Indie+Alternative Wargaming

[twin mountain]

Vs oh no international jewery

Or whatever

[echo marten]

Krav Maga was the Meme Martial Art for like...two decades.

So it just turns up everywhere

[orchid leaf]

I do think they thought they were doing a cool Titanfall thing but yes CoD is the end result

Winged (she/her) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) And I can accept gonzo stupid genre stuff but they keep hyping up how cool and realistic and badass …

[twin mountain]

I can absolutely smell the titanfall on harlow yeah

they clearly just saw blisk or whatever his name was and thought "damn, terrible war criminals with south african accents are dope"

[orchid leaf]

The dusters kits are
Something

They discontinued the kits for 2/4 of their mechs because the ankles were too weak, but then they… didn’t fix it?

[sand sonnet]

For cool Titanfall play Arsenal.

https://www.electi-studio.com/blastervol07

[tepid steeple]

Ive been meaning to look at that

[orchid leaf]

Arsenal seems fun yeah

Ecllection (They/Them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) https://www.electi-studio.com/blastervol07 📎

[twin mountain]

for cool titanfall...

play... mobile arms...

cough cough

https://gamefound.com/en/projects/black-site-studios/mobile-arms

https://tenor.com/view/c6k-adventure-time-gif-8484940

[sand sonnet]

I do play Mobile Arms.

It's cool robots no doubt, but it's not really Titanfall.

[twin mountain]

tbh I've never seen a wargame do titanfall dashing other than mobile arms

I appreciate that when people say "really titanfall" they usually mean a lot of stuff around squishing random grunts who can't hurt you and being a cool parkour fps guy

but in terms of the actual mech combat I think MA is pretty up there

[sand sonnet]

Fair. It feels more Armored Core to me, but all of us are going to see different things in it which is part of why I think it's taking off as well as it is.

[distant roost]

A lot of wistful Titanfall sentiment I see yeah glosses over the 200-300 people that get killed unceremoniously in every nominally 6v6 online match which I think would be a little tough to do without like a 6mm kinda scale game or representing the mook robots with dice instead of models or something

[sand sonnet]

Arsenal has the infantry, of which you can bring up to 12 and only 5 can be on the field at a time. So you're sorta rotating them in around your big robot as infantry models leave the battlefield.

[compact leaf]

Weirdly enough, the best system I've seen for doing all that parkour stuff is Infinity.
But.. it's not doing that to be Titanfall, it's doing that to be cyberpunk

Wough there is a lot here

Aaaghh I wanna do mobile arms but I am unable to handle another wargame ;-;

[sand sonnet]

Do it anyway.

[compact leaf]

Mmmrrreeeehhh

I'll have to read up on the rules first

[sand sonnet]

Pretty sure it's all on TTS at the moment if you wanted a demo sometime.

[compact leaf]

It is!

We have the mod too, we think

[sudden halo]

I can also confirm that Jordan is cool.

Also him and Corey are tight, I know they'd both be thrilled that each other's mech games are getting hyped up in here.

[sand sonnet]

Play allll the indy mech games!

[compact leaf]

The peer pressure is working..

Oh hey the silhouette system is here, very good

[sudden halo]

In mobile arms? Or arsenal

For MA its because Corey is an infinity player and one of the reasons he started writing it was to use more tag models

[compact leaf]

Mobile Arms!
That.. makes perfect sense

I'm seeing a bit of influence here

[sand sonnet]

No AROs here, nope, not at all.

[twin mountain]

there actually is a wargame that does this, it's the one ecllection was talking about iirc

you have one mech and a bunch of infantry and the infantry keep piling in forever

[distant roost]

Dungeons and Dragons 1e Fighter energy where your longevity isn't HP but rather Hirelings Purchased

[sudden sundial]

Isn't that the Lord class from some dungeon crawly from olden years?

[sudden halo]

I think that's Dungeon Crawl Classics, which is more old school vibe than actually old.

[sudden sundial]

Damn

Not young enough for it to be old even for me

[modern snow]

It's true, we gas each other up all the time lmao

[sand sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/all-gas-no-brakes-go-keep-going-dont-stop-mic-gif-16424119

I now want to arrange a match between the two of you where you play both games at the same time against each other and set up a fight card style poster advertising the event.

[sand cloak]

Saw Blackout talk about the UN subfactions.

Yeah, the genetically modified warrior women? They're part of a Program called "Moon".

And they're cloned Mother-Daughter pairs.

Mom is like the CO and Daughters are the grunts.

Wanted to actually get into it because the TTK on table is fast.

But the in-universe Lore sorta reads as a more toned down John Ringo.

And it does get weird

[trail fulcrum]

Real

[left onyx]

Thanks for making me think of the least-turned-down John Ringo books

Which I have not read, but I know people who have

[sand cloak]

LMAO

I feel called out by that image

[trail fulcrum]

Look thats the vibe of the moon subfscrion for me

[sand cloak]

True

[twin mountain]

Yeah that's a good way of putting it. I didn't know about the moon stuff, amazing

[echo marten]

Oh John Ringo No!

[tepid steeple]

hMM

[sand cloak]

Hey, at least he isn't like Kratman or Lind.

[left onyx]

He did collab with Kratman once

[sand cloak]

How unfortuante

[hot comet]

My main knowledge of Kratman comes from the time he showed up on RPG.net because somebody made a thread that was basically "What hte fuck is up with this book" and he routinely googles his name

And got banned in less than a day for casual racism

[left onyx]

That tracks

[sand cloak]

Besides RPG.net, he also did the same thing with Spacebattles when one of his books was getting trashed.

Made an account to try arguing and got promptly shutdown by a mod who called out his writing and his technical idiocy on tanks.

And that was because that Mod used to be a Sandbox tanker.

After getting banned from SB, Kratman made that mod into a side character who gets killed in a couple of his books.

Kratman is a weird one.

[twin mountain]

Sandbox tanker?

[orchid leaf]

I think sandbox refers to the
gestures vaguely at modern wars in the middle east

Winged (she/her) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) Sandbox tanker?

Roughly the desert storm to present period

[sand cloak]

Yeah

[jade finch]

level 99:
https://gamefound.com/en/projects/level-99-games/wardens

[autumn sun]

Hero shooters for tabletops smh

[compact leaf]

I mean
Tbf
These tend to work okay

[potent wyvern]

Those character names are…something

[sudden halo]

They feel like

Also 3" minis

Id be painting those for years.

[sand cloak]

I changed my mind

They stargravers now

[maiden abyss]

I have a friend who's writing a hero shooter wargame

[autumn sun]

https://www.myminifactory.com/frontier/worlds-beyond-brawl-5520 Oh this is neat

[autumn sun]

https://www.wyrd-games.net/news/2026/4/15/waldos-weekly-index-of-the-untold

[trail fulcrum]

My silly homebrew idea

is still to do bolt action activation but different unit types are different dice

[tawny sandal]

Huh, so further limiting/randomizing stuff?

Like having infantry, vehicles, and tanks have different dice?

[clear shadow]

I think I remember Miniwargaming's Game did something similar

[ocean holly]

I had exactly this idea, lol

Enhanced a little, though

[trail fulcrum]

Yes so skew lists can have their activations modified

[ocean holly]

Bsically

Every unit can have several dice

And Game events are also in the bag

[trail fulcrum]

Yeah so infantry spam can br workrd around and each player alternates taking from the bag

So if youre playing against infantry spam just dont take the infantry dice youre feeling for

Obviously dice with scuplting must be banned

Hahaha

Des Bolt action not allow sculpted action dice? @ocean holly

[tawny sandal]

No, they need to all be the same specifically so you can’t play nonsense games of telling your dice from your opponent’s by touch

Just different colors

[trail fulcrum]

Yeah

But now diiferent shaped dice for this nonsende game

[ocean holly]

I was actually doing tokens, but ymmv

[trail fulcrum]

ONe dumb idea I had was make mechs overpointed compared to an equivilant vehicle

but they use the Infantry Dice to activate

[ocean holly]

That's not dumb at all

[trail fulcrum]

Also for igougo i kinda wanna steal the limited number of activations mechanic

Random limited activations

[ocean holly]

Have you seen Legion?

[trail fulcrum]

Was thinking more evil leadership units generate dice

Like a d6 leaders can lead x units, opponent rolls at the start of your turn

[ocean holly]

I see

[trail fulcrum]

The dice genrated and hides them

Its revealed when you try to activate a unit

And its over the number and your turn ends with a penalty

End of your turn your opponent reveals the dice and any remaining activstions are turned into reactions to do strictly worse versions of a full activation in between opponents activations

[ocean holly]

I was thinking leadership could proc premoves?

So it's igougo for pulls, or, onm your turn, you can trigger an ordered unit, to avoid pulling

[trail fulcrum]

Its pure Igo U go

[ocean holly]

Oh, this is my game, sorryyyyy

[trail fulcrum]

Ooooh whoops

[ocean holly]

They are very similar

But

Not every chit in the bag is a unit

Some are "Fire spreads"

[trail fulcrum]

Ahhh

Nicee

[ocean holly]

Some are "Airstrike comes in that you called 6 rounds ago"

And the dreaded

"Reshuffle"

Which takes all the tokens from the discard pile, and wacks them all in the bag agian

[trail fulcrum]

Hahahahaha wild

No turns just one continuous slog

[ocean holly]

Except for the orders

[trail fulcrum]

Well no rounds

[ocean holly]

Yeah

[trail fulcrum]

Is there a forced cutoff?

For game end?

[ocean holly]

Each unit has an Action Cap, which is the number of times it can be poked per bag

[ocean holly]

Objective play, is my thought

[trail fulcrum]

So i assume the table presentation is placing dice next to activsted units

And a reshuffle just dumps it all back in bsg

[ocean holly]

Well, tokens

But yeah

Again, see Legion

[ocean holly]

Thoughts?

[trail fulcrum]

Mostly like a continous turn

Like shatterpoint

Hahah

[compact leaf]

Ope

We have a date for the warcrow rules!

They will be released (alongside the app version of the new faction) this coming Tuesday, the 21st

[tepid steeple]

exciting

seeing off the old tomorrow

[twin mountain]

Oh hell yeah!

[tepid steeple]

@compact leaf what do you think of this

I have zero practice with it cause I got one whole game in before tomorrow 😅

Where I just ran everything new since archers (inclusive)

Commander armelle is probably something but I didnt feel confident winging such a positioning based strategy I guess and it let me fit in amaury just for missions really

If nothing else

[compact leaf]

Wait
How are there two Mace Escorts

[tepid steeple]

wait HUH

[compact leaf]

Oh I see

[tepid steeple]

oh

[compact leaf]

The image did something strange

[tepid steeple]

that's a screenshot bug

yeah

I almost thought I had a spare 35 points 😭

[compact leaf]

Uhhh I mean
I think this'll do okay, but you're kinda banking on the maces to do most of the work for you

[compact leaf]

My list runs a unit of FKs instead of Guardians, if you wanted to try that. They're rather similar, and it'd give Amaury somewhere to join where he can really shine

[tepid steeple]

yeah I need to get knights at some point 😔

[compact leaf]

They're good!

Anyways

I think this list is perfectly fine
Again
You're just kinda hoping the Mace escorts can deal with everything

[tepid steeple]

hopefully armelle enchanted weapons does work I guess?

[compact leaf]

Yarg

[tepid steeple]

her defence aura is incredible

[compact leaf]

She works extremely well with Magister, too

I'm gonna fit her in my list when the big knights come out

Oh speaking of..

[tepid steeple]

I think cause I've not used foot knights I like, my scale is off and I'm overestimating everything else's damage potential lol

guardians are cool though 😔

[compact leaf]

Guardians are alright, they'll enjoy the buffs from instructor and Armelle, and both the archers and Guisarmiers can high roll and just randomly delete stuff

[tepid steeple]

I made the mistake of running them with magister joined though and that's. that's not good

[compact leaf]

Where Mace Escorts and Foot Knights excel is their consistency

[compact leaf]

Nar...
I think putting magister with non-nobles is a trap, tbh

[tepid steeple]

there isn't really any point in reducing your targets no

[compact leaf]

Cause you'll have less things to use their command ability with yeah-

Oh anyways
That list I keep mentioning:

[tepid steeple]

but also they have three orange so it's pain

[compact leaf]

Yarg..

[tepid steeple]

ye I member

5 squads is nice honestlyyy

[compact leaf]

There is probably a non-noble unit in the future for Magister, at least

[compact leaf]

2 of them are capable of one-shotting a crucible :D

It's meaaaaann

[tepid steeple]

I meant to pick up a second box guisarmier but the stocking inconsistency I mentioned before is a pain

I do think mescorts and armelle are nice though

[compact leaf]

Yarg

I agree!

I'm excited to run Genevieve soon :3

[tepid steeple]

yee nice

[compact leaf]

She'll finally have her horsies

[tepid steeple]

instructor is neat

you kinda the miss the aura compared to morgane. and the command ability. and the spell. morgane is so good

[compact leaf]

I wanna try using the normal priestess as well at some point

[tepid steeple]

she's fun!

[compact leaf]

I really value that defensive buff, it would go crazy alongside either of the other priestesses

[tepid steeple]

the thing I didn't like about normpriestess and armelle was the command points loss

like together it compounds it

and they kinda compete for activations I guess

instructor is really nice with either though

idk I feel very out of it like I really like the game and then I never end up playing it between events 😭 too many games to play

I didn't play the archers very well but I think I'm more comfortable hard activating them turn 1 as a result. just get them into position

[tepid steeple]

do you think?

[compact leaf]

Remember that you can also use the Magister's ability on them to attack after something assaults or charges as well

[tepid steeple]

yess I need to do that

[compact leaf]

I do!
It would make sense for even more peasants to appear

[tepid steeple]

yeah true

I kinda hope we get battle pilgrims and shrine type unit

and the other possibility is peasant levy to have like

maybe even 10 pt unit

idk how you'd accomplish that on not husks but maybe...

what do you think about the falconer?

[compact leaf]

I think it's an incredibly efficient profile

It can just show up and stress lock something

[tepid steeple]

truuu

I feel like he's especially good in a list that gets to 250

but yeah exploiting reactively like that is cool

[compact leaf]

:0
That'd be neat
Monks are a thing, I'm not sure if they're dedicated to combat but.. given how ridiculously perilous the pilgrimages they go on are (btw, most of the passages in the lore book are from a Feudom monk) it wouldn't be surprising if we got one

Feudom has fewer things that could potentially be units in the book, alas

Dwarves however

Apparently get assassin robots

[tepid steeple]

morgane writes to a monk in song of the dormant right?

[compact leaf]

Yes!

They are.. potentially in a relationship (very cool of the church of Selas and Losna to allow that)

[tepid steeple]

hehe yeah

they know what they're implying

[compact leaf]

We already have art of Princess Olga getting flustered by stupid sexy Feudom nobles

[tepid steeple]

exactly what I was thinking hahhahah

[sand sonnet]

Did they release the core Feudom stuff outside of the dual set with elves yet?

[compact leaf]

Nar...
Basically always a minimum one year between the box and then separating, unfortunately.
Often it's only separated into starters once a new box comes out, as well

[sand sonnet]

If only someone here wanted elves. Instead we have like 10 people trying to sell the elf half.

[compact leaf]

Speaking of
Something kinda funny happened at the adepticon tournament

Out of 15 players.. 12 were playing Syennan (the wood elves)

Or...it was 12 and 9?
Either way
Trees, trees everywhere

[tepid steeple]

Oh damn

I saw northern tribes did pretty decent but they were like the only people not playing syennan????

Corvuspshere is so hard to navigate honestly

[compact leaf]

Iirc there was like 1 Hege, 1 NT, 1 Scions

[compact leaf]

I've seen worse, but it's very much in the "okay, this is useable but it could be better" area

[tepid steeple]

Mhm

[compact leaf]

They're making improvements on it as we go, at least
Worth noting is that this is their first foray into stuff like this so..

[sand sonnet]

Infinity's Army Builder was like that in the early days too.

[compact leaf]

It's third party, too

So is the wiki

[sand sonnet]

I give CB a lot of shit for rules and translation issues, but they're probably the best company when it comes to iterative improvement over time on this stuff.

[compact leaf]

Yarg

They stick to it and eventually it gets better

Patience remains very rewarding

They.. just had a big talk about devtime in the main server, someone was demanding they hire interns so they could make things faster

The entire Warcrow dev team is literally just 3 people

But.. small company

[sand sonnet]

Yeah, a bunch of interns wouldn't really help that tbh.

[hollow slate]

My world history classes are watching They Shall Not Grow Old, and my desire to play Trench Crusade is going back up

[compact leaf]

It's still in a very okay state imo

I'm in a campaign right now and I've occasionally felt like I just win or lose in list building

A few inconsistent wordings still too
Hopefully they're working on patching that after their balance pass

[hollow slate]

I can live with that as long as I get my Iron Sultanate de-nerfs, lol

[compact leaf]

People seem largely happy with their proposed changes, outside the Alaybozan

[next pilot]

oh this seems very cool

you can grab cross class keywords too neat

[autumn sun]

Yeah, I'm kinda interested in giving it a shot. Although I'm wildly out of the loop for 4th.

[hollow slate]

The sapper and their kit in general are the whipping boys of the IS players

[orchid leaf]

Hm
I’ve been thinking about blkout, and how we’d approach that concept

It’s a solid game (though as I’ve mentioned before the mods lack some essential community building skills) but also like

You can divorce it from the tacticool setting and lose nothing at all

And as late as that sort of setting is, I’m a huge sucker for lower tech sci fi

[twin mountain]

Yeah absolutely

I love the mechanics, the aesthetics are whatever

[compact leaf]

Eugzghzn

On one hand
Hyper-lethal cover-hugging skirmish game
On the other hand
Bad vibes

[orchid leaf]

So my immediate thoughts

Felicity (Meowstrid) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) Hm
I’ve been thinking about blkout, and how we’d approach that concept

There’s two types of cover in that game, but they advertise it as “all cover gives -2 dice” which I think is MUCH more interesting

Even though it’s part of the simplified rules, I still think it’s better tbh

It makes positioning a lot more significant, because to hurt an opponent at all with a carbine or rifle requires you kinda have to be firing at them from the open, and then what if you expose your own unit?

[compact leaf]

We shall see if the new warcrow rules are an improvement (they probably will be)
My main hope is just a better layout

[twin mountain]

yes. yes please. i understand corvus belli having awful manuals is a thing all infinity fans just sorta haha missing stair accept but damn my experience with the warcrow rulebook was religious

in a bad way

the game looks really good too 😭

it has a tts mod...

[sudden halo]

Warcrow has a special kind of bad in terms of rulebooks.

I don't even think infinity rulebooks are bad, they're just more index style rather than a linear heres how you play, which I prefer

[compact leaf]

Infinity rules also just eventually turn into a wiki hooked right into the army builder, so I kinda see their rulebook as a starting point, but not the thing you actually use to look stuff up.

That's sorta why we don't mind it as much as you'd expect.

Warcrow...
Was the result of a game releasing in an unpolished state, I think

The rules are very good

The rulebook is just not very good :(

But it should be better!
And we expect some changes too

It's just a matter of how big the improvement is gonna be

At the end.. we are excited, but wary

[tepid steeple]

https://warcrow.com/blog/rules-update-1-6

It happen

[twin mountain]

Oh damn I'm scrolling through this and it actually looks really good

[twin mountain]

The rulebook looks really good. Could you help me evaluate how complete the tts mods are?

[compact leaf]

Of course! You'll have to give me a little while though, still at work for a few more hours

Oh wow lots of unit changes too..

[twin mountain]

it even has bookmarks

it even has pdf links

they actually made a good pdf. like a really good one.

i'm impressed

@toxic trench @fast glade hey wanna play warcrow again

this is how you make the ashley happy

[fast glade]

the big limiter on me playing tabletop games is that most of the time you're around, i'm exhausted from the gym and not in a learning mood, hah

[twin mountain]

well, i already taught you this one once, and you did really like it. i'll do some digging

[fast glade]

and the other times is like, a bunch of other people are around and it's a lot more opportune to play Dota or Deadlock or smth 😤

okay sure, I'll be rusty and you'll need to figure out a time

Wednesdays are kinda alright, actually, hm

(your tuesday evenings/wednesday mornings/early afternoons)

[compact leaf]

I'm available to do this now!
Upon first glance though:

• mounthaven is missing from the mod (understandable, we don't even have them here yet)
• the very latest releases aren't there either

Actually wait
Scratch that..
I've been called upon to get my matches in for some online organized play. Some other time I suppose?

[twin mountain]

Ok!

[compact leaf]

aaaaand done

understandable if you're not still around though

ooookay

yeah
the cards aren't updated with the super brand new wordings either but.. eh...
that's all that's really missing here to be honest, everything else is present

I took a peek in the online competitive league server and the mod they use is this one as far as I can tell

I'm not getting any errors so far either...

[twin mountain]

That's the mod I was looking at too

I think it has English copies of every card

Good to know it's not missing anything important

[compact leaf]

Mhm
It's up to date as of yesterday
But this giant rules update is probably gonna take a little bit to push through

Are you aware of where to find unit cards in the mean time winged?
There are a few different ones

[twin mountain]

I think so, I'll have to check again

I'm at a doctor's right now

[compact leaf]

Ah, I'll plug them here anyways then

There's the official one
And then there's the unofficial one (which probably hasn't been updated yet)

[compact leaf]

Oh
Update: the TTS creator is actively updating all the cards right now

[distant roost]

Heck yeah, always nice to see real time updates

[compact leaf]

Might be a little bit but they'll definitely be done by the end of the week

[twin mountain]

fuck yeah

[native portal]

I swear I'm not here to complain but every time I look at trench crusade I have to remember it's skirmish scale

Someone should do a spinoff 6mm to match the lore

(Though I get that model wise it's not feasible and they wanna sell the cool sculpts)

[distant roost]

Could go Napoleonic and just do chits instead of models but that doesn't capture the aesthetic enough

[tepid steeple]

Game designers will ask if anyone minds if they make a necromunda from this concept art and not even wait for an answer

[sand sonnet]

Honestly a lot of folks want to see more of the larger war stuff in Trench Crusade, and I bet a few years down the road we'll see something like an army game fall out of them if they continue to grow and have lots of success with it.

[native portal]

It makes sense like, 28mm or more is the scale for high quality painting, cool sculpts, hobby stuff

And it's well suited to the concept art that started the project in the first place

The game looks good I just see some of the art and I'm like "but can I have like a legion of pilgrims and mobile anchorite things vs a horde of hell"

What IS the biggest model count you can field so far anyway?

[sand sonnet]

IIRC it's 20 models at the cap?

[native portal]

Tbf that's a lot for a skirmish game

[compact leaf]

I have homebrew rules for aircraft..

I know of rules for mounts too (ranging from motorbikes to horses)

[echo marten]

I did up some cavalry back when I thought Australia was an option for WWI. XD

[sand sonnet]

I don't think most warbands get there.

[compact leaf]

sweats in New Antioch

[sand sonnet]

Yeah that's the exception.

So many replacable Yeoman.

[compact leaf]

I am actively running out of unit slots faster than I am running out of ducats

Granted
I'm not like
Kitting out everyone

[sand sonnet]

I mean yeah, you're supposed to give them gear that you get mad about having to replace later.

[compact leaf]

Noooo

I refuse

We give them a flamethrower and tell them to go to the frontline

[sand sonnet]

What if every battle they survive they get a little more kit as a treat.

[compact leaf]

And then they die
Especially those ones...

[compact leaf]

They'd have to survive their fights for that

[sand sonnet]

It sounds like you're just feeding Yeoman to cultists.

[compact leaf]

Pssshh..
No
It's the demons that get them

The flamethrower yeomen took down a war wolf the other day though

[sand sonnet]

Fireteams are brutal

Just had a chance to play Trench Crusade and the one two punch of that pairing is very strong.

[compact leaf]

Yarg

They only get stronger as your campaign progresses

My favourite one by far is my ridiculous melee LT and a Mamluk

...because it can bloodbath twice and ignore armor, it's very silly

[compact leaf]

We weren't really sure where to ask this but...
Does anyone have some general advice for formatting rules documents to make them "nice"?
We're working on like 3 different projects right now and don't want them becoming unreadable due to our inexperience with such things..

Er...
Honestly actually, all we need are some examples of what you all consider good formatting

[orchid leaf]

I don’t know a ton but double column ing is industry standard

TillCounterPunch (They/Them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) Er...
Honestly actually, all we need are some examples of what you all consider good formatting

[sand sonnet]

#game-design-discussion might have better answers?

[weary cradle]

trench crusade is p clean formatting-wise

i would say figure out first what are ur priorities for formatting

that lets u at least drill down on specific examples, & sometimes it even lets u just format ex nihilo

like are u just out to make a simple readable document? do u want to be the mork borg of wargames? etc etc

[supple shale]

Bryce Lynch over at Ten Foot Pole has a lot to say about how formatting impacts readability and gameability but it’s pieced out across a hundred different reviews

I don’t think he’s got like a consolidated « theory of module formatting » essay

[weary cradle]

yea format in genera is v autodidactic

[supple shale]

I like being wrong! Bryce has a bunch of loosely-collected manual of style type stuff here:

https://www.tenfootpole.org/forum/index.php?forums/bryce-adventure-design.22/

It’s all very Dungeon oriented on the top level because Bryce is a Dungeon guy, but I think there’s lots of good meat in there that can be applied to « games writing » as a whole

And I think pound for pound Bryce has probably read more « games writing » in its natural habitat than anyone else on the planet,

[native portal]

Does anyone have a copy of trench crusade they would be willing to lend me

oh wait is the WHOLE rulebook online?

[weary cradle]

yea

[autumn sun]

Yes

[weary cradle]

i think the only wargame companies that lock the rulebooks behind prices is like
games workshop at this point

with a handful of older indie groups

[native portal]

I'm mainly interested in the lore

[weary cradle]

the books do also have the lore

[native portal]

Yeah that's what slightly(?) surprised me

I wondered if they might just have like 'here are the actual rules' up

[twin mountain]

oh I can help

I think FFG is an excellent example

look at any FFG comprehensive rules doc vs teaching doc

[hollow slate]

Iron Sultanate got their rules update

Apparently, Fidai'i are going to be expanded into their own faction(?)

I think they meant more comprehensive subfaction, but I havent really paid attention to Carcosa since it didn't really have any stuff relevant to me

[echo marten]

(I really want the devs to give some of the early factions another look. Some of them like Eire could really do with some shine up when later factions got a lot of fancy tricks and complexity and Eire's became a lot less notable)

[hollow slate]

I get the feeling that Eire is up there

[native portal]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OmQdUScZJxCOKokKD6EEFowMwXPrWBHoJWBmBv47s60/edit?usp=sharing

Put together a skeleton of a system for a larger game in the trench crusade setting

Still very early days but I'm sat watching kids take state tests so I have shit all else to do.

[autumn sun]

https://bsky.app/profile/modiphius.bsky.social/post/3mkkngm4gj62f

Modiphius (@modiphius.bsky.social)

HELLO, COMMANDER

buff.ly/LJK9zN6

#xcom #miniatures #tabletop #wargaming

Bluesky · Apr 28, 2026, 1:02 PM

[hollow slate]

When I have to proctor tests I joke that mentally Im writing the next great American novel

[native portal]

[tawny mountain]

Fuck yes

[native portal]

Damn I'm gonna have to do so much shit to test this -_-

I hate looking at blank labels so maybe I can kitbash some 40k vassal stuff

[unkempt oar]

Does anyone have the discord for the Flying Circus TTRPG? Every link I've found thusfar has been expired

[twin mountain]

... This is the wargame thread. How did you get here?

https://discord.gg/BFdCt2fDN

[unkempt oar]

Of fuck my bad, misread the title, im tired 😭

[twin mountain]

What did you read?

[unkempt oar]

Thought it said indie tabletop game

[twin mountain]

... #tabletop-discussion

We have a whole channel

You're in the sewers

[sudden halo]

It's true, I'm some kind of troglodyte

[hollow slate]

@unkempt oar Sorry to further diverge, but I think the public one is different: https://discord.gg/KbRkBKcAC

Quick question for Ember: Obsidian Protocol, actually, though it's more hobby than mechanics; I remember from the KS they mentioned some parts have "variants" and there are a few exclusive parts, do the rules have those yet? Thinking about the logistics of just building everything

[sand sonnet]

Been a minute since I looked but I recall there being KS exclusive parts in the list builder with their rules and such.

It should be still pinned in here.

[distant roost]

Yeah Watermelon's list builder in the pinned post here not only has all the parts, it'll flag a build as "banned" if it has the KS exclusive parts on it and lets you filter in inventory mode to only build lists out of what you can build in a physical set of boxes so you don't build like a 5 HMG list then find out core box RDL has 2 on the sprues
#1161730220164911187 message

If folks do want to play more Ember on TTS (or play for the first time) I can run more TTS matches, the list importer macro to TTS is real nice

[hollow slate]

I need to read through the rules and build a list first

[compact leaf]

Regarding variants of things you can build there are a couple cores and legs in RDL I know of?

[distant roost]

Yeah, there's the RDL Genji and Mallard expansion pack that do use some spare parts from the core box and I think they're working on reworking that kit both to not be resin and be standalone parts

The Glacier and Lava cores also are a sort of exclusive build where if you do 2 of 1 you don't have enough bits for the other but those are easy enough to proxy for each other

[native portal]

Recoloring and tweaking some of the soldier hoosier118 drew for me

Do these read as Yeomen?

[deep mirage]

Oneday......

Despite the message "We didn't forget about you" it still feels bad that we got nothing to improve our position.

Except todays news about infiltrators of course but thats still not enough tbh

https://www.trenchcrusade.com/trench-wire/rules/infiltrators-rules-update/

[hollow slate]

Yeaaaaah, unfortunately

[orchid leaf]

Has anyone here bought resin minis that were pre-printed?

[sand sonnet]

Like getting an STL printed or buying from an authorized reseller? I have. Why do you ask?

[orchid leaf]

Im getting better at blender and was thinking about maybe selling prints at the local shop, but dont know how packaging would go

So wanted to ask what they were contained in when you bought them

[trail fulcrum]

Honestly unless youre okay with locking up cash in inventory you might be better off printing to order

[orchid leaf]

Still needs packaging

Admiral (she/her) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) Honestly unless youre okay with locking up cash in inventory you might be better off printing to ord…

Also shipping from Wyoming is exorbitant qwq

[trail fulcrum]

I mean like do a small run od prints as display and say to order

[sand sonnet]

Got mine in bubble wrap in a flat rate box.

Packed well it was mostly fine.

[sudden halo]

Most things are like that or in plastic baggies, but the bigger companies that sell resin printed minis like Death ray designs and BSS use clamshells.

[sand sonnet]

Probably don't need to go that far until you're like producing your own indy game or trying to sell to distributors/as a store.

[modern snow]

There are a lot of different ways you could approach packaging, it's one of the many fun facets of product design!

As long as your packaging clearly presents the contents within in some fashion (art, renders, package window, etc) and safely protects the contents during transit, anything goes. Especially for something more boutique like what you're contemplating.

Bare minimum, IMHO, would be a Ziploc baggie with a hang-tag or a small cardboard box with some foam or shredded packing material

[twin mountain]

https://youtube.com/shorts/y5dVdG4pqyM

[potent wyvern]

I mean the first one is just maleghast

[next pilot]

I mean I bought into a dark fantasy game called malediction last month so yeah, accurate

unfortunately no one else near me seems to have

[compact leaf]

@tepid steeple Feudom news: we're getting Pierre before cavalry??
Also he's high command-

Big beatstick horse man
Profiles allegedly next week

Or.. sorry
Two weeks from now?

[sand cloak]

John Warhammer, from Two Thin Coats
https://youtu.be/OJjxOjfmh8Q

Look at this man and his beard!

[compact leaf]

Hey hey @twin mountain, were you the one who was talking about Eldfall Chronicles a little while ago?
What's the pitch?

(apologies for the ping)

[twin mountain]

I don't think so!

That sounds unfamiliar to me

When you learn about it tell @latent rover

[latent rover]

lmao

[sudden halo]

its pretty popular in my local infinity scene

the pitch as far as i know is infinity but 3-5 models and fantasy?

[compact leaf]

Ah apologies
I thought I saw someone in here talking about it ;-;

[compact leaf]

I see I see...
I'll look into it

[compact leaf]

Infinity folks
Aleph now has a doggie

[tepid steeple]

This is Cetus erasure >:(

Though tbh it kinda just looks like a cetus redesign and possible generification

[compact leaf]

Cetus is a doggie for my purposes

[tepid steeple]

I mean aleph has Had a dog

[compact leaf]

I mean
Andromeda still very much has Cetus, ye

Unless you're referring to something else now..?

[tepid steeple]

What I mean is that when you said “aleph now has a dog” it implies aleph didnt have a dog before, erasing cetus xP

[compact leaf]

It.. was more "OSS has a doggie now" but upon further inspection that also doesn't change things

You.. you know what I meant though..

[tepid steeple]

Ikkk I was just doing a joke not like

Coming at you haha

[compact leaf]

So
Uhh
Allegedly new infinity box reveals today

I'll keep y'all posted

[compact leaf]

It begins...

https://youtu.be/IggTgL8TQOg

Oookay
I think I got em all
For OSS:

For corgie

[echo marten]

Dikpala Tacbots seem nice. Yeah, they're only BS11 but being remotes with ECM (Hacker) -3 and Wip scores that PanO has never seen is pretty nice for making them resistant to anti-remote tools.

13 point Repeater Panzerfaust seems really nice

Houndbots being Superjump Adhesive Launcher + Heavy Riotstopper looks real annoying (Complimentary)

[compact leaf]

Models!

[compact leaf]

Seems they're replacing Dakinis with them too

Which is like.. yeah fair

[echo marten]

They do seem to be basicly 'Dakini 2.0'

Asuras remain Asuras, aka: My favorite thing ever.

That said: Hacker Asura went from Combi Rifle to Combi Marksman Rifle, which makes sense for a more reactive gun.

[compact leaf]

And it's got ECM now!

Oh!
And Corgie is actually getting split into two separate "divisions" now, which is.. certainly an interesting way to avoid bloat

[echo marten]

They were kinda...huge.

[echo marten]

Yeah, I do not like the idea of being the hacker trying to take on OSS.

'I'm a second string hacker, but I'm sure there is something in-faction I can hack reliably...' Gets beaten up by the REMOTES having ECM and WIP13

[tepid steeple]

yeah it's wild but it does make sense kinda

[echo marten]

Cops and Nuns, I suppose is the split?

[tepid steeple]

no you're thinking of bakunin

the corregidor split is just old stuff and new stuff essentially

with the new stuff being surface units on plot planet

[echo marten]

Right, wrong nomad ship.

[tepid steeple]

I really like the kinnara just being smol marut

[compact leaf]

Speaking of

I forgot to post those

Here ya go

[tepid steeple]

bambadroid is so cute

I think the paintjob here ruins the coyote model compared to the key art :(

but that's fixable

I think maybe it's also just the model having that weird hunched pose they do for some reason

[compact leaf]

I still gotta find the art now that I think about it

[modern snow]

Surface Division rocks. Looks like such a cool sectorial to play

also if marketing material is to be believed, StarCo might actually see some of these new profiles! 🤩

[compact leaf]

I'm still trying to figure out how the division thing works..
We've been told it's all still going to be under one sectorial, and you'll have some way of seeing which things belong to which division in the army builder

[modern snow]

yeah I'm curious to see how they handle it.

[tepid steeple]

New feature I guess

From the ava sheet n stuff I think functionally they are gonna be separate sectorials as we currently know them

But within the builder itll be a button after pressing corregidor? I guess?

i wonder if thats gonna be true for how it works in its as in for faction decleration at the beginning of a game and your two lists etc

[tepid steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1181615854740324352/1503744438713843722/14.jpg?ex=6a0476a4&is=6a032524&hm=ef78b1023dfd42e990c2221de222f5f333a72cc7be5134260589ad41a25af181&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1181615854740324352/1503744439615754290/13.jpg?ex=6a0476a4&is=6a032524&hm=fcd68826cc24b18973ee6eaac627fa71f8eeed594a1b92cb698afcd8c151a8ee&

Id be kinda surprised if all the units were in one list and you just got an X if you brought mutually exclusive units, if you know what I mean

[compact leaf]

Many of the people I've spoken to on the inside are kinda all going towards "you could bring a list from each division to a tournament if you wanted to"

So it's a list building limitation, rather than a separate faction

[tepid steeple]

Interesting

Which also kinda means you have to be able to just declare corregidor, without specifying a division

[compact leaf]

Allegedly there are supposed to be labels for them

[tepid steeple]

And you could even write a list so that its unclear which it is after deployment even with the corregidor camo game and shared models

Very interessant

[compact leaf]

Mhm mhm

...assuming you don't have to tell people which division you're running

[tepid steeple]

Mm

If the lists can be different divisions you must not have to say before picking lists at least but yeah could be another timing

Its also kinda funny cause its somewhat a revival of how military orders used to work

At least thats the closest precedent in the game

[compact leaf]

I wonder if Bakunin will also get the divisions thing

They'd be the other one for it, imo

[tepid steeple]

Hmm

My impression is that theyd have to change a bit to make that work

Like conceptually yeah but in terms of the actual roster idk

[compact leaf]

Yeaaa, I feel ya
They'd probably have some extra overlap

[orchid tulip]

I don't like how some shared units are in completely different order in the diff divisions. Like both have Moran Maasai Hunter but for Surface they are listed before the Zonds and Deep Space have them after the Zonds

[tepid steeple]

Yeah thats dumb haha

[compact leaf]

Good news: that's absolutely not how the army builder is going to be organized

And those division rosters are obviously missing units anyways.

You can never really trust them... Just look at the OSS one. Thorakitai are there for some reason.

[tepid steeple]

Fair

[clear shadow]

It's okay Maximus just brought a friend from highschool

[compact leaf]

Well

Okay

So
It's all one big faction, but with two rosters

Like we thought the other day

Apparently more details to follow

[echo marten]

...that seems like a hefty advantage over other factions.

[compact leaf]

It's gonna depend a lot on which roster does what, to me.

For now we'll reserve our judgement

But Corgie has been among the very worst performing factions and lacking in identity for a while now

This helps a lot with that, I feel

[tepid steeple]

I mean the new mechanic is essentially a nerf that other factions dont have to deal with

Like oss is also getting new units and buffed units; and theyre allowed to use them will all the existing units just fine. Thats a better deal

Like taking one of their new units doesnt ban them from taking bounty hunters in the same list (which like having to choose between hawkwood and shinies is genuinely relevant)

And like if it happened to bakunin it would undoubtedly be a practical nerf too, just presumably would be made up for with buffs with that freed up power budget. Other than the fact that bakunin are starting at a much higher level than corregidor like Till said

[compact leaf]

See, some people say it's a nerf
Some say it's strong
Others have no idea what to make of it-

It's rather divisive

But personally
To make it work
Current Corgie profiles definitely need a bit of work

[compact leaf]

Probably wildcats will see some decent changes?

[tepid steeple]

Mm

[compact leaf]

I can only hope...

[clear shadow]

https://youtu.be/dL1-ecQDU0Q I saw this trailer for some game without a lot of attention

The game does kinda seem like an off-brand version of kill team's boarding action thing.

The trailer does the corvus belli-style animated battle report though so that's cool

[twin mountain]

Wrong thread

[next pilot]

Oh sorry my bad

[tender wadi]

Okay that looks sick

[compact leaf]

Infinity global campaign!

[tepid steeple]

Oooh

[compact leaf]

There's already an audio log up on infinitygeist

[sudden halo]

Most of the spaceships my group ordered finally came in. Ready to start building models and prepping for our big game. This year we're doing a big narrative Full Thrust scenario

[compact leaf]

It's tiiiiimmmeeee!!

[compact leaf]

You can go check it out here:
https://infinitygeist.com/

[tepid steeple]

I like the missionnn

Play it thursday I hope

[compact leaf]

Ruby Thursday..

I'll probably be playing mine next week

Playing the police™ is certainly going to be a little thematic

But I'm sure my opponent will bring a TAG to the party

[hollow crypt]

Played and enjoyed a game of greathelm so Im coming here to find out if the paid rules are worth it/if the dev is someone Im comfortable supporting

[potent wyvern]

Nice

Greathelm is cool

[twin mountain]

I supported greathelm and afaik the dev is a cool person? I haven't heard anything either way but their vibe seems nice and I assume good things by default?

@modern snow you know anything?

[potent wyvern]

Malev is very chill and cool

I haven’t heard anything sus about him either

[hollow crypt]

Ill admit to assuming bad vibes from people making medieval wargames but that’s good to hear

It’s quite fun and abundantly simple, which I appreciate

[sudden halo]

Malev is a great guy, definitely someone you can support.

The only negative I've ever heard about him is that he's not the most organized guy so some of the other indie creators that have worked with him have gotten frustrated at times but everyone has nothing but great things to say about him personally.

[twin mountain]

glad to hear they're as lovely as they seemed

@hollow crypt

i'm glad you like greathelm!

I was on the KS ffor it too

https://greathelm.indietabletop.club/

[modern snow]

Greathelm gud. Malev gud. 🫡

[twin mountain]

Yayy

Thank you Corey

[hollow crypt]

Yeah it’s cool, I’m going to spring for the full rules if Ive got money to spare at the end of the week

[twin mountain]

Hell yeah

Please post your after action reports

[hollow crypt]

I find I don’t mind MaM when I don’t have to measure more than… 6 inches or whatevr

No footlong tape measures

[twin mountain]

I would love to see more wargames posted here that are more indie than infinity

🥲

[hollow crypt]

For those curious I lost badly

I think bashing really makes the game interesting

[sudden halo]

I've got a lot coming this fall. A neighborhood game hall/shop opened real close to me in kind of a queer hipster part of Atlanta and it seems that the rest of the folks that show up over there are big indie game enjoyers.

We've got Gaslands happening a few times this summer, Quar in the fall. On the personal front our annual "Big Game" is going to be 1 day of Full Thrust and 1 day of Sector ALIX.

Then in less indie but still indie compared to Warhammer we have a Battletech campaign starting and a Warcrow league, but those are more known quantities.

[twin mountain]

do tell

speaking of wargames, i wanna do more playtesting for windfall later this year

[distant roost]

Windfall's fun and accessible in 0.6, can confirm

Ember: Obsidian Protocol's still kicking around too, looks like the creators will be at Gen Con 2026 in Indy

[hollow crypt]

It’s a forced movement thing that: clears momentum which is neat, and takes place after all the efficient movement actions but not after all the movement

Without it it’d kinda just be dudes hitting eachother but there’s enough juice there

[hollow crypt]

Yeah I do want to get back into windfall. I have been busy busy and trying to make sure my laptop survived the term

[sudden halo]

I'm hoping the raid box kickstarts some local play. There's a few players locally but they're pretty far from me.

[orchid tulip]

Now that I finally have a job, I'm gonna try and get some RDL Cave and heavy boxes irl

[distant roost]

They (Queti) did announce yesterday there's land shipping options now available, good for EU customers with time to wait

[twin mountain]

This is super lovely to hear

[distant roost]

Thank you for your hard work on the Docs and TTS mod!

[potent wyvern]

I would yap about maleghast here but…we got a channel for that haha

[lament fulcrum]

oh shit i need to find maleghast games i forgot all about it being here lol, probably a good way to dip my toes into making wargame friends

[potent wyvern]

You might be in luck

https://discord.gg/CYtrG2vUf?event=1506692633437929633

Im running a lil event in the unofficial server

[lament fulcrum]

oh shit perfect timing, better reread the rulebook lol

[potent wyvern]

Getting folks together to play the game

This will be a bi weekly thing so don’t worry about missing out

[lament fulcrum]

i should be able to catch this sunday! thanks for the recc

[potent wyvern]

Its on Saturday

[compact leaf]

Hmmm

[lament fulcrum]

oh sorry its converting to my time i think

[potent wyvern]

Ahh i see

[compact leaf]

I think I'm gonna make a physical maleghast set for my locals

[potent wyvern]

Well that’s good

[potent wyvern]

Noice

Have you see the official stls?

[lament fulcrum]

ironically its at midnight for real here

for the time of the event

[potent wyvern]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/taigaminiatures/magnagothica-maleghast-miniatures?ref=4fsq8e

[twin mountain]

Please do anyway

[potent wyvern]

Winged do you know about the birds btw?

[compact leaf]

I.. have not!

I was just gonna print things out on cardstock and put them on stands haha

But my LGS has a 3d printing service so I'll happily take those

[lament fulcrum]

oooh these factions are all super cool, i think when i first read ages ago i was torn between deadsouls and gargamox and i still am lol, the goregrinders painghoul speaks to me so hard but i think deadsouls will have to be the first one i try out

shit... it might be hellminth...

[potent wyvern]

The woims strike again

[twin mountain]

nooo

[potent wyvern]

Maleghast has a bird faction

The Steeplewracks

[twin mountain]

i'm in

[potent wyvern]

These wonderful freaks

[sand cloak]

...

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-evil-boss-iloveit-snl-gif-15241712

[twin mountain]

genuinely wish i knew like. anything about maleghast honestly

are there good play videos online?

[tepid steeple]

It has grid

[potent wyvern]

Ehhh it’s mostly the same as its been

[tepid steeple]

I havent read it in so long and only played it once oops

[potent wyvern]

Theres dragonkid videos, which are outdated

Bored_necromancer has more recent stuff tho they are fairly new

https://youtu.be/RP-7KJuR7Y8

[tepid steeple]

How outdated? Just new factions or ?

[potent wyvern]

They were made just as the game came out

So theres alot of rules confusion as such

1.0 also had pretty wild balance which is no longer a thing

[tepid steeple]

Because of balance updates?

Fair enough

Vaguely remember launch confusion too

[twin mountain]

I mean I literally don't know if it's alternating activations and stuff

Like can anyone just give me a paragraph primer on how it plays

[potent wyvern]

Oh it does haha

[weary cradle]

alternating activations
when activated, units can either move and act, or move twice
try to kill the other necromancer to win

[potent wyvern]

Yeah its pretty straightforward

[twin mountain]

Oh king vs king?

[potent wyvern]

Default game mode

There’s scenarios with additional objectives

[weary cradle]

yeag

i still wanna see if a 1v1v1v1 is possible w/ maleghast

[tepid steeple]

Stuff has like several action choices which are unique to each profile

[potent wyvern]

If you played tom’s other tactical games (especially icon) you have good idea on how it feels

Just in a wargame format

[weary cradle]

its got more token action but p much yea

[twin mountain]

That sounds fun

[tepid steeple]

And your necromancer has abilities powered by a currency you get over time and when your guys die

[twin mountain]

What are attacks and stats like and stuff

State tracking

[potent wyvern]

Probably tom’s most straightforward system

[weary cradle]

stats is just hp, defense (to hit roll), move value, & type of armor

[potent wyvern]

Its primarily token based

[weary cradle]

like icon, a lot of stuff is just in the unit profile

[potent wyvern]

Along with stats and such

Theres also not alot bespoke tracked effect

[twin mountain]

Armor?

[tepid steeple]

How does armour work again?

[twin mountain]

Just explain all the steps

[potent wyvern]

What little there is usually tied to units, like auras. Others things resolve immediately or basic on universal stuff that is commonly shared

Like terrain or the 6 generic tokens

[weary cradle]

flat -1 to the type of damage

[potent wyvern]

In addition to unique faction mechanics

[potent wyvern]

Maleghast has 3 types of damage

Untyped, which physical armor blocks by 1, and typed (toxic, fire, holy, curse) which mag armor blocks by 1

Super armor blocks both types by one

Theres also devil damage

Which us true damage

Cant be reduced or ignored

Units slain by devil damage are also obliterated (no corpse, no slay effects, no soul)

On yeah soul

Soul is basically super meter

[weary cradle]

• check range: attacks have minimum range of 1 by default. melee-tagged attacks can only be done against adjacent units. longer ranged attacks have a minimum-to-maximum band (frex. 2-4)
• attacker rolls a d6. if its equal or over the targets defense, its a hit & u deal the damage listed in the attack. if it misses, its a graze: just 1 damage
• if the target has armor against the type of damage the attack deals, its reduced by 1 (misses being reduced to 0 here)

u can get more dice for the attack roll, just picking the highest result ala blades

[potent wyvern]

You get 1 at the start of each round after the first and 1 the first time each unit dies. You cache it out for soul abilities on your necro which dont cost an act but need to triggered first

[tepid steeple]

Health and damage is really low like 4 hp is standard per guy

[potent wyvern]

It’s basically the into the breach setup

2/4/6

With necros being 8 or 10

[trail fulcrum]

which is this?

[weary cradle]

maleghast

[potent wyvern]

Well graze does 1 dmg (it will inherit base dmg typing)

But it can be reduced to zero by armor

Its also gonna be changed to be able to be increased like with strength

@twin mountain anything else u wanna know?

[twin mountain]

excellent, this is super clear and seems really fast. no damage roll either. I like it

and it's grid movement right? no measuring?

I'm really interested

[potent wyvern]

Well it depends on the ability

[twin mountain]

please tell me there's no LOS stuff

[potent wyvern]

Sometimes abilities have random effects attached to them

Were you roll another die for

[tepid steeple]

Theres walls

I dont remember if theres cover

[tepid steeple]

Or if people are or can be walls

[potent wyvern]

Yes but its pretty straightforward and does not come up often

If atleast one corner of a space can draw a straight to the corner of another space without grazing a los blocker then there is los

[tepid steeple]

But yeah all grid

[potent wyvern]

It is not based on models or whatever

[potent wyvern]

Also yes

Its xcom rules

And walls are also obstruction and los blockers

[next pilot]

magnagothica could make a really good roguelike based on it

[potent wyvern]

Sure

[twin mountain]

wait what are the cover rules

[twin mountain]

sorry that didn't come up in the list here

[potent wyvern]

Xcom

Its xcom rules

[twin mountain]

... xcom rules cannot be applied to a d6

please, just tell me how it works

[potent wyvern]

Oh

Sry

It gives -1D to ranged attacks to units in cover

[twin mountain]

I see

👀

@fast glade @toxic trench any interest in trying out necromancer chess wargame thing

if I wanted to get into MM what would be the books to buy

[potent wyvern]

Yeah sorry I thought you were wondering how cover is measured

[twin mountain]

what are the latest rules + how do I get the birds

[potent wyvern]

Well core book is 6.66

Gff1 has the birds, gff2 has the woims and other stuff

Both are free

Gff3 has extra scenarios and it will be free soon

[twin mountain]

I see

[potent wyvern]

https://tombloom.itch.io

[twin mountain]

I should def take this to the channel

[potent wyvern]

You can get em
Here

Oh yeah

[twin mountain]

i'm gonna go there #maleghast-general

[fast glade]

Mm, there's the usual time and energy issues really

[twin mountain]

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/2428096266958362517/0CE598DE2F58D8284F9F74EE97728738078C81C1/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

this seems like it'll have a vibe you'd love and very simple rules

i think it's worth a shot

[fast glade]

Well

As long as you're prepared to spoonfeed me the rules and give me an army

Then we can give it a try when an opportunity pops up

[weary cradle]

i will say army building mostly starts & ends at 'pick this many units'

w/ unit types serving as limitation

[potent wyvern]

Yeah list building is super easy

Like you can pick one of every unit and what upgrade you think is cool and do fine

[weary cradle]

i remember running an all thralls build twice

one gargamox & one w/ the birdfreaks

[potent wyvern]

Also gff4 is coming out soon

Which will include all of these

[fast glade]

yes but I have zero spoons, if you try and make me get into a new thing and make decisions there's a good chance that Dark Alex will take over, step outside and go for a run instead

[potent wyvern]

Oh you would love the woims

[twin mountain]

https://www.electi-studio.com/bloodyhollow

[compact leaf]

Well
You can search for the new units in the infinity army app now

It's probably still not quite done but..
They're in there for reals

[modern snow]

Word on the grapevine is Thursday

[compact leaf]

So they say

[twin mountain]

UNDAUNTED CALLISTO ON TTS https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3733193280

[ocean holly]

Entirelynoemal amount of gushing in the comments, I see

[twin mountain]

Ssshhhhhh

[ocean holly]

Also I'm so sorry

I've had a mod for a year

And didn't think to share

[hollow crypt]

Oh my god finally

I saw an undaunted game at a board game cafe today and was yearning for callisto

[twin mountain]

WHAT

[ocean holly]

I said in sorry

I can share where I got it?

[twin mountain]

Yes please

:(

[compact leaf]

Well
There's your date infinity folks

It's Thursday in our hearts..

[compact leaf]

Oh uhh
And Aleph is getting a flyer

Not that we know what it looks like

[tepid steeple]

Horizontal marut

[compact leaf]

Twas missing from the unit list, but it exists!

[modern snow]

it's a plane that carries the marut like that one transport in evangelion

[tepid steeple]

Imagining a world where vehicles meant adding (back) transports and not tags with super jump 😅

[sand sonnet]

Next Mobile Arms expansion.

[modern snow]

[compact leaf]

Well

Here you go
Actual real changelog

[tepid steeple]

Ooh

[compact leaf]

There's a lot

[tepid steeple]

Yeaaah

Especially oss

[pearl knot]

WHAT THE-

a local space has enough infinity players to get me catching up with the game and

holy shit

when did that happen o.O

[compact leaf]

Today

OSS got the good stuff out of this update, Corregidor is..
Better, but didn't see as big a change as OSS did

There are definitely some kinks to work out in the army app anyhow, there are factions missing Dikpala that are supposed to have them (based on an official statement from CB staff)

[pearl knot]

i am gonna have to sleep on this and like, pore over the options and figure out my listbuilding priorities because this is some choice stuff

[compact leaf]

If you're an Aleph player, you're eating good

real good

[pearl knot]

no shit

i started off giggling about getting something that actually potentially makes an Asura work (and I can do smoke games with them now, if mercs are allowed :>), then started looking deeper and like

i could do the 'my courtesy list is a blank sheet of paper' gag and it wouldn't even be just a gag, it might be legitimately terrifying

[compact leaf]

Asuras now reign as one of the most dangerous hackers in the game

As they should

The AI faction should absolutely have a literal demon waiting to tear into anything that walks inside their repeater network

And Dasyus and Nagas are.. yeah...
OSS gets a ton of midfield now

[compact leaf]

Anyways

Congrats on your unlinkable Thorakitai OSS players

[pearl knot]

sickos.png

[tepid steeple]

So random

They added alguaciles to bakunin and tunguska too

But moderators are cheaper and securitate are better

[compact leaf]

Brigada showing up everywhere was a pretty big deal though

[sudden halo]

Brigada being in the Bakunin tag fire team is pretty big.

Stigmata + brigada hacker could be real nasty. Stigmata gets pretty dang hard to hack with tinbot -6

[tepid steeple]

Oh i didnt even think about that 😱

The tinbot profiles are definitely the tastiest

I need to get around to picking up the hacker model

Been meaning to for qk

I wannaaa

Paint them green :) and paint a set of alguaciles green to proxy ghulams mostly even though I already own ghulams lmao

[sudden halo]

QK is really fun. I painted brawlers to be generic proxies for some of their stuff.

[tepid steeple]

I played them for the first time in a while cause I needed a change :)

Did druze pitcher stuff and assisted fire rafiq fto

[compact leaf]

If it's worth anything, we know they're getting a redesign

So
Expect a brigada box soon

Unless CB just decides not to use that new design they made lmao

[modern snow]

Penny remind me to send you pics of my StarCo, all of my nomads are Apple Green

[modern snow]

Wait was this posted somewhere? I assumed brigada we're getting a redesign because their sculpts are a decade old but this is great news

[compact leaf]

It's a very strong suspicion of mine after seeing a different design on a couple recent nomads boxes (the action pack and paint set)
I...
Admit I probably made it sound more concrete than that, but...
Regardless, there's still probably new Brigada on the way

They've likes to refresh most of the models in their reworked sectorials and most of Corgie already had that done, Brigada were one of the few exceptions

Probably means new geckos too?

[tepid steeple]

Yeah id concur

I actually forgot to say but my plan was to specifically get older alguaciles as well haha

But im interested to see where they take the MB if they do

[modern snow]

I would not be surprised if they redesigned the Brigada to take more visual cues from the Evader/Iguana Operator/Bearcat designs

[compact leaf]

They're more blocky, if anything

Like
Still rounded
But much more rectangular

Or....I'm crazy

Here's the clearest reference I've got, though
It's not gonna change too much (if my predictions end up correct and it actually changes at all)

Current concept art for reference

Mmmmost of it is in the helmet

[tepid steeple]

More dogy

Helmets make up a lot of how a design looks lol

Dunno it could go either way I tuink

[compact leaf]

Yar, true

That's kinda what happened with Wu Ming now that I think about it

Basically just the head changed, the armour stayed the same (with a couple extra vents, but that was it?)

[modern snow]

yeah my hunch for a MB sculpt also stems from the post-mazebreaker lineup. For Corregidor, we don't really have any new profiles that aren't present in the new box. We'll probably get a Booster pack or two (I could see one containing an alt-sculpt Coyote, a BambaDroid, and another Territorial or Shifta) but since essentially all of the new profiles are present in Mazebreaker, they're gonna have to come up with some other new corregidor releases somehow 🤔

[compact leaf]

Mhm mhm

So like
Jaguars box, MB box, a couple alt sculpts of the new stuff, Vostok and the crimson stone stuff will probably get repackaged(?)

And of course, Geckos

Maybe Jazz and Billie too

I hope so-
Personally

[tepid steeple]

Geckos would be real nice, but i hope theyd either keep them two to a box or give then two poses at least

[compact leaf]

They'd better be two to a box or I will die

[modern snow]

Jag box would be preem

Secret much-needed StarCo resculpts

[trail fulcrum]

Xcom babbbyyy

[orchid leaf]

It's Tim for another new system (to me. Very old system otherwise)

[left moss]

ooo a very good pick

[ocean holly]

Enjoy!

[orchid leaf]

Been trying to get most of the minis off their bases (gonna put magnets in the feet of the bigger ones so I can stick them on size 2/3 lancer bases too)

I should check if the last one will come up now

[left moss]

battletech can work surprisingly well as a wargame/ttrpg

[hollow slate]

Trench Crusade changed the discord server icon for pride month and it's funny to watch the bans roll in

[sudden sundial]

Baiting the ebemy into no man's land

[lament fulcrum]

its weird because the discord is generally incredibly gay from what i've seen lol, i didnt think there would be so many fiends

[tawny sandal]

It’s because there was an initial wave of it being sold by some people (not the creators to be clear) as “the cool new gritty grimdark thing that isn’t woke and gay like 40k is because they said they didn’t want literal nazi cosplayers at events”

And definitely has a vibe that on a surface level can attract that kind of person

[lament fulcrum]

fair, the community seems generally nice but its a shame you have to watch out for those types

[tawny sandal]

Yeah it’s unfortunate, same with a lot of historical wargames, especially WWII ones

[native portal]

I mean it's a deep vibe

[tawny sandal]

Fair

[native portal]

Holy war between heaven and hell with actual trench pilgrims and deus vult shit

Not that they ARE chuds because they're not but

It's like chud history crack