👶beginner-help

[small willow]

Astral Ring Specialization - Grail of Infinitude

Allow me to explain, Captain!

The "Grail of Infinitude" Astral Ring Specialization revolves around the team sharing SP in Stellar Outburst. Valkyries with this Specialization have the ability to consume huge amounts of SP to deal damage.

Valkyiries with the "Symbiosis" tag can support them by greatly boosting max SP, generating large amounts of SP for the shared SP pool, and their ult cost will be 0 in Stellar Outburst which leaves more SP in the pool for the leader to consume.

During Stellar Outburst, consuming SP will generate "Shining Trace" reaching a certain amount of Shining Trace will give you a stack of "Facet of Infinitude" which gives teamwide buffs. You can observe your amount of Shining Trace by looking for a white glow around your SP bar. Valkyries with the Symbiosis tag additionally provide "Shining trace" with their first ult during SO.

Examples:

• Grail of Infinitude Specialization:
  • Planar Armament: Warped Spacetime
  • Hi ♪ Love Elf ❤︎
• Has "Symbiosis":
  • Peregrine Sword
  • Ba-Dum! Fiery Wishing Star
  • Behold! Fate-Defying Dragon

[frozen crypt]

:3

[sweet flax]

no hohe on symbiosis tag smh (thanks for making this)

[wind comet]

what teams can I do?

[frozen crypt]

[sweet flax]

weather dependant, but generally speaking you dont quite have complete teams yet

[wind comet]

what characters should I get? I want to complete teams

[sweet flax]

how many crystals do you have right now, the go to advise is to be patient and wait until you can secure other future units to synergise with your current ones

[wind comet]

I am pulling for new helia weapon, I have her stigmatas.

[lyric anvil]

Also learned during MA that they get a free Ult when having zero SP
Badum and Sushi

[frozen crypt]

As the faq says, their ult cost is reduced to 0 as part of the Symbiosis tag effects

[lyric anvil]

Ah
Fun

[vast creek]

any 1 know what this numbers mean?

[sweet flax]

when you get 3 signets of a specific path (flamechaser)
you will be given a choice between 1 of 2 core signets of that path

the numbers represent which of the 2 core signets you should choose

[vast creek]

OHHH that's how you read it

how about that Act VI?

[sweet flax]

honestly might just be an independant signet

I am not too sure

[vast creek]

ohh okayy, thanks bery muchh!!

[lyric anvil]

Likely is

[frozen crypt]

Thats VillV signets they are named in roman numerals, aponia signets are also named in number with "first" "second" "third" etc.

[sweet flax]

ye but it looks so out of place I wasnt too sure

[lyric anvil]

Fair

[sweet flax]

also im not sure what signet guide would recommend 6 different signet paths

you are gonna need rngesus of all rng

[lyric anvil]

I mainly used Deliverance and Gold

[sweet flax]

eden2 by any chance?

since the max sp would be enough iirc

[abstract sequoia]

i took it as whats usually possible with good luck

order from left to right

[lyric anvil]

Eden 1
Did try 2 but 1 though really-

[sweet flax]

still tryna figure out who needs kevin AND mobius signets but also wants vv signet for sp

[abstract sequoia]

his hot 7t build ig https://marisaimpact.com/valk/hot?er

[lilac reef]

Yea I saw that earlier lmao. Now what about fish skip compensation?

[lyric anvil]

I didn't get any compensation

[abstract sequoia]

i mean it kinda makes sense if Kurikara counts as a summon, but wouldn't mobius 2 be better then?

since its a single summon that stays for longer

or idk no mobius at all and just vill-v core

[sweet flax]

kurikara's a summon?

usually the game mentions it if it is a summon no?

[abstract sequoia]

with 7t i think it was after ult

[sweet flax]

ah ok found it

If she casts weapon active in burst mode and Finisher before exit, the dragon will remain on the field as a summoned entity and bombard enemies in mid-air.

[abstract sequoia]

mhm

[sweet flax]

mobius 2 sucks

[abstract sequoia]

never used it, just saw it recommended for eepy afk

[sweet flax]

mobius 1 enhanced signets are just much much better

thing is, since the summon is on field but doesnt deal much dmg, you wouldnt go mobius 2
the reason you went it on eepy teri is because the summons were dealing the majority of the damage

[abstract sequoia]

oh

[sweet flax]

mobius 2 enhances all non-playable entities on the field (summons, support valks and elfs)

[abstract sequoia]

i see

[sweet flax]

while mobius 1 enhances the valk while there are entities on the field

so if you summon entities but still do dps, mobius 1 is much better

[abstract sequoia]

so if we ever get another cross user with a good summon, its on the table again

or generally someone with dmg summons

[sacred mango]

i got paws but i dont have enough symbiosis valk, is there any announcement for HoH weapon banner?

[sweet flax]

eh debatable, better to see case by case situations

[abstract sequoia]

i kinda wanna try that with RI, but probably a bad idea

just to see how much those turrets can deal

[sweet flax]

banner announcements are in #💁gameplay-help pins, although it probably will be a while before we see hohe dkey in the future
have you already gotten paws weapon btw?

and as long as you have at least 1 symbiosis valk at the moment, it shouldnt be too bad, you will just have to wait for a future unit with better value instead of backpulling unless you are aiming for hohe due to personal preference

[sweet flax]

holy fuck ri 😭

[abstract sequoia]

paws as a first valk isnt bad either together with VBs and VBm

[abstract sequoia]

yea I somehow have her SSS

[sweet flax]

I dont think ri even went mobius signets in the past

since aponia2 was bullshit

[abstract sequoia]

bullshit broken?

[sweet flax]

ye

[abstract sequoia]

ah

[sweet flax]

aponia2 + griseo2

[abstract sequoia]

probably got nerfed then

i did try it, but alone its garbage

need 2 cores for finality

or you dont pass huodou

[sacred mango]

i got full set for paws already, i also got hohe but dont have her part 2 weapon, regretted didnt pull her weapon

[sweet flax]

honestly all this is making me redecide the hoo build im doing for er, I cant even clear abstinance because I have to use von neumann tb and senadina m 😭

[abstract sequoia]

and you rly have nothing else?

[sweet flax]

well I have zhenyi b

[abstract sequoia]

keep talking

[sacred mango]

only coralie

[abstract sequoia]

i meant asu

[sweet flax]

you dont have ps fws or rs?

how many crystals do you have at the moment

[sacred mango]

this is my part 2 valk. i got over 90k crystal

[sweet flax]

you have 90k crystals?

[abstract sequoia]

[sweet flax]

honestly pulling ps in this case might be justifiable no?

[sacred mango]

who is ps?

[sweet flax]

peregrine sword sushang

[abstract sequoia]

how do you even have 90k?

[sweet flax]

saving

[sacred mango]

i ddint pull since songque

[abstract sequoia]

jesus

someone with actual restrain

[sweet flax]

well since you have 90k, you are gonna have to deal with using hofi and coralie as your supports for the meantime
when sushang banner comes out in 2 weeks, you can consider pulling her to have a proper support, since you can also garuntee the next 2 patch valks as well

[abstract sequoia]

honestly, wouldnt badum be a better pick here?

[sweet flax]

assuming badum is rerunning and more info on the next valk is available I cant say for certai n

[abstract sequoia]

this way, they can still make senadina work and badum covers more

[sweet flax]

I was also thinking of it as bleed niche and sushang was more recent for future weathers + synergy with paws typing (both being bio) + hitcount

[abstract sequoia]

while SD is just won

[abstract sequoia]

okay true

both have huge upsides

[sweet flax]

also in situations where paws cant be used (physical weather, aka lightning down, ps would be the go to valk)

[sacred mango]

hmm. guess i will go for sushang

[sweet flax]

spoiler the second part, not announced yet

it also counts as story spoilers, so you should technically avoid mentioning anything about it at all

[abstract sequoia]

yea, that valk is only known to cn so far

keep it in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion for now if you want to talk about it

[sacred mango]

i come for this game because of the new trio, senadina + helia + coralie

[sweet flax]

either way, 90k is enough to garuntee ps, 8.4 valk and 8.5 valk which should get your account in tip top shape

[sacred mango]

didnt know paws need so many support

i also generally like trio type of team, my last favourite was hofi + hoo + hot, this 3 is really fun to play

[abstract sequoia]

i mean paws is part of a new astral ring. she will have new supports later down the line

[sweet flax]

she just needs supports with the symbiosis trait, unfortunately there are only 4 right now, and she is the first valk of this ring type so its understandable to be lacking

[sacred mango]

sorry sorry for the spoiler btw

[sweet flax]

just put this || between the messages

[abstract sequoia]

its okay, just edit your message like asumara said

[sacred mango]

wokie. another reason why i ask for HoHe is because i like elysia also. haha

[sweet flax]

my main concern with hohe dkey is that it will lose value once the next ring comes by (which will still be a while), it has value as a dkey, but newer valks can provide more value
also since its a dkey, its hard to predict when its gonna rerun, so you cant really plan for it

[sacred mango]

but she need the dkey for her to works as part 2 valk right?

[sweet flax]

yes

same as hofi

[sacred mango]

i already got hofi new set. makes her more fun to play and makes her works for senadina also

[sweet flax]

but unlike hofi, her ring is not roo, so she cant slot into every p2 team

[sacred mango]

yeah. thats the weird part. but at least she still works with senadina

[sweet flax]

with senadina supporting her? ye

if you mean senadina dps, then no she cant work with sena in that case

[sacred mango]

then i am playing her team wrong all the time🤣

i am using senadina + helia + HoFi

[sweet flax]

ye that works, helia and hofi both have the domain resonance tag to support senadina

[sacred mango]

for HoFi team, i still using her original trio team

[sweet flax]

that's her only team

where she's a dps

[sacred mango]

i actually using too much of senadia + helia + coralie

they carry me for the entire part 2

up to the point that i dont really know how to use other team 😭

[sacred mango]

how do you use this team?

[sweet flax]

which one hohe team?

generally you'd have thelema as the 3rd unit
when you are charging your astrail ring you play as thelema dps, when the ring is ready you swap into hohe and stellar outburst to do hohe's dps rot
senadina can apply her buffs off field so you dont need to switch into her

[sacred mango]

nono, you said senadina support HoFi

i curious how the team works

or are you talking about senadina supporting HoHe, might be my mistake

[sweet flax]

ye I was talking about senadina supporting hohe

[sacred mango]

okok.my bad

[sweet flax]

as I mentioned earlier
hofi dps is literally the trio team

[sacred mango]

this team sounds interesting. but my main target now is making paws work first

[hidden cave]

Uh how do the invite codes work?

[sacred mango]

thanks for the advice asumara

[sweet flax]

in the bonuses tab, if you are below lvl 26 you can input another player's invite code and compelte missions to get some rewards

[sweet flax]

yes, also thelema is currently unobtainable (with bp to be expected as her next appearance, which means she wont be f2p accessible for a while)

so for now its best to ignore that team and prioritise newer units to establish your account more properly

[hidden cave]

Oh I got it as a returnee, I'm lvl 88, anything I could do with it?

[sweet flax]

I think returnees can put in a code too, do you need one?

[hidden cave]

Yeah it's saying I can put one in

And I get rewards for giving mine out

[sweet flax]

@abstract sequoia you wanna give yours or?

since I think the previous guy used mine earlier

[abstract sequoia]

yea would be nice

[sweet flax]

go ahead then

[abstract sequoia]

ty for considering me

[hidden cave]

Thanks! Should I give mine as well?

[abstract sequoia]

208538040QR

no need, i cant use it

[sweet flax]

you can put your code in #invite-links-here if you want

[abstract sequoia]

returnees and beginners only can use it

but sharing is always possible

[hidden cave]

Nice, I got the crystals, thanks so much!

[abstract sequoia]

np really

[hidden cave]

The rwards are nice so will give it a shot

[rugged sorrel]

803 at a3 bsc dont have sushang weapon

[ancient needle]

S2 but DoS

[rugged sorrel]

this patch her weapon rerun

i left 18k crystal

but i need to save for next patch

[abstract sequoia]

either one or the other i guess

[dapper vigil]

whod i use to break hitcount when using helia-badum-ely

[abstract sequoia]

helia herself

[shadow gyro]

did you get lucky with the ranks or?

[abstract sequoia]

she has a lot of hits in her kit

[rugged sorrel]

yes

i get her s2 within 90 pulls

sushang i get multi in a 10 pull

but dont have weapon dmg -50%

[olive ivy]

uh how did this work again? never bothered to get to redlotus, does it get real grindy?

[shadow gyro]

i see, you can play for now, if the sus bosses proved to be too ass for you maybe try for the weapon but i would hold off for now

[sweet flax]

as long as you have hands you will be fine, did you pull helia?

[olive ivy]

yes

[sweet flax]

then you probably wont be back to agony 3 for a while

[shadow gyro]

and her wp?

[dapper vigil]

shes really not fast after the inital qte + weapon

[olive ivy]

ye i've got the weapon too

[shadow gyro]

that's good, you'll be fine

[abstract sequoia]

doesnt matter, you dont see badum nor ely do many hits do you?

and make sure you keep ult state up, where the blades add onto the hit count

[rugged sorrel]

i get 803 at a3

[olive ivy]

my roster is essentially everyone from december back when i started, all the new banners since then and managed to get everyone's weapon

[shadow gyro]

remember to do different runs and look at refs when u need it
rl is mostly/sometimes slack but you'll be fine as long as you focus

[dapper vigil]

im trying but that husk isnt husk, its actually pretty beefy and oneshots me

[rugged sorrel]

i simply mald, i dont know is my rotation correct or wrong

[abstract sequoia]

clocky is just built different, that's why he's psy instead of img

[shadow gyro]

that should be enough for a3, but you'll go to rl so do check how you'll perform there by then since sus's bosses will return

[rugged sorrel]

oh ya

[abstract sequoia]

previous patch valk bosses returned consistently

[rugged sorrel]

until now, the valk i get to s2 r hofi, helia and sushang

[shadow gyro]

did you test your characters in the trial, do you look at refs? do you check guides outside of the game?

[dapper vigil]

... i wish he was imaginary

[rugged sorrel]

nope, i mald myself

[abstract sequoia]

we have enough of those

[rugged sorrel]

nowdays too tired, i didnt see any ref.

[shadow gyro]

i recommend doing what i mentioned, esp the 2 and 3

oh ic

[dapper vigil]

thats not the kind of imaginary i was going for

[abstract sequoia]

oh

[shadow gyro]

although it hurts to take a break from the game but if you need it or need to relax, its okay, take ur time

[dapper vigil]

its so ass
i demand a 4th slot for fischl

[rugged sorrel]

no i mean, i play everyday but i am not that serious malding for the score

[wispy aurora]

Cooking fr

[rugged sorrel]

450D

[wispy aurora]

Yeah I know easy back to RL

Until they drop 2 weeks of bosses I can't cook on

[shadow gyro]

try to add more time in doing abyss so u can at least stay in rl
unless you're really not worried about scoring but getting the rl reward constantly would be nice

[rugged sorrel]

last time i mald seriously and retain rl for many times but now, i am lazy

but now i get s2 helia so maybe i can try get to rl and retain

[shadow gyro]

its alright, just know that if you can u can easily stay in rl, u don't need the ranks even, just more time to do abyss

and obv look at refs to know what you're doing

[marble stag]

Is new val good?

[abstract sequoia]

new valk always good

[wispy aurora]

[abstract sequoia]

the question is relative

[marble stag]

:))

[shadow gyro]

i wonder if i should use my 2 affix boxes on paws or if i wait and see how does she handle her bosses

[shadow gyro]

hows ur p2 list?

asuka flex

[rugged sorrel]

thelema, sena, sq, helia, coralie, kiana and vita only

hofi and ely have astral ring stig set

[rugged sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986301185206149140/1193464981992255560/1704374859794053.gif

[shadow gyro]

do they have their wp?

that alr looks good

[rugged sorrel]

all 4/4

[shadow gyro]

rl is fine for u tbh

[rugged sorrel]

ori helia+ new helia 4/4*

[rugged sorrel]

yeah

[shadow gyro]

u have sus too right, since u didn't mention that in this msg

[rugged sorrel]

yes

[shadow gyro]

i see yeah ur good

[rugged compass]

I love lantern <3 /hj

...she was a sad case

[gloomy grotto]

hey so i jus started playing like yesterday and got helia + wep and was wondering who should i save for next? just next new valk or some reruns would work?

[rugged compass]

Save ur xtals

[thick bolt]

next valk

!faq backpull

[small willow]

What is 'Backpulling'?

Captain! Ai-chan can help!

'Backpulling' refers to pulling a Valkyrie or her equipment (or both!) on a rerun instead of on her release.

For more information on why this is considered damaging to an account for Captains who want to pursue meta in the game, click [here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[gloomy grotto]

fair

[bright oxide]

!faq abbr

Help

!faq abbreviations

!faq abbreviations

[primal heron]

u cant

[ancient needle]

Only Profs and above can use this command

Just check the pins for the glossary

[primal heron]

on prof and rank above can

[bright oxide]

I found it

[peak zodiac]

Is the expedition quest not from this?

I’ve done over 5 stages and not one is completed

[ancient needle]

You need to do the AFK version of them through the Dorm menu

[jolly pulsar]

When is anni? The patch after next patch?

[thick bolt]

should be 8.5 ya

[jolly pulsar]

Are we in 8.3

[thick bolt]

just started

[jolly pulsar]

I’ve lost track

[jolly pulsar]

So I guess I should probably save until 8.5 then

[peak zodiac]

Oh ok

[celest shard]

New Helia is kinda fun.

[peak zodiac]

Could a sensei have more than one cadet at a time

[ancient needle]

Yes, 2 max

[celest shard]

Yes, up to 2

[shut crow]

should I actually upgrade her so I can clear q manifold stages easier or wait for tommor so I can get herrsher of the void

[neon orbit]

Does Helia need to have Sushang or I could use Elysia instead

[ancient needle]

Either is fine to use, shouldn't matter much at such a low level

[ancient needle]

Ely is a bit worse but is still very solid

Purely damage-wise ofc, Sushang has hitcount utility, which is very useful for this cycle

[neon orbit]

so just purely for hit shields and not much?

[ancient needle]

For this cycle yes
But overall DMG is slightly higher with Sushang as well
Again, not a must by any means

[echo patio]

How can I efficiently raise dorm comfort? It feels like sometimes just buying objects raises comfort, even without placing them, but other times not?

[peak zodiac]

So I unlocked the post exploration open world but was wondering how do I unlock the open world with yae miko

[outer spruce]

i think you have to be level 50

[peak zodiac]

Damn

Also do u get helias weapon for free in part 2 or nah

[outer spruce]

nah coralie's only

[odd robin]

Hey y'all, I have a really ancient account that I stopped playing on quite some time ago, I heard there's been a lot of changes recently and thought to get into the game again. Any tips/pulling advice would be appreciated. I haven't checked the pins for any thing. Also I'd like to know if this is the right time to start a new account. (Like for example, if the current patch is ending soon and it'd be better if I start during the next patch)

[ancient needle]

How ancient are we talking?
And yeah, starting a new acc rn is a good idea

[outer spruce]

current patch just started

[ancient needle]

For info you can check the pins, this is a good starting point: #👶beginner-help message

Ofc feel free to ask if you don't understand smth

[odd robin]

I think I left around the first time we got HoHE was it? The elysia herrscher

[ancient needle]

Yeah, defo gotta make a new one

[odd robin]

The account has been there for a long time (I have the beach skins)

[odd robin]

Oh, alright. Thank you

[ancient needle]

Oh wow
You could keep it if you have a lot of limited Divine Keys, but I feel like you'll just quit cuz of crippled crystal income

(you'll likely have to skip this patch in its entirety)

[odd robin]

I did have all the dks that were available back then iirc. But then the reason I quit back then was because of crippled crystal income

[ancient needle]

[ancient needle]

You'll get most of them back with time anyway

[odd robin]

I'll just make a new acc. Can't wait to play all the story again

[glass copper]

Hi, does anyone remember if you need to kill all of these guys in chapter 14?

I killed all of them and then they respawned, idk what am I doing wrong

ok nvm something bugged and after I got out of chapter and got in again it works

[solar drum]

well chapter is old theres bound to be some unchecked bugs

[potent crow]

man i dont understand husk boss, sometimes he summons clone, sometimes he doesn't

[hidden cave]

Hey are SP supply cards still a thing? I have 10 but can't use em

Also the Homu legend proof currency for the homu time traveler shop, got 27 and can't use em lol

[thick bolt]

just valkyrie and equipment supply cards (blue and red cards)

can just hope for time capsule to come next patch or after atp

[haughty elbow]

sp is probably never coming back

[prisma yacht]

what is the difference between this and normal rainbow ?

[ancient needle]

This one has a higher level cap (i. e. extra stats) and has better effects

No reason not to go for it

Just keep in mind that it'll start from 1/50

[prisma yacht]

you mean basically i have to upgrade this weapon twice ?

already out of honkai shards lol

[ancient needle]

The base weapon starts from 1/35 and goes to 50/50
This weap starts from 1/50 and goes to 65/65

[ancient needle]

It won't require them

[prisma yacht]

only the base weapon ?

[ancient needle]

• you can't get it beyond lvl 50/50 until you reach lvl 81

[prisma yacht]

is there anything useful here that i should get ?

i mean if no i would love to buy the shards

[ancient needle]

There is, but not right now
And getting Shards from here is a terrible idea

They can be bought with AE Imaginons from the Asterite shop

And AE Imaginons can be farmed via Open World tasks

[prisma yacht]

i don't have any lol

[ancient needle]

You misunderstood a bit
The Asterite shop has a position where you can buy 1 Honkai Shard for 50 AE Imags

[prisma yacht]

yeah ik
in order to buy ae s you need aserites right ?

[ancient needle]

You don't really wanna be buying them for Asterite

The shop in your Starter Manual should have AE Imags

[prisma yacht]

starter manual ?

[prisma yacht]

too late 😂
i spent like 50k of aserites buying those ae s

[ancient needle]

The book in the bottom middle of the main menu
Are you not a new player?

[ancient needle]

No biggie, but don't do that in the future

[prisma yacht]

i'm some sort of a returner
but before i quit the game i was still a new player
so i'm still a new player

actually i used to ask my questions from you back then
if you remember

[ancient needle]

Well, are you on a new acc or not rn

[prisma yacht]

nope
i don't have that

[ancient needle]

I assume not then

[prisma yacht]

nope same old acc

[ancient needle]

How many more Honkai Shards do you need?

[prisma yacht]

2

[prisma yacht]

if you mean new by acc
i wouldn't say my acc is completely new
i'm level 56
buy mentally i'm new and dk shit

[ancient needle]

Normally I'd recommend to make a new acc in that case, but you alr have Helia + weap

So ig it's best to just roll with it now (unless you're willing to reroll ofc)

[prisma yacht]

like returner doesn't have a meaning in hi's world ?

[ancient needle]

Returnee event is garbage

While starter event is huge

[prisma yacht]

better than gi's

[ancient needle]

Not sure about that tbh

[ancient needle]

Story gives a lot of AE Imags iirc, you can farm them up that way

[prisma yacht]

i mean so far i have her and her weapon and will be able to get helia valkyrie in 5 days

[ancient needle]

P1 story

[prisma yacht]

this where i am in terms of story
i never really played story that much specially the missions that don't let you use your own team

am i late in in the story or just the start ?

[ancient needle]

I can't tell at all based on these screenshots

Gotta remember that yourself

Considering your level you shouldn't be far

[glass copper]

Would it be better for me to get Kiana herrscher, mei herrscher, fu Hua herrscher or sirin?

[ancient needle]

None of them are to be actually used long-term, check "War Treasury" in the pins

Also, you should get Coralie's weapon from the first chapter of Part 2 story

[glass copper]

Can I do part 2 chapter 1 if Im still at the patt 1 story

[ancient needle]

Yes

[glass copper]

Okay thank you

[hidden cave]

Damn

[dapper bison]

Hello, I havent play Hi3 for like ages and wanna play again but wanna start a new account without rerolling the account, is it fine?

[ancient needle]

Yeah, absolutely

I suggest you check the pins here for info, this is a good starting point: #👶beginner-help message

Ofc feel free to ask about stuff if you don't understand smth

[dapper bison]

Okay thank you I really do not want to reroll tho

[ancient needle]

Not mandatory at all

[dapper bison]

Okay thank you, i'll make the account and do the tutorial and stuff

@ancient needle Hey sorry for ping can i ask?

[ancient needle]

No need to apologize, and just ask straight away

[dapper bison]

Ive read the guides, regarding banner im assuming its a bit outdated? I may be wrong tho. what I wanna ask is that since im particularry a new player now, should I save for current banner or keep for future banner? lets say if I managed to save up to 20k crystas

[indigo hinge]

Only roll on a banner if you can guarantee the valkyrie + her weapon

[ancient needle]

1. It's not outdated at all, Discord just doesn't show when the message was edited last time
2. Beginner income is massive, you can comfortably afford Planar Armament + her weap

[dapper bison]

Planar Armament?

[ancient needle]

That's not really applicable to brand new players

[dapper bison]

Oh okay good thing to know that its not outdated

[ancient needle]

The current valk on the banner (you need to level up a lil bit to unlock all banners)

[dapper bison]

okay

[ancient needle]

Getting the valk early even without the weap is a massive improvement in the beginning
Ofc you should grab the weap while the banner lasts, and there's a shit ton of time left

[wispy aurora]

Wait a second, didn't this get patched?

[ancient needle]

What exactly

[wispy aurora]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG4venbfMhg

[dapper bison]

thanks teammate

you have armada btw teammate?

[ancient needle]

There are 2 ways to do it: with jump and with dash

They patched the jump one (the dash one was unknown at that point)

[ancient needle]

Just look for a Tier V one with 120+ active players

[wispy aurora]

right, I was undfer the asuumption that they fully fixed it

[dapper bison]

ok

thanks again!

ill go back ingame

[charred basin]

where can u get Coins outside expesitions and events?

[latent hatch]

Hello! Still lost with foundry, 'im working on 3rd priority: Oath of Judah. I got the 4000 reso, but now how do i craft the weapon?

[rugged breach]

Is 8.4 a special patch or something?

[west vault]

Hello

Is there a video or screenshot tutorial to explain the menus

And what I'm farming or something

I got Helia 3/4 I have left to get her last little person idk what that is

[solar drum]

3rd priority? just head to exchange shop and refresh the shop a few times until you find it

[west vault]

Card?

[latent hatch]

Oh i can refresh that O.o
Anything else i should look for while i'm rerolling?

i have quite a lot of the red currency for mods also

so far i'm full P2, so i drop off redlotus every starless weather

[solar drum]

im guessing you mean the red reso but save it if you don't have anything in mind to get with it

part 1 stuff is heavily outdated so....

[latent hatch]

I feel i'm at a point where i have everything i feel i need exept crystals for more gatcha valks XD

[west vault]

Helloo99

[solar drum]

as in the main screen? not sure what you mean

finally a proper expert

[thick bolt]

there is one but it's like an hour long

[solar drum]

[west vault]

Share it

Please

[thick bolt]

early on all you really need to know is your starter book, the missions tab and the story menu, starter book should introduce you to gamemodes gradually

#👶beginner-help message also exists

[west vault]

What are those 3 people called from the Armament banner

The cards or whatever

[thick bolt]

stigmata, basically equipment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okk-hvyH71k&t=6040s

[west vault]

How many I gotta pull/get

Of each of the 3

[thick bolt]

If you have the char you just pull till you get the weapon

[west vault]

I have the weapon but I only have 1 and 2

[thick bolt]

there should be a box in your inventory where you can pick the last

[outer spruce]

use the box to get the 3rd one

[thick bolt]

Equipment -> Materials

[west vault]

👍

Are you use of using the box for that

[solar drum]

?

[thick bolt]

The box is saved to finish off the set if you missed a stig but got the weapon

[solar drum]

use of using?

[west vault]

Ok ill do it

What I'm going to do is: use that box and get the stigma that I'm missing

Right

[thick bolt]

yup

for future reference, only after you've gotten the weapon

[west vault]

Ok

[thick bolt]

so you don't end up with dupes

[west vault]

I only need 1 of each, and if I get dupes are like getting constellations?

[solar drum]

no

but good for upgrades

[thick bolt]

Only characters have constellations (called ranks here)
(also the weapon syncs)

duplicate stigs are salvaged for prisms

[west vault]

I can rank them up like weapons? R1 R2 R3

[outer spruce]

stigmata don't have ranks like that

[solar drum]

weapon copies rank the main weapon

not really necessary

[west vault]

So if I get the weapon I can rank it up

But the stigmas no

[thick bolt]

weapon ranking needs dupes but it's omega whale stuff
very little actual benefit so it's not recommended

[west vault]

Ok so that's standard

[solar drum]

stigma upgrades give so little

[west vault]

The stigmas are more like relics

Ok bad idea

Comparing

[solar drum]

*copies

[west vault]

I give up

I just get 1 of each like I was going to and check ingame

But if a get the same stigma I can't fuse it

[outer spruce]

no

dupes can be salvaged for prisms

[solar drum]

no you can refine to get the material used for upgrading the main stigma you already got

unless refine isn't the right word then don't mind me

[west vault]

https://tenor.com/view/exterminador-do-futuro-gif-20118743

[thick bolt]

[solar drum]

[west vault]

I'm back

I used the box and it's all right

4/4 Helia

I gotta pull Dragoon now?

So for weapons there's Duplicates so Allright and the same with Valks

But no stigmas, got it

Stigmas are like the relics right?

Like you gotta reroll

2 stats???

[primal heron]

uncanny hands

[olive peak]

I just downloaded the game and got through the tutorial, and i got this character on my first 10 pull. Is this a guaranteed thing?

[primal heron]

no

ur lucky

[olive peak]

wowww

are the odds similar to star rail?

[primal heron]

kekw i forget

[west vault]

I got it too. 5 pulls

[olive peak]

Niceeee!

I havent even used her yet, is she good?

[west vault]

Meta rn

[olive peak]

dang thats awesome

[odd plume]

good start for new player, pull her wp too then you can save for next patch

[tired maple]

how good is HOHe? I know p1 valk’s aren’t very worth investing into, I just think she’s cool- and very cutesy lol

hof as well

[odd plume]

both not good

HoH with her new wp can be used in some case, but rare and need other things to be usable

[tired maple]

Could they- hold their own even with BIS? Or is HoRB better then them both

[odd plume]

not sure what you mean and you can't compare them like that, they have different roles

[tired maple]

I find p1 valk’s more interesting then p2😭 so I don’t really care about meta

Ah

Aren’t they all DPS?

[odd plume]

nope, and even if they are all dps, ice dps =/= phys dps =/= fire dps

[tired maple]

oof

[odd plume]

in this game, each valk has some boss that they are good at, for other boss, they can be useless

can be the best or the worst depend on the content

[sweet flax]

p1 teambuilding requires 3 different characters who only can fufill a single role (with very very few exceptions)
ignoring the fact that p1 units are also significantly weaker than the p2 units we have today, p1 units require heavy investment to even perform properly

[tired maple]

Sigh, power creep do be fr

[sweet flax]

its not really powercreep as much as it is a new system

powercreep are direct replacements to a valk in terms of strength, but p2 didnt replace any valks, it created a new arch-type for valks

[tired maple]

that’s..the definition of power creep-, older characters become downright useless as time goes on- pretty sure absolutely no one is using- can’t even remember the name- a rank seele you get very early on

[sweet flax]

its up to you how you see the definition of powercreep, but the main reason p1 units are worse are because of how abyss weathers work

otherwise p1 units would be bad in non-ring weathers

they arent "useless" per-say, they have their uses, but those uses require heavy investment for something not so common

[harsh forge]

Im a returning player and I still had a fairly new account. I had JDS, FWS(and her sig), and Vita. I was super lucky with my pulls so I have like over ~15 to 20k gems I believe (still trying to find my account lol). Was just wondering if I should reroll for the new unit rn or is my team still decent to use? (Dont mind restarting since I was still new in the story and I'm not really attached to any of the characters I had then)

[sweet flax]

does fws have her weapon as well or is it only jds?
whether you reroll or not depends on your goals, if you are aiming for a competitive account then you could consider rerolling in favor of newer units (especially if fws doesnt have her weapon)
fws jds lp is still a decent team when her specific weather runs, but she already had her shill so that odds of those weathers being as frequent are lower

[harsh forge]

Sorry I meant fws has her sig not jds mb

[sweet flax]

well the idea's still the same more or less

depends on you and your goals

[harsh forge]

might not even get the account back though lol, forgot what email I use

[odd plume]

not bad i would say, try to save for 30k then ask again

[harsh forge]

luckily I didnt spend money on that account

[sweet flax]

^ or roll above 16.8k crystals to see if you can secure the valk

do you remember what the pity was like on that account

[harsh forge]

Uh I think its brand new. I got like fws in 20 pulls, vita in 1 pull (crazy), and got jds from the free pulls back then.

Forgot how many I pulled for the sig though

I think I have screenshots still in here

[sweet flax]

just the idea was enough, we'll see if you can restore that account first before we finalize a decision

[harsh forge]

Well not the screenshot but these are the pulls

[slim blaze]

Wew

[void mural]

[onyx surge]

Is sp regen better for helia?

[void mural]

I just realized I forgot to get my 50 part for elf

Got the 5000 points but forgot to redeem

Sigh

[quick birch]

for affixes ? no you want atk

[onyx surge]

Alr

[wispy aurora]

90 Pulls Guarantee for the character - NO 50/50

[warm narwhal]

Should I buy weapons with my crystallum or save and farm for resonance instead to exchange in shop?

This is under the pretense that I will be spending an insane amount of time grinding stigmata and thus will have stockpiled a lot of the crystallum

[sweet flax]

crystallum's main priority should be the available dkeys in the bp

as for weapon resonance, you can farm it whenever you want, but do try to prioritise getting oath of judah

[warm narwhal]

Ok thnx

[sweet flax]

stigmata resonance is obtained weekly and can be farmed as well (kallen pledge being the cheapest stig to farm and convert)

[warm narwhal]

Is it more time efficient to convert or to farm directly?

[sweet flax]

you cant directly farm resonance, you can only farm weapons/stigs then convert them

#👶beginner-help message

check this for mirage related investment

and these are the dkeys available in bp

[peak zodiac]

Wait so it wouldn’t be wise to get a valk using them or a wep for a valk u have?

[quick birch]

not really, most valk in reserve work have no meta relevance and if they do they need a lot of investment + specific teammates which you probably dont have, on the other side dkeys are a permenant +10 atk boost for your account

though note that some dkeys need their craftable counterpart for that

[warm narwhal]

Alr guys according to my calculations my farming for Dea Anchora and BKE should be finished by mid July next year

Absolutely unreasonable but it’s Durandal so I’ll let it slide

[shadow gyro]

are you unlocking them or ranking them orrrr

they've permanent in wt and there's no need for them rn, take ur time

[warm narwhal]

Building 😭

25 weeks for ether fuel alone

[shadow gyro]

for stress test or for fun?

[warm narwhal]

For fun mainly

And because I really like Durandal

[shadow gyro]

at least you can use them in stress test and that story stage that can only let you use dudu
but try not to spend much on her unless you don't care and really wanna max them

[warm narwhal]

I’ve got nothing but time 🙏

[shadow gyro]

sure thing, have fun!

hi, when using hohe with paws
outside of SO its qte weapon ult swap, right?
in SO is it switch to hohe weapon ult or switch basics ult?

[shell basin]

Is there anything weapon reso is good for other than Judah?

[sweet flax]

cayjunn put some rots on his guide if you havent checked those out, could prove useful
https://www.hoyolab.com/article/39658828

[sweet flax]

anything else in the exchange shop are old weapons for old valks, its account dependant and some can be useful for specific ma strats, but nothing too crazy or a must have

the reason judah is much more valuable is because of it being a dkey

[shell basin]

Makes sense

[shadow gyro]

oh yeah i did see it! but i did notice a good amount of vids of ppl playing paws in beta and realized they squeeze an ult outside of SO and using her basics instead of weapon in SO so i wanted to make sure

[sweet flax]

hmmm, in that case I would check on bili or #video-creations as well for some rots, personally I havent even looked at a single ability of helia's since i dont own her and cant help

[shadow gyro]

no worries, ty!

[shadow gyro]

oh yeah and by her i mean hohe lol

[peak zodiac]

I have senadina and was thinking about getting her wep

From the bp shop

[shadow gyro]

thats not in reserve, anyways do you usually pay for bp? whats ur part 2 lineup?

[ashen rover]

I spent 20k but I still haven't gotten the new Valkyrie yet. Should I reroll?

[dry python]

If you're still new sure if you want to

[peak zodiac]

I meant this one

I just started around 3 days ago so yea it’s my first bp pass

[ocean kelp]

is it worth crafting helia's gear if i pln to pull her weapon later or is it a waste since ill get it anyway

[heady dagger]

youll prob get more stigs before the weapon

[shadow gyro]

i would skip tbh

[dry python]

Pull weapon first, craft missing pieces after

[shadow gyro]

u cant use her with paws nor can paws use her

[ocean kelp]

ok thanks

[shadow gyro]

and sena dps is very rare now

[peak zodiac]

Ahh I just have paws with all her gear and songque will all her gear

Everyone else is missing some

[shadow gyro]

hmm sena support in WoD is fine without the wp

[peak zodiac]

What’s wod?

I just have her forged wep on her for now

[potent hamlet]

Wheel of Destiny

[peak zodiac]

Hmmmm never heard of that mode

[shadow gyro]

its a ring

[potent hamlet]

that’s an astral ring tag

[peak zodiac]

Ohhh

[shadow gyro]

thats what dps que use

[potent hamlet]

Basically every character has a few tags like categories in dokkan

[potent hamlet]

that they’re part of

[peak zodiac]

Wait so do they need to have the same ring to support each other

[potent hamlet]

each character has like 3-5 rings

so yes, unless you’re rite of oblivion

[potent hamlet]

also isn’t this oudated now

Helia has the new one

[peak zodiac]

Got it, thanks

[shadow gyro]

it will be updated

i saw a faq for grail but the msg looks weird, if i can figure it out ill send in here

[dry python]

Tags

Also it already has been updated

[shadow gyro]

#👶beginner-help message does this look weird to others or is it me? the text is weirdly spaces for me

[potent hamlet]

buh

[dry python]

It looks fine

[potent crow]

hi where can i find the pin for the recent elf box?

[shadow gyro]

i have to see whats wrong with my discord then

[quick birch]

[shadow gyro]

lemme check on my phone

[quick birch]

#👶beginner-help message the pin has already been removed but this is the msg

[potent crow]

ty

[potent hamlet]

Looks fine

And im on mobile

[shadow gyro]

oh nvm its only weird in my laptop smh

in my phone its fine

anyways i just wanted to link it for others to see

[potent crow]

dang 1* elves not worthwhile

[shadow gyro]

are u talking about the default one?

[potent crow]

kiana

[shadow gyro]

you get kiana at 2* no?

[potent crow]

idk tbh haven't claimed the box

[shadow gyro]

whatever u pick from the box will be 2 star

ideally u would want 3 star or 4 star which you can slowly get from spending event when u don't want the currency for anything else

[potent crow]

when sss DS drops, kiana won't be better anymore right?

[dry python]

What

[shadow gyro]

eh sss ds isn't that much better

[sweet flax]

sss ds gets nothing improved unless its typeless enemies

[dry python]

Did you even read what sss ds does

[shadow gyro]

her skills are visible btw

[potent crow]

i didn't lol

[sweet flax]

ds is just the generic go to astral op, if there's a specific niche than an astral op or elf that covers that niche will always be better (cases where elfs are worse than ds are cases where you want to maximise your non-so damage or need that initial ari for a specific rot)

[gloomy acorn]

Does anyone have hhe run for paws, I'm missing like 200 sp on so

[dry python]

Who's the other support

[gloomy acorn]

Fws hhe

[potent crow]

was thinking about claiming kiana for Paws but then again 2* is not better than SS DS

[shadow gyro]

rl or nirv?

[gloomy acorn]

Wait I rec in like a bit, nirv

[dry python]

Well you'll need to use WA on one of them to generate sp

If you skip both that's like

[gloomy acorn]

[dry python]

~300 sp lost

Give or take

[gloomy acorn]

Hhe wa on burst mode or outside burst mode

[dry python]

The only time you'd be missing sp on helia would be in SO

So ofc burst mode

[shadow gyro]

oh btw cay i saw ur paws guide but i wanna ask, i see in beta vids ppl do qte basic ult on hohe (during SO) do you know the difference btwn that and doing qte wp ult?

[gloomy acorn]

Husk stands up if I wa on fws

[dry python]

I mean if you don't need the sp it probably works

Didn't try it myself because most of my abyss testing was with fws ps

[shadow gyro]

i see i see
ill also add an ult on hohe (Outside of SO) since i see that too
ill follow the rest of the guide tho

[neon orbit]

Any reason on why armor Helia doesn't have Fast attack tag?
I only noticed when picking Su signet

[dry python]

Hyv decided not to give it to her

[neon orbit]

yeah I find it's really dumb when she can clear hit shields

[mental python]

Could someone remind me what the buff coralie provides does? The one that stacks up to 3 times when using weapon skill / consuming charge

I’m looking at the character skills and I cannot find that part 😭

[haughty elbow]

weapon

[mental python]

Oh that explains iwhy I could not find it there 🤣

[thin ermine]

can i put a part 1 character in a part 2 team, or should i just play the 2 part 2 characters i have?

[quick birch]

if you're missing proper supports you can cope with general p1 supports, p2 team building is a lot more complicated than just they are all p2 so i can play them together

check out the astral ring team build guide on the bottom

which 2 p2 chars are we excactly talking about ?

[thin ermine]

i mean what can i do when i have only paws and corali + everyone else as p1 characters?

[quick birch]

you can use stuff like TA/RC since they some total dmg taken buffs

though this is still copium it will be enough until you get another propper support

[quick birch]

just to clarify you'd still use paws+coralie and then eiter RC or TA

[rugged sorrel]

after using rl emblem

[versed brook]

Hi guys. I started a few weeks ago and I didn't pull any new valkyries and I am a little lost on what character to pull on the gacha banners. I heard I should pull for newer valkyries only. Should I pull the new helia? Thanks!

[quick birch]

if you've just started a few week ago yeah the new helia is a really good pull

[harsh forge]

For the first top-up bonuses characters which one should you get? Chrono Navi, Sugary Starburst, or Cosmic Expression?

[quick birch]

in the end they are all farmable but out of those 3 its sugary starburst

[fallen shale]

how do I get more trophies

[thick bolt]

You gain trophies on finalization based on ranking

[fallen shale]

I'm 2nd rn (sinful iii)

I don't get how to get more score

[ancient needle]

Well, what team are you using?

[fallen shale]

paws > coralie > ps

did just make PS the leader again and got way better results

but I'm still apparently missing 160 points

[shut crow]

I've done the challange and I got promoted to agony difficulty but where do I access it?

q manifold

I guess I wait for next cycle?

[fallen shale]

what do they want from me

[ancient needle]

What's the weather? Apparently it differs from the weather in other ranks

[naive pivot]

how are you in sinful

[fallen shale]

oh simple I didn't play last cycle lol

[naive pivot]

i don't think skipping 1 cycle drops you into sinful usually

[ancient needle]

Yes

[fallen shale]

I didn't do great on the last cycle I did play but I didn't have paws yet lol

[quick birch]

Yeah you get promoted in the next cycle

[fallen shale]

elemental weather

[naive pivot]

are you just like intentionally griefing your rank or have you just been on break for like 2 months

[fallen shale]

I just wasn't on top of abyss as of obtaining superstring

[ancient needle]

Well, PS leader is garbo then
Did you alr play PAWS's tutorial? I suggest you check Cayjunn's guide in the pins too

[thick bolt]

send the weather ss and ideally a recording. Lets see what can be optimised

[ancient needle]

Ele weather is +50% to ele damage

[fallen shale]

I did paws tutorial

[naive pivot]

[thick bolt]

ah

[ancient needle]

Or you can record a run, yes

[fallen shale]

pin in this channel?

[thick bolt]

paws rotation

replace kiana combo atk with coralie jump wa x2 and in SO skip the kiana stuff entirely (will need to farm sp like in regular Helia rot)

https://www.hoyolab.com/article/39658828

guidecay

[fallen shale]

when it says ps weapon that does mean the whole combo right

cause if so this is literally the rotation I've been doing lol

[odd plume]

check this column, i dont think you can get more trophy than you currently got, usually top 3 get the same amount

[thick bolt]

Nope, just WA once (till full bar and switch out)
don't think you'll need the damage more than the time save

[fallen shale]

I'm on +150

[fallen shale]

ok let me try that then

should probably note paws does not have sig

[odd plume]

150 is the max amount you can get this cycle, if you want more, wait for next cycle
getting higher score to make sure that they wont take you current position and trophy

[fallen shale]

so how do I rank up

am I stuck on sinful until next next cycle

[odd plume]

no? you only need 50 trophy for promotion

this cycle you will get 150 if no one kick you out of the +150

[fallen shale]

oh

I thought I needed to have the trophies rn

[mighty smelt]

is it possible to bind my account to my steam account?

[ancient needle]

No

[quick birch]

~~ i Wish ~~

But sadly you cannot, playing the Game through Steam gives you a comepletly different Account

I'd also Just recommend to Play it through the normal Launcher

[harsh forge]

I got PAWS and her weapon on the first 10 pulls but I dont have her stigma set, do I keep rolling on the equip banner?

[serene crystal]

No you just craft the stigma you lack.

[harsh forge]

Oh didnt know you can craft, thank you

[serene crystal]

You also have a box which gives you one copy of a stigma you lack.

[odd pecan]

how i can get stigma and weap reso?

[harsh forge]

do I just choose one of them or is there one thats better to get first? I doubt that it matters that much though

[mighty smelt]

another question, is there anyone here knows how to top up in egypt?
short story is that we have closed forign currncy use, and usually use third partys for hoyo games, tho i don't know any third party for hi3.

[quick birch]

Prism stigmatas rely a Lot on their 3 pcs so it doesnt really matter since you want all 3 anyway you should also get the Materials to craft them through the Level Up rewards

[mighty smelt]

you get stigmata by doing the weekly open world.
you get both of them by dismantling part 1 stigmatas/weapons.

[sweet flax]

have you already tried topping up through the website and not ingame?

[mighty smelt]

yes, it doesn't work in egypt, like any other hoyo game.
problem is bank sided, due to local laws.

[sweet flax]

ahh

[quick birch]

You get weapon reso by crfating Bounty weapon and converting them.
Stigmata resonance through weekly adventure Task rewards and crfating g1 stigmatas or above and then converting them

[lyric anvil]

Now I feel like I was doing the rot wrong

[solar coral]

Hi guys I was lucky and got Helia by 30 pulls. I just started today, I wanted to know if i should spend my gems on her weapons and stigmata supplies or just save?

[ancient needle]

Yes, get her weapon

Stigs are craftable, so stop pulling as soon as you get the weap

Weapons are mandatory here

[solar coral]

even the ones that are recommended for her are craftable right?

[solar coral]

i see, will i still have ample of time?

[ancient needle]

More than enough

[ancient needle]

It should recommend her signature stigs, so yes

(it's not a good mentality to trust in-game recs though)

[solar coral]

thanks, just a follow up question.

If i got her and the weapon then.... what should i do?

[solar coral]

oh i see! I am still working my way around the game and just want to enjoy it HAHA. I feel extremely lucky getting her at 30 pulls...

[ancient needle]

Craft any missing stigs if any (don't forget you have a box as well) -> max her level, skills, weap and stigs

Pulling-wise you should save until the next patch

[ancient needle]

And yes, that's pretty good

[solar coral]

oh, so i dont need to pull her again? did i understand it right?

[solar coral]

box?

[ancient needle]

Yeah, you don't wanna be chasing ranks unless you're a whale

[ancient needle]

You should've got a box that allows you to pick one of the stigs from her set from the login event

For more info I suggest you check the pins here, this is a good starting point: #👶beginner-help message

[fickle surge]

??

[abstract sequoia]

it wants you to autoclear them through the Dorm menu

every mission with all objectives done can be autocleared after

[solar coral]

Hi i just want to ask from the guide, whats A RC and A TA

[storm lantern]

Use the pinned glossary if you do not know what the abbreviations mean. To clarify using an example: 'A RC' refers to A RANK RC and so on, so don't search 'a rc ' in the glossary; you will not get anything, just 'rc '.

[craggy oyster]

Hello I'm planning to return to the game with my lvl 88 account

You can check my account here

Should I start a fresh new account?

[ancient needle]

Yeah, gotta make a new one ideally

Sena and HoRb aren't really valuable atp

For general info you can check the pins, this is a good starting point: #👶beginner-help message

[ancient needle]

Sena is incompatible with newer valks (and you don't have older P2 ones), and HoRb is very niche

[craggy oyster]

Aight Thank youuu

[hollow blaze]

how much crystals do we usually get each patch

[thick bolt]

(not counting your own accounts one time sources)

[solar coral]

wait yall we have a sensei feature here?

can anybody be my sensei?

[hollow blaze]

is agony 3 420 each cycle?

[thick bolt]

yeah

[hollow blaze]

i hold my acc in 80 so yeah

[hollow blaze]

oh okay thankyou bro

[solar coral]

is F2P different than monthly?

[thick bolt]

monthly in the pic means monthly card purchaser

[hollow blaze]

monthly as paying monthly benefit

[thick bolt]

best deal if you're spending any amount

[solar coral]

how much is it?

[hollow blaze]

still $5 right?

[thick bolt]

about 5 bucks, depends on your region

[solar coral]

just 5$?

[hollow blaze]

yeah

[solar coral]

for the month... woah

[thick bolt]

requires logging in consistently though to reap the rewards

[hollow blaze]

but since its 42 days cycle, you buy 2

[thick bolt]

@wanton canopy slots open?

[autumn oxide]

wow dint even ask me </3

[autumn oxide]

20903034 add me

[thick bolt]

you weren't on
I'll ping next time

[slim blaze]

Wiw

[autumn oxide]

blocked

</3

[dry python]

Wow drama

[ashen rover]

I spent 70-80 rolls on the new Valkyrie and still didn't get it. Should I reroll?

[dry python]

If you really want to

Didn't you ask this before lol

[ashen rover]

I asked again because I still can't decide

😢😭😭

[sweet flax]

you either want the valk or not what decision is there to make

[dry python]

Not like anyone else can decide for you

[amber finch]

rate the build

[sweet flax]

build goes so crazy I need bleach

[dry python]

Cooked/10

[shadow gyro]

rotten cheese/10

[amber finch]

https://tenor.com/view/emperors-new-groove-i-win-cat-yawn-win-gif-4422961

[sweet flax]

even rotten cheese is more worth of respect than that abomination

[shadow gyro]

[amber finch]

im so fucking cooked

[amber finch]

true, the m piece is out of place

[sweet flax]

its ok ches, the important thing is that you tried (please get the weapon and the rest of her stigs )

[amber finch]

this is actually depressing

[amber finch]

|| i will dw ||

[solar coral]

just 1 copy of valk, and weap is good right? no need to get dupes?

also, im currently 1-10 floor in abyss. How do i get to upper floors?

[shadow gyro]

just the base s of the gacha valk + wp is enough, if you don't have the full stigmata set use the stigmata box and/or foundry

[shadow gyro]

is this q manifold?

bc as far as i remember u just need to complete the previous floors and when your done you wait for the reset and do it again

[sweet flax]

q-manifold's upper limit is floor 10, im assuming you are asking about a mission that needs you to clear it 15 times? then as mentioned above this message, you need to wait for reset then complete 5 floors then

[glossy lily]

Hi! Im a new player and recently got helia at 30 pulls, is there any valk that paired well with her?

[primal heron]

probly on the next patch,so get her wep,and save

[glossy lily]

What about coralie?, i have her, is she a good alternative?

[thick bolt]

New Helia, A rank Helia, Coralie

an alternative for A Helia is RC

[thick bolt]

Also if you haven't already done it, I'd suggest pulling for Helia weap. Weapons are kinda needed here if you want your valk to actually do damage

[glossy lily]

Ah okay, thank you :). I still aiming for her weap, just dont know what valk that pair well with her

[west sandal]

are the ER guides not going to get updated?

[solar coral]

so after each valk we just save gems to ge the new/upcoming valks?

get*

[dry python]

!faq cayguides

[small willow]

Current Patch Guides

At your service, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see Professor Cay's collection of Current Patch Guides!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[glad ice]

even if u save u wont have enough for the next valk unless u re lucky

[west sandal]

ayee Cay its you! hewwoo- thank you

[sweet flax]

actually a lot of factors can determine that, not just luck

[dry python]

Me?

[sweet flax]

the name on the guides

[dry python]

[west sandal]

you are slightly famous in my eyes if that counts

[glad ice]

unlucky = 85 valk + 60 weap. that's 40k. u dont farm 40k in a patch

[sweet flax]

thanks for confirming that is infact unlucky, I wasnt aware

you are forgetting that there are other factors such as 1 time crystal sources, spending, and/or beginner rewards depending on the player to account for right?

[thick bolt]

Yes. New accounts have the benefit of one time crystals so they can do consecutive pulls of 2-3 debut valks

After helia your next goal is 8.4 valk (unless we get news that changes priorities)

[glad ice]

yeah i agree on other source of xtal
but that's not "save"

[sweet flax]

seeing as helia has a locked skill that has a high possibility of being tied to the 8.4 valk, I kind of doubt the 8.4 priority will change unless 8.5 is some crazy must pull

[sweet flax]

is it in your crystal balance before a banner?

then its part of your savings

instead of getting technical, can we focus on the main flaw in your statement regarding back to back pulling in the beginner channel

I agree that the average player will not be able to pull 2 valks back to back, but for the average player, you have to consider as well what units they have skipped, there are casual players with more than 50k crystals saved atp (someone with 90k crystals saved came into this channel yesterday for pulling advice)

[thick bolt]

~~also nowhere in their sentence did they mention to pull every new valk, just upcoming which can include skip patches so ~~

[sweet flax]

well anyways

[solar coral]

one time crystals?

[sweet flax]

check the crystal sources pins

crystals obtained from places like story or elysian realm valk level/collection crystals can only be obtained once (hence the term one time crystals)

[solar coral]

thanks

[lucid jay]

what are current good recommended characters to clear elysian realm

[thick bolt]

og Helia

[craggy oyster]

this is a scam right?

[thick bolt]

It's just something you get naturally since 90 days overlaps with 2 patches and a new account will realistically pull a debut banner in that time

[glad ice]

50 card is not that hard for beginner
u dont have to top up, if that's what u meant

[thick bolt]

not something you specifically aim for, nor is it a big boost, just something nice to have

[craggy oyster]

okay okay thanksss

[next spade]

I feel like the new Helia deals really low dmg compared to my Kiana badum idk am i on drugs?

is she a support?

[sweet flax]

what supports did you give her

because she's a very good dps

either that or a very bad rot

[quick birch]

p2 chars are both dps and supports and with your team she should do fine dmg

[next spade]

i mean im still doing the content with her rn cuz we have a 50% dmg bonus in a minute but i think badum was hitting 1mill easily and this one struggles a bit more on dealing big pp dmg

[sweet flax]

dmg numbers dont matter

also fws and paws have 2 very different forms of dmg, rots and capabilities

you cannot directly compare the two, they arent similar

[thick bolt]

clear times > dmg numbers
helia has way higher hitcount as well

also the rot jic

[next spade]

I see, what i like about this one is that i can use the simple rotation from the tutorial stage and it feels smooth

i been using the second one but without the Ely ult i didnt know it was a good ult, i was told not to use it on Badum rotation so i thought it was useless

[quick birch]

well different AR type + team different use

GoI evolves around SP and ults

and the second one is only for SO if you use this outside of SO you'll do a paws rotation without buffs

the reason you use HoHe ult in SO is that it generates SP for helia which she really needs

[next spade]

Ohh okey

i been using their default sets, thats good right?

[sweet flax]

what other set would you use

[next spade]

I think Ely had a different set right?

[quick birch]

yeah there are only a few niche cases where you'd use another set than their default on p2 chars but sig is always extremly good/or better

[sweet flax]

(yes their signatures are fine)

[next spade]

and there's more sets in a forge thing

[sweet flax]

her non dkey set, which she doesnt use anymore

[next spade]

[quick birch]

yeah but that's her old set

[next spade]

Oh okey

[quick birch]

she wants her dkey set

[sweet flax]

also that set literally has 0 supportive utility

[next spade]

Im trying to reach Agiii with this new team

[sweet flax]

you will probs be able to reach redlotus depending on weather rng

[quick birch]

that shouldnt be a problem you have 2 fully functional teams unless there are other p2 chars we dont know of

[sweet flax]

actually cosmic were you the one who had like 70kish crystals not that long ago? how much do you have right now

[next spade]

60

ohhh u're the god that helped me beat Ely Realm

https://tenor.com/view/yamada-ryo-bocchi-the-rock-pray-praying-btr-gif-12229033244519657567

[sweet flax]

the what

[next spade]

i was stuck on the 1.25 Diff or something awshjigfsdag

for years and u helped me beat it on 2.25

[sweet flax]

am I an asshole for not remembering

[next spade]

No man it's all fine!!

I remember haha my brain was so smooth u had to call me on discord and i had to stream it for you

[sweet flax]

anyways how're you doing with the game now? much more settled?

[next spade]

still is smooth 😎

I can at least beat Ely realm consistently and Ag II or AGIII but im just a casual

[sweet flax]

that's still really good for casual expectations

[next spade]

sometimes i do the 3 battles like once a month

Yeah i take it really slow, try to gather gems slowly and enjoy the waifus

[sweet flax]

I see I see

[charred basin]

Do we know if we will be using pink balls to exchange for battle pass rewards forever ? Or is it going to change after those 100+ days
I want to save those tokens in case they add a Valkyrie I don't own yet cause they already put two walks in here since last patch

[sweet flax]

Yes the new crystallums are permanent

The whole bp system changed recently

[potent crow]

guys could the disturbance number be different per bracket even when on the same difficulty, red lotus?

[sweet flax]

All ranks of the same region have the same disturbance number

[ancient needle]

But between regions it can differ

[potent crow]

i see

[ancient needle]

SEA RL is usually +10 dist compared to EU

[sweet flax]

Yes

[potent crow]

I was confused as the screenshot on gameplayhelp has lower number than mine

[sweet flax]

Glb suffers from no hands compared to other regions

[potent crow]

no hands?

[ancient needle]

Skill issue

[potent crow]

thats the first time I see someone used that as a slang

[thick bolt]

(not accurate to scale but you get the idea)

[ancient needle]

DN?

[thick bolt]

dunno, forgor

[sweet flax]

Perfect opener for a deez nuts joke

[wintry wharf]

[charred basin]

Has Mihoyo ever said which one of old Valks will get astral ring or did they just add it on a whim for Ely and Kiana ?

[potent crow]

pretty sure never

[sweet flax]

There were no hints that they ever planned to give p1 valks astral rings

[potent crow]

im hopium for horb to get dkey since I risked it to claim her on previous spending event

[sweet flax]

But after kiana's speculation started and then we got hohe's so that speculation train's still going

[primal heron]

hohe again??

[sweet flax]

Wdym hohe again

[primal heron]

mb,i thought there is speculation that hohe will get another dkey

[sweet flax]

Nah i meant since the first stellar key

Like after hofi's people started speculating that other valks would get it and hohe became a top contender
Then hohe got it so people still speculate who's next

[young hawk]

i hope horb, mobius or pe get one

[sweet flax]

Any guess or wishful thinking is just gonna be cope/speculation

But I'd tell you its very likely io or pe won't get one
Since lp and rs exist

[fervent furnace]

Trying to figure out if I should pull for PAWS. Do I really need Sushang for her?

[thick bolt]

hoh (with dkey) and badum also work

[outer spruce]

and smol dudu if you have her

[fervent furnace]

Next patch is not anniversary right?

[thick bolt]

nope

anni is predicted to be 8.5

[fervent furnace]

I’ve been saving for the crystal event & I’m scared if I can’t get enough pulls in time for whoever it is

[fervent furnace]

I don’t unfortunately 😩

[amber finch]

its fine, not like she’s a great support for paws

only used if there’s a shieldbreaking abyss (ngl idk if she’s even used there)

[sweet flax]

Well it depends how your pull plan looks like for this and next patch

[fervent furnace]

I don’t plan on pulling next patch’s new char & I think I have enough to get her & gear, but I’d be back to 0 essentially by this patch

||Mainly, I was thinking that anni patch would be Leylah||

[outer spruce]

might be too early for leylah but i don't work at hoyo

laylah feels like an end of mars arc character

[sweet flax]

could be a stellar key opportunity in anniversary, but this is just speculation so I think its best to end it here

[thick bolt]

past 2 anni times have had stellar key so it's a valid point

[fervent furnace]

Meta-wise, if I already have Vita 4/4 & Sena at 3/4, does PAWS add anything to my account?

[sweet flax]

That's what I was thinking