👶beginner-help

[rugged compass]

My dumbass picked s2 DA for the STRESS TEST wasted all 9000 for just 1 stress test stage.

[ancient needle]

How do you know they didn't decrease it by 0 tho

[amber finch]

wait dang

[ancient needle]

Ainnowaying

[sweet flax]

because its hoyo they only know how to make bigger numbers

[amber finch]

[rugged compass]

Like back in the olden days

[lyric anvil]

🧱

[sweet flax]

s2 da in the big 2025 is also crazy

[amber finch]

i love breath and his early morning shenanigans

[ancient needle]

Actually, wait

@amber finch where are your SSS DA refs wtf

[amber finch]

oh i went casual havent you heard

i got lazy at ss3

[lyric anvil]

I'm eating dinner during this

[ancient needle]

[amber finch]

for some reason im dirt poor in aw

[dry python]

Guys this weather is fucking amazing too bad I can't stay in bed and enjoy it

[amber finch]

i literally have e i g h t

[sweet flax]

sounds nice, im gonna go buy some chicken wraps to enjoy this convo better

[lyric anvil]

Funny
I'm eating popcorn chicken

[rugged compass]

I pulled 3/4 cn for offrate zeno copies in 6.7 and rudder was guaranteed in 50 not AF.
So uh yeah

[amber finch]

im waiting for a storm to pick me up and throw me at hoyo hq

[sweet flax]

I wouldnt be surprised if you pulled on an SP rerun atp

[amber finch]

i mean yeah

[timber spindle]

is it possible to delete resources for past story quests?

[sweet flax]

yes

[ancient needle]

Yes, in the Ai-Phone

[rugged compass]

Well uhm
I only did wishing well. For kira M stig

[sweet flax]

go to your settings

[amber finch]

yeah, ai phone—> download(?)

[lyric anvil]

Certain ones yeah

[lyric anvil]

Resources

[timber spindle]

thank youu

[amber finch]

atleast im sticking true to my nature

[rugged compass]

So if i dont get fdd in first 10 pull do i just save

[sweet flax]

wait resources is just an option on the phone now?

no need to go into settings?

[amber finch]

have been for like 50 years now asu

[sweet flax]

my bad for not noticing pixels on the useless corner of the bridge

[amber finch]

said pixel is a big green neon board

[amber finch]

yeah thats your best bet atp

[lyric anvil]

Yeah
I accidentally keep on going to settings thinking they're there

[sweet flax]

how many crystals do you even have

[amber finch]

you have no crystals, no cards, no one time sources

[rugged compass]

5 weeks later

So whats senas best team?
Is it like hofi badu-

[amber finch]

and whaling is definitely a no go

[storm lantern]

why cant breath whale

[sweet flax]

sena's best team is being powercrept and having her bosses stolen by fws

[ancient needle]

Because they'd instantly go homeless with their decision-making abilities

[rugged compass]

Hows her best team being powercrept?

[amber finch]

his account is dogshit, its a waste of money unless he really wants that valk ig, its his money after all

[storm lantern]

LOL

[amber finch]

also yeah he’d become homeless

[ancient needle]

FWS stole Lightning Gaymax

[amber finch]

he’d just dump all of his crystals into dorm for sss apo

[ancient needle]

That's why we had a Reso one

[rugged compass]

I probably would

[rugged compass]

Im not that stupid holy

[sweet flax]

that fws still topscored unless sena was ranked at least in rl or below

[amber finch]

ionno man

[ancient needle]

Would only go for SS, ye

[rugged compass]

My aponia is SS

[amber finch]

there was a guy who dumped 40k xtals + 50 dollers into dorm for s0 hot after all

[sweet flax]

wow who would do something stupid like that

[ancient needle]

😭

[rugged compass]

Haha i got HoT on my 2nd guarrantee (the first 2)

[amber finch]

some reddit guy i forgor, shat on him years ago

[timber spindle]

i don't seem to be able to find resources for part 1 chapters 1-9...

[sweet flax]

ofc its a redditor

[rugged compass]

She did not help me much

[amber finch]

he was trying so hard to justify it

[ancient needle]

Yeah, these probs can't be deleted

[sweet flax]

there isnt

[amber finch]

only some parts of story are available for deletion

[ancient needle]

They shouldn't be taking up much anyway

[timber spindle]

i see

[storm lantern]

did he get her 💔

[amber finch]

yeah, s0 hot❤️❤️❤️

[storm lantern]

huge

[amber finch]

game changing

[sweet flax]

chapters 1-9 for some reason also have the spaghetti code holding all of hi3 together

[rugged compass]

Oh
Well i dont own songque so

[amber finch]

one button fr

[lyric anvil]

I hope luck is on my side

[amber finch]

kan i borrow 4k

[lyric anvil]

No

[rugged compass]

Can i borrow 24k

[lyric anvil]

Hel no

[sweet flax]

I vow, 1 fdd, 1 fdd weapon, 1 chenxue astral op, 1 hofi skin

[amber finch]

hard pity weap and valk

[rugged compass]

I think the reason im so poor is bc i own AE skin

[amber finch]

no extra copies

[amber finch]

thats not the only reason

[lyric anvil]

[amber finch]

definitely not

[ancient needle]

Okay, that's based at least

[storm lantern]

i believe in you

[amber finch]

even thinking is enough for you to lose crystals

[sweet flax]

dw valk is 10 pity, equipment 24 and astral op 10 I failed paws terribly

[amber finch]

19k
ss fdd
sss chen
s3 weap

[dry python]

You don't even have enough for the skin wtf

[lyric anvil]

I stopped myself from buying any of those skins for xtals

[storm lantern]

breath is like ron 2

[amber finch]

thats a name i havent heard in awhile

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[rugged compass]

Ty

[amber finch]

the legendary diana the cow

[sweet flax]

🙏

[amber finch]

the backbone of beginner help fr

[ancient needle]

Diana the cow is Reika's wtf

Not Ron's

[amber finch]

wait fuck

oh my god i forgot about my own cadet

[dry python]

44*280 is 12k

[amber finch]

that i literally vowed to never forget

[dry python]

You don't even have 12k

[amber finch]

reika if you’re alive and not chased by cows

[rugged compass]

Well atleast i dont say im saving till 10.2 and just "cheat on my diet" loveuron(platonicallyofc)

[amber finch]

i love you💍

[amber finch]

oh his classic “i’ll save til x.0”

[sweet flax]

1.4k because 50% discount
2.8k astral op
5.6k for weapon

and patch is still a week away so that's another 1-2k crystals

[rugged compass]

Yes

[amber finch]

after 2 years he still has 10k crystals

[ancient needle]

"Platonically" doesn't mean "no homo"

We got 'em

[amber finch]

because “i dont play abyss”

[rugged compass]

Shoo

[amber finch]

and he randomly got 4/4 luna

[dry python]

Ok that leaves 0 xtals for skin

[rugged compass]

So did i

Im jk

I got lv on her patch

Whats even funnier is that

[sweet flax]

skin is 7k right? since discounted
and 2 weeks into 8.4 it comes, and it stays for how long 2 weeks as well? that's enough time

[rugged compass]

I was debating on getting sirin wep the patch earlier

[amber finch]

atleast he rl’d with her for a grand total of 2 abysses

[rugged compass]

With no htr

[sweet flax]

I have just enough for that goal

[rugged compass]

[sweet flax]

assuming I dont early the weapon

which I heavily doubt as all my weapon pulls have been on the 60 line

[lyric anvil]

If I'm lucky I'm gonna attempt to pity Aop

[storm lantern]

i pull like there's a pity system between banners

[amber finch]

hey you’re only 2 years ahead

[ancient needle]

Hoyo just senses that you're able to pay up and tweaks the rates

[sweet flax]

ONG

[ancient needle]

Should've stayed F2P

[sweet flax]

teammate I literally hard pitied everything since p2 except for the vita s2 😭

[lyric anvil]

You don't say since I was left with 1 pull after 4/4 PAWS

[sweet flax]

actually nah, even in p1 my horb odds made me look like the sample size of 1 people keep referring to 😭

I hate hoyo games

[lyric anvil]

Honkai better than most at least

[sweet flax]

you know its bad when I can say hi3 treats me better than the others

[lyric anvil]

Lol

[sweet flax]

this is why i've been playing the horse game 😔

[lyric anvil]

I haven't played GI, HSR, or ZZZ
But I'm biased towards Hi3

[lyric anvil]

I'm not joining the trend

[sweet flax]

Your loss

[hearty sequoia]

can trial characters be used in the Q-Manifold: agony

[sweet flax]

no

only your own characters that you have unlocked are usable in endgame content

[lyric anvil]

Only story and expeditions I believe you can use trial characters

[knotty sierra]

Any team comp ideas?

[sweet flax]

to be honest you don't really have much

if this is a returnee account, id suggest restarting

[lyric anvil]

All of those valks are free

[knotty sierra]

Man

[knotty sierra]

Yeah 😭😭😭

[sweet flax]

its up to you really but if you have no competitive goals then it doesnt make a difference
the advice we give her are usually catered towards the meta

[knotty sierra]

Ohhh alright

Its possible to just continue in my account then? But if i were to continue it to be more competitive then it'll be hard??

[sweet flax]

it will take longer to catch up yes, keep in mind beginner rewards garuntee a player to secure 2 back to back s ranks which is a much stronger start than a returnee with no p2 valks will ever have

also beginner manual provides good early game units as you can refer to via the beginner teams faq I linked you

[lone crater]

not impossible but hard yea

[sweet flax]

once again, the decision falls on you, if you have competitive goals, i'd restart to save time
otherwise have patience and try to properly invest into your account

[knotty sierra]

Ohhhh alright

[sweet flax]

and as already mentioned

if there is a specific valk you wanted from your current account, she is farmable

[knotty sierra]

Alrightyy

What if i try making a new account but like at some time i hop in my old account?

[sweet flax]

up to you

[lone crater]

if u rly dont wanna let it go can just stick with it

[sweet flax]

^

[knotty sierra]

Ah alright

[sweet flax]

just means a lot of saving and patience

[knotty sierra]

thanks

[knotty sierra]

Mhm 😭😭

[storm lantern]

well upkeeping an account is a lot less effort than a new one, you could make a new one to see if you'd rather have the income while still logging in to your old one

you haven't hit breakthrough yet so abyss shouldn't take up much time

[knotty sierra]

Noted

[hearty sequoia]

Can someone explain how i complete the last part i have? Do i have to stay above Q-manifold: original sin or what? Because am already above it but i think am gonna move back to Q-Manifold original sin. Will that mean i cant complete it

[dry python]

"original sin or above"

[lyric anvil]

Old text

[timber spindle]

how do supports work in this game? i saw a lot of dps that also were top supports in other teams

[lone crater]

bad translation

[lyric anvil]

Isn't it still called Sinful in Q-Manifold?

[lone crater]

they apply a buff

if u want to specifically see how buffs can be applied then tutorial is ur best friend

[lyric anvil]

Reading if you feel like doing that also

[hearty sequoia]

Still need help in this cs i dont understand how to complete it

[shell basin]

You can just do it next abyss

There’s no time limit

But depending on what you’re doing in abyss and what units you have there is a pretty good chance you can promote

What are you trying?

Units wise

And where are you struggling

[hearty sequoia]

am mainly aiming to js retained. It seems easier

but idk how it works, if it would say completed after the abyss ends

[shell basin]

It’s a question of what floor you cleared and what timer

If you have all the rewards you’re maintaining, if you don’t you might not

Screenshot your abyss results?

[hearty sequoia]

alr

This?

[shell basin]

Yeah unless you improve your scores you aren’t going to get that this cycle

Your choices are to either get it next cycle or improve your teams / rot and get a better score this one

What battlesuits are you using for the abyss?

I advise trying to improve your score since that’s free crystals

But if you don’t have time for it you can accept the result

[hearty sequoia]

Elysia, since shes the only valk thats properly built, the rest arent built properly yet

[hearty sequoia]

So i wont be able to complete that quest thingy?

[shell basin]

Well not for another few days

There’s 2 abysses a week, you can just do it next time

[cold niche]

I couldn’t get paw but should I try to pull vita? Or just wait for 8.5?

[shell basin]

I would skip vita, 8.4 is a better vita mostly unless you have some early p2 teams to support, but if you’re really poor you could save for 8.5 too

[hearty sequoia]

ah alright

[shell basin]

I’d advise trying to see about building coralie (Valkyrie Blastmetal), she’s probably the strongest free unit you have access too

Since you also get her weapon for free from part 2 story

[cold niche]

I’ll prob save them I only got the free people rn.

I’m at 34 pity on character

[shell basin]

And no crystals / one time sources saves? Yeah that’s dire, save until you’re less poor

8.4 is a good pull but not if you can’t get her weapon

[cold niche]

I have the starter manual rn

For 50 ish more days

[shell basin]

Oh. Then I’d try and clear more story to get enough to pull 8.4

[storm lantern]

i mean if you're on a new account and didn't pull paws getting 8.4 and 8.5 should be doable

[shell basin]

Free coralie can support 8.4 pretty well

And then 8.4 will help you support 8.5

If you play actively you should have no problems rolling both if you have starter manual

At worst you’ll miss a bit of shill

[cold niche]

Yea I’ll be free for at least a month if not more

So just to make sure I should pull vita on the current banner and try to get her weapon and then save until 8.5?

[shell basin]

No. 8.4 opens in 9 days

[storm lantern]

no lol

[shell basin]

It’s new coralie, it’s a better vita for you

If you really like Vita as a character she’s not the worst pull imaginable but she can’t support new units going forward anywhere near as well and is weaker

[cold niche]

Ohh is it 8.3 rn?

[shell basin]

Yeah

[cold niche]

I’m way out of the loop 😭 🥀

[shell basin]

Nw

Just glad we were able to clear that up

You’ll want “behold: fate defying dragon”+wep when her banner goes up

[cold niche]

Ohhh ok ok makes sense tyyyy

🫶

Finally got hi3 to fit on my phone

[storm lantern]

huge

[lyric anvil]

Sheesh you have a lot of photos

[cold niche]

I am a photo hoarder

I need to transfer them to my pc

[abstract sequoia]

then better now before you drop your phone and they're gone forever

[wet ridge]

Hello I’m having a weird problem

And I just started playing today I’m only in the beginning following the guide part

[shell basin]

What’s the issue?

[wet ridge]

The issue was that I was in the part where it was telling me to enhance bronyas weapon as a tutorial

But when I enhanced it it kept on sending me back to the page even though I already did it

[shell basin]

I’d try reloading the game, or possibly just seeing if I could enhance it again

[wet ridge]

Yes I did enhance it again I thought I had to enhance it until max level but even when I wasted all my coins it still kept doing it

Oh it’s fine now it got back to normal but yeah even when I refreshed and got back it still made me do the same thing

[wet ridge]

What would be some helpful characters to build as a new player?

[storm lantern]

#👶beginner-help message

[wraith brook]

how can i brutforce it?

Sry i try Ely but look like Vita better, but not enough

[slim blaze]

Wdym brute force vita best team

[slim blaze]

Some things to comment on. Are you familiar with the vita rot?

Based on the picture, no buffs from coralie

[wraith brook]

oh

that no sense bc alredt time out

not sure about right rota

i can record whole stage but too long guess

[wraith brook]

dont game recomend Ely with Thelema?

i dont know about best team sry

sry

[slim blaze]

Oh sorry. Thought you meant the boss. Anyways for the side stage

You gotta dodge then remove the stacks

[abstract sequoia]

clearing the hitcount is enough, hitting it with vita is just awkward

as soon as the shield regens, you wont be able to get a hit off anymore

despite of the suggestions, do not use ely. its a slug

only thelema lead clears this easily

[sweet flax]

Ely is type countered you'd never use her

[abstract sequoia]

yea thats why

and her rime isnt worth it

[wraith brook]

i know but look like i cant do enought dmg with vita then
then its just me bad

[wraith brook]

rime?

[abstract sequoia]

the thing that stacks before enemies will be frozen

[abstract sequoia]

just keep your buffs up, i see neither hofi nor vbm buffs on that screenshot

[wraith brook]

but we cant see hofi buff,only on herself
and that i have not such dmg to destroy it in 10 sec i deside to make screenshot and ask here
thansk u

[abstract sequoia]

25 seconds, 5 seconds before coralie buffs expire

[wraith brook]

[abstract sequoia]

you can try to rely on cora's buff icon this way

[lyric anvil]

Having troubles trying with PAWS dps on that stage

[wraith brook]

sry dont understnad what u about

[abstract sequoia]

you know coralie has a buff icon right?

[wraith brook]

yes

[abstract sequoia]

that shows while on vita

[wraith brook]

and next?

[abstract sequoia]

many of coralie's buffs including those 3 stacks in the icon last 25 seconds

i read a bit into it right now, only tsiolkovsky's buffs last 5 seconds longer. so you can actually directly know when hofi buffs expire

just assume when the cora buff icon gone that hofi buffs are also gone

best case scenario would be that you refresh coralie stacks before the 3 stacks wear off, so you only have to burn 1 stack on her weapon bar

you do this best by swapping into her mid-air, slamming into an enemy with WA which gives her one stack when it hits. it burns that stack and also refreshes serious breakdown

[wraith brook]

know about taht

[sweet flax]

I can record my run if you want, but idk if 825 is a good score

[abstract sequoia]

alright, try it then

[wraith brook]

not read last msg

[abstract sequoia]

[wraith brook]

we talk about that stage rn
but not sure if ican do 825 or almost that number

[sweet flax]

to be fair you could start with cora and re-apply buffs via entering so

[sweet flax]

ohhhh side stage

[wraith brook]

and guess i need just not such big score or i dead

there

[abstract sequoia]

this is about reapplying the buffs later

when SO wears off

[wraith brook]

U mean AO?

[sweet flax]

nah ram I thought you were talking about main stage

[abstract sequoia]

nah

[sweet flax]

holy slacc

[abstract sequoia]

its the annoying rime ninja side stage

[abstract sequoia]

another note, if coralie already has 1 stack if you swap in, you burn that stack mid-air instead if you WA, not refreshing "a serious breakdown" properly. use BA instead in that case

[wraith brook]

well if i go nirvana i barely can do 3 stage just for crystal and not have any astralOP and much valk for that,
even if teammate or someone say else there no need ASTRALop, mostly players have and i too bad for sweet gameplay and otther factors

[sweet flax]

did he turn off qte?

[abstract sequoia]

i assume yes

[wraith brook]

not understand what u about much

[abstract sequoia]

imagine cora has 1/5 stacks when you swap her in

[wraith brook]

only know part about swap on coralie when u on vita and then press WA to refresh it buff but

[abstract sequoia]

if you follow my advice here, you'd use that stack mid-air, causing her to spin instead of slamming down immediately

[abstract sequoia]

and in order to refresh "A Serious Breakdown", you need to burn a stack on the ground

[wraith brook]

no i jsut need record that to undestand did i undestand u right or no

[abstract sequoia]

yea go ahead

[wraith brook]

sry

[abstract sequoia]

it's alright, coralie has many buffs attached to her

it got me confused at first

i'm just trying to tell you something that I only understood months later

[wraith brook]

still dont undestand how to aplie 3rd stack without basic+wa

[abstract sequoia]

you don't at the beginning, but you refresh the stack counter after SO so the 3 stacks don't fall off

an alternative is using ult, but you need to hit an enemy

[wraith brook]

no i mean in Beginin

[abstract sequoia]

there i'd just do 2 stacks

and stack SO asap

[wraith brook]

when we use WA kiana an then after do 2 stack with WA in mid-air? and thne somehow need no evade get stuck and use it
somehow like that?
dont remeber how teammate talk about it

[wraith brook]

if we not?

[shell basin]

You can ult into no enemies -> jump basic wa and if you time it right this will often serious hammering enemies just as they spawn

[abstract sequoia]

.

[shell basin]

That’s not always worth it but you can do it

[abstract sequoia]

yea sure

idk the enemy spawn timing there but probably the least complicated

[spiral badge]

The 3 stacks you see above her hp bar comes from a skill in the passive section. You get one stack from either

• triggering weapon active in any way.
  • for later rotations when you need to refresh both her buff and debuff at the same time you would do this by swapping in coralie > jump of you're not already in mid air > basic attack to slam to the ground > weapon for the thumping finisher
• casting ult maxed you out at 3 stacks. Often done at the start in abyss
• entering stellar outburst

I am being redundant here with what ram already said but hopefully that makes it more clear

[spiral badge]

If this is arena or if any other reason at the start you can't ult then....

Because coralie starts with two weapon uses, consume them before the enemy spawns. Then when the enemy spawns >jump>basic(restore one weapon)>consume weapon on thumping finisher for third buff stack and also to debuff (and stellar drain for astral energy)

Oh wait that's what qtess was saying lol

[abstract sequoia]

no stack when on the ground, and you didnt even stomp

[spiral badge]

You shouldn't ever be spinning in the air. Don't do air weapon

[vagrant iris]

Does anybody know some good beginner teams

[spiral badge]

You really only see that if you're about to run out of buff time and have extra weapon uses

And can spare the time for the longer animation

[abstract sequoia]

see this skill, the stomp only does the debuff with a stack on the ground

[spiral badge]

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

The teams here are temporary and cheap so you can save up for future gacha valks

[abstract sequoia]

said debuff for clarification

TDT is one of the more impactful buffs, thats why it's especially important to always keep it up

[spiral badge]

Is there any confusion?

[wraith brook]

completely

[spiral badge]

Ok please explain

[abstract sequoia]

confusion about reapplying coralie buffs mostly

[wraith brook]

idk how sry

[abstract sequoia]

they need to do it many times for rime side stage with the hitcount shield ninja that wastes a lot of time

[wraith brook]

guess i do whole wrong no only reapplying

[abstract sequoia]

only rime they have is HoH, not ideal with being type countered and the rime isnt even good on her

[sweet flax]

wouldnt hofi wa > coralie qte be fine for his case? it wont increase vita qte cd as long as hofi qte is off and makes applying the buffs easier

[abstract sequoia]

qte on is easier, but i feel the learning curve to do it without isn't much

[shell basin]

Coralie QTE means she takes a bit longer to provide a serious hammering. It’s a bit easier to do but weaker in the end

[abstract sequoia]

its always a time loss

[sweet flax]

his goal is to clear the side stage, not top score

[shell basin]

Might be fine for a side stage tho

[sweet flax]

I dont see the drawbacks of turning on qte

[shell basin]

And certainly better than not having buffs up

[sweet flax]

turn off hofi qte, turn on vbm qte
start with coralie 2 wa > jump basic wa when enemies spawn > hofi wa > vita rot > (repeat point) hofi wa > vbm qte + wa until she smashes the ground > vita qte > repeat from hofi wa

[abstract sequoia]

just skip the last stack, go for CA on vita. when you SO, you regain all buffs with 3 stacks anyway

[spiral badge]

Qte for coralie overall isn't recommended but if you want something slightly simpler and can work then you can try what asumara is saying for now

But if you want to learn properly for other future best performance we can discuss more

https://youtu.be/ogurzBPHkhI

Maybe you can observe how i use coralie here

[wraith brook]

who is vbm
but i dont have stack to do WA jump no? - start with coralie 2 wa > jump wa when enemies spawn

oh and i frogto about turnf off hofi qte

[spiral badge]

Ignore sushang ults. I don't use it correctly it here

[spiral badge]

Vbm is Valkyrie blast metal (coralie). In the future please use pinned glossary

[wraith brook]

sry
so we dont use ?

[spiral badge]

My video actually covers the part you're quoting

[spiral badge]

We didn't say that

[abstract sequoia]

if i say bronya in a gameplay context, you have no clue which battlesuit i mean

[wraith brook]

i mean u use vbm isntead

[sweet flax]

vbm is coralie....

[spiral badge]

Next patch coralie is getting a new battle suit so we can't say coralie anymore

Since it won't be clear which coralie we are referring to

[abstract sequoia]

and both can be used in the same team, which would confuse things even more

[spiral badge]

So start getting used to saying vbm or fdd

[abstract sequoia]

can also just say dragoon tbh

i think ppl would also understand that it's fdd

[wraith brook]

fdd?

[wraith brook]

sry just always say coralie

[spiral badge]

Shrug. Informally maybe. But abbreviations are also more standardized too and there will be people who won't understand one or the other

[spiral badge]

We just explained to you the problem about this in the near future

Check pins in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[abstract sequoia]

pins does not have her name

[spiral badge]

It'll at least show the new coralie

[lyric anvil]

#hi3-twitter-feed

[abstract sequoia]

ah, Fate Defying Dragon

[spiral badge]

#hi3-twitter-feed message

The specific post

Anyway fdd next patch and vbm will both be coralie

Enough digressing. Just want to make sure you become aware. But for now let's focus on regular coralie(vbm)

[wraith brook]

so, dont u get 3 stack?
and what that move it begining?

oh well, i dont undestand move after that.

[spiral badge]

I explained it here

You can see the third stack right before she swaps out

[abstract sequoia]

to summarize, WA 2x, BA once for the uppercut and +1 stack if enemy gets hit > jump > WA for the final stack and stomp

[spiral badge]

Quality is bad so sorry about that but you can see the icon on the left blink and restore duration

[wraith brook]

so at begining we always just do 2 WA and then jump - basick - WA
for refresh in mid-air Bascik-WA?

[spiral badge]

Go back and read what i said again. I didn't say to always do this

[wraith brook]

sry just want be sure i see its all right

[spiral badge]

Only if you don't have sp and cannot outburst right away

[abstract sequoia]

there's plenty of coralie openers, not one deadset one. its just enemy dependant which is optimal

[spiral badge]

If you have the sp (abyss) then you can start with ultimate instead

[wraith brook]

sry for such big trouble

[spiral badge]

Or if vita can restore enough astral ring energy early then you can enter outburst. Outburst applies pretty much all of coralies effects

It's ok. We understand coralie is a complicated character and English isn't your primary language

[abstract sequoia]

thats why the entire help section exists

[wraith brook]

guess i better record again to make sure i uderstand all movmewn right

i know about ult, use it on bird(?)
not sure how boss name

[spiral badge]

https://youtu.be/qkqwd4WZIso

[abstract sequoia]

sprout of wishing

or just sprout

[spiral badge]

Just focus on how they start the fight. Don't look at the entire fight for that video

[wraith brook]

wait, didnt it mean if off?

[spiral badge]

Yeah it was already off in your earlier videos

[wraith brook]

based on that i thought bd of Vita qte Hofi turn on with qte but mb i miss smht

oh sry

[abstract sequoia]

hofi and vbm qte off, vita qte on

[spiral badge]

But the problem in your videos is that when you swap in coralie mid air you started with weapon instead of basic attack

[abstract sequoia]

you did the qte toggles right already

[spiral badge]

https://youtu.be/w_QTckjiwuc
this video starts with ult to get to 3 stacks while waiting for boss to spawn. once boss appears it actually skips the debuff thumping attack because it doesnt need the damage from it. it just does a quick ground weapon press to trigger vita qte

[wraith brook]

just remebmer somehow i should regen consum point with evade but never cant do it

[abstract sequoia]

you should do that with BA instead

[spiral badge]

The mid air basic will restore one

I pointed this out earlier

[abstract sequoia]

evade is never really necessary for this

[wraith brook]

sry
i know it now, just do another combo to 3rd stack

[spiral badge]

It might be hard to get used to but try it out for now. Don't forget you can pause and unpause if you need to think

[wraith brook]

i would and iterest to use pause, but a little hard to rembmer about them

[spiral badge]

But yeah it's

• coralie swap in
• if coralie isn't in the air yet then jump
• air basic (not weapon. No spinning)
  • this part is what you were doing wrong earlier. You were pressing weapon instead of basic attack
• weapon when on ground (thumping animation)

[abstract sequoia]

not sure if you're a notes person, but they help

[spiral badge]

If pausing doesn't work for you then you can ignore that specific advice

[wraith brook]

so we can get buff and other stuff without hiting boss and then use WA skip(with QTE? not sure how say it).

[wraith brook]

I would lern it, but im bad in that

[spiral badge]

Sure. Only if you have enough damage. It's not always going to be relevant

[wraith brook]

so that why - always say to hit it in timing

[spiral badge]

In some cases for that fight when people don't have enough damage people will instead wait for the boss to finish appearing then start the ult so the ult will actually hit

The ult will also apply the same debuff and an extra debuff from her 2pc stigmata effect

[wraith brook]

guess i do same thing, just not sure how good i do it.

[spiral badge]

https://youtu.be/TF_IsP0YSI4

Overall there's a lot of ways to start with vbm (coralie). So learning how she works can help you decide how to do it (or copy some video for a specific matching situation)

[wraith brook]

Sry not understand what u mean in point?

[abstract sequoia]

i just mean that you can take notes, like in a textfile or on paper

for the button inputs you have to do for example

[spiral badge]

You can copy this to notepad program and then look at it before starting your run or pausing during a fight for example

[wraith brook]

oh, probably need to make another channel for this.
i start do notes channel not far.
preffer pc since i sue it whole time and dc,
but im out of toopic sry

[spiral badge]

Yeah that works. Whatever that suits you

Anyway all those four videos are how to start with coralie to get her 3 stack buff and/or her debuffs if needed

[spiral badge]

This video is for when you need to swap in coralie again in later team rotations to refresh her effects before they expire and run out

If outburst (big blue button) is almost ready then it can be ok to let the coralie effects run out. Outburst will refresh everything to full stacks without needing to spend time on coralie attacking

[wraith brook]

thanks

[spiral badge]

Feel free to show us how you change your playing or continue asking for more help

[wraith brook]

want ask, how u do point?

[spiral badge]

Hyphen and space

[abstract sequoia]

- Like this
- and this

[spiral badge]

For the secondary (nested) point then it is double space, hyphen, space

[wraith brook]

thank againg.

[spiral badge]

• test
  • nesting test

[abstract sequoia]

its simple markdown syntax for the most part

[spiral badge]

Yeah discord has a page about markdown that you can Google and learn from

[abstract sequoia]

to ignore autoconvert of markdown, do a \ in front of the symbol you dont want to be formatted

[spiral badge]

Good to know

[wraith brook]

[abstract sequoia]

yea, really handy especially if you do things like mention 2 elf ranks in one line and it'd make that text between those italic

[spiral badge]

Really hitting home with that one for me lmao

[abstract sequoia]

not just you

[wraith brook]

so, do i do it right for now?

[abstract sequoia]

yep that's good

just a slight delay at the beginning with the 3rd stack, but just a minor time loss

[spiral badge]

Yeah that mostly matches with what were talking about. (no need for the uppercut though)

For this particular scenario i think a different opener can be better. But i assume this is just to show what you will do later

[wraith brook]

i did slow basick, wa or whole timing?

uppercut ?

[spiral badge]

I should not see this attack

[abstract sequoia]

just the time at around 0:16 where you stopped for a bit. you can already jump into the air at that point

[spiral badge]

Look back at this video

[wraith brook]

oh i see

[spiral badge]

Every action in hi3 tends to have a purpose or reason

Optimization is often about removing what we don't need

or also adding in things we do need

until we find a best fit of damage to the boss or enemy's hp

[wraith brook]

oh guess i uderstand what that was
3rd press WA, need to used for rotation

[spiral badge]

The actual 3rd wa happens later after coralie slams to the ground from the air

And you don't have any meter to consume for the uppercut to mean anything either

[spiral badge]

Coralie only starts with 2 dots

We consume them at the start to zero

Then we jump and basic to slam down at the enemy. This restores another dot on the meter (also called KE for kinetic energy)

Then we use wa again to consume the one we just got

---

Actually wait i think the uppercut is not from wa. It's because you pressed basic when on the ground as your third attack

Sorry for the confusion but overall don't do the uppercut rising attack

It's not doing anything useful and it is just costing time. So remove it to optimize

[wraith brook]

all fine, just need adjust to this opnening now. and guess its wa i can check it later

[spiral badge]

The main two openers I'm thinking about are to use vita to outburst asap as ram was saying (might need teri astral op? Not recommended to spend crystals on.)

Or just start with vbm ult

Maybe hofi can go before or after the ult too. Not sure

Hofi can gather and gives a slight 10%tdm buff if it hits, but usually we don't care about that

---

One last suggestion i have before i go. If vita main dps doesn't work for this stage, try using a LoA leader and use reverist calico (pardo felis) as a support so you can freeze

[abstract sequoia]

her sig weapon drain bonus is enough, just need to drain on coralie

[spiral badge]

I'm assuming you don't have thelema. If you do then use her as a dps or hohe support

[wraith brook]

i do it.

[spiral badge]

Oh nice

[abstract sequoia]

[wraith brook]

no dont have sadly, slack man(me)

[spiral badge]

Hi3 on a limited budget/roster is more learning how to get the best with what you have

Anyway well done

[wraith brook]

well, i jsut drop game about 3 times?
start play it in 2021 about m
after collab with genshing impact

And still not clear mostly chapter. but that no reason not get erly valks, but slack

[spiral badge]

Try to maintain crystal income the best you can is all i can say.

Mainly abyss and elysian realm

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

But yeah your personal enjoyment is most important so don't be afraid to cut down on activities or even stop for a while

[abstract sequoia]

learned more from that time period than when I had complete teams

[spiral badge]

Yeah. Better than blindly copying refs

[abstract sequoia]

definitely

[wraith brook]

even that thing going hard for me. sometimes

[spiral badge]

And more forces you to do so. (technically you can still learn well from copying if you take the time to study and check each action in it, experiment andel deviate, etc)

[spiral badge]

Some refs can do things that are very hard to see. You can always link and ask about it here too

Just like how we talk about the third stack in my video earlier

[wraith brook]

guess i very bad at obesrving, so i need text variotion and then repeat that, to understand how to going

[spiral badge]

It takes time overall

And you definitely improved with results today

[wraith brook]

Thanks

[spiral badge]

Anyway I'll hop off now. If you still need help with anything else feel free to keep asking

[upbeat egret]

What i always said

[spiral badge]

Yeah. Blindly being the key word

[wraith brook]

Can we dodge Wolf with coralie?

[spiral badge]

I actually don't feel we were making progress until i posted the videos but at that point we were breaking it down mind fully

[spiral badge]

I don't see any reason for you to do that but technically you can?

Maybe you're talking about parrying (attacking) wolf in transition? Coralie can do it but hofi is simpler probably

[sweet flax]

hofi can be a bit of a mess if you do consecutive attacks, just be mindful of that

actually might just be fps dependant

[spiral badge]

Yeah i just do basic 1 2 then evade to reset for each of the three attacks the wolf does

[upbeat egret]

Nah hofi is fine

Even at low fps

[abstract sequoia]

hofi is easier with most of her attacks

[sweet flax]

meant higher, but I guess I just got bugged or smth

[upbeat egret]

Coralie is also easy...you just need to spam weapon and you are done

[spiral badge]

Coralie basic attacks are kinda delayed so you may need to start them early to parry

[upbeat egret]

Timing issue imo

[spiral badge]

Oh ok lmao

[abstract sequoia]

more error prone i'd say

[sweet flax]

it happened once or twice in like 10 different attempts, im p sure if it was a skill issue i'd notice

[upbeat egret]

Probably

[upbeat egret]

???

[abstract sequoia]

her attacks are still slower and if you do the slam dunk before andrius 3rd attack you're stuck in an animation

assuming you just mash weapon

[wraith brook]

yes, just
idk why i want to dodge it with Vbm, its no reason until i use AO in p2

[abstract sequoia]

it looks cool

repel ice doggo with hammer

[spiral badge]

Maybe provide an example and elaborate the specific way you're doing it.

[upbeat egret]

Okay

[wraith brook]

so that why I parried only 1 attack with wa and zero with basick

[abstract sequoia]

when i used to use cora for parrying, i always did it with the 2nd attack sequence

[wraith brook]

[abstract sequoia]

that usually worked for me, always using the first attack earlier

as soon as you hear the attack hit cue

[wraith brook]

sometimes i do evade too erly isntead of wait 1 sec

Well just do it with Hofi guess
and need fing more optimize opening

very bad guess

[upbeat egret]

@sweet flax

Were you doing something like this?

[sweet flax]

no

[upbeat egret]

I guess you can try

@abstract sequoia

Like you can see i ended transition at the same time 922

Same as hofi

[wraith brook]

we use AO in 1st phase?

[upbeat egret]

In RL.probably not

[sweet flax]

definitely not in rl

[wraith brook]

[wraith brook]

that no same timing for rl?

[upbeat egret]

With hofi should be the same

[wraith brook]

bruh

[upbeat egret]

Hofi should be easier i think

[sweet flax]

btw do you lead with coralie ult when you start the run

idk if I should be doing that but I keep ulting frame 1 that the boss spawns

[wraith brook]

then im too slow or bad

[wraith brook]

?

[sweet flax]

was asking asaphie

[wraith brook]

oh

[upbeat egret]

Are you in rl asu?

[sweet flax]

I have 0 clue if coralie ult opener is good

ye rl

[wraith brook]

how much u have?

[sweet flax]

how much what?

[wraith brook]

score

[sweet flax]

825

[autumn oxide]

i mean i clear p1 at 950

[wraith brook]

then its my skill issue

[autumn oxide]

end run at 830

[wraith brook]

how u do that

[sweet flax]

you should record your run it can be a very minor mistake that costs you time after all

[autumn oxide]

cant be that hard on glb let me try rq

[upbeat egret]

Like vita transform-> hofi weapon-> coralie ult+weapon-> vita qte

@sweet flax are u already doing that?

[sweet flax]

wait cora ult + wa?

[autumn oxide]

to proc vita qte yea

[upbeat egret]

Yes

[sweet flax]

oh

[wraith brook]

forgot about hat

[sweet flax]

well I do vita qte

[autumn oxide]

im doing vita transform -> cora wa ult wa -> hfi wa for my run tho

[sweet flax]

same idea then

[upbeat egret]

Is it faster?

[autumn oxide]

slower but more damage

[wraith brook]

not just me so bad

[autumn oxide]

both end p1 around 950 so no diff for me

[upbeat egret]

Should be the same i think

Maybe asu can try both ways and give a confirmation?

[sweet flax]

ill try I guess

[upbeat egret]

Okay thanks

[autumn oxide]

oh its actually disgusting how much more damage im doing on glb

[wraith brook]

guess it more than jsut minor mistake -759

[sweet flax]

a minor mistake that can cost you a second is already -3 points

add them up and it becomes a major time loss

[upbeat egret]

Maybe you can record your run and we can help you to improve if you want

We will get a better idea 💡

[autumn oxide]

finish p1 951

[upbeat egret]

What about the other way?

[autumn oxide]

same

[wraith brook]

blew
alredy try to record it

[sweet flax]

oh ye, what ao are you guys using

idk whether s teri, 3* kiaelf or ss ds would be best here

[autumn oxide]

kia4 on na, ss sonk on sea

ss sonk does completely jack here

gonna try ds to prove a point

[wraith brook]

ds ss
only option

[upbeat egret]

I guess you can try either s teri or ss DS? I saw 712 with S teri in nirvana.. dunno about DS ...but you can tell us

[autumn oxide]

ss ds

[sweet flax]

hofi wa > coralie ult + wa is slightly faster, but they both ended same time

at least for my run

[autumn oxide]

"slightly faster but ended same time"

[sweet flax]

trust me I know how stupid it sounds

but when I ended with cora > hofi it was on 843
when I ended with hofi > cora it was on 844 and then immediately ticked to 843

[upbeat egret]

Yeah I was also pretty sure but I wanted confirmation..thx anyway

[sweet flax]

like a fraction of a second faster

[upbeat egret]

Yeah it was an late 844 and a high 843

Sometime it feels the same

[sweet flax]

anyways imma go try different aos

[upbeat egret]

This is the reason you sometime need checkpoint in the middle of the run

[autumn oxide]

kia4

[upbeat egret]

Better than DS?

Oh 11 points higher

[wraith brook]

that was close

Try to upload, but hwo ping?

[sweet flax]

s teri 824
ss ds 823-825 cant get it to be consistent but its always within that range
3* kiaelf 826

basically the same

[wraith brook]

how we name the wolf?

[sweet flax]

name the wolf?

wdym

[wraith brook]

him

[sweet flax]

like what's his actual name?

[autumn oxide]

andrius

[wraith brook]

not sure, but istnead full name or jsut wolf

[sweet flax]

well as mentioned, andrius is the boss' name in genshin (where he came from)
otherwise people just refer to it as "wolf" boss

boss names dont really make a difference as long as its clear who you are referring to

[wraith brook]

oh

i forgto to cut video

[autumn oxide]

s teri

https://medal.tv/clips/kT8TR1wfxGeOPpICo

828 ds

[wraith brook]

https://youtu.be/fXPNbtG70J8?si=QjQvylkN5HqkzEiw

[autumn oxide]

ok yea whats that opening holy shit so much score wasted

[autumn oxide]

theres no need for the hfi eva

and u dont need to wait till dog spawns before u cora ult

https://medal.tv/clips/kT91RclAYar6N55Ny

[wraith brook]

ye that bad, guess i want press WA or its bc of pause.

[autumn oxide]

im on vita at 987

[wraith brook]

?

[autumn oxide]

ure on vita at 979

around 10 points lost and thats only opening

[wraith brook]

idk how to be faster sry

[autumn oxide]

.

[wraith brook]

oh again cant load .

how u so fast skip wa?

on coralie

[autumn oxide]

https://medal.tv/clips/kT95jN5QNUJ-gruPB

951 p1 with ur opening

[autumn oxide]

i just press wa and then swap off

i dont wait till i see the anim, im looking at buff icon the moment i see it refresh im qteing off

[autumn oxide]

ds

[wraith brook]

guess i cant go futher sinse i cant skip coralie wa

[autumn oxide]

huh

even if u cant just do the run again and not eva on hfi

u evaing on hfi AND waiting for dog to spawn before cora ulting is wasting so much time

[wraith brook]

oh

i didnt see that

still bad

I dont know why in that try i dodge in hofi, i guess u about pre phase

[cedar gale]

Dose kiana have any good battel suits?

[wraith brook]

how can i cancel score?
*dont want in nirvana

oh

im idiot gg

[quick birch]

fiery wishing star, though looking at it from a meta perspective there are better chars to invest into

since you generally want to only pull the newest valk of the version

[abstract sequoia]

score low enough on boss or do side stage last, only so far to retain

[wraith brook]

[wraith brook]

i remebmer we can somehow else do it

[abstract sequoia]

ah, too late now

[wraith brook]

but im auot press screen

and still below 800+

[abstract sequoia]

its only those 2 ways. the third is praying enough people are sleepers who outscore you easily (unlikely if you're t1)

[wraith brook]

guess i have lobby of slackers. depen on we have 13 active user

[abstract sequoia]

theres still 9 hours left

some will wake up, but its mostly just one or two who'd have a chance

i didnt get kicked out of +100 yet when I t1'd

[wraith brook]

they all have t2 adn then t3

[abstract sequoia]

yep

[wraith brook]

ok there no fear to iprome more guess

[abstract sequoia]

the opposite actually

[wraith brook]

?

[abstract sequoia]

most in RL are slackers who score poorly and dont bother overoptimising their runs

[abstract sequoia]

either out of fear for nirvana or because they genuinely have skill issue

rank pullers aren't automatically better

[wraith brook]

why i hear about 3 dodge but they not work

[sweet flax]

its eu, we already know the reason

[abstract sequoia]

3 dodge?

[wraith brook]

[wraith brook]

melle parry

[abstract sequoia]

that aside, I genuinely think fear of nirvana is still a huge factor

they get their first taste or two, but dont bother promoting anymore after getting kicked down brutally

[wraith brook]

waht should i do

[abstract sequoia]

i mean have you got lantern?

for next cycle

[sweet flax]

oo I managed to get a 834

[wraith brook]

no

[abstract sequoia]

yeah then you can only really do the stages and sleep

[wraith brook]

from where
not such lucky to get any valk on free puls

[abstract sequoia]

release i guess

[upbeat egret]

Back then we were promoting to nirvana even when we knew that we don't have a chance to retain..but we wanted to taste the difficulty and back then it was even worse since top 5 was +100 and the rest -200

[abstract sequoia]

i didn't get her either

[upbeat egret]

I am waiting you in nirvana..dalao

[ancient needle]

That just sounds like an uneducated decision

[wraith brook]

?

[upbeat egret]

Wait why did I never see you in nirvana before asu?

[ancient needle]

But ye, it's a rite of passing of sorts

[ancient needle]

Who?

Oh, Ram

[abstract sequoia]

i don't see this spirit in here enough sadly, mostly the opposite view of RL slackers who could be better but don't bother learning enough

[wraith brook]

.

[sweet flax]

not gonna promo to nirv this patch, gonna wait for next

I dont have paws im not gonna bother

[abstract sequoia]

wait me?

[wraith brook]

[upbeat egret]

No ... for me it was a good challenge to fight and demote than slack in RL and doing nothing tbh.... RL was too boring for me

[upbeat egret]

Asumara i mean

[wraith brook]

oh and what i mean. im out of VBM buff

[abstract sequoia]

that's literally my current position

i just pick my cycles wisely

[cedar gale]

Thank you i mostly wana use kianas suits cuz shes my fav charecter

[wraith brook]

adn that always end on clear

[sweet flax]

because I only played in nirv during 8.1-8.2 and in 5.2 I dont pull every valk

probs could've been nirv during thel lantern days but I came back from hiatus and was sinful 1

[upbeat egret]

I hope I will see you more then in the future... come and join us... even @quick birch is missing you

[quick birch]

can't miss someone if i never saw em in nirbanan

[abstract sequoia]

be honest, how much do i still need to finally go to nirb jail

[sweet flax]

:c but I was t100 during spookle weather

[wraith brook]

guess im too slow there

[quick birch]

i was RL in spookle weather

[sweet flax]

😔

[abstract sequoia]

same c:

beat up kosma good

[upbeat egret]

What jail? Aren't you nirvana this cycle?

[wraith brook]

sry what i iterput

[abstract sequoia]

yea, but im still bouncing. i meant semi-permanent retain

[ancient needle]

You need more of the old meta to die off

And more dkeys ofc

[lilac reef]

asaphie you're looking a bit yellow today too

[abstract sequoia]

im only missing 30 atk

[quick birch]

hes asapepe now

[cedar gale]

Are there good coralie battel suits since you sayd i should invest in newer suits

[quick birch]

yes the one coming out next version

but normal coralie is also really good for beginners since you lack other options

[cedar gale]

Ok il have to save up for her

I have hov got it for playing as a beginer 3 yeras ago

[upbeat egret]

Oh first time I am seeing you here

[upbeat egret]

I think you only need some aop in your case

[cedar gale]

Also srry if im bothering but how do i acces the part 1 story i know i didnt finish it but i cant find it it only puts me in the part 2 story

[lilac reef]

am redlotus now so I peek here for RL stuff

[upbeat egret]

[quick birch]

i assume returnee account ?

[cedar gale]

Yup you asummed rigth

[thick bolt]

You exit from the pause menu in p2 open world, after that go Attack -> Start -> Story -> on the side tab "The Moons Origin and Finality"

[cedar gale]

Playd 3 years ago

[cedar gale]

Thx

[sweet flax]

eu gotta be the slaccest region of them all

[quick birch]

have you been introduced to the idea of making a new account already ? beginner rewards are pretty nice and if you don't have a lot on your account you should be able to get everything back in no time

[ancient needle]

T1 go go go

[sweet flax]

vita affixes doo doo

[cedar gale]

I actully grinded a lot back then and have mountains of loot a lot of exp and curency plus the return rewards are also quit good

[wraith brook]

give me ur comrade

[quick birch]

returnee rewards arent good

[upbeat egret]

Go and mald the top 1...make us proud

[quick birch]

it's not a requirement to restart i'd just be easier to get back into the game, fixing old accounts isnt impossible by any means

just be aware that it'll take a lot longer

[cedar gale]

I think il stick with my acc i think itl be mkre fun to continue than to go make a new one

More*

[wraith brook]

799

@upbeat egret did with coralie in pre phase its going better?

sry

[sweet flax]

https://youtu.be/s0AJErcEbP8 to be honest idk what to do (I did make a mistake in this run during the falling rock, if I dont make that mistake its 834 as seen by my best score)

[quick birch]

maybe add an WA before cora ult p1 seemed pretty tight and that could give you a few more points

[sweet flax]

vita wa?

[quick birch]

cora

for weapon passive

[sweet flax]

I use wa right after her ult

does that not count?

[quick birch]

iirc ult only gives 1 out of 3 stacks and wa gives you another one so you end up with 2/3

[sweet flax]

2/3 of these stacks or am I thinking of something else

[quick birch]

weapon passive is something else

no indicator for that

[sweet flax]

hmm

well I do use wa right after the ult (albeit I swap out insta, idk if it needs to connect or just cast)

[ancient needle]

It's not about stacks in this case

[sweet flax]

ye ye I know

[ancient needle]

It's about Eternal Dream duration

[sweet flax]

but i meant I cast a weapon attack after the ult, does that count

[ancient needle]

And I'm saying that to Mango

[sweet flax]

ah ok

[ancient needle]

2 WAs make it last up to 30 secs instead of 15

[sweet flax]

so same rot, just cora wa > ult > wa instead of ult > wa

[ancient needle]

Yes

[sweet flax]

I can try that

I only need to cast it not hit it right? assuming translations arent cooked

[quick birch]

yuh

[quick birch]

ah i see because andrius isnt on field yet so weapon passive doesnt apply right

[ancient needle]

No, it's just cuz you need 2 WAs for max duration

And WA -> ult -> WA is the fastest way

[quick birch]

i think we're talking about seperate things here you mean cora stig 3pc effect right ?

[sweet flax]

still resulted in the same score

[ancient needle]

Yes

[sweet flax]

actually nvm,

[ancient needle]

🔥

The boss is quite RNGish

[quick birch]

yeah i was originally referring to her weapon passive but from what i could gather the WA before ult is only for longer 3pc duration so my point was kinda obsolete

[ancient needle]

It can dodge attacks after all

[sweet flax]

well at least I can say I outscored this

[quick birch]

what the 🐳

[lilac reef]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[sweet flax]

done

[sweet flax]

ye I tried delaying an attack in this run, maybe that was the solution

ill redo the run see if its consistent

[ancient needle]

Do you kill P1 faster with double WA tho

[sweet flax]

same time

[quick birch]

yeah makes sense

[sweet flax]

ye nvm its too rng

one more try would be funny if it ended up being a 841

[quick birch]

actually you could use HoFi WA to block his third attack in transition and then just insta SO on vita

[ancient needle]

Do you do Cora's rot or HoFi WA first

[sweet flax]

same as the video

[ancient needle]

What video

[sweet flax]

the one I sent

except I just added a 2nd wa

[sweet flax]

ill try

[ancient needle]

Cora ult first, all g then

[sweet flax]

ye vita ult > cora wa ult wa > hofi wa > vita qte

[quick birch]

just press WA once you hear the indicator

then you should parry the attack

[sweet flax]

I end up not breaking his shield unless im doing it wrong?

well anyways I think I malded enough

[quick birch]

prob vita qte diff

that took off a pretty good chunk in your vid

[sweet flax]

it did ye

next 2 weathers are lantern fws right?

[quick birch]

yuh

[sweet flax]

hmm... then its fdd

I think I should promo to nirv then

since no paws weather and I will retain next cycle

ah wait fuck nvm I forgot I didnt do last abyss 😭

[quick birch]

💀

[sweet flax]

I mean do you blame me? the only lightning valk I have is vita and she is type countered I just went in, got 200 points for retain rewards and dipped

[quick birch]

not really especially when i heard that the no paws experience is also pretty bad in RL

seems like a lot of people pulled

[sweet flax]

ye

you can tell by the fact that dist went up

a lot of paws pullers in eu rl

the sad thing is all my brackets had skill issue but I couldnt outscore them

[quick birch]

eu gave up on HoHe weathers and chose paws instead

[sweet flax]

lol

my bracket had some down bad hohe simps

[keen solstice]

yall im new to this game, any tips?

[keen solstice]

even tho i played it before but uninstalled it at ch4

[sweet flax]

generally speaking these should be enough to guide you for now, although if this is a returnee account (judging it is since you already played on it before) I would advise you to start on a fresh account instead for the beginner rewards

if you have any more questions the pins in this channel cover a wide variety of FAQs and you can always ask if unsure

[spiral badge]

A lot has changed over the years so treat yourself as new at this point

Oh wait you already are

[sweet flax]

[upbeat egret]

Pro

[keen solstice]

already am because my old account is such a mess

[spiral badge]

Make sure the new account you start actually has starter manual at the bottom of the main screen (beginner event)

It's common for people to try to start an account that isn't actually fresh

Also let us know if you have any specific goals in the game. Some people come in because they really like a particular character and don't care about anything else. This is perfectly ok but will need is to change a lot of advice.

Advice here generally is meta focussed because abyss gives more crystals (gacha currency) that way

[keen solstice]

it does

[spiral badge]

But yeah you can look at what asumara has linked you in the meantime. It's a lot so take your time

[keen solstice]

even switched fro na to eu

i mean from eu to na

is senadina good??

[wintry wharf]

old

out of meta

[keen solstice]

does meta matter that much in here or

[wintry wharf]

it matters only if u make it matter if u play casual / u dun care in losing some gems income is fine

[spiral badge]

You can play through story and events without owning anything

So it really depends on your personal goals

But if you do care about crystals abyss can become half of your weekly income

[keen solstice]

my goal rn is to just finish part 1 without any problems

[spiral badge]

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

Feel free to ignore the meta then. Story will at some point make you play trial characters only

[wintry wharf]

there won't be any in teory even with nothing pulled

[keen solstice]

i see

[spiral badge]

And early story can be handled with free or farm able stuff

[spiral badge]

What you see here P much

Oh sorry for the ping asu

[sweet flax]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/741141022645551186/1405184076138156182/a2zadn.gif?ex=689de726&is=689c95a6&hm=f5262dd4c9a60c4daf8a5d9194dac8701d46d61a7ada85af8c4da1f38fa5a277&=

[spiral badge]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-cat-meme-funny-gif-5689672906158657633

[sweet flax]

need to put the discord ping on that gif

[abstract sequoia]

i see, i guess i will have to go for teri at some point or is it too late

[upbeat egret]

Good question...I don't really think LOA will die soon and keep in mind that 90% of MA strat are LOA( if you care about MA) but for abyss you can try to go for chenchen first and see if you still want teri

Its depend on how competitive you want to be imo

[sweet flax]

I think its better to ignore teri

[spiral badge]

Yeah i would consider chenxue first

[sweet flax]

same thought process will apply to the next ring and the one after

[upbeat egret]

Yeah I said he should go for chenchen first

Then he should think if he really needs teri

[spiral badge]

And just to generally put this out there, this is only being suggested because ram is considering more solidifying their position in the highest abyss tier.

For most general intents and purposes of retaining the semi final tier (red lotus), gacha ops are a luxury and not really necessary

The benefit of going to the highest tier is very minor in gain with much higher demands

[sweet flax]

also if you scroll up a bit more, we literally provided solid evidence that astral ops =/= top score (to add onto what sairaan said)

[dry python]

Chenxue

[prisma oyster]

if i pull next patch valk would breakthrough be doable

[spiral badge]

!faq breakthrough

[small willow]

Breakthrough

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for more information regarding Breaking through to Exalted (Captain Level 81+).

Short Answer:

• It is highly recommended to break through for better rewards, but be aware that it is irreversible!

Also see !faq superstring regarding Exalted Abyss

[spiral badge]

give this a read first if you haven't yet

but yeah if you can pull next patch's valk then you can form a well functioning astral ring team with her as the leader and with PAWS and VBm as supports

don't expect to cover everything with a single team but one well functioning team can put you decently far into abyss as long as you learn to play it well

you may even consider starting breakthrough sooner than later too. Even if you don't have a well functioning astral ring team atm, your abyss placement may not be too different from masters tier

granted i'm personally out of touch with the lower meta of the game so you may want to ask around more

[prisma oyster]

ahh alright alright

[spiral badge]

try taking a look how much you're getting from qmanifold currently

i very loosely would ballpark at agony 2 or agony 1 retain in exalted abyss for now

also i should've asked this first but PAWS has her sig weapon right? you plan to pick up next new valk with her weapon too?

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/1FeA3k8.png

this chart is a bit out of date so ignore most columns except the leftmost cycle column

[prisma oyster]

yes shes fully built

[prisma oyster]

im usually around 7-10 in rl