which one tho
#history
spring briar
maiden citrus
colorado mark 8 maybe
spiral cedar
Mark 8 gun meaning Mark 5 shell?
spring briar
mark 8 shell Jaba...
spiral cedar
Mark 8 is the SHS
spiral cedar
aka not Colorado
spiral cedar
Mark 8 is also the chromium lined Colorado gun
maiden citrus
the mark 5 ap shell of mark 8 gun
spiral cedar
Which fired the Mark 5 AP
spiral cedar
2-piece Type 91/1 APC with removable cap head + windscreen
maiden citrus
[insert acr ap]
spring briar
<:Thinkpitz:754192058163527732> 2-piece Type 91/1 APC with removable cap head + ...
so the 8"?
nvm
you mean the 460
spiral cedar
Any would do really
spring briar
that would be beyond my current capability
spiral cedar
Long term goal then
spring briar
once I get a proper lathe
spiral cedar
Was gonna ask if you were lathing these
spring briar
I use a grinding wheel
to do the rough shape
then I put it in a drill and use a small triangular file to put in all the details
spiral cedar
A drill huh
spiral cedar
I wonder if you could kill someone by dropping it onto their head
spring briar
from enough height sure
maiden citrus
we call that a mortar
spring briar
French apc size compared to my pen
spiral cedar
I suppose the question is, what shells would be the most unique in exterior shape
spring briar
I suppose the question is, what shells would be the most unique in exterior shap...
richie's shell is up there
and the russian SAP
spiral cedar
maybe one of those antisub shells? I wonder how they look
spiral cedar
Something flat nosed, yeah
spring briar
hmm
I feel like this anti sub shell would be a bit boring
I'll look for another
heh
Johnson cap USN APC
honestly jaba, finding an interesting underwater shell will be hard so I'll just do the one I showed above
spiral cedar
spring briar
spring briar
the USN doesn't have any real stand outs aside from that wacky 16" HE stuff
or the johnson cap AP
spiral cedar
spiral cedar
spring briar
blyat
spiral cedar
Russian shell for an Austro-Hungarian gun
Russian:
AA mod 1928: 4.98 calibers
HE mod 1915: 5.05 calibers
HE mod 1928: 5.22 calibers
spiral cedar
Russian:
AA mod 1928: 2.95 lbs. (1.34 kg)
HE mod 1915: 4.34 lbs. (1.97 kg)
HE mod 1928: 2.73 lbs. (1.24 kg)
I wonder why they reduced the burster
alpine onyx
Oi, stop censoring me
spring briar
I'm pretty sure you know of the german 5.4 cal HE shell used in Langer max (ex-wurtemberg/sachsen guns)
alpine onyx
At least you didn't go Germ*n because of gendering issues
spring briar
G fluid
spiral cedar
Germyn
manic latch
Gerwoman 
spring briar
tbh
when looking at Bayern's shell I can't help but notice it's literally a french APC shell with a tiny windscreen on top
I wonder how that came to be
hmm
convergent evolution?
In all seriousness it would be interesting to find more info on earlier german APC caps
spring briar
spring briar
Ballistic test with 3 projectile
1° without cap (ommitted in my test)
2° with pointed cap (see image below)
3° with stump nose cap (see image below)
Results against carboard plate at 45° V0 ~ 20 mps (see images below)
for pointed cap projectile: long "track" with oblong hole at the end
for stump cap projectile: very short "track" with round hole at the end, noticeably higher exit velocity
Conclusion: even at lower velocity, having a cap edge (like on the stump cap) achieves the same effect as the high velocity tests against steel!
cinder escarp
Okay but when do we get a BB grade wadcutter?
spring briar
wadcutter against sloped cardboard would do the same as the stump cap shell but with less jagged edges around the hole
some HE shells are basically wadcutters with a thin ballistic cap
so against lightly armoured targets you could even use such HE instead of say
sap
eg.
literally this with a ballistic cap
desert agate
subtle prawn
ivory ridge
spring briar
@somber knoll
somber knoll
Poggies.
btw, what were those rim-like cutaways at the back of the shell?
spring briar
rebated boat tail
somber knoll
spring briar
you mean this part?
somber knoll
yeh
spring briar
yeah it's a rebated boat tail
like this
actually more like this
but same principle
somber knoll
Hm, I've seen the boat tail on smaller bullets but never saw a rebated one. tyty.
subtle prawn
Italian Prime Minister Marshal Pietro Badoglio and his government fled the German occupation of Rome back in September and have set up their headquarters in the port city of Brindisi, right on the heel of the Italian boot.
Badoglio proclaims: “Italians! There will not be peace in Italy as long as a single German remains on Italian soil… Shoulder to shoulder we must march forward with our friends of the United Nations, of Great Britain, of Russia and of all the other United Nations.” Tomorrow, Italy will also declare war on Japan.
Badoglio sends a note to General Dwight D. Eisenhower informing the Allied commander-in-chief in the Mediterranean that his country’s forces are now in service of the Allies. “By this act, all ties with the dreadful past are broken and my Government will be proud to be able to march with you on to the inevitable victory.”
In response, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Prime Minister Winston Churchill, and Premier Joseph Stalin issue a joint statement that their governments “accept the active cooperation of the Italian nation and armed forces as a co-belligerent in the war against Germany.”
Picture: Marshal Pietro Badoglio reads the declaration of war. Next to him sits US Brigadier General Maxwell D. Taylor. Brindisi, Italy, 13 October 1943
Source: Unknown.```
tough quail
should've crammed an eight road wheel on without lengthening the hull somehow
dapper parcel
Hm, I've seen the boat tail on smaller bullets but never saw a rebated one. tyty...
If you ever see flow or pressure map behind a bullet it makes a lot more sense
tribal mortar
Besson MB 411 loading in Surcouf
subtle prawn
wide mountain
Something I am curious about: When it came to WW1 and WW2 maps. When it came to Japan. Why did maps prefer to use the military flags as opposed to the nation flag?
junior trench
Red circle on white rectangle while (somehow) unique, is not distinctive
remote monolith
@spring briar saw hit talking about WWI ships in another server and when he mentioned the Anglo-French I became curious about something, should the French Navy be put in a Jutland like position against the German Navy how would they fare?
eager dove
I mean the French in WWI had like what
4-8 dreadnought battleships tops?
the Germans had like 17 on the outbreak of war?
plus the 4-5 battlecruisers iirc
it's more even with regard to predreads
but the French don't seem particularly well off to fight large fleet engagements alone versus the Germans
eager dove
the hilarious 12 degree maximum elevation for French battleship turrets is a total hinderance to fighting at range in a sea engagement
absolute maximum engagement range of a whopping 15,860 yards
atleast the Germans attempted to boost their elevation to like 16 degrees during the war
spring briar
Yeah it wouldn’t go very well
spring briar
spring briar
frigid karma
just saw out the top of the gun window so it can elevate more
spring briar
cinder escarp
aerial mines
The soviets got a lot of kills with those in WW2
No joke
The AG-2 aerial mine lobbed by the DAG-10 launcher
spring briar
tepid mulch
`A section of the United States Declaration of Independence listing the colonies' grievances against the King explicitly notes:
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation: For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us.`
The M1A2 SEP TUSK will join!
Tato will be happy 
with improved thermal optics and add-on armor designed to increase protection in urban fighting environments
manic latch
no roof ERA
Weirded me too
Wonder if US relied on those machine gunners for balcony attacks
ivory ridge
it's the tusk without the turret armor
unborn wyvern
The US tends to use Infantry to prevent roof attacks on tanks
ivory ridge
meanwhile the russian stream mentioned Hungary as possible sub tree for Italy
cant wait to see T-55s and T-72M1s in the italian tree /s
spring briar
manic latch
and her TOWER of power
Ye refit was needed to be more special than hyuga
ivory ridge
spring briar
who tf asked for a second helgoland
chilly osprey
The Kaiser, at one point
eternal veldt
He did more than ask, I'm sure
sent a whole damn plan to the navy and got called as "unfloatable"
chilly osprey
He was a special child
eternal veldt
https://i.imgur.com/16uhSfx.jpg perfect timing too, given a certain game's release of something
spring briar
The Kaiser, at one point
I was literally wondering who would make this joke
I did not expect you do be the one doing it phoe
unborn wyvern
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/774679167346016289/1021123869702103070/...
"Say The line TurretJack"
"Today's GUN-a be a good day!"
"Haha! I love this little guy!"
spring briar
https://i.imgur.com/16uhSfx.jpg perfect timing too, given a certain game's relea...
seems the kaiser was a fan of the MN
eternal veldt
To defeat the enemy, you must become the enemy
therefore, ask five different companies to each build a pre-dreadnought and see which one is best!
ivory ridge
they trialled one
ivory ridge
manic latch
manic latch
Where Marine Nationale
I really expect Bismarck before MN
spring briar
I really expect Bismarck before MN
yeah that's a certainty no?
no MN ships in that initial leak
eternal veldt
The really ironic part is that the prints for French ships isn't exactly hard to get either
stares at the whole archive of drawings
like, all the way from 1884 to 1967
do the funny, please, WG or WT
ivory ridge
maintain the ratio but only up to a certain point
in 1939 they are essentially the same tonnage
eternal veldt
Yes, Italy was closing that gap fast
In 1940, considering only major ships in service or under construction, Italy counted 280 ships for 700,722 tons compared to 240 ships for 827,972 tons for France, and the tonnage ratio had reached 0.85:1 compared to 0.63:1 in 1931 (401,318 tons compared to 638,660 tons) and 0.64:1 in 1919.
Mostly based on this.
eternal veldt
As in, France had many under construction?
ivory ridge
i find different numbers around, like Phoenix has 600k vs 594k in 1939
ivory ridge
spring briar
we should both have put some of that sweet navy money into our air forces and tank forces and you know it lol
shrewd pecan
Tato will be happy <a:Rossiya_Pet:778204874550542348>
I have a entire Finnish tree and a new abrams to grind
hurrah
manic latch
China also got Tor
shrewd pecan
man if its a abrams that can pull off the T-80BVMs side ERA bullshit I'll take it
junior trench
ARAT isn't publicized and is probably going to get given non-KE ERA values despite the hilariously beefy flyer plates
manic latch
She also has gen 2
junior trench
They also modeled the ARAT wrong
shrewd pecan
👁️ tho Swedish T-80U as well
manic latch
Meanwhile Italy 
Given the new Churchill Crocodile has a flame thrower
Wonder if Gaijin will stay serious on adding them
Since they do nothing but hurt enemy's fps
shrewd pecan
along with a Leopard 2A6
manic latch
Yeah it would be equal to giving a bomber napalm only option
Glad to see her as well
shrewd pecan
god damn
manic latch
This is the strongest Skyraider right. Or is it AD-7
manic latch
>new m1a2
>2a6 and 80U for sweden
>Type 10 prototype
And uhh F2 Early for reasons
ivory ridge
i dont give a fuck about planes ngl
junior trench
I like how they gave Sweden 2 more MBTs but not a Sherman or Panther to give them a single normal fucking tank in that general range
Because the funny TD and weird shit memes are great and all
But sometimes you just really need a tank to fight an objective
spring briar
is OF40 in WT?
manic latch
France got another Mistral
ivory ridge
is OF40 in WT?
3 of them
spring briar
junior trench
Considering the ranges in WT's forced urban maps
Flamethrowers setting people's shit on fire could absolutely be worth something
manic latch
France got another Mistral
SANTAL
junior trench
Especially if it's able to bypass cover at all
manic latch
Flamethrowers setting people's shit on fire could absolutely be worth something
Centauro mains:
Yeah fire can be useful for wheels
junior trench
It's a Churchill
manic latch
M67 let's go
manic latch
It's a Churchill
Nah speaking of future fire boys
junior trench
M67 wouldn't be added
manic latch
junior trench
For the same reason the L3 flame and the T-34 flame wouldn't be added
No main armament
Sherman Zippo on the other hand could be added
shrewd pecan
M67 would be completely useless
junior trench
Because it has a coax 75mm flamethrower setup
Which could result in really stupid close range memes with dumping a 75mm smoke round into someone's face
And then lighting them on fire
manic latch
For the same reason the L3 flame and the T-34 flame wouldn't be added
Wasn't that KV1 aka KV-8?
OT-34-85: created from the T-34-85, had an internally mounted flamethrower ATO-42 replacing the hull machine gun
spring briar
double fun when the smoke particles are mixed enough with the air to create an aerosol mixture
which would be ignited by the flamethrower
to cause an airburst basically
strong plank
is this what people mean when they say air fryer
junior trench
manic latch
junior trench
No
shrewd pecan
spring briar
wonder if they'll add the finnish coastal defence ships before the MN
god it would've been hilarious if the Soviets attempted a breaktrough via the gulf of Finland only to be ambushed by two tiny BB's hiding behind a forrested island shooting 254's at them at a rate that would make a Brooklyn blush (paraphrasing here)
ivory ridge
very fun
spring briar
shrewd pecan
👁️I still think Italy should get a Spain sub tree
spring briar
junior trench
junior trench
With such a short parallel bearing surface
ivory ridge
👁️I still think Italy should get a Spain sub tree
mediterranean sub tree 
junior trench
Outranging Soviet guns more than a decade younger
Through the power of funny shell
ivory ridge
idk with sweden getting Finnish 2a6 for no reason other than "muh nordic nations" i dont see italy getting the spanish Leo 2E as that weird
spring briar
With such a short parallel bearing surface
very much reminded me of French 155 mm shells from the LP guns
(WW1)
~1917 -
long windscreen energy
feel free to send more shells
stiff mauve
WG has failed us....
Imagine being unable to fit Quad 406s in front when you clearly can with room to spare.... /s
ivory ridge
WG has failed us....
Imagine being unable to fit Quad 406s in front when you cl...
that's not how ships work
"room to spare" is not the only thing you need on a ship
stiff mauve
I jest
ivory ridge
and that thing is already top heavy af for obvious reasons
frigid karma
Yet this is wg we are talking about
ivory ridge
stiff mauve
I mean WG thinks the Citadel is a giant empty box
So surely having massively top heavy ships are fine because you know...what the heck is balance
subtle prawn
ivory ridge
spring briar
@spiral cedar 8” type 91
spring briar
need to paint
spiral cedar
Time to hit some magazines
spiral cedar
I wonder, were the Type 1s painted differently
spring briar
different symbol
and the tip wasn't colored
just being white
oh wait the orange is a 20.3 cm common
so I assume the type 91 was still white
still a fairly pretty shell
will do 46 cm shell fairly soon
subtle prawn
spiral cedar
subtle prawn
tough quail
T-44 is bold
tough quail
it makes you based
chilly osprey
I think the choice of pfp makes you a weeb :p
chilly osprey
heh
tough quail
though i kind of think its hard to call a T-44 like
underrated
and more just obscure
because they didnt really get deployed
spiral cedar
Now where are Boise and Pensacola
Salt Lake City
tough quail
like yeah it's literally 1:1 better than a panther in nearly every aspect while being lighter but also they just never really used it so most dont know its a thing
spring briar
Salt Lake City
Oh it was Salt Lake City
maiden citrus
salt lake based
tough quail
talk to me about su-100s
spring briar
salt lake based
I adore the Pensacolas
They are adorable
Very beautiful
Very powerful
tough quail
disregard armor acquire m a s t
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
disregard armor acquire m a s t
And then they got rid of them
manic latch
Gangut
tough quail
they ran out of miscellaneous AA guns to slap on
so they just installed this guy too
manic latch
talk to me about su-100s
Bigger
tough quail
beast killer my beloved
manic latch
Tiger 2 fans when eating a 152mm
tough quail
he gang toot if you up
tough quail
what is it now
spring briar
JB deck pen by mas
tough quail
oh god is it the usual MAGAZINES BAD AAAAAAAAAAAAA
spring briar
Nah just someone asking if she really is as bad as one of their friends says she is
tough quail
the crippling design flaw of being shot at while stationary from absolutely absurd ranges by the best deck punching battleship in the world under a nominal ally's construction
and even then i think she needed to list slightly into it to make it stick
junior trench
well that's a surprise
shrewd pecan
immune from the BMP-2 and 3s 30 MM
spring briar
spring briar
Because the extra side protection?
shrewd pecan
yeah CV-90 and the BMP-2M won't be able to pen it
spring briar
Neat
shrewd pecan
plus if its as trolly as the T-80BVMs side armor
it can likely just eat shots it has no business eating
Sweden tree is also looking interesting
its getting a much tougher top tier lineup for what was already a insane top tier line up
STRV-122s A & B + Leopard 2A6 + T-80U
ivory ridge
immune from the BMP-2 and 3s 30 MM
for... a couple seconds
shrewd pecan
you say that
but the amount of times the T-80BVM has sustained constant 40 MM fire from my CV-90 to the side
ivory ridge
skill issue
spiral cedar
These unsubstantiated reports, and others, were seized on by those who had long warned about the German threat. The Atlanta Journal reported that Carl Vinson, chairman of the House’s naval committee, was “confident that the attacking planes and ships were Japanese in name only.” The Democratic chair of the Senate Finance Committee, Walter F. George, was quoted by the same paper as saying that many Germans planes “have been overhauled and flown to Japan… and there can be no question that the attack [on Pearl Harbor] was arranged and engineered, as to time, by the Germans.”
shrewd pecan
ever just see a vehicle so stupid in concept
that god orders its only prototype destroyed
the prototype ended up being destroyed in a fire
ivory ridge
cringe 6 wheels
shrewd pecan
105 MM gun on a vehicle with 7 dismounts
strong plank
so they basically mashed a tank and an ifv together
shrewd pecan
Despite the 7 dismounts it still held 42 rounds for the 105
cinder escarp
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/vickers_mk11.htm
This uh, is a terror on WGRD
One of the only good vehicles the Aussies get
shrewd pecan
This uh, is a terror on WGRD
I hate that it could be so much better
they could of moved it out of the vehicle tab
and made it a actual aussie IFV
vickers Mk11 with Commando 90 dismounts
what we could of had
tho I never bothered looking into the actual vehicle and how stupid it was until now
"yeah so we made this for Southern African countries that want a vehicle with the firepower and ammo capacity of a tank and able to deploy 7 dismounts"
cinder escarp
Nah we bought it from the poles )))
spring briar
@manic latch turns out this is not a 16" training shell for Soyuz
this is a 12" SAPC shell from Bofors for the Espana class battleships of Spain
the dude standing next to it is just really small
manic latch
<@688903088819404825> turns out this is not a 16" training shell for Soyuz
this ...
But doesn't the training shell look different anyway
A single piece without cap
spring briar
I mean this one
manic latch
Yep
spring briar
you can't see that anyways
manic latch
Ah
spring briar
you can only see the windscreen in either shells
eternal veldt
What being bankrupt does to a mf
last 74 gun third rate and they scuttle her anyway 
eternal veldt
the real NSFW is sawing the barrels off
spring briar
manic latch
Hehe boy
According to reports, the next-generation main battle tank will have two crews instead of the three currently used for the Type 99
ivory ridge
chilly osprey
drifting patio
spring briar
humble mulch
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thorny scarab
@drifting patio How bout no
spiral cedar
Going great already I see
maiden citrus
strong plank
eternal veldt
Well then.
ivory ridge
Something something yamato good iowa bad
delicate beacon
Hi
spiral cedar
But at what cost
delicate beacon
I don't know
eternal veldt
The horde draweth near
delicate beacon
I've already ruined D&D night
eternal veldt
The calamity of Bismarck wankers, wehrbs, and the like
delicate beacon
My mind is a mush after the last night
eternal veldt
May the lord and saints preserve us.
shrewd pecan
The horrid masses will be entering
delicate beacon
Latias and Tea just told me wehrbs is a big nono in General
But Ikeaboo and stuff is fine? 
opal jetty
🥴
shrewd pecan
we have a horrible time ahead
eternal veldt
Sirene, you and your diesel bias does not belong here
You're hereby sentenced to the shadow realm.
alpine onyx
Oh yeah?
spiral cedar
https://tenor.com/view/titanic-privilege-honor-sink-gif-15938390
Hnm, that’s an idea. Abandon #history and abscond into a lifeboat (a thread)
strong plank
Didn’t the band go down with the ship though
spiral cedar
The people running behind him
shrewd pecan
we’re truly going down the history channel pathway
humble mulch
Banning irl bias
This part of the rules has been there since Berci was banned
shrewd pecan
anyway who wants to prepare copypastas about ancient aliens
alpine onyx
Chaos!
eternal veldt
Let's see if this channel will sink faster than Hood's deck penetration and magazine explosion
spiral cedar
3 minutes?
eternal veldt
With 1415 deaths, yes.
shrewd pecan
This part of the rules has been there since Berci was banned
odd thought mr I am totally not a argie left on his own accord
eternal veldt
What's this for?
alpine onyx
I'll claim that at least 70% of the frequent posters in this channel have bias, and have it show (me included)
An alternative M-class design
kindred sparrow
He got banned from help for his bias making him effectively a troll
Then he continued in history and lore
shrewd pecan
I don’t know how one man can hate the British isles so much
eternal veldt
Britain bad
spiral cedar
Maybe his brother died of cordite poisoning
strong plank
his parents were killed in British Alley by a pair of Englishmen
eternal veldt
Actually, I'm not going to lie
opal jetty
You'd think that a person who actually hates Britain would use a justifiable reason instead of making shit up
eternal veldt
"Britain bad" was apparently a criticism towards Master and Commander The Far Side of the World
alpine onyx
Hey, at least the British didn't have sacrificial auxiliary machinery in their TDS
eternal veldt
"It depicts the French and British empire in the Napoleonic Wars, empires are bad, it therefore is a bad movie"
alpine onyx
shrewd pecan
Like anything remotely British he hated without reason
eternal veldt
Thank you, twitter
shrewd pecan
I swore he had to either be a troll or Argentinian
spiral cedar
Hey, at least the British didn't have sacrificial auxiliary machinery in their T...
wait did they really remove the powangry emote
opal jetty
You'd think that a person who actually hates Britain would use a justifiable rea...
Because there are many justifiable reasons
And yet.
delicate beacon
It was underused IIRC
strong plank
Didn’t he have a meltdown on the ECTL discord when vanguard dropped
eternal veldt
his parents were killed in British Alley by a pair of Englishmen
Didn't know Berci's parent's names are Vocabulary and Grammar.
strong plank
on an alt account or something
cinder escarp
<:HistoryChannel:738219464046280754> we’re truly going down the history channel ...
I thought I would never see someone else with a history channel emote lmao 
strong plank
They also removed the Sirius emote
spiral cedar
🇭
shrewd pecan
I have many upon many emotes I never use
strong plank
Unforgivable
cinder escarp
(I went out of my way to cap the icon from the all-WW2-all-the-time era as well)
eternal veldt
You know what, it's surprisingly quiet so far
or is this just the calm before the storm
delicate beacon
Anyway since I can ask here now
shrewd pecan
“call in the twenty million questions on Bismarck”
delicate beacon
Do any of you have recommendations on literature about British radar during the war, or info about the RDF 262, 282-285 programs?
spiral cedar
Nop, something I’ve wanted to find more about myself but haven’t had the time to search
eternal veldt
Straight to business, Sang
delicate beacon
Yeah well
There's so much I have discovered and more questions I have
I found Max Staal's memoires.
eternal veldt
Meanwhile Renown is giving me a meltdown with her 3000 different portholes
delicate beacon
And although it doesn't contain much, save for a few hilarious British incidents, it does tell something weird about radar.
eternal veldt
all located differently 
delicate beacon
Silver 
humble mulch
Also feel free to use threads
Sure Richy and Jaba can use those for there Ballistics and shell posting
delicate beacon
Hmmm shells
spiral cedar
Also feel free to use threads
Sure Richy and Jaba can use those for there Ballis...
No
tribal mortar
Was this just added
maiden citrus
threads, yuck
alpine onyx
dagga dagga dagga
spiral cedar
Here it comes
maiden citrus
Was this just added
just made public, was a club
spiral cedar
Was this just added
No, it’s been around for a while, just as a club
strong plank
It's by starting, you guessed it, a diesel
infidel
tribal mortar
Oh
strong plank
embrace the cult of the turbine
alpine onyx
Why go with a turbine, if I can have a Diesel?
spiral cedar
Why go with a turbine, if I can have a Diesel?
Maybe you’re a synthetic oil industry lobbyist
delicate beacon
is it truly a magnum opus if it isn't a book about weaponry with the blueprints of a jar of mayonaise on the cover
alpine onyx
Answer whatever you want, I'm deaf already, ears bleeding from the noise levels in the motor room
eternal veldt
is it truly a magnum opus if it isn't a book about weaponry with the blueprints ...
me dumb, cannot write book, only see funni different things on different bote
I also sniff paint thinner, a very bad habit of mine, I know
delicate beacon
We all have our hobies
alpine onyx
cinder escarp
Answer whatever you want, I'm deaf already, ears bleeding from the noise levels ...
Post pancakes
delicate beacon
Some of us have shells, some smell diesel fumes, some sniff paint thinner
eternal veldt
Answer whatever you want, I'm deaf already, ears bleeding from the noise levels ...
Alright, back to serious question. Usually for steam turbines, one problem is that if pipe lines break from shell hits, superheated steam basically badly wounds everyone.
delicate beacon
And me, I eat blueprints.
strong plank
hypothetically could I run an abrams on nothing but canola oil
eternal veldt
What's the equivalent for that for diesel stuff?
delicate beacon
hypothetically could I run an abrams on nothing but canola oil
I don't think the engine would like that.
strong plank
but it would be doable right
cinder escarp
is she at the bottom of the sea?
eternal veldt
I guess BLEVE is a thing too, but I'm not familiar enough with machinery
spiral cedar
Alright, back to serious question. Usually for steam turbines, one problem is th...
Also, do riddled uptakes impact engine performance in maritime diesel propulsion to a similar or lesser degree compared to steam turbines?
eternal veldt
~~is she at the bottom of the sea?~~
She...likely isn't at the bottom anymore.
Due to illegal salvaging.
Good bye, sweet prince.
alpine onyx
Diesels don't have such lines, but it does have the issue that they can only operate until a certain tilt or else lubrication pumps can no longer work properly
shrewd pecan
anyway do I have a question for the AFV nerds, I need a source for Abrams production numbers by variant, and which older tanks they were rebuilt from. Secondly I need some sources for technical specs on M1 CATTB & Thumper
spiral cedar
Tilt including ship list/heel or some other kind of tilt?
alpine onyx
Only case where I know it occurred was when Lützow took a list after a torpedo hit
And the motors had to be stopped until she returned to 10° or less
Obviously it has to be a prolonged list, this wasn't noted during heavy seas
shrewd pecan
(the mil balance from any year I check is not helpful)
spiral cedar
That sounds quite non ideal
I recall Hornet and Yorktown listing by more than that after their initial 2 aerial torpedo hits
vapid tartan
hmm
alpine onyx
I don't know how much effort is needed to fix that, or if it is fixable on a system that scale to begin with
The two strokes I worked with you could rotate however you want and they'd keep running
cinder escarp
anyway do I have a question for the AFV nerds, I need a source for Abrams produc...
So, it's actually very hard to get concrete numbers... because of so many rebuilds and mods.
shrewd pecan
I need rough estimates
alpine onyx
Actually I should see if Lützow had some machinery running when she got Tallboy'd in 1945, she had like 50° of list after that near miss but managed to correct it
shrewd pecan
I don't need to count any variants that come out post 2000
cinder escarp
Well I mean, there hasn't been a new build since the late '90s anyhow
We built so many everything since has been chop shop modding
shrewd pecan
M1 Abrams - 746
M1IP Abrams - 894
M1A1 Abrams - 4974
M1A2 Abrams - 1000
so far this is my rough estimate since I only need to figure out the numbers for like 2000/2001 (I'm subtracting the variants that got converted into newer tanks)
shrewd pecan
yeah we will be in hell
spiral cedar
Independence had an initial 12 deg list but that quickly reverted to a 7 deg list, so she would’ve been fine under similar circumstances. Denver by contrast had an initial 7 deg list but that grew to 12 deg from progressive flooding, so probably a dozen or so minutes before the list is reduced to under 10 deg (1 hr total to remove the list)
desert agate
RAN not real, fite me
alpine onyx
Lützow was able to correct the list herself, just without her main machinery running. Auxiliaries were doing fine
spiral cedar
Yeh
Independence and Denver diesel generators also worked fine
Maybe only the big ones had the issue?
cinder escarp
M1 Abrams - 746
M1IP Abrams - 894
M1A1 Abrams - 4974
M1A2 Abrams - 1000
so far t...
"A total of 3,273 M1 tanks were produced for the US Army, 4,796 M1A1 tanks were built for the US Army, 221 for the US Marines and 880 co-produced with Egypt."
M1 numbers include the M1IP
cinder escarp
Also let me go open up honey-cut
alpine onyx
The big ones required external machinery to run, they had separate lubrication and pump motors, with former being the ones causing trouble
shrewd pecan
I don't need to count production for foreign clients
delicate beacon
Oh yeah
cinder escarp
Because yes, I have all of the hunnicutt works
delicate beacon
Look what I found this week
shrewd pecan
I just need Army/Marine Corps numbers
delicate beacon
Baby Goalkeeper
cinder escarp
So according to R.P. Honeybutt
"Production of the basic M1 continued at both plants for a total run of 2374 tanks"
(this is M1 vanilla, not IP)
shrewd pecan
(my main issue is determining the number of M1A2s and how many M1 basics got converted into them)
and or how many M1 basics got converted into bridge layers and other vehicles
cinder escarp
"The first IPM1 was delivered in October 1984 and production continued until May 1986 with a total run of 894 tanks."
Where-ever you got your IP number, it quoted hunnicutt
who is the god of these affairs
shrewd pecan
wikipedia includes the IP production under the basic M1 production numbers
which is kinda funny
anyway what does he say for the M1A1 and M1A2?
ivory ridge
odd thought mr I am totally not a argie left on his own accord
Actually Irish
American Irish
shrewd pecan
that explains it
ivory ridge
He joined ECTL with an alt and had the pic of an IRA guy
shrewd pecan
so newest M1A2 variant I need to count is the M1A2SEP
I don't need to care about any other SEP variant
manic latch
Next gen Chinese tank will have 2 crew, atgm jammer, stealth
So I expect a light tankish with a 125mm gun or even more and a soft kill system
shrewd pecan
2 crewmembers sounds like hell
strong plank
doesn't the type 99 still lack a stabilizer
cinder escarp
anyway what does he say for the M1A1 and M1A2?
The book came out when M1A1 production was still at full volume and the M1A2 was still "block II Abrams" so he doesn't.
shrewd pecan
shame
cinder escarp
But the source I first quoted seems to be using accurate numbers
strong plank
I believe it has one
I seem to remember parade videos where people pointed out some gun wobble, I'll see if I can't find it
shrewd pecan
wonder if any of the newer mil balances will give actual numbers on the variant
manic latch
"""Stealth"""
Just slap a anti thermal camo on it
manic latch
"Atgm jammer"
Dunno PUMA has similar stuff on top smh
cinder escarp
I had the military balance 2022 sitting around...
Ah, 2021 my bad
Still have it
shrewd pecan
I've been looking at the mil balance 2001, and 1991 since there roughly in the era I need the numbers for
ivory ridge
Dunno PUMA has similar stuff on top smh
Which barely works against gen 1 tows
If even
cinder escarp
The newer ones get way more detailed though tato
shrewd pecan
good
manic latch
Which barely works against gen 1 tows
Dunno it's till more than Abrams X
Did AbramsX had any soft or hardkill on her model
Don't think so
shrewd pecan
she has trophy
manic latch
Huh
shrewd pecan
yes
shrewd pecan
????
shrewd pecan
so
shrewd pecan
I just need to figure out production numbers for the M1A2 SEP
cinder escarp
Also, AbramsX is a sad joke but hey GDLS everyone
shrewd pecan
none of the M1A1s were conversions from the standard M1 right?
manic latch
Also, AbramsX is a sad joke but hey GDLS everyone
Nah I need that thing so people don't cry about Armata in War Thunder
shrewd pecan
"
In lieu of new production, the Army is upgrading approximately 1,000 older M1 tanks to the M1A2 configuration. The Army also initiated a modification program for the M1A2 to enhance its digital command and control capabilities and to add the second generation forward looking infrared (FLIR) sights to improve the tank's fightability and lethality during limited visibility. This system enhancement program will be fielded in the 2000 time frame concurrently with the M2A3 Bradley and other advanced digital systems. The initial M1A2 fielding to the First Calvary Division, Ft. Hood, TX, is underway. The Army will continue to field M1A2s to the CONUS contingency corps and other first to fight units into the next decade."
ok
I'm just gonna subtract 1,000 from the standard M1s for the M1A2 standard and M1A2 SEP numbers
and call it good
I don't need to account for the M104 wolverine yet
good start
I enjoy this decision by the staff
strong plank
man
maiden citrus
wait this isn't essex
shrewd pecan
anyway now that I'm done with the dumbest list of tanks I've done for a scenario
cinder escarp
none of the M1A1s were conversions from the standard M1 right?
Yeah - M1A1s were all new builds with the exception of like a handful of special demos
shrewd pecan
now I just need the specs for M1 CATTB, tho I think I know where to find those
delicate beacon
frigid karma
can't wait for more people to come along proudly declaring "x pr ship is not actually fake, here is a 1910 picture of her"
delicate beacon
Edgar is not fake, here's a picture of her.
tough quail
oh god why
frigid karma
at least sang is back
delicate beacon
undy posting murm in 3... 2... 1...
maiden citrus
THE EDGAR, THE EDGAR IS REAL
delicate beacon
Yes, hi.
alpine onyx
Smol
delicate beacon
Nowhere.
Because the Fokker aircraft where A) from the army and B) The KNIL got M10Bs instead and C) The order never arrived because US was stingy
ivory ridge
Edgar is not fake, here's a picture of her.
I live in your walls
frigid karma
Hornet took more torpedo hits before she sank than Yamato or Musashi
those including the dud torps?
spiral cedar
Three aerial from Japanese B5Ns, four from USS Mustin (four explosions reported out of eight launched), six from USS Anderson (six of eight), four total from Makigumo and Akigumo (probably two each)
spiral cedar
Big ships sink slowly unless they explode or suddenly roll over
maiden citrus
it's over!
spiral cedar
It’s not over yet 
ivory ridge
balmy adder
uneven charm
Guys list me some UR worthy ships from WW1 and WW2 that are not yet added to azur lane
manic latch
Guys list me some UR worthy ships from WW1 and WW2 that are not yet added to azu...
Too much list if you also count blueprints
There is shitton
manic latch
Midway sisters
strong plank
lets see
manic latch
Alaska sisters
uneven charm
Uss Missori maybe
uneven charm
Maybe not all ships of same class are to be UR tho
strong plank
that'd be pretty stupid
hushed saffron
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe SoDak 1920 if it isn't yeeted into PR?
maiden citrus
us ones is pretty simple, midway, des moines, worcester, alaska, gearing and sumner, porter and somers are all ur worthy, but won't necessarily be ur in game (some us dds with 16 torpedo tubes are in fact commons and other ships that would easily be golds like fletchers or colorados are way lower rarities)
strong plank
For the Eagle Union:
Iowa class-Iowa, Wisconsin, Missouri
Alaska class-Alaska, Guam
Des Moines class-Des Moines, Salem, Newport News
Worcester Class-Worcester, Roanoke
Midway class-Midway, Franklin D Roosevelt, Coral Sea
maiden citrus
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe SoDak 1920 if it isn't yeeted into PR?
sodak 1920 was further along than multiple ships in game, she won't be pr yeah
maiden citrus
she was literally further along than amagi
manic latch
sodak 1920 was further along than multiple ships in game, she won't be pr yeah
Kansas? PR
Normal one? construction
strong plank
yeah but she's also eagle
manic latch
Up to manjuu
maiden citrus
making her pr would make 0 sense
strong plank
god knows if they'll ever do paper
manic latch
making her pr would make 0 sense
We do have FDG near Hutten however
uneven charm
What about royal navy UR
strong plank
uhhhh]
manic latch
What about royal navy UR
Lion sisters
Minotaur class
Malta class
Audacious class (Hms Eagle later)
delicate beacon
Lion sisters
Minotaur class
Malta class
Audacious class (Hms Eagle later)
Blueprints excluded.
manic latch
Rip
tribal mortar
Sakura UR?
hushed saffron
Maybe the haha funny postwar DDs?
shrewd pecan
🤨 Vanguard being a UR
delicate beacon
De Zeven Provinciën-clas 
uneven charm
Sakura UR?
Makes me think what was the 4th yamato was going to be
manic latch
🤨 Vanguard being a UR
Tho honestly
If Iowa was using Colorado guns. Wouldn't she still be UR?
delicate beacon
Malta, or as Wargaming likes to call it, R-null
shrewd pecan
Tho honestly
If Iowa was using Colorado guns. Wouldn't she still be UR?
Iowa isn't tho
Vanguard is a fast battleship with WW1 armament
delicate beacon
Makes me think what was the 4th yamato was going to be
Kii, if you include Shinano. IIRC
shrewd pecan
I don't really think she'd make it as a UR
manic latch
Same here
maiden citrus
Tho honestly
If Iowa was using Colorado guns. Wouldn't she still be UR?
iowa was gonna use sodak 1920 guns, and she would still be ur as those guns make vanguard's guns look like pepper shakers
manic latch
iowa was gonna use sodak 1920 guns, and she would still be ur as those guns make...
Ye I guess
delicate beacon
Calling Vanguard's guns WW1 doesn't do them justice.
uneven charm
I don't really think she'd make it as a UR
You think vangaurd should be elite at best?
maiden citrus
plus the uh
strong plank
Royal Navy
Lion Class-Lion, Temeraire, Conqueror (maybe), Thunderer (maybe)
Implacable class-Implacable, Indefatigable
Audacious class-Audacious, Ark Royal
manic latch
You think vangaurd should be elite at best?
Gold
maiden citrus
gestures vaguely at iowa
strong plank
there's prolly more
maiden citrus
this part is better too
shrewd pecan
I'd say gold for Vanguard
strong plank
I could see them doing implacable as a UR
manic latch
Royal Navy
Lion Class-Lion, Temeraire, Conqueror (maybe), Thunderer (maybe)
Impl...
Bro imagine they make Hms Tiger UR some reason
shrewd pecan
if any brit battleship deserves UR its Lion
manic latch
Vanguard is heavier than Lion
tribal mortar
SR Lion 
maiden citrus
I never really thought about sodak 1920 being ur but she actually fits basically every requirement
strong plank
why else would they shy away from them and make the colossus class gold
maiden citrus
~~Vanguard is heavier than Lion~~
now imagine how heavy lion would actually be
manic latch
I never really thought about sodak 1920 being ur but she actually fits basically...
12 406mm is sus ye
delicate beacon
Maka stop simping of the standards. *throws a hot dog out of this conversation to distract*
maiden citrus
12 406mm is sus ye
last standard type bb, absolutely overwhelming firepower, etc
strong plank
we said the same shit about Vanguard remember
manic latch
4 × triple 16 in (406 mm) guns
16 × single 6 in (152 mm) guns
4 × 3 in (76 mm) DP guns
2 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes
Implacable is nicknamed Incapable in wows for how bad she is
Tho yeah I doubt she will be UR. Likely will go for smh bigger
strong plank
all I'm saying is it depends on how far postwar they want to cast the net, and they seem to be avoiding heavy carriers for some reason
why would the Fargos be UR if the clevelands are purple
tribal mortar
Monte is Gold
strong plank
fargos are literally just clevelands with a redesigned superstructure
maiden citrus
fargos would be golds logically
delicate beacon
So much UR to be had
strong plank
I'm talking just in terms of royal navy
maiden citrus
remember that partially builds count
delicate beacon
Appropiate reaction
maiden citrus
ulrich is ur with 800 tons laid down
delicate beacon
That's why I like to suggest De Zeven Provinciën class
De Ruyter was even launched
strong plank
ulrich is ur with 800 tons laid down
tfw the 1920 Sodaks were further along in construction than the soyuz's
manic latch
tfw the 1920 Sodaks were further along in construction than the soyuz's
Less than Izmail sisters still 
>tfw all launched
tribal mortar
Gold when
strong plank
With the cancellation of the South Dakotas and the Lexington-class battlecruisers, the existing guns were transferred to the U.S. Army
The army trying to figure out what they're gonna do with a shit ton of 16" guns
manic latch
maiden citrus
I think you can cheese the daring class in btw
maiden citrus
one daring class laid down date september 1945
maiden citrus
just think it's a worthy ur candidate that they could absolutely cheese in considering other things they've done
maiden citrus
I don't see the battles as ur worthy myself tbh
they do seem to have certain biases but it was ships that would probably be ur candidates, not if they'd treat the factions fairly enough to get them heh
common fletcher moment
I think her kan-sen looks very cool
and I like her personality too
strong plank
I like her rigging
delicate beacon
I dont really dislike any of the URs so far. Aside from UvH being rather modest in rigging.
strong plank
and you can tell her VA had fun voicing her
strong plank
tato are you being deadass
shrewd pecan
I haven't opened the game in months I just check history chat
maiden citrus
yes vanguard became a ur
shrewd pecan
damn
strong plank
yeah the lances are a little weird but like
maiden citrus
lances are cool, the lion is cool, and another way of interpreting it is it looks clean
strong plank
any weirder than champagne's giant hands?
sure, I wish they'd put in a bit more detail, but overall I have few complaints
maiden citrus
I dont really dislike any of the URs so far. Aside from UvH being rather modest ...
I like uvh, I'm indifferent to shimikaze and feel shinano is treated weird in verse but that's it
delicate beacon
Lion? Gouden Leeuw confirmed
maiden citrus
musashi looks cool and has cool rigging but no thoughts head empty apparently
strong plank
musashi's rigging is too over the top for me
its too big
while at the same time it pays zero attention to her guns
maiden citrus
I think I'm one of the few people that just likes each part of uhv
strong plank
literally felt like the designer made the rigging and then went "oh shit I forgot her guns"
hoping Alaska gets a baller design
wonder if they'll go the baltimore route with her rigging
delicate beacon
I think I'm one of the few people that just likes each part of uhv
I just dont feel a lot of energy emminating from her that I would expect for something with an UR title.
ivory ridge
So much UR to be had <:Glowow:611004137210904579>
Please commit the equivalent of post ww1 german economy
delicate beacon
Please commit the equivalent of post ww1 german economy
Dont worry my finances already are.
ivory ridge
Good
ivory ridge
Triangle
delicate beacon
Pasta UR, which ship?
delicate beacon
Sparviero?
ivory ridge
They are the only one that know
ivory ridge
lmao we put guns on a shark
IB/NP moment
tribal mortar
I wonder NP sub riggings will look like
spring briar
Sparviero?
You
Here
How
ivory ridge
You
Here
How
<a:AnimeYayHappyExcitedBlue:776278172122742855>
Look at where the chat is
sullen canyon
And so things are about to get worse
maiden citrus
I like her personality too, nice to have someone that is standoffish you both warm to then some weird tsundere thing that you're just supposed to go, oh she's nice, it was just a nice change of pace from the usual
it's something a lot of people had an opinion of is all
I just found her way more... realistic? personality wise than a lot of ships are so I liked it
spiral cedar
Yes
However,
Discussions on video game and or media representation of war machines is also allowed as long as it is also grounded in history.
eager dove
great
spiral cedar
At this point in the battle, King George V reported that some shells of Rodney were passing through Bismarck and exploding on her port side. Rodney had been firing armor-piercing shells with a time delay so that the shell would detonate after penetration of armor. After receiving this report from King George V, Rodney resumed eight-gun broadside fire at 1003 with armor-piercing shells set for a non-delay, as number one gun of turret A had been out of action since 0952. Between 1008 and the cease-fire, Bismarck was the recipient of full gun salvoes from this battleship. The last twelve salvoes were fired at a range of 3,500 meters.
This…does explain a bit… 
maiden citrus
we did drift a bit from what ur candidates would be to discussing opinions on vanguard then other kan-sen a bit I suppose
eager dove
now instead of 1000 pages of battleship shell diagrams and discussions its just going to be weeb boat art shit
larf
maiden citrus
is the former not history material?
spiral cedar
Ain’t it great? Truly such foresight
eager dove
it's a whole ass weeb server, isn't there a thousand other channels to talk about art in
ivory ridge
Pasta UR, which ship?
But yeah real talk i don't fucking know, the copium is still for Regolo and Scipione Africano despite Pompeo's shafting.
Garibaldi and Pompeo are obvious choices for UR kais but after that we are out of non paper candidates.
humble mulch
However,
> Discussions on video game and or media representation of war machine...
This is for things Actually grounded in history, such as conversation about wows ships and other things. Not ship art and the like
spiral cedar
media representations
ivory ridge
now instead of 1000 pages of battleship shell diagrams and discussions its just ...
My brother in christ, this whole conversation was between users that have been in this channel for months, I've seen like 2 new people and none recently or in this convo
humble mulch
Yes
eager dove
I don't really care who it is
it's just weird to see it here when theres a thousand other channels for it
whatever I'm never usually here anyway
do your thing
maiden citrus
exactly
ivory ridge
is never here to see this happening literally all the time
complains anyway
eager dove
goddamn right
humble mulch
Going over kansen personalities and art in a manner that isn't grounded in history more or less isn't allowed, please don't bring normal #al-lore conversations here