h2-discussion

[orchid acorn]

Achievements were accidentally revealed and added a few weeks ago and removed if you want them i can show

[tranquil wren]

oh? I thought they were all retroactive

[orchid acorn]

Repeatable = must do again

one time only = retroactive

[thick coral]

are they kill challenges or what

[orchid acorn]

Skelly statues are one time only example

[tranquil wren]

ah I see

[orchid acorn]

80% "do this incantation" 10% gameplay stuff 10% other stuff

[thick coral]

oh dam

[tranquil wren]

what's an example of repeatable? getting to kronos with arachne's dress?

[thick coral]

i hope its easier than hades 1 hahaha

[orchid acorn]

'beat erebus"

[tranquil wren]

oh lol

[orchid acorn]

arachne dress is also repeatable though

[tranquil wren]

good thing I've waited to do that

but tbf it seems really hard

[dusky mountain]

oh thats a thing? gonna be rough

but when you play arachne dress surely you play white antler?

wtf is || sheeps clothing || about??

[tranquil wren]

but arachne's keepsake adds more armour every exit

[orchid acorn]

get sheeped by hecate > kill a witch

you deal like 10 damage when you m1 into them.

or just break a tree and kill with environmental damage

[thick coral]

no level all keepsakes

[dusky mountain]

ohhhh

[dusky mountain]

shame cse i alrdy did that

[thick coral]

it was horrendous back in H1

[orchid acorn]

wait we can't post the achievement list anymore? why was it deleted

i thought since it wasn't leaked it was ok to talk about since it was public

i asked about that weeks ago

[humble urchin]

you can m1 as sheep??

[orchid acorn]

its like a really trash medea special withotu boons, but yes

[humble urchin]

idk why i never thought about doing it…probably too busy trying to dash

[orchid acorn]

yeah it helps you get distancetoo

[humble urchin]

oh so m1 is dash?

[orchid acorn]

not a dash

a really trash small step forward

[humble urchin]

true it’s barely anything

[orchid acorn]

issue is, dash is on a like 2 sec cooldown

m1 isn't, so you just spam BAA to cross distance

[humble urchin]

heh, TIL

[orchid acorn]

<@&456908176877551658> can i have clarification on this tbh, i was told before it was fine since it was public info has that stance changed?

[flat glacier]

i was under the impression that as the achievements list was removed it fell under the same "please don't discuss" as datamined content and the like, but i can double-check

[orchid acorn]

if thats the case then fair enough

[polar abyss]

The problems with Momus at higher fears is that

1. The other staffs got better / introduced
2. Momus relies on Omega moves
3. Momus got nerfed from 1.5 seconds per dupe omega to 2 seconds.
   The second part has itself a whole host of issues; it means you are required to have a gain boon (Flood Gain), it means you have to maintain magic, so stuff like Stalwart Stand or Static Shock are off the table (unless you sacrifice a keepsake with Silver Wheel just to offset one of these magic priming boons), and also Omega moves themselves take time to charge up, when Attack or Special could have done better damage on another aspect (see Mel Staff)

[orchid acorn]

I also overvalued momus, i thought it duplicated 3 shots, not 2 + the original one you did

[polar abyss]

To be clear, Momus (and all aspects) can clear 32 Fear easily, and can clear 50 Fear relatively fine. But when the goal is 62 (or a little bit below), that makes it hard.

[orchid acorn]

this whole time it was worse than i thought 😭

[little frost]

still don't really know why momus got nerfed tbh

[orchid acorn]

isn't it pretty clearly cause data pre unseen would show it being the strongest staff

granted that is literal the meme of the plane with shots in it

[polar abyss]

Compare Momus to literally all 3 other staff aspects.

• Mel Staff can spam Dash Attack into Special, and deal huge bursts of damage with Aphro Special, Dual Moonshot, Huntress, and even something like Gigaros dash as an additive.
• Circe clears Wards super easily with the psychic leash and Smolder / Storm Ring, and both of these cast boons are excellent for boss damage.
• Anubis’s field is the best wards clearer of all the staffs, and Anubis actually got better by adding the options of Cardio Gain to fund the now 30 Magic specials, and Poseidon Waves on attack for some variety.

[orchid acorn]

its not that momus was good it was because the others were trahs

[polar abyss]

Also, Circe and Anubis can get busted with Air Quality strategies.

[dusky mountain]

with which cast

hestia? zeus?

[polar abyss]

Those are the two

I prefer Smolder Ring, but Storm Ring has also cleared 62 in Surface and UW

Actually, let me fact check that

[orchid acorn]

artic ring air quality mmmmm

[polar abyss]

Ok, this is incorrect. Arctic, Smolder, Storm, Anvil, and Rapture Ring have cleared 62 UW, but 62 Surface was cleared only with Arctic and Rapture Ring

Regardless, Circe is far more versatile than Momus, and it’s not even close

There is just a single 62 clear with Momus; a Surface clear by Daiyu, who I’d consider an exception for how viable a weapon is since he’s cleared over half of all weapons at 62 Surface.

[hallow vault]

Yen Zee is probably one of my Favorite artists in Games lmal

Sis always cooking 5 star meals when it comes to Character Designs

[little frost]

yeah momus felt like what the rest of the staves should feel like

[polar abyss]

I thinks shifting Momus back to 1.5, and not touching Dual Moonshot and Mirrored Thrasher will make it a little bit more in line. Not sure if it should be buffed anymore beyond the reversion.

[uncut knot]

What is the best special for Persephone rn?

[little frost]

I like hera quite a bit

very very good at room clear

or u can slap heph on every available slot and hope for good levels

[orchid acorn]

Personally i liked aphro since you were always close range with the o-special and it lets you do degen stuff like wispy wiles with the invuln ospec gives you to be literally invincible

[lucid bronze]

big multipliers

hera aphro and apollo are all good

[dusky mountain]

does rapture ring do any damage?

[crude dragon]

Yeah, does a bit of damage with every suck

[dusky mountain]

i thought it was just suck and weaken

havent used it in ages

[polar abyss]

No it does deal damage

[lucid bronze]

it was good but definitely didnt need the nerf

[polar abyss]

10/15/20/25 every 0.85 seconds.

[lucid bronze]

but what you said is why it got nerfed

[dusky mountain]

so you play that with Air quality?

[orchid acorn]

i still wouldn't call momus good pre nerf. It could be rebuffed to 1.5 right now and it'd still be worst staff

Hell they could make it 1 sec and it would be the worst prob

[polar abyss]

What if it was 1.5 base and took Anubis’s Omega Damage scaling?

[lucid bronze]

at least it’s the only staff that works for oattack builds

that’s something

[orchid acorn]

see if we actually gave it omega damage it would kinda be good

[lucid bronze]

it was arguably a top 5 weapon pre unseen (top 10 minimum) but with so many weapons getting better + pretty much all the hiddens being good it fell off so hard

[orchid acorn]

i never liked omega damage as an anubis scaler tbh

[orchid acorn]

i.... gotta fact check this brb looking at all weapons to do a tier list

[polar abyss]

Where’s a list of all the stats in Patch 8?

Or do you mean a ranking of all weapons rn?

[orchid acorn]

not looking at stats just wanted to look at he list to see if i agree with it being a top 5

[lucid bronze]

the only pre unseen weapons I would 100% say were better were medea pan charon and moros

everything else is debatable or worse

[orchid acorn]

im currently stunlocking myself over how eos was pre unseen

i wanna say it was better but i honestly cant confirm it cause i didnt care enough to play it

since you could triple helix spam sutff

[crude dragon]

You also wouldn't keep resetting your Daybreaker if you kept attacking while it was out, and there wasn't a cap on your specials

[orchid acorn]

i guess i also would need to contextualize what better is, cause i would say mel torch was better than momus pre unseen unless we are going into hubris high fear stuff

cause looking at a list i would've ranked mel torch pan medea charon moros eos over momus

[lucid bronze]

mel torch i can see eos no way

[orchid acorn]

yeah im stunlocking myself back and forth over it too

[lucid bronze]

even then mel torched was playable on high fear hubris just not with magic spam

romantic spark builds with Zeus special were good

[orchid acorn]

but like triple helix spam on eos was good pre rework

and easier to pull off than momus

even without eos its still #6

god making a list like this really shows how little weapons there are lowkey. After i got rid of all the trashcan pre patch i was like damn this is the list?

nyx pre rework was lmao, mel basically everything was lmao all staffs were lmao except momus

[lucid bronze]

circe on life support

old mel staff wasn’t horrible but still pretty mid

[orchid acorn]

i had fun with circe at least, serenity + omega attack spam felt fun

it wasn't good but it was fun. Mel staff was just boring, mid and not even powerful

idk if i would call it balanced or bad, but it sure wasn't good

[lucid bronze]

i still mourn Mel staff with old geyser spout

[crude dragon]

Mel staff's sole use was to make GD remotely playable

[lucid bronze]

winners circle just doesn’t hit the same

[crude dragon]

Realistically, all the Coats were lmao prior to Unseen

[limpid oar]

I'd say for actually using specials new Eos is better, but old Eos had a playstyle of holding down attack that was pretty solid before but sucks with new torch attack

[lucid bronze]

Mel was ok

funny poseidon punches

also had some disgusting hammers

[hallow vault]

I cant Believe me going like "Hmm heard Hades is good i Should Test it" made it one of my Favorite Games ever

The 2nd game too btw

I mean ot was a no brainer for ke tp get cause 350 Hours in Hades Lmao

[fathom lake]

Going back to hades 1 after the 2nd one to me felt so weird
What do you mean theres no rarify D:
oNly one Route?!!
What even are these poms 117% !?1

[vital pine]

I've been unable to get the feedback role (or any roles) but: could we have a function to remove some of the Music Maker's songs from shuffle?

(If someone else wants to copy this into feedback go for it)

[lost wing]

From the roles channel: "Please DM a moderator or @sgcaitlin for any issues!"

Your feedback is very unlikely to get spotted by SGG if it's not in #h2-feedback

[lucid bronze]

you don’t realise how much more enjoyable rarifying god keepsakes is till you go back to h1 and have the +% rarity chance instead

such a good change

[fathom lake]

Yeah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[orchid acorn]

dyno isn't dead but its still not giving out roles? 😔

[oak ivy]

the worst of both worlds 😔
can't swear and can't get roles

[raven perch]

Lord almighty

[vital pine]

I did a week ago, here's the response:

"Hello! There's an issue with the bot that assigns roles but they are looking into it to get it fixed soon. You can try doing that once it's fixed, which hopefully will be soon 🙏"

So yeah I was hoping someone with the feedback role would just copy it into the feedback channel tbh

[verbal rampart]

SAAAAAME. That's why Hades 2 is great : it does not make Hades 1 "obsolete". You can still enjoy Hades 1 even after playing Hades 2

[fathom lake]

I dont ask for muchJust let me play the Hades 1 weapons in Hades 2 ñdawffghtjuiykluum

[oak ivy]

that is asking for much 😔

[fathom lake]

https://tenor.com/view/ryo-ryo-beg-gif-27228320

[lost wing]

I wouldn't be surprised if someone mods them in eventually.

[fathom lake]

(please someone do that)

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-bubble-sad-gif-9840505378859916279

[dusky mountain]

Whats a good Artemis build For around 32 fest?

[fathom lake]

Praying/j

[orchid acorn]

finally know where you belong huh

[oak ivy]

I come to visit this place for a few minutes and you do this to me😔

[orchid acorn]

of course

daily dose of pronto

[oak ivy]

we're having sooo much fun in #video-games you gotta play Hollow Knight and Silksong!!!!!

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-bye-my-work-here-is-done-tuxedo-mask-peace-out-gif-15435284

im already playing hk

heard silksong is looking hard af tho u doing ok lilac

[oak ivy]

Controversial thing to say in this server.... but for as much as I love hades 2, it's unfortunately nowhere near as good as Silksong 😔

[oak ivy]

I'm making progress slowly!!

I'm definitely taking a lot longer than the others

[merry whale]

wrong opinion, you will be sacrificed henceforth

[orchid acorn]

lilac the turtle

[verbal rampart]

You dare.

[oak ivy]

no I actually play way too aggressively all the time because I'm too impatient and that gets me killed all the time 😭

[oak ivy]

just you wait until you play silksong.... you'll see for yourself!!

[orchid acorn]

we are alike

[oak ivy]

and I say it as someone who loves hades 2!!!!!

it's just... Silksong is like among the best games that have ever been made

[orchid acorn]

ngl i saw the mewgenics gameplay reveal last week and it looks peak

[verbal rampart]

Metroidvanias are not my thing.

[orchid acorn]

shame i gotta wait till feb to play it

[vital pine]

same

[oak ivy]

why february?

[orchid acorn]

cause it doesn't release until feb

[oak ivy]

ohh

[orchid acorn]

might set me off on an isaac binge i havent played in years

[oak ivy]

it's the same developer?

[orchid acorn]

turn based rpg based on cats

but they are ugly and stuff

https://tenor.com/view/mewgenics-mewgenics-depression-mewgenics-flame-gif-229922334413181821

[oak ivy]

i see i see

well plenty of time before february to finish both Hollow Knights

[orchid acorn]

true

[verbal rampart]

I admit if I have to wait until february for the 1.0 I'll be a bit angry.

(Just a tiny bit)

[oak ivy]

It's not about hades 2, hades 2 1.0 will 99% come out this year

[orchid acorn]

ye nah hades 2 is coming out within the next 2 months

virtually guaranteed. I highly doubt its gonna be a last minute before holiday release

[verbal rampart]

I hope so because my patience is...tested.

Nah ok I admit I'm exagerating

I don't want SuperGiant Games to go on a crunch for the release. They can take their time

[fathom lake]

Im not waiting for hades 2

[orchid acorn]

sept 17th for a 5 year anniversary isn't even that far fetched considering its a wednesday

[fathom lake]

Im waiting for Neverway and Unbeatable 👍

[orchid acorn]

join me in awaiting for mewgenics

[verbal rampart]

No farfetched but I think they would've announced it way sooner

[fathom lake]

I hope so

[verbal rampart]

Whenever the day is, I doubt this will be a "Surprise day"

[vital pine]

Everyone seems to be assuming the 1.0 drop will be unannounced, I'm not sure why

[orchid acorn]

wym bro saturday at 11pm is totally possible /s

[vital pine]

I'd also assume we'd have a few weeks lead up

[oak ivy]

-# also Silksong is the hardest at the very beginning honestly while you're still adjusting to all the new stuff!! it gets much better and smoother once you get a few key upgrades

[merry whale]

o hm, i could prob do a celebratory art thing on that day

i say as i've never played the other sgg games

[orchid acorn]

because based of literally the only precedent we have, it was a surprise release for hades 1.

[oak ivy]

do it!!!

[oak ivy]

you havent even played Pyre??

😔

[merry whale]

nah i got introduced to sgg by hades

[verbal rampart]

Ooooooh ok!

[fathom lake]

I only played Hades 1 and 2

[oak ivy]

pyre is my second favourite game by SGG so you should check it out too

[vital pine]

ah yeah that makes sense then haha! I was around a lot of hades 1 gamers in 2020 but only started playing myself this year so I'm slightly out of the loop there

[oak ivy]

you too, should play Pyre

[merry whale]

i do wanna check out the other games, prob gonna wait for a sale later

[fathom lake]

I dont like Afterlife Basketball tbh

[merry whale]

afterlife basketball sounds fire

[oak ivy]

fair enough 😔

[oak ivy]

it is!!!

I never cared about real life sports but pyre is so good!!

[hybrid gulch]

wait, Pyre is about "afterlife basketball"?

[fathom lake]

Transistor tempts but ehhhhh

[oak ivy]

sort of, yeah

[limpid oar]

Was it an afterlife? I thought it's just a prison

[hybrid gulch]

I haven't played it and I've only looked at some random isolated images. I didn't realize I had no idea what kind of game it was though 🤣

[oak ivy]

yeah it was more like a prison haha

[oak ivy]

it's really good!!

it's a place where all the "bad criminals" get cast out to basically

[hybrid gulch]

Well it was already on my list but maybe it moves up a tad, haha

[oak ivy]

and you are one such criminal because... you know how to read..... yes your crime is knowing how to read

[fathom lake]

Such Blasphemy

[orchid acorn]

kinda sorta yes

literally the longest yard + space jam = pyre

[oak ivy]

Those names mean nothing to me 😔

[hybrid gulch]

holy moly if they had that in their marketing materials it would've been a day one purchase for me, lmao

Two of my favorite movies!

[oak ivy]

Oh they're movies

[hybrid gulch]

Oh you've legit never heard of them? I guess it could depend on where you grew up. I think Longest Yard would be slightly more obscure compared to Space Jam, but they even did a new Space Jam movie somewhat recently starring Lebron James

[orchid acorn]

the main pain point for me in pyre is that its not voice acted

or well, it is but its in a fictional language with limited voice lines per char

so you just end up hearing bagagah? 10000 times

[oak ivy]

Pronto doesn't know how to read 💔

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-cat-hitting-cat-cat-punching-cat-cat-slapping-cat-orange-cat-hitting-cat-gif-6585435513579432745

i have read more visual novels then you have read books in your life

[oak ivy]

That gif is so funny hahahhahaha

[hybrid gulch]

Sorry, what do you mean? Main point as in "one of its strongest features"?

or one of its worst? lol

[orchid acorn]

main pain point

[hybrid gulch]

ahhh ok

misread that lol

[limpid oar]

Voice acting is a downside, that's why i play the hades games muted

[oak ivy]

NSFW visual novels don't count

[orchid acorn]

ok even removing those its still higher

[hybrid gulch]

to each their own! I love the voice acting in these games

[humble urchin]

Given the choice between Malice in Kind and Corossion on sight, which would you guys go with?

Corossion on sight feels like it adds up big time over the course of the run, but Malice in kind sounds huge for bosses

[orchid acorn]

malice in kind is ass

[oak ivy]

Malice in kind is one of the worst boons

[oak ivy]

Wow jinx

[limpid oar]

You guys remember the names of Medea boons?

[orchid acorn]

no but i do remember ass boons

[humble urchin]

i mean 15% is a big chunk in terms of a boss no?

[orchid acorn]

yeah that would be pretty good

[humble urchin]

im not defending it btw, just trying to understand why its so ass

[orchid acorn]

except its not 15%.

its 15% of its current hp

[oak ivy]

It's 15% of their current health.... Not total...

[humble urchin]

oh

welp thats another medea boon im never pressing lol

real glad i came and asked here lol

[orchid acorn]

even at 15% it would suck ass because the condition is losing a death defiance. Specifically stalwart stand is the only reason it would be good

[oak ivy]

So if the boss is at 20% hp you'll do like 2-3% dmg of their total hp

[limpid oar]

Real UW gamers don't even know what the Medea boons are

[orchid acorn]

but guess what - even if it was 15% max hp it would still have bad uses because hp gates exist

[humble urchin]

yeah that was gonna be my followup question, if it negates hp gates with phases

[orchid acorn]

prom at 70%? You only deal 4% damage and send him into memory game

[humble urchin]

hey i classify myself as un UW gamer i just want that damn 3rd statue

[orchid acorn]

plus again - you can't really control dying

nor would you... yknow want to die for a measly 15% damage

MAYBE trade a DD for a guaranteed execute at 15%

but again - you lose nothing by trying to win normally

and if you lose the dd you kill them anyway

[limpid oar]

If it was 15% max I'd click it because you're going to use DDs anyway and it's free damage

[orchid acorn]

so... the boon just kinda sucks no matter what

I think it needs to be max hp and be like 20%

or ignore phase gates but that sounds like its asking for bugs

[limpid oar]

You pop a dd during the baby phase, Typhon just dies ez

[orchid acorn]

wouldn't work

i believe typhon doesn't have an HP bar during that phase defined, and chronos doesn't have one either so the damage would get negated.

Even assuming the hypothetical of the 10k hp phase, it would only deal the 1500 but its clearly defined to start after babality

[merry whale]

isn't babality typhon also a different entity entirely

[orchid acorn]

mmm yes/no

its like chronos phase changes

same unit, entirely new hp bar with new moves

[merry whale]

ah i see

[orchid acorn]

first part of typhon has hp gates in his normal 65k hp bar or whatever it is

after bability he comes back with a new 10k hp bar and weakened moves

[merry whale]

btw am i crazy or does chronos' orb circles morph in radius

like it feels like instead of following a clear circle they kinda start expanding their path

[orchid acorn]

its an oval not a circle

[merry whale]

ah, still a weird path

prob why i've accepted to not think about dodging them

[hybrid gulch]

Just gotta remember the 5 Ds! Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge

[merry whale]

dodge (move) and dodge (rng)

[oak ivy]

and dodge (daze rng)

[merry whale]

tru

[fathom lake]

And dds

[deathdefiances]

[orchid acorn]

i thought circe had those

[loud sail]

Which Scylla and the sirens song is you guys' favorite

[orchid acorn]

coral crown is the hit debut single for a reason

coral crown>rock and a hard place > claw imo

[raven perch]

Claw but I also like rock… coral is my least fave ….

Coral is too simple

[loud sail]

Rock in a hard place is really good I think

[orchid acorn]

whaaat

[hybrid gulch]

I'm a fan of the classic. Side note, I love that the wiki page for them includes a "discography" section

[orchid acorn]

i find claw to be kinda rushed, i liked it at first but i never really go out of my way to listen to it

claw has a banger biome track though

[raven perch]

Claw is the one I always end up singing to myself, Coral is forgettable

[orchid acorn]

iwth the background singing

but the actual song isn't bad it just isnt good

[loud sail]

Yeah

[hybrid gulch]

The only Scylla line I ever find myself humming or singing in my head is 'I am going to claw out your eyes..."

but at this point I've heard it so many times that it's inescapable

[vital pine]

Claw is definitely the earworm for me

That said I found some covers recently I LOVE

[hearty fog]

Coral Crown has the better chorus, I Am Gonna Claw has better verses.

[hybrid gulch]

Whatever each person's favorite song is, the fight is a masterpiece in game design

[hearty fog]

Scylla or Kendrick Lamar, who had the better disstrack in 2024?

[little frost]

rock and a hard place sweep tbh

[limpid oar]

Imo it's rock and a hard place > coral crown > i am gonna claw

(but I do like them all)

[sleek oar]

I got all of them om my playlist

But i am gonna claw is definitely the catchiest

[oak ivy]

wow at least one other person that shares my opinion

🙏

@limpid oar since you have such good taste, go play silksong now

[limpid oar]

I'll play it at some point, rn I'm low-key too skint to buy it

[oak ivy]

unfortunate 😔

[limpid oar]

I am also wondering if I should play the first Hollow Knight before

[oak ivy]

oh yeah you should!!

it adds a lot to the experience of Silksong in my opinion

Silksong is one of the best games in the world, ||much better than even hades 2 in my opinion, despite me loving hades a lot too 💔||
but the original hollow knight is still extremely good too

[quaint pumice]

silksong is also harder significantly compared to hk

[oak ivy]

yeah it's quite challenging too..

[limpid oar]

oh is it? I am not a platformer pro, is that gonna be an issue 😭

[oak ivy]

if you can do Hollow Knight you'll manage silksong!

[quaint pumice]

actually i find platforming easier than the first game

the combat is harder

[oak ivy]

the beginning will be a bit difficult but it will click for you eventually

[quaint pumice]

but it should be fine

[orchid acorn]

yeah i go back and forth on those two but ultimately i think cc has to be on top

i havent outright googled rock yet but have for coral crown multiple times

both bangers tho

[quaint pumice]

rock and a hard place's title is meant to be a reference to a similar saying involving scylla and charydbis iirc

[limpid oar]

I wish I could be between Scylla and Charybdis

[quaint pumice]

lets not get too freaky about tentacle creatures here

[hybrid gulch]

no kink shaming

[limpid oar]

Coral Crown was the best sgg song since Transistor

[oak ivy]

the worst sentence I've seen all week!!!

[limpid oar]

...It's Monday

[orchid acorn]

that means its gonna get worse

[oak ivy]

oh... well I meant like in the last 7 days

[limpid oar]

well you are around so that's a given

[merry whale]

must be a monday

[humble urchin]

sure is

[hybrid gulch]

unless 1.0 releases 😄

[limpid oar]

oh yeah that's tomorrow

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1ddyybn/song_of_the_sirenscoral_crown_roxysashley/ wait why have i never seen this

this is so sick

[hybrid gulch]

oh neat, will have to listen later. I haven't done this with H2 but I remember playing around with the H1 files a few years ago. I had no prior experience with this but I was curious whether you could find all the audio files and actually use them. They aren't sitting there as mp3s or whatever but I think there was one file which you could open with some free software that had every single line from the game in it (broken out)

[sleek oar]

Some countries start their weeks on tuesday (for some reason)

[hybrid gulch]

and I've wondered if the same is true for H2 but haven't bothered doing any digging

[limpid oar]

the devs are based and if you want to look at the code, you can just like do it

[oak ivy]

counter-point: I am not smart enough to just do it

[hybrid gulch]

same but with the audio stuff, at least for H1, it was a simple enough task that even a person like me who had zero experience could get access to every audio file in the game with relative ease

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-solana-sol-puzzle-gif-16241396828012290675

[orchid acorn]

real and true

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/have-at-thee-ratatouille-gif-11199067726130995678

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/blocked-blocked-cat-block-block-cat-cat-block-gif-12390661323466413430

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-sunakook-tired-exhausted-gif-4799382186862787764

[limpid oar]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HYHfMDjUks8?feature=share

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/me-outside-your-house-me-caption-meme-walter-white-gif-15099266937969397507

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-going-to-triple-lock-the-door-harold-and-the-purple-crayon-i'm-going-to-make-sure-the-door-is-locked-sony-pictures-gif-9018496221526581648

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/big-bird-big-bird-kick-door-kick-in-the-door-big-bird-rampage-big-bird-door-gif-4872603856170519618

[oak ivy]

okay this gif is so funny

[hybrid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/daddys-home2-daddys-home2gifs-stop-it-stop-that-i-mean-it-gif-9694318

honestly not even sure I knew we could post gifs lol

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/my-favorite-ok-bye-gif-198821700557392907

[oak ivy]

I give up ✋ 🤚

[orchid acorn]

surrender was never an option

[hybrid gulch]

wait come back! it's not exactly boring when you aren't around...but it doesn't quite feel like h2-discussion without Pronto

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-3584473422170938815

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/molorant-ckaz-surrender-gif-24536611

[little frost]

hades 2

[oak ivy]

(mods don't click on this message!!!) ||silksong||

[smoky rover]

hades 2

[little frost]

straight to jail

[oak ivy]

😔

[limpid oar]

Pronto literally killed chat

[oak ivy]

he has more power here than the mods lowkey 😔

[limpid oar]

Pronto just existing is worse than mods setting the slow mode timer to a minute

[little frost]

who's pronto

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-arrival-avengers-gif-10391688

[orchid acorn]

bro its because i left the chat died

[little frost]

??? who tf are you dude

never seen you here before

actin all mysterious

chat do we recognize this guy

[orchid acorn]

they call me the shredder

cause all my feedback goes into one

[crude dragon]

Yo, like the Ninja Turtles guy?

[oak ivy]

I think it's the guy who posts bad feedback sometimes...

🤭

[little frost]

never seen his feedback before so maybe a diff server?

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/choke-gif-934748093674899292

[hasty ocean]

Only sometimes?

[orchid acorn]

bullying me

[vital hollow]

What, from what I’ve seen their feedback seems pretty reasonable to me

[oak ivy]

we're joking, mr. person 😔

[quaint pumice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246073267752534057/1347599508971720775/togif-1.gif

[oak ivy]

we have a very particular sense of humor in this server

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/andersomviolao-gif-12381443319241980618

need to edit this gif to say pronto feedback and sgg headquarters at the bottom

[quaint pumice]

i have several permutations of the paper shredder gif related to game feedback in favorite gifs

[oak ivy]

this is what SSG hq look like probably: (with how much you yap in the feedback channel)

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-gif-27175424

[quaint pumice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/911561413884002315/973195970445738034/image0-59.gif?ex=68c019e0&is=68bec860&hm=98249843b2969413c46a347fa11826467b6c8e73d413e5c6e7212cd468bb9d55&=

took a while to scroll

[hearty fog]

I got my feedback of "Rocket Bomb should get nerfed back to 80 damage" when Hades was in Early Access. I think the final count was 1 thumbs-up and 28 down?

It's still the best Hammer on Exagryph.

[little mason]

haelian said 1.0 is coming tommorow

[merry whale]

bro is Dazed

[sleek oar]

Its always tomorrow

[dusty tapir]

Tommorow Never Comes

[tawny quest]

how do i find entropy

[little frost]

secret :)

aka not in the game

[merry whale]

heat death of universe

[tawny quest]

what was added in v1.0 ?

[merry whale]

entropy (maybe)

1.0 isn't out yet so no one knows

[tawny quest]

oh thought it was

thanks

[little frost]

roadmap is still on the main menu if u are curious to see what the plans are

[hybrid gulch]

when it does release for real, it will probably be quite apparent as this channel will either explode or become dead silent

[humble urchin]

alright fellas im in a bit of a pickle

got 1 DD heading into summit, should i athena keepsake, lose said DD and bank on renewed faith with 2 rerolls? or should i just tooth/pin

[sleek oar]

Pin i feel like

No strength feels horribly imo 🤧🤧

[dusty tapir]

Or just take more damage

[sleek oar]

But also i suck ar the game so idk

[humble urchin]

i am too skill issue at the game to run strength

[dusty tapir]

Fleece? You doing omega things?

[limpid oar]

you will have to download it for yourself to check, the patch is up on Steam rn, coming to Epic tomorrow

[dusty tapir]

XD

[humble urchin]

yeah moros, but i dont trust myself to not outright die

[idle crater]

do you have any rerolls

[dusty tapir]

Or like Gamble on hammer or Embryo

[humble urchin]

3, so enough for 2 rerolls

[idle crater]

also, how much magic do you have to spare if you had to take stalwart stand as a replacement

[sleek oar]

Plus i feel like 80% of the time there will be a dd to buy before typhon

[tawny quest]

what

[dusty tapir]

Is a joke

[humble urchin]

my damage is ok, but im not that good at dodging honestly evadable damage

[dusty tapir]

no steam patch

[humble urchin]

stalwart would absolutely cook me. hubris already is priming a lot of my magick

[dusty tapir]

hence why you just take damage and pray you kill fast enough

[tawny quest]

what does the sg next to his name mean

[sleek oar]

Supergiant

As in the company behind these games

[tawny quest]

is he with them

[sleek oar]

No you can get it too 😭

Its a discord feature

[tawny quest]

how do i tell if someone is with them

[limpid oar]

no you have to sign a contract with the company to get the tag fr fr

[dusty tapir]

Trust us, if 1.0 was here you would see a lot more text than that

[tawny quest]

thought it was real

[limpid oar]

it's one of the employee benefits

[sleek oar]

They got the red name

[sleek oar]

Hook me up w a job bro 🤧

[tawny quest]

thanks

[dusty tapir]

Anyway, I would just Fleece and go, 51 or 30 hp is probably not gonna save yoiu

[sleek oar]

Omg dyno is back

[idle crater]

okay, so with two rerolls you'll probably get it

[limpid oar]

I got pinged and then dyno deleted the message, did I get called names? 😭

[idle crater]

if you dont want to take the risk i would go with something else though

[tawny quest]

just said

[dusty tapir]

tbh you did make me close the game and look at steam just in case

[sleek oar]

Thats a little rude

[limpid oar]

oh okie

[dusty tapir]

so bit of a rude move 😛

[tawny quest]

id assume only mods would have that

got genuinely excited

[dusty tapir]

What got me for a second is that I did get a little pinwheel loading symbol over the game in my library for a split second for some reason which made my hear skip a beat

[tawny quest]

anyway

[limpid oar]

good night mate 👋

[frank mulch]

glad dyno is back sad dyno was gone long enough to get people start comfortably swear again

[smoky rover]

you know what will happen? the slowmode will be increased to at least 5 minutes

[limpid oar]

wait was Dyno actually gone? I missed the Australian era in the server

[frank mulch]

ya for a while

[hybrid gulch]

that will be rough. This server kinda spoils us. Some official servers have 1 minute slow mode on basically all the time (for good reason but still very annoying)

[smoky rover]

I can see no good reason for that

in a general chat, anyway

even these 5 seconds are unnecessary

it's the same 20 people talking, and at most 5-9 at a time

[dusty tapir]

They might want to be able to spot questions or whatnot as they go by

[hybrid gulch]

Someone else can chime in if they want. I'd rather avoid debates about things I have no control over today 🤣

[smoky rover]

that's what feedback is for, is it not?

[uncut galleon]

does dyno's return tell us anything about a 1.0 announcement? taking bets now

[dusty tapir]

True but come release?

LOL

[frank mulch]

i asked to lower the slowdown and i will ask to raise it. get your 6 hour scrolls in now.

[smoky rover]

see, hades 2 is releasing tomorrow

it's always tomorrow, and if not tomorrow, then tomorrow after that

[limpid oar]

chat AD just moved the timer back to 10 seconds, release confirmed

[frank mulch]

yes. release the hounds

[dusty tapir]

Dyno back, mod in chat, read the signs people!

[frank mulch]

i live here

[hybrid gulch]

Schrodingers release date

[smoky rover]

the signs?

maybe hades 2 yesterday...?

[polar abyss]

The day the 6 hour chat cooldown is added, is the day when Hades 2 1.0 releases.

[hybrid gulch]

Are mods that rare? I feel like I see a purple name at least a couple times a day 😄

[sleek oar]

Hades 2 on sep17th

[dusty tapir]

Remind me, does SG ever* put up release dates or are they known for just dropping stuff?

[smoky rover]

don't think I ever saw one other than ad

I'm not too active in here though

[sleek oar]

Ive seen more mods these past few days i feel like

[hybrid gulch]

they're always lurking in the shadows regardless, haha

[limpid oar]

I see aggy semi-frequently too

[sleek oar]

Signs or whatnot

[dusty tapir]

yeah yeah, getting the place ready XD

[hybrid gulch]

I want one of the red names to pop in on the morning of the release day, just say something like "It is time" and then not respond to anything. Shortly after, the announcement is dropped and the game is released

[smoky rover]

can grand caldera be pommed

[radiant swallow]

I managed to get to Chronos on night 9, but only got to phase 2 and then died

[hybrid gulch]

Well then you were almost there!

[dusty tapir]

Careful not to give one of them funny ideas

[polar abyss]

Better idea. Say “It is time”. And do nothing for a few hours.

Then drop the game at the most random time possible. Like a very early Sunday morning

[smoky rover]

or a few years

let the community develop like the hollow knight developers have

[uncut galleon]

does echo's survive survive survive refill used dds even when i already refilled them through other means?

[polar abyss]

It will refill all DDs that are empty at the time of the boon selected.

But I don’t think it affects the Pin DD if you take self damage in Echo’s encounter

[uncut galleon]

aw, ok. thanks!

also, i think i just saw a second gigantic severed head (the "woman") for the first time but left the room too quickly to look at it? now i wonder if i simply didn't notice it the hundreds of other times i was in the fields of mourning

[orchid acorn]

thats the neat part

tomorrow is always tomorrow, never today

[hybrid gulch]

we have very different definitions of neat 😄

[orchid acorn]

wait its 10s again? noooo

its 5

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-lies-lie-internet-lie-stop-lying-gif-16106191074125891844

[broken glen]

Every time someone mentions 1.0 it increases by 5 seconds

[hybrid gulch]

If this channel wasn't allowed to talk about 1.0 launch, it would be like the blip - suddenly half the people just go poof

[polar abyss]

But every time someone mentions 0.1 it decreases by 0.5 seconds.

[broken glen]

The timer is reset when someone comments on how the devs should take all the time they need to deliver us the best experience possible

[sleek oar]

Long delays give the feeling of talking through carrier pigeons

[polar abyss]

Reset to 0? Or to the countdown?

[broken glen]

real

[broken glen]

Back to 5 seconds

[oak ivy]

I love #h2-discussion

[humble urchin]

#h2-discussion loves lilac

[oak ivy]

🥰

[humble urchin]

don’t ask #h2-discussion what they think about Pronto though

[oak ivy]

you gotta chat more in here to earn the status of a local 😔

[sour flower]

im good just want a place to discuss hades not this cj yall got going on

[humble urchin]

aka just be a yapper

[oak ivy]

why'd you delete your message briyaki? you make me look like an insane person

chat I am not not talking to myself!!!!!!!!!!

[oak ivy]

you're missing out but that's okay

[humble urchin]

sureeee lilac whatever helps you sleep at night

[quaint pumice]

this chat is anything but hades atp

[orchid acorn]

https://img.ifunny.co/images/d8e91f1d00d5448cafb799ac3f6328cef7c5cb6994abad4fd4edf41a3102c3c6_1.jpg

ifunny 🥀

[quaint pumice]

might as well just rename this to off-topic :clueless:

[oak ivy]

lmaooo

[quaint pumice]

chill with ifunny hate bro

[oak ivy]

or rather... hades has transformed to become everything!!

[urban topaz]

Hm I didn't knew a dev called Jonathan

[polar abyss]

No it is. This channel is a Hades fanfiction ytp

[oak ivy]

I've seen him a couple of times!

[little frost]

what do you track their movements and names or something?

[oak ivy]

I used to keep a documented list of all the times when Greg usually shows up online to notice any abnormalities to try and see if I can predict the day 1.0 will happen on

[urban topaz]

No, I just remember the most actives (like Greg and Nikola)

[oak ivy]

||(i'm joking btw)||

but so far there has been no particular pattern that I can attest to....

[hybrid gulch]

not that you've been tracking it...

[polar abyss]

Clearly Lilac is joking about the “used to” part.

[oak ivy]

yeah exactly!

[polar abyss]

Because she is keeping it going /s

[oak ivy]

🤭

[hybrid gulch]

If there is one thing that binds all Hades players, it's predicting the release date. If there's one thing that separates Hades players, it's...their prediction of the release date 😄

[oak ivy]

September 17, ALL IN!!!

[hybrid gulch]

I see no reason to doubt that!

[little frost]

feb 2026 still looking good

[urban topaz]

To match with the previous game

[urban topaz]

SGG could just kill me instead

[polar abyss]

Lilac has the right idea. September 17th, 2026

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/groundhog-groundhog-eating-gif-27654631

[polar abyss]

You were the one who said it! Not me

[hybrid gulch]

I mean to the extent that they are functionally ready to hit the "release" button within a small window around the 17th, I could see them targeting that date just to match H1 but I've always held that they are probably not waiting on anything, whether it's another game release or whatever, and will simply release the game on the exact day they feel they are "finished"

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spare-change-spare-some-change-begging-poor-gif-9315673697032535237

lilac sept 18th 2025 colorized

[polar abyss]

What if it’s a bet against the 17th?

[oak ivy]

that's already me after the August gang had fallen 💔

[polar abyss]

And she’s convincing everyone else to bet on the 17th?

[orchid acorn]

still applies cause she looks like that normally

[oak ivy]

lmaooo

[orchid acorn]

i made that gif with a picture she sent me with the caption "fit check", its true

[hybrid gulch]

#trustmebro

[oak ivy]

😭

you're writing fanfic about me, how cute

[orchid acorn]

😭

[oak ivy]

it's okay I have silksong, so your words can no longer hurt me ❤️

[orchid acorn]

real

now i need to nap after 4 double shifts

[oak ivy]

oh jeez

[orchid acorn]

goodbye chat

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-meme-gif-23117226

[little frost]

bros being exploited 💀 💀 🥀 💔

[humble urchin]

after HOW MANY double shifts?

[hybrid gulch]

4

[little frost]

https://tenor.com/view/fantastic-mr-fantastic-invisible-woman-human-torch-the-thing-gif-6293013181369359279

[hybrid gulch]

I dunno where Pronto works but a double shift can really mean anything. Long ago when I worked in the service industry, a double was just two 4 hour shifts in most cases. A double for someone like a nurse is probably drastically longer

[hearty fog]

Don't you group me in with you maniacs, I remember Iwata-sama's words.

[little frost]

aye, my point has not changed

just like how in hades 2, you can exploit your foes' weaknesses by utilizing your cast to lock them in place, and potentially provide a damage boost to all foes within your cast!

[dim kernel]

1.0 tomorrow

[tacit light]

PLEASEEEE

[kindred shard]

Seeing the discussion become less and less general game trivia and more WHERE IS THE GAME has been very fun

Like over the course of the past 2 weeks

[hybrid gulch]

oh it cycles in and out. Definitely not unique to the last 2 weeks, haha

[tacit light]

Yeah 😪

[craggy oriole]

I wouldn't expect anything till mid-late October at the earliest.

[hybrid gulch]

welp, you're as likely to be right as anyone else, lol. (ok maybe not anyone, but no one outside of SGG is doing anything but pure speculation)

[tacit light]

I need them to drop a date so bad im gonna explode

[hybrid gulch]

I don't think they even really gave a date when Hades 1 released, did they? The announcement was "It's out now" basically

[little mason]

thats just constapation

[tacit light]

Yep 😿

[tacit light]

LOL

[kindred shard]

idk i feel like the release situation of 1 compared to 2 means 2 at least gets a release date

a lot more people are waiting for 2 i feel

[tacit light]

I hope you’re right, for all of our sakes

[mystic storm]

Maxing bonds with the characters gives any buffs to the trinkets?

[fathom lake]

It just looks cutely in the keepsake

[mystic storm]

I really hope they change that

[dim kernel]

i wouldnt expect anything until tomorrow at the latest

[vast coyote]

FINALLY BEAT UR SCYLLA

HOLY CHARYBDIS IS ANNOYING

[fathom lake]

yes its is annoying

[little mason]

those guys who keep saying the patch is tommorow is annooyying too

😭

[wanton shore]

where did that info/rumor come from

[lament surge]

Guys when is the launch date?

[fathom lake]

Tomorrow!

[mystic storm]

https://tenor.com/view/restless-gif-3648438838645787085

[hybrid gulch]

There's no rumor, lol. The ONLY reliable info on a release date will come from SGG themselves. Not randos in the Discord

[fathom lake]

Lvl 9 heroic extra dose on thanathos

bottom text

and i have no dds F

[covert badge]

ppl really want to scrub the intent of the dialogue squeaky clean huh

[oak ivy]

from me

my dad's uncle's grandfather works at SGG!!!

[vast coyote]

Winnable

[fathom lake]

Died

[vast coyote]

F

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/delusional-delusion-cat-cats-gif-17700801504121382466

[raven perch]

Let’s post this gif always whenever pronto makes a feedback

[orchid acorn]

😔 i am hated for my vision

[indigo cypress]

Lowkey I'm trying to think back on the worst and most crazy Pronto feedback and the ones I can think of are pretty tame

[little mason]

ur vision went away after 2020

[indigo cypress]

Several other examples of worst feedback from other ppl come to mind 1st

[little mason]

i put feedback for multiplayer coop or battle royale

even zagerus instead of mel as a main character

[indigo cypress]

But like that's obv a joke, I'm talking ab ppl who were fully serious 💀

[raven perch]

I’ll kill you

[little mason]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-world-of-warcraft-wow-how-do-you-kill-that-which-has-no-life-no-life-gif-18347088

[indigo cypress]

Like the person who wrote a letter asking for an incantation to delete the Cereberus boss fight

[raven perch]

Does anyone else get dyno prompts when typing slashes

[little mason]

dynos are extinct dude

[indigo cypress]

Iike this /

Nope no Dyno

[raven perch]

Weirddd I’ve been having problems with this server

[indigo cypress]

Maybe Dyno has beef w you

[orchid acorn]

meow is getting excuted soon

😔 rip

[indigo cypress]

Who will do lore and character analysis now 😔

[raven perch]

finally

God take me I’m ready

[orchid acorn]

blood sacrifice required for h2

[raven perch]

I will offer myself as tribute

i can literally play wordle

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956270386155253823/1414806643824394373/IMG_3536.png?ex=68c0e8dd&is=68bf975d&hm=c419f6a17fa9b9846a61c5cee7f48480feaeef5fbbc4d7393a6d319c919d61a3&

Do you guys really not have these prompts?

[indigo cypress]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1411506140683964519/1414806974205395005/image0.jpg?ex=68c0e92c&is=68bf97ac&hm=21538f796770375c557768dd57f7b5d0f8732665c3b6e72d046bcc8eff2ec242&

[raven perch]

So you do get the prompts they just don’t work

[indigo cypress]

Darn I tried to do dyno dadjoke

And it said fun is disabled 😔

[raven perch]

lol

I don’t think this is intentional

[broken glen]

https://tenor.com/view/no-fun-allowed-no-fun-sonic-gif-3237927308381590617

[humble urchin]

probably is, to avoid spam

[indigo cypress]

Well we weren't able to put in commands at all before

[raven perch]

No I mean I don’t think we’re supposed to see the commands

[indigo cypress]

Like disabling def intentional but you shouldn't be able to even try

[humble urchin]

hmm i just checked and im not seeing an explicit separation between seeing the command and actually using them

[short sun]

shay2theslay

User Avatar

[indigo cypress]

Oh can everyone see this

[broken glen]

Experiments are currently underway

[indigo cypress]

Ok so that means some of the commands work and some of them don't 😭

Like /help worked too

[raven perch]

It should

There seems to be a section of commands for fun that are disabled but the others work fine

┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

This one is built in apparently

[short sun]

60 Static, 11 Animated (71) Total

[indigo cypress]

The concept of contemplating flipping a table

[short sun]

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@raven perch

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ID: 430618599917355011 · Sep 9, 2025, 3:09 AM

[raven perch]

That’s me!

Dear god

[indigo cypress]

Oh yeah they def got to get rid of this

I can’t delete it either bc it's Dyno

[arctic fog]

Im tired of spending money on disappointing drinks

[indigo cypress]

What drink did u get

[turbid mist]

has anyone played with the god mode setting? If so what does it do

[indigo cypress]

Every time you die it reduces dmg I believe, your current reduction will be shown with the rest of boon info as its own icon

[turbid mist]

incoming dmg or outgoing dmg

[indigo cypress]

Incoming, dmg you take from enemies

[turbid mist]

ohh so its like a buff

[short sun]

Added highlight for 1.0.

[turbid mist]

i thought it'll spike the difficulty

[indigo cypress]

Something like that may or may not be added in 1.0, if it is it'll be called Hell Mode and require you to finish the game first (sort of like a ng+)

It was in the 1st game but so far hasn't been added to this one

[indigo cypress]

What did that do 💀

[raven perch]

Don’t mess with it

[indigo cypress]

You're right I'm getting carried away can't go fully mad scientist mode

[arctic fog]

Watery latte

[indigo cypress]

I never trust watery drinks

Always easy ice

[arctic fog]

I usually like easy ice but I also usually vacuum my drinks down quickly so the ice doesn’t melt

Well

Extra hydration ig

[turbid mist]

yea thats what i remembered

dumb question but does hades 2 also have the restrictions of boons from only 4 gods?

[indigo cypress]

Yes minus some exceptions with mystery boons, god keepsakes and Echo's boon boon boon

[oak ivy]

nothing tastes worse than a latte that is watery 😭

I hate itttttttt

[hearty timber]

Thanks it worked

[shadow grotto]

Platformer Hades game

[orchid acorn]

actually so real

my fat ass is a vacuum that turns drinks into empty cups within 2 minutes

cannot stand these mfs that be drinking the same drink for 4 hours

[oak ivy]

Have you heard of... The concept of... Savouring your food??????

You enjoy it a lot more that way!!!

[orchid acorn]

yeah and guess what lilac

[arctic fog]

I think there’s a healthy in between

[oak ivy]

When you don't just vacuum

[orchid acorn]

if i like the taste of my food

i want to taste more of it

its an infinite feedback loop

[arctic fog]

If a drink is watery from ice or lukewarm instead of nice and hot then you’re not really savoring it at that point 🙁

[oak ivy]

Yeah but if you vacuum it, it's not the same

[orchid acorn]

take bite > that was good, another > repeat

[oak ivy]

Vacuuming your food has a specific context to it

[arctic fog]

Ok fair

[orchid acorn]

your gonna savor the remaining air as i choke you to death

[oak ivy]

Don't pretend to not understand what I mean

[orchid acorn]

like im not outright patrick staring the food

but i am more or less shoveling it

chicken fried steak 🤤

[arctic fog]

I used the word vacuum for dramatic flair 😭 I just drink and savor relatively quickly

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/tentofate-elmo-elmo-staring-gif-11901234066681497328

[orchid acorn]

your the one on the left

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-meme-elmo-stare-elmo-angry-memes-memes2023-gif-27709373

[arctic fog]

Lmfaoo

[oak ivy]

It's ok to have bad reading comprehension and not understand the nuances of words and only read other people's messages in the worst possible way 💔

I forgive you

[arctic fog]

Well my latte sucked

I finished it at least

[oak ivy]

Pronto is gone now... That sentence was too long for him to read it.... 😔

[arctic fog]

Nah pronto lives for long paragraphs

[oak ivy]

I'd rather just have regular water at that point haha

[arctic fog]

Although maybe he only lives to write them, not read them

[orchid acorn]

[arctic fog]

I was thinking that while drinking it honestly

[orchid acorn]

regular water is goated

[arctic fog]

Waking up groggy at 4 am and drinking water straight from the faucet… 🤤

No latte can top that specific experience

[oak ivy]

Poison cure water in the styx area in h1 is the best drink fr fr

[orchid acorn]

i be having dry mouth lately when i wake up 😔

water in the middle of the night is so good

[elfin heron]

i cant click the server roles :<

[kind merlin]

I can't click the roles too :'/

[indigo cypress]

Oh you're right it's broken

[gaunt glacier]

staff was always strong, it just had a much higher skill ceiling than the current iteration of staff

[gaunt glacier]

momus was insane pre unseen idk what you're on about

[gaunt glacier]

im still convinced it was a targeted nerf. There was like maybe 3 other people that I know of that was doing the things I was doing with the staff pre unseen, and for momus to be nerfed but like Medea being largely unchanged is insane

and pre rework circe was also insanely strong people were just bad at using it

[little mason]

just like u and axe.

[gaunt glacier]

why the axe?

[little mason]

why do you have to axe?

[gaunt glacier]

I don't understand your question

[hallow vault]

I Love how u can see the Budget increase everywhere

[indigo cypress]

Wait you mean higher skill floor right

Or are u saying u believe optimal staff has been nerfed

[gaunt glacier]

im saying that the skill required for optimal staff gameplay has been reduced

[indigo cypress]

Oh ok

Well yeah the old non Momus staff aspects were useless

Especially Serenity Circe

[gaunt glacier]

Serenity Circe was easily top 10

like comfortably in the 6-10 range

but the technical skill required to make it consistently good was incredibly high

[indigo cypress]

I mean that's not really much of a compliment when most of the aspects in the game weren't well thought out at that point 💀

[gaunt glacier]

by the end of warsong? every aspect had multiple 50F clears

and i am referring to the version of serenity circe in warsong before it got reworked in unseen

[indigo cypress]

If we're talking purely ab skill ceiling ie which weapons had the best form of skill expression it's not just ab clears

What matters is how well the aspect's gimmick can perform and contributes to the victory

[gaunt glacier]

yes and circe's aspect gimmick was integral to the success of circe

[indigo cypress]

If that was the case you'd see it vastly outperforming the other staffs in time

[gaunt glacier]

i guess let me reiterate

[indigo cypress]

And also like ability to clear =/= how well a weapon is designed, like Artemis 62f does not change my mind that the aspect is badly designed 😭

[gaunt glacier]

circe as an aspect was severely underrated because not many people took the time to properly learn how to omega cycle and fully maximize the serenity buff and stacking. With the needed technical skill, it absolute was a strong aspect. In terms of the peaks of staff, Momus was simply stronger at the time despite being easier to play

[marsh spear]

Flood Gain makes Old Circe obsolete imo

[indigo cypress]

I guess but at the end of the day it was cut bc:
A) It overlapped too much with the old Mel, hence why they both had to go
B) Flood gain basically emulates Serenity, and if you still want the omega bonus it's on Moon Water

[gaunt glacier]

ok i disagree pretty hard

[marsh spear]

🍿

[merry whale]

considering flood gain also has the bug of mirrored thrasher spam,,

[gaunt glacier]

1. Flood gain absolutely does not make the effect of Serenity obsolete on the sole basis that it requires a boon, which is an investment you need to make. It means Poseidon is forced into your build, and that is not something you want to have every run
2. Sure I do agree that it had significant overlap with Old Mel Staff, but it doesn't explain why both had to go. Just change one to have less overlap and leave the other.

[indigo cypress]

Okay I have a genuine question, let's put aside this skill ceiling and skill floor stuff

Did you genuinely enjoy playing old Circe more than double cast Circe?

[gaunt glacier]

absolutely yes

[indigo cypress]

Do you think Serenity Circe is a better designed aspect than Double Cast Circe?

[gaunt glacier]

yes

[marsh spear]

Gotta be trolling

[merry whale]

i think like overall gutting staff omegas to the point where not using omegas is the meta kinda sucks

[gaunt glacier]

let me be clear with one thing so this isnt a waffles and pancakes situation

[indigo cypress]

I will agree w that yeah but it's not really the aspects doing that, it's Hubris Timer and Prime boons

[merry whale]

nah like even if you had infinite magick, omegas are just straight up not worth using compared to normal moves

[indigo cypress]

Mhm yeah that too

[gaunt glacier]

I do think double cast circe is good design in terms of aspect uniqueness. However, I think Serenity circe incentivized a playstyle that fully utilized every aspect of the staff's kit for optimal gameplay. Compared to current circe, where omega moves are avoided for the most part, I think yes it was a better design

[gaunt glacier]

there is 0 incentive to use omegas on staff right now outside of momus, which got nerfed really hard

[merry whale]

i could see them slam old circe onto momus atp considering that momus is suffering

[marsh spear]

I think your reasoning is flawed in believing there has to be a choice

We are in hypothetical land, and old circe isn't coming back, so let's assume they could coexist

[indigo cypress]

Well I think their argument is specifically ab the skill ceiling so they're saying:

"If the optimal way to play is to ignore omegas, than that means the aspect is not designed well"

[marsh spear]

It would be sad tbh

[marsh spear]

That sounds logical to me

[indigo cypress]

Which I will agree is the case but I put that more on omega balance as a whole not on the specific aspect design

[marsh spear]

Agreed

[indigo cypress]

Like if Old Circe were here it would not be thriving in the meta post-rivals anyways

[marsh spear]

Besides Momus is the omega aspect, forcibly.

[indigo cypress]

It would be very hammer dependent

[gaunt glacier]

i agree on the summary, but not really about the skill ceiling. But I also do agree with the second point that it wouldn't be thriving in rivals

the rivals fights are probably the single biggest indirect nerf to momus

in fights where mobility is so heavily emphasized, having to stand still to channel omegas is just far too risky for the potential payoff

[marsh spear]

Momus only really needs a shorter timer and full inheritance of boons

[gaunt glacier]

and i think its actually more of a flaw on the rivals design than it is the omega move system

[crude dragon]

I assume this is non-hidden staff, since Anubis is its own rule set?

[gaunt glacier]

even on anubis, you can easily succeed without any omegas

[gaunt glacier]

especially considering the omega moves were completely fine pre rivals

[indigo cypress]

Isn't that what we want tho? A choice where both kinda playstyles can be equally viable? Or do you want a kind of balance where every weapon has to use all of its omegas to be optimal, even something like Medea?

[gaunt glacier]

i dont think its a design flaw necessarily, more that I believe the current omega system is outdated in its approach with SGGs current design philosophy around the rivals fights

[merry whale]

i think both should be valid playstyles where weaving omegas becomes inherently more powerful

[indigo cypress]

Mhm that makes sense

[gaunt glacier]

1. Using omegas on Medea is optimal. You should be using omega moves between waves to speed up your clears
2. See above on my belief on the omega system. I agree with you that there should be a choice. My issue with the omega system is with how the current rivals fights are structured, staff omegas are essentially actively discouraged

and theres also the really weird nerf to staff oattack where dashing resets the channel

[merry whale]

using omegas is also a problem like on mel flames where ospecial takes eons to charge, then u can't dash until like .5s after the ospec spawns

[gaunt glacier]

so its even more discouraged to use

[gaunt glacier]

thats a different argument that I will not follow, I am focusing on the staff primarily as my main topic of discussion

[merry whale]

fair, felt like bringing up that it feels like omegas across the board kinda just suck to use rn lmao

[indigo cypress]

Yeah I do hope 1.0 fixes omega vs nonprime balance but it would require such a huge and unlikely overhaul:

• Changes to Arcana (sorcerress not being required, Night not being outclassed except on very specific weapons, Eternity being detrimental on everything except axe omega, Huntress actually rewarding a weaving playstyle like it promises, Unseen actually giving some value)
• A complete rework of the priming magic system, mainly bc of Stalwart and Static Shock
• Rebalancing of rivals enemy patterns so they have windows which actually allow for channel time
• Buffs across the boards to most of the omega moves (except probably Anubis, Morrigan, Charon, Moros, and Shiva)
• The omega enhancements being practical at high fear (mainly Arc Flash and omega casts being dependent on WC and Geyser Spout)
• Buffs to on-hit effects if inflicted by omegas
• Making gain boons less cost under Forfeit Debt and Denial

I just don't think that's gonna happen, but if they did then a weaving playstyle w new Circe being optimal would actually be possible.

Double cast Circe definitely has a lower skill floor than its predecessor, but even with its higher skill floor the old Circe would get outperformed by the new one in the current version of the game. Rather than this being a sign that the new staffs are badly designed, I think:
a) it's a sign that og Circe was unintuitive to use, so it's a good thing it got changed for casual players
b) it's a sign that the game's balance as a whole w omegas vs non-omegas is off, not a problem exclusive to the staff

I guess there's always a chance SG comes out and shuts me up with an amazing 1.0 rebalancing but honestly chances are we'll be stuck with this meta

[elfin heron]

how do i upgrade companions

[indigo cypress]

Alchemy recipe to brew treats with star dust (gotten from Chaos Trials or bought as a limited item from shop Shade), to use treats just walk over to the companions in the training grounds and it'll display 3 upgrade paths of 3 ranks for each of the 5 companions

[limpid oar]

More like you were coping hard enough to use them pre rivals

[gaunt glacier]

you can say coping all you want

momus got a boonless 50, and omegas were a hugr part as to why it worked

so

[limpid oar]

Using the omegas was a challenge run in itself. You were cracked enough with the staff to do challenge runs. I adore all you've done with the weapon Mini but the non-Anubis omegas were ass and they still are ass

[marsh spear]

A patch of this caliber would demand it being at least second to last before release.
I get the feeling they're aiming to release already, so sorry but I doubt we're getting all that rework 😢

[indigo cypress]

Well the good news is that the game is pretty well balanced around a casual experience and up to at least 40F and "Faster than Darkness"

[limpid oar]

Some of the these points may happen, probably not all of them yho

[indigo cypress]

I just don't think I'll be able to recommend getting into speedrun and high-fear to most ppl unless they really like buildmaxxing (and at this point idk if I can recommend the game to story-centric ppl either)

[limpid oar]

Nah, the game is still fire and I'll wholeheartedly recommend it to any friends even if there could be ways of making it even better

[indigo cypress]

Oh 100% agree, just idk if I can recommend it to a player who expresses "I only care about story"

And I would still recommend it to casual players just caution them ab going into high fear and speedrun expecting it to be a perfect experience

[limpid oar]

Weeeeeeell the story isn't out yet, honestly let them cook sgg is great at storytelling

They will nail it

[indigo cypress]

Like this is my steam review, I had to do a link bc it was too long 💀
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KqFNbEnB1BKTyBOjM7U-vJCkmpVm4elYxkWY-Z6caJc/edit?usp=drivesdk

[indigo cypress]

Fair enough, no denying they've got a lot of work to do tho

[limpid oar]

"The game does not offer right stick aiming or a lock-on system.' it does have a lock on though

[indigo cypress]

When I mean lock-on I mean like where you can manually change targets

Think z-targeting from Zelda or the lock-on from Dark Souls

But you're right I'll change the wording to be more specific

[limpid oar]

Ohhh, well i think the controller aim assist does the right thing maybe 80% of the time

[indigo cypress]

I thought so too until I played hordes torch omega attack 💀

Coat also def wasn’t designed for controller, kbm makes such a huge difference

[limpid oar]

Also if you want right stick aiming, steam input lets you. I wasn't a fan because using both the face buttons and right stick felt weird

[limpid oar]

Wait what? Nyx feels so smooth on controller I love it

[indigo cypress]

Controller you can't launch rockets while moving away from the enemy

Hm lowkey I might try that actually, binding right stick to mouse

[limpid oar]

Are you sure? I could swear they've been able to do that for me

[indigo cypress]

It can but it's dependent on the heat seeking

[limpid oar]

And it was part of the appeal even, keeping em at a distance while the rockets wail away

[indigo cypress]

On kbm you can aim the intial distance they go with mouse so it's a lot more consistent

Also omega attack block becoming more reliable once you turn autoaim off

[limpid oar]

Ohhh that's interesting actually

I didn't know you could do anything to the rocket distance, thought you had to vibe with the lock on

[devout abyss]

just got the first 68f clear

you unlock the last fear if you are being hunted

coo! stuff

[uncut galleon]

that's a very in-depth review! are there any games you feel you can play "infinitely without the experience degrading over time"?

[devout abyss]

is eyeframes a joke or a reference to something

[indigo cypress]

I'd prob say Risk of Rain 2 is one of them but that's bc the experience starts out flawed anyways 💀
(and ig if you count dlc the experience technically can degrade over time)

[slim pike]

Coat normal special rockets seem to treat homing in on enemies like a vague suggestion than a feature

[indigo cypress]

No why 😭

[devout abyss]

oh

it's i-frames

like invincibility frames

[indigo cypress]

. . .

[devout abyss]

most people dont put that dash i guess

[indigo cypress]

I'm gonna pretend I knew that

[devout abyss]

iframes

ergo, review invalid

it's also wild to me when i see games that i consider amazing, incredible games getting really negative reviews from people

if i think this stuff is great and they think it's awful, wtf are they playing that's so amazing

like damn you thought hollow knight was a 2/10. what does that mean. where has your life led you what amazing experiences have you had

[indigo cypress]

Eh I think it's moreso we all have different criteria for what makes a game great, although I guess it does beg the question why you leave a negative review

[devout abyss]

ive only ever submitted a review to a website for a game and it was for bloon tower defense 6

[indigo cypress]

Like I think I tried to play Hollow Knight two years ago but it didn't immediately grab my attention (also that map confused the hell out of me) so I never picked it up since (did pick it up on sale the other day tho, I'll see when I get around to it)

[devout abyss]

reviews on websites always feel so, idk, detached

[elfin forge]

how to evade eris lasers

[indigo cypress]

Dodge behind her and detonate bombs yourself from range (also slow walk during phase transitions)

[limpid oar]

Only times when I've reviewed games i spent ages on negatively is if the devs made decisions that made the game much worse than it was before

[merry whale]

i remember being like, yea patch 10 was kinda ass but i was fine w waiting for 1.0 for everything to get polished, so i was surprised patch 11 actually was a thing and i think it was a very good decision in retrospect

[indigo cypress]

If Seismic Hammer stayed in the game I would've forever clowned on that thing

[slim pike]

it was so good... on paper

500 damage kapow with only a 5 second recharge? dang, gimme

but it was so fiddly to proc usefully on anything that wasn't a boss

[sleek oar]

I was doing a heph run

And i got his special to heroic+2, and THEN i got seismic servo, which got the cooldown to 4seconds

After that i got a pom and the special genuinely didnt show up (i had 3 boons, i got 2 options)

Is this like, intended? 😭

Cause ive 100% had runs where i got the duo later and it got the cooldown way lower

[spiral isle]

you can get the cooldown as low as 1.3s

it will be notably rng heavy to get it, though

heph feels very very strong when his kit is complete, but it does need a hefty amount to go right to really make it happen. for starters, you're definitely not doing a blast run with a rare or normal volcanic strike/flourish

definitely a golden standard, I'd say

[orchid acorn]

1.48

due to bath math internally, its not actually 35% faster, its 26%

[slim pike]

Aspect of persephone says hi

[orchid acorn]

tell her to go away and come back when she brings me a pom guaranteed

[slim pike]

Best I can do is a 75% chance at rank 6

[orchid acorn]

ill take it

wait rank 6

baited 😔

[slim pike]

Yes

[tiny relic]

its on the horizon

i can feel it

[lost wing]

yeah, between God Mode and all the story stuff likely being held until launch, game seems like it will be fine for story-centric folks

[lost wing]

distance, or moving fast

[oak ivy]

1.0 today or tomorrow?

[dusky mountain]

next wednesday, on 5th anniversary of H1 launch

whats your top 3 Hades tracks

1.) Witch of Shadows
2.) Olympus Aflame
3.) Death to Chronos

[haughty hill]

you mean you don't already have it?

it became available for download last night...

[oak ivy]

omg flower vendor hiiiii

welcome back

where have you been?

[haughty hill]

as I said the last time I'm busy preparing for Another House Move so I'm probably not going to play until 1.0

[oak ivy]

😔 rip

most of us here got addicted to Silksong now so we are able to wait for 1.0 more easily haha

[little frost]

hey chin up! 1.0 could be february 2026

[urban topaz]

Eventually the 1.0 will come in a tomorrow

[urban topaz]

God please no

[humble urchin]

tomorrow gang never fails!

[polar abyss]

Or September 2026

[oak ivy]

September 2125 gang 🙌

[urban topaz]

September Never

[dusky mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shut-up-be-quiet-funny-gif-19370091

[molten obsidian]

Tomorrow ☝️

[dusky mountain]

october 21st

Greg told me

my dad works at supergiant games

[native herald]

dont give us false hope man😭

[little frost]

isn't tomorrow gang paradoxical

because they're always right, until the day 1.0 truly drops, and then that day, they're wrong cause 1.0 will not drop the next day

[molten obsidian]

So silksong debut 100 on metacritic probably it Will settle on 97 👀

[oak ivy]

it deserves the 100

[rocky lava]

today

[spiral isle]

messed up

[verbal rampart]

Excuse me but

Are there any uses for fish in Hades II except the exchange with the Broker?

[dusky mountain]

save them for 1.0, they will add a sushi bar in the crossroads where you can take your companions to

[vast coyote]

Lmao

[raven perch]

No

[hallow vault]

Amazing Game

Some people give it a 1-4/10 cause "WAAAAH ITS TOO HAAAAARD WAAAAAH!"

Hades 2 1.0 and Silksong in thw Same month maybe