that's just legacy ship jank
#history
spring briar
Their big issue is mostly the vast variety of weird shells they got
tough quail
ye
manic latch
They have to. Or will need to make a made up gun
Since Mogami guns at tier X is weird
spring briar
ivory ridge
135mm secondaries on the high tier italian ships when?
alpine onyx
Instead give some whacky ass 150mm twin that came from some napkin (at best)
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135mm secondaries on the high tier italian ships when?
British: Yoink
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Instead give some whacky ass 150mm twin that came from some napkin (at best)
Give me the 457mm/55 design for Super Kremlin 
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Speaking of barrel lenght. I am glad admiral dreadnought add barrel lenght option
alpine onyx
Just like AL needs more DDs, like those cute 1944 Fleet Torpedoboats
frigid karma
tbf that's not out..yet
manic latch
They should really use that new light cruiser tech line for PR6
spring briar
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It would give amazing AA ship to IJN
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They didn't even got Yamato
They will be stronger
Yamato+ Musashi + Shinano
Shimakaze + ??? +???
Future will tell
spring briar
Their shells still don’t work
frigid karma
manic latch
are you saying they will add yamagiri
Yamagiri is a DD
spring briar
European quality
frigid karma
imagine if the later ships in the line all have maru on them
and ija flags
hey, if you're gonna add army guns, make them IJA ships
spring briar
Yes
alpine onyx
You want this
spring briar
Very nice
Would love in french service
But you have to agree
We need Le Hardi
alpine onyx
We do
spring briar
Tbf we need a major french event in AL in general
And a DD line split in wows
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Tbf we need a major french event in AL in general
If Alsace is like Brest then I will spend good money 
spring briar
That leads into T53 from Le Hardi improved
alpine onyx
Don't hide the scars
alpine onyx
She was in a fairly beaten condition
alpine onyx
then again, so was Z-31, but she didn't give a shit and kept going
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Hibiki 
spring briar
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Hibiki <a:Rossiya_Pet:778204874550542348>
To think she sank while these girls were around
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To think she sank while these girls were around
Scrapped in 2020 
tough quail
fucked up
ivory ridge
Why with french 138s
It was designed with 140s, planned italian refit with 135s and then completed with 127s
spring briar
Show me a CMdO
chilly osprey
Not at all
ivory ridge
Yeah i was joking
spring briar
Not at all
No, I’m genuinely asking
I have no idea what a CMdO looks like
Also CMdO is commadore medaglio d’Oro or smth?
ivory ridge
manic latch
Show me a CMdO
The Indomito-class
ivory ridge
It's the single 135 that even Aquila has
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chilly osprey
No, I’m genuinely asking
I have no idea what a CMdO looks like
Oh, sorry, I didn't realize.
They're basically 'fleet destroyers' intended for the same job as the Soldati, but with the benefit of wartime experience. 50% greater endurance, top speed no more than 35 knots, better gun armament, improved AA, radar and sonar from the start.
alpine onyx
Range, and probably provisions as well as the facilities to maintain the ship for longer periods
rapid junco
Today is the "Day in memory to the death of the Navy in war"
It's a day to remember all those in the navy that died in wars
July 21st was chosen due to the been the date of the sinking of corvette Camaquã
In 1944
During WW2
The Brazilian Navy lost 486 men
frigid karma
bit weird to use :albasalute: though because she's smiling so hard you'd think she personally caused those deaths
ivory ridge
So true
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chilly osprey
Range?
Mostly, though, provisions are also part of it. Especially in the modern context.
But, for reference, the CMdO's were to have a range of 3,300 nautical miles at 20 knots, where the Soldati were about 2,200 nautical miles at 20 knots
spring briar
So they’re meant as general purpose dd’s?
dapper parcel
In modern times endurance are more like length of sustainable operation, and mostly defined by logistics and human factor
Theoretically you can have excellent fuel range but low endurance if the accommodation is shit
maiden citrus
the edible hot dogs factor
dapper parcel
Timespan until the cook have to serve canned food
maiden citrus
people cannot eat oil, they can eat hot dogs, gotta make sure you have enough or the crew will run out of energy before the ship
rapid junco
burnt haven
Endurance is how long it takes before the crew start beating up the chef /s
maiden citrus
also, happy belgian national day
desert agate
Whoa it's riche day
chilly osprey
So they’re meant as general purpose dd’s?
Basically, yeah
fervent bobcat
Probably not a hot take in a slightest, but the London Naval Treaty seemed to have only made naval warfare more devastating as opposed to not
ivory ridge
The treaties were made so the nations wouldnt bankrupt themselves trying to outbuild eachother, not trying to actually limit wars
cinder escarp
The treaties were also made to preserve the balance of power. The UK really did not want to have to replace their entire (vast) legacy fleet at enormous expense.
fervent bobcat
The treaties were made so the nations wouldnt bankrupt themselves trying to outb...
more so that britain wouldnt outspend itself because they couldnt afford to keep up and maintain the rn as the largest naval force on earth
cinder escarp
Well, the Japanese really wanted to even though it would have completely ruined them and opinion was split in the US.
white rose
eternal veldt
Japan was estimating some wild numbers for US Capital ships as well.
What was it, 35 dreadnought type BBs by 1920?
And then the commonly held dogma that Japan needs to have a fleet at least 70% of the US (as the hypothetical enemy) to repel them, part of the defence plan envisioned by Satou Tetsutaro.
Kaigun has some wild takes.
manic latch
What was it, 35 dreadnought type BBs by 1920?
Ain't that why they build Yamato
eternal veldt
No, Yamato is in the 1930s.
eternal veldt
This is more about the genesis of the 8 8 fleet, or really how to fucking bankrupt yourself.
IIRC the ships are no longer considered first line units after 5-7 years, 7-9 years second rate, beyond that third rate, and at the 25th year they'd be scrapped.
So building the 8 8 fleet with contemporary Japanese infrastructure is...lmao.
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Ngl kinda jealous of them
They still managed to build a great navy
Like. They actually jumped from Nagato to Yamato
humble mulch
Go for broke moment
eternal veldt
Kaigun puts it correctly imo, Tsushima left a "fateful legacy" that Japan wanks BB omegahard.
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If Soviets struggle so much from jump from Mariya to Soyuz
Still amazing Japan building Yamatos
eternal veldt
They don't have the numbers, so they'd have to up the quality.
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Kaigun puts it correctly imo, Tsushima left a "fateful legacy" that Japan wanks ...
So in way. Russia defeated Japan in the end by making them prefer BBs
eternal veldt
Also, I forgot the exact year, but UK really shat their pants with capital construction I think around 1900-1911.
fervent bobcat
If Soviets struggle so much from jump from Mariya to Soyuz
navy wasnt a priority considering they were trying to figure out how to implement communism (never done before in a real country) and recovering from ww1 + the brutal civil war
eternal veldt
30 something BB, BC, ACR to fucking 93 by 1911 IIRC.
Thanks Anglo-German arms race.
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navy wasnt a priority considering they were trying to figure out how to implemen...
Yup I am aware. They wouldn't Abandon Izmail sisters in 1920s otherwise
eternal veldt
So in way. Russia defeated Japan in the end by making them prefer BBs <:BASED:77...
IJA trying to kill IJN is also a big concern, imo.
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Classic
fervent bobcat
interservice rivalry
eternal veldt
Army sets Russia as hypothetical enemy, Navy sets US as hypothetical enemy.
Someone calls for unified command, yeeted out of the window to appease both factions.
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fervent bobcat
Someone calls for unified command, yeeted out of the window to appease both fact...
Both end in early initiative followed by slow bleed out and inevitable death
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<:TojoMoment:914128939738341407>
You know Soviets get difficulty on building cemented plates higher than 230mm?,
But nobody wonder why 230mm
When you check her belt thickness
You realise why it's 230mm
Since Civil War stopped the development for improvements
So Izmail's 230mm ish belt was the best cemented armor industry could go before the revolution
fervent bobcat
When you check her belt thickness
new NP shipfu
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new NP shipfu
4 sisters indeed. 12 356mms. And battlecruisers
fervent bobcat
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<:comradegid:912050096533831700>
If you wonder something about Soviet ships I will try to help 
cinder escarp
smh soviet ship bad, german ship good /s
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The Borodino-class ships were formally classified as armoured cruisers until an order of 29 July 1915, when they were redesignated as battlecruisers (lineinyi kreiser)
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smh soviet ship bad, german ship good /s
desert agate
Damn chats been popping
fierce sparrow
eternal veldt
30 something BB, BC, ACR to fucking 93 by 1911 IIRC.
Found it, finally.
