👶beginner-help

[lunar dew]

i kinda want to get the jade knight from the Training shop. Is she still on any use or not

[narrow coyote]

Lol idk 🤣

[amber finch]

she only costs 1 ticket so just get her

[storm lantern]

shes an er valk so u can actually play her

[sweet flax]

Get it for dorm progression + er crystals

P1 ice is dead so jk is dead by default since her one remaining dps switched sides and got a ring

[quick birch]

you'd get her from that shop anyway main use is for ER crystals, she can be nice as a beginner but you are better of investing into corlaie/RC/TA

[amber finch]

erm actually hotr dps

[sweet flax]

I'm gonna find you

[narrow coyote]

I heard many people said aponia is hard to get .... May I ask why?

[amber finch]

https://tenor.com/view/disappear-meme-disappear-cat-vanish-i-give-up-gif-18022368093503257471

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/thief-stealing-stole-cat-kidnapping-gif-13580660

[lunar dew]

im still hoping i get Aponia from the dorm banner. theyres so many good ones in there

[quick birch]

only obtainable through dorm where it is basically just luck to get her

[sweet flax]

Aponia will be farmable eventually anyways

[amber finch]

dunno why people say that, uh if you want an explaination then ig because no more reruns and she’s only obtainable through dorm supply

[quick birch]

and the chance is pretty small because so many other valks are there

[amber finch]

i mean she’s prob next in line to be farmable but who knows

[lyric anvil]

I guess I got lucky getting Aponia?

[sweet flax]

No way we just got 5.1 farmable, isn't aponia all the way in 5.8?

[narrow coyote]

I see i get it now

[amber finch]

didnt they skip some and then randomly go back in order

[sweet flax]

[lunar dew]

still mad i missed out on the free HoS

[sweet flax]

If anything sw is next in line

[lyric anvil]

They choose whatever they want to add

[shadow gyro]

do note that outfits don't impact your performance but they're nice for looks and collection
may i ask if you used a trial HoT for this?
or did you actually buy her outfit from the shop?
not that this really matters but yeah

[quick birch]

SW and PE are the only ones released befor her that arent farmable so it shouldnt take her too long yeah

[storm lantern]

imagine they stop adding to wt because of bp changes

horrible thought

[narrow coyote]

What is trail HoT and yes i brought outfit from the shop

[quick birch]

1 year for an outdated valk an f2ps dream

[sweet flax]

It costs $0 to not let hoyo read this shit

[storm lantern]

[shadow gyro]

wasn't there a free aponia in 7.3 or something
from a shop or something
ik bc i remember getting her outfit but not her

[storm lantern]

spending event iirc

[amber finch]

spending event ye

[sweet flax]

Thank God no one spammed apo dkey soon back then

Horb copers learn

[lyric anvil]

[quick birch]

we aint coping we are

[shadow gyro]

i mean they saw that hohe copers won

[sweet flax]

As a horb coper, you can never catch me coping.... in beginner help

[quick birch]

[storm lantern]

surely they release something besides just the new s ranks

[shadow gyro]

there's a trial HoT (the mei in ur pic) with that outfit
that u can only use in the story and few game modes

i suggest checking the glossary for abbreviations about this game that u don't know (pins)

[amber finch]

luna copers

[sweet flax]

We already determined they're mentally deficient and beyond saving

Luna copers will be remembered not for their preservation

[amber finch]

hey

[lunar dew]

wish me luck

does it matter which one i get or?

[naive pivot]

not really

[shadow gyro]

check the dkey pin but it doesn't really matter BC you'll eventually get all

[naive pivot]

what's your most used DPS

[lunar dew]

right now its Coralie and TA but they already have weapons for them

[naive pivot]

get the guns and the greatsword first then to unlock the fire damage buff gene limit buff

[lunar dew]

okay!

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-laughing-gif-13031147940704744720

Anyways time to work on the dorito

[naive pivot]

the what

[sweet flax]

yes

[heady relic]

[covert delta]

what do i do with my universal mirage tickets once i have sakura cross and oath of judah do i just farm a random f6 stage for ether fuel

[thick bolt]

yeah it doesn't matter after you've gotten the two though you could base the stage on the other things in the mirage farming list. While not used as much especially if you aren't interested in malding MA at least you'll have a crafting stock saved up.

Other option is farming sets for valks you like or to salvage for reso to get things you want from exchange.

But for all intents and purposes you're done with the important stuff

[odd plume]

farm mirage for affix device is also an option

[prisma oyster]

are the beginners dont need to pull valk until later cuz by the time they actually need to use the valk it would be out of meta advice still valid?

[spice mist]

should i invest in the beginner banner or wait for sushang new battlesuit?

[thick bolt]

you get to lvl 80 in like a month, it's more so waiting for when you can guarantee a new debut banner

[quick birch]

Wait for sushang

[thick bolt]

wait for sushang, sena not worth the backpull

!faq backpull

[small willow]

What is 'Backpulling'?

Captain! Ai-chan can help!

'Backpulling' refers to pulling a Valkyrie or her equipment (or both!) on a rerun instead of on her release.

For more information on why this is considered damaging to an account for Captains who want to pursue meta in the game, click [here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[quick birch]

One day I will have faq privileges until then I may suffer

[spice mist]

thankissss

[thick bolt]

adding to this, pre lvl 80 all content is pretty easy so you don't really need to urgently pull a sub optimal banner just because you'll "suffer" without a gacha valkyrie

therefore waiting for a recommended banner it is

a list of starter and budget teams #👶beginner-help message

[thick bolt]

[ancient needle]

That's not necessarily true
If there is a brand new valk when you start she's worth getting in most cases

A new patch will come in 5 days, and the valk there is worth getting

(with the weap)

[quick birch]

Atp if you started an account at the beginning of the patch you could get to superstring dimension within the debut valks banner and still experience a bit if shill not even considering the shill in the next few patches

Even if you couldn't the valk would be worth it most of the time

[safe laurel]

can i turn into next path material on next version?

[quick birch]

No

We will have a vintage shop and you can exchange some of the new balls into the old ones but not the other way around

[safe laurel]

do u know what amount is max ftp per 3 patches?

[ancient needle]

You get 5 per patch

[safe laurel]

ty, so it possible to get weapon

[thorn ember]

I don't understand what's the problem with backpulling is. I can get a walk and then her weapon on reruns (same 60 pity)

I've been listening to this "backpulling evil" and missed out on so many good valks. This rule is bad who came up with it

[ancient needle]

BP is getting changed in 8.2+, you won't be able to get weaps for P2 valks there cuz they cost 20

[safe laurel]

older valks are worse/weaker than new ones most of the time if i am not wrong

[quick birch]

Technically yes but there are some useful things in the new BP depending on the weapon you want to buy I may advise you to just leave it alone, in the new BP it's not possible

[ancient needle]

A newer valk will last longer on average, and by pulling one on a rerun you miss like 1/3-1/2 of her shill

[safe laurel]

oh, so skip as always

[ancient needle]

There are exceptions ofc
For example, Vita was recommended to get in 7.9 cuz she was that good

[safe laurel]

can i get in there 3 sprout thingy or 2 was limit?

[ancient needle]

And Sparkle was considered a skip with what we knew

[ancient needle]

Can you specify which valks you consider "good"?

Cuz most of them have glaring issues that will make us unable to recommend them

[ancient needle]

For example, Vita's not recommended atp cuz she won't be able to properly support the unknown AR type (which is expected to come out in 8.3 considering we alr got 4 supports for it)

[quick birch]

You can exchange 10 of the new balls into the current crystallum

Although as I said depending on the weapon you want to buy it may not be a wise choice

[ancient needle]

Yes, but as F2P you can only gain 5 until the shop goes away

[quick birch]

The only one that I can recommend is 7t

[safe laurel]

i would like to get 7t because it is divine key

[ancient needle]

The same goes for Sparkle and Songque

[quick birch]

Yeah that's the situation where I think it's fine to do that, we just don't know when 7t will appear again in the future

[ancient needle]

Another issue is that by backpulling you sacrifice your future funds, you might not be able to afford smth else brand new

[safe laurel]

i think about farming for hot stigma since i dont farm anything specific there

[quick birch]

Any specific reason you want to farm her stigmatas ?
Otherwise you can also just save your mats or if you are interested in MA farm Stigmatas that might be useful there. Either way just keep 1800 ether fuel in the tank in case you might have to craft a whole p2 set

[ancient needle]

Btw, keep in mind that HoT uses Handel, not Benares

[thick bolt]

without weapon you're basically pulling for the trial version of a valk and then sacrificing the funds to get a full new valk to turn this valk from trial to full valk after her shill period

why suffer when you could just be pulling full valk from the start

[amber finch]

you are the prime target for the backpulling bad rule fr

[odd plume]

they just drop a cmt and dip smh

[ancient needle]

Oh, looks like I misunderstood the post a bit

[thick bolt]

did I miss something?

[ancient needle]

I understood the question as "why backpulling bad"
You understood it as "why not get weap later", which is probs the correct interpretation

[quick birch]

General input on backpulling is still useful imo but yeah the message was more about the weapon

[thick bolt]

Oh lol

[amber finch]

owh i read it as backpulling bad too

[ancient needle]

[amber finch]

prob got intimidated or smt

or they could just be annoyed

probs annoyed actually

[ancient needle]

Defo annoyed

Which is understandable

[frozen crypt]

[amber finch]

nice emote btw lyo

[amber finch]

needed somewhere to vent and just chose beginner help lmao

[thick bolt]

Eh not that it is a that bad a strat but then when you have multiple ungeared valks who's weapon do you get first

and then comes the situation on deciding between getting a new valk since you can get her weapon later or get the weapon for a valk you did the same thing on before

[ancient needle]

I mean, where else considering we're the ones spreading that rule

[amber finch]

eh true

[frozen crypt]

Its annoying to get told no so harshly yeah but the game is equally harsh to people who backpull so

[amber finch]

playing dudu is seriously making me consider getting teriop

[frozen crypt]

Damn

[amber finch]

the double loa thingy is so fucking good

and dudu keeps missing her crits

[frozen crypt]

Its pretty nice but stellar shift aint even timestop I feel like I do shift and my timer reduces by like 5 seconds lol

Is it even a sus ani or anything?

[ancient needle]

Yes

Actually nvm, it depends

[frozen crypt]

Lol okay

[ancient needle]

Vita's isn't iirc

[frozen crypt]

It just doesn't feel like it xd

Ofc vita isn't, slow ass mf valk

[amber finch]

fuck vita’s stellar shift

[ancient needle]

And Songque's, but it has TF at least

[amber finch]

eats a shit ton of points

[ancient needle]

No clue about Sparkle
RS and Badum defo are

[frozen crypt]

Support vita in general just eats points for breakfast

[amber finch]

i scammed myself so hard

[ancient needle]

And is very short

[frozen crypt]

Wish you could turn stellar shift off for que and sparkle, they feel so useless lol

[amber finch]

imma go take a shower

[frozen crypt]

Byebye stinky

[ancient needle]

ok

[amber finch]

hey que deals a pretty decent chunk of dmg

[frozen crypt]

She can do that outside of stellar shift tho

[amber finch]

https://tenor.com/view/sniff-sniff-test-cat-stinky-gif-17061628113489721661

[frozen crypt]

Feels like I do less damage in shift than without

[quick birch]

No fish skip with stellar shift

[ancient needle]

Fr

[amber finch]

do i go out for a drink or stay in hmghe

[frozen crypt]

I've never even done fish skip I'm too lazy

[ancient needle]

Trueing

[amber finch]

never bothered to learn what it is

[ancient needle]

Gotta stay ethical

[quick birch]

~~ I don't even own songque~~

[ancient needle]

Essentially you can skip right to the end of Songque's CA's animation if you swap afterwards

You skip the fish lantern in the beginning of it

[frozen crypt]

[desert shadow]

Why not both

[amber finch]

bc i try to limit my spending smh

4-5 dollers a day

actually 4 doller a day, my currency is weak rn

[ancient needle]

Just put some water in the fridge leh

[amber finch]

i hab it

[ancient needle]

Or maybe even do the US special: ice water

[amber finch]

i hab it

[desert shadow]

Ice cube soup

[ancient needle]

[amber finch]

i just want to drink te kool drink that the cafe near me sells

[round pebble]

I absolutely have 0 fucking clue how the make a wish game actually works. How the hell do u actually score points in battle???

[slim blaze]

Defeat more enemies

[round pebble]

Im stuck on this damn stage where st. Freya valkyrie are limited to Kiana and Mei, and I cant win

[odd plume]

just pick other lineup that dont include removed unit

[round pebble]

I've done that, I've failed 3 times now

Its getting awfully frustrating

Trying to rush this

[odd plume]

youtube should have ref for that

[round pebble]

The things I do for scraps

Getting genshin fishing achievement ptsd

[odd plume]

https://youtu.be/BkZU4PxH1DA?si=WQ15v2cR-L98mNGY

[round pebble]

I went full anti-entropy

It worked, but was scary

God I fucking hate this event

U shouldn't have to look to guides to do shit like this

[desert shadow]

Think I went for elites and had no issues at all

[round pebble]

Im stuck on the honkai stage now where beasts get 20x their max hp after round 6

[odd plume]

skill iss...

[round pebble]

Not gonna refute this, just a lot of different elements working against me: nothing ever goes my way

Hate this shit either way and am only suffering through it cus I got too much time to spare and want to get the rewards before it disappears

[quick birch]

the team you get at the begining should get you to round 5 focus on leveling before that, after that just spam honkai beasts

[round pebble]

wat

[quick birch]

you get a team at the beginning and that one should have no problem until like stage 5, focus on leveling while that team is still enough after that get as many chibis for your honkai beast team

[round pebble]

What am I supposed to level exactly??

What the fuck why is this working

[sweet flax]

mango, the dorito is complete

[quick birch]

holy shit peak has been created

[sweet flax]

idk I feel like its missing something but idk

want me to send it in DMs and get a second opinion?

[quick birch]

sure

[quick birch]

prosperity chest level

[round pebble]

It was working until it didnt

I have no fucking idea

What im doing

Fml man, what the hell

[ancient needle]

Mango is overcomplicating
Just go all in with Honkai Disaster team

[round pebble]

No idea what all out even mean, nor do I have any fucking idea what I did different but it worked...?

Fml

[odd plume]

just means get all units of that lineup and some item that support the lineup

[round pebble]

Yeah but I've done that repeatedly, why did the last one work but not the first?

I barely did anything differently

[odd plume]

item diff, rank diff, getting order

etc.

[round pebble]

Yuck

[slim blaze]

The real meta team is to just go all in with kevin! One shots + money ka ching ka.chow!!

[round pebble]

What exactly progresses the % in the make a wish event? im at 52% rn and have 4 stages left to clear, I dont think that adds up, pls tell me I wont have to do the multiplayer part of this...

[amber finch]

yes you have to do it

[round pebble]

Its limited daily tho?

Am I screwed? I havent played any of the event til now

[sweet flax]

well depends which rewards you want

probs could kiss goodbye to your chances of skin/affix though I dont really remember how many points you get

[round pebble]

I cant get the 100%, can I?

[quick birch]

you should it doesnt require that many dailies iirc

[round pebble]

God thats so fucking stupid

Theres like 2 days left

[sweet flax]

4 days of dailies left tho

oh nvm not even

[round pebble]

I got 1560 of that shit

[quick birch]

okay maybe cooked

[round pebble]

Fml

[sweet flax]

did you do all zenith stages and story stages?

[round pebble]

Almost so

[sweet flax]

how many more points can you get from them

[round pebble]

160x4 + whatever many daily multiplayer gives

[sweet flax]

2200 points total then without multiplayer

assuming the multiplayer amount hasnt changed, then 2600 total

@ 200 event currency x 2 days

[round pebble]

Im fucked

Great, lovely.

Hate hi3 events

[hot wyvern]

But you have almost two months to do it

[sweet flax]

well its kind of your own fault leaving it till the last day, we all finished it in the first week

[quick birch]

the event is here 3 days and 12 hours though so today Monday Thursday Wednesday should still be enough

200 dailie x 4 = 800

[sweet flax]

2800 points, 3000 assuming you do it in the time frame

isnt that enough for affixes?

[quick birch]

max is 3000

[round pebble]

No time limited content should be gatekept by daily limitation that is so fucking restarded

In any game ever

[sweet flax]

well again, that daily limitation was good for us back then because there were 3 different events to keep up with not including the captainverse one

[quick birch]

also its only 4 days and you had 9 weeks for it

kinda on your end tbh

[sweet flax]

^

[round pebble]

Yeah i fucking know

[sweet flax]

just do the events on day 1

[slim blaze]

kekw

[quick birch]

and affix rerolls arent that important for most of the player so i do think its not that bad atleast they let you speedrun to get coralie skin

[round pebble]

When the event presents itself so fucking boring, then I cant help it. I push every single boring thing that I "have to do" til the deadline day. Bad habit from my school days I guess.

[slim blaze]

as with everything in this game, anything is optional

[sweet flax]

well you dont "have to do" events, they are there for bonus rewards and are in no way your main source of income, not even close to competing with a single week of abyss and er runs

[slim blaze]

you COULD opt not to do events lol

[round pebble]

I always did my assignments and homeworks the night before lol

[slim blaze]

skill issue

[sweet flax]

student moment ig

[round pebble]

To be fair Hi3 event rewards aside from skins are dogshit. I guess im just a bit desperate cus this patch was particularly expensive for me, getting a bunch of new things. I dont even have 20k crystals for Sushang and lm highkey concerned bout my chances

[slim blaze]

maybe ill stop at 25k pts

[sweet flax]

calling pri-arm mats dog shit in this economy is wild

and source prisms

[round pebble]

Casual player here, to be fair

And the work is usuallt not worth it for me

[sweet flax]

eh fair enough

[quick birch]

who needs that shit ( for all the lurkers that shit can be bottlenecking do not just throw it out of the window )

[sweet flax]

I wish I can refund von neumann

[quick birch]

you better hope you get some copies on sus banner

[sweet flax]

what banner

[quick birch]

okay nvm 💀

[sweet flax]

I either get her on discount, or I dont

[wanton canopy]

[sweet flax]

my account can suffer through bleed for the 3rd time in a row

it will be fine

[quick birch]

i can afford PS and 8.3 with BP and monthly

9 week patch goated

[sweet flax]

🐳

[quick birch]

smh ur the whale here

[sweet flax]

nuh uh

[quick birch]

yuh uh

[sweet flax]

you have no proof

[round pebble]

damn, leave some of the ocean for the rest of us

[quick birch]

#👶beginner-help message what this

[round pebble]

btw, sushang was gonna be phys dps right?

[sweet flax]

you know I thought you were gonna get the picture I sent of my top up total

this is fine

[quick birch]

never even saw that LMAO

[quick birch]

phys bleed yes

[sweet flax]

well no point in looking for it the amount is much higher now LOL

[quick birch]

[sweet flax]

bio physical bleed dps yes

[round pebble]

hmmmm I hope she will be enough to stabilize my weekly rotations for me, a bit too many of those screw me over due to my lack of phys dps, let alone bleed

I wanna stay in redlotus if I can

[sweet flax]

eh she'll be a decent unit to pick up

[wanton canopy]

I mean bleed ain't really that necessary just to make your life easier IG

[sweet flax]

anyways, see the rest of you back at a3 for the first half of patch

[round pebble]

bro I have 0 idea what im doing in this game, I dont read abilities, I just go

[quick birch]

gacha player = cant read

[round pebble]

ong

[sweet flax]

you are a gacha player, ofc you dont read, you just gotta click buttons until it looks cool and does damage

[round pebble]

hell yeah

lord knows I love big numbers

[wanton canopy]

Cuzz half of description is in demon tongue ngl

[round pebble]

but hi3 rly makes it weirder cus I dont pay attention to numbers, I just look at the funni healthbar

[sweet flax]

wtf is an optomized rotation taking advantage of full buff uptimes and proper dps combos/matchups

[sweet flax]

welcome to translated poorly from cn

[desert raptor]

not sure if this is the right channel to ask this, but just to be sure, last pull in current hohe gacha outfit costs 1920 crystals right?

[quick birch]

i also do fish skips i just dont switch to sonque at all

[sweet flax]

uhhh ill double check but that seems 100 crystals off

[quick birch]

its 1920 yes 240 x 8 because of discount

normally its x10

[sweet flax]

oh no you are right

[round pebble]

aight just to make this clear, how much do I have to do multiplayer in the event for me to get the coralie skin? might as well if I can

[quick birch]

like 1 round

nothing crazy

[round pebble]

huh...

[sweet flax]

just do the event and find out

[wanton canopy]

Is it the chibi things? Then just do all the Zen+stages

[desert raptor]

alright cool I can get it tomorrow then, thank you guys

[round pebble]

nuh uh

[sweet flax]

yuh uh

[round pebble]

still gotta do the other event for the funni crack crystals

[spark nexus]

Which valk V2 that should i prioritizing to do some dmg in abyss agony 2-3(they are difficult as diamond to hit than part 1 valks)

[sweet flax]

just ignore captainverse if you havent done that, waste of time for less than a pull

[round pebble]

captainverse?

[thick bolt]

the skin box is nice, red ticket skins or the red ticket

[round pebble]

oh skin box, idc bout that

[quick birch]

for this boss you can use dudu/fws/sparkle

[round pebble]

idc bout skins of characters I wont play

[sweet flax]

well in the current abyss you can use rs as the dps since she has built in stun for the weather

[slim blaze]

BEHOLD

[wanton canopy]

Seems fine enough to retain RL with that lineup usually go for dudu/fws + vita + sparkle

[quick birch]

otherwise you have some solid other options depening on the boss

actually you have some goated teams here

[slim blaze]

sadly i didnt get to S rank vita and eden

[sweet flax]

vita and eden a rank, shame on you

[slim blaze]

hey i ran out of time rerolling

[sweet flax]

boooo

abyss slaccer is also a chibi event slaccer

[wanton canopy]

Now do a build where you get All yellow/golden chibis

[spark nexus]

i have their stigmas(from craft ofc) but only at lv 35

and only ely HoO as part 2 weapon that i have

did v2 weapons really change much?

[wanton canopy]

[sweet flax]

. . .you only have hohe weapon from every p2 unit?

[celest shard]

Yes

[slim blaze]

this was my best try yet

perilous invitation supremacy

[spark nexus]

yea

also none of astral OPs

[quick birch]

well

[slim blaze]

every round = wishing card

[sweet flax]

astral ops dont matter, that's whale shit right there

but no weapons and you wonder why they dont do dmg

[quick birch]

always get wep+valk in the future this is the bare minimum here

[sweet flax]

p2 units have kit locks and like 30-40% of their dps locked behind weapons

[slim blaze]

yikes

dogpile some more

[quick birch]

if every valk there would have their weapon this roster sounds like an ez RL retain, dont bother getting them at this point though

[spark nexus]

so based on my v2 valks

which one should i prioritized to get their wp first??

[wanton canopy]

How much crystals you have?

[spark nexus]

5k

[slim blaze]

ew

just save for next valk atp

[sweet flax]

none of them, save your crystals for 8.3 then get 8.3 valk + her weapon

[wanton canopy]

Might be better to get next valk+weap but i do remember dudu having rerun next patch?

[spark nexus]

8.3 who?

[quick birch]

we dont know

[spark nexus]

leylah?

[quick birch]

nah way too early

[spark nexus]

another spending on 8.3?

[wanton canopy]

Just speculations nothing concrete yet

[slim blaze]

also agony 2-3 should be doable even with no weapons i presume

[quick birch]

we dont know shit whats going on in 8.3

[slim blaze]

wait

[quick birch]

CN will get the valk teaser in ~2 weeks

[spark nexus]

cz i heard that every version right now is like 2 months lol

[slim blaze]

if no weapons = no stigmata as well? i assume u didnt roll

[round pebble]

What was captainverse?

[slim blaze]

and i assume u didnt craft

[quick birch]

they did mention they crafted the stigmatas

[slim blaze]

oh

[wanton canopy]

If there Luna = captainverse otherwise idk

[spark nexus]

v2 weapon gacha system really hurts man

that ely weapon cost me 58 pity

[quick birch]

not evening mentioning utilitly or some valks gameplay being bricked without it

[round pebble]

"Blood moon fades" event?

[wanton canopy]

Yes

[slim blaze]

captainverse is a long series of events

[quick birch]

p2 gacha is half the cost of p1 gacha the trade of being that you now roll weapon

[slim blaze]

if you want to know more check #📚honkai-lore

it's not just luna, there's also kongming, delta, technically asuka

[round pebble]

Im on a tragic 18k crystals in time for Sushang

[spark nexus]

p1 wps usually come within 10 or less and do their job rather than 3 stigmas

just like my HoRB with her weapons and shattered sword set

[wanton canopy]

Hmmmmm might be a skip then if you don't get on discounted or don't have tons of those supply cards

[quick birch]

actual goated faq wtf

[round pebble]

5 character, 16 equip, basically no pity

[wanton canopy]

I actually don't want to suffer not having enough prisms cuzz of weapon too common

[round pebble]

Id probably be in a better seat if i didnt go for the damn Vita skin

[spark nexus]

2% holy sh-

[wanton canopy]

I did go for hohe skin as always our fate is seal to skipping 1 patch

[slim blaze]

yeah it's so much better than p1 now

p2 stigs are craftable

[round pebble]

The eldritch Gundam was a bit too hot

[spark nexus]

i guess i just wait for p2 valks weps are available on BP

[slim blaze]

you get one stigmata box (for the current valk) free every patch

[spark nexus]

especially sena

[quick birch]

sena is the one who needs her weapon the least in your roster tbf

[wanton canopy]

||get that 0.7%/1.4%boosted rate 90 pity 50/50 gacha from other games||

[spark nexus]

give methe list

[slim blaze]

actually the best thing is no more offrates

and teams are relatively more flexible

[quick birch]

if you are not buying BP just forget their weapons || new BP system in 8.2||

[spark nexus]

god, they bring another paywall

[slim blaze]

errr

[wanton canopy]

||Is it going to lock even then free ones? Like how 7t is free from just enough balls?||

[slim blaze]

not really a paywall

[quick birch]

||we dont know how p1 units weapons will be in the new BP system besides the new store, gotta have to wait until luna is there ||

[slim blaze]

also there's not really "paywall" in this game

[spark nexus]

7t is already old Dk iirc

kinda funny if they bring brick on Bp

[slim blaze]

everything fully achievable f2p

just dont get your hopes up for T1-50 in the server or smth

[wanton canopy]

||ight praying it's just an easier/revamp ui version of BP and not a paywall for those dkeys||

[spark nexus]

not really aiming for that

i just feel weird that without p2 valks and weps it's really difficult to maintain agony 3 even agony 2 like i ussually do on 2023 with p1 valks + weapons and "low effort stigmas"

[quick birch]

|| well we got many free dkeys through the new BP system, at this point its more reasonable to add them into that shop rather then rerunning them in the BP||

[quick birch]

weapons kinda always have been mandatory just stigs are free now i dont see the problem

[wanton canopy]

You might just be mistaking the disturbance not the bis/signature equipment

Idk I'm not sure how huge the jump was on the disturbance

[slim blaze]

let us also consider the other factor.
SKILL ISS...

or maybe a rotation issue in general

i struggle to believe that A2 is hard to retain

[round pebble]

Event says 3 days, 11 h, dont that mean I can still get the 3000 boxes I need for 100% clear?

[slim blaze]

i agree that there's a jump from a2 to a3

[quick birch]

just keep in mind that weapons are mandatory in the future, cant fix the mistakes of the past but can prevent them from happening again

[quick birch]

yes

[slim blaze]

maybe

[round pebble]

Good lord, theres a chance

[slim blaze]

that technically means 4 dailies

[round pebble]

Aight im fucking on it

[wanton canopy]

They said they retaining A2 but not A3 so maybe disturbance shock

Like from 400ish to 470ish jump

But seeing as how they have hohe dkey then atleast it manageable with hohe + thelema + vita/Sena bruteforce

And i believe that only needs investment on hohe as dps (albeit it's kinda mediocre/only shines on their own shill weather). Then just stigs for the support

[ancient needle]

Well, sig stigs are as important as weaps in both P1 and P2

In SEA it makes sense that you're struggling

[slim blaze]

it's sink or swim in the SEA!

[spark nexus]

it's also bcz of disturbance and boss new mech

[ancient needle]

Yes, P1 valks are quite old in general

[slim blaze]

flying fish is old~~

[ancient needle]

And ye, this boss came out in 7.0

[slim blaze]

brick weather

[ancient needle]

It always was ass to bruteforce without Brick (or Dudu nowadays)

[haughty elbow]

3rd support ta was one of the moments of all time

[vague lily]

With the Armada (guild) Commissions, should I need to reach the cap on donations even if it drains my materials to very little amounts or is it fine if it doesn't reach max?

[frozen crypt]

its not that important, don't give away something you're short of

[neon mesa]

i know this is very outdated but, what is better for TWILIGHT PALADIN, KAFKA set or ELYSIA set?

[vital hearth]

Whats mini dudu best team usually?

[frozen crypt]

@spiral badge

I think elysia TB Poe M but Sai plays TP more than I do

if its a single target Columbus M is ok instead

[slim blaze]

holy cow TP gami g

[frozen crypt]

I think its something like:
1 - Elysia TB Poe/Columbus M
2 - Kafka TM Elysia B
3 - Full Kafka (Full Kafka was only needed pre HoRB due to crit rate problems)

[hasty bobcat]

Okay wait guys I’ve played hi3 for 40 days now and I’m kinda bored of it, but I’m worried about deleting the app bc I’ll lose the rest of the beginner rewards but I wanna play wuwa

[quick birch]

well we cant really help you with that since that is something you have to decide yourself, just keep in mind that hi3 is a game that punishes long breaks harder than other game, you can definitly recover it will just take some time

[frozen crypt]

There's no sugarcoated way to put it really, this game punishes people hard for playing inconsistently. If you quit now then coming back on your current account probably won't be enjoyable either unless you have lots of crystals saved so you can just return and pull the newest stuff

[quick birch]

depending on the breaks lenght we might even recommend starting a new acc when you want to return

[hasty bobcat]

Should I just make a new account (if I ever get back into it ) or just play for the rest of the 40 days and then if I want to come back to that account

[ivory monolith]

That's why I started a new account bc of my cursed and old 2023 acc

[frozen crypt]

it depends how long you think you will be gone for and if you think you can save a large sum of crystals

because honestly if you finish the beginner rewards and sit on 40k crystals that will prevent the need to start a brand new acc UNLESS they make any wild changes in the time you are gone

[round pebble]

The dream sequence event, is it time gated or can I rush it like tomorrow?

[ancient needle]

Depends on the boss strictly speaking, but generally it's Songque Badum/Sparkle

If we're talking Dudu DPS that is

In 8.2 it could change to Songque Sushang

[thin flicker]

I just downloaded hi3! does anyone have an invite code i can use?

[slim blaze]

well hello there

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-gif-5677380953331354485

[slim blaze]

#invite-links-here message

thus i disappear once more

[dire bloom]

Is there a good guide for Teambuilding recently for Honkai?
I'm currently using Marisa's 7.7 since it seems solid. Also looking through these so you can't say I didn't check the pins.

My teams are pretty budget/not many banner valks, so a guide that focuses on team building might be more useful for me.

[dry python]

Arty_wokege

[dire bloom]

If Marisa's 7.7 guide is the best we got (see https://www.hoyolab.com/article/32946385 ) then I'll just use that.

[dire bloom]

I'm so sorry for pinging you. You can go back to sleep.

[dry python]

#💁gameplay-help message

[dire bloom]

So I've graduated from beginner help? I DON'T FEEL READY.

Thanks.

[slim blaze]

who hurt you? but yes thank you for checking the pins lol

[calm kernel]

you can never leave beginner help

[low kestrel]

Help!!! i need help!!!

😭

[quick birch]

Well what valks do you have maybe you have a better team than the one you are currently using

[dry python]

What no I linked you to a message dude

[thick bolt]

good joke. Once you enter beginner help it's eternal

[quick birch]

maybe try fws/jds/hohe and see what score you get, otherwise feel free to send a recording of your rotation and maybe we can give you some advice on how to improve that

[low kestrel]

but all the recomendations are psy charaters

[quick birch]

thats because stun is something used in phys teams, you dont have any good p2 stun chars ( only dudu has stun in p2 atm ) so brute forcing with something else maybe is an option
btw how is your HoRb, TA and HoS gear looking

[low kestrel]

horb 3/4 TA 0/4 and hos 0/4 too

[quick birch]

also be aware that psy is a type in hi3 so if you want to shorten physical, phys is more common otherwise it can cause some misunderstandings

[quick birch]

yeah try out fws then and see how it works

[dry python]

Phys also actually makes sense it's spelt physical not phsyical

[quick birch]

yeah that too

[low kestrel]

@quick birchlmao i died

[quick birch]

maybe its an rotation issue mind explaining/recording your rot ?

[low kestrel]

i need to record?

[quick birch]

you dont need to its just that seeing what a person is actually doing is easier to correct than doing that through explanations on what the person is doing at least thats the case for me

you can also try to explain your rotation if you dont want to record to and i will try my best to help you

[low kestrel]

i'm just doing the basic
QTE > QTE > use dps to do dmg

[quick birch]

what excactly are you doing on HoHe and JDS, while JDSs buffs come from her QTE HoHe still wants to hit the enemy with her WA

[low kestrel]

i will record a little wait

@quick birch

[quick birch]

1. the BA part on HoHe isnt really necessary you can just qte-> WA -> next char, for sonques rot it also isnt necesarry to do her CA since her buffs are activated through her qte you can still do it for some extra dmg just try a bit and see what works better. ( this would change on SD bosses since her CA has another use there but that is something we can discuss once the next SD boss is here)
2. you can also counter the tail by attacking it with meele attacks and already start your roation, smth like fws CA -> songque qte -> Hohe WA -> back to fws and attack the tail if it still is there just make sure to deflect/evade its attacks.
3. at 0:55 you performed another fws sequence, instead you would want to refresh your buffs from HoHe and jds and qte back to fws after that since she gains a buff which boosts her fortune regen through her QTE.
4. Just to make you aware of the normal fws rotation it is qte -> BA sequence -> WA ( this can be cancled with your ult just pay attention to the fortune bar and ult once it is full ) -> enhanced qte

[quick birch]

if you still have any question about what i explained to you in the message above feel free to ask otherwise i hope this will make you retain

[low kestrel]

okay

[low kestrel]

thanks! ❤️

[quick birch]

np if you have any question in future feel free to ask them here

[spiral badge]

keep in mind Ely TB PoeM/ColumbusM loses alot of crit rate and this is compensated by HoRb support guaranteeing your crits

[neon mesa]

ok!

[vapid oxide]

which one should i get? im new

[quick birch]

Check the first pin

[vapid oxide]

so none of them is good

what team should i use then for my early game

[vapid oxide]

where should i wish

[quick birch]

Currently just keep your crystals and wait until the new version goes live ( 24th of April ), when it's live Sushang + her weapon is your goal

[vapid oxide]

thanks

so for now i just use herscher of void or whatever i thing i spelled it wrong

[quick birch]

yeah she's pretty nice for early game

[frozen crypt]

[sullen zenith]

Heya, i have a bunch of boxes but i don't really know which option is the best.
I have 2 stigmata boxes:
-Kiana Sparkly Night T, Armful of Gifts M, Shower of Fortune B or Source Prism
-Solon T, M, B or Source Prism
4 types currency ones:
-Operation Terminal x1 or Spirit Jade x40. I have 2 of these boxes.
-Phase Shifter x1 or Spirit Jade x12. I have 12 of these boxes.
-Ancient Legacy x40 or Ancient Willpower x80. I have 2 of these boxes.
-Wafer Stabilizer x120, Ether Fuel x300, Einstein's Torus x35, SC Metal-H2 x120, Phase Shifter x50, Honkai Shard x2 or Operation Terminal x15

[quick birch]

you can just keep the boxes until you need one of the materials in it no need to rush

[thorn ember]

why "suffer" Literally if pulling full then you have one chance to pull a valk and never again. Wait till she becomes "non meta trash" and appears on dorm banner.
Literally pull the walk with a discount and then pull for weapon on reruns as it stays the same pity

[sullen zenith]

Gotcha

[quick birch]

suffer as in suffer while the valk is still weaponless

some valks gameplay is legit bricked without it

take JDS for example

[thick bolt]

Suffer because you will not have that valk to cover for the period where she'll be heavily shilled and instead have to resort to alternatives that many times will result in a demote

Like try doing bleed in bleed shill without a bleed valk

Can't make up for hundreds of point loss with the power of love

[sullen zenith]

Also, out of these valks, which one should i be using as a main DPS? Dunno which one does the more damage/will carry me further

[thick bolt]

HoV

easiest budget option to setup and will solo most of early story and content

[thick bolt]

start with the ryunosuke set as her stigmata then transition to marco polo set once you get it from starter manual (can craft attila as b piece since it's better than marco b)

for the weapon iirc they do give you the kallen pledge guns to use

[calm kernel]

valks depreciate in value over time

[tacit mist]

Is it worth backpulling for either of these because it's the only part 2 characters I don't have except sleepy teri. Or should I keep saving my 67k?

[quick birch]

67K ???

[thick bolt]

It's like stocks

on debut stocks rise from low to extremely high but as soon as shill period over it's straight drop

what you're suggesting is buy high sell low instead of buy low sell high

[tacit mist]

Yup

[quick birch]

none of these is worth backpulling but just now that you can afford A LOT of patches in the future

[calm kernel]

i have to say that is extremely bad analogy

[quick birch]

with the patches now being extended

[thick bolt]

I need a better analogy

[tacit mist]

Ok ok thank you 👍

[quick birch]

may i ask why you didnt pull fws with that crystal count

[sweet flax]

inb4 they pulled

[tacit mist]

Nah I did

[thorn ember]

that's literally what waiting for full 4/4 valk funds is.
I don't have funds for Sushang 4/4, so I'll have to suffer (as I don't have anyone beside Susannah). I'm sure with even weaponless Sushang it'll be easier

[quick birch]

i just cant read 😭

[thorn ember]

best way to pull is to never pull? Good point

[tacit mist]

Lol its all good

[quick birch]

thats not what he said just pull when you can guarantee weapon

[calm kernel]

yes if you cant afford on release then you should skip that valk and save for the next one

[quick birch]

^

[thorn ember]

but next valk will demote in value too 🥺

so why pull for her too?

[calm kernel]

because you are getting the full value by pulling on release

[thorn ember]

So why is pulling for new valk without the weapon is bad?

[calm kernel]

because the valk is essentially crippled without their weapon

might as well have no valk at all

[quick birch]

by the time you can actually use her their value has already decreased and the new valk will have a better value

[thorn ember]

Yeah so best way is to never pull

[calm kernel]

that is the best way to keep the value of your xtals but what else are you going to do with them

[quick birch]

were going in circles here we've already explained it to you multiple times, ik this may be frustrating to hear but your point is just wrong from a meta perspective. If you feel like this " backpull rule " is destroying your enjoyment of the game you may want to reconsider if you actually want to follow it, you just have to be aware of what the drawbacks might be

[thorn ember]

The back pull rule doesn't make sense to me

[thick bolt]

it'll be easier to A3 standards but when you have Sus dps runs and literally everyone else who's pulled her has the weapon I wish you luck

[sweet flax]

its not quite a rule, are you already familiar with the term shill?

[thick bolt]

even A3 recently has been filled with geared p2 teams

[thorn ember]

What's A3?

[thick bolt]

agony 3

[thorn ember]

ah right

[thick bolt]

Anyways, just do discounted and look from there, who knows a lucksack can change prios

[sweet flax]

its a pre-caution for non spending players to not waste their funds when that valk will either be:

1. no more BiS use cases, this applies to older valks
2. very weak or non-beneficial valks
3. valks who cant even be used to their full potential due to lacking the abyss weathers to perform better
4. valks with no capability of supporting future releases (such as sparkle)

[calm kernel]

8.2 rolls around and every week is gonna be a sushang boss initially someone who pulls sushang 5 weeks into the patch or in next patch will have missed all those bosses. so they are essentially getting less value out of their pull even though they paid the same price

[thorn ember]

I think I just need a break for like a month

or a year when Sena will be free

[sweet flax]

I mean..... technically next patch she will be

[thorn ember]

Anyway sorry for being frustrated again, thanks everyone for explaining this to me for nth time

[sweet flax]

if you spend a lil

[ancient needle]

Keep in mind that valks become free either when they wanna sell you smth (like a dkey) and/or when they're almost entirely out of meta

[sweet flax]

also dont be frustrated, everyone has their own pace and needs and cant be satisfied by the general solution

[thorn ember]

yeah
I wonder if Herrscher of Flamenson(?? First fire Kiana) could get a divine key? Like Kiana in general got a p2 version and Waxxing moon, but still

[ancient needle]

Nah, if they wanted to release a HoFs dkey they would've done that a long while ago

[sweet flax]

I heavily doubt it, psychic fire is already filled by lantern so there'd be no point

[thorn ember]

fair

[ancient needle]

Considering that HoFs is alr farmable them releasing a dkey for her will just be unhealthy from the competitive perspective

[ancient needle]

Cuz some peeps will have her at SSS while some will at only S0

[thorn ember]

Ooh yeah I guess that would very unfair

Also I wanted to ask about summoned entities

[sweet flax]

though to be fair...that didnt stop them from giving hohe a dkey with everyone's ss + free hohe (but ye, hohe wasnt farmable)

[thorn ember]

What are Mobious' summoned entities? Like her cross and the hands?

[ancient needle]

Cross yes, idk about the hands
You can check the kit to make sure, summons are always explicitly mentioned as such

[sweet flax]

the ult attacks? those arent summoned entities

[ancient needle]

The only exception that I know of is JST field

[sweet flax]

but pressing the ult itself is considered a summoned entity

aka creating genesis stacks

idk if her ult mode is considered a summoned entity (when she literally summons one)

[thorn ember]

So in Elysian realm she wouldn't need Mobius signets, right?

[sweet flax]

though this is the only place where it clarifies what's a summoned entity in her kit

[sweet flax]

actually its the opposite, in er she can summon the doll with her first combo which counts as a summoned entity as well

[thorn ember]

oh so that's where it comes from. I thought it was from her evasion for some reason

[spiral badge]

QTE also spawns object X but doesn't do so right away, so the first few hits of the QTE may miss some benefits related to summons on field

so mobi may opt to use a combo attack (ult tap) at the start of the fight before the boss spawns in (what asumara showed) to set it up ahead of time

[tidal crypt]

yall just checking, am at 8 till char and 30 till weap, even with monthly card and bp, is it feasible for me to get ||badum and thelema|| next patch? the first yes, idk if 2nd one tho

[tidal crypt]

wrong channel like, im not that beginner ish when it comes to avaliable currency but oh well, i might just keep this here

[quick birch]

use the calc to get a rough idea on what your income will be

[tidal crypt]

yeah, alr did, isnt looking that hot, 89 by the end of the 2nd one

[quick birch]

just be aware that you should not pull on || thele ascension supply || unless you can guarantee her + weapon ever imo, its also not really recommended to pick her up at this point

[tidal crypt]

ik, as per usual with p2 valks, and ik she's not that amazing but ely is crying in the corner with the lack of use

[spiral badge]

beginner or not is more of a mindset. I would say you're still a beginner if you don't know precisely at a detailed level how to optimize team building (ring types), and how to play teams (e.g. do you know what attacks you're doing are giving team buffs?) and if you can flexibly adjust that gameplay

maybe we should discuss your future rolling reasons more in detail

[tidal crypt]

i mean, fair, when i do somewhat dumb questions ish i usually send here, but i meant more in purely avaliable xtal sources ive exhausted most 1 time ones

[quick birch]

just pulling her for HoHe dps is not worth it in any world imo, her weathers are quit rare and dumping that amount of pulls just wont be beneficial in any way. If you are not really meta orientated its something you can consider just be aware of the drawbacks

[spiral badge]

mango already sent you the calculator. If you want something more precise you can check my pinned spreadsheet and maybe make a spreadsheet of your own to keep track of all the precise sources and amounts

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

and check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins for details on future events possibly

if i have to give a rough number every week at ex RL will give you 2k (without including paid monthly or bp, or events)

[tidal crypt]

true, ely prob had more this patch than she'll get in the future, probably best to save the extra pulls for songque weap (long story)

[spiral badge]

if you're really meta focused then i wouldn't recommend backpulls at all

[quick birch]

if you really want to use ely you can either wait for flux tank to rerun or use her in the new AR type once it comes out ( we have no idea how she will perform in it though )

[spiral badge]

you can still make use of weaponless jds already as a support for LoA leader teams to make the team cycle and get SD enemy gimmicks

so what are the further benefits beyond that? Personal damage and enabling her as a main dps with Wheel of Destiny.

• But her main dps use cases are very niche now
• personal damage as an LoA support is kinda notable but if you're not competing in nirvana then i think you can focus on getting something close with future releases (e.g. new sushang) that can also support LoA instead

[tidal crypt]

fair, kiana ill prob still backpull cuz i like her a lot, and badum is pretty fun for me (i have her on an alt), but thele... yea, prolly should skip

was considering songq weap backpull cuz i do get to nirv somewhat often (eu core) and being weapless has cost me a bit in the past, plus i want to play at least one wod team well geared (dont have any wod dps besides ely)

[spiral badge]

i suppose songque dps can stand out a bit more if you lack badum and even sena. But if you really want SD dps coverage i rather you wait at this point for a new one in the future than to backpull. For now at least you can try to use some LoA dps with JDS support to bruteforce.

[tidal crypt]

i do have sena, at least

[spiral badge]

maybe try to stick with sena then. Although the issue with her is that JDS doesn't fit on her dps teams

some SD enemies have critical points that are late in their hp bar which is meant to sell you on songque's unique ability to trigger them early

as for badum, she's quite recent but we are already past her main patch shill period. I do think you can appreciate her a decent deal with having ely and jds already to support her, and with your current awkwardness of your roster for SD coverage

but don't only consider badum alone. keep in mind resources are limited and there's opportunity costs and alternatives you're giving up

so in this case the main other alternative to consider will be the actual new release of the patch which is sushang

more info can be found in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion but the main thing i'm personally wary of is that she can bleed, something that heavily bothers current part 2 teams

bosses with bleed emphasis like vill-v or pishacha tend to stall you alot more if you cannot bleed

and current part 2 teams will go as far as slotting in bleed supports from part 1 to handle these fights

(e.g. vita with LV support. Normally vita highly emphasizes having 3/3 leader skill with two RoO supports 3 RoO valks on the team)

[tidal crypt]

i think thats prob cope enough for eu rl, not sure tho

[quick birch]

just one example for the critical point situation || guaymas just ran in CN and his critical point is rather late in his HP bar because of that sonques ability to trigger it immediately was insanely valuable to the point that t100 was only reached by SS1 sena dps and fws+sonque was used by others.|| just be aware that this is CN and a completly different situation than EU i think it just is a good example to how good that critical point trigger is to some extend. In EU it prob will work though

[ancient needle]

Do I give a nerd emoji statement here or not

[spiral badge]

well you can try to assess from the first few weathers that will shill her perhaps

feel free

i don't really mind nitpicks that add more to the current discussion

but i do think they should be avoided if they are digressive

or brought up later

[ancient needle]

That's the issue

I'll refrain

[spiral badge]

haha ok maybe later then

anyway if you understand all that and still want to focus on badum because she's more fun to you, i think that's a fair enough reason and fine to do overall

just try not to miss the early period of future valks' release patches

[ancient needle]

Yeah, Badum is definitely a solid pickup considering she's SD

And an above average LoA support while being able to support ???

[spiral badge]

both sushang and badum have that property but yeah good call i forgot to mention it

(where ??? refers to a future upcoming ring type)

[tidal crypt]

i think ill get badum then, ik im giving up a lot on not having a p2 bleed specialist but... kiana is prob my first not meta oriented pull in p2 (dont have the wod stuff cuz i wasnt playing during those patches), but i want kiana, just cuz

still, ty for the help, cuz i was genuinely thinking of opting between her and thele but.. well... yall are right, its way past her prime

[spiral badge]

keep in mind kiana won't be immediately available either. check the calendar in the cn pin for details

but by the time kiana rerun arrives maybe we'll get news of the upcoming valk too

[tidal crypt]

ik, and thank god cuz i dont have pulls for her rn

[spiral badge]

so make sure you budget and plan accordingly

don't make any final plans for now and stay on your toes

bleed will probably be niche overall. just a very painful one whenever it shows up (granted any skip will be painful in some way)

as for hitcount, other lesser options will exist for that (lantern, vita, to a lesser degree sena etc)

[ancient needle]

On VV you eat the -100 even in RL
HoS should be fine
Pishacha is hard to tell

Clock is hard to tell too

[spiral badge]

yeah i was trying to recall how lantern fared against slime hitcount

i want to say it was still pretty sad

[ancient needle]

Even if it's doable it's extremely tight

[spiral badge]

ah

[quick birch]

by the time badum reruns 8.3 info also should be out, even though its just the valk + her ring type and we wont know her actual combat performance maybe that will change your pulling decision since you like that valk a lot or some other personal reasons just keep up with #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins for that

[ancient needle]

You're better off just exploding it after it regens (it takes significantly more damage and you'll have SO up)

[spiral badge]

i know there's some high end videos with thele dps and SI support of all things (with zaychik TB) to handle bleed HoS abyss. But then i had friends in RL/Ag3 telling me it was better for them to ignore the bleed gimmick because their SI weren't as geared/ranked.

So that's one case of a more mild bleed scenario that may be bruteforced

[ancient needle]

ig Clock is on the milder side too

[spiral badge]

ofc sushang's existence will cause a greater gap there but maybe she won't be as popular of a pickup

[ancient needle]

idk how high Sushang scores there

[spiral badge]

at this point i feel we really ran a deep coverage and outlook on what to expect. Do you have any further concerns or need further explanations @tidal crypt ?

also what was the nitpick you mentioned earlier teammate? lol

[ancient needle]

You can get 3/3 leader skill without RoO teammates

[spiral badge]

oh can you? I don't recall this

[tidal crypt]

not rlly no 😅 this was wayyy more in depth than what i was expecting, i was mostly expecting badum vs thele, but tbf, yall did raise a few good points abt sushang

ill prob still keep the kiana plans tho

[ancient needle]

Omniscient Star counts for all leader skills and RoO counts all other AR types for its own leader skills

[quick birch]

its a 2 vita passive that want 3/3 RoO anyone with astral ring counts as a unit towards the leader skill

[spiral badge]

oh i see

oops~

[ancient needle]

It's in the leader branch tbf

Also there's 2 of them iirc

[spiral badge]

i think you should've called that out then for future reference. That's a pretty bad slip up on my part lol

but yeah thanks

[quick birch]

yeah one gives total and lightning dmg while the other one gives some breach and makes her ult hit harder

just for refrence lol

the numbers may be a bit off since im on beta rn and i unlocked SS vita there for some testing

[ancient needle]

Independent 40%

[quick birch]

her Stellar shift just eats up clock shield like its nothing although idk how others handle that shield but if they cant handle it that well the score difference will be rather big tbh

[ancient needle]

The shield is not very thick

Vita can deal with it

[quick birch]

true

[quick birch]

S0 is

• 37% lightning dmg ( independent)
• 18.5%/64.9% more total and lightning dmg

[quick birch]

is there an ~amount at which the shield is considered thick or is that also boss dependent

[left vale]

they really couldnt make it 65%

64.9% lmao

[quick birch]

gotta whale for the satisfying numbers

[ancient needle]

Is there an amount that differentiates a heap of sand from non-heap

[spiral badge]

i'll take it over DK's fake 5 sp regen (was technically 4.9 but rounded up iirc)

oh wait was it 4 vs 4.9 lol

eh this is a very fossil example but there's plenty of other similar examples in other hoyo games too

for some reason hoyo games don't code out to clean simple numbers and i rather they be more accurate and transparent than being pretty but wrong about it

[quick birch]

so its more like a smooth transition from non thick to thick and how it actually feels to play against it

[spiral badge]

anyway i think i'll hop off for now. gl beginner help

[ancient needle]

Pretty much

[solar drum]

is gustav or kallen hymn the BiS for CH

[frozen crypt]

Neither

Depends entirely on the situation

For SS MA she usually ends up running glut mei newt or paga tm newt

Kallen hymn I believe is her signature but gustav was BiS for a while, not anymore tho.

Is there any more context you can provide?

[solar drum]

perhaps for impair or support use

[frozen crypt]

Where and why

HoS is farmable

[solar drum]

i just play to use her for open world task shenanigans

and to support BKE

[frozen crypt]

She's not gonna support BKE

Her impair doesn't last long enough and even if it does with ult, she has sp problems even with leit

I wouldn't recommend crafting anything for her but is there anything you own already that you could use?

[solar drum]

i mean i already own carole so that probably benefits BKE anyways

maybe smol griseo supports BKE?

[spiral badge]

heez can you be more specific with your goals? I know you tend to focus on older valks and gears

if you can be more precise with what you're looking for then maybe we can arrive at a concrete answer

[spiral badge]

she can but do you know how?

[solar drum]

put the cross and switch out

[spiral badge]

alot of these questions feels like they are being asked because you don't understand how these valks work. What buffs do they give and how long?

hm yeah that's wrong lol

[solar drum]

[spiral badge]

SI actually doesn't care about putting down her cross unless the cross itself wants to be used that way

and if it's not her signature you might be messing yourself up doing that because a cross drop can cost sp

but SI's sp is very valuable for extended fights

[frozen crypt]

What are you trying to do? Have a good BKE team or do you want to use specific old valks?

[spiral badge]

even at S rank with her increased sp regen from her combo attack, or with teammates, she can't restore enough to sustain herself

[solar drum]

just playing around with team builds for open world

[spiral badge]

anyway without gears, the only way SI really buffs teammates is with her paint mixing passive. go check it out

and normally those paint mixing passives only buff herself

but it is transferred to teammates with her ult

---

please go back and review CH similarly too. Especially pay attention to how long her impair lasts

CH has 3 major things iirc

• personal impair (3 ways to do it)
• team buff against impaired enemies
• team buff from cross drop
  go look for these

[frozen crypt]

I mean for open world its so easy that you really don't have to be asking for BiS gear, spend more time having fun using them in OW and less time trying to get them good setups

[spiral badge]

yeah overall optimizing whatever i'm saying prob won't take you anywhere far so you can just do what you want

but i feel i'm always missing something when you keep asking these sort of questions lol

anyway i've already made CH and SI simpler to understand. Going to ask of you to review carole on your own if you're still interested. (also because i don't remember her as clearly lol)

but if you are having trouble understanding carole then it's fine to ask. Just be specific so you don't get mistaken for someone who is just being too lazy to look it up lol

[pliant kernel]

Anyone got the image for dorm comfort

[frozen crypt]

!faq comfort

[small willow]

Dorm Comfort

Let's get building, Captain!

Click here to see the more in-depth guide from TencentDimepiece!

It is not worth buying the Beach Dorm. It is not worth increasing your Comfort beyond 2400 because the Onigiri regen is 17/h until 4800 Comfort then it become 18/h, which needs the Beach Dorm anyway.

If you want to know the secret to farming Honkai Blocks (please never spend coins on Dorm materials), [click here](#👶beginner-help message).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[sonic dirge]

any ideas for ma

everyone doing hoh with new gear

[haughty elbow]

ce luna kira

[sonic dirge]

ok thanks will try that then

it's worse stupid iframes

[left vale]

i dont think youre gonna 840 without hohe. you can try CE thele lantern tho

can put CE on turg or just sig gear

[haughty elbow]

??

[left vale]

??

[haughty elbow]

840 without hohe isnt hard
the hard part is getting the 893

[left vale]

i didnt think it was possible

doubt 893 is possible without hohe tho

might be with CE tho idk
could try HoFS too if you have her SSS
shed be better tbh

well HoFs should be locked to HoD tho so nvm

[haughty elbow]

doable but needs ranks

[sonic dirge]

oh right i see thanks for advice

[dry python]

If no lamp how to 1s keksumi

[haughty elbow]

make sure u get a really soft cold pillow so u can have good dreams

[dry python]

Can I just use another wod

LOL

[autumn oxide]

go back into the past and use ss bug duh

[sonic dirge]

i gave up friends account is so bad and lacking most no wonder they quit

[amber swift]

is there anyn way to craft down or buy these? i dont wanna farm the lowest level one

[naive pivot]

well you're gonna have to

[amber swift]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

why can i buy everything but g1

[haughty elbow]

simple
farm the 2nd lowest lvl one

[lime talon]

do i get new susang or badum kiana? I have no team synergy with either

[odd plume]

badum banner is over no? just focus on debut valk

but depend on your crystal and 8.3 news

[lime talon]

when she reruns

isn't it p2 char rerun next patch or something similar

i have like no teams for either so id be throwing like sw and susang....

[odd plume]

rule of thumb: dont pull rerun unless you whale

[odd plume]

new sushang + coralie + extra cope support like TA

but you dont have to use that

depend on what else you have

[naive pivot]

i guess i'm whale then

[sonic dirge]

this is ridiclious im using pe

i don't have that m stigma all use on hoo

i forgot to swap from er badge to opps it don't that much difference right ?

[low kestrel]

OMG I FORGOT TO DO MEMORIAL ARENA

someone help me make a memorial arena team fast

[celest shard]

Brick weather makes me happy

I need to get more used to Little Dudu in place of TA

[sweet flax]

what do you even have

[low kestrel]

i have this (also coralie and helia)

[sweet flax]

damn it would've been nice to have hohe and thel for sakura but you need them on other teams

you could do fws jds hohe on the first boss (sa)

and mps lds dsa for hod

[low kestrel]

and the third boss?

[amber finch]

pray

[low kestrel]

😭 🙏

[sweet flax]

you dont have much, but it yields the least rewards even not doing the last part of it gets you the crystals if that's the goal

[amber finch]

just make up a team yourself and kill her

[sweet flax]

you can try brute forcing with some dumb shit, its a very squishy boss

[amber finch]

you can try having fun with smt like ce/si kira + uhh velonia i forgor the battlesuit name

[sweet flax]

bro forgot the goat of the ice element, starchasm nyx

[amber finch]

ce si using elementary stig ofc

[amber finch]

styg nyx

[sweet flax]

shut

[amber finch]

girl is so relevant i forgor her

[low kestrel]

i'm bad making teams 😔

[amber finch]

literally just throw random geared valks together

[sweet flax]

just use anything, lv ce gd is an option (if geared)

[amber finch]

i already gave you a team to use if you want to have fun

[sweet flax]

having fun with stygian nyx is something alright

[amber finch]

having sss nyx means he likes her

[sweet flax]

fo sho

[low kestrel]

i will do this... I summon!!!
@ancient needle help here too pls

[amber finch]

or he could just be clueless and got her to sss bc he thought she was op or smt

[amber finch]

you do know that you dont need to think that hard about kasumi right

like just turn off your brain and kill her

[low kestrel]

i want to make a good score

[amber finch]

you dont have the teams the teams for that

[low kestrel]

😔

[amber finch]

exactly

dont give me that reason valurto

“oh i want a good score” you’re literally using cope teams

[low kestrel]

here say kiana, i have kiana

[amber finch]

valurto you have played this game for long enough to know the ingame recs are dogshit

[sweet flax]

a) that's outdated as fuck
b) that team cannot kill the boss fast enough for a good score

[amber finch]

i expect you to know better

[low kestrel]

yeah i know but i was thinking maybe this time will be good 😔

[amber finch]

cmon valurto

[amber finch]

.

[sweet flax]

the only way to get a good score on that boss is to abuse time bullshit with hohe and thel which means you get bad scores in the first 2 bosses (aka the bosses where scores matter)

at least with the units you own

[amber finch]

teammate will just say the same thing we’re saying to you btw

you have nothing that can actually score… well

[low kestrel]

and sairaan?

ah he is hiatus

[amber finch]

same thing but more polite, valurto you have no teams for these bosses, stop thinking you can score

[sweet flax]

again, the advice we give is similar to the advice of other helpers

I understand that you dont usually consult us and have doubts, but dont worry about them, things like this happen all the time, we want to make sure you have the best score possible

[low kestrel]

okay so i will do any team in third boss

[amber finch]

just kill them, get the mats and 120 crystals and go on with your life

[low kestrel]

what teams i use in the first and second boss? i forgor

[amber finch]

scroll up

[sweet flax]

technically they could leave it at 4/5 and get all crystals

[amber finch]

dont expect me to spoonfeed

[sweet flax]

.

[amber finch]

[sweet flax]

:)

[amber finch]

stop spoonfeeding him

[low kestrel]

:D,

[sweet flax]

I never spoonfeed I just like being against you

[amber finch]

he already got spoonfed a shit ton of times smh

[low kestrel]

continue asumura

[formal sand]

So I made a new account and I was wondering which starter banner I should pull on if at all

[amber finch]

dont pull on any banners rn, especially the starter banner

[sweet flax]

anyways need to catch a bus, ciao

[amber finch]

bai

[low kestrel]

but uhhh idk what is dws jds lds dsa and hod

[amber finch]

glossary in pins

[low kestrel]

😭 🙏

[formal sand]

Is there a reason?

[sweet flax]

jds jovial deception aka songque
lds lone destruction aka lantern
dsa deepspace anchor aka senadina

hod is the hod minion boss (2nd boss)

[amber finch]

really asu

[low kestrel]

ASUMARA IS THE GOAT!!! 🐐

[sweet flax]

also where's you get dws from? do you mean fws?

in that case that's badum kiana

(fuck u ches)

[amber finch]

blocking you rn

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/elmowg-elmo-cat-elmeow-fire-cat-evil-cat-gif-16516012309062667418

[formal sand]

I'm only pulling till 50 because of the starter guide so I can get a free weapon, I'm most likely going for HoV weapon cause she's the only one I have out of the three weapons

[amber finch]

dont bother with that and hov is dogshit

[low kestrel]

@sweet flaxi love u tky

@amber finchtky too chesse guy

[sweet flax]

anyways gtg now fr

[amber finch]

shoo

[sweet flax]

ill get you souvenirs ches

[amber finch]

[formal sand]

Yeah I don't really care about if she is good or not, I play genshin and everyone tells me Noelle is dogshit but I built her to be a god

[amber finch]

and this is a different game

[formal sand]

Same company tho

[amber finch]

anyways if you dont care abt the meta then do whatever you want

[amber finch]

very weird reason but go on

just because its from the same company doesnt mean it’ll be the same

hi3 is almost a decade old atp

[formal sand]

True

[amber finch]

its mechanics are very different from genshin

dont try to compare both games

you fight against real players in this game so meta is very relevant in this game

[formal sand]

My main account has a HoV that's on my main team, honestly I only use her for the increased crit rate and damage

[amber finch]

you built noelle to be a god in genshin because you fought against no one else

now use your hov to fight against someone else more relevant valk, lets say, hmm dudu, you’ll be fucked

[amber finch]

disclaimer

can just ignore all the stuffs i said and do whatever you want

im saying this because crystal income is tied to meta

crystal is the game’s pulling currency

[formal sand]

I am, it's not like I'm gonna get the current banner character by 50 pulls, I just want the free weapon

[amber finch]

and its not important and it wont do you any good

[formal sand]

After that I'm gonna save all my crystals till a meta character banner is present

[amber finch]

also its not even the best choice

[amber finch]

you have less than 4 days

spending 50 pulls now seems like an interesting choice

[formal sand]

Elysia's weapon, HoV's weapon, and I honestly forget the third choice

Is it senti's weapon? I forget

[amber finch]

hohe’s old weap, hov’s old weap, jk’s weap iirc, best choice is jk weap

[amber finch]

reminder

[amber finch]

.

[formal sand]

Who's jk?

[amber finch]

glossary in pins

i’ll spoonfeed this time tho

[amber finch]

jade knight

dont wanna deter new players from using the glossary

[formal sand]

Ah, also how the heck do I get the free 5 star box? I haven't seen that anywhere

Is it at the end of the starter guide?

[amber finch]

which one

send me an image of it

or atleast tell me the contents of it

[amber finch]

the event already expired

[formal sand]

Oh lol and I said 5 star, I meant s rank

[sweet flax]

Eh we knew what you meant anyways, but ye the events expired as ches said

There will be more in the future anyways

[formal sand]

When did it end?

[amber finch]

anyways dont spend 50 pulls now

[sweet flax]

This week? Or last week

[sweet flax]

Tf would you even pull rn

[amber finch]

like you said you wanna save for a meta valk right

[amber finch]

hes dumping it on starter because he wants to complete the 50 pulls mission for the weapon box

[sweet flax]

That box is useless

[amber finch]

reminder again

[formal sand]

Damn, I made my new account like 3 days ago, wish I had made it last week but I was debating on staying on my original

[sweet flax]

Rushing it does nothing, also starter is full of outdated valks with near 0 use unless your account is already established, hint, beginner accounts aren't established

If you wanna pull do it on a main banner, preferably of a debuting valk

[amber finch]

hint: less than 4 days

[formal sand]

Out of the current two who's a better choice

[amber finch]

neither

[sweet flax]

Neither, wait 4 days

[formal sand]

So sparkle is dogshit?

[amber finch]

did you read nothing i send you

[amber finch]

she’s mid

not dogshit, just mid

[formal sand]

Ah and yes I read what you said

[sweet flax]

Short answer: yes
Long answer: she has 2 main uses 1 being so niche it never happens and the other already teased to be ending soon

[amber finch]

hey

yeah fair she’s nearing dogshit atp lmao

but still she’s in the mid territory

[formal sand]

So should I just straight focus the story or do events?

[amber finch]

both, do anything that gives crystals

story, events, qmanifold, elysian realm(level 50), etc etc

[sweet flax]

You'd do both but since the events right now are ending you should only prioritise crystal rewards from the events (don't do the captainverse event that shit takes too long for less than a pull)

[amber finch]

i just refused to do capt verse since its so bad

not worth the hassle for 300 xtals or smt

waiting for that to bite me in the ass

[sweet flax]

300??? It's 200

[amber finch]

wait what

[outer spruce]

wishful thinking

[sweet flax]

50 crystals 4x

[amber finch]

what a scam