👶beginner-help

[sweet flax]

Equipment supply for the weapon, any missing stigs after pulling weapon can be crafted, I'm assuming you are already aware that vita isn't a recommendable pull though right

[green gale]

Didn't know I'll stop

[sweet flax]

The valk next patch works similarly to vita albeit she has the tag to support the current new ring GoI and loa

Unlike vita who cant support the new ring (outside leader buff and roo buffs)

[green gale]

I only did 1 pull and got her.

I can still save up she could help since I have no good mech type just base Kiana

[sweet flax]

Well you got her early which is really good, keep in mind that you don't need to pull units for a wide variety of coverage, abyss weather will prioritise newer units, also the valk next patch is a mecha unit as well

Pulling the newer units over time will be enough to slowly build a wider coverage for your account should you find it necessary in the future

[green gale]

Okay thank you I'll keep saving

[quasi iron]

I see that Lunar Vow costs 32 Crystallum in current BP, but battlesuits in Reserve Works only cost 24. If I want her, but it's not urgent, does it make more sense to wait for her to get added to Reserve Works?

[haughty elbow]

yeah but ur gonna need to wait over a year

and by then she will be close to being free

[lyric anvil]

Her weather's likely will be taken by then

[amber finch]

issok luna dkey will save her

[lyric anvil]

That's if she gets one

[amber finch]

she will bc she’s our canon wife

[sweet flax]

what in the cope

[glad ice]

delusion illness

[acoustic ivy]

btw does kiana qte also cast her weapon?

[quick birch]

fws? no

[blissful pebble]

Hi guys, I’m thinking going back to HI3 after 2-3 years-ish offline, is there any newest guide can help me catching up? I look it up on YT but seems a lil bit confused 🙏🏼

[quick birch]

it's mostly the pins here an ask if you have any questionsm, though do check out the faq imma link you in a second

[blissful pebble]

Awe thanks gotta check them out! 🙏🏼

Anyway new account vs returnee — is it still better to have a new acc rather than my old account back?

[glad ice]

yes new acc. part2 makes most of the old stuff useless/outdate so old acc has very few advantage while newbie bonus is huge

[slim blaze]

Mab

Is the assaka bossfight really straightforward

Lel

[glad ice]

straight dps check

no transition mechanic

[kind dust]

hi, I just started the game

is there a way to know an upcoming banner?

[quick birch]

Check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion Pins

[wraith brook]

hi

can o bother u guys?

[shadow gyro]

if u have a question just ask away

[wraith brook]

Im not sure if i can use Elt like that, with vita and Coralie or Kiana
Also players in board use PAWS for 1st sss boss instead PS?

[glad ice]

dudu/hofi can supp Ely for SSS hephaetus

1st boss is FWS boss

SD gate monster lol

[shadow gyro]

first boss at least wants fws and jds so the third is wtv that u have free

[sweet flax]

hofi is not much better than jds who is right there consider jds actually has the ring tag for wod

[glad ice]

and sushang doesnt really has hit count advantage if u are wondering. the hitcount transition is cleared faster with paws than ps

[shadow gyro]

and yeah youll prob use dudu with hohe

[wraith brook]

so not much matter waht i pick PS or PAWS?

oh i see sry

[shadow gyro]

tbh u can go with paws on the first boss so vita is with hohe and wtv on ss doom

so fws jds paws

[quick birch]

FWS/JDS/ps
https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1z9J5z3Eun

[shadow gyro]

hohe lp rs

idk throw what u want on doom lol

[glad ice]

yeah jds has a doom vid

31946

[shadow gyro]

maybe u have a p1 team for doom

[wraith brook]

i cant do that much
And temmate if i remember corretly say that not best idea, use Vita and RS in 1 team.
Not sure why and abuout comditions

[quick birch]

Actually I also have fws/JDS/paws ref with DS if you'd like that

[glad ice]

fws tfm jds

[quick birch]

He probably meant RS DPS

Vita just isn't that great of an RS support

[glad ice]

rs can sup WoD. hohe vita rs/hofi/jds

[shadow gyro]

i would like that actually

[quick birch]

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1A2u5zDEVK/?t=78

[wraith brook]

AnHai told paws do better hitcount
but no sure about where is it

[glad ice]

top player use paws instead of ps for a reason

and from my experience paws is better

[wraith brook]

i dont remeber sadly

[glad ice]

the transition where u have 3 x30 hitcount nodes

[quick birch]

that's the only situations where i could make sense of that statemant RS and vita in one team is totally fine as long as they're both supports and can both support the dps

[wraith brook]

ok i try it, anyway have not much choise

[slim blaze]

Sleep time

[lone crater]

they same score

s0

but otherwise its up to u to use ps or paws

but ps can be used in doom

so if u don't have a team for doom u got ps

[wraith brook]

[wraith brook]

so, my 811 it mostly low

[slim blaze]

Yes

This boss is just dps check no gimmicks

I think EU can get 850+? Idk

[outer spruce]

something like this

[wraith brook]

cant do more then 811

[wraith brook]

waht is gimmicks?

[lone crater]

any mechanics

boss is a dummy in other words, is a sandbag

[wraith brook]

then its my

[slim blaze]

Maybe dkey diff?

Or affixes

[lone crater]

what r we even on rn, idek

[slim blaze]

Discoed

[lone crater]

truege

[hearty sequoia]

is it possible to change the returnee banner?

[quick birch]

they change every version

[hearty sequoia]

ah alr

[wraith brook]

that too but, mb im do not best move to do dmg

[lone crater]

whats the issue rn

abyss ma or wat

[ancient needle]

Next patch's returnee is Thelema btw

So still not good (even though it's slightly better than usual)

Returnee is always garbo

[hearty sequoia]

I have no idea who that is😭

I havent played since 2022

so i forgot everything

[ancient needle]

Yeah, you should show your acc in that case

Valks + weaps + stigs

It might be better to make a new one

[ancient needle]

(it very likely is, but gotta make sure)

[hearty sequoia]

Should i show my valks then?

[ancient needle]

Valk menu, weap and stig inventories

Purple and golden stuff is enough for the last 2

[wraith brook]

that my max guess

[storm lantern]

1325

[hearty sequoia]

Alrr gimme a sec

is there a way to get aponia btw

[storm lantern]

do u have at least one atk line on each of helias stigs

[wraith brook]

[ancient needle]

Reserve BP (will take a very long while if you don't buy BPs) and Dorm Supply (not reliable at all and not worth spending crystals on)

[wraith brook]

not sure what u mean "one atk line"

[storm lantern]

so yes

holy locks

[hearty sequoia]

This is my valks, idk how to excess the rest

[storm lantern]

why cant this be me

[wraith brook]

waht u mean

waht the holy lock?

[storm lantern]

wafer stabilizer

[hearty sequoia]

If i buy BP, how long could it take?

[storm lantern]

you have a lot

[wraith brook]

oh

[lone crater]

2k runs out pretty fast ngl

[storm lantern]

i wish i had that many

[wraith brook]

i have but, i only can make about 10 times with 3k if use lock

[quick birch]

depends on the tier you buy 1-2 patches

[wraith brook]

since i dont have much to roll, decide better not touch this

[storm lantern]

i doubt its gonna be necessary but you can lock the 22.7 line if you actually need more damage

[hearty sequoia]

How long does each patch take

[storm lantern]

ncc will eventually not be a problem just do your expeditions and if you have excess coins/asterite buy some

[quick birch]

9 weeks +-1

[hearty sequoia]

Is there no other way to get aponia in under one patch

[wraith brook]

not much money guess, one time u buy roll thing, but fast(in 3days?) get out from them(?)
asterit goin to carrol

[quick birch]

no

not one that will guarantee her at least

[hearty sequoia]

wdym guaranteed?

sry am so lost bc i havent played for years😭😭

[quick birch]

you can technically get her in dorm but that needs an insane amount of luck and it's not worth spending crystals there

[ancient needle]

There is Dorm Supply, but the chances you get Aponia specifically from there are extremely low

[wraith brook]

and since i have not much passive buff atk

[hearty sequoia]

It says for me i can get an S-Rank in 23 drops, should i still try?

[quick birch]

no, it's never worth to spend crystals on dorm

[wraith brook]

I get t2 in my board, but sadly i do only 811 when ppl do about 950+

[hearty sequoia]

oh alr, is it basically standard characters or smt

[quick birch]

dorm is basically a graveyard for old charcters

[hearty sequoia]

Ohh

[outer spruce]

retirement home

[storm lantern]

what abyss tier

[wraith brook]

redlotus

[hearty sequoia]

I see🥲

[storm lantern]

[wraith brook]

ye i bad

[storm lantern]

950 how

[wraith brook]

oh

i miss 9 and 8

[storm lantern]

ok thats a normal score lol

[wraith brook]

there

[storm lantern]

clean up your cancels maybe, pretty damage focused cycle though so id not have expectations too high

[wraith brook]

what u mean?

[storm lantern]

are you evade cancelling her ba2

[wraith brook]

what

u about helia?

[storm lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SziORGe9vJQ

[wraith brook]

[outer spruce]

i wouldn't worry about my 851, my stats are slightly higher

[wraith brook]

so im rly "skill issue"

[storm lantern]

i mean if you dont know about it you dont know about it

[slim blaze]

What that. I just use hov knowledge and dodge after ba2

[storm lantern]

you can skip ba2 entirely

[wraith brook]

waht?

[storm lantern]

you didnt know and now you do

[slim blaze]

Ah that one

[wraith brook]

not sure, very bad at eng
and idk sry i stupid

and what ely have to Helia?

[storm lantern]

?

[wraith brook]

what wrong i say?

[storm lantern]

i just dont know what you mean

about ely with helia

like how she buffs?

[wraith brook]

idk, i use ps, but looks like all use ely?

[outer spruce]

no you have her best supports, i use ely because i don't have ps

[storm lantern]

there are contexts where ely is better (cant think of any that are actually helia weathers) but for this abyss ps is better

[wraith brook]

so i still just bad

[rugged compass]

Some tank weather?

[storm lantern]

maybe but you also dont do very much damage on account of your low attack

[wraith brook]

wait, dont u talk about skip ba2?

[shadow gyro]

that would be fire tank (was there a loa tank?)

[rugged compass]

I dunno

[dry python]

animation cancelling

[storm lantern]

you can still evade cancel you just go into the next attack in sequence rather than starting again at ba1

[slim blaze]

Basically. In the middle of doing seq2, u evade to skip it and then attack to go straight to seq 3

[wraith brook]

how i can see it

[storm lantern]

well not in the middle of seq2 you cancel it very early, you kind of just have to get a feel for it

[wraith brook]

oh

[slim blaze]

You can see if it works when you dont see the seq 2.

Like. Ull know when u see it

[wraith brook]

not sure, since i still dont understand waht is SEQ4 and other thing like that
and idk how to see and understand what number attack is going, only know what we skip Vita with WA after 2 basic attack but i know animationt not more

[wraith brook]

it wiouth W?

[shadow gyro]

for the seq part it talks about basic attacks, they have different sequences (attack strings) and you would normally see seq[attack number] used to talk about a specific basic attack

incase i understood your question

[wraith brook]

[slim blaze]

This is what it looks like wuth the swords. I messed up at the end

Damn

I regaining my hands now

[wraith brook]

guess so
thanks

[wraith brook]

thanks guess,
but still looks a little complicated(?) to me

[shadow gyro]

its not necessary if you cant do it
its just a bit faster

you can just do basics until the ult is ready

[wraith brook]

m

U mean bassic attak for SP and then ult?

[shadow gyro]

yeah

you can try it in tactic class tho

would feel easier when u practice it

[slim blaze]

Actually

Why dont u show us ur abyss run

[wraith brook]

abyss is where 1 boss?

[slim blaze]

Mhmm

[wraith brook]

probably need about 15 min

[wraith brook]

https://youtu.be/NMXVwOkdP6Q?si=SbAvYX6ER677Zi2Z not sure if i can ping someone

i try another with skip

not much better

[shadow gyro]

did you try using this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSPtgBz8WbY, you dont need to match this score but as long as you can improve your score that would be better

i do see that in your video you tried the skip but it didnt work

[wraith brook]

no i do it myself

oh and i cant

[shadow gyro]

oh you cant what?

[storm lantern]

easy thing to fix is dont use sushangs second wa outside of stellar outburst except right when the boss spawns, you can also get out of the qte animation faster by spamming wa and the action you actually want to do like ult or swap

[shadow gyro]

oh..

[wraith brook]

srt for ping

[shadow gyro]

well maybe i can share something from bili bili one minute

[wraith brook]

wait

i somehow now manage to

watch it.
didnt work last time

[wraith brook]

about who u QTE talk?

[storm lantern]

sushang

[wraith brook]

oh that was hard

[shadow gyro]

oh good to know!

[wraith brook]

so only ult?

and did it depent on curretn boss or at whole rott no matter wich boss is?

[storm lantern]

outside of outburst and the opener yes

[storm lantern]

no matter which boss

[wraith brook]

ok waht happend here?
did he|she spam ba2+evade and then ult?
and why its not enough ari for AO?

[shadow gyro]

yeah 2 basics, evade, basic ult

[wraith brook]

but how to get enough SP in AO for 3rd ult ?
and guess i get ari erly or it bc PS do WA before boss

[quick birch]

you can insta ult 3x once you enter so then do 3/4 sp regen moves ult 2x WA ult

[wraith brook]

but

there is enough sp
when not use WA on helia, just have alredy 222 for 3rd ult

[quick birch]

huh that's weird

[wraith brook]

oh i miss with "222"

dont know why i would say it

[void mural]

How do I get in the top 10% ugh 😭

All 4/4 but S rank

[quick birch]

you prob could have gotten into top 10% but now it's too late

the valks arent really on the bosses they're supposed to be

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[quick birch]

fws/jds/paws
HoHe/thelema/sena
and on doom you can cook something with PS

[quick birch]

maybe asaka drops an SP pack i dont know for sure though

[wraith brook]

againg missed sp pack
guess i miss every time them
or else i cant explain i mostly always need wa

[quick birch]

you can also do a paws qte between the supports for SP and dmg

i suppose you need the damage anyway

[wraith brook]

how

well it better but imstill bad

[void mural]

[wraith brook]

31

[quick birch]

considering your attack that's already pretty good tbh

[wraith brook]

guess i undestadn what u mena try rn and load up on yt this with skipp me try

[quick birch]

when you go to supports in SO you can -> fws qte -> ult -> paws qte -> sushang qte -> WA -> ult -> back to paws and do her shit

[wraith brook]

well, guess anyone here could do much better mb about 41, but guess depent on my hand and how probabbly chill im guess so.

[quick birch]

the qte regens SP and gives you some dmg

[wraith brook]

yep

but in viedo em

[wraith brook]

there, we do FWS ult in the end before AO, then PAWS(not sure is count much), just a little change rota gues

[quick birch]

ah then that's where he gets his SP

[wraith brook]

oh, that real problem, my kiana go too in cosmos, so cant reach ari from CA

[quick birch]

at the beginning ?

[wraith brook]

probbaly, and have more score then me bc not use CA after can, but do anther ba2 EV+ult x3 times and only then going do thing in FWS and AO

[wraith brook]

ye, that funny how up position is

[quick birch]

then you're doing PS second WA to early try to do it at 996

that should solve it

[wraith brook]

oh ok thank
I think about what i do it too slow, bc not undestand when to jump

guess i alredy need to be in air but
dont fell time

[lone crater]

door try going p1 door if u can instead, can still score okay
heph the same thing go p1 heph, so take out vita and put in sushang
doom try ps sparkle hofi/coralie otherwise also p1 teams

u have a lot of room for 10% btw

and suppose you want to stick with w/e teams you're using, you got a ton of room for improvement for scores

suppose u had all the p1 stuff, you could still score

47808 on door
39893 on heph
31946 on doom

[quick birch]

For me pressing PS' first WA once final floor appears worked pretty solid

[wraith brook]

hm not much more with swap, mb i can kill it with ult

[shell basin]

What is the approximate income of source prisms per patch, ignoring gacha? I’m about to lose my starters manual and its free weekly prism and I’m a bit worried about how long my current stockpile will last

[wraith brook]

so just press wa when its apperar?

[quick birch]

her first one yeah

the second at 996

[wraith brook]

i do it in 995,but guess about reach max
836 in the end

ok can i ask here about event?

[quick birch]

yeah but it's pretty simple collect cabbages -> wait until they regrow -> repeat

[wraith brook]

well is there any plot?

[sweet flax]

the plot is cabbages

[wraith brook]

just want to delete hi3rd for space, guess i have not time to hestitate
and what i want know can i do it all(this and other event) if there says 10 d, so i start it tommorow without worry about what i cant cooletct all items
or its better start to collect cabbage today?

I like cabbage sadly skip about 1-2 time erly them

sry if that not much topic

[quick birch]

you should be able to get everything done even if you start tomorrow though you're already logged in so just collect some cabbages

it takes 5 seconds

[wraith brook]

ok thanks much

how much we need to harvest? all 240 limit?

https://youtu.be/5dyORr0ZYYg?si=BRgFJZfWPFsniHs- final result catch

[shell basin]

if you want to get all rewards starting today you need to harvest 80 cabbages a day for 10 days

and can take exactly one day off

[warm vine]

any suggestions on what to take from the ELF box?

I only have the default fire one

[shell basin]

Typical suggestion is to save it until you have a use case because 2* elves are very weak but if you want to pick one you probably want Kiana

[warm vine]

what would be a usecase?

I use vita thelema and bleed sushang

[quick birch]

2* elfs dont have any use over SS DS in p2 teams

[wraith brook]

tanks

thanks*

[shell basin]

Well for instance the right 4* elf (and sometimes 3* elves) is often better than SS deeamseeker on 1 SO abyss runs

So if you’re like a few points short of retaining or promoting and you saved your box until then and have Enough fragments from another source it could theoretically net you some crystals

[warm vine]

ah I see

makes sense, I think ill hoard it then since it wont do anything useful for now

thanks

[shell basin]

np

[void mural]

With Sushang and Kira should I givd back P1 equipment to HoH? Or keep her new equipment?

[sweet flax]

in p1 hohe defo her old gear

[wraith brook]

how we dodge in begining?

ok i manage to do it

[hearty sequoia]

Is jade knight recommended to get (as a returning player from 2022 )

[thick bolt]

If you're asking in terms of war treasury, then eventually yes since she's unlockable in Elysian Realm (free crystals)
No for any other situation barring potential beginner ice team improvement

[hearty sequoia]

I can get her for free, i js needed to make sure shes worth it as i havent played for years, idk who is good or who is not

[ancient needle]

It's very strongly recommended to make a new acc in your case btw

[ancient needle]

None of the valks in War Treasury are worth getting to actually use

Only for indirect benefits as Star mentioned

[hearty sequoia]

Ah i see

[ancient needle]

For stuff you can use before you get proper gacha valks you can refer to this:

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[ancient needle]

You could get JK for that

[hearty sequoia]

I might js spend some money to build my valks better

[ancient needle]

Making a new acc will help with that too

[shell basin]

If you're already spending money you could make a new acccount and buy the level rush pack to get HoHe, who is the only one you have who isnt free

[hearty sequoia]

Whats HoHe

[hearty sequoia]

How comes

[shell basin]

HoHe is Herrscher of human ego

you only have her old gear and everyone else you have is farmable

[ancient needle]

You don't have anything of note on it

And not having Starter Manual on a lvl 50 acc is tough

[hearty sequoia]

whats starter manual? Like a starter pack or smt?

[wraith brook]

@quick birch dont u have HoHe RS and Vita ref for doom(?)?

[thick bolt]

beginner event, tons of one time crystals, materials and gear
lasts first 90 days for an account

with it a new account can develop more than your current one in 2-3 weeks at most, even more if you're spending and getting the level rush pack for HoHe

returnee pin #👶beginner-help message

[hearty sequoia]

Is it possible to get aponia in a new account then

[sweet flax]

rng from dorm banner until she eventually becomes farmable

[ancient needle]

No, same issues

[wraith brook]

[shell basin]

If you want her eventually just roll dorm enough and you'll get her, or she'll get added to WT. If you want her quickly you can reroll for her ig

[wraith brook]

we gets ranks on ER only if have she Alredy?

[shell basin]

yeah you have to own the battlesuit to get stamps

except for HoR for some reason but you can only get 4

[ancient needle]

Rerolling for Apo is crazy tbh

Crazy low chances

Eh, maybe not

[shell basin]

guarenteed S rank pity on dorm is rlly low

the first two times or smth

[ancient needle]

Ye, ye, I forgot that it's 25 at the beginning

[hearty sequoia]

Wdym reroll

[shell basin]

if you really wanted to get aponia asap you could make an account, play enough to get 25 rolls, toss them at dorm, rinse, repeat, and even if this took you a while you doing that and then starting a new account would still let you catch up sooner than reusing your old one

[hearty sequoia]

How long does it take to get 25 rolls🥲

[shell basin]

it's pretty fast but depends on how quick you are at it

[thick bolt]

I don't think any current crystals from login are up, regular rerolling for the 10 pull takes like 20 minutes iirc, 25 rolls gonna take ages
and not to mention that it's a 1 in 31 chance for the pity S rank from dorm to be Aponia

you're better off waiting till she becomes farmable imo

[shell basin]

yeah that'd be my advice too

[serene fiber]

Quick question, do the bonus crystals count towards the top up events they do?

[muted shoal]

nope, only the base value of packs is counted

[hearty sequoia]

I might js stick in my main account then and js spend money so i can get good characters bc i came back just to get aponia 🥲

[thick bolt]

as long as you're aware of the tradeoffs it's fine then

[spiral badge]

as far as spending money goes, be sure to check out the whaling guide in the pins to make the best bang for your buck

you can still appreciate a trial aponia in the ingame tutorials via attack > events tab > tactics class. The last stage usually lets you play as long as you want with a team at the time of the valk's release.

[hearty sequoia]

Ah thankss i js wanna make sure its not completely IMPOSSIBLE to able to improve my account again. Even if ill prob need alot of help (and prob money)

[spiral badge]

money isn't necessary if you're willing to compensate with time. The most important thing is to maintain and regularly play the game to keep up with crystal sources

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

but money does speed things up so it's entirely up to you. Just make sure to review the ratios of cost to what you will actually get

[hearty sequoia]

I prob havent done most things in these lists

[spiral badge]

keep in mind at a casual level you really don't need to own anything to enjoy the story and events

[hearty sequoia]

If i did them, could i still get the crystals?

[spiral badge]

the permanent ones are as they sound like, always available as long as you do what unlocks them

the limited time ones may be one time only (esp events) or regularly refreshing

[hearty sequoia]

Ahh i see

n also is meta a huge thing in the game

[spiral badge]

meta is generally encouraged since a good portion of your regular crystal income is from abyss where you compete against other players for high scores

but also abyss itself has stratifications and layers that it's not like an all or nothing deal

[hearty sequoia]

ohh

[spiral badge]

you can find a competitive tier that suits your preferences and comfort where naturally the better you do the higher the rewards and vice versa

f2p can realistically aim for red lotus (semihighest tier) or some are satisifed at agony 3 (tier below red lotus)

[hearty sequoia]

ill prob test it out later, since most of my characters (am guessing) are not that good rn

[spiral badge]

honestly if you don't know the game well enough yet, i recommend not spending money and just exploring the game until you know what you're really going to get out of it

as a returnee you're mainly going to work off of what you last were well using

[hearty sequoia]

Am still learning the buttons 😭

[spiral badge]

you can show us what valks and equipment you have if you want more feedback too

!faq info

[small willow]

Providing Account Information/Context

We need more information to answer that, Captain!

Please show (screenshot where needed):

• Your Battlesuits (Valkyrie > Grid Layout) and Equipment (Equip > Weapon/Stigmata).
• Crystal count, supply tickets, current pity, and expected income.
• To what extent do you care about [meta](#👶beginner-help message)? (Consider that your competitive Abyss performance affects your Crystal income. [More info here!](#👶beginner-help message))

If you are struggling on specific content:

• Show us your team, equipment and gameplay.
• Screenshot the exact problem if you think something is going wrong.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

beware at this point the game has implemented a new foundational system to its combat called astral ring (aka part 2) which sets it apart from what you may be familiar with back in part 1

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[hearty sequoia]

yeahh i have no idea what that is😭

[spiral badge]

this might be overwhelming so i encourage you to go through it at your own pace and take your time

maybe start with the last link and check out tactics class for newer valks with astral ring

[hearty sequoia]

Yeahh, i barely remember anything.

[hearty sequoia]

okii

[spiral badge]

there's notable gacha changes too but i think this might be too much info for now

for now work with what you already have, and take the time to explore the new systems and combat of the game

avoid spending valuable resources like crystals or honkai shards or pri arm materials for now

check out pins for more general info and continue asking us for for other things that may come up for you too

[hearty sequoia]

I’ve noticed, its abit different from when i used to play so ion get it

[hearty sequoia]

alrr

[spiral badge]

here's something i wrote a long time ago about the gacha changes #💁gameplay-help message

but again take your time and go at your own pace. it's alot to take in

[lone crater]

time ur kiana wa and then helia qte ult in and can basically immediately evade + qte songque, if u did manage to do it, songque's qte would crystalize + do dmg
sometimes u crystalize him but he takes no dmg

[wraith brook]

we also use wa

what mean by crystalize?

[lone crater]

ur p1 should look something like this https://streamable.com/yssvt3

[wraith brook]

idk how,
i have faster boss or smth

[wraith brook]

oh wait, u use only wa
but there was CA

[lone crater]

his hp turns into this

[wraith brook]

oh, u guess its have another name. well nvm
guess even with fws WA it too complicated to me

not have time for now and game XD
but thanjks

[lone crater]

that's fine, the point is that his songque qte triggered this

did you get this off

[wraith brook]

What u mean?

[lone crater]

after songque qte does hp bar look like this

or does hp bar full but diff color

[wraith brook]

well in last 2- or +1 try more, i do it almost, but still have bad time not in 4 sec

I was in that moment about 11 sec?

[lone crater]

not rly referring to time here, but rahter im asking if your songque qte did do damage into the crystalize bit

[wraith brook]

not sure if i do it right, well not properly(?)
not sure if i can use that word
but in first try i meet the

[lone crater]

if u have a recording of urself its easier

[wraith brook]

Well yes?

dont think i have record this

dont thing that will so though to me. sry

[lone crater]

i see, but yea, im just telling u how if you did songque's qte correctly should look, cuz its quite easy to mess it up ig

[wraith brook]

No no any records.

[lone crater]

though u shuoldnt be at 11s top right

[wraith brook]

so it going wrong only if when i press qte on songue and asap ult, there is no crystalize status?

[lone crater]

when u qte on songque he should alr crystallize + take dmg

sometimes u crystalize but he full hp

[wraith brook]

mb im just do all thing very slow, ver small amout of try
dont have time to re try for better result

[wraith brook]

oh

in that case im not sure then

[lone crater]

alg, i just saw ur msg

[wraith brook]

bc after swap i imidetly spam ult
and not even any short catch of ant MA boss.

[lone crater]

yea u immediately spam ult, but u still have this qte animation right, so you could actually see whether or not if u did it right lol

its not like u press songque qte and then ult goes instantly

from the time u press songque qte theres like 1 whole second before ult goes thru

[wraith brook]

well its about my point of view, i mean, i dont remember did I really do it Right, or its just about status effect. i do it about 6 hours
i can say based on what i remember rota i do, but not sure
It was ULT-CA, and then guess i have very small amoit of hp? then i swap of FWS to end him and then helia is going, after her FWS who i dont remeber corretly do after we press AO with FWS

[wraith brook]

M, sry i bad in that thing, not sure how it named

not bad but, dont know how to say it

[lone crater]

alg, just next time try recording

[wraith brook]

Well if Sonque QTE ULT and CA is almost enough guess i do it right?
but not sure, if i remember billy ref right there was enough dmg for SOngue to end 1st phase, im my case need a little help of 1-2 basic from FWS

[wraith brook]

probbaly need to startd do, hope my pc not die XD
what i want to say - i forgot something what want say

m depend of what all i can recall for now ,
Mostly thing i do its "right", but pre phase with Helia was slow, very slow, and have not enough dmg to end it with Helia so need fws and songue, but do it bad.
But I wouldn't say that I did QTE correctly, even if I remember it that way.
guess, that all?
most hard thing it timing with fws and her CA in begining

Sorry if idk idk what
Just sry,

When we can do full MA ?
I mean what the dayWednesday or Thursday?

[lone crater]

thursday

[wraith brook]

so its best day to start, since i dont want go in top 1-5%

[green gale]

Maybe I shouldn't be skipping through the story so much

It's been a few years so I'm totally lost

[shadow gyro]

you can redo the stages or watch a walkthrough to see the story again

but yeah ure not meant to rush the story

[tacit ravine]

hi, does the battlepass end in 9 days?

[shell basin]

Yes

Or, I think it’s technically a little under 10

[tacit ravine]

another question, sorry, how long is part 2 questline approximately rn? over 50 hours?

[shell basin]

I think it's technically just under that but not much

I can send you the infographic if you want it

[tacit ravine]

if it's not too bothersome, thank you

[maiden garden]

Hi, I am new. I have a question about gacha. I should pull current banner or wait for future one?

[storm lantern]

current banners are reruns just wait for next patch

[left vale]

so can somebody gauge how fucked i am if i skip ||coralie|| because i cant afford her and dont want her at all

[shell basin]

What battlesuits do you have

[merry aurora]

idk which weapon i should pick, van i get more than one?
it rest in 2 hrs help

[shell basin]

You’ll get all of them eventually

[quick birch]

^

[shell basin]

One a week

[merry aurora]

oh

[shell basin]

You can pick whichever but I think the gauntlets are still technically the best first choice rn

[merry aurora]

ai?

oh ok

[shell basin]

Typo

[merry aurora]

gauntlet

[shell basin]

Yeah the grips of tai Xian

If you’re pulling 8.4 you might want 2x shamash for that so you can fire gene limit but even if you pick the grips rn you can get both before the banner drops

[merry aurora]

hmm who's upcoming character? or reruns?
8.4 next update whenever the update it.
what are the banner??? 😭

[quick birch]

check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[merry aurora]

okay

[sweet flax]

That was for the sync, I'm pretty sure you just need 1 for gene

Unless I'm remembering wrong in which case ignore me

[shell basin]

I don’t remember either

Even if you need both tho there’s plenty of time for it

[quick birch]

1 for gene limit 2 for sync

[merry aurora]

thank you all

[left vale]

all of p2 except spark teri dudu and ps 3/4

[shell basin]

It'll probably hurt your abyss scores but you have vita for ROO shill even if she's worse, and FWS + PAWS should support 8.5 okay even if the lack of breach will be annoying. Depending on your bracket luck and willingness to bald you could lose anywhere from a few hundred to over a thousand crystals from it? but obv fewer crystals than it would take to roll fdd

[upbeat egret]

If you are not a meta player you can still cope with vita support on LOA weather but you will be cooked on ignite weather

On paws weather you can cope with fws hoh support

[grizzled basalt]

Quick question do you guys or gals, have a site for future banner so you can save for gems?

[thick bolt]

current patch schedule is pinned in #💁gameplay-help
while the pins in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion has future patch schedule as well

Beyond that is just estimation/speculation on anniversary and spending event timings to plan crystals around, to get more stuff from reaching crystal thresholds used, or to prepare for a potential double release with a divine key.

[fallen shale]

why is abyss bullying me for not having an ice dps

[abstract sequoia]

Because that stage has a freeze mechanic recommended, but its not necessarily mandatory to beat said stage

i used to get this every time for paralyze side stages, because before PAWS only my VBs can apply it consistently. Bruteforcing is faster than gimping your team for that mechanic

[dry python]

It's ice weather this cycle?

Oh it's tc wolf

[fallen shale]

ok I just barely pulled it off with PAWS X.X

[abstract sequoia]

nice

[fallen shale]

I assume I'll get into these situations less when I get different element DPSes

hopefully I can get new cora and/or ||Elysia||

[abstract sequoia]

its less elements, more status effects (Bleed, Paralyze, Freeze, Stun and Ignite)

[twilit junco]

where do u use these?
i went to equipment and hit use and it send me to the shop where i cant buy nothing with it

[lone crater]

it says universal mirage

so u use it there, it allows u receive extra rewards after clearing universal mirage stages

[fallen shale]

so atm I've only got access to bleed (PS) and paralyse (PAWS)

[sweet flax]

Stun never runs if it does its a p1 weather (like however many patches ago it was senti stun or smth) and all p2 ice valks have freeze in their kit anyways at the moment, but ice barely runs as well

[cedar gale]

Can somone explain to me what the marks like that are on there back(the equpments/charecters) ive playd honkai for 22h and just put tandom stuff and and prayd for the best

[quick birch]

Stigmatas are basically equipment that provide the character with extra stats and the character/team with buffs depending on which stigmata is equipped

[ancient needle]

Why do they look like tattoos? Keep playing Part 1 story

[quick birch]

additionally stigmatas also have 2pc and 3pc effects if you equip 2 or 3 stigmata of the same stigmata set

[quick birch]

for beginner teams check this faq out
most of the characters here are available in the asterite shop and the equipment is either in the foundry or the starter manual

if you have any questions where to get something from those examples feel free to ask

though at the beginning basically anything works since most enemies are extremly squishy

[cedar gale]

Thank you

[sweet flax]

someone please tell me its not paws weather today

I cant open the pins in gameplay and check

[storm lantern]

its vita

[sweet flax]

vita boss or vita weather?

[storm lantern]

vita weather

[sweet flax]

thank you for bringing good news

[ancient needle]

gl killing P2

[sweet flax]

why?

[ancient needle]

Hella tanky

Or are you in RL rn

[sweet flax]

ye I couldnt go to nirv because paws weathers, but even in nirv I would be fine im p sure?

my vita is ranked + high rolled affixes

[ancient needle]

Oh, you skipped PAWS, right

[ancient needle]

Yeah, with ranks you'd defo be fine

[sweet flax]

in return I can garuntee cora + weap + new ao on minute 1 of new patch

• hofi skin

ill probs throw random pulls at paws rerun if I get her, nice, if not, meh

[storm lantern]

i can guarantee all of those with 💳

[sweet flax]

my credit card is reserved for the waifus

[storm lantern]

same

[ancient needle]

My debit card is reserved for me 🗿

[sweet flax]

that's losers mentalility teammate

you limit yourself from potential

(I do not endorse such acts, please spend moderately if you plan on spending)

[upbeat egret]

Asumara so whel

[sweet flax]

im not whel

[quick birch]

lies

[sweet flax]

this is mango propaganda

[upbeat egret]

Okay Poseidon

[quick birch]

and i'm proud that i'm the one spreading the word

[sweet flax]

spreading lies to tarnish my image

only mango would do something so inhumane

[quick birch]

spreading information to warn people about the dangers of the ocean

[tulip sedge]

[sweet flax]

mango I demand emotional damage reperations

[quick birch]

denied

[tulip sedge]

I spend money on game only when i felt that this game deserve this. Like after clearing 5-9 acts of part 2 i went and bouth 4 months of subscription.

[sweet flax]

to be fair, the monthly card subcription is insanely high value

[quick birch]

yk what else is high ?

your top up

[sweet flax]

no its not

you have no proof

[tulip sedge]

And for me is planning my spending and income- one of the most interesting parts of gacha games

[sweet flax]

why'd mango go quiet after I said that

[quick birch]

i'll find prove

[sweet flax]

uh huh

[quick birch]

i hab message where you say you're whale but where top up ss

[sweet flax]

ye but I could be saying it as a joke yk?

dismissible in court

[upbeat egret]

Whel talk

[sweet flax]

when did you become prof again 😭

[quick birch]

today

[upbeat egret]

Mango and asumara are arguing who has the best credit card

[sweet flax]

clearly mango

[quick birch]

dafuq i literally never bough crystal pack

[sweet flax]

not even a debate

[sweet flax]

but you never said you didnt buy b-chip bundles

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[quick birch]

i need them for BP

[sweet flax]

sure sure ok "whel"

we making excuses now I see

speaking of bp, who was next? ||thel?||

[quick birch]

|| FoV||

|| thel yet to be seen ||

[sweet flax]

oh wait that was returnee

||fov coming to bp when we get 2 bios back to back and an ignite unit next patch 🙏 beyond cooked I fear||

[quick birch]

|| new starless weather trust ||

|| i mean ig she still has rimestar ||

[dry python]

Instead of arguing over who's the bigger whel why not whel for me

[sweet flax]

idk I used ps tfm for rimestar and it worked pretty well

[storm lantern]

so true

[sweet flax]

because you have better luck than me and im petty

[storm lantern]

where's my sponsor to make up for me pulling +3 hohe dkey

[dry python]

No?

[sweet flax]

have you gotten a unit under 80 pulls

[dry star]

If FDD is meant to be a support, if I have limited prisms, should I max paws' stigmas first over FDD's?

[sweet flax]

p2 units are both dps and supp, she will have the weathers to benefit both use cases next patch and will be heavily shilled compared to paws

[dry star]

ah I see, so still worth leveling fdd's high, thanks

rn most of my stigmas are kept at lv 45 since 45 to 50 is pretty expensive

[quick birch]

you'll prob also get a fair amount of prism from pulling FDD's weapon

[sweet flax]

level as you see fit to clear properly before maxing

[quick birch]

unless you get lucky ofc

[sweet flax]

but prio the newest unit

[dry star]

🫡

[sweet flax]

skipping a single unit can make you rich in source prisms as well

[dry star]

patches are too long to resist pulling

[dry python]

I seem to be running out

Mostly due to my hiatus in 8.2

[sweet flax]

8.2 was a gold mine

[dry star]

I have 22 prisms rn, but I'd need 8 to finish paws stigs to lvl 50

[dry python]

Which led to me not having as many xtals left over from pulling PA

So now I only have like less than 20k

Oops

[quick birch]

also even if FDD would only be a support her stigmatas will most likely also buff the team in some ways, for FDD outside of her 2pc/3pc her M stigmatas boosts team ele dmg and her B stigmata team phys dmg so you'd want to level them eventually anyway

[storm lantern]

i have uh

13.5k and 6 cards

[sweet flax]

13.5k 6 cards AND a dream

[dry star]

dumb question, stig passives improve with level? I thought it was just improving the base stats on it

[dry python]

Somewhat irritated that coralie SO CD is still up without 3s chenxue

[storm lantern]

the blue numbers increase

[dry python]

Course it does

[dry star]

ohno

[storm lantern]

well they improve with upgrades, the level only affects the stats

[quick birch]

they improve with each star added so if you level the stigmata from 45/45 to 1/50 the passives will improve

[storm lantern]

and m doesnt give any useful stats so u can leave it at 1/50

[dry star]

oh okay that was my confusion, so the passive doesnt improve with level, only star level

[dry star]

[dry python]

M gives crt for phys valks smol amount of crit rate

[sweet flax]

using paws T stig as an example

only 2pc and 3pc dont increase with upgrades

[storm lantern]

last one was like two years ago (8.0)

[dry star]

I was told to ignore worrying about crit rate on phys valks, is this because they will crit anyway or because additional crit rate amounts from affix or stig have little effect overall?

[dry star]

ty

[quick birch]

crit rate affixes arent actually crit rate but CRT which is a part of the formular for crit rate

it's a bit complicated

[sweet flax]

external crit rate buffs from teammates/stigmatas yes, but there are other considerations that can be applied such as the crit rate bonus from emblems (rarely considerd) or the crit rate gene limit (probably only used once in its life)

[dry star]

[quick birch]

don't even ask how the community figured out the crit rate formular

[storm lantern]

theres also 🎣

[dry python]

Bqit

[dry star]

oh so CRT is its own variable, not an abbreviation

[storm lantern]

so crit rate ends up being incredibly marginal

[quick birch]

yeah

[sweet flax]

there is also astral op buffs but if I mentioned every source I would be going down an infinite rabbithole

[dry star]

[sweet flax]

for now just know, you will almost 100% of the time have enough crit rate to crit without the need to crit mald

[dry star]

ngl I hate less than 100% cr but I'll live with it

[dry python]

Almost 2 years and this has only benefited 1 valk

[storm lantern]

genuine question

is that passive good

like is it better than not having it

[quick birch]

i mean you don't have anyone that can crit atm anyway iirc ?

[dry python]

None of the phys valks have seen a dps weather in a while anyway

[sweet flax]

on its own its wtvr, but paired with sera's other physical and wod buffs its a nice way to secure additional damage without malding as much

[dry star]

[dry python]

Yeah

Don't think kekhoyo is stupid enough to make a premium aop then give it a skill that bricks dmg lol

[dry star]

torus is difficult to save enough of

[quick birch]

ig sushang can crit on one singular attack but you can mald that ~~ i already malded that once ~~

[storm lantern]

it seems like the conversion rate is a scam and you can fish anyways

[sweet flax]

id rather kms tbh

[storm lantern]

i dont even remember what sushang can crit on

[sweet flax]

the first hit of her stellar shift

[quick birch]

attack when you activate SO

but also only on PSY enemies

[storm lantern]

[quick birch]

erm akshually that's not part of her stellar shift

[sweet flax]

mango shut the fuck up

[dry python]

What

[sweet flax]

[dry python]

I don't remember reading that part

[dry python]

They're right

[sweet flax]

I KNOW

THAT IS THE PROBLEM

[quick birch]

i think im confusing it with the when psy enemies have a shield thing

that one

[dry star]

when is this useful
it seems so.... specific

so it cant trigger if no shield

[storm lantern]

psy enemies with shields up rofl

[quick birch]

it's called stellar Assault btw

[storm lantern]

also +100 crit rate so mald where

[sweet flax]

how about we stellar blow up hoyo hq for making 3000 different tags

[upbeat egret]

Nah there are some m stig that have support damage... we should recommend him to read first before he slack it

[quick birch]

i was talking about stellar assault that one does not have +100 cr

this shit

[dry star]

making me READ

[sweet flax]

where's that gif I made a while ago

[upbeat egret]

Helia vita cora M are useful

[storm lantern]

[sweet flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901268521181401108/1363625570277003406/9resih.gif

found it

[storm lantern]

huh why

[upbeat egret]

I know we gacha players don't really like to read...but sometime we need to

[upbeat egret]

Look the description

Of the M stig

[storm lantern]

the description doesn't matter

im talking about stats at max star

[quick birch]

i think they meant leaving it at 1/50

yeah

[quick birch]

the worst part is that hi3 kits are all over the place

[upbeat egret]

Oh that

Nvm sorry

[sweet flax]

prof is trolling

[upbeat egret]

Too tired

[sweet flax]

eepy?

[upbeat egret]

I need to retire as well

[sweet flax]

didnt you just come back 😭 already planning a retirement

my goat ong

[storm lantern]

its the prof effect

[upbeat egret]

Yeah probably

Asumara and mango need to promote so that I can rest

[quick birch]

moots hurry up with my application

[sweet flax]

why me I barely do shit around here

[storm lantern]

mango should promote cause he'll actually play the dogshit teams beginners have to cope with

[upbeat egret]

[sweet flax]

my portfolio is repeating the same thing to beginners over 10k times and helping with the crystal count in a single section of story

[upbeat egret]

But its still usefull

[dry star]

😔 who runs applications around here
promote them

[quick birch]

mots and profs but it's fine it haven't even been 2 weeks

[sweet flax]

for profs? profs and moots

[dry star]

mo...t
is that a funny way of saying mod or

[ancient needle]

Yes

[sweet flax]

local lingo

[dry star]

shouldnt professors explain the history lesson to me

[sweet flax]

no

this server's history is cursed

[ancient needle]

No, I'm not a lore Prof

🗿

[sweet flax]

if beginners of today witnessed the bullshit of like 2-3 years ago minimum they would be unable to come back

[ancient needle]

In this specific case it's nothing special though

[dry star]

you can't prove that to me, you have no role tag

hurry up and teach me my history lesson

[ancient needle]

Just a way to extend the word "mod"

[dry star]

oh so it doesnt say mood

[rugged compass]

-# Im a Breath Professor

[dry star]

[ancient needle]

lmao

[storm lantern]

professing how to get 4 patch old valks without weapon

[rugged compass]

IT WAS ONE TIME

[storm lantern]

[sweet flax]

one time too many I fear

[ancient needle]

I mean, both Sencho and Lily can

Tbf Lily's a mod

[rugged compass]

Also sena was free! So shes excused!

[storm lantern]

i thought lily "pulled" fws on her rerun and that was the only thing

[ancient needle]

Ye

!faq lily

[small willow]

Lily got her FWS because someone grabbed her phone and pulled close to the last days of the banner, that's why she has her but didn't have enough for the 4/4 in time.

[ancient needle]

!faq sencho

[small willow]

Sencho got his Thelema pulling in an advance/ascension supply so that's why he has her s2, but dint have enough to pull for the 4/4

[dry star]

[sweet flax]

💀

[rugged compass]

Whyd he pull thelema adv tho?

[sweet flax]

pulling ascension with no weapon is crazy

[ancient needle]

Free 20 pulls

[storm lantern]

sencho im not defending 💔

[sweet flax]

wait free 20?

[ancient needle]

Oh, wait a sec

[rugged compass]

Its advanced tho?

[sweet flax]

did I miss something

[rugged compass]

Not carnival

[ancient needle]

Just noticed it's ADV and not Carnival 😭 😭

[rugged compass]

Thats my excuse for sena

[ancient needle]

Did Thele even have an ADV tho

[rugged compass]

Yes

[storm lantern]

prof btw

[sweet flax]

both profs here need to go to sleep

[ancient needle]

Real

[rugged compass]

Drya has thelema so

[dry star]

what is the benefit of ADV vs normal rerun banner? is it just the refund on equipment cards?

[ancient needle]

Ah, ye, ye, makes sense

[ancient needle]

No, you also get stamps

[dry star]

ooh

[ancient needle]

Which allows you to rank up the valk for cheaper

[sweet flax]

you see, whales get turned on with a negative balance in their bank accounts
so hoyo in their infinite wisdom made a banner for them where if they dont spend they get cucked

[ancient needle]

The issue is that the valk in question is niche at that point

[dry star]

nature is truly amazing

[storm lantern]

they used to have worse rates but now they dont basically advs are goated banners now

[ancient needle]

!faq adv

[small willow]

ADV Supply

Be careful, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's summary [here](#👶beginner-help message) as to why ADV is extremely bad to pull.

ADV Supply is designed to help Captains advance the rank of the Valkyrie on it. The main reasons why it is a terrible investment are as follows:

• Lower drop rate (1% compared to Battlesuit Supply's 1.5%).
• Pity DOES NOT CARRY! Therefore, you need 28k crystals before you even consider pulling this supply.
• ALL Valkyries in ADV are too old to be investing crystals into, unless you are a competitive whale.
• Stamps obtained cannot be used to unlock the Valkyrie.

Also see !faq backpull

[ancient needle]

Huh

[dry star]

I see, so the main issue is just ADV banner are pretty old valk (latern is like... 1 year ago? or slightly less)\

[ancient needle]

@frozen crypt wtf

[rugged compass]

No real benefit, u just pull if ur whel or simp or ur just uh being funni
Not much useage like Teamate said
U get SS and wep in like 150 pulls, however u also get equipment card refund (up to 18)

[ancient needle]

Ah, there we go

[sweet flax]

they arent, they are old valks with near 0 use , yes I noticed you crossed it out, no I did not bother to retype my message

[rugged compass]

Yeah

[ancient needle]

Pretty much

[dry star]

[ancient needle]

Lantern is garbo in general

[rugged compass]

So like is vita not good in MA?

[ancient needle]

Unless you can somehow go around her SP issues yes

Assuming you meant Vita support

[dry star]

so its not just my hallucination that in the current combat event, latern doesnt feel that good when shes onfield

[sweet flax]

I mean in 1 SO ma runs vita can be fine assuming first phase is fast and you dont need vita's buffs during it

[ancient needle]

Eh, HotT is very paper, Lantern should not be struggling there at all

[storm lantern]

ranks only help in that valk's weathers so when u pull on someone old you're getting an advantage in weathers that already dont run for a lot of

[rugged compass]

So HoH/Sparkle/Helia would be bettter for like LoA

[sweet flax]

no that's you playing her wrong unless she is in the supporting role

[ancient needle]

If you're talking about Heph then I'm not sure

I've seen some Vitas in the leaderboard, but they were ranked

[rugged compass]

Badum support

[sweet flax]

assuming you have no other wod valks I would probably replace one of them with coralie instead because neither of them have hss tag

[dry star]

not struggling, more like it seems compared to her teammates it seems she isnt much impact. but I also dont know correct rots for these teams so I just swap between them

[ancient needle]

Yeah, that's probably it

[frozen crypt]

what

[rugged compass]

LoA
Not WoD

[ancient needle]

The tutorial rots are good enough for HotT, check them out

[ancient needle]

The bot was slacking, nvm now

[storm lantern]

knowing correct rots is "important" but for hott the points required for max rewards are really low

[sweet flax]

oh I didnt read the loa part, my bad

[dry star]

yeah its fairly easy to do and a lot of valks are guessable

[storm lantern]

and the higher tiers are just ncc

[sweet flax]

lantern cant really dps outside of SO to be fair (similar to hohe's case) but as a support she can apply buffs and dip very fast

[dry star]

its like PGR, when in doubt, just fill up KE bar if it exists, tap weapon and sometimes hold down a random button and it does things

[sweet flax]

while dealing a respectful amount of dmg

[ancient needle]

Eh, Lantern is not as bad outside of SO as HoHE

[dry star]

ahh I see

[ancient needle]

But ye, the point still stands

[sweet flax]

not to get off topic, but you really should learn pgr rots if that's how you are handling the combat but ye, im getting off topic here

[ancient needle]

Waiting for the PGR FAQ now

[sweet flax]

inshallah for all the pgr refugees

[merry aurora]

are good? and if i buy which one's better?
with my Valkyrie list

[ancient needle]

Maybe I should make one with a thicc Russian accent

[sweet flax]

kira is just the best choice in general

if you plan on spending, i'd heavily advise checking the whaling pin though

[ancient needle]

None of the picks are really good though

RC is better than Kira until Kira is SS

[dry star]

yeah dw I do, which is a pain because PGR rot are punishing since wrong number of pinged orbs will mess up the 2nd/3rd round of the rot

I may be wrong, but Hi3 rot feel more forgiving, sure you might lose a couple of sec if you messed up but its not bad enough that you actually have to hard switch out because the rot is ruined

[ancient needle]

Ye, don't spend if that's the only reason you're considering it

[abstract sequoia]

they removed RC from the picks?

[sweet flax]

once you get to redlotus exalted in hi3, actually nah you are in eu
when you get into good brackets or in the future nirv, even 1 mistake means demotion

[merry aurora]

i was thinking to top up smallest amount for one of those characters

[ancient needle]

A long while ago wtf

Multiple patches ago

[sweet flax]

they arent worth topping up for, they are also all farmable

[ancient needle]

Before the length was increased even

[dry star]

no that makes sense
I see people malding over their runs over a few sec

[abstract sequoia]

damn okay

[storm lantern]

a couple seconds is a lot of time lost, losing 1 point means u restart sometimes

[ancient needle]

Before LoA was a thing

[dry star]

[storm lantern]

1 point is 1/3 of a second

[dry star]

[sweet flax]

but to be fair, you can get absolute trash players in your bracket (like me) and get away with missing like 20 points

[storm lantern]

but in rl and below u can do whatever if u have the bis team, u cant do whatever if ur missing a support and have to use coralie

[ancient needle]

0.3 secs ☝️ 🤓

[storm lantern]

wait really

[ancient needle]

Ye, 1000 pts is exactly 5 mins

[abstract sequoia]

imagine malding for hours over 0.3 or 0.6 seconds

[storm lantern]

dont have to imagine

[ancient needle]

Real

[abstract sequoia]

me neither

[outer spruce]

people do that all the time

[abstract sequoia]

yea it just sounds crazy when you spell it out in seconds

[outer spruce]

i see like ten people with the same score in myriad fighting for a 1 point lead

[sweet flax]

wait so its 3.333 points per second? or is it not 1000/300?

[ancient needle]

Ye

[sweet flax]

ahhh ok I see

[quick birch]

i take this personal

[twilit junco]

did it just happen off screen???

[storm lantern]

delete this, no story spoilers allowed in this channel

[twilit junco]

true

i forgot tbh

[storm lantern]

theres a recommended reading order in #📚honkai-lore that might help but i skip story so idk

[sweet flax]

you can ask in #📚honkai-lore, but tl;dr the elysian realm is what happens after the events after that chapter form her pov

[twilit junco]

ty

[sweet flax]

you can also check the read order faq if you are following the story in a specific order

[lone crater]

since when and in terms of what

[sweet flax]

since time immemorial and in terms of supportive options for beginners

[ancient needle]

Kira has massive SP issues before SS

Otherwise she would always be recommended over RC

[lone crater]

does she give better buff or what, she for sure freezes less than rc

[ancient needle]

Ah, you meant in that way
Yes, her buffs are better

[sweet flax]

total dmg buffs and elemental buffs (rc doesnt have elemental buffs)

[lone crater]

rc has edt

[sweet flax]

does she? im pretty sure it was total damage taken

[lone crater]

she has both

[ancient needle]

Sai alr tested them out a very long while ago, Kira was better

[lone crater]

both no gear?

[sweet flax]

just checked, she doesnt have it in her kit

[ancient needle]

Ye

[lone crater]

her purple is edt

[sweet flax]

her purple is total damage taken

Frozen Can and Megaton Furball make enemies hit take 30.0% bonus Total DMG by 15s

frozen can being the purple combo and megaton furball being her ult

[lone crater]

i check cn text then

[sweet flax]

the only elemental dmg buffs she has is through stigmata/weap for ice specifically

everything else is total dmg

[shell basin]

What % are SS’ buffs at SS?

Is it enormously better than RC or just slightly

Mine is still sitting at S 😅

[sweet flax]

not enormously, but marginally better than rc because she is able to frequently ult

more team dps, vulnerability and sp restoration

[lone crater]

btw is that not edt, its the same phrasing for cez b and stuff, otherwise what do u mean by edt

[sweet flax]

edt is elemental damage taken, that is not the same as total damage taken they are calculated seperately

[lone crater]

enemy damage taken

k not even on same page with definitions alg

[sweet flax]

-_- "enemy" damage taken?

you throwing enemies at your enemies now

[lone crater]

cuz there's total damage multiplier

[sweet flax]

which is tdm

[lone crater]

one is enemy receive more and one is u do more

[sweet flax]

mb that I confused what you meant, but you have to understand that a lot of people would've assumed by edt you mean elemental dmg taken

cuz increased damage taken by enemies is referred to as vulnerabilty

well anyways

if you deal more dmg, that is a damage buff or bonus ... <- type damage (elemental, physical, bleed, etc...)
if enemies take more damage, that is a vulnerability debuff or ... <- type dmg taken

[lone crater]

was the test done for elemental valks

rc buff seems bigger than kira if non ele

[sweet flax]

ye kira's ele buffs are pretty useless in non-ele scenarios but sp restoration can still be a major factor depending on the dps

[lone crater]

but rc sp regen better no

[shell basin]

RC also has SP restore

[lone crater]

yellow also +3

[sweet flax]

im pretty sure she gets most of her sp from SS, where her ult regends a lot of sp

[lone crater]

well we mean team wide sp right,

[sweet flax]

kira bullets in ult recover more sp per shot for the team

[shell basin]

Doesn’t this also depend on the DPS’s own buffs? Like looking at her kit I think SK is only 20% ele damage taken, which is great because almost nobody gives that compared to how many total damage buffs there are, but if you don’t have total damage buffs already RC’s numbers are bigger

[sweet flax]

pardo needs SS to match sp regen and even then its over time and not instant

assuming both are SS of course

[shell basin]

And obviously if you can freeze them she has that meaty frozen damage buff but that’s rarer

[sweet flax]

at S they are both mediocre in terms of sp gen and regenerate the same amount (actually I think if you can get 2 or more kira qte's that's already more SP regen)

wait let me check if kira ult regens sp before SS

[sweet flax]

at S on pardo you wouldnt really go out of your way to get 2 combo attacks, most of the time its pruple combo and switch or ult then switch

ult has enough rime traume to freeze enemies though so there's that ig

[lone crater]

kira give 7*3+3 sp pardo gives 25 from just ult tho pardo one is over time

pardo in the meantime can +3 with yellow

ig the thing is that kira can give these stuff off field

[sweet flax]

purple doesnt regen sp for the team

[lone crater]

oh yuea meant just yellow

but doing both is kinda common

[sweet flax]

pardo 28 over 10 seconds
kira 7*3 + 3 (from ulting) + 6 after 10 seconds to factor in the 5 second qte cooldown

but there's no reason to take pardo to SS compared to kira at SS unless you are ranking up for dorm levels

so in the end that comparison doesnt matter

non-elemental teams, mainly physical will opt for ta instead and specialist for stuff like ignite or bleed have their own supports or a secondary dmg type which can be buffed by other supports

[lone crater]

where do u get another +6 for kira

[sweet flax]

her 3 sp regen from qte/ult hit is on a 5 second cooldown

[lone crater]

oh u mean that sure

[lone crater]

idk, i rather have a ss pardo for better freeze ngl

[sweet flax]

well depends on the boss

[lone crater]

and buff wise, u cant even get kira ult instantly can u

well abyss prob can

not ma

[sweet flax]

considering dodging gives astral intensity and sp freeze might not be as valuable of a damage boost depending on the situation

or no wait, that ari regen was thel only wasnt it

im too sleepy for this

[lone crater]

what

if u ever need the niche of freeze for bosses, kira without sig just wont cut it most of the time

but ig general pure elemental then kira

but if i were to pick one out of the two, its defo pardo for that extra niche

[sweet flax]

kira without sig has enough rime trauma for most bosses

but the ones with the higher limit ye she needs sig

[lone crater]

but the only boss that needs it is heph

[sweet flax]

wait heph is the only one right now?

[lone crater]

well i cant rmb last time in eeded freeze for anything else

[sweet flax]

oh wait fuck why did I think that damn hellmaru thing needed it

was it freeze weather?

[lone crater]

huodou needs freeze but since thel released that boss got benched