h2-discussion

[normal pine]

I've been super happy with the first 4 vow fights

[bitter ivy]

i could barely beat rival hecatate

[wary garnet]

scylla rival's music ❤️
althrough the fight is ||a bullet hell||

[waxen lake]

MY FAVORITE SONG OF HER

[normal pine]

I have found focusing tentacles to be easiest

[waxen lake]

STUCK!!! BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACEEEE

[wary garnet]

theres like 2 songs 😂

[waxen lake]

Sometimes I forgot to put my headphones during my runs...

[normal pine]

rival Hecate is weapon dependent for me. some weapons is ez money some is pain

[waxen lake]

I'll listen in Spotify then

[bitter ivy]

i love static shock with the blades

i just love the blades in general

[waxen lake]

Ur so cute, when did u started playing Hades 2?

[normal pine]

I don't understand how nyx coat works the description is confusing to me

i hit schelemeus with the dash and then fire omega special at him but it just looks normal to me

[waxen lake]

Like a shield

[nova oar]

Which part

[waxen lake]

Or wdym

[normal pine]

nyx aspect

like is it supposed to split my missiles?

i guess I can't seem to proc the night spawn on skelly

[bitter ivy]

that is kinda uncomfortable dont call me that pls

[normal pine]

i omega dash and hit him then get the glowy purple but then what

my missiles look normal

[hearty fog]

After the missiles hit a target they'll split.

[normal pine]

oh ok it's after hit

thank you

[cloud sedge]

the moments when the conversations play out of order can be really funny

[iron sonnet]

is beating every ||Chaos Trial|| required for every achievement?

[normal pine]

i made a new save file to avoid this but ended up progressing too quickly and see it anyway lol

[cloud sedge]

||asking nem how she gets past headmistress, who is always waiting at the edge of erebus, after her getting taken by chronos||

[normal pine]

there is an achievement for that blue

[teal turret]

How do you get the || denizens of the depths prophecy || ?

[iron sonnet]

okay thank you

[crude dragon]

It's basic Special that's doubled

[crude dragon]

No, but you need to beat a lot of them to get Great Chaos trials, and subsequently the Improbable Outcomes Prophecy and achievement

[astral lichen]

the only thing i think i have left to do is buy every single song for the bard

i loved this game

[glad lake]

How the HELL do you make use of Supay

I am absolutely clueless

[thin laurel]

easy mode for supay imo is scorch on your specials
you can also lean heavily into dash related stuff, notably the zeus + aphrodite duo

[gleaming parrot]

Supay is pretty broken. You keep your attack and special omegas active, then focus more on casts, hex, and sprint

[glad lake]

hmmmmm, so just grab a good attack and special and focus on others

[compact wharf]

poseidon dash and thats it

[thin laurel]

in EA people were calling it the vampire survivors aspect, which is more or less true, you focus a lot on running around and dodging while your attack and special passively deal damage.
you can lean into Ω attacks and specials if you want too

[glad lake]

I guess I'll try it tomorrow

[gleaming parrot]

Magick regen is most important imo. Without magic to do omegas, you're pretty nerfed

[glad lake]

I mean Heph's infinite magic regen boon always works

[errant hill]

so funny enough I just finished a Run with Supay. And since I was too lazy to run and dodge I just stood there taking it on the chin :P

[compact wharf]

heph gain is awful what use either tranquil or born gain if ur gonna do a magik base build with it

[glad lake]

I like the take damage get magic one

[gleaming parrot]

Turn to a Simple Form and Explosive Intent work on Supay, and are wild

[glad lake]

but again Apollo's cast-gain is fun too

[compact wharf]

are you two EA players

[gleaming parrot]

Now that you no longer need to be in the cast, they are

[glad lake]

like day 1

[gleaming parrot]

Supay is still good post 1.0 if that's what you're implying

[compact wharf]

ofc not ive done like 3 supay runs already and all feel good

[gleaming parrot]

Not as good as it once was, but still very good

[thin laurel]

heph gain is like....... okay I guess? but I hate it for actual magick regen
the fact that if you play too well you no longer get magick makes me never want to rely on it for that. bricking my build because I dodged too well feels awful

[compact wharf]

having to take dmg and lowkey almost die just do have a shot at winning is horrible idk how yall do that

[merry whale]

i only really get tough gain if i'm playing a magickless build, tho i hear it's also good on nergal

[gleaming parrot]

With Heph you likely have armor anyway

[compact wharf]

supay omega only is also like really weird to me i normally just get breaker and kill everything?

[thin laurel]

if you're leaning entirely into damage resistance and healing then I guess you can intentionally get hit, but there are a lot of good gains in the game and heph's is probably at the bottom of my list for magick builds.
for non-magick builds it's still below aphrodite's, but it's decent there

[gleaming parrot]

Or things like Wolf Howl for temp armor, and it's fine

[compact wharf]

trusty shield is like what 25 armor at epic
chronos does 19 dmg per scythe move

[gleaming parrot]

Not every room is Chronos, lol

[compact wharf]

but why do that when you can get born gain and have effectively infinite magik/tranquil and stand still for 1.5 seconds to get full magik

[rough echo]

5 times I failed to beat chronos omfg his first phase is annoying af

[gleaming parrot]

Sure.

[compact wharf]

chronos is the last boss and ur doing a magik build though

[thin laurel]

it's not my prefered way to play supay but it can be fun 🤷
I believe the night arcana buff will also last for your entire Ω attack and Ω spec, like Eos, which can make it feel pretty strong

[gleaming parrot]

I didn't say Heph gain was good. I just gave a plausible use for it

[compact wharf]

im sure its fun and good but i wouldnt reccomend it to someone trying supay for the first time

[thin laurel]

oh yeah not for the first time lol.
for the second or third maybe tho, it's pretty solid. but I'd get used to the dashing stuff first

[rough echo]

Should I grind the surface first to get bronze to unlock aspects or should I just go for chronos first?

[compact wharf]

get surface materials makes the game a lot funner if you have options to try out new weapons

most aspects make the game way easier and more enjoyable

a lot of them have wildly different playstyles as well

[gleaming parrot]

I don't see why/how sprint-only is a better recommendation to a new Supay player

[compact wharf]

bc breaker does 200 dmg in room 1 assuming you got it at epic/heroic

its just way way easier

[gleaming parrot]

And it procs once per sprint, instead of just using all mechanics you have including omegas

[compact wharf]

i personally like doing falling blades with supay alot, its not very optimal infact it kinda sucks so i wouldnt reccomend it to a first timer to the aspect

[compact wharf]

you could just dash again its not like sprinting has a huge cooldown

• you can get stutterstep if it really bothers you, i got a 11 minute underworld run with it like an hour ago its not slow at all

[gleaming parrot]

Or you could just sprint while having your omegas active and do both🤷‍♂️

[compact wharf]

you could yea thats an option nobody is forcing you to do sprint only
prioritizing sprint over everything else is way more optimal however

[quartz hawk]

is there a use for eris's garbage?

[compact wharf]

selling for prestige at broker

or not prestige kudos forgot they changed the name

[compact wharf]

on the run i just did i got hitch attacks and zeus specials with a beefy breaker rush, would do like 700 dmg per dash if you include blitz dmg

[wind nebula]

I'm not sure if night works for the entire o attack for supay

[quartz hawk]

ty

[wind nebula]

I know it doesn't work that way for the other torches other than eos daybreaker

[jolly wing]

Does Hephaestus automatically appear first on Night 7?

[compact wharf]

dont quote me on this but the new incantation "greater removal of garbage" might require some, it just lets you pick up eris trash easier

[rough horizon]

Is there any secret to getting the two alternate wardens in ephyra and thessaly? I know they're there because of the prophecy, but that's it

[compact wharf]

the boar in ephyra is on the right side always

and incase you didnt know miniboss rooms always have like a skull under it

[thin laurel]

I may be wrong? ig it's easy enough to test.
but it seems like it should work the same, since the way it channels is p much identical to Eos

[wind nebula]

Yeah it might do but honestly even then I don't really like night

[compact wharf]

you can easily check the ephyra rooms on the right side to see if theres a mini boss, if not die/give up and salute the oath if you have that incantation

for thessally you just gotta get lucky

[rough horizon]

Ok; they didn't exist back when I played in Early Access, and since they just aren't showing up, I was beginning to think there may have been something else, but thanks. Now that I think about it, the Satyr warden is always on the left, so I guess these are easy to distinguish.

[compact wharf]

glad i can help

[quartz hawk]

"quickening of sentimental value" is so funny

[broken raven]

Real ones know demeter sprint is where its at for supay

[wise ledge]

Do I have to complete all chaos trials to get chaos above and below trials?

[compact wharf]

is that actually good

[tranquil wren]

I think so

[wise ledge]

Pain

[teal turret]

Is it possible to level up Athena by summoning her with her keepsake

[broken raven]

Ye I think so the % rush boon dmg text is a bait the really good thing is that your wep fires while you run around so having a cyclone up all the time is v good offensively and defensively

And theres a few diff ways to build off of that

[compact wharf]

aight ima try that out

[compact wharf]

wym level up? you mean gift her? if so yea

[broken raven]

Yes

It also advances her dialogue afaik

[teal turret]

Yeah I’m at the last part waiting to be allowed to gift ambrosia

[broken raven]

She wont show unless ur out of dds tho so keep that in mind

[compact wharf]

or just use strength

[void dove]

For the Fates' Find Us quest, am I supposed to die during the third activation, or should I survive it and then die after?

[teal turret]

Survive three times then die so 3 and fourth room

[void dove]

rip I've done that twice now and it hasn't worked

[teal turret]

Are you in Oceanus

[void dove]

Yes -- might not have been a fourth room though

[broken raven]

4 consecutive rooms

Turn on Vow of Time so you can trigger it even in free rooms

[teal turret]

Yeah gotta make sure it’s back to back

[wise ledge]

I think when I did that I failed on the third room, died, and it actually triggered

[quartz hawk]

i HATE that when chronos sends you to asphodel it forces you to take a boon for a god you don't want afterwards

[worldly wadi]

How do I unlock the incantation for the || bath ||? I've already gifted Moros + others

[wise ledge]

I finally passed the trial of daemon, the one with supay. That trial took me longer than literally any other. Antler helped immensely lol. Cleared first try after taking it

Still no chaos above or below though. I guess I need a keepsake from ||Zag|| still. I should've finished all the trials during EA... T_T

[compact wharf]

what the hell does proclaiming the thing at the shade with prestige do

[cloud sedge]

did the trials get harder?

[light pawn]

I neeeed help how do I unlock the Denizens of the Depths profecy, just 5 achievements left and i need it

[light pawn]

kinda, just wait until you unlock great chaos above

[cloud sedge]

i mean i saw those before 1.0, i dont remember if i did them

[modern blade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420222969950507018/1423083872450515095/image.png?ex=68df05a2&is=68ddb422&hm=8bd4fe0594a88045c581ce1c03710d3f849f6f007b90e22fb7989184a4df8506&

where did this come from?

[cloud sedge]

looks like dad buff

the one that heals from doing damage?

[light pawn]

nvm just unlock it and automatically completed it lol

[modern blade]

yes, but i just started a run with it for some reason

[cloud sedge]

no idea

[light pawn]

Hades keepsake?

[modern blade]

yes

[light pawn]

that's the reason

[modern blade]

it doesnt mention that, weird

oh no, it does my bad

i misread it

[fair void]

do i keep giving nectar to hypnos? first time i gave him one, i got nothing in return

[light pawn]

no lmao, wait till the endgame

[modern blade]

i dont think you can give him more

[jolly wing]

I'm trying to unlock Bones of Ashen Memories of Life, Arcane Wisdom, and Nectar of Godly Savor incantations. How do I gather Psyche fast? Information on hades fandom wiki has 2,500 lifetime total psyche.

[fair void]

damn. alright

[hearty bridge]

what does the "rank" that the bartender gives you in exchange of materials?

[fair void]

i can, just had the option to

[light pawn]

tbh just try to grind for other stuff, the less you think about it, the more you will have, also if you have frinos that's gonna help you a lot

[empty cedar]

is there any reason to try to win with an aspect you don't like?

[crude minnow]

unless theire is a fate for it no

[light pawn]

achievements

[fair void]

erm wheres the boon guide book

like you can see which gods gave which boons in hades 1

[long goblet]

Is it worth restarting for the full release?

[crude minnow]

I did but its a lot of time and effort

[long goblet]

Also, is there anywhere I can find images for the magick symbols? Ive looked everywhere

[fair void]

theres no option in the codex, do i gotta unlock an upgrade or something?

[crude minnow]

|| you have to play and unlock it ||

[fair void]

ah got it

[crude minnow]

it can take a while but maybe google the reqs

[fair void]

just did, apparently you gotta unlock get a keepsake from every god

dont know why john supergiant would lock such a QOL feature for late game

well not really late game but man i still dont have it after 15 hours

[crude minnow]

okay I remember, I think || you need the main gods only so its like 6-7||

[fair void]

oh

erm maybe its not john supergiants fault, my bad

[crude minnow]

okay its not all but its most || Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, Demeter, Apollo, Aphrodite, Hephaestus, Hestia, Artemis, Hermes, Chaos ||

[fair void]

demeter, hestia, zues, poseidon, hera, apollo and aphrodite

[crude minnow]

but to be fair you see them all pretty much every other run

[fair void]

ah only need heph

[fair void]

still should be available from start but its not bad as i thought

thanks esg

[crude minnow]

yes I forgot and it took me a while on my new run and its annoying not having it

[fair void]

cuz like, new casual players would forget to gift to some gods even though they appear often

[fair void]

mhm

[dense timber]

I just started to play the game but I see many negative reviews criticizing the ending... Without spoiling, is the ending that bad, or is there a true ending like in hades 1 and negative reviewers somehow missed it?

[rare umbra]

does anyone have a list of the taverna ranks and their costs? seems impossible to find online lol

[crude minnow]

dont worry you will get like 50+ runs at least before you are anywhere near the ending if your new

[fair void]

got no idea since im kinda new but as long as its something wholesome, it should be worthwhile

whole game, camp and even the mc a lot of the times is gloomy, have to end on a good note

[dense timber]

I know that, I played hades 1, I just wanted to know if the ending is that awful

[rare umbra]

i can see why people might not have liked the ending but i did like it! if you are playing purely for story it's possible you might not find it satisfying, but the gameplay is not an issue :)

[crude minnow]

I mean I was hoping for more, but also I havent 100% the game yet so might be more endings like hades. its not up to par with the rest of the game

[crude dragon]

Every one up to Hera now

[fair void]

uh what do yall mean more endings like hades. there was one ending with in the blood playing and the epilogue which was 2 slideshows

is there more

[crude dragon]

||Even the epilogue is Like That||

[fair void]

Mm. forgot to gift heph

[wooden basin]

Hey, how do i play Supay again?
what gimmick im supposed to do, or builds, or hammers or stuff

[devout abyss]

on hit effects

scorch is really good

hitch is good on all torch specials

[crude minnow]

i only used it once, but yes on hit effects like blitz and scorch are prob good

[deft wyvern]

Breaker rush with beach ball is fun

[devout abyss]

beach ball unfortunately isnt boosted anymore

[quartz hawk]

bruh i just died to prometheus for the first time, I've literally never had problems beating him, and i had a crazy build I'm actually so sad

[crude minnow]

happens

[wise torrent]

||bruh kronos imitates the gods when you use a godsent hex during typhon fight? is that new?||

[knotty moon]

How do I get the secret boss keepsake?

[unkempt zodiac]

From what I've heard just fight them more

[knotty moon]

Ah, ok, I never had a chance to give a gift

[cosmic swift]

sup

[knotty moon]

And another question! How do I complete the quest to encounter the fates? Do I just have to keep doing runs until ||chronos and hermes|| give me the conversation? I already made 8 runs after first end

[crude minnow]

end game spoilers || can you only get the arena fight in mid shops? ||

[compact wharf]

end game spoilers ||why is nice chronos built like a twink ||

[prisma mesa]

Hypnos spoilers ||dude that entire interaction plus the sprite is so disappointing I feel it soured the whole game for me. i wish i didn't feel like that but my god he was my favourite in hades 1 and seeing him here? wow ok. im in pain. is that it do we just never see him again. what. what... wtf were the nectars i gave him for . what is this||

[meager garden]

lol
lmao even

[prisma mesa]

||dude unironically my entire day was ruined. like i understand its just 5 pixels on a screen but my heart is broken bro||

[warm oxide]

I have a question about resources, and the broker. It's not very spoilery but still: ||Can I absolutely trust that any resources without the 'neede dresource' tag are free to recycle? They aren't needed for decorations, incantations, aspects, or other upgrades?||

[meager garden]

yup

[tiny apex]

how important is it to complete the chaos trials?

[meager garden]

you get stardust from it, which isn't that useful, if I recall correctly, but can help with making some recipes like shadow
It's also a good way to quickly pass time to raise relationships

[crude minnow]

on the contrary you need to do at least a few for the mats, unless you want to grind much longer for relationship items

[wooden basin]

just got posseidon and apollo legendaries on my supay run 😭
this run is already finished ig

[toxic beacon]

So i heard that the new vibrance enhancement for the portraits whitewashes Selene what y'all know or think about that

[meager garden]

it does kinda make her look weird idk

[meager garden]

oh wait very you need stardust for pet treats

[gleaming parrot]

You can buy or create it in the Cauldron too

[patent jay]

Is there some condition I need to meet before I can gift to Echo? I've completed the game and acquired all keepsakes except for the 3 new ones and Echo's and it's never given me the prompt to gift to her.

nevermind I go tit

[uncut glacier]

You have to gift her after her dialogue because her dialogue depends on what Mel says.

[meager garden]

only after conversations
this is because of her gimmick

[patent jay]

Wow I'm a dumbo

[nova oar]

If I had a nickle...

[patent jay]

Literally have 130 hours in this game and never saw it

[crude dragon]

Yep

[dull spindle]

Do you guys think they will put in an option to do instrumental only on the ||sirens boss?||

[near fiber]

does anyone know how to get the achievement that requires you to get the rest of the achievements? sounds dumb I know but I got everything else and still havent gotten the last one

[crude dragon]

Stardust is used for pet cookies

[dense pike]

Keepsake spoilers ||for Hades/Persephone and Zagreus keepsakes, apparantly I can still rarify and have levelled up boons even after it's nor equipped anymore? just as long as I still follow the Fates' Whim? do I have that right?||

[nova oar]

some of the achievments can trigger but be revereted by undoing the night

like purchasing ||familiar outfits||

[near fiber]

ahh i see, thank you

[limber ice]

i did it guys i beat hades 2

[meager garden]

cool

if you don't like the ending h2-story-discussion is for venting

[jolly wing]

I just unlocked Consecration of Ashes incantion on Night 7! Night 8 and later will be much easier.

[maiden dagger]

I hear people say ares is kinda bad, is that true

[crude dragon]

His main saving grace is his minicrits

Past that, a lot of what he has to offer is pretty poor compared to the other gods

[maiden dagger]

That's sad, cuz he's the one with the coolest effects

[crude dragon]

Yeah, the fact that he kept getting hit with nerfs after release is pretty disappointing

[nova oar]

one of my favourite gods when he launched and then fell off so hard

[dense pike]

really? I thought his boons were pretty cool...

[crude dragon]

They're cool, but they're not strong

[dense pike]

oh

[fair void]

||jesus christ, that olympus final boss was nuts ||

[crude dragon]

Congrats on beating the hardest boss in the game ||before Vow of Rivals||

[uncut glacier]

Ares is alright but I can't think of any good secondaries he has. His mana gain kinda sucks, his cast is alright, maybe his Omega is fine...

[crude dragon]

His only good secondary is Grievous Blow

And also Mutual Destruction, but to a lesser extent since you need to be missing HP

[uncut glacier]

Yeah, Grievous Blow is good. It's just that anything with Plasma isn't really exciting because it'll give you like... 10% attack speed when you're already halfway through clearing a room.

[light thicket]

what exactly is "master enought nocturnal arms" to skelly? should i unlock more aspects or upgrade what i have?

[lapis sorrel]

it carries through rooms (iirc?) so if you get the reward and leave quickly it continues being good

[crude dragon]

Upgrade more

[uncut glacier]

I don't think it carries through rooms, you might be thinking of the boon that lets you carry over 20% of the bonus between rooms

[crude dragon]

It doesn't carry between rooms, not without the Hera duo (which only carries 20% between rooms)

Not 20% of the total, 20%

[lapis sorrel]

oh buns

[fair void]

i havent, i got squashed

excited to see what this vow is though

[cosmic swift]

alright outside of hades rly quick. is silksong a masterpeice i should buy. Inside of hades ||SO for credits to roll i have to kill typon how many times||

[uncut glacier]

if the plasma got pulled in automatically (so make his legendary innate) he might be good tbh

[nova oar]

4/5

[cosmic swift]

thx

[limber ice]

what does moros's pin do? isnt it the same as skelly?

[light thicket]

strange, i've like 6-7 aspects maxed out, but missing 2 aspects

[idle crater]

its reusable, but its less good than a regular death defiance

[uncut glacier]

Moros's pin is reusable in every room - when you die, you have 10 seconds to clear the room or you die for real. Skelly's is a 1-time DD.

[limber ice]

oh

[fair void]

||unlocked fear some time ago and thinking of turning it on, any easy ones to take that doesnt make the gameplay too hard? or should i wait to turn it on till i beat typhon?||

[limber ice]

so, hades 3 when?

[lapis sorrel]

i want a new supergiant game that isn't hades at this point 😭

[limber ice]

im hoping for something like hades but with different mythology, like viking gods

[dull spindle]

Hades is their golden goose we getting another one

[fair void]

they can revist the franchise later but something new would be sweet

[limber ice]

unless that exists already xd

[uncut glacier]

|| The Fear for making enemies from the next region isn't too hard IMO, a level of Scars (reduce healing), the one that primes your magick if you're not using Omegas, a level of the Debt one... ||

[lapis sorrel]

that's fair but supergiant has too much talent to keep making the same type of game over and over again. gimme something different!!

[limber ice]

true

[lapis sorrel]

at some point when you make the same game repeatedly you have to change stuff to keep it unique from everything else... which ends up changing what was good for the sake of being unique........ which is bad

[limber ice]

five nights at freddys

[fair void]

uh whats the first one called?

[dull spindle]

I don’t think i have played their other games

[shell gazelle]

|| After Melinoe picks up the spear from the side of the bed, and is then instructed to do a run on the surface, can I choose any weapon to do this run? Because I can't see the spear ||

[jolly wing]

How useful is Demeter's Steady Growth boon for Hephaestus Attack and Special? It apperead in Oceanus

[lapis sorrel]

yes, ||the spear is an incantation recipe||

[fair void]

oh vow of menace

[maiden dagger]

What's the best attack for moros flames? Hera?

Can't really think of anything else

[fair void]

i did hestia and it was sweet

[lapis sorrel]

you should play bastion

[nova oar]

aphro zeus

[upper rover]

WAIT WHAT IS THIS A SECRET BOSS
||How do I find the Zag bossfight again?? Is it random||

[nova oar]

||40% chance to spawn in a midshop in regions 1/2 of underworld or 2/3 of the surface||

[upper rover]

ig this is after beating the game
didn't get it before

[nova oar]

yes

[dense pike]

how do I max my bond with ||Hephaestus? it says I need to upgrade my nocturnal arms but I have maxed all of them already||

[upper rover]

Also ||extreme measures Hades ost is my favorite from the first game||, so glad they put it here

[nova oar]

do u have the hidden ones

[jaunty arch]

Heavy spoiler ||I think the game's ending could've been WAYYY better if we get all the flashbacks and then it's revealed chronos was stabbed by Zagreus anyways and he's just imagining it, cuz like, I want to kill the bastard even if he's very cute with young Melinoe wait nvm nothing has changed||

[dense pike]

||yes, maxed all of them too||

[dense pike]

talk about it in #h2-story-discussion

[jolly wing]

If I recenting unlocked flourishing soil, what gifts are the most important from Narciscus? I'm on night 7.

[vital hollow]

I had the same problem, just keep talking to him, eventually Heph will mention it

[dense pike]

thanks, I'll try that and get a few more runs

[jolly wing]

I'm thinking Verdure Sampler for +3 Nightshade. I don't need Silver anymore.

[crude dragon]

Precious Metals

You need so much silver for Mel aspect upgrades

[jolly wing]

I already have 14 Silvers and I'm on Night 7 (unlocked axe, umbral flames, sister knives). I can unlock a lot with Nightshades now. I'm nowhere near 5 Coppers for weapons incantation.

[bleak crystal]

uh i just googled how to find all the hidden aspects. i have a level 5 of the torches and moros and eos why won't moros tell me the thingy?

[empty cedar]

you can't see all upgrades yet. you do need a lot more silver, but as long as you're always unlocking things you're fine

[crude dragon]

Because Moros can't be the first one

Also, rank 5 Mel torch no longer counts

Has to be Eos or Moros now

[bleak crystal]

i have already unlocked the axe the daggers and the staff and the mantle

[bleak crystal]

oh thats mean

[maiden dagger]

the requirements are to have all aspects unlocked, then just exhaust the named bearer's dialogue

[bleak crystal]

#h2-discussion message

[maiden dagger]

I didn't have any of the xinth aspects maxed, all I did was unlock all 3 and I got the dialogue for unlocking the hidden

[bleak crystal]

i didnt

[crude dragon]

Wait is it "have 5 Nightmare total invested in the weapon" now

[maiden dagger]

Might be, idk

[bleak crystal]

oh ok

[crude dragon]

What are the ranks on your coats

[maiden dagger]

Now they're mostly maxed, but I remember only having them at 4 at most

[bleak crystal]

but i did have mel maxed and eos uuuuh maybe eos 1 so it didnt have nightmare.

[crude dragon]

That might be it, that they changed it to be like Hades 1 and need 5 Nightmare in the weapon

[nova oar]

that would make so much sense

[maiden dagger]

But I did need to have all aspects unlocked

[nova oar]

yes

[bleak crystal]

all unlocked and 5 invested mhm mhm 🤔

[lone idol]

How does the pacts target mechanic work? If it’s a target I don’t want, how can I change it, other than clearing it?

[wheat rain]

does the night arcana that gives crit on Omega combos work on torches ?

[meager garden]

you have to clear it
Every weapon has a set order, going through all 8 bosses, with the final 2 always being the final bosses
In total there are 48 fear bounties you can do for nightmare, going from 1 to 20 fear

[maiden dagger]

No

[wheat rain]

what does count as an omega combo then

[maiden dagger]

it used to be a continuous omega, but now it's an omega every few attacks

[meager garden]

omega combo is just never repeating an omega back to back

[maiden dagger]

Which breaks the combo. To do the combo you need to never repeat the same omega

[meager garden]

You can do Oattack -> Ospecial -> Oattack and it'll be a combo

but if you ever do Oatk -> Oatk, combo is broken until you do a different one again

It's especially bad for torches because you'll shoot omega attack every couple seconds, which will break the combo

[wheat rain]

thought it worked for them 😭 aight time to take it off

[meager garden]

used to

[ivory silo]

When is bewitching eyes coming to spotify I neeeed

[hard jay]

Why did they have to buff Hera sprint, there’s basically no run in the game where you don’t want her because she has:

the best magick regen in the game

One of the best rush boons in the game for origination

Extended family is really nice for any build that uses olymipan damage (which is like 75% of the runs in the game)

Bridal glow is nice to slap onto any build

And a few other boons you can just throw onto any build

[merry whale]

hera sprint was dogwater

[hard jay]

I’m lowkey considering Hera to be the best god in the game simply due to the fact that there aren’t many runs where you don’t want her

[maiden dagger]

hera rush is kinda sad for bosses tho

I wish it would apply for bosses every few seconds or something

[hard jay]

It’s good for origination

[nova oar]

Zeus better

[maiden dagger]

Zeus is the best offensive god, hera is the best all rounder

[wheat rain]

I use hestia magick regen boon, bis for torches 🙏 all hail hestia

[maiden dagger]

Zeus blitz is almost never bad, but hera has Extended Family, Bridal Glow, Born Gain, Uncommon Grace, Proper Upbringing, All Together and fuels up King's ramson

[hard jay]

The main purpose of a rush boon is for origination because 50% global damage will pop off more than something like Zeus rush on a regular build

[astral turret]

finally got the last weapon is it any good

[maiden dagger]

(or supay)

[maiden dagger]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

-# no, it's...it's bad it's really bad

[nova oar]

not really

[little mason]

Best wep is mel axe

[maiden dagger]

coat was already the weakest weapon and they went and nerfed selene 😭

[hard jay]

Hera definitely isn’t the best god if you want a run centering around her (Zeus and heph definitely have higher dps caps) but she’s a god you almost always want to have in a build

[little mason]

It was to op

[meager garden]

oh it's not that bad, I think they're all better than pan

[maiden dagger]

Was it? I used it on early access and it was okay at best

[nova oar]

h u h

[astral turret]

ah well i thought it would be good to clear the other map since i only got to beating eris

[maiden dagger]

Remember, Medea exists

[main sapphire]

i seem to just get bad rng with ||scyllas songs? i just get claw your eyes out ALL the time, ive heard 2 others? once? at thats it 🙁 ||

[little mason]

50 atk power 🤓and health

[unborn bramble]

Give it a shot even if it isnt that strong you might like it who knows

[maiden dagger]

Pan is good tho. It's not as crazy as it was, but try it with other on-hit effects. It's gud

[little mason]

Never heard em I kill them to fast

[nova oar]

ok buddy

[nova oar]

yeah still a very solid weapon to run you just cant absolutely break it with hammers anymore

[dark plume]

i cant seem to unlock "attending a faithful beast" in the cauldron, its just doesnt show up. i already have 3 familiars so idk whats the problem. any tips?

[little mason]

💵 here's one

[light thicket]

there's anyway to play the ||zagreus battle ost|| in the music maker? i couldnt find it

[vale solar]

Anyone else enjoying the chaos trials !? With nursing school keeping me busy i love just going in for a bite size run!

[tulip comet]

Yeah I do them and buy nectar every time

[cold wasp]

how is artemis' Death Warrant not terrible? is this boon actually any good?

[marsh gulch]

finally got through a surface run without using a death defiance lets gooo

[spare tinsel]

sounds like the perfect time to switch over to using Strength for the extra damage :)

[thin laurel]

truly idk, I never use it. I feel like it was better in hades 1 but I may be sleeping on it

would love to hear if anyone has a different opinion

[marsh gulch]

ooooo i do like seeing high damage number

[cold wasp]

14 seconds for a 30% chance to crit on one enemy wowwww

[thin laurel]

but compared to pressure points and the ones that give a specific ability a crit buff it sounds so… meh

[cedar ledge]

I’m not sure if it’s a weird glitch. But ive gotten it to apply to several enemies before

[thin laurel]

ig in theory the heph poseidon duo makes it happen more often, but that’s so much investment for what…

[thin laurel]

is it the thing where if you crit against a marked enemy then a nearby enemy is marked, like h1?

doesn’t make it better for bosses or some multiwave stuff but

[spare tinsel]

Strength is just so good for so many reasons. the damage reduction is great, very comparable to the DD's, makes heaaling way more valuable, the extra damage is so good for the early game. and the real true benefit of it is that you have the freedom to summon Athena with her keepsake whenever you want to rather than waiting to run out of DD's

[cedar ledge]

I have no clue, I was spamming Axe omega specials, with like 60% crit chance and noticed like 3 enemies had the mark

[spare tinsel]

one big downside to strength though, cant play with the kitty cat :(

[sharp void]

is there any way to alter the God Mode resistance?

[meager garden]

should be, in the settings

[spare tinsel]

you can limit the maximum restiance it gives in the settings right below ehere you enable it

[sharp void]

Ahh okay

[limber ice]

chat ||how do we get soot||

[spare tinsel]

||post game - talk with hades a few times||

[slow plinth]

It's crazy how surface +12 fear feels 3x harder then +16 underworld

[vague iris]

||why does your dad give you soot anyway||

[devout abyss]

dirty old guy

[spare tinsel]

genuinely no idea, he just says "ill do my part" and then randomly gives it to you for no reason. Mel didnt event ask, and why would he even give that to you, like why doesnt mel just go "wtf why are you handing me a fistful of pocket lint"

[unborn lodge]

Atleast knew this by having the 3rd challenge thing require less fear for surface

[patent thistle]

how do i upgrade animal familiars now? i remember in the beta before, you could do it by just going up to an animal youve already unlocked.

[meager garden]

you need to unlock it after 4 familiars now, i think

[patent thistle]

ah ok thanks

[maiden dagger]

Nothing brings me further pain than going into a family dispute on autopilot and having to sacrifice the one boon that's carrying my run

[meager garden]

rip

[atomic heron]

"moonlight guide us"
"to where?"

"based"
"based on what?"

[maiden dagger]

Nevermind, saved because of the perfectoinist mod

[winter grail]

Helloooo, hey does anyone know when we might get the soundtrack on Apple Music??

[charred saffron]

I made it to the top of Olympus. Again.you must be jokingn

I thought ||Charybis|| was a boss boss not an optional boss. wtf is that thing

[sharp void]

lol same, knowing ||scylla|| was the main underground 2nd boss, I wouldve thought ||charybdis|| is equivalent to the 2nd surface boss

[misty isle]

||CIRCE WHERE TF ARE YOU||, i need to complete that stupid prophecy to finish the achievements

[charred saffron]

Right. I literally lose all of my death defiances to ||promethus|| so I can’t even hope to win. Maybe it’s cause I don’t pay attention but ||Typhon|| wasn’t even hinted at until RIGHT before

||Circe|| can get it . Not relevanr but

[astral turret]

what aspect of weapons should i get first

[hearty fog]

Your favorite weapon.

[astral turret]

how many familiars are there i only got two atm

[misty isle]

||5||

[deft agate]

Does anyone know the amount of vows you have to take to reveal the second gift of the veil?

[deft agate]

There are 5!

[astral turret]

where do i get the other ones

[misty isle]

nope, there arent 120 ones of them

[misty isle]

each have a location where you need to yap twice to get them

[wooden basin]

surface runs, and quest with hecate

[misty isle]

and the safe spot on erebus

[hidden sierra]

Oceanus miniboss spoilers
||THE RAT TERRIFIES ME IT LITERALLY SPIKES MY HEARTRATE||

[misty isle]

oh no

i mean i love that bastard

[astral turret]

oh thanks gonna try and get them all

[wooden basin]

not a spoiler, it was there b4 1.0
and it was there in hades 1 as well

[deft agate]

Lmao, I laughed so hard because he was in the last game

[hidden sierra]

Not like a phobia or anything, but in pure fear of my run ending
Oh
i must have played EA before he was added

[misty isle]

mofo just dont want to die at all

[deft agate]

I hate those little pot guys omg i was not happy to see them again

[meager garden]

uh oh

[hidden sierra]

Yeah little vermin returning made me laugh so hard, but he feels way more of a threat this time around, maybe cause of zone 2 instead of 4?

[deft agate]

Im just grateful to fight him without the risk of poison

[misty isle]

on point

[meager garden]

yeah good thing poison isn't in this game at all

[misty isle]

uh, i got a bad news for ya

[deft agate]

yeeaaahhhhh about thattt

[meager garden]

my goth mommy would never

[deft agate]

I love her so much im ngl

her voice actress is amazing

[meager garden]

she's a mood

[maiden dagger]

Whoever designed rivals 4 underworld, screw you. But also good job

[misty isle]

come on, the music is 10/10

[maiden dagger]

The job was to absolutely destroy me at every opportunity and it succeeds every time

[stoic bison]

who do i need to bring the knuckle bones to to deepen odysseus' trust? i've done polyphemus but im not sure who else

[meager garden]

should be circe?

[stoic bison]

AYE AYE CAPN

[misty isle]

just need to bring once to complete one prophecy, then it is killing cyclops and talking to him until unlock the unfinished business

then it is circe,polyamorous and scylla

[meager garden]

good freudian slip there

[stoic bison]

"polyamorous" 😭

[hybrid birch]

Heya. Should I avoid this chat if I’m still working through the game,

[hearty fog]

Yes.

[stoic bison]

if you havent hit the ending yea

[meager garden]

depends on your tolerance for spoilers, but probably

this is mostly for new players begging for advice, or people complaining that they liked the story and everyone in h2-story-discussion is so negative all the time

[hybrid birch]

I beat chronos once so probably should avoid

[stoic bison]

yes

[heavy island]

how do i unlock more rivals fights? || i only have the first two guardians right now ||

[hybrid birch]

Put like….1000 hours into the first one though

[meager garden]

beat both

[misty isle]

gotta complete both

[meager garden]

credits is after doing both sides like 6 times, enjoy

[hybrid birch]

Thanks friend, you have a very saucy face

[heavy island]

|| by both you mean beat both a surface and underworld run with rivals maxed out? ||

[meager garden]

you need rivals enabled, yes

[hot igloo]

Anyone got tips for high heat Rival fight 2nd bosses in ||surface|| ? I recently did a 40 fear runs and the most struggle i had was with that boss. Not that she's hard but she keep flying up/being invul when hitting certain HP threshold that my timer almost runs out

[hybrid birch]

I’m surprised and sad there aren’t more people talking about this hand or more channels

[meager garden]

yes she is very annoying

[hybrid birch]

This game * lol

[meager garden]

there's like 4 channels that are decently busy

(if you want people talking about the game, uhhhhhh. #h2-story-discussion is over there)

[deft agate]

During Ea every channel was suuuper busy but its slowed a bit. Its still very consistent

[hybrid birch]

Sorry for coming when the game fully launched, damn

[indigo tinsel]

So, Circe ||won't take gifts until my grasp of the Arcana is complete. They're all maxed out... do I just need to talk to her more?||

[meager garden]

dw right now is like, all time player count highs, the game is very popular

[coral pewter]

CN someone PLEASE explain to me how to access OLYMPIAN HEXES?!?

[meager garden]

get a hex
get the corresponding god/keepsake(every hex has a matching one)
upgrade your hex hella

[deft agate]

The godsent hexes?

[coral pewter]

Oh so I have to have a keepsake equipped?

[meager garden]

you could, or just get a boon from that god

[nova oar]

And remember that ares is tied to selene

[meager garden]

Example: Moonwater's godsent is poseidon. You need to get a poseidon boon, or equip his keepsake. Then his godsent will pop up as an upgrade.

[deft agate]

This, also for the Ares one you need the aspect of Selene for Xinth and then have an Ares boon or his keepsake. That kept me from fulfilling the prophesy for a while lol

[coral pewter]

So you have to get a hex first?

[idle crater]

it can be either way

[coral pewter]

Does the upgrade appear in the Hex upgrade tree?

[meager garden]

yeah, should be the glowy one at the end

you might wanna lookup which god is your hex's godsent tho

[coral pewter]

Hmmm I’ve done like 100 plus runs and I haven’t seen anything like this

[nova oar]

It'll be duo boon coloured

[vapid igloo]

At this rate in going to chain Promethius and and eat his liver myself

[nova oar]

Wat

[idle crater]

make sure to deepfry it properly, tastes better

[hybrid birch]

Also add some salt

[nova oar]

Careful tho you might od on vitamin A

[covert badge]

man i dont like any of weapon guide page

[meager garden]

"I want to eat your pancreas liver"

[covert badge]

the build they suggest is so narrow minded its crazy

[nova oar]

Which one?

[empty abyss]

dont needa spoil mark. Its pretty universal that there are 4 bosses in a hades run

[covert badge]

bro be like circe = ranged cast asap like bruh

[meager garden]

bruh

I can sorta see the argument for Charon tbh, since apollo gain doesn't need you to be in it anymore

[junior hollow]

how to you get access to the boon list? ive already gifted all the gods at least one necter

[hybrid birch]

Idk where else to put this chat, but it REALLY annoys me how much boon chance there is. The first game, I pick their keepsake, I get their boon. This one? I’ve leveled keepsakes almost the whole way without ever even seeing that god

[meager garden]

it should guarantee them in the first couple rooms

[nova oar]

Which region has this happened in

[meager garden]

||"Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, Demeter, Apollo, Aphrodite, Hephaestus, Hestia, Artemis, Hermes, Chaos"||
Maybe gift some more, I know in EA I had to give an extra to Aphro

[thin laurel]

if this is happening in the second area of the surface (or really early game so you run into some gods for story reasons you can't change) then that.... makes sense.
if you pick a keepsake in region 1 tho the god usually shows up almost immediately

[covert badge]

https://mobalytics.gg/hades-2/builds/aspect-of-circe-staff

[hybrid birch]

I went through the first 3 underworld regions my last run with hestia’s keepsake and never saw her

[nova oar]

Ew

[vapid igloo]

Only boss were you need memory to beat doesn't matter how well you play

[nova oar]

That shouldn't be possible lmao, are you sure you had the right keepsake/didn't skip her

[thin laurel]

hm, did you skip her even one time at the beginning...? it only guarantees they show up once afaik so if you skipped it for a shop/chaos gate/NPC room early on then that would make sense
otherwise I've never had anything like that happen to me

[nova oar]

You can i-frame them

[meager garden]

I think you can memorize for 10 seconds

[junior hollow]

omg i completly forgot about hermes

[hybrid birch]

I’ve done it multiple times, I pick it to get her attack boon. Maybe I’m dum though

[nova oar]

Probably yes, it should either be first reward or first boon in the region

[hybrid birch]

It absolutely is not

[idle crater]

thats a bug then

[vapid igloo]

I struggle with the second time, and its impossable wtih herc

[gilded mirage]

narcissus look so hot

[nova oar]

Yeah smth is bugged or you're doing smth wrong

[meager garden]

he's so slow nowadays just kite him cod zombies style

[nova oar]

Just bash him up while counting the lanes

[meager garden]

or yeah, just beat him up while remembering, that's the fun part

[idle crater]

or if you cant do both simultaneously, herc is like, really slow during these parts, so just run to the other end of the arena

[glacial sphinx]

lmaooo that's my guide 💀

[pure otter]

odyseus heart unlock is such a pain in ass

[meager garden]

ikr

[glacial sphinx]

what disgusts you about it? @nova oar

[spare venture]

Is it pronounced Melinoowee?

[hybrid birch]

Guess I’m screwed because I haven’t gotten boons from keepsakes since launch on switch. I know everyone will tell me I’m wrong though so have a good night

[meager garden]

melino ayyyyyy

[nova oar]

Keepsakes, boons, familiar, i'm sure itd work it's just not what I would ever go for

[spare venture]

ahh

also is it better to play with a controller or m+k?

[meager garden]

depends on what you're used to

[glacial sphinx]

more or less it's the build idea that worked for me. Circe was my first 62 when rivals launched

[light thicket]

is critical strike chance amplified by hermes boost?

[glacial sphinx]

Familiar though? you don't think raki and toula are the best for circe?

[meager garden]

yes, but it's Multiplicative, not additive

[light thicket]

ohh i see, it would be completely broken

[nova oar]

Nah i always take frinos

[silent current]

Hey all, is there any tips that anyone has for going ||to the top||? It seems insanely harder than ||going down, though maybe it's because I've done so much more going down than up, but everything seems to hit so hard and it just seems so much worse than going down - I've killed chronos 4 times so far but I've only made it to typhon once, and died many times on the way||

[glacial sphinx]

ok I promise you, try Raki with circe, and it's way better than frinos.
or toula if you need the DD

[naive torrent]

Freenos feels the worst to me but hes my favorite of the animals

[nova oar]

Nah i only run strength atm, and I'll give it a go once i'm finished on all aspects

[meager garden]

you are real chonky starting off

[meager garden]

I wouldn't say it's insanely harder, but yes, it's a step up

[crude dragon]

@crude dragon

[silent current]

I think I've done maybe 10-20 runs so far, so still very new to it, but ||eris|| was a roadblock for me for a very long time, and now getting past ||prometheus is a pain, and I almost never survive the trip to the summit||

[indigo tinsel]

Gets easier with practice.

[silent current]

It feels a bit brutal at times

[crude dragon]

I have a recommendation

[indigo tinsel]

Like, I used to be where you are. Now on zero fear Typhon is just a matter of going up and punching him in the junk.

[silent current]

Yeah, I keep going up and practicing - I've definitely gotten better at the second boss now, though it's still no cakewalk

[thin laurel]

surface is definietly harder, but imo it becomes the more fun route over time.
Ephyra gives you so much control over your build so early, so with more game experience you can set up a good run in the first region more easily than the UW route imo.

[indigo tinsel]

...side note, I am really glad that Typhon's Junk is not a miniboss.

[vital hollow]

Whenever I go on surface runs, I always try to build up as much hp as possible because I know I’ll be taking a lot more damage, and so far, this strategy seems to work out for the most part

[meager garden]

it really does get easier with practice.
Surface bosses 2-4 all used to be final bosses, funnily enough, during early access.
They hit hard, but are very dodgeable except for a few specific sequences, I would say. All about as punishing as Chronos.

[thin laurel]

for all we know about his anatomy maybe the eyeball mini boss is h- you know what never mind I hate this sentence I'm moving on

[hearty fog]

||And it's prehensile, just like every other part of him.||

[prisma copper]

I wonder, is there any talk about changing Melonie's picture model to match whatever dress of Arachne she's wearing?

[naive torrent]

I allways try to go for more than 200 health for surface runs because im bad at Prometheus memorization attack

[thin laurel]

people recommended this fairly often in #h2-feedback when it was open iirc? idk why they never did it

[indigo tinsel]

But like, Spawn of Typhon used to reliably kill me and end my run.

[silent current]

That makes sense - I know I need to have more practice but for some reason it feels more demoralising than the underworld 😛

[prisma copper]

Must be a cost thing? Idk, I think it'd be relatively simple to do and would be cool :P

But it's not a big deal. I just like the idea

[median flax]

I find Eris sometimes whoops my ass for no good reason, like she is always in the air, always flying out of sight and unleashing long range attacks, whilst sometimes feeling really easy to deal with

[indigo tinsel]

And I just no-hit trounced him.

[thin laurel]

remind me, did they make it so the circe growth/shrinking stuff changes how big her portrait art is in the frame...? or did I make that up

[naive torrent]

Eris is hard if you have slow weapons

[thin laurel]

because if they did that but not the dress colors then that's sad

[indigo tinsel]

Eris can also be real frustrating with Morrigan.

[slow plinth]

What's a good build to do surface fear. I've tried like staff high damage attack. IThe closest i've gotten is a cast build, but it doesn't feel nearly as strong as it used to be. And as far as I can tell, i've already unlocked everything but hidden aspects that will benefit me at all in a run.

[indigo tinsel]

Because every time she wings around, it seems to clear Morrigan dots.

[crude dragon]

IIRC, yes

[crude dragon]

Medea

[meager garden]

I think Surface is just really fun because it's, for lack of a better word, really epic

[indigo tinsel]

Or missile turret

[astral turret]

aspect of medea so goated i was able to reach ||prometheus ||

[indigo tinsel]

Missile turret solves everything.

[meager garden]

you're going through the ruined surface, crawling with undead and monsters,|| ascending mount olympus, and facing the largest of all monsters||

[slow plinth]

What is missile turret?

[crude dragon]

Momus?

[thin laurel]

for me it's just "whatever weapon I'm most comfortable with." hidden staff feels free, whereas medea ik is objectively crazy strong I just don't like how it feels to play so I do worse with it lol

[indigo tinsel]

Xinth

And just spamming the Omega Special.

[meager garden]

I mean if you want a simple answer, the strong aspects I use of the original 18 are:
||Mel Staff, Circe Staff, Thanatos Axe, Charon Axe, Moros Torches, Medea Skull, Nyx Coat||

[slow plinth]

I've tried the medea builds before, but I take so much damage, it feels super glass cannony, and my issue is dying usually to projectiles

[meager garden]

||Momus and the other 2 coats|| are also pretty strong, I just don't use them

[radiant crag]

you kinda roll your finger from attack to special and just launch yourself at the enemy, Haelian has a fairly recent video on it

[indigo tinsel]

I usually use Mel Coat.

[meager garden]

medea you're basically a missile, dashing back and forth through an enemy and exploding rapidly.
You're close, but you're dealing a ton of damage. It doesn't have iframes though, so you gotta be careful

[radiant crag]

Medea can be harder to play safe on yeah but if you get a good build going you'll kill them before they kill you

[indigo tinsel]

Because I like the mobility.

[rapid plaza]

But I play on keyboard

[radiant crag]

it's 1 attack into 1 special immediately

[slate heart]

how do i unlock the pet skins?

[meager garden]

max out all pets I think, 50 treats

[thin laurel]

I've done fairly high fear with it and ik how it works, it just doesn't click with my playstyle very well. I like range 🤷
I can manage it and do well it just takes more effort than weapons that I enjoy playing

[slate heart]

ty

[indigo tinsel]

So, I also have a weird observation. The fangs on Olympus are harvested by Gale... suggesting they're a kind of plant or herb.

[meager garden]

yes, just like driftwood

[kindred notch]

Hey, new here... small question, is it here or #h2-feedback a better place to talk about finding a potential bug?

[meager garden]

you can't post in feedback. You can talk here. If it's a serious bug(like saves or performance), you can post to #h2-tech-support

[indigo tinsel]

Also, asking again: So, Circe ||won't take gifts until my grasp of the Arcana is complete. They're all maxed out... do I just need to talk to her more?||

[kindred notch]

gotcha, gotcha

I've found that ||Athena's|| keepsake is just not working for some reason in the past two runs I've had, but Im not sure if its due to story spoiler or if it is a bug

[thin laurel]

And you're using it ||either when you're out of death defiances, or while playing strength? And don't have Toula?||

[meager garden]

from a steam discussion:
||"I had that happen a couple of times but not with circe bond. Sometimes when you progress the game (beat new boss etc.), dialogue about that progress takes priority over bond dialogue even though you met whatever is needed for that bond to advance. Just keep meeting and talking to her on runs until she will finally notice it. I had all arcana cards upgraded plus 30/30 grasp when she noticed it."||

[last cove]

Can I ask a question about progression here?

[meager garden]

yeah sure, if it's about 1.0 you should spoiler it

[indigo tinsel]

Gah, one of the things that is annoying is that there is so much "Congratulations, you beat the game!" dialogue that it's preventing my progress.

[astral turret]

||does ares , athena and the other gods from hades return or what ||

[meager garden]

yeah

[astral turret]

nice nice

[gusty oyster]

Hi has anybody else had an issue doing compel ever? I’m on steam deck and it looks like it’s reading some other input because my shade immediately goes red and fails the compel. I just want to unlock frinos so I never have to deal with this again

[naive torrent]

Which god has the worst boons ?

[astral turret]

im assuming to get them to show up i need to play more surface levels?

[meager garden]

some people are reporting this issue as well. What you're supposed to do is hold down the matching button, and no other buttons, until the prompt changes to the next one

[last cove]

|| So I beat chronos for the last time and saw the credits roll. Is there any new content after this or is it just maxing out relationships/pets/weapons. Beat vow of rivals and high fear too ||

[gusty oyster]

I have done this and I was able to compel shades fine in early access. It feels bugged, I’ve tried everything

[meager garden]

||relationship quests, achievements, getting the last 3 keepsakes(which are important for gameplay)||

[hearty fog]

That's usually contextual, since some gods rule on certain weapons but stink on others. But I'd say Poseidon has the fewest number of strong builds.

[indigo tinsel]

Like, "Yes, yes, I'm so awesome, please tell me about other things, though."

[meager garden]

yeah, I've heard a lot of people mention this as well. Probably goes into #h2-tech-support

[kindred notch]

I'm using it while on the first case, yeah

(story spoilers)
In short, ||I'm on my way to fighting Chronos one "last time" (i still have no clue about the ending) and I equipped it on the fields of mourning. First run I did have one more death defiance when I equipped it, but that wont matter if I lose it at some point. I basically played suicide to trigger it and get full refill. Second run I had ran out of death defiances right before them... but she didnt appear in ANY moment. Hell, I even kept it equipped through ALL of tartarus and nothing||

[meager garden]

oh yeah she doesn't show up in that run, it's a bug or something

[kindred notch]

ah fair, dang it oh it IS a bug, ok that helps keep it in mind

[crude dragon]

Demeter

[meager garden]

demeter is my goat

[kindred notch]

I am doing high fear for both of those "last things" (spoilers) as if to earn those victories

[last cove]

|| are there any new boss fights or important story beats? Because ngl the gameplay is getting a bit repetitive ||

[kindred notch]

but yeah I get my ass KICKED in some of the fights and lose death defiances prior

[meager garden]

snow queen, plentiful forage, arctic ring, arctic gale+static shock

[kindred notch]

guess I gotta get good for the time being

[meager garden]

||you fight zagreus in a secret boss fight||

[last cove]

|| alr thanks ill check that out||

[kindred notch]

thanks for the answers guys

[meager garden]

gl

[astral turret]

wait can you actually

[meager garden]

yes (I don't know what)

[nova oar]

Actually what

[astral turret]

this i forgot to reply

[indigo tinsel]

Okay, LOL at just how saucy the "raise the dead" hex can be.

Fighting Typhon with a Spawn of Typhon just face tanking him is... yeah.

[crude dragon]

Just wait until you use it on Scylla

[jolly wing]

I can finally upgrade Arcana. I have 3 M-Dust. What should I first use them on?

[meager garden]

yeah lol
also if you care about spoilers don't click on scary stuff

[crude dragon]

Persistence

[rapid plaza]

save up for death/strength

[jolly wing]

I'm thinking of The Enchantress for the extra Change of Fate.

[astral turret]

do i need to beat surface to get it to unlock

[meager garden]

credits

[astral turret]

ah

[jolly wing]

How about Night Arcana. Which weapons does Omega Combo apply to?

[meager garden]

all of them but it suits some better than others

[jolly wing]

Like which ones?

[rapid plaza]

coat/staff/skull

[meager garden]

uh, staff, axe, skull maybe, coat maybe

[naive torrent]

Should i save up for aspect of nurgle ?

[meager garden]

it also doesn't matter too much if you're an omegacast fan, since you can just combo off of that.
I would just avoid using Night on torches

[meager garden]

nergal is pretty cool, yeah, but it's slow so maybe you don't like it

[elfin shard]

whats the best way to make athena spawn without her keepsake?

[meager garden]

go to olympus?

[elfin shard]

I know herc cant spawn in a boon room, i dont know if athena is the same way

[rapid plaza]

and pray

[crude dragon]

Momus Staff, Hidden Coat, Hidden Torches I suppose, Moros Torches, Hidden Staff, Hidden Axe, Selene Coat I guess

[meager garden]

I don't think she has any rules

[meager garden]

does hidden torches work with night lol

[elfin shard]

ok so just spam area 3 over and over

[oblique cloak]

how do you unlock the prophecy born to win? i've gotten literally every other achievement but this has me stumped

[crude dragon]

I'd assume it does

[meager garden]

max out chaos seed, take chaos doors with it equipped, I think

[elfin shard]

any idea if i have to have a 'natural' spawn to progress arachnes quest or can i just get her to spawn in with the keepsake

[crude dragon]

Take the egg to Chaos

[oblique cloak]

really

[elfin shard]

her quest is the last one i need for 100% but I cant get it to show up

[oblique cloak]

i feel like i mustve done that at some point with 1000 nights but ill try it

[meager garden]

I have no idea what I need to finish that quest, but I think I'm just stuck on dialogue from beating the game

[elfin shard]

same, i cant get the quest to show up and ive talked to both of them at least 3 times each

[jolly wing]

I have a Hammer start. For base axe, which hammer should I get? Omega Special 2x, Omega Special 25% faster channel, 60 damage every attacks

[rapid plaza]

i think you can use keepsake. you may have to go through some keepsake specific dialoge first though

[astral lichen]

anyone know how many times you need to ||fight zag to ma||x his bond

[crude dragon]

Seething, the other two are more used for Charon

[jolly wing]

Unfortunately Psychic Whirlwind isn't an option

[crude dragon]

The hammer name is Seething Marauder

[gritty vortex]

yeah easy seething

omega specials are really only relevant for charon and the hidden aspect

[wooden basin]

Any guidance for Odysseus and Arachne prophecies?

[meager garden]

try bringing knucklebones to circe for ody
for arachne just keep talking to both of them

[wooden basin]

ahhhh
ugh, forgot the circe part

can i force athena lines with her keepsake?

[meager garden]

oh try athena keepsake to arachne

[devout abyss]

oh the book of shadows makes sense now. just made that connection

[simple sierra]

does cut above ||ares boon|| work with every hit of the black cloak's special?

or should i go ||profuse bleeding|| if i already have his legendary

[digital shoal]

finally beat surface 6 fear with the axe

[median flax]

Ok question for final boss topside, || he had on health bar, is this like, typical? First encounter. ||

[meager garden]

yeah he never has one

[median flax]

oh ok seems legit

🤣 am I still meant to hit him?

[scarlet prairie]

Yeah.

[meager garden]

yeah, you can beat him

[scarlet prairie]

He'll never get an HP bar but you can tell how close he is to dying by how much he's bloodied.

[median flax]

I seemed pretty close, he was like, 90% blood

[scarlet prairie]

He also has certain phases for HP gates, adds, Zeus call, adds 2, and then it's just a slug fest until one of you dies.

[median flax]

oh so I was really close

well first time, could have done worse

[scarlet prairie]

He's had his damage tuned a fair bit since EA but he's still really tough your first time.

[meager garden]

after his second set of eggs he's 40% hp

[median flax]

yeah I was dps'ing for a short while and my build did a lot of damage

[meager garden]

he has double chronos' combined hp for reference

[scarlet prairie]

Having a more ranged weapon can help since you don't need to deal with Head Slam.

[median flax]

Yes I was using melos torches

[meager garden]

it means dealing with more moves though, and laser is best dodged at point blank

[jolly wing]

I can't believe it. I'm going back to an earlier night because I should've planted 1 Nightshade and 1 Cattail seed. I wanted to unlock Rich Soil earlier....

[scarlet prairie]

That's fair, I think ranged feels easier to just attrition him with tho.

(At least when you're learning).

[meager garden]

I prefer melee just because "chinslam" becomes a free attack that isn't messing anything up, as long as I get that dodge right

[marsh gulch]

does sword ring inflict wounds?

[meager garden]

no

[scarlet prairie]

If it doesn't say it does, it doesn't.

[marsh gulch]

ty

[median flax]

I got downed by the laser swinging twice rather than once, and it swung back fast

[meager garden]

his tongue is a blind spot

[scarlet prairie]

Yeah after Zeus call (I think?) it always goes back around.

[meager garden]

?

[scarlet prairie]

The laser? That goes across the arena?

[meager garden]

oh I think it gets doubled up after eggs2. I don't believe his AI changes before and after zeus

[scarlet prairie]

Oh huh. I guess i usually get him from Zeus to Adds 2 quick enough I never notice.

[heavy island]

|| does getting "bond forged" do anything for keepsakes? you get the little icon of their faces... but does it actually change anything ||

[scarlet prairie]

No, it's just decoration.

The only way to improve keepsakes beyond rank 3 is the Cherished Heirloom duo boon.

[heavy island]

k ty

[vocal crescent]

hey guys spoiler alert how do we get the fates??? ||I do not understand a single word in the prophecy about finding them in Oceanus||

[meager garden]

||use moros pin and die a lot in oceanus, I think||

[brisk harness]

||trigger pin 4 rooms in a row in oceanus, die on the 4th time||

[vocal crescent]

|| I did that, and did it in three different chambers, then purposely died in Scalla chamber, which didn't work, so I was wondering if we're suppose to die in the same chambers 3 times???||

[brisk harness]

okay i have a question of my own
||how far do the vanity ranks go? at unseen V atm||

[vocal crescent]

||exactly what I did and didn't work I'm so confused😭 ||

[scarlet prairie]

||Where do you get the vanity ranks? And when? Do you have to see credits?||

[nova oar]

It's an incantion after credits yes

[vocal crescent]

||is it the Scylla chamber that's the problem?? like we should be dying in a normal chamber||

[simple sierra]

Is it normal to not know where the last ingredient for ||finishing chronos|| and ||waking hypnos|| are while being able to make the incantation to finish ||typhon||?

[vocal crescent]

Thanks a lot guys I'll try again anyways

[nova oar]

Yes, ||typhon|| is done first

[vocal crescent]

yes

[summer summit]

Is it just me or is scorch kinda weak

[scarlet prairie]

Scorch is pretty good but it always feels weak.

[merry whale]

scorch is prob one of the best dps options u can get

[meager garden]

how does scorch feel weak???

[scarlet prairie]

Well for me it's EA memories but also you don't get Big Damage Numbers, just a number ticking down.

[summer summit]

I just feel like the dot isnt doing enough

[merry whale]

dw scorch actually feels super finicky to use, i never learned how to use it until like many nights in

but 100 consistent dps is really solid

it also scales with damage modifiers like origination etc

[scarlet prairie]

Scorch is best on your fastest move, it's super good. It's slightly weapon dependent (the faster the better), but you should always be taking it if you don't have something better than it.

[summer summit]

Yea i guess…i guess the time it takes to do vs just getting another boon that gives big dmg makes it feel like it isnt worth using

[brisk harness]

scorch is consistent and always at least a decent option even into endgame

even if only to proc origination

[meager garden]

it doesn't take much time, it drains at 100 stacks per second after all, at a minimum

[brisk harness]

and yes it is best used on multi-hitting/rapid moves kinda like poseidon

[meager garden]

if you're applying like, 80 scorch, with a hit, it's wearing off in 8/10ths of a second, meaning most of it will be gone by the time you do your next swing

[summer summit]

Gotcha

[silent current]

Hey guys, is there a benefit to having fear on if I'm not going for the guardian that I'll get nightmare from? The guardian is ||eris but I'm going down, so not sure if I should leave the fesr on or not?||

[scarlet prairie]

No.

[brisk harness]

though I'm a scorch cast enjoyer too

[meager garden]

sorta.
I think you get bonus rewards for having 20 fear in the final zone, but I forget if that's an unlock

[summer summit]

Ill try using it with sickle or punchy weapon

[scarlet prairie]

It's less than 20, I think it's 10 or so.

[meager garden]

idk what the min is I've never been there since they added em

[scarlet prairie]

I comfortably play on 13 and always get those rewards.

[silent current]

I'm struggling with 1 fear so far 😛

But I'll keep it in mind when I get there

[brisk harness]

||the highest you'll have to do is 24 iirc for nightmare||

[meager garden]

I think max is 20 for nightmare farming

[brisk harness]

unless they changed that

[meager garden]

24 is surface fear for statue 3

[scarlet prairie]

Free fear is like.

Debt 1-2, Time up to 2, Scars 1, Menace 1-2, maybe Frenzy 1, Return.

[brisk harness]

i do vaguely remember needing a 24 chronos in EA

[meager garden]

I think they did lower it actually

[scarlet prairie]

They lowered the statues but IDK about the bounties.

[gleaming parrot]

I have like 40 nightmare to spare

[wheat rain]

what god does the most damage in the primary attack section

[brisk harness]

wish I could sell my nightmare at this point tbh

[scarlet prairie]

Aphro.

[gleaming parrot]

It would be cool if ||Mel could use nightmare directly given her association with nightmares||

[brisk harness]

i need multitudes of kudos

[meager garden]

aphro/apollo or hestia/poseidon prolly

[brisk harness]

aphro though she's not universally best, that damage is reliant on staying close to your enemies unless you have poseidon+aphro duo

[scarlet prairie]

Well, that's the biggest percentage boon. Your mileage will vary based on rarity, weapon, arcana, and whatnot. But Aphro has the biggest Number.

[brisk harness]

as far as %s go I like apollo, hera and rarely demeter in that order

[scarlet prairie]

Freeze is a decent enough status that it's never bad to take her.

[gleaming parrot]

Guess I should be cashing in coupons for Psyche to turn into kudos at this point

[meager garden]

if you're out of everything else lol, yeah

[gleaming parrot]

Yeah. I wish I could sell nightmare for kudos now that I don't need it for anything

[scarlet prairie]

I feel like they nerfed Demeter quite a bit from H1... she used to be like second strongest % increase in that game, after Aphro IIRC.

[meager garden]

demeter was quite weak in hades 1 from what I recall

[scarlet prairie]

I guess I never got super into the weeds of H1... but she did feel quite strong to me.

[brisk harness]

what was athena at in h1 again

[meager garden]

also 40%/60%

[brisk harness]

chill also comparatively wasn't that great of a status to apply iirc

i'd say straight up freezing made her better in h2

though due to the nature of it you kinda don't want it on your main move but on something else like idk usually cast

[weary shore]

I really like the reskinned mobs ||typhon|| spawns, that was pet peeve of mine in the early access, the enemies looked really out of place

[real aurora]

Got my first Chronos win

[scarlet prairie]

Gratz.

Now go up there.

[ancient pivot]

HEEEEEEEEEEEY JUDY GETS TO ||SING APOLLO AND ARTEMIS' SONG||! I AM SO HAPPY

[sharp garden]

?

Artemis will sing || both Apollo and her version of Moonlight guide us at random ||

[ancient pivot]

yes i was bit sad|| mel was silent during the steed scene. ||

[glacial zinc]

Holy hell I really WAS sleeping on Lim & Oros

[gleaming parrot]

All the weapons are pretty good imo

[vital hollow]

Idk, I find the skull to be pretty annoying to play sometimes

[meager garden]

special magnets up the skulls so you don't need to run to them to pick it up

[brisk harness]

skull and coat are annoying and tbh i only vibe with hidden aspect on daggers

the rest is solid

[gleaming parrot]

Ironically coat and skull are some of my favorites, especially the hiddens

[scarlet prairie]

Mel Skull sucks but every other skull feels really fun.

(And ofc Medea is the best weapon in the game and still untouched after a year :p)

[gleaming parrot]

If you haven't played them since 1.0, I'd recommend it

[meager garden]

mel skull's power bonus just isn't enough I think, but it's still fun

[glacial zinc]

But L&O with heph and hest boons hit harder than the trojans

[void dove]

Does Great Chaos Below always give White Antler in Tartarus? I've gotten it twice in a row

[meager garden]

no just unlucky

[vital hollow]

Yeah, right now my favorite thing to do with skull is go aspect of Persephone and Jeweled Pom for insane boon levels

[scarlet prairie]

Hit the Medea button.

[void dove]

https://tenor.com/view/my-disappointment-is-immeasurable-and-gif-20080022

[scarlet prairie]

Becomes Medea pilled. Roll your finger across attack and special.

Speaking of Jeweled Pom.... are the new 1.0 keepsakes good actually? Or at least worth the tradeoff of being in Fates' Whim?

[gleaming parrot]

Easily, yeah

You keep all the effects of them even when you swap to a new one

Also I'm guessing Mel skull wouldn't be good on a controller, but point and click targeting on KBM is really nice tbh

[scarlet prairie]

How does Pom stack with Mom Skull? Up to +9 levels?

[vital hollow]

10

[meager garden]

do you use anything besides pom

[gleaming parrot]

I switch to all 3 but start with pom

But yeah, I do use all 3

[scarlet prairie]

But the second I put on the God keepsakes, I stop getting the extra levels on new boons for example?

[meager garden]

I think so, yeah, so you can just avoid god keepsakes, others are fair game

[gleaming parrot]

As far as I know, since you'd no longer be in Fates Whim

I just haven't actually cared to try since getting them since they're all pretty good

[vital hollow]

You can use Athena’s keepsake while still be under fates whim, I assume that they might change this in a later patch, but it works for now

[scarlet prairie]

Well Athena isn't the same as other God keepsakes.

[nova oar]

Oh fr?

[scarlet prairie]

It has a condition as well.

I always assumed the Fates' Whim wording to explicitly ban any keepsakes from the "main gods" that are in the pool.

[brisk harness]

last i checked it doesn't actually work that way

[vital hollow]

I swear I did it a couple days ago and that the Pom was still giving me free levels

[mystic dust]

Guys, I need help, Moros confessed to me, but I prefer Eris and I don't want to reject him. Is it the same as Hades 1, where nothing happens for being with both?

[wheat rain]

best asepct for the umbral flames ?

[scarlet prairie]

Moros. Not even close.

[nova oar]

You can screw both

[mystic dust]

A

[wheat rain]

So the combo is special then start normal attacking ?

[scarlet prairie]

Ospec into normal attack or even just attack into normal special clear rooms on their own.

[brisk harness]

even after heavy nerfs, I still like the hidden one

[scarlet prairie]

Hidden Flames aren't Vampire Survivors anymore so who cares.

[bleak kestrel]

best weapon aspect for a 12 fear up stairs run?

[mystic dust]

with which you feel most comfortable

[vital hollow]

I would say it mostly matters about what weapon you’re the best at using

[bleak kestrel]

what about keepsake and pet?

[snow osprey]

What’s the easiest fear 32 setup and best weapon aspect + combo for it?

[meager garden]

god keepsake start and knucklebones end is usually good

[vital hollow]

Depends what build you’re trying to build with the weapon

[mystic dust]

The pet only used hecula

[bleak kestrel]

for a upstairs run?

[mystic dust]

The memories depend on what you need, right now I’m just leveling everyone up, I’m 10 away from 3 stars

[mystic dust]

I think the best ones are those of Hephaestus, Ares, and Aphrodite.

[bleak kestrel]

U mean hecuba the dog?

[scarlet prairie]

God keepsake -> Fig Leaf -> Athena -> Whatever

Best pet is probably Gale (surviving) or Raki (doing damage).

[mystic dust]

yes

[scarlet prairie]

Knuckle Bones is probably the safest way to get the win if you just wanna kill Typhon.

[slender perch]

aphrodite poseidon duo makes every foe count as nearby. hera’s sprint boon says nearby foes are afflicted with hitch when you sprint. the duo does not make every foe inflicted with hitch. changing the wording on that boon to not confuse would be nice

[mystic dust]

Does anyone know if, just like in Hades 1, there are no problems if you are in a polyamorous relationship?

[wheat rain]

Does hestia boon that say deal more damage to foes if they are away from other foes work on bosses ?

[slender perch]

if the boss hasnt summoned anything

[wheat rain]

so it's kinda free damage vs most bosses

[slender perch]

indeed

hecate cheats by summoning friends 😡

[bitter bane]

Chaos gates normally count as a full room, right? If I take one in the fields of mourning, am I losing just one reward? or potentially up to three rewards?

[scarlet prairie]

Scylla always has adds, as does Chronos. Poly also has adds for a large portion of the fight. But yeah otherwise.

[scarlet prairie]

Yes, they count as a full room always. You'll be missing out on all the rewards of a Fields room.

[bitter bane]

oh, so chaos gates are just absolutely awful in fields then lmao

[scarlet prairie]

On the contrary, though, any effect that lasts "for X encounters" will go away quicker in fields due to you doing 2-3 encounters in a single room.

[broken raven]

IIRC chaos can't actually skip entire rooms in Fields?

You lose one encounter not one location in fields IIRC

But I might be wrong there

[wheat rain]

you always clear chronos/poly adds or at least I always do that to not take unsuspected damage

[broken raven]

It's also worth noting that while Chaos counts as a "room" in Tartarus it will not advance you closer to Chronos and will only make subsequent encounters have more enemies

[scarlet prairie]

Phase 1 Chronos I'll kill 'em when he's invuln but phase 2 I just brute force the healing.

[bitter bane]

so buying a chaos encounter is worth proportionally more in (early) tartarus compared to anywhere else?

[lunar compass]

I'm diving into 1.0 after having taken a yearlong break and

[broken raven]

It's probably worth the most in Erebus or Olympus, if I have to rate them

[lunar compass]

What happened to the old Umbral Flames

[sonic marsh]

dancing knives or reaper knives for aspect of pan guys

[broken raven]

Lots and lots of feedback

[scarlet prairie]

You missed the Torches arc.

[broken glen]

Trick knives. Always trick knives.

[bitter bane]

what did the old torches do?

[scarlet prairie]

Torches were like the weapon that people got the most heated debate during EA feedback.

[sonic marsh]

obviously but I ddid not get that option

[broken raven]

Reaper Knives - Dancing knives removes the ability of the special to deal return damage, so it usually reduces your damage

[broken glen]

Well not with that attitude

[sonic marsh]

ah good to know thanks

[sonic marsh]

i was thinking dancing knives with zeus chain lightning (which i have) would look cool af

[broken raven]

Yes that's strong but with chain lightning you usually don't need more area damage

[lunar compass]

damn; they were janky as hell, but I liked the weird jankiness ya needed to roll with

[unreal isle]

blitz can be affected by the double lightning effect???

[sonic marsh]

gotta say though, rival bosses are like 3x harder damn

[nova oar]

Yes that's the whole point

[scarlet prairie]

A lot of people didn't. Torches are really good now but definitely way different.

[unreal isle]

how did I not know this...I just thought the rush/revenge boons + some of the lightning duos only get affected

[lunar compass]

Using them now and they're definitely a lot easier to use for sure, but don't feel as unique as they used to; I'll get used to it in time probably though

[scarlet prairie]

I think Moros and hidden Torches feel the most unique generally.

[nova oar]

It applies to all 'strikes' just not things like chain lightning

[unreal isle]

honestly it's only eris, cerebrus and chronos that feel more difficult

[scarlet prairie]

Eris is easier with VoR on than off.

[sonic marsh]

I play too aggressively for the cyclops one

[unreal isle]

the boon only says that lightning effects may trigger twice

[scarlet prairie]

Except for like specifically axe.

[unreal isle]

I assumed blitz had a different term so it doesn't get affected by it

[unreal isle]

with VoR it's almost impossible to dodge those weird ball things at high fear

[nova oar]

So blitz, sprint, cast, and the other zeus boons to do the same thing

[broken raven]

Anything that causes a lighting bolt to strike "down" on an enemy is affected by Double strike

[bitter bane]

so if I have a room with 3 rewards in fields, and another room with the NPC encounter, does going to the npc count as -3 encounters for the fields?

[lunar compass]

Ahhh gotcha gotcha; rolling with a new save, lookin forward to seeing what they look like post-EA

[nova oar]

Nah it's easy u just gotta be careful, you can even dash through them

[unreal isle]

yeah for some reason I assumed blitz wasn't a lightning effect like the rest

[nova oar]

Yes

[zenith flint]

OMG this is new to me.. Here I thought that moros keepsake was pretty bad in the mourning fields

[broken raven]

Non VoR Eris feels much easier to me you just get behind the pillars and she can't hurt you

[unreal isle]

they cover the entire map + if you hit them with your weapon they explode

[scarlet prairie]

Yep, each big reward in fields that starts a fight counts as an encounter.

[unreal isle]

not only that but you can keep backstabbing her while she tries to shotgun you, she's way too slow

[broken raven]

But VoR Eris is definitely much easier relative to VoR Sirens (puke)

[nova oar]

They're really not that bad you just need to learn how to destroy them

[bitter bane]

makes me feel like chaos/NPCs in fields are often pretty bad (although situationally the fields NPC can be absolutely busted)

[unreal isle]

my point is that VoR eris is definitely harder than off

eris without VoR is one of the most useless bosses

[scarlet prairie]

Fields optimal pathing is genuinely just:

Room 1 -> Miniboss -> Echo -> Room 2 -> Shop

100% consistent and gets you out super fast.

[nova oar]

Nah echo is really good I take her 99% of the time

[gleaming parrot]

I always take hammer last in any room of Fields, in case the room after is Echo

[nova oar]

Nah she's easy as, even on 32 fear

[unreal isle]

agree to disagree

[nova oar]

This community is too nice i need a fight to the death rn

[bitter bane]

I mean true, but it does make me think she is less stupidly good than I did

the triple hammer high though

[gleaming parrot]

I mean, encounter amount only affects a fraction of her boons. It doesn't make Echo any less good imo

[unreal isle]

I'm still trying to get the optimal ares build but this game hates my ass

[nova oar]

You can easily get 4, and technically 6 or 7 I think, or least you used to be able to

[unreal isle]

I've never gotten more than three

hammers are low-key useless beyond 2 or 3 most of the time

[bitter bane]

4 I can see, but no idea how you would get to 7

[nova oar]

You get the normal 2, plus one from echo, plus one from the charon anvil, and hope that you can artifice some more

[unreal isle]

since when did echo give a hammer

[bitter bane]

icarus arti hammer too

[nova oar]

I believe you could do it early in ea, probably not anymore

[gleaming parrot]

You used to be able to get:

• 1 in Erebus
• 1 from Keepsake, anytime
• 3 from Mourning Fields, via rerolling Minor Rewards in the same room as a Hammer
• 1 from Echo
• 1 from the Anvil at the end

[unreal isle]

okay that's insane what

[nova oar]

That

[bitter bane]

lmao, I assume thats patched

[gleaming parrot]

I haven't gotten it since 1.0, so probably yeah

[unreal isle]

nowadays I barely get 2 hammers

anyone know how to unlock the infernal contract thing

[nova oar]

Realistically you can get 5 if the luck lines up

[nova oar]

Roll credits and it'll start showing up after that

[unreal isle]

I've done 27 nights since the credits

[gleaming parrot]

Start ||taking shops at every chance, specifically ones in the middle of a floor||

[unreal isle]

I already do that almost every night

[gleaming parrot]

You're clearly missing something, but it's not easy to guess