👶beginner-help

[sweet flax]

But then again hoyo loves doing things their own way

[thick bolt]

new ring support + special partner support (locked skill) for future valks

[sweet flax]

Well paws lp and dsa have no synergy with each other, paws would be your start towards the current ring and upcoming rings

(Well technically lp can support for dsa, but no weapon or ranks make her.... eh)

[thick bolt]

on an overall perspective she doesn't have an unknown ring tag so most of her future value (outside of her own weathers) relies on the locked skill which is most likely for 8.4 valk

[sweet flax]

Would be weird if new ring comes by this early

[fervent furnace]

Ah, which means if I have her, I’d also need to pull next patch’s new char as well…

[thick bolt]

First LoA Valk (dudu) (and WS Sena) were already building towards new ring
can't say on the time but that point is there

[sweet flax]

True, for all we know 8.5 valk will have hidden tag + dkey unit and 8.6 is new ring

I love speculation impact 3rd, can never be 100% with your decisions until its too late

[outer spruce]

??? impact 3rd

[thick bolt]

[sweet flax]

Atp I'm just gonna skip this patch and next patch

What's 1 more patch of rl

[thick bolt]

but ye for your account situation I'd lean towards just hoarding for a new release since realistically Helia doesn't have much of an impact for your account if you'll be forced to skip 8.4 @fervent furnace

maybe future news can change things but

[sweet flax]

Keep an eye out for #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins for the meantime

[thick bolt]

🤝

[fervent furnace]

& indecision 😩
I think I’m just gonna try brute forcing abyss with whoever I have & if I can’t, then I can try pulling until a certain number of xtals

[fervent furnace]

Noted, thanks y’all again, appreciate it

[sweet flax]

Well you wanna always make sure your valk has her weapon, so if you want to pull, you should always pull over 16.8k crystals (60 pulls for weapon)

At least thats the smart way to go

[gaunt oak]

how do i use paws in ER

[fervent furnace]

I have 20800 xtals with 57 to guarantee, I think I have enough or at least would have enough for weapon by this patch. But yea, I would essentially go back to 0, so I’m leaning towards not pulling if I don’t have to for meta

[sweet flax]

@gaunt oak check his er guide

[sweet flax]

Meta is constantly changing, unless youre a whale you'll keep having to catch up

If you don't mind suffering a bit longer wait for a better pulling opportunity

[fervent furnace]

Yeap will do that, RL makes me feel like I need to have PAWS, but I can make do with what I have.

Thank you again for solving my indecisiveness 🙏

[sweet flax]

Well I'm in the same boat, so all I can do is offer you my condolences as I cry under the bedsheets reminiscing when I was nirv before this patch

[fervent furnace]

PFFT, nah you’ll reach Nirvana again, I believe in you
I’m not sure how Nirv ranking works, but I’m presuming that would mean you’re in the high bracket of RL if you ranked last patch, so you’re close to getting it again

[sweet flax]

It's just a rank after rl, but even if i somehow promote back to it i don't have paws so I'll be back in rl in a jiffy

Oh fuck and I'm skipping next patch, road back to agony?

[quick birch]

Nirv is basically BiS DPS or dip, supports can be not BiS and you can retain but depends on cycle/supports/your own bracket

[fervent furnace]

In terms of rewards, there isn’t much difference with RL & Nirv at least, like 20 xtal diff (besides frame & all that)?

We are not ranking back down to agony, we’ll fight & survive ✊

[sweet flax]

Depends if youre t100 or not, t100 make hundreds more crystals per week than rl

[fervent furnace]

Ok tbh, I don’t have Sushang nor Dudu, so you’ll survive ✊

[fervent furnace]

…I’m presuming that’s whale area

To be top 100

[quick birch]

Not really

[sweet flax]

not really, whale territory is t50

t100 is mostly just BiS check and stat check

[fervent furnace]

T50 means top 50 people or something else?

[ancient needle]

Depends on the cycle, sometimes you can T50 F2P as well

[quick birch]

Yeah t50 of the whole server

[ancient needle]

Yes, T50 of the entire server

[sweet flax]

^ sparkle release moment

[ancient needle]

Nah, gotta mald for multiple hours on an SD cycle

[sweet flax]

barely holding on in rl

[ancient needle]

What are you even using

[sweet flax]

vita

[fervent furnace]

I lost 100 trophies last cycle, you’re in a better state 🙏
You got this

[ancient needle]

No Sena? No HoO DPS?

[sweet flax]

sena no weapon, hoo I only have her weapon rn, you think it works?

[ancient needle]

No Teri?

[sweet flax]

no teri

[fervent furnace]

Wait how does HoO DPS work here? What team?
…although I also only have wrap

[ancient needle]

Ask @quick birch, maybe you can cook smth up with alternative gear

[sweet flax]

gd hofi+dkey

[quick birch]

May i interest you in schro M zhenyi TB

[glad ice]

wouldn't hotr be better for hc

[ancient needle]

Yes, but where Para

[sweet flax]

this is gonna sound crazy, but I have only zhenyi b, how does von neumann tmb sound

[ancient needle]

🧱

[glad ice]

need para?

[ancient needle]

To extend the vuln

[glad ice]

oh

[sweet flax]

honestly I could get zhenyi t from exchange

on next finalize reward

[amber finch]

[sweet flax]

or would I rather get sswords m

for complete sswords set

[quick birch]

Benares TM Auslaug b ?

[sweet flax]

no benares pieces

[quick birch]

[sweet flax]

[glad ice]

aslagh B?

[quick birch]

[sweet flax]

isnt aslaug b mainly for hofi teams anyways

[amber finch]

no weap helia sux

someone gimme 50 pulls worth of xtals

[sweet flax]

or was that m

[amber finch]

i’ll take porkchops too

[quick birch]

Wait this shit was cezanne B Changes nothing about Benares though

[sweet flax]

wasnt it mei tm cez b

I guess I dont have mei pieces anyways

[quick birch]

That's also one but there's also one with Benares

There are too many stig variations + weapon combos tbh

You have like 4 different stig sets and 2 weapons

HoO be going crazy

[sweet flax]

ye I just noticed

im 1 crystallum off this patch from 2 stig pieces

what a wonderful realisation

at least I have skin

what if I just cope von neumann tb and sena m

[quick birch]

Wtf are we cooking

[sweet flax]

well the bad kind

this is messier than a 6th grader's collage

wait so hotr hofi or gd hofi

[quick birch]

Don't insult a 6th grader's collage

This is beyond that

[sweet flax]

sorry "picasso's last straw" looks greater than what im cooking

[quick birch]

[sweet flax]

my eop isnt even 65 till this day

[quick birch]

Idk gd cuz para

Ig

[sweet flax]

welp, pray for me ig

[sterile river]

what patch did asumara start

[sweet flax]

this account? 6.4? 6.5?

but i've been playing since glb launch

[quick birch]

👴 let's get you back to bed fossil

[sweet flax]

IM TICKLING THE BOSS HAHAHA

[quick birch]

~~ who would have thought ~~

[quick birch]

[sweet flax]

even io is less cope than this

[quick birch]

ATP brute force with Vita dps

[sweet flax]

I did I got 650 which started this whole thing

[quick birch]

Welp

[sweet flax]

wait does hitting the bookshelf with coralie ult count

[quick birch]

You wont debuff clock

[sweet flax]

welp +10 points

700 soon

[ancient needle]

So, what gear are you using on HoO here

Don't tell me it's actually Von Neumann + Sena

Also, you could try Sena with Vita's weap, the question is wtf you run on Vita

Sparkle's weap if you have it ig?

[sweet flax]

I have sparkle weapon, but wouldnt I run that on sena instead? or is the world star buffs for fire/quantum

[ancient needle]

Lemme double check

[wispy aurora]

This ever going to get a refresh?

[sweet flax]

yes, probably within the next 2 patches

[wispy aurora]

Is there anything I should grab now or just leave?

[sweet flax]

hohe ranks are pretty negligible (hohe dps scenarios are pretty rare and if you dont already have a high ranking it makes picking up ranks even less worthwhile)

lv has nearly 0 use case nowadays in terms of abyss

reroll devices are always an option if needed

[wispy aurora]

S0 HoHe

[sweet flax]

cooked regardless then

the standard is ss/ss1+

hohe ranks dont affect her supportive utility at least, so there's that

[wispy aurora]

That's good as I rarely use her for DPS and just support

[storm lantern]

i really cant think of anything that would be more useful than hohe ranks even though they dont do much

[sweet flax]

they arent leaving right now, so if a hohe weather does pop up

and that 1 or 2 ranks he can get end up being the retain/promotion breaker

then there's a case to be argued

but as it stands right now, hohe dps is pretty much non-existant atm

and if he doesnt have thel, the ranks are even more useless

[storm lantern]

yeah no point in buying from a shop until you either need the thing or its going away

[wispy aurora]

[ancient needle]

@sweet flax Vita's weap is better on Sena than Sparkle's by a very big margin

[sweet flax]

so sparkle weapon buffs are fire/quantum related im assuming

[ancient needle]

Just Fire

[sweet flax]

makes sense

I would've guessed it had world star total dmg bonuses but eh

[ancient needle]

Just make sure to run HoFi on the team, you lose a massive buff otherwise

[sweet flax]

so sena vita hofi?

vita on sparkle weapon?

[ancient needle]

Sena HoFi Vita, ye

[sweet flax]

welp lets hope s1 is enough then

[ancient needle]

No Para's probs gonna be ass tho

Songque AO status?

[sweet flax]

I dont have songque ao

[ancient needle]

[glad ice]

i ran sena vita lantern

[sweet flax]

it was the first ao, I didnt think picking it up would be worthwhile

[ancient needle]

Come on lah, surely you have smth better than Lantern

[grim dew]

What is astral op

[sweet flax]

p2 ELFs

[glad ice]

our dearest Entropy/DreamSeeker is an astral Op

[sweet flax]

@ancient needle so ds or kiaelf you'd say?

[ancient needle]

[sweet flax]

or teri

[ancient needle]

Defo not Teri

You probs wanna time the cross drop so that it hits right after you proc the vuln, so Kia imo

[sweet flax]

wait I thought this was vita dps for a sec

[ancient needle]

And then quickly dump reso procs with HoFi

[sweet flax]

so stun, kiaelf ult, so?

[ancient needle]

Nah, probs SO -> Sena sequence procs the vuln right before the anchor -> anchor -> HoFi all 6 -> Vita

I forgot it's an anchor

idr how long the vuln is if you don't extend it

[sweet flax]

hmmm

btw for ari gen, do I do the hofi stellar drain or just wa and wait patiently

[ancient needle]

I don't think you'll need to rush the regen on the first rot

On the second maybe

Songque AO would be hella juicy here

Even at S

[sweet flax]

I mean I have 11 pity

[ancient needle]

Gotta stay strong

[glad ice]

wait for the incoming new OP

[ancient needle]

||You'll be crying in 8.4 otherwise||

[sweet flax]

im skipping 8.4

[ancient needle]

Ayo wtf

[wispy aurora]

Is there any stigma I should try to get from either Exchange shop or Craft?

[lofty lark]

when was thelema last available in banner

[sweet flax]

im banking it all on ani

[wispy aurora]

||8.4 character or AOP??||

[glad ice]

thelema was available last patch, on advanced banner

[sweet flax]

check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[wispy aurora]

You said you was skipping so was asking which

[sweet flax]

adv banner ye (or ascent banner or wtvr the p2 version is called)

[wispy aurora]

and GIF says everything

[ancient needle]

For crafting check "Mirage Farming" in the pins

[lofty lark]

was that last patch?

[ancient needle]

Tbh it covers Exchange Shop as well unless you have HoRb DPS

[grim dew]

Is it a new character

[wispy aurora]

Part 2 elf basically a support character (NON-Playable)

[ancient needle]

Do you know what ELFs are?

[sweet flax]

why sena no iframes

[wispy aurora]

||Why skipping both, Hoping 8.5 drops a banger?||

[lofty lark]

during anniversaries are there events that reward you for spending xtals?

[ancient needle]

Yes (they're called spending events)

Usually you wanna have like 40k ready if there's smth actually good in the event

[ancient needle]

And 20 Dorm tix

[lofty lark]

oh okay thanks

[sweet flax]

btw teammate this is slower than vita dps

I think the lack of a proper ao and ranks is a factor

[ancient needle]

[sweet flax]

(and no sena weapon)

[ancient needle]

Run Vita HoFi GD now

[sweet flax]

ay ay

turg tb mei m is fine?

[ancient needle]

No Handel?

[sweet flax]

no

[ancient needle]

I'd swap PPM for smth else

Smth with higher uptime

[sweet flax]

jst tm zhenyi b?

[ancient needle]

"Higher uptime" doesn't mean +1 sec

[sweet flax]

problem is I have no m pieces

[ancient needle]

Well, no choice then

[sweet flax]

wait

bronya m?

fuck

[rotund pasture]

I got 18k xtals, should I skip n keep saving?

[sweet flax]

its bronya only 😭

[sweet flax]

what units do you have right now

and what does your pity look like

[ancient needle]

Is it?

[sweet flax]

unless its poorly translated

[ancient needle]

I'd test it

[storm lantern]

what about that one event stig that was in time capsule recently

[sweet flax]

wait let me check cn translation

ye cn says when used by bronya

[ancient needle]

Makes sense ig

Also, it would only apply to GD anyway xdd

[sweet flax]

xdxdxdxd

[prisma fiber]

What’s the difference between S0 and S2 paws?

[sweet flax]

listen im not good at english but hoyo isnt helping

[sweet flax]

not much, actually none of her ranks are worth chasing after

[ancient needle]

You get 2 WAs, which means you don't need to think about basics ani cancels

But ye, it defo doesn't mean you should get it

Unless 🐳 ofc

[sweet flax]

id think twice about paws ranks, I think that says something

[prisma fiber]

Well I did get paws twice on same rot so

[sweet flax]

I mean if you got it from the same multi then its good

[ancient needle]

Enjoy comfy gameplay then

[sweet flax]

we just meant dont actively roll for it

ok teammate

hear me out, tsiolkovsky 3pc

[ancient needle]

Sure ig

[sweet flax]

im gonna lose my grip on humanity at this point

[ancient needle]

Actually idk whether autocasting counts

[haughty elbow]

s2 still does basics tho

u just add wa on top of it

[rotund pasture]

No noticeable pity

[ancient needle]

Does it? Thought just WAs were enough

[haughty elbow]

is not about the sp but the dmg control

[sweet flax]

you could roll above 16.8k crystals and see if you get her to be able to secure weapon, but I wouldnt hard commit on banner

[ancient needle]

Are you talking about this specific cycle

[haughty elbow]

yes

[ancient needle]

I meant in general

[sweet flax]

isnt the difference just switching 1 basic to a weapon active

[ancient needle]

1 basics sequence

But yes

[haughty elbow]

about the same time anyways

maybe wa hits a little harder tho

[sweet flax]

so +1-2 points saved per rot

[haughty elbow]

dmg saved but no time saved

[sweet flax]

great rank

[haughty elbow]

best rank is s0

[rotund pasture]

18.2k rn, could get to 19k fast. What do you mean what I should pull, I didnt quite understand sry

[sweet flax]

sorry could you retype your sentence I dont understand what you are asking

[ancient needle]

If you're asking whether you should pull Helia, I'd wait for more 8.4 info

[rotund pasture]

I didnt understand your initial message

[ancient needle]

About the same as just Vita iirc?

[sweet flax]

just ignore it, best to wait for more info as teammate mentioned

nah my vita score is 665

[ancient needle]

Hence the "about"

[sweet flax]

basically ye

[ancient needle]

There is potential then

[sweet flax]

tsiolkovsky eden

[ancient needle]

[sweet flax]

idk why I always think this fucker is an img enemy

[ancient needle]

I wonder

[sweet flax]

I would use herrscher trio and be done with it

I could've sworn that was the case

am I going crazy, is this a side effect of tsiolkovsky eden I need answers

[torpid orbit]

same

[glad ice]

his 1st appearance was also with the introduction of img enemies

back in the patch

when we fought him with StFu

[abstract sequoia]

i thought he came before imaginary enemies

which is why he's PSY

[austere umbra]

do i need to max every dkey, or should i just level them til i get all the atk buffs?

[ancient needle]

If you're talking about Gene Limit ones, then you wanna max the Gene Limit effects too

Which means maxing a dkey from each category with a Gene Limit

[austere umbra]

only the ele % bonus ones matter tho right?

[ancient needle]

SP regen can be nice if you're a sweaty player

[sweet flax]

dkeys such as abyss flower/abyss and whatnot that just requires sync to provide the stats dont need to be leveled
the dkeys you get from realms of battle (excluding stars of eden) and pos/judah need to be leveled to increase their dkey lvl (out of 10, which provides secondary buffs as well as increased numbers on gene limit)

[ancient needle]

If you have HoS DPS you wanna be using the Burst mode Limit as well

[ancient needle]

The crate one is extremely niche though, you can leave it for last

[austere umbra]

do the flat crit buffs matter?

[sweet flax]

you get those passively, they dont have a lot of impact on the crit formula though in small amounts

[austere umbra]

and only physical characters can crit right

[ancient needle]

Yes

[sweet flax]

physical dps to be percise (bleed dps cant crit for example )

[austere umbra]

are there even any p2 physical dps lol

[sweet flax]

jds and rs

although jds' dps roles are gone now and rs is mostly a shieldbreak bot support

[ancient needle]

(DMG being Bleed DMG doesn't necessarily mean it's not Phys, Bleed Phys DMG just has special properties)

[sweet flax]

I mean, I just said bleed dps, which technically isnt wrong
ps lv and vq cant crit as examples

[ancient needle]

I think it was important to clarify

[sweet flax]

i see

[ancient needle]

Erm akshually ☝️ 🤓

[sweet flax]

dont tell me vq can crit

[ancient needle]

PS can

[sweet flax]

huh

are you talking about that 1 single instance of damage in her qte?

[ancient needle]

SO activation (RNG even with Teri) and extra damage instance vs PSY enemies at the beginning of Stellar Shift

[sweet flax]

teammate

you are a very dear friend I hope you know that

[quick birch]

🤓 and heavenly link

[ancient needle]

Oh dayum, really?
I got outnerded, huh

[sweet flax]

you are both nerds

[glad ice]

or maybe because he has "img taint" on hit effect back in those days. when tainted, screen change to black and white and u cant regen SP

i dont understand why it was called "img taint" though. maybe mis-translation from cn

[low ridge]

Does anyone know when vitas skin is coming back

[quick birch]

next week

[sweet flax]

Check #💁gameplay-help pins for banner schedule

[low ridge]

I’m gagging

[peak zodiac]

Is vita coming back with the skin

Bc I want her so bad

[low ridge]

No

It didn’t say it on the schedule

[peak zodiac]

Is peregrine sword on the banner schedule the most recent sushang?

She’s coming back already?

[thick bolt]

usual p2 pattern, valk reruns the patch after debut patch

only outlier has been songque who skipped a patch for the rerun

[amber finch]

i need a rot for no wep heliuh

[amber finch]

btwww

should i get sena weap, already got all the dkeys in bp

[thick bolt]

It's better than anything else you can get unless you like malding MA and want the niche stuff

alternative is to hoard crystallums for future stuff that cycles through bp

Need a 2nd opinion

[quick birch]

I mean do you actually have a use case for sena

She's pretty niche already

[thick bolt]

Only thing that comes to mind is hoh weathers
Minor breach improvement

[quick birch]

Ig we have resonance gaymax this patch too

[ancient needle]

The psychological barrier is broken, huh

[amber finch]

yeah

[amber finch]

want the 10%~ dmg loss back after uh 1.5 years ish + i’d actually have something for those dreaded sd weathers

[ancient needle]

Will be Une Le Fromage now (cuz too broke for Trois)

[amber finch]

fork

14 dollers well spent fr

[ancient needle]

😭 😭

[west vault]

Where I can get AstraOP?

[ancient needle]

Dreamseeker is given for free when you reach lvl 30
All other AOs are gacha-only (not worth pulling until you understand the game a lot more and have actual proper teams)

[west vault]

When do they appear on banners

Is there one now?

[ancient needle]

No set schedule, and yes, there is one rn

[autumn oxide]

u bought bp?

[ancient needle]

Yup

[autumn oxide]

bp buyer btw

[ancient needle]

[dry star]

Hi I know very little about older battlesuits, is it worth using those BP crystals to unlock Lunar Vow, or should I instead spend them on Senadina shards? (My senadina is just S)

Oh wait I read up a bit, s senadina replaced by helia

[autumn oxide]

sena ranks dont rly do much u can consider getting lv but keep in mind that her usage nowadays isnt as much anym

and u’ll still need her supps geared for her to perform decently/well

[autumn oxide]

so in some ways it depends on how developed ur acc is and what u hv

[autumn oxide]

huh

[ancient needle]

That info is just false

[solar coral]

in the demo I can activate the planar thing and get about 1000 energy.

in reality i only get 500? why? i cant activate helia’s ultimate after the charged attack

[ancient needle]

They cover different things

[autumn oxide]

sena still keeps her niche as a reso sd dmg dealer?

[ancient needle]

And WoD support

[autumn oxide]

and shes still the best option for wod supp for f2ps

[dry star]

Ok thank you! Should I buy the Key weapons then?

[autumn oxide]

dkeys are usually a priority but if u hv a decent collection of them alr and think u can benefit more from a new valk than 10 atk then go for it

[ancient needle]

Which valks do you have currently?

[dry star]

Gotcha yeah I have very little p2 valks I basically just have senadina, ego, and now new helia

[ancient needle]

Yeah, just get them dkeys, both LV and Sena ranks won't do much for you

[autumn oxide]

im currently only missing 3 dkeys, one of which is in bp.
idt i’ll be planning to grab that any time soon

[dry star]

Cheers, thanks

[autumn oxide]

no p1 valks or gears?

[ancient needle]

ig you could also hold back on deciding, there is some LV dkey copium

[solar coral]

I have a question guys

in the demo I can activate the planar thing and get about 1000 energy.

in reality i only get 500? why? i cant activate helia’s ultimate after the charged attack

[autumn oxide]

ce, gd, htr in particular

[dry star]

Stupid question if I buy the keys do I actually need to level them or is owning them enough

[autumn oxide]

are u in SO or no

[ancient needle]

Owning is enough

[ancient needle]

.

[autumn oxide]

and also whats ur team comp looking like

[dry star]

I have... horb and terminal aide built?

[ancient needle]

Dkeys aren't urgent to get at all unless you're in Nirv (and you for sure aren't with your valks)

[autumn oxide]

lv can help by increasing coverage albeit slightly, but she wont do u any good for long term stuff

[dry star]

Okay yeah definitely not

The bp crystal things dont expire right? I remember in the past they did... I think

[ancient needle]

They're permanent now, yes

[autumn oxide]

if ure using two valks without the symbiosis tag then they wont share sp bars

[dry star]

My teams will cause you psychic dmg I think

Senadina/coralie/an unleveled helia
New helia/ego/terminal aide

[ancient needle]

Replace TA with old Helia

[dry star]

Sena and new helia have their sigs and equipment but everyone else is basically poverty build

[ancient needle]

Or at least with RC for now

Or did you list your MA comps

[dry star]

Oki
Oh i do have RC they're like level 1

I can build them

[ancient needle]

Actually, TA is fine compared to RC

[dry star]

These are quite literally the two teams I use for all content

Before this it was sena only

[ancient needle]

I feel like with the investment level gap PAWS will be better even on SD content xdd

[dry star]

I need to do p2 for coralie weapon actually

[ancient needle]

😭

[dry star]

LOL wait what's paws

[ancient needle]

New Helia

Planar Armament: Warped Spacetime

[dry star]

I didnt know coralie wep was free I forged the baby hammer 😭

[ancient needle]

Did you level it beyond 35

[dry star]

Yes its like 50

[ancient needle]

😭

[dry star]

I'm broke on exp mats

😭

[dry star]

If i have extra crystals is it worth fishing for more paws shards or should I try to get peregrine sushang? Idk if I can get sushang sig though

[ancient needle]

Ideally neither unless whel

[left vale]

why can badum ult so fast after entry as opposed to characters like thelema, sena, etc.?
ive never seen a character that can non-QTE entry and ult as fast as badum can. is there an actual explanation for this

[dry star]

🫡

[ancient needle]

Definitely not ranks

[ancient needle]

They don't do nearly as much as you think

[dry star]

Ok sounds good. In PGR they have to be SS minimum so I wasn't sure about here

[ancient needle]

If you can't get the weap, you don't pull the valk

[dry star]

[haughty elbow]

??

the ult is the same time

[left vale]

no its not
not at all
her entry is basically skipped like i dont even see her enter its just ult

[haughty elbow]

thats the same for every char?

[left vale]

no it isnt

[ancient needle]

You can do a similar thing with other valks, just jump right before swapping

[glad ice]

did u turn off qte of thele and sena as well

[left vale]

well i know but im just wondering why badum can do it so much faster without any sort of prerequisite

[haughty elbow]

what

[ancient needle]

What? Ground swap is a bit slower, no?

[left vale]

it is

[ancient needle]

Cuz Hoyo actually decided to make the gameplay more fluid? Cuz spaghetti code maybe? No one's gonna give you a proper explanation here

[left vale]

ground swapping onto thele/sena without the jump is a lot slower and theres a bit of time that you can actually see them enter the field before ulting
badum doesnt have this

[left vale]

well thats what i was looking for i didnt know if there was an actual reason or just spaghetti code again

[solar coral]

SO?

[ancient needle]

Stellar Outburst

Anyway, I suspect that you're just skipping one of the attacks in the rotation

Like, for example, if you run Badum + Sushang as supps you generally wanna do Sushang's WA after her QTE

[haughty elbow]

just tried it
not at all

tried badum vs thelema
same speed

[left vale]

thats literally not true

[ancient needle]

On which valk did you check that

[haughty elbow]

reading issue

[glad ice]

lmao

[ancient needle]

Oh, both Thele and Badum for ground and air swap?

[haughty elbow]

yes
and i compared their speeds too

theres no difference from ground to air
and theres no difference from thelema to badum

[ancient needle]

[solar coral]

i only have mei, the default char, the bazooka valkyrie and the new helia…

[ancient needle]

Well, that's why
The rotation gets crippled if you don't have the proper supports

(not saying that you should go get them this patch)

[ancient needle]

ig they could've fixed that at some point

Or maybe it matters who you swap from

[ancient needle]

Make sure to grab Helia's weap though

[haughty elbow]

doubt thats a thing

[dry star]

Hi is there a specific guide where I can find recommended weapons and stigmata sets for older characters like Terminal aide?

In game it says this weapon is recommended, would that be correct?

[haughty elbow]

yes

[ancient needle]

Yes, that's correct, but I wouldn't refer to this in the future

It's best to either ask here (if it's a particularly old valk) or just assume it's their signature gear (listed on the wiki)

Ofc you ain't getting Prom's gear anytime soon

Too old to rerun and too new to be obtainable via other means

[dry star]

nice thank you

[ancient needle]

It should appear first in Reserve Works (in roughly 4-5 patches)

[dry star]

Yeah I was confused by recommendation since nocturnal stealth is an ice weapon

[ancient needle]

It recommends craftable weaps, and Nocturnal Stealth: Beam is technically craftable

(but it requires the base weap )

[ancient needle]

I assume you meant the Foundry recs

[dry star]

Yeah, I currently have this weapon on her but I was thinking to improve my TA next

[dry star]

Wait is it worth buying better weapons from BP crystal shop?

[undone leaf]

i dont got p2 valks to support paws helia except for coralie, do i get GD for lightning buffs?

[ancient needle]

Use old Helia
While she can't properly support her if we're talking AR compatibility, she still has a lot of generic buffs

[ancient needle]

In your case no
The only consideration rn would be Sena's weap, but you don't (and likely won't) have a proper team for her

[ancient needle]

Outside of dkeys ofc, but these aren't bought to be used as weaps

[dry star]

Gotcha ty. I actually have sena wep already and its maxed

[ancient needle]

Oh, I mixed you up with someone else then

[dry star]

I basically started the game in p2 for 1 month but then dropped until 1 month ago

[ancient needle]

Yeah, I can tell

[dry star]

Anyway thanks for your guidance
Yeah that's why my account is a mess, I should have just started a new account but then I already bought BP so

[ancient needle]

Sunk cost fallacy is real

[gaunt oak]

plant in hi3

[raw wraith]

is this one good for Helia ?

[gaunt oak]

she's crossbow

[ancient needle]

"Archers" only refers to bows, not crossbows

[raw wraith]

oh i didn't see crossbows

dealing more lightning dmg good ?

[ancient needle]

I don't think there are any comparisons between Lightning DMG and ATK, but I know for sure that ATK is better

[left vale]

houseplant on his journey to be mod in all 4 hyv servers

[dry star]

Unfortunately I dropped ZZZ again.

[left vale]

that guide is gud but TA is butt now outside of MA

the guide is also currently outdated for HoH:E

[dry star]

yeah mainly my paws team is just ego, so looking for a filler though I use coralie sometimes as 3rd

[left vale]

coralie is your best bet

[dry star]

[left vale]

coralie is RoO so she fulfills PA's leader skill and it's a really really important one

[dry star]

Ohhhh okay okay

[left vale]

not that others arent important, but this one is like super important

[dry star]

I almost want to start a new account but sunk cost fallacy is huge and I bought full bp twice now

[ancient needle]

I don't think it's the play atp anyway

[gaunt oak]

surely just whale and pull sushang

[dry star]

Yeah I'll just live with it and I've been faithfully doing all my dailies for over a month now

[left vale]

i mean once next patch rolls around you can have a fully functional ||calorie|| and helia team

[gaunt oak]

you can still start a new one i think it's worth fr

[dry star]

I heard new patches are super long now right?

[left vale]

this patch is 8 weeks, next is 9

[ancient needle]

Yes, 9 weeks on average
This one is 8 tho

8.5 will be 10

[dry star]

Smh whaling when hsr whaling patch is in 3 days

[gaunt oak]

no top up reset tho, just whale in hi3

[dry star]

10 weeks holy

[ancient needle]

8.5 should be anni

[dry star]

Oh nice pls rewards for anni

[ancient needle]

The rewards will just partially offset the amount of pulling you'll need to do

[gaunt oak]

but yea ||you can just wait for new coralie too in 8 weeks ||

[dry star]

😭

[haughty elbow]

8 weeks isnt enough time for me to save

[ancient needle]

Trueing

[gaunt oak]

just get lucky and get valk in the discounted 10 pull

[ancient needle]

At least I have stuff to grind in ER

[dry star]

A rank colarie is good to max still right because I need her in like both of my current teams (paws and sena)

[ancient needle]

She'll still be useful for MA, ye

And for ||Coralie|| DPS in general too

[dry star]

I still dont have coralie weapon i need to do p2 story

[gaunt oak]

free 4/4

[ancient needle]

No Prisms I assume

[dry star]

Oh the stigmata too?

[gaunt oak]

also she's fast in ER

[ancient needle]

Although BP has some iirc

[ancient needle]

Nah, stigs need to be crafted (keeping them at lvl 35 is enough tho)

[dry star]

Yeah bp has them and I think i have random currency from shops to buy extra prism

[gaunt oak]

a bit expensive at your stage but craftable

[ancient needle]

If you're talking about Supply Shop, then don't

No dupe stigs left I assume?

[dry star]

Also is doing all 8 commissions daily worth it? It asks for all these leveling mats that im really broke on lol

[gaunt oak]

she's new i fear she wont have a lot of dupes

[autumn oxide]

leave ur spending currency alone

[dry star]

Wait lemme take a screenshot of my dupe sigs

[ancient needle]

Well, just don't give away the leveling mats

There's other stuff like Fluid Alloys and Honkai Pieces

[gaunt oak]

imo yea it is, you'd be overflowing in levelling mats at some point, the shit in armada shop are useful for beginners

that's my main source of honkek cubes when i was new

[ancient needle]

No need, dupes are useless on valks they aren't intended for

[dry star]

Oh ok sadge

[gaunt oak]

choose the one with more affixes and level that one up, salvage every other dupe

[dry star]

Gotcha so the normal thing is to salvage dupes

[ancient needle]

Ye, that's a significant source of Prisms

[dry star]

OH that's where prisms come from??

[ancient needle]

Salvaging dupes, MA and events

[dry star]

Ok I've been legit relying on event prisms

[gaunt oak]

you probably also have stigma boxes, they give 1 every patch

[dry star]

Yeah I kept those boxes

[gaunt oak]

yea u use those when in poverty

unless you're a collection freak

[dry star]

You... hoard stamina?

[glad ice]

just play and those potions will add up

[ancient needle]

There's no use for it in the endgame, just happened not to use it earlier

And there are some minor stamina sources that add up over time

[glad ice]

actually since the expedition stamina boost i sometimes use a pot

[ancient needle]

Lemme actually check how many I have

79

[dry star]

Oh I see since endgame players already have finished built teams huh

[ancient needle]

And I used all of it when I was playing story

[dry star]

I used up all my potions for expedition mats

[ancient needle]

Yeah, you usually don't struggle with mats in the endgame

[glad ice]

yeah thats what u r recommended to do

[ancient needle]

But you will get broke on almost everything at least once

[dry star]

Must be nice

Btw do I need these for my coralie if I want to make her strong?

[ancient needle]

The improvement from them is very minor

If you don't have anywhere else to spend the Asterite, sure ig, but you probs do

[dry star]

Ok
Better to just quickly grind p2 story then for her sig

[gaunt oak]

very cost inefficient, you're better off spending the asterites on getting other A valks to higher ranks

[dry star]

Yeah I still need asterite to unlock coralie and terminal aide shards and also unlock valks for the dorm

[ancient needle]

You don't need ranks for TA tho

Or are you just doing it for funsies

[dry star]

Oh great

No i thought I had to build her well

[gaunt oak]

there should be a valk asterite investment guide in the pins somewherege

[ancient needle]

She's a placeholder, you wanna bench her as soon as you're able to

[dry star]

Help me i can't read pins fr

[ancient needle]

Do they not open or what

[dry star]

I'm joking I see it

[gaunt oak]

me too 😔 ill try and find it for u when i get off work bbg

[ancient needle]

Here's the pin wall: #👶beginner-help message

Ah, nvm

[dry star]

Oh no im just pulling your leg, its because Karl and I are helpers for HSR help and we often get people refusing to use pins

[ancient needle]

I assume it's a lot tougher to be a helper on a bigger server

Especially considering there's only 1 help channel iirc

[dry star]

🫡 I'll be using that guide then

[dry star]

It is, but more because there is significantly more misinfo in HSR meta compared to Hi3. Hi3 and its copycat, PGR basically have very predictable meta and pulling plans are relatively simple (pull every new character) don't need to backpull, and builds are not really up for debate

[ancient needle]

True

[left vale]

there are 2

[dry star]

A lot of HSR help is sometimes spent arguing/debating, though its lessened more ever since we added hsr version of Professors. Hopefully we can get the FAQ function like yall have here too

[left vale]

they learned their lesson lmao zzz has like 12

[ancient needle]

P2 and 9-week patches simplified making pulling decisions a lot

[ancient needle]

💀

[dry star]

Yeah in a way, its much easier in hi3 for players to know what to do. Yeah you have incomplete teams as new player, but its not complex where every pull or resource investment decision has sacrifices/consequences

Unless you're like me and forged Calm baby and leveled it to 50

[gaunt oak]

yea hi3 is basically just get all gears and you're good

[left vale]

just why

[dry star]

No rng either

[gaunt oak]

until you get atk-diffed via DKeys or affix

[ancient needle]

Don't get them and you're cooked

[ancient needle]

(only applicable to Nirvana)

[dry star]

Look... I didnt know it was free from p2 story... (I haven't touched it yet)

[left vale]

touch it pls
you get free calorie card and free wp for doing like legit nothing

[ancient needle]

They alr know lah

[left vale]

i fear i will never stop calling her calorie

[gaunt oak]

i get atk diffed in RL every few weeks or so

[ancient needle]

I fear it's not ATK diff

[dry star]

Its just skill issue karl

[ancient needle]

But either team diff or hands diff

[gaunt oak]

i followed marisa's rotation down to every detail and lack damage

[ancient needle]

There's a surprising amount of stuff you can optimize before you can truly call it ATK diff

[ancient needle]

That's the first issue, you're following a Marisa ref

[gaunt oak]

and by improvising you lose a few seconds anyway, which is still atk diff

[ancient needle]

Anyway, just ping me next time you think it's an ATK diff

[left vale]

marisa...

[ancient needle]

Your Gene Limits are alr maxed, right

And Dorm

[gaunt oak]

it's very rare and doesnt happen to me anymore since i synth 3'd my DKeys and got like 3 DKeys from new BP

i still am missing 3 DKeys tho

[dry star]

[gaunt oak]

s0 valks

[worn kestrel]

should I do the new event despite being new to the game? I'm level 42 and I'm not that deep into the story (still at the HoV part)

[ancient needle]

The new event is a separate storyline

Go ahead

[dire dragon]

doing events is priority, because of the rewards it gives. that being said though, if you look at the duration, you have like 1+ month to complete it. so yea.

[dire dragon]

hmmm, do you think we will have a new "captainverse" again? i mean not a continuation, but like a new set of storylines

[ancient needle]

No clue, gotta see how this event ends

[worn kestrel]

Aight. Thank you, both of you

[dire dragon]

i want a seperate story line with p1 units, ngl. not captainverse style, but something like sequential LTE. . .

[dry star]

@ancient needle is Dorm Level affected by the valks you own?

@gaunt oak has a lvl 2 Dorm yet somehow he has more onigiri regen rate and higher onigiri total cap than me (my dorm is lvl 5)

the Info tab ingame says cap is affected by dorm level and dorm comfort but I'm trying to understand why my cap/regen rate is lower

[ancient needle]

There are 2 types of Dorm lvl

One tied to owned valks (+ their ranks) and one tied to Comfort

Both affect the regen rate

[gaunt oak]

is 18/h the max rate

[dry star]

I managed to get nearly the same cap and regen as you through 1 month of dorm farming

[gaunt oak]

i fear i never paid attention to it

[ancient needle]

The first one also affects acc-wide stats like ATK and percentage buffs

[dry star]

I ignored dorms until I realized there were things I wanted to buy from dorm shop and I wanted to get more currency faster

[humble token]

Hello Guys. What does Valkyrie Bolstorm (A-Rank Helia)'s buff do? It's called Thunder Surge, and you activate it when you do the second part of her Special Skill.

[haughty elbow]

yes

[dry star]

thank you
im working on that one too but that one actually costs asterite to unlock old valks

[haughty elbow]

25% ele dmg
15% lightning dmg
+20% on both if outburst

she has more buffs

[humble token]

Thank you very much.

[haughty elbow]

u can read her kit for that

[humble token]

Wahoo!

[autumn oxide]

doesnt make her any better

[humble token]

Aww man.

I was hoping to use her with the stronger Helia, Planner Armament.

[ancient needle]

If you don't have any other gacha valks then go ahead

But otherwise you defo wanna be using smth else

[humble token]

Is Valkyrie Blastmetal or Eden any better?

[ancient needle]

"Planner Armament" 😭

[ancient needle]

Run Helia Coralie Helia

[humble token]

OKay, boss. I will trust you on this.

[ancient needle]

Yeah, it'll take a pretty long while until you manage to max it
Keep in mind WT valks give a lot as well

Like a year at least

Probs 1.5 actually

[dry star]

[dry star]

btw, I was looking at the pinned Asterite investment list, and it says to get SSS Helia if you pulled in 8.3

though everything I've read says A helia isnt worth investing in -- would this still be needed for paws?

[peak zodiac]

As a beginner would the sushang rerun be worth pulling on

[ancient needle]

The list is tailored more towards brand new players, but you alr have HoHE as one of the supps for PAWS

Getting her to SSS is still good for Dorm EXP (might be useful in MA too), but don't expect to be using her for long

[ancient needle]

Acceptable imo, but not recommended

[dry star]

gotcha thank you

[ancient needle]

Assuming you get Helia + her weap first ofc

[peak zodiac]

Yep I got helia with her wep

Same with songque

Senadina doesn’t have her wep tho

[ancient needle]

Okay, that's a different story

You shouldn't have went for Songque and Sena at all
How many pulls did you spend in total?

Roughly

[peak zodiac]

I do regret pulling for sena she took 80 along with songque

I’m having fun with songque tho

[ancient needle]

Yeah, you defo can't spare any pulls for Sushang then

[peak zodiac]

Spent some money

[ancient needle]

Maybe, but are you an actual whale though
Are you straight up buying crystals

[peak zodiac]

I only did the first double top up bonus for the crystals

Everything else I did the bundles using coins

[ancient needle]

Well, if your budget is not really limited you can go for Sushang if you wanna, but I probs would stop there for the patch

[peak zodiac]

Yea I’ll just push pity with what I have if not I’m going for the dragon girl

Still have a lot of f2p crystals I can farm

[ancient needle]

Just make sure that you don't end up with a weapless Sushang

[peak zodiac]

Got it btw how recent is sushang

[ancient needle]

Came out last patch

[peak zodiac]

Oh damn

[ancient needle]

If you aren't planning to spend more money anytime soon I'd hold back

[peak zodiac]

Sounds good

[wispy aurora]

With the #homu-playground Do we know what's the next months drop will be?

[amber finch]

bp+monthly ye

[ancient needle]

Well, considering that nothing's mentioned I think it's fair to assume that there won't be anything special

[autumn oxide]

are u gonna maintain that?

[rotund roost]

what team to use?

[lyric anvil]

No PAWS?

[sweet flax]

just use vita then (unless your sena is ranked/geared you could try that too)

[gloomy acorn]

Is er paws just spam atk

[rotund roost]

30 pity okay

[lyric anvil]

Unranked Sena from what I can see
Though yeah Sena, Helia, Vita or Vita Dps

[sweet flax]

why would you use helia with sena, he has hofi

[lyric anvil]

Feel your pain with that

[sweet flax]

which teammates?

cuz you want to weave in ults between your weapon active/attack sequence

[lyric anvil]

Lightning buff?

[storm lantern]

lightning buff doesn't matter, hofi has basically no personal damage its all from buffing sena and triggering her mark

[lyric anvil]

Ah

[storm lantern]

i dont think vbs has enough paralyze for this boss either but you could tell me she does literally any amount and i would believe you

[gloomy acorn]

Which one is best

[sweet flax]

well for this abyss ps (for hitcount) and fws

[gloomy acorn]

ER

[sweet flax]

oh wait er sorry I am blind as fuck

let me get cay's er guide

https://www.hoyolab.com/article/39655992

[amber finch]

monthly maybe, bp nope

14 dollers is still quite alot for me, thats atleast 18 choco bread

[autumn oxide]

by extension are u planning to maintain s0+1

[amber finch]

oh thats a definite yes

[autumn oxide]

as in get every valk s01

[amber finch]

oh prob not

monthly isnt enough to cover that

[autumn oxide]

i think it barely is tbh

just as long as u arent euphie

[amber finch]

yey

[autumn oxide]

90 for valk guarantee and he takes 91 to get s0

[dry python]

Rip yoofie

[amber finch]

lmao

[rotund roost]

Ve is violet executor right?

[sweet flax]

yes

[solar coral]

so i need two more valkyrie with symbiote trait to get ss hela ultimate skill after the combo attack during the stellar outburst? (because when i use ss helia with the starting chars i only get 570 SP and unable to combo properly since each ultimate cost 300 sp)

or am i missing something

[shadow gyro]

• which helia? paws?
• whats the team and your part 2 options
• can you record your rotation

[tall flax]

rip this is officially the end for Luna

[spiral badge]

i'm not sure what the SS skill does exactly but

during outburst even without those symbiosis supports, you should have enough sp to ult 3x for your first CA

afterwards normally with symbiosis supports you would swap to them to greatly restore sp and swap back to helia for another CA. You may still need to farm a bit more

without symbiosis valks, i don't think you can restore sp very well at all that it may jeopardize your 2nd CA

for now you may consider doing the first CA then ending the outburst early with the second part of the first ult to refund ARI. Alternatively maybe you can consider delaying your first CA and just doing other attacks to benefit from the outburst duration until your supporting effects are almost expired.

• if the 570 sp you mentioned earlier was for the second CA, then maybe you can farm the remaining 300 manually. I don't really see how that is possible though but maybe i'm missing something.

I don't know how you got your PAWS Helia to SS but for future reference, spending alot of crystals for higher gacha valk ranks aren't recommended especially when you're missing coverage and backbone to your team roster. Just in case you weren't already aware

[dry python]

especially since ss doesn't provide much utility

at least s2 makes rotations slightly faster

[spiral badge]

i'm not sure if i'm reading this right https://i.imgur.com/1fgSkzy.png

but it sounds like it's for non outburst

so you get a free ult input once your ARI gets maxed?

sounds situational to use because you may rather just enter outburst asap once it's filled

but i might be wrong about this whole thing

[dry python]

yes

by the time you're able to actually benefit from that

you have the usually more preferable option of just entering SO

kekfacepalm~1

[spiral badge]

s2 seems to be the only gameplay flow change to consider due to the extra weapon/evasion https://i.imgur.com/9rS8czl.png

(but again S.0 is fine enough for most intents and reasons. If you're f2p i do NOT recommend going out of your way and spending crystals for S2)

[wintry wharf]

but if u enter SO u lose the free ult ?

[dry python]

looks like it

[spiral badge]

it says in the last line entering SO cancels it

[wintry wharf]

[dry python]

it's like that one vita skill

i forgot which one

[wintry wharf]

S2 u can just spam weapon actives to have enough sp for all the ults dun even need to use basic atks or 3a cancels lel

[dry python]

yeah her s2 is actually good

ss is bait

wow like thel

[wintry wharf]

at least thel has more rime trauma at SS

[spiral badge]

yeah s2 sounds nice. But anyway let's not sell on it too much here. It's still excessive

[spiral badge]

can you show your fight?

It probably is uphill for luna at this point but this fight is also more technical because of how husk's vulnerability works that you might be losing alot of points from flawed execution

mainly i would be look for how you control your damge when reaching halfway of "x7" bars. Right before reaching that point, you should probably be refreshing for a new rotation so you can maximize damage from the vulnerability as much as possible. You should also paralyze husk around that point and get one more paralysis before it gets back up.

[wispy aurora]

Is there any way to get weapon res without salvaging weapons?

[spiral badge]

not really. Salvaging is the wrong term too

it's convert

salvaging gives you a honkai shard. Don't do that. You have other ways to get that

[wispy aurora]

You knew what I meant. Still any other way or just that?

[solar coral]

CA is?

[spiral badge]

i already said not really.

Sure i know what you meant but I still need to set things straight since this is still a public space where other people are learning from.

[spiral badge]

Charged/Combo attack. Often refers to hold attack inputs. Please use the glossary in the future

!faq glossary

[small willow]

Glossary of Terms

There are so many abbreviations, Captain! What do they mean?

Use CTRL + F or 'Find in Page' to quick search abbreviations in the Glossary of Terms: e.g., ' RC ' (the spaces help!)

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary_of_Terms

Still not sure? [Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Visual Guide for using the Glossary (applies to both PC and Mobile).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

also in the pins

[spiral badge]

if you really need another source then reserve work shop but that's probably a waste

[wispy aurora]

Damn, Only P1 weapons get converted right?

Also fair enough

[spiral badge]

i'm not sure about p2 weapons but those dupes should always go towards synergy upgrades

[wispy aurora]

Unless 🐳 or I get lucky I don't think I'll be gettign more than 1x of a weapon

[spiral badge]

basically i'm referring to when you have the third light on your meter and can hold attack for the rev'd up punch

[spiral badge]

yeah you should never be aiming for syn2 or 3. that's whale or luck territory for sure

it's a bit more notable for some valks but still too much for a RL f2p that we usually standardized by

[solar coral]

thanks… i was curious about refunding the ARI?

that’s possible?

[spiral badge]

it depends on the valk. some valks have the option of ending outburst early and getting a bit more ARI depending on how much is left

songque valk (JDS) is the other example

https://i.imgur.com/6wRwi01.png

[amber finch]

sairaaan

weird request but do you have any no weap helia rl refs

[spiral badge]

no

sry

[amber finch]

[spiral badge]

the only weaponless stuff i have in mind are just beta testing results from wyv and cn players

mainly with vbs' weapon since that was event free at one point

[wintry wharf]

u can watch a nirvana ref and use it for red lotus

[amber finch]

hmghe

[wintry wharf]

the less D is the no weapon

[amber finch]

thx for the idea daniel

[spiral badge]

yeah but does the weapon have any gameplay flow changes

[sweet flax]

mainly the initial sp in so

you would lose that among dmg buffs and the time frozen domain

[spiral badge]

that sounds important lol so you'll prob have to adjust for that

[amber finch]

iirc she has timestop too right

with weap*

[spiral badge]

just keep in mind you're fighting husk. So the timing of your paralysis and when you start your outburst are the key factors

[thick bolt]

1.5s timestop on DA bow, timesave

[amber finch]

im just trying to 730 bc awa said i could

i mean i can tank it and just +100 when a favorable weather comes by

[sweet flax]

honestly just try to t10 if there are sleepers in the leaderboard

otherwise I dont see the point of trying to get more score atm

how's your weapon banner pity looking?

[amber finch]

55 til weap or smt so not ideal

[storm lantern]

i got 780 in NA dist but it was pretty tight tbh, could just be a rot issue though

[amber finch]

i do have monthly and knight so it shouldnt be so bad

[sweet flax]

you might as well have skipped helia atp

[amber finch]

im just going refless with hohe and sus

[sweet flax]

you wont be getting her weapon before her shills end without divine intervention

[amber finch]

cant skip da 2.0

the only reason i stuck to hi3 is bc of da’s gameplay and da herself

[sweet flax]

fair enough
im just gonna wait for da dkey

[storm lantern]

my helia luck made me buy monthly

[amber finch]

dropped an insane 14 dollars into this shitty game

[sweet flax]

smh you two are such whels

[storm lantern]

fr

[amber finch]

my 18 choco breads

[storm lantern]

i bought two even !!

[sweet flax]

actual whel

gg, im surrounded by whels

[amber finch]

ooo

im getting close

[sweet flax]

huge

[tall flax]

https://streamable.com/g5cuex

[ocean kelp]

is there any easily obtainable units thaat go well with helia

no idea what other valkaryies to use on her team

[sweet flax]

what valks do you already own

[spiral badge]

main thing i'm concerned about is the paralysis when it is downed. You weren't able to para it again midway. Maybe change your attack sequences beforehand to see if you can manipulate that better. Try checking out past cycles of luna against husk too for ideas.

[sweet flax]

well not much choice then, you'd have to make do with vbm and vbs (a ranks coralie and helia, they are farmable in asterite shop) until you get a unit with the symbiosis trait in the future, does paws already have her weapon?

[spiral badge]

i'm actually busy now so i can't help as thoroughly sorry ron

[ocean kelp]

not yet i think i need to get to part 2 of story to get it?

[sweet flax]

to add, coralie and her weapon is obtainable as the first 2 rewards in p2 story

[sweet flax]

to get paws' weapon?

or did you mean coralie

[ocean kelp]

whos paws sorry

[sweet flax]

the s rank helia on banner right now, because there are 2 helia suits
paws and vbs

[ocean kelp]

oh

not yet im going to get it before the patch ends probably

[sweet flax]

I see, in that case try to get vbs helia as soon as you can from asterite shop and coralie from p2 story rewards

for the meantime you can use rc and kira as supports for paws to clear q-manifold

[ocean kelp]

is the other helia this one?

[sweet flax]

yep

[ocean kelp]

ok thanks

this one is coralie?

[sweet flax]

yes, but coralie can be obtained from p2 story rewards

[ocean kelp]

i shouldnt buy her with asterite though right since shes from the story?

ok thanks

[sweet flax]

ye, you are a beginner right? do you have the beginner manual available

[ocean kelp]

yes

[sweet flax]

one of your missions will ask you to clear a mission in the first chapter of part 2

you will be able to get coralie + her weapon then if you dont wanna rush story

[ocean kelp]

yeah im stuck on that one atm

[sweet flax]

ye that's the one

[ocean kelp]

how much of part 2 can i do before part 1 chars get involved

[sweet flax]

part 1 characters or spoilers for part 1 itself are not present in the first 3 chapters, it gets mentioned in chapter 3 ex though and starts becoming a main part of the p2 story in chapter 4

your manual wont tell you to do anything beyond chapter 1

[ocean kelp]

ok thanks good to know ill probably do the first chapter then today to get those rewards

also are any of these useful or are they all obsolete

[sweet flax]

there's a pin regarding this egg, do check it out

the main point of the egg is to get a valk who's available in elysian realm for some crystals as well as dorm levels

[ocean kelp]

ok thanks ill check it out

[raw wraith]

can i use new helia as main dps without li sushang ?

[shadow gyro]

whats do you have?

ps is one of her best supports but u can still use her without ps if you don't have her

[raw wraith]

i have all p2 valks except PS and Lantern

[shadow gyro]

fws and hohe w/ dkey can do

dudu if you even need someone for shieldbreak

[raw wraith]

so her team will be Helia - fws and Dudu ?

[amber finch]

would this be hetter

is there a test from wyv for heli weaps

lemme check actually

hmge

i’ll try anwyays

[shadow gyro]

paws, fws, hohe(/dudu if u need her mechanic)

[raw wraith]

thats rlly sad bcz Hohe i don't have her weapon

and her rank is S0

[shadow gyro]

wait you don't have her dkey?

then you would use dudu

[raw wraith]

do you know when her dkeys rerun ?

[amber finch]

i completely forgor that a helia’s weap has tdm on wa kek

[shadow gyro]

no, and its gonna be random based on what hoyo wanna do

at least for now it won't rerun this patch

[amber finch]

704

[sweet flax]

Id like to add to the previous comment, even if it does rerun soon the odds of it being as good of a pull on its debut is very low

Unless you have the crystals at that time. Pulling the dkey could ruin some progression for your account in terms of meta

[raw wraith]

i have 25k crystals

[sweet flax]

Well that doesn't matter right now I'm speaking about a chance in the future that isn't garunteed

I'm just letting you know thats a possibility

[raw wraith]

help why i always dead at this

this stupid thing

[amber finch]

asu

[sweet flax]

Ches

[amber finch]

i shouldnt wait for sushi ult to be off cd when i switch her in right

[sweet flax]

Is this pre so or post so

[amber finch]

pre

[sweet flax]

I don't think you need to ult pre so iirc

But I'll dbl check

[amber finch]

its like 1-2s til sus ult and i just awkwardly stand there waiting for it to be off cd

[sweet flax]

I haven't really been paying much attention to paws rots

[dry python]

How is your ult on cd

Cdeeznuts

[amber finch]

sus hoh

[dry python]

Ic

[amber finch]

whar the fork

[dry python]

[amber finch]

the entire rot is too fast for sus ult to be off cd

705 rn

[sweet flax]

[amber finch]

25 more til i can reach the goal that awa said was possible

this is what happens

i use wa because of A helia’s weap giving tdm

do i just skip sus ult if that happens or wait for it to be off cd

[sweet flax]

You should probably try and see how you do with an ult skip

[amber finch]

aight

[sweet flax]

If the score gets worse it clearly doesn't work

[amber finch]

ye its worse hmghe or am i doing it wrong

[sweet flax]

Hmmm

[amber finch]

i did get to the phase faster but for some reason i only full kill at 720~ instead of 740-50 like my normal run

[dry python]

Why don't you use sus wa

[amber finch]

i stopped the run bc it was worse

just took the ss late

[dry python]

No your recording

[amber finch]

oh that

its longer

[dry python]

[amber finch]

sus wa eats more points than me just waiting for cd

[dry python]

Just the tap WA??

Pretty sure it's not that long of an animation

[amber finch]

actually i havent tried that

[dry python]

Bruh

[amber finch]

i just did the full wa seq

[dry python]

You did the WA > combo > WA didn't you

You kek

[amber finch]

no

just tap wa for the full bar

[dry python]

And that takes too long??

[amber finch]

just a teeny tiny bit longer than me waiting for cd to be off

[dry python]

Also for hoh aim WA is faster than just tapping

[amber finch]

oh now thats new to me

thx haybale

[dry python]

It's been known since her release 3 years ago

[amber finch]

[amber finch]

i literally have never played her

[dry python]

[sweet flax]

...

blud what

[amber finch]

woah hohe aiming is real

[amber finch]

i thought cay meant the full combo

[dry python]

Brah

[junior knoll]

wow kewl new valk