h2-discussion

[woeful stirrup]

Chaos Godsent Boon. Hell, let's get a Chronos Godsent boon somehow. I mean, phases of the moon are VERY time-aligned, so it makes sense in canon! In this essay I will

[devout cairn]

damage taken

[junior hollow]

They probably won’t add anything else tbh once they release a game majority of stuff stays the same

[merry echo]

So if i use it will i have +20% damage automatically?

[junior hollow]

Yes

[craggy totem]

Only to your omega moves, but yes.

[junior hollow]

Does it stack so if you take 500 damage would it give you plus +80% damage

[craggy totem]

Nope.

[devout cairn]

i also wish we could romance Nyx but cant have everything...

[junior hollow]

That would’ve been fun

[merry echo]

Is it worth it?

[gritty vortex]

not really

[junior hollow]

Artemis 🙏

[woeful stirrup]

Nyx makes my no no spot go tingly 😛

[devout cairn]

🤨

[craggy totem]

If you're relying on heavy-hitting omega moves as a primary damage source, sure. Otherwise, probably there are better options.

[gritty vortex]

metallic droplet is usually better for omega builds tbh

[junior hollow]

If you happen to took the damage already I normally just pop it

[gritty vortex]

the fact that it doesnt even stay if you unequip it sucks

[merry echo]

I have your omega attack sends a wave and ur omega attack send a blade

[junior hollow]

I’ve never tried that I only use it on the final region

[gritty vortex]

the wave and blade wont get affected by fleece

[merry echo]

Well this sucks

[craggy totem]

Fang is probably gonna be better for final region if you want the damage ups tbh

[junior hollow]

Only the omega move

[stoic urchin]

god i was not prepared for ||unrivaled chronos||

[stoic urchin]

i managed to win my first fight but with no DDs and 50 health left

[woeful stirrup]

He's easy, see what you do is close the game and go play Silksong for an easier difficulty

[stoic urchin]

but i still got a win and got the eight nightmare so thats very awesome

[woeful stirrup]

I wonder what Steven He would say the Asian Difficulty of Hades is

[craggy totem]

Nicely done! I cannot imagine beating that fight on my first try blind lol

[stoic urchin]

thing is

i was doing circe + heph cast build

so i didnt even have to get near to fight KEK

[craggy totem]

Everyone bigs up Circe staff to me but I cannot for the life of me make it work when I try it, idk why

[stoic urchin]

i literally just ran away in the third part and hoped that he got got

and he got got

[gritty vortex]

are you using raki or toula

[stoic urchin]

its definitively not the best don't get me wrong

the damage is Not good, specially if you dont have like the zeus infusion, but its a very safe option that it is

[stoic urchin]

i was using frinos 💀

strangely it worked very well with most encounters

[gritty vortex]

yeah thats probably why it wasnt working

[craggy totem]

Ruwen is a different person from me lol

[stoic urchin]

i mean it worked for me, not for escalier

[devout cairn]

I dislike not hitting things so circe is kind of boring for me, just placing a circle while i watch it do damage is a nono

[craggy totem]

Ruwen is the person who just first-timed ||Rival Gramps|| and I'm the person who said they didn't like Circe staff

[gritty vortex]

im ngl im in class and not paying enough attention to both the chat and the class

[craggy totem]

Go pay attention to class you doof

[stoic urchin]

i was not prepared for ||the god damn instakill having a time field|| that one cost me a DD

and so i was in full panic mode after i had 50 health and running way from gramps whilst constantly casting hoping that he got hammered

[craggy totem]

Turns out that's the strat eh

[stoic urchin]

KEK

not at all if you want to do a speedrun

and so ive now learned about most the patterns i believe

but im still not confident enough to do lim and oros range

[thin laurel]

you can also do howling soul + a damaging cast and if it aims right then the cast will follow him around even if he teleports lol

and my first rivals chronos win with frenzy was on Eos, I love passive damage that lets me run away from gramps like a coward 😌

[stoic urchin]

god

i could not imagine that one ||phase 3 quick lines of damage attack|| on frenzy

[cobalt flint]

Based

[thin laurel]

the youtuber boated calls it "the cutscene attack" because literally all you can do is just run in a big circle till it's over 💀 if you try to interact with him in any other way 99% of the time you just get hit

altho howling soul + anvil ring/storm ring or whatever is in fact one way to damage him during that attack lol

[stoic urchin]

well that is very true from my experience KEK

[stoic urchin]

i guess its ||chronos||' version of fine line spam with torches

[thin laurel]

LMAO it is... timeline spam

[craggy totem]

LMAO

[stoic urchin]

crazy how in that specific fight the surface is quite considerably easier than the underworld

[sonic quest]

Is there a fix when im not able to interact with the spirit mixer to upgrade my rank?

[strange berry]

Hello, I looted a Witch's Delight during my last run but all my familiars are lvl max, Can I do something with it, please?

[gritty vortex]

no

[strange berry]

Oh

[devout cairn]

ye

[strange berry]

?

[devout cairn]

ye no

[merry echo]

Lsts goooo i unlocked disintegration of monstrosity

I have 2 v lens gigoros and 7 Z-Sands

2 more to go

I want to use the athena keepsake in every run fr i need that death defiance every time

[rigid briar]

how many conversations with chaos after epilogue am I looking at for "born to win"

roughly

I did everything else so I'm just gauging my runway lol

[short raft]

Ok so, Eris gun just... got jammed?! what happen?

[tranquil wren]

afaik you need to speak to chaos a couple of times with the embryo equipped

[tranquil wren]

it's just a thing that happens during the bossfight, it's your time to get in free damage

[short raft]

Ah its the first time it has happen to me.

[rigid briar]

word ty

[grizzled axle]

Hi, I'm trying to join the speedrun discord but all invitation I found are invalid. Can someone DM me an invitation?

[nova oar]

https://discord.gg/6p8ZgKU8s

[grizzled axle]

thanks!

[unreal temple]

I love when Chronos says "Catch!" and literally kills me with a spinning scythe

[echo pelican]

Will we ever get a Hades II Steam Profile like the one from Hades? I mean the special full profile you can buy for 10.000, or atleast animated backgrounds

[nova oar]

Like dads launching the football at mach 5 to a newborn

[shrewd geyser]

I had this as one of my last achievements, I just had to bring the egg to them once when I did it then I got the prophecy to do the run

[unreal temple]

Yeah lmao

[shrewd geyser]

That’s what happened to me, that’s why I am an Anubis main

[unreal temple]

Kinda miss those middle fight dialogues like Hades and Zagreus, in Hades 2 Chronos has some funny lines but Mel never responds

[shrewd geyser]

Hit me right in the stupid person part of my brain and destroyed it, making me a genius

[shrewd geyser]

Yeah you only get those with Hecate, but her fight ends so fast

[unreal temple]

Right there's a couple with Hecate

[shrewd geyser]

One parental figure is there to see if you are ready, the other is there to prove you are not

[glacial light]

hecate has been chanting for the past 4 nights I JUST WANNA GIFT HER

[shrewd geyser]

If you go to the prep area and come back she won’t be chanting

[glacial light]

omg thank you

[covert badge]

her yapping time is necessary

[glacial light]

she dont need to be yapping 4 nights in a row

[shrewd geyser]

She’s keeping the crossroads safe

[thin laurel]

hmmm worth the trade? or security system for safety... thoughts?
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I'm kinda leaning towards the trade tbhhhh since without mirrored thrasher I'm not the hugest fan of splash attack on staff 🤷 and ig poseidon gain or dash is prob still in the pool for the duo
eh I'll take it. clang run

[nova oar]

Nah take it

[crude dragon]

Yeah, clang would be a bit better to get on staff

[craggy totem]

Damn, that recharge time tho

[covert badge]

clang gang 🔨

[craggy totem]

I don't think I've ever seen it that low in the wild 👀

[crude dragon]

A shame there's no clang on his Cast

[thin laurel]

jpom + trade into heroic does that <3

[crude dragon]

Jpom is a gateway to incredible things

[rich vector]

Just hit that sub 9 minute underworld

[short raft]

is Discordant Bell buff lost if unequpped?

[nova oar]

No

[short raft]

So wiki is lying again, uh

[crude dragon]

It's outdated

Which is on par for Fandom, and updating it requires approval

[meager garden]

does it? I thought anybody could do whatever they wanted lol, even me

[short raft]

I see
So hows Bone Knukcles and Old Grudge? is it like, escape phase 2 aswell? or is typhon inmmune after first proc.

[meager garden]

chat, discordant bell stops scaling after you unequip it, right

[meager garden]

the wiki doesn't say this though, at least at the moment

[crude dragon]

It does, and I know this because the Final Fantasy Fandom wiki is apparently a neverending battle of trying to get people's fanon corrected

[short raft]

it does
https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Keepsakes/Hades_II

[meager garden]

"This keepsake remains active even if the keepsake is unequipped"

[crude dragon]

I think it keeps scaling up

[short raft]

which isnt true, i think? once un equip, the effect is lost, or do you mean its requipable?

[meager garden]

the effect remains

[crude dragon]

The effect will persist, and IIRC, it keeps stacking

[meager garden]

fine I'll go test it

[short raft]

Oh maybe im confused, its very late so maybe i should rest

[meager garden]

gotta reinstall this game

[meager garden]

also can you say what the "notes" column says for discordant bell for you, at the moment?

[crude dragon]

This keepsake's effect remains active even if the keepsake is unequipped: the damage buffs are kept but no longer increase with each cleared encounter.

[meager garden]

ok yeah I made that edit a few minutes ago
no verification or anything

[covert badge]

Man I have 0 energy to revisit everything again to edit wiki

[craggy totem]

There should be a feature in the game where if you leave behind a free item on the ground that you simply forgot about, Charon should appear out of nowhere to clear his throat meaningfully at you while echoes of Eris' mad cackle ring from nowhere in mockery of your absentmindedness and Moros starts counting down as if to steel his patience against such folly. It wouldn't stop you from actually leaving the room or anything, it's just there to fully apprise you of the extent of your own dumbassery.

[small oriole]

I feel that would just make the game less fun to play, especially to people who play with time limits

[craggy totem]

I am definitely making a 100% serious suggestion that the devs should consider thoroughly, as someone who definitely didn't just finish a timed run.

Someone get Supergiant on the horn.

[fast kestrel]

Man I just started doing Chaos trials after putting them off for a long time and these 1 eye difficulty ones arent even challenges its just bullying the enemies

[craggy totem]

They were meant to be done as little intros, but it sounds like you are uh... past the point of that lol

[fast kestrel]

just a tad

[meager garden]

ok it does continue to scale

[fast kestrel]

Even if someone sucks actual dog at the game how is giving them a giant sun axe that deals 1000 damage per hit in the first zone gonna teach them anything though 😭

[craggy totem]

Teaches them that giant sun axe is something they ought to try recreating in the wild :P

[meager garden]

it's more an introduction to a god or aspect

[fast kestrel]

A very reasonable thing to achieve

[meager garden]

it can be hard to teach people synergies and the purpose of each god in this game, I think

[fast kestrel]

introduction to the unrestrained full power of the sun

[meager garden]

you'll still see people going "man, hestia must suck, I tried using it on axe and it was terrible"

[craggy totem]

I am entirely ready and willing to fight a duel for the honor of the venerable great-auntie

[gusty apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/140129091796992000/1375909257253228705/c0760a1d-cf95-459d-89ab-6d4088d89b62_text.gif

[crude dragon]

External screaming

[covert badge]

real

[radiant berry]

Hey, this might be a stupid question, but how do you avoid the 1 hit KO in the unrivaled Typhon fight?

[gusty apex]

My one criticism of H2 is how they portray Hestia. Canonically, she is famed for her gentle humility and kindness. She's not embittered or cynical.

[gusty apex]

Carefully

[craggy totem]

I mean, Ares ain't meant to be suave either, and Poseidon ain't a jolly bumbling uncle

I think they went off the original myths in many places (though as an OG Hestia fan myself I totally understand being aggrieved on her behalf)

[radiant berry]

Ok, can you give me actual advice? What part of the field am I supposed to stand on? Because it seems like all of it kills you

[nova oar]

Safe zone can be blocked by an egg sometimes

[radiant berry]

I can get to him decently easily, but then I die in the first 15 seconds to that move and I don't have time to learn the patterns, and then I have to shlep back up the mountain.

[radiant berry]

Is there a single tiny safe zone like in the chronos fights?

[gusty apex]

That's fair. My favorite part of the Ares mythos is that he, the goddamn deathless God of War, gets poked once with a spear and immediately flies off to Zeus to whine about it. Then Zeus is like, "What?! Did widdle Ares get wounded in a war?! Besides, I don't like you anyway, ya big baby."

[radiant berry]

I was trying to dodge by standing between the rings.

[nova oar]

Yes

[crude dragon]

Sometimes the safe area is covered by an egg

[radiant berry]

Ok, thanks. Knowing what to look for will help!

[covert badge]

I think she honestly gives total chancla-holding sweet nanny energy.

[craggy totem]

Sweet if you are a guai haizi and not so sweet if you ain't

[gusty apex]

I mean, mythological Poseidon is back and forth between "Enjoy my domain's bounty" to "I will annihilate your entire bloodline" at the slightest provocation. There's no in between. I could see him being uncle surfer dude until he gets mad. Then he's more like Triton in Little Mermaid.

[gusty apex]

I see her as the female Uncle Iroh.

Aunt Iroh, if you will.

[craggy totem]

Aunt...............
Fire-o?

[frank eagle]

Hestia comes off as very sweet, but shes constantly pushed to cynicism by her fellow olympians lol

[gusty apex]

"I am the oldest of the Olympian siblings, but I will not claim the world as my birthright. I will tend to the hearth, the flame, and the family. I will be the only one not upset when Prometheus gives the flame to humanity. I don't need grand sacrifices or temples to my worship. When Dionysis is born and earns a seat on Olympus, I'll allow him to take mine. It's too grandiose for me anyway. I just want to tend to the moments of gentle warmth and familial bonds when humanity sits at the dinner table and break bread."

Ironically, by not demanding temples, Zeus decreed that fire would be part of sacrifices, so she would be honored first in every temple. And everywhere there was a hearth (ie. A home), there was a temple to her. By not demanding temples, she got the most temples.

Hestia...is the bestia.

[plain shale]

Uhh quick question but how does the || aspect of morrigon || work

[novel turtle]

What on earth does the Drowned Ambitions prophecy do

[covert badge]

1. dash strike to get close
2. charge o.attack to get behind
3. special to proc triad

rinse and repeat

or if you have final slice you can just spam attack

[craggy totem]

Progresses your relationship with the person who made the request of you

[rich vector]

Hit an enemy with a normal attack, special, and either an omega attack or special and it will proc blood triad

[thin laurel]

I've seen some people recommend special first instead of last, but I always find that less reliable, since the timing is tighter to get four stacks out of three inputs
but also while I love morrigan I haven't played it enough to be an expert

[rich vector]

I’m pretty good with it and I tend to do omega attack normal and then special so that I can do attack into omega and proc it twice with one special

[covert badge]

i like starting with dash-strike at first because the flow feels better imo (repositioning for safer o.attack), special hitting 2 times front and back is handy though

[thin laurel]

if you're already close to an enemy then you can start with a dash attack instead of the omega, since you'll do a normal attack right before the omega attack starts charging automatically
but that's generally my pattern yeah, pop the triad with the special on the way out, then get another stack when the special flies back in

[plain shale]

Like functionally how does it work

[thin laurel]

if you hit an enemy with a normal attack, you put a mark on them
if you hit an enemy with a normal special, you put a different mark on them
if you hit an enemy with any Ω move (atk, spec, cast), you put a third mark on them

as soon as all three marks are on the same enemy, they "pop" and do "blood triad" damage, which can be quite high. because of this, in general you want to find a combo that puts all three marks on enemies quickly and consistency. since the special can hit the same enemy twice, it can apply its mark twice if you pop the triad between the first and second hits

Morrigan also has a different attack combo than the other blades, so with the right hammers/boons you can just lean into that and spam dash attacks and normal attacks to take advantage of the nice AoE, base damage, and multi-hit capability the attack has

you can apply those marks in any order but it does have to be one of each for the triad to trigger, so the combo pond mentioned (dash attack, Ω atk, special) is a nice reliable one for quickly triggering the triad damage

[covert badge]

triad damage also can be shared with hitch very handy

[plain shale]

Thanks for the long paragraph I actually read this

Any boon should I sought out

[thin laurel]

morrigan is really versatile tbh, you want some magick regen for omega moves but it can work with most things.
hitch is fun as pond mentioned since it can spread the blood triad damage around
any good % boon on the attack is nice, but scorch or blitz work too. honestly can't go wrong w anything

[covert badge]

i like passion rush/romantic on morrigan cuz you do be dash strike a lot, passion also clears wards + 1/2 origination

[junior hollow]

idk why but i cant use it

[craggy totem]

I thought I only had Time 1 for this keepsake leveling run but apparently I had Time 2 on lol.

[craggy totem]

Just cos fiddly or something else?

[thin laurel]

to nobody's surprise: I'm tired of trying to make 62 fear work 😔
I need a break... I'm not good enough for this to be fun yet...

[gritty jacinth]

Pwetty pwease patch it back in that you can make enemies damage themselves by hitching them to your summons. It was so funny to make Chronos deal thousands of damage to himself with Sun Worshipper + Hereditary Bane

[novel turtle]

didn't expect to beat R!Cerbie first try but we take those. Hurt a little doing it with Persephone's aspect lmao

[thin laurel]

(also shiva said that making a savestate doesn't work on the 1.1 patch preview, so I plan to use that as an excuse to give up until the full release. I've gotten to gramps so many times and then just fumble phases 2 and 3, so until I can practice them easily I'm done, I think...... for now, maybe I'll try again tomorrow)

[craggy totem]

Aw, I'm sure she would be in favor of banishing the weird burny angry versions of the Mourning spirits off of Cerb!

[thin laurel]

also I had a run where I got to cerberus with two total boons. period. fate's whim + forfeit + debt sucks sometimes, actually

[craggy totem]

Can't you still kinda do this with Charm rather than Resurrect (I am theorizing this)

[little mason]

probably just you

[craggy totem]

Oh yeah, is it just me or does it feel like it hits harder in the Underworld?

[thin laurel]

lack of ephyra

also artificer rng, and whether I have room for boatman
I've left erebus with 6+ boons and 1 boon 🤷

[little mason]

wow thats just awful

[nova oar]

I'll hopefully get a 1.0 60f equivalent chronos save state by tonight

[thin laurel]

I want to finish the 1.1 story stuff first, if I revert back to 1.0... still haven't taking my time lol

if you clear 60f I will absolutely feel pressured to get back to it tho

[nova oar]

I never got round to finishing the epilogue

[little mason]

hard ask

[thin laurel]

not that hard, getting to gramps at 60f isn't rly the issue for shiva at this point

[light latch]

Cleared 32 fear surface - afaik there is no ingame incentive to go above 32 fear right?

[little mason]

Its completed chronos

[nova oar]

Nah I did it first attempt yesterday, I just have max pain and grit on with all the other stuff, just no wards or hordes to make the rest of the run easy

I could do it at 60f but really cbf

[thin laurel]

"chronos save state" as in a save state in the shop right before chronos, to use to practice the chronos fight on its own instead of taking over half an hour to get to it every time

[little mason]

but isnt taking that half hour help practice.

[nova oar]

More, if you fail a few attempts

[fast kestrel]

Idk if this is a hot take but I like the Fear meter wayyyy more than Heat, gives you an actual goal to do with specific weapons and bosses instead of just refreshing the boss drops

[nova oar]

I can clear the rest of uw at 60f easy with all dd's left and 200 health going into the fight

[thin laurel]

not if the issue is being bad at just the chronos fight
at this point both of us are pretty confident with the rest of the run 🤷 gramps phase 3 is just a run killer

[covert badge]

denial > approved process any day

[thin laurel]

also yeah, unless you personally like the challenge you can stop at 32!

[little mason]

is it because 2x gramps be chasing you?

[nova oar]

Super secret ending at 62f

[nova oar]

That part is probably the easiest part of p3 to dodge lowk

[gritty jacinth]

Idk I've never tried it with Charm. It might be possible.

[thin laurel]

honestly I think it's just lack of practice dodging some of his rivals attacks
I've had some good runs against him but it's not consistent, and he doesn't need to hit very many times for the fight to be over with max pain
deep dissent gets rid of clonos for the most part, which is nice, but still

[nova oar]

He does on average 60-70 per hit so with lovers and any other barriers you can get it ends up being like 13-14 hits you can eat on a good run

[little mason]

wheen i saw the max fear clear i realized its just dying over and over till you get reflexes

[nova oar]

Yeah pretty much

[thin laurel]

yeah, and also feeling familiar with each attack enough to know how you like to deal with it 🤷
so it doesn't feel like you're relying purely on reaction time

[nova oar]

P3 chronos you have to know perfectly

[little mason]

im over 25 not happeneing for me

[thin laurel]

right now when I have a great attempt it feels like I'm just playing well that day, not that I actually know what I'm doing, and I want consistency. so, practice

[thin laurel]

for a second I thought you meant fear lol, oh you mean age
I mean. same

[nova oar]

I'm just gonna practice until I can do it either 5 times in a row or deathless

[nova oar]

I have the youth advantage

[little mason]

you have the slow moe reaction time

[thin laurel]

you do, and tbh if you practice it that much you 100% will clear 62 before me
but I'm fine w that so long as I can clear it at all lol

[little mason]

i have the forget to react reaction time

[thin laurel]

I fluctuate a lot... my personal best is 54 and I think I got hit less than 5 times by gramps that attempt, which is annoying since lowkey if I'd just turned it up to 62 I might have won

but that is not remotely consistent, and every run since has been worse lol, and also had a worse early game. that was also hitless cerb and nearly hitless sirens, probably the cleanest run I've ever done + a lot of boon luck

and then today I keep losing DDs to sirens or cerb during my attempts lol and getting annoyed af

[plain shale]

Thanks for the advice

[nova oar]

If I lose dd's it's to sirens, my cerb is really good for no reason

[thin laurel]

my cerb is usually pretty solid but the past couple days I've been fumbling tbh

one of those was the "haha all I have is hestia attack and glamour gain :) I'm in danger" run, to be fair, but. lol

sirens I..... maybe it's stockholm syndrome but I'm growing to kind of like the rivals sirens fight 💀 I sometimes suck at it but doing it well is satisfying

[little frost]

lock in effect

[digital shoal]

rivals sirens is def what gives me problems

I haven’t done Rivals Heroes and I don’t even have R4 unlocked yet (lol) but sirens is usually what gives me problems

[thin laurel]

rivals sirens is generally considered the third hardest fight in the game period, tbh. maybe second depending on how hard you find rivals typhon

not everyone agrees 🤷 but at least at high fear I’d say that’s abt right

[digital shoal]

Prometheus used to give me a ton of problems

I just did not know how to dodge a lot of his moves but now Im breaking that mf’s ankles

[nova oar]

Nah I just understand the fight on a molecular level apparently

[merry echo]

I think my only issue with h2 is the greek mythology it's just too used if they changed it it would be even cooler

Other than that it's a great game

[nova oar]

People will complain about anything huh

[merry echo]

Im not complaining it's just that many games out there is based on greek mythology as well

[nova oar]

Like what

[merry echo]

Titan quest, titan quest 2, 3 of the god of war games

Love playing hades and hades 2 tho too much content and characters i cant get bored of

[nova oar]

Time to play my favourite Greek mythology game, God of War

[merry echo]

Lol

But ares looks much better here tho

[meager garden]

my favorite greek myth game is Kingdom Hearts 2

[meager elk]

Why did ||Hades|| just give me ||soot|| from the house? 😆
Whats that about lmao

[meager garden]

I have no idea why he does that actually, it's so random
you need it for ||hypnos|| though

[icy pulsar]

Did the ability to craft nectar using golden apples get taken out?

[meager garden]

nope

[icy pulsar]

It isn't on my list of available recipes anymore

[meager elk]

lol Sure if the ||dream vapors ||wont work we can just smother him ||awake with the house soot||

[meager garden]

still there for me

and I'm on preview patch

[fleet wave]

what happens when Time modifier runs out? do you wipe? or just lose a life

[craggy totem]

It starts damaging you at five HP per tick.

[fleet wave]

oh dang, does it keep going if you die?

[craggy totem]

If you still have a whole lotta HP left and you're on the boss fight for the zone, you can tank it and finish up the fight, and you'll be good to go for the next region. But otherwise you'll die eventually, yeah

[fleet wave]

does it persist even in between lives? say if i have dd on

[craggy totem]

I would assume so, because the penalty isn't "kill you", it's "keep applying damage if you haven't finished".

[meager garden]

yeah it'll keep going until you finish the zone

[craggy totem]

There's apparently a weird little thing where if it is about to literally kill you (like you're on your last HP), you can dash to iframe it if you have good timing, but I don't expect I would be able to pull this one off lol

[fleet wave]

damn... 5 hp per second sounds brutal..

yeah lol , thanks all

[craggy totem]

OTOH the way they implemented it does give you grace, right? Rather than an instakill which guarantees you're SOL without DD, if you are just a few seconds late on the timer, it's pretty likely you'll survive.

[meager garden]

think of it as a favor, yeah
either way you're gonna be behind schedule
Ideally you're accruing time with each zone, not running it to the wire

[fringe pecan]

I miss playing hades, just a few more days

[fleet wave]

wait wha? wym? few more days

[fringe pecan]

Shifting, setup not here yet

[meager garden]

believing that hades 2 is out

[fleet wave]

huh?

[glacial light]

when you are aiming for frosty venner and get 2 Demeter and 1 posideon boon in ephyra

[craggy totem]

The shade is coming to an end of days unblessed by Hades,
your setup deftly coalescing out from Chaos' void:
so place your trust in Time's sure swiftness, vow ever unfading,
and let reunion meet your patient waiting, overjoyed.

[glacial light]

why is steady grown earth NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[thin laurel]

lmao godsent night bloom never stops being funny
that + success rate and even one of the wimpiest possible enemies typhon can summon is just rapidly dealing 1.4k damage per hit, ily hera

[thin laurel]

hermes hera and aphro can maybe save you 👀 I believe...

[merry echo]

Do u mean hades 1?

[glacial light]

im taking it anyway

[merry echo]

Ares is cool i had the regenerate health by attacking when you reach 40% it carried me massively

[craggy totem]

Verie funnie when it's the lil tadpole lookin critter

[thin laurel]

ares is! I just listed those three since they also have water boons for frosty

[glacial light]

the birds are really funny to grab XD

[thin laurel]

aw? trying to paste an image link from a private discord server and it's getting blocked as potential spam...
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1432605477648465940/Screenshot_2025-10-27_at_10.42.32_PM.png?ex=6901a952&is=690057d2&hm=f23fcd78af6b43b5eb5733abac2050f615145150bc614834386825e011f5fc31&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1998&height=1486

there we go, editing it in works lol
I love success rate, extremely fun success rate build on morrigan

[craggy totem]

Buried the lede with that Banshee Brand lol

[thin laurel]

honestly cherished heirloom + success rate + white antler is the real star imo, 70% universal crit 💀 if blood triad could crit it would be over

[merry echo]

https://youtu.be/bq8AwUy_S54

[craggy totem]

Cherished Heirloom kinda goes hard yeah. I wish I would get a crack at it more often!

[thin laurel]

I keep getting it accidentally tbh! I always take hera, and demeter is very nice for safety

[glacial light]

cherished heirloom on chaos embryo goes so hard ngl

on embryo and on knuckle bones

[thin laurel]

I just wish it had a different effect for experimental hammer tbh, I want it to grant a lvII hammer like the icarus upgrades
since making it last longer almost never uh. does anything, by the time you get the duo

[craggy totem]

Someone in here was saying Fang gets pretty heavily buffed by it too, like the Rank 2 -> Rank 3 wasn't as big of a jump as Rank 3 -> CK Rank 4

[merry echo]

what happens when u max out ur bond with an npc? Do they help u on ur runs?

[craggy totem]

You get a cute little chibi on their keepsake, that's all :P

[glacial light]

little chibi on their keepsake

[merry echo]

Whats that

[craggy totem]

That would be super cool ngl. If only it did anything "outside" of the normal upgrade structure....

[merry echo]

So gifting them is useless?

[glacial light]

100% worth the time

[thin laurel]

it has no direct gameplay benefit (in most cases)
but you run out of things which have a gameplay benefit 🤷 buying decorations doesn't do anything either

[nova oar]

It's worth it for the art

[thin laurel]

also some specific NPCs do want maxed out (or at least high) relationships for prophecies or minor unlocks
but the main thing is dialogue and pretty art

[craggy totem]

Some people play games for "story" as it turns out 😆

[thin laurel]

WHAT. what's a story 😨 sounds scary

I played oneshot for the highly technical gameplay I'll have you know (such as "talk to NPC" and "bring item to NPC")

[digital shoal]

i have obtained my own ambrosia

time to game

[merry echo]

What about maxing out the olympians

[thin laurel]

afaik none of the olympian gods give anything for maxing them out, but I may be forgetting something
just dialogue

[merry echo]

Damn

[merry echo]

Talk to npc then bring item to npc sound like a side quest

[thin laurel]

I know I was joking lol
oneshot is an extremely story driven game with very minimal gameplay, simple puzzles and minor fetch quests, so basically the only reason to play it is for the story
(there is some unique gameplay stuff but it's kinda spoilery actually)

[merry echo]

It's 10/10 on steam damn

[thin laurel]

it's a pretty beloved indie game, altho not all that many people have played it
vague spoilers ||it's very fourth wall break-y||
people compare it to undertale sometimes, which isn't quite accurate but isn't a bad comparison

[merry echo]

Except it aint an rpg

[rotund hearth]

Not having familiars is driving me a bit nuts tbh. I don't know what I haven't done. I've confided multiple times yet nothing.

[scenic gust]

Nyx and Ares boon plasma mixing is wank. You will go too fast to dodge anything correctly

[meager garden]

Why Nyx?

[little mason]

bruh wat did nyx doo??

[meager garden]

nyx doesnt boost movespeed lol

[little mason]

guys having a mental breakdown

he cant tell whats fast and faster

[scenic gust]

mega charge the sprint. You become the Flash

[thin laurel]

I don't think that actually makes you move faster...? it just buffs your attack and special if you run into an enemy after sprinting long enough, but it doesn't change the speed of your sprint

[vital pine]

Athena being dazed by festive fog is still hilarious to me

[little mason]

shes a light weight

[merry echo]

Do bosses count as foes?

[thin laurel]

yup
so boons which say "when foes X" work on bosses

[merry echo]

Nice this should work then

[little mason]

so zues 25 percent to kill anyone should work right

on sub bosses

[buoyant matrix]

no because it mentions "susceptible"

[hearty timber]

I think non boss health bars minobosses can be instantly killed

[little mason]

did you not read my full message

[formal merlin]

That can be buffed with success rate, it's kinda funny at times

[little mason]

heroic suscess rate ez

[buoyant matrix]

every miniboss that doesn't have a guardian style healthbar is susceptible yeah
there's clips of it deleting the mega dracon in olympus 😌

[covert badge]

man i miss the old thunder sprint

more thunderrrsss ⚡

[merry echo]

3 typhon kills now

Almost died like 3 times

[craggy widget]

at least gramma's legendary works on everything

[fleet wave]

why is the dang cyclops poisoning me all of a sudden???? he didnt before even when i had rivals on

[craggy widget]

err I think that's medea's doing? like she poisons sheep and when he eats poisoned sheep his attacks get poison or something

[fleet wave]

no. before, i had rivals1 on and he never poisoned me like that

[fading knoll]

if poly steps in poison he starts spreading poison

[nova oar]

Her poison on the ground gives all his attacks poison

[craggy widget]

hmm did I get confused with EA then

[fading knoll]

EA was the exact same

[craggy widget]

okay that makes sense, I think I just merged two unrelated things

[proper remnant]

got lucky then, poly doesnt automatically inflict poison, he gotta get hit by the crossfire of medea's attack first.

[rotund hearth]

Is it a hot take to say field of mourning is my favourite location in this game

[merry whale]

fields is a vibe ye

[tawny slate]

Is the excellence arcana card not worth it? Barely see anyone running it, whereas in the first higher tier legendary chances was in most mirror set ups

[merry whale]

excellence is on the lower end of usefulness but it's better on surface due to the boon spam

[rotund hearth]

The music, the atmosphere, the double rewards and just the way you unlock encounters is peak

[rotund hearth]

I just added it to my arcana

[merry whale]

in the context of high fear there's a bit of flexibility between boatman for extra boon, or excellence for overall stronger builds

in low fear i can see just taking excellence

personally i just like boatman cuz it guarantees a boon in midshop or endshop in erebus

the bonus legendary chance is nice but tbh it's really not like ur gonna be depending on legendaries to carry the game

[tawny slate]

Is this game as “duo dependent” to make builds as the previous one was?

Or maybe a better way to phrase it is duos completed builds imo in the previous game. J made them way more effective ig

[merry whale]

plenty of duos r very strong rn ye

duo-less builds r perfectly fine but duos can bring stupidly good power

like hestia has a duo that makes any weak enemy never lose scorch while it continues to burn as if it were

[tawny slate]

Makes sense, I didn’t see any arcana cards that ups the chance of getting duos tho right? So I’m guessing they’re much more rare than the previous game then

[merry whale]

there's queen arcana that increases duo chance

rightmost column 4th row

[tawny slate]

Oh is that like a meta arcana card then?

[merry whale]

without jpom it's quite easy to proc it, and it's ideally smth u want esp since u have rerolls to fish for duos

[rotund hearth]

I also have that unlocked. Can I ask for the best 20 finger combo?

[little mason]

300 wound dmg per cast with scorch fireball op

[merry whale]

with jpom we kinda just forgo queen lol the +3lv is insane

[tawny slate]

Whats jpom

[rotund hearth]

I think mine is currently; strength, death, excellent, wayward son... I'll check the others

[merry whale]

it's been so long since i've played early game honestly u can run whatever is working for u

[tawny slate]

Acc ill j start playing hades 2👍

Can’t wait to start

[merry whale]

ah ye jpom is an endgame thing dw about it for now

[rotund hearth]

Yeah yeah. I'm just a bit obsessed with asking for tips

[tawny slate]

Oh one last question, are there more gods/people to get boons from?

[merry whale]

ye

[rotund hearth]

Yeah

[tawny slate]

[rotund hearth]

||Hera, Hestia, Hephaestus and Selene|| are the new gods off the top of my head

[merry whale]

selene is a titan iirc

[rotund hearth]

Yeah. Moon incarnate

But she gives good boons. Iirc Apollo wasn't also in the first game

[merry whale]

ye apollo was cut from h1 development

[rotund hearth]

Can't blame them lol

[craggy widget]

I think all 12 olympians are available now

[rotund hearth]

Hera's current boons would've been crazy in the first game

[merry echo]

I picked up a boon from hera that messed up my run

[wispy storm]

Has anyone ever found a use for reckless abandon

[covert badge]

lemme guess, born?

[merry echo]

Correct

Had to undo night

[humble urchin]

with Air quality, otherwise, not great

also don’t use it on the axe, needs a faster hitting weapon

[wispy storm]

"don't use it" is an understatement
I went digging and some people have used it on Hel Skull, which might be it's only non air quality application because it bricked a knives run I was doing recently

[marsh spear]

Imagine a Keepsake that can only be equipped at the beginning of a run, and makes it so every god boon is a mystery boon, and cycles through the whole 13 Olympian pantheon.

So if you get a Zeus boon first, you won't see him again until at least the 14th boon.

[limpid oar]

At high fear it'd practically mean you just get one boon per god 😭

[wispy forum]

i don't understand. would that really be of benefit?

[covert badge]

who could possibly be the one provides this keepsake maybe ||the fates||?

[merry echo]

So this was a lie huh? https://youtube.com/shorts/4YuudgtTIgk

[marsh spear]

I was thinking Iris, because she's also a Messenger, is more associated to Hera specifically, and is the Rainbow.
Hence the rainbow of colours with the boons.

[marsh spear]

It would be fun, guarantees getting 🛡️ 🏹 🍷, and maybe 2 of either/each

[wispy storm]

Sounds like an interesting mod

I think moreso than going one by one through the list a complete randomness would be neat, you could get multiple dionysus boons quickly for example

[marsh spear]

Yeah that too.
My personal goal is the full rainbow, but full random full pool also sounds fun

[wispy storm]

Been thinking of getting into modding for H2, I wonder if thisd be too hard to try out

[marsh spear]

Back in h1 iirc thay had to replace other gods to make space for the mod ones.

I hope h2 is more modular

But the keepsake cabinet for example is already full

[wispy storm]

Oh yeah it's extremely modular from what I know, the entire code is editable lua

Like you can just open and alter it's pretty unprecedented afaik

[wispy storm]

I think it'd be a fun first project to try to add a second page to the keepsake box so people can add their own (I wonder if anyone's done this yet)

[marsh spear]

Bro, if i can edit in keepsakes and Arcanae, I'm never touching grass again

Heck, I'd mod in companions if i could

[slim pike]

personally I just want to mod the NLS files so I can have really meme names for all of the aspects and bosses

[merry echo]

I would rename infernal cerberus as doge

[slim pike]

messy pup

and just rename typhon to "Hey wait stop be gentle with this!" just for the joke of him breaking the healthbar at the start

[nova oar]

My save states still refusing to work

[marsh spear]

What I'd give to have Artemis as core god, all of her boons at once.
Cracked

Heck, imagine a run where the god pool is:
🦚 🏹 🍷 🛡️ 🪽

[slim pike]

You'd have to invent some fitting core boons

[wispy storm]

Reading up on Iris now, cool character!

[junior thorn]

guys im trying to do all achievements, and i just need these ones and i was wondering if i can just do the necessary events and then end the night or do i need to end the full run?

[wispy storm]

what achievement are you referring to?

[junior thorn]

thought i could attach images lol

i need golden age, unfinished business, and Silk and Spitefulness

[cursive nacelle]

unfinished business you need to complete the runs or die while you are making progress on the prophecy

silk unlocks after the convo happens so you can end night after it completes

[wispy storm]

Ah those ones appear on the fated list, for Golden Age you may have the prophecy the fates gave you already (it updates to let you know what the next steps are), Unfinished Business is linked to Odysseus so you need him to introduce the list item (might require more bond), and Silk and Spitefulness is a long chain of dialog that starts with Arachne

[marsh spear]

In that case all cores would be Hera's

[slim pike]

I mean, for artemis to be a full boon giver, she needs cores

that's like, the defining feature, along with duos and a legendary

[covert badge]

shouldnt be hard to port her boons from h1 i think?

[slim pike]

yeah but is that in keeping?

[wispy storm]

I kinda really like Artemis as support honestly, Crit just works really well as an augmentation on top of other more complex effects

It's the same reason I've never really wanted Hermes as a core-boon giver in either game

[slim pike]

her H1 boons as is would be busted good given how many other soruces of +% damage there are to layer on top

[junior thorn]

y i got full bond with Odysseus, but can i talk with Circe and then end the night and restart to talk with ther again right?

[slim pike]

you'd need to give her a new theme of some kind, and maybe work out some way for an artemis cast to work

and a gain of some kind

[wispy storm]

Only if by end the run you mean winning or dying, if you do "reset night" from the menu it will bascically reload to before that run entirely so it won't save any conversations you've had

[marsh spear]

I agree, i think all 4 work great as support

[covert badge]

mortal gain shady af comebacks 💅

[wispy storm]

Dionysus I think has maybe the most potential as a core-giver but even still hard to think of something interesting

Hestia's got DOT down pat

[slim pike]

festive fog cast, but like... hangover got muscled out pretty hard by scorch

[wispy storm]

I figure Dio's cores would probably have to be overhauled with a new idea

[marsh spear]

I'd LOVE to design boons for them though

[wispy storm]

and it has to be good enough to be worth the hassle

[wispy storm]

Designing boons is definitely fun, I also like thinking about dialog potential with stuff like the Iris keepsake idea

[humble urchin]

ok but hear me out…hangover funny

[slim pike]

sure, but what would it do?

[humble urchin]

no that’s the point in my message, i have no clue either

[slim pike]

what practical debuff is there left to do that isn't horribly stepping on the toes of other gods?

[covert badge]

stun?

[slim pike]

Hades 1 suffered from this a bit tobh

how many DoT effects were there? Hangover, Rupture, Decay?

[buoyant matrix]

the issue with dio cast isn't that fog is weak. it's that turns your cast from instant button press to "wait 2 work days for it land where the enemy used to be"

[slim pike]

Jolt was just a really wonky blitz in retrospect, Doom was DoT but in a lump

[slim pike]

Tipsy shot would need to be a tier 2, like coal and lance

just thinking the cast itself would make the fog in place

[wispy storm]

yeah that'd be the best idea

[slim pike]

but fog would be way too good if you could just tap B to get a +50% global bonus

[wispy storm]

the h2 gods are such a good spread of effects its tough though, because if festive fog is stun then it gets outclassed by demeter

it could be interesting if it was pretty much the furies without the furies

[slim pike]

damage vulnerability is basically glow

Probably better to think in terms of "How would this god want you to fight?"

like, aphrodite wants you to get up close and personal, and offers weakness to make it safer to do so and big damage bonuses for being there

Dio would want you all to have a big party together, but Hera's already wanting you to do that

Only think that I can really think of is a curse that allows enemies to hurt each other as well as you, but that's really wonky to use in practice

Has anyone noticed that Twilight Curse quietly lost its Revulsion Bright upgrade? Yeah I'd forgotten too

[twin rivet]

Does flood gain work with possessed array? Because I've seen contradictory information in the YouTube comments

[slim pike]

Sorta?

[covert badge]

yes, flood acts like unlimited magick for the time period, its pretty good with possessed

[wispy storm]

that sounds fun actually xD

[slim pike]

iirc it allows free casting when you're overspending, but doesn't actually trigger the associated mana regen

which is fine as long as you're in the flood state, but you'll be empty at the end

[twin rivet]

So if I activate it with a normal omega every once in a while, it works?

[covert badge]

born still win with possessed for consistency tho

[slim pike]

don't need to

[buoyant matrix]

it doesn't work well, you have to do an omega move to manually activate it every time then go crazy

[twin rivet]

Doesn't matter that much, I just want to do a mellow skull run with island getaway and Aprho attack

[slim pike]

Flood state will still trigger when you overspend, and flood state has two effects: allows overcasting as long as max mana > intended spend amount, and refunds mana spent. Possessed array allows the first but not the second

[buoyant matrix]

tranquil or born gain work best with parray

[twin rivet]

Yeah ik, I just need a core for poseidon and all other slots are already taken

[slim pike]

Flood gain is a great gain

Easily the best boon for extremely hungry builds if you haven't got a lot of mana cap

[buoyant matrix]

it's viable in many builds, i just find it uncomfortable to use

tranquil and born are so comfy 🫀

[slim pike]

Tranquil is akward for me tbh

unless it's supay, where it's free

[twin rivet]

Tranquil is also nice on Charon

[buoyant matrix]

you're talking to god's strongest tranquil charon user 💪

[twin rivet]

All gains are good, except Heph (as a gain) and Ares (without legendary)

Talking about Ares, did they buff plasma enough or does it still suck without legendary?

[slim pike]

Ares is a lot better in preview patch 1

they expanded the pickup range quite a bit and that honestly really helps

[twin rivet]

Oops I forgot I was doing an egg run so I can't switch keepsakes lol

[slim pike]

one has to remember that cardio gain can only trigger once per move, and only on non omega specials and attacks. Grisly gain gains less and has a lower % chance to proc, buuuuut it triggers on any hit from anything

so an axe swing will roll for grisly gain for every enemy hit, but cardio gain will only proc once if it hits at all

[twin rivet]

Cardio gain is nice on the right weapon

[slim pike]

cardio gain is pretty strong, yeah

mirrored thasher loves it

[wooden spire]

cardio on torches >>>

[foggy hearth]

is it wrong i keep starting the game over from scratch? hides

[slim pike]

Right up until you get sudden burst and Racing thoughts and suddenly every attack is an omega

[twin rivet]

The humble fine lines + ocean swell build:

[covert badge]

still not enough if its 50 magick per o.atk tho

[slim pike]

this is where flood gain shines

[real scarab]

grisly gain seems better than cardio now for fast hitting weapons

[wooden spire]

if you're playing ||mom and dad|| keepsake cardio can give A LOT of mana per attack

I had a run where it was heroic and went up to 14 per hit or something

[slim pike]

Supay loves it, oddly

you're freer to move around, and it's just showering hits everywhere

[buoyant matrix]

are you not interested in the story or do you keep finishing it before restarting

[slim pike]

Undo Night or fresh save?

[real scarab]

I used it with moros and never had Magick problems all run

[foggy hearth]

I've finished the main story, without the epilouge, 3 times, 1 on the patch

...kinda doing analysis for fun

[slim pike]

how dare you enjoy the game in a way you chose

[foggy hearth]

I know, I'm terrible mock sobbing

[marsh spear]

New debuffs are certainly a doozy to design

And it's not like Exposed can be recycled. It was baaaad

[wispy storm]

can be fun to analyse the story yeah! ive been rewatching the patched final underworld run since it came out, im obssessed with how excellent the changes are

[foggy hearth]

story just really good, and it's fun to go through it and pick at details. I still have a save that's totally done with the main story, but idk. It's been fun to pick apart, even the first draft was really good...which yeah first draft is what i call the prepatch

[slim pike]

Hades 2 is a lot less backstab focused in general. I kinda feel H1 had that due to it being a big thing in Transistor

[wispy storm]

and overlooked are the new underworld ending conversations, so good

[marsh spear]

I'd imagine Iris being the gossip aide to Queen Hera

[slim pike]

Jolted was a wonky mess given what the game internally calls an "attack"

[twin rivet]

Why the heck does Chronos still take me to asphodel after getting true ending

[slim pike]

and... I dunno , high surf seems to be a rebirth of jolted, sorta

[wispy storm]

that's a clonos, somehow

[slim pike]

there's a conversation about that you can have once it's happened

[foggy hearth]

@twin rivet i just assumed it was vestiges of whatever spell he used

[tepid rune]

There is dialogue that pops up addressing exactly that if you keep playing

[foggy hearth]

but yeah i replay it a lot but sadly i'm too good at the game without hellmode so I tend to clear the main plot REALLY fast

[marsh spear]

Iris Poseison interaction:
🌈: so, lord Poseidon blah blah
🔱: go sip, girl

[twin rivet]

Would rather have it not happen after getting true ending but I digress

[slim pike]

designing curses for Hades 2 has the issue of needing to help you kill faster, but also not be just raw damage somehow since we have that in spades already

daze is a weird one in that it's kind of a combo tool

[marsh spear]

Wounds too is for combo

[wispy storm]

I figure there'd be a line from Iris musing on the fact that Apollo and Poseidon could totally team up to make a rainbow based duo but they haven't figured that out yet so her niche remains uncontested xD

[slim pike]

First rule of rougelites, the gameplay loop is king and can never have features removed from it permanently

[marsh spear]

WHEEEEEEEZE

[wispy storm]

that or Apollo Demeter because weather is seasons

[slim pike]

it's that but is intended to be used until itself for damage

[marsh spear]

There also would have to be mention of the time Apollo, Hermes and Iris raced in the first Olympiad, and Apollo won

[wispy storm]

damn

He really does just have protagonist luck at everything huh

[marsh spear]

I'm imagining Iris as a ADHD hyperpop y2k I LOVE COLOUR'S AND SPARKLES girl

[foggy hearth]

Zeus' kids tend to be overachievers

or heracles, there is no in-between (slow mode is evil T_T )

[slim pike]

heh, I remember Critical Miss was a boon for apollo and what were they thinking?

[marsh spear]

Oh riooooght

What do it did?

[slim pike]

dazed enemies take 100-150 damage if daze makes them miss. but daze is only a 20% chance so what am I supposed to do with this? deliberately get hit like a fool?

[marsh spear]

Power surge but worse

[slim pike]

it's what eventually resurfaced as Warm Breeze, which makes way more sense

[foggy hearth]

the no-move hades clear 😛

[slim pike]

and warm breeze replaced the VERY maligned Phoenix skin

[wispy storm]

this is exactly the image i have in my head as well lmao xD hermes focuses on efficiency, Iris is just living in the moment

[foggy hearth]

if you dont make iris look like karolina dean from the runaways, you're doing it wrong /nerdery

[wispy storm]

excellent visual reference

[slim pike]

(if you didn't attack for 3 seconds, you'd start regenerating slowly, but you also had -100 max hp and it had the most awkward requirements)

(and it would work during conversations and boon selection menus)

[wispy storm]

yeesh

[marsh spear]

It was GuanYu again

[slim pike]

you needed burnt offering, an old hestia boon that sacrificed a random other boon for +50-70 max hp and mana

[wispy storm]

so strange

[slim pike]

it was probably to help ensure you had 100 hp to even lose

But like, that's a massive hit to your survivability, completely contradicting what the boon was meant to help with

and Aphrodite's Healthy Rebound is right there

Protip, Healthy Rebound and Dio's Bounce Back combo wonderfully well together

you end an encounter, bounce back refunds a bunch of hp loss, and then when you walk out the door, you're probably above the threshold for healthy rebound to take you back to 100%

[hallow vault]

Well now whats actually bad about the Game

Like the Ending was the easiest flaw to spot Out and not lable it as a perfect

[marsh spear]

That it ends

It's a bit wonky but i still think people over reacted a bit

[hallow vault]

I guess u could say its not appealing to everyone and when it does its Amazing and when not not so much

[foggy hearth]

only bad thing for me is it's too easy and i breezed through the main story T_T

[wispy storm]

That since the status quo shifts a lot, many dialogs are relegated to the story section, and then stop appearing after the ending (This is mitigated a lot by reliving the story being an option)

[slim pike]

there's no romance option for prometheus, I mean that guy is hot. And also hot

[foggy hearth]

routinely plays at 20+ fear, not a brag but a curse

[hallow vault]

No Hotspring Prometheus scene and no Hotspring Heracles scene 😔

[slim pike]

Prometheus would be the spring's heating system

[wispy storm]

For example there's a whole arc of dialog for doing surface runs but not having seen/heard of typhon yet, you can lock yourself out of at least assumedly 7 lines or something if you go too quickly, and this likewise goes with a good couple knowledge shifts

[marsh spear]

Hot springs with BOTH

[wispy storm]

(This is why it's excellent they're having it take more runs to reach the ending)

[hallow vault]

I love how the Ending change made the User score of Metacritic go up from 8.4 to 8.8 😭😭

I think everyone likes it

[wispy storm]

I'm very happy for those friends of mine who have been delaying their playthroughs

[rough horizon]

The Hestia sacrifice boons were a nice nod, but I'm happy they removed them, especially because there were some nasty interactions (I'm thinking of you, Echo... thinking of you... thinking of you...)

[wispy storm]

I'm even encouraging it in the case of one of my friends who only has the switch version, I do feel bad but they agree it's probably the best course to give it a little time to update

[hallow vault]

Only ones disliking that Game are people who dont like the genre people who refuse to adapt and stupid Culture Warriors

But they are like a minioritiy and just too little to care

[foggy hearth]

or people who couldn't see even in the first draft the ending is foreshadowed in such a way you can see it from pluto

[hallow vault]

I dont understand the refusal to adapt btw

[dense yacht]

what

[hallow vault]

They play it like Hades but it isnt liek Hades its its own Game

[foggy hearth]

there's a lot of that on reddit and tumblr, people who don't like the ending because 'it came out of left field' and 'chronos should die' i'm convinced these people havne't played other SG games

[dense yacht]

what does playing other SG games have to do with the ending come out of left field?

[foggy hearth]

that's more talking about the themes, as well, especially in the first hades game, they made the themes of the series pretty clear.

[dense yacht]

yeah, and then Hades II came and had a completely different tone with a much worse villain who had no hint of being redeemable

[wispy storm]

eh idk this isnt really a hill to die on, ||zagreus|| didn't foreshadow his most major decision much at all and took it upon himself with very little forewarning to other characters, they addressed this directly in both the first and especially the new draft which does an excellent job letting the player in on the angle early and often

[foggy hearth]

but there are hints, even in the first version? things he says, how he speaks, ect. they made it really clear in the rewrite, so the idea that he had no hint of redemption is more people reading in to it.

[wispy storm]

i think you might be thinking in hindsight a little bit here because i think the first time player experience is pretty telling, for many these subtle cues you're speaking of were too subtle

Like I enjoyed the first draft a ton but wow the new patch is so much better

[dense yacht]

What things were those? At no point is is disputed that he was a terrible father and pretty much everyone hates him, so his feelings of betrayal fall rather flat. The best thing he's got going for him is that Golden Age talk, which never actually sounds all that golden.

Not to mention he's actively torturing his son by keeping him imprisoned but aware so he can suffer knowing that his loved ones are frozen in time.

[bronze latch]

no matter how many tiny hints there were it was still a huge surprise for most people and the ending was just too sudden and felt bad for many reasons im sure other people have already said

[slim pike]

Well about that, there's a very strange conversation you have with hades where he talks about how Chronos came to visit him to talk about what he knew of Melinoe

[wispy storm]

The new dialog specifically pointing out Chronos's primary motivation is vital since before he talked less about his motivations and more about his actions and his actions are necessarily all obfuscation because he didn't openly admit his motivations at first

[dense yacht]

Is that new or old?

[slim pike]

Mel assumes chronos tortured him, and Hades says "no, we just talked"

[bronze latch]

also what does "culture warriors" even mean here

[slim pike]

Can't remember if it was in the old build, I'd have seen it over a year ago if it was

[dense yacht]

Might be new, then. Regardless, I'm not talking about that kind of torture.

[slim pike]

no, I get that, but it's one of the more eye opening moments for Chronos

[wispy storm]

yeah i wanted to point that out too but i figured it was too much effort, i assume they meant well but it is strange to use gamergate's own vapid buzzterms to refer to gamergate itself

[dense yacht]

oh crap, this is #h2-discussion? 👀
should I have been spoilering stuff?

[slim pike]

maybe it is new, since it's very much in line with Chronos' more bitter personality, rather than megalomanicial

[dense yacht]

I thought I was in #h2-patch-preview. 😅

[wispy storm]

And yeah the new Hades dialog super supports everything, ||not only does he talk about Chronos having a peaceful conversation with him which displays an underlying humanity, but Hades also now says his "I became bitter like him" exchange with melinoe prior to the ending, which is, again, excellent, because now you're primed to have less of a mental gap between chronos and the rest of the cast, it frames his actions not as "this is unheard of" but as "this is a generational cycle" it puts him parallel and equal to everyone else||

[slim pike]

which is underlined by the conversations with zagreus saying he never often got along with Hades

and Chronos talking about how this isn't really her fight

[wispy storm]

yes!!!! it's all so good it makes me think launch was rushed and this is what they wanted all along!!!! it's so peak!!!

better late than never imo, these changes are incredble! can't wait for them to come to switch as well

[dense yacht]

I look forward to playing through it when the patch comes out.

[nova oar]

The changes are on switch

[wispy storm]

Patch 1?

[nova oar]

The preview patch can be downloaded on switch yeah

[wispy storm]

Are you positive? How?

[jaunty night]

Dang I've been not looking at the new patch spoilers, but I really should play it huh

[wispy storm]

if you'd like to absolutely, the new incantation lets you keep your upgrades and re-experience the story kind of like a new game +

[covert badge]

man i miss burnt offering

but spiritual affirmation is the better version of this

[slim pike]

you will snuff your candle and like it mister, or miss.

[covert badge]

still thinking this matches as ares boon more

[slim pike]

Dunno, Wounds and bladefalls are encouraging you to throw yourself into the thick of it

[lusty pagoda]

I wonder if there's a way to work with the OAttack on staff

I figured out keeping the button pressed and dodging just skips the dash attack and instantly channels the OAttack again, and that seems like a fun little challenge

Maybe born gain, hitch
Get a curse on cast and I'll be set

[twin rivet]

Ah yes, I love getting the prereqs for a legendary in Ephyra and then never getting that God offered again

Oh okay I lied, I got them twice

[junior hollow]

alright what does everyone enjoy more surface or underworld?

for me personally I enjoy the surface in almost everyway more then the underworld
boss fights, regions, npcs and so on

[cobalt flint]

Both

[wispy storm]

Ive come to prefer underworld because it's way easier to speedrun

[junior hollow]

i enjoy both as well but the surface just has more things i enjoy

[wispy storm]

yeah for sure both routes are excellent

[junior hollow]

surface speed runs are goated

[wispy storm]

Totally but it's quite a bit more difficult

[limpid oar]

If you really want to, Momus is your friend. Take the Night arcana and alternate oattack with ospecial

[limpid oar]

Ottack on non-hidden staff is kinda bad, but if you wanna make use of it this is the best setup for that

[junior hollow]

idk if im the only one to feel like this but the only thing i dont enjoy is 3rd region in underworld i know sg where trying something different and i applaud that but i just dont enjoy having to go through it

[junior hollow]

honestly ive found surface to be easier

[marsh spear]

I just love Ephyra

[wispy storm]

I dunno I think fields is kinda fun, you get to excersise some movement and you get a lot of milage out of both fig leaf and gorgon amulet, as well as its pretty satisfying to get the smallest room order of as many 2-reward doors vs 3-reward doors as possible

plus it's a wonderful time to equip ||time piece|| since there are so many easily accessible side rewards that dont take up a room

[twin rivet]

How's auto-fire supposed to work? I'm trying aspect of eos and I keep holding auto fire (yes I have enabled it in options), but it still uses omega attacks

[junior hollow]

agreed

[slim pike]

It doesn't change that. It already autofires

[junior hollow]

idk i just dont enjoy having to run through all of it and my dumbass gets lost in it

[slim pike]

Follow the golden leaves

[wispy storm]

With the bough it's fun

[lusty pagoda]

i dont like the ospecial tho

[junior hollow]

its good when you have the small-medium rooms but the massive rooms it feels annoying

[slim pike]

They always lead to the tree

[marsh spear]

I love getting lost, reminds me of Resident Evil and Vagrant Story

[junior hollow]

i still get lost lmao

[wispy storm]

yeah follow the golden leaves to the bough and then the markers

[limpid oar]

Then I guess you can either do the same thing with ocast or drop the night bit and just do your regular attacks/special when you place the oattack down

[slim pike]

Wow, the other guy who played vs

[verbal hinge]

fear = heat?

i can't upgrade the scythe until i kill chronos then ):

[twin rivet]

Huh, I thought auto fire removed the option to use omegas

[limpid oar]

Torches (and I think Hel skull) attack are a special case

[marsh spear]

I wish there was a Chaos Trial that involved ONLY Ephyra but you had to go through ALL of the rooms, with the difficulty increasing non stop (Eris bell?)

[wispy storm]

and you can hold a button to do them i think

[twin rivet]

You can get nightmare from other sources too! To upgrade everything you actually need to buy some from the shops

[twin rivet]

Bruh, so how am I supposed to play Eos then

[verbal hinge]

oh cool
rn it's telling me the only source is fear
other sources are blanked out tho so maybe i gotta do something else to unlock

[marsh spear]

I can tell you the other sources, if you want

[twin rivet]

I think you need to complete q few testaments first

And unlock the broker

[verbal hinge]

is cool i'll find em

so what's the trick with the axe tho?

how do i make it do move 2 consistently without doing dash or final strike?

[marsh spear]

Be mindful of button presses

[verbal hinge]

they queue?

[marsh spear]

It registers then all if you press frantically

[wispy storm]

that's the neat part though move 2 isn't necessarily required

[verbal hinge]

yess i felt it did but couldn't be sure

[verbal hinge]

but it's the nicest
big swing decent damage

[wispy storm]

sure but dashstrike special dashstrike is much safer

[verbal hinge]

i have a hard time aiming since they stuck it on default aim at cursor it feels weird and i hate it

[wispy storm]

that's fair i dont play kbm so i cant comment

[verbal hinge]

in hades the only time you had to put it on attack at cursor was for one particular aspect. otherwise, never

[junior hollow]

isent there a setting that autoaims or am i tripping

[marsh spear]

Regarding my previous post about Iris:
🌈 RAINBOW RUUUUUUN 🌈

[verbal hinge]

i should maybe try this with controller

in hades i had to use kbm because of dash spam, but here it might actually help me slow down

[junior hollow]

sometimes it feels like it auto aims for me i use mkb

[verbal hinge]

trippin

you can toggle dash at cursor but not attack

[junior hollow]

oh idk i like it more with you have to aim tbh

[verbal hinge]

yes

[keen tartan]

maybe i shouldn't run strength and instead run Death when facing a rivals fight i haven't seen before

[wispy storm]

absolutely

[keen tartan]

i got absolutely cooked the moment i went into ||Chronos phase 3||

[real scarab]

new run and got thermal dynamics on ephyra lol

[rotund hearth]

YOU LOOK AT ME WITH BEWITCHING EYES

[median flax]

lmao going through a typhon phase with a single cast is a little insane

[verbal hinge]

the telegraphs in this game are terrible

[median flax]

friendship with thanatos has ended, circe is my best friend now

[verbal hinge]

circe just ruined my run by taking my strength away

[devout cairn]

sounds like you just died to prometheus

[median flax]

circe staff is the most broken armament in this game and I'm not hearing otherwise

[real scarab]

circe aspect is pretty busted ye

[verbal hinge]

but her piggy is a little chth

[real scarab]

only time I use raki

[verbal hinge]

prometheus, circeeris, even the cyclops

all their moves look exactly the same you don't know what they're going to do until they do it then there's practically no time to dodge it so you eat it in the face instead

[median flax]

I like Hecuba, I like being able to drop the cast where i am and where I was reliably

[devout cairn]

polyphemus, really? All his moves are very distinct

[wispy storm]

you keep saying circe circe isn't a boss who are you actually referring to lmao

[median flax]

Was gonna say, Polyphemus is probs one of the most telegraphed enemies in the game

and yeah circe isn't even a boss, she's just a lady who makes you big sometimes

[verbal hinge]

the stamps? sometimes it's a slow red circle shockwave sometimes it's the fast spikes and i haven't noticed a way to distinguish it before he lands

[verbal hinge]

on eris lmao i had circe on the mind

[devout cairn]

prometheus though yes they are hard to distinguish at first but he's very cool to fight once you learn his animations

[wispy storm]

i think you will in time then, the animations are different

[median flax]

Eris is really telegraphed

[devout cairn]

I dont think i've ever had an issue with these two in particular, they always looked different for me, also the slow stomps are SLOW

[verbal hinge]

i had a wonderful run against him, dodged everything in his first phase, and then i just couldn't find the safe spot for his full screen attacks. three times i ate them lol

[devout cairn]

ironically those are the most telegraphed attacks in the entire game

[verbal hinge]

the red sight can be more than one thing

[median flax]

yes, and it shows that thing very distinctly

[verbal hinge]

yeah they look the same for me maybe it's my eyes tbh

but i have no problem reading silksong bosses (even if they hit my anyway) so i honestly don't know

[verbal hinge]

oh ok i haven't learned to read it yet then i see it and panic it's hard to juke

[thorn cradle]

Hi, does anyone know if Gift Gift Gift is rarer than the other Echo offers? (with maxed bond with Echo)

[verbal hinge]

is there better control with run lock on or off?

[median flax]

I still haven't unlocked the ability to bond with Echo and I still don't know how lmao

[median flax]

Well if you're panicking, of course you can't see how they telegraph their attacks

[wispy storm]

There might be some keepsakes which don't allow it to appear but I'm not sure if this is the case

[thorn cradle]

gift her after talking with her)

[verbal hinge]

excuse me i can see it while i panic

[median flax]

when Eris lines up a shot, the lines of her shots visibly flash on the ground

You can see if it's a spread shot, a long-range straight shot, or a short-range multi-shot

[median flax]

yeah I can't for some reason, no option to do it

[verbal hinge]

long range and short range look the same to me i need to look again

[verbal hinge]

did you press c when you talked to her it usually tells you the gift condition

[wispy storm]

Could be locked heart probably need to get to the interactions between her and another character

[devout cairn]

i thought it would be a perma run but you have to constantly "turn on" the running, i felt it was clunky and prefer having full control over it

[thorn cradle]

then gift Narcisus more. And be sure u try gift her AFTER she gives u boon. For some reason u cant gift her before it.

[median flax]

yeah I've gifted him a ton, I think I'm just waiting on a dialogue to occur

I knew it involved narcisus because I know my greek myth but it's not occured yet

[thorn cradle]

Also may be u need some conversations with Nemesis

[median flax]

I'm fully bonded with nemesis

[weary tartan]

officially bought all decorations except for the rare resource ones in the training grounds
i'm gonna get a FAT check when the next patch drops

[verbal hinge]

does volcanic strike take up your attack boon spot?

[median flax]

I gift narcisus every time I see him, too

[median flax]

yes it does, haeph booms is a very 'needs investment but kicks ass'

[wispy storm]

Each pom reduces the cooldown so you can get blasts over and over quicker

[verbal hinge]

yes i absolutely love them my first good run ever was haeph dash on torches

but it's not % based so idk if i want it on attack then

[slim pike]

its fiiine on attack

[median flax]

depends on your weapon but flat damage is sometimes better than % damage

[slim pike]

easier to get to that critical 2 sec cooldown, then start going in on the 5 duos that benefit blasts

[verbal hinge]

yeah i think it's time i read a guide i'm sick of not knowing what works with what

[median flax]

Nah, just experiment

[verbal hinge]

if anyone has a good one pls gib

[slim pike]

Heph has blast duos with Apollo, aphrodite, hestia(!), demeter and posideon

[verbal hinge]

rn i'm still clearing the fate list so my builds are whatever the game says i should take

[median flax]

Generally speaking, if you do lots of instances of damage, flat damage is better. If you do big damage, increasing it by a % is better. But Haeph does his own flat big damage thing, which is why he requires investment

[slim pike]

and they all kinda multiply with each other (well, they multiply with Chain Reaction)

The big trio of Cryopounder, Rude Awakening and Chain Reaction will win you runs

[wispy storm]

Fast = on-hit effect // Strong = % buff

[verbal hinge]

ok i'm going to try for something nice this run hopefully poseidon

[slim pike]

posideon's just shortens the recharge a bit, it's honestly the most underwhelming blast-bonus, but it has applications outside of that

[verbal hinge]

ok that works
i remember now it was the same for hades, which is why i'd get zeus on eris

yeah i had forgotten this rule

[onyx thicket]

hello, what happens if you purge a boon in a 'family conflict' location using the 'time piece'? Does it anger anybody or simply changes the room to standard room?

[verbal hinge]

btw where does scorch land? because it is on effect, but it also stacks

[slim pike]

still angers the other god

[wispy storm]

It'd be cool if it had unique dialog xD

[slim pike]

it's on-hit, slight emphasis on spreading it around a lot, but not as much as blitz likes it

[wispy storm]

Scorch is defo on hit because each hit applies more so it benefits from fast

[slim pike]

scorch burns down at 100/s and there's things like Freezer Burn and Pyro Technique you can get to make big stacks of scorch better

[verbal hinge]

cool my builds are going to 🪨 now

[wispy storm]

Blitz is a slight exception because it works for both fast or strong because it is insane

[slim pike]

Blitz prefers AoE above all

everyone needs their own personal black cloud

[wispy storm]

But it is sliiightly leaning towards fast

[slim pike]

and leans a bit towards offhand

like just letting your torch Ospecial spread blitz everywhere while you pummel targets with the main attack

the only other real onhit style is Wave and the game doesn't tell you that the splash sizes vary

[wispy storm]

Wdym the splash sizes vary

[dreamy forum]

I am TIRED of the Xinth slander

[slim pike]

they vary

based on the exact move that created the splash

there's a standard size for them, but iirc axe attacks are 1.2x bigger, and the drill stab on the blades (third attack in the combo), is scaled to 0.7x

doesn't affect damage, only size

and bare in mind this is an AoE thing, so 1.2x "bigger" means 1.44x area

[wispy storm]

Interesting

Hmm maybe an axe o attack splash run could be goofy

[slim pike]

FYI, King Tide is +35% size on splashes

[slim pike]

It's honestly not terrible on thanatos

pretty sure someone showed getting three splashes off of one mel axe swing too

no wait, axe is 1.1x

1.2x is just for the chop at the end,

[wispy storm]

Seems like a lot of really tiny variance

[slim pike]

whirlwind is oddly 0.8x, and shredder is 0.6x

0.6 is also the smallest it gets, yeesh that's tiny

0.36x area coverage

[humble urchin]

shredder is the special i assume?

[median flax]

Am I the only person who feels like charybdis hits way further than the range of their animation

[slim pike]

yes

[humble urchin]

ah yes, the shredder with negative range

i swear i miss gold pots when trying to break them with it😭

[lusty pagoda]

man i love charon axe

gimme geyser spout and im set

[bold depot]

really wish this beta patch didn't exist to kinda change the true ending experience :(

i dont wanna play beta cause unfinished patch and i dont wanna play it later by having to "replay it" so i just quit the game until next patch

[tranquil wren]

?

[slim pike]

I get it

[tranquil wren]

I don't get the second part

[slim pike]

they've not got the true ending on the main branch yet

so they're just gonna wait until the updates are live on main

[mossy shell]

Ah. Get the tentacles before the drummer in Rivals fight

[tranquil wren]

yeah now I save roxy for last

[mossy shell]

That's where I was messing up

[tranquil wren]

ah I see. but imo it's easy to make a backup and switch to beta branch

[mossy shell]

Im gonna go tent, guitar, roxy/scylla

[slim pike]

yeah but they don't want to do the true ending twice

[mossy shell]

Any tips for the other rivals fights?

Like Cere and Chronos

[slim pike]

stop punching cerberus when he's blocking

or you'll eat fireball spam to the face in retaliation

[mossy shell]

Ive beaten Rivals Scylla once, but 32 fear requires brain activity

[median flax]

Rivals cerberus scares me more than rivals scylla but maybe I just ain't used to him yet

[fast kestrel]

The fact they made a dialogue for having the Jeweled Pom while being at still chained Hades is crazy

[slim pike]

just bring three tennisballs, easy

[mossy shell]

I never had a problem with base Cerebus

[lament fern]

wait that's insane

[hallow vault]

Idk why but for me surface rivals are easier 😭

[slim pike]

I never saw it

[mossy shell]

Rivals Eris is easy

I hated Rivals Cyclops tho . All the moves blend in

[median flax]

Yes but Medea's contributions are very reliably the same so you can get used to them and basically make her a non-factor, even if it's really overwhelming to start off with

Also, I have athena 'death defiance every room' and hades 'gain 8% damage for each death defiance used' we're going to the moon folks

[slim pike]

athena

[rich salmon]

Mel and moros are so cute together i cant
Boy failure gentlemen and “cant read the room for the life or death of her” underworld princess

[median flax]

yes

[median flax]

Hecate remarks 'oh no, now there's two of them'

[near smelt]

Is there any way to make circe appear cause im struggling to find her and am trying to do an achivement hunt for the game

[rich salmon]

Hecate in her mind “okay on the one hand i have to size up her boyfriend to make sure he’ll treat her right but on the other hand he’s a son of nyx so im contractually obligated to be nice ugh blood and darkness”

[median flax]

I beat 32 fear 🫡 second try

[dreamy forum]

i do not understand the ||anubis|| staff and dont know how to build it

[median flax]

It only took me somehow managing to get about 16 death defiances in a single run and then using that to stack the hell out of hades damage buff

[buoyant matrix]

it has a unique playstyle but it's very strong

put either zeus or hestia on attack
for special get a %boost and use omega specials to deal massive damage

if you've finished the story, you can watch boated's latest 62 fear run with it and see how he plays it

[mossy shell]

Best keepsake for fear 32 underworld?

On staff melione

[buoyant matrix]

starting keepsake? jpom

[mossy shell]

That one does look sick, but unfortunately I haven't leveled it. Ive been using the calling card

Guess I got to now

[buoyant matrix]

you can level it up asap with trials, look for an erebus trial that doesn't force a keepsake

[verbal hinge]

wish i could show you this build
ironically, my best run is with the sickle and dagger

i'm meltin mobs in olympus if i manage to stay away from his instakill i'm going to beat prometheus

[mossy shell]

What fear

[verbal hinge]

zero

i've not finished the game yet the bosses are hard

[vernal quarry]

Even if I've already gotten the ending can I still do something in game to get the updated ending that SGG added in the latest patch?

[tranquil wren]

yes, there's a new incantation

[mossy shell]

The close range weapons seem to fall off at higher fear levels

I used the sickles for a bit, but at 32 I switched to the staff

[verbal hinge]

yes i was told they aren't great even at a beginner level. is why i said ironically

[mossy shell]

I like Morrigan but it just doesnt seem viable on 32 unless you are insane

[tranquil wren]

all aspects are viable at 32. also the morrigan is just super strong as well

[mossy shell]

Im sure the staffs are easier though

[tranquil wren]

well aspect of mel and circe are just busted, yeah, but that doesn't make morrigan worse

[buoyant matrix]

all aspects are viable until like 59

[mossy shell]

I could try morrigan on 32, but I dont think I'd like it lol

[pallid cradle]

Morrigan at 32 is still pretty easy imo

[mossy shell]

To be fair, I was playing on the step down below 32 with morrigan and I was doing fine

Ok we get it, yall are good.

[buoyant matrix]

i think it's just that you're running an inefficient oath for your 32

[mossy shell]

Which do you recommend

[buoyant matrix]

happens a lot with newer players, we've had multiple counts of people running void

something like this
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzEsMCwyLDAsMCwzLDAsNSwxLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

[mossy shell]

Yea i dont have time on at all. Maybe I'll try that one

It's probably the hordes that are messing me u0

[buoyant matrix]

oh yeah hordes is also terrible for 32

[mossy shell]

And I have max rivals too, but I wanna see Chronos rival

Frenzy feels bad as well. Especially enemies that are already fast

A horde of enemies with armor in one small room is awful ngl

[tranquil wren]

frenzy for max rivals is too punishing imo, especially for a first max rivals clear

[humble urchin]

is your goal just to get the statue?

[dreamy forum]

i change my mind, ||anubis|| is actually quite good

[hard bane]

i’ve not reached the ending by probably a ok distance but is the enhancements they put in patch preview any good to make the ending not terrible

[pallid cradle]

This is what I did for most of my 32s in the underworld when I decided to do 24/24

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwxLDAsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

[verbal hinge]

is high surf passive?

[humble urchin]

yes

[tranquil wren]

most people agree the new ending is better

[mossy shell]

Yea, I just wanna unlock everything that I can

[hard bane]

is it still “bad” tho lol

[humble urchin]

then turn off frenzy and rivals 4(3 is fine)

you can do rivals chronos without other vows to see him/go against him

[tranquil wren]

no

[hard bane]

yippe

[tranquil wren]

ultimately that's a subjective opinion so you'll just have to see for yourself

[brave urchin]

The ending was never bad. It was just weirdly paced and rushed.

[covert badge]

i like it, it gives enough context so the ending doesnt feel rushed

[mossy shell]

Are they updating the ending or something?

[brave urchin]

Yepp. there is a beta you can play.

[hard bane]

yeah i should experience it for myself it was kinda stupid to ask lol

[tranquil wren]

read the #announcements post

[brave urchin]

There is a 3 hour video on youtube summerizing everything. Basically the ending without the runs.

[verbal hinge]

why people mad at the ending?

[median flax]

going into prometheus with 550 health

this feels very normal

[hard bane]

roguelikes the only genre im bad at, souls games easier than ts frfr

[brave urchin]

I am now 260 hours on Hades 2. I need a break. I enjoy watching lets plays of it now.

[tranquil wren]

will take too long to explain

[brave urchin]

[brave urchin]

I think there is different people with different reasons why.

[pallid cradle]

The ending and the epilogue were unsatisfying conclusions to the story imo.

[hard bane]

damn i only play for like 2 hours a day max cus of exams 🥀

[brave urchin]

well 180 hours of it were from Early Access. :p

[verbal hinge]

but like is it political or aesthetic or what

[tranquil wren]

wdym by political

[hard bane]

doesn’t the full game only add the true ending tho or am i dumb, i bought the game like a week ago so i’m curious

[pallid cradle]

"Death to Chronos"

||A bigger scam than a crypto rug pull||

[verbal hinge]

idk i saw people on facebook talking about mel having no "agency" in the game but zag got to make decisions

[mossy shell]

Switch/console players stay miserable IG lol

[brave urchin]

Give it some days.

[hard bane]

pc superiority realreal

[brave urchin]

The fact that Supergiant changing things AT ALL is a HUGE WIN!

[mossy shell]

Rushed and I can see that

[brave urchin]

No other game company would ever lol. Not post 1.0

[tranquil wren]

? this is a common feature in stories where the characters' goals are not always realised to what they initially believe. there is a metaphorical death to chronos rather than a purely literal one, and that makes for more engaging storytelling. imagine if all stories ended just how the characters describe it in the beginning

[pallid cradle]

Ironically that's actually correct. I think he ruined the old ending almost single handedly. I haven't seen the new one. I'll probably go watch it on YouTube or something.

[hard bane]

silksong got competition now

[little frost]

smh obviously it was going to mean ||"death to the idea of an evil chronos" || DUH

[verbal hinge]

ah that's fair

[mossy shell]

Some? 😔 it could be weeks lol. Look at TBoI lmao

[brave urchin]

It's just the story. You can still normally play the game lol

and if you wanna see the "new" version just go on youtube.

[mossy shell]

They are also buffing certain things

[buoyant matrix]

tboi is different because the publisher is just pathetic

[brave urchin]

Oh yeah. ARES is so goooood now.

[hard bane]

Dude i built a habit of avoiding contact damage for enemies from hollow knight and it really shows in hades 2

[devout cairn]

is the pick up range actually good now?

[brave urchin]

Not just the range, the plasma itself is better. I had +30% attack speed in bosses before.

[mossy shell]

Almost anything from PC to switch is pathetic. Almost. Then you have the few games that keep updated

[verbal hinge]

this is kinda what i don't get at all

it's a new generation thing, where gamers seem to care more about the story than about gameplay

[brave urchin]

Be happy you guys have it on Switch. Didn´t Hades 1 need a full year to be on Switch? 😄

[mossy shell]

Ive been waiting almost a year to get an update that PC has had on another game

[little frost]

ares is like overall okay now tbh instead of having half a set of boons that were just ass

[brave urchin]

Ares is great on axe.

[mossy shell]

I saw Ares and knew the beginning of my run was cooked

[little frost]

I don't really mind wounds but blades and drops still feel pretty bad relative to something like zeus existing

[covert badge]

which aspect?

[devout cairn]

i mean people will care about the story when it's one of the bigger appeals, supergiant isn't spending tons of resources onto voice acting and the dialogue system just for shiz and giggles

[tranquil wren]

^
if you're playing a game that focuses on its gameplay as much as its story but you're only focusing on side of it, you're missing out imo

[verbal hinge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Quest_(1985_video_game)

this is one of the most involved and difficult games i ever played it took ages to finish it there was so much to figure out

you know how it ends?

a blank screen with the words: GAME OVER. TREASURE FOUND.

that's it.

[tranquil wren]

okay?

[covert badge]

blitz has arc flash and double strike and both are tier 2
meanwhile cut above needs two duos (heph & apol) to do the same thing

[verbal hinge]

sure you can care about the story
and be disappointed in the ending
but to remake it is weird

personally i I think it's a nice enough story but i skip all the dialogue nobody got time for that i want to kill stuff

[tranquil wren]

we're not saying that games should ALWAYS have a story, but if you're playing a game that has its story as one of the main focuses, then ignoring it makes zero sense

[verbal hinge]

ori is the perfect blend of story and gameplay

[tranquil wren]

ori's story is really basic imo. each to their own

[pallid cradle]

Depends on the game honestly in most cases regardless of generation.

Personally, if it's a looter shooter or an ARPG (think Diablo) I couldn't care any less about the story.

There are games like anything Atlus makes or Hades where I do care about the story.

[verbal hinge]

i knew someone who didn't play frozen throne, but bought the books and read all the lore it was weird

[pallid cradle]

Diablo players were pissed Cain got killed by a butterfly. I said "haha, screen explode because character strong. I'm playing this game more"

[tranquil wren]

like if you don't think hollow knight or dark souls, both very challenging and fun to play games, don't have compelling stories, then I don't know what to tell you

[verbal hinge]

people say e33 should win goty because of story idk if that's really a consideration even