👶beginner-help

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

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@glad coral check out the last link here to get a better understanding how team building works nowadays

[dry python]

False, horb weapon doesn't start with key

[sweet flax]

"all part 1 herrscher weapons" better?

and no im not counting 1.5 with part 1

[cinder peak]

who was released in 1.5?

[sweet flax]

dw, kira, horb, mmg, lv, ce, fov

basically the units from after part 1 story finished up till part 2

[upper laurel]

im confused. are these not expeditions? they're under the menu called "Expeditions"

[sweet flax]

go to dorm expiditions and complete them there

[upper laurel]

oh

[sweet flax]

but to have it in dorm you need to complete the expidtion itself, so it wasnt a waste

[quartz meteor]

What are the affinities for hle and horb?

[cold niche]

what are the stigma refinements you want for hle?

[quartz meteor]

Her sig? Yeah I mean affix

[upper oracle]

whats the priority for spending event shop

[outer spruce]

Atk, Sd Atk, Archer Atk

[sweet flax]

are you done pulling or still plan on pulling

[viscid thistle]

Just downloaded hi3 (totally not 7 years late), anyone that wants to share one of these invite codes?

[quartz meteor]

Horb is also just atk?

[upper oracle]

still pulling for horb weap

[sweet flax]

ask again when you have a final count for your tickets

[outer spruce]

yeah, Psy Atk, Scythe Atk

[upper oracle]

o ok

[sweet flax]

207682567CF

[quartz meteor]

#invite-links-here

[ancient needle]

No, she wants some CDM too afaik

[sweet flax]

4 atk 2 cdmg rolls then?

[upper laurel]

oh yeah. invite code. what is that

[ancient needle]

@quartz meteor both ATK and CDM are good, just keep high lines of whatever you get

[ancient needle]

For HoRb

[sweet flax]

newer players/returnees can put a code from another player that gives both of them rewards

[upper laurel]

should probably do that huh

[sweet flax]

as long as you are under lvl 26 as a newer player then ye

[upper laurel]

oh

[somber fable]

only physical use crit right?

[sweet flax]

bruv I just gave him my code 😭 please dont deny me this

[upper laurel]

well, im not that

[sweet flax]

ye for some reason its level gated lol

[upper laurel]

thats cool, love that for me

totally fair and reasonable.

[sweet flax]

yes, elemental damage cant crit

and due to how the shitty crit formula is calculated, crit rate affixes are useless

[somber fable]

srsly?

[viscid thistle]

Entered, thanks!

[sweet flax]

[somber fable]

thats crazy

the game isnt dying right?

[outer spruce]

no

[sweet flax]

depends on your definition of dying

[somber fable]

player count decreasing rapidly

[maiden garden]

Can you enter multiple?

[sweet flax]

just 1

[sweet flax]

definitely not rapidly, this channel alone proves that there is still a large amount of players coming to the game

[somber fable]

i really want it to be more famous because out of genshin hsr zzz wuwa tof and pgr which all i played this game has been so fun and refreshing to come back to which isnt the experience i had or have with some of the other games.

[maiden garden]

Tbh I just came for part 1 story but designs like paws and fdd have made me wanna do part 2 story too

[sweet flax]

funnily enough a lot of people hated paws and fdd designs xd

[sweet flax]

without getting too off topic, each of these games has their own target audience, hi3's target audience is not as common as compared to when the game first released a couple of years ago

[maiden garden]

It's a bit selfish but Tbh I want it to remain as it is
I have seen countless of my fav franachises get popular and then the community turns into a mess and then i lose interest

[maiden garden]

Oh lol well I was kinda one of em too
But their designs have grown a lot on me

I wanna see how they went from their a rank counterparts to these strong transformations

[somber fable]

i dont really care if more people play it i just dont want it to die

[spiral badge]

this is very substantial discussion but it's because it sounds so substantial and much more left to go that i'm going to urge you all to move to #🎮honkai-chat or try to wrap it up soon

[sweet flax]

lets end the discussion here as its getting off topic

[spiral badge]

sorry but we do we want to keep this channel open and ready for any questions

[sweet flax]

oh sairaan already wrote

[maiden garden]

War treasury, with the ancient legacy

All battlesuits are outdated now right?

[tall flax]

I need help fighting Otto with HLE, HoRb, Vbdd

[spiral badge]

i hate to be that guy but yeah sorry

[spiral badge]

Yes unless you really want to consider very niche MA strats or powercreeped but still viable SS MA strats

[sweet flax]

yes, their main use is for dorm level bonuses

[maiden garden]

I also can't get good scores on him, with my hov 😭

Guess not having units and the ones I have not being built really hurts

[outer spruce]

and to use some of them in er

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ER unlocks for permanent crystals
stress test
dorm passive bonuses
SS rank for dorm errands

MA really isn't that important

[maiden garden]

I see

[spiral badge]

if you look at the rewards from ranking well it's just more AW... which is just for the more outdated valks (or you can get excess fragments for pure witch orbs more inefficient rates but more exclusive stuff)

the main rewards of interest are challenge rewards which is simply from clearing each boss/difficulty

[maiden garden]

Yea i saw

[spiral badge]

100 crystals and source prism are the main things

later on when you reach cap lv 81+ then each SSS boss there gives 20 crystals each (2 a week so that's 40) but as long as you're keeping up with most new releases you'll be fine on that

[maiden garden]

Kinda sad i wasn't playing when triple herrscher team was very good

All their designs are so great

[maiden garden]

I seee

Ig there's some time for that for me

[spiral badge]

every valk has their own meta time so appreciate it when you can, but also don't let met keep you from appreciating further too

[maiden garden]

True

Im still gonna collect as many Kiana as I can haha

[spiral badge]

there's a few ways to appreciate older valks, especially in ER but also

some people have taken it upon themselves to play with the older valks in abyss and MA anyway for funsies

[tall flax]

this is my Phase 1 setup

sorry wrong one

[maiden garden]

Idk if I'm good enough or dedicated enough for that haha

I'll just look at em in my inventory and be happy :()

[spiral badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoQL3Ghr1hs you might want to consider ely on mobius

but note MA strategies are very precise. Don't expect a similar score if your set up or execution deviates

[tall flax]

i already used PS, Badum, HoHE on Mobius

[spiral badge]

or in the tutorial if you don't own them yet but yeah that's fine too

[spiral badge]

ah ok then

[spiral badge]

i'm going to be honest, i haven't done much playing of the new valks and weaps this patch yet so i can't help here and someone else will have to. Sorry.

[maiden garden]

I tried ely helia coraile on my bracket and the boss just died before I got my astral ring 😭

Maybe there's some ways to get it faster but the way I was spamming it wasn't it

I gotta check out the guides you had linked

[fluid grove]

sorry this might be a really stupid question but how do i level up my familiar or whatever for open world quests? i went to operation and researched everything i could but shes still lvl 7

[spiral badge]

maybe go to the trial stage if you really need a testing dummy to get used to HLE's full rotation (ofc it won't match but it's at least to give you a better idea)

eventually you will want to understand the purpose of every action you're doing or can opt to add in or remove. Optimization in HI3 is a matter of finding a "best fit" for the enemy's hp bar

[outer spruce]

why aren't you doing the sumeru sunlight mechanic?

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and hi3 spices this up with the disturbance temperature system, which is a numerical measure in the top right of the abyss menu, and constantly scales bosses differently (usually higher with time). This way, no repeated cycle is truly the same (unless we somehow get the same dist. it's prob happened before)

[tall flax]

idek what that is

[shadow gyro]

i belive u need to explore the map and get exp from there

[outer spruce]

dodge his attacks and hit him back 3 times to lower his defense for phase 1

[maiden garden]

Thx for the help
Cya later if I need more help 😭

[spiral badge]

oh ok. I was gonna say you're free to show what you're currently doing on the current abyss fight and we can help with optimizing it if you want

well i prob can't since i don't actually know hle but others here prob can

[spiral badge]

the ingame descriptions in the MA menu should tell you

[long snow]

is hle, badum and new sushang a good team?

[glad coral]

tysm

[spiral badge]

if you have any questions or anything you didn't understand feel free to ask

[glad coral]

ty

[spiral badge]

yes that works, assuming HLE is leader

do you have any questions about understanding how that is?

[long snow]

yeah she is! thank you i dont really know which p2 characters work well with eachother thats why im asking

[spiral badge]

we can talk about that

[fluid grove]

oh ok thank you

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!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

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you can check the last link here

[long snow]

oki thank you!

[maiden garden]

Well I'll focus on lvling up the skills for now

I think that's smth I need to do first
I would also get ely weapon by that time so would help my runs a lot

[long snow]

tbf i jus add anyone to the team who activates the astral ring

[spiral badge]

the game does auto set usable valks at the top once you pick a leader so that's why that works

but it's not perfect

it would include not so preferred RoO valks without the matching tag (like VBm coralie)

[sweet flax]

sairaan, are you familiar with what none paws team works best this abyss

[spiral badge]

and in finer or more specific sitautions you may not want to rely blindly on that system but pick something more specific

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what none?

oh wait i read that weirdly

[sweet flax]

as in hle fdd + _

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lack of paws

[sweet flax]

mhmm

[glad coral]

so if im gonna be using horb and hle, the third character i should be using any character i have from here?

[spiral badge]

...what even is this abyss. Is this symphony hellmaru

[sweet flax]

yep

[sweet flax]

if hle is the leader, yes
if horb is the leader she needs units witrh domain resonance tag

[long snow]

oh okay, i understand. also i remember that we are getting 20 pulls for the carnival baner if i remember correctly. whos the best option to pull on? i wont keep pulling on it if i wont get the character, but if anything yeah whos good

[glad coral]

oh i see thanks

[spiral badge]

it might depend on your account but loosely speaking i would mainly consider PS and FWS

[sweet flax]

preferably fws or ps (whichever you lack)

[spiral badge]

leaning more towards PS personally but it's more debatable

[long snow]

from p2 i only have badum, sushang, hle and i have hohe with her dkey full gear

[spiral badge]

i think last time it was around people went as far as Thele dps with HFi support, which is fine since WoD doesn't suffer as much without a matching tag.

but anyway my main advice is to start from what ice P2 valks you have

[sweet flax]

oh it was hofi not lantern?

[spiral badge]

well lantern is better if they have it

but people didn't

[glad coral]

thats unfortunate

[spiral badge]

my point is the symphony bonus is pretty huge so you prob want to make sure you get it, but also newer ring types suffer more without the tags so idk

[glad coral]

any recommendation on who i should get for 3rd member if i want to play domain resonance?

[sweet flax]

well I tried this, but due to lack of materials my weapon couldnt be leveled more and im losing score :|

I also have thel and hohe dkey (as well as serapeum if it matters)

[spiral badge]

who's the leader? Prioritie your gacha valks over your farmable ones. So drop VBm and VBs.

[sweet flax]

horb sena vbm/hle

[spiral badge]

maybe try thele first.

Maybe you can try and see if HLE with one sym (maybe vita last slot???) can be better too but i highly doubt it.

this is definitely territory where you're kinda playtesting to find out

[glad coral]

id like to use horb as leader
yea i was asking who to get as in who to gamble for

[sweet flax]

thel vita lantern ended up scoring lower, I dont think thel would work but im down to try again with hofi
so fdd + vita supports for hle?

[spiral badge]

if you already have hle and horb stuff from this patch, we're really not going to recommend you to roll more in gachas (aside from the free carnival rolls later)

just save for next new release

[glad coral]

i see thanks

[glad coral]

oh alright

ty all for help

[spiral badge]

i'm surprised to hear that tbh. Try sena instad of vita though.

HoFi was more for those who lacked lantern but lantern should be better otherwise.

[sweet flax]

I thought s2 vita would be preferred over sena, I mean I could try though

[upper laurel]

Wait, why cant I use the love elf in the story missions?

[slim blaze]

classic

[spiral badge]

oh so for early story in part 1, the game doesn't let you use astral ring (part 2) valks. I don't really have an explanation why. (possible system conflicts/bugs???)

[upper laurel]

can you not use any part 2 characters at all during the part 1 story?

yeah thats fuckin weird, alright, ty sairaan

[slim blaze]

smol indie company

[spiral badge]

but early story should be very managable with barebones f2p valks

so bring out an hov dps, pardo dps, swallowtail seele dps, etc

not all together although that's fine too if you want lol

[long snow]

and also you mostly get trial valks as well

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or just bring your best cheer squad

[slim blaze]

DB dps

[spiral badge]

yeah that's for later. I think we told aretha that already

[tall flax]

you cant use p1 characters on part 2 story so it cancels out

[spiral badge]

that's a bit more understandable since it'll be weird if you suddenly get to stellar outburst with them lol

or jump with the non jumpable ones

https://i.imgur.com/WlY2tZY.png

if you want to say they could just make it so those valks can't start outburst like hoo or hotr in an hofi team, then you got me there.

[left vale]

best team for this abyss?

FDD + PAWS or FDD + someone else?

[upbeat egret]

Yes

[left vale]

which

[upbeat egret]

Ely fdd paws

[left vale]

alr

thought so since nothing else maxes weather buff but wanted to make sure badum/hohe buffs/damage didnt overpower weather buff

[spiral badge]

usually everything that matches is pretty close

[tall flax]

oh right this weather is symphony... does physical count as a 3rd element?

[left vale]

no

[outer spruce]

nope

[spiral badge]

but yeah fair enough for you to double check

have you searched any ref yet styxx

because they're definitely out there already

[tall flax]

eww so you pretty much lose if you dont have PAWS

[upbeat egret]

Not really

[left vale]

if physical counted there may be a chance my queen horb was best

[left vale]

im in RL so i already know i'll T1

or at the very least T3

[tall flax]

i guess i can bring a Luna as a placeholder

HLE, Badum, Luna

[spiral badge]

any elaboration on this?

we're speaking generally right?

[left vale]

yeah this would not work whatsoever lol

just use corAlie

or you can use horb

since you returned for horb im hoping that means you have her new gear 4/4

[tall flax]

i do

[left vale]

HLE + badum + HoRb should be your best bet then assuming you dont have hohe paws or fdd

[upbeat egret]

If u compare ely fdd paws team vs ely badum paws ....there is like 20 points difference

[left vale]

oh or PS

[left vale]

well thats because you removed FDD

how much worse is FDD + badum

[spiral badge]

yeah... and 20 points is pretty close in the case of RL retain. We're in beginner help right?

[tall flax]

what would be the best 3rd support assuming not PAWS or BFDD

[left vale]

i guess badum or PS

[spiral badge]

if you want to be sweaty and talk nirv comparisons i will acknowledge there's much less flexibility there

[left vale]

maybe hohe if her damage can mean something here

[upbeat egret]

Close for me was something like 5 points difference but well

[spiral badge]

i loosely think as long as the tag matches damage in most cases are within 10%, which is still an amount that can matter in finer or higher cases but for general intents and purposes, is within margin of being good enough

ok i think i understand where you're coming from then and we're just speaking with different objectives

but my greater point is that lesser difference isn't really going to outvalue the weather bonus

there's more i can say too. Damage and percentages definitely aren't everything.

[tall flax]

this is not good for Agony i think

okay this is the best i can do

idk if SS Teri or 4* Kiana is better for this team

[sweet flax]

what are you getting out of teri outside initial ari

[upbeat egret]

Better use ds

[sweet flax]

or ely elf if you have that

[tall flax]

12% more elemental dmg and 5% more total dmg at SO

[ancient needle]

Teri is a lot worse damage-wise

[sweet flax]

dreamseeker has 12% total dmg and a higher vulnerability debuff, so it ends up being a bigger buff in the end if im not mistaken

[ancient needle]

Use her only if the initial ARI actually matters that much

And it shouldn't here

[tall flax]

well for my team i need the initial AR or i cant enter SO fast

[ancient needle]

Yes, but do you need to enter SO fast?

[tall flax]

yes?

[ancient needle]

Fair enough

[tall flax]

gonna record a run and see how i fare

[analog root]

is it always worth it to get the pri arms of weapons?

[ancient needle]

If you actually have a use for the valk the answer is "yes"

[sweet flax]

whenever possible yes, but preferably prioritise the newer pri arms

[last lion]

Should I bother with any of the ELFs in the selector box?

[tall flax]

watch this team gap me into the 900s

[upbeat egret]

1- start with badum first instead of ely
2- you don't need badum enhanced weapon ( jump+ charged attack + ultis enough )
3- u are overkilling in the end ...switch to badum +ult instead of hoh

Opener: badum jump+ Charged attack +ult -> ely(hoh) qte+ weapon activ + ult-> hle -> stuff... should be enough to clear mob phase

[quick birch]

They'll be like 30 SP short for another ult if they only do badum ult

[upbeat egret]

[last lion]

what's the priority for the Starry Wishes and Spending Event shops again?

[quick birch]

They can do hohe -> badum qte and ult ig

And just not wait for hohe finisher to be ready

[upbeat egret]

I thought ely can - 1000 sp

[quick birch]

Yeah but you need 200 SP first to cast ult

[upbeat egret]

Hmm I see

[mortal sluice]

I have a question does horb with dk have a burst mode yes or no?

Nvm I checked her thing and she doesn’t

[fallen shale]

Is there a Dkey gene limit I can get that gives me ice dmg

[storm lantern]

gtx

[fallen shale]

aight thanks

[granite reef]

can i use sushang with the new elysia?

[storm lantern]

yes

[fallen shale]

is there a situation I should use her with Sushang over FDD or PAWS?

[storm lantern]

maybe on sd weathers since i think you dont have badum but whether shes better than paws idk

and fdd you always run

[tall flax]

What if I don’t have BFDD

[upbeat egret]

For which weather and team?

[tall flax]

HLE team for any weather that uses HLE as dps

Like Synphony Hellmaru where I lack the 2 most essential support PAWS and BFDD

[upbeat egret]

Badum +sus or horb or hoh

Its depend of the boss

[quick birch]

You'd swap out paws if you encounter any heavy hitcount that paws can't clear easily

[upbeat egret]

On hellmaru ice u will play hle badum hoh for example

[tall flax]

A3 almost 500D, this is wild

[quick birch]

Idr how paws buffs compare to ps buffs so maybe even stick to ps as a standard option and swap in paws depending on the weather

[fallen shale]

also does HLE change the teams for FDD and PAWS leaders?

[upbeat egret]

On SD weather hle badum sus

[storm lantern]

can try bita dps if you have it though missing fdd is gonna hurt obviously

[fallen shale]

I know she's not compatible with PS leader

[upbeat egret]

Paws damage are better than sus damage in hle team from my experience

[storm lantern]

i doubt its better than 2 element hle

[upbeat egret]

Buffs*

[quick birch]

For FDD yes, fdd wants RoO units or paws as a support so you'd run fdd/paws/vbm. For paws DPS it's paws+fdd+HLE/ps depending on what you need

[fallen shale]

isn't FDD/PAWS/VBM the same as what I was previously running on her?

[storm lantern]

||kalpas actually, apparently running in cn now||

[quick birch]

Yeah fdd wants paws or RoO units and HLE is none of the two so your fdd team doesn't change

[fallen shale]

and for paws, the perma stay is FDD?

[upbeat egret]

Yeah

[tall flax]

Paws support RoO?

[fallen shale]

so HLE and PS would be swapping depending on context

[upbeat egret]

No

[quick birch]

No just fdd specifically, fdd and paws have passives that provide extra buffs for fdd if they're on the same team

They just wanted coralie to work with Helia and vice versa

[tall flax]

Lowley trying to make their ship canon

[fallen shale]

I respect it

[quick birch]

Yeah

For paws teams that is

[shadow tendon]

someone in my bracket has 858 pt already, with same ranks, am i cooked

[tall flax]

wow i got gapped by this

[wraith brook]

is it better spend 1 pull?

i mean here
to not loose much crystals
*sry for such stupid qeustion

[thorn ember]

is it worth coming back to an old account or should I just create a new one?
Those are my valkyries from 2nd and 1.5 or whatever part

[outer spruce]

maybe

[tall flax]

I think that account is okay, you got 2 supports for HLE

[thorn ember]

who is hle?

[tall flax]

The new Elysia

[thorn ember]

ooh

are they already outdated?

[tall flax]

It’s the first 2 characters, hasn’t been 3 Patches old

[thorn ember]

how much time do i have before they become useless?

[shadow tendon]

hi, i got like 850, started other stage, quit and saw this person with 858 and gave up

[tall flax]

When we move away from the current AR which is GoI, but even then they can still be used until another unit powercreeps them

[outer spruce]

nah don't give up

[tall flax]

So I’d say indefinite

[thorn ember]

so sorry again, what are AR and Gol?

[quick birch]

Valks usually have ~2 years until they are straight up replaced maybe even longer with longer patches now

[shadow tendon]

also why is it every time i mention my bracket rankings i get sniped in this channel, how does this happen so often, does everyone just stalk the discord?!

[quick birch]

Astral ring and GoI is grail of infinitude a astral ring type

[outer spruce]

nah i just help sometimes

[shadow tendon]

ill try again later if im gonna get knocked out

[quick birch]

It's all related to p2 team building so check out the team building guide at the bottom of the FAQ if you don't know how it works

[thorn ember]

aah and how much can i get as an f2p one version?

[tall flax]

This patch according to Marisa, like 22k

[thorn ember]

is that enough for a Valk and Weapon?

[quick birch]

~20k is a reasonable amount but if you have a lot of one time crystal sources left you can farm a lot more than that

[quartz meteor]

It's so costly. I burnt all my asterites. Anyway when will they rerun thelema bikini. I missed the last patch event

[quick birch]

!FAQ rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[tall flax]

For F2p it’s every other patch that they can get enough for a valk and weapon

Average case

[thorn ember]

are valks still useless without weapons?

[tall flax]

Yes

[quick birch]

As you can see not really, we also get quite a few freebies this patch so try to farm as much crystals as you can. Check crystal sources in pins if you have no idea where to get some

[tall flax]

Safe to assume you can get a full valk and weapon once every 3 patches if you unlucky like me

[fallen shale]

I have PS, PAWS, FDD and HLE, what should I run on the current memorial arena

[thorn ember]

i think i remember roughly that it was abyss and events

And is Elysia out yet?

[fallen shale]

yes

I have her right here lol

[quick birch]

If you're not sure if you can farm enough for HLE you can also keep how much you need to guarantee a weapon as crystals and spend any pulls above that amount on HLE so that you can guarantee her weapon the moment you get HLE

[quartz meteor]

Average 78, soft pity 106, worst 150

Hmm

[tall flax]

This could be you when you get her minus the Teri

[thorn ember]

what about back pulling?

[tall flax]

Not recommended

[fallen shale]

pulling elysia left me kinda broke is that ok

[thorn ember]

I think I should have some crystals left after I quit

[quick birch]

Those are crystal sources that'll refresh, I'm referring to one time crystal sources like story, expeditions or shallow sequence for those check crystal sources in pins

[thorn ember]

aah okok

[upbeat egret]

Do u have trio?

[fallen shale]

what's that

[quick birch]

Generally still not recommended though if you're not meta oriented it's really up to you

!FAQ backpull

[small willow]

What is 'Backpulling'?

Captain! Ai-chan can help!

'Backpulling' refers to pulling a Valkyrie or her equipment (or both!) on a rerun instead of on her release.

For more information on why this is considered damaging to an account for Captains who want to pursue meta in the game, click [here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[quick birch]

Give this a read for why it's not recommended

[thorn ember]

yeah yeah I remember, you ruin your account basically

[fallen shale]

I don't see trio in the glossary

[storm lantern]

hofi hoo hotr

[fallen shale]

no no and no

[thorn ember]

What are the outfits tho? I think dog girl's is free and Kiana's is pyramid, right?

[fallen shale]

I do have the means to obtain hofi tho

[wispy aurora]

With the Carnival supply coming out which one would be better to try and S2?

[storm lantern]

its not really account bricking, it's just a suboptimal use of xtals so why recommend it

[quick birch]

You're not expected to get every character so yeah, you'll have to see how much you can get until the next patch and then evaluate if you can afford 8.6

[upbeat egret]

S2 vita

[fallen shale]

am I already on good pace having obtained four characters in a row?

[storm lantern]

if you have a non-meta reason to want a valk that debuted recently its fine

[quick birch]

Yeah

[wispy aurora]

Gotcha

[fallen shale]

is trio good for memorial arena or something

[upbeat egret]

Is a good option again False God otto if no dudu

[fallen shale]

well I have neither lol

me new I started at PS banner

[wispy aurora]

Brute forcing from the sounds of it

[fallen shale]

who should I brute force with then

it says physical up should I throw PS at him

[thorn ember]

oh also are the p1 valks are all useless?

[sweet flax]

majority are, a few niche amount of them are very limited in appearences

[wispy aurora]

Possibly?

[sweet flax]

you'd want ps for the hitcount in mobius

[fallen shale]

oh

[sweet flax]

do you have all units since ps?

[fallen shale]

yes

PS, PAWS, FDD and HLE (as of 5 minutes ago)

[wispy aurora]

Oh yeah, forgot as I haven't done mine yet

[thorn ember]

who are the niche amount?

[fallen shale]

I did get HLE on release but didn't get her weapon until today

technically broke the pulling rules but I did know I had enough unclaimed one time crystal sources to get her weapon anyway >.>

[sweet flax]

trio (hofi dkey)
hohe (her dkey)
horb (her dkey
fov (starless rimestar which appears once a blue moon)
lv (tribunal which appears once a blue moon)
dw (summon aponia which appears once a blue moon)

[thorn ember]

also pls pls pls use the ping option 🙏 i keep missing responses

[sweet flax]

sorry force of habit lol

[thorn ember]

lolol no worries

[fallen shale]

I have that problem too lol

[mental python]

Why would we ever want to disable this passive ?

And why does the passive on the right feel like a nerf ?

[thorn ember]

oh my god i font remember who those are outside of HoHe, Trio

[sweet flax]

its worth noting the only reason I mentioned those p1 units are because they got a slight weather resurgence thanks to some p2 units have compatibility with p1

[rough bramble]

so i got lucky rolling for HLE, and i have 40.5k crystals. should I roll for HoRs gear? I have her

[thorn ember]

Herb got a divine key?

[sweet flax]

although its still very unlikely you'll see them

[sweet flax]

as of yesterday yes

[thorn ember]

Also what does "starless rimestar which appears once a blue moon" mean?

[quick birch]

, the passive on the right is pretty nice though you just need enough damage to pop every critical value in their max hp state. It's nice because SD enemies take less damage in their max hp/consolated or whatever the name is state

[ancient needle]

I assume you alr got HLE's weap? In that case yes, go ahead

Btw, it's HoRb, not HoR

HoR is Herrscher of Reason

[rough bramble]

oh reason

thanks

[sweet flax]

starless (the weather which provides bonuses to non astral ring teams, notely p1 teams) rimestar (the boss)
appears once a blue moon aka you will see that weather maybe once every couple of versions if it reruns

[quick birch]

It's also always better to be able to turn something off

Better have the option to disable it then to be stuck with it no matter what

[thorn ember]

ooooh okok

[quick birch]

If you don't need to turn the passive off great just keep it active

[dull schooner]

y'all, should i pull for HrRb's divine key?

[thorn ember]

did we get any free stuff btw?

[sweet flax]

current crystal count? did you pull hle + weapon? and what rank in abyss are you

[dull schooner]

rn i have 200 crystals, still pulling for hl3 and i already got her weapon, i'll get hle in around 10 pulls so dw about it. As of rn i'm in Agony 1

[sweet flax]

do you have horb? im already inclined to tell you to skip it lol

if you dont have horb even less of a reason to get it

[dull schooner]

yeah i have her

[sweet flax]

you could try pulling for the dkey after hle pulls, but you dont really need it, do you have supports with the symbiosis tag? paws/fdd/ps/fws etc...

[mental python]

Oh I thought they took more damage while health bar was glowing… then it makes sense

[dull schooner]

absolutely not, as of rn i'm a returnee player and my P2 characters are Senadina and Sparkle

[sweet flax]

oh

[dull schooner]

and no other divine keys for Astral Ring

[sweet flax]

focus on hle pulls for now, then try for the dkey then

[sweet flax]

that's fine, you already missed a majority of the hofi dkey shill and hohe dkey was underwhelming anyways

[dull schooner]

Yeah i was talking about after my Queen Elysia

i'm gonna focus on her, then the divine keys for HeHr later

[sweet flax]

the way goi works you basically want at least 1 unit with the symbiosis tag, so quite frankly horb dkey is nearly a must for you if you have any competitive plans

[wispy aurora]

What we grabbing?

[sweet flax]

your only option seems to be elf box unless you already have some stamps and plan to rank up thel/sena?

wait that is the spending event currency right

[wispy aurora]

Oui

[sweet flax]

then ye, elf box it most likely is

[wispy aurora]

I had plans to get 2 Thelma stamps + (30 BP) = S2

No Sena at all

[sweet flax]

stamps are useless if you dont own the valk anyways

[wispy aurora]

I know hence Thelma

2 stamps + 30 from BP means I can get her S2

[dull schooner]

damn, good to know. I really like Seele, so i'm glad that i can pull for her DK without feeling bad about it

i'm both a casual and a bit competitive as well, i really want to boost my fav character as much as possible

so i can use them at their best potential

[sweet flax]

it also works the other way around hle has the world star tag, so if you wanted to run horb dps you would have a team consisting of hle and sena as her supports

[dull schooner]

SO I HAVE THE WHOLE GANG AT THE READY?

damn that's great, but i really need Sena's weapon, i don't have it rn

is there any way to get it in the future?

[sweet flax]

no need, for supportive purposes sena isnt reliant for her weapon

and to be frank, sena has no dps use cases atp outside resonance guaymas which isnt as frequent and can be cleared by hle

[dull schooner]

good, what about stigmatas, i have her full set

[sweet flax]

she has a new craftable set

[dull schooner]

i guess she got power crept

[sweet flax]

since dkey

[dull schooner]

oh, which one?

[sweet flax]

dont remember the name

can check on her weapon banner

[dull schooner]

i'm talking about senadina

[sweet flax]

oh, her stigmatas are craftable

they are called senadina helia and coralie I think

[dull schooner]

i have them already then, i was just wondering if she needed new ones

[sweet flax]

no no not at the moment at least

[dull schooner]

wonderful

[sweet flax]

she is too new for a dkey lol

[dull schooner]

yeah ig

[sweet flax]

compared to the older valks at least

[dull schooner]

i'll just farm my way to get HLE and then i'll try with HoRb's dk

[sweet flax]

honestly ive been thinking about it but not too sure, wod is a dead ring to say the least let alone her dps cases where she can fully benefit from s2

id hold onto the spending event points until you can come to a more decisive conclusion

[abstract mauve]

Hi beginner/old player from 2023 here.
Rerolled for the new Elysia and yeah what should i get from the incoming S Rank Box? HoHuman or HoTruth?

[sweet flax]

they arent gonna run away from you anytime soon

[sweet flax]

this is a fresh account yes? it makes no difference which of the 2 you pick, but you might find the beginner teams easier to use with hohe as she is more of a dps to accompany the jk you get for free in a second team with rc to also be able to secure ma crystals

also worth noting hohe has a dkey which makes her relevant for some p2 teams if you ever plan on picking it up (not worth it at this point, unless simp/whale)

[abstract mauve]

But isnt Elf Elysia a Ice DPS that is beyond HoHuman?

And isnt HoTruth a All Round Support?

[sweet flax]

hotr has no use cases outside trio which is reliant on hofi dkey to function (there's also fov, but that doesnt apply to you either and is very niche )

[storm lantern]

there are weathers where p2 hohe beats hle but afaik they haven't been run since the dkey released

[sweet flax]

could you rephrase this?

[dull schooner]

what's Fov?

[sweet flax]

fenghuang of vicissitude fu hua, glossary in pins for abbreviations

[tall flax]

Fengshuang of Veccitude or whatever, idk it’s Fu Hua

[dull schooner]

ty!

[abstract mauve]

Isnt Elf Elysia the new Meta Ice DPS
And wasnt HoHumanEgo the old?

Or is HoHE a Support?

I dont really know anything beyond Flamescion Release

[storm lantern]

shes from p2 gacha so shes both a dps and support

fine goi support quite lackluster in her other tags

[sweet flax]

hohe got a divine key which made her relevant again
yes hle is the new meta for ice dps, but what im getting at is you would have 2 teams as a beginner which would help you with ma
and if you plan on getting hohe's divine key she will be a support for your part 2 teams, however this divine key is not worth pulling at the moment and we dont know when it will rerun

so on paper, hohe has more value than hotr

[tall flax]

It’s gonna be hard making MA teams without 3 teams

[sweet flax]

hle vbm vbs
hohe/hotr jk rc
hov si ta

beginners this patch have it easy

[tall flax]

Back when I was a beginner there was no such thing as a beginner manual

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/bed-grandpa-gif-9487085887044394933

[copper pier]

will carnival pulls count towards the carnival spend?

[odd plume]

beginner dont really need 3 teams anyway, just 2 are enough for the most part

[quick birch]

Yes carnival pulls will count towards the spending event

[copper pier]

i like that you can hit the like button on the hle win screen haha

[wintry juniper]

it's part of the end screen

[wintry juniper]

back when I was a beginner, we don't even have a dorm supply

it doesn't exist yet

[copper pier]

for research sake i did hold it for like 1 minute and got no cheeve so

[wintry juniper]

it's just for fun interactions on the end screen, there's no achievement

[upper oracle]

for current abyss, is hofi dkey trio better than HLE FDD Hofi? all 4/4, no paws

[ancient needle]

idts, mf has Fire res and Ice vuln

[upper oracle]

ah damn

[ancient needle]

Oh, wait, HoFi

Surely you have smth better

...right?

[upper oracle]

uhm

[quick birch]

Tbh Hle isn't as bricked as paws without 2 symbioses chars

It's at least worth a shot

[upper oracle]

my other p2 valks include thelema, A helia, A cora

[ancient needle]

This is a DPS check cycle, might as well try both

[upper oracle]

ok

if i manage to get horb dkey would she replace hofi for hle?

[ancient needle]

Yes

[quick birch]

Yeah

[upper oracle]

okk

[ancient needle]

Also, I'd try HoO DPS as well

Same team but HoO/HoTr leader depending on ranks

[upper oracle]

the rotation wouldnt change?

[ancient needle]

If the rot didn't change it wouldn't be HoO DPS

[upper oracle]

SS HOO and S2 hotr

[ancient needle]

It's HoTr -> HoFi WA -> HoO DPS sequence

[upper oracle]

oh damn i dont evn use the combo? okok

would I astral ring at all?

[ancient needle]

You won't have it

Cuz HoO leader

[upper oracle]

oh yea

[dry star]

oh this is where you were

[upper oracle]

hi

[dry star]

did you put the new redeem codes?
KEXMVQQZLU
US4RN92X15
LOVEELF

[quick birch]

HoO still has the other ult she has in trio right ?

[upper oracle]

oh nope tyty

[ancient needle]

Yes

[upper oracle]

is there a ping for codes? i always miss them

[ancient needle]

Mostly not

[amber finch]

honestly better off just asking

[dry star]

they're supposed to be in #glb-exchange-codes but it doesn't always update

[amber finch]

the code channels were so useless that i just didnt bother with the role

[upper oracle]

ah

[amber finch]

sometimes a prof does do a “newest codes” pin

like cay with his in #🎮honkai-chat

[upper oracle]

ooh

[amber finch]

not guaranteed, like i said “sometimes”

[upper oracle]

@dry star can u be my code pinger

[dry star]

whenever I use FDD as leader, should her supports be PAWS/HLE or PAWS/PS?

[spiral badge]

oh wtf i thought cay gave up doing it

[dry star]

okay

[amber finch]

yeah he just randomly did it lmfao

[spiral badge]

the one in gameplay help is still 8.3 for crying out loud lmao

[upper oracle]

[quick birch]

You'd use fdd/paws/vbm since fdd can only be supported by RoO units or paws

[dry star]

ohhh okay thank you!

[quick birch]

She can be supported by paws because they both have passives that give fdd some buffs to compensate for the loss of paws not being RoO

[amber finch]

i almost spewed out a stupid classic ches question

[dry star]

ah I see

wait I forgot I have New and Improved Horb now as well

[quick birch]

Doesn't change anything about fdd DPS team

[dry star]

dont whale me I got her equips in 30 pulls!

[amber finch]

(fdd is a roo dps)

she wants, actually, needs roo supports

[dry star]

oh wait horb is ..WOD and another type

[ancient needle]

Nope

[quick birch]

Horb is WS

[amber finch]

and goi yeah (the sp ring)

oh wait im blind

[ancient needle]

She has Domain Resonance and Symbiosis tags

[amber finch]

sorry chat just autopiloted

[ancient needle]

Which are for WS and GoI

[dry star]

Okay I got the W right 😭 but wrong word

[amber finch]

she’s a ws dps and a goi support btw (horb)

[quick birch]

It's fine you'll get there WoD and WS are also rings you couldn't really play yet so it makes sense you mix them up

[amber finch]

btw mango, is horb actually used as a support in any goi teams

[dry star]

Also I will have enough BP balls at end of bp to 4/4 (hopefully?) a bp character, but I assume Thelema would not be worth it since I dont have her teammates

[quick birch]

Haven't had any BiS use cases yet so

[upper oracle]

hmmm 828 with trio hofi dps

ill try with hle and hoo rq

[tall flax]

So for my abyss rot? I just need to switch the order of support rotation?

[dry star]

youre so nice mango 🥹

[amber finch]

why is hoo in hle’s team

oh wait hoo dps and hle dps, 2 different teams

[ancient needle]

Meant different teams

[upper oracle]

oh i meant 2 seperate teams

[ancient needle]

Ye

[tall flax]

For the 3rd element

[amber finch]

my bad

[ancient needle]

[upper oracle]

nw

[amber finch]

no ron thats schewpid

[tall flax]

I was considering HLE Badum Luna

[ancient needle]

The issue is that Thele is niche atp

[upper oracle]

how fast is HLE in ER btw?

[tall flax]

But then I realized that I lose the 3 Symbiosis

[amber finch]

1. hoo doesnt have a dkey—> not p2
2. the symphony buff does not outweight the benefis of having an actual p2 valk that supports hle + helps with the ring type buffs

[ancient needle]

Otherwise you could pray that 8.6 can support WoD

[amber finch]

oh also whats da team

[dry star]

yeah I figure thats the case.... BP new additional units go in order of release right? so next patch would be whoever was after thelema

[amber finch]

if its something i have then i can help cook up a rot

[ancient needle]

Most likely, yeah

[tall flax]

This

[ancient needle]

And that should be Lantern

Which is even worse xdd

[dry star]

I heard she's definitely niche?

[quick birch]

Roughly, sometimes they maybe switch up chars that are like 1-2 patches a part but not much longer than that

[dry star]

yeah okay

[amber finch]

she’s dogshit

mid is complimenting her

[dry star]

[tall flax]

@amber finch

[dry star]

okay so its not just me that trial Laterns seem to do really... poor damage? 🥲

[amber finch]

kiana doesnt have any ice buffs fyi

[ancient needle]

It's not really about damage

But about coverage

[dry star]

ah I see, so her support coverage...?

[tall flax]

I just slap Random Symbiosis and pray it works

[amber finch]

and dps

basically her entire existence as a valk was gone in like 4 patches

[ancient needle]

(she still has 1-2 bosses as the DPS, but they didn't run one of them in a very long while)

[amber finch]

god no those things are horrendous

why do i have to time my auto evades and how the shotgun hits for a +50p increase

[radiant fractal]

hiii can anyone help me with pulling advice and also if its worth building some other chars on my acc
i dont care about meta that much tho i do care ab endgame a bit
i dont play much but wanna start playin more

[tall flax]

I’ll try switching out Badum for PS

Maybe I can get a faster animation

[amber finch]

before we dig in (btw send a ss of your roster + your crystals situation), what is “endgame” to you

for some its just chilling out and do events + story

for some its abyss and ma

[radiant fractal]

welll im not even much in the endgame cus im lvl 69 so i clear what i can for fun mainly installed for story tho
events r confusing tho

[dry star]

when PAWs is supporting, is her switch in rotation just weapon -> ult once then swap out?

[celest shard]

Is there a way to turn off the full screen event/story popups?

[quick birch]

If you don't swap her in via her qte yes

Otherwise qte -> ult

[amber finch]

actually, you only need her to qte in for all of her buffs to be in effect, ult for stellar drain if needed

[quick birch]

Also that ^

[amber finch]

for fast rots with overflowing dmg and ranked aops, players sometimes opt to skip the ult

[quick birch]

Though sometimes you maybe also want to use her ult for switch CD reset

[dry star]

ah got it
sorry what is stellar drain
is that when I triggered stellar outburst and its ticking down?

[radiant fractal]

I just pulled for new elysia
Only units i pulled and got was HoH and this ely
Other S ranks i have is from the shop

[amber finch]

well if thats all you do then literally just pull for whoever you want, your current goal is just enjoying the game and being casual

[radiant fractal]

Ik i just also wanna get more familiar with rhe game yk
Lot of things are still confusing

[amber finch]

story doesnt require you to pull for anyone to actually do

[tall flax]

Prolly should save for 8.6

[quick birch]

Stellar drain is referring to certain attacks that restore more Ari, you can only do it once before SO and it gets refreshed after you exit SO

[amber finch]

because you’re still pretty new

[dry star]

ohhh okay

[amber finch]

lvl 69 is like 2 weeks of semi active playing

[radiant fractal]

I wanna get horb so i was thinking of getting this new weapon
Do u know when could bwr rerun be

[amber finch]

i dont think one can learn how the entire game works in such a short time span

[quick birch]

If we want to keep it accurate you actually get a stack of stellar drain and consume it with a certain attack depending on the valk which then restores Ari but it doesn't really change it's function

[radiant fractal]

How do i know when i started my account

[dry star]

one more question
I notice that PAWs buffs dont show up as a little ticking icon on the screen like FDD's/VBM's buffs do so I was not always sure if her buffs were active

[amber finch]

dunno, ask hoyo, its up to them not us, the schedule is all over the place, usually its 1-2 patches after the debut patch

[amber finch]

ai chan phone—> login should has it

[radiant fractal]

ye i mean roughly cus idk how reruns work here

[amber finch]

sadly alot of valks do have that and all you can do is just time it yourself

[dry star]

so basically not all buffs will have on-screen timers

[amber finch]

you’ll get used to it eventually

[quick birch]

Yeah her buffs just don't have a timer sadly, just make sure her qte or ult hit an enemy and you're fine, they also refresh when you enter SO so you can kinda use coralie's buff to keep track of both. You can also use the timer in the top right to roughly see how long the buff is already active

[amber finch]

yep

[quick birch]

You will definitely notice when a valk's buff runs out though

[dry star]

oh this is a good tip thanks

[amber finch]

there are alot of hidden buffs you just dont see while doing abyss

[tall flax]

So is there a consensus on what to fix?

[amber finch]

if you’ve played for long enough then usually you’ll just know when a buff is abt to go out

doesnt apply to all rotations and teams ofc but for me its around every 2 rotations

[dry star]

[ancient needle]

For @upbeat egret it's every rot cuz no FPS

[amber finch]

yeah, hohe didnt even apply her buffs

[quick birch]

Regarding the timer the usual buff time of p2 valks is 25 secs

[quick birch]

LMAO

[dry star]

✍️

[tall flax]

I used her weapon skill

Unless that’s not the buff

[amber finch]

oh yeah, my bad, the thing was so short i just auto piloted to basic

[quick birch]

Smh

[amber finch]

anyways start with badum—> hohe qte—> hle qte

[radiant fractal]

U can see im not rlly active tho my account is older

[amber finch]

hohe as the opener is pretty weird

[amber finch]

ok

[dry star]

hoyo defiling elysia's grave by resurrecting her twice in two different games

[quick birch]

The thing is the bait has been working

[amber finch]

also hohe ult was not needed btw

[radiant fractal]

can u at least tell me when was horb last rerun please i dont remember

[amber finch]

like 1.5 years back

[radiant fractal]

holy shi

[amber finch]

she’s way too old for an actual gacha rerun now

[tall flax]

The ult was for the CD cancel

[amber finch]

badum qte was literally up wdym

[radiant fractal]

is she still usefull at least with the new weapon

[tall flax]

Figured HoHe do more dmg than Kiana

[amber finch]

current source to get her is just buying the 26 usd scam box

[amber finch]

… you need to refresh badum’s buffs

[radiant fractal]

oh

[amber finch]

ehhh she’s alright

[quick birch]

They refresh with qte ?

[amber finch]

wait am i seeing things, i just saw him hohe then hle

ok i definitely shouldnt take on 2 people at a time

[quick birch]

Oh you mean in SO ?

[amber finch]

mango help ron for me

[quick birch]

There kia buffs also last long enough

HLE SO rot is pretty short

[radiant fractal]

i might just wait till i can get HoHe new weapon bc i have the old one

[amber finch]

is this a simp reason or a meta reason?

if its meta then i’d go against it

[waxen terrace]

Should I buy this? I have thelema but I'm hesitant to buy it

[quick birch]

Generally my suggestion what to change is what asaphie suggested and then in SO do WA -> WA -> hold ult -> qte to hohe -> qte to FWS as soon as you can and ult -> go back to Hle and repeat her SO rot

[amber finch]

wait if asa already told ron then why is he bumping it again

[radiant fractal]

simp reason but also thought since its her new weapon it would make her more relevant

[amber finch]

well have you considered what the other options in the shop will bring to your account?

[quick birch]

[amber finch]

i mean its fine (talkin abt the weap, its pretty mid for most well established players if it wasnt a dkey with the +10 atk at syn1)

[waxen terrace]

Have all elf and old valks, excluding villvi
Have all p2 excluding dudu & teri

[amber finch]

@tall flax in case you missed it

[amber finch]

oh then there’s nothing else aside from mats in the shop for you (im assuming relevant elfs like kiaelf is 4*)

[waxen terrace]

Yes my kiaelf is 4* too

[radiant fractal]

ohh okeyy
also i saw this does it happen during this version? if yes do u know when (sorry if im givin too many questions)

[waxen terrace]

So it's safe to pick thel stamp?

[amber finch]

yeah unless you wanna go the maldy sweat way for affix locks then i’d just get thel stamps

[quick birch]

Should be sometime next week

For the HoHe HoTr box that is

[amber finch]

no dont be sorry, always ask if you dont know, also 31st should be the start date of that login event

[quick birch]

Idk about the other boxes

[radiant fractal]

okiii

[waxen terrace]

Who the hell bought the affix lock from spending shop

[radiant fractal]

should i get another ely or hoT i dont have her

[tall flax]

I didn’t get a clear cut answer when I posted the recording, which left me confused

[amber finch]

convenient placed calendar appears

[amber finch]

i mean both are “farmable” through bp, i’d get hohe because you just said that you’ll be getting dkey when it reruns

[radiant fractal]

okii

[tall flax]

So it’s Badum -> HoHe -> HLE -> Badum loop?

Then SO it’s the other way

[quick birch]

Idt you need to swap to badum again before you enter SO

[amber finch]

mango how to break 839 without early charging plz

[quick birch]

Dunno not in rl

[amber finch]

fork you

[tall flax]

I mean I never managed to enter SO after 1 rot

[amber finch]

i did the tech and it still got me to the same score

[tall flax]

Takes 2 to enter SO first time

[amber finch]

do you have alot of overflowing dmg

[tall flax]

I never managed to finish SO when Hellmaru died

[quick birch]

You entered SO at 00:25 so everyone's buffs should still be active

[amber finch]

might be a consideration to try teri too (unless she doesnt give goi valks the starting intensity)

[tall flax]

She doesn’t, but fortunately the starting intensity comes from the supports

Cause heavenly shift tags

[quick birch]

Meaning you can just BA and charged ult spam until you can enter SO and WA -> charged ult when WA is available

[tall flax]

Meaning I just do that as many time as the buffs allow me to until SO?

[quick birch]

Yeah and the buffs should be up long enough

[tall flax]

So no need to restart charging after the 2nd charged ult?

As in switching back to support after the 2nd charged ult

[quick birch]

Yeah

[tall flax]

Oh that’s longer than I thought

I thought I lost the buff after the 2nd

[amber finch]

ron can i ask when do you go into SO with ds

[tall flax]

I haven’t even raised DS

I use Teri or Kiana elf

[upper oracle]

is there a way to enter SO really fast with HLE? team im using is hle fdd hofi; scoring lower than trio soley due to slow SO, i only get it charged then the boss is almost dead

[amber finch]

oh then you should just stay on field with hle and keep farming til so is available no?

[amber finch]

yeah, have ss chen

[upper oracle]

[frozen crypt]

(Don't pull that)

[tall flax]

Does the buff last longer than HoTr’s breach?

[amber finch]

definitely not thx for reminding lyo i keep forgetting that

[tall flax]

That sounds way too long

[amber finch]

should be 25s

i can stream it for you

i’ll be using fdd paws tho but they both have fast support animations like hohe and badum anyways

wait i literally have hohe

[tall flax]

Do you have Badum?

[amber finch]

no lmao

if i did then this entire convo would be over pretty quick

alright get in vc

see

fdd’s buff is still up and she was the opener

[tall flax]

Wow

The field time for her is so long

[amber finch]

mainly bc i had no dmg

imma just do a normal run bc flex fr

[tall flax]

Idk how to tell if buff is up or not

[amber finch]

the lil icons above the hp bar

fyi some valks’ buffs like hohe will not show up and you’ll just have to guess

[quick birch]

You kinda just have to track it with the timer in the top right

Remember when you activated it then it will last 25 secs

[sweet flax]

or get used to the uptimes by playing the team more

[frozen crypt]

Y'all count buffs?

I just wait until I do no dmg

[amber finch]

alright thats all bai ron thx for watching

[tall flax]

Wow her ult doing 6m dmg

I think mine only did 3-4m

[amber finch]

mainly bc i have the right supports + ranked aop

[frozen crypt]

[sweet flax]

so whel

[amber finch]

shuddup 13k crystals

[radiant fractal]

where can i redeem codes

[frozen crypt]

291*

[amber finch]

“where the link”

[amber finch]

oh tap your avt and go to profile iirc

[tall flax]

Yall so whale im the only f2p here

[sweet flax]

click your profile on top left, click account put code

[radiant fractal]

thank uu

[amber finch]

!faq ches’d myself

[sweet flax]

if I ever become prof ill faq ches you

:D

[amber finch]

who knows if you stuck with your save for 10 patches thing you couldve cooked like us too

[quick birch]

Np I can do it for you

[amber finch]

shuddup

[sweet flax]

not as satisfying

[quick birch]

Woah so mean

[amber finch]

#asuprof when

[sweet flax]

when you become nirv player

[amber finch]

strongest member of honker chat fr

[amber finch]

(not me thinking of nirving this patch)

i mean, i have the right teams for the shills

[sweet flax]

you are whel, you better be in nirv or cringe

[amber finch]

most are bis with the right aops too

[amber finch]

what the fork im barely a baby goldfibsh

[sweet flax]

$300

[quick birch]

Lies

[amber finch]

???

[sweet flax]

oh was it $600

[amber finch]

stop doubling the thing

[tall flax]

Actually ima do that rn

[sweet flax]

mbmb it was $1200 I just remembered

[outer spruce]

saving till new seele?

[amber finch]

ron you’ve told me this like 4 times over the span or 7.0-8.0 whenever i ask you that

[tall flax]

Yea

This is different

[amber finch]

you said that too

this is literally 7.0 all over again

[outer spruce]

or luna dkey, whichever comes first

[amber finch]

luna dkey plz, my ss1 luna is crying

[tall flax]

7.0 don’t have part 2 back then

We won’t get part 3

[amber finch]

didnt you pull for a luna team when p2 was out

[tall flax]

No

[amber finch]

remember when people said that p1 ending is the stop of main story

[amber finch]

oh when was it

[tall flax]

I got Luna gear when P1 HoFi banner was still a thing

[amber finch]

i remember you going from no weap luna to 12/12 in no time

[outer spruce]

also got fov but the fov didn't help

[sweet flax]

dafuq wasnt expy her last banner in 6.8 or smth

[tall flax]

I backpulled

[latent pagoda]

I’m confused, if I give a person my invitation code, what do they have to do to redeem it? 😓

Is it the normal code bar in the pfp thing?

[amber finch]

BONUSES tab—> share invitation or smt around that

[sweet flax]

btw if its a new account they have to be under lvl 26, otherwise they need to be a returnee

if neither of these 2 conditions are met they cannot put other people's codes

[latent pagoda]

no they are lvl 56, I’m just wondering where do they put the codes in

[amber finch]

well unless they’re a returnee, they cant put the invite code in

[latent pagoda]

ohh okay dokay, ty

[tall flax]

If HoHE buff is hidden, will I know that buff lasts for 25 seconds

Or somehow by default, all Symbiosis Valks have 25 second buffs

Actually scrap that, HoRb buff isn’t 25 seconds when she does her QTE

It’s 13 seconds

[quick birch]

Most p2 valks buff time is 25 secs, most of the time the buff time is mentioned in their stigs

For Horb it should also be 25 as far as I know

[charred burrow]

!faq astral

[amber finch]

what you doin

ik you’re not that clueless, surely

[charred burrow]

Most mindfull player just pull new valk and look at ref

[outer spruce]

you have to be a mod or prof to use faqs

[charred burrow]

No shot we reading the weap and stig effect

[outer spruce]

you reading the leader skill too?

[charred burrow]

And yes i hab a 2100 days account

[tall flax]

!faq ring

[charred burrow]

Me pull new valk, me lvl up all skills no read

[tall flax]

Doomed

[amber finch]

les go

thats how you play like me fr #staydelusional

[tall flax]

It’s actually stronger than my LoA team but we don’t talk about that since it’s not that great

wait a min

theres no buff icon

[amber finch]

because both of them dont show it

[tall flax]

So how do I know if I did it or not

[amber finch]

hohe wa, badum qte

[tall flax]

so i did the tech but i did worse

took 5-6 Charged Ults before i got SO

[amber finch]

what tech?

[tall flax]

the HLE stay on the field forever tech

[quick birch]

Are you making sure to trigger badums and HoHe's stellar drains ?

[tall flax]

yea

[amber finch]

that aint a tech

[amber finch]

thats just doing more dmg and farming intensity because you’re super close to SO

[amber finch]

well idk how to say this, you didnt trigger hohe and badum’s stellar drains

you actually farmed up like 3 intensity with that support rot

[tall flax]

58 seconds to start SO

[amber finch]

.

because you forced hle to farm the same amount of intensity hohe and badum give with drain

it didnt take me that long to so because i used stellar drain on both fdd and hohe

so hle only had to farm like 10 intensity

[chrome star]

When are we getting the character box and free cards

[tall flax]

i dont think ill be able to consume stellar drain

hard tech

[amber finch]

here a calendar that shows the day the event starts

[amber finch]

???? what tech???

for hohe you just qte wa or if you open with her then evade hold atk wa

for badum just use the enhanced wa

[tall flax]

aight got stellar drain on both, improved my score to 872

[radiant fractal]

Ohh what r the rerun valks role n is any worth pulling

[amber finch]

all base S rank part 2 valks are both a dps and support

also no

for carvinal just use the free 20 pulls on ps

[odd plume]

rule of thumb, dont spend on rerun unless you whale

[amber finch]

checking my old messages and old me was so crin

[odd plume]

only old you?

[amber finch]

shuddup

[tall flax]

road to 900

[amber finch]

dont think you'll be able to

[storm lantern]

u were a child so u have an excuse

[amber finch]

just pure lack of dmg

oh and intensity

[digital kiln]

What aop do i use for new ely if i dont have chenxue

[amber finch]

ds

if you have 4* ely elf then that'd work too

[digital kiln]

Ds is better than the other aops?

[amber finch]

because the other aops dont support goi

ds is a generalist

she isnt the best for a specific ring type but she works with all of them

[digital kiln]

Oke thanks

[storm lantern]

songque is better than ds but u might want a different op for initial ari for specific strats

[amber finch]

huh song is better?

we're talking about S song right

[storm lantern]

shes just ds but more buffs so yeah

[tall flax]

will making my game 1000 fps will boost my abyss score?

[amber finch]

i thought she had more lightning dmg buff instead of tdm

[amber finch]

fps usually boosts your score by 1-2p

[storm lantern]

nah its ele buffs

[tall flax]

so not much

[storm lantern]

over 240? no

[amber finch]

if you had fdd paws and ss chen then its easy 900+ for you

[tall flax]

yea playing at 4k 240fps

[amber finch]

well yeah

if it gave you like a 100p edge then thats just insane from hoyo

[storm lantern]

i mean tbh the difference between 30 and 120 is pretty insane

[outer spruce]

imagine if animations were tied to framerate so 240fps just doubled the animation speed

[tall flax]

Tfw 240 fps is my norm that 120 fps feels laggy

[amber finch]

lmao

actually havent played in 30fps for 3 years now

imma try a run with it

holy shit capping it to 30fps is making my laptop go crazy

what are these lines😭

is it begging me to kill it

[shut frigate]

Anyone got any tips with final exam? I dunno the best options to choose

[amber finch]

ely or himeko, himeko is more risky but she has better aoe for early game

[amber finch]

6p diff from 30 to 60 fr

[tall flax]

I can’t enjoy 60fps

[boreal rampart]

I already pulled everything I wanted so what do I buy now with this amount? I bought some elf parts to 3* Kiana elf btw
Lowkey tempted to go for source prisms... I only have 20 and I need one more to level 50 the new horb stigs (I already used the level 50 ticket on one new Ely stig (also I'm semi competitive))

[storm lantern]

dont get source prisms you want elf frags or you can save until the shop is about to close

[boreal rampart]

What elf do I get tho?

[storm lantern]

kiaelf but no point in opening the boxes until you can get at least 3*

they might give a free elf box again

[boreal rampart]

...What if I already have that 😭

Maybe I shouldn't be asking in beginner help smh

[storm lantern]

then you get 4*

[boreal rampart]

Hmm

Ok

[amber finch]

gameplay help will just give you the same answers

it's glorified begin help

[boreal rampart]

Oh

[proper sleet]

Flawless Benediction is better the key of Ego for HoH right?

[amber finch]

yes because it turns her into a p2 valk which in turns make her (not that) relevant again

[proper sleet]

I see

[amber finch]

i'd suggest not pulling for it if it ever reruns, but if you're simping then go wild

[proper sleet]

I guess its currently unobtainable right?

[tall flax]

Think anyone in my bracket will outscore me?

[amber finch]

currently yes

[amber finch]

yeah the guy in the img you sent if he just watched one random hle ref

[tall flax]

[proper sleet]

[storm lantern]

for reference she had 1 boss as dps 1 boss as support that they actually ran and she lost her dps boss

[tall flax]

Bricked by units and not by skill

[amber finch]

and skill*

[tall flax]

Mostly units

[amber finch]

and skill*

you literally thought stellar drain was a hard tech ron

[tall flax]

I have to CA that thing

I never used CA in my life

[amber finch]

so holding atk is hard

[tall flax]

And jump

[amber finch]

imma just not

literally my fdd opening sequence was harder to achieve than your entire run and it's not that hard ron😭

its just me evading and spamming atk

[amber finch]

idk if i've already told you this