👶beginner-help

[abstract sequoia]

alright so just that

[quick birch]

29-31

[gloomy acorn]

Also do ER for more context

[narrow heron]

And between which chapters would the ER story take place

It looks like ee is after er

[abstract sequoia]

I did Chapter 1 only so far

[gloomy acorn]

[narrow heron]

So er is between 28 and 29?

[abstract sequoia]

so lament of the fallen > er ch1 > what next?

just ch2 and 3?

or everlasting between those

[narrow heron]

Which chapter is lament of the fallen?

[gloomy acorn]

Finish er before to the flawless

EE is revealed at the end of er

[abstract sequoia]

okay

so lament then, then I do ch2 and 3

and then everlasting

i thought i saw it differently on hoyostans but i might be misremembering

[gloomy acorn]

Can always double check with lore peepo

To the flawless opens with you already knowing the entire er cast so it's at least after ch2

[quick birch]

hoyostans lore guide is the same, all ER chapters before EE.

[gloomy acorn]

O

[quick birch]

but if you want to be sure ask in lore chat

[abstract sequoia]

and to the flawless is related to ER

so in that case like you said, that after ch2

i know the ER cast a small bit, but not every detail

mostly Kevin, Mobius, Hua (obviously) and maybe Klein

well and Elysia

Su's relation to Kevin is also known to me

[sweet flax]

Why not just check the ro faq cuz this is dangerous territory you're crossing

[gloomy acorn]

Oh right no spoilers

[abstract sequoia]

im not mentioning details intentionally

[sweet flax]

I know, but if someone comes along and becomes part of the conversation, it will eventually end up as spoilers

[abstract sequoia]

you're right

[abstract sequoia]

ro faq?

[abstract sequoia]

ah read order

will do, thanks a lot

tbh, a part reason is also me wanting to unlock all ER voicelines and bosses

[sweet flax]

up to you

[abstract sequoia]

yeah, it's not like I'm abandoning the older chapters

just playing out of order

[sweet flax]

Tbh i kind of did that when er released, I only just finished the er story 2 weeks ago because I wanted to save everything flame chaser related for last

[abstract sequoia]

oh damn

[sweet flax]

To each their own

[abstract sequoia]

so its not just me then

[gloomy acorn]

||'If Su's speeches get too long you can just walk away, he can't see you' -Elysia||

[sweet flax]

(Though another factor was me making a new account around 6.5 so I prioritised part 1.5 story before replaying p1)

[abstract sequoia]

very rude of her ngl

[abstract sequoia]

I see, makes sense

especially with limited rewards tied to it

[sweet flax]

Ye

[abstract sequoia]

i hate that honestly

[sweet flax]

Tbh they are pretty shit, susannah t and crystals aside

[abstract sequoia]

forcing new players to play out of order

[sweet flax]

Other hoyo games started adopting it too

Which isn't as bad considering story isn't the main focus on those games

Anyways imma stop the convo here just incase beginners come here for questions and what not

[narrow heron]

What is elemental breach

[runic canopy]

Uh sorry, physical breach outside ER is provided by Vita now

If it's different calculation would want to know how it works

[mighty arrow]

What's vita stig? Is it just her sig set?

[quick birch]

uhh havent read the faq myself just forwarded what i saw

ah i see, i dont know myself actually

but i would assume its the same tbh

[runic canopy]

Time to summon @dry python

ples explain to this dummy how to calculate physical breach

[mighty arrow]

Anyone??

[quick birch]

p2 units really only use their signature stigmatas. So yeah

[mighty arrow]

Aight thanks

[swift wadi]

So, Is there any way to get her weapon?

[mighty arrow]

Is it common to not get full set through pulling? Last time I got 3/3 T/B and now 5/3 T/B no middle

[mighty arrow]

You pull. Crazy concept

[quick birch]

id assume physical breach works the same as elemental breach so if the enemy has 43% physical resistance 14% physical breach makes the enemy have 29% physical resistance. While impair takes of a percentage of the enemies DEF which also affects the physical resistance. but lets see what cay says

[swift wadi]

Which one please?

[quick birch]

the banner is already gone

[mighty arrow]

^

[digital pasture]

I got both of them. How can I use them? Currently I am using rc as main dmg dealer.

[narrow heron]

which one should I go for, I'm thinking of the dark Seele one

[mighty arrow]

Get whatever, doesn't matter. They're all powercrept anyways

[quick birch]

wrong box lah

[mighty arrow]

Ah mb lmao

[quick birch]

Starchasm nyx cost the most AL here so she is the best choice material wise but its up to you really.

She also is in ER and has a stress test

[narrow heron]

Are the other 2 not?

[quick birch]

They are but Stygian Nymph does not have a stress test. HoS does have one but costs less AL than Starchasm nyx

[mighty arrow]

Pull badum and use her main DPS. Untill then helia can be used as dps, kira dps without set is very cope, better use the other two since their set is craftable

[narrow heron]

Yeah that was my line of thinking as well, but I was also thinking might as well try to get a physical character I already have HoHe for ice

[mighty arrow]

Will they ever add p2 valks in legacy shop? I have 5k and dunno what to do with it lmao

[narrow heron]

these are my units

[mighty arrow]

HoHe full p2 gear?

[narrow heron]

Yeah

[mighty arrow]

Nice

[narrow heron]

I somehow got her full geared

Now she’s carrying the game for me so hard lol

I’m pretty sure as a filthy casual I’m not supposed to be able to even participate in endgames but she allows me to

[quick birch]

You can try to pull badumm but stay above 60 pulls while pulling so that you can pull the weapon if you get lucky on her. in the meantime you can use these beginner teams.

[narrow heron]

I’ll 65 her weapon next week as well

[mighty arrow]

Meh u can still brute force a lot of stuff. Only problem is if the abyss is full counter to ur comp like +50% fire dmg -50% ice dmg

[swift wadi]

Is her with the Astral Ring good?

[mighty arrow]

The only problem is memorial arena, u need full teams for that

[narrow heron]

I don’t have a sense for the meta of this game I honestly dunno

[quick birch]

They are all farmable in the end and pursuing the idea that HoS will cover your need for a physical dps is a bit out of reach. She wont really be any use outside of early game

[sweet flax]

Compared to other options available she's a tad bit underwhelming, but not bad at all

[narrow heron]

Then might as well commit to waifu collecting and get the dark Seele

[quick birch]

also we still dont know her full potential since she has the ??? tag

[sweet flax]

Might be a sparkle situation, looks very underwhelming on paper, only to be a really good unit

[narrow heron]

Do memorial arena bosses have elemental weaknesses/resistances?

[sweet flax]

You never know what can change

[swift wadi]

Ah,I see

[mighty arrow]

Yes

[sweet flax]

Just their own weaknesses without weather

[narrow heron]

Where can I see them

[sweet flax]

You wouldn't use a quantum dps on a img boss for example

[mighty arrow]

In their detail page?

[narrow heron]

Oh no I meant like ice fire element

[swift wadi]

Is Duran / Teres good?

[sweet flax]

And some bosses like aponia have it written in their boss description

[swift wadi]

Do I have to look for them?

[sweet flax]

Both aren't recommended investments at this point

[mighty arrow]

Type weakness matters more ngl but ye u can also see elements and stuff in their description

[narrow heron]

The problem is I couldn’t find that

[wanton canopy]

Dudu is good for shieldbreak as support but hmmm

[quick birch]

backpulling in general is not reccomended. The crystal income of f2ps is limited and trying to get old units while delaying the possibility of getting a new one isnt a good idea

[sweet flax]

Click the boss, when you enter the second screen before team select it's on the right side bottom of description

[narrow heron]

Ok I found where the recommended element and the type is

[swift wadi]

Ah, Thanks

[elfin turtle]

what should i buy from spending shop? i already have s2 horb (i have 280 token)

[narrow heron]

Just had to scroll down lol

[mighty arrow]

It's literally there

[sweet flax]

Check the pin

[narrow heron]

I’m sorry I’m not used to the interface didn’t know had to scroll to see what I would normally want to see on top😭

[sweet flax]

Either way you can always check what other people use to get a better idea of what's good

[mighty arrow]

Understandable, it is called menu impact 3 for a reason

[swift wadi]

I tried so hard for this, but I still can't get a good score.

[sweet flax]

Support impact 3 menu impact 3 and frame drop on p2 release impact 3

The holy trinity of nicknames

[frozen crypt]

forgot reading impact 3rd

[sweet flax]

No one reads

Illiteracy impact 3 if anything

[wanton canopy]

[wanton canopy]

Description so convoluted anyway

[mighty arrow]

Frame drops on p2 is very relatable, I stopped playing on my phone after p2 and only play on PC from now on lol

[swift wadi]

Am I doing something wrong? Or any team's recommendation please?

[sweet flax]

No thelema?

[narrow heron]

So when going for fighting the bosses I should first match the suggested type, and then traits if possible

[quick birch]

@frozen crypt forgot to ping you before but Amadeus pointed out that physical breach is now also provided by other sources outside ER. Just to let you know

[sweet flax]

You sent a pic with her earlier

[narrow heron]

Do enemies have trait resistances? Or is it just types

[frozen crypt]

thanks I'll update it at the weekend

[sweet flax]

Wdym

Like melee resistance?

[swift wadi]

thelema?

[mighty arrow]

You have very limited roster it genuinely doesn't matter, the top boss is generally the hardest so try to use your best team on it unless it got resistant to ur team's element

[sweet flax]

Mad pleasure

[narrow heron]

Like for example fire resistant, or bleed resistant

[sweet flax]

There are bosses with that, aponia has elemental resistance for example

More specific niches depends on the boss but for example andrius is immune to ice dmg

[mighty arrow]

Yes there is, but u can still kinda brute force lmao I tried brute forcing bleed resistance boss with Luna carry and still managed to clear, not fast but welp it did clear lol

[sweet flax]

It will always be mentioned if it exists

[narrow heron]

Where can I see the boss’s resistances?

[narrow heron]

Ok

[sweet flax]

In the description

[swift wadi]

huh?

[mighty arrow]

I don't think it always does? I don't remember which boss but I tried bleeding it, didn't work, there was no mention of that in the description

[sweet flax]

You sent this pic earlier

[narrow heron]

Instead of a huge amount of text I wish they would just put types and trait weaknesses and resistance icons

[swift wadi]

Ohhhh haha

sry

[frozen crypt]

phys breach and impair works like this:

lets say you have 75% impair and 15% physical breach. We'll assume the enemy DEF is 100.

Impair reduces the DEF by 75% to 25. Phys breach allows your valkyrie to penetrate 15% of the remaining DEF, so in effect only 21.25 of the enemy DEF will be in effect.

[sweet flax]

Why wouldn't you use her over coralie lmao

[mighty arrow]

The icons already there no?

[sweet flax]

Also unless vita is s2, you'd prefer running senadina instead

[narrow heron]

Oh yeah you’re right, down there buried in the texts lol, I just noticed resistances are also shown that way for HoV boss I thought they weren’t cuz the other 2 didn’t have any

[mighty arrow]

Here see? @narrow heron

Boss desc.

[mighty arrow]

The other 2 also have

One is SD the other two mech and bio

[wanton canopy]

Should i use Vita dps? Have fws, Vita, sparkle, hohe dkey, Coralie, helia. Will use fws + sparkle on Sa

[mighty arrow]

It's all there

[narrow heron]

Yeah I get the type matchups I meant the trait resistances

Features

[mighty arrow]

Ah ye that also there

[wanton canopy]

Or is hohe dps better + Vita support

[sweet flax]

Use fws on sa since she has the bonus points on her

[mighty arrow]

Use fire for first one, ignite or bleed for the robot and anything but lightning and physical for HoV

[wanton canopy]

Yeah I'm doing that

[sweet flax]

No p1 units right?

[wanton canopy]

None

[mighty arrow]

U can also check what the other ppls used to clear with for general idea @narrow heron

[wanton canopy]

Only those recommended support not build(pardo,ta)

[sweet flax]

You need to apply burn or bleed to break the shield of heimdall iirc

Could you try a practice round with vita cora helia and see how it does

Worst case you'd use sparkle on second boss for her ignite trauma

[austere phoenix]

FWS Vita
Sparkle Helia
HoHE DK Coralie

... if you want to stick with duo teams

[wanton canopy]

Hmmm if bleed is needed then might as well just inflict using SI

[sweet flax]

It's bleed or ignite

But it's lv's boss and the only ignite dps is neutral type matchup against it

[wanton canopy]

I'm just going for 2 full clear... Last boss is whatever i can salvage so don't worry about that

[narrow heron]

My roster is very limited tho that’s why I’m just trying to avoid resistances

[quick birch]

that would require p1 sparkle no ?

the ignite trauma

[sweet flax]

There's some ignite trauma that gets applied regardless

Though I'm not sure if it will be enough

[wanton canopy]

What if i use a gearless MMG ||bad idea?||

[mighty arrow]

Anyways you shouldn't worry too much about memorial arena for now, just do enough to barely clear 1-2 boss, you won't be able to be competitive in it for a very long time untill u get ur roster built, which'll take a while, so ye don't sweat about it too much

[sweet flax]

Mmg already sucks and you wanna use a unranked and ungeared variant with no hotr?

[narrow heron]

Yeah I’m not worrying, I can brute force clearing the bosses with HoHe and HoT, was just asking for the future in case I ever failed to and wanted to make sure I’m not doing a horrible matchup

[mighty arrow]

Oh, you can also fight the bosses in training mode to test out different teams, it won't lock your team on training mode

[narrow heron]

That’s good to know

[mighty arrow]

Aight great

[swift wadi]

I'm not doing any better...

[wanton canopy]

What team you were using? Fws?

[mighty arrow]

Imo new player experience for this game is absolutely horrible, they don't even give u barely enough stuff to catch up, takes ages to craft gears

[swift wadi]

Any recommendations?

Thank you

[quick birch]

why would you actually craft gear in this day and age lol. Most if the time you get all pieces while pulling for the weapon.

[sweet flax]

Fws jds tfm, or jds mps dsa

[mighty arrow]

You gonna pull badum right? Won't recommend skipping her she'll help u cover ur fire side @narrow heron

[wanton canopy]

I used fws+Vita+sparkle and doing 700pts in A3

[mighty arrow]

Unless u r me lmao

[swift wadi]

fws?

[wanton canopy]

Pretty low but you should be higher

[swift wadi]

ba dum?

[wanton canopy]

Fiery wishing star (badum kiana)

[quick birch]

600 ether fuel still takes like 2 weeks ?

[mighty arrow]

@quick birch

[swift wadi]

okie lets try, thx

[quick birch]

just salvage dupes and craft the rest

[mighty arrow]

U still need some of the support stigs from p1 anymore no?

[raw hamlet]

Sorry if asked before, but is it better to just start new account or play on old. I stopped playing during celestial hymn banner i think

[narrow heron]

By stress test did you mean the shallow sequence challenges?

[wanton canopy]

Depends on your crystal economy + account collection

[narrow heron]

She looks good but not really, I’d rather get HoFi
I’m primarily playing as a waifu collector and secondarily thinking of the meta

[quick birch]

maybe for some MA shit or starless weathers but thats something that newer players should not bother with

[wanton canopy]

@raw hamlet
#👶beginner-help message

[raw hamlet]

ty

[quick birch]

i hope you have those 28k crystals saved up

[mighty arrow]

Well that's one less burden

[narrow heron]

Is this the amount needed to guarantee a unit and her weapon in adv?

[quick birch]

newer players should focus pledge of sakura and judas first if they want to craft anything from foundry tbh

[narrow heron]

I have supply cards, can I use them for adv?

[quick birch]

just her, weapon is another 60 pulls ( 16.8k)

[mighty arrow]

Badum more waifu than hofi 🗿 Kiana finally got buffed and not flatboard anymore lmao

[swift wadi]

A little bit better...

[narrow heron]

That’s actually true lol, but I want to eventually get the trio if possible

[swift wadi]

But not that huge jump

[wanton canopy]

Your team has fully built stigs? It could go higher than that if main dps is fully built

[narrow heron]

You may say I want HoFi for HoO lol

[mighty arrow]

Wdym trio. U don't even have one :) better to just save up for future trio. They'll come trust 🤝

[wanton canopy]

[narrow heron]

Yeah I’m chilling lol

[swift wadi]

Am I doing something wrong (?)

[mighty arrow]

U got origin?

[narrow heron]

I wish I knew about the free HoOs then I would have had her at least

[narrow heron]

The only Mei I’m missing unfortunately

[mighty arrow]

Sheesh

[narrow heron]

I’ll get her if the means is provided down the line

[mighty arrow]

She'll get p2 wep trust 🤝

[wanton canopy]

Could definitely go higher you probs just need to watch FWS + Vita + sparkle runs. Also save the SO for 2nd phase

[mighty arrow]

I hope SW gets a p2 wep :)

[swift wadi]

Am I doing something wrong....

[mighty arrow]

Da bronya supremacy

[narrow heron]

Who is sw

[quick birch]

HoFi dkey basically was HoO dkey

[swift wadi]

SO?

[wanton canopy]

Some rotational issue but can be adjusted. Try to record a run then submit here

[wanton canopy]

Stellar outburst, the blue thing that charge up during the run

[narrow heron]

And that’s why I’m thinking of going for it even when I don’t have HoO yet hoping she’ll get added to a shop or have another giveaway down the line

[swift wadi]

Okie, let me try one more time

[quick birch]

at this point just hope she will be in BP soon because a free HoO is very unlikely

[narrow heron]

Yeah that’s the shop I was thinking about

Cuz if I’m not mistaken she is only a few patches later than the point where the reworked shop will include the characters

[mighty arrow]

Which one? The old one? Or the waxing moon?

[quick birch]

HoFi only had one dkey ? Her new sig set has some nice HoO dps buffs and so does her weapon

[narrow heron]

I also want this skin but have no idea how can I get these outfit coupons, do events have them? or should I just keep pulling on outfit banners until it saves up enough?

[swift wadi]

Ok I think I really need some guide xD

[mighty arrow]

Ah I see reading comprehension impact 3 :)

Didn't read any description

[quick birch]

well reading them is usefull

[narrow heron]

also I have no idea why I have 71, I have pulled on two outfit banners so far, last time I played the game back in January, as well as and now, so maybe I wave give 1 for free somehow lol

[mighty arrow]

The new p2 descriptions having longer paragraph than yu GI oh cards :)

Paragraph powercreep is real

[slim blaze]

You only look at keywords anyways

[quick birch]

its fine tbh most of the stigs dont have that long descriptions the 2pc and 3pc are the long part and everything is sorted into sections there

not that bad

[mighty arrow]

Welp, ig I should start reading up on some of them then

[abstract sequoia]

many keywords being made up flavor text don't help though, I get where that complaint is coming from

[narrow heron]

?

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[narrow heron]

Lol

Can I not use them or should I not use them

[narrow heron]

If I literally can’t use tickets for adv might pull for badum instead

Cuz I have more tickets than I have gems lol

[sweet flax]

Tickets aren't free rolls they are 280 crystals

Don't treat them as anything else

[quick birch]

pretty sure adv has its own tickets

[narrow heron]

Yeah this is what I wanted to know

[sweet flax]

It does but you can convert your tickets into adv tickets similar to carnival

[narrow heron]

Oh I see I didn’t know that

[sweet flax]

They don't just hand out adv tickets anymore

[quick birch]

i never bothered with adv so no idea you could do that

[narrow heron]

Where can I do this conversion I can’t find it

[quick birch]

when the banner is live

[narrow heron]

Like where is it for the current carnivals for example

[sweet flax]

Anyways save your tickets as part of your crystal count, once you have enough cards + crystals to roll a valk and her weapon AND ONLY THEN consider rolling

[sweet flax]

LTO

[quick birch]

LTO carnival exclusives

[narrow heron]

Yup found it thanks

[rotund roost]

asuka is still good?

[abstract sequoia]

no

[narrow heron]

Yeah that’s true, another reason why going for badum is a better idea

[quick birch]

never trust ingame recommendations most of the time they are insanely outdated our just straight up wrong

[abstract sequoia]

and ingame recommended are all outdated or inaccurate info without many details

[sweet flax]

No she's terrible

Also you can probs draw the connection if a team is good or not just by seeing jingwei as the elf recommendation

[swift wadi]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11gHEojdZvqrYEJzpkCDIT9k5AiI1pQbo/view?usp=drivesdk

Here's my recorded run.

[narrow heron]

Or is it the upcoming performance test event or something @quick birch

[sweet flax]

Always start with vita

[quick birch]

eh no strest test are called character trials in game and can be found in the Challange tab when you click on attack

[sweet flax]

You wanna press the ult button to switch into planet quaker form and do a weapon + basic sequence till the bar fills up, then recast ult and switch off (Do not hold vita atk in loa)

[narrow heron]

Oooh there I see, what’s up with that why do only a few characters have this

Was this an old mode idea that was discarded

[quick birch]

no idea lol but they give equipment cards as a rewards, no need to rush them they can be a bit stressfull

[narrow heron]

Are these characters that have trials all have like some very skill based combat? maybe that was a deciding factor at first on to whom they would give these stages for

[swift wadi]

Ok I do not understand anything xD

[quick birch]

not really i think it was just some discareded concept, i didnt play around that time so but some of those chars definitely do not have skill based combat

[sweet flax]

XD

Vita ult > weapon skill > basic sequence until bar above hp fills up > ult > qte into fws

[swift wadi]

And when do I do that?

[sweet flax]

At the beginning

And whenever you qte into her

[swift wadi]

Ok, Imma try, Thank you very much

[sweet flax]

Sparkle is just qte in>weapon skill>qte out

Do try to alternate between them or it's too quick

[swift wadi]

Ohhhh, I'm doing better.

[narrow heron]

Yeah that makes sense
People probably didn’t like the stress

[swift wadi]

And I don't know how and why

[wanton canopy]

Vita ult applies buffs so basically if you don't apply it first then you missing out on those big damages

[merry ermine]

Hello, is HoHe is still good as Ice DPS?

[quick birch]

if you have her dkey shes fine yeah she has her bosses, if not not really

[merry ermine]

thank you!

[swift wadi]

A liiiitle bit better

[narrow heron]

So is there any source for these other than the 35 we get per outfit supply?

[quick birch]

you can buy some in the LTO shop with b chips

[swift wadi]

Maybe this is the best I can do

[narrow heron]

Oh yeah I can also buy HoO from there

[wanton canopy]

You could definitely go higher but if you are at top 3 i believe is enough

You in A2?

[narrow heron]

if my country’s economy wasn’t the button of the barrel I may have caved in and bought some to get HoO lol

[swift wadi]

Im doing not so good xD

[swift wadi]

yes

[swift wadi]

How....

[naive pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1197360988580761712/1331060992200937473/kitty-puke-puke.gif

[narrow heron]

Is that it? No f2p method?

Nothing in any events of any sort?

[quick birch]

sometimes there are outfit boxes with some in it but they are rather rare

[wanton canopy]

Mald hard hahaha trying different variations of rotations and see what gives more pts

Or try different team but who knows idk other team rots

Idk if JDS dps does better

[abstract sequoia]

login bonus does give you normal outfit tickets

[coral dew]

i cant find MPE in the Elysian Realm builds is that because they havent updated it or am i just blind?

[abstract sequoia]

as for special ones, I'm not sure sadly

but I do remember getting some even without spending money

outfit pyramid supplies have them, some outfit boxes can also have them

one I could find for sure to have one was an outfit selector back in 7.3

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Silky_Year_Outfit_Option

[swift wadi]

I got more points (2)

;w;

but by using this team

[abstract sequoia]

your best JDS WoD team really

[swift wadi]

huh?

[abstract sequoia]

yeah, unless you have senadina. could try with her too as a support

[swift wadi]

I basically do not understand what you're saying xD

[abstract sequoia]

but seeing this, why don't you just use JDS with Badum as leader?

[swift wadi]

I'm really lacking information.

[abstract sequoia]

okay what part?

How Senadina is a support for Songque?

[swift wadi]

Who's senadina?

Umm.......

Am i blind or something

[abstract sequoia]

The battlesuit name is Deepspace Anchor: First Light

[naive pivot]

[abstract sequoia]

But either way, i'd actually prefer you use Badum/JDS/Sparkle in a team. Try to spam QTEs and prioritize using JDS for most of your damage

Playing this way, you actually want to not outburst and spam QTEs to swap into JDS as much as possible

only outburst right at the end for a bigger dmg boost

[runic canopy]

Ohh...

[runic canopy]

Oh, so Phys. Breach also affects DEF. Oki...

Thanks Lyo and Mango

[wanton canopy]

Ight I'm not malding this one I'll just sleep it off

I could get 750+ but eh

[low estuary]

cheapest way i can get these

[slim blaze]

Teams i can use for hod minion?
Currently using rs fws jds

[frozen crypt]

well yes but actually no

impair is a debuff on the enemy which affects it DEF
phys breach is a buff on your valk/team that allows them to penetrate a % of DEF

[calm kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-pam-beesly-theyre-the-same-picture-the-same-picture-they-are-the-same-picture-gif-20830121

[frozen crypt]

this small difference is what makes them stackable despite working the same in practice if you only have one in effect

[rotund pasture]

Wait impair= -flat defense breach= -def%?

[abstract sequoia]

the difference is the order of how the effects apply. impair reduces DEF, breach ignores part of the remaining DEF

[rotund pasture]

Ah

[narrow heron]

Is there a pattern to which characters are added to war treasury? Cuz I noticed Sirin and Jade Kinght which belong to 6.9 and 6.1 are added but not any other post 6.0 character if I’m not mistaken

[abstract sequoia]

it's not entirely random, the patterns are more based on relation

[narrow heron]

It looks like up to pre 6.0 character are in the dorm supply and up to pre 7.0 are in war treasury

So do they always go one major update higher with each new addition?

With dorm being 1 lower than war treasury

[abstract sequoia]

dorm supply happens before being added to war treasury, but whether lets say aponia makes it next to war treasury is a part of the pattern that's unknown

mobius turned out to come next in line

[calm kernel]

they add stuff mostly in order

[abstract sequoia]

however, with the original herrscher trio, it was in order

[calm kernel]

just that in p1 once per year they used to add one new fresh valk immediately into WT

[abstract sequoia]

ending with flamescion in current patch

[calm kernel]

the last 2 of those would be sushang and sirin

[narrow heron]

Are those Truth and Thunder and Flame?

[abstract sequoia]

i'm sure relation of characters like "Flamechasers" are a part that's taken into account

[abstract sequoia]

Reason, Thunder and Flamescion

[calm kernel]

[abstract sequoia]

truth is part of the new trio

the evolved herrscher of reason

[narrow heron]

Yeah I mixed truth and reason again

[calm kernel]

what does this mean

[abstract sequoia]

I'm referring to Mobius being added and maybe they choose the next WT valk to be one of the FCs as part of a pattern

Release date probably takes priority though

[calm kernel]

mobius is just next valk after flamescion in release order

[narrow heron]

Reason is cheap and affordable lol
Are the currently obtainable ones via ancient legacy ever gonna be obtainable with willpower down the line? Or are all new ones gonna need legacies, or rather, both, I assume the shop order is their release order from newest to oldest and also their addition to the shop

[abstract sequoia]

i'll retract this then, it's more a speculation really

i mean idk why aponia isn't in war treasury yet

was she after mobius?

[calm kernel]

because shes like 5 patches after mobius

[abstract sequoia]

yeah okay

so dorm supply is just more ahead

[calm kernel]

theres carole, silverwing, pe, spa and pardo before her

[narrow heron]

But nah HoS is older than dark Seele but she’s put before her in the menu, although cheaper to reflect her being older

[calm kernel]

well not like they will put sp valks into WT but still

[abstract sequoia]

ancient legacy valks do get downgraded to willpower over time

[narrow heron]

That’s good to know

[abstract sequoia]

reason used to be ancient legacy when I started in 7.3

[narrow heron]

Do the very latest ones always need 640 of both?

[abstract sequoia]

no, flamescion and mobius are the latest

[narrow heron]

Were they also later than Sirin and Sushang in the release order?

[calm kernel]

no

[narrow heron]

I guess the price reflect release order recency rather than addition recency then

[abstract sequoia]

at least sushang was always farmable

[calm kernel]

cause as i just said sirin and sushang were added to WT immediately on their release patch

and mpe before that

[abstract sequoia]

this is also why fragments have a smaller weekly cap

[narrow heron]

Were they the only characters to ever be like this?

[calm kernel]

and fr before that

[shadow gyro]

i think mpe too? not sure tho

[calm kernel]

[narrow heron]

And after 2.5 years their price still isn’t downgraded

[calm kernel]

well they are still more new than anything else in there

[narrow heron]

Yeah that’s probably why

[calm kernel]

well i lie, mpe was released between flamescion and mobius

so not newest anymore

[narrow heron]

Who

[shadow gyro]

mpe is miss pink elf

[narrow heron]

Oh Elysia

[rugged compass]

No, it depends if they are awakened or uh..not awakened

Awakened valks ended in 5.5 with PE
(Assuming just AL cost)

[calm kernel]

faq ches

[rugged compass]

Im wrong?

Wait oh

Of both?

[calm kernel]

awakened just have slightly lower fragment cost (and higher buy cap) to compensate for many needed

[rugged compass]

The intial buying cost is cheaper tho right?

640 vs 600

[narrow heron]

How can I know who is an awakened and who is not

[calm kernel]

if their fragments dont look like puzzle pieces but some weird shape

it literally means nothing than they are more expensive to rank up

[narrow heron]

Also is it a game bug that mutes the music when I change window or is it a feature I can turn off and on?

[calm kernel]

and as breath said we havent had awakeneed valk in years, deprecated system

[narrow heron]

By the way, which patch was p2 launch patch?

[calm kernel]

7.3

[narrow heron]

I see, so wolf dawn is awakened

[abstract sequoia]

Is there any ingame way to know an awakened valk outside of inherited skill levels?

[rugged compass]

For time reference
5.5 was february 24th 2022 (glb release)

[narrow heron]

Or Yae GM

[abstract sequoia]

I mean I saw the "Awakened" label in the old UI

[covert delta]

what should i get witht the rest of my thingies here

[abstract sequoia]

on valks that were just that

i wonder why they removed it

[rugged compass]

This works @abstract sequoia

[narrow heron]

By the way was rebirth the last herrscher to be added to the game?

[abstract sequoia]

aight

so anything not puzzle-pieced

[calm kernel]

you can see the base here too

"Soul"

[abstract sequoia]

Yeah but not every valk has this

I mean Senti is awakened right?

or HoR

[abstract sequoia]

guess i'm blind

[abstract sequoia]

okay yeah omegablind

i wish this system would be used practically again

[calm kernel]

some of the first awakened valks do have puzzle pieces fragments before hoyo figured out it shud be some cool soul shape

[abstract sequoia]

but I guess they just experimented with ways of upgrade discounts

[narrow heron]

Is there any point in getting the soul character of an awakened character?

[abstract sequoia]

yeah that's a part that makes this even more confusing

[shadow gyro]

you checked the pinned guide?
for the most part, you can use it on the elf box (but don't open it yet) or horb stamp if you have horb's gear and u actually use her

[calm kernel]

i mean easiest way is just look at rank up cost

[abstract sequoia]

i guess, but lots of menuing

[calm kernel]

not 25? awakened

[abstract sequoia]

and dependant on WT staying the way it is

[calm kernel]

also substars instead of s1 s2..

[abstract sequoia]

oh yea good call

But Roza isn't awakened right?

because you can get 30 frags in wt

unless I misremember

i just remember the substars on her

[calm kernel]

i would just not worry about the spaghetti that are the old valks

[abstract sequoia]

but I kinda have to for dorm upgrades

and I want to make it as efficient as possible

[calm kernel]

how many exp are you missing

[narrow heron]

I’m really trying to figure out all the key characters and game’s timelines in a day lol

[calm kernel]

yes

[narrow heron]

Also I’d appreciate it if anyone can answer this

[calm kernel]

i dont think its a bug but you cant control it either

always been like that

but the thing is if you are in a stage the music will keep playing when alt tabbed

only menu music cuts out

[narrow heron]

Bruh

[sweet flax]

Slacc af

[abstract sequoia]

i literally lack resources

[narrow heron]

Who should I get between Sirin and Sushang

[frozen crypt]

From where

[narrow heron]

WT

[frozen crypt]

Those are the only two you have left?

If not

!faq wt

[small willow]

War Treasury Farming

Hey, Captain!

Click [here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the War Treasury Farming Recommendation, which is kept updated!

Short Answer:

• If there are limited-time discounts on character cards, buy them ASAP!
• Prioritise buying character cards of Valkyries that are in Elysian Realm.
• After that, unlock everyone else for dorm progression.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[sweet flax]

Sounds like slacker excuse kopfschüttel

[narrow heron]

Those are the ones I feel like are worth buying from the ones I don’t have before the others

[calm kernel]

none of them will have any use to you beyond getting some ER crystals

[frozen crypt]

Well the guide is there, you can go off your own feelings if you want but its not correct

[narrow heron]

Both of them are in ER so I guess going by this they don’t take priority over each other

[narrow heron]

Can y’all stop assuming everyone is trying to have the best and strongest meta relevant characters here lol

[sweet flax]

Unless you have a use to those character no none of them take priority

[sweet flax]

That's what we are supposed to do, you don't want meta advice mention you're a casual player

[frozen crypt]

!faq advice

[small willow]

Expected Help Channel Advice

Right here, Captain!

The expectation for giving advice is that you should should ALWAYS assume the player is meta-orientated until they say otherwise. If you are not sure what type of advice they are seeking, you can simply ask whether they want to play for meta or casual reasons.

Expect advice about account investments to be based on objectively measurable factors, i.e. parts of the game where a meaningful performance-based score is awarded. This means Abyss, Memorial Arena, and Elysian Realm. We can't give advice based on subjective factors, like appearance or fun-ness. We also don't evaluate battlesuits and equipment based on parts of the game where the selection is inconsequential, like story mode.

Some people may tell you that the help channels do not cater to casual players - this is objectively wrong. If someone states that they are a casual player, you are expected to cater to their needs. Anyone trying to create an environment that is not friendly to casual players should be reported via modmail (#contact-mod) or to a St. Freya Professor. The same also applies for Captains who are repeatedly giving advice that is wrong from a meta standpoint.

Thank you for aiming to keep our help channels friendly for all.

[narrow heron]

Ok I’ll just add in “for a casual” at the end of all my questions

[sweet flax]

Easier way to do it, put it in your server name

[frozen crypt]

yeah or you can put casual player in your nicknam that also works

[calm kernel]

sure, just expect 90% of answers in that case to be "do whatever you want"

[narrow heron]

Lol

[slim blaze]

Just the first question lol

[calm kernel]

thats how the casual life is

[sweet flax]

Also the questions you ask are the same regardless if casual or not, priority from wt is personal preference if suitable > most net benefits

[narrow heron]

Ok I’m also a discord noob where can I change my server name lol

[sweet flax]

go to discord settings

Same place where you can customise your profile there's a server profile option

[calm kernel]

you can just right click your own name and edit

[sweet flax]

Seeing as they're starting every message with caps on, I think it might be phone

[narrow heron]

Got it

Thanks

Yeah it’s a phone client

[calm kernel]

well same thing left click/right click, tap/hold

[narrow heron]

Yeah it also worked on mobile

[sweet flax]

well anyways name done

[calm kernel]

on like every phone app unless the developers are devils

[narrow heron]

Ok now I was trying to ask lol…

with this roster I was thinking Su Shang could be good for APHO Bronya or Elysia but I also lack a fire dps and Sirin is from a later patch than Su Shang so I was thinking maybe she is worth more

[runic canopy]

i see...

[calm kernel]

sirin is not a fire dps

[narrow heron]

Ok she’s not? Lol

[runic canopy]

Ok thanks

[narrow heron]

Ok then I’ll get Sushang

[calm kernel]

shes specifically ignite dps, her raw fire damage is very very low

[narrow heron]

I’m confusion

[calm kernel]

hofs will probably do better

[sweet flax]

You can do a somewhat copeful sirin team since you have tfm (ae breach can be a hotr replacement)

As for jk, you already have hohe dkey for ice content, no need for her unless you prefer sw (either way you'll get both wt later)

[narrow heron]

ok hold on a second let me look up these shorthands lol

[calm kernel]

but since you are casual you should probably just try out different fire characters in trials and see which ones gameplay you like

[sweet flax]

Ignite is a status applied by fire valks

All ignite dps are fire type dps, but not all fire dps are ignite dps

(No I'm not counting ignite trauma weapons)

[calm kernel]

point is if you are just comparing sirins fire damage done to other characters its very poop

[narrow heron]

I see

[sacred meteor]

anyone missing 82 gems?

[calm kernel]

you missed some login days

[sacred meteor]

bricked

[narrow heron]

I was thinking of the teams Ima have built down the line
First being Elysia with Sushang and Kira, so I’m only missing Sushang
Then HoT with FR and Sparkle
And at last SW with Pardofelis and AE
But I also hear Eden to be a good electro support
After this PE for my physical team and Sirin if I end up getting her for a fire team

[calm kernel]

im curious why are you even building different element teams if you dont care about meta

[narrow heron]

Just a side goal to have while collecting waifus

You know it’s not 0 and 1

I’m like 80% waifu collecting 20% trying to not have dogshit teams that are not synergic at all

[sweet flax]

Hot and sparkle are not synergistic at all

[haughty elbow]

hot fr sparkle has me looking like

[narrow heron]

She fills up her ult lol

I dunno I play them together in Star Rail so was just doing the same here

[sweet flax]

The fire buffs arr appreciated on the lightning valk who can ult every 2nd rot

[narrow heron]

Eden can take Sparkle’s place then

[calm kernel]

ok well just let me warn you even if you build a "correct" team from 3 years ago (and somehow get their gear, you wont) they will still be absolutely dogshit compared to any modern team. but you do you

[narrow heron]

And Sparkle cam be Sirin or HoFl companion

[calm kernel]

yes, eden would be good instead of sparkle

[hot wyvern]

Is the abyss boss splitting up rng

[sweet flax]

Right now they are both honkai, but they are 2 different chara kits

[narrow heron]

I’m not trying to compete with modern teams that’s the thing

[sweet flax]

Outside p2 sparkle can only buff fire

[narrow heron]

Is she good with Sirin? Or HoFl?

[sweet flax]

Hofl? You mean hofs (flamescion)

Also yes she's bis with hotr for p1 fire

[narrow heron]

Yeah sorry about that

[narrow heron]

Not really synergic with Sirin?

[sweet flax]

Sirin is a part of "p1 fire" she's just an ignite dps not a fire dps

[narrow heron]

I see

[frozen crypt]

she actually buffed sirin a shit ton

[sweet flax]

0 x 100000 is still 0

[frozen crypt]

but despite this sirin still isn't good ^

my poor girl

why did they make you mech fire

[narrow heron]

Sirin is from 6.9 compared to HoFs who is from 5.0 so I was expecting her to be a lot better

[haughty elbow]

if she was psy she would be meta

[sweet flax]

Because they gave bio to hua
I'm surprised they didn't choose psy

[frozen crypt]

psy would have been nice af

[sweet flax]

2 different charas with different roles

[frozen crypt]

sadge

[calm kernel]

but it kinda is either you care about meta and go for teams that can actually compete or do whatever you want. if all the other players are at power level 200 upgrading your level 40 team to level 60 isnt going to change anything

unless you have some more specific goals like "i really like sirin i want to build the best team possible for her" or "i dont want to spend any crystals"

[sweet flax]

Should ask ram about mobius in BiS would dissuade all players from playing casually

[narrow heron]

Well it’s more like “i don’t wanna play events and chase after crystals for new shiny things when I prefer p1 designs and characters more”

[frozen crypt]

tbh in that case u can have the best of both worlds because it'll probably become impossible to invest crystals into p1 valks within a year or so

[sweet flax]

P1 designs have been good and bad, the same applies to p2

Most players are just blind to newer designs imo

[frozen crypt]

you can upgrade p1 valks you like as side projects while investing crystals in part 2 teams so you don't have dogshit teams

[sweet flax]

It's personal preference in the end anyways

[frozen crypt]

^

[narrow heron]

And I also really like Mei and Elysia and want to get them as good as I can there’re that as well

[slim blaze]

Just chill in a3 or smth

As long as it aint a2 and below..

[sweet flax]

As a reference, this sirin simp still tries to make hov great again

I still try to make io work

But we prioritise meta with our accounts

[frozen crypt]

tries? bitch I succeed

[sweet flax]

Right how is sirin doing this abyss

[slim blaze]

Hair

At what cost tho ..

[frozen crypt]

bold of u to assume I did the boss

[sweet flax]

[frozen crypt]

[calm kernel]

yeah so if you want to play HoT and maximize her team thats a more well defined question

[frozen crypt]

do you have 7T is the first question

[narrow heron]

I was trying to do that but it seems impossible to go any further than I already have other than getting Eden (got her sig sword to 65)

[sweet flax]

Do you like hot specifically or mei actually, you could get away with hoo dps more easily

[frozen crypt]

uh oh sig?

[narrow heron]

I was lucky with Elysia cuz of her new gear and getting her new weapon early

[frozen crypt]

oh nice

[narrow heron]

Mei but I don’t have HoO unfortunately as you can see

[sweet flax]

By hot sig.... do you mean castigation or 7 thunders

[calm kernel]

i hope that sig sword is 7 thunders

[narrow heron]

I will try to get HoO of the game ever adds her to a BP or WT shop

[sweet flax]

Wt is proba gonna be another year at earliest

[frozen crypt]

they have to eventually

[narrow heron]

Does she have any other sig weapon?

[calm kernel]

the correct answer is no

[sweet flax]

Like elysia, her old weapon and her dkey

[calm kernel]

the technically correct answer is yes

[narrow heron]

and yes it is

[sweet flax]

Thank god

[calm kernel]

[frozen crypt]

great

[narrow heron]

again, was lucky to have the weapon in the BP shop

[sweet flax]

Honestly can craft handel

Hot ranks in wt too

[frozen crypt]

she only has 1 sig, domain of sanction/key of castigation

ye you'll want SS1 HT minimum

[sweet flax]

Does hot get 8 or 10 shards in wt per week

[narrow heron]

can I get a trasnlation

what is ss1 ht

[frozen crypt]

huh

SS1 HoT

[sweet flax]

Ss1 is the rank

[calm kernel]

you should work towards smth like this. upgrade edens weapon to 65 ofc, and use kiana elf instead. the screenshot is a bit old

[narrow heron]

And ht?

[frozen crypt]

HoT

[sweet flax]

Hot = ht = check glossary

[frozen crypt]

SS1 HoT

[narrow heron]

I see

[amber finch]

im so proud of you for not spoonfeeding

brings a tear to the eye

[sweet flax]

Hot is herrscher of thunder, yknow, mei you are building

[amber finch]

fork you

[sweet flax]

[narrow heron]

Yeah making a Handel piece was too much dedication for me I gave up and work with edison now lol, if only she had a prisma set I could forge

[abstract sequoia]

honestly, in context of newer players it's less spoonfeeding and more speaking common language to them

[amber finch]

atleast you dont need to do UM over and over now

[frozen crypt]

you could go for goemon mb then craft handel when you feel like you're ready to

[amber finch]

just lite it

[abstract sequoia]

its understandable to not know the glossary by heart right from the start

[sweet flax]

They gotta experience what we did

[frozen crypt]

no its not if you don't know every abbreviation before talking in the channel ur banned for life

(lying)

[amber finch]

i went insane speedrunning g4 fire

1 patch for 3pc

[sweet flax]

Actually I have no idea what to do in mirage anymore

[calm kernel]

thats why the glossary exists so you can study it when you dont know

[sweet flax]

I finished judah and now I'm lost again

[abstract sequoia]

still need the initial push

[calm kernel]

MA stuffs

[narrow heron]

I find it funny when you are trying to attack someone else for being patient with others instead of only not being patient yourself

[amber finch]

i dont need any of the g4s lmao, just wanna craft shake:A for my da now

[sweet flax]

I was thinking finishing elysia tm for mpe since she's ranked and has weapon

[amber finch]

missing a shit ton of fuel tho

[calm kernel]

have you heard of our lord and saviour avo 2pc

[narrow heron]

No this guy is what I wanted to mention

[abstract sequoia]

it was sarcasm

[narrow heron]

Wrong reply

[abstract sequoia]

oh okay

[narrow heron]

You were on my side lol thanks

[frozen crypt]

D:

[sweet flax]

My lord and savior is the dogshit known as linnaeus

[calm kernel]

[amber finch]

[frozen crypt]

ches isnt attacking anyone he's just yapping like the ratty dog he is I apologise on his behalf

[odd plume]

affix device, good enough for the most part

[amber finch]

hey fuck you lyo

[sweet flax]

Yes ches is a bigger rat than the actual rat

[amber finch]

now im attacking

[frozen crypt]

[sweet flax]

You can make those?

[amber finch]

https://tenor.com/view/charge-smash-cat-bite-charge-smash-cat-bite-gif-15342273195042263536

[frozen crypt]

attack me in dms

no limits

[amber finch]

yeah no you’ll maul me to death there

[odd plume]

can buy the 15~20 atk version

[frozen crypt]

:)

[sweet flax]

If ches throws in a slur I'll whale on his account (no promises)

[odd plume]

in mirage shop

[sweet flax]

[amber finch]

tichu 2.0 real

[sweet flax]

Oh those ones, good idea actually

[amber finch]

i need that 65 bchips

[narrow heron]

where or how can I find this geomon mb I can't find it lol

[sweet flax]

Click on the stigmata needed to craft from

[abstract sequoia]

click on back for the general stigma list and filter by g3 and lightning

you're viewing only HoT "recommendations" right now

[amber finch]

dont use that viewing system

[abstract sequoia]

by far not everything she can use

[amber finch]

it sux

[frozen crypt]

g3 ishikawa goemon and don't sort by equipper it filters out a lot of useful stigs

[sweet flax]

Just click this

It'll take you to the stigmata

[narrow heron]

it looks like I need monet first

[frozen crypt]

also please note goemon MB before T

[sweet flax]

You don't, don't click on the transmute one

[frozen crypt]

no you don't

[narrow heron]

oh wait

[sweet flax]

You do g3 > transmute to g4

[abstract sequoia]

nah, there are 2 versions. one you upgrade and one you craft on its own

[narrow heron]

ok I need the red spatial things a lot

[sweet flax]

Stigmata resonance conversion in mirage shop

[amber finch]

its a time and resource consuming task

[abstract sequoia]

no problem, you have a few sources for these

[frozen crypt]

10 per week from ER

[narrow heron]

which I get 20 per week in from ER and 400 per month from the shop

[sweet flax]

Actually before this, do you have mei beach m and Newton b

[narrow heron]

10 from shop 10 from deep sequence

[frozen crypt]

oh yeah lol

no wonder I had so many

[abstract sequoia]

yeah don't convert stigma reso before actually buying out exchange stigmas you need

the grind of those is very time consuming

[sweet flax]

Just get it from top up bonuses

[abstract sequoia]

[sweet flax]

[narrow heron]

how do I have 5k of those out of nowhere lol

[abstract sequoia]

BP offers them I believe

can't check right now

[sweet flax]

Adventure tasks

[frozen crypt]

240/week if ur max level

well not even max just like half or more

[abstract sequoia]

open world tasks and any Gx foundry and gacha stig gives you 1k for converting

[narrow heron]

I have pretty much nothing

[abstract sequoia]

don't convert them then. you have other better sources for red spatials

[narrow heron]

i would have gone for a prisma set if any existed for her but the other forgeable ones are just too grindy for me

[abstract sequoia]

imagine getting 1 stigma worth in one month of grinding

[narrow heron]

just out of curiosity would the HoO prisma set work for HoT?

[frozen crypt]

that'd be nice

[sweet flax]

I wish event stigmata gave them too, they're so shit

[abstract sequoia]

wait, 960 in 4 weeks

its not even 1k...

[frozen crypt]

HoO prism set...?

[narrow heron]

yeah the Raiden Mei set

[frozen crypt]

its not prism tho

[sweet flax]

That's not a prisms set

[frozen crypt]

you can't craft it

[abstract sequoia]

raiden mei is p1 stig set

[narrow heron]

ok I thought prims means obtained by pulling, I war wrong apparently

is prism a p2 thing

[frozen crypt]

yes

[abstract sequoia]

Herrscher buffs work for both, that's why HoO can use HoT's signature stigma

[sweet flax]

Yep

[abstract sequoia]

the opposite is true

[sweet flax]

Isn't zhenyi better than benares tho

Not the 3pc

[frozen crypt]

for HoO?

[sweet flax]

Ye

[abstract sequoia]

i'm just saying that it's usable

[frozen crypt]

its situational I think?

[abstract sequoia]

not what's optimal

[sweet flax]

Ah fair fair

[frozen crypt]

anyway benares and zhenyi both aren't options for Parsa tbh

zhenyi maybe but I don't see the point when its not BiS

[abstract sequoia]

general pieces first

newton B and mei: beach M

[sweet flax]

And make goemon through foundry

[frozen crypt]

I mean are they really going to be doing SS MA that competitively to require either of them

I think in this case it actually wouldn't be stupid to say forget newt and ppm go get that HoT buff lol

[abstract sequoia]

no but at least Mei: Beach is a great dmg stig on a slot that has little offensive options

[narrow heron]

HoT's sig stigma? Benares?

[abstract sequoia]

yea

[frozen crypt]

yea but ignore benares for u

[abstract sequoia]

HoO can use that

[sweet flax]

Don't get benares atp

[narrow heron]

so the Raiden Mei set would work on HoT as well?

[sweet flax]

Another way to think of it is hoo can use handel

[abstract sequoia]

All Herrscher buffs work, any buffs restricted to HoO don't

like Joint Burst

[frozen crypt]

I don't see how you can obtain raiden mei regardless of the answer here

[sweet flax]

Bp changes probs

[narrow heron]

it's not like I have any way to get the Raiden Mei set anyways, but if I could I would have lol

[narrow heron]

yeah was just typing it

[frozen crypt]

its not in bp unfortunately

lol

in future yes tho

[abstract sequoia]

praying for pointless Adv i guess

[frozen crypt]

xD

[abstract sequoia]

just for gear

[frozen crypt]

naurrrrr

[narrow heron]

was asking for a future BP shop that may have them like how HoTr is on the current one

[abstract sequoia]

me in a few months

🫙 savings jar

[frozen crypt]

iirc her gear was in bp already?

or am I tweaking?

[abstract sequoia]

HoO was in last BP season yes

thats how I got her sword

[frozen crypt]

so yeah not good chances for bp anytime soon, far future tho yes

[narrow heron]

I missed it unfortunately so I'm hoping it would get added to the legacy reworked shop down the line

rather than miss, I was not playing the game at that time

[abstract sequoia]

maybe at some point later, but who knows if trio is still relevant at that point

[frozen crypt]

not anytime soon, valks normally go release gacha > rerun(s) > ADV > disappear for a bit, might show up in BP > dorm supply > war treasury

[narrow heron]

the legacy shop already has HoHe tho

[abstract sequoia]

a new bronya has better chances than hoo gear to reappear

[narrow heron]

and she was just given away for free, and was released only a few patches before HoO

[abstract sequoia]

hoyo just resurrected her from the dead, they want to shill that

no way a 2 week dk banner will be everything

[narrow heron]

just out of curiosity, how is she compared to modern characters with her new gears meta-wise, did that resurrection barely make her walk or is she running?

[abstract sequoia]

somewhere in-between I'd say

she has her uses

especially on the bosses she previously excelled at

[narrow heron]

I really like to have a new prism set for HoT lmao, 3 instant 50 tickets are eating dust here

[dry python]

Not happening

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220930385009967145/1316388116768227339/IMG_6451.png?ex=67a7fd38&is=67a6abb8&hm=bae4788df2df106c083ad01ee50b0ec73d42c95a784d2cafbd3ae8ed872f2f2b&

[frozen crypt]

HoT and prism sets do not work

[abstract sequoia]

oh trust me, you will have use for it

[frozen crypt]

prism sets are extremely specific to one valkyrie

[narrow heron]

I could use the tickets for HoFi if i get her in the adv banner

[abstract sequoia]

its good keeping 3 around though for desperate times

[frozen crypt]

just read any 2pc/3pc effect from a prism stigmata set, the amount of 'when equipped by x' is stupid

[frozen crypt]

if you're pulling adv there shouldn't be an if in that sentence, if you can't hard pity you are putting xtals down the drain

!faq adv

[small willow]

ADV Supply

Be careful, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's summary [here](#👶beginner-help message) as to why ADV is extremely bad to pull.

ADV Supply is designed to help Captains advance the rank of the Valkyrie on it. The main reasons why it is a terrible investment are as follows:

• Lower drop rate (1% compared to Battlesuit Supply's 1.5%).
• Pity DOES NOT CARRY! Therefore, you need 28k crystals before you even consider pulling this supply.
• ALL Valkyries in ADV are too old to be investing crystals into, unless you are a competitive whale.
• Stamps obtained cannot be used to unlock the Valkyrie.

Also see !faq backpull

[autumn oxide]

cay noob

[dry python]

Well they're craftable there's no reason not to have them if you have the valk

[dry python]

Ok

I can't even argue after I went like triple negative the last time I played ranked

[swift wadi]

ok I can't

[lilac reef]

Can I wait till the last day to finish the Blood Moon event? and get all rewards*

[mossy falcon]

how do i unlock Q-M Agony?

[narrow heron]

Yeah the if could also mean if I decide to go for it

[mossy falcon]

I've completed all stages
do I have to complete Sinful in specifically 120 seconds?

[narrow heron]

Me pulling for the adv is just a step towards the final goal of building this Mei team yea

[slim blaze]

Man

[narrow heron]

Who is the third member of the new HoFi geared team with HoO? Is it still HoTr or someone else?

[slim blaze]

My bracket is somewhat sweat and bald ag the same time

[quaint axle]

who do i pick from the free s rank

[slim blaze]

Hofi dps? Thats still hotr. Not unless its some super niche shenanigans

[narrow heron]

HoO dps

[slim blaze]

Kinda flexible. Just use trio again tho lol.

Same shit slightly different rot

[swift wadi]

I somehow did it

[slim blaze]

Wew slaccc

Eggony 2 860 T1?? Where the 900 gang at

[amber finch]

i promoted to rl

[frozen crypt]

3rd team member can either be GD, Sleepy Teri or Luna, all 3 should be good, I go with GD cuz she's my only option tho lmfao

and ofc HoTr but u lose the HoO ult

[narrow heron]

Yeah I noticed when playing with them in trial modes, it looked like they get a team ult via Kiana instead of individual ults if together

I was just wondering about the frequency of outfit supply banners, do we always get one per patch?

[calm kernel]

try one per year

[narrow heron]

There’s no way that’s the case

I’m pretty sure we had one a few months ago

Like 2 months ago or so

[calm kernel]

theres new outfits every patch from events / for bchips

but the big banners for really cool outfits are rare

[narrow heron]

Like the current one?

[calm kernel]

yes

[narrow heron]

What was the outfit banner 2 months ago then

I don’t even remember whose outfit it was

It was some time during Sparkle’s banner and the free HoHe giveaway

[calm kernel]

rerun of old outfit

[narrow heron]

Whose outfit was it again? And do we get reruns frequently?

I just wanna know if I can keep getting 35 outfit coupons per patch lol

[calm kernel]

it was the fov outfit. and no the big outfits usually rerun once or twice to be never seen again

[narrow heron]

Ooh yeah I remember now, no I meant not like rerun for a specific outfit but rather a rerun for any outfit, do we get one per patch?

[calm kernel]

no

[narrow heron]

How can I get my HoT skin then dammit lol

[calm kernel]

with money

[narrow heron]

I was hoping if we consistently get one per patch it would eventually reach enough from the 35 it gives to get it

[narrow heron]

Even with money it doesn’t seem possible without a lot of waiting

[calm kernel]

yes outfits are heavy on the fomo

get it while its hot or pray for rerun sometime

[narrow heron]

It needs 168 and I somehow have 71 right now, I can buy like 45 from lto, which I dunno how frequently it refreshes

If I could buy it with gems i totally would I dunno why they’re gatekeeping some outdated characters” aesthetics like this so hard lol

And if I wanted to spend money I would just buy HoO as it’s available right now lol

But it’s crazy to me that even with spending money you can’t get a skin here unless you wait for shop refreshes, why do they hate money lol

[calm kernel]

its not very deep

if stuff was always available then ppl would just decide to buy it later, possibly never

if stuff is only available now and its gonna go away and you dont know when if ever it will come back then you will feel compelled to buy it now

[narrow heron]

That’s true for like the box that has for example HoO but what about the 15 outfit coupon per 60 B-chip

Why the hell does it have a 3 times purchase cap

[raw hamlet]

Theres so many different character banners. Is there a pin on what to pull as new player? Sorry if asked before

[frozen crypt]

!faq pull

[small willow]

Pulling Priority

Yo, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the pulling priority for this patch!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[raw hamlet]

thank you

[narrow heron]

Does this thing not refresh to 3 times again in 15 days? Is it gonna be impossible to even buy these after the current shop ends?

[frozen crypt]

for?

these?

[narrow heron]

Yeah

[frozen crypt]

because its a temporary offer because its cny

those bundles return from time to time

[narrow heron]

So normally this doesn’t exist and people cannot even pay money to buy a skin unless an offer exists

[frozen crypt]

no there's always a permanent offer for special outfit coupons

for bchips

[narrow heron]

With the same rate?

[frozen crypt]

its just more expensive than these offers

[sweet flax]

with a worse rate

literally 1 b chip for it is a bad rate already

[frozen crypt]

xd

[sweet flax]

0 value

[narrow heron]

It’s 4 per chip right now

[narrow heron]

Damn

[frozen crypt]

just get special outfit coupons from the magical girl box

[sweet flax]

no its 60 for 15 chips, not 4 for 1

[narrow heron]

Wait right I said it wrong

It’s 1 per 4 chips, but normally it’s… how much?

[abstract sequoia]

magical girl has coupons?

[sweet flax]

or future outfit banners

[frozen crypt]

possibly spending events too

!faq outfit

ah not that

[narrow heron]

Where is magic girl box

[frozen crypt]

not available yet afaik

[sweet flax]

its in 2 days

[abstract sequoia]

upcoming release yea

[low kestrel]

@abstract sequoia cool pfp

[frozen crypt]

choice between one of the 3 magical girl outifits (HoV/HoR/Nyx) or special outfit coupons, not sure how many

[sweet flax]

@abstract sequoia what's the chances I go +0

[narrow heron]

When I see PE in the same box that has the most expensive WT unit (Sirin) and HoO and HoHe it makes me think I was really lucky to get her from the dorm supply

[abstract sequoia]

Thanks, yours is also nice. Liked Chara a lot back when I was in the UT fandom

[abstract sequoia]

how many sleepers?

[sweet flax]

4 left

technically 6

[abstract sequoia]

okay you might be fine

nevermind

its a gamble

[sweet flax]

there's 1 at 18k, 2 at 12k, 4 at 0

everyone above me is a cringey dudu abuser

[abstract sequoia]

just assume 2 of those dont play at all

but 4 might try

starting in a few minutes on 6h reminder

[sweet flax]

imma try a run

[abstract sequoia]

might as well be a war horn

[calm kernel]

wheres you dudu

[abstract sequoia]

my dudu has a staff

[calm kernel]

my dudu has a pointy staff

[abstract sequoia]

mine looks fancier

[calm kernel]

mine is smol

[abstract sequoia]

also jds qtes hit like a brick still

[sweet flax]

:\

screw it

when in doubt, gotta thug it out

(this is gonna go horribly)

[narrow heron]

so I was thinking I could also build a team for her, does this team still stand true as the team I could go for?