pvp

[finite fog]

[torpid shuttle]

lately, it kinda feels like unzen gun is better on anchorage

doesnt live long enough to hit backline anymore

and she is hitting jintsuu

andrixt is haunting me man

literally won by one lightning bolt proc

[stable dawn]

the point of hinde gun wasn't to hit backline as much as pierce through the entire enemy vg and thus deal more raw dps than unzen or drake gun

[torpid shuttle]

makes sense

[scenic tendon]

Too much speed.

How about a repair box or EM.

[steel coral]

if you just want hp use dress

[scenic tendon]

It costs time to get it.

[torpid shuttle]

jim shim fom doesnt need any soeed auxes right

besides beaver backline

[scenic tendon]

Yeah, you have 2 DDs.

[torpid shuttle]

and actually with jim, is black torp oxy that much more important than musashi radar black shell?

to wear beaver on backline instead

[scenic tendon]

Musashi black what.

[torpid shuttle]

black shell

heavy shell

[scenic tendon]

???

[torpid shuttle]

?

[scenic tendon]

Why are you using that?

[torpid shuttle]

im asking a question

cos jim as a cl can wear beaver for some ehp

[scenic tendon]

Beaver goes to backline due to their low eva stat.

[torpid shuttle]

that's it? over more dmg?

did triple BB wear radar shells or did you rudder them

[scenic tendon]

Over more dmg?

[torpid shuttle]

black shell buffs their dmg

[scenic tendon]

Like hell you can dodge these torps and shells with 40 eva stats

If you die, your big dmg goes nothing after all.

[torpid shuttle]

did they wear rudders before current meta?

[scenic tendon]

Table and a survival aux.

Or a hit/eva aux with table.

[torpid shuttle]

i see

[scenic tendon]

Also hit stats is important as eva stats.

Your big dmg can miss without some decent hit stats.

Black shell is just a terrible aux for pvp because there is no hit stat on it.

Speed, eva, hit. Three most important stats in pvp.

That's why your pve gears don't run well in pvp.

[torpid shuttle]

if jim's on asw torps, does she do double oxy fine

i could do goldburn if it matters

[lusty hill]

asw torp don't have as good magnetic as black torp aux

[torpid shuttle]

i dont have second blacktorp yet

[pseudo copper]

Big issue with them is damage

I rather run no black torp tea torp over them

[torpid shuttle]

oh rly

ill try it, wont hurt

[pseudo copper]

They are less damage per torp and 1 less torp

[torpid shuttle]

double oxy IXs for now then

[pseudo copper]

Mag wise is relatively weak too

[scenic tendon]

Should be around 75% overall dmg of teatorp.

Thrash.

[lusty hill]

the mag can't snipe backline as good as black torp aux

[late heath]

When you’re in doubt, Kashino is the best pvp ship

[scenic tendon]

Pvp in bed.

Sure.

[torpid shuttle]

now i just suffer the other issue of pvp

dead server

[lusty hill]

sandy?

[torpid shuttle]

washy

[scenic tendon]

Even worse.

[pseudo copper]

Not a problem

[scenic tendon]

[pseudo copper]

Sandy soon to be worst again

[finite fog]

sandy is worse though

[scenic tendon]

But I mean, mid ladder gaming ain't even related to how dead the server is.

Frick Sandy.

[pseudo copper]

Is it already deader than Washi again? Lmao

Shortest lived overtake

[scenic tendon]

There are like 5 people who is actually trying.

The rest just died.

[pseudo copper]

Soon r20 Amagi = r1 Sandy

[torpid shuttle]

is amagi a strong server?

[finite fog]

[torpid shuttle]

i know avrora lexi

[pseudo copper]

Amagi 2nd most active

[scenic tendon]

[pseudo copper]

Sometimes having higher scores than Avrora now

[scenic tendon]

It won't happen as I'm still here.

[pseudo copper]

3 2600s so far this year

2603 and 2 2601

[scenic tendon]

Smh 2594 is the highest score in Sandy this year

[late heath]

Amagi is the most active, even if nobody run for pvp, I still do

[scenic tendon]

Don't worry, I have an agency in Amagi.

You guys will have to face me soon.

[pseudo copper]

[finite fog]

just revive sandy pls

[scenic tendon]

Ask Fbss.

[pseudo copper]

Can't revive a braindead patient

[scenic tendon]

Atleast braindead not brainrot.

You don't have to think vs pvp.

[scenic tendon]

Can you draw me a minor?

[late heath]

[torpid shuttle]

do u guys have +13 rainbow oxys

[winged depot]

tf

nope

[scenic tendon]

Nope.

[winged depot]

I don't think I even have one oxytorp in the first place

[scenic tendon]

Better invest plates for better things.

Like Amagi-chan.

[lusty hill]

I think people do +13 black torp

[torpid shuttle]

well that was cheap

[scenic tendon]

Yeah, you can +13 3 black cucumbers instead of only one.

[lusty hill]

I only +13 pearls, cosmic kick, and manjuu

and torps and 457

[torpid shuttle]

im actually closing in on full +13 pvp gear

but I am not oathing

[scenic tendon]

Pvp brainrot.

[lusty hill]

[scenic tendon]

Oh wow.

Then semi-pvp brainrot.

[lusty hill]

full oathed = unbeatable

[torpid shuttle]

musa oath is for other things so it's fine

[scenic tendon]

P2w gamemode

[lusty hill]

f2p bullying

[winged depot]

[scenic tendon]

I started pvping with nothing.

Even sleep schedule.

That's how I reached R1 the second season I've played (also because Sandy is dead af).

[ocean quest]

hey pace leader was higher pace than lexi last reset

by 1

alive server yes

[torpid shuttle]

im pretty sad too

im able to keep up with full meta now

[ocean quest]

hmmm

really

theres like 3 good fleets at most

[torpid shuttle]

yea

one year ago i couldnt

[ocean quest]

and im getting 50% win ratio vs them

[torpid shuttle]

if Im not walled then it's good enough

my reset rates arent obnoxious too

• i meant that I actually have all the ships

[ocean quest]

well you dont need to be beaten to get walled 2-3 resets can bw enough

[torpid shuttle]

it wasn't before

[ocean quest]

last season i finished at 3s left

[stable dawn]

congrats you can now compete for eos

[ocean quest]

because walled (had to retry 2 times)

[ocean quest]

gap is closing

[stable dawn]

until aotn

[ocean quest]

hey its 10 for me

did you get bonuses this set

[stable dawn]

I'm sitting on one right now

[ocean quest]

damn

[stable dawn]

he just has to move early

[ocean quest]

ig it will stay

[stable dawn]

[ocean quest]

did you roll my ass

no way id need to finish for a bonus

[neon bronze]

coming in clutch

[stable dawn]

no lmao, I got AndersonSM. Been waiting for 3h to see if I can reroll into a second bonus at 9/10

but I'd need to hit top 3

💀

[ocean quest]

second? damn you're eating good tonigh

streak of 0 sets and now a potential +2

[stable dawn]

normal pace leader shit

being pace leader is a debuff

unironically

[ocean quest]

i wonder how many more 6/10 +1s will i roll

[stable dawn]

cope Bonjet rushes

[ocean quest]

got 2 this season

[winged depot]

more +9s than +11s

[ocean quest]

my rng is rigged trust

[stable dawn]

good rng can't help you if you get walled

[ocean quest]

my solid solid 50% wr will carry me

[stable dawn]

use KENNY

I tested a bunch, had around 68% WR against Amatir

[ocean quest]

but you have oaths and gear

[stable dawn]

the mirror was worse

[ocean quest]

i have one 457 at +13

[stable dawn]

and Yakuza had like

40%

[ocean quest]

tf dont tell me you actually have a shit winrate

[stable dawn]

lolololol

[ocean quest]

i thought you were at 60-80%

[stable dawn]

now ofc the difference is a lot of those losses are due to instant rng shit I'd restart anyway

[ocean quest]

even in mirror

[stable dawn]

e.g. my NJ gets torp'd immediately

[ocean quest]

well yea

[stable dawn]

smacking reset button, don't care

but it still affects my actual WR

[ocean quest]

erm it could've still been a win 🤓

[stable dawn]

in that amount of time I could retry 3 times and get a steamroll 15-20s win

better use of time to just farm for torp rng

[ocean quest]

hm do people actually move very late nowadays

[stable dawn]

Aelyra started moving at 5m

they're not even a bagger

[ocean quest]

i feel like you can get walled really easily if you roll a wrong fleet at a wrong time

[stable dawn]

I'd never go below 5 in 5m

[ocean quest]

even on high end apparently

[stable dawn]

meta is toxic

least fun I've had since yuki vs yuki duels

[ocean quest]

ig moving at 7-8 min isnt that early

[stable dawn]

but it is safe

[ocean quest]

it is

[scenic tendon]

yes

I hate being the pace leader.

I just want to be a sleeper.

[brazen socket]

Time to get my revenge

though

mirror match

this is gonna take awhile

lol

[ocean quest]

🥸 weird looking hiryuu they got in there

purple lookin

[brazen socket]

I meant mirror match in my vanguard

both of us running anti torp

my only issue in the fleet rn is fortune is 7 levels behind everyone

[whole salmon]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1r94y1H7yb/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

A copium counter idea from CN of using Musashi NJ Amagi

To have Amagi's eva rate buff to backline cope that you dodge torps

Overall, not a viable idea due to consistency and disadvantage of not having Hiryuu

[floral wave]

amagi too cope in 2023

would have to be "always hits" to make me even consider it

oh, its about the buff

yeah thats even worse

for some reason i thought she debuffs enemy eva/eva rate

[steel coral]

amagi just simply doesn't provide enough of a survivability boost

which is the whole reason to use her in the first place

[ocean quest]

south dakota comes in

[floral wave]

real

[neon bronze]

[neon bronze]

amagi - nj - hiryuu

[floral wave]

wont kill anything

kear sodak hiryuu tho

[stable dawn]

oh yeah, do you have a link to the video of their testing with Agir mid for countering Anti-Torp?

[floral wave]

wait

agir?!

[stable dawn]

yeah to slow the enemy vg and have them get blown up by your vg and Musashi

[floral wave]

would that be jintsuu agir fort?

[stable dawn]

problem is, you might lose to old Ancho Shima Juneau comps

[floral wave]

hm

seyd hiryuu musashi

shouldnt lose to old ones

[stable dawn]

at that point why not use HYMEN backline

[floral wave]

because agir needs a bigger purpose

[stable dawn]

honestly though, if we had a DD with decent survivability and a guaranteed freeze skill on torp hit or something

would actually shake up the meta

[floral wave]

theyre permanently frozen when they blow up

[stable dawn]

if only bisko black hole spawned closer

[floral wave]

btw wasnt agir not so successful in late testings because enemy vg was too fast to reliably hit slow?

and now vg is even faster

[stable dawn]

no it was actually because she's fat and eats torps

[floral wave]

i mean it might make them run into it more but still

[stable dawn]

but with Fortune META, you can counteract that

so

[floral wave]

i think i remember ari saying agir has issues hitting shit because theyre too fast

[stable dawn]

[ocean quest]

implacable

timestop pvp meta

[steel coral]

yumi time

[floral wave]

getting alive to second strike

[whole salmon]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1tC4y1E7g7/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

Copium Overdose alert

[whole salmon]

There’s another vid with Fortune M instead of Sirius but I lost the vid

As in I don’t have it noted

[neon bronze]

🕵️ 📁 🔥

[stable dawn]

[brazen socket]

these feel too much like a hyperspecific comp which doesnt really take the current power of torpmeta

[steel coral]

agir did literally nothing

[stable dawn]

oh wow is it literally just retry until you combo them to death

[brazen socket]

but muh cool dragon

[steel coral]

the 2 times aquila hit were the 2 times the vanguard rammed the invisable wall

[brazen socket]

honestly if I wanted to cope on aquila why not just use kenny with sirius fortm jintsuu?

that agir did a grand total of nothing

agirs purpose is to slow with torpedos
she uses mag torps which are slow
fortm deletes torps
whats the point

[steel coral]

she can work with seyd

but relies on seyd targeting vg

[brazen socket]

why not just use hindenburg tbh

[stable dawn]

CA gun that slows on hit when

[brazen socket]

CA that time stops everytime she lands her shots (she has 100% geo accuracy)

bringing back that pvp time stop bug, which quite literally breaks pvp meta

[stable dawn]

akagi chan returns

[ocean quest]

at least her feet are better than her in pvp

[pseudo copper]

CA gun with more than 5° of angle when?

[coral wren]

What are some good ships to have for pvp?

[serene epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1177365744795779192.gif?size=48&name=CheckThePins&quality=lossless

[coral wren]

Oh, thank you.

[finite fog]

[boreal comet]

[finite fog]

[zenith lantern]

Back when I was maining Seydlitz + Agir I was never using Agir for the slow, it was barely even noticeable tbh. She was decent because her damage isn't that bad and if she didn't die to Shima she was actually quite surviviable. Now we have Felix and she is way better though

[torpid shuttle]

why not feather if off flag?

[finite fog]

don't have feather/feather on kear

[torpid shuttle]

wtf?

chicharon is a bit old player right

and wtf is feather on kear

[finite fog]

eva/avi, the logic checks out for me

[torpid shuttle]

kear has radar fuel/manjuu right

[torpid shuttle]

so with neither, then wnt off flag is optable for feather instead on hiryuu?

[finite fog]

seems fine, but im new here so i'll wait for the others to chime in

[torpid shuttle]

and even then

is WNT just droppable?

with hiryuu flag

[neon bronze]

wnt is good to have regardless of position

and maybe there is a case where i might need wnt active; cba swapping gears w/ sushi's beaver

[neon bronze]

haven't used kear yet to form a reliable opinion

[scenic tendon]

Wnt on Hiryuu, Keasarge uses table/manjuu for annoying purpose.

Feather has eva stats and that's why some people use it.

Kear's damage aint that bad to be honest.

[brazen socket]

On PVE shes near or well around NJ damage

She really does have good base damage shes just held back by the fact shes slow and her damage tooks longer to ramp up compared to NJ whos immediate + auto 15s barrage

[torpid shuttle]

pogchampion

[scenic tendon]

Its normal.

[clear briar]

[neon bronze]

gaming

[clear briar]

Thanks game

[neon bronze]

[torpid shuttle]

I lost one but

Im still at risk of taking negatives

why are people so low wtf

[stable dawn]

torp meta is just making people lose

we saw a similar level of score drops when Musashi first came out

[brazen socket]

Either people are losing too much or EN is as always sandbagging too hard

[stable dawn]

probably both

I think a lot of players started sandbagging once the guide came out

but this only caused them to overcap and thus drop scores even further

I take no responsibility

[finite fog]

[valid oxide]

I bag until I overcap then I give up

[brazen socket]

Forever locked out of 2600

It is only a dream

[boreal comet]

Unknown still gonna eos but you won't

[valid oxide]

I won't eos (I have up early season)

[pseudo copper]

They aren't following the Deathkt strat

That's why

[valid oxide]

What's deathkt strat

[stable dawn]

bag 2 rush 1 until aotn

then turbo bag all 3 sets

[neon bronze]

guess death waits faster ig

[pseudo copper]

I sometimes rush 2 or 3 till aotn

[trail temple]

Make a sandbagging guide they said, it'll be great they said

[brazen socket]

wake up
sandbag
sleep
forget to do tries
overcap
repeat

[half silo]

this is the way

[scenic tendon]

Wake up
Sandbag
Sleep
Repeat 4x.

[half silo]

Cut the sleep part

Waste tbh

[scenic tendon]

Sandy is in easy mode, you can sleep.

[half silo]

2 AM reset begs to differ

[scenic tendon]

2am 2nd set

[half silo]

Wish I wasn‘t from eu in this case

[scenic tendon]

Just play normally, Sandy aint't that hard.

[half silo]

B-but bagging…

[scenic tendon]

Sandbag till you go sleep.

Ez.

[half silo]

Believing in good rolls

[scenic tendon]

Just go to sleep alr.

[half silo]

I don‘t need to sleep now

10 AM rn for me

I meant it like the 2 short resets happen at night for me

[scenic tendon]

Then bag 1 rush 2.

Or just bag normal and wake up before the 2nd set of the night.

[half silo]

[floral wave]

either go sleep past 2am or wake up before 8

and youre good

[scenic tendon]

Sounds like sea timezone.

[floral wave]

no, thats eu

8am, 8pm, 2am

[half silo]

EU time

[scenic tendon]

My 2nd reset is literally 2am lol

[floral wave]

its our 3rd

that is 2an

am

[scenic tendon]

2pm, 2am, 8am here

[half silo]

But then I won‘t have an excuse for bad sleeping habits

[scenic tendon]

Even worse lol

[half silo]

Time for server change

[scenic tendon]

Cn/jp/tw?

[floral wave]

kr

[half silo]

Isn‘t jp also more casual than cn?

Then cn prob

But censorship sucks

[scenic tendon]

[half silo]

Need ma booba

[floral wave]

every server is casual when it comes to pvp

[scenic tendon]

Bro wants to start it over because of pvp

[half silo]

Sandy is casual among casual

[scenic tendon]

If you can't achieve things in a casual environment

[half silo]

pvp rework when

[half silo]

Just joking

[scenic tendon]

How can you play with your new account without any experience?

[half silo]

Gain experience

[scenic tendon]

Experience in pvping.

Or sandbagging to be accurate

[half silo]

Ahh that‘s what you meant

Uhh doing well enough I would say

[scenic tendon]

[floral wave]

if you join the old server your experience wont help early on anyway

[scenic tendon]

No gears, no meta ships.

Nothing.

[half silo]

that‘s the neat part

Pro tips for starters:

1. kill fast
2. don‘t die

[scenic tendon]

Just try your best. Sandy is easy but only for some of us

[half silo]

ik ik

[finite fog]

real pro tips for starters:

1. keep a schedule
2. don't overcap
3. don't ruin your life sleep

[scenic tendon]

I'm a noob so I'd say its a decent server.

[floral wave]

youve already ruined it playing al

[half silo]

Have been gone for a while from pvp but trying it rn

[floral wave]

so can skip that

[half silo]

6 years too late for that

[scenic tendon]

[floral wave]

yeah i mean the tips foe starters

[scenic tendon]

Good food.

[floral wave]

for

[half silo]

Yeah starters got it pretty hard this late in the game

Missing so many ships

[floral wave]

i mean, at least meta ships wise its pretty easy right now

if you played recently

[half silo]

Start in december

Wait till jintsuu meta is back

[floral wave]

nah, meta will change before that happens

[half silo]

Most likely

[floral wave]

or we'll get a stronger torp bullshit

[half silo]

Washington retrofit

And back to SoCal SoDak + Washington meta

[floral wave]

you mean

sodak

[half silo]

Fck yes

even getting the names wrong smh

[neon bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/514333656312053763/1039694600182444062/ezgif-4-e521278335.gif

[visual flax]

Is PvP the thing you do after the hard content?

[stable dawn]

yes

when there's nothing else left to do, might as well pvp

because your other options are cat rerolling and Fleet Power grinding

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1143584325300932698.webp?size=48&name=xdd&quality=lossless

[pseudo copper]

Just do all 2

[ocean quest]

hello @torpid shuttle

[scenic tendon]

fcking KENNY.

[ocean quest]

[scenic tendon]

You can do it right away.

It requires no skills at all trust me.

[ocean quest]

gotta make up for the bonuses i rolled off of

[scenic tendon]

@stable dawn your Washington fellow...

[stable dawn]

you are taking a dark path

one that will bring only shame and dishonour to the Washington name

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-cat-eating-eating-eating-cat-gif-8459125914348971806

a door has opened on Washington

[scenic tendon]

LET'S FCKING GOOOOOO

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/supervising-devil-on-your-shoulder-angel-on-your-shoulder-conscience-kronk-gif-13015310

idk

where the manju go

[trail temple]

He isn't the first

[stable dawn]

unfortunately

[scenic tendon]

Pvp lore.

[serene epoch]

Here and there
pics removed because mods are pussies and butts not allowed (ref to Le Malin's and Owari's skins)

[neon bronze]

got it bro

[serene epoch]

Also

[neon bronze]

le malin skin l2d is banned, png is fine iirc

[serene epoch]

iirc cropping butts and boobs banned too
@random anchor right?

[neon bronze]

oh i see then

[coarse herald]

wasnt owari skin fine? also for le malin only the l2d animation is banned

[scenic tendon]

Rip Asanagi's skin

[serene epoch]

#rules message

[coarse herald]

I didnt deny the cropping part, just the 2 skins you chose in your example

[finite fog]

[ocean quest]

dont worry i would never

[torpid shuttle]

was i free

ill move rn if you haven't done it

[ocean quest]

oh i was at work

not like i asked to move anyway

[torpid shuttle]

but i can tho

[ocean quest]

not that bad

torps rng

i needa switch my shit ill get walled by most random shit someday

[torpid shuttle]

wym not that bad

[ocean quest]

i tried it for like 10-15 minutes and it wasnt that bad

before i accidentally won

[scenic tendon]

Nice testing bro

[finite fog]

why don't i remember this

[scenic tendon]

Nnn.

[finite fog]

i was probably half asleep and didn't notice the +9

[scenic tendon]

Long time ago.

I mean last season

I had been throwing.

[boreal comet]

Very long time

[torpid shuttle]

i prob shouldnt complain about score drops when i have meta defense fleet but

i also want to flex my ships on defense

idk

[scenic tendon]

[coral wren]

What should I change

[neon bronze]

Musashi or Kearsarge replacing VV
Aquila is fine, Hiryuu is fine as well, heck u can use third BB. Can keep Aquila
Frontline is fine as is

can i see ur gears?

[coral wren]

Kearsarge is dev23, no musashi

Cant get ss atm of equips, will do it later once I get the chance

[neon bronze]

FdG - NJ - Hiryuu then

[coral wren]

and the vanguard is ok?

[scenic tendon]

Its one of three correct choices that you have right now.

[trail temple]

Probably want Hiryuu over Aquila tbh

[coral wren]

and fdg over veneto due to no preload because of aquila being out i guess?

i thought aquila/vv would work better due to faster games

[trail temple]

Fdg, kearsarge, vanguard, etc.

VV kinda dead weight

[coral wren]

no vanguard either

[trail temple]

And your fleet power looks kinda low too, so it appears gear isn't maxed either

[coral wren]

i got 76mm on shimakaze, rainbow torps, the hit aa gun, repair box and 550hp item, ur gun on harbin, gold torps, +fp aa, steering/toolbox, for jintsuu meta golden belgun, +13 gold quadmag torps, hit aa, toolbox+steering

i guess that's why

something on the lines of these, wondering if i should go oxy on jintsuu and harbin instead of toolbox

[scenic tendon]

Don't use rainbow torps on your torp-focused ships in pvp.

Check the pin for proper gears.

[trail temple]

#pvp message

Use this link

Trust

[coral wren]

i use it on shimakaze because of the normal battles

[scenic tendon]

I don't trust these links.

[trail temple]

The blue gun on shima is fine

[scenic tendon]

Too sussy.

I forgot to do my monthly challenge run.

[neon bronze]

can run this i guess

then again, it is sandy server. this'll do in a pinch

[hollow walrus]

Guys is Constellation and San Jacinto good in pvp?

[stable dawn]

no but if you use them I'll pvp with you irl

[lusty hill]

San Jacinto will have a preload and a barrage that crash the game

[torpid shuttle]

so how does anchorage counter antitorp?

when i used it, it had shit winrate

[neon bronze]

idk lol

@stable dawn halp

[stable dawn]

what's your gear setup

[torpid shuttle]

i used twin torp at first

but i died to preloads

so i didnt even bother with trying quad torp

[torpid shuttle]

fortm just lived longer

[stable dawn]

the other option was using ancho main tank with jintM mid and shima off tank

might be stronger tbh

[torpid shuttle]

ancho main tank was at least better than offtank ancho yea

but idk why ancho is a part of rock paper scissors

[neon bronze]

[boreal comet]

@fickle echo

Didn't even need to reset

[fickle echo]

I'm not even using Musashi

[scenic tendon]

Smh Tamaki's biggest follower.

[boreal comet]

I shill with Tamaki

[scenic tendon]

I'm hungry.

[coral wren]

why wyvern instead of ryuusei?

i assume it has bigger crash damage and intercept?

[tacit fox]

1 rank away from aotn rush

[ocean quest]

more damage

[neon bronze]

Crash dmg

Converging used to be meta but it changed

[stable dawn]

ryuusei can whiff if they track vg

[ocean quest]

jintsuu meta on death torps are kinda like ryuseis

[stable dawn]

actually true, which is why we want her to die late

[ocean quest]

tank jintsuu

[stable dawn]

doubler boiler jintsuu?

[torpid shuttle]

I OVERCAPPED

[grim solar]

How come Tigercat isn't as recommended on Hiryuu Kai?

[torpid shuttle]

flapjack has more crash damage

[grim solar]

And I'm assuming Sea Hornet also has more crash damage?

[torpid shuttle]

no?

wtf assumption

[grim solar]

Well it is an assumption.

Okay but why Sea Hornet over Tigercat?

[torpid shuttle]

faster cooldown

[ocean quest]

[ocean quest]

faster speed

[grim solar]

Ahhh.

[ocean quest]

whatever you have +13d works

be it flap, tigercat or seahornet

[grim solar]

Is WNT situational?

[ocean quest]

WNT is a good item for stats but its not recommended on flag on attack

[torpid shuttle]

huh?

every single person i ask gives different response on WNT flag

[grim solar]

I'm just confused as to what to give to Musashi's 2nd aux.

Kear has the badge.

[ocean quest]

id give musashi beaver

and get kear wnt off flag or manjuu or whatever the fuck

[ocean quest]

id say it gets move value if you have better or equal gear than your opponent

if you have worse it will widen the gap, i would say

but you dont really get anything from slower fights in current meta

before you could stall for shinano but now you dont really have that

[grim solar]

This should be a good setup right?

[ocean quest]

musashi flag

[grim solar]

Musashi is the flag yes.

[ocean quest]

she would be in the middle then yes

[stable dawn]

purple gun

[ocean quest]

and yea blue gun

[ocean quest]

true or not true @stable dawn

about wnt

im a noob so my words may be jumbled

[ocean quest]

also where manjuu

[stable dawn]

I never use wnt flag, but I'm biased because I play exclusively aggro

[ocean quest]

are you running anchorage

[grim solar]

My Manjuu's on Anchorage but I don't use her anymore on PvP.

Tho I am respeccing my fleet atm.

Now on the vanguard.

[ocean quest]

well you'd prefer to use manjuu in pvp

[grim solar]

Which ship would Manjuu be on?

[ocean quest]

the only one that can use its effect i presume

[steel coral]

[grim solar]

But I use JintM, Shima, and Harbin.

[ocean quest]

i think you're using a uss ship in your mainfleet

[grim solar]

Nvm I'm stupid I forgot this is an EU exclusive gear.

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/anupamaa-anuj-kapadia-true-that-gif-25683861

[neon bronze]

blue gun beaver sushi, manjuu kear off-flag, wnt hiryuu flag or off-flag

Trust

Take the red pill of Double Invul

[grim solar]

Aight.

[neon bronze]

why ur sushi use bowgun

sword

sushi ain't even equipping any AP main gun

[grim solar]

Aight will also change that.

[faint copper]

I think I need some advice on building a serious PVP squad. For now I've just been using my mob fleet of Nelson(Flag)/Howe/Unicorn Portland/Helena/Laffey but its time for me to get more serious. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[neon bronze]

shimakaze. Nice. How's ur Jintsuu META progress? She'll be gone soon

are u near like 25k pts for mlb

[faint copper]

Yeah I got her MLB

I just didn't level her to 70 yet

[wheat vector]

shimakaze, enterprise and anchorage are good pvp ships i think

[faint copper]

working on anchorage now, sadly don't have her yet

[steel coral]

work on getting harbin, FdG, and Hiryuu

can use soemthing like hood/nelson/enty + jintm/shima/yuudachi in the meantime

[faint copper]

Alrighty, my fleet points arent too high yet but will definitely work on them, been raising up hiryuu's skills in the background on the chance she's relevant, same with Juneau

[wheat vector]

juneau is somewhat relevant

[ocean quest]

maybe in previous meta

[wheat vector]

[stable dawn]

she can probably carry you to aotn

[faint copper]

will get her into the grinding squad then once Shima and Kazagumo are done, same with hiryuu

[scenic tendon]

check the pin

[scenic tendon]

check the pin

[steel coral]

yeah tell the new player to use all the meta ships they don't have

[scenic tendon]

there is a section for new player.

[faint copper]

I'll just steal them, no one will ever know!

[finite fog]

how to kill discussion and community

[lusty hill]

[boreal comet]

We kill him

[finite fog]

[brazen socket]

You're saying that as if a community exists

[finite fog]

Check the pin

[brazen socket]

Check the joke

[finite fog]

[boreal comet]

How about I check both of you

[stable dawn]

@light crystal

[boreal comet]

Out

[neon bronze]

what is he running

[stable dawn]

VIRGIN

[neon bronze]

Real

Well then, when's the seggs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/999167614985195600.webp?size=48&name=PauseChamp~4&quality=lossless

[brazen socket]

Wtf VIRGIN comp

[torpid shuttle]

so how does double torp counter antitorp

[scenic tendon]

Antitorp is a variant of double torp.

So you can mirror-match it.

Or run Anchorage to slightly counter it.

[torpid shuttle]

but how does anchorage even counter it

im asking about ingame

not the rock paper scissors

[stable dawn]

by winning vg fight so your backline has an advantage

anti-torp is squishy and if you can deal enough damage to ensure they sink to musashi barrage, ez win

in fortune mirrors, both vgs often get destroyed after musashi barrage leading to a backline vs backline fight

imo double torp is better on HYMEN to assist in reveal

but also in the weird off chance you find yourself in a hiryuu vs hiryuu duel, ancho usually will be unaffected by airstrike if she lives to reach backline

so that's pretty much a guaranteed win when final counter invuln wears off

like it's a very nuanced counter pick and for general climbing I just use anti-torp

it also might still be faster to just reset the fight until your fortune outlives theirs if you have a good phone lol

[scenic tendon]

That is the reason why Anchorage can counter Kenny comp.

[stable dawn]

yup, no musashi

[scenic tendon]

Because you don't have that kind of anti-vanguard ability to kill Anchorage with 2 457mm

[stable dawn]

also kear ghost gun is wacky

[pseudo copper]

Not as wacky as you in bed

[stable dawn]

[scenic tendon]

Funny enough, from my experience while using kenny, you can actually be walled by old stall comp if unlucky.

[stable dawn]

MSN good again???

[scenic tendon]

Anchorage and Juneau are just too many heal for no anti-vanguard fleet.

[scenic tendon]

No, not a chance.

But bdsm can.

Also Hymen.

[stable dawn]

I thought KENNY countered HYMEN

smh

[scenic tendon]

Because bdsm just kills all your vanguard.

Then these Anchorage and Juneau...

The real reason why I switched to MK Hero.

[scenic tendon]

It does. All you have to do is not to be too unlucky.

I saw my white shell NJ and Keasarge killed Musashi in 4 shells.

[torpid shuttle]

my overcap is killing me

[scenic tendon]

It gives you more time to sleep.

Take it or leave.

[desert temple]

I am just getting into PvP after not doing it for uhh 3 years or so. How is my fleet? I can provide my other ships if you need them

Here are my top ships

[serene epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1177365744795779192.gif?size=48&name=CheckThePins&quality=lossless

[desert temple]

Ah apologies, i will read

hmm it does appear just throwing UR ships into one fleet does not equal pvp meta

Is Jintsuu META still good if I did not get all her copies? I did not do OS very consistently

[scenic tendon]

Should atleast 5*

[serene epoch]

Well

[scenic tendon]

[serene epoch]

You fucked up current meta

[desert temple]

oh

[serene epoch]

Congrats

[scenic tendon]

She is meta changer.

[desert temple]

and what if I got no copies?

[serene epoch]

Cope with old comps

[desert temple]

yeaaah I messed up

okay, I can just use a different fleet I suppose

[scenic tendon]

Diff vanguard comp to be accurate.

[serene epoch]

You still use hymen or mk hero backline but with felix, shima, fortme vanguard ig

[desert temple]

oh nice thank you!!! I shall use Felix, I like her

my shimakaze needs more levels

[torpid shuttle]

still hit aotn with six runs poofed

[ocean quest]

0 refreshes into set 3 this is fine

[neon bronze]

same lol

[clear briar]

All these AoTN rushers make us patient end of season runners' lives easier

[ocean quest]

they avoid my lists

[clear briar]

Set an oathed destroyer as your secretary and you'll get all of them trust

[scenic tendon]

Wtf derick

We have a DeRickz on Sandy.

[ocean quest]

I've got something better

[torpid shuttle]

well cos if i bag, then ill be like rank 50 and not touch aotn

[ocean quest]

oh i was saying about myself sorry

[torpid shuttle]

o

[ocean quest]

used 4 refreshes to avoid a -1

like a boss

i will eat shit this set

[torpid shuttle]

i didnt need refreshes to avoid overcapping but

i wouldve had like 4-5 runs per reset

to wait for people to climb

[ocean quest]

2332 10/10 its fine

[clear briar]

Wonder if challenging someone with the same exact score as you gives you a +0 or -1

[fickle echo]

+0

Play pvp on LE and you'll never forget about it

[ocean quest]

[neon bronze]

Hi, do you still have any PvP attempts left? Lel

[late heath]

Yes

[boreal comet]

PpP

[abstract kite]

I think this is the channel for this.. now.
This is my current exercise fleet. I don't really know if I should show their equipment or not? This is basically the best that I have. Is it any good for what it is?

[valid oxide]

Read pinned doc

[ocean quest]

[valid oxide]

(NJ and Wales are probably the only ships there of any value)

[abstract kite]

Interesting, never knew about this

[hollow walrus]

send dock so we can check what you need to build towards

[abstract kite]

Shall I just show all SRs/URs?

[abstract kite]

Here

[hollow walrus]

quick question do you have jintsuu meta

or rather can get her to max limit break

just wondering because I don't see her there

[abstract kite]

Nope

[neon bronze]

What server are u in

[abstract kite]

Sandy

[neon bronze]

i see

[scenic tendon]

Okay Sandy...

Interesting.

[neon bronze]

U don't have that much ships actually leveled up

[abstract kite]

Yea I'm pretty off and on with this game, played since 2018

[neon bronze]

NJ - Vanguard - PoW or Hiryuu - Seattle - Shima - Juneau

Work on getting:
Anchorage - replaces Seattle
FdG - good option

[abstract kite]

Oh I am horrible with the PR ships

[neon bronze]

would also recommend getting Harbin and Kearsarge, but faction tech is horrible at face value

[abstract kite]

I only have Seattle cause I paid for the thingy
I've not gotten a single PR ship

I am going for Kearsarge

Combat Data Collection or whatever that XP things name is is so hard for me to do..

[scenic tendon]

Take your time.

It's not hard but it takes time.

[neon bronze]

just put 3 ships from a faction, farm for a good while at oilcap stages and then call it a day

[abstract kite]

Maybe part of the reason is that I have gone from Monarch to Drake to Kearsarge lol

[abstract kite]

I've never done farming before

[neon bronze]

also wouldn't just recommend u jump thru pr ships for progress

[neon bronze]

Why tho, it's literally the way you get a lot of stuff done

[abstract kite]

I don't really have the time to I guess is the main reason

[abstract kite]

True

[torpid shuttle]

it surprises me when i see relative randos doing the meta well

so if i had 2559

how low is that

[neon bronze]

t15-35

idk much about washy eos, @stable dawn could answer that

[steel coral]

wall without fortm

[ocean quest]

prob around 30-50?

[stable dawn]

depends on the season

last season it was around 35
season before it was top 22

[trail temple]

Thank the pvp spreadsheet

[clear briar]

Thanks Chien for moving

[buoyant parrot]

47mins before reset, I hope I get to wall someone. get walled you cuck

[clear briar]

That Grinch pfp is so accurate

[ocean quest]

i guess i was rank 2

checked lb a second too late

[clear briar]

Wooooo

[scenic tendon]

Wooooo

[ocean quest]

really 1 point behind

[boreal comet]

Throughout heaven and earth

You alone are the honored one

[scenic tendon]

I wasn't Yukana'd.

[serene epoch]

Without fortme it is not wall.
It is fence

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1096617636546224148.webp?size=48&name=peperanch&quality=lossless

[finite fog]

step

[boreal comet]

sister

[finite fog]

[brazen socket]

You guys could probably add shinobi attire alongside celestial body

shinobi is just celestial but instead of changing you to muse it makes you senran

[stable dawn]

the reason we added body is because it can be farmed from WA

[brazen socket]

Ah

[stable dawn]

really hoping they eventually make non-collab versions of Goldburn and Wirbel Luft

[neon bronze]

UR AA gun good now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1024914079720144936.webp?size=48&name=Gayge&quality=lossless

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/969126825940881498.webp?size=48&name=BASED&quality=lossless

[lusty hill]

isn't wirbel luft is identical to cosmic kicks?

[ocean quest]

no

[torpid shuttle]

wirbel is an hp speed item

[neon bronze]

wirbel is hp+spd; cosmic kicks is eva+spd

[whole terrace]

That fleet is wild dude

99% of the teams I fought before that were super easy so that was a rude awakening lol

[serene epoch]

[brazen socket]

Ether truly wished upon a star

[lusty hill]

no kearsarge

[torpid shuttle]

does NJ kill vanguard more reliably to relevant degree?

[brazen socket]

Hymen is a more general comp than ones with kearsarge

[torpid shuttle]

not less general?

[brazen socket]

Uh can u elaborate im slow

[torpid shuttle]

isnt hiryuu kear musashi supposed to cover vs CV comps as well

[brazen socket]

Yeah

[torpid shuttle]

so nj is less

or more

[brazen socket]

... wait fuck

Im stupid

Mkhero is the more general one

[scenic tendon]

Haven't seen anyone complaining about MK Hero.

But about Hymen... Well... A lot.

[torpid shuttle]

isnt that because people play against mkhero less

[scenic tendon]

Mk hero is hard to be found.

But I believe it is stronger than Hymen.

[stable dawn]

HYMEN is a good general comp but has problems when facing itself in a mirror matchup

because you just have to pray your torp rng is better than your opponent's

and that NJ will snipe the enemy Hiryuu before theirs snipes yours

[neon bronze]

most of the time my invuls proc after the opponent Hymen's invuls

"Most"

Yep there's sometimes a need to actually reset lol

[scenic tendon]

MK Hero is just a better way to deal with Hymen.

You'll surely gain some form of advantage for your Hiryuu.

That's how Kenny can counter Hymen.

[pseudo copper]

[neon bronze]

Would

where's that orange cat reaction pic

[scenic tendon]

Your attack formation should be "if me attack...".

[buoyant parrot]

no, because of aux reasons.

tell Famine and Himmel to change theirs first, when they do I'll change mine.

[scenic tendon]

You use Hiryuu mid?

[buoyant parrot]

yes

[scenic tendon]

I said "attack formation"

[buoyant parrot]

exactly what I just said, I won't change formation because Hiryuu is mid.

[scenic tendon]

???

[buoyant parrot]

and that's what it looks like when you view the fleet having hiryuu mid, that's what the positioning on the screen

[scenic tendon]

Hiryuu is fine in mid slot in def formation.

But I'm talking about the attack formation.

[buoyant parrot]

who said I'm attacking, I'm wall lord

[scenic tendon]

You use Hiryuu mid in attack?

Imagine getting walled while trying to wall someone

[buoyant parrot]

so far never happened after the Himmel incident

[scenic tendon]

You play al pvp you alr losing

[buoyant parrot]

as long I get to be a hindrance from people trying to EoS, I'm gucci. I can die happy :D

I'm doing gods work from preventing unwrorthy no life tryhards

[scenic tendon]

Sounds like you are still being obsessed since that incident.

K

Haunted.

[buoyant parrot]

well I was already walling since the day I retired, it was just a surprised that I lost doing so on my daily stuffs routine, that rarely ever happens

[scenic tendon]

[buoyant parrot]

that means im old and outdated. Must Upgrade

imagine still using Aquila on offense and not having any Meta Jintsu and Fortune 🤮

[scenic tendon]

[scenic tendon]

You really eos'd.

I hadn't expected that.

Nice try on having reached R4.

[finite fog]

ohhh it's the new guy

congrats on r4

[late heath]

Just run Kashino, very easy win on attack

[scenic tendon]

How to get R1 fast?

[lusty hill]

rush on first set, screenshot your r1 and post the screenshot here

[scenic tendon]

That's how you can reach r1.

[lusty hill]

[boreal comet]

1kitty

What is thy wisdom today

[scenic tendon]

sleepvp.

[trail temple]

He's still tryharding

[neon bronze]

Ask everyone in your list to use their PvP attempts

Rinse and repeat until season ends

[half silo]

Ty ty

Did some mistakes along the way so could‘ve been a better score

Also congrats to R1

[neon bronze]

hmm... Interesting

[scenic tendon]

There is nothing to be happy about as it's just a normal thing.

[half silo]

the will of nature

so it seems

[brazen socket]

when using Mk hero does sushi carry beaver and kear uses manjuu?

[scenic tendon]

As always.

[neon bronze]

u can use manjuu kear, other options exist as well

[ocean quest]

qem without fortune meta

at least meme on point

[neon bronze]

going to adjust for that Lel

[gritty quiver]

is ancho + shima + unzen viable

[ocean quest]

"viable" viable? yea

[torpid shuttle]

stronger than some things

[ocean quest]

viable? not really

[gritty quiver]

ill stick to juneau over unzen then ig

[boreal comet]

Stall in December 2023

[ocean quest]

when are you gonna try bagging @torpid shuttle

[gritty quiver]

idk i run yakuza or something like that

[torpid shuttle]

im approaching finals

so i wont bag

[gritty quiver]

shinano is a massive pain

[ocean quest]

you can rush half the sets and still easily eos on washy

[boreal comet]

Haven't had any problems with offense running hymen

[ocean quest]

but i can respect the decision, this gamemode sucks

[boreal comet]

Very true

But so does pve

[ocean quest]

well at least you can do pve at any moment you want

[scenic tendon]

You can just don't care and still reach R1.

[ocean quest]

in the leaderboard of 'not caring', you're ranked low.....

[scenic tendon]

I'm caring, carefree but not careless.

[ocean quest]

[torpid shuttle]

i sandbag one match a set

[ocean quest]

oh you overcapped last season

[torpid shuttle]

only once

cos

i was busy

still posted aotn so im fine