👶beginner-help

[torpid orbit]

Lyo lazy smh

[frozen crypt]

TRUEE

[frozen crypt]

Don't even joke about this it drives me mad HAHHA

[sweet flax]

Then prove em wrong, make a new faq

since not lazy

[torpid orbit]

Lyo already makes all *most (sorry ) the FAQs, I think, can’t ask for more

[frozen crypt]

Most

[sweet flax]

Credit where credit is due most profs contribute a lot as well

[frozen crypt]

But profs help me too especially with the info side of things

[dry python]

Except me I inhibit progress

[frozen crypt]

Profs do more work in here than I do zzzzz I just do fancy faqs mainly these days

[sweet flax]

Even non profs can contribute info that eventually find its way to faqs

[frozen crypt]

Yeah truege

Ty for updating the spreadsheet cay

:3

[dry python]

Definitely one of the takes of all time

[sweet flax]

Wait cay did something that wasn't a beta test guide?

[dry python]

Wait fuck I forgot

[sweet flax]

/j

[frozen crypt]

Wait u didnt? LMAO

[dry python]

Erm

[frozen crypt]

I was JOKING

[dry python]

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[dry python]

Be right back

[torpid orbit]

[sweet flax]

LMFAO

[frozen crypt]

Vro forgot sushang

Thanks cay

I forgot too Haha

[dry python]

send me an orange hex code

this is the first bio valk

[frozen crypt]

Errrr

[sweet flax]

FFAE42

[abstract sequoia]

visual representation of facts is still important

[dry python]

good enough ig

[torpid orbit]

infographics are nice, yep

easier to digest than letters

[abstract sequoia]

or rentrys

there is a reason why people go to reddit or hoyolab instead for guides

[sweet flax]

As long as it doesn't contain words that will make a gacha player slightly more intelligent then its a good guide

[abstract sequoia]

and yt ofc

[frozen crypt]

LMFAOOO

[sweet flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901268521181401108/1363625570277003406/9resih.gif

[abstract sequoia]

real, no highly detailed yapping

(as much as I love that)

[frozen crypt]

Thats why the detailed yapping is usually on a link so people can ignore it if they can't read

[torpid orbit]

it’s also just that a pic sometimes says the same thing as a paragraph, but in more digestible

like a map vs. a description

[frozen crypt]

Real

[sweet flax]

It just has to take more than 1 bit to display for people to be able to comprehend it

[abstract sequoia]

sadly much of that is important for full context, so it becomes lost to time first

[frozen crypt]

A lot of people get confused about p2 team building so sai is trying to push more guides for that might see if we can make a faq specifically for it if the one linked on !faq ring isn't enough

There's always shit to do and update

[sweet flax]

Tbh there can be a guide that goes more into detail about team building, but idk how much a whole guide that is a longer version of "look at tags, match the ring" is gonna benefit anyone

[dry python]

chat who's in the ??? tag
is it just rs fws hoh ps

[sweet flax]

Yep

[dry python]

ok updated

[sweet flax]

[frozen crypt]

Omiga ty caycay

Looks good

[dry python]

yeah i did the ??? stuff in advance so i don't have to do as much shit in 8.3

[knotty agate]

hi, i read the pinned mesage and only started a new account today – PS is worth spending my gems for until her banner ends?

[abstract sequoia]

if you have enough yes

for both valk and weapon

[torpid orbit]

for her and her gear

[knotty agate]

if not i just save then?

[sweet flax]

Not until her banner ends, until you get a single copy of her and her weapon, stop pulling when you get both

[dry python]

holy shit you're back

wtf

[knotty agate]

omg cay i remmeber u!!

[dry python]

Awave

[torpid orbit]

saving is fine too, yep
there’s also a calculator in the pins for gem-income and if you’re new then you probably can afford her either way thx to all the perma-crystals

[storm lantern]

well new accounts can get both just depends on how much you want to play, can also reroll as another option to be able to get both

[torpid orbit]

but you can also check the next one in (beware spoilers) #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins and decide if you perhaps would prefer the next one for some reason

[sweet flax]

Getting this valk's patch is gonna be as important in either case due to tags

[knotty agate]

ooh okay, are there any MUST pulls? i remember hotr (bronya) was one back in like 2023

[restive shell]

Another question what’s the difference between bronya wolf dawn and Valkyrie chariot

[torpid orbit]

likely that too, yeah

[dry python]

not now

[torpid orbit]

same character, different Battlesuits with slightly different mechanics

same case for many other characters

[knotty agate]

ok i just save until end of patch and see if i have enough for ps weapon and character

[dry python]

also htr was dec 22/jan 23 wtf i'm going to jump off a building (in game)

[sweet flax]

There's no must pulls, there's "will this valk benefit me for a good amount of time compared to other options"

For beginners ps is that valk, for the majority of older players, it's just bleed coverage

[knotty agate]

OK BET 🔥

[restive shell]

So should I level up the wolf one or keep the basic one u get ?

[knotty agate]

mb wrong chat 🥀

[sweet flax]

Yes pe is in dorm now to answer your question, yes we are boomers

[torpid orbit]

doesn’t really matter, you can play whomever you like more, later in story they’ll just throw trial-valks at you to play with, so you can focus for now on just whom you like

[knotty agate]

i started like 2022 and stopped playing mid 2023 omg i loved PE so much she was my queen 😭

[torpid orbit]

as for end-game modes… neither is really strong there anymore

[restive shell]

Oh thank you

[torpid orbit]

also! maybe don’t spend resources on those “Affix” things

not on the older units

I mean… you can, but don’t go overboard on it

especially don’t roll for CRT, cause CRT isn’t Crit

[sweet flax]

There isn't crt affixes, there's crit rate and crit dmg affixes

Elemental valks can't crit so its useless on them
Physical valks rely on their supports for crit rate due to the bullshit way crit rate is calculated via your CRT stat so crit rate affixes are shit, but they benefit from crit damage assuming their main source of dmg is crit dmg (ps on banner for example doesn't crit)

[knotty agate]

bullshit CRT is crazy

[abstract sequoia]

crit rate affixes are NOT rate, it's a mistranslation for CRT

[storm lantern]

i thought crit rate affixes were just that much crt

[sweet flax]

Oh

Well the thought still applies, its not a meaningful increase worth losing an affix line over

[torpid orbit]

the formula is a bit funky

affixes give the CRT stat

[abstract sequoia]

in songque's case it certainly would be

thanks to her crit dmg increase on overcapping crit rate

only in WoD, but still

[knotty agate]

just curious question is there a meta board

[abstract sequoia]

the meta board is mostly your timeline

and what was run on each boss before

[knotty agate]

so like the older valks are they less meta they are?

[abstract sequoia]

for the most part yes

[sweet flax]

Wasn't there the argument that you could run the rate dkey buff in those cases

[knotty agate]

[abstract sequoia]

isn't enough

only with sera

[sweet flax]

Yes but you should assume they run sera as jds isn't as used as a dps without her nowadays

Otherwise not even crit rate affixes will save them

[abstract sequoia]

without sera, she still has some crit rate boosted skills that still overcap with the dk bonus

but it's a minimal overcap

[sweet flax]

[torpid orbit]

[abstract sequoia]

i did the math, including the stupid crit crt formula

[sweet flax]

And this is assuming thel vita as a team yes?

[abstract sequoia]

yes

with lantern you overcap more no problem

[sweet flax]

In that case can be plausible

But when I mentioned crit rate as an affix line I was talking about the unit individually

Ig that's where the confusion came from

Otherwise you are correct in regards of overcapping

But that overcapping can be achieved passivley with more established units and atk/cdmg affixes can provide similar boosts comparatively iirc

[abstract sequoia]

yea they can

whether its a higher boost is up to math

which most people won't do

[sweet flax]

Also dependant on supports and what not

[abstract sequoia]

oh yeah, especially with crit dmg and rate supports

[sweet flax]

So better to summarise it as "there's one case of crt being better which is on a case of jds that isn't common and is comparatively equal with other cases"

Id also like to add that jds as a support in loa doesn't take advantage of this as much which just makes it a wasted affix slot

Ignoring the fact that we are going to be getting a new ring soon and jds as a dps is not as common as it was

[abstract sequoia]

i wouldn't say crt affix is better though, it would only be better if it was actual crit rate

[sweet flax]

Ye fair enough

[abstract sequoia]

that was my whole reason why i pointed it out

[sweet flax]

[frozen crypt]

!faq crit

[small willow]

Understanding Critical Hit Rate and Damage

Allow me to explain, Captain!

[Click here](#💁gameplay-help message) for the explanation of CRT, Crit Rate, and Crit Damage!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[frozen crypt]

More info on how crit formula works

[abstract sequoia]

otherwise i'd run a ton of crit rate affixes

[frozen crypt]

I don't even know how we found this info its like ancient manuscripts from older faqs

[torpid orbit]

when I started playing I spent all my Affix thingies on Valkyrie Chariot rolling for CRT thinking it’s Crit Rate
don’t be me

[abstract sequoia]

cdmg vs atk still equal in most cases right?

[sweet flax]

I also probs should've known that crit rate affixes were poorly translated since its a hoyo game

[frozen crypt]

I'm an atk believer

[dry python]

it's been so long since i played abyss

[sweet flax]

Depends on roll value ig

[abstract sequoia]

the crt formula is the biggest mystery tbh

where the hell did it come from

[amber finch]

me

[abstract sequoia]

and if it was a player, how did they find it out

[sweet flax]

Nonsense otherwise it'd be misinfo

[amber finch]

i was eating cheese

[amber finch]

nuh uh

[abstract sequoia]

that topic is honestly worthy of a honkai-meta-lore channel lmao

[sweet flax]

Yuh uh

[frozen crypt]

I need to find out how exactly phys breach works so I can put it in the faq because rn I'm not sure, I just know that breach penetrates a % the remaining def after impair but I'm not sure how that works in the formula, whether it penetrates the DEF stat prior to the calculation or after

[torpid orbit]

not too hard to reverse-engineer tbh, if you know CRT and then you just look at how often you actually crit with certain CRT values and then you have the formula

[abstract sequoia]

but it would need god knows how much data to make a 100% accurate reading

[torpid orbit]

obviously you’d also would need the spark of enlightement too to recognize that it also depends on the level but with a bit of luck, do-able

[abstract sequoia]

wait, so that isn't known yet?

[frozen crypt]

I mean I can probably just figure it out based on the existing breach and impair formulas but I'm not 100% sure if they interact weirdly

[abstract sequoia]

i always assumed impair is an enemy debuff so it takes priority over breach

[torpid orbit]

would it even matter actually? it should be just a multiplier, right? and multiplication is commutative, so either way it’s the same, no?

[sweet flax]

Honestly i can test it as well I'm curious too

[frozen crypt]

Idk how we'd "test" this

[abstract sequoia]

elysian realm?

[frozen crypt]

How would that give us the exact formula

[abstract sequoia]

with divine prayer support

so we can measure with and without impair

[sweet flax]

Have a suggestive formula, then include actual values based on valk atk and scaling, and test the theoretical vs practical

[frozen crypt]

[sweet flax]

It's a bit of a process but its the easiest way

To test ofc

[torpid orbit]

it would work, yeah

[abstract sequoia]

need to determine the theoretical test data recorded first ofc, otherwise the practical steps will be lackluster

[sweet flax]

Best way i see it is having vita and horb/hos to see if its additive with impair or multiplicative

That's the most important thing

[abstract sequoia]

vita doesnt do breach in p1

[frozen crypt]

Its just not easy to reverse engineer

[sweet flax]

Leader can be anyone in p2

[frozen crypt]

Because you have all the other buffs that you're forced to get too

[abstract sequoia]

okay true

[sweet flax]

Jds or rs are decent choices

[frozen crypt]

You can't just get impair and phys breach in a vacuum

[abstract sequoia]

yeah..

[sweet flax]

True

[torpid orbit]

no stigma or something which give it?

[abstract sequoia]

vita still has buffs in skills

[torpid orbit]

p2 open map without the gadget

[abstract sequoia]

idk how that would help

[frozen crypt]

Its probably easier to just figure it out from the formulas we already have

[fallen shale]

I just got sushang's weapon as an early, should I stop pulling despite only having one copy of each stigmata?

[torpid orbit]

one copy is enough

[abstract sequoia]

yes stop pulling, you can forge the stigmata in foundry

[fallen shale]

alright pog I won

[torpid orbit]

the effect is Sushang-exclusive anyways (for that particular battlesuit)

[frozen crypt]

Yes stop there's no reason you'd need multiple copies of stig pieces

[abstract sequoia]

and you have 1 stigma box for free

[fallen shale]

so I'm done with pulling for the phase then :>

[abstract sequoia]

mhm

[fallen shale]

yipeeeee

[frozen crypt]

Yep congrats enjoy ur carry valk

[sweet flax]

Congrats on early (I'm not gonna shoot myself tonight)

[frozen crypt]

Xd

[fallen shale]

what's 35 - 60

it was only 25 pity

[amber finch]

wdym

25 pity as in 25 til guaranteed or did it take you 25 pulls

[fallen shale]

it was 35 till guaranteed

[amber finch]

oh you’re asking for the math

thought you meant a story stage or smt

[frozen crypt]

LMAO

[fallen shale]

oh nonono

[amber finch]

tbf 35-60 is fucking -25

[sweet flax]

Bros actually a gacha brain

[frozen crypt]

Tfw sushang wep in -25 pulls

[amber finch]

shuddup

[fallen shale]

I do math for my job but I don't math

[frozen crypt]

Dawei funded his jadeite sleeves

[abstract sequoia]

35 guarantee on valk and full 60 pulls on gear?

[sweet flax]

Chapter 35 stage 60 is my favorite story stage how'd you know

[fallen shale]

new CC thumbnail "they PAID me to get sushang?!"

[amber finch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

[frozen crypt]

My next vid in 2026 fr

[abstract sequoia]

hoyo sponsor wave when

actually, box3 when?

[fallen shale]

anyway I guess that means I get to chill out a little

and just focus on levelling this Sushang up

since there's now less of a time limit on extracting all these xtals

also TA gets to have the nebulous duality now

[abstract sequoia]

your most stressful time limit really is getting starter manual done and events

and since its start of patch, you're not pressed on time

[fallen shale]

yes I am still technically farming for the other Sushang

[frozen crypt]

Prioritise sushang B stig for upgrade btw

[fallen shale]

eitherway speaking of that manual, what's this

what does it mean by "ongoing"

[frozen crypt]

!faq pri what

[small willow]

PRI-ARMs

I'm here to help, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for information on what a PRI-ARM weapon is and the sources of Torus and SC Metal!

Costs:

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[frozen crypt]

Idk why it says ongoing lole

[amber finch]

is this sushi’s boss

[torpid orbit]

oh! yeah, it should be mentioned (especially if you come from other HoYo games), that Events here (in HI3rd) need multiple days to be actually done

[frozen crypt]

Ya

[amber finch]

hmghe

[fallen shale]

huh

[amber finch]

maybe i’ll nirb on it

and die when qua pig reruns

[quick birch]

Ew qua pig this patch isn't Kosmas enough already

[fallen shale]

I have like no resources to level up her sig weapon with rn

[amber finch]

they love that fucking pig

[abstract sequoia]

asked yesterday but got ignored, wth is "Add version" Kosma

[amber finch]

i dont see it on the calendar

[abstract sequoia]

check arustats

[fallen shale]

guess I have to properly get into expeditions now

[sweet flax]

probs a code issue

[amber finch]

i think thats just a mistake or smt

never seen an “add version”

[sweet flax]

overthinking final boss

[abstract sequoia]

they even made a separate Boss leaderboard for it so i dont think its a necessarily a mistake

[amber finch]

whar the

[abstract sequoia]

@lapis quartz

would appreciate some confirmation

[fallen shale]

wait did they just take away the trial characters in expeditions?

[abstract sequoia]

or a clearup on what it means

[sweet flax]

the only way I see it is either a mistake, short for addons (like some enemies with the boss) but that doesnt seem plausible, or kosma is now an algebra expert

[abstract sequoia]

only the non-daily expeditions have them

[fallen shale]

I mean I suppose eitherway it's chill

this sushang literally one shots everything in expeditions lmao

nvm it's not chill this expedition doesn't allow part 2 units

[abstract sequoia]

[sweet flax]

again, it can be a mistake

[amber finch]

i still think thats a mistake

[abstract sequoia]

or Kosma got diagnosed ADD

[torpid orbit]

looks intended to me too

[amber finch]

thought you meant hi3 added the boss in

add version could just be the code or smt

like add the version of the boss

like how husk has 50 different versions

[torpid orbit]

add as in… “additional”?
not sure what it would mean, but is the only word which comes to mind

[amber finch]

add as in add

[abstract sequoia]

(subtype for ADHD)

[amber finch]

why are you guys overthinking this

[sweet flax]

well clearly adding your inputs is clogging up this channel so lets move on

[amber finch]

so true

fuck you ram

wait wrong one

[quick birch]

why mees boolie

[abstract sequoia]

kinda suboptimal if you want to get the 3 objectives done

[quick birch]

why are you mees anyway

[autumn oxide]

lollll

[abstract sequoia]

especially "ult once" or "do an x hit combo"

[amber finch]

felt like it, theories have been made that i melted

[autumn oxide]

+200 is criminal

[fallen shale]

I happened to do ones where the only objectives were "deal damage and don't die"

[abstract sequoia]

yeah those are no problem

[torpid orbit]

it took me multiple attempts to find which valk I can even use without killing the mobs too fast for the 100 combo task or whatever it was ||||

[abstract sequoia]

yeah thats why you leave some valks unleveled

[torpid orbit]

they now give you trials, I heared

[abstract sequoia]

4/4 trials who oneshot anyway

[torpid orbit]

not sure how optimal though

[abstract sequoia]

lvl 25 to be fair, but the gear makes them op as shit

they even gave BKE trial abyss flower

[frozen crypt]

Umm https://m.hoyolab.com/#/article/696770

I'm really not smart enough for this vro

[autumn oxide]

gl lyo

its a fws boss

[frozen crypt]

Nah fuck that the real final boss is creating a formula that shows how impair and physical breach interact

[sweet flax]

so bosses have a def stat, phys res stat, and ele res stat
impair reduces def, and phys breach ignores phys res stat

but the phys res stat of enemies is unkown as the game mentions it no where

that's what I understood 😭

[frozen crypt]

I thought phys res was calculated from def LOLE

[sweet flax]

it is

1/(1 + (def/300 + 160 (assuming lvl 80 valk attacking)))

[frozen crypt]

I need to get up and wake up properly

And hop on draw.io

Fuck me

Why did I even get so fixed on this

[sweet flax]

ocd probs

[frozen crypt]

I got smth thats for sure

Diagnosis when

[ancient needle]

All your HoV footage is enough for that

[frozen crypt]

I'll update some more important stuff like wep faq first before I try and figure this out more

[frozen crypt]

What do I have Dr Teammate

[ancient needle]

Dyslexia

[frozen crypt]

Veo

Vro

Bro

[sweet flax]

I mean

[ancient needle]

Checks out

[sweet flax]

you arent helping your case lyo 😭

[frozen crypt]

I just have short fingers

[sweet flax]

so theoritically speaking, if you have a source of impair and phys breach, you would calculate your damage against the def reduced enemy, then reduce that damage based on remaining physical resistance

[ancient needle]

Why math when just try out

[frozen crypt]

I'm confused about how if impair is a reduction of DEF but phys breach is a reduction in phys resistance how the fuck are they "the same" if there's only one present

[sweet flax]

you go do that

[ancient needle]

Nah, I had to pull off an all-nighter rn

[sweet flax]

gotta wait till they release p2 valk with impair and 0 synergy with vita so we can keep guessing

[frozen crypt]

Raaaaaa

[sweet flax]

ill see how it goes in er, but enemies are not the same in each floor so its basically pointless

[autumn oxide]

using math in a gacha game other than to calculate if u hv enough pulls? nah

[sweet flax]

using math to calculate pulls is a cardinal sin

you roll, you get something or not

[autumn oxide]

im not whel like u

poor f2p like me hv to plan pulls sadly

[sweet flax]

gg

[frozen crypt]

ggez

I wonder if people are just straight up wrong when they say phys breach and impair are the same

Or I'm stupid

The latter is more likely

[torpid orbit]

I can later bring it into one formula, but maybe in the evening, not now

[frozen crypt]

I wanna try to diagram this shit out I can't learn it just by looking at the formula xd

Not urgent anyway I'm just painfully aware that the breach faq is outdated and we need to figure this out before I can update it

[torpid orbit]

oh! making a diagram is significantly easier!, give me 10 minutes

[frozen crypt]

If ur busy don't I'll probaly end up doing it myself too just so I can fully get it

[lapis quartz]

I received the information that it is Kosma but with a different initial Mob

[abstract sequoia]

is datamining morally okay in that case

[abstract sequoia]

oh, so it does stand for Additionial

[amber finch]

ahmaga

[lapis quartz]

ye

[abstract sequoia]

kinda weird they'd do that but fair enough

[amber finch]

i was wrong

[abstract sequoia]

i guess they don't want sushang to bruteforce a quantum boss

[sweet flax]

we know the formula

you just need to know the boss' def

[frozen crypt]

No fucking idea how we even know that xddd

Magic

[abstract sequoia]

even without knowing the phys res?

[sweet flax]

phys res is calculated via def

its the only variable outside attacking valk lvl

so if you know def, you know the phys res

which means you also know the impair and phys breach value

[abstract sequoia]

so its from process of elimination

since we know everything else

[sweet flax]

not sure what there is to eliminate its just a 1 variable equation

[abstract sequoia]

how much phys res an enemy has

[sweet flax]

depends on their defense, which generally speaking is usually 996 for most bosses, but cant be too sure

[quick birch]

i mean isnt it just impair def which is used to calculate phys res and the more impair you have the less resistance physical breach actually removes cuz it a precentage idk how to put up a formular but smth like physical breach / (1900/1900+def) or am i stoopid

[autumn oxide]

hi pookies

#💁gameplay-help

[abstract sequoia]

especially with newer bosses

[autumn oxide]

this aint beginner shit dont traumatise them yet

[abstract sequoia]

gominasai

[sweet flax]

I can put it in an image with a doodle of elysia to make it beginner friendly

[frozen crypt]

True I shouldn't keep bringing this up here LOL

[sweet flax]

but ye, lmfao we should stop here

[autumn oxide]

e not i

and two ns

gomennasai

[frozen crypt]

Its about game fundamentals but getting a bit too scary for beginber territory ahahah

[amber finch]

gonnemasai

[autumn oxide]

hidden talent

keep it hidden

[sweet flax]

its always good to nurture young talent instead of shaming it

with that being said ches you are fucking stupid

<3

[amber finch]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-cat-vanished-gif-23366245

[autumn oxide]

only thing im agreeing with u on

[slow valve]

CURRENT main missions
there would be something new afterwards?

[sweet flax]

wait is today senadina weather

[quick birch]

If ranked but she needs like SS1 or smth

If everything S0 fws it is

[haughty elbow]

no

[abstract sequoia]

yesnt

sena better if highly ranked with songque aop, otherwise badum

[torpid orbit]

@frozen crypt (libre-office calc file with graphics), I hope I didn’t mess up the formulas
after reading that those seem like different things

[abstract sequoia]

OMG BASED LIBREOFFICE

finally someone else

[torpid orbit]

[frozen crypt]

how tf do I open that

[torpid orbit]

excel should open that, I think, moment, I think I can save it as an excel spreadsheet

[abstract sequoia]

excel jsut works

google sheets import too

[frozen crypt]

man I don't have excel on my pc leme forward it to my work laptop

[abstract sequoia]

ik what can help

https://www.libreoffice.org/

[torpid orbit]

I hope it didn’t ruin the charts

[sweet flax]

needs a math warning 😭

[frozen crypt]

xd

[sweet flax]

too much numbers

[frozen crypt]

yea I'm too stupid for this

[sweet flax]

is it supposed to say breach down here? (on yx-axis)

[abstract sequoia]

i'm not!

[torpid orbit]

btw, no guarantees for correctness, I know I do really stupid mistakes in calc

[frozen crypt]

shall we go #💁gameplay-help

[torpid orbit]

x-axis breach, y-axis dmg-increase in %

[sweet flax]

oh ye probably

[abstract sequoia]

yes, however it works on both excel and libre for me

[torpid orbit]

oh, ye!

[wicked gazelle]

how long does it usually take for a valk to be powercrept

like say ps this patch how long will she stay relevant for

[sweet flax]

differentiates between valks

generally speaking a valk is solid for at least 1-2 years minimum

but hoyo can either extend their relevancy (either through weathers, new units, or the dkey dlcs and rare cases such as buffs)
or cut it

[quick birch]

With longer patches we can expect valks to last even longer tbh

[wicked gazelle]

so its not generalized in a cycle where every year there is a new fire dps that powercreeps the old one etc

[sweet flax]

we had 3 fire valks and a fire valk dkey since p2 started, and other than lantern the rest are still relevant

[wicked gazelle]

based

[sweet flax]

also, not all valks are created equal

[quick birch]

No, there may be multiple fire dps's but they may serve different purposes like different ring, meele or ranged, type etc.

[sweet flax]

you have to keep in mind valks other than their main elemental/physical typing will also have differing unit typing (mecha/bio/psy/etc...), ranged/melee, ring type etc...

[wicked gazelle]

lawd have mercy

so you need multiple valks of each element

[sweet flax]

the only direct replacements are units who share the same type as the least and steals their bosses

you dont need multiple units because older units wont have their bosses run which makes them lackluster if they have no supportive capability (cough senadina)

if you just get the newer valks with their gear and know which valks to skip that yield no benefits to your account, over time you will have a very well established account

[wicked gazelle]

so the bosses will just be weak to whatever unit typing the most recent valk of an element has

[storm lantern]

does senadina have bosses

[sweet flax]

stolen (look at this abyss for example)

[storm lantern]

so as of now its 0?

[quick birch]

If we assume S0 yes

[odd plume]

depend on your goal and money, you only need that much if you are,whale or highly competitive

[amber finch]

unless her rank is high^

[storm lantern]

thats awesome

[wicked gazelle]

but arent patches like 9 weeks now

[amber finch]

ss+ and we back baby

[odd plume]

generally speaking, 3 teams are enough for the most part in red lotus

[wicked gazelle]

that would give me 5,7 units per year not even two teams and that is only if the valks are meant to be in a team in the first place

[sweet flax]

tbh you dont even need more than 2 for rl

unless they are very, and I mean very niche

[quick birch]

Units are not only DPS, 7 units can be more then 3 teams you will just have some overlapping cuz some teams may share a support

[wicked gazelle]

so are units not locked to a team when i used them on a part of the abyss

[odd plume]

that is like 3 or 4 teams already

[quick birch]

Also don't assume that you can afford every valk as a f2ps it's more possible than before but luck is always a factor

[quick birch]

That's MA and your only real goal in there is to clear the two SSS bosses in lvl 81+ MA for 40 weekly crystals

[odd plume]

unless you are very unlucky with the tag, 5 7 p2 valks can get you many teams

[sweet flax]

you can garuntee a unit + her weapon every 2 patches now assuming you are an active player (and incase it wasnt obvious, weapons are a major factor in a valk's utility)

[ancient needle]

Nope, valk locking mechanic is only in MA

[wicked gazelle]

alright thanks guys

[odd plume]

im a f2p, got enough valks for like 7 teams last year

[torpid orbit]

:HoVLoading:

oh! right, of course, teams can have overlapping Valks

[left vale]

best thing about p2

[void remnant]

hey guys, I've been playing the game for quite a bit, I'm level 48 right now but I still do not understand anything pretty much at all

is there is like a video explaining how Synergies in the game work and all?

[quick birch]

i assume you are talking about team building ? if so i will link you a message which explains all currently know astral ring types ( the system which p2 team building evolves around ) and how team building actually works

[void remnant]

I mean mainly yes team building and all

[quick birch]

since you mentioned that you are only lvl 48 you probably wont have that many units with the astral ring system maybe check out these beginner teams

[void remnant]

but not only to build teams, for example if you tell me this valk can synergize with that valk, How is that exactly?

The way everything is named is like kinda overwhelming, I can't tell what is an event and what is a core mode in the game x.x

[quick birch]

thats basically what the team building guide is about, it explains to you how you know if a char can support another char, after that it comes down to what the character wants and what the supports bring to the table, that is a bit more situational then. Just give the guide a read and if you feel confused afterwards i can try to elaborate further.

since you mentioned that everything is a bit overwhelming maybe give this a read, ik this might be a lot for now but if you dont understand something instantly thats fine hi3 can be very overwhelming and complicated as a beginner but we will try our best to guide you through your journey

feel free to ask any questions if you have any

[void remnant]

uhm

I saw abyss is great for crystals but where is the Abyss ?

• it says 3 good teams is not realistic for an F2P or a low budget player, is that really the case?

[quick birch]

in general it is you just need time to gather units, hence why its saying f2p/budget beginner

im assuming you are talking about the Memorial Arena section ?

[void remnant]

yeah, I mean it's something I'm looking forward to, having to get multiple teams

[quick birch]

yeah thats totally realistic even for f2p by the time you will have that you just wont be a beginner anymore

[void remnant]

Ahh I see, and about the whole power creep thing, for example right now I am using Thelema, I got her since release though, does that mean she is no longer good ?

or just that there's more up-to-date valks ?

[quick birch]

attack -> challenge

for you it should be called Q-Manifold

[quick birch]

you've been playing since her release and you are lvl 46?

[void remnant]

well

on and off xd

[haughty elbow]

thats very off and off

[void remnant]

tbf I started playing way before her release, like way way way before, but I always get overwhelmed and take like a year break xd

[void remnant]

48 bro get it right

[quick birch]

hi3 is a game that punishes not playing consistently there is no real way to sugarcoat it, if thelema really is your only p2 valk creating a new acc may be an option since beginner rewards are pretty nice, ofc its not a necessity recovering your acc is possibly it will just take longer.

refer to the first part of message

[haughty elbow]

refer to the image

[void remnant]

prolly start fresh then ?

[thick bolt]

fresh start would be recommended yeah

[void remnant]

dang man I love Thelema

[storm lantern]

no xtals no mats no valks

[thick bolt]

sadly thelema just dies without weapon, so it'll be like playing on a new account just without all the new account benefits if you continue on this

[haughty elbow]

ur thelema has no gear

[void remnant]

yeah

[storm lantern]

if u really really like thelema u can brick ur new account by pulling ascension

but unless u are an insane simp u shouldnt

[void remnant]

I'm more of an Aesthetic player man xd

is it gonna be hard to get her on my new account? I'm gonna start a new account anyway, but I just want to know xd

[quick birch]

technically she will have a banner this version but that is not recommended as kanbaeru mentioned

its a slightly different banner since p1 is adv and p2 is ascension but the same principle applies

[storm lantern]

you only need 25.2k for the new one but everything else is the same

[void remnant]

I see, so basically what I understood to get a clean start, I have to advance in story as much as possible, get SSS Coralie from Asterite shop and just play every mode available while saving crystals for the 8.3 ?

that's like the current meta goal for a new player ?

[quick birch]

if you start a fresh account now you should be able to afford this versions valk and 8.3

[storm lantern]

you can reroll ps if you want to

[quick birch]

not needed ofc rerolling is very exhausting

[autumn oxide]

hi whale

[void remnant]

sorry what was PS again ?

[storm lantern]

not necessary but tbh its less grinding than getting the xtals normally

[autumn oxide]

new sushang

[void remnant]

Oh

maybe I'll just get lucky

I kinda like the new sushang

[quick birch]

as mentioned even without rerolling its save to pull her since new player should get enough crystals and have enough one time crystals sources to afford her and the 8.3 valk

[void remnant]

should I go for both though ??

[quick birch]

from what we currently know yes

[void remnant]

So get 8.2 and 8.3, SSS Coralie and the other SSS they mentioned which helps in 8.3

[quick birch]

SSS coralie would be the priority here, we will have to see how good helia will be with the new 8.3 valk but getting both is something that will take some time anyway

but thats sounds like a solid plan for now

[void remnant]

ight, on it

man the game feels so rapid, like if I don't play for like 4-6 months I make a new acc? x.x

[quick birch]

if an account is established taking breaks isnt great but you can recover from that rather easy tbh, its just that your account has basically nothing usefull that cant be achieved within a short time on a new acc or something that would make that account worth keeping

[thick bolt]

Kinda depends on what the account originally had

[void remnant]

I see, alright thanks a lot everyone for everything!
I'll work on a new account and do as recommended, I'll probably get back to this account from time to time to try and make a Thelema team, if I'm not prioritizing her on the new acc I'll just make this old one dedicated to her team, should be fine since I don't need to spend all day grinding the new acc right ?

[quick birch]

grinding all day isnt necessary yeah, you'll just have to see if keeping up 2 accs at the same time is worth it but since the account dedicated to thelema sounds more like a fun account that doesnt sound like a crazy time investment that you can also drop from time to time it should be manageable

in the end it comes down to how much time you are willing to invest into this game

[vague lily]

Should I get this or hold onto my stardust for now.

[storm lantern]

23x2 are not really impactful they're just rare, i wouldn't buy them if you're even a little unsure

[lucid stump]

cant find anything in pins ab this but which elfs are good picks 💔

[arctic sparrow]

oh, Sorry

sure then, ty

[wicked gazelle]

what do i spend resin on in early game

[sweet flax]

story

assuming you are talking about stamina

[quick birch]

It comes down to which elf you already own tbh, in general we recommend kia elf because she has lightning and fire coverage and if she's 3* she's better than SS DS in some Situations. If you don't have her currently or can't get her to 3* elf frags will be available through spending events in the future where you might want to pick some if you can't afford the valk in the spending event or there's just nothing else worth to get

[lucid stump]

i only have default elf

😭

[hasty swift]

what do you do with oath of judah for it to sync with pledge of sakura

[quick birch]

you have to tune both oath of judah and pledge of sakura, when that is done sync them in the dkey menu which you can reach through dorm

[quick birch]

well then id suggest kiana elf,

[hasty swift]

btw how do i get oath of judah

i cant even find it in the weapon list

[quick birch]

its in exchange shop and BP, although i'd suggest getting it from exchange shop since there are some other dkeys that are exclusive to reserve work currently. Oath of judah is a long time project in the end since farming weapon resonance can take some time

[hasty swift]

thanks

[wicked gazelle]

so i spam part 1 story even after i unlocked part 2?

[wicked gazelle]

i guess thats a yes

[dull coyote]

Would there be any characters in the war treasury worth exchanging for?

[quick birch]

The main reason you'd be getting one of them now is stress test + er crystals, check war Treasury in pins for some more info

[dull coyote]

Gotcha, thank you! I was just curious cause some of those battle suits I liked playing a lot lmao

[shadow tendon]

i dont have jds or sena for current abyss, should i replace jds with sus for badum dps?

i also have dudu and hohe as other loa supp but is sus the best here?

[thick bolt]

p1 early story has a lot of crystals in comparison
and you'd maybe also wanna do it in order anyways (or maybe not, depends on how much you like story)

[wicked gazelle]

im a filthy skipper

im like at chapter 7 now

[thick bolt]

p1 it is, faster skip, more crystals

[wicked gazelle]

alr

[olive condor]

How to start story? I completed chapter 5 last patch. Installed new patch. It drops me in the bridge.

[torpid orbit]

Attack → Story → Select Chapter should work

from most-top menu (after you click on « in the top left corner on that screenshot)

[young hawk]

hii i got sushang from the discounted pull as i did fws last patch, should i pull for sushangs weapon or fws weapon? being honest i don’t think i really wanna use sushang and i love fws a lot but i wouldnt wanna make a terrible mistake

[torpid orbit]

New Kiana is so fresh, that back-pulling her weapon can even hardly be considered a real back-pull… definitely not a terrible mistake by any means especially if you prefer using her over Sushang

especially now that patches are longer

[shadow gyro]

how many crystals and pity do you have rn

[torpid orbit]

(that is if you don’t have FWS’s weapon already, if you have it, then getting one copy of Sushang’s weapon is preferable to getting extra copy of Kiana’s weapon for Synergy, as without Synergy Kiana would still work fine, but not having a weapon on Sushang would be quite bad for her)

[young hawk]

rn im saving for the 8.3 valk and i can gaurantee her + weap, but i have 20 spare pulls and im 19 away from the weap so

[shadow gyro]

get sushang wp at least tbh

[young hawk]

and i hate sushang like i actually wish i never pulled her

[young hawk]

sigh okay 💔

[shadow gyro]

why do you hate her tho? personal reasons or gameplay reasons?

[ancient needle]

If these are the best you have then PS should be best

[granite brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa8MZ2EmxB4

can someone explain what he does at start with songque

like what is that first atk sequence with kiana that triggers songque qte and takes away switch cd

and also animation cancel on songque combo?

[left vale]

80 til on char and 16 til on wp
i have 3080 crystals
im good for 8.3 righttt...

[ancient needle]

That's just Badum's CA

[ancient needle]

That's called "fish skip", Radicre on YT made a guide about that

It's quite likely it'll get patched in 8.3 (no info yet tho ofc)

[ancient needle]

Ye, you're fine

Unless PS is BiS there ofc

[left vale]

eh im fine she doesnt need her weap that bad for support

(anyone lurking this does NOT mean skip her weapon)

[ancient needle]

Oh, right, you alr have PS herself

[left vale]

yeah

whats the best supportive gauntlets for her anyway

cosmic?

[ancient needle]

Cosmic doesn't have any buffs on non-Huas

It should be DoS

[left vale]

well ig theres no options then

oh lmao ill use other sushang's weapon

hey 10% tdm is 10% tdm i guess

[ancient needle]

That's good actually (in comparison)

[ancient needle]

Oh, wait, we aren't necessarily talking Phys

[left vale]

makes the diff between sig and this for support a bit less

now the diff is only 15% tdm and 18% ele dmg

not taking into account the phys dmg buff bc ||this is really for helia mainly||

[young hawk]

both

[shadow tendon]

how does sus stigmata buff get triggered for other valks?

"the world is my oyster"

[frozen crypt]

read 3pc set bonus

top right

[shadow tendon]

[wicked gazelle]

i gotta do "expeditions" for my sensei missions what is meant by expeditions

because i did the materialexpeditions and cleared them with 3 stars but they dont count for some reasn

[fallen shale]

How do you compete the "weekly quiz" BP thing if there's only one weekly quiz

And it wants two

[spiral badge]

do the ones in the dorm. You'll need to unlock them there via the material expeditions though

[spiral badge]

uh did you finish the playable stage after doing the 10 questions?

If you got any questions wrong did you redo the quiz to get them right?

weekly quiz is also quick clearable with vacation tickets if you have plenty of those

[fallen shale]

Oh is that part of the task

It didn't occur to me to try that lmao

[spiral badge]

i assume so. there's no such thing as doing the quiz twice per week and i never had an issue with that bp mission when doing all of that

[fallen shale]

I thought it was just unrelatedly saying "btw wanna try the character we were asking you about"

Btw does anything change with characters gameplay wise when they get their sig or is it just hella numbers

[spiral badge]

it depends on the valk and the weapon

[fallen shale]

I've got PS and her sig

[spiral badge]

in the case of PS i don't think there's any gameplay flow changes. But she does deal more bleed trauma which may be relevant for fights like vill-v or pishacha where you want to build up a particular amount of that

[fallen shale]

What is bleed trauma

[spiral badge]

for most intents and purposes getting the gacha signature weapon is recommended not only because of possible utility additions that can be critical for the gameplay flow, but also because it's a significant boost to personal damage (can range from 20 or even 60% loosely speaking). Damage and utility with the signature are a meta standard and the meta matters for abyss for crystals.

although as much as i say that, i do not recommend backpulling for older weapons. The main takeaway is to not pull halfly on a new release with only valk or weapon

[spiral badge]

Trauma refers to how much of a status you need to inflict before it actually achieves the actual effect of it

although there's two kinds of effects to consider from this point

one is the general status that applies regardless of the enemy. So in the case of bleed the enemy will take physical DoT damage until the status wears off. Some enemies may have different responses to these effects. Some may take more damage when bleeding. Other enemies can vary in how long the bleed lasts for them.

The second kind of effects are specific to certain enemies where they have a dedicated trauma gauge to achieving gimmicks in their fights. Vill-V for example starts the fight with 3 weapons. The fight will not progress until each weapons are depleted in ammo but bleeding them will deplete their ammo early.

[fallen shale]

I see

So it's like a status effect proc

[spiral badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNS6XeKlPlc

example of the vill-v fight

[spiral badge]

also going back to the general status, the amount you need to trigger it can vary as well

some enemies such as flying fish are more innately resilient and need more bleed trauma to others to achieve the effect

[fallen shale]

Is there anywhere I can see the amount of trauma needed in combat?

Like is it on a metre or anything

[spiral badge]

otherwise, very generally speaking the first time you apply a trauma will have a lower requirement. From the second point and onward, they generally will need a higher amount (it doesn't really increase higher than tha though)

-# Paralyze sushang boss does have a gimmick where she needs a much higher para trauma than usual after her transition though but that's a special case

[spiral badge]

there's no resource documenting all the required trauma quantities. Hoyo is very capable of just changing things at a drop of a hat anyway.

But you can visualize the trauma at the top middle of the screen for the general status, and for any specific enemy gimmicks, an icon will be over them in the fight

the game does quantify the trauma inflicted in the descriptions of weapons and stigmatas and skills and such

[fallen shale]

Yeah the second thing is what I meant

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/LxrOhgW.png

so you can see the middle top is the general one

the one on right over vill-v's head is the fight specific gimmick one

it's a circular icon

the perimeter that fills in a clockwise fashion is the trauma needed to achieve the effect

once filled, the middle will light up and deplete downward indicating the duration of the effect itself

https://i.imgur.com/WbjxJgO.png

so you can see here the status is already achieved from the middle. It's depleted a little bit.

On the perimeter you can see the trauma is filled by almost half, where filling it again can refresh the effect

[fallen shale]

I see

[spiral badge]

Oh in some cases the status may become gray in which case the enemy is immune to further trauma until the gray part expires. So there's no more para locking bosses and such. Bleed doesn't really have that property though

[fallen shale]

And this is what I'm trying to inflict as Sushang?

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/jfxbkhh.png

you can see the para icon on the left being grayed out here

[spiral badge]

the new sushang only inflicts bleed

[fallen shale]

So it'll just be happening?

[spiral badge]

and here's the trauma cd being almost empty https://i.imgur.com/5xwfGB3.png

[spiral badge]

for bleed you mostly don't need to think about it for the general effect

but if you're ever fighting vill-v where the final phase needs a certain high amount to end the fight, you'll want to learn the optimal sequence of actions to fill up bleed trauma the fastest

[fallen shale]

Well I'll be sure to come back and ask about that when I reach that fight

[spiral badge]

yeah i'm not going to know right now either

https://youtu.be/YQrtDxumNno?feature=shared&t=710

here's the flying fish example i mentioned earlier

you can see it's very resilient to bleed

technically it's prob possible to reach it but you can see it's not realistic for any practical pace for the fight

in most cases the damage from the bleed DoT is an afterthought, but sushang does deal some decent damage with it

there might be effects in her kit that wants the enemy to already be bleeding too that she'll miss out here but i don't remember the details

[spiral badge]

going back to this question, we can talk about the original sushang (jade knight). Her signature weapon is very important for her gameplay flow actually.

if you haven't reviewed the description for it, now wouldn't be a bad opportunity to do so

[fallen shale]

Can I get her sig for free

[spiral badge]

you should be able to from the beginner weapon box

!faq box

!faq wepbox

[small willow]

Beginner Weapon Option

Hi, Captain!

Ai-chan recommends that you keep the box until you have a use case for one of the weapons. Both Purana Phantasma and Nocturnal Stealth have their uses. Key of Ego is generally not recommended.

If you insist on opening the box immediately, Purana is likely to have more usage long-term due to the team buff and RC being able to quickly debuff enemies which may be useful for SS MA.
-# Please note that you definitely should not rush to PRI-ARM these weapons, they are not a good investment of PRI materials.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[fallen shale]

Ok epic

I'm pretty sure I still have it unless I had a dumb moment

[spiral badge]

since you're fixated on sushang, you prob can pick it up. Although it's fine to be reserved and hold on to the box until you understand the game better

nebulous can also work on the old sushang but it won't be as smooth ofc

do you understand how JK works?

[fallen shale]

No I don't have her yet I've only played her in trials

[spiral badge]

she should've been free eventually from beginner missions too

[fallen shale]

Yeah I'm almost there

[spiral badge]

but idk your current progress there

ok

well i wanted you to dive into the descriptions so you can figure out for yourself how it's important but we can cover it some other time then

sadly alot of effects that occur are quite subtle and passive that you do need to understand underlying effects to improve greatly in the game, and reading the descriptions is a big part of that

anyway any other questions?

[fallen shale]

Not right now but I'm sure I'll have more soon lol

[strong void]

is it okay to spend mats crafting tsiolkovsky set and leveling it up? from marisa's site it seems like a versatile set that can be used as a poverty set on a bunch of old supports

i don't have any other part 2 valks to build with the prisms anyway

i have two of those prism stigma direct level up coupons from some event

[ancient needle]

The main reason to use Tsio is to use on Coralie really

And you'll be using her for a long while if you're new

If you aren't new and alr have enough P2 valks for MA, then do you have a particular reason to get a copium support set?

[strong void]

i guess coralie is enough reason then

[olive condor]

yeah i did. That is where it brings

[ancient needle]

Mors skipped a step:
Attack -> Start -> Story

[lilac reef]

I dont have songque aop so should I be using the second team?

[haughty elbow]

marisas score numbers are so bs theres no way ur getting 801 with s0
unless they are counting s2 with that s

[haughty elbow]

u need a ton of ranks on sena team to beat badum

[lilac reef]

ok I'll go with badum team then ty

[fallen shale]

Would it be ok for me to backpull badum if she runs

I just like the idea of having a "good version" of the protagonist

[spiral badge]

it's not recommended but if you're fine with a lesser mileage pull over the next new thing that's probably higher mileage then up to you

you may want to take some time to really understand the full extent of both valks and the trade offs of each

[fallen shale]

Wait a second I missed her by one patch

[spiral badge]

yes

[fallen shale]

Damn I didn't realise it was that recent

[spiral badge]

but even then it's meta investment wise better to cut losses and to focus on the future

f2p income is limited

and the highest mileage are generally going to be on the latest releases

[fallen shale]

I mean it's not like I would've pulled her even if I started last patch

Sushang being the goal and all

[spiral badge]

for your PS focused purposes, PS will be ||able to support the upcoming valk since she has a locked tag/locked skill for the next upcoming ring type.|| More details can be found in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

but if you want to use PS more as a dps then you'll want to assess for valks with heavenly shift tag. FWS has it but we're not sure about the next valk next patch yet

[fallen shale]

So I'll probably just need to sit on my savings for a bit

Cause I very much do wanna use PS as a DPS at least for a while

[spiral badge]

maybe someday they'll release a different valk with the heavenly shift tag too if not the next one

[fallen shale]

Well it's a shame to miss out on badum but ig it's just not in the cards for now

[spiral badge]

we don't know too much of the ||upcoming new ring type either. Maybe it'll be a repeat of LoA where the supports have plenty of presence and contribute good damage too||

also beware abyss weathers tend to more favor traits of the new release of the patch for the first few weeks. This is partly why new releases are more recommended

as you get further in the game, don't expect to use your PS strongly for all situations. The game has many diverse situations to encourage many different teams

[fallen shale]

I just don't want her to become a full time support too quickly

[spiral badge]

it's not like she'll stay in that role

every part 2 valk already has ways to become a support or a dps

but whether you use them that way or not is at the mercy of the team and/or enemy scenario

[fallen shale]

So what you're saying is she won't just turn into a support and stay that way?

[spiral badge]

yes

there will be future scenarios where they'll encourage sushang as a dps

[fallen shale]

That's reassuring

[spiral badge]

of course nothing is stopping you from playing dps sushang in unsuitable scenarios as long as you're not expecting to score well

[fallen shale]

I was just concerned about the idea of my shiny new DPS having to get sidelined lol

[spiral badge]

think of it more like your new valk is flexible

and can adapt to various scenarios as a dps or support

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

if you're not familiar with p2 team building yet then maybe give the last link a look

[fallen shale]

What's the new valk you keep referring to btw

[spiral badge]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

PS is a Law of Ascension dps. Her tags are heavenly shift and a locked tag for the next new ring type.

[fallen shale]

Is she gonna be a mandatory pull or

[spiral badge]

we don't know yet

if she ends up having important support properties (usually indicated by team breach) or if her dps uses ends up having very wide coverage then maybe she'll be more encouraged

[fallen shale]

Ok

[spiral badge]

or maybe a notable niche coverage but even then nothing is truly mandatory in pulling

[fallen shale]

I tend to be really picky in other gacha games with what units I want to pull

But I was a little worried such an attitude would be detrimental in this game

[spiral badge]

the way p2 has been, it's more about pulling enough to put together teams that matches in ring type and tags

if you mean the idea of maining something then yes that is detrimental in this game.

but if you mean skipping one or two releases now and then, then that's normal and expected as f2p

every release will have specific content dedicated to it and you can expect to suffer more in such scenarios

but a single loss isn't going to be the end of the world in the meta of this game

rather it's more about getting enough coverage to handle most situations

ideally you skip releases who has specific content you can handle without them, and avoid picking up new releases that you can't fully mileage off of

[fallen shale]

With the nature of this game I am open to the idea of needing multiple teams/units I was more wondering how much freedom I have to say "I don't like that unit"and not pull them

[spiral badge]

there's alot to consider really if you want to be objective and things can vary as time goes on too

[spiral badge]

it'll depend on who that unit is

and sometimes we may not have the proper foresight to truly say

but generally speaking yes you have that freedom as long as you don't have a large gap of skips

give the p2 team building guide a read/watch

and make sure you understand the idea of matching supporting tags to a dps ring type

once you understand that, you should realize you don't need anything truly specific and can generally put together teams as long as they match

if you want to topscore and/or aim for nirvana (highest tier) then there will be less leniency ofc

some bosses may have gimmicks that may more encourage one valk than the rest too

but otherwise even if you have the suitable dps but not the best supports, as long as your team makes sense it can usually score not too far off

• in some cases the second best dps can score decently enough too

[spiral badge]

some new releases may have advantages that aren't strongly appealing, and therefore be viable to skip that way too

we do have a pulling recommendation pin here that's updated at the start of every patch too

lastly no matter how well a valk is recommended, if you cannot afford her and her weapon then it's prob a skip. If she's good enough then maybe a rerun backpull is justified but those cases are very rare and don't last for long

[fallen shale]

Ok

I think I got the impression that this game was a lot more rigid than it is

And it's sorta what kept me from even starting for the longest time lol

[spiral badge]

maybe you first looked into the game before part 2 when it really was more rigid and costlier

[fallen shale]

My first attempt at playing the game was when Chrono Navi came out

[spiral badge]

then yeah

[fallen shale]

Lmao

[spiral badge]

teams back then were element focused

so chrono navi was the defacto non breach, fire support

and a typical team would be something like

• the dps
• the support that gives impair or breach
• the other support

but there weren't really many alternatives to each of these slots

or rather the alternatives typically are worse valks that are a whole generation behind with a much larger gap

[fallen shale]

Top scoring is probably never gonna be a goal of mine so it sounds like I do get more freedom than I thought I would

[spiral badge]

nowadays with the part 2 system, there's still a similar format but it's not element restricted and releases for a particular role have been alot more redundant and more frequent that the gap between other support choices aren't as big

catching up is more about just maintaining the account and keeping up with newer releases

[fallen shale]

I think the only thing I want is to be able to "clear" most endgame content

[spiral badge]

as the older meta falls off you'll catch up that way

and meta and casual isn't really a black or white sort of thing either

you should already see in abyss (qmanifold) that there are various stratas to it

sinful > agony > red lotus

it's like that in exalted late in the game too. So if your account cannot do well in a particular tier, you'll drop down until you can handle content. Lower tiers does mean less crystals though which is why we even encourage meta for recommendations

f2p accounts can definitely achieve the semi highest tier reasonably. They can even promote into the highest tier if they want to

but alot of people may not have such attention or priority and have been fine settling for lesser tiers too

it's a balance you'll have to find for yourself

but saying to "clear" endgame doesn't really make sense in hi3

[fallen shale]

Oh ok

[spiral badge]

you can beat the boss but that's not going to mean if you can promote or demote. Hi3's endgame in abyss is about competing against other players for fast boss kills and highscores

[fallen shale]

It's more of a sliding scale of success than a binary "you did it" and "you didn't do it" like the other hoyo games

Is what I'm getting

[spiral badge]

yeah exactly

there can be skewed cases too

players in abyss of the same tier are still separated into smaller groups that we call brackets

so even if there are 200 players in red lotus, you'll only be competing against 18 or 20 at a time or so

and there can be skewed cases where you're competing against 20 sweaty players or 20 slackers

[fallen shale]

Then yeah ig like you said I'm gonna have to find where I'm happy with sitting

[spiral badge]

anyway i'm digressing too much. But that's the end game of hi3 in a month or so from now for you

[left vale]

RL is the most common answer for this

[spiral badge]

RL is our recommended tier which is the semifinal one

[left vale]

but of course you get to choose yourself
some people like to sit in A3; others like to try to compete in nirv (although im not sure why )

[lilac reef]

more xtals in nirv tho

[spiral badge]

everyone has their own reasons. Let's not use emotes that makes it seem like they are being judged lol

[outer spruce]

at the cost of your hair

[spiral badge]

the ultimate goal of the game is to have fun

[left vale]

im not sure any non-whales can have fun in nirv atp

[lilac reef]

esp NA since retaining means myriad

[lilac reef]

too true

[spiral badge]

well don't decide that for them

[left vale]

even sometimes myriad doesnt necessarily mean retention. its insane

[spiral badge]

some people enjoy the more stressed environment of nirv since it pushes them to actually work in details they can otherwise neglect

ok that's an NA issue lol

[left vale]

but i digress
the tier you choose to camp in is completely up to you

[spiral badge]

but anyway

this is beginner help so let's move away from the nirv talk lol

[lilac reef]

Yea but at least some extra crystals on top is nice

[spiral badge]

i also never got a chance to say no meta valk will ever pay for herself in full either. So don't stress over picking up a meta valk you don't like. It's simply not worth it @fallen shale

vita is really popular and she's been well adjusted to be useful alot, partly because of her team breach as mentioned before. But I have also seen a few strats here and there that can score ok without her. Esp for RL and below

[fallen shale]

Ok that's really reassuring

[spiral badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSsNycR7SvQ

quick example

not using vita is only 20 points below the top score here

[fallen shale]

Something I really dislike in gacha is feeling like I need to pull a unit I dislike just cause they're meta

[spiral badge]

for RL i generally ball park retaining to be within 100 or 200 points (depends on the weather) from a top s0 score

[fallen shale]

I think it'd be nice to hit nirv once but I don't think I could ever "maintain" it

[spiral badge]

there's still a bit of that going on here at the end of the day since all releases are now gacha (and you're seeing it firsthand where PS dps is awkward without a heavenly shift support which isn't farmable)

[fallen shale]

Or rather wouldn't want to lol

[spiral badge]

it's pretty realistic to at least become a bouncer between RL and nirv if you really want to try as f2p lol

although the SEA server is also more competitive so maybe not there

[lilac reef]

also hi Sairaan I'm in your bracket :3

[spiral badge]

oh wth hiii lol

quanticador actually is one of the more recent players that got alot of help from this channel/server actually. Now they are in nirv lol

although idk if they are f2p or not

[lyric anvil]

[lilac reef]

I topped up before anni reset but didnt even need to

[spiral badge]

what is your name ig btw lol

i wanna add you lol

[lilac reef]

but yes I did make it to nirv/myriad as f2p

Estel

[spiral badge]

ah

anyway meta isn't something you have to decide right away either

i personally started super casual

but eventually became meta because my casual interest at some point lined up enough with the meta for me to lapse into it

ofc this process isn't as efficient but again what's important is you enjoy the game

[fallen shale]

Okay thanks for the clarifications

It makes me feel a lot better about the long term

[lilac reef]

Sairaan isn't real

[spiral badge]

what the hell lmao

wait

ok nvm you made it lol https://i.imgur.com/2zgz2uV.png

[fallen shale]

Seems a lot of the concerns/fears that made me not want to play for so long were kind of unfounded lol

[lilac reef]

[spiral badge]

for a minute i thought maybe i used to have you added but never recognized you and possibly blocked and removed you lol

[lyric anvil]

[lilac reef]

oh I see lol

[spiral badge]

there's alot of common misconceptions about the game partly due to how it's evolved and changed over time and how convoluted it's become, but also partly due to how dynamic it can be

people who say this game's powercreep is ridiculous and pay walled aren't necessarily wrong if they tunnel vision to the top ranks of the game :X

although if you look at the reality of it, the importance of doing so aren't actually quite there

and people have definitely coped through p1 even though it was more restrictive in various ways but this is a more case by case sort of thing (shoutouts to all the newer players during LV's era using shigure kira to support)

[lyric anvil]

I didn't even know the AR system or even part 2 existed when starting

[fallen shale]

I knew of part 2 for a while but didn't know they were literally just a separate class of unit lol

I showed up wondering where the mystical jump button is

[lilac reef]

When was the jump button even added? APHO?

[spiral badge]

APHO1 or Flamescion. one of the two

[thick bolt]

apho 1 probably, that one came out with ch 15

[fallen shale]

But yeah I was concerned cause it was what drove me away from HSR

And certain old man gachas from even before that lol

I mean HI3 itself is an old gacha atp isn't it

[spiral badge]

i think hsr follows a similar model tbh where they've found a way to encourage many different kinds of teams (break, dot, FUA, etc) across various cycling content

if you can't full clear such endgame content you can still achieve some extent of the jade rewards proportional to how well you can handle said content

i wouldn't say it's the complete same (i actually dont' recommend comparing this game to HSR in general) but if that's what drove you away, you may want to be more wary and have a less meta restrained approach to HI3

as far as the main endgame content goes in HI3 though

• abyss cycles twice a week and you eventually compete against other players there
• MA you're competing against other players too but across the entire server player base in that captain level bracket. However the ranking rewards are very unimportant. You only need to clear about clearing for the most part.
• Elysian realm is single player content and even in barebone scenarios players can properly build and play coralie to handle max weekly crystals.

in other words abyss is really where the primary meta concerns lie

[fallen shale]

Given the specific concerns I had I did kind of come into this assuming I wouldn't be on top of the hardest endgame all the time

Which in this case would be abyss

Like I said it'd be nice to hit the top at least once but it was never something I was gonna hyper focus on

[spiral badge]

i'm just trying to say both games have the nature of cycling endgame content that emphasizes different kinds of gimmicks that are continually released in the gacha

although maybe the smaller scaled differences we discussed would be enough to make it more tolerable here if not there

while recommendations even early on are meta focused for the long term, it definitely is too early to be deciding about how you want to approach the meta too. It's much easier to work your way down once you reach that endgame though so it's better to decide later once you see what it's like

anyway i need to go now. Best of luck

[olive condor]

i need to be here to start chapter 6, right?

how do i start ch 6?

[tall flax]

Is PS ranged or melee?

It’s confusing considering the animations of the attack looks like both

Just like Badum and idk if she’s ranged or melee

[spiral badge]

she's bleed

[outer spruce]

bleed is neither just like luna

[spiral badge]

i don't mean to ignore you but i do not know. Check to see if you have any quests (bottom left of the minimap at the top left)

[tall flax]

What about Badum?

[outer spruce]

melee

[spiral badge]

you may need to interact with other people in the area first?

you may want to see if you're already caught up too. See if your cg collection has everything already (don't show it here though since it's spoilers)

they kinda grouped 5-7 together so idk about 6 specifically

[fallen shale]

Yeah I get that

I'm sure these questions will be much more answerable in time lol

[olive condor]

i think i may have completed...?
this patch does not have story?

[quick birch]

Badum is meele only iirc since she just hits everyone with her staff, but be aware that ranged and meele isn't a black and white situation. Characters can be both, one good example is vita where her normal attacks are meele but once you enter her enhanced state through ult all attacks except her mech punch are ranged

[olive condor]

then why is this boss locked?

[quick birch]

The story of this patch just isn't out yet

[spiral badge]

you can see chapter 7 right here. https://i.imgur.com/DFNsNe5.png

last quest name should be "seek dawn"

check #💁gameplay-help pins for the calendar of this patch. i think we're getting more story later this patch

sometimes you can see content from the patch (e.g. costumes) or even future patches (e.g. new ring type stuff) even when it's not available yet.

idk what that slot you're showing truly means but anyway for now it seems you're all caught up until the next addition is available later this patch

[olive condor]

yeah then i have caught up

[mortal carbon]

8.2's story is not out yet, 8.1's story is 7EX: to none may god pray

[olive condor]

yes i have finished that

[mortal carbon]

then yeah you've caught up

[gloomy acorn]

What counts as a 'premium dish' for the event

[oak estuary]

The glowing ones

When chef cooks and gets inspiration or smt and the dish glows

[lyric anvil]

Yeah text pops up when a chef cooks a premium dish

[snow cedar]

isn't there a way to get helia's wep for free? or am i misremembering

[thick bolt]

past event, task was to complete ch 5 the patch it released

[oak estuary]

There was, but its unavailable now

[snow cedar]

oh 😦

[gloomy acorn]

O

[torpid orbit]

I’ve seen your question have already been answered and sorry, I somehow have not considered the possibility that you have played through all the story there currently is already
there’s a pin in #📚honkai-lore when the next chapter will arrive

[bleak stump]

I just got sushang weapon early af, finally can full gear her

[fickle galleon]

Congratss!! <^o^>

[fallen shale]

Welcome to the Sushang squad

[wicked gazelle]

are there other viable stigmata for sushang other than her sig one

[storm lantern]

no

if there were they would be more expensive anyway

[wicked gazelle]

damn

i need to get some stigmata leveled to lvl 40 for the mission but i dont want to waste recourses on stigmata that are useless for my starting account

[storm lantern]

there are enough permanent source prisms to get them to level 40, are you still pulling for weapon

[wicked gazelle]

well like i said im starting out and im only pulling on her banner and do the starting missions

but i havent gotten her yet im on like 40 pitty

to get more crystals i need to do the mission to do the mission i gotta level stigmata to 40 and yeah thats where i am rn

[storm lantern]

i see, you can level marco polo tm/fhm mb/peary to 40, they're probably gonna be useful for MA for a while at least

[wicked gazelle]

to get them i need some achievements

i think in english it would mean "mail honkai expedition"

where do i get that

[quick birch]

ah its APHO, its the open world

attack -> start -> and then the top left field

[odd plume]

the tab above that

it's the mission name

[wicked gazelle]

benutz die deutschen namen bitte😭

this?

alr

mein löwe mein bär mango

[wicked gazelle]

which one do i pick (if it even matters)

[dry python]

!faq wep

[small willow]

Beginner Weapon Option

Hi, Captain!

Ai-chan recommends that you keep the box until you have a use case for one of the weapons. Both Purana Phantasma and Nocturnal Stealth have their uses. Key of Ego is generally not recommended.

If you insist on opening the box immediately, Purana is likely to have more usage long-term due to the team buff and RC being able to quickly debuff enemies which may be useful for SS MA.
-# Please note that you definitely should not rush to PRI-ARM these weapons, they are not a good investment of PRI materials.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[abstract sequoia]

resources are not that scarce, especially with the beginner shop around

feel free to level up beginner gear like marco polo, robert peary (to forge them into ana schariac), fu hua musician mb and theresa: gluttony t

the only one you shouldn't upgrade from the beginner shops is darwin

[torpid orbit]

es gibt Deutschen Chat übrigens, wenn du’s bevorzugst #hilfe-und-ratschlag

gotta add it in channels & roles und dann Deutsch hinzufügen

less active though I think, but I don’t really check

[abstract sequoia]

people still answer when questions are asked there

[sweet flax]

True but quite slow on some days

[quick birch]

personally i just dont scroll down to the german chats often so i dont see the questions if asked

[sweet flax]

Not like your missing much

Last message in the help channel was a month ago zb

[quick birch]

yeah exactly a month ago and actually i did answer that lol

[sweet flax]

Yep

Honestly recommending they ask here using a translator might be more beneficial

[acoustic ivy]

did they remove the every patch trade for this?

[frozen crypt]

every patch?

[acoustic ivy]

yea? i remember trading this using the something like string thing

[sharp aurora]

For Sena DPS in Abyss, the line up recommends Helia, should i use someone else?

[frozen crypt]

oh!

[dry python]

Should be the time structures

[frozen crypt]

you mean time structures?

yeah time structures got removed

[acoustic ivy]

yes that thing