

[red dragon]

https://imgur.com/a/NzchIGx

My regular setup.

[craggy totem]

You skip Persistence!? wild

[red dragon]

Yeah, i like the thrill.

Most of the time i don't get hit much anyways. Only when i play bad or my build is bad.

[craggy totem]

If you don't get hit much anyway then you could just be runnin Strength fulltime for the damage output bonus oml

[red dragon]

But then to get a full row of arcana?

[craggy totem]

For me the damage bonus (and DR) is worth ditching Queen

[red dragon]

Which damage bonus, i think i got all damage bonuses. The cast one, the one when less than 100% magick and origination.

[craggy totem]

The Strength damage bonus.

If you're putting on Death but not even using up your DDs, your Strength never takes effect

[red dragon]

True, it's just a bit of playing around with arcana, since i want to have max 2 of every number.

[craggy totem]

Hence, ditching Queen

Though I guess the maxiMom build would be ||Persephone skull with jpom and Queen activated lmao||

[red dragon]

I just like queen alot. haha.

[devout cairn]

god playing mel staff hurts my thumb, I should've changed the binds when i started but now I can never go back

[red dragon]

But yeah, i see what you mean. I might toy around with that. I just like have some security on getting these duos.

[devout cairn]

👴

[red dragon]

You play m+k?

[devout cairn]

controller

[red dragon]

I never have issues gliding over the buttons for mel staff.

You can use steam to make it easier tho.

[devout cairn]

tbh it's more fatigue than pain, I havent been playing much. The dash > attack > special infinite spam gets tiring

[devout cairn]

how so

[red dragon]

You can make controller setups in steam where you push attack and special at once, or dash and attack at once.

I know what you mean, i had some issues with it, but somehow i mastered it.

[devout cairn]

oh good to know, I might try that

[red dragon]

Hence i call it gliding.

[red dragon]

https://youtu.be/IDWwVmjqklw

[devout cairn]

ty

[crude dragon]

Divinity is the full row/column of cards, not Queen

[old depot]

After finding my favourite keepsake rotation its so hard for me to convince myself to pick any others >.<

[craggy totem]

Scroll up, we were discussing Queen

[fickle drum]

Anyway, I'm going to try my first Rivals 4 run today, wish me luck. I probably won't even make it past prometheus, but I'm willing to bash my head against this wall.

Repeatedly.

[craggy totem]

So the context is "how do you get both Divinity and Queen" and my answer was "I don't, I just get Divinity by breaking Queen's reqs"

[red dragon]

It's indeed either divinity or queen when going for fates whim.

[cunning laurel]

does queen help a meaningful amount

[red dragon]

You most of the time get any duo you want with the queen.

WIthout it you need a bit more luck.

[nova oar]

No

[broken glen]

I mean, it’s nice to have, since it’s a 0 arcana, but typically optimal builds won’t have it active (because of 1 cost arcana)

[rotund comet]

ok i FINALLY won a run with judgement & fates whim

[broken glen]

Sorceress and wayward prince are just so free, and swift runner is used for divinity column

[broken glen]

Gambling!!!

[red dragon]

Judgement with circe keepsake is actually quite nice.

[rotund comet]

i think the upgraded scylla fight without defiances was just throttling me the most

(and weird RNG)

[minor eagle]

Woe, 500 red charybdis projectiles be upon ye

[red dragon]

Rival scylla is indeed tough.

[rotund comet]

base scylla was the part that i got stuck on the longest

[minor eagle]

Gl

[rotund comet]

idk why scylla feels like the biggest difficulty spike

[minor eagle]

Its bcus there are 3 of them

I felt it the most with prometheus tho

[red dragon]

Also becaue it's 2nd boss.

Rivals hecathe i also very tough becaue it's the first.

[minor eagle]

Words of somebody who doesnt know rivals chronos

[rotund comet]

typhon was kinda a "whoops i won" because i stumbled upon a op set of boons

[nova oar]

Real

[red dragon]

Or getting ||zagreus|| in erebus.

[minor eagle]

He's easy just very scary

[red dragon]

He hits like a truck.

[minor eagle]

Typhon was the boss i died to the most but after i beat him for the first time i didnt lose a run until after dissolution of time so he wasnt that bad

[red dragon]

Typhon i barely ever die, unless i just tank his damage.

[minor eagle]

He's slow, predictable and if youve ever done em4 hades in h1 you know the fight

[red dragon]

He has these times where he does alot of dmg close to his face, and other fights he doesn't,

[minor eagle]

Without fear, with frenzy on much diffrent story

[nova oar]

Typhon is more annoying to antler than chronos because he can one shot you

[minor eagle]

Erm actually chronos can do that even without antler checkmate

[minor eagle]

🤓

[rotund comet]

hestia+aphrodite+posideon=passive dps

[minor eagle]

Yeah typhon isnt nearly as bad now and he doesnt even scare me on rivals 4

[rotund comet]

the thing that scared me was not knowing the hp

[minor eagle]

But at first he did scare me

Fr

[rotund comet]

but luckily that passive dps just made it so i could focus on pattern learning

[nova oar]

Rivals typhon is so much easier

[minor eagle]

Ikr

But he is harder than regular typhon atleast

[verbal rampart]

Rivals Typhon scares me so I pretend he does not exist

[minor eagle]

He is conceptually terrifying but not actually all that horrible

[rotund comet]

i think part of it is, by endgame you have the familiarity with weapons, AND your fully kitted out

[nova oar]

Timer can be a problem tho, if I lose to him above 50 90% of the time it's cause of that

[red dragon]

Rivals typhon only scares me because of the last part.

[solid cradle]

I think I get all the strength fans now

[minor eagle]

Babality is funny

Rip

[solid cradle]

oh 💔
anyways what I was saying is that the only thing I mess up in that part is the laser attack

[minor eagle]

Fair

[red dragon]

https://imgur.com/a/WCUYiDL

[nova oar]

Stand under his chin it won't hit you

[solid cradle]

oh yeah I keep forgetting that too

[minor eagle]

I just dash it

[cunning laurel]

what laser attack

[solid cradle]

normally I have no problem with dashing it but in the baby form I mess it up all the time

[nova oar]

Much easier to dodge on frenzy 2

[minor eagle]

The attack with the laser???

[solid cradle]

when he swipes across the screen with the laser

[cunning laurel]

i cant think of any lol

[nova oar]

How, dash is the exact same

[red dragon]

No spoilers on the typhon rivals fight today? 😄

[graceful dune]

Tounge Laser

[cunning laurel]

i swear thats a tongue am i crazy

[nova oar]

Tongue fires a laser

[minor eagle]

I dont think we've mentioned any other than it being harder, which was a given

[graceful dune]

It’s a tongue laser

[cunning laurel]

no way

[minor eagle]

Wait im stupid in every concievable way

[solid cradle]

no idea honestly, I guess I always kinda panic at that part lol

[craggy totem]

I just think of it as a tongue whip tbh

[verbal rampart]

At the end of the fight, Typhon is defeated. There.

[red dragon]

Or being the baby. 😄

[solid cradle]

always looked like a laser to me I'm not sure

[graceful dune]

Does typhon have a laser tongue or a extendo tongue? The real question of Hades

[nova oar]

It's a laser

[crude dragon]

Laser

[craggy totem]

Yore mums a lazer

[red dragon]

Typhon is a womanizer.

[rotund comet]

after doing judgement runs, id take strength over nothing. i just tanked no extra hp, no defiances, nothin

[verbal rampart]

Glamorous. Very "Heph-like" sentence

[red dragon]

I still don't have a clear answer to this. Are there pools of purging on the surface?

[nova oar]

No

[verbal rampart]

Apparently no

[red dragon]

Cool.

Then i can stripe one thing off the list.

I missed one thing that needs just moly to be able to completely 100% the game. So i think it's about the rivals chronos fight which someone mentioned earlier.

[nova oar]

You need to pause during it

[red dragon]

Yeah, i will try that. I hope that i finish it then.

I can exchange anything for kudos without it being needed anymore, except for moly.

[craggy totem]

I've fought Rivals Chronos three or four times and have plumb forgot to try pausing during the fight, every single time

I just don't pause during fights! It's not a reflex I have!

[red dragon]

I just get annoyed by these rivals fights tbh, mosty the hecate one.

[nova oar]

Why hecate, she's easy at low fear

[red dragon]

And if my dmg is bad, scylla rivals is a death sentence.

[minor eagle]

Are there ways to get more outside of tartarus

[red dragon]

Prolly because i'm impatient.

[minor eagle]

Bcus if so i do NOT know how ive never seen it

[nova oar]

Yes

[craggy totem]

You've got to use it a certain number of times, and you'll unlock an incant that lets you put purging pools between every region

[nova oar]

You need to purge I think 5 boons in tart

[minor eagle]

Oh, that sucks, bcus i basically never use it

[craggy totem]

If you don't use it then why do you want more lol

[minor eagle]

Why wouldnt i, i would rather have the option

[red dragon]

I just think with the vows there should be pools of purging on the surface?

[minor eagle]

No

[craggy totem]

If you desire the option to bench-press your muscular girlfriend, you must first exercise your muscles by bench-pressing smaller weights

[nova oar]

It makes no difference

[craggy totem]

Similarly, if you desire the option to purge boons between every Underworld region, you must first exercise the use of the Tartarus purging pool

[minor eagle]

Why would there be, underworld customs got changed to onion

[minor eagle]

True

[red dragon]

But tomorrow i'll go rivals 4 chronos with pause. I hope i get my moly satisfaction then.

Else i run out of options. I literaly got everything else unlocked.

[nova oar]

All the decorations?

[red dragon]

Yup, also all spirit mixer things, and music maker stuff.

Nothing to unlock anymore.

[nova oar]

Done 67 fear?

[red dragon]

67 fear not, but how could that need moly?

[nova oar]

Super secret ultra hidden ending

[red dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-are-you-absolutely-certain-are-you-positive-can-you-verify-that-gif-10549268703103241949

[craggy totem]

It doesn't need moly, she simply desires to pull you into high Fear nonsense like the very maw of Charybdis

[red dragon]

I just want to know what i missed which needs just 1 moly. So tomorrow i will know if it's this chronos thing.

[nova oar]

😒

[red dragon]

I was looking for all incantations that just need moly online, but even then i couldn't find it.

This makes it kinda interesting.

[craggy totem]

Yeah, there's not much in the way of up-to-date info about incants and requirements online

[nova oar]

No online information is up to date

[red dragon]

I noticed.

I'm also not so much of a 100% player, but this game i just kept on going, because it was fun to get everything checked. But now at the end i'm at this thing lol.

[median plinth]

I think someone mentioned this before and someone else said it might be an incantation that was removed

[craggy totem]

That was a specific thing with Iron and Shaderot, iirc.

Also if you didn't play EA then it shouldn't affect you?

[red dragon]

If this is the case, thanks for the info.

[red dragon]

I started a new save with 1.0

I did 250 runs in ea.

[median plinth]

#h2-discussion message could be this?

[red dragon]

I hope so.

I will do the pause thing at chronos tomorrow, if that doesn't work it's this.

And then i wouldn't even feel bad. I had tons of fun getting this far.

[devout cairn]

apparently zeus cast + heroic double strike + prominence flare + heroic success rate + meat grinder on Circe Staff is good nice humble run

[red dragon]

I had the same idea with heroic posei cast, geyser sprout, ocean swell, local climate. prominence flare, heroic winners circle, etc on circe. Pure insanity, even chronos half health in 1 blast.

[devout cairn]

kinda build im forever in search for on Charon Axe

[red dragon]

Circe staff has more options tho.

I ended up alot of time bonking with heph stuff on attack and special, not even using the cast on circe lol.

[craggy totem]

And that is why as far as castpects go, Circe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charon, ty for coming to my Thessaly Talk

[devout cairn]

true, i just prefer the axe's gameplay

[red dragon]

That happens.

[nova oar]

Charon is much more viable with different casts than circe is

[nova oar]

I disagree suprisingly

[red dragon]

My problem with charon is that it's hard to dash while doing the omega special on controller.

[craggy totem]

Is it surprising tho 😈

[nova oar]

Bold of you to assume I dash

[red dragon]

These buttons are just a bit opposite of eachother.

[nova oar]

You know my 62 is on circe

[red dragon]

Without dash you need a fast charging speed.

[nova oar]

I just have the top of my thumb on special and the middle part on dash

[nova oar]

I just tank the damage 90% of the time

[craggy totem]

People do be getting clears on aspects they don't love

But like idk. It's just more flexible, man.

[red dragon]

I might have to get used to that. Circe is just alot easier on that part.

[nova oar]

Yeah true that

[nova oar]

Me with every other axe aspect/selene coat

[red dragon]

I really like charon tbh, bit i always get hit so much, then die.

In hades 1 this charon axe playstyle was much better.

[nova oar]

Fr lmao

[red dragon]

Then you got the shield while charging.

Or was it in hades 2 where you got this shield while charging? idk

[craggy totem]

You get a shield on coat while charging

[nova oar]

You used to get a shield on axe special back in the day

[red dragon]

I played the most early access builds until the warsong update, then i took a break until 1.0.

Maybe i'm a bit confused because of that.

[nova oar]

Probably

[red dragon]

So they actually had this shield on charging on charon axe?

[nova oar]

I think so?

[red dragon]

And they changed it to this dash while charging thing.

[nova oar]

The dash while charging was always a thing, they just moved block to the coat

[red dragon]

I saw this omega block on attack thing a few times on coat hammers, just never used it.

[nova oar]

It's only good on shiva

[red dragon]

On shiva i barely use omega lol.

It does so much damage anyways.

Omega special is so fast, but omega attack so slow. So weird.

[jolly hound]

I just noticed the you died to Scylla music is the chronos fanfare that’s kinda based

[nova oar]

Unless you're playing over 50f you should mostly be using omegas

[red dragon]

Why would you? Regular special and attack do so much dmg. Just spamming them is enough to clear the game at a good speed.

I use omega special mostly once every fight to get the damage bonus.

For the arcana card.

[nova oar]

The omegas have a much better high end,I spammed omegas for my 6.28 pb

In general you just get way more damage from it

You can play it like a normal coat but it's kinda buns cause the dash attack is so bad

[red dragon]

Maybe because i mostly get heph on them too. lol

The special has this thing where it kinda flows with heph special.

[nova oar]

What 😭

[red dragon]

Shiva special is kinda slow, hits hard.

So even when heph special doesn't blast it still hits hard.

[crude dragon]

Because cycling between the bouncy OSpecial and the nuke of an OAttack is kind of the main gameplay loop for Shiva

[red dragon]

Yeah, just like doing the weird thing with morrigan blades. While it's just way easier and more fun to just use attack.

[cunning laurel]

!

[crude dragon]

It's probably the aspect that takes the most advantage of Night besides Momus

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/91b9YuO like this

[crude dragon]

Not doing the Morrigan combos is also kinda heretical, but at least makes more sense than not engaging with Shiva's mechanics

[red dragon]

This is a slow fight tbh. Not sure on how much fear it is on. But i did it way faster, also chronos 2nd phase was just 2 oneshots for each half.

[nova oar]

It wasn't meant to be a fast fight I was showcasing the cycling but go off

[cunning laurel]

was a really safe fight though

[crude dragon]

I forget, does the copied OAttack from Exceptional Talent get the full benefit from Shiva stacks?

[nova oar]

It doesn't

[crude dragon]

Man

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/iHVt2EC This is a fast fight on morrigan

[nova oar]

Neither does apollo legendary

[crude dragon]

Exceptional Talent is his Legendary

[red dragon]

Now that's fast. Nearing wide grin medea skull kinda fast.

[crude dragon]

Wide Grin on Medea is really bad

[devout cairn]

i get whiplash everytime saint drops a new take

[nova oar]

Wide grin medea is slower than normal medea what

[red dragon]

Wide grin is good on exactly that fight.

[nova oar]

IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED

[crude dragon]

Yep

One of the two I know by name, the other being Heph's Premium Service

[nova oar]

Normal medea clears wide grin in dps

[crude dragon]

You genuinely never want to take it, because looping the explosions by only pulling 1 pin at a time is far better DPS

[nova oar]

It's still worth taking cause 4 stacks of destructive per ospecial and extra damage but could be better

[red dragon]

I lost the vid, but i saw a wide grind vid with some hitch stuff, literally demolishing that boss in 1 hit.

[crude dragon]

Oh, I know, I'm just disappointed that it's not even more stupid

[nova oar]

Shiva deserves to be broken

[crude dragon]

See, you get it

[nova oar]

Shiva my beloved

[red dragon]

Thing is, just love how you can play these sick aspects on more ways.

[nova oar]

I need to get around to grinding and recording a sub 6 for leaderboard

[red dragon]

But also, i need to get more into speedrunning. I did sub 7 on hades 1, coached a big streamer to get world record. But this game i'm just way too casual. lol

[nova oar]

My best atm is a 5.30 on medea, but I can definitely go lower

[red dragon]

Impressive.

[nova oar]

My best surface time is pretty bad

[red dragon]

I saw foolish do his runs, he's the boss.

[nova oar]

Still over 90 seconds behind wr 😔

[red dragon]

Foolish is just too good to beat tbh.

[nova oar]

However i'm much better at phasing and naked antler

[nova oar]

He's on another level atp, noone can come close

[red dragon]

I also watch webs2d alot, also great runner.

[nova oar]

I'm done with high fear tho until I start running 62f surface with malkin, so after 40f all aspects and sub 7.30/sub 10 all aspects sub 5 uw will be mine

[red dragon]

I just wonder why guys like vorime and duunk are not running anymore.

[nova oar]

@thin laurel how's 62 blades going

[minor eagle]

Tried white antler for the first time. Got wrecked

[nova oar]

[red dragon]

Oh and Bablo used to be my favourite.

[meager walrus]

I mean its natural

Most people dont do the same thing forever and hades 1 is like a decade old

[nova oar]

Haven't you heard it's a dead game

[meager walrus]

There will always be old guard retiring and getting replaced by young zoomers in every game

[red dragon]

Also since the hades 1 races stopped that community kinda fell apart.

[meager walrus]

Zoomer (derogatory) 😡

[red dragon]

I loved the rivals races tbh, but it wasn't like before.

[nova oar]

Were you not there for the server lore

[meager walrus]

What lore

[craggy totem]

That's a shame to hear. I know that Crypt of the Necrodancer hung on for as long as it did due in no small part due to the racing events.

(I do love watching races but I swear I'm not being biased here orz)

[devout cairn]

The great live service war

[meager walrus]

Tbh I dont think hades is that exciting as a viewing experience most of the time

[red dragon]

Last rivals was a proper race too, foolish winning it easy. But it was a completely different vibe.

[meager walrus]

Twitch rivals was fun though

[nova oar]

#h2-discussion message

[meager walrus]

O

[nova oar]

This wasn't even the first argument

[red dragon]

Hades 1 races were way better than rivals races. Just straight up good racers, going hard.

I miss these times tbh.

[craggy totem]

IDK, people said that about CotND and I loved watching that stuff

[red dragon]

Hades is one of the best games to watch for speedrunning, since a run is 10 mins max.

[craggy totem]

Though they did run seeded

[red dragon]

Alot happening in every run.

[meager walrus]

Idk i dont really enjoy watching speedrun attempts that much

Perhaps live races with no resets is different since there is more at stake and no resets

[red dragon]

I mean the races mostly.

[meager walrus]

I did enjoy twitch rivals, though the production largely focused on the cool moments and got to jump around

[craggy totem]

That's what helped it for me, yeah. Watching speedrun attempts is so much resetting, but watching a race is very tense and exciting for me

[red dragon]

But on speedrunning streams there's always something to talk about. Alot going on in hades.

[craggy totem]

Like, you get into an awkward moment or a bad build? Well, you'll lose more time resetting than forging forward in most cases, when it comes to racing. So you get to see fun stuff happen.

[red dragon]

But yeah running for wr is mostly beating rng, so many resets.

[nova oar]

Frrrr

Hoping and praying for ares apollo and hera

[craggy totem]

Some of the most epic moments from ND races I remember are things like "the runner accidentally blew up their only weapon and has to play the entire game weaponless until they can find a new one". You'd not be seeing any of THAT in a speedrun attempt hahaha.

[meager walrus]

Why dont the hades 2 devs just make a game that has a thriving community despite not being a live service game and getting zero dev support after release? Are they stupid???

(This is why slay the spire is the goat, it somehow has a reasonable size community despite being a single player game with zero updates in years)

[red dragon]

Hades 1 had quite some patches after launch, i still remember the seastorm nerf for example.

Not sure if they will do patches like that anymore.

[nova oar]

I think h2 will maybe get one more update at best

[meager walrus]

Yeah i think 1 more update is about what I would expect

[craggy totem]

If it only changes ONE balance thing, which ONE balance thing are you hoping for

[red dragon]

Medea skull nerf.

[nova oar]

Selene rework

[meager walrus]

Falling blades apply wounds on hit

I would also take a pan rework

[red dragon]

Heph cast = blast.

[nova oar]

Unseen and excellence reduced to 4 grasp

[craggy totem]

🗞️ that's two, ma'am

[rotund comet]

some of the hiden aspects deserve a buff

[nova oar]

All of them are really strong what

[red dragon]

Aspect of hel.

[meager walrus]

Graphic 50 hour romance storyline between Mel and commander skelemeus

[craggy totem]

That's content, not balance ;P

[nova oar]

Ok except for maybe hel, it needs to work with more than 2 attack boons

[meager walrus]

Hel would work with more than 2 attack boons if omega attack existed

[red dragon]

But seriously, how much i like medea, it's just too strong.

[nova oar]

Real

[meager walrus]

I think medea needs a balance change too. Give it back +90% cast damage

[craggy totem]

I feel like maybe if the channel speed was just sped up for both special and attack omega moves on Hel, it would go quite a ways toward addressing people's issues

[rotund comet]

too many op options is better then less op options imo

[meager walrus]

Maybe hel attack should be a 3 round burst on button press and then if you hold it then it transitions immediately into omega attack

[craggy totem]

Leaning into the "skull torch" thing?

[meager walrus]

If you want to keep doing bursts just tap the attack button or turn on autofire

[red dragon]

Yup, but it just feels like why not play medea, the rest is weak.

[nova oar]

Yesss

[crude dragon]

Making Wide Grin work on Mel Skull

[craggy totem]

TBQH I feel like that's almost more of a bugfix lmao

[rotund comet]

i don't like medea, i tried it

[nova oar]

Make tidal ring stack with circe like every other cast

[craggy totem]

Like damn what do you mean Wide Grin doesn't work 😔

[red dragon]

Try binding attack and special to 1 button.

[nova oar]

Did you play it properly

[craggy totem]

Tidal's another where like. Surely that can't have been on purpose.

[crude dragon]

Hel could use some love so it's not pigeonholed into a single build

[crude dragon]

How are you playing it?

[rotund comet]

looked up good medea strats, just not how i like to play the game

[nova oar]

I said except hel like right after

[red dragon]

It's like playing merciful end in hades 1.

[crude dragon]

I would also appreciate Shiva being a bit less MP-hungry, but it's not a huge deal

[rotund comet]

i prefer weapons with a little more range

[craggy totem]

I agree that Shiva is okay as is, yeah.

[rotund comet]

and aside from the omegas, medea is all about rushing in

[crude dragon]

It's all about going face-first into danger, yes

[rotund comet]

im trying to get the hang of supay now

[red dragon]

Medea with faster special hammer. 😄

[red dragon]

Supay can get annoying with a less optimal build.

[nova oar]

Buff Shiva

[rotund comet]

i play cookie clicker, wide grin is almost a waste on me

[long silo]

supay was a mistake

[nova oar]

In what way?

[long silo]

so was the entire coat, every aspect. they arent even part of the game from my perspective

[nova oar]

Coat my beloved

Except selene we can get rid of that one

[red dragon]

I'm going to look for my coat, in my bed. Good night folks!

[meager walrus]

Selene is the coolest coat

Imo nyx is the least interesting one for me

[nova oar]

If it's hex was better I would still disagree with you because y'all know i'm a shiva stan

[storm glen]

real news

[rotund comet]

supay is kinda weird, just standing there unable to attack

[meager walrus]

I like supay but it needs some minor buffs

[rotund comet]

i think i need a rush boon

[nova oar]

Supay is like the other hidden aspects, it sucks until you learn it and can be unintuitive

[nova oar]

They either need to go all in on rush damage or buff the base power

[meager walrus]

I ideally want to see omega moves buffed on supay

[nova oar]

Fair point

[meager walrus]

Right now the flat damage soup thing is too strong and everything else too weak

I would like to see the omegas be stronger and stun enemies

[crude dragon]

It'd be nice to see the base power for the attacks and specials get buffed

[meager walrus]

So that people are more incentivized to build magick and use omegas on it

[crude dragon]

I know there's a hammer, but said hammer is only +5

Or, if you get Icarus to upgrade it, +8

[rotund comet]

i feel like supay is gonna become my fav flames aspect once i stop dying to the first few boons

[jolly hound]

idk I get the idea it still seems pretty mid

[nova oar]

It can be really strong but starts off super weak

[jolly hound]

So what can it do that other torches can’t

[fickle drum]

You know what? While Strength is scary, it does force me to play better.

I don't even mind that I lost to Poly.

[nova oar]

It's much better for flat damage soup

[storm glen]

afk

[thin laurel]

honestly I feel like supay is pretty bad for afk, no hitstun means enemies can just walk up to you and go Bonk and then you die.
but one button gameplay lol sure

[minor eagle]

I have done a white antler run that succeeded

[nova oar]

YEES

[minor eagle]

Didnt even use a single death defiance so like why did i even bring these things

[fickle drum]

That said, I really need the bones so I might go back to Toula and Death.

[tranquil wren]

someone posted an afk supay run in victory boasting earlier today

[nova oar]

Do you get it now

[minor eagle]

Do i get what

Also yeah supay supremacy, i did it with supay

[nova oar]

Antler

[minor eagle]

Ah, sure. Heavily depends on the weapon tho

[thin laurel]

ooh neat. not something I would ever personally want to try tho, and idt the average supay experience is afk gameplay

[thin laurel]

I’d kinda say it depends more on your boons than weapon
I’m less likely to take it if either 1) I have no defensive boons so it’s scary, or 2) my damage is primarily coming from things that can’t crit (i.e. basically just scorch and I guess blood triad)

[minor eagle]

True

[thin laurel]

but trusty shield + nitro boost + snow queen? very tempting to click antler on any weapon ngl

[minor eagle]

I only had snow queen and gale tbh

[jolly hound]

idk maybe get a Hera dash with jpom and see if I can win with that alone

[minor eagle]

But i did have my goat lunar ray shield

[jolly hound]

the Goku button

[storm glen]

i feel like so many players have had fheir edgy antler phase

[thin laurel]

on supay? bosses will suck, but room clear will be fun.
for room clear with nexus rush, hit bulky/armored enemies first. they’ll take hitch damage when you oneshot other enemies

[nova oar]

:3

[thin laurel]

it’s not a phase (I say gothically)

[storm glen]

where theyre bridging the gap between casual and serious and during that time theyre all like OMG ANTLER IS THE BEST MOST UNDERRATED THING EVER GUYS

[nova oar]

Not underrated but it is actually the best thing ever

[storm glen]

you dont need "Propaganda" if it isnt underrated 💔💔

[nova oar]

I'm doing it for the bit

[storm glen]

ive seen this happen to multiple people somehow why does this keepsake do things to people