👶beginner-help

[sweet flax]

all the details are there, feel free to ask ||IN SPOILER TAGS|| if unsure on anything

its cn beta, so talking about it in the cn channel is fine

[quick birch]

Everything that is publicy announced to CN from hoyoverse, beta also counts as one of them but only once it enters V2. V1 beta isnt public and people aren't allowed to share footage of that. Once beta enters V2 they are. Just check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins once in a while everything in there is what we are allowed to discuss. Although you have to spoiler this info here since it's not announced to global yet

[haughty elbow]

just make sure its open beta and not leaks

[sweet flax]

if you want to ask questions about it here it has to be spoiler tagged

[frail tartan]

why can’t i use blastmetal?

[haughty elbow]

p1 story

soon u cant use any chars

[narrow heron]

Ok got it thanks for the clarification

[frail tartan]

huh

[raw hamlet]

Does the pinned asterite priority fragment recommendations still hold true today for new players? It's from a year ago so just wanted to check

[haughty elbow]

its updated when it needs to be

[raw hamlet]

ah okie, thanks

[maiden garden]

isnt she part 2 though

[quick birch]

Yeah, that's why you can't use her in p1 Story

[maiden garden]

oh i thought she meant she isnt a good character i misunderstood sorry !

[narrow heron]

How can I farm Valkerie exp as efficient as possible, are expeditions worth it for them or coins?

[maiden garden]

whats your level ?

[narrow heron]

82

[narrow heron]

Is there something that gets unlocked for 80+ levels for that?

[uncut agate]

should i get alladin B or alladin M froim the bp

already have cezane B tohugh

[wintry wharf]

M is more useful imo

[spiral badge]

those sets aren't really that interchangable and have very different purposes.

Do you already own other aladdin pieces?

you don't have to pick right now either

we should have vintage shop next patch at worst

and the upcoming valk does have ||bleed properties|| if you want to hold out for any niche or budget comps

although it's highly unlikely it'll be notable generally since p2 stigs are craftable

[uncut agate]

im just getting it since i already have the bp
already got susannah weap and aladdin T

[spiral badge]

i assume you reviewed all the effects already or should i review that?

cezanne B applies a total damage taken debuff with combo attacks which other valks besides SI can use. Mainly notable for memorial arena SS strats which aren't important.

• SI herself is a physical support that applies bleed but at this point is several generations behind TA, CE, and new durandal.

Aladdin B is just a personal damage buff for bleed dps. Not really interchangeable. B piece has a debuff effect on enemies so that can help the team too.

3pc has mainly personal effects suitable to vq dps (along with sp restoration that vq desires. Just bringing this up but you don't seem like you can get 3pc)

• even if you can get 3pc, beware VQ as a dps is ||looking to be largely replaced|| next patch. Check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins for details.

Aladdin M has team supportive effects hence why daniel brought it up earlier. M also offers higher bleed trauma that can save a few ticks against vill-v's final bleed trauma meter. Bleed vill-v should be upcoming soon.
2pc also offers supporting effects too.

Note that M provides physical buffs while B helps bleed damage. Bleed modifiers are afaik separate in calculations and are more rare

wait hang on i think i misread something

[uncut agate]

i mean i dont really have a bleed comp ready just susannasweapon that i got offrate way before and aladin T from the bp
im getting the set mostly because nothing else interested me from the current bp and i just wanted to get the one that would maybe potentially be useful

[spiral badge]

right but i'm trying to cover the finer differences of these pieces so you understand the potency of each of them

i actually think i would lean towards b since it has a bleed multiplier on it.

The actual ideal is to get MB and some other T piece (usually overtime T or gluttony T. You see these on horb or eden for vq or lv dps respectively)

ok sorry for all the messy edits but i think it should be cleared up by now

[uncut agate]

ill just get M for now and ill see if i can get B later

[spiral badge]

you don't have to pick now

unless you identify a specific needed use right now

why commit when the future can potential call for the other one?

we can also discuss other options in the bp shop too

[uncut agate]

doesnt the current bp end after this one

[spiral badge]

again there should still be a vintage shop

if you're going after a valk or elf then you would need to pick now

but gears should still be available to pick next patch

you can try asking in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion to verify

[uncut agate]

yeah im just gonna finish susannah and then see what the new BPs will have when it drops

[spiral badge]

anyway again keep in mind m has only a phys buff while b has the bleed debuff

do you already own 7t?

because that is the actual highest priority since it's a dkey

[uncut agate]

yeah i got it first

[spiral badge]

how about horb and hotr stigs?

mainly hotr. T and B can rarely be used on other valks including part 2 teams

[uncut agate]

my only real p1 team is hohe team so no real use for her

so far i have every p2 except teri

[spiral badge]

beware hohe p1 has been obsoleted vastly with her new divine key giving her p2 functionalities

well in that case, teri is actually the rare exception that uses hotr T and B to support WoD dps

but other valks are more optimal nowadays usually

[uncut agate]

yeah teri is the only p2 i dont have including the DLC keys

[spiral badge]

oh sorry i misread

so you don't have teri and the dkeys including hofis?

yeah i guess hotr stigs aren't as notable then. I think in beta, sena can opt for hotr T and B too but i never seen it in practice after some adjustments in beta

[uncut agate]

i have the DLCs

[spiral badge]

so i guess we can move on from that then. Going back to aladdin you may also want to evaluate based on what M and B off sets you can use instead

wait so you have hohe and hofi dkeys?

[uncut agate]

yeah

the only thing i dont have from P2 is teri and lanterns weapon that refused to come in time for like 2 banners now

[spiral badge]

ok you can prob disregard hohe p1 team completely for future reference

that confused me alot but i think i understand now

in that case keep in mind next abyss weather does emphasize herrscher trio

so you may consider hotr's stigs if you're missing them. T and B are the main pieces

[uncut agate]

ill just use a p2 team like always

[spiral badge]

but trio is the part 2 team with hofi dkey

[uncut agate]

yeah but the other 2 arent so im just gonna run full p2

[spiral badge]

hm ok

some people are wondering if the recent durandal would fare well and on lower tiers it's prob ok

i do think you should try to keep your options more open for now though

[celest shard]

Is there anything worth going after in the exchange shop if I already have the divine keys from there?

[spiral badge]

aladdin in my eyes has more unique niche potential with its bleed multipliers (also why i personally am leaning B over M)

but trio is an established p2 team that is possibly more useful (albeit still niche, and uphill to compete with since they are popular and veterans prob have ranks)

you may want to hold out and see if other trio stuff becomes more available esp with the upcoming ||bp changes|| (can check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins)

[spiral badge]

possibly niche stuff, mainly for MA which isn't important. I would encourage you being conservative with it still in case you ever care

[celest shard]

Got it, was debating looking at stigmata. Have the crafted sets for Ice and Handel, was thinking maybe grab the fire one

[spiral badge]

if you want some examples, it can be

• thundering kikaku pistol (there was some recent hoo dps strat that uses it with klein elf iirc)
• eluidnir cross (ss phys strats. i only saw this once on a delta bb ch team iirc)
• blood dance (albeit possibly replacable nowadays)

oh you said the divine keys so i honed on weapons

crafted sets?

[celest shard]

I mean in general exchange sorry

[spiral badge]

willows?

[celest shard]

That’s the ice one

[spiral badge]

because crafted can mean ana too

[celest shard]

I was drawing a blank on the name

[spiral badge]

i don't really recommend pursuing them generally when they're outdated/niche at this point

[ancient needle]

It could be Peary too

[spiral badge]

just keep a stock of resources so you can flexibly pick up any when it's relevant to you

[celest shard]

But they likely won’t be unless they decide to add older valk sets there. 😦

[spiral badge]

they prob will add more in the future

all the more reason to be conservative

[celest shard]

I’m sitting on like 16k of the stigma mat

Got it

[spiral badge]

that's not much tbh

you're 2k away from a 3pc

[celest shard]

Almost enough for a full set

Yeah

[spiral badge]

anyway as an example you can consider handel as a multipurpose lightning support and dps set

[celest shard]

I have Handel

[spiral badge]

but handel is also quite 3pc reliant (or some set can run a sole m piece)

and these limitations aren't compatible with schrodinger m

which is a very notorious piece that resets ult cooldown at a 50% rate

HoO recently highly abuses this since her ult deals direct damage to imaginary cores

[celest shard]

Hmm, interesting

[spiral badge]

bygone delieverance in SSS MA and bull in abyss iirc has made use of that piece

and so instead of handel people use zhenyi

where T and B are notable for dps and frees the m slot

not saying you should pursue these pieces specifically

but rather this is why i encourage you to be conservative and build up resources even if it feels bad that they are likely to remain largely unused

so you can be ready for significant niche situations like those when you can spare it

[spiral badge]

@uncut agate anyway jeanne regardless of my recommendations you're free to pick whichever you like as long as you're fully informed.

[copper pier]

is there a faq on suggested spend in dorm shop?

[spiral badge]

!faq wpc

[small willow]

Work Points Card

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

Work Points Cards are accumulated by completing Dorm Errands. Their income will scale with your Dorm Level. You can easily buy out the important items in the shop every patch if you do errands daily.

Spending Priority:

1. x2 Crystallums (unless you are in the final patch of a BP season and cannot get anything useful from BP shop).
2. x50 Einstein's Torus
3. x3 Dorm Supply Cards (prioritise higher if you need them for an ongoing spending event).
4. Asterite (only when you need it).
5. Dorm Gacha Type Gamma (purely to boost your dorm level if you are desperate to increase it).

[copper pier]

thanks!

would you say crystallums are still #1 if I'm under 10 so can be upconverted to the new permanents?

[spiral badge]

that's definitely a trickier situation

you can run the math if letting the crystallum convert to torus is more worth it. i never looked at that

but also you can convert up to 10 (but f2p can only get 5) crystallum from the future season back to this current one in vintage shop

[copper pier]

oh I thought up to 10 of the crystallum can be direct converted to the new crystallums - like a carry over

[spiral badge]

it's not forward

only backwards

this generally isn't recommended so potency of newer stuff is usually more preferred

[copper pier]

ohh okay ya I misread that on the 8.2 bp changes

[spiral badge]

but i wouldn't completely rule it out if your account is close to completing a set you can find notable uses in even if niche

but this will also be highly case by case if you want to elaborate

general advice is to let it convert to torus overall

i think i only really raised a possible general consideration for paganini m in the past but even that didn't age too well

[copper pier]

gotcha - awesome advice as always, thanks

speaking of end of bp stuff, there an honor chips faq?

[spiral badge]

not really i dont' think but you can look at the faq list in the pins in case there is

but overall it's get the supply card and then whatever else you need

if nothing else then get AW afterwards since that can be used for affix stabilizers that endgame players can never get enough of

but AW isn't a high priority esp if you're gated in maxing out your valks/gears atm

[frozen crypt]

!faq honor

[small willow]

BP Arsenal

Hey there, Captain!

'Honor Chips' are a currency earned as you progress the battle pass and they are used to purchase materials in the BP Arsenal - this resets on the first Monday of every patch just like BP itself.

Battle Pass Tier Difference:

• Vanguard BP: 2100 Honor Chips.
• Knight BP: 7950 Honor Chips.
• Paladin BP: 12150 Honor Chips.

Purchase Priorities:

1. Equipment Supply Card.
2. SC Metal-H2.
3. Buy other materials as you need them.
4. SS Imaginons.
5. Do not buy Valkyrie Gacha Eggs.

[frozen crypt]

Oh my discord lagged I think

Nvm

This will be obsolete soon but yea

Cuz theyre getting removed

[spiral badge]

oh ty lyo lol

[hot wyvern]

Whaaaaaaa

[spiral badge]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins as always

[dawn wadi]

I was wondering if my characters are any good..i came back after a few months, they're all (thel, vita, sena, helia, coralie) with their stigmata and weapons

Are any of them still meta

[vivid horizon]

I'd say thel vita sena coralie are still meta in certain weathers
helia is still fine in senatrio but it seems you don't have enough yet for two p2 teams so probably better to run sena vita thel for sena dps

[dawn wadi]

okay thank you

[ancient needle]

Thele Sena Vita for Thele DPS is BiS btw

Coralie is used only for Vita DPS if we're talking meta

(and you can't run that cuz no HoFi dkey)

[vivid horizon]

yep

not sure what your best two-team cope would be
maybe thele vita cora / sena helia RC, as pardo should fit better in a world star rotation than wheel, though you lose out on the resonance trigger damage

[celest shard]

Thel Sena Vita? I’ve still been running Thel Sena Lantern

[mental coral]

What is the difference between Ba-Dum! Fiery Wishing Star basic and Ba-Dum! Fiery Wishing Star jumping drums

For er

[haughty elbow]

lantern died 1 patch after release

[celest shard]

Nah, she’s worked great still.

[mental coral]

My poor girl lantern my favorite out of all part 2 characters

[haughty elbow]

she still works now

she just isnt and hasnt been the best

[raw hamlet]

Hey sorry, how fast do people usually finish the battle pass? Just wanted to know how much is realistic max for 30 days

[celest shard]

I’m already done with it minus the extra crates

Still not sure what to throw the crystals at.

Leaning towards Hare because I have her 4/4 from offrates.

[haughty elbow]

like 5 weeks

[celest shard]

But Alladin also tempting, and probably more useful.

Or do I get Project Bunny to 3*?

Too many choices.

[vivid horizon]

fyi next patch getting free elf selection box and (not free) phys bleed S-rank

[rigid spade]

Can someone help me? This game is so confusing...

[thick bolt]

Ask away, can't help without any info

[rigid spade]

That's the problem I'm so confused that I don't really know where to begin. I guess how do I make a team?

I got a few A-rank valkyries by following the starters tutorial, but idk if any of them will make a coherent team...

[thick bolt]

Team follow the structure of 1 dps + 2 supports

there are some though that is all 3 supports each doing damage and buffs

[rigid spade]

How do I know what is a support and what is a DPS?

[thick bolt]

Early on you can steamroll anything with HoV you get on day 2 login as you get familiar with the game

[haughty elbow]

read the kits

or play the tutorials

[digital pasture]

What's the soft pity for the valks in 90pulls guaranteed?

[rigid spade]

Okay, can I use the Swallowtail Phantasm and Starry Impression together?

One is physical damage, the other physical support it said

[thick bolt]

no official stats
user collected data does indicate it starts at 76+, do with that what you will
I won't recommend relying on it

[thick bolt]

works

[rigid spade]

Who can I add to that?

As a third?

[thick bolt]

Terminal Aide probably

doesn't matter much this early so you can go ham with experimenting

[rigid spade]

You mean this person?

[thick bolt]

what you can eventually aim for

[haughty elbow]

there is an official stat on kr server apparently

[ancient needle]

Very interesting

[thick bolt]

[ancient needle]

I've only seen the actual base rate for now

[ancient needle]

(0.9%, 1.5% is consolidated)

Ofc this assumes KR and other servers actually have the same rules, cuz iirc JP doesn't (didn't?) have the 10x pity

[frail tartan]

is she good? and how would i build her as a beginner

new account luck?

[thick bolt]

decent, stick with default weapon for now, put edison 3pc stigmata set on her once you get it

[thick bolt]

massive W, I suggest trying for her weapon since your account will be set if you get it

battlesuits kinda need their weapons to perform well

[frail tartan]

thank you so much

[frail tartan]

is it this one?

[thick bolt]

yup

[oblique imp]

What's the fastest way to get lvl 15 valk upgrade in er using lite

[lime talon]

how many ties did that take 😭

[frail tartan]

started playing a few days ago but wanted to restart cause i spent all the gacha currency and this was my second account

[lime talon]

started on sunday and only have 9k

[frail tartan]

20 pulls for theresa and 10 for kiana

[frail tartan]

my first account had bad luck

[lime talon]

which banner is theresa

[lime talon]

i aint gonna make another account... too much work

[frail tartan]

carnival smth B

i think

[frail tartan]

my other account is only lvl 30 smth, progressing at the start is really quick, i’ve been playing casually

[lime talon]

lmao im at like captain level 37 in 5 days... still poor on crystals

[wild bolt]

Is there a good website like game8 (for star rail), for hi3 team/character building?

[thick bolt]

eh nope

[wild bolt]

tragic

[thick bolt]

It's mostly sig gear or bust, not much room for variation unless you have specific setups but it's almost always cope

[ancient needle]

On the basic level it's just about matching the AR type of the DPS to the respective AR tags of the supports

[wild bolt]

sig?

[thick bolt]

signature or best in slot

[wild bolt]

ohhh okok

[ancient needle]

Except RoO, they have valk-specific rules

[ancient needle]

For BiS team comps just ask here

(keep in mind BiS can depend on the boss)

[thick bolt]

mhmm, game is mostly about using what you have thing.

[wild bolt]

oh and one more thing - is this post up to date on what skills to not unlock?
https://www.hoyolab.com/article/564283

[ancient needle]

Looks like a hella old guide, we don't have switch skills anymore

And no examples of skills not to unlock on even remotely new valks

[wild bolt]

ohh okok
so in that case, are there still skills i should avoid unlocking or upgrading?

oh okay!

[maiden garden]

is there anywhere i can look that shows youtube channels that have like up to date character guides

[ancient needle]

For non-ER guides specifically I know only about Cayjunn, and they post them on Hoyolab for the most part

ER guide is in the pins

A good source of DMG comparisons is Wyverein on YT

[ancient needle]

Ofc DMG is only one metric, it doesn't tell the whole story

[opal ingot]

Keebster fr fr

[copper pier]

wow just opened chapter 11 - this is a whole thing

will I ruin much if I do the new event before I get there?

[undone helm]

finallly, got senadina

really silly question if i got now senadina, should i focus first on leveling helia and coralie to SS or senadina first?

[calm kernel]

they are not mutually exclusive are they

[pallid horizon]

Can I clear abstinence with TA?
I don't know what I did wrong yesterday but when I reached floor 17th I had 1 HP and Homu king killed me instantly

I use TA because i find her easy and I memorize her combat a bit too well
And it's only to get the weekly xstal without thinking about using part 2 character (I only have Coralie and Helia, I'm not a meta player at all and I don't like the new characters, I just want Kiana but it's been almost a year since I played, and I don't want to restart a new account, I read all the guides btw)

[shadow gyro]

you did check the er guide yes?
and what gear is ur TA using? and what rank
you can use coralie, you can learn about her in tactic class and see er runs on yt to see what's her combo in er

the only thing that coralie wants is her hammer that you get a bit into p2

[outer spruce]

did you pick thorny crown when you did er?

[pallid horizon]

TA used
Thorny crown(i only need two signets so...)
Vill V signets (core 1)
Kevin signets (core 1)
Pardo (i don't remember if it was the core 1)
Griseo (shining like star)
And Eden(aria of gold)

[outer spruce]

thorny crown lowers your hp

[shadow gyro]

yeah

[pallid horizon]

...thank you

I didn't read it
It is a new thing?

[outer spruce]

basically thorny crown lowers your base hp by i think 1000 when you get a nexus signet

so basically the more you progress, they lower your hp gets

[shadow gyro]

i would suggest using #👶beginner-help message for what stuff to pick for er
if TA doesn't have her gear then do coralie instead

[pallid horizon]

My TA is 4/4 since she came out

For some reason I still can't get rid of her

I know I can get Coralie's weapon in game but I don't remember how

[shadow gyro]

that's fine
u can use the TA one
the only difference is that bf fighting you'll tick different buffs, the rest like signets and supports remain the same

[outer spruce]

from p2 chapter 1

[shadow gyro]

you need to process a little in the p2 overworld

[outer spruce]

it's one of the first rewards you get

[pallid horizon]

Wait is it
Blast hammer: blazing red?

[outer spruce]

yeah

[pallid horizon]

...

[shadow gyro]

as for stigmatas you can show what you have

[pallid horizon]

I HAD CORALIE 4/4 SINCE THE BEGINNING

[shadow gyro]

lmao

[outer spruce]

lol

[pallid horizon]

SHE'S LV 1

[shadow gyro]

😭

[pallid horizon]

OKAY I will try her

She deserves better

[quick birch]

she demolishes ER tbh

[shadow gyro]

at the very least you have the gear so it should be more than doable

[pallid horizon]

Yea, I should lever her up

Gonna at least unlock all the skills, I'm still SSS CE (I like using her, she's 4/4 too)

[quick birch]

for ER you dont need to level her

if you use her outside of ER yeah go ahead

[pallid horizon]

She may be useful for abyss if I can't clear with HORB

[quick birch]

shes a really good p2 pick in general since she can work as a cope option for every AR type

[pallid horizon]

I only have Theresa from pt2
But no weapon

[rigid spade]

Should I use those cards? Or do I save them?

[quick birch]

saving them isnt possible they will expire when carnival ends

just use the free cards on thele and dont spend any crystals

[rigid spade]

Oh, alright! Is either one better to get?

[quick birch]

Thele is your best choice but both are just a nice to have, qua teri is meh in general and thele also wants her weapon. Dont bother pulling weapons from either of them if you get lucky

[rigid spade]

Ah okay!

No lucky pull, I got a different version of Kiana twice.

These are my characters so far

[deft orbit]

what can i use for this?

[shadow gyro]

what valks do you have + mention if they have their sig gear

[deft orbit]

my roster i think is a little bricked....

[rigid spade]

Is it worth going for senadina or songque?

[deft orbit]

+origin SS0 4/4

anyone relevant has sig gear

[shadow gyro]

if you're a beginner just do the one pull for songque and that's it
if you wanna reroll then do it with songque

[deft orbit]

so uhh help

[rigid spade]

Wo only do the 1 forced pull that you have to do for the starter quests?

Otherwise don't pull?

[shadow gyro]

you can do songque, hohe, Sena for that boss
maybe sirin, sparkle, hotr for the second
and any for the third

[shadow gyro]

yes

[deft orbit]

ight cool ty

[rigid spade]

Then where is worth investing crystals in?

Is it like only that top banner?

[shadow gyro]

the battlesuit and equipment supply only

[deft orbit]

like this?

[shadow gyro]

yeah

[deft orbit]

ight ty

[quick birch]

Save up 16.8k crystals. After that you can dump excess pulls onto kianas (FWS) banner. Always keep 16.8k in case you get lucky you can gurantee the weapon

[deft orbit]

how do u play it tho

[rigid spade]

Ah, okay! So for now I should keep saving until someone I like comes along on those ones?

[quick birch]

Yeah dont feel forced to pull anyone you dont like

unless you want to pursue meta

[rigid spade]

I'll probably pull for whoever I really like

I liked that miss pink elf from the tutorial for the painter girl

[shadow gyro]

yeah
if you're competitive then i suggest checking the guides in pins to know if the new character is useful for you
if you're casual then there's no pressure but do try to at least get the valk with her weapon so she can perform properly
by having at least one good team you can bruteforce any content you need to deal with

[quick birch]

Miss pink elf is free from War treasury

[rigid spade]

Wait what?

[quick birch]

yeah, she also wont get a banner again

[rigid spade]

Oh, so I have to get her from there?

[quick birch]

yes

[shadow gyro]

songque's tactic class should suffice the only difference is that you're using hohe and all she wants to do is to enter via qte and use her wp then swap

[quick birch]

but as i said that is free and farmable

[rigid spade]

I see, I don't think I have that unlocked yet.

[shadow gyro]

its ok miss pink elf is permanently in that shop, you can get her in any time

[quick birch]

Yeah no need to rush it

[rigid spade]

Oh, that's great!

And there was another girl in that team

[deft orbit]

ight we did it

[rigid spade]

Hersscher of permanence iirc?

[olive ivy]

is there some kind of thing that can be done as f2p to level the dorm to more than 8 or it's just not possible?

[deft orbit]

farm war treasury valks

[quick birch]

There is no Herscher of permanence could you elaborate our describe her ?

[quick birch]

asterite valks also give dorm progression

Dorm takes time you will level up over time

[rigid spade]

Oh, Grey haired girl, had lots of red chains in her animations

[quick birch]

Herscher of sentience ?

She is also farmable in WT

[rigid spade]

That might be it haha

[olive ivy]

oh i think i wasn't clear, i meant the dorm building, the one you put beds and other stuff in

[rigid spade]

Oh, that's awesome! So I can just grind that team once I unlocked War Treasury?

[quick birch]

Yeah, im not sure if WT is level locked, you can check if you already unlocked it by clicking on supply choose shop on the left, there its found under Activity Shop.

The material to farm Herscher of sentience is level locked though you can aquire it through MA and abyss once you reach level 70. Before that its also obtainable through events

[rigid spade]

I can't see war treasury yet, I only see Armada terminal

[quick birch]

ig it is level locked then but it should unlock relatively early

[rigid spade]

I'll play more tomorrow haha, time to go to sleep now

[quick birch]

Yeah no need to rush take your time gn

[olive ivy]

(figured it out myself, didn't know i could research better stuff on blueprints to put in the dorms)

[pallid horizon]

now i remember why i hated kalpas 2 and bloody rose, Elysia killed me 4 times

coralie is good

[quick birch]

yeah shes really good in ER

[pallid horizon]

maybe i should use abstinence but i didn't do finality in ages

[quick birch]

really good for beginner since she is free and clear 2,25x easily with beginner friendly stigs.

[pallid horizon]

she's cool

[frozen crypt]

Next time use chaos control to get it under 10min fr

It'll get even easier when she's lvl 15 tbh

[pallid horizon]

yea

i should do more runs in lower difficult so i can lv her

[frozen crypt]

Spamming shroud and quitting the floor after the cat is a nice way to farm stuff

[naive pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992286931822059612/1342315640651780190/huh.gif

[sweet flax]

Going to f9 doesn't give more rewards than quitting on f8 (shop) unless you complete it

[pallid horizon]

ely keep killing me

what i'm doing wrong

[stuck vault]

dont pick ely

[pallid horizon]

which boss is better

[quick birch]

if you struggle with survivability you can try to leave out Kalpas, also ely is not required to claim the weekly rewards you only need to do it up to stage 17 iirc

[sweet flax]

ely is fine but if you keep dying to her you're more likely getting hit by her too much (lack of i-frames or skill issue in the dodge department can make the boss harder)

[pallid horizon]

i suck with dodging...probably is that

[rugged compass]

Aponia is easy

[sweet flax]

its wtvr, as mango said, not required for rewards anyways

[pallid horizon]

oki

[sweet flax]

tbh mobius is another easy one

[pallid horizon]

coralie is goated

she's now lv 12 in ER

I think one last run will max her

[sweet flax]

oh ye, what difficulty are you on

[pallid horizon]

finality

[sweet flax]

ye you defo dont need to do ely at all then if rewards are the goal, even 2.5x is enough

[pallid horizon]

i need to unlock ely's signet so i get the achievement

damn i have a lot to collect from my characters

[sweet flax]

ely signet? you can do that on shroud difficulty lmao

the one where you have to defeat her 12 times ye?

the 24 times is on abstinence difficulty minimum

[pallid horizon]

this one

[sweet flax]

if you have lite, you can just lite, take because of you and get 3 signets, end run and repeat

[pallid horizon]

it's easy, i do two floors and finalize

[sweet flax]

you dont need to complete a run, just obtain the signet

[quick birch]

not with lite signets only count when you defeat the first boss except the first ego signet

[pallid horizon]

i miss 1 from aponia too

[sweet flax]

but I still dont see why do finality if you're grinding runs

[pallid horizon]

...

[sweet flax]

eh?

[pallid horizon]

i'm bored, i haven't played in a year or more

[sweet flax]

fair enough, you do you lmao

[pallid horizon]

i do abstinence most of the time so i wanted to try finality

[quick birch]

to let signets count you either need to progress to the next floor in normal runs or defeat the first boss in light.

wait nvm i missremembered things

you only need to go to the next floor

https://discordapp.com/channels/418652140454674432/901268521181401108/1350887215508750519 ram tested when signet count a few days ago

me ban soon spreading missinfo

[ancient gale]

hey, I just came back to Hi3 after a 10 month-ish hiatus and I'm wondering if you guys have any recommendations on who should I pull for

[quick birch]

whats your current crystal count

[ancient gale]

3.2k

[quick birch]

what happend here wtf this looks like i had a stroke

[ancient gale]

but I haven't done any events or the story yet

[sweet flax]

honestly if they can get hofi dkey its a pretty decent account, but none of those units outside jds is relevant nowadays

[quick birch]

yeah is hofi dkey on equipment 2 or separate ADV equip

[sweet flax]

equipment 2

[ancient needle]

I don't think HoFi dkey is impactful enough to pull in their case

If they at least had another supp for Sena then sure

[haughty elbow]

helia

[ancient needle]

🧱

[haughty elbow]

its good in rl

[quick birch]

Its best to save tbh, you probably also have to skip 8.2 but that can change based on how many 1 time crystal sources you still have left. This account looks very developed so im assuming not much.

check crystal sources in pins for that

[ancient needle]

Actually, which valks out of these have their sig gear

[quick birch]

also whats your banner pity

[ancient gale]

60 pulls for a character and 59 for a weapon

[ancient gale]

songque, helia, coralie, sena, griseo, sirin, kira, promy, HoO and HoHe are 4/4

I've got the sig weapon for all the others except HoRB and susannah

[ancient needle]

So only 1 decent-ish team essentially

Eh, ig it's 2

[ancient gale]

oh I've got sushang with her sig wep too but no stigs

[ancient gale]

yeah I'm rly lost on which teams are actually good on part 2

[ancient needle]

Well, you don't have much, you can only do Songque Sena Coralie and Sena Helia Coralie

P2 teambuilding is essentially matching the AR type of the DPS (the leader) to the respective AR tags of the supports

[ancient gale]

HoHe got a new DK but most people I've seen said she's mid so I'm not sure whether I should pull for it or not
sparkle lantern and the new dudu are cool ig but again idk if they're worth the investiment

[ancient needle]

The train is gone for all of these

HoHE would be worth getting if you didn't miss her banner this patch

[ancient gale]

bruh

[ancient needle]

The value is not in HoHE DPS, but in her being able to support LoA and the unknown AR type

[quick birch]

imo just saving till you can guarantee valk+weapon which will probably be 8.3 is the way.

chasing badumm now without being able to afford her weapon is not really a good idea. you can do the discounted 10x once you have 16.8k crystals to guarantee the weapon if you get lucky but your pity is already decently build so im not too sure how much of a risk that would be.

[ancient needle]

It should be worth doing

Though the status of 8.2 is still unknown

[quick birch]

Ive linked you some guides to p2 team building before in gameplay help, do you have any questions regarding that. Just making sure because understanding p2 team building can be a bit overhelming but is important.

[ancient gale]

yeah I've read them

thank you btw, they were very helpful

[runic canopy]

Imo save

Probably too late for Badum, backpulling isn't wise too

[sweet flax]

you should read the last 20 messages they came to a conclusion

[ancient needle]

It took Amadeus 10 hours of doomscrolling worth of willpower not to say to pull HoFi's dkey

[runic canopy]

I know, but reinforcing is ok right

[runic canopy]

Omg HAHAHAHA

ok pull HoFi DKe-
^ joke

[tawny galleon]

Uhhmm i need help from this i only invite one yet i want to collect all this any returnees here?

20582391WF

[wispy aurora]

#invite-links-here

[tawny galleon]

Oh okay ty

[bright musk]

what does this mean

[quick birch]

when you press T you can pass the wall

[bright musk]

ohh

[fervent aspen]

So I’ve been grinding my acc I was lvl 28 yesterday now I’m 43

I also got herrscher of thunder and azure empreya in the same 10 pull

[quick birch]

Nice, i hope you didnt spend crystals on dorm though

[fervent aspen]

No I used the dorm tickets

Here’s my acc so far

[quick birch]

solid start, do you have kianas weapon ?

[fervent aspen]

Im working on getting it

I also got her M and B stigmata in a 10 pull

[quick birch]

Nice, if you feel like you have no idea where to get crystals check out crystal sources in pins

[fervent aspen]

Okie will do

I’ve been looking at character designs and I want lunar vow she looks so cool

[sweet flax]

I'm afraid that might take a little longer to happen (she isn't getting banners anymore) until she becomes farmable she'll most likely only be obtainable through paid methods such as ||the bp next patch||

[bright musk]

whats the best team for this one

Its the third world for the deep end of the sea chapter

[solar drum]

should i spending my green bp stuff on the 7 thunders katana

[sweet flax]

It's the best choice by a margin, unless you have a special case that you think has more priority over it

[solar drum]

doesn't the weapon have a passive buff

or its the type of buff i have to select to activate

[sweet flax]

It's a dkey

[quick birch]

its +10atk you just have to tune it

[solar drum]

is that extra atk buff worth buying

i don't have a lot of dkey activation buffs atm

and having a passive possibly helps

[quick birch]

+10 atk is the most valuable buff you can get from the BP it may not seem much but they stack

also we dont know when 7t will be available next time so

[solar drum]

is bp shop still the same in 8.3

[sweet flax]

its being changed in 8.2, so far all we know is both 8.2 and 8.3 will be different shops but you can access both

you can find this version's vintage shop next patch though

[quick birch]

also if you are interested in dkey buffs you might wanna check out the battlepass changes for 8.2 in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[solar drum]

looks like dkey buff is my choice

[raw hamlet]

For Theresa Gluttony relic, does the holder have to be the one on field/hitting for the candy spawning stack or is it team wide?

[ancient needle]

The owner doesn't have to be on the field but they should be the one hitting, yes

Relic 😭

[sweet flax]

maybe the honkai were the stars whose rails we made along the way

[raw hamlet]

alright, thanks for clarification haha

[rotund pasture]

Can someone help me with teams?

Prolly badum sonq hohe first boss

[sweet flax]

you can do that ye, second boss is gonna be a pain without bleed or ignite, so you can try herrscher trio (assuming they have their gear, kinda sucks kiana doesnt have her dkey but wtvr)

[fervent aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/love-live-falling-to-her-knees-drop-to-my-knees-fell-give-up-gif-16954256711239599817

[sweet flax]

its not hopeless, hoyo has given units for free multiple times so who knows 👀 (I dont wanna give you copium though, so dont count on it)

[junior knoll]

nice

[fervent aspen]

I’m also close to getting that outfit for the 30k crystals too so hopefully it’s sometime soon😭

[maiden garden]

im a returning player beginner (never gave this game a fair shot so im doing so now in hopes to catch up with all the hoyo launcher games) , is this worth pulling?

[quick birch]

kiana is a nice pick yes, but you first want to save 16.8k crystals and nevery go below that amount. Everything over that amount can be spend on kiana so that if you get lucky you can guarantee her weapon

[maiden garden]

all take note of that

[sweet flax]

I do want to let you know that unlike the other hoyo games, rewards and main content (aside story) is the competitive endgame, as in your rewards are determined by how you perform compared to other players

understand that the recommendations you will recieve in this channel will be tied towards the meta and as such might not be your preferred responses

[maiden garden]

understood

[pastel oyster]

Does HoRB still have use to this day ? I can only get her to S1 through spending event, would that be worth it ? I have most part2 valks so I rarely use part1 teams in abyss now

[glad helm]

Hi what’s thelemas best dps team?

[sweet flax]

very limited and niche use assuming a suitable weather runs by again ||with jds, rs and next patch sushang coming, she definitely wont have prio over physical weather||, also s1 horb gives horb nothing outside a slight increase to joint weapon damage, not worth it at all

[sweet flax]

vita and senadina preferably

[glad helm]

Is there a good replacement for vita

[runic canopy]

HoH ft. Stellar Key/Sena/Vita

[sweet flax]

generally speaking any unit with a wod tag can fit that spot

[runic canopy]

HoFi not Harmonized Shadow Star support

[sweet flax]

oh wait she doesnt have the tag?

[quick birch]

nope only WS

[runic canopy]

No, she only has OS and DR

[sweet flax]

idk why I thought she had both

actually coralie premium

[runic canopy]

Speedy Coralie

[sweet flax]

oh ye which abyss was today

[glad helm]

Can thelema Sena and coralie work?

[shadow gyro]

lantern turned into dust
on a serious note is lantern no longer a bis in any wod team?

[sweet flax]

yes, preferably in the future you would want another wod unit to replace coralie but that is fine for now

[quick birch]

flower

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/condestável-condestavel-wojak-doomer-wojak-scary-wojak-gif-12758665197812043739

[runic canopy]

She is good, just not no. 1 support in most cases

[shadow gyro]

i see

[runic canopy]

Esp cuz most ice bosses have fire resist

[sweet flax]

she is a good wod dps in her BiS

and in fire weather can be relatively competitive with other options assuming no bio enemies

but as a support ye no sena/vita and thel are just better wod supps

tft in beginner help is an interesting idea

[rotund roost]

oh

[sweet flax]

[rotund roost]

forgot to switch channels mb

[sweet flax]

you're chilling dw chief

[runic canopy]

in fire weather i'd just brute with trio
^ joke

[sweet flax]

bro might be a trio addict

[runic canopy]

I am since 2 yrs ago

[shadow gyro]

well i don't have lantern, sparkle or full trio so my current best option is fws

[sweet flax]

fws is very strong anyways

[slim blaze]

What im hearing is. Lantern skips rejoice?

[sweet flax]

imagine skipping lantern lmao

[slim blaze]

Thats me

[sweet flax]

how does it feel having a stable account with no major losses on skipping

I bet it feels nice doesnt it

[slim blaze]

I love it

Well. Except for qua weathers

HAHAH

[sweet flax]

no sparkle?

[shadow gyro]

lantern dodged me in every case when she was available so its a rejoice indeed

[slim blaze]

Skipped both sparkle and teri

[sweet flax]

💀

quantum is a shit element so fair 'nuff

[slim blaze]

A practical choice i assure you

[runic canopy]

Thats me (2)

[slim blaze]

TeriOp worth getting?

No crystals btw

[runic canopy]

I used to suffer in QUA but have 2 latest QUA valks now

[sweet flax]

fuck no

[runic canopy]

Only if u simp/whel/overinvest in LoA teams

[slim blaze]

But the family reunion

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-dead-consider-your-family-dead-gif-2917808371410588506

[maiden garden]

what do i spend the ticket on?

[sweet flax]

tickets are saved as part of your crystal count, not free rolls

[maiden garden]

understood

should i be saving mats/coins as well or are those free game?

[sweet flax]

use as needed, but dont overspend, feel free to ask regarding some mats if unsure

[maiden garden]

what ive done so far

mostly thinking of soloing her for a while do to here windblade ability

so i dont get character swap prompts and what not

idk if this is a good idea or not tho tbh

[sweet flax]

you will get other free characters who are better through your starter manual, and story provides you with trial valks starting in chapter 7, so there's no need to over-invest in these units

[maiden garden]

understood

[coarse valley]

So I’m a psycho that just started 2 days ago (returning after a long time with a fresh account), but I wanted vita so bad that I went from new account to level 53 in that timespan. Now I just want to know if anything in this shop is worth going for since I kinda want to save the rest of my pulls for sparkle.

[quick birch]

we have a pin that takes many things into consideration check that out

[coarse valley]

I'm pretty sure the only Valkyrie in this that can't be exchanged from war arsenal is herrscher of rebirth unless I'm mistaken.
This currency expires yeah? So would I be better off going for her?

[quick birch]

Spending extra crystals just to get her ? no spending event goals are a nice benefit nothing you should spend an large amount of extra crystals on. Imo i would spend it on the elf boxes and keep them since we get a free S rank elf selector next version.

[coarse valley]

I was going to pull for sparkle and I believe her banner runs before this currency expires. So I'm going to hit 320 for sure, just want to know if there's anything here that's any good.

[quick birch]

sparkles banner is outside of the spending event

the currency expires one week after the spending event ends

and the event ends with kianas banner

[rigid spade]

Is the hersscher of void a good character?

[quick birch]

for early games yes shes decent there, for endgame content not really.

[rigid spade]

Ah okay, so should i level her up or no?

[coarse valley]

Ah-
Unfortunate.

So is herrscher of rebirth any good? I do like seele and since my account is new I lack physical damage coverage.

I'm close enough that I think only 20 more pulls would get me the currency for her. Is that worth it or Nuh?

[quick birch]

You can if you want to just dont over invest into her, She will be replaced once you get her first new S rank

[rigid spade]

Would leveling her to like 30 be okay?

I got a free weapon that's level 35 as well, so she can use that without it costing me anything.

[coarse valley]

Just don't spend any of the advanced skill material imo. That's stuff is annoying to get and you need a LOT of it.

[quick birch]

HoRb is very niche her bosses are not very frequent and she is a p1 unit so no astral ring for her. She also wont really cover your lack of physical dmg. The only reason we suggest getting her from the spending event is that she could potentially get a stellar key in the future which would make her gain acces to the Astral ring system, this is just a speculation. 20 pulls can be a lot for a f2p and risky, also there isnt really anything i would suggest building pity on atm.

[rigid spade]

What's the advanced skill material? Like the name?

[coarse valley]

That is the name lol

[rigid spade]

I haven't leveled any skills so far so i didn't know oops

[coarse valley]

It's a very creative name Yus

[coarse valley]

Has Hoyo mentioned any plans to continue giving characters new weapons to access astral ring? Like any dates they've mentioned that they'll be adding more or is it just entirely at their whim of when:if they want to make a character (if any) up to date?

[quick birch]

if hoyo feels like it they get one

if they dont they dont

[coarse valley]

That's what I assumed lol.

[quick birch]

If you really want HoRb you can build some pity on the char banner depending on how low your pity is there. This is risky though and you have to decide yourself if its worth

Also youve mentioned that you only need 20 pulls ? how many crystals have you spend so far

[coarse valley]

Considering my track record with building pity I really do not want to mess around when there's a character I want so much just 2 weeks away. My pity is like... non-existent. I think I'm at 75 until guarantee or something? I'm really not trying to tempt fate though...

[coarse valley]

38920

Next reward is at 40600 and I don't know the one after that.

[quick birch]

Yeah, understandable then i would grab the elf boxes and keep them until we get the S rank elf selector next version

[quick birch]

44.8

[coarse valley]

Oh yeah nvm then

I would consider 20 but 30 is a no from me. Thanks for the help

[rigid spade]

Is Darkbolt Jonin any good??

[odd plume]

nope

[rigid spade]

Im the guide it says recommended for investment but idk if i should trust that

[quick birch]

dont trust in game guides

[odd plume]

ignore ingame guide

just show what you have and ask here

[quick birch]

they are insanely outdated or just straight up wrong

[rigid spade]

Ah yeah that makes sense

This is still a hoyo game after all

This is my current roster

[odd plume]

#👶beginner-help message
check here for beginner teams and build

for now, you can keep using that HoV, try to reach lv 40 fast and buy TA

then you can use TA SI RC with cope gear

also get coralie + her wp from p2 story chapter 1

you dont try to build SW btw, it was recommended because she was free

[rigid spade]

SW?

[odd plume]

look at her name

[rigid spade]

Ohhh

Silverwing, SW i get it haha

[sweet flax]

You found out what an abbreviation is congrats

[odd plume]

we have link for all common abbreviations in the pins

[sweet flax]

Can check glossary in pins if unsure in the future

[rigid spade]

This game is a little confusing sometimes haha

[raw hamlet]

Do y'all just insta salvage the extra stigmata dupes from equipment banner? I got a bunch of badum's extra gear from pulling weapon

[haughty elbow]

yes

[hazy lotus]

Hofi with dkey or coralie

In wheel of destiny team

[sweet flax]

hofi, faster at applying buffs and the wod dps can trigger her ari gen

[fervent aspen]

I don’t know how I got this weapon but it’s for azure empreya

[narrow heron]

I know the answer is most probably yes but just in case
Apho Bronya’s bis stigmata set is the set where she’s the character on it right?

[sweet flax]

starter rewards if you have those, also they are pretty much universal, hos and jk can use it assuming you dont have their weapon

[fervent aspen]

Ah I see

I haven’t gotten jade knight weapon yet

[sweet flax]

that's fine

p1 units are more or less irrelevant nowadays so it wont make a huge impact for the meantime you can use those on jk

starters can pick jk weapon from their box which is the recommended option anyways

[quick furnace]

i started playing again, and i swear there was chronicles in this game... where can i find them? or r they removed

[ancient needle]

Stellar Drain is a bit slower tho iirc

idr how the buffs compare tho value-wise

[narrow heron]

Can someone confirm this for me? My assumption right now is other than a few reworked characters (HoHe and HoFi) every relatively newer p1 character (like 5.0 and later) have a bis set which is a set that has the character on them

[sweet flax]

yes and no

bronya:n-ex is her signature set, but 3pc of it is not her BiS

[narrow heron]

Oh wow that was unexpected, so I only need to make 2

What would be the third piece?

[sweet flax]

the 3rd piece isnt available for crafting or in exchange is the problem

[ancient needle]

If S-ranks then yes, that sounds right

[narrow heron]

So the bis would still be the 3pc as a non time limited solution

[ancient needle]

But yes, SW uses NEX TB Zaychik M

[sweet flax]

werent you making handel for hot anyways

[narrow heron]

No that was an example

I gave up on that since the Handel doesn’t have Mei pictures on it lol

If it was a Mei set I would have gone for that

[ancient needle]

The threshold is a bit later btw, Apo's sig and BiS is Zeno, for example

I think it starts from 6.0 actually

Again, only S-ranks

[narrow heron]

Apho Bronya and MPE are from a 5.X tho, and they both have a set like that

[sweet flax]

mmg, lv, ce the more recent p1s for example dont have themselves on their stigmata art

its not always the case

[ancient needle]

LV not having herself is crazy

[sweet flax]

luna kindred is on the t piece iirc

[ancient needle]

Yup

[sweet flax]

m piece*

[ancient needle]

And doesn't MMG have herself as well

[narrow heron]

Would it be better to say, if such a set exists it’s their bis (other than the few exceptions we just mentioned)

[sweet flax]

it was broboli vollerei and teri

[ancient needle]

Nvm

[ancient needle]

Generally speaking yes

[sweet flax]

8/10 times yes

[narrow heron]

Other than HoHe and HoFi, is there any other character that wouldn’t have their BiS set as the set with their picture on it? (Not counting cases like apho Bronya as well)

If such a set exists that is

I don’t remember how it used to look like back then but weren’t bis stigmata on the weapon banner like now, and they would have the character they belong to on them for many newer characters

[sweet flax]

dkeys seem to have a pattern of having a greek person as the stigmata

but otherwise, the original art on their old gear would have them on it (unless its really old like hos and bke)

[narrow heron]

like every character that has a dkey as their bis weapon would have a set like that?

[ancient needle]

Yes, new dkey = new stig set

Unless we're talking about extremely old valks maybe

[sweet flax]

hohe with solon, hofi with iskandar, hos with peracles etc....

[ancient needle]

Pericles

[sweet flax]

its more recent, but its a pattern

[sweet flax]

same same

[abstract sequoia]

i guess they realized brick just feels bad without stigs

so they just gave us the stigs for free

[ancient needle]

They didn't realize that Brick just feels bad

[ancient needle]

?
They didn't

[abstract sequoia]

yea and part 2

[abstract sequoia]

i meant for HoFi and HoH dk

[ancient needle]

Ah

Nah, it's just the P2 stig system, they wouldn't give shit otherwise

[abstract sequoia]

imagine not having Iskandar to Waxing Moon

[ancient needle]

The best you would get is Handel/Willows

i. e. die of old age before you craft them

[abstract sequoia]

mhm

[narrow heron]

Wait hos also had a new dkey weapon or something after their original bis set?

[abstract sequoia]

I still dread doing that btw

[ancient needle]

Yes
Infinite Intimidator (brick) and Pericles

[echo patio]

From 34 Crystallums should I get: HoTr, or 3stigs for 4/4 HoRb, or 3Aladdin because people say it's good?

[abstract sequoia]

might be my next step after judah

[ancient needle]

Only for DPS HoS (was garbo from release btw)

[abstract sequoia]

wait no, more MA stigs

[narrow heron]

Oh I didn’t know that I only knew about HoHe and HoFi, is there anyone else like that? Or has it just been these 3 so far?

[ancient needle]

Brick is a P1 dkey

Or did ya mean dkeys in general

[narrow heron]

I see so this happened a long time ago

[ancient needle]

Not really, 3 patches before P2 (7.0)

[ancient needle]

Definitely not the first one if you don't have her gear and uses for her

Do you have any uses for HoRb?

[narrow heron]

I get it now, only HoHe and HoFi have had a p2 new gear set, but there has been other characters with a dkey new gear upgrade in the past as well, like HoS

[sweet flax]

hotr if unranked and ungeared is useless, horb is niche but having her fully geared if you have p1 options can be a decent shout
as for aladdin, yes and no, its the best option if you have the opportunity to go the bleed route

aladdin is mainly used with susannah (ONLY IF SHE IS 4/4) or mb pieces for bleed supports

[ancient needle]

Any Phys teams that are otherwise built?

[ancient needle]

Do you have 7T?

[abstract sequoia]

HoR is another example

with Star of Eden: The World

[ancient needle]

VKE, BKE, HoT, HoR

Who else

[lilac reef]

sparka or RS. Who's a better pickup?

[abstract sequoia]

depends on crystal count for next patch

[ancient needle]

RS is meh if you don't need shieldbreak, Sparkle is a more versatile pick

[narrow heron]

Was just about to ask who else, and got my answer before asking lol, I thought 7t was always HoT’s bis weapon until now

[ancient needle]

But ofc remember about the 🧱

[abstract sequoia]

RS is getting shilled a lot this patch

but idk what will happen after

[lilac reef]

This is kinda why I asked

[echo patio]

Thanks, I was thinking HoTr because I hope she'll dkey some day, like kiana
I don't have much in P1 so I can't really make a full P1 team for HoRb
I don't have susannah's weapon either, and I only have 3/4LV and 2/4CE 😦

[ancient needle]

RS shill will probs be over for the most part in 8.2

[sweet flax]

hotr getting a dkey? why

her role is an elemental breacher for fire and ice.... which vita and senadina both cover very well

[abstract sequoia]

it really boils down to coverage, who gives you more of that is what you should ask yourself

[ancient needle]

HoTr alr got upgraded by HoFi's dkey, so that's very unlikely

[lilac reef]

Do we have a boss list for 8.2 yet?

[ancient needle]

Nope, CN is not live yet

[echo patio]

dunno, just thought they might cuz she's one of the main girls 🤷‍♂️

[narrow heron]

Just learning about the development and evolution of characters in this game is kinda fun ngl lmao
It’s so all over the place

[abstract sequoia]

possible, would love it myself

[lilac reef]

I guess Ill have to wait till CN is live then decide which one to pull

[ancient needle]

Why do you wanna pull one of them so badly tho

[abstract sequoia]

both run until end of patch anyway iirc

[ancient needle]

Or did ya get them moneybags

[lilac reef]

constant demotion is why lol

[abstract sequoia]

blame the kid then

[lilac reef]

I still have about 70k xtals so I can save enough for || sushang ||

[ancient needle]

[wild forum]

Hey, I'm new (this week) and wondering if its worth picking up HoRb + HoV (from exchange) to build a P1 team for physical content or just ignore P1 phys and get the physical bleed char in 8.2 instead

[lilac reef]

I got super lucky

[ancient needle]

You can't get HoRb tho

Also you don't necessarily need a Phys team

[abstract sequoia]

What about Aops?

[lilac reef]

Currently only SS Teri and thats it

[ancient needle]

You can't really force a team here, what you have depends a lot on what Hoyo decides to run

Also pls spoiler tag CN info

8.2 is considerable btw

[wild forum]

or is this scam

[abstract sequoia]

Seems fine, I feel like SSS bonuses doesn't hold as long

[ancient needle]

Better ask when the patch drops tho

[ancient needle]

Oh, right, the spending event
I don't think you have enough time to spend enough crystals (44.8k)
Also gearless HoRb won't do shit

Gear is extremely important here

[wild forum]

I can get 320 before it runs out 11.4 (im at 200 rn)

[ancient needle]

I mean, if you do manage to spend that amount somehow then sure, nothing else is really good in the event outside of ELFs, but they aren't urgent

Just don't go out of your way for that

[wild forum]

I was just wondering if its worth the 320 points if she insta gets replaced by 8.2 char

[lilac reef]

Im not sure why I even pulled for SS. I think I saw something about RoO buffs my monke brain thought of vita immediately

[ancient needle]

HoRb will be useful only for earlygame

[lilac reef]

[wild forum]

I also got the new Kiana carrieng my game right now with 3 sigil but no wep yet so 8.2 char would be prolly good with her too

[ancient needle]

The only reasons to get HoRb are 6 Dorm EXP, 620 crystals from Elysian Realm and copium for a dkey upgrade

As I've said, gearless HoRb won't do shit

Even with gear she's not great atp cuz of poor compatibility with P2

[wild forum]

what are our dkey odds on her

[narrow heron]

Which ones are worth more

[wild forum]

I also dont really need the other characters I could use the 320 points instead on if all P1 are useless

[ancient needle]

Hard to tell
If they keep the trend of giving dkeys to Herrschers then she should be the next one (assuming she gets one in the first place)

[wild forum]

so might as well get her and sit on level 1

in case she gets dkey?

[ancient needle]

Prisms by a large margin

[narrow heron]

Are we really in a shortage of prisms that much

[ancient needle]

Income of Prisms is very iffy

Other stuff isn't super useful in your case

An argument could be made for affix locks for very sweaty players

[narrow heron]

How many prisms did a stigmata need again

[ancient needle]

To craft a P2 stig you need 2
To max a P2 stig you need 7
To max a P2 stig set you need 21

[sweet flax]

bruh is hoo missing her gear this bad 😭

[narrow heron]

Yeah on the one hand I don’t do events and only get 1 per week from the arena
On the other hand I don’t really pull for new characters who use prism stigmata

[ancient needle]

I mean, she does contribute a lot in trio

[sweet flax]

not even hofi and hotr ranks is saving this run

[wintry wharf]

tf is rotlotus

[lilac reef]

i read that too and thought I was going dyslexic

[sweet flax]

rot = red
lotus = lotus

[wintry wharf]

ah ok

[narrow heron]

What was the 7 for again?

[ancient needle]

Rotlotus lmfao

[sweet flax]

7 source prisms to max a p2 stigmata, 9 in total if you have to craft it since it costs 2 to craft

[narrow heron]

Oh I see I see

[sweet flax]

though the chances of you needing to craft them is very low

since you get 1 from the box every patch and 1 more than likely from rolling weapon

[narrow heron]

The game gave a lot of them to me as a returnee so I easily maxed Sparkle’s and HoHe’s sets while keeping 3 instant max tickets so I wasn’t feeling like they were that scarce

[lilac reef]

me who needed to craft two ely stigs:

[sweet flax]

I had to craft 3

[lilac reef]

Didnt we get a box?

[sweet flax]

thank god for boxes

[ancient needle]

Anyway, I strongly suggest you keep the xtals, you will regret backpulling, trust me xdd
Ofc it's still up to you to decide

[narrow heron]

I also crafted one not knowing I had a piece selector lmao

[sweet flax]

my dumbass picked the source prism thinking it was the badum box

[ancient needle]

||Also keep in mind we alr have 4 supps for the unknown AR type, Dudu might be more considerable than Sparkle cuz the new AR type should be coming out soon||

[lilac reef]

it's ok I crafted two of the same pieces

[wintry wharf]

me wasted all the currency in begginer book for useless stigmatas

[sterile river]

L prisms

[lilac reef]

so dudu has an unknown AR type which may make her more considerable to pull?

[ancient needle]

Ye

Ofc it depends a lot on whether they'll be releasing more LoA valks

[sweet flax]

better idea, pull the ||physical unit|| next patch instead

[ancient needle]

That too

[wild forum]

so if I dont get HoRb should I focus on holding 300 for a ELF or go spent them on prisms and such first

[sweet flax]

and take advantage of shill + similar coverage

[lilac reef]

I think Ill save like 40k for her

[ancient needle]

ELF boxes

[wild forum]

is this accurate?

[ancient needle]

Please spoiler tag CN info

Also Marisa's stuff outside of just translating CN info is often inaccurate

[wild forum]

is this accurate for the ELF dmg for Kiana team?

1% from stock to kiana?

[sweet flax]

its just teammates and they share the same tags therefore they work as supports for each other

also, kiaelf is only better if 4* for fws, otherwise ss ds >>>

[ancient needle]

Sounds about right tbh assuming 3* Kia

At 4* the diff is a bit bigger

[wild forum]

I understand the AstroOP with 100% is significantly stronger because of the double QTE trigger for the leader

but the kiana elf isnt that strong basically?

[sweet flax]

actually the main value of the ao is ari gen

same with every other ao

[ancient needle]

Yes

Outside of P1 trio

[wild forum]

are there any ELF that are worth picking up for other teams that actually are good

[lilac reef]

will 8.2 CN be live during dudu banner?

[ancient needle]

Yes

[ancient needle]

None are "actually good"
Kiana is still the pick

[lilac reef]

Ok I think Ill look at the boss list then and think about it again

[sweet flax]

this week should be the last week before 8.2 in cn

[lilac reef]

I see, thanks

[worldly prism]

Is it better to use the basic astro op or an elf like mini Elysia for dkey hohe?

[ancient needle]

Ely ELF is a consideration only if she's 4*

Otherwise DS is just better

[worldly prism]

Thanks

Mine was only 2* lol so I was wondering ab the value

[rigid spade]

Is the new event banner worth pulling on? Or is it still only on the battlesuit banner?

[sweet flax]

adv?

[narrow heron]

Do all DKeys have a BiS user?

[sweet flax]

dkeys are made for a specific unit

[rigid spade]

I mean that new hersscher girl

[wild forum]

so I go get kiana for ba-dum team because long term I will be able to rank her up more for free than I would be able to rank up the Therese from the AstraOPs to make her as good or better than her in the end?

[sweet flax]

again, do you mean the adv banner? the one with herrscher of finality on it?

[ancient needle]

Ranks are not worth pursuing here, you wanna prioritize getting more valks

[narrow heron]

That would make sense but some of them don’t have the “best on” thing so I wasn’t sure

[wild forum]

I meant like from the elf boxes from events and such

[narrow heron]

So every single form of all the DKeys in the game has a BiS user

[ancient needle]

Oh, wait, I misread a bit

[sweet flax]

those would be the really old ones, and back then there was only 1 valk per weapon type for the most part so I dont think hoyo felt the need to mention it

[ancient needle]

And no, Kia will never be better than gacha AOs

Gacha AOs are just not worth pursuing in general unless you're a very high ranked player

[wild forum]

IC so she's just stand-in until you get the better from banner option?

[sweet flax]

kiaelf will be competitive with dreamseeker if ranked, otherwise bad
ss dreamseeker which is free is already very strong

[narrow heron]

Yeah that makes sense
Who is the best user of Pledge of Sakura for example?

[sweet flax]

your dorm

[ancient needle]

Well, it was Sakuno Rondo's sig

[wild forum]

so instead of picking up the ELF who is minimal upgrade over dreamseeker I just go grab all the mats first got it

[sweet flax]

technically pledge of sakura and oath of judah at its latest point where used as cope options for mobius if no weapon (oath of judah sometimes being better)

[ancient needle]

An argument could be made for Prisms but you should alr have enough of them from the Manual
Everything else is not too difficult to get, hence the ELF recommendation

[narrow heron]

Oh even A rank characters get BiS weapons here

[wild forum]

I have maxed ba bum sigil with one free 50 and the other 2 from exchanges

so it would be for future chars, I only have his 1 build so far

[sweet flax]

all valks get a dedicated set of equipment on release

[ancient needle]

Btw, it's "Stigmata" or "stigs" for short, Sigils refer to smth else

[wild forum]

yeah I knew S something and flipped it, professional

[narrow heron]

By the way was this stellar key space empty before it was added in p2 back in the days?

[sweet flax]

ye

[low kestrel]

PLS SOMEONE TELL ME HOW I PASS THIS, THIS SH## IS IMPOSSIPLE

[rigid spade]

This one, is it worth pulling on this one?

[ancient needle]

Which stage is that

[low kestrel]

17

[sweet flax]

a good start would be "hey this (insert stage here) is difficult"

[ancient needle]

Flamechasers should be very solid if they're available, idr alr

[tough raven]

theyre on yt, just type the stage

[ancient needle]

Or that, ye

[sweet flax]

wait you mean stage 17 in the story?

just run honkai

[ancient needle]

You can be nicer too

[narrow heron]

Is pri-arming weapons for non dps character ever recommended?

[sweet flax]

that was me being nice

[tough raven]

full stig set aswell, now what? who am i saving for next?

[ancient needle]

Yes, you still get extra buffs + supports often contribute DMG as well

[worldly prism]

Do we get dreamseeker frags from the story?

[ancient needle]

Either 8.2 or 8.3

[ancient needle]

SS is max rn

[sweet flax]

yes, though if you lack materials you can leave it at lvl 50 for the meantime on supports

[tough raven]

name of valk?

[ancient needle]

||Sushang in 8.2||
No info about 8.3

[sweet flax]

8.2 in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins
8.3 unknown

[tough raven]

ah her

[narrow heron]

I maxed 7t and HoHe new weapon so far, next one would be Sparkle’s weapon but I ran out of ET and sc meta h2

[sweet flax]

that happens

[narrow heron]

It looks like ET is really scarce

[sweet flax]

also wait you have hohe dkey and 4/4 sparkle?

[narrow heron]

Yeah

[sweet flax]

casual player btw

[ancient needle]

(keep in mind that ET is not an acronym that is used xdd)

[narrow heron]

Yup

Returnee luck

[ancient needle]

And yes, Toruses can be annoying

[wild forum]

are those worth buying regulary from war treasury or ignore the asterite to ancient willpower one ?

[sweet flax]

legit any loa valk you pull now would make your account a competitive account

[ancient needle]

Though they are farmable in a pinch by crafting Bounty weaps and converting them

[narrow heron]

What is loa lol

[sweet flax]

priority should go to unlocking valks dorm lvl 45 and er crystals

since those are more meaningful buffs and rewards

[ancient needle]

AW is worth, affix locks are only for very developed and competitive players, third is just garbo

[narrow heron]

Was Sparkle broken or something?

[sweet flax]

law of ascension

[ancient needle]

Nah

[narrow heron]

Oh one of the astral rings

[wild forum]

I was an idiot intially and gambad on the affixes for kiana, never again

[sweet flax]

no, she was strong in quantum only before loa released and now she's a fast support with decent buffs

[wild forum]

guess you learn from doing bad first time

[sweet flax]

and quantum in this game has a reputation for being beyond niche

[ancient needle]

It's not a reputation, it's a fact

[narrow heron]

Does it say anywhere in the game what each astral ring type means combat-wise?

[ancient needle]

There are tutorials in-game for each AR type

[narrow heron]

Too much text I gave up lol

I was expecting something like
Support
Dps
Sub dps

[wild forum]

ok thanks

[ancient needle]

I can summarize the playstyles very quickly:
WS — outside of SO it's just a regular P1 rotation, during SO you place marks and detonate them
WoD — 1 valk is hypercarry, supps get very low field time
LoA — QTE spam
RoO — wildcard, the playstyle is valk-specific (Vita is close to WoD, trio is close to LoA)

[sweet flax]

check ingame tutorials

but tl;dr

ws - main dps places resonance, supports trigger those resonances for damage
wod - solo dps, supports get turned to shadows
loa - qte
roo - filler

[narrow heron]

So HoHe is a hypercarry dps
Perfect for a casual

[sweet flax]

funnily enough in hohe's best team she is cast aside until so

[narrow heron]

so?

[sweet flax]

stellar outburst

[narrow heron]

Oh her ultimate

[outer spruce]

Stellar Outburst, the big blue glowing button

[sweet flax]

activating your ring

[narrow heron]

Oh not even her ultimate the astral ring ultimate

[ancient needle]

Can't believe I'm describing trio through a P2 prism

[narrow heron]

I noticed the astra ring ultimate also drains all the energy, does it do more damage with more energy?

[sweet flax]

using your so instantly enters hohe's ult anyways

[ancient needle]

If you meant SP then yes

[narrow heron]

The thing that we use to do normal ultimate

[sweet flax]

you need in wod for example 150 energy to use it, using it consumes all energy and resets stellar drain on all valks

oh wait sp, then what teammate said

[ancient needle]

Yes, that's SP

[sweet flax]

that sp drain was for hohe since it casts her ult and she has a passive that is tied to sp consumption on team

I dont think other units consume sp on so cast

[narrow heron]

I see that makes sense
I used to do her normal ultimate when her sp was full then as it was about to end do the astra ring ultimate and extend
Dunno if that’s how I’m supposed to play her or not lol

[sweet flax]

no, ideally you'd have thelema to dps until your ring is ready then swap into hohe and so

[narrow heron]

I don’t get the “thelema to dps” part

[worldly prism]

Oh I thought it didn't and that's why we had to cast the ult in er right before the so if we took the ult buffs routes to make sure we benefit from them

[sweet flax]

normally her bis team is hohe mps dsa/lp(if lp is s2+)
you'd give breach with dsa/lp then dps on mps who can trigger hohe's stellar drain since its wod until your ar is ready, swap into hohe and so

mps has more damage than hohe out of so and sus anis to slow down timer which helps

[narrow heron]

Wait mpe is in her bis? Ain’t no way

[sweet flax]

mps

[narrow heron]

Oh

Who’s that

[sweet flax]

mad pleasure: shadowbringer

[outer spruce]

thelema

[narrow heron]

Oh I get it

A p2 character

What is her p1 best team?

Sushang kira?

[sweet flax]

ye

[narrow heron]

Gotta buy that sushang then

[sweet flax]

since sushang gave ice breach and kira was a pardo upgrade + black health for the abyss ice weather at the time

[narrow heron]

What about apho bronya’s bis team?

[sweet flax]

sushang kira but the odds of them running psy enemies on ice weather is low

hor hohe and sw all used sushang kira, but only hor and hohe consistently got their weathers

which even then, there were barely any since they were getting way too old

[narrow heron]

I see

[sweet flax]

anyways gotta dip

[narrow heron]

So pardo is a weaker kira and they can be used interchangeably

[sweet flax]

on paper yes, but some people couldnt afford to gear kira and used their ranked and geared pardo instead for relatively similar albeit weaker performance (they were forced to run kira for black hp bar against the twin maidens or wtvr that boss was called, white smthn and black wine iirc)

[worldly prism]

Is it fine to use Coralie and Kira? Or should I get Sushang to replace Kira if I play with dkey? I have no P2 units, yesterday you suggested me these but I don't have info on their degree of priority

[narrow heron]

What about HoT’s bis team? Is it FR and Eden?

[ancient needle]

Nope, LV GD/SImp

[worldly prism]

Playing with Kira and lapine rn isn't really helping me progress through the difficulty of some fights

[narrow heron]

Ok no, I mean from farmable characters

[ancient needle]

Ah, GD PV then

Actually I'm not sure how PV and Kira compare in Lightning

[narrow heron]

HoT isn’t meta viable even with the newest characters anyways

[narrow heron]

Oh Fischl and Eden would both be better than FR, damn powercreep lol

I was expecting the S rank unit in her guide page be at least better than A ranks

[abstract sequoia]

depends, you can just go all in on buffing HoFi