👶beginner-help

[patent lion]

But then my 7 orbs go to waste

[sweet flax]

they convert to toruses when they expire

[patent lion]

I have way too many of those

[frozen crypt]

no you can turn them into torus to upgrade actually relevant weapons instead of this niche/obsolete stuff

[sweet flax]

you can never have too many of them

[patent lion]

When was Susannah released? Is she relevant in anything? Her weapon is here

[sweet flax]

better to save your pink crystallum so that you can pick up another dkey next patch

susannah has been deadge for a really long time

and she also requires 4/4, sss, horb and ce fully geared (horb on overtime t 2pc aladin iirc), and a weather that doesnt prefer ps or lv (which wont happen unless hoyo forces a quantum bleed weather.... which will probs be brute forcable anyways with ps)

[patent lion]

😭

[sweet flax]

so you need susannah's gear, and dupes of her m and b for her support

to have a worse version of ps

[frozen crypt]

susannah isn't worth investment anymore

[patent lion]

Is HorB going to be given out for free anytime soon? Any news?

[sweet flax]

she was given "for free" as a spending event reward last patch

[patent lion]

Dude I JUST built Azure empyrea 5 days ago 😭in the big 2025

[frozen crypt]

based

mines SSS

[sweet flax]

building azure empyrea in the big '25

[patent lion]

I really needed a cope option for lantern

Vita PS Coralie and helia were already used

[frozen crypt]

huh

[sweet flax]

in ma?

why wouldnt you use ps on lantern

its her boss

[frozen crypt]

yeah thats a kek decision

you've bricked your MA just accept the consequences this week instead of bricking your dkey atk progress as well for a temporary fix

[sweet flax]

[patent lion]

%12.9 ranking..

[sweet flax]

oh well not the worst, at least you are in the bracket for the more notable rewards (no emblem though)

[patent lion]

Teams used
First side PS- reverist calico-... Bright knight excelsis

Second side vita Coralie helia

Third side.... Lantern.. Jade knight... Azure empyrea..

[sweet flax]

what in the unholy cooking 😭

[patent lion]

Bright knight excelsis is still massive

[sweet flax]

she really isnt lmfao

[patent lion]

Vita team is the only good one 😭the other two are solo runs

I've NEVER switched to any other valks

[sweet flax]

could've done hohe jk rc on the last boss
ps and some supports who can help her damage like ta/si/hos on first

[patent lion]

HoHe doesn't have any gear

Only p2 ones do

[sweet flax]

then lantern ae cn/rc on last boss

[patent lion]

Do I get her divine key chat

[sweet flax]

nah

save for next patch

unless you have personal reasons to want hohe

[patent lion]

Oki ty I'll cope with.. Azure empyrea.. And bright knight excelsis

[frozen crypt]

[odd pecan]

Better Tune it or make pri-arm?

[thick bolt]

you need to tune to pri anyways

[odd pecan]

nvm i understood this :)))

[heady bough]

Should i make a new account or log in my old account that has ice elysia?

[abstract sequoia]

need more info than that to know

[heady bough]

About what

[abstract sequoia]

all of this, so we know whether your account is still worth playing

[heady bough]

I just downloaded the app and the files are being downloaded, no chance to have a photo from the account

[abstract sequoia]

would be nice of you to provide anything you know then, until its done installing

[heady bough]

The account does have ice elysia only and it was created way before part 2

Is this helpful?

But alr i will send what's needed once the installing is done

[ancient needle]

If she's the only notable thing on your acc it's definitely better to make a new one

[heady bough]

Yea she is , i will thanks

[white venture]

hey guys

is it worth to pull event supply as a beginner ?

[ancient needle]

Rn it's recommended to get Peregrine Sword + her weapon
Keep 16800 crystals in the tank while pulling the valk so that you don't end up with a weapless valk

[white venture]

i have already ps and her weapon but i see some new event supply there is

[ancient needle]

Oh, right, forgot there is a new banner today

Do you have HoHE?

If you don't, there is no point

[white venture]

no i dont have

[ancient needle]

If you have Level Rush available and decide to buy it you can try your luck and dump ~20-30 pulls on the banner (I probs wouldn't go beyond that)

The pity carries over, so you won't lose anything if you don't get it

[patent lion]

Should I put something like jade knight or...?

I'll use vita

Or do I just ignore the warning

why does it give a warning specifically?

wait vita is lightning dps

or is my brain freezing

[sweet flax]

jade knight can only support p1 ice, vita ps and lantern get nothing out of it, also if you were gonna use vita as a dps USE CORALIE (vita needs roo valks for her passive) last slot can be helia since she has lightning buffs for her

[patent lion]

vita coralie helia right

should be good to bruteforce it

no ice but

[sweet flax]

its sinful no?

[patent lion]

no???

[sweet flax]

anything clears here

agony is at 284D??!??!?!

[patent lion]

oh yea it is on superstring dimension

sorry my brain froze

[ancient needle]

@white venture I realized you were asking about Thelema's banner, not HoHE's weap's, mb
The answer is hard "no" then, you straight up won't be able to use Thelema properly

[white venture]

Okey

[patent lion]

is solon good on elysia even without the dkey? i wanna build her just for fun

[frozen crypt]

It's useless almost all of the effects rely on the dkey being equipped

[patent lion]

[analog forge]

Which one that can use as main dps f2p?

[thick bolt]

#👶beginner-help message

[gusty badge]

should I keep pulling or save? I started couple of hours ago

[quick birch]

if this is a completely new account you can definitely keep pulling, you should be able to afford Sushang and the 8.3 valk + both weapons

[ancient needle]

I'd save up 16800 crystals and only then keep pulling

That way you don't risk ending up with a weapless valk

[quick birch]

wait were already 4 weeks in

didnt even notice, yeah do what teammate said lol

[sweet flax]

[patent lion]

turning back to this,apperantely aladdin increases bleed dmg taken by opponents. wouldnt this be like SUPER DUPER GOOD for a support for my PS?

should i get an aladdin stigmata,if so,which one? T, M, or B

[sweet flax]

yes and no, you need 2 pieces, and preferably m and b

[patent lion]

oh i can only afford a single piece, i just need something to get

[sweet flax]

im p sure we went over this, save your crystallums so that you can get a dkey next patch which is a better investment

[patent lion]

so only a single piece isnt worth? i didnt check the stigmatas before

[quick birch]

not at all yes, even 2pc wouldnt be more worth it than a dkey since its very niche by now

[sweet flax]

^

the damage increase is very negligible, I also skipped out on 2pc aladin since the increase (where it would be aplicable) isnt that big compared to +10 atk from a dkey

[thick bolt]

!faq stigmata what

[small willow]

Stigmata

Hi Captain!

Stigmata are gear pieces that can be equipped on Valkyries. Each Valkyrie has three Stigmata slots: T, M, and B (top, middle, and bottom respectively). Similarly, there are T, M, and B Stigmata.

Stigmata can only be placed in the corresponding slot on a Valkyrie. T Stigmata can only be placed in a Valkyrie's T slot, and so on.

Stigmata can provide a variety of effects and are essential to building Valkyries. They can boost damage dealt by the host and/or the team depending on the effects, and also provide both individual and set bonuses! Some Stigmata sets rely on owning specific pieces of the set to function, such as the Bronya Zaychik set which relies on the B piece to trigger the Inceptive Authority team buff.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[thick bolt]

@hexed niche

[hexed niche]

Oh thank you

[ancient needle]

1. The difference is not big
2. The only use case is Ovt T Ala MB on Vita
3. It's still situational cuz Vita's own DMG goes to 0

[mortal sluice]

I got thelema today from ascension supply and I have a question for thelema do you leave this on or off?

[storm lantern]

off though there arent many situations where it matters ig

[mortal sluice]

Ty

I have a question I have thelema now and my ely is ss3 whos better s2 vita or s0 senawho

[sweet flax]

s2 vita > s0 senadina as a support
at s0 sena should be better than vita in wod (though for this abyss you'd prefer using sena anyways iirc)

and sena cant really support loa

[rotund pasture]

This is a joke- i cannot clear this one. My only ice are HoHe and HoTt

[tall flax]

this is tragic

Ice weather is my worst nightmare

[tall flax]

whats HoTt

[rotund pasture]

Tr, sry

[tall flax]

that weather is specific to Thelema, so if you dont have her, thats unfortunate

[haughty elbow]

just run hohe support

[tall flax]

whos the main dps?

[rotund pasture]

Badum nor sus really worked so far (but without hohe sup)

[tall flax]

this is a tragedy

i am heavily considering using P1 HoHE team

[torpid orbit]

Are synergies on weapons worth it?
I skipped the last two Valks, skipping this one and intend to skip the next one, so I have the crystals… but would that even be worth it? In particular the Flawless Benediction (new Ely’s weapon). The text doesn’t sound like that big of a deal, but it also would give a bit global ATK and HI3rd is kinda a game of inches where a minor improvement can make a difference…

does anyone have experience in that regard? like… would that even be noticeable? I can’t decide yet

like… the jump from 102% total dmg to 106% dmg is at best only roughly 1% more total dmg and that assumes that I don’t have any other Total DMG buffs, which would make the difference even less significant

[storm lantern]

no, not that it's necessarily a good idea either but astralops would be a better choice than even dkey synergies

[torpid orbit]

thx

[storm lantern]

most synergies are independent

so they're not completely bricked

[torpid orbit]

wdym by independent?

[storm lantern]

just lower than astralops and definitely lower than s0+1ing new valks

[storm lantern]

new multiplier rather than being added to an existing one

[tall flax]

is there a JK cope wep?

[torpid orbit]

huh?
so… let’s say at Synergy Ⅱ that would mean:
1.02 × 1.06 Total DMG rather than 1.06 Total DMG?

[storm lantern]

synergy 2 would be 4% but yeah its total damage (and everything else) * synergy skill mutliplier

[torpid orbit]

oh! yeah, meant 1.04 for Syn Ⅱ, my bad
but by independent you mean that it would take all the previous synergies into account as well?

so 1.02 for Syn Ⅰ
1.02 × 1.04 for Syn Ⅱ and
1.02 × 1.04 × 1.06 for Syn Ⅲ?

[storm lantern]

no i mean that it's a true 2/4/6% extra damage rather than being diluted by total damage taken from other sources

[torpid orbit]

ah so! now I understand what you mean by independent, thx!
still the jump from 1.02 multiplier to 1.04 (or even 1.06) still doesn’t seem like that much

[storm lantern]

yeah i would recommend not pulling synergies

sometimes it's the best vertical investment for a valk but vertical investment usually should stop at astralops if you just want to get to myriad and less if you want to retain rl

[torpid orbit]

looking at what synergy actually does makes me think that the biggest value would be the global ATK buff from the DKey
yeah, thx, for the convo, I think I’ll keep my crystals and just keep saving until some Valk comes out whom I want

[restive shell]

im not used to the astral thing yet but ive got myself a nice ish team ( PS/sushang, VBm/coralie, Rc/pardofelis ) shoulf i pull for serapeum astral ring ? ❤️

[torpid orbit]

for Law of Ascension Teri Astral OP is more useful, Sera is better for Wheel of Destiny

having said that, AstralOPs are 2nd on the priority list, with Valkyries (with their respective gears) being the #1 priority

so unless you really want Sera, then it might be better to get more P2 Battlesuits first

[thick bolt]

hell no

[restive shell]

theres no others i can get atm i got sushang and i her weapon and her stigmas so im like ahhh what do i do now haha

[naive pivot]

the 2nd priority is saving for the next valk

[restive shell]

who should i start building for her? <33

[thick bolt]

Astralops are for people who have everything setup already and know what they're doing

[restive shell]

ohhhh i thought they were just human elfs

[naive pivot]

for who

[thick bolt]

Save for 8.3 valk

[restive shell]

the next person what valks go well with her so i can pre build them if i have them ya know

[thick bolt]

after that save for another new release valk based on your crystals, that's about it

[restive shell]

i only have 3 built and thats the team i have haha

[naive pivot]

[torpid orbit]

not a pulling advice:
While this is not really a good idea, if for whatever reason you wanna pull around potentially pulling Serapeum, then what would justify it is pulling Wheel of Destiny Valks
but all of them are quite old at this point and no new one in sight so doing that wouldn’t be necessarily smart either, especially not if you’d only pull them to justify for yourself pulling Serapeum

also just in case — pls don’t pull on Adventure Banners unless you know what you’re doing

they are bait (pity doesn’t carry over)

[thick bolt]

valks > aop
pulling valks so you can use a particular aop is

[quick birch]

|| PS can support the next valk so with your current valks you could run paws(the 8.3 valk)/ps/coralie.||

|| the 8.3 valk can also support LoA so you can replace that pardofelis with her in your PS team||

for more info check out #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

also there arent really any valks you could "pre build" because every new valk has the astral ring system and we currently only have 2 free valks with that system

[restive shell]

2 free I only have my character that’s the girl with the brown hair

[naive pivot]

what girl

[sweet flax]

id like to add, serapeum quite frankly at this stage would want SS at minimum to be competitive assuming you even have the aforementioned valks (such as thel or jds who rarely get their weathers reran at this stage, and with ascension supply thel ranks are gonna be more common in these competitive areas that would require an ao)

[dry star]

hello dumb question, do newer characters not work in Elysian realm?

[spiral badge]

They do

[sick pebble]

btw guys I can’t beat the current Superstring Dimension even in Agony I 😭🙏
The current environment is like cyro buff and pyro debuff, and the dps I have are all fire/electro

should I get Bronya Silverwing from a self-selected S rank valk box 😭🙏

[spiral badge]

Anything more specific you can tell us

[spiral badge]

I don't recommend it. Can you elaborate what you have right now?

[dry star]

oh do I need to beat the story mode first for Elysian realm? Im still in ch1 of Elysian and when I try to do Deep mode, it only gives me the option to use horb or hot

[spiral badge]

horb sounds strange but HoT is part of the initial tutorial/periodic story sections

[dry star]

this is me in the team set up screen for Deep Sequence

[spiral badge]

so the thing about ER is that you need to unlock a valk with a key you're given once per week

[dry star]

ohhhh okay thats it

[glad ice]

ER also has a story mode

[dry star]

so you can pick 1 valk per week and you need to stick with it until next week

[spiral badge]

you don't need to stick with them

but valks aren't available until you unlock them

once unlocked you can use them whenever

[dry star]

ah ok

[spiral badge]

not every valk is in ER but all the recent ones are

[dry star]

omg so basically for the last 12 weeks of elysian realms Ive did, i could have unlocked 12 of them by now

[spiral badge]

it sounds like you're talking with genshin terminology but i highly recommend moving away from that mindset for this game if you can. It will more often lead to wrongful conclusions than it helps for this game since hi3 is much older and different.

[spiral badge]

you'll catch up eventually. they don't release new ER additions that often.

it's basically just new valks per patch nowadays, and patches are longer now

[glad ice]

u need to have a valk that belong to ER rooster and a weekly key

[dry star]

thanks much
ive just been slowly losing my mind only playing horb for months

[glad ice]

and clear ER story for signets

[spiral badge]

oh they don't need to progress story for signets anymore

there was a change that gives them everything at the start now

[dry star]

are signets those rainbow donut things for upgrades?

[spiral badge]

it's basically the temporary buffs you pick up as you progress through a run

that's given by each of the flamechaser characters in that mode

[dry star]

oh got it, yeah all the signet choices are pre-unlocked

[glad ice]

well then if its not signet imma say crystal instead

[spiral badge]

!faq er guide

[small willow]

Elysian Realm

I'm here to help, Captain!

Click here for signet guides!
-# Also see Shallow Sequence Tutorials here.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[dry star]

oh ty

[spiral badge]

we do have this guide (also in pins) of what to pick for each character too

[dry star]

bless

[spiral badge]

and in general check out pins for all sorts of other info

np. anything else?

[dry star]

no im good thanks youre very helpful

[sick pebble]

sorry man I got used to the elements 😭

anyways here’s my valk

I know I do not have any good valk and I am saving some gems, but I think (correct me if I’m wrong) if I don’t try using the bad valk I don’t even have a chance to save up gems for more valk

[spiral badge]

it's not that paradoxical. It's better to make whatever reasonable (don't spend hours improving if you expect to demote) progress you can to get whatever crystals you can.

No gacha valk's performance will ever pull for herself in cost. You're spending as much as 40k for one when improving from agony 1 to red lotus won't cover that alone (and it'll take more than one valk to retain RL anyway)

it's very normal to need to take a loss in abyss now and then if your account currently can't reasonable handle it

but since it's agony 1 we can discuss further and maybe we can figure something out for now. Frankly however I do not like my options here

which one of these are fully geared with signatures?

[sick pebble]

Thx🙏
um if signatures then just the part2 valks 😭

[spiral badge]

are you struggling to progress in the stages? Or on the boss?

ok at least there's that.

[sick pebble]

the second stage, the stage before the boss

[sweet flax]

sparkle and vita have their sigs? perfect

[sick pebble]

sparkle doesn’t have her signature weapon tho 😭

[glad ice]

-1 qua boom (collapse)

[spiral badge]

that's irrelevant right now and they're already feeling bad about it

[sweet flax]

quantum isnt going to be as shilled its not a big deal

[sick pebble]

ikr, but qua barely has a use case anyways

[sweet flax]

and in terms of fire dps, she is easily replacable

[spiral badge]

there are weathers that do value double collapse but yes they're niche.

[glad ice]

yep

[spiral badge]

and i rather you keep your crystals for future releases rather than trying to catch up on sparkle for such niche and not very rewarding cases

anyway maybe check out what i said to someone else in #💁gameplay-help recently

[sick pebble]

true

[spiral badge]

but the main thing i'm going to suggest for the second mob stage is to be wary of the fire shield gimmick there where you'll need freeze (rime) trauma

[sick pebble]

umm the tutorial thing?
If you mean the gems it give I had already done it

[spiral badge]

i'm not talking about the tutorial although i would point you to it to review if you don't understand a concept

[sick pebble]

paw paw? (Calico)

[spiral badge]

reverist calico

saying paw might be confusing because ||an upcoming valk may be known as that soon||

[sick pebble]

too bad I don’t have HoFi, or everything would be a lot more easier 😭😭

[sick pebble]

||true helia paws||

[spiral badge]

please spoiler tag

[glad ice]

fire shield need to be broken with freeze/rime trauma

[spiral badge]

any upcoming future content not revealed to glb/sea should not be mentioned openly here

[sick pebble]

ah my bad didn’t notice that

[spiral badge]

anyway team building is going to be a bit unconventional here because the stage gimmick is kinda strong

i'm actually not sure if it's worth it overall since part 2 teams are also quite strong and vastly powercreeping over older stuff too

but for your case when you're stuck with coralie or a weaponless sparkle it's prob worth it

[sick pebble]

I think the only freeze character I have is calico
My HoTR is not gonna help tho

[sick pebble]

Yes I have tried bruteforcing it with part2 valk but the fire shield blocks too many damage

I couldn’t make it on time (or my part2 valk build just sucks, but that’s another topic)

[spiral badge]

yeah so the teams you can consider are maybe

• vita main dps with coralie (RoO valk) and RC, but beware she takes a huge damage loss without a third RoO valk. Type advantage might help her and you have her weapon at least.
• since your sparkle is signature weaponless (very important for her personal damage usually) and fire is reduced by the stage, we should probably stay away from that team
• maybe HoTr dps (set her as leader for her personal independent multipliers on her lead skill) with some combination of RC/Kira/JK supports
  • i don't think silverwing is going to help when you already have that, assuming both are ungeared

as for gearing your hotr team, we can discuss that more too

but i'll need to know what you have

and again check what i said to the other guy here #💁gameplay-help message

[sick pebble]

Thanks for the advice

I believe what you mean is that I can try building my RC (like crafting stigs and weapons for her) and see how it goes. It wouldn’t hurt to build one more valk anyways

Tbh my hoft is dealing 4digit number damage so yeah-

[spiral badge]

the only things i'm looking for from RC are

• levels to increase the cap on her skills
• plan b skill in special section for her debuff multiplier
• qte so she can restore her meter
• maybe there's skills in her ult section that are relevant. idr
• if she's s rank then also unlock the skill in her passives section that buffs the team's damage against frozen enemies. But it takes too much time to breakdance to freeze enemies that i would only do it to remove any shields they may have.

[sick pebble]

an off topic question here,
which one is better for astral ring teams (part2 valks)

I was using the mc one until I heard someone say that the lv41 one works better for World Star valks

[spiral badge]

the cat she leaves behind when she swaps off field will eventually freeze an enemy anyway

[spiral badge]

there's no general guidelines but my pin does go into heavy detail about this

i kinda feel i would favor dreamseeker more in this case. Your elf isn't maxed and she needs levels for her skills. Dreamseeker meanwhile is pretty much ready out of the box at that rank

dreamseeker also offers higher damage outside of stellar outburst

[sick pebble]

the italic for outside 😭😭

[spiral badge]

and since we're using two part 2 valks instead of 3, your astral ring energy won't restore as much (less stellar drains)

so you'll be spending more time outside of it than using it

[glad ice]

bcs for f2p the outside time gonna be a long time

[spiral badge]

DS also offers slightly higher initial ARI to outburst earlier than ELFs but i don't think this is a big deal for this case

[sick pebble]

oh yea speaking of energy restore, even if I have vita, around 60% of my damage is dealt without stellar burst. I feel like it takes forever to charge up the AR and activating it doesn’t give a lot more damage bonus

[spiral badge]

for a boss fight where you plan out every action and are gunning for every point it will be a bigger deal though but that's something to worry about in the far future

[sick pebble]

that’s true. I can’t even finish the stage before. I really wonder how people manage to get pass Red Lotus

[spiral badge]

naturally stellar outburst is your main source of damage

but vita still does fine damage outside of it normally. With a proper team.

However you lack hofi (not saying you should catch up to her) so your vita's personal damage is alot more reduced

also how are you playing the team? Are you keeping track of your buffs? vita's playstyle kinda leaves her on field for a long time that it can be easy to lose track and forget to reapply them

[sick pebble]

Oh I meant the sparkle dps team with vita and coralie

[spiral badge]

oh well main thing is sparkle doesn't have her weapon but sparkle's personal dps in general isn't impressive either

still some similar logics apply to this too

are you making sure to apply all support effects before she attacks?

coralie isn't very simple either. She has buffs and debuffs you would want to keep track of

vita's main support effect is her ultimate which you can visualize above your hp bar

and that's refreshed either from ultimate or from outburst

[sick pebble]

Yes I am sure. I think I will have below-average damage until my next valk 😭

I might just gradually walk through this in pain

[spiral badge]

i mean you don't have a full team yet so yeah your damage is going to be lacking for now

focus on doing what you can

learn to accept more losses for now and to save up until you can properly afford a new release in full (valk and weapon)

[sick pebble]

If RC still doesn’t work for stage2 ima give up this time

I’ll maybe do the storyline and stuff since I finished the events already

[glad ice]

btw imma remind u that this abyss is -50% fire

[sick pebble]

Yea ikr
literally targeting me 😭

[spiral badge]

it's just an important reminder

oh i misread

but yeah i assumed you were speaking in general when you brought up sparkle just now

earlier on i already made it clear you should stay away from sparkle dps for this cycle's top three stages

[sick pebble]

I actually tried vita dps team on stage2, still didn’t work

[spiral badge]

you're free to show us what you're doing with a recording

[sick pebble]

sure, do I dm you or what

[spiral badge]

no you can just post it here

[glad ice]

u need to break the shield with freeze (fill the circle on their head with rime trauma) or they are resistant to dmg

[spiral badge]

but overall i don't expect strong results. I did explain earlier how your teams overall are quite lacking

[sick pebble]

I forgot to mention my coralie is using default weapon that’s prob why

I still haven’t catch up with part2 story yet I’m afraid doing it first for the weapon would affect the experience

[spiral badge]

what stigs does coralie have?

[sick pebble]

I think it’s her signature stigs lemme check-

It was given at the release of part2

[spiral badge]

no need to max out their upgrades if you do

oh if you got them for free then they'll be maxed

so do you understand how to play coralie?

are you familiar with the damage formula in genshin actually? while i did advise not comparing the two, Hi3 works pretty similarly loosely speaking

where same modifiers add together while different ones will multiply off each other

[glad ice]

just the ele dont crit here

[spiral badge]

i can go more into detail about this but the bigger idea i want to get at is that you want a wide variety of modifiers, but also if you don't play your valks correctly you'll likely lose a huge chunk of them too

[sweet flax]

and a lot of damage is dependant on level of your valk as well (in terms of dmg reduction modifiers) they are very loosely similar

[sick pebble]

wait I’m using the tsiolkosky set

I remember someone saying it was not the best set

[spiral badge]

tsiol is the signature set for coralie

[sick pebble]

that got me actually, I’m pretty new to hi3 so mostly no 😭🙏

[spiral badge]

well i don't want to overwhelm you with that for now. just keep whatever i said earlier loosely in mind

overall you want a variety of buffs if you can choose, and you want to stack them as much as you can for your dps period

so let's talk about coralie for a bit

do you understand how she buffs or debuffs?

there's three major things i'm looking for

[sick pebble]

I find it hard to understand the crit system in hi3 lol
unlike genshin and hsr, the valks don’t have cr stats, they only have crit damage

I always assume the crit rate is around 10% similar to default cr in other hoyoverse games

[sick pebble]

do you mean the status her ult/weapon skill gives

[spiral badge]

there's not much to think about tbh. While in other hoyo games you can highly attune your stats and finely control your crit ratios you don't get that luxury in hi3 here

[sick pebble]

like the one with maximum of 3 stacks

+15% damage I think

[spiral badge]

in hi3 you get chunks of crit dmg or rate, and you just work with it. Nowadays most crits are guaranteed but if they're not you would more opt to reset to bruteforce for them

[glad ice]

crit rate formula is complicated but at lvl80 its around 20% of ur CRT stat

[spiral badge]

crt is separate from actual crit rate and crit damage stuff but it's mostly passive and otherwise convoluted that i rather not go too deep into it unless you want to

like any active crt you can get are going to be mostly marginal that it's not really worth going out of your way for it

[sweet flax]

crt is used to calculate crit rate though, as for crit damage... that's from an external crit multiplier that you would get off support valks and stigmata effects

wait isnt there an faq for all this anyways

[spiral badge]

so here's the main buff for coralie that you were probably referring to. You can see it above your hp bar. https://i.imgur.com/ooyRLAg.png

you can either achieve this with ult at the very start (ult usually isn't worth using otherwise) or manually spend three dots on your meter building it up with weapon actives

once it's up, you want to try to maintain it at 3 (only need one weapon use to refresh)

so don't stay on vita when it's about to run out

https://i.imgur.com/odkODR9.png and here's her debuff

[sick pebble]

Oh yea that’s what I do
though I only use her ult for when the boss is weak asf

[spiral badge]

basically either ult (which shouldn't be used) or doing the weapon finisher (the thumping after grounding yourself from the air)

[sick pebble]

wait oh, so I have to unleash all the hammer stacks to get the 15% increased damage 😭

I think I know why I’m lacking some damage

[spiral badge]

it's not really unleashing

[sick pebble]

I used to stop when her let it burn reaches 3 stacks and immediately switch

[spiral badge]

just make sure to build it up to three in some way and then refresh it before it expires

yeah you swap at 3

[sick pebble]

well I mean the serious hammer hit or whatever that is

[glad ice]

u only get buff stacks after u spend hammer stacks (by using weap) except ult

[spiral badge]

serious hammering is the debuff. You don't see it above your hp bar

you just have to kinda know it's there on the enemy or observe the damage dealt to them

just be sure to refresh it whenever it runs out or when a new wave of enemy spawns perhaps

[sick pebble]

I mean i usually do not wait for the serious hit to land

[spiral badge]

debuffs don't usually carry forward on new enemies

yeah you want that last hit to land

[sick pebble]

I thought the 15% came from Let It Burn

[spiral badge]

i'm trying to find a video but discord search is being really stupid

they are two separate things overall

[sick pebble]

wait can’t you like post urls here

[spiral badge]

and then there's tsiol effects

i don't have the url handy lol

[sick pebble]

I have sss rank so ult should also work (i think)

[spiral badge]

anyway tsiol mainly you want to note the 3pc effect

[sick pebble]

I never read those stigs 😭 back in the time I got them, I never used part2 valks

[spiral badge]

there's a buff for 15s from simply using weapon active. it extends to 30s if you trigger it again (there's a hidden cd to this where you won't get the extension if you mash weapon asap twice though)

[glad ice]

ult give u 3 stacks straight even if u dont have hammer stack or 5 stacks if u already have 2

[spiral badge]

most p2 stig effects are very wordy and what you mainly need to know is the 3pc

since that's where the teamwide effect trigger condition is

but anyway aside from tsiol 3pc, 2pc has a further effect from ult or outburst. Ult isn't really worth so it's mainly gained through outburst

and then m and b has further passives iirc

[sick pebble]

sorry to interrupt but do you guys need a break
It’s been 40mins since I started my stupid question and yall are actually responding seriously 😭

[spiral badge]

don't worry about that

i can decide on my own and i'm quite known for giving very indepth help for extended periods

i do need to go soon actually but i plan to at least show you a video of coralie

and also introduce vita basic 2 canceling

[sick pebble]

I really appreciate your help

anyways, what is canceling? 😭
bro I swear I struggle a lot when it comes to part2 things, including the storyline

[glad ice]

animation canceling

he maybe busy recording a clip rn

[spiral badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogurzBPHkhI ignore sushang and prom in this video. But this is basically what i expect from coralie whenever she swaps in (you won't need to swap her that often though. just every 25s and maybe every new enemy wave)

[sick pebble]

yoo your timing is hecka crazy

I sometimes wonder why pro people occasionally use random part1 valks for bosses. It seems like they know a lot about the environment and complicated stuff

[glad ice]

that player

[spiral badge]

normally you wouldn't but there can be weird nuances

just like the fire shields we brought up earlier

[sick pebble]

So basically I have to time caralie’s serious hammering and land a hit when it’s running out

[sick pebble]

ah sorry I couldn’t see the channel name 😭😭

[spiral badge]

my video didn't do that but for vita yeah

basically you don't want to spend more time on coralie than you have to, but you do want to use her enough to keep her 3 stacks up and reapply her debuff to enemies

[sick pebble]

that’s true👍🏻 why did you bring Bronya tho? Is it for the fire shield or sth

[spiral badge]

what? This is a very different situation

||there's a lore nitpick i can make|| but since this person doesn't want spoilers let's not talk about it

TA is on the team because she buffs phys damage and does decent personal damage on her own for early game

but again ignore TA and PS in the video

i only shared that to show what coralie should be doing

https://youtu.be/53ABSWks_4k?feature=shared&t=57 anyway here is a demonstration of vita's basic 2 cancels

basically in her mecha mode, her second basic in her mash sequence will cause portal ceiling lasers to drop down

[sick pebble]

cool thx.
I better start building RC or I’ll be running out of time lol

[glad ice]

vita dancing in the air

[spiral badge]

but the thing about this attack is that once it starts, it fully plays out even if you stop the animation with any other action that can interrupt it

[sick pebble]

Oh so that’s what you mean cancelling.

Is it like to quickly switch valk I have to get her to do the second normal attack

[spiral badge]

the main actions you want to cancel are

• outburst or ultimate ideally. edit: on Swap out
  • also planning ahead of when you initially start your mecha mode, so that your mecha mode runs out and you can reenter mech mode at that point
• jumping is good too but you only get to use two of those before you need to drop to the ground/reset your jumps with outburst/swap out
• evade works
• maybe weapon active or hold attack works slightly too but idk.

[glad ice]

"in the air" = jump

[spiral badge]

anyway it's not only swapping valks at that point, although that is one way to do it too

but anyway with this, you basically get the full benefit of the basic 2 damage at a fraction of the time it normally takes

and it's generally better for vita's overall dps

you still would want to do other stuff like her weapon active and fully mashing out the enhanced sequence from that (where it ends with the camera panning up at the mecha)

but anyway i feel this might be too much details now

[sick pebble]

well I understand how to use evade to reset basic attacks, but how about ultimate..?
how do you cancel the animation after ult?😭 (I have encountered a lot of time where vita’s postult animation delayed switching and caused the AR to end before next rotation )

oh ignore the image idk why it popped up

[spiral badge]

you can't

the only cancel i'm talking about is for the second basic input of the mashing sequence

ult is one way to cancel that basic 2 move

but i'm not talking about anything to cancel the ult itself

[glad ice]

vita ult animation stop timer while its playing

[sick pebble]

ah alright thanks for yall’s detailed info lol

[spiral badge]

i think they're more concerned about the end of it where she flips downwards

even if an animation has timestop you do lose a bit of time going in and out of it

[sick pebble]

but the post animation can sometimes be annoying 😭

[spiral badge]

and you can't really cancel that last part of the annimation

just mash to your next action is all i can say

anyway i need to go now too so hopefully this helps. We covered alot so be sure to review the discussion and maybe take notes idk

feel free to continue asking more and other people can help, or ask another time and maybe i can help again by then

[sick pebble]

got it thanks 🥹

[spiral badge]

and check pins for general info as per usual

[glad ice]

what's bad about vita is her mecha combo atk though

[spiral badge]

it's a bit nuanced too. Calling it bad is a bit strange when it still gets used

it's good damage but the animation of it is a bit slow, especially after the hit.

so ideally you want to end phases or fights with that move if you have full meter at that point

but otherwise you may still opt to use it if you need the damage. And you wouldn't want to delay it if you need to build up to a second one later too.

the above is for vita as a main dps but...

if vita is an LoA support then the full meter hold attack never gets used

[shell basin]

should I grab RC's chakram from the box, or is it worth saving in case you ever get HoH or get JK from treasury?

[glossy hemlock]

if i alr have kiaelf and pb i prob should get ely from box?

[sweet flax]

unless kiaelf is 4* and pb is 3* probably not (no use case for ely elf iirc)

[glossy hemlock]

i do have 4* kiaelf and 3* pb, so ely? or something else like klein

[sick pebble]

how do you get that weapon box😭 I don’t remember getting one

[glad ice]

newbie manual's quest reward

[cyan dune]

flawless benediction shouldnt be tuned right? it would be better to priarm?

[glad ice]

should be both tuned and priarmed

dont worry about the tuning. the game trolls u by asking for confirmation because u cant salvage a tuned weapon (u can't tune a second copy of it either)

u need to tune it before u're able to synchronize it with other div-keys for a passive atk increase which apply to all ur valks

[cyan dune]

oh ok lol it said it cant be pri armed after

or is it i need to pri arm before tuning

[glad ice]

just incase any funny new change u can priarm to lvl50 1st before tuning

[cyan dune]

ok so if i go past 50 on the priarm it will be untunable?

sorry for the over questioning i just dont want to mess it up

[glad ice]

i meant lvl50 is the lowest lvl for a priarm. u can freely upgrade it to 65 max if u have the material.

[spiral badge]

what use case do you have for ely right now then?

if you cannot answer that then metawise, leave the box alone for now

i made a pin for further consideration as well

[glad ice]

it's weird though. i could still priarm my brick after tuning it in the past. did they change the mechanic

[haughty elbow]

no

[glad ice]

i think the tuning only mention that u cant change it back, iirc

[spiral badge]

if you want an example of what sort of stern reasoning i would need to justify ely elf then...

• can't score high enough this abyss weather and you're slightly off
• you feel capped on your SS DS score
• you don't own sera op
• you can reach 3* ely elf
• the fight for your account at your dist level only needs a single stellar outburst, and you don't finish the fight with it (you make full use of the outburst and can delay it, or alternatively you can evade farm more with thele to compensate)

ELFs are that niche really
(kiana could fulfill all these conditions on the recent fire kosma abyss)

[outer spruce]

pretty sure the message just says that the dkey can't be used as pri arm fodder if you tune it

for other weapons of the same type

if a dkey has a pri arm, you have to tune it first

[glad ice]

didn't they change it so priarm now can only use the exact copy of their own fodder instead of the same type

[spiral badge]

are you thinking of part 2 weapons

it's still the same as it was before for part 1 otherwise

the main major change i can recall was letting earlier players craft them capped at lv 50 before breakthrough but that was forever again

but for part 2 weapons you cannot use helia's base weapon to be a fodder of lantern's pri arm for example

you should be able to check the list of fodders in game too

[glad ice]

oh so that only apply to part 2 weapons?

i didnt pay much attention because i wouldn't want a 2nd priarm dupe either

[spiral badge]

would be pretty crazy if we can take the former event free helia weapon to get a lantern weapon sync lol

[glad ice]

ah so it relates to the synergy part

[outer spruce]

old priarms still have a big list that includes dkeys

[spiral badge]

it's a possible reason. Who knows what the devs were really thinking though

[glad ice]

dkey which not tuned yet, can be used as fodder

[spiral badge]

yeah once you tune it, it can never be disposed

well i guess technically you can dispose a tuned base by upgrading it to its tuned pri arm form

[glad ice]

yeah just only its own priarm form

hmm so the confirmation in game was that u can't turn it into OTHER WEAPONS' priarm

[glad ice]

that answers this

[sick pebble]

wait btw what if I get starchasm

starchasm seele

[safe sluice]

Hello! I'm a semi beginner that only played 3 versions and made it to lvl80, are there any benefits to breaking through?

[sick pebble]

sudden intrusive thoughts lol

[spiral badge]

!faq breakthrough

[small willow]

Breakthrough

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for more information regarding Breaking through to Exalted (Captain Level 81+).

Short Answer:

• It is highly recommended to break through for better rewards, but be aware that it is irreversible!

Also see !faq superstring regarding Exalted Abyss

[sick pebble]

I would say I’m someone who is traumatise post-breakthrough

[spiral badge]

hotr was more new

nyx is sp dependent and wants combo count. You don't really have the means to supply that esp without her own gear do you?

[sick pebble]

I mean maybe you have good valks
but if you aren’t ready like me, I don’t think it’s a good idea

[spiral badge]

even if your valks weren't ready you will simply wind up in a similar tier to how you were already doing before

[safe sluice]

All I got is Vita, sparkle, and the 2 farmable ones from part 2

[spiral badge]

but if you can somehow predict that you would drop from masters red lotus to agony 2 then maybe you can hold off

[sick pebble]

that’s true, I’m prob too unlucky to get in that situation

[sick pebble]

oml same situation 😭

hey sairaan I’m not the only one now

[spiral badge]

how are you doing in abyss currently?

because hunter is in agony 1 right now right?

[glad ice]

imo starchasm nyx is the weakest among seeles

[sick pebble]

uh yea

[sick pebble]

no way

[spiral badge]

you're kinda comparing apples to oranges

[glad ice]

source: trust me bro

[spiral badge]

yeah please stop

regardless, every seele except horb is outdated at this point and isn't recommended. Who cares how they compare to each other when none of them are good enough

they're all (all seeles except horb) farmable too so if you really like seele and have spare resources then it's up to you

if you're seeking a mix of meta and casual then maybe we can discuss more but you'll need to be specific

but otherwise giving a personal assessment like that without context is just going to give people the wrong impression of what's truly important

[sick pebble]

alr

I just leveled my RC to Lv 76

I realized she didnt equip any stigma

[safe sluice]

What part 2 character are recommended to get?

[sick pebble]

😭🙏

[glad ice]

u should show us ur team

[spiral badge]

!faq pull

[small willow]

Pulling Priority

Yo, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the pulling priority for this patch!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

this also can be found in the pins along with other general and commonly asked info

[safe sluice]

Oh good to know

[spiral badge]

the overall idea is to focus on getting the latest valks with their signature weapons when you can (sometimes you may need to skip a full release)

and eventually you'll be able to put together alot of more recent teams

while the older meta will fall off

this purely meta speaking though, which we emphasize since that's how you get more crystals in this game

but if you have any more specific goals that may not be meta/competitive, feel free to specify them to us

[spiral badge]

keep in mind gluttony will drop candy from the enemy. Stay closer to the enemy as vita to pick up the candy drops if you can

but yeah equip her and try again

if you don't want to think about it you can give her roald 3pc instead which gives a constant but weak elemental buff

[frank light]

is it worth pulling for Flawless Benefiction bow for the +10 global atk?

or keep saving for next patch

[oak estuary]

Save for next patch

[acoustic briar]

now what i do with the old weapon

[naive pivot]

nothing

[spiral badge]

technically the older weapon and gear are still best for the older team format. Maybe there can be some situational use for it

but if you really want to trash it to something else

• if it's not pri armed yet then
  • you can convert it into blue resonance to buy other old outdated weapons from exchange shop
  • there's a salvage option too but that only yields honkai shards which you can obtain plentifully from other sources
  • you can also use it as a pri arm fodder for a different pri arm weapon but this only works for older part 1 bows that you already have the recipe of and not newer part 2 weapons. probably redundant and outdated today too.
• if it's already pri armed then you can use it as exp fodder
  obviously all of these options are quite bad in value and not as unique

[spiral badge]

@sick pebble i wouldn't say this is optimal by any means but maybe this can give you a better idea how to use the team

[sick pebble]

yooooo tysm bro

[spiral badge]

not really a full video. i did end up finishing the stage with this team but my ending was much more sloppy that i don't think it'll serve much to learn from.

but you at least observe how i used pardo to freeze and how i used vita's basic two cancels

[sick pebble]

i forgot what stigma my RC is using, but its random stigmas i crafted with 70 shards

[spiral badge]

and how i delayed outburst so i can make better use of it later

uh i already specified what stigs to use before when i linked you to the other guy i helped

so if it's not that then it's prob not good, but you can let us know what it is

i should note in this video, you should not be studying my damage. I'm in the highest tier of the game and i have higher ranks and better gear to work with. Focus more on what actions i'm doing

i do not know how the proportions of your lower built team but in a lower tier will pan out

[acoustic briar]

thank u. you are always helping me

[spiral badge]

if you want the full video i can provide it but again i'm sure it'll do more harm than good

[sick pebble]

Its ok tysm bro
Its kinda annoying how that miniboss requires parry to deal damage

[spiral badge]

you can attack it to force it to disappear once

and when it reappears it'll try to do an attack unless you attack it again too quickly

simply bait out the enemy attack, evade it, then freeze it or apply a lot of hitcount

there is a technical parry in this game and that exchange of evade and hitcount isn't technically it btw

if you want to find out what a parry looks like you can look up wolf dominator/andrius (yes the genshin boss. there was a collab) for this game (this is not main story spoilers at all so dw). The intermission of its abyss fight has parrying

https://youtu.be/WfLyLgdWZZw?feature=shared&t=48

ok quick example i can dig up

[sick pebble]

ahh fischl and Andrius the goat

[spiral badge]

oh also i paused pretty often in this video. They're not important. I do it often to think about what i want to do next

there can be times where pausing does have an actual purpose though but this is mainly for waiting for very specific things like sp packs to become pick up-able. Not really important for now so i won't say much more

---

you do see that i end up letting coralie's buff expire because i know i'll outburst soon to refresh it rather than swapping into coralie directly

[sick pebble]

i see. Is that what pro players do lol. carefully plan out each attack and sometimes cancel

[spiral badge]

idk. it's something i do

most players may consider it unprofessional and obviously it doesn't make for a good demonstration/video

but anyway i'm not trying to be too perfect about this

there can be tricky periods in a strategy of a fight that you may see other players do it

[sick pebble]

i feel like i cant just straightly attack without evading in superstring dimension no more

there are a lot more special mechanics and that we acually have to dodge for it. Its like those insanely cool bosses which requires you to like hide or stay in a moving circle

[spiral badge]

it can depend on the context but for mobbing in abyss you mostly can just rotate until they have gimmicks like the rime trauma shields or the final enemy evading in this stage

but at a high level, optimizing hi3 boss fights won't always have exact same rotations

the idea of a rotation is still there, but there may be tiny adjustments here and there for each cycle

this is why if you want to improve in hi3, you will eventually have to learn about each valk's actions (why is pardofelis consuming the purple meter? why is coralie using weapon active? etc)

but this takes time so don't rush yourself to learning it all at once

[spiral badge]

@broken marsh maybe you'll find this helpful too. lots of details pointed out below

[sick pebble]

i have no idea why i wasnt in the NA server 😭

[spiral badge]

oh one more thing. at the very start it's hard to see but i made coralie use weapon (you can see a node get consumed) > cancel it immediately with ultimate > then jump weapon for the debuff and stellar drain (restores ARI once every outburst cycle)

[sick pebble]

sounds like memorizing 57 olls for a rubiks cube

[spiral badge]

first weapon was to start the 3pc effect.
ult was to get to three stacks (also restores 3 ARI but this doesn't matter for this case)
then the second weapon actually hits and debuffs enemies and extends 3pc effect

maybe this is getting too detailed

honestly i'm covering some very fine details here lol

[sick pebble]

actually i wonder what that node thing does. isnt it like gonna decrease when in burst mode

[spiral badge]

it takes time but it adds up day by day

[sick pebble]

ima try to record a vid

[spiral badge]

oh it's just for your weapon button. you need to have dots on it to use it

you regain dots mainly from landing basic hits, although there are other ways

[sick pebble]

(if possible)

[spiral badge]

i'm actually about to hop off soon but other people can prob review it

[sick pebble]

thx again lol

[spiral badge]

for the most part i trust regulars here to be constructive about helping you. This should never be a place where people make fun of you for your bad play. If anything bad play should be expected here and you're here to improve.

If you ever come across anyone who has been disrespectful then feel free to report to the modmail

just saying this preemptively

because i know some people get really shy about sharing their play and i don't blame them (and i do know some people can be very toxic too)

while sharing it is the most direct way for us to help you improve with details, you're also not forced to do so

[spiral badge]

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actually there's one more detail i can probably talk about. At 1:46 i prob should've let the non-mecha sequence where vita spins with her tail things and ends with a vertical slash play out

basically every time you do a weapon > enhanced ba4 (works for non-mecha and mecha form), you get something called abyssal energy stacks (can see this above your hp bar). It caps at 2.

If you have these and trigger stellar drain, you get 5 more astral ring energy per stack.

Although note if you already triggered stellar drain for that outburst cycle, you won't be able to retrigger stellar drain again until after your next outburst. Abyssal energy stacks are useless until then

if that confuses you, you can ignore all this lol

it's not that important for now

[sick pebble]

oh yea that thing.
I can never predict that cooldown well and i just keep on delaying AR charging rate

Ohhh so it can only be retriggered after a outburst. Thats why i couldnt trigger the effect 😭

[spiral badge]

it doesn't really affect the charging rate itself. It's just a flat extra 5 ARI if you go out your way for it

do you understand what stellar drains are?

basically at the start of the fight or every time outburst ends, each p2 valk can perform a certain attack (differs by each valk but it's usually a big animation move) that will restore a flat 20 or so ARI

and when you consider how this can be roughly 60/150 to reach the next outburst, it's a pretty big deal

although in this case, it's a bit less since we only have two part 2 valks

and well vita is a bit more complicated because of her weapon effect and also because of abyssal stacks. her default regen amount isn't as great either iirc? idr

[patent lion]

How often does hi3 give out old valks? Is it possible for HorB or hotr to be given out for free anytime soon?

[patent lion]

And if so, which one do yall think would be given first?

[spiral badge]

i rather you not rely on people's predictions since they can always be wrong. Best to watch keenly of #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins for confirmed details

you can check out the arustat link in #💁gameplay-help to see patch histories of the game

generally we get a free herrscher at the end of the year but we're also starting to reach the end of that span. Perhaps HoRb is possible but don't actually bank on it

and for new years we do generally get a free valk selector box full of mostly farmable WT valks. A few or one of them may not be farmable like the recent box with silverwing

[mental python]

I assume when at the end it says “enemies have soul link” it means if one dies, the other follows right ?

[spiral badge]

again neither of the two points are guaranteed to happen again. Hoyo is known to change trends esp to suit modern times

[spiral badge]

no quite the other way around

if one dies it doesn't truly die until you deplete the other one

but if you leave it in that dead state too long it'll eventually restore its hp

[mental python]

I don’t understand how my full stigmata, max weapon Elysia can’t even clear the first stage then

[spiral badge]

overall swap targets to the more healthy one when you can

you can elaborate?

there's a ton of possible reasons

first of all ely is type countered

she's automatically doing 30% less damage

[mental python]

Like I don’t even get close to damaging the flame reaver I thought if I managed to kill the spider, I would’ve been done

[spiral badge]

but also what does full stigmata or weapon mean? She has a newer signature and an older one

[mental python]

Ah.

[spiral badge]

yeah she's psychic while the enemies are bio

bio > psy

anyway what is the team and gear like?

[mental python]

Team is Ely/Coralie/Helia (can’t bring sparkle since -50% fire damage)
Coralie and ely are fully geared

[spiral badge]

helia does not belong in this team

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

check the last link especially. It's a big guide though so maybe wait until you're more free

but in short

part 2 team building is all about leader ring types and matching that to the attribute/tags of the supports

ely is wheel of destiny. she wants harmonized shadow star supports

do you have anyone else?

[mental python]

Nope only valks from part 2 I have are Coralie/Helia/Sparkle

I have JK though

[spiral badge]

if you're going to use older p1 stuff then ely is actually better off using her older signature

[mental python]

Can’t believe the spider enemy is bio I was 100% sure it would be mecha due to… well… robot legs

[spiral badge]

intuitive logic doesn't really work in this game. many things are quite arbitrary

[mental python]

Only own the newer one

[spiral badge]

maybe take it easy on this abyss, although we can continue to explore your account more if you really want to pursue this

[worthy stone]

Started playing again since taking a break for a while. Are all the unlockable valks in elysian realm viable at all difficulties? like Griseo for example?

[mental python]

Would’ve grabbed thelema but every time I pull for something I need hard pity
It’s fine ty! I was just confused but me being at a type disadvantage is obviously the biggest problem. I have to expand my roaster somehow but the latest supply packs have been horrible

[spiral badge]

at a practical level i'm going to say no. the older valks will definitely have a harder time

strictly speaking i'm sure someone can find some way to make older valks work but this might involve extreme effort and investment

but anyway there shouldn't be a need to go that far

deep sequence for weekly crystals only really need one valk to do it

and shallow should be doable for each respective valk, while farming them up to lv 15 for their own respective rewards can be done without higher difficulties.

Even the stamps in the shop (you don't need to get them all either) don't demand the highest difficulties

[worthy stone]

thanks. it was fair using ba dum kiana so wanted to make sure i wasnt missing anything.

[spiral badge]

oh for the more recent p2 valks they're probably fine as long as you understand how to play them and what to get for them

we do have an er guide in the pins btw

[spiral badge]

please actually plan for hard pity to begin with. it's very bad and not in your favor if you have to count on non guarantees and fail

although the current/recent leap banner for thelema is basically an adv banner. do not expect to get the card early since the rates for that are much lower than regular banners

leap/adv are for ranking up. more of a whale consideration than a common player

!faq supply

[small willow]

Supplies Explained

Hi, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's explanation of every single supply [here](#👶beginner-help message) and find the banner you want to know about!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[mental python]

Yeah i’m not touching that supply someone explained me last time

I now have 50.000 gems but I want to go for valks I enjoy aesthetically.
A jade knight reskin is not it

Waiting for whatever comes next, even though I probably should get vita for sparkle?

[spiral badge]

well if you're not playing for meta then it's more up to you. If you have any more specific objectives then maybe i can adjust to help you more

vita is one of the more notable supports for sparkle due to her team elemental breach effect but i wouldn't say that's required

you can prob get away with similar enough results with other domain resonance (sparkle is world star)

where both kianas are more notable than the rest

and then some lesser options can be best in very specific scenarios too. For the recent fire kosma cycle, lantern was pretty notable depending on your account investment:abyss tier ratio

(lantern is normally quite bad for WS support)

---

the meta advice is to forget about vita. She's not as recent anymore and she will not be supporting the upcoming new ring type

[mental python]

Oh okay
I'll ask again when the new supply pack drops , post a screeshot of my account so maybe people here can help me decide if it's worth pulling.
I actually enjoy Lantern but i thought she was pretty old already and not as useful? Though the game usually throws her in with sparkle during free stages

[spiral badge]

yeah lantern is very not notable at this point

whatever i said earlier was just a small niche

hi3's endgame is a rotation of many different situations

that's how they keep a wide cast relevant, even if just barely for some of them

in game recommendations are not to be trusted btw

they often are outdated or can even be flat out wrong

we do have pins updated btw

!faq pull

[small willow]

Pulling Priority

Yo, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the pulling priority for this patch!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

but you also said earlier you care more about looks/personal preference which is perfectly fair

[mental python]

tbh the reason i didn't get the latest Kiana is because i didn't want a second Fire character

[spiral badge]

valks are more than just their elements these days

you need to evaluate them based on their ring type, supporting attribute, typing, and other sub categories like melee/bleed/etc

[mental python]

I see ty for infos

Praying for the next patch to have a strong valk that could work on my account (or that i get lucky and grab an early)

[spiral badge]

info about it is in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

be sure to take the time to understand how ring types and p2 team building works (faq for that was linked earlier)

you'll probably use ||coralie and elysia to support her if you get her||

[mental python]

that is very good news

[steep drift]

This is a list of everything relevant in my account. Considering if I should use box for Ely ELF or PB ELF. PB is only an improvement for my Hare/HoRB teams; for physical I can just run LoA. Ely would be an improvement for Ice teams instead of KiaElf/DS, but 2* Ely isn't as good as SS DS. It seems like Ely is the best but I should wait until I can 3 star an Elf; but what do you guys think?
I can get 22 elf fragments atm.

[spiral badge]

i think it's good to be aware of this but i also think you need to be more mindful of results rather than purely improvements

an improvement isn't going to matter if it doesn't lead to a difference in standing that changes your rewards

so you can wait on pb elf until a hare/horb situation arrive as you are saying

i honestly have a very hard time imagining ely elf seeing a use case for now when p1 ice is basically gone imo. For p2 cases, maybe thele evade farming can compensate to enable her, but there can be situations where you need both a higher initial ARI op with thele evades

i think i pointed that out to you before?

but personally last hellmaru abyss i opted for teri op for higher initial ARI along with thele evading off an initial fireball from the central node. dunno how it would be now though

anyway it's not waiting until you can 3*. It's more that you should wait until you recognize a specific scenario where an important improvement exists to you.

3* is definitely the benchmark to start considering it but not something to jump to immediately

[steep drift]

Currently Hellmaru abyss I'm in RL so I guess I don't need to worry too much about damage yet. I definitely can't reach 3* with my boxes yet so I think I'll wait in any case. Is S Teri actually better than SS DS for Shadow Star or is that only because of the initial ARI?

[spiral badge]

damage wise no

it's purely for ARI and only depending on what HS valks you have on the team

in my case i had hohe and vita

so that's 16 more initial ARI

---

you may even need to consider other lesser ELFs for weirder niches or even the affix box as well

considering you're a nirv regular/bouncer (this discussion prob should've gone in gameplay help tbh), your account has enough coverage that you have more luxury to pursue niches really

[steep drift]

Okay, but I should wait to choose ELF or affix until there's a situation where I'm in a rotation where at the end of my rotation at the boss has around 1 hp left and I need better affixes - or something like that?

[spiral badge]

p much. You ideally would want a precise scenario

but i also understand this sort of thing may be very niche and rare and there's a possibility you may never encounter it

my suggestions are on the conservative side

and even then there's the possibility you boost your damage slightly but it's still not enough to overcome that sliver

it doesn't necessarily have to be the end of a rotation either btw. It could be needing to reach a critical point on an SD enemy too

or needing to kill with a particular early attack to save a slight amount of score to outscore someone

[steep drift]

I see. What I think I’ll do is wait, but let people know about the ELF box(s) I have in case they think it’ll help me retain in Nirv.

[spiral badge]

sounds good to me

look through my pin if you haven't yet too. I covered a few niche cases there too

[lapis mason]

i cant defeat 13-5

[shell basin]

a lot comes down to what kind of secret techniques you have. I can show you my build for it but I only have it two stars and I think it's pretty reliant on heavily optimized techs

[primal heron]

returnee here i just got a horb(no wep) and sus(no wep) thats my only good valk should i just make a new acc or try for that sus wep?

no beginer guide
story chapter 2
level 17

[fallen shale]

is the event supply worth looking at?

[primal heron]

not realy worth it

[eager helm]

is going for HOHE's weapon and stigmata worth it?

[frozen crypt]

Depends on your account and crystal count/income

[eager helm]

my only part 2 characters are Helia, Vita and Coralie. I have Sparkle, but she's just there for collection.

[thick bolt]

restart imo
there's loads of other stuff you missed in the manual apart from the xtals, so while the sus is tempting especially cause you have one time sources left I'd still recommend restarting

[primal heron]

[frozen crypt]

New acc and hold 16.8k crystals and spend excess on sus so u can guarantee sus wep when you get her

[thick bolt]

^^

[primal heron]

i see,okok imma do that

[eager helm]

I was told HOHE is a decent support if you don't have any good ones for part 2 characters

[frozen crypt]

No she's not a good support for any p2 teams she's more of a cope/cost effective option

[eager helm]

ahh I see

[frozen crypt]

There are just a few niche cases where she is best

[dry python]

lyo

[frozen crypt]

Helo

[slim blaze]

Cay

[dry python]

guess who slacked too much

[slim blaze]

Me?

Omg a2

Its ok. You know the saying. Coaches dont play

[frozen crypt]

AGONY 2???

WHAT

Prof btw

[dry python]

[sweet flax]

[frozen crypt]

If it was ag3 yeah ok but how the fuck did you hit ag2

Did you not play for 4 weeks?

[dry python]

i just have had 0 motivation to do abyss the past few cycles

yeah i literally didn't do shit

[frozen crypt]

Holy shit

Rip

[slim blaze]

Understandable

[eager helm]

I know they're not that useful anymore outside of like Memorial Arena

but which ELF is worth picking

[quick birch]

If you haven't already check pins

[twin quest]

bruh he even cropped out the dist, I can't believe this

[eager helm]

gracias

[quick birch]

Also elfs are sometimes BiS even in abyss but they need to be 3-4*

But those cases are niche and rather rare

[dry python]

LOL

[autumn oxide]

time to fire

minimum rank for prof = rl

shit that'd get rid of half the profs

[dry python]

can't demot me

[distant obsidian]

guys ik its very very stupid question but how do i get more cubes im broke and so im stuck on the starter guide with 2 of 3 prism stigma at level 50

[slim blaze]

Profbottle arc when

[quick birch]

The faq has a list of prism sources

[primal heron]

on what level do i get begginer guide?

[sweet flax]

the manual? its there from when you start on a new account, accessible after clearing chapter 1 (since you are locked into it for the tutorial)

[primal heron]

yea

realy??

tf i didnt get it

i probly already use this acc server ig?? but i got the opening scene

[wheat merlin]

Hello. Is there a beginner's guide? Basically wondering what should I do first thing as a beginner. What to pull on etc etc.

[primal heron]

pins

and asking here count to

[wheat merlin]

K thanks.

[primal heron]

lmao,ig i alread use that acc

[wheat merlin]

Ok so.

Do I pull for Sena and Sonque?

[dry python]

No

[primal heron]

how aobut no

[wheat merlin]

Aight. So basically nothing worth pulling rn right?

[dry python]

Well

I haven't checked in a while ngl

!faq pull

[small willow]

Pulling Priority

Yo, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the pulling priority for this patch!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[wheat merlin]

Ok maybe me stupid but

Who is PS?

[primal heron]

peregine sword iirc

the new BS

[wheat merlin]

Hmm she's not up rn. Maybe her banner went away?

[primal heron]

no she is still on

12 or 11 days left

banner A ig

[wheat merlin]

Looking like this rn

[dry python]

Your level is too low

[primal heron]

wth

owh

[wheat merlin]

Oh ic. I'll progress more then pull.

[drowsy finch]

Question about pri Arms and passwords

I cant Turn elys new weapon inzo a priarm cuzi typed in the Password wrong top many times

When can i Turn it?

[heady relic]

You can disable the passcode which will take 3 days
After 3 days when passcode gone then you can

[patent lion]

do we know when sparkle will rerun? has she ever had one?

[primal heron]

last patch iirc

[patent lion]

NOOOOO

[primal heron]

or is it 8.0

[patent lion]

FUCK MY LIFE

I WAJTNJT SPARKLE SPARKL

[heady relic]

nuh uh

[amber plume]

i recently started and got the sushang that's out but i cant use her in story for some reason?

[patent lion]

so she hasnt had a rerun??

[primal heron]

yeaaaa

[heady relic]

She's had reruns in 8.0 and 8.1

[primal heron]

https://www.arustats.com/en-us/hi3/timeline/8.1

[patent lion]

oh.

so she wont return. great.

[heady relic]

?

[primal heron]

she will but we donno when

[patent lion]

most likely never because she will be powercrept

[primal heron]

https://tenor.com/view/coin-toss-coin-toss-gif-5017733

[amber plume]

someone help me please😭

[sweet flax]

how does that make sense in any way

[primal heron]

p1 only on p1

[mental valley]

What does 4/4 mean

[primal heron]

p2 only on p2

[primal heron]

full stigmata and wep

[sweet flax]

fully geared in terms of BiS
most of the time usually means signature gear

[mental valley]

Oh so I'm 3/4 I don't have the weap-

[primal heron]

usualy it means if the char using their spcial wp

[sweet flax]

I mean p2 is really 0/1 or 1/1 stigmatas are craftable
weapon or bust

[patent lion]

does anyone use devourer or star of eden? i found them on my inventory

most likely not but

[primal heron]

welt

[patent lion]

i mean as in the character

[sweet flax]

no, assuming you are talking about relevant or newer charas

stars of eden is just used for dkey syncing (stars of eden: anti-entropy is used by hor if you meant this variant)

[patent lion]

whats stigmata farming?

!faq stigmata farming

[drowsy finch]

thanks for using potato language4

[sweet flax]

farming stigmatas in the foundry (universal mirage mats)
also you cant use faqs, only profs or above can

though the cases of needing to craft stigmatas in the foundry aside from p2 stigmatas is not common nor recommendable unless you have a special case

[patent lion]

my friend told me to get alexandra for stigmata farming? is it for stigmata resonance? how much resonance does it give?

[sweet flax]

do you even have dreamweaver

[patent lion]

idk i thought to salvage,they specified stigmata farming

[sweet flax]

first off alexandra will take months (close to a year) to farm, and is only usable on dreamweaver, there is near 0 reason to craft it
please refer to the faq I linked you on actual things worth farming for in mirage

[knotty atlas]

What should i put on my PE? Lvl 88 for ER have wep

[sweet flax]

do you have any of her bianka stigs?

[latent hatch]

Hello! Never paid to much attention to elfs since i started and focused on p2 content, any chance they might be better than dreamseeker?

[primal heron]

if your main is only p2 probly just use SS DS ngl

[latent hatch]

holy let me try to find the glossary again XD

No clue what ngl is; but OK dreamseeker it is

since i got the free elf box; maybe i should get the bronya one to have a pysical astral ring?

[frozen crypt]

pulling pin updated

[latent hatch]

oh thanks i'll read thatè

[sage trail]

what's the income per patch

the avg

[frozen crypt]

depends on a lot of factors

!fac calc

!faq calc

[small willow]

Crystal Calculator

Hi, Captain!

Ai-chan recommends this calculator: https://honkaihub.com/calculator

[sage trail]

i don't need a calculator i need an avg of the patch income

[frozen crypt]

like I said it depends on a lot of factors such as your abyss rank etc. the calculator allows you to factor those in

sure I could tell you oh yeah its 18k but for all I know you could be in sinful abyss and that number would be wrong

[sage trail]

i think Rl is a good middle point tbh

[frozen crypt]

yes exactly

[sage trail]

idk if i'll be able to retain rl at the moment tbh

but whatever i just need to pull the newest valk and i'll be in Rl again

[primal heron]

wait

wring date mb

[frozen crypt]

not really that simple especially if you are a returnee I don't have much context of your account I'm just guessing based off your nickname, new valks rely heavily on specific support attributes that only part 2 valks have, you can't just use old supports with a new valk and retain RL consistently

[sage trail]

i get that

kinda shittty tbh

[frozen crypt]

this game doesn't reward inconsistent players at all

[knotty atlas]

I have T

[primal heron]

[sage trail]

yeah it's just annoying

good idc about nirvana anymore

trying to get ely's DK rn

[frozen crypt]

yeah just play casually

[sage trail]

ik if i play for long enough i will go back too nirvana anyways

D might go up

but player skiill won't

[frozen crypt]

if anything its going down lol

hoyo seems to patch most things that require skill

p2 braindead

[sage trail]

you ssay as if p1 didn't had no brain valks like aponia, sw or DA

[frozen crypt]

yes but now almost every valk is a new apo sw and da

[sage trail]

true

[glad ice]

link?

[primal heron]

https://honkaihub.com/calculator

[glad ice]

dang it my budget is smaller than i thought

[sweet flax]

Do check the crystal sources pin

There are one time crystal sources that cant be put into a calculator (unless you add it yourself manually) should consider them as well

[wheat helm]

is there a way to get star of eden pri arm i wanna use it for my herrscher of reason cus no ice dpses

wait nevermind i have silverwing n:ex

[sick pebble]

Wait for some reason I cannot find gluttony in the crafting list

I could only craft one but the other 2 pieces were no where found

[thick bolt]

costs 30 ss imaginons
inside the basic stigmata section

[sick pebble]

or is that a single piece stigmata

[thick bolt]

it's single piece

no wait, forgot if the other similar theme ones count, Theresa Gluttony: T

just scroll through the basic stigmata section

[spiral badge]

It's a single piece strictly speaking. There are no set effects iirc

But yeah there's others like fuhua pride or bronya sloth. Ignore them

The remaining slots should be fhm mb

[sick pebble]

umm sorry but what’s fhm

I feel like if I have spare songque’s stig I can use the 2piece set effect

[quick birch]

fu hua musician

[sweet flax]

There's a glossary in pins as well to help with abbreviations

[tall flax]

Can I get a good score on the boss with JS DPS or Luna DPS

[spiral badge]

i have no clue what tier you're in. Quite important to know

It may vary with bracket too

For RL or nirv i really wouldn't expect much if you don't have hohe and/or thelema

maybe also if you have some hyperinvested old ice team from the latter end of p1's period but you prob don't have that either

[ancient needle]

Should be fine in RL, no?

Assuming BiS supps that is

But ye, JDS defo doesn't have BiS supps if she's a consideration

[tall flax]

I’m in RL atm

And my score with a full LoA team using Sushang as DPS is 509

[spiral badge]

with how relatively popular thele and hohe were i really don't expect this to be the case generally but idk. RL can surprise me in both ways and some brackets can be very slack

[spiral badge]

well a proper RL score would be high 800 or low 900

[tall flax]

well Sushang has brick, and not her proper weapon

i guess its part of the reason she cant DPS

[spiral badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiV1wP35Q8s

[tall flax]

i dont have Senadina nor Thelema nor any WoD support

[spiral badge]

yeah take makes it especially worse. I'm not even sure how much PS can benefit from brick. Most effects are HoS or burst mode only which PS doesn't have

[spiral badge]

what is your JDS team again?

[tall flax]

made a mistake on the abbrev, i meant to say PS

[spiral badge]

you realize JDS is WoD right?

oh ok

anyway i really don't think there's much to consider here. If the bracket looks slack enough on the third day then maybe try some more

but overall this is way too uphill between a lack of options on your own end vs popular options from other people

try not to miss out on PS weapon i suppose unless you want to leave her to support duty only and cut losses for a future release

[tall flax]

i will most likely skip out on the next one

[spiral badge]

then yeah try not to miss out on PS weapon for now

considering how lacking your account seems, a part of me feels you make sure the limited options within your account are standardized

and PS is one of the better options for supports for now, along with covering bleed which is a polarizing niche

but also i'm always lost when it comes to how you want to approach this game because you seem to take large breaks or prioritize seele valks

[tall flax]

well i pretty much want to have a single team that will last me several patches, not always chasing every single one unless i have to

[spiral badge]

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if you were a more established player then maybe skipping PS weapon would be more viable since you have other things to fall back on and can still use PS for her support niches. You also missed the first few weeks of PS shill to maximize her mileage, and may be better off focusing on the next new release for their shill instead.

But that isn't the case for you

[spiral badge]

well we're not really saying to chase every single one. That's not really reliable actually for f2p

but we do plan for you to pick up most new releases

you understand how hi3 rotates across multiple weathers right? A single team checking everything simply doesn't exist

but a single team will last a while because their own scenarios will come up again and again. Just less and less as time goes on

Luna was very notable for having nice bruteforcing but even her scenarios are still limited.

[tall flax]

I dont expect to top score every weather with a single team, just a retain for the non-shill and top score for the shill

[spiral badge]

at least try to aim for fulfilling two teams because a single team will obviously be hard countered here and there. Part 2 makes making multiple kinds of teams from a few valks especially easier

but it's really difficult to comment more specifically at this point

[tall flax]

i already have P2 HoFi gear, but i dont have her nor Vita, its the closest I can have for a second team

[spiral badge]

even if a valk is good at bruteforcing, she's not going to stand a chance if your bracket is harder working or if the best option is very popular

at any rate Ron, if you're going to take this approach that's full of holes in coverage, at the very least make sure you only invest when you can guarantee/fully afford to

[clear saddle]

should i get jadeite sleeves or thelema (i have have hi3 sushang)

[spiral badge]

can you show your valk roster actually? I just realized you said you have a full LoA and that's prob important to know who specifically.

[spiral badge]

which sushang? There are two

JK or PS?

[clear saddle]

s rank one

[spiral badge]

both are s rank

[clear saddle]

peregine

[spiral badge]

JK is farmable from WT and much older and outdated

PS is the gacha exclusive one with astral ring and is more relevant

[tall flax]

by full LoA its only 2 Units with LoA Ring and 1 with Heavenly Shift Tag
Badum, PS, HoHE

[spiral badge]

anyway go after PS weapon then

[sweet flax]

thelema from ascension supply? never roll on that banner without being able to garuntee the unit

[spiral badge]

thelema currently is only available from a leap banner. You don't expect to pull the valk from these banners unless you go to full pity

!faq supply

[small willow]

Supplies Explained

Hi, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's explanation of every single supply [here](#👶beginner-help message) and find the banner you want to know about!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[clear saddle]

ok

[spiral badge]

and signature weapons are very important in this game

[sweet flax]

and either way, thelema's uses are not as noticable as it used to be (especially without her weapon)

[spiral badge]

you can lose as much as 20 or 60% personal damage without them and they may offer important functionality to the valk's gameplay too

[sweet flax]

getting her now would just set you back towards future investment

[clear saddle]

so weapon > thelema

and weapon > s1

[spiral badge]

that statement doesn't make sense btw

if a valk has LoA ring type they automatically have HS tag.

But you mainly look at the ring type of the leader and the tags of the supports

also why are we not considering HoHE if you have her?

[quick birch]

ascension supply isnt listed there yet but check out the adv section ascension is basically just the p2 adv

[tall flax]

LoA Ring implicity has Heavenly Shift as the Tag
But not the other way around

[spiral badge]

you can even go as far as HoHE dps with HoFi and JDS supports maybe? WoD only really needs one to function

[tall flax]

shes a support, she cant dps

[dense sand]

Go for thelema only and only if you can guarantee her and have no investment in ice, otherwise new>old
Specially that she was the second s rank of p2,she will become free early
Besides, literally every abyss cycle nowadays has some use for PS

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and weapon > s1 (for pergegrind)

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yes that's true

[sweet flax]

ranks are unecessary unless obtainable for free, valks work just fine at s0, older valks require ranks to be competitive with older players who have ranks however but you can do just fine at s0 (even at nirv)
valks are more reliant on their gear which unlocks portions of their kit locked behind said gear and huge dps/supportive potential

so yes, valk + weapons > ranks/weapon synergies

[quick birch]

generally you dont want a valk without weapon in this game

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for most intents and purposes unless you're a whale, you don't need dupes in this game

[quick birch]

and when you pull a dupe you'd go to s2

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can you elaborate? Is she missing something?

she at least has her weapon

[quick birch]

its s->s2->ss->ss1->ss2->ss3->sss

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if you're using her for LoA or any p2 team

and stigs are craftable. I don't see how you can not use her as a dps

[tall flax]

yes she has full weapon and stigmatas, but she is a support because I dont have any WoD supports to make her dps

[sweet flax]

no sena/vita or thel?

[tall flax]

nope

[sweet flax]

what have you been pulling then

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was the JDS earlier a typo?

[tall flax]

yes

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any valk with a ring type will have the same tag for that right type

but as you said this doesn't work the other way around. So a valk with HS may not have LoA ring type

however for JDS she is WoD so she has harmonized shadow star

[quick birch]

even if they don't have anything invested into ice thelema is a bad pull imo, trying to catch up with old meta and giving up never units for it really just isnt good in general especially when ice cycles are rather rare. We just had some in this and last patch because of HoHe dkey release and thele ascension supply + thele doesnt have synergy with the recent units and wont be able to support any ring beyond WoD

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oh nvm you said yes

[tall flax]

P2 HoFi, Badum, P2 HoHE, and PS

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you can probably still try HoHE dps with hfi and coralie support

but your rondo in the shadows duration will be less in outburst

[sweet flax]

tried brute forcing with the team sairaan just mentioned?

[autumn oxide]

run ps badum hh ez

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@frozen crypt please update supply faq with ascension/leap supply

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no weapon on ps

they're using brick

[frozen crypt]

yes it's on my to-do list

[autumn oxide]

what a bricked acc

[quick birch]

wasnt leap just the unoffical translation

[autumn oxide]

restart when?

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yeah i think so mango. i only remember it because i'm pgr brained too

[frozen crypt]

xd

yes its called ascension

[quick birch]

[clear saddle]

what do i grind for 2200 more crystals?

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!faq crystals