👶beginner-help

[sand otter]

So for character grinding that's mostly done via War Treasury with uses Ancient Will and Ancient Legacy.

If they are an S rank anyways, A ranks are bought via Asterite.

[hollow kindle]

I dont understand anything ill probally learn it some time so ill just focus on grinding gems incase rerun

[quick birch]

Note that all WT don't really have a matter purpose or are extremely niche with unobtainable gear

They are still worth getting for stress test and ER crystals though

[hollow kindle]

Well thx for the advice ill go to grinding now and use a lot of hours trying to find ways to get 70k of these gems

[lime talon]

i finished my task from adventure, do i just hit save and exit? it says im free to leave but i dont see any other option to leave other than exit. what do I do

[sand otter]

Yep you can just leave

[lime talon]

the save and exit right?

[sand otter]

yeah

[lime talon]

plz dont make me do it again if it fails 😭

yippe thx

[sand otter]

[lime talon]

whats the diff between the rank of task other than the rewards

[sand otter]

stamina cost I think?

it's nothing important either way.

[wild bolt]

what are the best resources/sites for battlesuit builds? is there a way to figure out a build on your own or is it pretty hard as a newbie?

[lime talon]

also any way to heal in these worlds (in adventure )

[opal ingot]

As a newbie the hard part is just having nothing to work with

[wild bolt]

but i mean for planning builds

[sand otter]

There aren't really builds in hi3.

[quick birch]

well the plan is sig weapon + stigmatas

[opal ingot]

Not sure if anyone made a web resource, but generally every character just wears their signature sets

[outer spruce]

builds for characters are just their signature weapons and stigmatas

[opal ingot]

Keeping track of best coping options has been a "wisdom of the commons" situation for a few years now afaik

[sand otter]

The only time you aren't using their signatures is typically Elysian Realm if something ends up doing better dps like that one Fu Hua set on Coralie, or you are trying to clear in MA as a new player and scraping the bottom of the barrel because you don't have enough characters.

[calm kernel]

looks at all the sentis wearing MEI and MKP on in myriad rn

[quick birch]

there are some niche cases where chars use different weapons or stigmatas mostly seen in MA but that can also accure in abyss. Thats is very situational though and i dont recall any website for that

[shadow gyro]

in the adventure over world there are boxes that gives some healing

[lime talon]

ok

now i cant find any mobs to farm the resources

[shadow gyro]

if you mean the part 2 map then sometimes you see a + icon on the corner

[lime talon]

either intel too low or boss too high

[sand otter]

Is this APHO or a different open world

[lime talon]

idk how do itell

this if it helps

[shadow gyro]

oh apho

[sand otter]

I think the respawn timer is pretty long? Either way you have at least 1 day to complete it.

I think it's 30 IRL minutes? Might be an hour can't recall

[shadow gyro]

can you use the tickets to skip it?

[lime talon]

no i just cleared a mission

[shadow gyro]

ah

[lime talon]

but if it takes that long id prob skip

[shadow gyro]

yeah skip the hard ones

[sand otter]

You might be able to clear it by just starting a story mission if you have one avaliable (inside APHO)

[shadow gyro]

even tho eventually you would eventually be swimming with tickets to skip everything

but for now you can save most of them if the content is more than doable

[lime talon]

just cleared 5 🤷

intel 8 with no effort lmao

i thought it was 3 tasks per week, howd i get 5

[naive pivot]

so is this weather just horbius/MPE or die

[sand otter]

It's 5 3 times a week. 15 total

[lime talon]

oh....

also is there save for supply in the adventure world

and how do you draw from diff phases

[sand otter]

You need to finish drawing from the current phase to move onto the next.

[haughty elbow]

p1 songque is very strong

[sand otter]

In order to earn more keys once you are max level, you would need to do Ruins which opens... Every 2 weeks?

[lime talon]

100?? wtf am i to obtain 1k keys

[naive pivot]

ok but shieldbreak

[sand otter]

If you don't have Ruins unlocked yet, you can do so via story progression in APHO.

[lime talon]

whens that unlocked

[sand otter]

I think I'm on APHO 1.5 or 1.6 I keep putting off finishing it.

But I have ruins unlocked at that point.

[shadow gyro]

RS moment lmao

[naive pivot]

ok but where RS

[sand otter]

just pull on rerun /jk

[naive pivot]

might consider it some day

[shadow gyro]

rerunning later to bait ppl that where traumatized with starless
there's otto and aponia boss too

[lime talon]

how can i upgrade stigmata to 40? i keep getting 35 lock also which ones are worth upping to 40

[shadow gyro]

can't TA help with this boss for non RS havers tho?

[shadow gyro]

usually depends on the valk, you wanna slowly level them together

[sand otter]

Not all Stigmata or weapons are 'rare' enough to go beyond lvl 35.

[lime talon]

which is ?

[shadow gyro]

do note that its locked that way so u can't speedrun it
but as long as you do the challenges you would eventually max it all
the supply won't go so dw

[shadow gyro]

look at the star rarity on the stigmata for reference

[sand otter]

i'd have to see what characters you have to know what would be worth leveling tbh.

[junior hound]

Is HoF still usable? Just got her from a lucky pull

[quick birch]

which one

there is HoFs and HoFi

[junior hound]

Although i have a fully geared fws...

[junior hound]

Kiana version the old one

[sand otter]

Both are kiana so that doesn't help lmao.

Flamescion or Finality.

[quick birch]

both are kiana old version

[shadow gyro]

if HoFlame then no, she's not used in abyss
she does have her niche on MA thanks for her leader passive but nothing that makes you need to gear her

[junior hound]

Flame

[quick birch]

Besides from MA no shes farmable anyway

[shadow gyro]

yeah

[open knot]

helooo what stigma should i use for mini dudu, i dont want to spend resources to craft her stigma set

[junior hound]

Well doesn't matter i have fws fully geared so even if she's still slightly usable i won't use her as much

[shadow gyro]

at least you can use her in her stress test but just use what you have on her
also u can use her in shallow sequence

[quick birch]

p2 valks want their signature stigmata 99% of the time

thats why they are craftable

[open knot]

aight thanks

[junior hound]

We have to craft g3-4 stigmas at some point?

[shadow gyro]

there's her stigmata box if you have it but you'll have to forge the rest later

[quick birch]

although if crafting is the right choice depends. Does she have her weapon and how many prism do you have? prism can become a valuable resource

[quick birch]

not really some have MA usage but you craft prism stigmatas

[shadow gyro]

not really no, use the mirage pins

[junior hound]

Well they sure look stupidly expensive to even think of it, so it's a good thing

[open knot]

yeah i just want to survive this abyss for 1 time, cus itll prob change to other again
and resource is painful for non spender

[wild bolt]

So for the most part, equip everyone with their signatures, and I just might need to switch it out for certain challenges?

[quick birch]

Yeah but with p2 those niches are becoming even more rare because 90% of the buffs are character locked

[wild bolt]

what do you mean by that?

[quick birch]

the stigmatas have specific buffs locked to a specific battlesuit

[wild bolt]

that makes sense - why would that make it rare, then?

[junior hound]

Take fws for example, it must be equipped by the Valkyrie to activate the additional dmg bonus

[quick birch]

because you cant really switch out stigmatas anymore since they are char locked and better than p1 stigmatas 99% of the time. With niches i meant scenarios where you switch out their signature gear

[wild bolt]

ohhhh i see

so then to edit what i just said, i should just be getting the sigs for everyone? that's how to build them?

[stark geyser]

Would Sparke main dps + any 2 of AE/CN/VBm or HoFlamescion + Sparkle + any 1 of prev mentioned would be better? Dont have sparkle or HoFL sig, sparkle 1/4 otherwise both on beginner stig

[lime talon]

i cant find a single stigmata other than marco polo to get to level 40 and im supposed to get 6 of them...

[shadow gyro]

can you show your stigmata inventory?

[quick birch]

Yes, but prisms can become a rare resource if you over spend them. Normally you get all 3 stigmatas while pulling for the weapon anyway, note that upgrading prism stigs also takes a lot of prism 7 per stigmata to be precise

[wild bolt]

okay! this really helps explain things, thank you :D

[lime talon]

i found like 1 other but other than that i cant find any more

[quick birch]

they probably expect you to craft prism stigs at some point. but other stater manual stigmatas like Fu hua musician should also be able to go to lv 40

[lime talon]

correct me if im wrong but this shows max level right?

[quick birch]

also why do you have 1 kiana stig

[lime talon]

max possible level

[shadow gyro]

where did you get the kiana one on the third pic? did you unlock it from the stigmata box or are you pulling for new kiana?

[wild forum]

3 star ones you upgrade to max 4 star cap at 35

while the ones you buy from crystal spent event for 150 tokesn are 4 star right away

[quick birch]

this is the base lvl you can see 1 star is still missing which means you can upgrade it to 5* which is lvl 50 max

[wild forum]

so they go to 40

[lime talon]

used it on weapon supply and got it on my first 10

[outer spruce]

if a stig has a max of 5 stars, it can go past 35

[lime talon]

oh ok time to buy

which one is most helpful

[shadow gyro]

ah, if you're not pulling for new kiana then just save the pulls

[wild forum]

never pull on weapon banner if you dont have the char

last week guy here was stuck with wep he accidently pulled this way

[lime talon]

i mean was gonna to but like...

[quick birch]

yeah if you cant gurantee her + weapon just save for 8.2

[lime talon]

it was for the event currency 💀

[shadow gyro]

yeah forgot about it

and ignore that stigmata as well

[quick birch]

you should dumb crystals into a banner just for a spending event, those are nice benefits not a goal.

[lime talon]

which stigmata is best to buy + max to 40

[wild forum]

also tf why do you need to be level 81 to upgrade PRI weapon

[shadow gyro]

according to #👶beginner-help message you can get fu hua musician M and B and Theresa gluttony and slap it on Coralie and these sets can get up to level 50 max

[lime talon]

i wanted to get kiana but was strongly advised not to

[quick birch]

fu hua musician is a nice support set, you will get all of them eventually though

[shadow gyro]

yeah i remember u don't have enough for new kiana so just save for the next version

[junior hound]

Pri arm a wep is a bad idea?

[opal ingot]

To give an incentive for breaking through

[quick birch]

you could melt through everything with lvl 65 attack

[quick birch]

no

[wild forum]

you still do tho at 50 with it having PRI effect upgrade at 50/65 for stats

[shadow gyro]

depending on the weapon that you're talking about

[junior hound]

So should i pri arm fws wep?

[lime talon]

lol i got 4.5k now

[shadow gyro]

yeah that's still not enough
u need pulls for the gear too

[quick birch]

yeah imagen that with lvl 65 attack now

[outer spruce]

you used to not be able to pri arm until breakthrough

[wild forum]

no difference if you clear in 3 or 4 seconds

[wild bolt]

sorry - one more thing! if a character and their weapon isnt on a banner rn, how do i figure out what their sig weapon is?

[shadow gyro]

and badum passed her main shill

[lime talon]

hey i got ss rank coralie too and get 210 8th anni annluon

[junior hound]

Look for the guide on top of the screen it shows what's the signature wep is

[quick birch]

if you can yes, extra buffs and enchaned buffs

[wild bolt]

ok! ty :)

[junior hound]

It resets level? Because if it does, i don't have materials to re-level it

[wild forum]

it does every single big unlock

[junior hound]

I have resources to upgrade it but do not enhance it

[quick birch]

you dont need honkai cubes to upgrade it anymore and just some weapon xp

[junior hound]

Oh so only wep exp? No other additional rare mats!

[quick birch]

for now, if you go past lvl 50, which you cant do atm you need some more mats

[wild forum]

yeah the locks are gone with its costs its only exp mats from 1

[wild forum]

I think the main issue for first pri wep ppl is accout level and not the mats

[lime talon]

which weapon should i get for one of my valks to up thier weapon to 40, don't have any that work other than divine keys

[quick birch]

you can also check p2 gears descreption they normally have something along the line of Equip bonus [battlesuit name]

[wild bolt]

okay!

[shadow gyro]

check #👶beginner-help message

[copper pier]

better to swap to a stig with better affixes and level it up or fix the affix on a fully leveled stig?

[quick birch]

yeah, thats what i said. He does not need mats at the moment but if he wants to level the weapon above 50 he needs extra mats but he cant upgrade it past lvl 50 at the moment anyway since he is below lvl 81

[wild bolt]

i see for example that hotv has a bonus from i think a four star and five star weapon? would the higher rating one be her sig?

[shadow gyro]

if you don't have Coralie's weapon then get it and level it
otherwise you can take a look at #👶beginner-help message and see which to level according to the pic

[wild forum]

yeah thats me right now as well

im 56 slacking in events instead of farming exp

[quick birch]

Weapons only come in 4* base version, you can upgrade them to 5* or even 6*. Who do you mean by Hotv. Herscher of the Void?

[lime talon]

is it worth forging the 150 of ae imaginon

[wild bolt]

yes
i’m talking about domain of the void and keys of the void

[wild forum]

he gets it for free from P2 story no?

[shadow gyro]

you mean getting a wp that costs that? yeah on the valks that u use a lot but don't level it past level 35 because you would waste resources on temporary weapons

[wild forum]

ig you technically could get frags without doing p2 story

[shadow gyro]

Coralie's wp? yeah

[wild forum]

but yeah dont craft a rocket hammer in forge get better one from story

[shadow gyro]

yeah calm baby is useless

[wild forum]

you get its dupes for 30k asterite from shop too

and i thnk one dupe from story P2 after where I am at

[shadow gyro]

that's for its synergy

u can only unlock the wp from p2

[wild forum]

yeah just noted it so nobody goes buy many dupes before doing story to claim one extra

[quick birch]

They are basically the same weapon, weapons just usually change names after you pri armed them. You can get Key of the void in the exchange shop but there are some more valuable things to get from than.

[shadow gyro]

there was a box with it in 7.8 but u wouldn't pick it from there anyways

[wild forum]

I think I got that box a bit over a week ago

[wild bolt]

ohhh i see
yeah i’m not building hotv specifically but that was the example i was thinking of
ty!

[quick birch]

that box was time limited so that would be a bit strange

[wild forum]

it had HoHE old bow and HoV sig

and some jade knight gauntlets as options

[shadow gyro]

oh no that's a different one

[wild forum]

but both had the same HoV wep then ig ?

[quick birch]

yeah thats the starter manual box. She was talking about a limited box in 7.8 which had coralies hammer in it

[wild forum]

ah

[shadow gyro]

the box i was talking about only had coralie's, helia's or affix devices
yeah u don't have it

not a big deal tho

[wild forum]

I read ppl got coralie stig for free on 50 on their realease

good I already done upgrading my coralie at this point als I was a tiny bit tilted

[shadow gyro]

yeah the stigmata

it was in a daily log in

during 7.3

[quick birch]

yeah, we had to upgrade 6 prism stigmatas at the same time so that was the compensation

[shadow gyro]

yeah

[wild forum]

yeah and new ppl with 4 char banners + 2 new chars when they enter p2 wont need it

duh

[shadow gyro]

and the amount of prisms at that time was low

[wild forum]

yeah they could've just put it on some reward track for ppl entering P2 first week forever so they have one P2 char done

[shadow gyro]

at least the important stuff which is the stigmatas are always available (for p2 units)
it just depends on ur current resources

[quick birch]

new people get a lot of prism and crystals. They dont need even more

its fine this way really

[wild forum]

yeah I surely wasnt stuck upgrading coralies 3 stigs this week to argue on that

[quick birch]

it takes time you wont be able to just upgrade all of them to max thats normal. You still only need to upgrade 2 prism sets if you are new the same amount that 7.3 players needed to, coralies set was really just to compensate the players

[shadow gyro]

coralie is on the lower prio anyways
u would go for it if you're past the breakthrough i suppose and u still lack a full team (but after the other units)
for early and midgame 2 fhm + teri glut is sufficient

[shadow gyro]

and there's that 4* fire set too
or should i say 3 star since u unlock it at 3 star

[wild forum]

I threw that on the third char

[shadow gyro]

it's fine

[wild forum]

since AM and CN stigs are limited

[shadow gyro]

yeah its fine for the most part

you won't use ai chan for long anyways

[wild forum]

I did coralie ER last weekend

what a joke of a char

shes literlly fire Herta as dps in ER, including auto aim and perma spins

[shadow gyro]

AM? you mean MA aka raven? yeah its also fine

[wild forum]

sry I meant TA its a bit late

[shadow gyro]

ah

[wild forum]

TA sig wep and stigs both limited

[shadow gyro]

its ok

[wild forum]

but polo is fine

and I got the interrupt resistance + atk speed gloves from mission thingy

[shadow gyro]

the focus for new players are p2 anyways, you would eventually ignore these characters but rn they're useful with these sets for now

[wild forum]

yeah I build her as filler for team 2 with P2 phys char carry until they have full P2 teams so not having the sig stuff doesnt bother me at all

[lime talon]

but the mission states level 40...

alright now how tf can i get a weapon to level 50, not even that weapon can go to 50

[shadow gyro]

you might show if you have other options
i still don't think its worth it bc you would waste resources on the craftable weapons

do you have any other tasks to finish?

actually u can level the realm of battle dkeys, some of them that is

[shadow gyro]

bc u need it for gene limits

[lime talon]

only 1mil coins and like some of those green things

might be cooked

i got none and i claimed all rewards

[shadow gyro]

for the fire one pick btwm the pistol or the greadsword
for the physical one u have to level the sword
for the ice one level the fist
for the cannon one ignore lul
for the lighting one level sakura dkey or judah dkey based on what you have (u can obtain both and u want both)

[lime talon]

wait im suppposed to open the boxes right...

[shadow gyro]

the ring ones? yes

u can only get the green rings from realm of battle

[lime talon]

ice for sw?

[shadow gyro]

u wanna level all eventually

[lime talon]

i thought they were more useful for use as weapon

[shadow gyro]

at least to level 9 to max the ele + phy dmg buff

start with the one that u need the most

[wild forum]

you want all of the dkeys and upgrade them up to 50 for and then feed them for accountwide power eventually with some upgrade prioties depending on which chars you play

[shadow gyro]

not all need to be leveled, at least be tuned tho

[lime talon]

would i use those fist for jade knight once i get her or her fist

[shadow gyro]

the ones that u level is based on the other benefits

[shadow gyro]

use her own fist

although u might actually use the realm one since i don't think that you're recommended to level her sig

[lime talon]

so which do i level first this or the other one

i really dont think im obtaining 1200 the green rings soon

[shadow gyro]

note that u won't use these wps in the end game but they're useful if you're missing an option rn

[cyan dune]

does it matter which of the keys you pick from RoB?

[shadow gyro]

not really, you'll eventually be able to get all

u can check the dkey faq if you're not sure

[shadow gyro]

hmm technically u would use this but u won't use JK in the end game due to the lack of gear
level the realm stuff first
get the cannon dkey from RoB but don't level it

[quick birch]

they are not ment to be obtained soon, dkeys are a passiv buff you build up over time

[shadow gyro]

i gtg now im sleepy 🛌

[lime talon]

is cannon star of eden

[shadow gyro]

yeah the black one

there's another star of eden that is HoR's bis but u don't have that

[lime talon]

ye i got that, just tryna do these 2 rn

[shadow gyro]

for now follow my advice as you progress with the other dailies

im sry but i gtg cya later!

[wild forum]

you can level coralie weapon to 50

[lime talon]

best weapon?

[wild forum]

its not a divine key so its cheaper to upgrade

[shadow gyro]

JK's wp btw

[quick birch]

nocturnal the others dont really have any use

neither does nocturnal but

[lime talon]

i assume its not this

[wild forum]

no you get it for free from P2 story first parts

[lime talon]

isn't jade knight plus sw good?

[quick birch]

nah its from p2 story very early on. The starter manual forces you to do a bit of it anyway

[wild forum]

you get enough frags to get coralie week 1

if you get the ones from the asterite shop + the ones you get from P2 story rewards

[quick birch]

for early game sure, later that would be one of her best team mates but SW isnt really good in general anymore

[wild forum]

plus the wep is like 5 mins after you get the frags or so right after

[quick birch]

its not only frags its a char card actually

[lime talon]

rip my box

[quick birch]

SW from the box is fine you dont choose them for competetive benefits anyway

SW is the only one that isnt farmable in there

although if you want to be highly competetive you would keep the box for the affix reroll device. but thats min maxing char stats to get a few extra points

[lime talon]

i need 7 of these, which one is the best to buy from

[lime talon]

that reminds me of relic reolling in hsr

god no i can ignore that for at least 1 year

[quick birch]

its not that impact full in the slightest.

[lime talon]

from asterite shop id need 26k asterite 💀

[wild forum]

did you farm the events yet

they gave quite a lot of thingies to trade in for it

[lime talon]

which

[wild forum]

blood moon

x50 from spent event

rice cake event

[quick birch]

although getting them from spending event isnt the best option there are more valuble things there

[lime talon]

asterlites are very farmable right?

so bye by 20k asterlite?

[dry python]

[wild forum]

are you sure thinking straight

you need 50 EA per HS

[quick birch]

youd want to get some coralie frags from that tbh, AE imaginons are also farmble through expeditions and open world tasks.

[wild forum]

50 EA 13.5k asterite PER HS

so 7 would be 75k asterite or so

[lime talon]

couldn't tell you how much i should value it

[wild forum]

quick mafs its 95k asterite get rekt

[lime talon]

oh lol it gave me 26k for 99 not 450

welp rip quest

[frozen crypt]

You could salvage that calm baby hammer for starters...

[dry python]

-3 honkai shards

[frozen crypt]

The fact you upgraded it once already is -3 honkai shards tho yea lol

!faq foundry

[lime talon]

i mean...

[small willow]

Foundry Weapons

Be careful, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see more information about Foundry Weapons and Honkai Shards.

It is okay to craft Foundry weapons using AE Imaginons, but please do not upgrade them beyond level 35 or upgrade their Sync level.

[wild forum]

the blue wep maxed wouldve been fine

[lime talon]

i thought id be able to continue upgrading it

[frozen crypt]

You should get coralie's actual hammer from p2 story so keep it until then ig

[wild forum]

you know shes a support ye in most teams

[frozen crypt]

Complete waste of resources

Don't upgrade it any further

[lime talon]

love how they give this after

[lime talon]

alr

[wild forum]

just hyperbrain it and try dismantle the free hammer from story to try make up the HS spent on this baby

[dry python]

???

[wild forum]

just kidding, its pure troll they allow coralie to exist without her hammer on ppl no matter how you obtain her

[frozen crypt]

Its a bit of a silly quest yeah but its to encourage people to pull a weapon for an S rank

Or encourage them to waste materials cuz they don't know what they're doing, common mibobo tactic

[frozen crypt]

Don't troll in help channels bruh someone could take that seriously

[lime talon]

oh no i sold it

[wild forum]

I didnt even notice earlier his was 40 when he sent the baby screenshot, thought he send it to ask if that shoudnt be crafted since you get it for free from story

[frozen crypt]

I'm about to delete my discord account

[frozen crypt]

Did you actually or are you now trolling

[lime talon]

lol dont, youd never know jokes by text

[wild forum]

ye he randomly started to do P2 when he decided not to

[frozen crypt]

Just not far enough into p2 to get coralie's actual hammer then?

[lime talon]

p2 as in part 2 of story?

[frozen crypt]

Yes thats where you get it

[lime talon]

oh lol

[wild forum]

the story where coralie is in

[lime talon]

it aint random, i was forced against my own will by growth regiment

[wild forum]

for me when I started last week I had no clue what part 2 was

I was level 36 and finished first story secontion and it forced me into p2

[lime talon]

yo same i started last week

[wild forum]

I didnt even know how to go back to I just done it anyhow

[frozen crypt]

Yeah covenant of finality

[wild forum]

best is I started doing the events since the fking tp thingy kept hitting the wrong options (it had 3 options for tps, 2 were for event and 1 for story and I didnt know which icon was for which)

so I did 10 hours of events before continueing with story

[lime talon]

i did story so more captain level

also what events in p2?

[frozen crypt]

Voyage log has some perma p2 events

[wild forum]

those

I did all of them before main story

mf spoilers being allowed this way is bad

[lime talon]

oh i thought those were pain so i skipped and did what i needed

[lime talon]

you do realize that p2 is part 2 of the story right...

[wild forum]

I didnt know the events also were in different story spots of P2

anyhow I drank a lot so I forgot more

[lime talon]

would you ban if i did lol

[wild forum]

anyhow just dont touch those until you done with P2 story basically

[frozen crypt]

My account would be gone I wouldn't do anything

[wild forum]

its crimimial you can do those at all earlier by accident

[frozen crypt]

I mean I don't think its common that people find these before p2 story anyway...?

[lime talon]

bye bye mod :(

[wild forum]

imagine my brain rot if you are on level 36 10 chapters into first story and you get send to P2 act 8 story event and you dont know how to go back

[frozen crypt]

Not everyone cares about story, and the story in this game isn't as simple as following chapter by chapter. Open world also has story which some is locked to lvl 50 and there's also VNs to read if you want to do the lore properly.

It'd be bad to make the content inaccessible until you've progressed the vast majority of the story

[lime talon]

me trying to get kiana in one week and fail

[wild forum]

I care less about the perfect order than doing story I cant understand being overwhelming because you lack context from earlier phases

obviously later you learn the rest to fill the gaps but doing so in this way isnt so nice to your own brain

[frozen crypt]

What can I say, its an old game with a lot of content

[wild forum]

same shit with the ER, I skip everything dialog wise to re-read later

because to many spoilers of where I didnt go yet in story

but you gotta do ER Weekly so I unlocked it anyhow

raiden mei can go fk herself its so annoyiing she keeps talking about what happened

[frozen crypt]

So do you care about story order or not because we have a reading order faq and it seems like you're just playing whatever you see without actually checking for any kind of timeline

[wild forum]

basically if you didnt skip fast enough you would get spoiled

[frozen crypt]

!faq ro

[small willow]

Recommended Read Order

[frozen crypt]

If you want a sense of direction use this

[lime talon]

whats the best thing to buy from rice cake shop

[wild forum]

I did it initally because ER was about to run out in 4 hours and I wanted to get it unlocked and done for weekly rewards

[lime talon]

id assume reroll device?

[wild forum]

anyhow its all re-readable anyhow and I do so later when its correct time

[frozen crypt]

That event is still ongoing? I forgot whats in it exactly I can't open the game rn a screenshot would be nice

[lime talon]

oops started a new round with the yearly chibby thing

[frozen crypt]

Lol dw I can wait

Obviously crystals is a priority

[lime talon]

ye afterwards

[lime talon]

ofc everyone loves crystals

[wild forum]

btw the bridges for 1.5k crystal are no longer buyable in 9 days or something so check those

its 3 I think

2 of them run out (the pink one and the train station)

and the first is always up to be bought

[frozen crypt]

They provide 0 competitive value and do not contribute to the spending event but ig if a bridge is smth ur interested in they rarely rerun

[wild forum]

considering pulls are 280 here, its like 5 pulls worth, totally fine for permanent background stuff

because for some reason those brainlets throught its fine to not be able to change your bridge character for the P2 one

so youre forced into the old one if you want to be able swithc char

or get a new one all of which have the same thing

[lime talon]

would you say a purple yearly chibi b rank is better than s rank common chibi

[wild forum]

yeah the pink one is fire with elysia compared to the old starter bridge that has 5 pixels on my 4k monitor

obv the one for real money is still beating both but yeah

[frozen crypt]

Why are you encouraging wasting pulls and saying its fine

Unless they explicitly said they're a casual player and I missed it earlier then fair enough but you should default to meta advice in this channel until they say otherwise

[dire portal]

Which open world commission gives the most rewards ? Like crystals ? Is it shicshal ?

[quick birch]

You can still switch the valks its based on who you played last in p2 Story Background also changes based on p2 Story location afaik

[wild forum]

im saying 5 pulls worth of crystal is a fair amount for permanent cosmetics like this

if you want it .. compared to other games its very little

im not saying you have to get them because they run out

[frozen crypt]

But it isnt providing any competitive value to your account

So why encourage it unless the person has already expressed interest in bridges

[wild forum]

I feel better logging in and not getting blinded by white clouds thanks

[quick birch]

Meta is the base of advices here this is just your personal preference lol

[frozen crypt]

Thats great for you but you shouldn't be giving advice to other people

[wild forum]

Im not? im just reminding it runs out soon so ppl need to check if they like them or not

[frozen crypt]

I get that but saying its fine to spend over 1k crystals on something cosmetic isn't right

It could harm someones account if they take that advice not realising the effects it could have such as being unable to pull wep

1k can go a long way

[wild forum]

youre the person who remade his account 15 times to save 10 pulls worth of crystals surely when you started out

[dire portal]

Wait it runs out soon ? I gotta buy one, the p2 space capsule feels boring nowadays

[frozen crypt]

No actually, I wasted crystals every pull I had

My account was in disrepair for an entire year

I know firsthand how bad of a struggle it is to rebuild an account that wasted crystals on pretty things I saw thinking it was okay

[dire portal]

Bruh p2 valks doesn't get your acc bricked like that, it's much more forgiving, spending 1-2k crystals is not a problem chill

[stark geyser]

do I use my prism stigma lv 50 upgrade tickets on FWS? shes 4/4

[quick birch]

Yes, make sure to upgrade B or T with it though

[stark geyser]

got it thanks

[wild forum]

can you freely select it to a valk after the P2 story is over or not

if not then its dog

[gloomy acorn]

1-2k xtals were the difference between me missing thel weapon or not during her patch

[autumn oxide]

?

[quick birch]

2k can be a deal breaker for an f2p ?

[gloomy acorn]

What is blud waffling about

[autumn oxide]

theres a reason why i dont hv kia and im dying this patch

[stark geyser]

and about FWS stig M, it seems bad what star level and level should it stay at? 35/35? 1/45?

[frozen crypt]

I don't have a problem with people buying bridges if they really like and want them, I have a problem with encouraging spending 1k crystals on bridges because 'its fine' when the person receiving advice may not be aware of how much of a difference 1-2k can make

[lime talon]

bruh i lost the multi player yearly chibbi thing after activating 5 cards

[autumn oxide]

ive more or less bricked my entire loa roster too, considering i skipped kia AND spork

[wild forum]

you talk as if ppl collect 1.5k bridges like their 25 pair of shoes

[wild forum]

ppl have like 0 right now and theres cool ones for 1.5 total once its not a big deal

[autumn oxide]

yea cos u dint play when they gave it out for free?

[quick birch]

You can leave it at 1/50 since it has no initial atk stat

[autumn oxide]

continue playing and hoyo may give more out for free?

as literally everyone here has said, 1-2k xtals is a huge deal esp for f2ps

[dire portal]

If someone is planning to pull next patch valk then sure, if he/she wants a new bridge and doesn't plan to pull before 8.3 there's nothing wrong with spending 2k I believe, he can still get 8.3 valk while having a refreshing new bridge to look at

[wild forum]

its better to get a single fitting one for 1.5k than not getting any ever unless you like P2 thing and dont care about being able to place your own

[autumn oxide]

if ure not a meta slave and dont give two shits, sure go for it. but dont advise others without telling them of potential consequences

[autumn oxide]

no because its completely cosmetic?

[quick birch]

Saying 2k is nothing still is wrong considering we have no info about what the person wants to pull

[wild forum]

potential consequence: you will have 1.5k less crystals (11.2% of a weapon banner pity)

[autumn oxide]

spending 2k xtals on a valk/her gear can get u into nirv/myriad. spending 2k xtals on a bridge cant

getting into nirv/t2% ma regularly = more mats and resources = u can retain those more frequently

[frozen crypt]

I'm clearly getting nowhere trying to get through to you, I honestly don't understand half of what you're saying.

My final point is please default to meta advice in this channel, and you are new to the game yourself so actually just don't give advice at all. It is not fine to spend 2k on cosmetics and encourage doing this UNLESS the person is casual or has expressed interest in those items.

You don't want to be responsible for someone missing out on a valk because you pushed them to spend crystals on useless things from a competitive perspective.

[wild forum]

what im saying is instead of getting 3 random shit ones for free I rather pay 1.5k once for have one from the pastI like more that is up for another 9 days right now that I will use for many many months

[autumn oxide]

potential consequence, u pull a valk and dont get her weap and thats a completely wasted pull cos the valk cant function without her weap

[wild forum]

solution: never pull a valk if you dont have enough crystal to get wep at the same time

[quick birch]

Yes

[frozen crypt]

Exactly

[autumn oxide]

and the difference is guess what? 1.5k xtals

the difference between u being able to maintain nirv for a whole patch and potentially myriading a ton and u staying rl and losing out on xtals

[dire portal]

If someone pulls a valk without saving enough for her weapon then that's on her
Badum kiana took me like 82 wishes but still I got her and her weapon, cause I was sure I saved enough to pull her

[frozen crypt]

But if you keep spending 2k here on there on useless stuff you're gonna miss entire valks which negatively impacts your accounts competitive capabilities (your abyss rank may drop, you get less crystals)

[gloomy acorn]

Are we playing a different game or does the concept of saving said 2k over into future pulling plans not exist

[wild forum]

its not here and there its "once" and only if you dislike the stock thing, which is still personal preference

more than once is up to you then

[frozen crypt]

My personal preference is that you don't give advice in this channel anymore until you are more experienced with the game

[wild forum]

if you think never telling ppl when things run out is better advice because chance they waste crystal is lower is better advice you can go feel like a real man then

[autumn oxide]

my brain is having 6 consecutive aneurisms tryna read that homie

[quick birch]

I should have gone to bed

[dire portal]

I think his/her opinion is very much valid, if someone dislikes default bridge then buying a bridge ONCE is not costing him much, plus bridge doesn't get rerun very often, if one can plan his next valk pull ahead and have enough to spend 2k for something he likes then why shouldn't he

[frozen crypt]

I'd be fine with it if you let them know about the bridge shop, I specifically do not agree with you dismissing the value of 1-2k crystals and not laying out the pros and cons of buying a bridge

[autumn oxide]

because thats 2k xtals that can potentially get u another full gear valk

[frozen crypt]

As long as they are aware of the possible competitive consequences yes

[quick birch]

This is not about their personal opinion rather giving advice without knowing if the ppl are casual or stated interest in the cosmetic

[wild forum]

if you have 29 free bridges from playing 5+ years or whatever no new player cares about your take

because youre not relatable

obv from your point of view its better not to

[autumn oxide]

im a p2 player?

[frozen crypt]

Do you understand my point or not

[autumn oxide]

cosmetics does not matter at all?

[dire portal]

No, that 2k is potentially giving you a few mats from pulls that's it
You don't pull a valk before you save enough for valk+weapon, that's like 30k+ crystals

[autumn oxide]

ya and if u hv 28k xtals u dont pull the trigger and u miss a valk

i was nirv the whole of last patch, shy of 3 cycles

ive been nirv less than 3 times this patch

i skipped ONE valk

[wild forum]

its literally half of that

[frozen crypt]

If you genuinely don't see a problem with encouraging people to spend crystals on cosmetic items without:
A: Checking if they are a casual player
B: Making them aware of the pros and cons
C: Letting them know that 1k+ crystals can make or break being able to pull a valk

Then you shouldn't be giving advice here and you cannot be trusted, end of

[wild forum]

valk+wep is like 17k or something

[quick birch]

Girl what

[wild forum]

its (90+60)*280 no?

[dire portal]

Then you pull the next valk and still clear everything, p2 valks are not element based like p1, they're much more versatile
I'm not saying every player should pull bridges-okay so I'm in beginner help channel, my bad a beginner should focus on getting multiple element's dps and team first
However I'm level 88 and semi casual, I don't have to worry about buying bridge once, I don't plan to pull before 8.3.
So yeah everyone's priority is different

[haughty elbow]

now plug that into a calculator

[quick birch]

Yeah that's 42k

[autumn oxide]

HAHAHAHA

[frozen crypt]

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[autumn oxide]

nah ur maths wrong bro hes right, its 15k total

[wild forum]

point was his number was wrong eitherhow but i forgot which

its 42k so 30k isnt near too

[quick birch]

It's not wrong though 30k is recommended if you get unlucky skip and pull next valk or farm

[autumn oxide]

@dire portal ^

and guess what, 2k is a lot LMAOO

[frozen crypt]

30k is a decent chance of valk+wep and remember thats usually on entering the patch so you have time to farm crystals if you get really unlucky

[drifting parrot]

I got 2 hoh weapon within 3pull

[wild forum]

ok so where do you stop to be considered unlucky and stop

[autumn oxide]

i got ss sonk within 15 fight me

[gloomy acorn]

Where my Sync 2 dkey within 3 pulls

[dire portal]

I saved around 10k from the first day of this badum kiana patch

[quick birch]

If you can't pull anymore without going below your weapon pity.

You can argue and keep going if you can 100% guarantee the weapon until the banner is over but preferably you want to experience the whole shill

So normally you just stop if you would go below weapon pity and wait till you actually get the valk first to instantly pull the weapon

Anyway I'm tired gn

[frozen crypt]

Me too got work

[lilac reef]

how long does it take to complete APHO and are there xtal rewards?

[amber lintel]

HoRB or mats?

[frozen crypt]

!faq spendguide

[small willow]

Spending Event Guide

Not sure what to get, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see Professor Sairaan's explanation of what to choose in the current spending event!
-# Also see [!faq spending](#👶beginner-help message) if you are not familiar with spending events.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[amber lintel]

I saw just wondering what takes priority or am I missing something

oh nevermind its under it mb

[olive ivy]

was wondering, are the buffs you can get in the current deep sequence event also in normal ER or specific to this mode? specifically talking about kiana spamming jump to kill everything and durandal dashing to do the same

[thick bolt]

Playstyles are based on ego signets i.e you can choose to use this playstyle

[olive ivy]

oh so those are signets we already have, not new ones

[thick bolt]

Mhmm

[raw hamlet]

Is all new story post part 1 just open world or does it go back to the old chapter format eventually? Istg this genshin gameplay is so unbearable

[ancient needle]

It goes back to chapters

But there still will be OW parts of it

[raw hamlet]

thats a relief, thanks

[narrow heron]

What does T M B stand for in stigmata pieces

[sweet flax]

Top middle bottom

[narrow heron]

Is this worth it

[sweet flax]

No

[sharp aurora]

should i use Trio for Kevin? Or should i use the trio with Husk?

[sweet flax]

What other units do you have

[charred cloud]

can always just split the team up

[sweet flax]

More specifically p2 units

[charred cloud]

HTR with a ice team on flower and HoO main dps with HFI dkey for kebin.

[sweet flax]

Hard to split trio unless you're doing hoo dps, but then what other team would want hotr

Either way they could have units like rs or a strong p2 option, better to wait and see when they reply

[charred cloud]

RS is looking real strong here

[sharp aurora]

i already used HoHe and Thelma for the Ice boss

[sweet flax]

i spoke too soon

[sharp aurora]

bcs i thought it had more than 5 stages

[sweet flax]

Do you have gd?

[sharp aurora]

yeah, weapon, SSS and 2 Handel

[sweet flax]

You wouldn't run handel iirc anyways, especially not as a 2pc
And for hoo do you have 7t and zhenyi tb schro m, since that's what hoo dps tends to run nowadays

[sharp aurora]

i also have Turgenov, so i should split the trio HoO with eden for one boss, HoFi and HoTr for the other?

[sweet flax]

Hoo needs hofi as a support

Since her new set has hoo buffs

And hofi is not that good of a dps outside trio

[sharp aurora]

HoO, HoFi and Eden and for the other one HoTr main dps, Sushang and Kira?

[sweet flax]

Ye you can try that, but use the practice mode first to get a rough idea of how the teams work

[sharp aurora]

alright! thank you

[abstract sequoia]

@silent stirrup alright, dorm supply pulls are always a bad idea

[silent stirrup]

How come?

[abstract sequoia]

only old stuff is in there that's long out of meta and many years old

[faint crypt]

tldr: its a waste

only use for dorm pulls is when there are spending events going on

[silent stirrup]

I mean, I've got mono-Lightning with Boltstorm, Fischl, Perdition for some content, and it's at least fun to me

[faint crypt]

but youre using for tickets that youve amassed over tiem

[amber finch]

and its dogshit

if you care abt the meta that is

[faint crypt]

oh wow ches lives

[abstract sequoia]

if you're fine with just playing casually, there's no problem with that. but from a meta perspective, pulling on dorm supply to achieve this is terrible

[faint crypt]

then again i havent been active here either

[amber finch]

i’ve been alive for like a month smh

[silent stirrup]

...Would mono Fire Sparkle, Absinthe, Chrono Navi be considered dogshit as well

[sweet flax]

Even for a casual its redundant,

[faint crypt]

the slacc is getting to me

[amber finch]

yes

[abstract sequoia]

not to mention that you need weapon for all of those to be good

[amber finch]

dont apply genshin/hsr knowledge to hi3

[faint crypt]

dont try to build mono element teams

[sweet flax]

Replace ma with coralie and it's a functional team

[abstract sequoia]

and their signature stigma

[amber finch]

not anything mono = good

it doesnt work like that

[abstract sequoia]

um

[silent stirrup]

Well, the good news is

I have Sparkle's weap and full Stigma set

[abstract sequoia]

i think that's a bit misleading ches

p1 teams certainly worked like that

with some later exceptions

[sweet flax]

Then use coralie who's weapon is free and stigs are craftable as her support

[amber finch]

only phys teams worked like that wdym
the rest had hotr plastered all over them

oh and ice i forgot abt ice

[abstract sequoia]

thats a later exception

same with AE

[amber finch]

if we count even earlier then phoenix

[sweet flax]

Lightning was mono lightning tbf, unless you're talking way back

[silent stirrup]

So, what should I do as F2P then? I haven't touched P2 content outside of ER and Adventure Tasks yet because I wanna finish the P1 story

[abstract sequoia]

wait phoenix too? okay nvm then

[amber finch]

yeah

[abstract sequoia]

[charred cloud]

Mono element teams didn't really exist until like late v4 into early v5 updates

[amber finch]

dalao back me up les go

i win time to bean you all from this channel

[autumn oxide]

!faq ches

[charred cloud]

and even then it was lightning and phys who could stand alone. Ice/Fire were borrowing since they lacked either A. Breach support or B. SP support :)

[sweet flax]

Adventure tasks are irrelevant to the story, and technically sakura samsara which is one of the adventure open worlds is one of the first events story wise

[amber finch]

anyways the tldr is basically save a ton of crystals

[sweet flax]

You should be doing them

[silent stirrup]

o

[autumn oxide]

if we go even earlier then ss and dk

[amber finch]

do abyss/story/er/events/etc

[autumn oxide]

oh and bd holders

[amber finch]

abyss and er is important

[autumn oxide]

u say that yet u dont do abyss

[amber finch]

shuddup

[sweet flax]

Abyss slaccer gg

[amber finch]

ches exposed

[silent stirrup]

I do try and do Abyss every couple days

[charred cloud]

losing out on 1k a week if not more

[silent stirrup]

I struggle on the second tier though

[sweet flax]

Well seeing the teams you listed, sorry if I come off as rude but

Ye that makes sense

[silent stirrup]

Nah, if I had to compare the effort I put in between HSR and Hi3

[faint crypt]

is this pre-exalted abyss youre talking about

[silent stirrup]

I put in easily 10x more effort on HSR

[faint crypt]

or post

[sweet flax]

And that's why you never compare gacha games

Since they're not the same

[autumn oxide]

abyss opens twice a week for 3 days, mon-wed and fri-sun. check #⏰notification for when they open (off my head, sea opens at 3pm, eu at 10pm and na at 4am the next day, gmt+8)

[amber finch]

i want that ss spork

[sweet flax]

Eu 10 pm huh (didn't see gmt+8 mb)

Its 3pm server time

[silent stirrup]

So, should I be building supports around a DPS of the DMG Type for the Abyss cycles?

[sweet flax]

Yep, and newer units serve double functionality as dps and supp which makes them easier to build teams around

[autumn oxide]

u shd be getting new valks on release (and their gear. sig gear isnt optional here) and slowly expand ur roster till u can tackle the abyss stages

[sweet flax]

Generally speaking 1 dps 2 supports

[amber finch]

dont backpull like ram said btw

[autumn oxide]

u shdnt build old charas (as in spending xtals on them) at all

[silent stirrup]

I cleared today with my mono-Lightning team, though I cut it pretty close with the timer on Floor 10

This sounds like swiping is pretty mandatory then

[faint crypt]

its not

[sweet flax]

Not at all

[amber finch]

it isnt

[autumn oxide]

u can spend other resources on it but tbh ask first

[amber finch]

you’re just bricking yourself really hard with how you play the game

[autumn oxide]

im completely f2p

[sweet flax]

You just need to know which valks to roll and skip

[abstract sequoia]

Trust me, run a team with Sparkle/Coralie/Helia and you clear all

[amber finch]

like im talking you’re choosing the hardest route possible

[autumn oxide]

im on one of the more populated servers too, ive hit nirv and myriad before

[amber finch]

using random old ass teams that have 0 synergy while you have ss sparkle

[sweet flax]

Ss sparkle????

[amber finch]

yes

[abstract sequoia]

yes SS sparkle

[sweet flax]

And you're using dpe

[faint crypt]

t1 ma when

[amber finch]

i can prove it by using helia to solo f10 um lmao

[silent stirrup]

So

...Am I effectively playing Hi3 on Soulslike difficulty with how I'm teambuilding T-T

[amber finch]

basically

[abstract sequoia]

yes

you pulled SS sparkle

for beginner content, you can bruteforce everything with just a team built around her

[silent stirrup]

Oh god lmao, I have to tell my girlfriend this then, because she did the same thing with her HSR account until I fixed it

[autumn oxide]

hi3 is very different from the other hoyogames

[abstract sequoia]

yeah it's like never optimizing for anything in HSR and then wondering why you're stuck on Argenti or Aventurine in the story

[autumn oxide]

i dont rly play the rest but afaik the weaps arent really a must most of the time there. this isnt the case for hi3

farmable options are simply inferior on all counts

[amber finch]

that -50% dmg means nothing btw, the enemies’ hp are paper compared to what a 4/4 ss sparkle can dish out

[autumn oxide]

some valks cant even function with the farmable alternatives

[faint crypt]

all in or bust

[silent stirrup]

So

How do I get Coralie's hammer? Is it that weekly gear I can get for 30k asterite?

[amber finch]

p2 story

[sweet flax]

P2 story

[silent stirrup]

...How far into P2 story

[faint crypt]

thats how you refine it

[amber finch]

that box is for upgrading the hammer

i forgorer

it’s been like 7-8 months since p2 came out

[sweet flax]

First 2 rewards are cora + wep

[faint crypt]

its been over a year

[amber lintel]

these are most of my characters after getting badum's weapon should I just save? note that I have HoHE full gear on her new set

[sweet flax]

20 mins-ish

[amber finch]

wait whar

ohamaga

[amber finch]

well yeah, nothing else to pull for

dont get hofi from adv

[abstract sequoia]

by doing the p2 story that the beginner manual told you about

[amber lintel]

thought so, do we know anything about next patch or not yet

[amber finch]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[abstract sequoia]

part 2 chapter 1

[amber finch]

nuh uh

[abstract sequoia]

yuh uh

[amber finch]

https://tenor.com/view/jinki948-cat-disappear-funny-cat-cat-cute-cat-gif-22510474

[abstract sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-cute-animal-fidget-spinner-gif-17483554

@silent stirrup also, if you're worried about spoilers, i played bit around on an alt account to see what the minimum to-do is to unlock her there #👶beginner-help message

[silent stirrup]

Oooh, gotcha gotcha!

[abstract sequoia]

i'm a lore person myself, so ik how you feel

[silent stirrup]

Also I'm doing the story rn and omg

Animated cutscene with Helia and Coralie and the FRAMING

[abstract sequoia]

dont worry though, the early p2 chapters are it's own thing in the story, building up a new character cast

only end of ch3 is where it connects into p1 and p1.5

[abstract sequoia]

yeah it's totally peak

i started when p2 came out, so this is my first big exposure to the game

[silent stirrup]

I love this oh my god

Okay clearly I need to blitz the P1 story also because I just finished Chapter 8 and the PAIN

[abstract sequoia]

i will not spoiler anything, but prepare for peak in the next chapter

and onward

it's a wild ride for sure

[dry python]

[edgy pasture]

What is this energy thing for?

[faint crypt]

resource conversion

[edgy pasture]

How?

[faint crypt]

bottom right

[dry python]

!faq energy

[small willow]

Energy

I got this, Captain!

Energy is used to get a bonus +100% Asterite when refining materials (Equip > Materials > Refine > Asterite).

About Energy:

• Do not actively try to spend it when it hits max, it is fine to let it cap.
• Do not ever refine without using Energy.
• You recover Energy by completing BP missions.
• Ideally, do not refine materials unless you have plenty of them (200+ at least).
• You may sell excess SS Imaginons after obtaining Theresa: Gluttony (T) - keep a few hundred to be safe!

[scenic ivy]

Is hersscer of thunder good?

[frozen crypt]

Not anymore

S0 Luna beats SSS HoT

That doesn't mean luna is good btw just giving some context

If you have a really strong, geared team for HoT you could probably use her to retain redlotus abyss in some weathers but its a lot of investment for an old valk, it'd only be worth building her if you just really like her and play with a more casual approach to the game

[scenic ivy]

Ok,thx :)

[frozen crypt]

If you do decide to go ahead with her anyway she needs 7T, Handel set, and SS1 if not SSS

[autumn oxide]

if ure asking because of 7t in bp, yea u shd get it

7t is a dkey meaning it gives u +10 atk and thats impt

[ancient needle]

Not immediately noticeable, but it does add up with other dkeys

[round pebble]

for the current redlotus final stage, which team should I pick? I don't have a properly built physical dps team

[ancient needle]

Without Phys you cry tbh
HoHE should be best

[round pebble]

at this point in my account, physical is the only element I'd say I am currently without

[ancient needle]

Any P1 teams of note? LV should be pretty good

[round pebble]

I do have HoRb, HoS but neither are well built

[ancient needle]

Only she from P1 is considerable really

No RS or TA is gg anyway

[round pebble]

abbreviation translate?

[ancient needle]

R||ead the glo||S||sary||

[round pebble]

where

[ancient needle]

In the pins here

I assumed you know alr

[round pebble]

I must be dumb

[sweet flax]

Holy fuck why is sk shield so fucking unbreakable

[round pebble]

my TA only S rank and no good gear and no RS at all

[sweet flax]

No jds? You can brute force with her

[round pebble]

lemme just find that in the dictionary

[sweet flax]

jovial deception, I'll give you this freebie

[round pebble]

theres another underlying issue; Idk who that is

[ancient needle]

Songque valk

[round pebble]

ahh

yeah I dont like her? I skipped

[sweet flax]

BTW teammate does ta have shield break on her signature stigs or is weapon enough

[sweet flax]

take the L

[round pebble]

p2w game fr fr

smh my head

[ancient needle]

She does have shieldbreak on stigs

On M iirc?

[sweet flax]

Oh no wonder I can't break shields

[sweet flax]

P2w = I don't pull

Just unlucky tbh

[round pebble]

the worst part about not having proper physical dps is that I dont have proper supports either so I'll be cooked no matter what

[sweet flax]

You pulling next patch?

[ancient needle]

Well, you do have P2 supps for P2 Phys

[round pebble]

who? Vita is my only guess cus she is literally in EVERY squad I have I swear

[abstract sequoia]

everyone who provides physical and crit buffs

[ancient needle]

Vita Thele for Songque
Badum + smth for RS

[abstract sequoia]

which most p2 valks do

[sweet flax]

Wait till next few patches when they release vita premium for another ring

[round pebble]

oh I see

[abstract sequoia]

you usually see the physical buffs on p2 gear

[round pebble]

imma just hope that some new phys dps p2 character comes around

[abstract sequoia]

mayhaps

[ancient needle]

||Next patch lah||

[sweet flax]

Ye... I'm sure something like that would be in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins about now

Who knows tbh

[ancient needle]

[round pebble]

can I see upcomign stuff soemwhere

[sweet flax]

BROTHER I JUST TOLD YOU WHERE

[ancient needle]

Mf backpulls but doesn't backread

[abstract sequoia]

#👶beginner-help message

[round pebble]

AM SORRY I GOT GOLDFISH ATTENTION SPAN

[sweet flax]

Astaghfurallah this fkn gacha player and illiteracy

[round pebble]

[abstract sequoia]

only this player?

[amber finch]

me when i the when the

[abstract sequoia]

i mean it's me too many times now

[sweet flax]

All of us, but them right now specifically

[round pebble]

what can I say im one of a kind

[ancient needle]

That's an insult to goldfish

[abstract sequoia]

the irrationial kind

[dry shadow]

Hi can someone explain what is augmented ascension and what does it do?

[ancient needle]

It means that the valk is in SO state

[round pebble]

my one braincell is working a two-person job and still is taking an hour breaks every day

[ancient needle]

Which means you get SO buffs

[sweet flax]

Your brain cell is also fighting for 3rd place (jk)

Anyways back on topic, cn channel has future version info

Up to 4 weeks later though since that's how far ahead they are from us

[round pebble]

yay

[dry shadow]

Mhm, got it

[ancient needle]

For example, it's clearly visible if you put Songque in a LoA team

[sweet flax]

Anything not in cn and you find on places like reddit is most likely leaks or fake so avoid mentioning them here

[dry shadow]

So like that glowing purple circle around the valk icon after I use SO in loa?

[ancient needle]

She'll be golden for 6 secs or until you ult and then turn green

[dry shadow]

Ohhh, that

Okay

[abstract sequoia]

would help if more valks have those clear indicators

but then the passive icon will still tell you

above the hp bar

[round pebble]

in all honesty I shouldve skipped the Vita skin I dont think I'll have enough to get all the stuff for the next character

couldve saved so much

[abstract sequoia]

too late now

[round pebble]

BUT THE ELDRITCH MECHA

[abstract sequoia]

always have to consider what you're missing out if you go for that

[ancient needle]

Mid tbh 🗿

[amber finch]

honestly its mid

[abstract sequoia]

yeah the skin didn't catch me either

[ancient needle]

Holy shit ches is based

[amber finch]

the skin is nice but the mech is mid

[ancient needle]

Nvm

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/look-fabolous-the-young-og-project-gaze-stare-gif-17345947

[amber finch]

the skin is not mind blowing

[round pebble]

fight me, its the other way around

[amber finch]

its just nice at best

[abstract sequoia]

nah

[shadow gyro]

just keep that in mind next time
outfits and reruns won't benefit you much
and aops if you're rl or lower

[amber finch]

its like decent for a 4* skin

[round pebble]

will do

[sweet flax]

Yall need glasses, but that's just an opinion in the end

[round pebble]

but uhhh 8.2 is a bit far away from now should it not be? 8.1 was gonna be 9 weeks or so, no?

[abstract sequoia]

whats an opinion?

the skin stuff? yea

[sweet flax]

Ye the skin stuff

[amber finch]

luna’s skin tho? now thats a 10/10

totally not biased towards lubern

da’s cny skin is a 100/10 tho

[abstract sequoia]

or the interesting camera angles in the trial

[thick bolt]

ye 9 weeks, next update on 24th April

[amber finch]

i’d give vita’s skin like ehhh 3 or smt

[sweet flax]

Da is 20000/10 already

[amber finch]

not my taste

it doesnt even fit the name

[round pebble]

still got 3.75 characters to clear in shallow sequence, make a wish, blood moon fades and performance test crystals to get, not to mention all the weekly/daily crystals up until that patch

[amber finch]

eldritch and not a single lovecraftian thing in it

[shadow gyro]

yeah but that gives you even more of an opportunity to catch up on saving
if you can keep up the progress atp you can afford 2 4/4 valks in a row (at some point)
also be mindful that hoyo might pull out a new s rank + new dkey if they keep up with the current pattern

[sweet flax]

Technically the mech...

[thick bolt]

zipper

[abstract sequoia]

make sure to check the crystal sources guide in pins, especially the spreadsheet. helps a lot with the math

[amber finch]

zip it

shut

[covert delta]

what team can i make for this

[sweet flax]

Sorry ill defend vita till I die

[abstract sequoia]

also i would've pulled the skin if it wasn't golden and more lovecraftian colors

[shadow gyro]

for abyss?

[abstract sequoia]

i rest my case

[covert delta]

this

[amber finch]

for abyss? ehhhhhh you can try hoh ig, it’s not gonna be fun

[shadow gyro]

yeah...

[round pebble]

also got 9100 crystals now, 5 character tickets, 16 equipment tickets so maybe I should be somewhat hopeful before I dig my grave

[amber finch]

chat what’s mini dudu’s actual battlesuit name again i forgorer

[ancient needle]

(HoHE Vita Thele to be exact)

[amber finch]

do not refer me to the fucking pin

[ancient needle]

Reign Solaris

[amber finch]

ily teammate

[abstract sequoia]

better than my savings

[round pebble]

[covert delta]

do i so or no

[abstract sequoia]

i'm fine tho

[amber finch]

i mean its literally your only option

[ancient needle]

Ofc you do, that's where the damage is

[abstract sequoia]

maybe its not a day 1 pull but you might get it done

[round pebble]

also chat when or for what purpose would we be able to level past 88?

[amber finch]

its either that or cope with a bad badum team

[shadow gyro]

good progress, keep up
you can ask again when 8.2 drops

[amber finch]

and deal no dmg

[abstract sequoia]

the leveling system is obsolete anyway

[ancient needle]

We ain't getting beyond lvl 88 wdym

There's literally no point

[round pebble]

just curious cus it seemed obsolete since like forever

I just hate that it stopped on 88 and not 90 or 100

eyesore

[ancient needle]

88 is a lucky number in China iirc

[round pebble]

ah I see

[abstract sequoia]

it's like in other hoyo games. once you get the highest difficulty level unlocked, no point in going further

[amber finch]

if it were 44 then the game would be ded by now

[shadow gyro]

[round pebble]

ah thats fun

[abstract sequoia]

if only that'd help our pulls

[round pebble]

aight time to try and fail miserably fighting physical based enemy in abyss with my hohe team

[shadow gyro]

i don't think there's any gain after breaking through at level 80(or 81?) anyways

[sweet flax]

8.8 trust

[ancient needle]

Just extra stamina pots for each level

And then EXP to coin conversion after 88

1:54 ratio

[ancient needle]

(and extra stamina cap before it was changed)

[blissful phoenix]

Every single one of these valks are in war treasury right

Kinda wanna pick one for er crystals tho

[sweet flax]

except silverwing but you own her yes

[ancient needle]

Yes (except SW)

[amber finch]

8.8 = everyone gets 8.8 coins

[ancient needle]

Have you alr checked the first pin here?

The second actually

[abstract sequoia]

still can't get over the CAPTAINNNNNNNN!

[blissful phoenix]

How could you say that your account is "established" what's the bar for an established account?

[calm kernel]

big pack of crystals is 8080

[sweet flax]

able to properly retain in higher tiered abysses

[abstract sequoia]

a diverse and up-to-date valk roster

[sweet flax]

more specifically redlotus

[ancient needle]

If you insist on picking a valk then go for HoFs

The newest addition to WT (so won't be discounted to AW anytime soon), is in ER + has a Stress Test

• costs 640 AL compared to some that cost 500

S3 HoFs also has some SS MA strats, but they require P1 valks

[round pebble]

nahhh im cooked 💀 I gotta try something else Hohe aint doing nuff on this abyss

[ancient needle]

Lemme try in Nirv 💀

[abstract sequoia]

unironically, do thelema lead

[ancient needle]

Ayo wtf

[amber finch]

yeah i forgot to mention, hoh is really really sad

like depressing

[abstract sequoia]

sounds like the best hopium copium strat without physical

[round pebble]

[ancient needle]

Try Vita or trio then

[amber finch]

unless your hoh is ss1+

[ancient needle]

Other options will be worse, I can promise you

[abstract sequoia]

my argument is timestop

[round pebble]

gonna try trusty trio

[sweet flax]

what else would one use on ta 😭

[abstract sequoia]

also AR regen through evas

[amber finch]

anything but that

[abstract sequoia]

paganini

[amber finch]

all the buffs would run out the moment she’s done with her rotation

[sweet flax]

:\

overtime t fhm mb?

[amber finch]

are you that poor

[sweet flax]

only hos and horb have their gear

my p1 physical situation is 3/4 sad

[amber finch]

try looking for other obscure stigs that may have better buffs

[ancient needle]

5head, but you can do that with HoHE as well

Cuz Thele still is on the team

[abstract sequoia]

right

[ancient needle]

It's just a different flavor of more damage from ult

In this case

[abstract sequoia]

well that and the fact your can actually farm AR from hua orbs

[ancient needle]

Yeah, ofc

[abstract sequoia]

and the energy brick walls

very aggressive boss tbh, it'd be perfect for thelema if not for the physical shield and elem resistance

[round pebble]

trio definitely saved me time which is nice but 454 is still shite, im being dropped out of redlotus 100% lol

[ancient needle]

Yeah, you just cry this cycle tbh

[abstract sequoia]

how does your leaderboard look like?

[amber finch]

thel would prob t1’d it with all the ari farming lmao

[abstract sequoia]

like what's the cutoff for retain

[round pebble]

454 is what I had when the boss had 4 layers of HP left on my Hohe attempt 💀

[ancient needle]

Maybe you can squeeze out 600 with HoHE if you do the evade spam, but sounds unlikely tbh

[abstract sequoia]

[ancient needle]

Sounds like you aren't playing the team correctly

Describe what you do rq

Outside of SO

[amber finch]

what the

even my bad hoh run with a ton of staggers wasnt even that bad

[shadow gyro]

try recording the run if u can
u can send it on yt and link here

[amber finch]

fyi outside of so its basically thel dps

[abstract sequoia]

with nitro you have 500mb on discord

can just directly upload here

[ancient needle]

(you still do some stuff on HoHE, but it's mainly Thele's time)

[lime talon]

i think my sw isn't doing much dmg

[amber finch]

dont waste too much of your time with hoh and esp dont ult with her

[round pebble]

aight I'll do that in a bit, imma look like a dumbass

[round pebble]

only astral thingy eh?

[amber finch]

yeah

[abstract sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/elysia-herrscher-of-human-honkai-impact-honkai-impact3-gif-27111239

[amber finch]

switch hoh in when its time for so

[abstract sequoia]

kinda sad, no more of this

[round pebble]

otherwise its thelema stuff?

[sweet flax]

in rl? 550 is a more realistic score tbh

[amber finch]

yeppers

[round pebble]

how do u properly do thelema her like tokens thingies feel like a chore to play around

[sweet flax]

3 basic > weapon skill > hold weapon (if in the air do hold atk instead of hold weapon) x2

ofc if you want to apply buffs properly you have to ult before MoI

keep in mind thel immediately gets 6 stacks when SO finishes

[amber finch]

immediately moi when so finishes because vita’s breach is still up

[abstract sequoia]

aw man, I always did basic > wa > hold wa > basic > hold wa

on ground, mid-air I made sure to hold BA after WA

[sweet flax]

there's different ways to do it, that's more or less the more general way

some rots may require otherwise

[abstract sequoia]

oh alright, so my method isn't necessarily wrong

[sweet flax]

ye, I vaguely remember on jds sd boss for example, you'd hold weapon > ult > weapon > hold weapon > MoI

[abstract sequoia]

how about alternating between air and ground? I remember reading something about getting more damage if you do that

[ancient needle]

You hWA'd there to ani cancel the hWA and to get closer

[lyric tusk]

yo is this even possible 😭

[amber finch]

youtube

[ancient needle]

Yes, check how to play her on YT

[shadow gyro]

yes check the guide in pins

[lyric tusk]

k bet

[ancient needle]

Or that, ye