👶beginner-help

[ancient canopy]

i see

thank you gonna try to make sense of this

[wraith brook]

How i broke 2 shield?
i broke only 1 with AO.

[ancient needle]

Though Reserve Works is not being mentioned in this menu for whatever reason, keep that in mind

[ancient canopy]

yes thats whats confusing me a lot

[quick birch]

you break 1 shield per ignite stack

so fdd can only break 1 shield in total

[wraith brook]

[ancient needle]

It's originally Sirin's boss

[wraith brook]

oh ok thnaks

[ancient needle]

Which can have multiple Ignite stacks

[wraith brook]

So with FDD we can only recive that result?

[ancient needle]

Yup

[wraith brook]

Ok thanks again.

[shell basin]

Twins of Eden, might of An Atu, abyss flower, seven thunders, Fenghuang down. And then Sakura and Judah are also there but you shouldn’t get them from reserve works because they’re foundry and exchange.

[ancient needle]

Older ones are tied to events

[wraith brook]

How much point it possible do without AO?
just wonder how much i dont reach(?)

[ancient needle]

Depends on your stats ofc, but roughly speaking 810-815+

[wraith brook]

oh, so its about 20 point thanks.

[shell basin]

Depends on team and dist but I'm using FDD Paws Hofi in NA RL and I'm currently 814 but it isn't capped and my hofi isn't max

so at least that much with SS DS

[wraith brook]

HoFi better then vita?

And what is Dist?

[shell basin]

Disturbance is how tanky the boss is, different servers can have different disturbances

[ancient needle]

On this specific cycle yes

[quick birch]

if you're using SS DS yeah though i can imagine it also depends on your stats though

[wraith brook]

oh i use vita

[ancient needle]

Vita is just too slow

[ancient canopy]

is there a faq on weapon resonance farm?

[wraith brook]

guess so

[shell basin]

I don't have vita so I'm locked into hofi even if she wasnt better

[shell basin]

Universal mirage pin

[lyric anvil]

I'm forever stuck with VBm

[shell basin]

Your VBM isnt even Synergy 3 so you dont get to complain

[ancient needle]

Not forever, gotta wait for another RoO valk

[wraith brook]

so for now 794, guess i wint about 5 point with HoFi

[ancient needle]

Probs a bit more

[lyric anvil]

[shell basin]

If you have hofi you can get another 20 probably

but that will take some malding

[lyric anvil]

Ah yes another year to wait

[ancient needle]

Nah, the diff between Vita and HoFi is not that big

[quick birch]

gotta have patience yk

[wraith brook]

well, probbably just not know how to do opening and not optimistic with myself,
thank away.

[ancient needle]

RoO dkey in 8.7 trust

[shell basin]

Yes but they aren’t capped for Vita either

[wraith brook]

not with my bad hands

[lyric anvil]

For a Valk I don't have

[quick birch]

pray for valk in spending

[wraith brook]

malding?
U mean do andother opeing?

[ancient needle]

Not only

[wraith brook]

opening*

[shell basin]

Malding is trying a run over and over again until you get all the sequencing and timing right

[lyric anvil]

[ancient needle]

Optimizing around the P2 buff too, for example

[wraith brook]

What the buff?

[shell basin]

Igniting the ice crystal

[wraith brook]

oh

[ancient needle]

Igniting the hail on the ground gives you up to 3 stacks of a buff

[wraith brook]

we can do AO before it fall on ground?

[quick birch]

HoI has a specific attack where she summons ice crystals and if you destroy them with ignite attacks you gain a fire dmg buff

[ancient needle]

Yeah, and you Ignite it with the breath ideally

[quick birch]

not the crystals in transition btw

[wraith brook]

i dont see any, well only in transition

[ancient needle]

They take a while to fall down

[quick birch]

if you don't pay attention you'll kinda just miss them because coralie melts them pretty fast

[ancient needle]

Also iirc they're slowed down by TF effects, you wanna turn them off for this cycle

[wraith brook]

Im blind guess then, or just in too much rush, well i see buff, but guess still do bad timing, even if i hit any timing

[wraith brook]

There?

[ancient needle]

No

I meant Time Fracture

In valk skills

[wraith brook]

oh

sry

[dry star]

is there any way to extend FDD's AR time length or is it just a fixed duration based on the leader?

it feels kind of short so if I accidentally misclick I can't do the finalizer combo

[shell basin]

Fixed length. But you shouldn't be running out? There's enough time for two full BA->WA->ult sequences before the finisher. In fact there's enough extra that if you have the FPS you can fit a third full BA sequence

[dry star]

?!?!

[shell basin]

You can get a bit more time at the cost of damage by breath skipping

ig

[shell basin]

What are you doing in astral ring as FDD?

maybe record it? I expect you're taking too long

to click WA or ult

[dry star]

yeah let me record

ah well this example shows how if something interrupts in the middle of doing AR, then FDD runs out of time to do finisher

like litost only switched forms for like 2 seconds, but it was enough to make her be unable to do her last 3stage spiral attack and finisher

[quick birch]

If you encounter situations like that you can press ult early to end SO and get more ARI back since you don't need the DMG of her big finisher

[dry star]

oh you get refund?!

[quick birch]

Yes

[dry star]

or is it because of ss chenxue

[quick birch]

Nah she gives extra Ari on top of that lemme look up the skill rq

[dry star]

Oki I guess my question is, is this duration of AR below normal for FDD

If its normal then its no problem I just need to learn to not misclick

[ancient needle]

Whenever you finish SO early you always get partially refunded regardless of the valk and AO

[dry star]

[ancient needle]

Yes

If you mean compared to other valks

[dry star]

hoyo devs pls

cause PAWS AR is super long

[quick birch]

also that one

[dry star]

like with PAWS I have time to mess around and do multiple things in the duration if I want to
but it felt like FDD's was you only have max 2 sec of extra buffer

[jolly pulsar]

trying to push to 820, currently at 766. Should i change up my team? No PAWS

[quick birch]

what is that team

[ancient needle]

Sparkle can't support FDD

[quick birch]

get vbm in there

[dry star]

waifu team

[ancient needle]

The BiS lineup for this specific cycle would be PAWS HoFi

But in general it's Vita PAWS

Use Vita HoFi if you have that

Otherwise Vita VBm as Mango mentioned

[jolly pulsar]

is there anyone besides VBm I can use?
Also Why does VBm work but Sparkle doesnt, just wondering

oh I see HoFi

[shell basin]

VBM is ROO

[ancient needle]

Because FDD wants either PAWS or RoO valks as supps

[quick birch]

fdd has a special leader passive that specifically wants RoO units same as vita

[ancient needle]

Non-RoO valks generally don't have many buffs for rings they aren't designed to support

PAWS can support FDD cuz of the special skill PAWS has

[jolly pulsar]

oh I see
Why is the astral ring on for Sparkle then? (shiny thing in team edit screen)

[quick birch]

she also has an additional passives that gives her buffs when paws is in the team, and paws also has a passive that gives fdd additional buffs that's why she's the exception

[quick birch]

RoO leader buff only requires any unit with astral ring

[ancient needle]

Mango meant another leader skill here

[jolly pulsar]

ok ok
how would FDD Vita HoFin rotate

[dry star]

Is there a specific damage type or attack frequency that works better vs enemies with the red crystal HP bars? I can't figure out what gimmick its trying to encourage you to use (like 2nd memorial arena boss)

[outer spruce]

sd valks

[dry star]

oh okay
sorry is SD an element

[jolly pulsar]

stardust-type

[outer spruce]

type

[jolly pulsar]

like psy, bio, mech

[dry star]

oh got it I dont own any

[jolly pulsar]

whcih beginner is gonna have an SD valk tho

[ancient needle]

HoFi applies her buffs with WA, Stellar Drain is on CA (you often wanna avoid that though)
Vita does with ult, Stellar Drain is on CA as well

[lyric anvil]

CE

[jolly pulsar]

who

[dry star]

no wonder, I was like my entire roster of charas do the same thing to this crystal hp bar

[ancient needle]

(too ass btw, just bruteforce)

[jolly pulsar]

is going

to invest in potential man

[ancient needle]

You apply buffs and then keep DPSing on FDD until you SO or until you need to reapply them

[dry star]

who's CE

[storm lantern]

there's a tutorial for sd enemies play that

[ancient needle]

In SO you just stay on FDD for the entire duration

[outer spruce]

big griseo

[quick birch]

the boss is still bruteforcable, SD valks just make it easier because they have, type advantage, shard collection and often a specific gimmick like popping critical values or reducing the max HP

[ancient needle]

[dry star]

ok Ill look for it after this 🫡

[ancient needle]

!faq glossary

[small willow]

Glossary of Terms

There are so many abbreviations, Captain! What do they mean?

Use CTRL + F or 'Find in Page' to quick search abbreviations in the Glossary of Terms: e.g., ' RC ' (the spaces help!)

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary_of_Terms

Still not sure? [Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Visual Guide for using the Glossary (applies to both PC and Mobile).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[jolly pulsar]

(yes you should check glossary)

[lyric anvil]

[dry star]

ahhh I see thanks
yeah Ive been brute forcing these types of bosses previously, I was just thinking surely there is a faster way

[jolly pulsar]

yeah the last SD valk came I think 5 months ago?

[ancient needle]

In 8.1

So yeah, sounds right

[jolly pulsar]

oh ok, so just kinda bruteforce for now
and by reapplying buffs I can see when the buff icons are gone right?

[quick birch]

7 months

[dry star]

😭 😭 😭 okay I know her, I didn't remember her abbreviation because no one uses her

[quick birch]

|| next patch is an SD valk ||

[ancient needle]

Oh wow

Time flies

[dry star]

im saved

[quick birch]

real 👴

[lyric anvil]

Badum already over a half year old

[ancient needle]

They're releasing SD valks quite often

7.1, 7.3, 7.6, 8.1

[dry star]

I guess often is relative when hi3 patches are massively long 😭

[ancient needle]

Nope

[ancient needle]

True

[jolly pulsar]

oh yeah

I was trying to find a good stare emoji/sticker

[lyric anvil]

||SD Ice Ely||

[jolly pulsar]

ended up confusing the chat :ohno:

[dry star]

yall be telling me something was only "2 patches ago" and its half a year ago 💀

[ancient needle]

ig they slowed down recently

[quick birch]

the way this isnt even exaggerated

[ancient needle]

dw, we're getting whiplash from that as well

[outer spruce]

some people quit, came back and only 1 patch passed in that time

[dry star]

its unfortnate that in hi3 you cant skip valks or you end up skipping a whole set

[ancient needle]

Depends on your goals tbf

If you're a meta slave yeah

[lyric anvil]

There are times you have to skip though

[quick birch]

f2ps are expected to skip once in a while

[ancient needle]

(doesn't make it less punishing though)

[jolly pulsar]

so in general wth HoFin in the team can I just do WA and then switch her out?

[ancient needle]

Yup

[quick birch]

yeah

[storm lantern]

8.6 img please

[jolly pulsar]

Dang so no finger bang
finger boom
finger shoot?

[ancient needle]

Nope

Only in trio

[jolly pulsar]

ohh

[dry star]

yh, I've seen you all have to tell people to skip Y because they missed X and now they have to wait an entire patch for the next "set" of valks that link together as supports

[lyric anvil]

[quick birch]

that's SO only and you don't wanna switch out fdd in that

[ancient needle]

Very rarely in Vita DPS

[jolly pulsar]

i didnt have enough crystals for PAWS

and I really regret it because PAWS is my favorite valk to play in a while

probably since Luna?

[ancient needle]

You have a thing for high-hitcount Lightning valks, huh

[dry star]

paws is fun, her gameplay feels not like other valks
feels pgr-like even

[jolly pulsar]

yeah I wanted to pick up PGR cause of Dante and Vergil
But too many gachas on plate

[storm lantern]

i like valks where i can buffer inputs and fall asleep

[jolly pulsar]

thanks Teammate

[ancient needle]

Where's the score

[quick birch]

she's goated can't wait for to play her on hellmaru as a cope again that was prob my fav cope of all time ~~ besides vbs dps don't try this it's horrible ~~

[ancient needle]

Oh, Agony?

[jolly pulsar]

yeah
wanted to get +200

[ancient needle]

Well, still solid

gj

[dry star]

oh yeah tons of tourist players came for that
though, hi3 combat is way less punishing

you still have certain BIS rotations and such, but you're not resetting battle constantly like pgr 💀

[outer spruce]

oh hey that's my rl score

[jolly pulsar]

[ancient needle]

LMFAO

Nice joke

[lyric anvil]

I only gotten 828

[jolly pulsar]

wait, that bad huh?

[jolly pulsar]

did you guys have PAWS, or...

[storm lantern]

not resetting constantly said on hoi

[dry star]

ok yall meta people do reset battle a lot
but you actually get sick of it in pgr

[storm lantern]

im dying thats too good

[lyric anvil]

Yes but I'm stuck with VBm as a third

[quick birch]

dw i got sick of it in hi3 already

[shell basin]

Riley has s2 Coralie paws and SS Chenxue but they are counterbalanced by skill issue

[jolly pulsar]

hold on hold on what team are you running?

[dry star]

in pgr its also bc bosses ohko you sometimes by slightly touching your hitbox

[jolly pulsar]

I want SS Chenxue but
Next patch tho

[ancient needle]

So you meant that you have to be resetting even if you're a casual player? Dayum

[quick birch]

the times i've reset with because my opener was 0.2 secs too slow

[ancient needle]

Ah

[jolly pulsar]

we used to have that way way long ago

wish we still did

[lyric anvil]

S2 FDD, S0 PAWS, SSS+2 VBm
SS Chenxue

[jolly pulsar]

only one who's paper-y is Senadina recently
Like she dies pretty easily

[quick birch]

since when rye so whel

[outer spruce]

i have s0 fdd, s0 paws, s2 hofi, s chenxue

[lyric anvil]

[ancient needle]

Not that long with Sena tbf

[shell basin]

they got s2 in their first 10 pull

[lyric anvil]

Second

[jolly pulsar]

Isn't VBm little Coralie?

[ancient needle]

Yes

[quick birch]

yeah

[storm lantern]

dawei card for vbm sync when

[lyric anvil]

[jolly pulsar]

wait they're both little
I mean the A rank one

[storm lantern]

u dont have much time left this cycle

[ancient needle]

I think I've seen someone unironically do that

[outer spruce]

we have

[quick birch]

still yeah

[lyric anvil]

I can try to get sync 3 from asterite shop

[jolly pulsar]

ganesha still hits like a truck

[jolly pulsar]

why no SSS

[dry star]

I thought vbm asterite shop sync was recommended once you buy all the A valks in there

[jolly pulsar]

[ancient needle]

It depends on whether you still are using her at that point

[jolly pulsar]

Well, problem is of weekly timegate

[storm lantern]

i remember that one fuckass homu boss they ran right after sena dropped, literally made me quit the game bc u just kept dying

[dry star]

oh makes sense, I think it was recommended for newbie acc who need her for AR reasons

since newbie player will take a literal year just to get 2 teams of valks

[ancient needle]

VBm Synergies are very weak

[shell basin]

I'm trying to cover for you by pretending you only did one ten pull and then you shot yourself in the foot smh

[quick birch]

after you have the ones in ER yeah, though even that it's not that big of an increase i've survived nirvana with sync 1. i had SS aops tbf but that was the dealbreaker on those bosses anyway

[ancient needle]

Syn3 was like +1.5% compared to Syn1 for Sena DPS

[outer spruce]

on who? hofi? I'm not drya

[dry star]

if it werent for the fact I backpulled PS against meta advice, Id only own PAWS and FDD and it feels like ive been faithfully playing for a while

[lyric anvil]

Is missing Divine Prayer and Night Squire somehow for A ranks

[quick birch]

that's what 9 week does to someone

[shell basin]

lazy

[dry star]

[rugged compass]

Hello houseplant

[dry star]

hi breath!

[quick birch]

it really just made the beginner experience worse especially with valks like paws which are extremely reliant on 2 symbioses supports to work properly

[jolly pulsar]

VBm

[shell basin]

Trying to cope PAWS with PS + VBM was so suffering

[jolly pulsar]

Feels like if you pull latest valkyrie a lot you can sss VBm pretty fast

[rugged compass]

I feel like
Starting in paws patch was the luckiest and unluckiest
Cuz u could pull paws, then coralie, and u got vbm for coralie

[dry star]

when I first used paws and didnt realize her AR doesnt work without full symb team
I just thought she had an incredibly mid AR because trying to manually regen 900 SP by yourself is terrible

[outer spruce]

i do have sss vbm

[quick birch]

even if the valk could function fine with cope supports needing to wait this long to decently expand your roster just isnt great

[jolly pulsar]

so for crafting oath of judah, easiest way is to craft these four and then dismantle them right?

[quick birch]

yeah we've had that issue with a lot of beginners

[ancient needle]

Yeah, I feel like there should be at least 1 more solid F2P alternative to expand your roster

[shell basin]

MOst of them are about identical costs so yeah

just make sure you dint acccidentally craft the one that takes 5000 ranger credits instead of 150 AE imaginions

(HI, I did that)

[jolly pulsar]

I had that many

[quick birch]

especially for GoI imo,when symbioses a rank

[jolly pulsar]

keyword had

[lyric anvil]

I only crafted 3rd sacred relic four times

[ancient needle]

||The real question is how HLE works on copium||

[dry star]

also patches being 8-9 week long, and needing 3 per team
literal half a year of playing to get 1 single good team as newbie

but if you're F2P, then RIP, its going to be longer than that

[ancient needle]

Maybe it's a PAWS-specific issue somehow

[shell basin]

to be fair FDD is fine if you started in paws patch

[quick birch]

||tbh yeah i'm gonna have fun with that in beta, the negetive SP does sound interesting ||

[shell basin]

and FSW + PS isn't terrible either

[lyric anvil]

||HLE has sp debt||

[shell basin]

its just paws where ur screwed

[jolly pulsar]

Maybe they should do it where pulling on the current banner for newbies gives you currency that you can use to also get the previous patch valk or something

[quick birch]

i just realised why that a was highlighted

[outer spruce]

that's the issue, if someone told me i had to wait 2 patches for an actual good team with no cope, I'd quit

[rugged compass]

A new RoO A rank made for symbiosis and/or WoD

[outer spruce]

and the patches are hella long

[dry star]

not 2 patches
gotta translate that to months since hi3 is only major hoyogame on such long patch schedule

tell them 4+ months

[jolly pulsar]

i dont get it

[quick birch]

time for cope team guide 2.0

[ancient needle]

Just a grammar nerd moment

[quick birch]

before i edited my message it said expend

[jolly pulsar]

Swallowtail Phantasm my beloved

https://tenor.com/view/honkai-impact-seele-gif-23116625

[ancient needle]

Imagine if valks were expendable

[jolly pulsar]

Otto called

[lyric anvil]

[quick birch]

|| i'm especially interested in HLE/vbm/JK though how to derank her to S ||

[lyric anvil]

[storm lantern]

||make a new account ||

||i like spoiler tags||

[jolly pulsar]

oh my God I realized I had the wrong emblem on

I had the ER one not the RL one

[ancient needle]

You probs won't improve your score anyway

[lyric anvil]

Me with my gene limit on Tank

[quick birch]

|| but i wanna test shit in beta and idk if they even give out JK stuff atp ||

[ancient needle]

I've heard you could ask, not sure whether that's true tho

[lyric anvil]

I forgor to swap them

[ancient needle]

For gear, not for deranking

[quick birch]

prob possible

[rugged compass]

They give her wep

In starter

[ancient needle]

Mango meant in beta

[shell basin]

doesn't ||HLE have her own self breach||?

[rugged compass]

Oh mb

[ancient needle]

Yeah, and?

Team Breach and self Breach stack

[lyric anvil]

||She has self breach like HoHe?||

[quick birch]

they also gave me a throw away acc with my steam data even though it's stated that steam players cant participate

i love cs

[ancient needle]

[quick birch]

[lyric anvil]

Still remember me and you were in at least the same bracket in Beta once

[jolly pulsar]

oops, overfarmed

[quick birch]

ainoway

[lyric anvil]

[jolly pulsar]

wasted four tickets

[storm lantern]

reroll

too bricked

[ancient needle]

Yeah, the acc is bricked atp ngl

[jolly pulsar]

oh noes

do you know who I am?

I am

||reroll man||

[ancient needle]

Do you fuck up that often

[lyric anvil]

[jolly pulsar]

ugh
really torn between redeeming XY sword or brick

cause with brick you can get +20 atk I think right?
If you do brick and then craft FHD

[shell basin]

Brick + FHD + Pinions is 20 afaik and you still need the reserve work one

[ancient needle]

You can't craft FHD lah

[jolly pulsar]

oh pinions right?

[shell basin]

Brick + Pinions only is +10

[jolly pulsar]

wtf

thats dumb

what about XY sword, is that a +10?

[ancient needle]

Having only 1 dkey in a category that has 1 craftable one doesn't give ATK

[shell basin]

It is because you already have the xy gloves

from realms of battle

[jolly pulsar]

coulda sworn part 2 dkeys were the exception

[ancient needle]

P2 dkeys are not craftable

7T gives +10 ATK by itself too

[quick birch]

every dkey syngergy gives +10 except stellar key syncs beyond 1 they give +5

[ancient needle]

Cuz the only one in the category

[jolly pulsar]

no I mean p2 dkeys giving atk by itself

[shell basin]

yeah they're the only one in category. Only one in category = +10 by yourself

[ancient needle]

Yes, because they are in a separate category that doesn't have craftable ones

[jolly pulsar]

ok so XY sword it is from spending shop

[ancient needle]

It's the pick anyway, SoE:AE and Brick should be added to Reserve at some point

While others alr are there

[jolly pulsar]

my main acc has every non stellar dkey, so I really want the maid outfit, even though weapon synergy box is the wiser investment

[ancient needle]

Are you even interested in Nirv though

[jolly pulsar]

I'm not a fan of maids but Lantern looks really good in it

[shell basin]

eh the synergy box is very minor

just get the outfit if you want it

[jolly pulsar]

let me actually get there first

[quick birch]

yeah then sync won't do much for you

[ancient needle]

I meant that if you aren't you don't need the Synergy

[jolly pulsar]

I am interested, but cant you nirv without synergy?

[ancient needle]

You absolutely can

[shell basin]

you can but every little bit helps in the marginal case

[ancient needle]

RL is still as slack as it was in the past

If you meant staying in Nirv, then it's more about AOs

[quick birch]

assuming you choose fdd it's a 2% support and 4% dps increase but even then things like AOps and attack were more important for me, didnt feel like i was held back by missing sync yet

[lyric anvil]

90% of the Aops want SS

[jolly pulsar]

wonder if ss chenxue is a wise investment then

[ancient needle]

Not for you

[jolly pulsar]

she getting rerun next patch?

[ancient needle]

By the time you get to visit Nirv often we'll probably get a new ring type

[jolly pulsar]

[lyric anvil]

Already know I'm visiting Nirv next cycle

[outer spruce]

good luck

[quick birch]

SA or HoD ?

[lyric anvil]

Sa

[quick birch]

nvm you're cooked on both anyway

[lyric anvil]

No Teri

[quick birch]

it's not even only that, it's no dudu and no jds

[ancient needle]

You're missing the DPSes, even SSS Teri wouldn't save you

[quick birch]

and no atk

[jolly pulsar]

rerolling affixes, gonna see how many thousands of NCC I waste

[shell basin]

good news is RIley can just sleep

[lyric anvil]

I have FWS

[ancient needle]

Well, no JDS is still tough

[outer spruce]

no jds = demote

[lyric anvil]

[quick birch]

in RL no prob you can promo with decent supports( ig it's still a bit of bracket luck), nirv yeah you're cooked

[shell basin]

im gonna promo with paws dps brute force trust

[outer spruce]

it's a badum boss with special guest songque

[quick birch]

yk what that's a good cope idea imma try that

[lyric anvil]

JDS now terrible with fishing gone

[quick birch]

nah she's still stonks on sd

just not as fast

[lyric anvil]

True

[outer spruce]

as someone who never fish skipped, i can't tell the difference

[shell basin]

I'll just have to skill diff every fish and badum player in my bracket

[quick birch]

skill diffing fws+jds no problem with fws, good luck without fws though

[lyric anvil]

Expect a few or so Teri's too

[quick birch]

Aops barely mattered in Rl on last SA

i got like -4 points with DS compared to SS teri

[lyric anvil]

Interesting

[outer spruce]

score barely changes

[quick birch]

tbf i prob overkilled like crazy but the main point is that you could barely improve the rot

boss was too paper to farm ARI or make use of the second shift for me

[lyric anvil]

SS Chenxue shall carry me next cycle

[shell basin]

nah I think you'd better pull for sss

[lyric anvil]

No

[jolly pulsar]

Ok, only .9 atk from perfection
Took only 68k ncc

😔

[shut frigate]

Which wep do I choose? I don't think I might buy elysia's package anytime soon

[odd plume]

keep the box basically, you may want to use someone for fun later, who know

[green snow]

as someone who just reached captain lv 50, what content should i be prioritizing for getting crystals and just generally preparing to pull next patch?

[upper oracle]

@ancient needle do u know what team i can run for current abyss

not sure if fdd, cora, hofi beats 10/12 gardua hotr ai chan

[ancient needle]

I mean, idk what else you have

[upper oracle]

o lemme send rq

[ancient needle]

Do you not have Sirin, for example?

[upper oracle]

shes like

S3

[ancient needle]

😭

[upper oracle]

i lied shes s2

[ancient needle]

Part 1 story

[upper oracle]

these should be all the relevant ones

@ancient needle

[ancient needle]

Oh damn, your HoTr is not SS either

[upper oracle]

yeaaaaa

s3

[ancient needle]

And no Sparkle

[upper oracle]

[ancient needle]

Sirin sounds like not the best idea then

Though FDD with that support lineup doesn't sound good either

Tbh it's best if you just try them both

Assuming Sirin is 12/12

[upper oracle]

gardua is no go?

[ancient needle]

Definitely not FoV though

[upper oracle]

damn

[ancient needle]

No TC and only half of the weather bonus

And missing gear

[upper oracle]

the gear im missing is ai chan

it was weap and i think b stig?

[ancient needle]

😭

FDD it is then

[upper oracle]

🥀

[green snow]

nothing else?

[upper oracle]

next patch pls save my account

[ancient needle]

This is the main one
If you don't feel like doing story you can go for Expeditions (if you haven't done them alr) or maybe even Chronicles

For other one-time sources (they'll be less time-efficient) you can check "Crystal Sources" in the pins

[ancient needle]

Ofc don't forget about consistent sources like Abyss and Elysian Realm

Though keep in mind that depending on what chapter in P1 story you are on rn ER might have some story spoilers before you unlock the gamemodes there

[green snow]

is there anything i need to focus on for non crystal stuff?

[upper oracle]

770 🥀

ill take it

im 1 score above demote

surely they dont log back on

[shell basin]

You can improve your open world level by regularly doing missions? And make sure you’re getting your weekly asterite and materials? But mostly you want to be levelling up so you can unlock better abyss and better material stages and better memorial arena

[ancient needle]

That's actually decent wtf

For that team

[upper oracle]

the rest of my lobby is like 800

im barely above demote

[ancient needle]

Well, you can always record a run if you wanna

[upper oracle]

o ye

lemme do that rq

[green snow]

ok ty😁

[upper oracle]

btw should i be swapping to/using cora/hofi weap or ult at the beginning/ever?

[ancient needle]

Well, in P1 you should have enough damage not to need to refresh buffs (Cora's ult is not worth btw)

In P2 you can reapply the buffs and then SO at some point

[upper oracle]

okok

so just cora weap, hofi weap, fdd?

[ancient needle]

Or are you asking how they apply the buffs in general

[upper oracle]

yea

im not sure how the buffs work tbh

[ancient needle]

HoFi weap yes
Cora is more complicated

[upper oracle]

[ancient needle]

In this specific case what you can do in the opener is HoFi WA -> Cora WA x2 (on the ground) -> jump -> BA + WA

BA + WA must hit, everything else can whiff

[upper oracle]

okok

[ancient needle]

Lemme try a run myself actually rq

Nvm, Abyss is closed xdd

[ancient needle]

In P2 you can probably just SO straight away

[upper oracle]

okok

no need for reapply?

[shell basin]

SO automatically applies the buffs

[upper oracle]

o

welp

improved my score by 2 points

as long as i dont get sniped

i retain

[shut frigate]

Does hi3 have a 2x bonus for topping up b chips or no

[warped geyser]

no

it's only xtals and they refresh every cn new year if i'm not mistaken? someone can come in and correct me

[shell basin]

Sometimes they will have a discounted top up, like at the start of this patch, but the crystals are the only 2x bonus

[faint wasp]

do we get enoughof those crystallum balls to buy a weapon in the reserve works or do u have t buy bp for that

[outer spruce]

crystallums are permanent, you can just save up until you have enough for one

[faint wasp]

wait really?? ty , its been a long time since i played and i remember that there's a currency similarto that and expires every other patch (unless that was just false memory so ye)

[slim blaze]

They changed it

[summer veldt]

Hallo

Can i ask questions

Every time i want to converse weapon to key i get notif say "use your usual device"

And i can't converse the weapon can anyone give me tips to fix that?

[wintry wharf]

u can login with ur old device if still available or the only solution is to wait some days

[shut frigate]

which one is th ebest to pick?

[wintry wharf]

this is a thing to prevent hackers to converse weapons nothing u can do about it

[summer veldt]

How long

[wintry wharf]

dun remember but like 2-3 days

[shut frigate]

I'm about to top up in a bit

[wintry wharf]

id pick griseo but all are farmable anyways

ur choice

[summer veldt]

Okeh thanks for the help bro

[amber finch]

you also want to use stamina while in waiting btw

waiting and doing nothing wont solve it

you gotta prove to the game that you’re playing the game on a new device basically

[summer veldt]

Aight

[lilac reef]

NA server

[lyric anvil]

[shut frigate]

So I finally got dragon coralie

But, what do I do with dupe stigmatas?

[abstract sequoia]

you salvage them by going through your inventory

each give 1 prism

[shell basin]

Prisms are quite rare so it’s always helpful to have more

[abstract sequoia]

no other valk has a real practical use with those stigs

[shut frigate]

Ohh

Should I bother with rushing to craft all her stigs using the prisms or should i hold off on spending them

[abstract sequoia]

to add onto that, the longer play the less you will lack them. it's still very dependent about your weapon banner luck how many you will actually have

[abstract sequoia]

get the full set, but keep in mind that you have a box with a free stigma in your inventory

always given out for every new valk coming out

[shut frigate]

I used the free stigma box on the 1st slot stig
on second thought it would've been better if I just held onto it but eh

[abstract sequoia]

yeah, -1 prism

always pull first, then use the box if you're still missing one

[shut frigate]

hnghh

[abstract sequoia]

if you dont miss one, just keep it for collection or prism droughts

it'll be fine in the long run. you get at least one prism weekly through Memorial Arena

and event shops also usually offer you some

[shut frigate]

Would this be a good usage of the prism early on? or should I just hold of on spreading prisms and see where I will go

[abstract sequoia]

not a good use if you're still in the early game

you want to aim towards getting a full 4/4 gear team first

which also includes your support's stigmata set

[shut frigate]

Ohhh I see, then just 35/40 is fine then?

[abstract sequoia]

for now yea

get A rank coralie's 3 piece set if you haven't already. keep that on lvl 35

it'll benefit you more than dumping it all into just FDD's stigmas

[shut frigate]

Ohhh

[abstract sequoia]

then if you have more, you can consider slowly upgrading FDD's stigs first for more stats

or save it for the next valk

always keep in mind the minimum and maximum costs for 3 piece stigs

so 4 prisms from foundry forging if you use the box efficiently

and any that you will need to max lvl all of them

you see that's 7 prisms from 35-50. make that times 3 and it's 21. So max costs are 25 if you're unlucky

if lucky, just the 21

[shut frigate]

Mmmm I'll keep that in mind

[abstract sequoia]

also, you can save resources by keeping the M stig on 1/50

you only gain defensive stats from leveling it past the final upgrade

[shut frigate]

Should I scrap these?

[summer veldt]

You can use that to make a weapon

Weapon and stigma

[summer veldt]

After you make a weapon you can Converse that to key

[shut frigate]

Ohh

[summer veldt]

You can use key to buy spesial weapon for some Valkyrie

[summer veldt]

Because there are some Valkyries whose signature weapons are not being rerun, and you can use that key to buy them.

[storm lantern]

40 them bc you get a full refund from starter manual, 45 also gives 3 prisms back

[undone leaf]

does anyone have a budget HoR build for er?

[abstract sequoia]

do you have robert peary or ana?

[sweet flax]

you got willows or shiriac stigs?

[abstract sequoia]

willows is BiS..

[undone leaf]

yes i do have robert peary

[abstract sequoia]

okay that's servable for lower difficulties, any high atk cannons?

[undone leaf]

not really except for the dkey

[abstract sequoia]

its ass unfortunately

[undone leaf]

for stigs i can grind them but weapons ion got anything for her

[abstract sequoia]

your next best option right now would be Briareus Pri and Ex, however ||there will be a dk box with her dk box next patch|| so you might hold off on doing that

[sweet flax]

doesnt hurt to ask especially considering past events

[abstract sequoia]

right

[undone leaf]

oh okay then ill just save my mats for now til next patch

thanks

[sweet flax]

any reason you wanna use hor for er

[abstract sequoia]

either way, try your performance with peary. the upgrade into ana isnt bad if you have nothing else to go for in foundry

[undone leaf]

for the love of the game i like doing these kind of stuff

[abstract sequoia]

just upgrade all 3 pieces at once

[sweet flax]

fair enough

[abstract sequoia]

the 3pc bonus on both sets is too huge to miss out

[undone leaf]

aight

ty again man

[shut frigate]

How huge is normal coralie's 3 pc set in terms of buffing? I can't check it in foundry

[spiral badge]

click the stig art on the right in game here https://i.imgur.com/esLCvLL.png

then click on set bonsues https://i.imgur.com/Dg7lZgW.png

alternatively use the wiki website (glossary pin links to it) or search/type in #wiki-consult

it's a notable increase but beginners/developing accounts aren't go to have alot of source prisms. You mainly want those for your new gacha valks. you can surplus in prisms eventually but overall you don't want to be delaying your enhancements on your initial gacha pulled valks+weaps.

So generally we recommend a conservative approach

• use more cheap and free gear on VBs coralie as much as you can
• if you have to, craft the 3 stigmatas but do not upgrade them. This is relatively cheap for only 6 prisms but again you may not have much for now. Also ether fuel (green dollar sign material) takes a while to farm too.
• if you have to get a further boost then you can upgrade and level it. You prob shouldn't overall since this is much more costly (7 prism per piece. 21 total). 2pc and 3pc don't get boosted by level/upgrades. Only individual stig effects and stats do. But coralie's individual stig effects don't gain much. Her personal damage don't matter for support either. Only consider this for very fringe and exceptional cases.

!faq prism

[small willow]

Source Prism

Hi, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for more information about Prisms such as their sources!

Source Prisms are a very limited resource, so please be very careful not to waste them. They are used to upgrade and craft Part 2 Stigmata (all Part 2 Stigmata are forgeable).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[sweet flax]

how many trophies do you lose for not retaining in rl

-100?

[slim blaze]

mhm

[sweet flax]

shit

[shut frigate]

Ohhh thank you

[spiral badge]

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

i forgot to link this one

[austere umbra]

whats the fdd/paws/lp rotation?

also is it worth getting all of hohe's stamps before the reset

i only have her at S

[sweet flax]

could argue a case ||if you plan on picking her from the box next patch to get her to ss||
do you have thelema?

[sweet flax]

Cay's fdd guide

check the rots he posted

[prisma nebula]

Is it worth it to pull Thelema in returnee banner

[storm lantern]

no

||she's gonna be in spending event next patch and she's even more reliant on her weapon than most p2 valks||

[prisma nebula]

Okk ty

[sweet flax]

arguably the most reliant

[slim blaze]

imejin no time stop

[prisma nebula]

||But there's no way I could spend more than 20k xtals to get her since I only have 7.5k xtals rn||

[storm lantern]

check the crystal sources pin and see

[misty blade]

from the starter's manual s-rank egg i should get LE right?

[thick bolt]

!faq egg

[small willow]

S-Rank Valkyrie Option

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the in-depth explanation of what to choose!

Ai-chan recommends that you keep this egg until you have two from the following: Shadow Knight, Sixth Serenade and Goushinnso Memento. When you own two, unlock the one you are still missing.

[misty blade]

thanks may i ask if this guide is up to date or not btw? https://docs.google.com/document/d/11AAAWDntKmR9e1kkIXtMJaS6afxT69YrkbcqsU14g9I/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.x4b7gzrkte5l

found it in the subreddit iirc

[thick bolt]

It's outdated by 2 years, we had it pinned at one point till it lost relevance. Most of the stuff of interest covered should exist in the pins or you can ask as well

[dry python]

not very efficient to make a new one either

so idk what memes is doing

[misty blade]

i see thanks

[austere umbra]

nope, ive currently only been using her with paws/fws

[ancient canopy]

i already imagine the answer is no but i will ask anyway, is there a way to get this right now? and in the future?

[lunar dew]

whats the best f2p team for beginners?

[shell basin]

You can get it from spending event if you roll enough crystals and get brick from dkey box

And then eventually in the future it will be available in reserve works or another box

[ancient canopy]

the dkey box have it????? oh god my credit card

[shell basin]

It’s not advised to roll crystals just to get infinite intimidator but if you have something else you want in gacha it can be a decent bonus

[shell basin]

You can just spend crystals instead of money!

[shell basin]

Do you mean F2P as in consisting of entirely farmable or free battlesuits or as in trying to find supports for a gacha battlesuit?

[lunar dew]

more on just farmables till i have enough to 4/4 a character

[knotty helm]

Hello! Does anyonr have a returnee code I can use? Can't find where to post it here :,D

[shell basin]

#invite-links-here

[knotty helm]

Ty!!

[shell basin]

If you have FDD she is going to be better than farmables even without having her gear yet but you can also check out beginner team comps here: #👶beginner-help message

[lunar dew]

whos FDD

also what about reserve works?

[shell basin]

FDD is Behold Fate Defying Dragon, the current gacha battlesuit

[shell basin]

Some of the reserve works battlesuits have niche meta use but they typically need their full gear (Hohe, Hofi, HOO) and that's sufficiently expensive as a f2p player that you'd be saving for years by which point they wouldnt have any use anymore.

[lunar dew]

wait so shes good even without the weapon?

[shell basin]

No, but none of your farmable valkyries will have their weapon either

except VBM really

so if you give her a cope weapon like VBM's hammer she's still significantly better than them

[lunar dew]

wait i can lowkey run this team on my main. i did waste everything on a 4/4 Hohe i just would need to find the account again'

[shell basin]

To be clear this team is not itself meta, this is a cope team for newbies but it can't actually compete in abyss or high level MA

this is "If you don't have a good team this might be the best you can do"

[lunar dew]

yeah but its better then nothing

i came back and i have not a single p2 character at all.

[shell basin]

What does your account look like and what are your goal

[lunar dew]

okay i found the account! lemme send some screenshots of them.

[shell basin]

if you have no part 2 battlesuits then from a meta PoV restarting is better but if you're attached to it the account is still salvagable and if you dont care about meta obv then it's fine

[shell basin]

👍

[lunar dew]

this is what ive found. i dont think its looking good (Turns out i didnt get 4/4 hohe just 2/4 and a 3/4 jade knight) also a HoO 4/4

[shell basin]

This is actually not as bad as it could be

[lunar dew]

also i got theluma from the returnee banner so 0/4 on her (which is fine because i heard shes not even good for anyone i own)

[shell basin]

||HorB is geting a new dkey next patch, which will make her a meta battlesuit||, and HoO is one of the old units that still has some meta use. You are probably slightly better off restarting but if you like your old account it would be very easy to unbrick it

If you want a new account, your goal will be to get FDD+wep on the current banner (ideally with rerolling if you're up for it, but it can work without it) and then save for next patch. If you want to unbrick your old account, you save for next patch

[lunar dew]

i might just reroll for a little on like 3-4 accounts and if i dont get her i can just try to save up to unbrick my account

[lunar dew]

||whens the new eysia?||

[shell basin]

||Next patch||

||She really wants symbiosis units to support her but HorB's DKey can make her a symbiosis unit||

which is why both your old account and a new one can be justified

[lunar dew]

how long do you think she'll be good for? because honestly saving to just fix a account wouldnt be bad. mainly because im all the way in chapter 10 so i can just grind out story.

[shell basin]

||Horb or HLE? In either case, she'll probably be really good for about year and then have some use for 2 or so years after that, maybe more, but I would expect HLE to last longer than Horb||

FDD will probably last a little longer than usual as a ROO breach support but it's reading tea leaves atp

[lunar dew]

||i mean if everything goes good, Both then i could be set for a good while. i dont really care about meta THAT much but if it means i can play more fun without worrying more on my dmg then i rather do that||

[shell basin]

||If you just pull HLE and Horb dkey|| you can probably bounce RL for a patch, maintain Agony 3 for a while (I would guess a year? Maybe less) and then eventually if you don’t pull anyone new you’ll probably start bouncing Agony 2 occasionally

It’s tough to maintain RL if you skip a lot of battlesuits but as long as you don’t skip a ton in a row A3 is easily maintainable for someone who knows how to play

[lunar dew]

yeah thats fine with me because i dont really care for getting the highest scores just enough to get the rewards

[shell basin]

In Hi3 you get more crystals for better meta performance

RL gets a bit less than an extra pull a week over A3 and A3 is about the same amount better than A2

But obviously battlesuits are so expensive that nobody will ever actually pay for themselves

So someone who doesn’t roll but stays in A3 will have more crystals than someone who rolls every patch and stays in RL

[lunar dew]

so whats the min to go for to unbrick the account?

[shell basin]

You can unbrick the account in sinful (one of the lowest ones) it’s just gonna be slower

And your account should be able to easily get A2 with what you have which isn’t even that terrible

[lunar dew]

no i mean what do i pull to unbrick and how much would it cost?

so far i have 47 more pulls till my next s rank

[shell basin]

If you play actively (doing weekly ER + biweekly abyss + dailies, like maybe an hour a week? Less if you’re efficient) and also clear story over time you should be able to afford next patch’s battlesuit ||+dkey|| and unbrick then

If you want to unbrick this patch you’d probably have to either ||skip HLE||, spend money, or get very lucky

[strong void]

Which ELFs have "intelligence" for dorm errands purposes? I can't find this info online

[shell basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901268521181401108/1396426366676635699/errannds1.png?ex=68cdcda6&is=68cc7c26&hm=303e638f7d00aa709ba0993ddc9d0136aade5fa100377cfe268fd57495376a6d&

Oops too slow

[outer spruce]

lmao

[strong void]

ty

[lunar dew]

i rather just get enough to pull for all the stuff i need next patch because my pity isnt that crazy into it so holding off would just be better

[shell basin]

Yeah in that case you’ll probably want to put together some P1 ice, phys, and Lightning teams for HoHe, HOO, and HoRB dps and see what you can clear in abyss with just that. I think wepless thelema with cope supports is probably worse than HoHe with gear but you could also consider her

[lunar dew]

she doesnt even have her weapon too.

[shell basin]

HoRB will want Terminal Aide and Herrscher of Sentience (both farmable), HoHE will want either Reverist Calico or Sugary Starburst + Jade knight (also farmable), and HoO wants Golden Diva and then… probably Reverist calico? And between those three teams you can probably muddle through abyss until next patch

[lunar dew]

wait thats perfect. Reverist Calico is at SS right now, Jade knight is 3/4 without the weapon and i get to use Herrscher of Sentience!

which i dont have because i missed the free event one.

[shell basin]

You can get her from the war treasury

She’s free, just takes a bit to farm

If you don’t have Jade knights weapon Nebulous Duality is pretty good on her? Or just give her a generic stat stick fist

[lunar dew]

okay so how many crystals do i need to farm for the next battlesuit (and im pretty sure they need the weapon too) and ||The DKey||

[lunar dew]

what about this?

idk if it would be better or worse

[shell basin]

considering your pity? On Average you probably need to get about 30k crystals in the next 12 weeks, if you're unlucky you would need 46k

[shell basin]

Better, if Jade Knight doesnt have her sig Cosmic Duality is a good cope option, but if you dont have it then you don't have it

[lunar dew]

i can craft it right now

[shell basin]

You have nebulous duality to craft it with?

[lunar dew]

yeah

[shell basin]

Nebulous duality is honestly fine but if you have the materials to spare you could consider upgrading it to cosmic duality

maybe wait until you've used the team some

[lunar dew]

okay!

[lunar dew]

30k dang i got to grind hard

[shell basin]

You should be able to get about 20k from just playing actively

[lunar dew]

also i have to get 300 more to get Herrscher of Sentience

[shell basin]

and doing elysian realm and abyss and dailies

but the other 10k will have to come from story and events and stuff

[lunar dew]

so what are my teams are
HoRB ||Hopefully with Dkey|| + Terminal Aide + Herrscher of Sentience
HoHE + Reverist Calico + Jade knight
HoO + Golden Diva + who else

[shell basin]

HoO can use Reverist Calico too

[lunar dew]

what about stigmatas for them all?

[shell basin]

What stigmata’s do you have

Turg and Jin Shengtan are really good for HoO and HoHe’s supports if you have them

[lunar dew]

what about Natasha? nvm shes a fire unit.

[shell basin]

But if not you can use stuff like Ogier T and Theresa Gluttony T and Fu Hua Musician MB and Roald Amusen (full set) which are easier to get

[ancient needle]

1. She's a Fire support
2. She ain't good at all

[lunar dew]

also this

[shell basin]

I mostly don’t recognize old stigmas on sight sorry, you’ll need to give me names or wait for someone who can. But if nothing else you can try other as ogier supports for anyone and I see one fu Hua Musician so you can try crafting a second one for someone if you don’t have any better options

[lunar dew]

HoFlame, HoT and Palatinus

[shell basin]

Palatinus Equinox could be decent for someone on phys team if you don’t have better options. HoT stigmas are good on Golden Diva as support for HoO

I think HoFS stigmas are not currently very useful for you

So for your Lightning team you could go Hoo dps, Golden Diva with HoT stigmas, RC with Roald 3pc from foundry

And for your ice team you could run Jade Knight with Roald Amusen and Reverist Calico with 2pc Fu Hua Musician and either gluttony T or Ogier T

Physical team I’m less sure but you could try one of the supports palatinus equinox and the other ogier B + gluttony T + whatever m has the best personal damage bonuses maybe

Actually no you can just use Fu Hua Musician there too

So gluttony T + 2x fu Hua Musician and then Ogier B + 2 self damage maybe

[lunar dew]

i dont have them so i would have to farm them

[shell basin]

They should be pretty cheap in foundry

I’m not reccomending the more expensive ones like JST or Turg yet for that reason

Tho if you want you could slowly work forwards those ig

[lunar dew]

How long does it take to finish the summer skin event?

[shell basin]

It's very time gated. Not a lot of time in game but it'll take >1 week irl

[slim blaze]

Start Memorizing the stigmatas by their back art

[shell basin]

No

[raw wraith]

Is new coralie worth pulling ? Im an end game player

[outer spruce]

she's the new breach support for LoA and GoI and is the new ignite dps

so yes

[amber finch]

yo

am i supposed to beat this

[outer spruce]

yeah

[amber finch]

tem plz

[raw wraith]

Oh damn i thought she kinda mehh so i skip now i have 43k should i make a pull ?

[amber finch]

i tried the rec’d one and the dragon just spammed hc shields + those boomerangs when its at 200 hp

[outer spruce]

and you're using heals and revives right?

[amber finch]

i can use that mid battle?

[outer spruce]

yes

you haven't been doing that?

[amber finch]

noe

i just destroy everything so i didnt care

[outer spruce]

i personally would as she's the best support for most recent teams and most likely the best support for the next valk

[elfin vine]

whose set is after this

[outer spruce]

supply schedule in #💁gameplay-help pins

[amber finch]

thx for the advice btw

ok is this bc of me not having enough atk

1523 s2 thel

[outer spruce]

i killed with s0 thel though

after hoh kills with charge atk wa, thel just ults, basic x3, tap wa, hold basic, moi and she just dies

[amber finch]

i did the same thing and im missing half a bar

[lone crater]

u can also add some atks in before ult, like after p1
sena eva atk
then swap into thel

[amber finch]

oh nice thx

[lilac reef]

I dont understand... it's 2:28am rn for me so why cant I play?

is that EST time?

[shell basin]

I think it’s actually -5

[lilac reef]

wait really? Great I cant play this event half of the week then

[shell basin]

It’s open 18 hours a day

[lyric anvil]

GMT-5

Which is CST

[sweet flax]

#status

[lyric anvil]

An hour ahead of my time zone

[raw wraith]

new coralie use ATK stat or sp/s ?

[odd plume]

atk

dont think any p2 valk use sp/s, maybe except extremely niche case in MA

[abstract sequoia]

hotr?

oh, p2 valks

still, a thing to consider if you wanna run trio

[tribal maple]

Is it just always atk/cd nowadays? Sadge but yeah no sp needed in p2

[abstract sequoia]

there were theories with max sp for paws, but nothing much came out of it i think

just silly theories for when GoI was announced

[abstract sequoia]

I've had the same reaction

[lilac reef]

sadly Im busy when it's open

[slim blaze]

Sacrifice slee0

[silver patio]

Is herrscher of sentience still good..

[rugged compass]

||i dont think she'll be good as a support anymore, HoRb gets a dkey next patch...which was her only niche metawise||

As a dps, she needs a 12/12 team, preferably with Dudu and HoRb (of course this is requiring her divine dkey. (Brick)

But fish doesnt rerun often

[silver patio]

Who is fish

[rugged compass]

And dudu (as of last rerun of fish) comes close to HoS

[rugged compass]

Abyss Boss

Stun weather

[silver patio]

In short no

[rugged compass]

Basically

[shut frigate]

Anyone I should be farming expeditions for? or just mats

[regal crane]

Will I miss out on the last day reward

[odd plume]

mostly just farm AE imaginon, the stage can drop shifter too

but expedition isn't the main focus for beginner, unless you dont play often and have exceeded stam

[shut frigate]

Ohhh

[tribal maple]

Don’t you get dorm levels from this too

While farming for dorm valks

[odd plume]

too slow, beginner has other things to worry about, just buying asterite valk is enough

[tribal maple]

Fair, ig

[glad ice]

as long as u log in everyday (dont skip/slack off any day)

u will get those

[regal crane]

[dusky sapphire]

Hello!
I have a question.
How much time do these take?

[next spade]

When is sushang getting a re run the part 2 one

[thick bolt]

check schedule in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[thick bolt]

story segments are short, it's mostly timed stage mechanics that take a while.
I'd say give or take half an hour to an hour each

[dusky sapphire]

Oh I see. Thanks so much!!!!

[misty blade]

how major are the spoilers if i were to do elysian realms rn even tho i'm at like ch 5 of part 1 story ?

[wraith brook]

Hi can i ask about steal?

[misty blade]

i should get sugary starburst right? Also i'm kinda sad that i can't use FDD to rush all part 1 stages even though she's my most invested unit, to rush story/sakura content am i better off using HoV or HoE (HoE i don't have her sig weapon, i could reedem it but it shouldn't be worth (?))

also, is it worth going for 700+ spending event points to get the divine key ?

got both fdd and her weapon already

[dusky sapphire]

You're already at 660 so why not? But are you aiming to collect all dkeys? There are couple in bp shop as well as forge able. So if you want to collect them all then yes since you're already only 40 maid thingies away. Also make sure to get XY Sword! That's pretty rare. Get THAT from the box

[dry star]

imo there's some references to characters outside of ER and minor spoilers about hi3' organizations but ER story is mostly diving deep into the story of the ER characters themselves and learning their history

its pretty good story, Id recommend it

[misty blade]

idk, i read that the priority is divine keys if you still have to get them and then the sinergy thing

[dry star]

in otherwords, I'd say ER story is fairly self contained

[misty blade]

yeah i know you from the hsr server i think, i got in hi3rd mostly for story

wanted to catch up with hype

slowly but surely

[dusky sapphire]

Synergy is for dkeys that are in banners like waxing moon, elysia's dkey, seele upcomibg dkeys. Those are synergized. But the other dkeys like XY sword and in bp shop aren't in need for synergy. They simply get "synced" when you convert them to a dkey. There's literally an option that asks you to convert them to a dkey.

[dry star]

yeah its interesting to go thru Hi3 ER, just know that theres a lot of things that don't parallel to HSR version of those characters but it is fun to see references or compare how different they are

[misty blade]

I’ll read a guide on how that works cuz you are currently speaking arab from my perspective

Thanks tho, appreciate it. Have a good one the both of you

[dry star]

yeah just make sure to pick Xuanyuan Sword

anyway I came for a question
If doing abyss vs a stage where none of the stage weathers benefit me, would PAWs or FDD leader be better? (team: paws, fdd, vbm, ps also exist)

[crystal sapphire]

Please help me decide. I took a break for a while and now I have no idea what's happening.
Gems: 6496
Battlesuit pity: 13 left
Equipment pity: 56 left
Ch 10-42 untouched
Barely touched P2
Want || elysia new battlesuit || but have no supports
Only have Coralie (blast metal), Thelema, helia (bolt storm), sparkle
I don't really get hi3 team-building but I heard dragon Coralie is a good support for || ely || . Is it worth to pull dragon Coralie battlesuit if I am 100% F2F? Or should I wait for her rerun?

[glad ice]

6496 wont get u enough

but thats just what i think

other may think otherwise

[shadow gyro]

first off can you use the spoiler filter to cover the 8.5 part?
you can but you're near the end of her supply even if you get lucky with her rn u want the weapon as well

[glad ice]

he asking should he get Dracolie or wait for rerun

[shadow gyro]

rerun won't be worth it atp

[glad ice]

well my answer is skip if u want next valk

[brittle flint]

a question, what should be my next step? do i build pity on dragon coralie or save for next patch? and if so what should i look forward to? everyone is 4/4 except sushang (missing weapon) and hofi (missing dkey cuz i prioritized her skin first.. )

oh also i have 68 pulls till S rank, 42 till weapon, and 48 till astral op

[storm lantern]

are you close to any spending event goals and what is your xtal count

[brittle flint]

REALLY broke 😭 205 crystals.,, i am 18040/19600 on the spending event tho, i spent my tokens on equipment cards

[storm lantern]

yeah just skip

[glad ice]

if u want to build pity at least have a budget for the weapon for the situation u may get the valk

if u dont have a budget it will be a disarter if u cant get the weapon bcs u cant use the valk for her useful time

[misty blade]

i should get sugary starburst right? Also i'm kinda sad that i can't use FDD to rush all part 1 stages even though she's my most invested unit, to rush story/sakura content am i better off using HoV or HoE (HoE i don't have her sig weapon, i could reedem it but it shouldn't be worth (?))

i meant to send this as the other image

[glad ice]

yeah key of ego is not worth it

and yes u should get kira. combine with Pardofelis and Jade Knight from newbie book reward u can form a decent ice team

[misty blade]

thanks

[rugged compass]

Hi3 er is so fun

[glad ice]

yeah nowadays we use "fun" to describe ER

[rugged compass]

What do u describe it as?

Theres so many options

[glad ice]

well, we used to have a 1shot semiboss at stage 6

[rugged compass]

Oh

[glad ice]

and no lite

[rugged compass]

I mean..

[glad ice]

and the mob can 2 shot u

[rugged compass]

I was there

For the no lite*

It used to be debuff orientated iirc

U have debuffs
And u can use ur power to "undebuff" the stuff right?

Like how u use ur power to buff u

[rugged compass]

The 0/30 thing*

[glad ice]

its not debuff

they just design the mob to be very strong

especially in finality

[rugged compass]

Sorry

[glad ice]

just like we used to have nightmare mode in story lol

another factor is part1 valk is weaker than p2

[rugged compass]

U think i like using pt2 valks in er?

Actually this is beginner help

Can we go to honkai chat

Instead
I dont wanna go on a tangent or yap a lot in beginner help

[dry star]

bring this back

rn I feel like ER is just DPS check

[amber finch]

has been for awhile now

way before p2 ofc

[dry star]

yeah mainly it just feels like the defensive signets pretty useless unless you're doing a lot of kalpas main focus

[ancient needle]

You can always pick Thorny Crown if you wanna spice things up

Though idk whether it's available before completing ER story

(defensive signets will still be useless tho xdd)

(cuz you go down all the way to 1 HP at some point)

[dry star]

ok

[left vale]

well almost everyone does a lot of kalpas main focus so that helps lmao

[slim blaze]

Who to use this abyss?

Thinking fws jds fdd

No aop tho sigh

[storm lantern]

teri scam

[slim blaze]

Im going to die trying again

[storm lantern]

oh ur nirb

[slim blaze]

Well yeah

[storm lantern]

try my ref :)

my damage sucks so u should prob be able to follow it in sea

[slim blaze]

Ew songkop

[storm lantern]

no i uploaded ds

same run tho

[slim blaze]

Il look at it when im desparate

[storm lantern]

[slim blaze]

What can i say

Slacc life

[storm lantern]

is this what awawa felt like

[shut frigate]

When do I start caring about pulling asop valks? Like when I get a full part 2 team?

[storm lantern]

when you're bouncing nirv

astral ops below nirv are both not necessary to get trophies and also dont lead to as much score improvement as in higher ranks due to lower hp enemies making ari refund and mechanics like second stellar shift worse

[shut frigate]

Ohh

[odd plume]

also you will need money for that
if you are f2p, getting astralop usually mean you will have to skip future valk, it's a bad trade off

[silver patio]

What happens after this

[odd plume]

no more mission

[mental python]

Will the supply shop change next patch? I'm missing 100 shards to pretty much get SS Hohe and idk if i should just randomly pull now to get them
Edit: i sadly have 0 clues how many shards you get per 10 pulls

[ancient needle]

||HoHE's stamps will get replaced with Sena's||

How much currency you get for pulling is mentioned in the banner details

Lemme check myself

[mental python]

Okay then i need a tip on what to pull
Do i waste my pulls on a copy of FDD , Dudu (considering i cannot get the weapon) or pull for Astral OP?

like best case i don't get anything and i just have my pity for next banner

[ancient needle]

5 per pull + extra 15 if you get a copy of an SSS A-rank

How many crystals do you have rn?

[mental python]

42k but i only have Hohe, FDD, PAWS and Sparkle so i need more valks.. xD

[ancient needle]

So 22 pulls at worst

[ancient needle]

Ah, so you don't even have the proper team for HoHE

[mental python]

nope i just like her

[lone crater]

🧱

[ancient needle]

I assume there's no pity built on the valk banner?

[mental python]

yes 0 pity on valk and astral op banner

[ancient needle]

ig you could dump these pulls on the valk banner if you really want to

[mental python]

on FDD tho right?

[ancient needle]

||Depends on how much HoHE can contribute in HLE DPS||

[ancient needle]

I don't think weapless RS will be super useful, so yeah

I'd wait for another opinion here tho, I might be missing smth

[mental python]

Got lucky got a double base coralie and it was a +30 already ❤️ ty for clearing my doubts

[silver patio]

NOO!

okay not like i was gonna buy those

[mental python]

This is probably impossible to find but... does anyone have a video of stellar burst rotation for PAWS -> Hohe -> FDD?

I keep running out of time and can't manage to do the special PAWS finisher . Am i supposed to waste FDDs 3 stage ultimate for the sake of a faster rotation?

[lone crater]

u never do 3 stage as support, at least i haventr seen a usecase for it

[mental python]

Oh okay
So i assume also elysia only has to go in -> Charged attack -> Weapon -> Ultimate -> get out?

[lone crater]

she dont even need to do ca+weap or even ult

it depends on ur rot but sometimes all she needs to do just auto attack and then ult, or just hop in once and dip

its quite situational, so u can experiment

u can just try weap + ult only first ig

[calm kernel]

the only job of the supports during GoI outburst is to farm SP for the leader

so yeah depending on factors such as having chenxue or not, valk ranks etc. what you need to do depends

but you just want to be fast as possible

[lone crater]

paul pro

[hearty sequoia]

Can valks do decent damage without their weapon and just her stig set?

[outer spruce]

not really, weapons are required for good dps

you lose too much damage

most characters lose around 30 - 40% damage without sig weapon

[odd plume]

depend on what is decent to you, agony tier or red lotus/nirvana tier

unless you are very skilled, no wp = agony 3
but i know that many player see agony 3 as good enough

[novel comet]

is domain of sanction or seven thunders of retribution better for HoT?

[ancient needle]

The latter by a huge margin

Ofc keep in mind that building HoT is not recommended atp

[shadow gyro]

7T
but you don't use HoT unless ur having fun or you wanna do her stress test (u can use a budget option on that tho)

[ancient needle]

But also speaking of gear, HoT's BiS stigs are Handel, not Benares

[jolly pulsar]

so with Eden do you run two Handel or...

turg tb Eden?

[ancient needle]

Turg on Eden

Handel doesn't stack

[jolly pulsar]

ah, so then add ppm on eden i guess

[ancient needle]

Ye

[jolly pulsar]

what team should i run this abyss?

for my main i could probably do Badum, JDS, FDD I think, but my alt doesnt have JDS

[ancient needle]

FWS FDD Sparkle ig?

Not sure how Sparkle and Vita compare

[ancient needle]

Yes, that's BiS

[jolly pulsar]

wonder why people were running Chenxue. Maybe they didnt have Theresa?