h2-discussion

[thin laurel]

ahhh yeah that'd do it lol

[wintry wharf]

That explains why I always thought Success Rate was terrible, I was terrible at math

[thin laurel]

oh actually wait, I think that isn't even the issue, it's adding the 1!

.35 x .6 isn't correct, but .35 x 1.6 is
it's 35% x (100% + success rate %)

because 35 x 1.6 = 56
and .35 x 1.6 = .56
comes out the same, just either as a decimal or a number for %

[wintry wharf]

Huuuuh, okay!

Welp, thanks for opening my eyes to success Rate which I never picked even once after reading it was multiplicative and doing math with both numbers being %

I am a big dum-dum

[thin laurel]

but also, sea star is pomable, so like. imagine if this build had success rate lol https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1437938582496215110/Screenshot_2025-11-10_at_2.54.39_AM.png?ex=69151029&is=6913bea9&hm=3997d42a221158ccbc0b0811323aad874e4555138a82a2559e4cbabee8e9814c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700

same with stuff like extra dose and double strike! the higher your base % chance is the more crazy success rate numbers get

[wintry wharf]

I never really ever pick extra dose besides prophecy
8% base is soooo little

[thin laurel]

it is and I used to sleep on it tbh but like... I've had a lot of runs where it's offered at 14%
and thinking of it as 14% crit rate that's actually very very nice, esp since it also doubles things like static shock

[wintry wharf]

Hmm

[thin laurel]

double strike is the big one tho lol, extra dose goes hard with heavy pom investment but double strike is 1. way easier to get poms on because of king's ransom, and 2. just... kinda better

and ofc white antler, lethal snare, killing stroke, vital signs, mutual destruction, and nurture of hera are all crit and crit-like effect which benefit from it and have a high enough starting value to just.... be very good

[wintry wharf]

I'm never touching White Antler 👍

[thin laurel]

grievous blow too 🤷 but with mutual you can reach 100% fairly easily with success rate and max hp lol

[wintry wharf]

I hated Guan Yu and it's my most loathed H1 weapon, why would I subject myself to even less HP

[nocturne grove]

Thanatos axe with the 35% better speed feels so good

[nocturne grove]

What how

[thin laurel]

see I thought I'd never touch it, then I tried it a few times and now I'm addicted 😔
I hated guan yu, but guan yu didn't give NEARLY as much power and also hades 2 has armor lol

[thin laurel]

1 sec, typing out

[wintry wharf]

Just how much armor is in this game? Besides sometimes in a shop or going Heph or picking Arachne keepsake which doesn't really sounds like it makes a lot of sense when you need a different keepsake
I never really have stacked much armor

[dusky mountain]

can you somewhere look up what the fastest clears are per aspect?

[wintry wharf]

Certainly never enough to make me think "Oh yes, Antler"

[craggy totem]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades2
it's filterable by aspect

[restive pasture]

Wait are Ares crits counted differently from other crits? Since the wording is specifically 200%

[thin laurel]

Baseline Mutual Destruction:

at heroic rarity, 0.16% crit rate per missing HP, so you need 625 missing HP to reach 100%
With heroic Success Rate you'd only need 390 missing hp to reach 100% crit rate, which like... getting that much HP isn't free, but if you build towards it then yeah, you can get over 400 max hp fairly easily

[restive pasture]

Like can you crit from antler and ares together

[thin laurel]

ares crits are mini crits, 2x damage rather than 3x, and afaik they can't stack with real crits

[wintry wharf]

Anyway, I'm never touching Antler, 50% crit isn't worth being oneshot by either final boss if I am unarmored
Not even with Guan Yu you get oneshot, because you can actually get respectable HP

[thin laurel]

I'd genuinely recommend trying it tbh, you can stack so many free hits in hades 2 lol
like. with white antler chronos doesn't get to do his oneshot move, you get him to 50% hp before it goes off and he cancels it lol

[restive pasture]

You will be forced to use it in great chaos below, I'm hexing you now

[thin laurel]

don't try it at high fear, but fr it's a very fun keepsake, and unlike guan yu you only get the limit when your build is done so you just oneshot most enemies before they have a chance to attack you lmao

[wintry wharf]

I would be, if I ever thought to bother with any Chaos Below or most trials, which I don't 👍

[thin laurel]

and then with lovers + trusty shield + snow queen + DDs, for instance, you get like 7 free hits against a boss
for non-rivals chronos he may genuinely not have time to hit you more than 7 times before he dies lol

[restive pasture]

Well played

[thin laurel]

idk, I haaaated guan yu in h1 but my (extremely stockholm syndrome) belief lately is "white antler is actually a defensive keepsake at low fear" lmao, I take less damage if nothing can survive long enough to hit me 💪

[wintry wharf]

I find Chaos Trials just extremely unrewarding bores, so I only did the minimum for as many nectars, ambrosias and cookies I'd need, plus for Chaos bond, then touched no more ever again

(Seriously, why would I ever do Chaos Above/Below? 40/50 gems? What is this nonsense?)

[restive pasture]

The fates have willed it

[wintry wharf]

Screw them

[nocturne grove]

50 gems is nothing

[thin laurel]

also like... I've sent this before, but: https://streamable.com/7yaszo
do you see what I mean by "it's a defensive keepsake" lol, like. that's the experience of every room other than the final boss

[nocturne grove]

Just turn off all fear and simply run with the bones weapon and youll make 100 gems after defeating chronos

[thin laurel]

so you get hit like. once per boss phase if that 🤷 and if you can stack enough free hits to not die from 1 hit per phase then you just brain off at low fear if your build is strong

[nocturne grove]

Shouldve been 1000 gems

[wintry wharf]

I'll admit that seeing the ever so loathed Eye getting annihilated is satisfying
Still not Antlering

[restive pasture]

My experience with white antler is getting hit 3 times by the summit elite and losing my GCA run

[thin laurel]

see, when you don't have control over the choice to pick antler then it's not great lol

[wintry wharf]

I find Chaos trials so unrewarding that I never bother
WHY are 4-5 eye trials the same reward as ONE? Seriously at least freakin' give me 3 Stardusts

[restive pasture]

I would consider it on a mega armor run, but realistically I would just want to keep stacking armor with scarf

[wintry wharf]

Also the incantation to make repeat trials give bones is so useless
Why would anyone do a full trial for... 50 bones??

[restive pasture]

Chaos trials give you a sense of pride and accomplishment

[wintry wharf]

Like, at least make it anywhere on the range of 300-500 bones

[thin laurel]

tbh I just consider chaos trials a fun diversion, I'd prob do them if they had no rewards 🤷 I ran out of reasons to spend stardust and bones before I ran out of chaos trials

[wintry wharf]

Chaos Trials are either you're comically overpowered from the start so it's boring as heck, or they're the toughest, tightest stuff ever and they feel like a chore
Really meh

[dusky mountain]

Cheers, I looked there, must have missed that selection before

[restive pasture]

Most of them are completely braindead easy with like maybe 2 hard ones

[modest dirge]

any tips for black coat selene in terms of what boons and what gameplay loop

[thin laurel]

tbh I like them for "making new players try out builds they normally wouldn't," and for the fully randomized runs

[dusky mountain]

Great Chaos Above is legit hard

[restive pasture]

Yeah sorry I was excluding the Great Chaos runs

[thin laurel]

but it's also just a system you can choose to ignore if you want. same with fear, idk. if your only reason for turning on fear is to farm nightmares that's super understandable!
but I like pushing fear because it's fun + rewarding to finally win, so I engage with the system very differently than some other players might lol

[granite coral]

I'm 120 nights now and she never won the race... I can't keep the count but it is strange that the achievement is not completed

[wintry wharf]

Fear wise I only care about Nightmares and the boss variants yep, getting past 20 at all for the testatement with some weapons has been utterly painful

I've done 32 Heat in Hades 1, already at 20 it feels infinitely harder than 1's 32

[restive pasture]

Ares is the Godsent Hex, it can do major damage if you buff it up. Otherwise just play like Mel coat but slower

[thin laurel]

oh really? I feel like the general consensus is that h1 32 heat is MUCH harder than h2 32 fear

[modest dirge]

💀 the issue is I haven’t played coat at all

[thin laurel]

but I never bothered with any heat above like 12 in h1 so idk from personal experience

[wintry wharf]

I don't really see how
H2 is a tougher game by default imo, and the fears also feel much rougher

Also EM3 in Hades 1 was really quite free
VoR3 in 2 is just pain no matter what

[restive pasture]

It's pretty straight forward, dash and punch stuff, shoot rockets at groups or to tag things with curses

[candid nimbus]

I guess it makes sense, Hades 1 has like... What 52 Heat? 32/67 is not the same of 32/52 (or how much is it? I forgor 💀 )

[modest dirge]

ok ok I got u

[wintry wharf]

H1 caps at 64

[candid nimbus]

Nevermind then lmao

I also feel H2 has more forgiving modifiers. Denial is way better than the one that blocks 1 or 2 of your boons, for example

[wintry wharf]

The "fun" vow (Rivals) in 2 is much tougher than the fun vow that is Measures all around, and stuff like Shadow with literally cloned minibosses feels far worse than 1's equivalent of some armored minions and what such

[pallid cradle]

Your achievements are weird in that case. Mine unlocked fine back when I did it. I have 50/50

[wintry wharf]

Getting double dragon in Olympus makes me sigh and already kiss goodbye at a defiance

[restive pasture]

I feel like H2 has so many ways to break it, or become insanely hard to kill

[candid nimbus]

Oh, and H2 doesn't have a modifier that forces you to purge a boon every region

[thin laurel]

h2 just has more “free” vows tbh
rivals is harder I’d say, but there are ways to get to 32 gear without turning on anything too bad idk.
also hades 2 has a lot more op builds if you know what you’re doing

[wintry wharf]

Top 2 worst minibosses in 2:
1: Charydbis
2: That stupid dragon

[thin laurel]

the dragon is way easier to cheese tho.
any armor melting boon/hammer, shocking loss, twilight curse can even turn it into a sheep lol

[restive pasture]

I don't care for that plant turret guy in erebus

[thin laurel]

annoying miniboss if you lack the tools to deal with it! with dies in 2s if you do

[stoic urchin]

boar is worse than dragon for me

[wintry wharf]

Olympus in general is the most annoying area of the game imo
The amount of damage you take in 2 seconds with multi hits is plain absurd if a big turret or spinning guy or dragon miniboss fire barrage just catches you
And then Prometheus who is my sworn enemy with Rivals, and the worst boss of the game there

Yeaaah thinking about it, Olympus is my most hated of the 8 areas by far.

[meager garden]

oh it's not that bad

[restive pasture]

Olympus is pretty make or break depending on your build. It's definitely harder than Fields by quite a bit

[meager garden]

at least by that point you have boons and are also earning stuff like your second hammer

[wintry wharf]

Multi hit enemies are far too broken in Hades 2 imo, be the punchy guys or the turrets or such
NO regular enemy should ever deal like 50+ damage for catching you once 💀

[meager garden]

If you have a good chunk of fear on I think Rift is worse

or Erebus, that one's a meat grinder

[restive pasture]

Ugh yeah honestly thessaly sucks sometimes, anchor spammers or harpies

[meager garden]

plus olympus enemies too, which are made much worse in the rift arenas

[wintry wharf]

Anchor guys have waay too big of an AOE

[meager garden]

especially when they get giantified by fangs

Thankfully almost every enemy has been nerfed in Olympus so its a lot less hectic now

[wintry wharf]

So anyway, yeah, H2's Regular enemies are worse, bosses are all tougher, Rivals is WAY worse than Measures
Thus, 20 Fear>>>32 Heat

[restive pasture]

Am I imagining or could you attack projectiles more in H1? I don't remember that game being quite so bullet-helly as fighting charybdis or rival Scylla

[wintry wharf]

You could, I kinda hate they took that away

[meager garden]

Mel is way stronger than Zag in terms of gameplay imo, the buffed cast and better boons make her power up a lot more

[wintry wharf]

It would make people like Char or Olympus turrets more manageable

[wintry wharf]

Is her cast really stronger? So far in 2 I haven't seen anything that compares to Hunting Blades or most Mirage Shot builds or a fully truly realized Meme beam

[restive pasture]

Mel is strong af I agree. It gets to a point where it's ok if I get hit, I have 30% Dodge and 400 health

[meager garden]

cast = the circle
in Hades 1 it was the blood diamond

[wintry wharf]

I know, that's why I compared to some of 1's best casts 💀

[storm glen]

yeah for sure

[meager garden]

the amount of aoe curse it applies is crazy good, plus the innate slow and furies buff(now for groups of enemies)

Plus you dont gotta fetch it

[storm glen]

its also a lot more practical for non cast oriented runs

thats the key difference imo the cast in hades 1 was very niche outside of a few aspects

[wintry wharf]

Stiiiill in raw power nothing I've seen compares to Hunting Blades I think
Sure, Furies card is nice
Deleting Dad in 30 seconds with like 8 sawblades is even nicer

[meager garden]

demeter cast, hestia cast, even stuff like hera cast, just chuck that into any run

[restive pasture]

It's also insta dropping, I forgot how slow H1 cast was

[storm glen]

try circe wiht a beefed up storm ring and omega cast bonuses

[meager garden]

idk I dont think too much about getting the stars to align, I mostly try to make boring practical builds in my runs

[wintry wharf]

Achiles, Hera, Beowulf and Poseidon are all cast oriented aspects, dunno if that's quite just a niche of a few imo

[wintry wharf]

Hm alright

[meager garden]

circe or mel staff are probably the strongest aspects in the game

its crazy how solid they are

[wintry wharf]

... A default Mel aspect? Huh?

[restive pasture]

Is Mel staff just about spamming special basically?

[polar abyss]

For high fear specifically. For speedruns, it’s Medea and Charon probably

[meager garden]

charon speeds? neat

[polar abyss]

Sort of. It’s Dash Attack -> Special, Blitz Attack + % Special

[meager garden]

medea has been winning since forever

[restive pasture]

Ok that's what I thought. And it's just good because +40 power is big number

[meager garden]

yeah its just good cuz raw numbers and its versatile

[storm glen]

4/24

[storm glen]

yeah unlike most zag aspects the mel aspects in this game are actually quite competitive

[pallid cradle]

It's mainly because Mel Staff might as well be an easy button. Get Aphro special and just spam it. You'll win every time.

[wintry wharf]

Tbh when one of these is the best spear aspect and the other is the best shield aspect tied to Zeus, I think that matters too

[pallid cradle]

Bonus points if you get dual moonshot.

[restive pasture]

Does aphro special work at max Mel staff range?

[wintry wharf]

Aphrodite on a ranged attack?

[meager garden]

I dont think so but you just barrelstuff it

[restive pasture]

Fair

[pallid cradle]

You just shoot them pointblank.

[meager garden]

nothing is stopping you from playing close range staff

[wintry wharf]

Really? Wow, that is, surprising

[pallid cradle]

Cowardice

[meager garden]

solved by just getting over it
and also having a timer on

whats the worst aspect in h2

[polar abyss]

IMO (FOR HIGH FEAR), Mel Staff is better than the other aspects, Mel Blades and Coat are competitive with the other best aspect(s), Mel Torches is not the worst of its weapon but not the best, and Mel Skull and Mel Axe are potentially the worst of its weapon (but the competition is tight for both).

[wintry wharf]

Supay

[meager garden]

mel skull prob

[polar abyss]

You have to be more specific.

[wintry wharf]

You didn't specify what kind of "worst" thus Sup wins

[meager garden]

how lol

[storm glen]

its boring and awful

[wintry wharf]

It's boring as heck, had a super OP run with it where I no hit Hecate and Scylla, Cerb hit me once and Chronos hit me for 50 total damage
It was still the most boring run I ever had across both games

[meager garden]

eh I get boring
Maybe it falls off at 40+ fear

(I think it's pretty fun though)

[wintry wharf]

I dunno who thought that getting rid of 2 buttons for a secret aspect was a fun idea

[polar abyss]

It’s a contender for sure in my opinion. At high fear, you don’t get a dash boon C1, and you can’t hitstun things reliably, which is a problem for stuff like the Automatons, the Rocket Satyrs, potentially Hippos, and other enemies

[wintry wharf]

.... What's C1?

[polar abyss]

Chamber 1

[wintry wharf]

Ah

[meager garden]

Do people go for the dash part of it? I place it low priority

[polar abyss]

Vow of Forfeit means you don’t get a boon out the gate, so you don’t get a rush boon to start

[restive pasture]

I have a question if Mel staff good why Mel axe bad

[wintry wharf]

One is damage, one is HP

[polar abyss]

Well it’s either the rush boon, or blitz / weapon agnostic boon stacking

[meager garden]

I just click hestia special on supay usually, and rely on ospec

[restive pasture]

Doesn't Mel axe also give 50 power

[gritty vortex]

mel blades def the worst, weak aspect on a bad weapon

[meager garden]

doesnt apply to dash attack iirc
nvm I lied

[wintry wharf]

Anyway, Supay is boring as heck, only being able to spam Omega attacks and rain down hellfire on foes is boring as heck, and I don't feel any engaged when using it
I would prefer to use GUAN YU more than Supay and that's my most hated H1 aspect
At least that weapon makes me think!

[meager garden]

Idk why I find supay to be really engaging lol

[polar abyss]

Mel Axe is worse than Mel Staff because of how the weapons work. All of staff’s regular attacks are long straight lines of AoE. In contrast, Mel Axe has
Dash Attack (which while it does get the +Power, doesn’t have the same range as Attack),
Attack (which is so slow compared to Dash Attack),
or OAttack (which does not benefit from the power, requires Magick, and also can be slow / dangerous too if you aren’t careful)

[meager garden]

trying to keep up my damage on rival chronos before my ospecial runs out is fun

[wintry wharf]

A weapon with only half the buttons by default literally cannot be as engaging as any other weapon that has them imo

[storm glen]

mel axe aint bad

[meager garden]

hm idk, the freedom of movement feels more engaging then mashing away with limited movement

[restive pasture]

I also hate Supay but I rarely take rush boons that aren't Apollo

[polar abyss]

There is also OSpecial and Special, but Special doesn’t get a power bonus and also doesn’t have great AoE, and OSpecial has the same problems as OAttack, but instead it’s a higher Magick cost with better AoE (and also worse at clearing wards)

[storm glen]

everyone became a mel axe hater after mynt left the community

[meager garden]

you're always repositioning with supay, but you do spend a lot of time mashing away with something like morrigan

[meager garden]

tbf none of us can make it work
Idk how mynt did it

[restive pasture]

Idk who that is but rip Mynt

[wintry wharf]

Morrigan at least is basically a MMO weapon with how it works as if you were going down your rotations, and that's really cool

[storm glen]

ive found it to be effective

[thorny adder]

big slices, play like it's a fromsoft game

[polar abyss]

This, sort of. All aspects are “good” in that they can be cleared at 62 fear, and depending on the player, probably 65 and 67 (Vytautas and I have done all aspects 62 UW, and Aki has done all aspects 62 SF). And also all aspects can do pretty solid at speedrunning. But you can absolutely say an aspect is “bad” compared to a different aspect, of which Mel Axe (AT HIGH FEAR) is worse than Mel Staff

[meager garden]

idk its either mashing attack or doing the same combo over and over

I dont hate morrigan but its pretty mashy after a while

[restive pasture]

My favorite thing with morrigan is hitting two 777s with one omega special

[storm glen]

and you prefer the incredible free movement this game offers which is pretty much just a dash and a sprint

[wintry wharf]

I never mash attack with Morri, I always try to get Triad be it with the classic special-omega attack-attack, or throwing in Omega cast instead for omega rotation and whirling some specials and attacks

[meager garden]

well yeah
running is more engaging to me than slowly sliding while attacking

[thorny adder]

i love the idea of having to do good positioning due to having an unwieldy weapon while also having enough movement options to not get punished harshly

[thin laurel]

re: cast builds, I’d also say it’s notable that when people talk about op cast builds in hades 1 they generally revolve around a duo boon
whereas in hades 2 you can just say “circe + storm ring” lol. there are a LOT of op combos in h2 you can get into more easily than duos, idk

[meager garden]

is circe hestia still bad or really cracked now

[thorny adder]

double the scorch, but like... still need the increased scorch rate boon, so... eh?

[thin laurel]

circe storm ring can delete 1/3 of hecate’s HP before your cast expires (so 3 seconds lol) at low fear, and that’s in erebus where you haven’t had the time to get that deep into your build 🤷

[polar abyss]

It’s always been good: https://youtu.be/Lp3qf_Bi4vo?si=16Gp8esxKTFOiIsP

[thorny adder]

it's strictly better in that sense, but by how much is debatable

[polar abyss]

Oh. Didn’t load the image. Unfortunate.
But anyway, I used Circe Scorch cast several times in EA to clear 62 Fear. So yes it is very good

[thin laurel]

it’s always been good tbh
prob better AoE than storm ring, takes investment to be as good in single target I’d say since pyro technique matters so much for scorch

but investing in a single tier 2 boon is rly not that much investment lol

[meager garden]

Im just asking because the buff/fix it got in postpatch 1

[thin laurel]

def made it better in single target than it was before

[restive pasture]

Have people tried demeter+Ares Circe

[thorny adder]

imo it sucks

[thin laurel]

but arguably didn’t change how it performs pre-pyro technique…? since with a jpom build you’re prob already applying more scorch per second than you consume with just one smolder ring

[thorny adder]

the main drawback is that the cast follows you, which makes managing damage much more difficult since you need to dodge and figure out the cast positioning compared to just dropping it in place and only focusing on dodging

[thin laurel]

I misread lol

hostile environment is fine 🤷 but I wouldn’t go for it

[restive pasture]

Funny how that is a negative lol

Does it make your pet cast also follow? (Please say yes)

[thorny adder]

No

[restive pasture]

Sad

[thin laurel]

I think it’s also that demeter and ares aren’t like…. that important to prioritize for circe imo
sword ring is bad on circle, arctic ring is safe but not going to carry usually

[thorny adder]

Eh, take Ares for GB and have poseidon on cast

[thin laurel]

arctic gale is great and meat grinder can be good, but using rerolls to force hostile environment as opposed to just a better baseline cast set up seems iffy to me

it’s not the worst
I just think it’s not that notable on circe overall 🤷 and circe has very good safe passive damage which you give up when you make cast follow you lol

[thorny adder]

I mean, a Demeter Ares Circe build can work. Demeter’s Gale can enable Origination for whatever cast you eventually pick and Ares can do double damage

[thin laurel]

it can certainly work! I’d just be unlikely to fish for demeter and ares specifically, so imo using rerolls to force hostile environment is generally not the best use of rerolls unless it’s just for fun

[storm glen]

aspect of circle

[pallid cradle]

4 way tie between the costs

[inner tiger]

how do i report a bug? im playing on the steam deck and when the game crashed it said it needs a desktop to submit a bug report?

[pallid cradle]

Tbh it probably is Aspect of Selene at least imo.

[restive pasture]

Does the steam deck have a virtual keyboard with f10

[pallid cradle]

You used to be able to set a back button to F10 but apparently it caused issues.

[inner tiger]

i could just plug in a keyboard if its necessary

[pallid cradle]

I honestly recommend a Bluetooth keyboard for the Deck. If not for gaming, do it for when you use desktop mode.

[polar abyss]

That’s a pretty bold statement…

[thorny adder]

honestly, shiva is really good assuming low fear

[polar abyss]

I do agree with Selene being bad in general, and Shiva being bad at high fear. But Nyx and Mel Coat are solid

[devout cairn]

i mean it also cleared 67f

[restive pasture]

Is nergal considered good. I never hear anyone talk about it

[pallid cradle]

It's good with psychic whirlwind

[thorny adder]

just because it can clear doesn't mean it's good. you just have to work harder for the clear

[wintry wharf]

Nergal has the funniest name out of the 12 Secret aspects

[devout cairn]

i'd agree if more than 3 weapons had cleared 67f

[wintry wharf]

Followed by Morrigan because that just sounds like a very normal name in my greek game

[restive pasture]

The only Nergal I know is from fire emblem 7

[polar abyss]

Yeah? I guess… Out of all of the axes, it benefits probably the most from Psychic Whirlwind. But if you don’t have Psychic Whirlwind, it is fine at low fear, and not great at high fear

[pallid cradle]

Thanatos Axe

[polar abyss]

You don’t have to rely on Psychic Whirlwind for Than Axe

You can play it by spamming % / Blitz Attack

[storm glen]

big fan of this build i like to call sleepy than where you stack all the water gods and hold left clock

[polar abyss]

Is that better than Psychic Whirlwind Than Axe? Probably not. But without Psychic Whirlwind, Than Axe has something. Nergal meanwhile just spams Dash Attack / Special to try and tank through encounters.

[pallid cradle]

I can't say I've ever used the special intentionally on Nergal

[neon hull]

is nergal any good?

[storm glen]

i use it because it has a good noise

[polar abyss]

I was thinking of using Special to quickly proc Berserk, and also a status condition

[pallid cradle]

The omega special for Nergal is hands down one of the funniest things in Hades 2. I would love to see a build completely revolving around it.

[polar abyss]

And in my Surface 62 Nergal clear, I actually used it a few times. Even with Psychic Whirlwind being C1 iirc.

[wintry wharf]

Nergal is literally the Dark Souls strenght meme build

[pallid cradle]

What's that dude's name in DS3 the guy who protects the faith blessing lady? It's him

[wintry wharf]

Eygon

[pallid cradle]

Yea, him

[fallow nebula]

Got to chronos god knows how

[pallid cradle]

You're just built different

[fallow nebula]

I never even beat cerberus before this attempt

He destroyed me ofc, well I got half his health from the furst stage

[pallid cradle]

[restive pasture]

Hell yeah you got this

[meager garden]

easy peasy time now

[wintry wharf]

Aspect of Hel vs Lucifer
Which is your favorite Gun?

[fallow nebula]

Thnx, I haven't got much with the game

[pallid cradle]

Hel

[wintry wharf]

I'll go Luci, ol' reliable, and Hel is basically halfway trying to play like Lucifer by going water gun lmao

[polar abyss]

Congrats, but tbh, you should probably stay out of this channel if you are new, cause spoilers may or may not be blocked with spoiler markers

There is the #h2-for-new-players if you need tips for the game with spoiler markers always included.

[storm glen]

neither they both suck

[wintry wharf]

WAT

[storm glen]

i think theyre both bottom 1 for me in both games

[wintry wharf]

Oh hey, my good friend Lucifer called, he says he's gonna drag you down
Sorry, his word, not mine

[storm glen]

id kiss him but not his gun

[rotund tree]

Errrm I think you mean Eris' aspect 2

[neon hull]

giggity

[restive pasture]

I liked the rail but I really don't like hel

[fallow nebula]

I don't care that much tbh

[rotund tree]

Aspect of hel is awesome

[fallow nebula]

I am here for the gameplay mainly

[restive pasture]

Gamer alert 🚨

[storm glen]

gamer police incoming

[neon hull]

omg we got a gamer in here

[wintry wharf]

Question, I wanna start discussion of H1 Secret aspects vs their H2 equivalents, like, Arthur vs Anubis for the starter weapon
But I dunno what would be some of the weapon equivalents LMAO
Would Shiva be compared to Gilgamesh or Beowulf for example?? It's a Shield Fist weapon

[rotund tree]

There's still surprises to be had in game mechanics that would be better experienced blind but if you're a gamer I won't stop you

[fallow nebula]

I mean, I know the story is good but the ending is awful so...

[storm glen]

its not anymore

[neon hull]

fair

[fallow nebula]

They changed the ending?

[restive pasture]

I think you should give it a chance before letting others sway your opinion

[neon hull]

oh?

[storm glen]

ya

[fallow nebula]

I mean I will see for myself, but I don't care about spoilers

[craggy totem]

#hades2-patch-notes

[storm glen]

its pretty solid these days

[rotund tree]

Gal who loses all interest in the narrative because of a Twitter post saying the ending sucks

[fallow nebula]

It's not that I lost interest, I don't care much that's all

Spoilers don't ruin a story for me

[storm glen]

i get it games have to earn your attention with their stories imo

[fallow nebula]

The best part of a story is not the what, but the how

[neon hull]

i love the story personally. mainly cus i love greek mythology lol

[wintry wharf]

Okay huh...
Guys
Arthur vs Anubis
Guan Yu vs Morrigan (lmao)
Supay vs Rama
Lucifer vs Hel
Beowulf vs Shiva
Nergal vs Gilgamesh I guess

Which of each equivalent set you prefer?

Imo...
Arthur
Morrigan
Rama
Lucifer
Shiva
Nergal

[rotund tree]

There's really no direct equivalent for any of them except the gun and skull if we're being fr, weapon variety is the most striking difference between the games they're nothing alike

[storm glen]

Anubis
Morrigan
Rama
Both bad
Shiva
Gilgamesh

[fallow nebula]

The medium is the message -Marshall Mcluhan

[wintry wharf]

Yeaah just going with bases like "the default weapon" "the ranged" "the big super blow" and what such lmao

[fallow nebula]

The medium is the massage

[rotund tree]

Aspect of hel is goated 💔

[fallow nebula]

[storm glen]

freaky

[wintry wharf]

Hel is my second favorite H2 Aspect
I just love Luci too much

[fallow nebula]

U know what I'm talking about right?

[storm glen]

if its message then yeah if its massage the no

[neon hull]

god i love psychic whirlwind

[rotund tree]

I like Lucifer as a change of pace but tbh I like the 3 regular guns more so I would never vote for it

Inferno tower is just whatever and the specials I never really got into making traps or whatever I just end up blowing them up instantly either way

[wintry wharf]

I just really appreciate that Luci can do multiple different things for varied builds
LIke sure can just go regular gun build with stacks, or super soaker or such, then special you can be fancy with Aphro for big damage, Zeus for insta ignition, Athena for shield orbitals

I think it is really quite varied for a H1 weapon imo

I remember my first Luci win was Athena special and literally going inside my Hellfire and let enemies kill themselves a lot lol

[fallow nebula]

Hmm the medium is the massage is a book by marshal mcluhan. The title was mispelled, he meant message, but he left it like that anyways

It talks about a lot of stuff, mainly that the message in itself doesn't matter that much, but where it's transmitted (tv, newspaper, film) and how is more inpactful and that changes how people percieve the message, changing its meaning completely

[wintry wharf]

Also, Lucifer has the lore plot factor of cool
Because it confirms in this universe
Lucifer shot God with a gun

And that does sound quite badass LOL

[fallow nebula]

He was a futurologist. He predicted the internet and the communities on them, he called communities like discord servers the global village, his theory said that when all the small communities are connected somehow, despite space, they will notice that they are bigger than they thought, and that would have negative and positive effects on society.

A futurologist is someone that predicts the future btw

With stats and knowledge, not magic or stuff like that

[wintry wharf]

What is the weakest non Zag/Mel aspect across both games?

[fallow nebula]

Hmmm, chaos?

[wintry wharf]

Oh yeah, so underwhelming
After that I cast my vote for Hades tbh

[fallow nebula]

So, in summary, it's both lol

[wintry wharf]

Also Chaos Aspect does not feel chaotic at all which makes it even worse
Maybe should've been after Bull rush, launch 2-10 shields or something LMAO
A variable number

[rotund tree]

A laser gun SL, a laser gun

[wintry wharf]

Even cooler ye

[rotund tree]

https://tenor.com/view/worst-day-of-my-life-so-far-simpsons-bart-homer-gif-22829779

:(

[fallow nebula]

Yeah chaos has no impatc over anything

[wintry wharf]

I get why the Progenitor stopped using their own aspect
Their first attempt at a weapon was terrible

[jolly wing]

WTF

I am going to get 3 Hermes boons on Region 1 on the Surface.

And I didn't reach the shop yet.

Hermes appeared twice on the shrine. I still have Hermes room available too.

[fallow nebula]

Maybe the take would be that sometimes you don't launch a shield, reflecting his boons

[wintry wharf]

Special can launch one out of any of the other 5 weapons

[rotund tree]

Pretty rare but sadly not busted just kinda cool

Wonder what's the max you can get though

[fallow nebula]

I need to watch a vid on melinoe's weapons

Any good ones?

[wintry wharf]

Okay guys, my last run before I get the conversation post epilogue and stop H2 for a while
Which weapon, aspect and final boss I go for?

[fallow nebula]

Axe

[rotund tree]

What

[storm glen]

medea special only typhon

[wintry wharf]

Pfft

[fallow nebula]

It's weird that this game is twice as big as 1

[rotund tree]

You gotta finish with Rival chronos

[wintry wharf]

True, good point, what aspect?

[rotund tree]

I would've picked my fav moros (i think that's the umbral flames one where it lingers)

Not sure if I had the right name

[fallow nebula]

I think moros is hot

[craggy totem]

Yep, Moros.

[wintry wharf]

That is Moros, alright, haven't touched it in like 60 nights so sure, nothing like finishing thanks to Meli's lover

[rotund tree]

And bring Frinos

[wintry wharf]

I always do 😆

[fallow nebula]

Can you get more relatives besides the frog?

[wintry wharf]

Sooo since I haven't touched Moros in a hot minute
Build for Final Run?

[rotund tree]

Alright now invest everything you can into gamma attack and have fun :)

[neon hull]

how do i complete the prophecy where i meet the three fates?

[jolly wing]

I think I regret not going for Chaos room on Region 1 at Surface.

I thought I didn't need Chaos since I'm running Staff with Poseidon Attack, though

if I had gotten Chaos Cast damage boost, then Chaos room would've been worth it.

[rotund tree]

Keep giving gifts to the listed characters

[red fox]

Sorry but you only get gathering boost

[neon hull]

i didn't see a list of characters

[rotund tree]

(The city's called Ephyra btw)

[wintry wharf]

With that 60% I see with Moros, imma assume Aphro attack?

[rotund tree]

Then just keep playing you're not there yet

[neon hull]

ok

[rotund tree]

No idea which one's optimal but Moros allows you to keep your enemies at the distance of your gamma special at all times so I wouldn't take Aphro
Unless you're a freak that will only use normal specials

[craggy totem]

Gamma special: when you put Demeter on the Moros special

[red fox]

Nah that's grandma special

[rotund tree]

I'm a beta normal 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔

[jolly wing]

Moros with Fast Channel Speed and Fine Line with Ocean Swell:

Delete Button

[wintry wharf]

Neaat
So, Apollo? Big booms?

[rotund tree]

Imo demeter or hephaestus on special
Apollo Zeus or Poseidon on attack (uncles if you build into it with duos and such)

Make sure to target boons that add an effect to your gamma omega

[wintry wharf]

Thankies

[rotund tree]

Why the hell did i say gamma omega

I meant omega moves I should go sleep lmao

[neon hull]

i was wondering the same thing 😂

[wintry wharf]

Alright, took 3 reroll stones, buuut Heroic Apollo attack C3 with Moros is a promising start for my Final ™ run (for a while)

[restive pasture]

the fact that you can chrolex chaos for like 600 gold

that almost seems better than any chaos boon you might get

[storm glen]

imo its more useful for taking the free room and avoiding the curse

[wintry wharf]

Sooo I got a question
Why does every other character lose their weapon if it's related to an Infernal/Nocturnal arm, like Arty had to give away her daggers, or Zag lost his gun and what such
But Hecate gets to keep her Umbral flames?
Only now I actually wonder that

[restive pasture]

true true. i need to get into speed mindset i guess

[fallow nebula]

[thorn badge]

kinda hard to explain without spoiling anything. have you gotten the true ending or no?

[wintry wharf]

||Wait, so you mean that as Meli, those WERE her main weapon?||

[merry whale]

have u learned about hecate's backstory yet

prob

[thorn badge]

||most likely yea||

[wintry wharf]

||... Don't the Infernal/Nocturnal arms take from across space and time? Shouldn't she still lose her flames anyway when Melinoe takes them even so??||

[thorn badge]

||not entirely sure about the time and space question all we know about hecates flames is that they dont belong in the timeline and she suspects thats how the fates discovered that she doesnt belong||

[wintry wharf]

Oh, my gods
Okay, this Moros run might just be my strongest run yet potentially, its full power at rank 5 is nuts
Vermin King died in literally 3 seconds

Alright, best torch aspect, what a time to find out, LOL

Aaalso, so, Glamour Gain does Not recover magick during torch attack? Why

[red fox]

When you are channeling it stop

[wintry wharf]

That really sucks haha, had no idea

[red fox]

Thats why glamour gain is not that good for heavy magick build for mana regen

[stark gull]

Does anyone have a high res picture of ||Artemis's status in the Hall?||

[neon hull]

what is then?

[storm glen]

hera apollo demeter zeus poseidon

[neon hull]

ok

[haughty galleon]

glamour gain is the best if u dont need much mana, cuz it applies a debuff, but it gains slower than almost all

[neon hull]

fair enough. i personally prefer ionic gain and cardio gain myself. tranquil gain is good too

[haughty galleon]

I like hera/apollo best, zeus is good but i find it annoying to track same w/ poseidon

demeter gain is fine but never my preference

hestia is also really good in some builds

[gritty vortex]

demeter gain could fill 1000% of my magick per second and i still wouldnt take it lol, standing feels so bad

[haughty galleon]

my brain is slow, i like the ones i can use without having to think about it

[red fox]

Heph gain only exist for that duo give dmg reduction at cost of magick

[haughty galleon]

heph is also really good if u are barely using magic, forgot about that

its good on some builds with ||the guy they prob havent unlocked yet|| also

[red fox]

I won't say really good, it just did something

[haughty galleon]

doing something is a lot better than doing nothing tbf

it can be a dead slot and u can control it if things change in a way u cant with glamor gain

[red fox]

That something is a lot of time i rather let it get deleted by denial because heph armor boon are great for survival

[haughty galleon]

def, much different when u use denial

without denial u gotta fill the slot or it blocks u constantly by offering

[tranquil vine]

god i love morrigan daggers, they so satisfying

[thorn badge]

they're my personal favorite aspect in the game

[tranquil vine]

based

[wintry wharf]

Holy heck, hitless Rival Chronos phase 1, I'd either just apparently resist or dodge it all lmao

[neon hull]

i have been shrunk

[wintry wharf]

Okay seriously, I dunno what's saving me so much, I just resisted the CHRONOS ONESHOT after I got frozen in time

Am I just constantly hitting dodge chances with Wispy? But it said Resisted tho rather sure

[neon hull]

how tf?

[wintry wharf]

Idk??? And it's not the Lovers, it's not even fully upgraded and I already got hit twice before

[thin laurel]

which familiar? there's also nitro boost, armor, and yeah dodge like you said

[wintry wharf]

Could it be Nitro because I got frozen in time while sprinting??

[thin laurel]

it could be...? I'm unsure how that interaction works tbh

[neon hull]

possibly

[wintry wharf]

Oh wow that really is goated

[neon hull]

yea nitro boost goes hard

[thin laurel]

also did he get to 50% hp while you were frozen...? because sometimes if you're dealing damage to him while frozen via casts/scorch/blitz etc then he can hit 50% and cancel the move lol even if it looks like it should go off

[wintry wharf]

Nope, the oneshot move went through and I saw Resisted pop up

[neon hull]

if i ever get the opportunity to get nitro boost, i take it. no matter what my build is

[wintry wharf]

Sooo if this is true, Nitro goes hard for Rival 4 runs?

[thin laurel]

yeah then that has to be nitro boost, lovers, or snow queen I think
or Gale ig, but idr if Gale says "resisted"
a dodge wouldn't say resisted

[wintry wharf]

I am with Frog

[thin laurel]

nitro goes hard always, extremely good hermes boon lol and even better with rarity

[wintry wharf]

Yeah it was chamber 1 Epic Nitro

[craggy totem]

Gale says Blocked, Resisted is probably Lovers/etc

[thin laurel]

YES right blocked, I felt like it was a diff word but couldn't remember it
and you do use Gale a lot so would know!
(even if you didn't notice Gale going underground lmao)

[neon hull]

unfortunately i didn't get that option in my current run when i got a hermes boon. so i went with hard target

[wintry wharf]

Sooo, Rival Chronos phase 2 is at 50% HP aaand...
I am at 300/300 LMAO
I took 0 hits

[thin laurel]

hard target also not bad 🤷 but idk, I like most hermes boons in this game

[neon hull]

same tbh

[craggy totem]

My eyes understand words and nothing else 😂

[thin laurel]

too literate for your own good smh

[neon hull]

are boss projectiles affected by hard target or nah?

[rotund tree]

Pausing grandpa

[wintry wharf]

WHAT THE HECK BRUH

[craggy totem]

Most of them are; I don't know whether all of them are or not.

[wintry wharf]

||The sand clocks healed him from 50% to like 85%! BRUH||

[neon hull]

ok

[neon hull]

yea that's why you gotta kill them immediately

[rotund tree]

I mean yeah they tend to do that

You can't burst him down as easily on rivals

[wintry wharf]

In Retaliation I phase shifted him with the ugprade for like 30% attack speed boost and took him from 70% to 15% in one hex 😆

[neon hull]

||especially not in 3rd phase (i haven't fought rivals chronos yet but i did watch a guide on it for when i do).||

[rotund tree]

Booo

[wintry wharf]

Phase Shift with Moros aspect went absurdly hard this run
I also got the hammer for 20% faster firing in general
So with phase shift it's a skull machine gun that then explodes

[rotund tree]

Watching a guide on a boss you haven't seen yet 💔 💔

What are you doing

[neon hull]

maybe i wanna be prepared for a hard boss?

[thin laurel]

kill them immediately :) or ||simply white antler and kill him faster than they can heal him in like 4-6 seconds||
the propaganda must continue

[wintry wharf]

I think my favorite Hex is Night Bloom, then Moon Water, then Phase Shift, then Total Eclipse

[neon hull]

night bloom is goated

[thin laurel]

for me wolf howl and twilight curse are currently my favorites since they’re so reliably good with zero investment.
wolf howl lets you dodge so much lol

[wintry wharf]

Everlasting Bloom vs Typhon and summoning one of the flying eyes while also Godsent by Hera

[thin laurel]

but with heavy investment I love night bloom the most, then lunar ray and total eclipse prob. fully maxed out lunar ray is absurd

[wintry wharf]

More damage than anything you could do yourself

[thin laurel]

btw, success rate affects the crit chance from Hera godsent >:)
and it’s a fairly high number to begin with as crit goes

[wintry wharf]

Yo, good to know

[thin laurel]

also don’t actually do this if you haven’t gotten used to it with baseline gramps lol
it IS fun but don’t start on hard mode, not everyone is metal

[craggy totem]

I tried a Morrigan run earlier and it felt as awkward as Morrigan always feels to me but on the other hand I got Success Rate together with the double Triad hammer lmao

Hermes is the secret real MVP of the game, please add Hermes gain and g--

[wintry wharf]

Also about Phase Shift, can we agree it is THE best anti Chronos hex?
Good reason to have a cauldron incantation needed for it to even work on him
Even just the Hex upgrade to delete projectiles makes him a pushover
Add in the other goodies like more lenght and attack speed and Time is in Time Out

[neon hull]

should i sacrifice blue cardio gain for purple ionic gain?

[craggy totem]

No

[thin laurel]

I hate ionic gain with a passion so no

[red fox]

Unless you like playing hide and seek

[craggy totem]

TFW Ionic Gain spawns the aether font directly inside of a hurt zone

[thin laurel]

unless cardio is actively bad on your weapon I guess lol
but if cardio is giving you enough magick, why change?

[neon hull]

fair enough. my other options are arc flash and air quality

[craggy totem]

Arc Flash is sick as hell if you are applying Blitz frequently and AQ is good if you have a lot of fast low damage ticks going on

....assuming you have enough air elements anyway

[thin laurel]

also, honestly I feel like wolf howl pops off more versus p3 chronos! it charges so fast that you can spam it after basically every attack if you’re using magick, and you get an absurd number of iframes from it.
phase shift can be good but is also expensive 🤷 and can also be weird for timer since it makes invulnerable phases last longer too

[neon hull]

i mean, i have storm ring and zeus special

[thin laurel]

do you have anything which would benefit from air quality? static shock, demeter gales, prominence flare, a weapon with low base damage like Hel/Anubis…?

[wintry wharf]

WOOO!
Rival Chronos done without dying once

[neon hull]

i have a demeter boon that makes my casts have a gale on them. also what do you mean by "base damage"?

[thin laurel]

oh if you have Demeter gales then I’d grab air quality! great combo.
and I just mean weapons where the damage they do at baseline is low enough that you won’t realistically get above 50 with damage% boosts from arcana

[neon hull]

yea i think i'll just go with air quality

[thin laurel]

i.e. supay iirc does 10 and 15 damage on its non-omega attack and special, so air quality is pretty much always going to be more useful than more % boosts since the starting numbers are so low

[neon hull]

i have circe staff

[craggy totem]

That does double your gales lol

[wintry wharf]

Posted in boasting, it was an absurd run

[thin laurel]

oh yeah circe staff with arctic gale and air quality is FUN!!
also idk if air quality affects the psychic leash…? idk how fast it ticks, it might buff it tbh

[neon hull]

ik. i'm still going with air quality tho

[craggy totem]

? No, doubling your gales is a reason to take AQ

[neon hull]

oh ok

[craggy totem]

Do you remember the thing about fast low damage ticks because like

[thin laurel]

HM. where should I look up how much leash deals per tick, speedcord has nothing easily findable…

oh wait it totally benefits lol

[craggy totem]

It's in the game cos it's the thing that gets leveled up

[thin laurel]

30 damage every 0.2 seconds to 50, pretty reasonable
might be pushed over the edge with orig furies tho

[neon hull]

damn, i need to get more air elements

[thin laurel]

I wasn’t sure if it said the actual tick rate, i.e. when scorch used to work with air quality that wasn’t obvious from how it was worded

[craggy totem]

Huh how does Scorch work with Success Rate (or did, I should say)

[thin laurel]

since scorch deals 100 base dmg a second, but it ticks more than once a second so the damage per tick is not reflected in the tooltip

sorry, air quality*

[red fox]

Success rate?!

[craggy totem]

OH okay

[red fox]

I thought some spegthetii happened

[thin laurel]

but that’s why I was unsure if the circe in game text would make it clear lol

also, un-asked for take of the night: highly flammable is imo hestia’s worst boon

I welcome any objections or differing opinions, but I never click that thing

[craggy totem]

I think it's theoretically a good take if you don't otherwise have a lot of scorch application (i.e. great-auntie is just a minor part of your build)

[neon hull]

i don't even remember what that does

[thin laurel]

I suppose
but in that situation I would simply rather not pick scorch

[storm glen]

ehhh thats like +5 dmg per tick realistically aint it

[thin laurel]

still likely to do Something at least which is nice lol
but having arctic gale is way more reason to take it on circe

[red fox]

I take it when cast is my only scorch and other boon do even less

[storm glen]

might be in contention for worst boon in the game

certainly bottom 10 if you don't count the stuff icarus/medea/circe gives you

[red fox]

Like controlled burn when i not playing omega special and a sac boon

[thin laurel]

I think it also just adds insult to injury when I get offered it instead of pyro technique lol

[wintry wharf]

Got that conversation post epilogue

||Why do so many people misinterpret her words and task online? Death to Chronos wouldn't randomly make Melinoe loop back to the past, Hec literally says plainly she went into subconscious, mixed time with nightmares, and that caused the whole trouble, not killing Chronos||

[storm glen]

imo worst boons for each god unprompted:

• power surge (zeus)
• rousing reception (hera)
• local climate (demeter)
• tough gain (heph)
• meat grinder (ares)
• highly flammable (hestia)
• secret crush (aphro)
• extra dose (apollo)
• high surf (poseidon)

[wintry wharf]

Alright, fully completed epilogue, and I got my 100th night dialogue with Odysseus too so, quite the number to end

[thin laurel]

I’d say highly flammable is my least favorite out of that list
most of the others I’ve had at list a couple runs where they do well, even if the use case is pretty niche

[storm glen]

i HATE power surge

[thin laurel]

I dislike it but it pops off with mirrored thrasher
and being genuinely good on literally one build is still better than no builds lol

[storm glen]

counterpoint mirrored thrasher is the lamest build in the game

hurr durr m1 ass gameplay

[thin laurel]

eh, disagree, that’s just a taste thing and fun is subjective,
but I still think being good for a build you dislike makes it a better boon than “literally always bad”

[red fox]

Tbf...which zeus boon is worse than that lol

[rustic basin]

It’s telling when Highly Flammable barely feels any better with JPom

[red fox]

Revenge?gain?

[storm glen]

highly flammable has more than one use id argue tbh

[craggy totem]

I have had Poseidon Waves show up on the damage done board with High Surf as the only wave-creating boon 😆 Probably different calculus when you're doing Fear but.... I love High Surf.

[thin laurel]

oh I agree that it’s the worst zeus boon lol! just not the worst boon sand put on that list

[storm glen]

when you have a low rarity scorch cast that doesnt do 100/s highly flammable keeps it on an enemy for a bit longer

[rustic basin]

Zeus Gain is unironically one of my favorites. Apollo and Pos are above it, but otherwise I like Zeus a lot

[covert badge]

power surge is super niche but its fun to build around ngl

[storm glen]

and one use on one boon across 24 weapons is more than one use on one hammer on one weapon

[neon hull]

i like zeus gain too

[thin laurel]

eh I mean. mirrored thrasher makes power surge actively great, but it’s decent on any omega spam weapon even if it’s very meh.
I’d say there are multiple builds where it’s doing more for you than highly flammable lol

[red fox]

I am so used to jpom highly flammable....yea that number is +3

[storm glen]

can we all agree that Easy Shot is the #1 boon though

it has to be an active running joke in the dev team to make the two arrow-based artemis boons the worst goddamn boons in the entire game

[neon hull]

i forgot about embed fail

[wintry wharf]

Support Fire still exists tho and that's arrows

[thin laurel]

that’s the other boon sand was referring to with “the two arrow based boons in the game”

[wintry wharf]

How is that one of the worst?? It's just like in H1 and it was great

[red fox]

Unless i got air quality I don't remember it show up on top 5 dmg dealt whenever i get it

[wintry wharf]

I use daggers a lot so guess that's why I am one of its few fans huh 🤷‍♂️

[storm glen]

its "great" at dealing 20 dps that doesnt even hit the enemy most of the time

[covert badge]

worst boons imo:

any ranged cast: i hope it has nostrils so it can choke
flutter strike/flourish: boring af
dazzling display: blinding rush exists
blood spree & plentiful forage: straight up don’t work with scars
buried treasure: completely overshadowed by quick buck, only works with location rewards, bones cant be converted with artificer ffs why is this a thing

[thin laurel]

it’s fairly bad sadly.
low damage, and iirc there’s a hidden limit on the number of arrows that can be in the air at once or something…? so even on fast weapons it’s like. okay ish with air quality.
I love it, it’s super fun, but it’s not good by any means lol

[red fox]

Damn i love range cast

[storm glen]

flutter strike is bad flutter flourish is actually cracked tho

[wintry wharf]

You dislike Lightning Lance?

[thin laurel]

are you on controller lol
I feel like “whether you’re using mouse” determines how good ranged casts feel for some ppl

[covert badge]

ranged cast never clicks for me and never will

[storm glen]

the ranged casts are all fine on controller imo except lightning lance where the placement is RNG

[red fox]

Other than tipsy, i use range cast on controller just fine

[storm glen]

tipsy shot is definitely good for something i think i need to use it more

[wintry wharf]

I mean, adding like 400 damage to any cast is obviously good

[tranquil vine]

every hades run is battle between my rational self and the monkey inside me that wants to click purple boons

[red fox]

Tipsy dmg is fkin high

[storm glen]

just click purple boons they have stronger effects

[red fox]

But the cast come out so slow that it hurt me

[thin laurel]

purple power surge over common static shock 🔥

[storm glen]

got me up to 40f in EA when the only way to make a sane looking fear setup was to put on vow of suffering

and im the worst hades 2 player in the entire world

[storm glen]

50 damage compared to 10 thats a 5x increase

[real dock]

anyone have any idea how people area able to immediately tell that a room is artemis

[covert badge]

timer has paused

[real dock]

ohh im stupid

[nocturne grove]

Does grievous blow only proc on the weapon hit or global

[thin laurel]

global afaik but I’m only 80% sure

[storm glen]

its global

[nocturne grove]

Ypu can also tell if athena is about to show up if lots of enemies show up in the final wave

[real dock]

yeah that one i figured

[nocturne grove]

I cant believe I didnt do an armor run yet

We will be clicking sash in zero fear

[storm glen]

A true witch doesn't need to see --:--:--, Melinoe. She goes by pure animal instinct.

[nocturne grove]

I also need to do the stupid chaos egg thing which I hate because you cant make a build around it

If you get gift gift gift can you take it off and finish the challenge?

[real dock]

wdym

[thin laurel]

achievement for getting to gramps with arcahne dress intact, I assume

[covert badge]

iirc no?

[red fox]

I just run a low fear run and call it a day

[nocturne grove]

Taking silken sash and arachne armor all the way to chronos

[real dock]

ohh

its pretty easy to be honest i was surprised

[nocturne grove]

You dont need silken sash but thats the only way the armor is surviving

[red fox]

Just don't get hit™

[storm glen]

when i did it i took off silken sash when my armor was getting low and put on hephs keepsake to get heavy metal

[thin laurel]

heph start also works
or just use a ranged weapon at low fear and take one of the dresses that starts with 40+ armor

[nocturne grove]

Guy like me is clicking golden dress

[real dock]

i mean if you're playing a safe aspect its usually fine. i just played mel staff, started with heph keepsake and had sash the rest of the run

[storm glen]

you should also use strength for the damage reduction

[nocturne grove]

Someone told me it doesnt apply? But I use strength regardless

[nova oar]

My run got accepted i'm officially a wr holder

[real dock]

okay well if you wanan click an actual good dress then maybe you should start with sash lol

[thin laurel]

oh hell yeah!!!! finally, that took ages to go thru

[real dock]

it does im pretty sure? i dont see why it wouldnt apply

[nova oar]

Over a week, makes me want to start playing again

[covert badge]

strength doesnt work with armor iirc

[real dock]

which one?

[nova oar]

Used to, not anymore

[real dock]

huh weird okay

[nova oar]

Aspect of shiva uw any fear

[real dock]

well its still worth using strength ocnsidering its free damage bc you're not even losing your armour so you wont need dds

[storm glen]

it was broken and they took it away

[fallow nebula]

I unlocked tula!!!

[thin laurel]

sleepy kitty acquired

[fallow nebula]

Is she good? I love cats

[covert badge]

free flat dd is good
more fishes = more bones
also ||best costume, she's so cute with the witch hat||

[nocturne grove]

Why would it even be broken

[fallow nebula]

What is dd?

[nocturne grove]

Like with security system? But that doesnt even work in bossing

[thin laurel]

she's okay! I would use her always if she was better lol because a cat familiar would be ideal for me.
she gives you an extra death defiance which is quite nice, and she does some mild damage to enemies
she also makes fish more common and skips the fishing minigame

[real dock]

did my first run with shiva today it was the worst thing ever

[nocturne grove]

Shiva is tough Idk what Im doing wrong

Are you supposed to have a single ball proc night multiple times? Is that how it works

[storm glen]

it was just broken in general ppl were ending up with builds where trusty shield could facetank an entire room

[fallow nebula]

Skipping the fishing minigame is actually so good

[nocturne grove]

When the gaia gives you her greatest giftt

[meager elk]

dd - death defiance
the extra lives thing

[nocturne grove]

Also they changed demeter to be with every resource which is like broken

Thats just free healing every three rooms

[nova oar]

Have you finished surface? I have clips of what it's supposed look like in the ||typhon|| fight

[real dock]

yeah i was doing a 12 fear surface run wiht it lol

it was fine and i cleared but idk maybe the wearpons just not for me

[nocturne grove]

Show and teach

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/91b9YuO

[analog sail]

ive used it twice and both times i got the hammer that makes a blast whenever o.special hits you

[real dock]

ill have to watch some gameplay

[nova oar]

My speedrun is also up on the leadboard

It's not very good but it gives you a rough idea

[thin laurel]

my most recent shiva run was based around that hammer lol and was a "no attack" run because I thought it would be fun and funny
love that hammer

[real dock]

hm i feel like you're channeling way faster than me

[nova oar]

It is a nice hammer

[nocturne grove]

Temu possessed array

[thin laurel]

honestly all the unique shiva hammers are neat except one

[nova oar]

Sorceress and probably a Hermes boon

[real dock]

seems like apollo is pretty great, i was using aphro attack and demeter special

[nova oar]

(We don't talk about that one)

[nocturne grove]

Apollo is busted but your omega special takes 75 magic for one

[nova oar]

I love double apollo, but any %damage works

[real dock]

??

[nocturne grove]

Apollo legendary

[thin laurel]

oh you mean apollo leg?
even just apollo special alone is very good tbh, makes your AoE cover practically the whole screen

[nocturne grove]

guy like me is clicking apollo legendary

[real dock]

oh i wasnt necessarily talking aboutt exceptional talnet just the core boonss on shiva

[nova oar]

It's so nice to have but it uses so much mana

[nocturne grove]

Guy like me also has lucid gain heroic

[real dock]

i love lucid gain my beloved

[thin laurel]

it's nice to have but also knowing it only doubles the first hit of the Ωspecial makes me less tempted to grab it tbhhh

[real dock]

certified born gain hater over here

[nocturne grove]

The omega special is not why were here

Born again is amazing it keeps huntress active while still giving you a bunch of regen but it cant keep up with shivas hunger

[thin laurel]

I mean yes, but also I love shiva omega special lol
ik doubling the attack is the more relevant part of the leg

[real dock]

tell that to my heroic level 5 born gain and like 300 magick run

i think i literally popped born gain twice in my typhon fight

[thin laurel]

also idk, again I'm out here doing specials only shiva now and then lately so like. I want it to affect the special too lol

[nocturne grove]

I also did a run with thanatos and the 35% attack speed I just turned off omega attacks and pretended they didnt exist

I hate that it only gives crit to omegas we were so close to the perfect weapon

[thin laurel]

(also speaking of which, prob time to do some more 40s in the next hour or so... I think I'm just going to finish up UW since I only have four aspects left for that)

[storm glen]

whichone wtf

[thin laurel]

dash strike

[storm glen]

oh that one isnt even bad its just aggressively mid

[nova oar]

4 stacks is better than 3

[thin laurel]

"mooncrest riser" or something is the actual name, but it's the dash strike hammer
and yeah it's aggressively mid, it's not going to ruin your build but the fact that optimal shiva gameplay avoids dash strikes is like. lmao. wow great hammer, if I play well I'll never benefit from it 👍

[storm glen]

i end up accidently using the dash attack anyway so might as well right

[nocturne grove]

What if I got epic artemis dash omega boon

[storm glen]

doing a dash into a normal into oatk is faster than dash attack oatk

[thin laurel]

you'd still not want to use the dash attack lol? that artemis boon doesn't affect dash strikes anyway
you'd prob dash Ωspec Ωatk, or dash + stand still/special to cancel the dash animation then Ωatk

it's not that dashing is bad on shiva, just that the dash attack is slow af compared to the normal attack sequence

[storm glen]

dashing is bad on shiva because the oatk is just a better dash

[thin laurel]

I feel like that mentality kills me on shiva because I don't get i-frames lol
I try to greed omegas a lot

altho hey my last shiva run was nearly hitless sirens, so that was neat
it's fun af to block the tentacle melee attacks with shiva

[nocturne grove]

99% of shiva users dash before they crit and clear the entire room

[craggy totem]

If it's not fast, then it's not a better dash 😩

[covert badge]

is elephant good btw

[nova oar]

YES

[craggy totem]

A lot of people swear by it. I just had a run with it and it felt... a little weird ngl, to have the targeting be switched up

[storm glen]

elephant is very strong but you have to change how you play

[thin laurel]

elephant is very good
I very very strongly prefer how Ωspecial feels without it when using mouse tho 😔

[storm glen]

the visuals for it also kind of make no sense

[thin laurel]

altho I kinda wanna do a fourth degree controlled burn run with it lmao

[craggy totem]

It did make my special top the damage board https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1438009059339927593/2088FB1.JPG?ex=691551cc&is=6914004c&hm=eab73db1e08405db6e5d4fa2f39ad51391d581eded5680283740358b96422295&

I'm not sure how y'all manage to preempt the muscle memory for dash striking though lmao

[thin laurel]

I uh. don't

I try very very hard since ik it's what you're supposed to do
I also tried a no omega shiva run and dash-special then attack feels okay...? but when I panic I fail to do that

[craggy totem]

I'm so used to doing special into dash attack dfghjfjs but I guess you just gotta.... relearn that

[neon hull]

do hasty retreat and word of smaller stature stack? the dodge bonus i mean

[fallow nebula]

Omg prometheus is hard

[covert badge]

yes, all dodge chance stuff stack (gale, wispy wiles, hot pot etc), daze also helps

[neon hull]

ty

ty @craggy totem as well

[fallow nebula]

I feel bad for prometheus

[fluid kernel]

Prometheus has the rawest lines

[real dock]

i just lost a zero fear run to prometheus on thanatos because i forgot his stupid pattern i do not feel bad for prometheus

[fallow nebula]

His punishnent was so harsh

No wonder he hates the gods

[real dock]

his lore is probably the most interesting in the whole game imo

[fluid kernel]

"To be imprisoned is to be denied the opportunity to learn. A cruel form of torture in itself, but I did learn something, yes; I cannot break." -Prometheus

[sacred crystal]

They finally released the soundtrack on Apple Music

[neon hull]

i wish they'd release it on tidal

yes ik it's not as well known or as widely used as other platforms, but with all the controversy going on with spotify rn, i can see it making a comeback

[fallow nebula]

Hey so. Where is the cat? He is supposed to be on base, yes, Tula

[thin laurel]

should be in the training room to the left (and a bit down) from your weapons

[neon hull]

if you've recruited her already, she should be chilling by the nocturnal arms with the other familiars

[fallow nebula]

Thanks

[neon hull]

np

[thin laurel]

hmmm. zeus special mel staff... I mean ok I'll take it, epic lv4, not exactly abt to say no, but. huh

[storm glen]

Resist.

[thin laurel]

I could just sell it lol, now that zeus is in the pool
but attack boon is taken and I don't want to sacrifice it

but no % damage in the pool at all yet
heph poseidon zeus

[nocturne grove]

so hot pot can get to say 10% dodge, then stature to another 10, wispy wiles depending on aphrodite and and zeus can get to maybe 16% and hasty retreat to like 30% with a heroic

[thin laurel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1438020750488637503/Screenshot_2025-11-11_at_8.20.53_PM.png?ex=69155cb0&is=69140b30&hm=af6dac2e4e8c9cac93e68ce7dbd56250736cdfd85c42ec8750d5b604fb2a275f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700
my impulse is just keep it tbqh

[nocturne grove]

and gale for another 6

[buoyant matrix]

hotpot doubles against scorch afflicted foes btw

[craggy totem]

And Echo dodge

[nocturne grove]

echo you cant get alongside stature and Im more talking about permament dodge

[storm glen]

echo dodge is permanent if you dont get hit

[nocturne grove]

this is assuming with the doubling

[buoyant matrix]

are you not running jpom

[nocturne grove]

I guess

[opal garnet]

Do you guys have any tips for beating the surface with the black coat? I literally never use this aspect so I just wanna know if there's any simple build to use for the fated list thingy until I actually get better with the weapon.

[nocturne grove]

poseidon poseidon poseidon

[radiant folio]

i miss my divine dash boon

[nocturne grove]

dont stop punching

[thin laurel]

zeus this is not helpful omg https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1438021510643056650/Screenshot_2025-11-11_at_8.23.54_PM.png?ex=69155d65&is=69140be5&hm=296974b59cc0631d56a04293f35fc8d3b603710ea32b5f397681807993970901&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700
not taking the trade because blitz special and seismic servo + glow, I'm not giving up blasts, but like. arc flash is useless here... I guess just sprint but like, is that even going to do much...

[opal garnet]

Alright, 😭 Any specific aspect?

[nocturne grove]

nyx if you have it or just the basic one

if you have the basic one upgraded just use that

[opal garnet]

I do have nyx, wish me luck lol. Even though it's literally just 0 fear.. I'm so bad at this game 😭

[nocturne grove]

I am bad too but if you know how to make builds the builds will just carry you dw

[covert badge]

unless aetheric perhaps?

[opal garnet]

Fair, I just hope I can get good enough to do really high fear. I shouldn't rush it though and just enjoy the journey lol. I'll get there eventually.

[thin laurel]

maybe, first hammer melting
ig I take arc flash to open up zeus legendary faster...? idt the dash is doing much here, altho someone was trying to hype me up on zeus rush for dash attack builds recently

ooh and then aphro shop boon into hera boss.... 5 god pool but I'm down

[radiant folio]

bnaqvecdkmliunfjewakdsc i hate chaos gates honestly
im the type of person to like it when i have a whole ton of HP/full HP

[craggy totem]

If you get one early, it doesn't cost a lot of health tbh

[opal garnet]

I died to prometheus because I had super low hp going into the fight but at least I'm now dating Moros lol.

[nocturne grove]

did you get water fitness

[opal garnet]

Sadly no

[ivory slate]

@bitter solar jumpscare

[nocturne grove]

sucks poseidon is agreat comfy god

[opal garnet]

I was going for some left over duo's

[opal garnet]

Yea, he's cool. Oh well, I don't mind restarting lol. I just get to talk to Moros again 😭. He's awesome

[nocturne grove]

Do yall play any other roguelikes to get out of this games burnout

[opal garnet]

Uhh, I bought Ember knights for my friend and myself to play but he hasn't touched the game in a bit and I haven't played it without him so not really sadly.

Ember knights is a great game though. I just want to play it more.

Btw, do I have to max out nyx's aspect or Selene's aspect to get the hidden black coat?

[thin laurel]

doesn't matter which

[opal garnet]

Alright, that helps

[thin laurel]

but iirc you might need to max selene's to progress your bond with selene...? idr, it's been a while

[opal garnet]

I'll do it all soon anyway, also, I forgot what iirc means, sry.

[thin laurel]

"if I recall correctly"

[opal garnet]

That makes sense, thank you.

[fallow nebula]

Why does hermes has a turtle?

[fluid kernel]

Why not

[fallow nebula]

I just noticed it

[opal garnet]

Because turtle is cute. Also there's a Greek myth saying that Hermes took a sheeps intestines and the shell of a turtle and made the worlds first lyre when he was 1 day old so yea. The turtle is his friend.

[hasty ocean]

His name is Chellen

[fallow nebula]

Hmm also, I got a great boon from.hermes

[hasty ocean]

Is it Winner's Circle, the best boon in the game

[fallow nebula]

Every chance based thing has now 50% chance of happening

[hasty ocean]

Also a great boon

[fallow nebula]

Idk lemme check after this enconter

[opal garnet]

That's great if you have double strike lol. And a lot of other stuff but it makes double strike much gooder.

[fallow nebula]

Oh it is success rate

And it's epic

[hasty ocean]

Success Rate is such a huge build around boon, wish it worked with Raki's crit chance

[opal garnet]

That would be insane lol.

[fervent hound]

Woo, just finished 32 fear surface, easier than I thought, I was just running bad fears. Used the first Flames and a Fate Whim build, turn out focusing on a manaless Appollo attack Mythic+7

With this, I 100% everything!

[fallow nebula]

I don't like zeus' new design

[velvet cave]

Anyone remember how to unlock the cauldron incantation to cook moon dust? My brother started the game and I forgot. All google says is “beat Hecate a few times” which is long past by now

[fallow nebula]

I was getting such good boons, it's a shame it was only a trial

[fallow nebula]

Be patient, everything unlocks naturally

[hearty idol]

his armor making him look a little bulky , but it grow on me now since i like heavy armor in games.

but i genuinely hate Dionysus art man, such a downgrade

[leaden plume]

do you guys see any potential with shipping dusa and dora together or is it just me?

[craggy totem]

None whatsoever, Dusa isn't interested and Dora clearly has a thing with Melinoe /scientifically verified statement

Don't let that stop you though :P

[leaden plume]

thx

[craggy totem]

I am a firm believer in letting nothing whatsoever stop people from shipping their whatever, canon and logic be damned 😆

[leaden plume]

i just think since they do have some things in common, like there small best girls who reject you when romancing you and have shortened names of there counterparts, i think its a cute idea. not the best ship but i like it neither less

[covert badge]

i think dusa will treat too nice to the point of turning dora off, at least mel has a bit of edge and willingly follows the jokes
just my headcanon btw

[sour vapor]

My first clear in the game was with The Black Coat! It was an Underworld clear, but should work for the surface as well. I believe I had:

• Zeus special (used as omega as a main damage source) + other Zeus damage boons to buff it
• Appolo cast for Magick regen (so that I could spam Zeus omega special)
• 2 key Hestia boons (ranged cast fireball thingy + Snuffed Candle for single-target damage)
• 2 hammers that boost special (omega cast speed + some sort of damage boost) + Hermes (omega) speed
• Selene ult that summons minions
  Then I just stood somewhere far away from any dangerous stuff and mindlessly spammed omega special, mixing in cast for magick regen and ult for additional damage. I barely even saw half the minions and bosses how far away I was (only half joking). In short, I recommend trying a ranged build focusing on special.

[opal garnet]

Very in depth answer. Thanks lol. I beat it a bit ago but I’ll definitely try this build out soon.

[gray violet]

Is there a way to quickly find Echo over and over in Chaos trials so I don’t to go through the first two areas?

[craggy totem]

No

[gray violet]

Damn ty anyway

[sand heart]

how do you get the spirit mixer to appear

oh nvm i found it but it dosnt give me the option to interact with it

[sour vapor]

It is very fun, I recommend trying it!

It should be both easy to build as long as you manage to get at least one special hammer (ideally the omega casting speed one) as no legendary or duos boons are strictly necessary for it to work (though at least Zeus + Hestia duo boon would probably add some nice extra damage) and easy to play as auto-targetted rockets and possibly Selene minions are doing most of the work.

As for defensive boons, I don't think they're needed much in this build as you can just stay away; I think I had some incidental dodge from either Hermes or Apollo curse and that's it. Most boons wereZeus damage boons or omega casting speed boons primarily, and Hestia and Selene boons secondarily.

[thin laurel]

in general it depends on the aspect, too!
when playing aspect of Melinoë or Nyx, I have the most success putting on-hit effects on attack—i.e. splash from poseidon or scorch from hestia, usually—and mixing in some stuff like hitch, static shock, blitz and so on.
I don't really do Ω special spam unless I'm specifically playing aspect of Selene (or the hidden aspect), although I do like coat Ω special quite a bit

[red fox]

Fate whim give me purple hestia special and controlled burn, i guess i play omega special now

[thin laurel]

if ares shows up get their duo, since it's fun as hell

[red fox]

Coat is so versatile I can change what i play depends on what fate show me

[thin laurel]

I love controlled burn on selene coat specifically lol

partly because the duo boon which buffs it has ares for the godsent
same with splash specials

[craggy totem]

The one time where you're like "actually the increased magick cost is actively helpful" too lmao

[thin laurel]

yessss absolutely!

I want to like it on shiva too, but the increased cost isn't as important there, and also the aiming is kinda weird unless you get elephant rockets

altho that said, an elephant rockets + fourth degree build would go really hard

[sour vapor]

I love running Melinoe staff, stacking max magick and (most importantly!) increasing my abilities' magick cost. Is there something wrong with me?

[craggy totem]

Well, a lot of the boons are nice to have :P

[thin laurel]

personally if I'm doing increased magick cost stuff, I like moros/mel torches
fine line + ocean swell + weed killer + cut above + explosive intent... all of those go very very hard in any combo tbh

[fallow nebula]

If I use moros keepsake will.he help.me against chronos?

I think he said something like that

[craggy totem]

Keepsakes in Hades 2 don't do the Hades 1 companion-summoning thing. They just do what their descriptions say.

[fallow nebula]

Oh

[craggy totem]

So, the keepsake may be potentially be helpful to you, but you're not getting any characters dropping in with extra effects beyond what it says on the keepsake itself

[fallow nebula]

Then I'll use charon in this last floor since I got the take gold from me instead of damage boon from hermes

What a great boon, I just gotta think of gold like extra health and not spend it lol

[thick bronze]

will have hades 3 or no?

[thorn badge]

sg said they wanted to work on other projects

[thick bronze]

no more zagreus? 😢

[hearty idol]

where did you find that information?

[nocturne grove]

How do you get the ability to reroll your seed

[glacial light]

You need to ||meet the fates|| (don't quote me on this I'm unreliable)

[broken creek]

Yeah its epilogue stuff

which sucks since if I rolled bad rng on my 62 attempt I just have to die 😔

Im not in epilogue yet :C

[craggy totem]

Others have mentioned also clearing 16F and beating the endbosses a requisite number of times (in addition to the epilogue stuff), though I can't verify those parts personally

[west lily]

I needed to get the second night statue and clear both end bosses
Though I did it in early access, maybe it's changed in full release

[buoyant matrix]

do the epilogue, get the second skelly statue, do a bunch of specific incantations

[patent cedar]

How to you get the ability to ||pick up all recourses|| when leaving a room?

[wheat fog]

incantation called gaias greatest gift
reqs are
To get it you need at least all familiar upgrades (all familiars should be lvl 10) and all caught fishes (27 total - 3 per biome: 12 for underworld, 12 for surface and 3 in chaos realm/gates)
Probably tools' uses are count too (101 successful uses of all of the pickaxe, axe, and spade, and 51 successful uses of both the stone tablet and fishing rod),

[patent cedar]

Ok, thanks for the thorough explanation
There is no way to track the tool uses right?

[wheat fog]

yup

[verbal hinge]

bond forging is such a disappointment

i was really hoping they'd have more than just the little chibi thingy in h2

[wheat fog]

but its cute tho

[verbal hinge]

it is cute as bunnies

[red fox]

You also able to buy their doll after maxing bond

[verbal hinge]

wym

[wheat fog]

hes tlaking about the companions from hades 1 i think

[red fox]

Nope

[wheat fog]

whatttt what dolls

[red fox]

You can buy doll from dora in training area

[verbal hinge]

gangster

what is heph attack good on?

[wheat fog]

bro i totally forgot about those "cthonic chid" things i've 100%'d the game twice and i only rememebered those again

[red fox]

Anything as long as you get its cooldown to 2s

[verbal hinge]

so, nothing

yday piggy gave me fate rerolls and the triple pom missed smithy rush twice lmao

goddamn unlocked crimson dress now i cant leeroy no more

[thin laurel]

if you run heph attack, then heph blasts just kind of are your main weapon.
it's weapon ambivalent, there's no weapon it's bad on 🤷

[broken creek]

tbf jpom helps his ease of use a ton

[thin laurel]

I've done a lot of clears where it ends up being my main damage source, regardless of weapon
jpom helps yeah, altho then again duo boons also help, and rerolls make that a bit easier

like, for instance, this run lol: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1402577390865223730/Screenshot_2025-08-06_at_1.59.35_AM.png?ex=6914f5bc&is=6913a43c&hm=1de1c0b8517347daff8c61838687a6bdbd1ec1c65350c3aaadcee9c8560e8cae&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2284&height=1486
heph blasts hold my record for "highest single damage number on an endscreen" and I chose them because I don't rly enjoy Mel blades and wanted to ignore the weapon's gimmick

[verbal hinge]

i thought maybe there's a weapon with a strong slow attack that requires a lot of positioning

an axe or something

because getting it down to a usable level is so much rng

i mean it's 8 seconds at epic it's ridiculous

[limpid oar]

Good thing there are ways of getting lots of poms on your boons

[thin laurel]

tbh strong slow attack is not what I'd recommend, there's no particular synergy with having a strong slow attack
you can put it on a secondary attack you use less often if you want it to be a filler boon, but you can also just pom it up 🤷

[verbal hinge]

winner's circle rarified ):

i only had like 3 boons ffs

[thin laurel]

there are a lot of ways to increase rarity and a lot of ways to add poms, so, idk, I would recommend trying it at some point it's a fun type of build

[verbal hinge]

you can't pom it up if the pom doesn't hit i hate that pom and purge pools are rng

edit i mean i get why. i just don't like it

[thin laurel]

if you start with a heph boon and take poms early then you likely don't have over 3 boons yet tho
and a post ending keepsake makes you start with levels on boons. so does persephone skull, you can be offered a minimum 2 second cooldown in room 1 with both

[verbal hinge]

i picked it up this run, because the other two options sucked

than axe and i just no hit hecate

turns out im pretty good at not getting hit when i'm actively trying

[verbal hinge]

ah i see yeah
with some planning it's quite doable

[thin laurel]

yeah! even without much planning it can go very hard lol, I did a Mel staff run tonight where it ended up at the top of my damage board because I lucked into it early and just took some poms 🤷 #h2-victory-boasting message and that was no rerolls so less build control

[limpid oar]

You can always be at the fates' whim and walk into a strong blast setup

[thin laurel]

also I think at epic you reach the min cooldown at lv6, so if you're using jeweled pom you only need 2 poms or like... a single bridal glow hit

[verbal hinge]

HAHAAHHA i wanted to test cast speed for heroic winner's circle in the fountain room and forgot about my chaos boon and got hit and lost my crimson armour...

[thin laurel]

AW oh no... I've never had a good crimson dress run ngl they always go wrong

[verbal hinge]

i worked so hard on hecate to keep that lmaooo

[verbal hinge]

yeah it's kind of a relief to lose it tbh

just the way i did it 🤌🤌🤌

[broken creek]

truuue i had a run that gave me heph dash, hera's heroic boon buff dropped on it so it was +7 heroic it was kinda nasty

[thin laurel]

but also ok back to my Eos run, last aspect for 40f max rivals UW
(I have a lot of failed 62s on it but my highest clear before then was 16f somehow 💀)

[verbal hinge]

yeah i got heph dash down to 2 seconds it was glorious

[thin laurel]

the hestia duo is also absurd, just.... 2x blast damage basically, crazy stuff

[verbal hinge]

you went from 16 to 40??

[red fox]

Better than going from 15 to 60

[thin laurel]

oh, so
I have cleared 62 fear as of recently lol, just not on Eos
but rn I'm doing every aspect 40 fear above and below

[broken creek]

metal my goat

[verbal hinge]

so hestia duo on heph cast and circe staff should clear a room almost instantly

[thin laurel]

and I'd only been using Eos for 1. surface runs at mid fear, and 2. 62 fear attempts that didn't end well
before then I hadn't taken it higher than 62 in UW lol

[patent cedar]

At least now you can leeeeroy jeeeeenkins

[thin laurel]

ah, heph cast does not count as a blast effect! altho heph cast is quite good on Circe

[verbal hinge]

every aspect good grief

in h1 i only pushed one past 40

[verbal hinge]

yeah it goes wild
they said zeus for circe but heph is so fun

also yes i forgot cast isn't blast. pity

[red fox]

Tbf h1 40 is very hard

[limpid oar]

The eepy kitty has got you covered, I believe!!

[thin laurel]

not eepy-kitty-ing this time! I would be if it was a 62 lol

[verbal hinge]

yes
and 45 was harder
and i cleared 50 \o/

55 was impossible tho i just stopped playing the game after that

[broken creek]

id think about going back to h1 to try like ~50h or smth since my best was 45 i just dont wanna have to unlock everything over again 😔

[thin laurel]

it's going well tbh, and I used heph blasts on both my Mel blades 40f runs lmaooo, I linked one of them above I think
rn my progress is looking like this:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1438085956849635450/Screenshot_2025-11-12_at_12.40.00_AM.png?ex=6915996a&is=691447ea&hm=d56961d53e64606b758a60d79b20c45bad456e175dc42ad178000971c5f75316&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=546&height=700
getting very close

[verbal hinge]

how many nights?

[thin laurel]

total? uhhhh lots, 300-something
early access save tho

[verbal hinge]

i managed to get legendary zeus with ap2 lmao that's the only reason i cleared 50

[thin laurel]

(over 300 if I count older saves, this one is from the third patch I played during aka Unseen)

[limpid oar]

...300-something is considered lots? Time to hide my ~2.7k nights save file...

[verbal hinge]

oh good

[thin laurel]

lots compared to people who started in 1.0 lol

[verbal hinge]

took me 100 to kill typhon i feel ubernoob

[broken creek]

i have like ~130 on my 1.0 save lol

[thin laurel]

also idr what I'm actually at, I think in the 380s at the moment

• I'd gueeess 200 from older saves?

[limpid oar]

Dw it took me over 1k to get my Typhon kill

[broken creek]

i did abt 27 runs on an EA save tho

[thin laurel]

idk when you started playing tho coldshade, were you day 1 EA? I'm cursed with mac only so started in olympian update when I was able to

[limpid oar]

Yeah it was day 1

[verbal hinge]

p sure it was much easier for me after all the patches

[thin laurel]

(typhon also didn't exist at all until iirc the warsong patch, so 2 patches before 1.0, which I believe is the joke)

[broken creek]

oohhhh yeah forgot they nerfed typhon

[red fox]

Idk patches changed anything for that it is just you improved

[limpid oar]

Yeah when surface came out Eris was the last boss

[red fox]

Wait typhoon was nerfed?

[broken creek]

and hestia dash invalidated her entire fight 😌

[verbal hinge]

i didn't even know they nerfed typhon i just mean i got the best/easiest version of the game since i killed him after the new ending update

[thin laurel]

unrelated but what have you been up to recently? 👀 more high fear, speeds etc?
I've just been doing 40s and developing a white antler addiction for UW rivals (too scared for surface, can't make bablity go faster </3)

[broken creek]

i believe so, i remember a bit after warsong they released a minor update that toned him down a smidgen

idk by how much i just remember he got nerfed

[limpid oar]

Just some chill 62 attempts, I'll do 1-3 runs a day playing an aspect of whichever weapon has grave thirst

[thin laurel]

makes sense! might be me eventually if I get to a point where 62 feels chill lol

[broken creek]

yeah just double checked they lowered his damage, attack spam, changed some values on the mob spawns, and fixed camera stuff

[vivid basin]

Hey everyone,
I want to send a suggestion to supergiant games for Hades 2.
I think it would be funny if Scylla would take notice if the volume of the game/device is turned off and then takes offense.
I think it is super easy to do because you don't even need voice acting for this 😅

Any idea if I am in the right channel or not?

[limpid oar]

It's chill when you're not concerned about clearing!

[thin laurel]

hm true I guess... still, I feel like having more than one cleared 62 will make it feel less uh. sweaty

[thin laurel]

this already exists in-game if you mute the music during her fight, actually! *well, before her fight, it needs to be muted when you enter the room
idk if it applies to master volume tho

[limpid oar]

If you think about it, 62f is just a 50 with harder bosses

[verbal hinge]

if you think about it, hard bosses end runs

[vivid basin]

I tried it but but didn't see a different dialogue 😅.
I guess she has multiple lines to choose from, I need to do it again.
Thanks 🙇

[red fox]

I did that to try and scylla say i will sing in my head regardless and god damn she is right

[thin laurel]

there we go UW 40s done
at this point 40 is a little easy tbh, but I don't want to deal with 50 on aspects I dislike lol

[fluid kernel]

People play game on mute?

[red fox]

62f mel axe when

[thin laurel]

from me? never 😌

or more accurately, I'll do it if I try to do all aspects 62, but that goal is SO far from being realistic for me rn lol
one aspect of each weapon maybe
surface for sure, prob trying for that after 40s are done

[hot cloud]

Hello everyone. I wanna ask @frigid warren if theres a chance we are getting a physical deck of the arcana cards from the game?

[rustic basin]

Lowkey gonna try 65F with Mel Coat

[icy halo]

To be clear, they aren't actually taking community feedback any more

[hot cloud]

Ohh thats bad

[icy halo]

There used to be a #h2-feedback channel but it closed shortly before 1.0

[icy halo]

I mean, it's standard 😄

[old depot]

I struggled for 20 nights then suddenly for 3 wins in a row wow

[patent cedar]

Firstly, i dont think pinging supergiant will get you far, the feedback channel was awesome, but most companies absolutely dont have such a high amount of feedback they go through
Secondly… good idea!

[livid stag]

Is there like a secondary condition to getting the cthonic chids to show up, cause I've maxed Eris and am definitely at tier 5 for decorations but there ain't no doll available to buy

True ending first maybe?

[glossy shadow]

I have a q about a circe boon

Does "turning to a simple form" 's cooldown count down per enemy, ares wounds style? Or globally, heph style?

[covert badge]

globally, heph style
also its cooldown cant be reduced by servo

[glossy shadow]

😭 heartbreaking, I would have accepted 5% chance w ability to proc multiple different enemies, 40 damage + a minor enemy is a non-issue for a bit feels insignificant in most cases

[covert badge]

true, but this and Twilight Curse actually shine in high fear runs
turning enemies harmless for a bit is amazing crowd control when everything’s trying to kill you

[buoyant matrix]

twilight curse with the upgrade that makes it bounce between more enemies 👌

[broken creek]

The amount of times twilight curse saved me in 62f is insane I love turning the frenzy2 fangs2 enemies into sheep 😌

[brazen ibex]

As much as I love twilight curse

Night bloom and total eclipse are my favorite hexes

[brazen ibex]

I had a run where total eclipse was #1 in damage it was awesome

[brazen ibex]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[sleek oar]

Are some steam achievements not working

[buoyant matrix]

no they're all fine

[sleek oar]

I did unfinished business yesterday but its not unlocked

[buoyant matrix]

you're the first one I've heard of then 🤔

[sleek oar]

😔 maybe a temporary glitch

[frail badge]

Wait Chronos doesn't prevent pausing mid fight anymore?

He just gets ragebaited?

[thin laurel]

not in the normal fight, yeah, just dialogue

||that interaction still exists in the game tho, just not for his normal fight||

[frail badge]

ah so it still in the buffed one?

nice

[patent cedar]

People where against it so they removed it
Obviously it was very fun, but i understand having to pause for something

[thin laurel]

in its current state I think you only have to deal with it once, then you unlock the incantation to stop it, and even then it's a late-game post ending thing (cause rivals) so it won't scare off new players or interfere with main story progress
which I think is nice, it's a very cool mechanic, but rough if you're already struggling with the boss and irl stuff happens

[frail badge]

but hey not gonna lie it still made me laugh 😂

[verbal hinge]

if zag reward is giving an olympian god boon, it should be a god boon already in your pool

tell them i said so

[glossy shadow]

He should have bonus chances to give Dion, Artemis, Athena boons 😌

[verbal hinge]

4 poms and none of them hit heph attack what a gyp

[dusky mountain]

@buoyant matrix hi

Can you give me some pointers for what times are decent for speedrunning?

I know the WR but how close can you realsitically expect to get close to those as a "casual"?

[buoyant osprey]

god i have loved the game so much, but i have done about 30 surface runs to try and extend relationship with Icarus and he shows up like 1/4 of the time and somehow doesnt give me the dialog, is their some way to boost the chance of showing up, I've done everything else all cosmetics all vows, all achievements. this is the only thing i want to get it done but its so frustrating at this point.

[storm glen]

i say go for sub 10 first

[dusky mountain]

yeah got my first sub 10 yesterday (9:34 supay)

i did have a heroic hera rush, but rest of the boons i got where kinda mid, so i think theres still some potential, but idk what really to aim for or where to compare

[verbal hinge]

isn't there a leaderboard like in h1?

[verbal hinge]

if i get rid of a duo prerequisite will i lose the duo effect?

[upper siren]

No

[verbal hinge]

are you sure?

so if i have hestia only on special i can replace her with someone else and have no scorch at all and blitz will still apply scorch?

[upper siren]

You will

[verbal hinge]

goddamn

[upper siren]

Just don't get rid of your blitz for this one 😛

[verbal hinge]

blitz applying scorch is so broken my god

the twins melted like they were in erebus