👶beginner-help

[odd plume]

i dont see vita here?

you cropped her out or you dont have her?

[coarse summit]

i dont have her

[odd plume]

are you planning on pulling HORB new dkey?

[coarse summit]

new dkey ? 😮

i didnt know about it ,

[odd plume]

if you have the dkey, you can use HLE HoRb VBm
if not, use HLE VBm RC/JK/SSb

[spiral badge]

btw for future reference use the grid button at the bottom left corner to display more valks at once

[sweet flax]

its not a must pull by any means, but it is a good pull long term wise

especially if you have competitive goals

[odd plume]

it's a good target overall for you now, but seem like you are a returnee, may want to save for next valk instead

if you only want to build her team, can't stop you

[spiral badge]

on that note can you better specify to us what interests you in returning to the game?

Advice is generally long term meta focused because that's how you get more crystals from abyss, but it's not a requirement. Some people may have other less compatible plans and goals that we should know to adjust for

Also @coarse summit since you're a returnee, there's prob been some drastic changes since you last played.

• Newer valks now have a new system called astral ring. Team building and gameplay has completely changed from it. People already linked the faq for it earlier so this is just going to be a friendly reminder to look at it.
• The gacha has changed notably as well.

!faq supply

[small willow]

Supplies Explained

Hi, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's explanation of every single supply [here](#👶beginner-help message) and find the banner you want to know about!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

mainly the equipment banner. Weapons are the only gacha exclusive gear now. Stigmata are no longer gacha only but instead can be crafted at worst (gacha is still a primary source of them on your way to the weapon).

---

As for new valk releases, the game no longer makes farmables. Every patch is a new gacha only S rank now. To compensate

• patches are longer
• income is higher
• costs are lower
  but if you're f2p, you still can't get enough to guarantee every new release

[slim blaze]

Can confirm

Saved up 30k for thid patch

Still rolling lmao

[spiral badge]

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[lone tide]

i wanted to reroll hle's stigma, what am I look for? psy type atk/bow atk/atk?

[ancient needle]

HLE's not PSY (she's SD), other than that yes

[lone tide]

oh thx!

[ancient needle]

How hard you go on affixes depends on your current lvl and Abyss tier

Also, it's Archer ATK, not Bow ATK

[lone tide]

i just wanted smth else than just resist fire dmg cuz i don't think that's even remotely useful
both my other stigs have at least smth usable

[lone tide]

ok idk the terms yet
lv55

[amber finch]

yeah thats useless

[amber finch]

you shouldnt worry about affixes just yet

[ancient needle]

1 ATK line per stig is more than enough

[lone tide]

so 2nd one right?

[ancient needle]

Might as well not affix at all tbh

[lone tide]

aight lmao

[amber finch]

yeah just save the mats and focus on refining your rotations

[ancient needle]

Yes

[lone tide]

thx

[amber finch]

teammate which valk do i max affect next

[ancient needle]

idk who you alr have maxed

[amber finch]

honestly idk either lmao

[ancient needle]

[amber finch]

definitely not the p2 gang so theres that

maybe i’ll honor sairaan and max lk

yeah lets do lk

nvm she’s maxed wtf

[ancient needle]

HoRb?

Nyx?

[amber finch]

oh yeah nyx

OH WAIT PE

[ancient needle]

Oh yeah

[amber finch]

hehehe honse on bridge

also i overestimated my bracket and now im going to nirv with s1 horb

[ancient needle]

AO status?

[amber finch]

s sera

[ancient needle]

ig you have a chance

[storm lantern]

idt s sera is cooked

[ancient needle]

Don't you have ranked Vita too

[amber finch]

s1 horb hle/s2 vita + no weap badum (im getting her weap soon, should be reran before abyss is over)

[storm lantern]

she gives ari for 2nd ring right

[amber finch]

yeah idk who do i use tho

[ancient needle]

Yeah, should be fine if you don't slack

[amber finch]

vita + hle again? or vita badum??

[ancient needle]

Should be HoRb Badum Vita

[amber finch]

oo

[lyric anvil]

Tribunal gonna be interesting

[storm lantern]

no hfi?

[amber finch]

nah

also i dont think i'll be dealing enough dmg in nirv for hofi

no cdm affixes on horb

[ancient needle]

Is HoFi even better for HoRb

[amber finch]

im purely relying on the 5% cdm emblem

[storm lantern]

better than missing a bunch of buffs from badum weapon yeah

[ancient needle]

Oh, she's weapless? 😭

[amber finch]

its not that bad kan

also i literally said that im getting her weap you dingus

[ancient needle]

Yeah, HLE it is

[lyric anvil]

Ches has weaponless Badum

[amber finch]

.

why do ppl keep assuming i have wax

[ancient needle]

Because who doesn't

[amber finch]

new players

im a poor new player

[lyric anvil]

[amber finch]

me poor f2p

[storm lantern]

my acc was bricked for so long since i forgot to pull on hfi dkey before it went away

[amber finch]

im debating if i should backpull wax

i meannn ehhh

[ancient needle]

I wouldn't

[storm lantern]

seems kind of bricked

[amber finch]

hmghe

[ancient needle]

For Vita DPS you can just run FDD VBm

[amber finch]

true

[storm lantern]

u dont need her for ws or vita and idk if u even have trio

[amber finch]

wtf why is my horb dealing no dmg in er

[amber finch]

nah no trio, my hoo isnt even ss

[abstract sequoia]

which signets?

[ancient needle]

||8.6 might have smth to say about trio too||

[storm lantern]

true

[amber finch]

first boss, kalp1 + kebin1 + some mobi sigs, i mean thats enough for a 15s clear at worst for huodou

idk why she only chipped like 2 bars

[abstract sequoia]

and ego?

[amber finch]

decay

[lyric anvil]

You thought I played Hi3 longer than you

[amber finch]

shh

[lyric anvil]

I hate English

[amber finch]

oh you meant it like that

[abstract sequoia]

yeah okay i would get shared destiny and rising sun as well

or are you doing non-lite with her

[amber finch]

i thought you said like "you thought i played for longer than i actually have)

lite, huodou is supposed to be the floor where i get my 2nd ego

[lyric anvil]

It's almost 6 am and I feel like Dreamseeker

[abstract sequoia]

in that order btw

decay > shared destiny > rising sun

[amber finch]

wtf

ignore sena i was trying smt

[abstract sequoia]

sena good

[lyric anvil]

Sena actually good with HoRb

[amber finch]

im blaming my chen

[lyric anvil]

[abstract sequoia]

well kind of

[amber finch]

brb switching to sera

watch the dmg go up by 4 times fr

[lyric anvil]

I did fine with Chen in ER

[amber finch]

shut

[lyric anvil]

[amber finch]

why am i dealing dmg now

no way its actually sera carrying what the hell

eh not a good huodou floor, 22s is too long smh

[abstract sequoia]

yes

[amber finch]

better than clearing it in 1m so imma take it

[abstract sequoia]

SA should also be good instead of Sena

because HoRb already shreds defense enough

so you don't need much more physical breach

you want other stuff

[amber finch]

I CHOSE THE WRONG VIS NEXUS LMNFAO

[amber finch]

oh right i can just reset

[abstract sequoia]

Aristophanes 3pc as a reference

permanent 55% def shred

[lyric anvil]

Don't know if that increases or gets overridden from another impair she had when was in part 1 teams unless that one isn't there for part 2

[abstract sequoia]

her skills only mention DEF reduction on soul shaper form (support)

[lyric anvil]

Ah*

[abstract sequoia]

and for part 2 teams

[lyric anvil]

She's still locked in Life binder for World Star isn't she?

[abstract sequoia]

yes

[lyric anvil]

Should just say GoI then

[abstract sequoia]

they probably wrote the skills like code conditions

[lyric anvil]

Interesting

[abstract sequoia]

thats my guess at least

i mean you shouldn't be able to go into soul shaper in world star, but just in case they hardlock you in life binder twice

[lyric anvil]

Also not that useful on who she can support for GoI since the two we have currently are Elemental

[abstract sequoia]

not right now yes

she provides other buffs too though

[lyric anvil]

True

[abstract sequoia]

the defense shred is basically for herself

[lyric anvil]

Still hopeful next GoI is Phys

[lyric anvil]

Yeah

[abstract sequoia]

WS or GoI will get Phys

horb seems like a setup for it

[lyric anvil]

Chenxue also having crit rate for both RoO and GoI sets up a lot too

[raven bane]

should i go for vita even shes ass or would she brick my account

[storm lantern]

why do u want to go for vita

[raven bane]

honestly i dont fucking know i just have a urge to pull for her

[storm lantern]

[abstract sequoia]

then do not.

read the carnival guide in the pins

reasons against vita are explained there

[raven bane]

yeah i know but the urges are really strong dude

[abstract sequoia]

then put the reasons on a sticky note in front of your monitor

or desk

[raven bane]

great idea thanks

[abstract sequoia]

pro and contra

just be honest about both

and be aware that you really want weapon for her, even if only for support purposes

[raven bane]

approximately how long will it take for her rerun

[abstract sequoia]

probably never until she reappears in BP or Reserve Works

Vita had her ADV banner already, which basically always marks valkyries as very unlikely to rerun

[raven bane]

this just more reason for me to pull for her broooo

[abstract sequoia]

actually hold on, i need to check that info twice

okay her last normal rerun was 8.3

disregard the ADV thing, i got things confused

[raven bane]

ah fuck i accidently pulled for kiana oufit

i am gonna kms

[abstract sequoia]

maybe don't get so trigger happy with your crystals

either way, vita is really old

and you won't have enough resources to pull her and future valks

you're gonna be penniless

[raven bane]

so my best bet is just to wait

[abstract sequoia]

yes

!faq backpull

[small willow]

What is 'Backpulling'?

Captain! Ai-chan can help!

'Backpulling' refers to pulling a Valkyrie or her equipment (or both!) on a rerun instead of on her release.

For more information on why this is considered damaging to an account for Captains who want to pursue meta in the game, click [here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[abstract sequoia]

this is the most common trap people fall into

because the temptation is high

especially on banners with non-permanent pity

(both carnival and adv)

[raven bane]

one more question

is thelema also very old

[abstract sequoia]

older than vita

her release was in 7.4

[raven bane]

damn

atleast

is she somewhat decent

[abstract sequoia]

part 2's second patch

for her time, yes

like every new release really

[raven bane]

so every old character is irrelevant? (in current meta)

[abstract sequoia]

not irrelevant but not worth spending crystals or even real money on

their shelf time is just lower due to the natural powercreep

[raven bane]

then how the heck do you even get them without spending crystals

[abstract sequoia]

war treasury or enough bp crystallum to buy them there

[amber finch]

waiting for them to be obtainable from sources such as battlepass or spending events or war treasury or straight up given away for free

[abstract sequoia]

old valks also turn up on dorm banner sometimes

[raven bane]

bp takes ages

[amber finch]

everything takes ages

[abstract sequoia]

eventually everyone becomes free

[slim blaze]

time

[amber finch]

if you want smt for free from hoyo then you just gotta wait

[slim blaze]

to slightly unslacc

[amber finch]

hohe took like 2 years to be given away for free

[slim blaze]

time is money and money is time

[amber finch]

so real

[raven bane]

ts some bullshit yo 😭

[amber finch]

basically, why would they give you something that is still relevant albeit not that great

[abstract sequoia]

that's how every gacha kinda works

limited resources prevent you from pulling everyone if you want to go meta

[raven bane]

ay atleast in some cases high cost supports can still make them relevant again

[amber finch]

i meann

[abstract sequoia]

can, but no guarantee

some are hit worse than others, or better and see a resurgence

either way, to afford these valks to revive the valk you need to have crystals saved up anyway

[storm lantern]

ranks are generally pretty shit in this game so you cant force valks into long-term viability

[abstract sequoia]

you can still predictably plan ahead

no 50/50s after all

[raven bane]

is there any chance for older valks to receive rework

[abstract sequoia]

and crystal gains are known

[abstract sequoia]

yes

through divine keys

[raven bane]

but isnt that just new weapon

that shi also changes their kit?

[abstract sequoia]

those weapons always changed fundamental skills

[raven bane]

oh

[abstract sequoia]

and made them accessible again for new teams

[amber finch]

they're basically a new valk with their dkeys

[abstract sequoia]

this is especially notable for part 2's "stellar keys"

[raven bane]

what are the chances they give it to vita or thelema

[abstract sequoia]

unknown

[raven bane]

or even sparkle

[amber finch]

who knows

[abstract sequoia]

hoyo can choose whoever they want

so far, the track record was HoFi > HoHe > HoRb

[amber finch]

ehhh

[raven bane]

then isnt it wise to pull for the old character you want then wait for their key to arrive
I mean at the very end you will still end up waiting either way

[abstract sequoia]

no because it's uncertain that they even get anything

[amber finch]

yeah, wait for 2+ years on massive copium that they will somehow be chosen to get a dkey during which you'll be suffering because you only pulled for old valks while hoyo shills much newer ones

[abstract sequoia]

plenty of other valks got left behind when some got divine keys

[amber finch]

also the current stellar keys are not that great

imo hofi, the first one was really a big hitter, the other 2 are eh debatable

hohe i cant even defend actually

[storm lantern]

no
every stellar key so far has had the corresponding valk available for free beforehand

[abstract sequoia]

horb has potential for future physical valks

[amber finch]

true, we havent had a phys goi yet so we'll see

currently horb is not that great tho

[shy apex]

I'm currently captain level 34 I now have 4/4 vita, hi love elf, and songque should I continue to play this account or reroll?

[amber finch]

thats a good acc already, unless you want to be mega mega optimized then you'd reroll (waiting till badum/ps's rerun and getting her for a better hle team basically)

[storm lantern]

not sure how you got vita and songque because those pulls are very not recommended but if you have hle and can afford her weapon keep the account unless you want to actually reroll

[amber finch]

im assuming lucksacc'd song unless its smt worse

vita from carnv

[storm lantern]

there were already like 2 1-pull jds thats too many

[fluid grove]

should i pri arm this?

[storm lantern]

no

[fluid grove]

no? why

[storm lantern]

dont level it past 35 either

[storm lantern]

costs mats to upgrade

[amber finch]

waste of mats, she's just a cope support for you until you get p2 valks

[shy apex]

I got vita from the free carnival supply pulls and got 4/4 with 20 pulls basically stigmata m and b from the first and weap and stigmata t from the second. Got hle from the free 10 pull aswell and pulled a 10 on songque beginner banner

[fluid grove]

oh dam...i already got it to 50

[amber finch]

then stopping now is better than max pri-ing it

[fluid grove]

okay i see

[storm lantern]

thats fine then just dont pull on anything else besides hle weapon

also dont do 10-pulls on banners with pity that doesn't carry over

still not ideal to do it on normal banners but the average consequences are not as bad

[abstract sequoia]

not account ending, you just have very little upgrade mats especially early

starter manual shop does balance it out though

[fluid grove]

yeah im running out of honkai cubes and coins really fast

im good on everything else though

[abstract sequoia]

that's normal, i still run out of these after years

[raven bane]

one last question who is HoFi Kianas best teammates (not including HoO Mei and HoTr Bronya)

[fluid grove]

i struggle with spending my stamina though. i always lte everything i can and my tasks from open world r always done but i still feel like i have alot leftover. i dont feel like doing story and most of the time i run out of attempts for material events. should i just do expeditions?

[abstract sequoia]

yes farm every expedition objectives for their crystals

doing all 3 unlocks auto expediction for that specific stage

can do the same for material events, even lower leveled ones

after you're done, you can usually dump a lot of stamina into ranking up valkyries through your auto expeditions

just remember story as another crystal mine if all else

[fluid grove]

okay thanks. i think speedrunning everything was a very bad idea from my part xd im having a massive burn out

i already finished everything from the beginner event

[serene crystal]

She is only really a support outside of Trio @raven bane

[raven bane]

still who does she supports the best

[serene crystal]

Mainly RoO valks so LP and FDD.

[abstract sequoia]

yeah overdoing it early can do this to you. take it easy and at your own pace for anything that isn't dailies and weeklies

[raven bane]

but which of those valks benefit her support most

[abstract sequoia]

just try to finish your events before the final couple of weeks

some can be time gated but we usually warn people about those

this patch doesn't have any like that

[fluid grove]

oh yeah ive also finished every event there is rn

on two accounts even

[abstract sequoia]

world star and rite of oblivion valkyries

it's not just some valks, it's for those two astral ring teams

no matter who leads, she can support them as long as they have world star or rite of oblivion

[abstract sequoia]

damn

you did much more than me when I started

and I already played into borderline burnout territory

[fluid grove]

i absolutely. hated. the youthful dreams one

[serene crystal]

One of her main selling points is that she needs extremely short time to apply her buffs

[fluid grove]

it took the longest

[abstract sequoia]

i forget, was that the restaurant?

[fluid grove]

no the one with the school

[abstract sequoia]

oh vampire survivors

I'm biased about this one, i love the gameplay

[raven bane]

so does this mean vita benefits from her!?!?!?!

[abstract sequoia]

yes

[abstract sequoia]

you actually want to have 3 RoO valks in your team for Vita's dps

or you deal no damage

[fluid grove]

well i had the events started on my old lv80 acc and then i made this new one more as a joke since i wasnt ready to give up on my lv80 account even if its bricked. but then i got ely and her weap so i just moved. hence i have the events done on both accs

[raven bane]

fuck it we ball urges won

[abstract sequoia]

bro wait

waxing moon is god knows where

[fluid grove]

no i agree its good i was just saying it took so long it made me tired of it. especially after doing it two times

[abstract sequoia]

don't say i didn't try to talk you out of it

I've already mentioned why you shouldn't backpull

[raven bane]

staring at the note rn

[abstract sequoia]

what's on it

[raven bane]

pros and cons of pulling her

[abstract sequoia]

i mean i get it, it gets a bit repetitive with multiple runs

the different characters make it somewhat fresh i think

[abstract sequoia]

yeah but what exactly

i can add to both lists for you

[fluid grove]

just used aponia for everything on new acc

[abstract sequoia]

i mean you need to do the character trials anyway

[fluid grove]

yeah that one i didnt like so much

i died a few times with two of them. i think it was kevin and the blonde girl on the horse

[raven bane]

pros
works with every character i want
cool animations
big ass mech

cons
doesnt perfom well enough in current meta
no shill

[abstract sequoia]

how about not having enough crystals later for the characters you likely want?

[slim blaze]

cons = will to live gone

[abstract sequoia]

I'm not exaggerating when I said you will be penniless

and patches are long

[raven bane]

even after i finish the story?

[abstract sequoia]

yes

i mean story gives one time crystals

but thats a limited resource

single pull logic is terrible for this game, i also had to drop it when i was still used to it from hsr

[raven bane]

meh at worst case scenario i could buy the level rush shit by begging for money at the streets

but again limited

wait what will come after vitas banner

[abstract sequoia]

carnival schedule ends with badum and sparkle

check ingame news for the banner dates and times

[raven bane]

the urges won but i got her in 10 pulls

[abstract sequoia]

and those 10 pulls now turn into +60 for weapon

also don't forget waxing moon costs, another 60 and a HoFi you probably still need to get

[raven bane]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-fade-smile-fade-to-dumb-happy-to-straight-face-smile-fade-to-shock-smile-fade-to-curious-gif-4098180333973202457

[abstract sequoia]

idk man, I've been trying to tell you

but good she came early i guess

you can farm her shallow sequence crystals now

[raven bane]

should i now try my luck at hle or fully focus on vita

[maiden garden]

Is there any valkyrie to get from the option egg? or do I go for ancient willpower?

[abstract sequoia]

you didn't even pull hle yet?

[abstract sequoia]

!faq egg

[small willow]

S-Rank Valkyrie Option

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the in-depth explanation of what to choose!

Ai-chan recommends that you keep this egg until you have two from the following: Shadow Knight, Sixth Serenade and Goushinnso Memento. When you own two, unlock the one you are still missing.

[abstract sequoia]

and you don't try your luck, you save until you can afford her

[raven bane]

nope

[abstract sequoia]

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[abstract sequoia]

see the bottom

worst case is 42k crystals per valk

average 22k-30k

at least try to get that many crystals first and keep enough around to guarantee weapon

[raven bane]

ok

[tardy plaza]

guys…. is s2 hle good.. i accidentally got her again 🗿

[slim blaze]

[lone crater]

good or not

how u accidentally get

if s2 bad does it change anything

its a free copy

or is this one of those ragebaits

[tardy plaza]

well uh my no self restraint self was “building pity” and i got her earlier than expected

i was not expecting to get her so early and i hope it was worth it 👍

[abstract sequoia]

these are the improvements in a nutshell

[abstract sequoia]

why would you ever build pity though

that's like putting money in a gambling machine after the jackpot was already claimed by you, unless you need two jackpots

if you don't need two jackpots you're just setting yourself up for disappointment

and lose the chance for a potential early banner next patch

[tardy plaza]

i think its because i have a gambling addiction

[abstract sequoia]

try to break free from this habit, it rewards you next patch

i promise

[tardy plaza]

yeah i should really do that. ive never seen my crystals reach 2000+ before then again i just came back to hi3

i wish hi3 had a feature to convert crystals to supply cards

[spiral badge]

that's not a benefit since those supply cards are more restricted in usage. Once you decide to roll, the value doesn't change either. I can only recommend you to begin to accept seeing crystals accumulating. If you need to qwell any urges, consider closing the game, and finding a less consequential alternative like maybe a simulator or an alt account

oh it's been an hour since your post oops lol. Hm normally I would ping but I don't think this is too important overall. Just mainly info for lurkers now i guess

[storm lantern]

it would allow you to multi with cards if you only have 6 or something which would be nice

but i dont multi so it doesn't affect me

[spiral badge]

yeah i was gonna say

that's just convenience which i understand but

if you're penny pinching to the point of singles then you're doing singles anyway

otherwise if you have the luxury to do tens then i hope you have excess planned budget to not mind not spending the single cards until maybe they accumulate to tens too

[ancient needle]

arustats has a gacha simulator btw

[eternal spindle]

how much xtals generally for full gearing a valk?

[glad ice]

if u mean hard pity its 90 pull for valk + 60 pull for weapon (if u do reach 60 u will get a lot of stig as well)
(90+60)*280 = 42000
however a new valk when 1st released has a discount on the first 10pull (usually -50%) so 42000-1400 = 40600

ely this patch got a -100% discount on first 10pull btw

stig are consider 0xtal bcs they are craftable
so if u lucky u can 1 pull valk and 1 pull weapon = 2*280 = 560

f2p players get ~20k per patch, fyi

[haughty elbow]

much more than 20k

[glad ice]

depend on the patch, and we alr have a calculator

yeah i forgot to count the one time source xtal of beginner

[true meteor]

y'all is it worth it to equip the Solon stigmata set to Elysia HoH:E if I don't have the weapon that activates the stellar ring? Here's what my Elysia has equipped

[haughty elbow]

no

[glad ice]

solon barely work if u dont have astral ring activated

if u really into hohe her dk will rerun in 5th Dec

[true meteor]

Unfortunate 🙃 Back then I didn't had the luck for the weapon, I have full Solon set, but no weapon...

[true meteor]

Will have to pull for it then. Thanks a lot!

[eternal spindle]

is hohe still worth it to invest in?

[glad ice]

no. from meta perspective hohe is outdated even with new dk

but there are simps. so i use "if u re really into hohe"

if u lucky i guess it would worth. the pity will be saved btw

u got hohe free anw. if u can get benediction within 30 pulls u will get a dk (10 universal atk), hohe cope WoD dps, hohe cope GoI supp,hohe cope LoA sup

[mossy void]

Oh yeah I also unlocked this

[serene crystal]

The important thing here is getting as close to a 2.25 clear as possible each week

[spiral badge]

At worst you may consider VBm with wang zhaojun 3pc

Check pins for the guide on what signets to pick

[eternal spindle]

is there a difference between clearing highest diff vs 2nd highest? i thought they give the same rewards

[serene crystal]

2.25 gives full crystals anything more doesn't really matter

[glad ice]

no. and in real life there are ppl into maso

[serene crystal]

To be fair 2.75 is completely free for any modern valk with even half decent signet choices

[eternal spindle]

yea i cleared 2.5 with no problems with my lvl 40 hle

[hardy lintel]

hello, i saw they giving away hercher of ego and truth, which youd recomend?

[serene crystal]

see pins for an in-depth discussion but for a new account the difference is most likely 30 extra crystals from a tutorial mission for HoHe

Waiting until closer to the enddate is probably the best idea so if we get info from CN which changes priorities you haven't chosen the wrong one.

[hardy lintel]

wdym?

[serene crystal]

The free valk doesn't expire until the end of the patch

[hardy lintel]

btw guys, is yoyo god girl good? cuz im trying to get her with those round coins that turn into 10 fragments, is it worth?

[glad ice]

wait until later so we will have more information from CN because their schedule is 1 month earlier than other server. based on the information the value of hohe/hotr MAY change

[glad ice]

u cant forge a valk from stamps

those are for upgrading only

make me think thats one reason they make frags into stamps

[hardy lintel]

.-. what

[amber finch]

tldr: you can only use the stamps for the valkyries that you have

they are for ranking the valkyrie up, not unlocking them

[storm lantern]

also to answer the actual question no

[amber finch]

if you tap on the stamp then there will be a disclaimer telling you that

[glad ice]

yeah yoyo girl is outdated as well

forgot about main question lol

[amber finch]

oh wait why is mod recruit back

who retired

[hardy lintel]

ok, any one wanna rate my acc to see how screwed am i? XD

[amber finch]

just send it here

there'll be lurkers around, and me, im here

[amber finch]

go to #rules-en to get a role to be able to send images

[amber finch]

new or returnee acc btw

aight from the boxes seems like a returnee acc

[hardy lintel]

i played back when songque was out, then stopped right after getting her lmao xd, but in total i may not have much than a few months, and i dont remember much anyways haha

[storm lantern]

they also have kira wep

[amber finch]

aight tldr that account is no different from a newly made 2 days old account

[storm lantern]

new accounts are good especially if you reroll

[amber finch]

if you want to salvage your account then it's gonna take quite abit of time since patches are 9-10 weeks on average now

i'd recommend starting over

[hardy lintel]

but ive already finished all of the story :<

[storm lantern]

thats more of a reason to restart

completing story gives xtals

[hardy lintel]

the chapters ones, like before it go open world

[amber finch]

yeah you didnt finish story then

again, not forcing you to restart

if you want to save your account then its possible too

just gonna take you quite awhile

[hardy lintel]

Id love to save it if possible,, mainly cuz i like songque hehe

[amber finch]

since you dont have starter event + you finished quite abit of story already and you're dirt poor

[hardy lintel]

and hercher of void

[amber finch]

she's free

[amber finch]

i'd give an estimate of hm, 1 year for rl retain with some demotes from time to time assuming you also learn how to rotate

[amber finch]

btw you're trying to be meta again right

[amber finch]

all of them are useless

[hardy lintel]

i dont think i ever was meta, nor do i know what meta look like rn

[amber finch]

if you're a casual player then you can just do whatever you want basically

[hardy lintel]

I saw on a teir list like herchdr of thunder was good

[amber finch]

and it seems like you've been doing that anyways

[amber finch]

tierlists dont work in this game and she's dogshit

[amber finch]

like i said

if you dont really care about being a meta player then you're basically free to do whatever ya want

anyways back to rating your acc

[hardy lintel]

im struggliing on the like, elysia realm and this like Q-manfold

[amber finch]

from my standpoint as an experienced player, eh 1/10 i guess

[amber finch]

yeah because you have nothing usable

[hardy lintel]

damn, i expected less

[amber finch]

can use A rank coralie/helia to clear ER

also qmanifold? oh you havent broken through

it's your main source of renewable crystals (elysian realm too)

that why there is an emphasis on being a meta player

[hardy lintel]

that what i was told

[amber finch]

you want to reach a stable abyss rank and retain it

if you're a mega casual player then it's pretty hard to do that

[hardy lintel]

im pitty 26 on this like carnival supply, so im wanna try get her

[amber finch]

bad idea but do what ya want

you're in too deep so

[hardy lintel]

im basically screwed? Got it Lmao

[amber finch]

i mean yeah for a meta player you're basically fucked

[outer spruce]

carnival pity doesn't carry over

[storm lantern]

i would recommend reading banner rules before pulling

[amber finch]

for a casual player you can really just do whatever you want like i said

[outer spruce]

once it's gone, it's gone

[amber finch]

your account is no different from a new player's account

[hardy lintel]

saw that, reason im desperate to get gems rn :>

[outer spruce]

so you either get something from the banner or you wasted your pulls

[amber finch]

thats why it is not recommended for players to pull unless they can hard pity

the duration is too short and the pity doesnt carry over to next patch

[storm lantern]

i mean idk why you wouldn't restart, atp its better to make a new account and waste a bunch of xtals on starter supply if you really want to

[hardy lintel]

if i decided to u know, go meta with a new acc, what your recomendations?

[amber finch]

dont want to waste his songque

[storm lantern]

not that songque does literally anything

[hardy lintel]

im close getting songque skin and if i do id be happy :>

[storm lantern]

you can get it on a new account

[amber finch]

if you want to be optimized then reroll for HLE (hi love elf, glossary in pins), if not then save and pull for HLE
disclaimer: weapon is not negotiable, it's a must pull if you're pulling the valk that uses it

hle loses 30-40% of her dps capabilities and this is assuming you have her most optimal teams on a very neutral weather

without weapon^

[hardy lintel]

yeah if i got her rn i think her dps gonna be in the negatives >->"

[amber finch]

you cant even get her if you want to on your acc right now

if you want to go meta then just ask us and we'll guide you

if not then you can just chill and play however ya want to

im a casual player too (it just that i lucksacc everything and i spend money so im more than qualified to compete in the highest abyss rank possible for level 81+ players)

i still do random stuffs that i like tho

[storm lantern]

like vbs dps right

[amber finch]

but i dont dump crystals into random banners that i cant guarantee so theres that

[amber finch]

im not a fucking masochist

da dps

[hardy lintel]

my first genshin acc i threw everything into permanet one, never again

[storm lantern]

my first hi3 acc i threw everything into starter banner like 1 day before i joined the discord so i just made a new account

[hardy lintel]

OMG THAT WAS MEEE

[amber finch]

its pretty easy to be a casual player, just be meta and pull for a good team then you can start to derail from the meta path and start to kinda do whatever you want

[storm lantern]

i mean

[hardy lintel]

that how i got Seelee hercher form :>

[amber finch]

i got s1 0/4 da when i first joined and then i left for 3 years

[storm lantern]

just be a casual player and either save or pull for meta + your favs

[hardy lintel]

ok

[amber finch]

saving is too big of a concept for most casuals smh

[storm lantern]

just dont waste xtals on banners you barely care about

[hardy lintel]

not it, then ill try get sparkle and save up then :p, sparkle is a support no

[amber finch]

im just recommending abt getting an actual team first so you can actually have a stable crystals income for atleast 5-6 patches

[amber finch]

all p2 base S ranks are both a dps and support

also i dont think you're making it

[reef sand]

My friend is downloading HI3 and I wanted to know what the best tips are for her. I should mention that we're not American, so it's kind of difficult to read the guides even with a translator, so I would appreciate any advice you could give my beginner friend.

[amber finch]

you have less than 2 days to cough up 26 pulls for valk and then another 60 or smt for weap

[storm lantern]

u can reroll for sprokle if u want but shes not good, especially without weapon

[hardy lintel]

what about the fire kiana?

[amber finch]

all the guides that we have are in english and this channel is predominately in english too, are you ok with that?

[hardy lintel]

do you speak spanish?

if you do i may be able to help with translation

[storm lantern]

there are channels for different languages but i'm not sure whether they give meta advice or not

[reef sand]

My friend and I are Brazilian.

[hardy lintel]

yeah cant help there sorry

[amber finch]

all im telling them is to just check pins and ask questions if needed, i dont think you'll be able to translate all the guides in time

[wicked pebble]

what to pick

[amber finch]

most of the time they either troll or just redirect them to here

[amber finch]

check pins

[hardy lintel]

hey, if im able help them with anything im morethan happy to do so :3 but ye i wouldnt even have time XD

[wicked pebble]

i dont recognise any of the names in the text

[amber finch]

there is also a glossary in pins

[reef sand]

I'm sad that there isn't even a basic Portuguese translation in the game, but I like it and this server anyway. Some Brazilian YouTube channels make videos narrating and explaining the game's story, as well as creating guides.

[amber finch]

even if there were, i would not recommend fully trusting in game guides

they are decent as a very basic foundational guide for new players and that is it

[hardy lintel]

so guys, if i wanted to restart (honestly all id loose be songque, so i think i may do so), would you advice me to delete my acc to have it link to my hoyo acc, or would there be a way to like, be able save the acc and still make a new one link to my hoyo acc

[storm lantern]

you can switch to eu

[amber finch]

you can make a salted account, it's not banned here or just switch your server to eu

or play in sea if you want to have abit of a challenge, it's not much but it's something

[wicked pebble]

how do i check who is in er atm

[amber finch]

ingame or are you asking about that egg

[wicked pebble]

for the egg

[amber finch]

again, check pins

[reef sand]

Meanwhile, I'm trying to convince my friend to join the server.

[amber finch]

i'll link it for you

[wicked pebble]

it says to pick someone who is in ER

which is why i want to know who is in ER

[amber finch]

oh so you want to use it immediately

brb lemme check the egg

[wicked pebble]

yes

i dont want to potentially wait 4ever </3

[storm lantern]

not sure why you would but sk is the most expensive to get in other ways

[amber finch]

also read better next time

these 3 are in er

[amber finch]

eh this sounds too angry from me

idk how to word it better ig

[wicked pebble]

you dont need to be rude but ok

[amber finch]

ah that was the word

[wraith brook]

why its not work?
I miss smth?

[wicked pebble]

also it doesnt actually sai that they are in ER so like

[amber finch]

she still has switch cd

fdd and hofi dont have force qte

[ancient needle]

Gotta wait it out or do WA -> evade -> QTE

[storm lantern]

turn off hofi qte

[ancient needle]

Also that, ye

[wraith brook]

Oh ok thanks

[amber finch]

hofi first then fdd btw, switch cd is shorter if you switch in a valk without qte

[wraith brook]

We need off QTE always?

[amber finch]

depends but generally yes for hofi and vbm

[outer spruce]

hofi doesn't need qte on like ever

[wraith brook]

much better thanks much

[reef sand]

Since my friend is a beginner and will have access to the beginner event, would it be worth it for her to pay that extra fee to get the Herrscher of Human and then get the Herrscher of Truth during the current event?

[glad ice]

if u meant the level rush bundle its worth for the 5400 xtal. u get hohe as a bonus

[reef sand]

That's right. And if she gets the HOHE in Level Rush, will it be worth getting the HOT instead of the HOHE in the current banner event?

[glad ice]

hotr value will increase if u already have hofi (+new dk) and hoo. at worst u will get ER growth xtal

in my opinion for a beginner it is a good thing to have more valks

especially when u get them 'free'

[ancient needle]

Yes (the acronym is HoTr btw, HoT is Herrscher of Thunder)

Getting HoHE ranks is pointless without gear

[glad ice]

gear is coming

[ancient needle]

Yes, but the question is whether she's gonna pull it

Cuz it's not a good idea atp generally speaking

[wicked pebble]

what do i pick

[glad ice]

they are all farmable
1st is fire ignite supp, 2nd is ice-all ele supp, 3rd is bleed-lightning-phys

[reef sand]

Thanks for correcting me about the acronyms, I'm still getting the hang of writing them correctly. And thanks also for the advice about Herrschers.

[ancient needle]

Kira is the best option (all of them aren't great)

[wicked pebble]

kira?

[ancient needle]

The middle one

[copper marsh]

how do i do the events.

[ancient needle]

Wdym by this question

You should have all of them unlocked atp

[copper marsh]

like are these the events

[glad ice]

[ancient needle]

Yes

Except Sim Battle

And Tactics Class

[copper marsh]

trails is an event ?

[outer spruce]

you already did 3 stages of one of the events

[ancient needle]

It advertises AOs, gear and outfits

So kind of, yes

[copper marsh]

where can i join an aramada i heard u can 255 gems per patch from it

[copper marsh]

do i get rewards from it or not ?

[glad ice]

the game should notice u everytime u log in if u dont have an armada

[ancient needle]

You do

[ancient needle]

By pressing the "Armada" button in the main menu

Just make sure it's a Tier V Armada with 100+ active players

[copper marsh]

#🇪🇺-armada-recruit

[copper marsh]

everyone there is promoting their discord servers weird.

[wet lynx]

need a little bit of help, how can i get a lot of exp fast if ive already done my daily missions?

[glad ice]

do story stages. 1st clear give 3 exp : 1 stamina spent. while other activities give 1:1

[wet lynx]

does p1 or p2 matter?

[glad ice]

pay attention to completing the side objectives for xtal as well, if u play p1

[wet lynx]

yes, i have noticed early stages have very weird objectives sometimes

[glad ice]

+5xtal each

[wet lynx]

struggled with theresa vs that one dragon (benares?) to not take 2k dmg

had to retry so many times

[glad ice]

yeah. well if u have a powerful valk(s) u can use them to 1shot the damn thing. dead boss doesnt deal dmg

[midnight kettle]

Helloo i remember there was a mode where it was like an open world and its a bit sakura themed and u could do like comission in that world that give mats i cant find it, if someone could help ?

And i dont understand how u know a stigmate is good or not

[wet lynx]

it is in the open world section, you can choose between APHO (a post-honkai odyssei), Sakura Samsara (? idont remember the proper name) and shicksal something something

[glad ice]

u need to read a stigma carefully. if it has big boost with fewer/easier requirement, its good

or u can ask here

[midnight kettle]

Like if i compare to other game, how do i see the substate

[outer spruce]

affixes are substats here

each stig only has 2 substat slots

substats aren't as important here as in other games

especially if you're in lower tiers of abyss

[hardy lintel]

Hi guys, so I ended up making a new acc na server

[radiant sierra]

How far in does #👶beginner-help go? At what point would I not be a beginner anymore?

[outer spruce]

when you know what you're doing. you could be level 88 and still be a beginner

[glad ice]

dw about the name. just a place where u can look for answers

[hardy lintel]

So as a new beginner with experience ruining acc, what your advice?

[glad ice]

new acc?

[hardy lintel]

So I'm a returnie, but my acc sucks ass and welp I'm the equivalent of a noob xd

I making new one xd

[glad ice]

yep

[outer spruce]

make sure that the starter manual is at the bottom of the screen at the bridge, that's your beginner stuff

[hardy lintel]

Got it (genuenly doesn't remember anything

[mossy void]

@spiral badge what's the difference between these two HoH weapon cause they both say flawless

[glad ice]

benediction is the name, flawless isnt

[outer spruce]

flawless is her new dkey and domain is her old outdated weapon

[glad ice]

lmao who got the idea of using flawless as name to confuse newbie

[outer spruce]

basically flawless benediction is the newer better one

[mossy void]

Ah okie

[midnight kettle]

like what i understand we can rank up in abyss and i always go up when i go back to the game but i never understand

how it properly works like teams and all

i just play random people together

[outer spruce]

the way old teams worked is that they were elemental based like the fire dps would have a team of fire supports that could boost their damage

the way teams work now is that it's based on the new astral ring system

every new character is a dps/support hybrid now. the leader is the dps and everyone else is in the team is a support

the supports need tags that make them compatible with the leader's astral ring type

they don't need to be the same astral ring type as the leader, they just need the correct tag

[midnight kettle]

Oooh oki thankss for telling me that i was also wondering

And how do you check tags ?

[outer spruce]

you can go to the valkyrie menu, if you have a part 2 character, they will have blue tags that you can press that tell you what astral ring they have and what support tags they have

the blue squares are the tags

[gray carbon]

is it worth to pull for astral ops?

[outer spruce]

not unless you plan to be a nirvana player, astral ops are unneeded. the default dreamseeker you have is good enough

[gray carbon]

OHH OKIE THANK YOU

[wet lynx]

is there any channel i could use to invite people in with my code? im 5 pulls away from elysia and very desperate lol

[outer spruce]

#invite-links-here

[wet lynx]

ty!

[hardy lintel]

so guys, as a newbie, how do i join meta/

[reef sand]

Which doll is most recommended for a beginner to pick up at Carnival Supply?

Peregrine Sword or Lone Planetfarer

[outer spruce]

Peregrine Sword

[reef sand]

For beginners, right? My friend started a few minutes ago and wanted to know which one is more valuable to her.

[outer spruce]

yes you want peregrine sword

if you can get her with the 2 free 10 pulls

carnival supply pity doesn't carry over so pulling for her after not getting her with the free pulls is not reccommended

[outer spruce]

basically you want to get enough crystals to get a new debut character and her weapon as ofen as you can almost every patch to make good teams that can handle abyss 2 times a week

[hardy lintel]

how much it be?

[outer spruce]

starter manual + story is basically what you will be doing as a beginner

[outer spruce]

hard pity is 42k

you get a discount on the first 10 pull though

[spiral badge]

@mossy void https://i.imgur.com/frK2hyw.png Seems others have already answered your question but i did specify benediction btw. When working with any name or terms, you'll prob want to find an exact match. This is an old game with many many things, and there's alot of similar overlap (e.g. Spina Astera Rita has alot of effects with astral in its names, but none of it is related to astral ring)

If you're having trouble scrolling for my past statements to you, you can quickly search them with additional filters in discord's search. For example, searching with the following will give you results of me replying or pinging you here, so you can easily dig up our past conversations that way.
in:#👶beginner-help from:sairaan mentions: chara505

[outer spruce]

also dorm supply and starter supply are bait

[hardy lintel]

Songque and Senedina are there, i want them both but know they not good, they know how to bait 😭

[outer spruce]

yeah unfortunately they're not good choices nowadays

the best bang for your buck will always be the newest valk unless stated otherwise

[hardy lintel]

Got it!

[hardy lintel]

i doubt to get lucky enough for any, but which of the 4 carnival battle suits should i use my free 20 pulls on?

[outer spruce]

there's a carnival supply guide in the pins but basically you want either Paragrine Sword or FWS Kiana

[left vale]

are weather buffs counted as independent multipliers?

[odd plume]

from what i see, no
but weather buff can be its own bracket or be added to other bracket depend on the buff

[storm lantern]

type counter isn't the rest are afaik

[glad ice]

sound reasonable. if it is then 30% * 1.2 = 36% lol

[copper marsh]

@odd plume is elysia HLE and wep rlly worth grinding like insanely to get.

like i have 17k gems rn. i dont i can make it 37k before her banners ends is she rlly that good of a starter

into the meta.

[serene crystal]

Note that she leaves in the start of december. You can just see if you get lucky while keeping 16 K in reserve for weapon, but she isn't especially useful beyond what a normal new valk is. But not getting her of course means that it will take a patch more before you have a full team.

[odd plume]

you dont really need 37k, 30~35k is usually safe enough, not counting the card

and you have to start somewhere
is she that good? about the same as other brand new valk on release for me, but she is the best target for starter now
ofc you can save for next valk too, just that you will need to wait more to get more new valk to fill the slot

if you get her now, chance are you will have a full team on 8.7
if you skip her, chance are you will have a full team on 8.7 or 8.8
depend on what 8.7 has

[copper marsh]

i see so its a matter of waiting

[limber matrix]

hiii can i ask if theres a tier list etc i cant find it and how do i get HoH signature weapon (newer one im not sure) tyy

[odd plume]

||her new gear will come after HLE banner end||

[limber matrix]

ohh ok tysmm

[cosmic iris]

how can i tell which valkyries are dps and which are support

[shadow gyro]

for part 2, all s ranks are both, their role depends on if you put them as the leader (left slot) or not (middle or right slot)

for part 1 you'll just have to read their kit or you can ask here i suppose

[shadow gyro]

leader for p2 valks means dps, other is support
although same supports can still contribute in dps

but they're still not the focus of the team

[limber matrix]

who is the best to get here?

[amber finch]

they’re are all useless btw, you only get them for their elysian realm crystals, check pins for who to prio

[daring halo]

i finished my q-manifold sinful last week and it auto upgraded to the agony difficulty, which i cant even beat stage 3 of. is there a way to decrease the difficulty?

[amber finch]

failing to clear/not doing the mode will demote you to a lower rank when it finishes finalizing

[daring halo]

dang i have to miss out on this week's rewards then 🙁

[low ridge]

What do I do I keep losing ranks idk what to do

[eternal spindle]

is bp worth it?

[proud maple]

The carnival banner doesn't share pity with other banners right?

[shadow gyro]

can you talk about the recent valks and gear they have? you may also show a rotation of your characters as well, chances you can't rotate well or don't know how to
also is there any progress you're doing to your account? like getting divine keys for atk or dorm levels?

[shadow gyro]

i suggest looking at the whaling pin for more info

[amber finch]

yes

[shadow gyro]

yes
it shares pity with itself but not others

and when it ends the pity goes away

[low ridge]

Everyone has their full set other then mad pleasure, and Hle and Paws have their weapon to level 65

I don’t really know how to do this tbh

[shadow gyro]

basically you obtain the divine keys mentioned here if they're farmable, in a free box or if a new valk you own gets a new divine key and then there's the tune button so they turn into dkeys
gene limits are buffs that you can activate for battle but you need specific divine keys for it and you need to level them up to upgrade the buffs

this is important to slowly farm up as the attack will affect your dmg

[shadow gyro]

how about dorm levels?

[low ridge]

19

[shadow gyro]

yeah you wanna level that up as well, if gives you stat boosts you need

you can slowly unlock valks from WT and asterite shop which contribute to it
check the war treasury and asterite pin to know who to get but basically you'll slowly unlock a lot of these characters to level up

and obv any new units you get counts towards it

[shadow gyro]

#💁gameplay-help message this is for divine keys

thirdly i can ask you if you know how to use your characters and if you understand the boss mechanic because that's the biggest reason a lot of people struggle to rank up in abyss properly

[low ridge]

How do I lvl it up

[shadow gyro]

you unlock more characters

ranking also counts
but only certain ranks

there's also a cap for base s ranks and a ranks but its big enough that it doesn't matter until way later on

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!faq cof

[small willow]

How to find "Covenant of Finality"

Sorry for the confusion, Captain!

Part 2 of the Main Story will unlock at level 30. Both "Covenant of Finality" and "Genealogical Seat" are part of this storyline.

Main Menu (Bridge) > Attack > Story > Extinguished Starlight and Rekindled Fire > Tides of Time gone by > Click the image to Play!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

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Just want to give the fyi for the regulars here that the cof faq has been updated.

[sweet flax]

Genealogical seat finally mentioned

[dapper rover]

im captain level 18 and the secret garden's enchantment event (where you can claim the free elysia login event) wont show up? do i need to complete any prerequisites or?

[amber finch]

you need to be level 20+

[dapper rover]

okay awesome! tysm

[ruby canyon]

What's that weapon option and where do u get it-

[haughty elbow]

if i remember correctly that was for getting helias weapon

i think its not in the game anymore

[lyric anvil]

^

[ruby canyon]

Aw balls

[formal badger]

I'm a new player
I would like your help, my username is "Rip_igniux"

[odd plume]

okay

[formal badger]

[haughty elbow]

what do u need help with

[amber finch]

so whats the matter

you need to check #rules-en on how to get a role to send images btw

[formal badger]

OK thanks

[formal badger]

I don't have a sensei

[amber finch]

oh

hm idk any na players who’s up for that rn @haughty elbow @spiral badge

[amber finch]

btw you can also just take in a random sensei, just ask questions here instead of asking them ingame

[haughty elbow]

ive maxed the shop for about a year and a half now

i can add them on another acc ig

[amber finch]

smh

[haughty elbow]

but its better to just be for someone else

[amber finch]

yeah

[haughty elbow]

i can send them my code tho

are u under lvl 26

[amber finch]

or has the returnee event

[formal badger]

Ohhh, I understand (I don't understand)

[amber finch]

tldr get someone random instead of choosing

you dont need an active sensei to be able to do your missions

[formal badger]

Please excuse my bad English

[amber finch]

if you have a question about the game then just ask questions here

[formal badger]

How do I do that?

[amber finch]

basically, you do not need to have someone make you a cadet, you can choose someone random to be your sensei

[amber finch]

friends—> sensei

the friends tab is at the bottom left of your screen

[formal badger]

I want to get Elysia, give me a short guide on how to do it.

[amber finch]

which elysia

[amber finch]

this one? just farm crystals and pull for her

[formal badger]

Do you want to be my friend?

[amber finch]

remember to get her weapon too if you want her to deal damage

[formal badger]

The new

[amber finch]

we are in different servers

[amber finch]

already answered

[amber finch]

.

[amber finch]

.

[formal badger]

Do you know where I can get quick crystals?

[amber finch]

and i dont like to friend random people on discord sorry

[formal badger]

I understand

[amber finch]

technically the quickest way possible is to just spend real life money into this game (do not do this if you’re unsure you’ll be playing it for a long time)
other than that you just do everything that gives you crystals: story, events, elysian realm, starter manual, cadet missions, qmanifold, etc

check pins for a one time crystals pin that tells you where to get them

[formal badger]

Well, that applies to all games of this type.

Okay, I'm going to farm intensely.

[amber finch]

goodluck

[formal badger]

And if I don't put money into it

I'm totally a whale in HSR and ZZZ

[formal badger]

Thank you

[haughty elbow]

what lvl are u

[formal badger]

17

[haughty elbow]

did u use a code yet

[formal badger]

No

[haughty elbow]

wanna use mine

unless ur in eu

[formal badger]

I guess that seemed fine to me.

[formal badger]

You're not going to believe me

[haughty elbow]

yeah i know

because u put both na and eu but only eu abyss

and also because na beginners dont exist

they come at most 3 times a month

[wet lynx]

do you guys think hi love elf could work with thelema? or must i really pull for badum kiana and dragon coralie..?? (im not rly a fan of coralie's design and badum kiana gives me an anneurysm gameplay wise)

[haughty elbow]

not at all
she has options but thelema is not one of them

however u can play thelema dps with hle support

[formal badger]

I've already been told about that, hahaha

[wet lynx]

well, a win is a win
2 ice baddies in a team works for me
for the last slot ill try and figure it out 😪 i assume i need a p2 valk (i also have p1 supports but they dont have astral ring so...), does the A rank coralie work?

[haughty elbow]

yes

roo valks work on every team

they just arent that good

but still compatible

[wet lynx]

got it, thank you !!

[maiden garden]

Heyyy should I S1 HLE or get another copy of her weapon or save up?

[haughty elbow]

save
ranks and syncs arent necessary

[maiden garden]

Okiee thank youu

[haughty elbow]

btw if u get another copy u get s2 not s1

u only stop at s1 if ur getting stamps

[maiden garden]

Ohhh mb

Is Herrscher of Reason still good to build?

[haughty elbow]

no

[midnight kettle]

Hey can i ask if there is a soft pity in this game too or not i have 20 remaining

[haughty elbow]

supposedly but its not much

going the full 90 is pretty common

[midnight kettle]

Oh :’)

So i have to farm the 20

And also back then i started playing when a himeko was on a banner and i got her and now shes on the « standard » is she still usefull to play i also got the chain vampiric girl after

[odd plume]

nope, seem like your account is too old now

[dusty tartan]

is it possible to finish this in 50 mins with my current progress in adventures?

[odd plume]

yes

task unlock after 1.3 or so, then just use LITE button

actually you still have lot of time

[dusty tartan]

ah ok, yeah i think i just unlocked it, it keeps saying "adventure map now closed" but maybe i can still progress?

[odd plume]

quick lite

can't pick more quest?

[dusty tartan]

yup, i was able to pick 5 and quick LTE to complete

[odd plume]

still miss 2 phase of that mission

[dusty tartan]

I got the error message each time, but didn't seem to stop anything

[odd plume]

they close OW map for 1 hour before reset iirc

[lyric anvil]

Does it close like Deep Sequence?

Interesting

[odd plume]

if you have time try to unlock the task in APHO2 fast too, it require more to unlock

[dusty tartan]

Is progressing through Adventures and doing the weeklies still useful? I'm mainly asking because I'm doing about 3 hrs of story each day so it's hard to budget time 😛

On top of doing Elysian Realm, Q-Manifold, Arena, and also started part 2 story to pick up VBm

[odd plume]

yes, it will be a good source of material and crystal occasionally

after sometime, story wont give quick crystal and exp anymore, dont really need to focus on that too much

around lv 50 is enough

[dusty tartan]

what is APHO2? tried search in the glossary wiki but it didn't come up

nevermind i found it, it's just the part 2 open world

[amber finch]

its not part 2 story for your info, apho refers to a post honkai apocalypse

2 is just the 2nd part of it

[dusty tartan]

ah got it, thanks

How should I be spending stamina if not doing the story? I do all the dailies in material events and have 180-200 stamina left

[shell basin]

Grinding for fragments in expeditions

[odd plume]

you still do story, just not the main focus after lv 50 or so

dont need to do it 3 hours a day

[shell basin]

The 12 stamina ones are best, think yamabuki Accepitor Bladestrike Ranger night squire

[odd plume]

you should focus a bit more on OW task after that

[shell basin]

Oh yeah open world too

Especially early on

Fragments are just anything you can’t spend somewhere else

Open world much higher priority

[odd plume]

what you can expect at high adventure lv

[lyric anvil]

Pure AE

[odd plume]

there's this but very rare

[lyric anvil]

[amber finch]

what in the quadruple

[odd plume]

and your sensei mission require adventure lv 20 too iirc

[lyric anvil]

Lvl 12

[odd plume]

dont really need to focus on the OW itself, just unlock the task and do all of it is enough

[dusty tartan]

So instead of using most of my stamina on story, I could also be doing these expeditions? I like the story but doing ~15 story missions a day isn't sustainable lol

[lyric anvil]

Burn out also happens when doing story

[dusty tartan]

yeah I'm 65 now, started 2 weeks ago

[odd plume]

do 3 story stage for daily mission, spend the rest on OW task, you can do task on all 4 OW at once for 2 week after it unlock
that will be 4x5= 20 task every 2 or 3 days, need lot of stam

can spend extra on expedition

[dusty tartan]

by OW tasks, that is part of Adventures right?

[odd plume]

if you still need quick crystal, can do more story

OW task is this, you get it in all 4 OW

[dusty tartan]

ok so what I just did, ok that makes sense

I'll prioritize progressing through APHO then. What about the part 2 story? Are there any tasks that unlock there, or should I just take my time going through all of part 1 story?

[odd plume]

no task in p2 like OW
p2 story does have good stuffs like prism and crystal but it take a bit too long and almost no exp, p1 still faster, just remember to do newest story event for extra reward

[dusty tartan]

ok ty

[odd plume]

but after chapter 24 or so, p1 will take about as long as p2, so you can choose between them if you want

[dusty tartan]

last question, is there a guide (which isn't outdated) on what to farm from expeditions for a new player? I checked !faq expeditions but the response is very brief.

[odd plume]

i think you will get different answer depend on who you ask

[dusty tartan]

i love how the story pacing in part 1 has been so much better than the other "big" gachas

[odd plume]

but you mostly just farm fragment or AE imaginon from expeditions

when i was a beginner, i like to farm AE imaginon more cause it's a bit more versatile
but other player want fragment more for dorm buff

i guess if you feel like you are having enough material, can farm fragment first

[dusty tartan]

that make sense, tyvm for your help again

[tall flax]

this is terrible, im in last place

[abstract sequoia]

understandable if no vita

[tall flax]

i dont have vita yea

[meager dagger]

Just pulled the new elysia is she good?

[odd plume]

best target for this patch

with her weapon

[frail parcel]

Guys, is thelema still worth it to invest in? or shld I just get my badum's stigmata first (foundry)

[serene crystal]

I would not recommend getting either characters weapon and MPS has basically no use case without weapon while FWS can still support so I would go for FWS if you have a place where she is useful as support.

[frail parcel]

Oo i see, thank you

[crystal hearth]

which one do i go for?

[serene crystal]

No reason to choose right away as all option here give you 10 extra global attack. Star of Eden is the only one which is not available in reserve works but else there is no practical difference.

[crystal hearth]

okay okay thank youu

[wicked pebble]

shes good right

[copper marsh]

PORBABALY THE BEST CHARCHTER TP PULL. as a sttarter lol

[wicked pebble]

is she

i just needed toi do the dixcount 10 pull

[serene crystal]

Not really anymore, but has some value as support for SD valks for LoA teams definitely not recommended to pull for her.

For a new accout she is mainly ER crystals.
Also if you want to do Abyss you should also get HLE's weapon as she can't retain on her weathers without it.

[unreal edge]

Hi! I got her skin from spending event. Now I'm wondering if I can get her in any time since I don't have enough crystals and don't want to spend on the Starter's banner...

[serene crystal]

Not very likely next option is probably going to be from Battle pass and you are unlikely to get much value from her.

[unreal edge]

Also she's extremely adorable, I like her story and appearance, just will wait for someday she'll be available

[copper marsh]

NO SHE'S KINDA MID HLE IS BETTER.

which one of these should i claim.

[unreal edge]

I'm an f2p by far since I already have Genshin to donate into

[serene crystal]

Then I would forget about JDS if you want to do Abyss as you can only afford one valk + wep each patch and the value from on patch valk is a lot higher

[unreal edge]

I like Kira, but Griseo would be nice too for physical teams. AI chan's not very strong I believe since she's much older than others and we already have better elemental supports

[serene crystal]

All are available from Asterite shop and see no use in modern teams.

[unreal edge]

Yeah, I believe that's it. But honestly I liked ||new Rita|| much more so I'm gonna wait for the New Year and save a lot of crystals to get her early

[serene crystal]

Also spoiler tag CN news

[copper marsh]

i lowkey alrdy have a team to support eyysia, im using hohe tERMIANL and pardofilies its a cope team obv since im a starter who is saying up. is it reconmended to get the ice support and switch here or just get the phy one ?

[unreal edge]

Is that a spoiler? SOrry, I just watched a video on youtube. THought she's officially announced

[crystal hearth]

now where is this from

[copper marsh]

its from the starter manual

[unreal edge]

I believe you better put free Coralie in place of Prometheus. She had Astral ring that synergizes with new Elysia

Coralie is obtainable through Pt2 Ch1 story with her weapon

[copper marsh]

uh i see so who do i get in the end of the day. there

till i get the free coralie

[serene crystal]

They are talking about HoHe without her dkey you don't use VBm there.
Jade Knight from starter manual is probably the better option https://imgur.com/a/w4dwKkf

[unreal edge]

HoHe with DKey? Wow, is it even obtainable now?

[copper marsh]

i dont have her key.

hohe wise i only have a basic wep on her.

[serene crystal]

I said without

[copper marsh]

her key can be an amazing suppport right ?

with the newer astral mechanics

[odd plume]

you can try, i dont expect much tho

actually mango tested them iirc, RC seem to be the better choice

[copper marsh]

can u guide me to that. please

[kind cliff]

Including the free stuff, can f2p players (or monthly xtal buyers) guarantee a valk every patch now with the extended patches?

[odd plume]

JK may give more buff but she can't keep up with long fight, which you should be doing a lot with cope team

[serene crystal]

#👶beginner-help message @copper marsh

[unreal edge]

Is this team really strong? My current phys team: Starry Impression, Terminal Aide, and Sweet 'n' Spicy