h2-discussion

[prisma monolith]

cool

[buoyant matrix]

1.0 shadow drop in 7 days trust

[prisma monolith]

its true guys my uncle works for blizzard

[crude dragon]

Oh, so that wasn't a ligma

[wide socket]

Oh which one?

[dire sand]

It also wasn't a bofa

[prisma monolith]

updog

[buoyant matrix]

goblin

[torpid sky]

spiderman

[buoyant matrix]

like arachne? woah...

[torpid sky]

no, that's a woman->spider

[arctic fog]

Phantom etchings - triad deals 222 more damage for a total of 999
Banshee brand - triad has a 33% chance to strike twice

[rose canyon]

No 1.0 yet?

[prisma monolith]

no

next update

[buoyant matrix]

september 12th

all in

[buoyant matrix]

actually september 12th is a Friday

it's so melinover pack it up everyone

[prisma monolith]

sep 12 is marvel rivals season 4, new hero, more gooning material

[hybrid gulch]

can never have enough

[sleek oar]

Pizza has me believing in sep12

Maybe i wanna be delusional idk

[night sleet]

100% without a doubt. and its not even finished yet.

[hybrid gulch]

maybe if we all believe hard enough, it will become true

[urban topaz]

October all in

[oak ivy]

havent we both already lost all our money and houses because we went all in in august? 😔

[hybrid gulch]

the beauty of going all in is that you can always go all in, it's just "100% of what you have". Unlimited power!

[oak ivy]

[broken glen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/960590442141991042/1413613274498597004/IMG_7129.png?ex=68bc9174&is=68bb3ff4&hm=be17937177fcf9a7813fe6a8d138e2306a9cc462cba2997ba5e29c9c96f4f51e&

The puking emoji was from hades

(Also I’m totally ordering this later today)

[supple nymph]

wtf is figma zagreus bro i want 1.0 release

[broken glen]

figma bal-

[merry whale]

fig leaf

would love a h2 dionysus figure

[hybrid gulch]

I actually had this dialogue with Hades just last night (was my first time seeing it) where he talked about Sisyphus and how he gifted Bouldy to Hades to keep him company until others arrive. It was such sweet moment and it's lovely seeing Hades get more and more relatable (as opposed to how he is at the beginning of H1)

[orchid acorn]

anyone who pre orders the figure gets early 1.0 access

[hybrid gulch]

If the figurine did give earlier access to 1.0 it would probably sell out in seconds (and it's probably already a popular purchase as is)

[lyric matrix]

I could justify it if it was Meg...

[brave urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-paradoxical-quantum-physics-lesson-gif-5816114079579087053

[elfin heron]

how do i get darkness?

[crude dragon]

Chaos gates

It's the flower for that area

[lament surge]

Guys. When is the full release date?

[crude dragon]

We just don't know

[little mason]

stare into the abyss

[near bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-lateralus-parabol-third-eye-tool-gif-16499016

“just close your eyes lol”

[lament surge]

https://tenor.com/view/hotchick-so-sad-that-is-like-so-sad-hot-chick-gif-7227010545759108544

[little mason]

whats figma

[static bay]

Is there any chance at all of H2 getting a discount on Steam this weekend? I'm not sure I'll have enough cash to pick it up anyway, but I have a very slow weekend ahead of me so I'd at least try

[torpid grove]

Guaranteed that it wont

Its an early Access game

[static bay]

Welp

One day I'll be able to play it

I'm still naively hopeful that they might drop a demo when 1.0 comes out so I can play that

[night sleet]

try your luck at G2A, CDKeys, or Kinguin, you may find a discount

[static bay]

I'd rather avoid grey market sites if I can; I'm on a suuuuper limited budget but I'd still rather as much of my money goes to the devs as possible

[obtuse lark]

I get why chaos trials don't have resources, but the four random everything chaos trials definitely should.

I also wish you got grave thirst benefits. The 20 fear one is a fun way to play the game.

[icy blade]

they've only put it on sale during the major steam sales so far. It will likely be 10% off during the autumn sale at the end of this month, if they're consistent with what they did for summer, spring, and winter

[static bay]

Ah, ouch; yeah, that'd still be way out of budget until I get these vet bills paid off

[orchid acorn]

uh

hate to break it to you, but hades 2 has gone on sale for basically every major steam sale

EA has nothing to do with it

next steam sale isn't for another like 3-4 weeks tho

[frank mulch]

you should not advertise grey market sites here, but its not on any key sites anyway
aside from bastion on humble

[glossy shadow]

Does greatest gift of gaia fish for us?

[merry whale]

yep

[raven perch]

The fish get psyckokinetically manhandled into Mel’s cute purple purse

[glossy shadow]

❤️ ty fellas

I finally fed frinos again and got all the requirements

[gaunt glacier]

#JusticeForMomus

[uncut galleon]

hey, just as a heads-up for your budgeting - they said they may raise the price at some point, so it's possible that 1.0 will cost a bit more than ea does now

[merry whale]

one of the fun aspects i used during warsong, only to become not fun in unseen

[merry whale]

i can smell twitter boutta raise their arms like "silksong took nearly a decade and is $20, why sgg raising price >:(" (idk specific timeline for silksong)

[agile heart]

I think you do get it

[merry whale]

(to deleted message) ye, it's one of the reasons i actually got h2 in ea

was planning to buy it on release but thought id just buy it earlier and wait until release (i did not wait)

[uncut galleon]

sorry didn't mean to @ you before

pretty sure that info was in the faqs since ea release

[merry whale]

ping replies r fine i don't mind

all it does is make message yellow, ppl get pissy bout it idk why

[river radish]

Question if anyones knows but have the devs for Hades 2 released any art assets? Specifically i want to get a tattoo with inspiration from the game however it be nice to have the raw assets or know how to access them so i can give better referance photos

[sour flower]

it is illegal to get a tattoo of hades and if you do it i will tell the fun p;olice

[hallow vault]

It would be funny if Hades 2 goes into before Game Awards

Cause idfk then what i would pick for best Indie

[river radish]

;-; why u bully me

[covert badge]

should glamour work like serenity?

like auto regen but still work while channeling

[buoyant matrix]

glamour is already too strong

[covert badge]

yeah agree

[merry whale]

glamour should spawn heartthrobs,

[raven perch]

Yes

[raven perch]

You’re wrong

[buoyant matrix]

YOU'RE wrong huh how about that

[raven perch]

Your Long

[limpid oar]

That's probably not happening, but I wish magick regeneration worked during the channeling of torch attack. The way it works right now, a number of magick regens just doesn't function on torches

[supple nymph]

i wish glamour gain worked while you channel moves in general

[hallow vault]

The main Designer said

They made the Characters so diverse caude their Team is diverse

That wasnt said before Hades 2 that was said in 2019

I still dont understand the outrage just shows what Tourists these people are Lmao

I hope the 1.0 drop wont sturr Up the cancerous brainrot again

[limpid oar]

Glamour doesn't need a buff imo. It's in a decent place

[hallow vault]

Ut was annoying to search online for Hades 2 ans find this

[limpid oar]

Were you trying to attach something? I'm confused as to what you're talking about

[buoyant matrix]

it's because most other games that have a "diverse" cast end up having an abysmal story writing

the last of us 2 and spiderman 2 were two very unfortunate examples

it's made people extremely skeptical

[little mason]

glamour is fine with the duo boon any distance is treated as close

[hallow vault]

Spiderman 2 is a good Game as i Heard

The fans loved it lol

[buoyant matrix]

the gameplay is magnificent, massive improvements over the first game's combat

the story, on the other hand, did not fare so well

[little mason]

no 4 dashs 😭

[hallow vault]

Yeah u get used to it dw

[buoyant matrix]

did you just start playing hades 2? 😂

as julian said you'll get used to it

[hallow vault]

I Heard the fans loved it the steam reviews and user Reviews are extremely good lol

It were just Like Hades People pretending to know how the Game was and then complain

The fans Loved it

Its just the loud larpers who didnt

Im conviced WE would have had the same stuff if Hades launched today

U have a sprint instead

[buoyant matrix]

uhhh i just checked and the overall rating is "mostly positive"

checks out, the game was overall good, just a big downgrade in story writing

[uncut galleon]

there's always been good games with diverse casts, and even if there wasn't, there's zero reasons there can't be one and to attack a game or its developers just for that

people upset about that kind of thing aren't upset about bad writing that's just a... fig leaf

[limpid oar]

I played a tiny bit of Spiderman 2 (just roaming around the map, I know nothing about the story) and I've enjoyed it. May play it at some point

[indigo cypress]

Spiderman 2 had great main story writing what are we talking ab 😭

Spiderman 2's main weakness in writing is all its side content feels completely disconnected and random

[lament surge]

Spider Man 2 has a story?

[quaint pumice]

Uncle aaron beat is crucial for the lore

[granite mist]

Is there a confirmed release date for when the full version will come out yet

[native herald]

nah not really expect it either this month or october ig,gods I cant wait anymore

[little mason]

It's tommorow

[native herald]

wait what seriously?!

[torpid grove]

no

[sleek oar]

Its september 12th

[static bay]

How likely is a price increase when 1.0 comes out? I guess if launch is that close then a discount beforehand is super unlikely, and if there's a price increase that means it's going to be even longer until I can pick it up

[orchid acorn]

not unlikely, but i wouldn't really call it likely either.

[orchid acorn]

historically its gone on a 10% discount each major steam sale/major update so its certainly not gonna get cheaper than that

that disclaimer is just there as a CYA increase economy goes boomboom

[static bay]

Mm, that makes sense

I'm just worried because I think Hades had a price increase at some point; mercifully I was doing fine cash-wise at that point and I was still able to get it, but the same very much can't be said with H2

[orchid acorn]

dyno is back 😔

[orchid acorn]

hades 1 had single price increase during EA at the very start of the games release on epic store, but that was mostly cause of a major mess up on epics side of things where they gave 10$ off any game under 20 bucks, and guess what 19.99 was

and it went to 24.99 like 2-3 months post EA start

[raven perch]

5 dollar increase those greedy bastards

[orchid acorn]

h2 on the other hand launched at 29.99 and its next update is release

[static bay]

Hmm okay I see, I'll keep my fingers crossed in that case

I was originally hoping to grab it in November but that's since been pushed back to February at the earliest, so who's to say at this point

[static bay]

Just to be super clear I don't mean to criticise the devs in any way if they do increase the price, from what I've seen of H2 it'd be worth it at double the price
I'm just being self-serving and trying to figure out when I can play the damn thing 😛

[raven perch]

I’m being silly haha, of course it’s worth it

[orchid acorn]

by feb its more likely to be on sale for >10% off tbh

[static bay]

Oh I can't say that apparently

[static bay]

I assumed as much but I can never tell with text and didn't want to seem like I was being an a*hole 😅

[orchid acorn]

even if the price increases for 1.0 by feb it'll likely be going on sale for the equivalent of 29.99 if you wait like another month for the spring sale lmao

[raven perch]

Naw you’re good

[hearty idol]

im guessing its october / november. i dont think its this month.

[buoyant matrix]

nintendo direct at 12th will announce the release date to be 17th

all in

https://tenor.com/view/my-bet-travis-denning-after-a-few-song-casino-gambling-gif-25270941

[verbal rampart]

Quite bold of you.

[quaint pumice]

bl4 releases on 12th for the 2 people who care

so they gotta delay direct

[limpid oar]

Wait it actually does? I thought it wasn't until next year

[quaint pumice]

yeah

i still dont really have high hopes for as long as pitchford exists but its only up from rock bottom of bl3

[orchid acorn]

11th for pc players

for some reason, not that im complaining cause i am pc player

[limpid oar]

I'll probably get it on a sale. I enjoyed bl3, but the fact that i got it for really cheap helped. If i paid full AAA price for it I'd be let down

[sleek oar]

Pizza what happened to 12th release

[buoyant matrix]

i realized it's a Friday

they're not releasing 1.0 right before a weekend 🗿

[sleek oar]

17th would be middle of the week, rip my speedrunning hopes

[buoyant matrix]

17th would be a wednesday

[limpid oar]

That's it then

[buoyant matrix]

which is when they usually release updates

[limpid oar]

It's literally 17th

[buoyant matrix]

yes i said it here

[limpid oar]

And I agree

[buoyant matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/mgrr-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-armstrong-raiden-handshake-gif-25514798

[river lake]

guys give me a random run idea to do

[buoyant matrix]

burning island build with persephone skull

burning desire (aphro hestia duo) + island getaway (aphro pos duo) + glamour gain = burning island

your other cores are usually scorch attack with aphro special and poseidon cast

look for pyro technique and then pom the heck out of it

[limpid oar]

Pink aura
Mel torch aphro special, have ospec up at all times and spam special, get heartthrobs for even more pink

If you lose the aura wasn't pink enough

[kindred shard]

what if they shadow drop it on direct day

just mid sizzle-reel

btw guys hades 2 out now !!

[limpid oar]

They wouldn't wanna do that to themselves, it's a Friday

[kindred shard]

yea itd be funny tho

in all seriousness theres no way a direct doesnt give us the release date

theyre buddy buddy like that

[limpid oar]

It'll be even funnier if the thing greg is typing in #hades2-patch-notes rn is actually the release patch notes. Saturday release go

[kindred shard]

wait hes typing?

[limpid oar]

Yeah

[neon isle]

bait

[kindred shard]

😀

just for that you get it next year

curse of delay

[mystic storm]

Sup my fellow gamers. Is there some sort of ETA for 1.0 update to drop?

I would suppose by november or something like that

[kindred shard]

nah but given the direct rumors circling im thinking theyll drop the release date during that

also if i had to guess id say october release theres no way we make it to november

esp considering the last patch wasnt planned

which was a whole month ago by now

[mystic storm]

Word

I've been having so much fun with the game, but I really wanna see the end of the story

[sleek oar]

Why does hades drop titan blood when hes not a titan but chronos the titan drops zsand 🧠

[kindred shard]

Born of the titans, i think its much weirder that meg drops it

[raven perch]

Meg is also born of the titans

[hearty idol]

hades 2 1.0 is next year guys 🤞
||source from me, i made it up ||

[limpid oar]

17/10/2025

[dim kernel]

25/25/2025

[raven perch]

69/69/6969

[mystic storm]

You mean on my birthday?

[raven perch]

They’ll do it for you

[orchid acorn]

i would've said the same thing about unseen tbh

"it says spring, theres no way they go until the final 3 days before spring ends maybe 1st week of june at latest"

[wide socket]

does triad damage crit?

[orchid acorn]

no.

[wide socket]

oh bummer then its hammer time

[orchid acorn]

triad can only be increased by triad specific hammers, and technically hitch spreads the damage so that "scales" it sorta

[wide socket]

yeah trying to run with hera and aphro

[mystic storm]

Wouldnt it be hilarious if they actually released 1.0 on that day?

[wide socket]

does ignoring chronus after hecate's room does anything?

even for talking with him does it change anything?

[raven perch]

Nope

[potent relic]

I think Halloween thematically would be cool

Even though it’s far away 😖

[native herald]

yooo hahah twins man I have the samebirthday

[wide socket]

AAAAAAAAAAA first rival chronus and i almost got him... only 30% hp left and im using morrigan... some of his move arent that clearly telegraphed...

20 fears btw

[mystic storm]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[native herald]

💪 😤

[dusky mountain]

Happy Hades 2 launch day everyone!

[fathom lake]

:/

[native herald]

not funny man

[hearty idol]

everyday is a lunch day now, awesome.

[mystic storm]

Dude, I have to fight ||Prometheus AND Heracles|| at the same time? What the hell ☠️

[oak ivy]

omg Hades 2 is out!!!!!!

[sleek oar]

Yippieieie

[mystic storm]

I cant even fathom how difficult Chronos and Typhoon are gonna be with the boss power up

[polar abyss]

As someone who has beaten both; they are very difficult, though worth the fear if you want to push fear (not just stop at 32/24)

But as to what they will be…. You shall see…

[verbal rampart]

Maybe because he actually drops Titan Blood but Melinoë has no use for it

[rocky lava]

[verbal rampart]

Same for Prometheus, he probably drops Titan Blood but Melinoë has no use for it

[rocky lava]

Any day now

[mystic storm]

Both are already available at the game atm?

[polar abyss]

Yes. You can do Rivals 4 rn

Well, when you do the incantation

[mystic storm]

Oh okay, dope

I thought we could only get to Rivals 3

[short raft]

Im really trying to think of a good Float gain build, i got nothing

[ancient nebula]

Float gain? Or flood gain?

I absolutely love flood gain it's so versatile especially at higher rarities

[polar abyss]

It’s not ideal, but Flood Gain Charon somehow worked.

Flood Gain’s main use is for when there are short bursts of omega usage. Maybe Flood Gain Shiva could work (haven’t tested it myself).

[short raft]

i personally havent found any use for it, the 4 sec CD its really awful, also it has horrible interaction with some skull hammers

[polar abyss]

Like I took Flood Gain by mistake from Denial against Rival Chronos, and it did fine enough.

[ancient nebula]

At higher rarities and maybe with one pom, you can get unlimited mana basically.
It's my favourite after Born Gain.

[short raft]

Whats your usual build with it?

[ancient nebula]

Because Flood Gain also restores you magic, you can use the period it's active to get back large chunks of it

I don't have a main build for it. I have used it on all weapons, at everything from no fear to 32+ fear

[short raft]

ok

[ancient nebula]

I think it performs better than most at very high mana costs because if you can get it at epic or heroic you can extend that timer to 8-9 seconds

And that's a very long time. It also doesn't suffer from the occasional situation that born gain finds itself in which if priming all your magic

[humble urchin]

flood gain is very strong when it’s the right aspect you’re using with it

either when it’s just bursts of usage (such as nyx with the omega boost) or aspects that don’t inherently use much magick overall

[orchid acorn]

its literally 90% born gain, but not quite 100%

in any realistic gameplay scenario you cannot run out of magick using this thing and in the few you do, you still got at least 2 cycles of infinite mana + the 8 second downtime of using your magick use to hit the enemy with?

and then its not like you are ALWAYS in combat using magick that 8sec isn't that bad unless you really get screwed in the timing

[humble urchin]

i feel like it’s only extreme cases where it doesn’t feel close to enough, charon, p array skull, torches with constant ospecial and fine line ocean swell builds?

[ancient nebula]

I disagree on the idea that it's only useful for short burst of magic. Because it restores magic too while active, if you have enough mana, you can basically get it to never run out. I have had torch builds on it that used very high amounts of mana or cast builds where a cast would cost me 50+ and it performed well.

[humble urchin]

actually even with Charon it might work at higher levels/few poms

[humble urchin]

yeah i went against that message too(kinda) with my message after

[short raft]

I had Hepeh+Pos due boon and the 8s went to 4s and that was very interesting

[orchid acorn]

I think PA is specifically a consequence of a targeted nerf to that hammer, and FG is just a bystander that got shot

Its hould be able to sustain everything except fine line magick dumping, even with charon you are dropping literal nukes and shouldn't need more than the few o-specials you toss out during the 8 secs to phase each fight if not kill

[humble urchin]

yeah on the PA thing i agree, just wanted to state one of the few edge cases where FG just doesn’t work

iirc because it loses magick and not uses it, FG doesn’t even get triggered right?

[orchid acorn]

i think so yeah

[short raft]

The "When your pick skulls from the floor, activate OA but cost 25" doesnt even restore Mana, but it triggers FG anyway. so you literally can go into negatives before begin able to activate the mana regen lol

[orchid acorn]

yeah i think tis something about use vs spend or something

its a really janky bs rules lawyering that was a targeted nerf to PA cause it was(and still is) a broken ass hammer

[nimble inlet]

I want a Prometheus small statue thing, Zag is cool but Prometheus would be peak

[humble urchin]

i feel like it’s the single biggest damage boosting hammer, no?

[orchid acorn]

theoretically double triad is probably better assuming like a training dummy standing still or like 24/7 phase shift lmao

and you hit every 33%

[short raft]

Question: Does Hex dodge gain (apro, you gain +1% dodge this encounter per hex use) stacks permanently? say, i use 12 hex this encounter, is that +12% dodge?

[orchid acorn]

are you asking like for the whole run? cause LMAO hell no why would you ever consider that 😭

as for per encounter use, im pretty sure each node stacks but it resets per use, some for the other similar ones

have 3 +1% dodges thats +3% dodge the end.

[short raft]

Just the encounter lol
So like, its only +3% dodge per use, and they reset on use?

[orchid acorn]

correct, its a one time bonus for that encounter

same for the +X% damage or whatever it is

stacks within itself, but not per hex

and the movespeed one

[short raft]

Thats so sad

[supple nymph]

if it stacked dodge per encounter it would be insanely easy to win runs

[orchid acorn]

it could probably stand to be buffed to like 2% per node, but having dodge period is massive

and any buff to that makes it that much easier to hit 100%

[supple nymph]

in boss encounters you could camp and stack dodge then just win if that were the case lol

[orchid acorn]

i can already consistently get to 50%+ dodge per run on demand basically, 80%+ if i get the hermes dodge boon we don't really need more dodge

plus its my fav strat i don't want them to nerf my wispy wiles 😭

[midnight hill]

Any idea why they changed Hestia's sprint that it no longer destroys projectiles? My go-to tactic for Eris totally disappeared 😭

[uncut knot]

Moved to her legendary

Her legendary makes the cast destroy projectiles

[arctic fog]

Probably because it turned Eris into a flying punching bag

It’ll be missed

[midnight hill]

Oohhh nice

[glossy shadow]

After a few conversations he just says something snide as you enter the room and disappears

[humble urchin]

how does looming ignition work with medea?

[neat frigate]

It still grows in power over the time period until you use it

Afaik

[sour flower]

i cant believe nobody ever talks about the fact that they got nicholas cage to va for this game

[slim pike]

It grows really slowly because the medea attack fuse time is looooong

As in. The time it takes for it to detonate on its own compared to a mel skull

[flat dome]

1.0 release date when

[ebon oak]

So, what are our thoughts on combining Possessed Array with Cardio Gain? Is it worth trying to do, or better to take something else?

[raven perch]

Take born gain yeah

I think

Cardio Gain will never give enough mana to be good

[lyric matrix]

Yeah you can't keep up with Possessed Array magick loss with just Cardio. Especially on the skulls.

[humble urchin]

possessed spends so much magick that anything other than b gain will not be a fun time

[indigo cypress]

Flood Gain can work as long as you aren't building around possessed and it's just an add-on

But that's just bc it's glitched rn, we don’t know how it'll work in 1.0

[polar abyss]

Glitched? How is it glitched?

Is that the whole “being able to use magic infinitely”?

[indigo cypress]

It won't refill any spent magic but it allows infinite use

[polar abyss]

Ah

[indigo cypress]

So basically flood gain + possessed means you'll be able to spam it as much as you want but only while it's off cooldown, 0 magic on cooldown

[polar abyss]

You know, that may actually be an interesting gain.

“Moves that cost 4/8/12/16 Magic or less do not cost Magic”

And it would be pommable to increase the limit

I could also see a 5/10/15/20 scale to be fitting with how the magic numbers end in 5 or 0, but that seems overpowered.

Even if Poms are removed.

[ebon oak]

Yeah, Born is better. But I do want to know if Cardio could be considered for Hubris 2 runs.

[polar abyss]

Absolutely can work for some weapons

I’ve used it for Anubis and Nyx and 50 and 51 fear respectively

[nocturne zenith]

idk about hubris 2 specifically but cardio gain worked reasonably well for a recent hel run i did

since you're never touching oattack anyway and ospecial is only a once-in-a-while use to trigger valkyrie for regular attack spam

one thing i've never really been clear on is whether the blasts from moros trigger cardio gain, and if the game differentiates between blasts from regular and oattacks

[covert badge]

ppl use fine line as range option??

[merry whale]

yea it's pretty solid

[heavy nova]

is arc flash total damage?

[merry whale]

iirc arc flash just gives an additive buff to ur blitz

[wanton shore]

anyone else think the dialogue priority is broken?

[merry whale]

pretty solid if u can consistently get omegas out on like torches

the only time dialogue priority was weird was when the crossroads project dialogue w dora overrode my first chronos clear

[humble urchin]

tart is 6 encounters including chronos right? not counting extra rooms

[merry whale]

otherwise i haven't had any issues necessarily but i know some dialogue is a lil inconsistent rn

u can always feedback if some dialogue doesn't make sense

[merry whale]

ye if u don't take any extra then chronos will be 6th encounter

[wanton shore]

don't know how to report it since it's not like, an incident, but I started a new save after the unseen update came out and I cannot progress on the Arachne story line. I have all the requirements met and dialogue from all 3 parties are the generic ones for when you run out of story dialogues

[humble urchin]

nice so charon item that lasts 6 encounters will be active in the chronos fight, right?

[merry whale]

ah u have to do the charon shipment and let arachne visit the crossroads iirc

[wanton shore]

also cannot progress on the narcissus+echo storyline after the first fields visit

[merry whale]

it's kinda dumb cuz i have not done charon shipments at all cuz there's zero incentive at endgame

so arachne has zero progression for me rn

[merry whale]

ye

[wanton shore]

got that first visit too. never again

I got further into that story line in my previous save and i know what is supposed to happen next but I'm just not getting any of that dialogue

[merry whale]

yea it's kinda inconsistent unfortunately atm, tbh could be worth feedbacking how awkward it is to progress arachne storyline

like esp at endgame when i'm so used to heading straight to the next run, there's not exactly a clear indicator that my shipment has arrived

i feel like odysseus has a line bout it but uhh i drown all the voices out rn

[wanton shore]

od often tells you when you pass him

oh wait you said that lol

[merry whale]

ye i had a subconscious feeling that odysseus was giving me vital information lol

i should be ready to not mash A when 1.0 is out

[wanton shore]

you don't even really have to interact with him for him to tell you, you just have to pass him

[merry whale]

tru

[wanton shore]

it sucks because I mostly play for the story so even when I do chaos trials or change up oaths of the night to make it more interesting, I get bored knowing there's not any story waiting for me back at the crossroads

[indigo cypress]

Out here trying to write a really comprehensive steam review for Hades 2 and then I realize I hit the cap when I'm not even halfway done 😔

[frank mulch]

do the “full review in my website” link thing LOL link it to a blog post or a note

but that’s impressive

My steam reviews usually boil down to “great game did cry”

[indigo cypress]

Ooh good idea thx

[frank mulch]

I hate leaving negative reviews and I rarely do so even if I just don’t vibe with a game but sometimes you gotta let the people know so they heed the warning that it sucks severely

if I just dislike a game that’s like passable or good I will mind my own business

[indigo cypress]

For the most part my review's a recommend but just said I can't recommend it for ppl who only care ab story at this point bc we don't have it 💀

And the story we do have is kinda eh

And also stuff like "If you hate this specific thing from Hades 1 you'll prob hate it here too"

[oak ivy]

Can you imagine that some people leave negative reviews on games that they even love 😭

[frank mulch]

Seems like I have 4 negative reviews out of 31 sometimes you haaaave to let the people know

[oak ivy]

I saw some negative deltarune reviews that are like "10/10 game, it's the best thing in the world, but I dont like Sans" 😭

[indigo cypress]

I mean it does help the game get better sometimes. Like Gearbox prob never would've fixed the Seeker of the Storms dlc if didn't get justifiably review bombed

And when they fixed it ppl went back and updated their reviews to be positive

[frank mulch]

Some ppl don’t realize that negative reviews even if they’re jokey hurt the game

Keep it simple ✨

Seriously do not let the cool art style fool you zoeti is one of the worst games I have had the displeasure of even trying

Don’t try. If you happen to have a game key do not get tempted. Do not give it to a friend because you will inflict brief yet great suffering upon them. It won’t even be funny

For the record the other games I negatively reviewed I finished or put a lot of playtime in. It’s That Bad

[indigo cypress]

Well if I saw a review like that def looking up the first 15 mins of the game before I buy

Steam 3hr refund policy coming in clutch

[frank mulch]

Wow I thought it was 2

[indigo cypress]

oh you're right they decreased it

🙁

[frank mulch]

I think I also have overwatch a negative review when it came to steam
And I think it’s in a good place now but I would still not recommend it to new players lol

and a horrible ddlc clone

[indigo cypress]

I guess we're not beating and returning Sonic Forces now

[frank mulch]

I think it was always 2 was it not?

[indigo cypress]

It def was 3 at some point, unless that youtuber beat Sonic Forces in 2 hours and returned it

[indigo cypress]

@wanton shore @frank igloo #h2-feedback message
Hey try to move this out of feedback into this channel since it'll be a lot of back-and-forth

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the last part of Arachne's storyline rn is ||a conversation with Athena||

[merry whale]

complete hades 2 1.0 storyline and refund the game challenge

[indigo cypress]

The fresh file speedrunners would go crazy

Trying to get 10 wins UW and 10 wins surface in under 2 hrs

[merry whale]

i think at most it'd be beat typhon then refund game

it'd have to be trigger unlocking surface, then get the resources to incantation-protect yourself, etc etc

[broken glen]

#h2-feedback message

i’m having the same issue with Arachne. I’ve gotten echo and narcissus to reconcile, but Athena, Arachne and Hecate are all out of dialogue

[raven perch]

Did you bring Arachne to the Crossroads?

[broken glen]

She came once

[raven perch]

Gotta bring her multiple times

[broken glen]

How do I do that

[indigo cypress]

Just order stuff I think from Charon for delivery

[raven perch]

Do a Charon shipment

[broken glen]

I do lots of shipments, do I need to do fate fabric?

[sterile notch]

Am i drunk or is the 50

50% chance to get an element from mining, fishing, etc not 50%

[merry whale]

i was told the specific shipment doesn't matter, just any shipment works then there's a chance arachne spawns once charon arrives

[broken glen]

I have constant shipments going. She has only ever come ONCE

[sterile notch]

I swear i have never gotten a popup of gathering any resource from those actions after upgrading my tools

[broken glen]

I’ve fully decorated the camp, I’ve gotten all songs, fully upgraded all weapons, done every chaos trial (except for great chaos above because I suck) romanced everyone, done 32 fear…

How has she only ever come once

[merry whale]

hmm, could be a bug stopping her from spawning

f10 and see where it goes

[broken glen]

Is the chance just that small

[merry whale]

80% chance they messed up somewhere preventing arachne from spawning when she should, 18% it's actually unused because they want to save it for 1.0, 2% idk

[indigo cypress]

I honestly can't tell you since I did it a few patches ago and so much has changed progression-wise

Lowkey reason why I'm on the fence ab doing a fresh file for 1.0

Bc I want to experience all the changes but at the same time what if they're bad 😭

[merry whale]

tbh im prob just gonna watch a let's play for the 1.0 experience

[empty abyss]

#announcements message
Or we could ask Jen Zee to learn Z brush and makes Zagreus models herself. She made him after all

[wanton shore]

that may be it, but i'm saying that in my new save i couldn't even get close

the furthest I got to in my new save was ||talking to hecate about it||

that

that's what I said in my reply

[indigo cypress]

Yeah the game definitely has a lot of hidden flags rn for no reason

[sterile notch]

Does anyone have a spreadsheet or anything that shows how to get each duo/legendary boon?

[wanton shore]

that's why i think the priority thing is broken

[sterile notch]

Entirely new to the series and probably shoud've started on hades 1 but this was gifted to me so i said why not

[wanton shore]

you can check in your book

[sterile notch]

Thank you!

[wanton shore]

or while you're picking a boon, there's an option for it too

[sterile notch]

I appreciate the help thank you

[wanton shore]

np!

[sterile ravine]

Hey,
Any release date for 1.0 on PS5 ?

[scarlet cosmos]

sometime after 1.0 launch

[wide socket]

Is armor hp of each foe equivalent to its base health?

Is it the same in H1 also?

[vital pine]

I'm pretty sure they're two different values

[wide socket]

Is it a fixed value?

[smoky rover]

it's increased by grit probably

but it's not equal to hp, most notably elites like the octopus spinny thing, olympus dragon or undead pirate captain have a lot of armour and not much hp

[supple nymph]

is deep dissent just the best hades boon for high fear uw

[merry whale]

ye

having a miniboss on screen at the same time is kindaa not good

it does kinda vary on what miniboss u get, but rather just kill it entirely

[hearty timber]

How to dodge eris lucifer bombs?

[merry whale]

you can poke the lucifer bombs to explode them

[hearty timber]

Supay 😭😭

[empty abyss]

imma check out Zoeti rq

[merry whale]

uhhh omega special increases special distance right

[empty abyss]

nvm it looks like the human's glutonious maximus

[sleek oar]

Do you need to clear great chaos above/below for the prophecy

Cause i cleared the two 0 fear ones but it didnt unlock

[buoyant matrix]

it has to be the same trial twice in a row

[sleek oar]

Huuuh

Thats phrased so badly in the prophecy then

[buoyant matrix]

yes people have complained about it many times before

[empty abyss]

a team based in the US btw

[crude dragon]

Yeah, it lets you skip the miniboss phase on Rivals Chronos and halves the number of healing Tempii to kill

[short raft]

Whats the usual Nyx build? going for apollo/pos duo or

[limpid oar]

Hestia special

[wide socket]

this is not just me right?
morrigan feels like the control lags a bit compared to others? like when xinth first came out

[sleek quarry]

It also makes the clone in p3 does zero to one move and despawn.

[hearty idol]

like delay while pressing the button? not for me now, but a couple of updates before yea it does have input delay on my game whenever i tried to charge blood triad.

[little mason]

I heard hades 2 is the biggest game of the year now

[orchid acorn]

yeah it also messes with the clone in p3 but idk how exactly i've heard different things

[crude dragon]

I mean, Silksong is out, so I suppose it would be

[wide socket]

I feel it a bit significant today… not so my first run yesterday but still some jankiness both times

[proud swift]

I just found out that if you turn the music off before fighting Scylla she gets really upset. It's hilarious.

[sour flower]

when the game releases do yall plan on resetting your save?

[glad mountain]

Is anyone interested in making a 🤔 emoji of Melinoë with her skeletal hand?
I can provide a budget of $0 and might forget to thank you when you are finished

[humble urchin]

i’m most likely going to create a fresh file and progress through to the credits, but then go back to my original file. don’t think i want to re-grind everything

[vital pine]

Yeah I'm probably going to have a new file and my previous file and just. Switch between them

[vast coyote]

Sanity check: I feel like Unrivaled Polyphemus is easier than Unrivalled Hecate?

[merry whale]

ye

[orchid acorn]

UR poly was nuked cause he was a noob punisher with a mechanic not seen since hades 1 unfortunately.

i really hope they bring back destroying the fountains at least

[glad mountain]

Wait they nerfed UR Poly? He felt pretty undertuned already

[scarlet cosmos]

I'm pretty sure he wasn't changed at all

oh you mean back then

right after the update came out

[vast coyote]

That would be sick (painful but still)

[scarlet cosmos]

I dunno I felt like both versions were pretty alright. I don't think he's too easy but I also didn't struggle against him as much as some people I saw

I feel like UR Eris is easier than UR Poly still

[orchid acorn]

in like... the first balance patch yeah

over 2 months ago atp

he lost his giga grab, which i honestly never really got hit by but others complaind about it and now its a non factor

and now he no longer breaks 1 fountain per phase

all 4 fountains permanently up

[vast coyote]

Damn I was so close to beating UR Eris first try

[scarlet cosmos]

the grab was sometimes BS to be frank

would grab you while you were already halfway across the map

[orchid acorn]

i think i got hit like ONE time with a bs grab and i chalked it up to an angle difference where the Z level didn't match but it made sense after i watched it back, even if i was doakes staring

[vast coyote]

Yeah, I feel like she’s way less annoying.

[orchid acorn]

i think too many people try to last second dash and got btfo but it got changed for a reason ig

i just know that i have never gotten grabbed since that change and the attack may as well not exist

[vast coyote]

Me fr ngl.

[humble urchin]

what was the mechanic?

[polar abyss]

the poison mechanic

[trim tulip]

Poison that you need to heal in mandragora wells

[brave urchin]

No idea why they brought it back at all. it is the worst mechanic from hades 1.

[humble urchin]

i mean he still has the poison mechanic no?

[brave urchin]

Rivals Promi is way more fun.

It does "aoe" spam right.

Rivals Poly is just bad.

[polar abyss]

What Pronto means is that the poison mechanic was reintroduced only through the Rival Poly fight. So if people weren’t used to the mechanic from playing Hades 1 beforehand, it would feel worse.

[humble urchin]

oh that i agree with

but also it’s slightly better with the poly fight, the wells have unlimited uses right?

in 1 at styx the well could only be used once

[supple plover]

V1... plss

[iron sonnet]

do the Sister Blades' omega attack have invincibility frames?

[polar abyss]

Aside from Aspect of Artemis, I don’t think it has invincibility frames. What I believe it should have ||at least on the hidden aspect|| is being uninterruptible by normal attacks.

[buoyant matrix]

only in the extremely short time that you're traveling to the enemy

i think

[polar abyss]

Though it’s not fully invincible either, since there are unavoidable attacks if hit

**such as Polyphemus’s grab

[orchid acorn]

uh i swear the wells in 1 were unlimited too

they just took like 2 seconds to refresh

same as h2 you can't just spam interact to cleanse poison on an infinite well

[humble urchin]

heh maybe i’m misremembering then

[orchid acorn]

but anyway yeah like he mentioned above unseen update returned the poison mechanic out of nowhere vs players who were used to using strength(does nothing vs poison and was nerfed) and a more punishing version of a boss fight which destroyed the wells on phase change.

it was a high rate of attrition since it came so quickly, but after players got used to it and knew that poly literally showed you what wells he destroyed by jumping on them, it wasn't that bad

if poison was apart of another ephyra enemy like the boar leading a poison trail or something since its a undead in previous updates it may not have been a big surprise and players would've had the muscle memory for it again

like i played h1 a lot but since it wasn't a concern in h2 as it didn't exist i didn't need to constantly think about checking my hp bar or memorizing well locations to instantly go to them

[polar abyss]

I think the main thing is that for most individuals, it had been a very long time since they had to deal with the poison. I do feel like Rival Polyphemus is now the easiest Rival boss out of all 8, but I do think some tuning down was a bit necessary.

Like we speak now of how “Rival Eris is the easiest boss”; honestly, I feel like Eris can be more punishing with one mistake, and also timer wasting is a thing. Rival Polyphemus though is very consistent, and fair by Rival standards ||(in particular the Rival duos at 3 and 4)||

**and also in terms of Unseen, Rival Eris was just awful.

[sleek oar]

Rival eris still has me eating a full shotgun shot sometimes

Polyphemus is easier imo cause fountains dont have like some punishing timer between uses, i at least end up taking very little damage from poison

[kindred shard]

Rivals eris is the only boss i feel like some aspects just get invalidated by

Like the invincible sweep next to the constant flying away and the lucifer pulses makes it so hard for some weps and trivial for others

[orchid acorn]

rivals eris is at least a more engaging fight than non rivals

[kindred shard]

Yeah true

[orchid acorn]

like its crazy im happy some melee weapons get told to eat sh- and die

[fathom lake]

I hate the amount of boss invincibility Rival Eris has

[kindred shard]

She has a lot of damage gates

[orchid acorn]

but i'd much rather the some if little trouble unrivaled eris gives me vs the constant dash behind and backstab simulator reg eris is

[orchid acorn]

god they really do need to remove her flying away unless she explicitly is standing in fire

i saw on the speedrun server she has cooldown of like 12 moves or something before she can fly away unless its fire

but each attack she does is actually like 3 "moves" in 1

dash + sweep+ summon bomb is 3 moves for example or something

[kindred shard]

Yeah and when one out of 3 moves is invincible its not ghe most fun

[dense stone]

I noticed a lot of weapon aspects aim towards the mouse instead of whichever way Mel is facing, which is a problem for me because I don’t play with a mouse 😭 does anyone know if there’s a way to disable this? I couldn’t find anything in settings, sorry if this isn’t the right place to ask

[orchid acorn]

not a thing, auto aim will snap onto enemies for better or worse on controller

either mouse for full aim control or nothing

[thorn cradle]

@orchid acorn
#h2-feedback message
I had like 30-40% dmg by Last Gasp every realistic 50+ fear run =D. And i'm pretty sure that Stalwart Stand DDs don't count for this boon.

[buoyant matrix]

yo @polar abyss what are the best mel blade builds assuming I'm aiming for trick knives

[buoyant matrix]

stalwart stand dds do count, it's how people get +200% bonus with it

[supple nymph]

when is stalwart stand even used?

[polar abyss]

Either build towards Trick Knives with Thermal Dynamics or Hera Special, or… build towards Attack using Wicked Onslaught. My 62 used a mix of both (though I had scorch attack instead of a percent attack)

[supple nymph]

if you run strength you dont want any dds, if you run dds you want renewed faith

so idk

[polar abyss]

Trick Knives is for the most part the best hammer, but you don’t need Trick Knives for Mel Blades. And you don’t even need to use Strength and Antler to win.

Also, if it is not 62 Fear (though Blasts were used for Pan 62), Blast Blades can work, because Blades have fast attacks but no super powerful burst damage option.

Blast Blades is just Blast Attack or Special, and the Hestia and Apollo duos.

In theory, Blast Blades is better with Special, because Hera Attack can be used in between.

[thorn cradle]

For example at first 67 fear clear.

[oak ivy]

for any low/no magick build!

[supple nymph]

ok that makes sense cause of void

[humble urchin]

also if you’re running a low/no cost magick build and hit a nat athena when you have DDs, stalwart is very solid

[supple nymph]

its not the magick, its the arcana setup. you run either dds or strength and with athenas keepsake you dont benefit in any way from stalwart

[supple nymph]

true

[oak ivy]

[supple nymph]

to use athenas keepsake you need to have no active death defiances

[thorn cradle]

It's pretty solid even with Strength at high fear. Its free dd = free Hp after all.

[oak ivy]

yeah you're right... it only works well if you get athena naturally without a keepsake

[supple nymph]

i suppose

[oak ivy]

I forgor the keepsake's requirement 😔

[buoyant matrix]

with thermal, should blitz be on attack or special

[heavy stag]

is there some secret skill tech to the sister blades or are they just bad to play

[buoyant matrix]

use your special more than you use your attack

[heavy stag]

i do

[buoyant matrix]

or just get trick knives

[heavy stag]

its like the sword from h1 but the sword is good asf if you can use it

this one just feels ahh

[humble urchin]

or just get final slice (only way i can play non morrigan blades)

[polar abyss]

I know this is weird, but like… idk which is actually better.

[humble urchin]

the special is basically the spear special

[buoyant matrix]

aight I'll just experiment then 🗿

[polar abyss]

What I ran with is by no means a perfect setup, because I didn’t get TK, but did take Dancing Knives.

Said run has Hestia Attack, Zeus Special, and Hestia Cast

[supple nymph]

blades are nothing like the sword

[buoyant matrix]

I'm doing a chill 40ish fear run with timer2 so it doesn't really matter if it's optimal or not

also starting with pig

(it's a surface run)

[supple nymph]

overkill scorch

[polar abyss]

Probably

The run went a bit overtime, so I’m tempted to try a redo with a faster time.

[supple nymph]

i lost 2 50f runs with medea to chronos p3 today

sucks to suck, the first run i got chronos down to 20ish% hp

[vast coyote]

Ayo? Fellow Circe enjoyer?

[sour flower]

me three!

what familiars do you guys like using w circe?

[polar abyss]

Ok, time to think for a minute. Thermal Dynamics works where Blitz upon activation applies Scorch. So I imagine Blitz Special is better for enemies where you can’t reach them easily with the melee attack. But if it’s easy, Blitz Attack would be better.

[fathom lake]

Raki my beloved

[polar abyss]

Also, there is the option of just not going for Thermal Dynamics and instead going for Scorch Special for other boons.

[supple nymph]

cat

[vast coyote]

I’m a day 1 Frinos lover

[sour flower]

cat feels soo good i feel like i cant use circe without her

[vast coyote]

Tell me about Raki, haven’t done a run with em yet,

[sour flower]

i would die for frinos 😭

[vast coyote]

Without question

[crude dragon]

Raki or Toula

[merry whale]

as a raki main on circe, it good

don't have to worry about waking up toula, and as long as casts are on screen raki will never leave

[fathom lake]

4% global crit yum

Also the cast appears closer to the main cast

More yummy damage

[supple nymph]

i mostly take toula with circe cause if im running circe chances are im doing high fear and needs dds

[vast coyote]

Nice

[vast coyote]

I do like damage

[humble urchin]

i wonder which familiar is the easiest to manage the tether with?

since that damage actually adds up quite a bit

[merry whale]

that's fair, i played high fear strength on circe so i rather just keep toula out lol

circe's mega good in letting u space out enemies and remain mobile

[fathom lake]

i think raki
When raki flies up when you use the cast it counts as summoning it andthe cast appears very close to the primary cast
So my opinon its raki

[vast coyote]

Same, except I’m bad so I’m struggling on UR bosses and Frenzy

[merry whale]

dw rival frenzy fights are crazy hard lol

[vast coyote]

That makes sense, only thing I’d say is sometimes I appreciate the range when they’re far apart

[fathom lake]

Nah me like crit and dmg

yumyum

[vast coyote]

Thanks, I always keep frenzy on so I get used to it.

Because going from no frenzy to having frenzy is painful

Are there more gold pots in Olympus or something? damn

[sleek oar]

Im trying to gradually up my frenzy

Im doing all my runs on frenzy1 rn til i get used to it and then i can suffer on 2

[vast coyote]

Smart

Welp, time to get beat up by Prometheus

I wish my memory wasn’t so bad

I WON!!!! YESSSS!!!!

[polar abyss]

Nice!

[vast coyote]

Luckily he gave an easy pattern, man I’m happy

So close… Spawn of Typhon…

That was a good run, first time getting past Eris in a while

[humble urchin]

i’ve been told there’s no point in that, since the difference between frenzy 1->2 is so big you’re basically relearning

learning 0->2 at once is the most efficient

[sleek oar]

[merry whale]

i'd still go 1 to 2 lol

[sleek oar]

Is hordes also preferable to go to max immediately

Cause that was gonna be my next gradual learning curve

I think i went max hordes once and got destroyed

[merry whale]

i'd rather put on timer 3 first before hordes

[sleek oar]

Timer is kinda fun

Ignore i was completely against it like a month ago

[limpid oar]

Hordes 3 timer 2 is more fun imo, the rooms are action-packed and you do have the extra time to deal with them

[white jewel]

quick question, what's the criteria for unlocking the incantation for Vow of Rivals 2? I've beaten each Rivals 1 boss and each final boss about 10 times, and I've gotten at least 4 fear with every weapon

(sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this)

[polar abyss]

Hmmm… I think you should like… verify the game’s files or uninstall and reinstall. I had a similar issue at the start of unseen, and one of those worked for me.

[white jewel]

hmm alright I'll try uninstalling. Good to know that it's a bug

thanks

[crude dragon]

You need to beat a specific miniboss in the Rift of Thessaly

Which, if you've been getting unlucky due to (gestures frantically at all the BS in that region's spawn logic), is actually understandable for you to have never encountered

[vast coyote]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/987496174636380160/1414371806713872475/image.png?ex=68bf53e4&is=68be0264&hm=f1a7eea147538f8e855409e57f7657501d9b7037f2360ef02fd9aff1d3f490d2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1604&height=902 Revaal is scary man

[merry whale]

strength gaming

[white jewel]

Minibosses are just "wardens" right? Cause I completed the prophecy for beating all the wardens quite a while ago

Ohhh wait I'm looking at the Underworld prophecy. I can't even see the prophecy for surface wardens yet somehow (if there is one)

[merry whale]

yea miniboss is warden, unfortunately thessaly tends to be picky in what it offers u so it a little weird to get the midboss u need

[crude dragon]

Especially now that there's two Wardens there so it's not even a guarantee you'll get the right one

[white jewel]

hmmm alright guess I'll keep grinding surface runs then, thanks

I've probably cleared Thessaly like 25 times at this point so i guess my luck is just terrible lol

[crude dragon]

You'll know the reason why you need to encounter the Warden the moment you see its name, at least

[short raft]

can i backstab typhon?

[crude dragon]

Nope!

Despite several feedback posts about it, Typhon doesn't have a backstab area

[oak ivy]

you can with the daggers special when it is returning to you

🤓

[crude dragon]

Your Mel Knives are a level 0 aspect

[merry whale]

me when i premium service for typhon

[gray carbon]

Since my Melinoë Nendoroid is finally shipping to me, I not only thought of 3D printing an accessory box, but also painting the un-modified (aka no boons attached to the cast) magic circle that is used for her cast. However, I don’t really know how or where to look for reference images of the cast. Can anyone give me some advice?

[vast coyote]

Is sending pictures of the cast in game ok?

[gray carbon]

I wasn’t sure if it would be a good angle without some camera stuff, but go ahead!

[orchid acorn]

Unless something changed like.... very recently stalwart DD spam has been a meme run and worked for a long time

[sour flower]

who has good duos with hestia? wanna play eos w scorch on special

and do you ever get an incantation for a boon list or something?

[crude dragon]

Zeus

And Demeter

[sour flower]

thats what i was thinking tysm

what is demeters duo?

[crude dragon]

Demeter × Hestia is Freezer Burn

Freezing an enemy detonates the stacked-up Scorch for 300% of the remaining Scorch (also adds around a 1-second animation lock before Scorch can be reapplied after detonation)

[sour flower]

ahhh i see ty

[wide socket]

Are there going to be hp ponds in summit and Olympus? Also a fellow NPC room in summit?

[crude dragon]

There already is a fountain room in Olympus, assuming you did the related incantation

[wide socket]

I suppose i did but it's very rare… now you reminded me

[crude dragon]

There's also the Aphro/Hestia Duo for Scorch that locks the stacks while enemies have Weak

[glossy shadow]

Does vow of hordes, like, significantly increase gold get?

[pallid cradle]

It'll just naturally increase the amount of gold you get as a passive boost by the nature of spawning more enemies but I wouldn't say it's massive per chamber but over the course of a run it's not terrible. I wouldn't say it's worth turning on for the gold tho since it makes rooms significantly harder.

[crude dragon]

IIRC, it's specifically tuned so that it doesn't end up being a net positive on money

[glossy shadow]

Boo! I hate that, that feels like the same kind of nonsense as vow of void also nerfing judgment arcana

[vital pine]

Is it a bug for Heracles' payment to not be adjusted by wealth boons/chaos blessings? Or is that meant as a "well he's giving you what he said he'd give you? (The blessing says "any gold you earn" but?)

[raven perch]

In my experience it was adjusted

Just after you picked it up I think

[empty abyss]

gyatdauym thats strong

[elfin forge]

i want to make eris cry

[raven perch]

Good news! You can

[glossy shadow]

I want to make lady eris happy

[limpid oar]

Nerfing how? Judgement works as usual with void 1-3 and void 4 is specifically the "no arcana" difficulty

[glossy shadow]

The nerf I mentioned doesn't exist, I was saying that that feels like the same kind of unfair as vow of hordes nerfing cash drop so it comes out ~ even

(which someone else said does exist)

[limpid oar]

Fun fact, judgement actually used to not work with early levels of void, that got changed later

[glossy shadow]

thank you SG for fixing that

[vital pine]

Not for me. Can't post them here but I've got screenshots showing my Influence blessing from Chaos with +115% with Heracles' gold in front of me and 218 gold in inventory, take the 140 from Heracles, little +140 shows up at the bottom and I now have 358 gold. No adjustment

[raven perch]

Hmm well fair enough

[dusky mountain]

So according to the release schedule of the past major updates, 1.0 launch should be on October 21st/22nd

save the date

[prisma monolith]

Tomorrow, trust

[merry whale]

as long as they don't go silksong difficulty on release i'll be happy

[spiral isle]

idk, I think that's good in its own way

i was thinking hades 2 would release on oct 31st latest... hopefully sooner, but I'd get rhe flavor if so

[raven perch]

Why would they drastically change the gameplay at launch

[spiral isle]

how difficult is hades 2 from the ground up, actually? I've known that usually ppl would be at least strong enough to beat chronos at around the 12th night... though of course not strictly so (and it can vary a lot, based on ppl's experience)

[raven perch]

It’s not terribly difficult but I’m biased cuz I’ve played it since ea launch

In my opinion it’s easier than H1 but I know some people disagree

[spiral isle]

same here. nowadays I always play max frenzy, horde, and rivals, never less because it would feel like I'd miss out on the fun
I haven't played h1 tho

[merry whale]

comedy (i meant to imply h2 1.0 will likely automatically be one of my favorite releases, idk it's like 1am here)

silksong's fun but also heavy mixed feelings lol

[raven perch]

Ooh truly?

For me I think H2 is a bit more of a fun experience because Silksong is meant to be frustrating at times, while H2 is very mindless

[merry whale]

h2 has the benefit of actually relying more on tactical skill over the hack and slash playstyle of h1, and each weapon offers drastically different playstyles that are very fun

[smoky rover]

it's difficult for me to parse whether I just got good, or whether the unlocks are that powerful, but about 12-20 nights would be normal yeah

[fading knoll]

Silksong is quite a hard game

[raven perch]

It truly is! Far harder than its predecessor

[fading knoll]

I personally didnt really struggle at all but I also had a dumb amount of time in HK so liek

[raven perch]

I struggled a lot because I no longer have the loml shape of unn

[dusky mountain]

Hades 2 is kinda as hard as you want it to be, even Just For a First clear once you Spend enough time its gonna be Not hard

[merry whale]

silksong just feels like, if ur not good (like me i classify myself as a casual gamer who can go competitive if i really like a game to play it long enough) it does a kinda bad job at making sure it's not wasting my time when i do die

[dusky mountain]

Also god Mode exists

[raven perch]

I relied on worm mode like nobody’s business

[spiral isle]

tbf if silksong were too easy most people'd pick it up and forget it just as fast once they're done
I'm still in act 1, and I never played hollow knight... but it's a good kind of hard where one can really feel like they're using everything they can

[smoky rover]

okay I'm really curious which words you decide to capitaize

[dusky mountain]

how long is silksong?

never played HK so im not really in the loop

[merry whale]

like hollow knight legit when i first got it it felt a little frustrating but there were things like lifeblood and appropriate benches etc, and it felt like each region actually had a purpose with a clear end while silksong feels very nonlinear rn

not like non linear is bad but just my thoughts atm

[raven perch]

Took me about 32 hours to get the general ending but that’s cuz I really combed over everything I could

I saw someone finish it in 16 hours

[fading knoll]

took me about ~35hrs to get True Ending

[merry whale]

it doesn't feel like i know where i'm going is what im saying ig, for silksong

[fading knoll]

but again, I have a dumb amount of time in HK so its probably longer on average

[raven perch]

I’ve heard people say Silksong is more linear than HK actually

[spiral isle]

I think that's kind of the point for metroidvania, no?

[raven perch]

Which I do understand, it has quests and objectives and stuff to direct you

[dusky mountain]

so that checks out with HK which has 40-60 hrs average

[smoky rover]

I haven't played it, but supposedly metroid was full of backtracking

[merry whale]

prob, tbh i kinda just have to play the game more cuz i personally hate jabbing at games before giving it time to settle

[raven perch]

I got 300 hours in one save file just tryna pwn absrad

[merry whale]

i'm still annoyed by a particular section where the map keeper disappeared right after i got the resources to buy one

[fading knoll]

I'm really excited to get my 100% completion done (im at like ~85) so I can start trying to look at routing an any% run

[merry whale]

silksong oath of the unseen

[dusky mountain]

67 fear Silksong playthrough when?

[merry whale]

max pain

you have 3 minutes to find a region

[raven perch]

You can just call them home you know

[fading knoll]

you can find them in Bonebottom sometimes

[raven perch]

You just have to ring the bell

[merry whale]

yea i just found em at bonebottom

[raven perch]

Like and subscribe

[dusky mountain]

isnt there an achievement to get 100% completion sub 30hrs?

[raven perch]

Probably

[dusky mountain]

thats gonna be one hell of a time consuming trophy to get

[fading knoll]

I think so yeah that will be another run

[raven perch]

The map makers leave the area after you’ve completed the objective

[fading knoll]

idk if im gonna go straight for all achievements tho lmao

[raven perch]

I cannot imagine steel souling this

[merry whale]

the problem is that this area doesn't let me go back to the map keeper until i acquire a specific thing, then fight the required boss to leave

[dusky mountain]

cant wait for H2 achievements and doing em all

[merry whale]

then the region is complete and map keeper goes

[fading knoll]

wait what area is this?

[dusky mountain]

been holding off doing too much stuff just so ihave enough to do at 1.0

[merry whale]

||umbrella vents area||

like i tried finding a way back up but there just wasn't

[raven perch]

Ohhh ||far fields||

[fading knoll]

hmm
yeah thats probably true idk its been a while

[raven perch]

Yeah you get locked behind ||fourth chorus once you get the cloak||

[merry whale]

ye, oh well, at least they were in bonebottom

[vital pine]

Anyone have an asphodel run where it felt like you just weren't getting attacked?

[raven perch]

Never ever forever

Asphodel can suck an egg

[vital pine]

Oh I hate asphodel but it felt like they were just jumping around me and not throwing much of anything lol

[raven perch]

Well them jumping is still then attacking you

[dusky mountain]

is asphodel even a thing after some clears

[covert badge]

oh i read HK as hong kong and wondered why there need to be a speedrun of this lol

[dusky mountain]

i got it like 3 or 4 times total

[raven perch]

Yup i have 960 or so nights and I’m still getting Asphodel

[vital pine]

I'm on night 75 or so and stopped getting Asphodel for a while but I just got two more within the last five runs or so

lmao yeah 960 is. A bit more than me 😛

[dusky mountain]

960 sheesh

im only on 110

how many hours in Hades 2 do you have?

[fading knoll]

wow 960 thats so many

I have like
5 or smth
close to that anyway

[dusky mountain]

how many do you actually have foolish

[fading knoll]

ermm

[dusky mountain]

when you reset a run does it count as a night?

[smoky rover]

reset how?

[dusky mountain]

im assuming you abort a lot of runs when you try high fear or speedrun shenanigans

[smoky rover]

with salute? no

[fading knoll]

not with Saluting

I got plenty up before Salute was added

idk my actual night count because I havent stuck to a singular savefile

[dusky mountain]

so when you "give up" it doesnt count the night?

[dusky mountain]

whats your played time according to steam then, we can maybe deduce from that

[fading knoll]

just a small 1.4k hours

[smoky rover]

nope, or if you forceclose the game. I know because I kept bluescreening due to corrupt ram, and it never counted as a night

[dusky mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

1.4k hours is actually impressive ngl

should be more than 2000 nights for sure then

[fading knoll]

oh yeah I mean my current file is like 2.7k nights or smth

it was very easy to rack up nights in Olympic Patch and prior when rarity resetting for speedruns

[dusky mountain]

your Melinoe been at it for over 7 years night after night

[uncut galleon]

it bothers me how night count is so inconsistent bc chaos trials count as full nights

not that it really matters in any way, still bothers me

[merry whale]

o chaos count for nights 🤔

could feedback it

[dusky mountain]

yeah agreed, the chaos trials bug me a bit

[uncut galleon]

it actually made me stop doing the trials for a while because i felt like i have too high a night count for how bad i am at the game lol

[daring osprey]

I have 200-ish I think but its probably way, way higher for how many times I pressed the "give up" button-

[orchid acorn]

technically speaking they are nights though? like time progresses its no different than if you did a run and died in the first region for mostof them

made more sense when mel teleported back to her room like a normal night, but it was a great QOL change to spawn infront of the stone instead

plus like the alternative is just not tracking them in the run counter, which i mean i guess it doesn't really matter since the boons are usually given to you anyway + theirs the record timer in the stone itself. but that would grief the full run trials if they didn't track

[lucid bronze]

i don’t think there’s anything wrong with this

the game adds 1 to your night count whenever you win a run or die

chaos trial are their own mini (usually) runs

so it makes sense

[orchid acorn]

like is it kinda annoying that like like 30~odd runs are fake runs not worth looking at in history sure

but they are clearly marked as chaos trials

[lucid bronze]

much better than having them not tracked anywhere imo

[uncut galleon]

yeah, i wasn't complaining about it or saying they should change it - would have posted in feedback if that was the intent

just saying it bothers me, personally, because it's not a real run to me

[dire sand]

Arbitrary stat to tie oneself to

Like the number doesnt mean that much

Just a variant of https://youtube.com/shorts/SAd6nR82Jtw?si=WwswPV99YtH5b_Yh

[empty abyss]

it feels illegal to win against Em Chronos and Typhoon

[verbal rampart]

I discussed about Hades 2 with a friend who doesn't really like the game. She has many reasons to not like it, but among them, there are many that just straight up bother me : ||she thinks the plot is unconsistent due to the Fate not weaving anymore (her argument is : "In greek mythology, existence itself should cease to work if the Fates stop weaving") ; she doesn't like the chara-design for many of the characters (and especially Melinoë, whom she finds "over-sexualized") ; she wonders why Prometheus is mate with the eagle who used to eat his liver (her argument : "Eagles are the sacred animal of Zeus, they cannot disobey him")||. Do you think she has a point?

[dusky mountain]

Tell her this is a game

jesus lmao

[dire sand]

The myths are reimagined so I dunno why inconsistencies with other mythological sources matter

Whether or not characters are too sexualized too much is a line people gotta draw for themselves I don't have much of an opinion there, tho I will say zagreus was getting dommed by meg so like I dunno

[dusky mountain]

H1 and H2 pretty much have the same amount of sexualization

but then again if that bothers you when greek mythology of all things is the source material, i have news for you

imagine that friends reaction once she sees Dionysus

[verbal rampart]

I didn't show her all the designs but basically she wonders why Melinoë fights, well, half-naked. But yeah, at least H2 sexualizes both men and women

[verbal rampart]

I did but she is a lover of greek mythology lmao

[dusky mountain]

is she not aware greek mythology is full of sexual references and events? Just take Zeus alone, lol

[verbal rampart]

Yes but, I mean, the over-sexualization of women in video games is a real issue and she is not fully aware that Supergiant Games is aware of that problem and decided to treat men and women as the same (for example, she never saw Zagreus)

[dire sand]

Idk show her dionysus

[verbal rampart]

I will probably if the topic comes back to the table

[echo root]

Hello

[dire sand]

The rest is kinda just myth reimagining right

Like anything that says in the original myth it wouldnt go like this doesnt matter cause this is not original myth

Any inconsistencies or supposed impossibilities can just be met with 'it's not the same story'

Also we dont know all there is to know about greek mythology anyway making absolute statements on what would and wouldnt be possible in them is kinda silly given how much is lost

[polar abyss]

I know this isn’t the best response to the first argument, but the game’s story is still not done. The specifics of what has happened to the Fates and the rest of the House of Hades is not known right now. Presumably an answer to that question, of how the universe continued to move forward, despite the fates being captured, will be stated when 1.0 releases. Everything else others have said, but I would want to repeat that this game has taken some creative liberties to make the story more acceptable in the more progressive modern day, and others for gameplay purposes. Like Oceanus I believe isn’t actually a massive biome filled with sharks and hippos, and Demeter isn’t considered a child of Helios in actual mythology.

[verbal rampart]

Thanks for your answers

[orchid acorn]

ngl most of the stuff you addressed isn't going to get resolved.... like at all

its going to be glossed over if its addressed at all

[dusky mountain]

im not saying there isnt an over-sexualtion of women in video games but apart from a dress thats on the shorter side i wouldnt even say Mel is sexualised at all

[orchid acorn]

not in full battle rattle = sexualized

true

[verbal rampart]

I agree with you but I wanted an opinion other than mine

[polar abyss]

If I may ask, was this opinion of Mel based off of the bathing scenes?

[verbal rampart]

No, she doesnt know about the bathing scenes. She knows very little about the game

But the "very little" she knows quite convinced her to not play the game, which I find...sad.

[tranquil wren]

why does she think that an eagle cannot change its mind? it's just as much punishment for the eagle who has to eat liver every day

[verbal rampart]

Because in greek mythology every eagle is a servant of Zeus

[tranquil wren]

and all servants are famously known to always obey their masters

like come on

[polar abyss]

I’d tell her to give the game another chance at 1.0 release, and remember that games aren’t always designed to be a fully accurate representation of what Greek Mythology is all about; especially because Greek mythology itself is inconsistent

[dire sand]

I mean then in this version eagles arent all servants to zeus

[polar abyss]

Like if she knows about how Eagles always obey Zeus, she should also probably know that say, the story of Helen of Troy’s birth is inconsistent.

[dire sand]

So much of greek mythology is lost that claims of inaccuracy like this are to be point and laughed at I'm ngl

[polar abyss]

Sometimes she was born as a fling with Zeus as a set of 2, or 4 children, sometimes her mother gave birth to her in a literal egg, and sometimes she’s a child of Nemesis.

[dusky mountain]

honestly while this game has cool story and lore stuff it's so popular for its gameplay, if she dismisses the game entirely before even trying the gameplay i wouldnt even waste my time arguing with her.

[verbal rampart]

Well I sure won't anymore

[dire sand]

It's also entirely fair to dismiss a game on these points

You are not owed a game some deep look before deciding to buy it

You can just look at some imagery and a trailer or other stuff and go nuh uh

[dusky mountain]

sure but in that case you can only play Sim or sim like games mostly

[dire sand]

Or just hear about it and go not interested

No?

You can just be disinterested in game for very surface level reasons that's okay

[tranquil wren]

one of the benefits of mythologies is the countless retellings that have their own original spin on them

[dire sand]

Ye it's what makes mythical tales strong

[tranquil wren]

if you you're not interested in that sort of thing, then there's no point

[dusky mountain]

if her argument is that she doesnt like it cause the story deviates to much from the source material (which btw is EXTREMELY vague and has tons of iterations) its a bit ridiculous

[dire sand]

Arthurian myths also change a lot

[dusky mountain]

exactly

[dire sand]

Hell superheroes are our contemporary mythological figures in a sense and they change all the time lol

[tranquil wren]

true!

[dire sand]

Ye but in a sense it doesn't matter, if she wants something she sees as accurate (as silly as claims of historical accuracy are in general), that's her desire for media and it doesn't really need to be invalidated lol

[verbal rampart]

Next time we argue about this (but I won't be the one to start it) I'll tell her that every mythology stuff is inconsistent by design

[dire sand]

Like you can discuss whether or not things are inaccurate/what that means but you can't really start denying her her perspective on what she wants from a game like this

Mythology is not inconsistent by design per se

[dusky mountain]

but thats why i said when historical accuracy is so important to you, you limit yourself to Sims or sim likes mostly

most games have generally more unrealsitic bits just for the sake of keeping the game fun and all

[dire sand]

Mythology molds over time and partly reflects cultures of their time (like how the hades games change the family trees which was apparently less frowned upon at the times the myths were written), and, in the case of old mythologies, we have lost more sources than we have, so claims of accuracy become complicated to make.

That being said whatever you want to treat as accurate is kinda valid as a preference unless you start pressuring others to believe it or start pointlessly arguing with people whose entire job it is to figure out what accuracy might mean for those times, like historians focused on that era

Which she doesn't seem to be doing either much so I dunno whether arguing about accuracy is useful lol

[dire sand]

Ye claims of accuracy when it comes to historical depictions are just kinda Funny

[dusky mountain]

she should stick to Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 , great game

[dire sand]

I was at a history in games conference where one panel essentially stated that asking whether a game is accurate is almost pointless cause the answer is always no

Willing to bet kcd2 doesn't pass the test either lol

I know kcd1 didnt

In fact in one of its first scenes it shows a guy who is dead

[limpid oar]

Guys I've been thinking of getting a driving license, do you think need for speed is accurate enough i could skip driving lessons?

[dire sand]

Bro died in like 1402 or whatever and the cutscene was in 1403 or whatever year

[dusky mountain]

literally unplayable

[polar abyss]

Definitely.

[verbal rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-gif-7862813030606789338

[dire sand]

Also they are married to the idea of like HEMA as accurate combat of the time when any historian will tell you that any claims of us being accurate to portraying combat are just probably wrong

[dusky mountain]

i'd recomment some Gran Turismo instead

[limpid oar]

I also played GTA and did pretty ok at the driving

[dire sand]

There's a fun paper on whether or not we have historical martial arts right that concludes with a venn diagram of 'what we do' 'what they did' and the overlap is minimal

[dire sand]

Forget which but it's either

Clements, John. “Problems of Interpretation and Application in Fight Book Studies."

Or

Bauer, Matthias Johannes. “Teaching How to Fight with Encrypted Words: Linguistic Aspects of German Fencing and Wrestling Treatises of the Middle Ages and Early Modern Times.”

Had to look up the citations lol

[near bobcat]

have you tried Mario Kart Wii? That Wii Wheel may as well be driving 🤓

(all srs good luck)

[dire sand]

Ye, remember, if you need to make a corner just use the other cars for it

They're on the road to help you that way

[near bobcat]

Another suggestion: the Burnout series

okay maybe not that one

[dire sand]

F125 but with simulated damage and penalties off

Wdym I cant ram the other races in the actual event

But that was my racing line I practiced

[limpid oar]

I have tried it on the switch does that count? (Also I'm not actually getting a license just now, i was just joking )

[verbal rampart]

Also, I tried the aspect of Circe on the Witch's Staff. Is that the better aspect yet? Because it sounds pretty OP to me

[limpid oar]

All staves except Momus are in a very good place right now

Idk which one out of the others is the best but you can't really go wrong

[dire sand]

I check aspect qualities by going to src and seeing what is fast rn

Oh look it's like 60% medea skull still

Maybe 70 even

[polar abyss]

Here’s what I’m personally thinking;
Circe staff is the middle ground between Anubis and Mel Staff.
Mel Staff takes a while to set up, but its peak compared to the other staffs is huge. Dealing huge bursts of damage constantly.
Anubis is immediately strong, but its peak may be a little lower than the safety of Circe and raw damage of Mel Staff.
Circe fills in that middle ground where it’s a bit stronger than Mel Staff out the gate (due to the psychic leash, and a single cast boon basically being all it needs), and a bit stronger than Anubis by the end due to getting its damage consistently and safely.

[orchid acorn]

the instructor will be impressed if you complete the test faster

the speed limit on the roads is just a developer suggestion

[limpid oar]

Ohh is that like just for beginners?

[orchid acorn]

yeah its like a tutorial

[polar abyss]

I would personally rate Circe staff as the best staff (and possibly the best aspect in the game if not for Medea), but the “Non-Momus staffs” overall really have grabbed the attention of the whole community since Unseen. Minnit says the staffs were always strong though, so…. Idk. Staff is best weapon, go propagate that across the world you know.

[smoky rover]

when it's enclosed in a red circle, the number suggests the minimum speed

[limpid oar]

What happens if i can't reach it? Do i fail the exam?

[orchid acorn]

no the game just detects your a novice driver and adjusts accordingly to your mmr

homeless are extra points btw

[limpid oar]

Ahh thanks for the tip!

[limpid oar]

Mininet has always been a coper

[orchid acorn]

idk i wouldn't have called the basekit of staff bad pre unseen

like in a vacuum without considering aspects i liked how staff worked

just the aspects were so god damn boring and trash to use

even momus at 1.5 was boring af

i was hoping for a melee aspect staff but that never happened

circe is peak at least

[limpid oar]

I've never liked staff omegas and I still don't like them all that much. In patch 5 I just spammed attack with the right hammers on all 3 staves and the aspect was only there for aesthetics

[orchid acorn]

omega attack is nice, omega special sucks

[limpid oar]

The oattack just feels so strange to aim on controller

[thick coral]

i dont wanna sound annoying but is there an expected date for the release of hades 2?

[smoky rover]

9/11

no, there isn't

[dusky mountain]

what about Momus though

i suck with it and dont like it personally

[dusky mountain]

October 21st

according to my calculations and psychohistory

[old hemlock]

I can see the future and he is Right

[thick coral]

i really wanna play it rn but i reckon its better to wait for release if its in a few months

[orchid acorn]

best we can give you is 2025, and even that theoretically can be wrong

[thick coral]

i heard that a ton of things will be changed in the full release

[orchid acorn]

its almost assuredly going to be before november 19th, and most likely before november period but we aint devs nor is there official confirmation. For all we know they are typing up a press release announcing a delay to spring 2026 w/ a new major update announcement for november

[fading knoll]

From who lmao

[orchid acorn]

you heard wrong tbh. they even have a statement in the roadmap saying that basically the only thing getting added is story stuff

[thick coral]

some of my friends who played this game

[orchid acorn]

. We have no plans for additional regions, encounters, abilities, and so on.
Your friends are just wrong tbh

[thick coral]

so if i play it rn, and the update releases

nothing will change except for more story?

[orchid acorn]

Likely some more stuff than that, but nothing in a large way

we aint getting a whole new reigon with 3 new enemies per region, a new weapon etc

[thick coral]

oh damn, i've been holding the game off because of that im so stupid

[orchid acorn]

The "expected" content based off of what hades 1 added and stuff we can more or less "confirm" is 2 keepsakes, a secret encounter/fight and the post final boss stuff

[tranquil wren]

I thought it was 3 keepsakes 😔

[orchid acorn]

Possible

But there is only 2 borderline confirmed ones

Hades + Hypnos

[tranquil wren]

gotcha

[thick coral]

oh yeah, what about the achievements, will they automatically track when added or what?

[orchid acorn]

Its entirely possible that we get a 3rd via a new NPC only met with 1.0 story stuff like fates

[dusky mountain]

3 fates keepsake when

[orchid acorn]

Some will be retroactive, most will need you to complete them again