h2-discussion

[tranquil wren]

well, you can special spam
but yeah it requires like a tiny bit more thinking than usual

[fickle drum]

But it involves the fated list.

[rotund hearth]

Fair fair enough. I'll just do a low fear test in the underworld

[tranquil wren]

it's one of my favourite aspects because it interacts very well with casts, which is one of my favourite mechanics in the game

[rotund hearth]

So basically, enter a location, omega attack then cast and special then omega attack after it expires

[tranquil wren]

yeah, but definitely sprinkle omega specials in

need a decent gain boon

[craggy totem]

#h2-victory-boasting message

Omega special spam 🤩

[rotund hearth]

taking a lot of damage lool

[fickle drum]

So even though I didn't play into the aspect, I used zero defiances that night. Weird.

[tranquil wren]

yeah it's rough getting used to because your specials bring enemies to you, which is both good and bad

[tranquil wren]

time to switch to the strength arcana then

[fickle drum]

Nah

[devout cairn]

low fear is no biggie most things work

[sweet cove]

Bro you don’t use strength or origination, hard mode

[devout cairn]

wouldnt worry about things being the most optimal

[fickle drum]

I use Death.

Because I suck.

[devout cairn]

i switched to strength once I was clearing with no deaths consistently

[broken glen]

Honestly I find strength easier to use than death, because healing boons are worth more, and the best offense is the best defense

[fickle drum]

But I'm not

[broken glen]

The defense buff also applies to things like armor which makes Hephaestus more viable

[sweet cove]

Same here, life got easier when I got to use strength. I use death on high fear because I’m dumb enough to fail for OHKOs. You need to remember that death only recovers a fraction of your health, and strength simultaneously boosts your defence and attack simultaneously

[tranquil wren]

wait really? I actually didn't know that

[broken glen]

You just take less damage overall, meaning that armor is worth more

[sweet cove]

Wait what? Last time I played it two weeks ago armour does not scale with strength

[devout cairn]

wait really? I swear to god taking damage with armor feels like I switched back to DD, it's like a jumpscare

[sweet cove]

Oh

[broken glen]

Does it not??? Am I crazy?

[sweet cove]

Armour does not benefit from strength. That I am very sure.

[tranquil wren]

tbh I'm not sure, but I always feel like my armour vanishes at a much faster pace than my health bar

[devout cairn]

yeaaa...

[broken glen]

Dang

[fickle drum]

But the damage you take is reduced so 50 armor with strength is worht more than 50 armor without right?

[sweet cove]

It works like this for example

Enemy does 10 damage, with strength it will be 7. But if you have armour, your armour takes 10 damage

[tranquil wren]

wouldn't it be 6 not 7

[sweet cove]

Oh that was just a demonstration on how strength works, the numbers are arbitrary

[tranquil wren]

oh lol

[sweet cove]

But yes, maxed out it would be 6

[barren sedge]

Hmmm, interesting. But it makes sense that armour, that is a damage reduction mechanic, to not be affected by other damage reduction mechanics.

[sweet cove]

Armour is still viable solely that damage can’t penetrate it. And yes you are right

Like even if you have 1 armour and you got hit with 50 damage. Your health will be safe until you get hit again

[tranquil wren]

yea it's very nice for chroner's instakills

[dull whale]

Strength my beloved

[barren sedge]

Isn't that a case of 1 armour left, 50 damage hit> armour takes 1 damage, breaks, 49 damage left>calculate DMG reductions on melinoe?

[sweet cove]

In a way armour in itself is death defiance, embrace strength

[dull whale]

Face tanking ||typhon|| with strength and high HP is so satisfying

[tranquil wren]

no, like jakku said, armour is effectively a death defiance

so you can facetank 999 damage with 1 armour and mel will be fine

[sweet cove]

No, when your armour gets depleted you will be hit with armour break. It does not matter how much armour you have left

[devout cairn]

so when i was bragging about being a strength user and needing no DDs... that was a lie... i'm a fraud guys

[dull whale]

I learned the hard way how good armor is for that lol

[barren sedge]

Okay..... That's a good thing to know. Never experimented with it this way.

[dull whale]

Hey it's technically a DD that works with strength so that's fun

[devout cairn]

nvm armor never saved me from an instakill or a killshot, fraud status revoked

[fickle drum]

I might play around with Judgment for a little bit though. Once I finally get that damned feather.

[barren sedge]

So. Wouldn't this make the sash from arachne a decent pick depending on build?

[sweet cove]

Very.

[fickle drum]

The sash is good no matter what rofl.

[tranquil wren]

but I can almost guarantee you've used armour to stop yourself from dying when white antler is equipped

[fickle drum]

I regret maxing it out already V_V

[sweet cove]

Strength + Heph + Sash

[tranquil wren]

[barren sedge]

Why tho? What's bad about maxing sash?

[fickle drum]

Well, it means I'm not using it anymore for a very long time.

[tranquil wren]

manock wants to max every keepsake so they can't re-use ones already maxed

[barren sedge]

OHHH. I plan to max my keepsakes too, but with patience.
There's enough time

[tranquil wren]

my discordant bell will forever remain at 2 stars, and I'm very comfortable with that

[devout cairn]

I only used antler to max it out on low fear so no!!

[sweet cove]

I have never used that keepsake, I am very happy as a pure Eris hater

[devout cairn]

eris haters

[tranquil wren]

I love eris but not her keepsake 😔

[dull whale]

She's a fun character lol

People hate her but man what's to hate. She's literally strike incarnate. She was born to be the way she is. I think she's funny

But yeah her keepsake rip

[storm glen]

her keepsake is a gag gift it makes sense i guess

[dull whale]

Just don't get hit then it's good. Easy

But nah what it does totally makes sense based on her personality it's hilarious. I never use it either but yeah gag gift it works

[abstract depot]

Beat chronos again and i just read how insanely grindy it id to unlock all the rival buffs

[dull whale]

Honestly nah it's super quick

||you don't need to beat rivals 4 Chronos or Typhon||
Once you have rivals 3 unlocked, just do a run until the end win or lose and you get the unlock for all rivals fights

[abstract depot]

I see

[dull whale]

Yeah I was surprised that it just gives you the final stuff like that

[feral lintel]

chaotic hecuba is so cute

[fickle drum]

Oh great I randomly activated Origination

[floral quest]

Hey there

Anything I can dump for kudos after the credits roll?

[craggy totem]

Anything that isn't marked as needed can be sold. People also often use their accumulated bones to buy Psyche to trade for kudos, so you don't really need to worry about keeping that on hand either even if it's still marked as needed

[tender oracle]

any resources you don't need anymore (the game will warn you if a resource is still needed)
if you want to dump bones as well buy psyche then convert that

[floral quest]

wait... where is dora? I wanted to buy new card backs...

is in the main zone not where I need her...

[craggy totem]

She should be bottom left in the training grounds, on her own little area. Make sure you get close to her little green dot but don't actually stand on her

[floral quest]

was chatting up skelly lmao

[daring vector]

Is there a better method to like level up keepsakes other than spam running underworld 1 million + times?

[tranquil wren]

there's an incantation you can unlock that reduces the number of encounters needed to level up keepsakes

idk how you get that incantation though, it just happens naturally in a playthrough

[thin laurel]

if they’re close to max you can do a chaos trial 🤷
also yeah, that incantation helps a ton. I’d also recommend spreading out your attention between multiple keepsakes during a run, so your run is more likely to be an actual success (keeping zeus keepsake on for all 4 regions only gets you anything in the first region)

[fickle drum]

Oof, beat 'Metheus for the first time, didn't even use a defiance on him this time.

[thin laurel]

Congrats!!
I think he’s the boss who took me the most tried to beat during early access (altho I believe he’s been nerfed since then), and still one of my favorite fights in the game.

[queen pulsar]

Dw, I figured out a way

[fickle drum]

Welp. I reached the top for the first time, wonder how badly I'll do.

[dull whale]

You got this

[fickle drum]

Hm... He's rough, but I think I can do this with practice. I survived quite a bit.

[dull whale]

Surface final boss is definitely much easier than Underworld final boss. You'll get his patterns down and realize how free he is

[thin laurel]

definitely!
took me fewer tries than Prom, the fight throws a lot at you but he’s also just a big immobile target

[cunning ingot]

Hey, I just joined. im close to 100% the achievements in the game does anyone have any guide or I guess help in regards of the improbable odds achievement? Ive still yet to try it but any guidance before I lose an entire day of attempts would be great

[meager walrus]

Is that just 2 back to back all random chaos trials?

If so just play one of the 0 fear ones twice (whichever route you find easier), and get good

Not that much else to say besides that since the trials are random

If you really need something to practice, you should know the basics of how to play all weapon aspects relatively comfortably, and maybe practice a bit with antler as well

[cunning ingot]

Is it EVERYTHING? Randomized? Ive already got a firm grasp on all weapons and aspects, got all 3 statues but I do have like weapons and aspects I prefer so I guess just trial and error would be my best bet, if I lose the second run my guess is a full restart

[crude dragon]

It will also help a lot to get most of your keepsakes to rank 3, especially Antler so the HP penalty actually becomes worth it

[crude dragon]

You start with random arcana, a random weapon, a random pet, and a random keepsake for each zone

As well as a random god pool

[craggy totem]

The Arcana is the bit that sneakily screws you over the hardest imo

The other bits can potentially screw you over in a more obvious way, but the arcana.... that hurts

[cunning ingot]

I feel like a weapon im not as proficient might screw me over since one of my favorite arcana builds is Judgement. Wait you said changes through zones? Will i be able to change keepsakes between areas?

[tender oracle]

no death, no strength, no persistence, no origination
go

[craggy totem]

random keepsake for each zone
You do not get to choose.

[tender oracle]

can it roll the same keepsake twice tho

[cunning ingot]

Oh damn that might be a problem

[craggy totem]

I don't believe so.

[crude dragon]

You're also not guaranteed to spawn with Judgement

[grave gorge]

Random arcana, too

[crude dragon]

It can't, no.

[grave gorge]

On one of my runs it gave me strength AND DDs

On another run, it gave me neither

[analog cave]

is there any way to increase the chances of running into narcissus? he's the last person i have to max and he still has so many gifts remaining, night after night i go through the underworld without finding him

[craggy totem]

No.

[analog cave]

big sad, i run into arachne and echo pretty much every run but never him

just grinding it out now

[cunning ingot]

I feel like undo night once you reach Scylla and reroll at the Vows and try again maybe

[analog cave]

yeah might just start doing that

[crude dragon]

Would not recommend that

Rerolling your seed will reset your pity chance with NPC spawns

[analog cave]

there's a pity chance? that's good to know

[cunning ingot]

Huh didnt know we had a pity

[analog cave]

think i've done four runs in a row now without him, already done all oaths so it's literally the last thing i have to do

if his quest trigger wasn't kinda bugged would've been able to give him gifts way sooner

[fickle drum]

What is this icon with a percentage that sometimes appears next to the magick gauge?

[meager walrus]

If you are talking about what I think you are, its a general icon related to your aspect

Different aspects use it to track different things

For example on Artemis is shows the cooldown until your next parry, thanatos uses it to track the current crit bonus, etc

[slim fox]

how much more content does this game have?

[craggy totem]

Than what? And how are you measuring "quantity of content"

[slim fox]

than hades 1 and by content I guess the amount of customizability and things you can do

[craggy totem]

I suppose at least double, since there are multiple run routes

[fickle drum]

What about Thanatos?

[slim fox]

is it fine to play hades 2 even if I haven't beaten the first?

[craggy totem]

Absolutely, others in here have. It's not exactly a direct sequel, narratively speaking.

[fickle drum]

I mean it literally takes place after the first though?:

[craggy totem]

It's probably optimal to play them in order, as far as gaming experiences go, but you don't gotta.

[barren sedge]

Well, kinda.....
!!! Story spoilers ahead !!!
||Time traveling shenanigans and multiple timelines, making it not such a direct sequel||

[frank sundial]

recently reached 105 hours total of playtime for hades 2 💪

[craggy totem]

I mean, it's not that deep, it literally is not directly after the first game. People who make this assumption get very confused about some of the preexisting character relationships in H2 lmao

[barren sedge]

Yeah. It's also after a serious time jump.
Something like Naruto Shippuden. There, 3 years pass between.

It's also a matter of who are we following, since it ain't the same main character from hades 1

[fickle drum]

Trial of Doom ;_;

Nooo ;_;

[barren sedge]

its not a hard trial tbh.
and i tried it just cause: got a PB of 3:02

[fickle drum]

Bold of you to assume I am an epic gamer like you

[barren sedge]

here's the thing: i am not
i am usually bad at those games, and usually stagnate either when the true game starts

[fickle drum]

Well, good for you, that just means I'm too bad at this game to live

The engraved pin just maxed out, FML

I don't know how many times I died to the stupid sea horse in the last hour

[thin laurel]

oh huh. it never occurred to me that chaos trials actually have pbs, I don’t replay most of them

[barren sedge]

its a thing that unlocks after 20 trials i think. to replay them, and get some rewards. they also have like best time.

[thin laurel]

oh I mean I unlocked that feature ages ago (I’m coming up on 600 nights on my save file iirc lol *hours, actually, misremembered, 500 nights), I just don’t actually use it 😅

[meager walrus]

They made leaderboards for them on the speedrun site but the category turned out to be very unpopular

Like nobody ever chooses to submit times for chaos trials

[thin laurel]

makes sense I guess, I def have more interest in improving full run times than trial names
and chaos above/below doesn’t sound super fun to speedrun either, just extra rng

[fickle drum]

Ok after about an hour and a half of attempts I finally finished the trial. On the last second of the doom counter too.

[modest dirge]

yea the gameplay in 2 is a stepup so going backwards would make me a bit sad

[fickle drum]

And now I can't use the moros keepsake again until I finish maxing everything.

Or at least the ones I don't plan to be using regularly.

Like the god ones I don't really care about. Those will end up getting maxed at some point anyway.

[grave gorge]

These things might be my most hated enemy

[tender oracle]

personally i have beef with the turret dudes on olympus whose names i don't care to learn
and also every enemy with a shield

[fickle drum]

The trick to surviving those is to kill them.

[red fox]

That work for everything

[tender oracle]

you're so right

[grave gorge]

Oh
Yeah
Those things
&$!% those things

[nova oar]

The autowatchers are fine until you combine them with fangs

The trick to dealing with them is to ignore everything else and hard focus them

[prime rampart]

I got the aspect of ||supay|| from ||moros||. Can anyone tell me who reveals the other 5 without actually spoiling what the aspects are? (Just wanna know who i should keep an eye out for)

[red fox]

On npc who has name on aspect

Not including npc only appear post ending

[barren sedge]

Artemis, circe, medea, charon, selene iirc.
they do give out the phrases for the next aspects of the remaining weapons.
tho the steps are easier here: max out a non melinoe aspect

[prime rampart]

Okay, i thought so but i wanted to make sure. Thanks.

Ohh, maxing it out. Last game it was giving a certain amount of blood so i see where the issue was. Thanks again

[barren sedge]

It's just 5 ranks iirc. It's mostly about the resource needed, requiring multiple runs.

[crude dragon]

The code says it's getting a Nightmare-using Aspect to rank 5, but some people have reported that the Coat's hidden aspect unlocks through simply having 5 Nightmare invested

[frank karma]

hey yall I havent played since warsong and im hopping into the game again now that 1.0 is out. and I gotta say. I am loving the aspect of Morrigan, but i feel like im just fumbling around with it. does anyone have any cool build Ideas for Morrigan?

[lilac palm]

hey everyone, i have these animal crackers i can give to a beast, where can i find the beast to give it too

[tender oracle]

there's one right in the crossroads :)

[grave gorge]

^
also keep an eye out while visiting different places 🙂

[lilac palm]

i hope the beast doesn’t permanently die if i have it join me…

[grave gorge]

nope

[tender oracle]

nope! familiars are invincible

[red fox]

They eat insta kill attack like breakfast

[tender oracle]

well ||phrinos|| does anyway lol

[crude dragon]

Frinos in particular is so well-endowed, he can block projectiles for you

[lilac palm]

wait long shot but ||can i get cerberus as my pet||

[crude dragon]

You're not Hades

[frank karma]

nope

[tender oracle]

sadly no but there's an alternative you can get later

[lilac palm]

is there any particular pet i should save it for or is the resource to get familiars generously given

[grave gorge]

That's a Hec of a big ask

[crude dragon]

You can have a dog, and even dress her up like Cerby, but you can't have Cerby himself

[crude dragon]

The resource cooks up with a Nectar and the stuff you get from Chaos trials

So go nuts

[tender oracle]

you'll unlock an alchemy recipe to make more and it's pretty cheap so don't save em

[grave gorge]

There's five total familiars you can get. Make sure you always have a treat on you during your travels until you've collected all five

[tender oracle]

there's one in the crossroads, two in certain places in the underworld route, and two in certain places in the surface route
though two you won't be able to recruit until a bit later

[icy halo]

Yes I am! I'm Melinoë Hades!

Or possibly Melinoë Hades 2 by Sans Undertale rules

[analog cave]

has anyone made a list of all decorations and their unlock requirements? just randomly unlocked the musician's stage after thinking i'd unlocked everything and wondering if there's anything else i've missed

[icy halo]

Oh q: somebody here said the other day there's some super-rare situation with Circe keepsake and Circe gift where you could get a rank 5 arcana card, but I doubted them. Any idea where I'd find defined arcana ranks in the code? 🙂

[crude dragon]

You are asking the wrong guy about how to take a look under the hood

[icy halo]

Drat, I thought you might have meant you yourself had looked at the code when you said "The code says"

I dug around in the files myself but couldn't find the right bit 😩

[craggy totem]

I don't believe a complete (and completely up-to-date) list exists anywhere, alas

[analog cave]

thanks for letting me know anyway <3

[lilac palm]

wait what does frinos do 😭
he ain’t even fighting 😭

[icy halo]

Something much better than fighting!

[grave gorge]

He increases your max health, and he can block projectiles for you

[icy halo]

He gives you max HP!

Technically you can upgrade him to make attacks, but it's such incredibly pitiful damage that it's basically a joke upgrade

[grave gorge]

and! He auto-completes the spirit game so you don't have to sit there holding LB+RB

[craggy totem]

Most importantly of all: he a cutie

[lilac palm]

i did peep that

[barren sedge]

i just had a low fear one, with poseidon, hera, and hephaestus, and worked fine.
its strength is chaining the 3 hits quickly. i heard apollo attacks are also greats for location clearing

[lilac palm]

nah i need someone that can fight!

[icy halo]

Omg!! A Stardust and a Nectar to make Frinos do 10 whole damage!!!! It must be my birthday!!!!!

[lilac palm]

What does it mean when a gate has a finger with a bow on it

[tender oracle]

it has a resource that you need for a forget-me-not

[craggy totem]

One of the recipes/requirements you marked "to remember" has an ingredient or entity there

[tender oracle]

purple bow means you need more of it and green bow means you already have enough iirc

[icy halo]

Wow, really? I'm nearly 300 runs into this and I had no idea

[tender oracle]

each familiar increases the spawn rate of a certain gathering resource
frinos increases the spawn rate of lost souls (and also autocompletes the minigame)

[icy halo]

It is still funny that there's two familiars who let you skip minigames, and then the other three resources don't have minigames so they collect it pretty much just as you would anyway - and still lock you into place!

Why on earth did they keep "familiar resource gathering locks you into place" the whole time across EA into 1.0??? It's so weird!

[tender oracle]

hey! ||raki|| mines ores all at once unlike you who has to mine it three times 😊

[icy halo]

Gasp! What skills the little creature has!

Saved me two whole pressings of the same button! And barely any time because I have to wait for him to start anyway!

[pallid cradle]

Greatest gift of gaia mines every resource without me even needing to know it's there.

[icy halo]

Well some of us haven't finished every other thing in the whole game yet 😆

[pallid cradle]

Sports Illustrated

Tbh I think a patch finally gave it to me. I had been farming to get it for the longest time then after an update the game was like "oh this is a recipe you have now"

So idk if my save was bugged and not giving it to me even tho I had everything else done and all the pre-reqs or if that patch lowered the pre-reqs

[flint sail]

it took a while for me to get used to it when i got it. i was still getting the resources manually for a few runs out of habit . lol

[lilac palm]

about the black credit cards
how do i get more of them again

[barren sedge]

spend 1000 gold coins at charon's shop during your runs

[lilac palm]

oooh
no wonder cause i haven’t been buying from him latley… i’ll keep that in mind

[nova oar]

Why would you not be buying from charon

[grave gorge]

First attempt at a Mel Axe max health run
ended the run with 408 health, which... i can definitely do better

it was extremely cool seeing crits for 2-3k on the attack, though

[thin laurel]

yeah! you can def stack more with the right set up

[grave gorge]

There's a couple max health boons I never got

And I definitely missed a sea star proc.
I heard "have another!" as I was already jumping down the hole to the next Oceanus room and I facepalmed so hard

[thin laurel]

altho tbh hearty apetite is..... I mean it's fun but it's also a bit underwhelming ngl
400 hp to get less than the benefit of the Huntress arcana card is kinda wild 💀
but uncanny fortitude, spirital affirmation, water fitness, and maybe most importantly of all sea star can def get you up to 600 or so. also Frinos!

[grave gorge]

Oh it wasn't meant to be good
just dumb smashy fun

[thin laurel]

oh 100%, I've also done multiple mel axe hearty appetite runs

it's just a shame that it didn't leave EA with a bit more power behind it 😅

[lilac palm]

question
let’s say i take artemis boon for the first area
and then i switch it during the second
can i use artemis’s again in the third

[devout cairn]

you mean her keepsake?

[lilac palm]

yes

[devout cairn]

it's only active for one area for that specific run

[lilac palm]

fair enough
next question
if i use the keepsake that give me armor
then swap to artemis on the second
so i still keep the armor

[grave gorge]

also once you remove a keepsake it literally gets locked out so you can't put it back on

answer to your second question is yes, keepsake effects persist after you take them off

[lilac palm]

very interesting… 😏

wait is what i’m thinking even good or

i feel like in theory it would be but in practice idk

[tranquil wren]

wtf I just got this sick typhon kill animation

[little cipher]

Did you complete ||the dissolution incantation||?

[thin laurel]

you'll keep the armor you gained from it, but will stop getting extra armor per room
same with keepsakes like Silver Wheel which gives you a max magick boost, that persists even if you take it off

[devout cairn]

what kill animation

[dusk yacht]

Am I like super unlucky or just confused how the boon pool works. I just had a run where I got 4 Apollo boons in ephyra and didn't see a single Apollo boons again for the rest of the run. Do I need to fill out all 4 god slots for them to start reappearing? I ended the run with 3 different Olympians

[tranquil wren]

hold on I got a video of it

[craggy totem]

Just luck

[devout cairn]

nice pfp

[dusk yacht]

I'm looking at past runs and I hateee the surface I'm so bad at every boss and just the regular areas I've only prevailed 4 times out of my last FIFTY (50) surface runs

And they're all pre 1.0

[cunning ingot]

So I just unlocked the challenges in the Stone so the improbable outcomes prophecy says 2 all random chaos trials but the stone has Great chaos and chaos the difference being 20 random vows on the Great chaos trial while the chaos trial has no vows does can I do the chaos with no vows trial twice and get the achievement? Or does it have to be Great chaos trials?

[craggy totem]

No, they can be normal, non-great trials

[devout cairn]

actually was different, any boons with that effect?

[craggy totem]

Any two of them will work, just DO NOT do any normal runs or other trials between the two randoms

[lilac palm]

wait quick question so prime is a reduction… not a cap?

[covert badge]

its cap reduction

[cunning ingot]

Nice, thanks will update soon with either great news or tears lmao

[craggy totem]

It's like sticking some of your magick in a bank account that you're not allowed to take money out of, but it still counts toward your total amount for the purposes of boons like Uncanny Fortitude (which give you +hp based on max mana)

[tranquil wren]

I put some of the boons in the victory channel. I'll look at the ghost record keeper to see what else I had that may have caused it

[red fox]

Firework, mel celebrating

[tranquil wren]

nah, genuinely nothing I can think of
that's so weird

[devout cairn]

big mystery...

[tranquil wren]

wait do you actually know what caused it

[dusk yacht]

I do not like Hephaestus like at all. I'm trying to get his legendary because 4 hits before going berserk with nergal seems great but oml I do not like his boons

[devout cairn]

what

[tranquil wren]

oh I thought you were being sarcastic

[dusk yacht]

Me and my boy Apollo till the day I die 🤞 #favoriteboongiver

[devout cairn]

nope, im awful with boon names and even worse with icons i wouldn't be able to help lol

[tranquil wren]

dw I'm also terrible with icons 😔

[devout cairn]

he's kinda poopy with low level boons

but fun if you manage to max them out to 2 seconds cd

[tranquil wren]

the base cooldown is just crazy imo

but I guess there's a reason why it's like that. heph blasts are pretty good

[dusk yacht]

Oh they only max out at 2 seconds? I assumed it capped at 1

[red fox]

Can go to 1.35 with duo, but 2s normally

[dusk yacht]

I tried maxxing them out and saw a grand total of 3 poms the whole run 💔

[tranquil wren]

yea with seismic servo
it'll say 1s on the boon menu though I think

[craggy totem]

It's a lot less of a pain to max Heph out if you're running with post-ending keepsakes

[tranquil wren]

I think rarity matters more with heph though right?

[red fox]

Both matter

[dusk yacht]

I haven't gotten there yet I've beaten Chronos probably 5 times since 1.0 dropped but I can't beat Typhon I SUUUCK at the surface

[feral lintel]

idk if I wanna not spoil myself but I still don't have ||zag's keepsake (I have pom and watch)||

[balmy iris]

question, are ||champion of elysium rewards|| limited to poms, mystery boon, and path of stars?

[devout cairn]

what's crazy is that there is a cap, it should be unlimited imo

with proper scaling

[red fox]

Level 20 heph blast with -10s cooldown

[feral lintel]

it's been a while. I have ||fought him twice (won once, died the other time). Idk if I am supposed to see him in any other settings where I can gift zag||

[astral birch]

I have not played hades 2 for 2 weeks and i already feel like i forgot how to play it

[red fox]

Enemy are hit before they spawned

[dusk yacht]

Triggers 10 times every time you proc the explosion

[red fox]

Win more

[devout cairn]

like if i somehow manage to get hephs blasts to lvl 20 can i have it at like 1s or something? I deserve it!!!!

[dusk yacht]

We should be able to get double strike for Zeus above 100%

[craggy totem]

Starts hitting enemies that haven't been hit by any lightning bolt effects yet

[balmy iris]

chance based going over 100% doesn't math properly i guess

the lightning can hit harder but not faster or more often (other than double strike)

[craggy totem]

What if the lightning hits so hard that it hits enemies on the next level down

[balmy iris]

zeus can't see that dark

also, i wish zeus would pause the timer when attacking typhon because that's a whole 3 second animation spending the timer

[red fox]

He is god of lightning not time

[balmy iris]

yeah but if he did it then it would make sense for || chronos to also do it in rivals typhon||

[onyx monolith]

kewl profile

also you @tranquil wren im buying one of the castlevania collections soon

[tranquil wren]

nice! which one?

[onyx monolith]

the advance one cuz i like all the game covers on it 😭

[tranquil wren]

hell yeah, that's my fav too
circle of the moon's dss system is pretty cool and I like the storyline

[onyx monolith]

heck yeah i really like the art so im excited

[frank karma]

man, aspect of shiva eats

[feral lintel]

for the longest time, I thought that I hated mel skull

turns out that I actually like them? I think they got reworked some time and I didn't notice

Mel skull is actually kinda satisfying to use. Brainless explosions n stuff

[thin laurel]

yeah! update before 1.0 iirc they got a little rework
for a brief moment they were stupidly op lol, but I believe the max ammo and power bonus were lowered a bit in response to that

but they’re quite solid right now, and pretty versatile in terms of how you use them (altho they def want % on attack)

[frank karma]

yeah, fire rate, max ammo, and mel power were all nerfed like 16 hours after they buffed the skulls. it was an emergency patch lol

[frank karma]

I say as I die to Chronos

[lilac palm]

thanks!

question, why would you ever want to undo the night?

[tender oracle]

god
terrifying to imagine we could've lived in a world with mel skull meta

[tender oracle]

make a bad mistake early in the run? accidentally brought the wrong build?

[thin laurel]

yeah imagine one aspect of the skull dominating the meta unchecked to an absurd degree smh, that would be crazy haha
(medea floats ominously in the background, /j to be clear)

[frank karma]

i have a recording of a run i did with the mel skulls that day. it was bonkers

[grave gorge]

way later in the game you get the ability to re-roll the RNG seed that a run is built off of, so if you're really going for a specific thing, you can start a run, undo it if you didn't get the thing you wanted, reset the rng, and try again

[tender oracle]

this too

[grave gorge]

but that's not available till, like, after the credits roll

[tender oracle]

not even just that, it's locked behind postgame content too

[grave gorge]

personally I use it if I'm starting a jpom run and I see Ares as boon 1

[frank karma]

man it feels so weird being an early access person who is now out of the loop bc I stopped playing for a while during the warsong update

[thin laurel]

even before that, if you start your run and get offered epic demeter special you can undo night and switch to zeus keepsake and get offered epic zeus special instead lol, usually

[grave gorge]

true

[thin laurel]

we were two ships passing then because I was most active in warsong lol, I started in olympian but didn’t join the server or look into the meta until warsong

[craggy totem]

NGL even this far postgame I still have the occasional "wait I thought I was on a different weapon/aspect, whoops" moment lol

[grave gorge]

same

for me it's usually familiars

[thin laurel]

me entering region 3 of a speedrun attempt only to look down and see death defiances

[craggy totem]

The complete brain shutdown moment when I tried to spam Mel coat special and a bouncy Shiva grenade came out

[frank karma]

yeah ive been here since day one of early access but stopped at warsong until a couple days ago lol

[lilac palm]

question ||is fighting chronos in tartarus the final boss||

[onyx monolith]

yw :p

[thin laurel]

well, welcome back! have you gotten the postgame keepsakes yet 👀 and/or tried rivals + hidden aspects? I feel like those are the biggest meta defining things you missed

[craggy totem]

Yes, but you'll have a lot to do before it's final for good

[grave gorge]

-yes
-no
-all of the above

[thin laurel]

oh and circe getting reworked and ending up absurdly op.
a few other reworks too, like persephone skull, torches in general, OH GODSENT HEXES omg

[grave gorge]

but of a single run, yes, Chronos is the final boss of that run

[thin laurel]

lots of extremely fun stuff 👀

[lilac palm]

my first rouge game

[frank karma]

ive gotten all the hidden aspects, ive yet to take the hidden staff or the torches for a spin but ive tried the other four and I like them all so far

I've yet to roll credits

[lilac palm]

i think it’s called a rouge game
idk but it’s fun so far
i don’t know much about the intricacies of them

[thin laurel]

hidden staff is quite good
hidden torches are weird, and have been reworked, nerfed, and buffed SO many times in quick succession it’s kind of a meme lol

[tender oracle]

hidden staff and torches are probably the most different from their base weapons lol

[thin laurel]

skull is pretty different too tbh, hidden skull is just low-key a torch

[grave gorge]

roguelike, or roguelite

Rogue was a computer game in like the 70s that was basically this but in ascii, and games like it are called roguelikes.

[frank karma]

hidden skull is really fun

[thin laurel]

axe is maybe the most similar to the non hidden aspects overall…? it has a unique gimmick, but while it has diff animations the general role of all its moves is the same other than ospec
and it falls prey to the psychic whirlwind meta lol

[tender oracle]

yeah roguelikes
hades 1 and 2 are roguelites. which are like roguelikes but with more metaprogression

[frank karma]

what would even be good with the hidden staff?

like hestia maybe?

[thin laurel]

on-hit effects on attack
scorch, splash, blitz, static shock

[craggy totem]

Anything that's good for fast little hits is good for hidden staff, yeah

BUT ALSO Hera special with Shimmering Moonshot

[thin laurel]

the omega attack does quite good damage and you can focus on that with a % boon if you want, but it’s def an off meta choice

[tender oracle]

i feel the hidden blades are quite similar to the normal blades in terms of their actual attacks
the main difference is the gimmick, which you can say for a lot of regular aspects too

[thin laurel]

for speedruns you want % on special and to spam ospec, to take advantage of the aspect giving you channel speed and damage% for omega moves

[craggy totem]

There is a BEE in my BONNET and she is permitted to live there rent-free as long as she wants

(Dual is the more frequently recommended take for special hammers but shhh)

[feral lintel]

mel skull on typhon is so funny, you just facetank and regain your skulls instantly, feels like infinite skulls

[barren sedge]

Hidden skull is burst fire adamant rail from the first game

[feral lintel]

I guess that's why I love it so much

[frank karma]

the hidden axe just feels like a bonk stick

[barren sedge]

Wait till you get the: skulls apply omega effect on pickup but use Magick, with the Poseidon gain, that makes you recover it instantly for a few seconds

[feral lintel]

Rail was my favorite weapon in h1

[frank karma]

take aphro or ares and then go ham

[barren sedge]

It is a bonk stick

hidden axe.
When I use it I feel back in elden ring

[frank karma]

speaking of the axe. aspect of Charon is so peak I love it so much my beloved

[grave gorge]

bonk stick my beloved

zug zug

[barren sedge]

Imagine if we could have the aspect of Circe passive, with Charon aspect added up:

[frank karma]

this might not make sense but I remember back when I don't remember what Circe did bc it was so bad

like Circe used to be my least picked aspect by far

[barren sedge]

Well, rn, you get a second cast circle at the position of your familiar.

[thin laurel]

VERY VERY TRUE
I love charon, best axe, got me my first 62
also aspect of Circe used to do what Flood Gain does now

[frank karma]

idek what it did before that

[crude dragon]

Poseidon or Hestia

Apollo if you want to do memes

[covert badge]

apollo attack anubis propoganda alert ⚠️

[thin laurel]

pond appears to say:

LMAO nearly but not quite timed it right

[barren sedge]

Neither do I
Never used it in pre release. Axe, skull and the sister blades were my go to.

[crude dragon]

Before then, you'd stack up a buff called Serenity by doing

12

basic attacks and then activating it with an Omega

[frank karma]

oh yeah i remember now

wasnt twelve at max rank tho?
i think it was like 24 at teir one or smth

[crude dragon]

Also known as "if you do not get Mirrored Thrasher, reset the run"

[thin laurel]

I think the effect is MUCH better on flood gain than it was on Circe, flood gain is weird but like.... actually good, and having a cooldown is so much better than needing to charge it up with hits. anit-synergistic playstyle smh

[barren sedge]

Wow, that's so bad. Glad they changed it.

[thin laurel]

Mel Staff also got a major glow up since you were gone
used to be channel speed (which was fun but meh), now it's max magick (which idc about) and base power for specials, which ends up making it absurdly good for stuff like high fear
first weapon to clear max fear in 1.0 for a reason lol

[frank karma]

there was once an age where momus was the best staff aspect for a completely different reason than it is now

[thin laurel]

wait. to be clear momus is currently generally considered by far the worst staff aspect rn

[smoky scroll]

Ngl ive thought about it and i really hate how theres nothing for waking up hypnos

[frank karma]

nah what momus is op af wdym?

[smoky scroll]

Like u sink resources into and get nothing

[thin laurel]

the Unseen update was NOT kind to Momus
direct nerf to the time between omega pulses, Circe and Mel both got reworked into some of the flat out best aspects in the game period across all weapon types, Anubis got introduced and is also very good.
like, Momus isn't bad, but it's absolutely the worst of the staff aspects because the others are legitimately all insane

[covert badge]

even +0.5 sec wasnt added in, momus would be equal with anubis at best

[grave gorge]

Nonsense

You get ||an empty chair where Hypnos used to be||

[thin laurel]

pan also fell from grace around that time </3
altho one of the nerfs has gotten reduced a bit.
but yeah, Momus isn't unusable but it truly can't compete with the other three, Mel and Circe staff are two of the overall best aspects rn

[frank karma]

dang i need to take the other staff aspects for a spin jeez
on paper the other two non hidden aspects dont seem like all that

[smoky scroll]

AND YA CANT EVEN USE IT SMH 0/10 GAME FR

[grave gorge]

YOU CAN DECORATE IT THOUGH

[thin laurel]

circe is just absurd tbh
storm ring + double strike, maybe king's ransom if you want, layer both casts over top of a boss and Boom its hp is gone, without costing any magick or having any channel time, + you can keep attacking etc while your casts go crazy

[frank karma]

okay i guess im doin three staff runs in a row now

[thin laurel]

mel staff is weird since on paper it doesn't sound that op? but it uh. is, it turns out
% damage on special and it just kinda wins

[frank karma]

dang

[thin laurel]

also even psychic leash damage goes surprisingly hard! like... https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1440619363005632542/Screenshot_2025-11-19_at_12.22.25_AM.png?ex=692a0595&is=6928b415&hm=7dd961de47790859e332109316770938852e3bbe2625be65214bd645306de1f1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2284&height=1486
this was my second ever 62 fear clear

[frank karma]

aight I gotta do an anubis run now

[thin laurel]

have fun! I love all the staff aspects lol

[frank karma]

and I get to use my fav duo boon hopefully 🤞

[barren sedge]

wasnt mel staff very good in prerelease too?
like during the warsong update? based on the omega attack doing NASTY damage, in a good way?

[thin laurel]

OH. another thing you missed: heph got a major glow up as an offensive god! hestia too to a lesser extent, scorch got some buffs

[tender oracle]

mel staff goes crazy with special, circe staff goes crazy with cast, anubis is just kinda wild in general, momus isn't as crazy but boy is it fun

[frank karma]

freezer burn my beloved

[thin laurel]

it was fine, but nothing that crazy
circe just sucked before the rework in Unseen, tho, so other staffs didn't have much competition

[covert badge]

i loved EA mel staff man, channeling speed was very handy with all kind of o.move stuff

old geyser, aetheric + controlled burn, dash cancel o.attack spam

[thin laurel]

I do really miss EA mel staff tho lol, I loved night cycling with it even if it was never that op

[frank karma]

I remember there was a cast spam build i did with mel staff and the EA version of geyser spout that was real fun

[thin laurel]

but yeah, I'd add a heph run to the list of things to try out 👀
blasts got tweaked and got a lot of new very op duo boons, one heph blast boon can solo carry a mid fear run pretty easily with the right set up now, and is very fun
emphasis on "with the right set up" tho, you want pom investment/rarity and duos for it to go truly crazy. but still, way better place in the meta than during warsong and before

case in point: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1402577390865223730/Screenshot_2025-08-06_at_1.59.35_AM.png?ex=692a0dbc&is=6928bc3c&hm=c1d6c9b3caf65b07732d2cc568072ef1c552be22bf05c5004353a824cd7b631d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700
still the single highest number I've ever seen on an endscreen

[frank karma]

I was around when hestia heph was a good duo but Poseidon heph duo used to be sooooo terrible i never even picked it up

[barren sedge]

did they change how they work while on cooldown?
cause even EA they were fine for a burst of damage every now and then, especially if you managed to get some CD reduction for them and have them proc every........2 sec.

[thin laurel]

2 seconds is still the minimum cooldown, altho the poseidon duo lowers that a bit more
but then the hestia duo gives you 2 blasts every time you activate another within 2s of the cooldown being up, so with both those duos you're getting 4 blasts in under 4 seconds

[barren sedge]

i wasnt aware of that duo boon. hmmmm, might try it out later.

[thin laurel]

you do need to build specifically towards that, but if you do it becomes your main damage source and hard carries the run
if you don't pom the cooldown to 2s they're just okay

imo the hestia duo is the single best one since it just flat out doubles your damage
second best is prob poseidon, then imo apollo for adding a ton of base power to your blasts
demeter and aphrodite also have blast related duos, but I value them a bit less overall

[covert badge]

rude + sunny + love handles go crazy tho

[thin laurel]

I still need to try it but I feel so lukewarm abt heartthrobs lately ngl

[covert badge]

yeahhh carnal needs help asap

[thin laurel]

altho part of that is carnal pleasure disappointing me lmaoooo yes

[astral birch]

It's always so hilarious when you're talking with ||Zeus after finishing surface run and Apollo is close to probably damaging his vocal cords due to how loud he's singing ||

[frank karma]

wait a second

scorch wouldnt happen to cap at 999 now would it?

[covert badge]

scorch is normally capped at 999, hestia godsent breaks the cap to be >1000

[frank karma]

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

freezer burn what have they done to you?

[frank karma]

also the hestia what now?

[thin laurel]

upgrade to the hex system 👀 Selene should offer it to you when you talk to her next, if you've taken every hex at least once (including the one unique to her aspect of the black coat) and she has no dialogue with higher priority

[frank karma]

how do I garuntee itll be hestia that gets godsent or whatever?

can I even garuntee that?

[feral lintel]

how do you use persephone skull

[thin laurel]

each hex is tied to a specific god
if Selene has unlocked the system for you via dialogue and that god is in your pool, the godsent upgrade node will appear on the path of stars (even if you add the god to your pool after getting the hex)

list here: #h2-builds-and-combat message

[barren sedge]

worst RUN bricking i ever did
i took athena's death defiance, it made me prime 125 magick.
i didnt have enough afterwards to use my omega special, on a charon build....that was going SO WELL

[covert badge]

the greed consumed him

[frank karma]

Okay nvm freezer burn is still good

just not the 15k big number im used to

[barren sedge]

lucid gain, giga cleaver, sudden cleaver, proeminence flare, supernova, nova flourish, EXPLOSIVE INTENT, and holy god, the one boon i thought could work......didnt.........cause it froze my magic and the flying lizard killed me on the way up

[crude dragon]

You can really feel the extra half second

Granted, it's still a B-tier aspect, but the other 3 are all in the S tier

[crude dragon]

Its special effect is something that can't be generated in the training grounds, since you need to have a boon that deals some sort of effect damage (Any of Zeus's lightning effects or Scorch, for instance)

But what it does is make you able to steer the OSpecial (even the base OSpecial) and channel it for longer by dealing effect damage, as well as letting you gamble by potentially getting free Pom levels

[hearty timber]

Yes it would be good if they could reduce the pulse duration to 100ms

[hearty timber]

Get Poseidon cast

[tidal cliff]

Why does echo not give me the option to gift? I can’t get maximum friendship because it only says talk

[crude dragon]

Have you gifted her after talking to her

[tidal cliff]

You have to do that??😭

[craggy totem]

Gamers just be runnin out the second they get their reward smh

[tidal cliff]

I take my Pom Pom Pom and I run

[craggy totem]

No wonder [non-main-story spoiler] ||Narcissus goes through that whole No Gifts phase with Mel, you get where he's coming from ;P||

[crude dragon]

You have to do that...
have to do that...
-# have to do that...

[hearty timber]

Zamn

[nimble bone]

Wait mel staff is s tier 😮

[broken glen]

I'll talk to the NPCs when a dialogue ❗ pops up. I always salute though!

[crude dragon]

Yeah, the bonus Special damage is nothing to scoff at

It's even the first weapon to clear 67F Underworld when 1.0 dropped

[craggy totem]

Hell yeah always saluting the NPCs

[broken glen]

It was one of the first weapons to beat max fear! (Just past medea)

Medea with the cast bug was crazy 💀

[nimble bone]

Hmmm maybe im not playing staff right but then again i can go the same place the coat is

[craggy totem]

I still salute the little shades in the Crossroads every time. What cast bug was this?

[broken glen]

The damage buff applied to the attack and special from the aspect of medea also applied to the cast

[crude dragon]

Medea's aspect bonus of +90% Attack and Special damage was also applying to Storm Ring and Smolder Ring

[craggy totem]

LOL

[broken glen]

it was... strong, to say the least

still is dominating tierlists even without it

[craggy totem]

You don't say :P

[nimble bone]

Is there still that one bug where if you have the jumping hex you can jump inside || surface boss || ( if this works ill be damned)

Ayee i remember the symbols

[broken glen]

which surface boss

[nimble bone]

||Typhoon|| like that wolf howl or whatever its called hex ive had so many runs where i jumped off the map and got lost off screen

[broken glen]

I don't think that's still in the game, at least it shouldn't be

[nimble bone]

I think last time i wanted to take a screenshot i pressed that windows shift s and shift is dash so it didnt capture it,
I might have to try it but im either not using hexes or not using that specific hex or just not going surface lol

[scenic gust]

||*chucking Ambrosia to break the curse||

[lilac palm]

question, why would i want to use the Fear option from that oath thing?

[covert badge]

unlocking bunch of things

[buoyant matrix]

1. testaments give you nightmare to upgrade your weapons
2. some story advancements need a little of it
3. it's fun
4. game becomes too easy without them after a while

[bitter gull]

Is there a reason I have a bunch of tiny shades following me around?

[buoyant matrix]

you've gained a few fans!

[tender oracle]

because they like you

[bitter gull]

There’s so many neat little random things in this one

[crude dragon]

You won

[hearty timber]

This game is super polished, huge levels of attention to detail

[stone shoal]

Can't figure out how to trigger the incantation for ||allowing you to pause during Vows Chronos.|| I've attempted ||pausing during the fight|| on two different attempts and no dialogue has triggered it. Granted, I just activated the tImE wArP to get the new ending, so I'm getting a lot of post-run dialogue repeats. Who actually makes the incantation available? Can I just keep doing Chaos Trials until I trigger the dialogue from Hecate? It's the last incantation in the game, and has been for... like, 20 hours. I just want to get it done. Do I have to ||die after attempting to pause in the fight||?

[rugged cloud]

anyone know off the top of their head if strength reduces damage of traps (tartarus floor spikes for example?)

[merry whale]

i believe so yes

if u have any armor at all then all dmg reduction don't actually do anything, even strength, weak, and charon well items

but otherwise strength should reduce all dmg sources

[rugged cloud]

huh, i didn't know that about weak, charon etc, just strength

[merry whale]

ye it's funky

there's also the side effect of paid dues (hermes' legendary) should take less gold with strength on, but if u have armor then it starts purging more gold lolol

[rugged cloud]

lame lol

[merry whale]

i think tough gain still works with armor? actually not sure should double check

i just know % stuff don't work :p

[rugged cloud]

can you think of any traps that arent just 1 damage per tick, besides the tartarus floor spikes, and i guess exploding barrels (i assume the explosion does damage before the floor fire)

[merry whale]

uhh summit traps do more than 1 damage (i think they do 10-ish at base)

[rugged cloud]

oh yeah the egg things

[merry whale]

thessaly and ephyra barrels explosion also do some dmg

o yea i didn't read

[rugged cloud]

i wanna test to double check but i didnt wanna go all the way to 4th area lol

[merry whale]

i think oceanus tanks have explosion damage before their steam dmg but i'm actually not sure

but yea other than those it's prob gonna be region 4 to test

[rugged cloud]

ephyra barrel explosions do 10 damage with or without strength

the more you know

[merry whale]

lol huh that's funny

obv no dds like toula right

i might get a double check on this cuz now im very curious

[rugged cloud]

nope i had strenth and death off

or whatver DD arcana is called i never use it lol

[merry whale]

lol fair

[thin laurel]

they do enough to be terrifying when I forget they exist and am using white antler and zero defense 🙃

[merry whale]

lol yea i got trolled today during my hel 65

made it past promacles but got fig scammed in olympus and then got trolled trying to play summit safe

[weary bison]

Add an incantation to bring back the red shade in the mourning field back to Zagreus arena

[astral birch]

Does game ever explain what exactly happened that mel ||has some kind of shadow/magic arm instead of normal one? I assume she lost it, but i'd like to know why||

[red fox]

Yes

[buoyant matrix]

it's explained later yes

[vagrant cipher]

About the hidden aspects, shall i just keep do runs and speak to those who will give me them (ik them), there is no other condition right?

in every weapon i have 1 max updated aspect

[buoyant matrix]

unlock the three base aspects of the weapon and spend 5 nightmare upgrading them

[vagrant cipher]

Done

[buoyant matrix]

mel aspects don't need nightmare for upgrades so they don't count

[buoyant matrix]

yeah then just keep talking to the correct npc

[vagrant cipher]

Ok

[astral birch]

When is later? I'm just having probably late-game ending cutscene ||where chronos, mel, zagreus, hades and hecate are having happy family reunion||

[buoyant matrix]

keep talking to icarus

[vagrant cipher]

No wait a sec

I already got 2 hidden aspects, the charon and circe o es

[hearty timber]

Fig scam on summit is depressing

[vagrant cipher]

I didnt need to max upgrade all of them, i only have 1

[buoyant matrix]

i said UNLOCK the three base aspects
then spend 5 nightmares

[hearty timber]

Fig leaf triggering on summit first room would be so huge

[vagrant cipher]

Ah sorry then i thought u meant max all of them

[weary bison]

I've collected all the achievements in hades 1 and 2

[queen yew]

i accidentally romanced || Moros while trying to locate the three fates what the heck? ||

[fickle drum]

Oh nice, Ares appeared for me, guess I don't need to actually finish the surface.

[buoyant matrix]

were you just skipping all the dialogue

[rough horizon]

Oh yeah, I've read that romance scene can take priority||they have the same trigger of dying after all||

[astral birch]

Wait, you can avoid ||romancing romancable characters and still max their "bond"?||

[rough horizon]

Kind of, depends on what you mean; you will progress after the arrow in a romance-like manner, but you can choose not to pursue it at the end

And I believe those scenes all come after getting the max bond

[astral birch]

||oh, there's option to don't pursue romance? I never expected it since bonds seemed to be linear in hades|| i forgot how it wortked in hades 1

[buoyant matrix]

yes

[astral birch]

I already chose the person of interest anyway an that definitely is not ||moros||

[queen yew]

i see

[rough horizon]

It's just like in Hades, progression IS linear, and the last few are very much romance territory, but at the end after maxing it, you will later get a scene to either pursue it or not. It can be a bit weird if you're very much not intending to romance them.

[queen yew]

no iwasn't i thought It was genuinely related to the main quest and || thought Moros doesn't care about his promised fated with Eos part was related to the main quest as he rebels against the Three fates lol ||

[rough horizon]

There's also a convo between ||Nem and Moros that can happen after the arrow but before resolution, and it's awkward if you intend not to romance them, like in my case||

[astral birch]

||you can just go poly route like in hades 1, right?||

[rough horizon]

Yeah, very much so

[queen yew]

thank god cause romancing him wasn't my intention at all lmao but hey.

at least He's happy? 😂

[astral birch]

Well, i'm not even sure who you can romance, but i'm sure that i'm not interested in him, even though he seems to be cool

[queen yew]

ikr

so.... about romances ...|| can i upgrade my status with Nemesis beyond recipocral bond? ||

[astral birch]

I wonder if you can romance ||dora or Arachne||

[rough horizon]

I'm guessing that means you've maxed her bond ||but haven't got her romance scene; it happens during a run, you must find her in an encounter||

[astral birch]

I guess that if you asked Dora on date, she would start... ghosting you

[buoyant matrix]

badum tiss

[queen yew]

well now that i've actually frfr completed the epilogue, the epilogue was much better in comparison to whatever happened in the true ending lol

[astral birch]

I wonder how many ||endings/epilogues etc does this game truly have||

[sleek oar]

Ever since the ending, ive been spamming through every dialogue and not reading anything

[astral birch]

Like i just got ||end credits, but it's not even half-finished in my case||

[sleek oar]

Made the game much more enjoyable

[astral birch]

My attention span only allows me to read like 50-75% of dialogues anyway and i've problems with remembering them 😭

[sleek oar]

Pfft fair tbh

[buoyant matrix]

every single npc's post ending line is like
-so ||chronos is good now||
-yes
-ok

[sleek oar]

Im waiting for that damn last reveal to still hit so i can roll my eyes one more time

[queen yew]

i skim through the dialog box and decide whether i wanna hear it or nah

btw for any late game player here, what's the incantation || *Acceptance of Another Fate * || about?

[buoyant matrix]

rerolls your seed

[queen yew]

so undo-ing nights no longer repeats the seed yes?

[thin laurel]

you have to manually reroll your seed, undoing night still repeats it by default

[queen yew]

i see, thanks

i still won't forgive Moros spooking me when i was trying to find ||the three fates||

[hearty timber]

Bro didn't read a single line of dialogue

[queen yew]

😭 i did as the three fates ask me to and i got greeted by Moros instead

now i'm curious, what if i rejected him, nothing happens?

[buoyant matrix]

correct

[queen yew]

well if i can romance multiple character i guess it's not a problem 😂

[red fox]

They are greek god

[queen yew]

i read some of Zeus's mythology so yeah, not a surprise?

at some point i don't even know he's being famous or infamous for things that he did based on greek mythology

[merry wave]

Played Rivals Scylla for the first time, this is honestly a really fun boss battle

[fickle drum]

#h2-victory-boasting message Actually getting carried by defiances.

So to get Arcana of the Ages prophecy I have to actually set the cards?

[buoyant matrix]

nope, can do judgement

[little cipher]

Sort of. You need to have the card active and win the run

[buoyant matrix]

start with strength, night and lovers then take pig in second region

[little cipher]

Crystal Figurine counts if it activates the right card

You just need to be sure the run is a win. If you die midway through, it doesn't count

[nimble bone]

||Does doing undo night reset great chaos runs wins for that 2 wins in a row achi ||

[onyx summit]

it shouldnt? undo night basically erases your save, i think, so its like you havent played

[stone shoal]

Anyone have information on this?

[tranquil wren]

I think you may need to die after trying to pause, but I'm not 100% sure on that

[scenic gust]

Ares Double Damage+ Success Rate + Crit = Die, die, die

[fickle drum]

So I finally figured out that the prerequisite for godsent boons to appear is that you have all of them unlocked.

[crisp gust]

Finally got all the Testaments of Night ! I'm surprised there isn't any in-game dialogue for it. Or maybe it's only with Nyx ?

[odd dune]

Finally beat chronos

[buoyant matrix]

there is, and yes it's with nyx

[merry echo]

Congrats mate 🔥

Now ||beat him 5 more times then do mount olympus||

[odd dune]

So it's a fixed number of times?

[buoyant matrix]

7 actually

[buoyant matrix]

for the main story yes

[merry echo]

7 mb

[odd dune]

Also I have made some significant progress on ||mount Olympus, I feel like I am quite close to the end so is it a problem if I finish mount first then beat chronos the 7 times?||

[odd dune]

I like your username

[buoyant matrix]

you can alternate between the paths however you like, it's just that for the main ending, you need 9 underworld wins and 5 surface wins

[merry echo]

Yep totally alright if u can already access it

Well, without dying

[odd dune]

💀.

That's alot damn, but fair enough ig

[merry echo]

Surface is harder so they made the wins fewer

[odd dune]

It's lengthy af tho

[merry echo]

But epic

The soundtrack in battle too

[odd dune]

I love the black coat weapon, it's busted hands down

[nova oar]

Most people hate it lmao

I'm with you tho I quite enjoy it

[merry echo]

My first chronos kill was with the sister blades but then switched to torches and didnt go back to it

[nova oar]

Definitely not busted it's pretty much considered second 'worst'

[merry echo]

Do they mean the jetpack that fires stuff?

[tranquil wren]

yeah
aspect of nyx is definitely one of the stronger aspects in this game though

[little cipher]

Personally, I like the black coat. It's very versatile if you know how to use it, even if damage could be a little low at times

[nova oar]

It has low base damage and if you don't get good boons it's really gonna struggle

[merry echo]

Whats the worst

[tranquil wren]

yeah you kinda need hestia, poseidon, or zeus for coat

still! you can usually get at least 1 of those

[odd dune]

Why tho, what's the hate even for u get a shield + homing missiles

[tranquil wren]

daggers probably. the hidden aspect is superb but no one really likes the other ones too much

[little cipher]

It's flashy, but raw damage is hard to pull off with it

[odd dune]

Yes the iron man one

[merry echo]

I got my very first win with it

[little cipher]

The advantage is that you have a lot of defense, with the shield and the option to keep your distance

[tranquil wren]

yea anything works at 0F (anything works at like 20F and below tbh)

[merry echo]

But yeah i kept dying a lot with daggers before winning

[fickle drum]

I still don't get the coat

[odd dune]

There's this special attack of the axe, the range and damage is nuts

[little cipher]

Daggers take some getting used to. Very in-your-face a lot of the time

[odd dune]

U gotta hit the ||surface||

[fickle drum]

What does that have to do with figuring out the coat?

[odd dune]

The backstab damage is damn good

[little cipher]

I think he meant he doesn't know how to properly use it

[odd dune]

I thought u didn't "unlock" the coat, my bad 😭

[fickle drum]

I see, is fine

[merry echo]

Its special is pretty trash lol but at least it has a cool omega attack that makes u teleport to behind the enemies

[odd dune]

Honestly I just spam the homing missiles then focus on dodging

[tranquil wren]

for mel and nyx you want scorch, splash, or blitz on attack/special (tbf anything kinda works for special, best to go with something that procs origination)

[merry echo]

Torches is S tier tho

[fickle drum]

I mean more about how to use the moveset right

[odd dune]

This ☝️

[nova oar]

Anything works up to 62

[tranquil wren]

spam attack and sprinkle in specials

[nova oar]

Worst is purely in relation to the other aspects

[buoyant matrix]

with the weaker aspects like shiva and pan it doesn't 😭

[nova oar]

All the aspects can be used for the hardest possible content outside of max fear

[merry echo]

Beat final boss of mount olympus first try with it

[nova oar]

Shiva cleared 67 i'm not hearing it from you

[odd dune]

There are a total of ||4 bosses on the surface, right? Just say yes or no pls don't spoil||

[tranquil wren]

by "anything" I meant like, builds in general

[buoyant matrix]

by highrolling its best possible build in the first three rooms yeah

[nova oar]

Yes

[odd dune]

Oh that guy wasn't that tough, I could have beat him just need to get used to his moveset

[nova oar]

STILL POSSIBLE, NEVER SAID IT WAS EASY

If we're talking in the scope of 90% of the playerbase all aspects are good

[merry echo]

Main bosses yes

[nova oar]

Wdym by main

[tranquil wren]

guardians

[merry echo]

Like u have to beat them to progress

There are other bosses u see in chambers too

[nova oar]

Ah ok

[balmy iris]

Great chaos below honestly is giving me great rolls for weapons and arcana but then it’s frenzy 2, rivals 2 and grit 2

It’s so weird to not have hubris 2 because I’m so used to it

[nova oar]

Easy vows too, last one I tried was pain 3 scars 2 no dd's or strength

Or or persistence

[balmy iris]

I’m not used to frenzy 2 and ended up dying to rivals Hecate

I might need to do rivals more often if I end up doing high fear eventually

Do the random chaos trials ever use void? I feel like that’s the one vow I’ve never had but maybe I’m just lucky

[broken creek]

67f means nothing now ig 🥀

You basically need to get your build at least mostly live out of r1 if you dont its just rough

Every weapon has done 62, having access to your arcana automatically makes basically whatever work if you play clean enough and get decent room rng, anything past and you kinda need the better builds live asap

Plus jpom lets more things work out of sheer number scaling

[storm glen]

dont you need that always on 67

[buoyant matrix]

they said every build works at 62, i said weaker aspects like shiva can't work with every build and they brought up the 67 run 🤷‍♂️

[rare frigate]

|| Am I extremely unlucky or there is a condition to unlock chronos keepsake? I did 10+ underworld runs post ending and haven't ran into him after Hecate once. Got the other 2 post credit keepsake though. ||

[buoyant matrix]

extremely unlucky

wait have you ran any surface

[rare frigate]

I did once

[buoyant matrix]

yeah just unlucky then

[rare frigate]

alright, thanks

[nimble kernel]

Hello my fellow unseen

[storm glen]

is that really weaker or just more specialized

hel & charon also suck without specific builds but i wouldnt call charon weak

[pallid cradle]

I wouldn't say Charon sucks without a specific build. Hel would definitely fall into that category imo tho

[craggy totem]

Ehhh

[pallid cradle]

I've seen people win with an Ares cast

Yanno, probably the worst cast in Hades 2 just because Charon does so much damage if you can play it well.

[craggy totem]

I mean, you can win with anything

I don't think "manage to clear a run" is the bar :P

[pallid cradle]

I mean... At what point do we stop moving the goalposts to say an aspect sucks? 62-67 fear when the game is at its absolute hardest and yes you kinda have to highroll your builds while also playing incredibly well to win?

I'm pretty sure I could JPom start on 32 Fear with Charon and win streak it no matter what the game gives me.

[craggy totem]

I don't think it's moving the goalposts at all to say that "sucks" is not the same thing as "incapable of clearing a run"

Sand was even specifically saying that they wouldn't call Charon weak

[pallid cradle]

They did say it sucked without a specific build which is the part I'd call false.

[storm glen]

sucks relatively

and im arguing for charon here

[storm glen]

its more abt earlygame magic imo

[buoyant matrix]

charon doesn't need a specific build. my 62 fear win on it started with heph attack

[neon hull]

what are some good boon options for morrigan?

[craggy totem]

I don't think "started with Heph attack" is a counterargument tbh, if you don't get your "main gimmick" stuff online at first, then Heph attack is actually a really good backup plan

[crisp gust]

Heph is always a really good backup plan I feel

[craggy totem]

Basically this (as long as you have levels/rarity)

[craggy totem]

Scorch, Hitch, AOE

[pallid cradle]

I've always found that starting Hecuba fixes this issue for Charon (does nothing for the magic chomping nature of Hel)

[neon hull]

ok ty

[crisp gust]

I wonder if it gets nerfed hard by denial/that other vow

[craggy totem]

I mean, you don't need to use magick on Hel, strictly speaking; you can also do normal attacks and specials

[pallid cradle]

The omega special is the best part of the aspect

[crisp gust]

I haven't played Hel too much so I'm still not sure if it's worth it to play ospecial instead of just blasting while always having your special out

[craggy totem]

Even the normal attack is pretty fast (hence still able to take advantage of the relevant boons) and the normal special still hits a bunch of enemies at once (hence still being a good curse applicator, especially of Hitch)

[crisp gust]

ospecial has big damage, but tbh normal special does a fair amount itself

[craggy totem]

Unlike Charon, which -- because it isn't a hidden aspect -- has zero distinguishing features if you don't use its special gimmick

[pallid cradle]

I mean... Every axe functions the exact same outside of Charon's special gimmick so it makes sense that using it without that leaves it with no distinguishing features.

[craggy totem]

(I aint arguing about its relative strength or weakness, just specifically the bit about it being inherently magick hungry)

[craggy totem]

I grant that Nergal might be the least special HA but I don't think it can be argued that its attack and special pattern are exactly the same as the normal axes

[pallid cradle]

I'd argue that Nergal's special is worse than the other 3 aspects. At least the multihit attack in higher fear can be used to rip the barriers.

[craggy totem]

Better, worse, it's different is all :P

[floral burrow]

The only problem is you don't build it like mel or than you put your boons into special and cast. Than and Mel you put it into the attack. So when you run out of magic on Charon you are technically at a disadvantage.

[crisp gust]

I wonder how much more damage an attack centric combo can do compared to a special centric one

[pallid cradle]

I still think for the most part at least through Erebus or Ephyra Hecuba solves most of your magic issues.

[crisp gust]

Hecuba's a good girl indeed

[pallid cradle]

And tbh it's mostly Erebus. If you can't get a build going in Ephyra, idk what to tell you.

You can take 3 gains reasonably (I'd argue one of them is a trap)

Apollo, tried and true Hera, Poseidon (I don't like it but it works)

[floral burrow]

I've gotten Charon all the way to cerb without seeing a mana Regen boon. I was so incredibly confused and salty

[pallid cradle]

I've never had it that bad. I have been getting boned lately and the game gives me my first hammer in the last fields chamber

[floral burrow]

Damn that sucks. Especially if your running hammer dependant aspects

[pallid cradle]

I've been avoiding doing so because of the trend

[fickle drum]

#h2-victory-boasting message Well, using Judgment to clear at a lower difficulty is pretty doable.

[restive pasture]

judgement just takes too long to come online for me. by the time you have more arcana than normal you're already at a point where you can become overpowered without gimping your early game

[pallid cradle]

Just remembered I have to level up the fate's whim keepsakes. I never did it because I didn't want complete RNG running my runs

[restive pasture]

once you embrace fate's whim, you never go back

[pallid cradle]

I hope you're right because if my math is correct this is gonna take like 5 runs to max them out. Hopefully I'm not suffering for 5 runs.

[tranquil wren]

fates whim is super fun, you're encouraged to experiment and pretty much everything is viable

at least at 32F and below, in my experience

[restive pasture]

Jpom alone breaks the game imo. Chrolex makes money management a joke unless you have max money vow on

[pallid cradle]

... I already hate it

[celest flare]

Accepting a clear 3 stages within 2 mins or take 500 from Chaos and the third stage was the boss 😭

[pallid cradle]

I'm running Charon and the Hades buff I got was howling soul

[restive pasture]

yeah i avoid chaos if i'm near the guardian fight

[broken creek]

Tbf judgment isnt bad its just like why use it when you can have a set arcana loadout

Playing it for 65f is lowkey fun though icl, until I dont get origination the whole run and lose to timer exclusively because of that

[fickle drum]

Yeah but you have to use it anyways. So might as well.

[restive pasture]

Sure it's worth a run I agree

[fickle drum]

Also helped me almost complete the prophecy. I guess I'll swap a thing for the swift runner, that should complete it.

[devout cairn]

howling soul is fun

[fickle drum]

I guess I can do without the sorceress until the prophecy is complete.

[lilac palm]

god i’ve been playing so bad my hands are getting cramps
i haven’t played a game this hard in forever it’s just so addicting

[fickle drum]

Or maybe just forgo the queen.

Yeah I can lose the queen just for a little bit.

[pallid cradle]

Not if you're playing Charon and want your casts placed specifically

[lilac palm]

||im with charon right before chronos i have 1000 gold rn but like… i see the thing to upgrade arcana cards is there for a 1000 is that worth getting|| over the boons and health recovery

[tranquil wren]

howling soul can be pretty good with charon

[devout cairn]

i need to do a charon run with it but it doesn't sound too bad, might even be good for bosses

[balmy iris]

No because you can buy those outside of runs

[fickle drum]

By the way, is the Clanger perk super rare or will it only show up under certain conditions?

[fickle drum]

Depends, is your build lacking in anything you can get from the other wares?

[devout cairn]

if you are sure you can win without those boons and HP sure why not

[balmy iris]

I honestly don’t know what half the perks do, there should be more details about them

[fickle drum]

Winning the run might be more important than getting the resource, or it might not be.

[devout cairn]

but I still get boons even if when I know I'm gonna win cuz fun

[fickle drum]

I don't know what it does either, all I know is I haven't seen it.

[tranquil wren]

the moon dust? it's super cheap at the broker tbh

[fickle drum]

Yeah, but if you buy it form Charon it's free

[tranquil wren]

bones are much more efficient

[fickle drum]

More efficient than nothing?

[tranquil wren]

toula is also great for fish

1k coins is not nothing, you have to consciously build that up

[fickle drum]

Gold disappears at the end of the run, so do things you buy with them.

It's basically worthless.

[balmy iris]

[pallid cradle]

I at least got super nova so this run wasn't that bad

[tranquil wren]

I think you're not considering the time it takes to get to an endshop and pay for the moon dust rather than buying it at the broker with the plentiful bones you get otherwise

thirst and toula are great for maxing arcana

[balmy iris]

Moon dust is like 80 bones, way cheaper than 1000 coins

[fickle drum]

It should take like 2 seconds to walk up to the moondust to hit buy though?

Like, why are we suddenly counting the time the entire run takes?

[tranquil wren]

one run with 1k gets you 3(?) moondust, a run with grave thirst and toula gets you a lot more bones to buy m dust from

[fickle drum]

I fear we might be miscommunicating here.

[balmy iris]

Because you buy a lot of things throughout the run, it’s not super often you have more than 500 gold after going through 6 Tartarus rooms

[fickle drum]

The question was, if we're in the shop, have enough gold, and don't think we need anything else from the shop, whatever rare resource is being sold is essentially free.

[tranquil wren]

the person asking specifically mentioned that they were concerned about health recovery

[fickle drum]

I've had enough money for the endshop item multiple times. I just went for the other stuff.

[balmy iris]

If you were at half HP right before fighting chronos, would you not take health recovery?

[fickle drum]

Well except for that one time I took the nightmare.

I'm fairly sure I won that one anyway.

[balmy iris]

Daedalus anvil is NEVER worth it by the way

[fickle drum]

I got it once and it was good.

Had nothing to lose lol

[balmy iris]

Luck of the draw

[storm glen]

its always good

[devout cairn]

i wish i had it that one time i accidentally got Wide Grin

[restive pasture]

It's so good on runs with low roll hammers

[devout cairn]

more like wide frown

[fickle drum]

If you do lots of runs, there will guaranteed be a time when you can afford an anvil and have nothing to lose from picking it.

[restive pasture]

Do you guys like final chop

[abstract oriole]

yea it's ok

[devout cairn]

no

[tranquil wren]

it's straight up buns

[abstract oriole]

what

[crude dragon]

Nah, it's almost always garbage

[balmy iris]

Too slow

[storm glen]

yes

[crude dragon]

Actually, wait, Final Chop is the +1 hit on the slam for spending 20 MP, isn't it

[abstract oriole]

no

[storm glen]

i like both of the chop hammers its fun

[tranquil wren]

are you talking hell splitter?

[devout cairn]

there is no hammer upgrade called final chop

[tranquil wren]

there's executioner chop

[crude dragon]

Executioner is what I'm thinking of, then

[restive pasture]

Yes not sure why I thought it was final chop

[abstract oriole]

he prob means final slice

[tranquil wren]

the description's last words are final chop

[crude dragon]

And that one genuinely has no use cases

[restive pasture]

Oh I like executioners...

[crude dragon]

Hell Splitter is also bad in basically every scenario

Outside of something like "you're on Than axe and your first hammer was Rapid Hack"

[craggy totem]

I anvil gambled on Than the other day bc I'd had no good hammers yet. I forgot that Hell Splitter existed.

[dull whale]

When I was doing prophecies, I picked some garbage hammers just to complete stuff but it meant my attacks were weird
The anvil saved me from having to fight Chronos with a weird attack animation

Otherwise yeah I don't ever touch it

[grave gorge]

I like hell splitter 😦

[tranquil wren]

liking hell splitter and having wards 2 defender in your nick is crazy work

[devout cairn]

out of all things to defend...

[storm glen]

not liking hell splitter and being named hellish is crazy work

[tranquil wren]

yeah it's pretty ludricrous

[restive pasture]

[pallid cradle]

... Idk what I expected the interaction between Charon Axe and Heph cast to be, but that wasn't it

Is it bad I kinda like it?

[restive pasture]

oh, what does it do? i would never think to take that

[tranquil wren]

the hammers keep going

[craggy totem]

In some circumstances Heph cast basically acts as though you pressing the cast button activates a "three hammers hit here" effect, rather than the three hammers hitting being intrinsically tied to the cast. It's weird af

Unrelated: I have a stupid question about a non-story-important post-ending dialogue. Is ||Nyx supposed to be saying "Princess of the Unseen I"|| in reference to the rank thing, or is this a weird... thing

[foggy sable]

apparently the only aspects I have yet to win with are
Mel blades, Pan, Eos, Supay, Charon, Nergal, Hel, and Nyx

[devout cairn]

idk but i wouldn't attribute the title of Princess to Nyx, it doesnt feel right

[foggy sable]

surprised i only have one mel aspect left to use

[craggy totem]

No, she's saying it to Melinoe

[grave gorge]

Tbf, I wouldn't play hell splitter and wards together

[pallid cradle]

The hammers just keep striking

[devout cairn]

wait nvm i misread it

[pallid cradle]

So you can have a bunch of hammers just hitting all over the map

[foggy sable]

apollo seems good to use with charon right?

[devout cairn]

but im not gonna delete my msg

[restive pasture]

that's so sick, i usually avoid that combo but now i gotta see it

[craggy totem]

It's like, the top god to aim for yeah

[foggy sable]

I want to go for my first clear on all of these, which one do I wanna use first?

[restive pasture]

whatever has grave thirst of course

[foggy sable]

good point

grave thirst is currently the flames so its between eos and supay

[restive pasture]

eos is fun/easy to use, supay is kind of different but also fun

[foggy sable]

so which gods are good on eos?

[craggy totem]

Eos! I would say Eos still requires different mindset though. I'd say anything that's good on the other flames are good on Eos, although Apollo Daybreaker is also funny

[foggy sable]

im doing fates whim, just wanna know who im looking out for

[sleek oar]

Ive stopped asking which god is good and yoloing fates whim

[foggy sable]

is eos quick enough for me to reasonably put time 2 on?

considering about half my runs clear the 20 minute mark lol

[craggy totem]

Every weapon is quick enough for Time 2, it's only Time 3 that gets sketchy

[pallid cradle]

It's funnier and more effective than I expected

[foggy sable]

so do I just get the daybreaker out and spam special?

[devout cairn]

pretty much

[craggy totem]

If you get a good rush boon, you can kind of play Better Supay lol

[foggy sable]

how does the crit chance from night work with the daybreaker?

oh boy cant wait to oh hi hera

[craggy totem]

Always love to see Hera

[foggy sable]

wait what happens with aph special?

[hearty timber]

God knows

[fickle drum]

#h2-victory-boasting message Did I do alright?

[tender oracle]

considering you had 3 dd's left to spare,

[balmy iris]

Possessed array with glamour gain

[craggy totem]

Hope that aint Heroic, wishing you a very sac boon

[fickle drum]

I lost one against Eris.

Also I literally took forever to even find a gain.

I mean, not actually forever.

More like, a very long time.

[balmy iris]

Flood gain was never an option?

[fickle drum]

And the massive damage reduction seems to have helped.

[balmy iris]

Flood gain can work with Mel skull more than glamour gain

[foggy sable]

does sun worshiper stack with the bonuses you get from night bloom?

[craggy totem]

BTW if you get luckier in future runs, check your Charon wells, because based on my recent experiences, Mist Veil will cover your Flood Gain downtime while not being spent during your Flood Gain uptime. Incredible value

[fickle drum]

It took me a very long time to even find a gain...

Also, flood gain is like uh

Won't that only work once every cooldown?

[foggy sable]

"now that i have lucid gain i HAVE to use my cast"
misty veil

[balmy iris]

How in all of ephyra did you not get a single gain boon

[fickle drum]

I mean it took me until like halfway through Thessaly to get an attack boon..

[balmy iris]

Did you have enchantress?

You could have rerolled doors if you did

[fickle drum]

I only had one die by the end of it.

I used all the other ones.

[balmy iris]

It only takes one die to reroll a door

Or reroll boon choices

[fickle drum]

I used all but one die.

[balmy iris]

So you could have rerolled a door or a boon

[fickle drum]

And then I wouldn't have the rerolls to get whatever other boons I needed

[balmy iris]

You literally could have rerolled the first boon you got to get attack instead of waiting until Thessaly

[fickle drum]

I tried

[balmy iris]

I shrug

[fickle drum]

Why do you think I only had one left?

[devout cairn]

Flood gain 👎

[fickle drum]

I'd rather have literally any other kind of gain than one that does nothing if I can't even spend magick.

[devout cairn]

So true

You know what gain I really like

[fickle drum]

I like Zeus's

[craggy totem]

That's not how Flood Gain works. If you have zero magick but Flood is off cooldown, it just lets you do the move and gives you the magick cost back anyway.

[floral burrow]

Flood gain is like the second best. It's not useful in every situation but it's pretty damn good most of the time

[grave gorge]

Glamour gain

[abstract oriole]

flood gain is not the second best that's crazy. It's ok but pretty mid

[devout cairn]

A lot of wrong answers

Tranquil gain the 🐐

Why are you booing me I'm right

[abstract oriole]

tranquil gfain is the worst gain

[grave gorge]

Born gain best for builds that spend magic
Glamour gain best for builds that don't

[fickle drum]

I mean Glamour gain is probably up there too for being super useful when I don't need magick.

[craggy totem]

Born Gain is the one that can actually screw you over, especially in longer encounters. Flood Gain can never permanently lock you out for the rest of an encounter.

[devout cairn]

ADHD type of reply

[grave gorge]

This is also not true
Zeus gain exists

[abstract oriole]

zeus gain is a lot better than tranquil that's crazy

[fickle drum]

Zeus gain is great

[grave gorge]

Zeus gain requires I stop dpsing to go run over to africa and click the thing

No thanks

[fickle drum]

But it lets you burn through your magick entirely

[foggy sable]

I love being able to afford 2 rare items from the endshop lol

[floral burrow]

I dislike it simply because it's disrupts the flow of combat. Even if it's for a second I still don't like it.

[abstract oriole]

unlike tranquil gain that literally makes you stop moving

[grave gorge]

For a quarter second

[abstract oriole]

half a second

[grave gorge]

I mean

Tranquil gain isn't great

But it's better than zeus gain

[abstract oriole]

no it's not lmao

[fickle drum]

I think I like zeus gain better because for zeus gain you can keep moving

[abstract oriole]

stopping moving for more than half a second in high fear is abysmal

[floral burrow]

Weirdly I prefer it since I can stop anywhere. And most of the time I can play without focusing on it. Still bad but

[fickle drum]

Or you could just not use that much magick.

[abstract oriole]

some builds are magic dependant

[tranquil wren]

worst gain for me is tough gain

[fickle drum]

lol get hit to recharge sounds fine on paper until you realize it requires you to get hit

[floral burrow]

That's fair. Intentionally taking damage to get magic is complete ass

[devout cairn]

I guarantee you there's not a single room or boss on frenzy 2 in this game that won't give you several opportunities to stop for less than half a second

[grave gorge]

Born > cardio > glamour > tough > tranquil > zeus >>>>> ares also exists ig

[craggy totem]

But you need to stop for exactly half a second, so stopping for less than half a second doesn't work

[abstract oriole]

if you use magic a lot you really don't wanna spend over half a second repeatldly not moving

[tranquil wren]

grisly is not bad for magick lite builds from what I've found

[fickle drum]

Ares gain is not that bad.

[craggy totem]

If you get Ares legendary and maybe one more plasma boon, you're kinda of set ime

[floral burrow]

What about Apollo. I'd say it works really well. There are very few moments that you're not throwing the cast down

[foggy sable]

SUB 15:00 RUN WAHOO

[abstract oriole]

apollo is one of, if not the best

[fickle drum]

Like iirc, every source of plasma counts for ares gain right?

[foggy sable]

didn't expect it to be on an aspect I was using for the first time lol

[grave gorge]

Oh yeah, right

Born > cardio > glamour > apollo > tough > tranquil > zeus >>>>> ares also exists ig