💁gameplay-help

[lament prairie]

you mean like ppl who saw beta news and started farming?

[cunning gull]

no not that

someone who got her on release + 7.8 selector + any other chance shes been available or her stamps was

[lament prairie]

most players were NOTTT here for ||sw|| release

[cunning gull]

hmm damn

[last hull]

I started playing on the last few weeks of her patch

[lament prairie]

and even if they were

[last hull]

I did not get her

[formal wigeon]

And people that were have left her to rot for a long ass time atp

[lament prairie]

most skipped because she was one of those valks with gear boxes on banner

[last hull]

I think she was gone by the time I joined actually

[lament prairie]

and who was right before her again? or after

!faq release

[night parcel]

Valkyrie Releases

I'm here to help, Captain!

Every single Part 1 Valkyrie in [order of release](#💁gameplay-help message)!

[last hull]

PE was right after her

PE was huge at the time

Also SpA as well

[lament prairie]

LMFAOOOOO PE

LMFAOAOAOO

YEAH SKIP AS FUCK

[last hull]

First mech-fire in like ages

[cunning gull]

||i guess ss would be 7.8 selector, +s2 or s3 from wt farming, + valk selectors||

[lament prairie]

Hmm

[cunning gull]

at least s2-s3 from wt starting this week

[formal wigeon]

tbh SW was too she was just shit too play

[cunning gull]

assuming obtained alr btw

[lament prairie]

it's reasonable to assume a lot of people will have SS and SS1 I think at least for like, nirvana and RL promot

[last hull]

Was what I said wrong?

[cunning gull]

otheriwise very low like s1 or just unlocked her

[lament prairie]

just RL retain prob S2 and even S0

[last hull]

Im sorry it's been a while so my oldge ass brain has probably forgotten

[lament prairie]

no just reliving the trauma of the game being unplayable without PE

no PE demote to sinful

[cunning gull]

meh the whale hohs in my bracket i beat with s2 bad atk hoh

[lament prairie]

genuinely

[cunning gull]

rl even if they have more ranks can be bested def

nirv is the prob...

[lament prairie]

POV you are on EU

[formal wigeon]

also reliving the trauma of old no-pity gear banners at the time

[last hull]

My dumbass skipped PE cause I had no clue what I was doing

And when I realized I couldn't get BKE from the spending event without spending money, I blew ALL of my event currency on S3 HoV

[formal wigeon]

a friend threw 300 pulls, didnt get shit and left

[lament prairie]

dude my PE was running ely TB Dante M

AND IT WORKED OK

I WAS RETAINING RL

[lament prairie]

How did you not quit on the spot

[last hull]

Elysia TB was a livesaver tbh

[lament prairie]

what the fuck

ely tb was goated yeah

[formal wigeon]

[lament prairie]

same with monet t goe mb for lightning dps

[cunning gull]

[lament prairie]

IS THIS ME

FNDSJGHJDG

[formal wigeon]

this is mine

[last hull]

People were still using ElyTB up into 1.5, they were using it on DW if they were missing her stigs

[lament prairie]

DONT WATCH THE GAMEPLAY IS PROB HORRIBLE

OH I SEE OK

I was missing one part of paganini too

and I think it was acc T

fuck

[formal wigeon]

T was actually kinda shit, I had it it was just worse

[lament prairie]

discord no please

LMAOO ok

[formal wigeon]

well more like 3p was kinda shit

either glut + MB or TM + newt

[lament prairie]

[formal wigeon]

unless Carole dmg was important, but that wasn't PE

[lament prairie]

lyo what the fuck is this affix

[formal wigeon]

you either OS the core or you rot in hell

[lament prairie]

I literally was not affixing back then holy fucjk

none of my paga has a single good affix line

[formal wigeon]

the size of that gap (2 months later)

[last hull]

Holy 150+ score difference

Although ig Durandal ELF helped too

[formal wigeon]

kinda, she compensated for the D diff I guess to still one tap p1

and a RL one in the middle

[last hull]

Assuming I don't spend enough crystals to be able to purchase SS Songque from spending shop, should I try to 4* Kiana elf, get Project Bunny or Ely, or just go all in on SW frags? Or maybe smth else?

||Given what we know in the beta||

[cunning gull]

wait for beta tbh ||esp about youyun to also decide if ull get her and if she'll clash with kia elf and sq aop teams||
how far is kia elf from 4*? thats like the only relevant elf

[last hull]

16/50

Dalao essaying

[cunning gull]

hmm kia elf unless beta suggests otherwise
||but idt sw frags from will be that notable esp if you can get s2 from wt and ss from selector box (dont rush that), unless her sk makes her higher ranks more viable or theres any suggestions about it||

[last hull]

I doubt I would be able to afford any new AOp tbh

[cunning gull]

hmm hows the funds and crystal progression going?

[last hull]

Bad

Very bad actually

[cunning gull]

oh hmm

[last hull]

I have a few permanent sources to draw on but it has not been pretty

I still don't have Mei, 28 pulls till pity

[cunning gull]

i would still wait but 4* kia alr sounds nice

[last hull]

50 pulls till pity on weapon

[cunning gull]

thats rough

[last hull]

Though I still haven't used my FOCA cards yet

[last hull]

Bro I had

26 ER valks that did not hit lv 15

10 below lv 10

It's been a decent crystals source so far but... man

[cunning gull]

yeah didnt have the funds saved for this huh

[last hull]

I came back for the first time in like a long time

[cunning gull]

ohh lmao

older than me technically damn

[last hull]

I know it's better to make a new account in that time but I topped up quite a bit of money (including on PROMARE)

So I didn't want to leave it

[cunning gull]

and no other p2 valk as i take it u returned this patch?

[last hull]

I have some

[prisma sun]

Anyone know what other alternative teammates is good for Luner vow? Other than BFDD and BDFWS?

I'm wondering if Vita n Hi love ely can work

[half hatch]

hi love elf does work but vita is rather sub optimal, do you understand how p2 team building works ?

[prisma sun]

Halfy I dont understand how it works.. But I do have Luner vow astral ring unlocked

[half hatch]

!faq ring

[night parcel]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Characters under the Astral Ring System will have one ring type (Specialization), and one or multiple tags (Attributes) that will determine how they can form teams. This system is only activated if a Character with Astral Ring is set as the leader. When activated:

• the leader's ring type will decide the team's playstyle.
• the team will benefit from effects (e.g., Stigmata buffs) that require Astral Ring.
• the team will gain access to Stellar Outburst, a high damage output state you can enter after charging enough energy (Astral Ring Intensity).

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[half hatch]

maybe give the guide at the bottom a read and then we can LV with her new gear as an example

[prisma sun]

Okii

Aaa what if I dont have a second member of the GOI?

Could other characters with the tag work?

[craggy plume]

Yes the difference between different supports with the correct tag is generally quite small.

[prisma sun]

Thx!

[craggy plume]

There are some exceptions where the support is providing additional utility beyond raw damage and therefore they matter a lot more.

Or you are HoHe and deal no damage outside of stellar outburst and need someone else to take all the field time.

[prisma sun]

So vita, hi love, and lunar can work?

[craggy plume]

LP doesn't have the correct tag but can work if you have nothing else.

I would go with HLE and LV from those options.

[prisma sun]

I dont own them sadly

Kinda slow at grinding crystals

[last hull]

Random ass question but could Time Runner ever be rerun or is it too old to come back

[half hatch]

for the supports their astral ring type doesnt really matter, you only need to look at the astral ring tag, so in the case of LV her astral ring type is Grail of infinute, that means your supports want the symbioses support tag

you can also filter your valks in game by astral ring types/tags

[craggy plume]

It was available in 8.4 last time if I can believe what the wiki tells me.

[craggy plume]

So it should not be out of question that it can rerun.
https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Time_Runner

[last hull]

Im aware that it reran recently which is why Im afraid it will never come back after that

[prisma sun]

Can heavenly shift work to? The tag

[craggy plume]

Heavenly shift only works for LoA

[half hatch]

no, for Grail of Infinitude you want the symbioses tag

[prisma sun]

Should I get da bum or behold? For the symbioses

[half hatch]

each astral ring type has a corresponding tag to it, the astral ring types are in the top row and the corresponding tags are below them

[half hatch]

you can try to get either of them with the 20 free carnival pulls we get but i wouldnt recommend to invest crystals into them as of now

[prisma sun]

Is there any rerun of them later on?

[half hatch]

if you dont have another symbioses unit than you'll just have to stick with vita for now since she still contributes to the leader bonus

[prisma sun]

I'll as damned if the BP shop reruns Da bum/Be hold

Since I'm planning to get songque from the BP since she's my fav

[half hatch]

they'll both rerun in the carnival banner this patch, if they'll rerun later on isnt something i can guarantee but they should get at least another rerun before they go out of the banner rotation

[prisma sun]

Does carnival pity saves? After their banner end

[craggy plume]

Only inside of this patch.

[half hatch]

the BP seems to be going by release order lately so they prob wont be in there for a bit

[prisma sun]

Is it possible to predicr the next characters in the BP?

[knotty niche]

Could ask me to delete my comment I just want to drop a example of the difference using vita for GoI
My mei with badum, cora2, ss cx scored 849
My mei with cora2, vita, ss cx scored 793

[prisma sun]

Who's next in the BP shop?

[half hatch]

they've been consistent with it ever since thelema so the next prediction would be Schicksal imperative

we can't guarantee this ofc but CN beta v2 should be out in a few days

[last hull]

Have gacha outfits ever been made available by some other means

[prisma sun]

Should I get SI?

[last hull]

Or is it just if they dissapear they dissapear

[prisma sun]

After I gotten Songque full set

[last hull]

All P2 stigs are craftable so I wouldnt recommend spending crystallum on them

[quasi pier]

you have to just hope that the pyramid skin reruns

[last hull]

I was thinking of Time Runner actually, I know it reran recently but Im afraid that might have been its last time

[prisma sun]

I'm planning to get her sig n herself in the BP imo

[craggy plume]

Do we mean Starry Impression here?

[last hull]

They mean eepy

[craggy plume]

If Simp then no

[prisma sun]

Schucksal

[last hull]

Cause eepy is Schicksal Imperative

[prisma sun]

Wondering if she's good for lunar

[half hatch]

i assume you mean Schi ? i dont necessarily recommend her at this point no, she's a rather niche DPS from the start and quantum bosses don't really appear that often.
As of her supportive capabilities she's okay ig but you already have better options for the ring she supports with your current roster

[last hull]

That was for P1 Luna

[half hatch]

she doenst work with LV anymore now since she got her new gear

[last hull]

Luna now has a DKey so eepy is not used for her

[prisma sun]

Who should I try to get then?

[half hatch]

SchI only has domain resonance and Harmonised shadow star as her support tags, which LV doesnt benefit from

[half hatch]

i would just save until a valk in the BP has value for you, since you already mentioned your goal of getting JDS + her weapon from the BP because you like her your crystallum will be occupied with that for now anway

[prisma sun]

Then who is better to get for LV? Or I should get in the future

[last hull]

Yea this is the best play, just play the waiting game

[prisma sun]

Or save up for a character that'll be worth it

[half hatch]

generally i'd just recommend to keep up with future releases and wait until someone has the symbioses tag, reruns in general are not really recommended in this game since the value of a valk peaks at their release

!faq backpull

[night parcel]

What is 'Backpulling'?

Captain! Ai-chan can help!

'Backpulling' refers to pulling a Valkyrie or her equipment (or both!) on a rerun instead of on her release.

For more information on why this is considered damaging to an account for Captains who want to pursue meta in the game, click [here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[last hull]

Also tbh the characters that have gotten Stellar DKeys have aged kinda poorly

[prisma sun]

Hmm

[last hull]

Luna might be a little more safe since GoI still is relatively new?

[prisma sun]

So I can save up after getting full set Qingque to get better units for her?

[last hull]

But I dont expect her to have a crazy long shelf life

[prisma sun]

Or get better dps in the future since I'm kinda struggling in the abyss like thing

[half hatch]

in what sense, are you talking about BP or pulling now ?
For BP just save until a character seems to be usefull for you yeah

For pulling i wouldnt directly focus on getting improvements to your LV team but rather take it as a nice bonus if a new unit has the symbioses tag, from a meta perspective the pulling advice will just be "save until you can afford a new release + their weapon " most of the time

[prisma sun]

Both honestly

[half hatch]

well all new units are both a DPS and Support so you'll pull a new DPS anyway while keeping up with new releases, what tier are you in abyss RN ? assuming your chracters have their weapon i feel like a2-a3 seems very possible

[prisma sun]

I'm sure in the abyss I'm in the highest tier

[half hatch]

are you level 80 and in Redlotus ? if so i feel like your team should still be able to clear relatively easy with the right rotation

[prisma sun]

Lvl 71 n redlotus

Kinda getting full minute clears in each stages

I'm using Seele+divine key, hi love, and vita

[half hatch]

okay just going back to LV team building for a second then, did you filter your valks after the symbioses tag ? because HoRb with her dkey does have the symbioses tag

so you can use LV/hle/horb

[prisma sun]

I kinda forgot who Hle n Horb is

[half hatch]

well you'd want to switch your DPS depending on the weather but i feel like this should be able to clear, i'm no expert on masters RL so can't be 100% sure.
Do you understand how hi love elf and vita set up their buffs ?

[half hatch]

hle = hi love elf
Horb= herrscher of rebirth

!faq abbr

[night parcel]

Glossary of Terms

There are so many abbreviations, Captain! What do they mean?

Use CTRL + F or 'Find in Page' to quick search abbreviations in the Glossary of Terms: e.g., ' RC ' (the spaces help!)

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary_of_Terms

Still not sure? [Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Visual Guide for using the Glossary (applies to both PC and Mobile).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[half hatch]

for the future you can use this if you ever feel lost on an abbreviation

[prisma sun]

I can use that team?

[half hatch]

yes, do you understand why it works ? if not we can go over it again

[prisma sun]

Yes because of the tag

Is there a team I could use for songque once I got her?

[half hatch]

lets try to use this as an example of team building again so that we can see if you kinda got the idea on how it works

[prisma sun]

I dont have latern but do have thelema + her sig

[half hatch]

what ring type is songque ?

[prisma sun]

I kinda forgot.. I have a bad memory

[half hatch]

you can check it in game if you have it open rn

[prisma sun]

WOD?

[half hatch]

yeah, now what support tag does WoD want ?

[prisma sun]

Give me a few mins my hi3 is lagging a bit

Or a few sec

[half hatch]

dw take your time

[prisma sun]

It want HSS

[half hatch]

yeah, now you can filter your valks after that tag and see for yourself who could support JDS, who would be BiS depends a bit in the situation tbh but that's something we can go more in depth when you need a team for her

[prisma sun]

I have Vita, Hilove, ME, and Thelema

[half hatch]

yeah all of those work as a JDS support

and you can apply that same principle of team building to most p2 units

[prisma sun]

Hmmm would Thelema, Vita/Hi work?

[half hatch]

as JDS supports ? yeah they all have HSS, if it'll be the best option for that situation depends a bit

[prisma sun]

I'm unsure if Me help

[half hatch]

ME is generally considered to be a rather good WoD support because of her Stellar Surplus mechanic but we've also seen cases where she still wasnt used as a BiS support in WoD, as i said it really depends on the boss you're fighting

[prisma sun]

Hmm okii!

Are there any characters rerunning?

[half hatch]

for the current scheduel check the pins

[prisma sun]

Okii

Would vita sig be worth it?

[craggy plume]

No she doesn't see enough dps use cases at this point for it to be worth it

[prisma sun]

Alr thx!

[craggy plume]

Also if you don't have either HoFi with dkey or FDD she has no use even on her bosses.

[plucky gust]

on the card game event, what's the max score recorded on the emblem?

[neon narwhal]

no score this time, just unlock

[last hull]

Does JML have any use in MA anymore

[plucky gust]

whats JML?

[last hull]

Jingwei Marco Lier

[plucky gust]

at least on 80+, no. maybe on non-80+

i forgot the naming, but hi3 has 2 parts: the old captain max level, and the upgraded one. if you're on the old one, then maybe it has uses

[last hull]

Damn am I really that old

[plucky gust]

because on EX MA, getting 0sec is very easy

[last hull]

[formal wigeon]

[last hull]

That reaction has me nervous

I waas thinkng of crafting JingweiT cause it looks pretty cheap tbh

[formal wigeon]

it already wasn't used when you left man

[last hull]

But then I looked at Lier and saw it wasn't worth the mats

[last hull]

Oh

Well I never malded MA back then so I guess I missed the memo

🫠

[formal wigeon]

I don't think I ever had Lier even

And I started in 2019

[last hull]

[formal wigeon]

by the time I got to exalted it was already kinda pointless

[last hull]

I used to have CleopatraB I too wish I didn't get rid of that

[formal wigeon]

cleo I did use

[last hull]

I am not crafting that shit now

[formal wigeon]

but anyways, anything p2 is just p2 stuff, and anything P1 that still has some use is definitely not on cope gear

[last hull]

Unless I could get it from the exchange shop...?

Nah that's still a waste

Jingwei might still be ok tho I think

It's dirt cheap

[formal wigeon]

well refer to the above

[last hull]

True

[formal wigeon]

you could make it but idk what use you'd get from it

[last hull]

Why tf do I have 5 GluttonyTs

Was I really that poor back then holy shit

[formal wigeon]

5 is a bit much

[last hull]

Was Charlemenge ever useful idr

[formal wigeon]

isn't that a 3* set

[last hull]

Or maybe Im just making shit up in my head now idk anymore

[formal wigeon]

if it's the one I'm thinking about then def not

[last hull]

Or was it Bathory that had an extremely niche use...?

Idk not like any of them are remotely relvant now

[formal wigeon]

uuuuh

the only thing about Battory was to use TM instead of Attila when you just started

but you'd quickly get marco instead

[last hull]

I remember there being some 3* set that had one incredibly rare and specific use in MA

And it's not TeriO or Ogier

But maybe Im just gaslightning myself

[formal wigeon]

roald 3p was giga cope support

attila B was cope phys

with marco TM

[last hull]

Neither of those ring a bell

[last hull]

Or wait maybe it was Attila

Fah my brain is prolly playing trick on me prolly

[plucky gust]

glut T was meta. so yea.

[last hull]

Why 5 tho

[formal wigeon]

why indeed

[plucky gust]

because there's not much option for supports at one point, really.

its always PPM NewtB. so not much T options

so, why not?

[last hull]

I dont have a second PPM or Newt

[formal wigeon]

and there's not much of a point in running 2 glut generally

[last hull]

So I REALLY dunno what I was doing

[plucky gust]

welp, don't look at me, im just throwing some reasons, so yea

[plucky gust]

these are pretty damn rare at one point. so yea. understandable. and iirc exchange shop only has 6 charges/day for the free reset back then. and if you go even older, newton and poolparty wasn't on the original list? was added later

and i remember saving BP balls to get them until hoyo gave those balls a pseudo-time limit by introducing new ball type every now and then

[toxic pike]

Is the carnival banner out in less than an hour or less than 2 hours?

[last hull]

Whenever your server reset happens to be

[stiff anvil]

is it recommended to craft the new stig for LV if i dont have her new weapon? or should i just use old stigs?

[last hull]

No point, new stigs are specifically designed around AR and her DKey

[stiff anvil]

how about the other p2 characters? say, FDD, Thelema, LD

[open bone]

Most P2 characters can use their stigmas

Even with no wep

I’m trying to think of any exceptions but not coming up with any, it’s only dkey stigs that get bricked mostly

[stiff anvil]

yeay oki thanks!!

[vernal terrace]

All of them have exclusives to themselves on their stigs

[open bone]

Yeah but they can still use their own stigmas

[vernal terrace]

They'll be fine without a weapon

[open bone]

With no wep

[vernal terrace]

Like you said DKey Valks are bricked

[spiral raven]

its ded in like first two years kinda, like f2p with 0 gacha gear maybe

and if you played on release ig you use those but like take ns for example

2 or 3 patches later zorro dropped

zorro ekat lier was what you used instead on ns, in most cases prob

or by the time of tp then maybe jingwei kafka mb on like jizo for rl cope

but the jingwei marco lier b this exact combination was not super real

[last hull]

I was thinking of crafting Jingwei and Lier for shits and giggles in MA but I didn't really think the cost of crafting Lier was worth it

Good to know the set is useless

[spiral raven]

well if u mean now, yeah they all dead

but if u mean crafting it at the time, then its fine, lier still saw some uses

[last hull]

I meant now more or less

I still kinda feel like crafitng Jingwei tho

[spiral raven]

u do u

[last hull]

Maybe cause it's cheap

It's only SS Imaginons

[spiral raven]

i mean its not gonna be impactful but like these stigs arent even expensive

and like u kinda have excess old mats anyways

[last hull]

Yea I think I could slow farm my way to JingweiT

I def wont rush for it tho

[spiral raven]

then like 5 patches later or something dirac dropped

[last hull]

Ah

Can u give me motivation to do ER

[spiral raven]

its all relatively quick in terms of how the gear updated back then

[spiral raven]

xtals

[last hull]

Sigh ok

[last hull]

Who do I go

I did LDS already

[modern yew]

Sk for ora ora

[last hull]

What ego sigs?

Also should I use HTR or HR weapon

I dont have her stuff

Although I guess it doesn't matter

Void clears are easy anyways

[spiral raven]

fun part for ma back then was running shakespare tm actually for 2 set pc to keep up tf coverage on YA

the stig itself is useless tho lol

[last hull]

Lol

Damn I remember when I had to use YA and DK in the beginner events

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

[modern yew]

Honestly i dont exactly rmb the name of the ego but it was the one that increase flurry counts of her combo

[last hull]

Got it

[last hull]

SW done

Who next

Or Ill just do IO

IO done

She's kinda fun tbh I wanna use her more

Possibly get her weapon from exchange shop too

[foggy lark]

Hey guys got advised to ask this in here!! I’m a returner and was wondering what the best move is right now! I have a few part 2 units from when the game first transitioned back! The most recent one being the lady with the whip forgot her name

[jaunty sluice]

Hello, Do you guys have an elysian realm guide?

the rentry one cant be opened on my end

[delicate raven]

Are you looking from a particular valk guide? I could send you a sc of the rentry page

[last hull]

Is there any way you can directly exchange crystals for supply cards? I remember u used to be able to do it somehow but now I forgot how or if it’s even an option

I need to spend 4 more EXPA cards to unlock a returnee achievement for more crystals

[jaunty sluice]

Mei sentinel

[jaunty sluice]

thanks, this will guide me until next patch 🙇‍♂️

[strange urchin]

what does "518D | GK | 820 " mean?

[neon narwhal]

I'm assuming you saw that in a video title for an abyss run? 518 D is the disturbance, GK means god Key (Divine Key), 820 is the score

[plucky gust]

daym rice cake is one technical boss. all techs are used here like wtf

• disabling of QTEs
• pausing for better positioning

[hybrid ingot]

what to spend my carnival ticket on if I already have S2 Coralie? more rank up for her?

I have all the other carnival valks on S btw

[craggy plume]

S2 LP or PAWS, there should be a guide pinned in #👶beginner-help which mentions rank priority

[autumn heron]

Should I get Coralie for Mei?

[craggy plume]

FDD or FWS are the generally recommended picks

[prisma olive]

HLE worth saving for?

[craggy plume]

Worth backpulling? Not really.

[prisma olive]

Luna DK it is

How bad is the weather shill? (Ice Stardust)

[autumn heron]

Who's better for support for Xentinel, HLE Or Coralie? (Da one in the fes)

[dusky mantle]

which stamp lol

maybe PE for some MA shenanigans

[craggy plume]

Mostly FDD

[autumn heron]

I do not know the abriviations

[dusky mantle]

better start knowing!!!

[craggy plume]

Fate defying Dragon

[open bone]

fate defying dragon and badum fiery wishing star

but yeah read the glossary in pins

[autumn heron]

I got Badum

[open bone]

then fdd

[autumn heron]

But okei I'll try to get

[open bone]

only worth free pulls tbc

don't spend crystals

[autumn heron]

Oh well, I only spent a ten pull, Nothing I can't get back

[open bone]

yeah oops. Sorry the reason you only spend free pulls is that if you don't get the character it's wasted

So if you have enough pulls to guarentee you can consider it but don't otherwise

and also do single pulls and not ten pulls

because if you do a 10 pull and get them early the rest of the pulls got wasted

[autumn heron]

Spent thirty pulls (the free twenty plus crystals), nothing doe

[subtle swift]

The pity on carnival supply doesn't stay right?

[spiral raven]

no

tho if u mean like does it continue to the next cycle within this patch iirc it does

[subtle swift]

I mean when it ends completely

[spiral raven]

then no it doesnt carry over

[fleet flame]

I just got a double coralie on this alt acc I use for pulls, should I start playing on it? (There’s no gear tho 💀 )

[willow herald]

How much longer til NA gets the carnival supply and skin gavha?

[plucky gust]

bro, how tf did xentinel get 150 SP here starting at 1:44? does xentinel get SP when doing a dive attack?

[willow herald]

her air dive can connect into the sequence that gives the 150 SP, so it saves time compared to the normal NA sequence

[plucky gust]

so CA into CA?

[spiral raven]

ca ba ba

[plucky gust]

ca dash normal dash normal?

[spiral raven]

oh if u mean specifically 1:46
its just eva atk

after evading an atk, the follow up basic will restore sp as well

so he didn't do any ca here

[plucky gust]

is this written somewhere?

[spiral raven]

idk i can check, but if u evade u notice that the atk button lights up

there's a circle around

so just try to evade the atks then

when theres a circle around your atk or it like glows up

press the atk and if this atk hits

it gets u the sp which u should be able to hit

tho its also ok if it misses because u do have some leniency

[plucky gust]

true. the timer doesn't start counting down during that phase so i have some leeway.

[spiral raven]

yes, and the ref ur watching actually on the first evade he messed up as well, but he got it off on the second

but its to show that u can make mistake basically

[spiral raven]

and also its in her evade yeah

it says if you successfully ue then you can connect into 3rd atk

[plucky gust]

just ue? i think evasion is enough because im getting it now. ue gets disabled since you spend evasion with weapon active no?

[tardy hedge]

i believe 12pm ct so ~3.5 more hours?

[spiral raven]

its not every evasion, feels like u can trigger it once the tf from when you initially triggered ue expires you can reproc it, then immediately after, there's like another small gap where u don't get it yeah

[plucky gust]

ooh

[spiral raven]

so feels more like an internal cd ig

[plucky gust]

ooh

[spiral raven]

tho u could try urself and see if that's the case, i don't rmb if i got it off consecutively

[plucky gust]

its working now. successful evade into attack gives SP

but there is a cooldown of some sort

[faint lichen]

Haiii uhhh
She came home early
Do i have to get her weapon now?

Coralie party

[craggy plume]

No

[faint lichen]

Reallyy???

[craggy plume]

You are only using her for support at this point

[plucky gust]

if you can guarantee the weapon. sig weapon of p2 is like half of their kit at most.

[faint lichen]

Shoot

[craggy plume]

I would not recommend spending crystals at this point to get her to work for dps and would focus on new valks over her.

[plucky gust]

remember: its carnival supply, the pity doesn't transfer after the event ends

[faint lichen]

Ahhh

[craggy plume]

But yes if you want to retain on her bosses you need weapon.

[faint lichen]

I'll focus on getting Mei's weapon first
I'm currently at 20 pulls to get it

What weapon can she use if i can't get her weapon?

[half hatch]

It's nice that you got lucky with coralie but I wouldn't really recommend pulling her weapon, her DPS uses cases are fairly rare at this point and she works fine without her weapon, even if you do lose some decent team buffs without her weapon she's still fully functional and spending crystals for her instead of saving for future releases isn't the best choice imo

[half hatch]

Vbm's signature

[craggy plume]

Especially not worth it , if we don't have XDC's weapon yet.

[mint plover]

I agree with man-went

[plucky gust]

omg cakey is such a hard boss for me. . . ive been bangging my head on this boss for 5 hours total now

[spiral raven]

well where else u struggling

boss is long so there's that

[plucky gust]

...in doing a good run.

• sometimes i don't get the triple insta kill at start
• i mess up the punch phase a lot
• for some reason, when im on the all in part, my DPS drops
• there are times where i don't have 1.8k SP during AR phase for part 2
  so yea.

individually i can do the skill checks, but man, this cakey is a hell of a marathon

[spiral raven]

its easier if u record but yeah

the start can be rough but if ur not getting triple insta
then i assume that means when u did combo, the combo just hit the boss right, you should still have enough ari to just ring and play normally

ely just needs to get some ari at the start with the basics

[plucky gust]

for me, i know what im doing wrong, but the things im getting wrong are the ones that has very tight frames:

1. the 2nd insta kill of the hand on 1st phase
2. the hitcount of my attacks in the punch phase

like some runs im like: "bro, i just pressed ult once, what do you mean i reflected 5 punches"?

[spiral raven]

punch phase u mean parry yeah,

ig when you start doing the first eva atk on mei, just only press atk once the moment when u see it light up

then continue basically
but if you don't get it the first eva off, then you can try again on the second one basically

u want to be at one parry count left

before ring

so if you didn't mess up at all, then just manually hit it as well so u at one count

[plucky gust]

im fine with the evasion into attack, my "wall" is that i can't control how much parry i can do. for example, on mei -> kiana QTE, i need to ult, right? sometimes that that ult parries 5 for some reason. and then there are times where i do kiana QTE to weapon active, and it didn't get me the AR.

those kinds of things

[spiral raven]

yea
as for that ig pay attention to the timing of when the swap occurs

because the parry count is kept low cuz most of the hits are done in between the two fists

[plucky gust]

yea. these are my walls, really for this boss. that parry phase really kills my runs. because i need to somehow get full AR on kiana weapon active, and at that point have 2 parries left. 1 parry is for mei to do evade -> attack to get 300 SP (in preparation after the AR all in), and 1 parry for HLE to farm SP during AR mode, and kiana to parry it via her QTE.

[spiral raven]

do u get the first evade atk on mei and then just qte

[plucky gust]

most of my runs be like:
-> start of parry phase
-> mei WA + attack, dodge attack, ult
-> kiana QTE -> burst
-> "you have 1 more parry left"
-> reset

[spiral raven]

would still be useful to see a recording ig

[plucky gust]

sure. . .

i guess

[spiral raven]

well its more of a if u keep trying and keep messing up the same way

otherwise its just do more run ig

[spiral raven]

like r u consistently mistiming a place then maybe u can keep trying to work out a way to help urself with timing by focusing on something like a visual cue or audio cue

[plucky gust]

mostly my problem is this:

i do have some inconsistency issues on other parts, but this is my current "wall"

that has to be 2 parry hits left max, not 1

otherwise, the run fails

[last hull]

When is HLE outfit for NA?

[plucky gust]

@spiral raven

...okay now my problem is mei getting stuck on cakey's head after switching to her after kiana QTE -> ult in the parry phase

[spiral raven]

well ig i'll just point all the stuff out then
so

1. at very start, u should be doing atk-hold on mei then evade
2. hle needs to do two basics, point is ari needs to be at 82 by hle weap ( though it doesnt have to be at 82 if u replicate the exact same thing here of comboing the air)
3. hle needs to do a basic after ulti to proc tf
4. after badum wa u need to wait and not do anything, ur still in sus ani from badum wa, and u want to drag it out so when u swap to mei she can retrigger tf again on combo
5. when badum stick is essentially faces towards the right, (completing a full spin basically, and her stick is in front of her) thats when you swap to mei to ult twice
6. after mei ults twice u need to wait again, ur waiting for ue to come off cooldown, then once its off cd you hold atk
7. after holding atk to dive down u do tap atk to parry and basically continue as u did

now about the parry phase
after u parried the first hit with weap atk, you should not be pressing atk anymore, and instead just focus on dodging, and only press atk once you see the atk does glow up/ have a circle effect around it

but instead you kept pressing atk, wasting your parries

ig what you can do is, after the weap attack parry. pause the game, and let go of the finger on atk button, and just focus only on dodge, you can still connect to 3rd atk as it lingers for a little while

then pause after each dodge/atk imo

[spiral raven]

all you're doing after badum ult, is just evading on mei, its the same thing as earlier,
just keep evading until the atk glows up
and then atk basically

[plucky gust]

after u parried the first hit with weap atk, you should not be pressing atk anymore, and instead just focus on dodging, and only press atk once you see the atk does glow up/ have a circle effect around it

but instead you kept pressing atk, wasting your parries
pretty sure i didn't spam attack. mei did 5 parries?:
1st slam: parried by weapon active
2nd slam: parried by attack after weapon active (150 SP)
3rd slam: dodge
4th slam: attack (150 SP)
5th slam: parried by mei ult
6th slam: parried by mei ult
7th slam: parried by kiana QTE
8th slam: parried by kiana weapon active

usually mei ult parries 5th, 6th, and 7th. but this time for some reason, kiana parried twice, she usually parries just one. but yea.

[spiral raven]

then ur doing weap too late

weapon itself shouldnt hit

only the hit after the weap

i.e. u use weapon to chain into 3rd basic

only 3rd basic should hit

so u should be at 7

[plucky gust]

i realized this, and im trying to fix this. on this specific run, if kiana QTE -> WA just triggers parry once, then im good to go.

[spiral raven]

mei dodge atk (6) ult immediately (5) into badum qte wa (4) (3) ult mei eva atk (2)
atk normally again, you need to be at 1 stack before ring

well for this rot that ur following thats how it goes normally

[plucky gust]

welp, after a break and rerunning, im getting it right most of the time now.

the problem now is im lacking damage at the end for some reason. . .now i guess i go back to ref

[dusky mantle]

so now that carnival and skin rolls are over

more elf frags maybe?

might just do 4 rolls lol

for 30 more tokens

[heady crater]

hello, i've recently come back after being off and on, and was just wondering if there's any team i could make with the astral ring valks i have, thanks

[open bone]

Horb Mei Badum

Sena Horb Badum

Both good teams

[dusky mantle]

XDC FDD Badum

[open bone]

Can also do Badum FDD Mei and Mei FDD Badum

Or horb as a Mei support

[heady crater]

thanks

[open bone]

Only dps you can’t do is FDD

[heady crater]

that's ok, i'm willing to work with whatever i got anyways

[open bone]

So you’ll probably cope Badum or Mei dps with FDD support in those weathers

Depending on the boss

Should be a solid coverage.. either RL or RL bounce probably

[heady crater]

thanks once again

[obsidian granite]

https://youtu.be/VbOgzWDnq-M
elp

[craggy plume]

Have you tried doing the support rotation when Raven spawns in after insta killing the mobs instead of hitting her with XDC first?
HLE can do her sequence before the boss has fully spawned in.

@obsidian granite

[stone stump]

2 free tickets what did u guys pull ?

[craggy plume]

FDD see #👶beginner-help pins for recommendations

[obtuse lintel]

do you guys think is possible to get Luna weap in this version and save for next patch?

[craggy plume]

I am assuming you are at 0 pity and have nothing left right now or what?

[obtuse lintel]

not exactly 0 but

and having it mind how much this wonderful game made me pull for XD weapon

idk

[craggy plume]

Given that it leaves in two weeks you probably need to have a lot of one time sources left to have good chances to get it.

[obtuse lintel]

as long as they dont drag me here again

[craggy ivy]

Slow start, only last hit of ba needs to land for sp, you can eva twice and spam ba to lineup the timing

Hle wa and ult can be used immediately after mob kill and timing would have it land on raven

[wind wigeon]

is she good (am a new player)

[craggy ivy]

#👶beginner-help message

[craggy ivy]

Sample faster opener

[obsidian granite]

pog thx

[ashen lagoon]

does anyone wanna !?!?!?!

[crude cloak]

Yes

207503889AD

[ashen lagoon]

YAASSS am i supposed to send u mine as well waiittt

[crude cloak]

Nah, I can't enter it (I'm above lvl 26 and am not a returnee)

[ashen lagoon]

Okayyy tyyyy

[crude cloak]

Thx to you

[outer mist]

what's the best choice between Helia and Coralie in the new supplies ?

more specifically to mix with Mei

[crude cloak]

Coralie
I wouldn't go beyond the free 20 pulls in most cases though

[outer mist]

aight

[outer mist]

i kinda desperately need one more valkyrie that's compatible with Mei tho

[crude cloak]

What P2 valks do you have in general

Including dkeys

Only Mei and farmable ones?

||If you don't have any other than her you could go for Badum considering that you wanna have an extra WS support for SW next patch||

[outer mist]

only Mei and farmable Coralie

[outer mist]

i wished i had more luck in my pulls for mei

[digital sky]

Is xdc good for LoA?

[open bone]

For Badum sure. Maybe for Dudu if it’s a phys weather

PS has better options

[digital sky]

Badum Xdc Songque im assuming then?

[open bone]

Nah sonq mostly dead

[digital sky]

Oh

[open bone]

Cora Mei, or vita if you have her SS+

[digital sky]

Badum doesnt need the sd murder thing anymore?

[half hatch]

well it depends on the boss but for SA you can run hle atp

iirc she was better at S0

[digital sky]

Oh :(

[open bone]

Maybe if you have a lot of ranks on JDS

[half hatch]

tbh i wouldnt expect to see much badum DPS shill anyway, they're using that mob stage as a xdc support shill but badum already sees a lot of support cases and she definitely was used A LOT over the year

[digital sky]

Also like
Hows s2 thelema vs ss sena? :^ ||mainly cuz senas free and thelemas being added to supply, like r the ranks worth it, next patch||

[open bone]

||Sena ranks don’t matter until SSS||

[half hatch]

well on SA you still want JDS if you run FWS dps no matter what

[digital sky]

Naw i dont have jds i was just curious

[half hatch]

ranks wont play a role here

[digital sky]

So thelema over sena?

[half hatch]

but who knows when we'll see SA again lol

[open bone]

I’m saying if you have jds ranks Badum JDS might beat HLE Badum

[half hatch]

iirc it was more about badum ranks, JDS ranks are kinda sad lol

anyway SA is kinda a unique scenario since last time we had at least one sena/fws/hle in myriad

so it really was more a SD dps + critical value pop check

[open bone]

Yeah you’d prolly need at least SS1

[prisma sun]

Do anyone know if da bum or Fate defy is better?

[last hull]

I wanna run HoO in ER to unlock the stamps, but I dont have KoL for her, what do I use? 7T?

[dull sphinx]

7T can work, about signet I already answered in #🎮honkai-chat

[wicked mason]

is it better to pair P2 Mei with Coralie or Elysia?

[craggy plume]

Performance for this abyss is pretty close to identical

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uskPuzaU37g example

[stoic crest]

I probably already know the answer, but I should pull for B!FDD in carnival supply right?

[craggy plume]

What is your account state?

[stoic crest]

My characters?

[craggy plume]

yes

and who has weapon

[crude cloak]

Better for what exactly

Their niche coverage overlaps only partially

[stoic crest]

HoRB, ME, and HLE have weapon/divine key. I'm pulling for LV: CL divine key as well

[vernal terrace]

I have not seen Badum be called da bum in awhile

[craggy plume]

You are not getting XDC?

[stoic crest]

Not planning on it no

[fair oyster]

Imo, i would skip lv d key and get xdc instead

Ur account need more character than new d key

[craggy plume]

Then I would value FDD over FWS else the value is pretty similar.

[fair oyster]

Yea if u can pick one i agree with fdd

[stoic crest]

👍

[prisma sun]

Like in general

[crude cloak]

If you're asking which one is worth pulling it depends on what P2 valks you alr have

Other than that it's not how the game works, a valk's performance can vary massively between niches

[prisma sun]

Does seele wit divine key counts?

[crude cloak]

Ye, meant with dkeys

Anyone else?

[prisma sun]

Lunar vow, seele, Hi love, Vita, thelema, coralie, Rita, Heila, elysia herrscher

[crude cloak]

Skipping Mei?

[prisma sun]

Yeah sadly cuz I'm broke..

Or get lucky cuz I'm building pity

[crude cloak]

How are you planning to get the weapon afterwards though

[prisma sun]

Or I'll just skip otherwise

I dont know if I should go for PAWS

Aka heila

[crude cloak]

Which Helia? The A-rank or the S-rank

Ah

[prisma sun]

S rank

[crude cloak]

No point in going for her if you alr have her

[prisma sun]

The s rank heila?

[crude cloak]

Ye

[prisma sun]

I don't have her

[crude cloak]

[prisma sun]

I suck at grinding in Hi3

But I needed a better dps

[crude cloak]

Realistically speaking if you're a very casual player you could go for either of those, but if I had to pick I'd go for Badum since your GoI DPS options are very limited + your FDD DPS will be kinda crippled (cuz no PAWS)

• Badum might be nice for the next patch (too early to tell though)

[prisma sun]

Is there anyone I can pull in the future?

[crude cloak]

Don't go beyond the free 20 pulls

[crude cloak]

Yes, ||SW dkey next patch||

[prisma sun]

Kinda forgot who SW is

Would she be good as a dps?

[crude cloak]

||Silverwing, and you've gotta spoiler tag info from China||

[crude cloak]

||If you don't have her yet you can get her from the S-rank box we'll get soon||

[prisma sun]

Would she be a strong dps?

[crude cloak]

||You should also start buying her fragments in War Treasury, her S2 rank is pretty big||

[crude cloak]

She would be strong in her niches as all new valks are
Whether she would be outside of that we won't know for a long while, but you don't really need to consider that

[prisma sun]

Hmm should I get mei on her rerun?

[crude cloak]

You probably will be too broke for that

[fair oyster]

This game rerun quite fast sooo yea u will need some luck or money if u want her

[prisma sun]

True since I dont even wanna do the stories cuz of the trial characters for 13k crystals

Or wait around a year for her to appear in BP

[crude cloak]

Rare Bmo appearance

[fair oyster]

XD

[prisma sun]

I should have enough since I'm going for Songque in BP

Is it better to get da bum in bp? And get heila S rank in fest

[fair oyster]

U need to aim for guarantee 28k + 16800

[crude cloak]

She won't appear there for a long while, it's best to decide when she actually gets there

PAWS is not worth getting, she's not a great support

[fair oyster]

Fdd probably the best

But idk

I’m not expert on hi3 anymore

[crude cloak]

They don't have many GoI valks

[prisma sun]

Is it better to pull for dps?

[crude cloak]

Or LoA

[fair oyster]

Coralie and helia

[crude cloak]

Supporting capabilities are a higher prio in assessment

[prisma sun]

Wait can da bum be used as a dps?

[crude cloak]

All Part 2 S-ranks are both supports and DPSes

So yes

[crude cloak]

But without her weap she won't be super useful in that way

[crude cloak]

ig you could consider it

[prisma sun]

My brain is dying because I wanna clear abyss better

[fair oyster]

All p2 valk need at least their weapon since stig can be craft but yea without weapon, it’s doomed

[quasi pier]

good supports always last longer than dpses, that's always been the case in this game

[prisma sun]

Redlotus score of 1038

[crude cloak]

Yeah, that's not a valk issue at all in your case

Either everyone you have is severely undergeared or you don't understand the rotations

[fair oyster]

For end game content, u’ll need more valk (based on what I’ve seen for ur acc)

[crude cloak]

Gotta check them tutorials, they're an okay baseline

[prisma sun]

I'm lvl 71 I used Seele+DK, Vita, Hi love+sig all leveled up

[prisma sun]

Ah alr

So better supports?

[fair oyster]

It’s more like who to pull rather than dps or support ngl

[prisma sun]

Would mei be worth it?

[fair oyster]

Idk, u’ll need to send the characters that u have here to get the answer

[prisma sun]

• heil is A rank

[crude cloak]

Didn't expect you to be below lvl 80 with that many valks

[prisma sun]

[crude cloak]

Anyway, in Q-Mani score doesn't matter as long as you kill the boss in under 2 minutes

[crude cloak]

Best to ask when her rerun actually drops

The answer will likely be "no" though

[fair oyster]

XDC is the best here imo
But For carnival, fdd is the most worth one

[prisma sun]

Lowk who is fdd cuz I forgot

[fair oyster]

Coralie dragon form

[vernal terrace]

If they haven't used the free pulls yet
They can use them on FDD

[prisma sun]

Ah alr

I can see if 20pulls is even enough

[fair oyster]

Well u cant use it except this event so better use it

[prisma sun]

[plucky gust]

@spiral raven after a few more hours, im getting it a bit more consistently. now my last problem is that my DPS is lacking at the last part.

the thing is that - for some reason, some runs the DPS is enough, but most of the time it doesn't.

this is why i hate physical units . . .

[vernal terrace]

You can also miss proccing buffs cause of Rice Cakes hit box

[plucky gust]

maybe this one. but its really hard to see. i can't even see if badum's buff symbol is on her

[vernal terrace]

Sometimes I have to hit the down arm to proc them

Which wastes a lot of time

[scenic trellis]

whats a good score for EU rl this abyss with bis team + chenxue SS

my max was 787

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uskPuzaU37g

how does he proc badum stellar drain at minute 4.28?

he doesnt do the combo

and my weapon hit doesnt proc it

or does he cancel the combo with weapon hit?

its to fast for my slow brain

also does he have badum qte off he seems to switch faster than me

[humble nebula]

Is JDS S1 worthwhile? I only have enough spending event tokens to get 3 stamps max, and that skill looks pretty underwhelming on paper.
If not, I'll go buy elf boxes or SW frags or something instead.

[quasi pier]

that IS CA but on the ground instead of in the air

and yes badum qte is off

[vernal terrace]

Badum QTE off?

[quasi pier]

mei qte is also off

[scenic trellis]

oh thats why hes doing this crazy switches

gonna try that

[vernal terrace]

Would that be helpful in Nirv?

Badum's QTE off anyways

[quasi pier]

some people use it in nirv because mei qte is too slow

[vernal terrace]

Ik Mei's qte is slow

Just wondering if turning Badum's off would help save some time

[half hatch]

well yeah if you don't really need to user her buff via qte, you prob also wont need it in SO because you have enough SP and overkill anyway

[vernal terrace]

True

She's still squishy even in Nirvana

[half hatch]

oh you're nirv ? dunno if you wanna have her qte off then

because i want the qte in SO there tbh

[vernal terrace]

Smh mango

I mentioned Nirv when asking lol

[half hatch]

didnt backread

tbh just try it out with mei qte

i have badum qte on though

[vernal terrace]

Mei qte on?

[half hatch]

well both, seen both do decently

[vernal terrace]

Currently at 755 and I want to attempt to get 770-780 at least

[scenic trellis]

any tips here?

feel like i should be doing much better then this

[crude cloak]

Your HLE's WA whiffed in P1

Which means you miss out on buffs

Her WA can hit while Raven is still zooming, but you've gotta make sure it actually happened by looking at the combo counter

[scenic trellis]

didnt even notice it thanks

[vernal terrace]

Don't know if you need to do all of that also at the start with the mobs

[scenic trellis]

and p2 any adjustments?

[scenic trellis]

just to get first ult and insta combo

[craggy plume]

There is also some overkill in the last part you can end SO earlier and still kill.

[scenic trellis]

alright yeah still finding out mei dmg tbh dont know yet how much each atk does to boss hp %

thanks gonna try a few more runs tomorrow with the tips

just one more today xD

[crude cloak]

Only the spear slam needs to hit for you to get the SP, gotta start the attack sequence earlier

[crude cloak]

Not the jump one

[scenic trellis]

oh thats what he meant thanks ❤️

[vernal terrace]

Basic attack or WA but I usually do the ba sequence

[crude cloak]

WA is probs a bit easier to time, but either works

[scenic trellis]

alright gonna go for the last run of today ty all of u

[vernal terrace]

Yeah

[lament prairie]

This boss is unplayable with hle

As a support

[vernal terrace]

[lament prairie]

Holy fuck interrupt pro max

[vernal terrace]

Yes

The one time you need Badum

[crude cloak]

Last time I used HLE support it was 100% fine tho

Do you mean in SO or smth

[lament prairie]

Yes

I am trying to qte > finisher and 90% of the time she gets staggered before doing her finisher and it wastes like 2pts

I also just cannot figure out a nice rot for the life of me

[crude cloak]

Squeeze in an evasion mayhaps?

[thick aspen]

hle or cora should be pretty interchangeable

[crude cloak]

Evade + ult at the same time

[lament prairie]

I am using both

[thick aspen]

[vernal terrace]

Lyo skipped Badum remember

[thick aspen]

i do remember now that she said it

[lament prairie]

Yes Paul remember its like my primary personality trait

[vernal terrace]

[lament prairie]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446011203244916747/1440615870740303924/ackcpk.gif

[vernal terrace]

We need one for sinful and forbidden

[lament prairie]

Sinful would be really funny

[thick aspen]

doesnt help when i started the game you were constantly telling everyone about hofi

and kiaelf

[lament prairie]

Shouldn't that help u remember I hate kiana

[vernal terrace]

[thick aspen]

remembering doesnt help if i dont use any thinking before just saying whatever comes to my mind

[lament prairie]

Wtf is a thinking

[thick aspen]

its when you hit 2 braincells together to make a spark

[crude cloak]

There probably is a village with that name ngl

[vernal terrace]

[crude cloak]

Looks like there isn't

Sadge

[vernal terrace]

Lyo telling me to keep pulling FWS' weapon
I almost forgot about this

[thick aspen]

execute mobs with mei > buff > get to ring > ring > p1 ded
farm new ring during transition
p2 start, ring > boss ded

i dont think the supports really affect that much

[vernal terrace]

[thick aspen]

you only take them out for 1 rot in p1

ely can even buff before raven even spawns

[quasi pier]

"pulling for dabum's weapon"

[vernal terrace]

I think I called her that on purpose lol

[lament prairie]

Whar

Was this a friend joke I was not aware of at the time or sth lol

I was so grumpy

[crude cloak]

Was?

[vernal terrace]

[lament prairie]

Fuck you specifically btw

Absolute melt

[vernal terrace]

[formal wigeon]

the usual isn't grumpy it's just bri'ish

[spiral raven]

did you have a recording of how u doing the last part

[lament prairie]

why dmg so inconsistent

raven saying no fuck u?

[thick aspen]

always same for me

[sturdy vortex]

should i try and get FWS or FDD? im missing the third slot for mei team but i have vita/hofi so im not sure how good is that
and as for kiana im not sure what i could do with her so i'll send the roster shortly (discord is on pc while i play on phone)

[lament prairie]

I killed p1 at 900 or above now I can't replicate it

[thick aspen]

if you are whale they would both be very helpful

if you are f2p you cant afford them, save for future valks

[sturdy vortex]

im just gonna spend the 20 free pulls and see if i get them

that means no sig tho so keep that in mind

[thick aspen]

id chuck them on badum

[sturdy vortex]

huh? wdym

[finite barn]

fws

[elfin parrot]

paul is saying to use the free pulls on fws

[thick aspen]

thanks translator

[sturdy vortex]

ohh, i c thanks!

[elfin parrot]

i do have this long winded analysis on how i feel about the two #👶beginner-help message

maybe you can read them to understand more rather than going in blindly

[sturdy vortex]

but in the end, its still best to go for fws i assume

[thick aspen]

the problem with explaining why badum over cora

[elfin parrot]

i do think i lean towards fws overall too for this case. She doesn't lose as much as FDD when weaponless

And FDD benefits aren't as notable when you already have vita (unless you need to enable vita dps and are missing a third RoO)

Vita can cover as a third RoO support for future RoO dps and can be a solid WS support rather than Badum (who loses alot of resonance damage from without her weapon)

[thick aspen]

ifispeak.gif

[elfin parrot]

lmao

anyway please do actually read that link because i do go discuss FDD's numbers specifically

you still got time to think it over and review info at least if you're waiting for FWS

and carnival does do a second lap of the four valks if you do change your mind again during FWS' time

my main issue against badum is that she's older than FDD but this may not be too meaningful (hasn't stopped eden from outlasting CE lmao)

[sturdy vortex]

still seems better for fws like yall guys are saying (i read it)

[elfin parrot]

yeah i mean the point is to understand why FDD weaponless is not so appealing

because with weapon she's actually one of the most commonly used supports atm otherwise

[thick aspen]

oh wait cn beta was out today so i can say ||they seem to be focusing on World Star ring again||, which badum is pretty good at supporting

on top of being bis support for mei ofc

[sturdy vortex]

isnt as support only a 14% diff tho?

[elfin parrot]

yeah that's pretty big

[sturdy vortex]

i mean, theres the ignite but support wont use that

[sturdy vortex]

it is big?

[finite barn]

... here i was thinking you guys were recommending badum just cause she offers more coverage for owned valks...

[sturdy vortex]

this game really is different lol, big on other mainstreams is like 30/50%

[elfin parrot]

i mean the greater point is if you're already losing 14% from weaponless, a different teammate that is only like 5-10% worse than weapon FDD is going to be better

[sturdy vortex]

ahh, i c

[thick aspen]

this is competitive game, even 5% difference is big

[sturdy vortex]

i thought the difference from vita/hofi to FDD was far greater

[elfin parrot]

well ok for RL purposes, you can prob can still get away with those sort of values sometimes

nah as long as the support fits the ring type you usually only see a 15% loss at worst. p2 is more balanced like that

but usually it's more like 5-10%

[sturdy vortex]

ahh, i c i c thanks! thats all

[elfin parrot]

we did talked about actual coverage though didn't we? or did you have something else in mind to contribute?

[finite barn]

just feels like all you guys are focusing on is fdd's dmg loss from weapon lol

[elfin parrot]

no that was just something that ended up needing to be elaborated upon, but it wasn't the main point really

[finite barn]

i actually showed up to ask if s2 fdd changes anything in common rots lmao but y'all were already talking

[elfin parrot]

Loosely speaking i don't think this is wrong. 30-40% is basically what you lose out if your valk doesn't have her signature weapon if you're using her as a dps leader

tbh that amount loss isn't completely dead. I have seen versed players succeed in RL if they know what they're doing and maybe compensate enough in other ways but for most intents and purposes it's too big to ignore

again the only reason why 10-15% was emphasized was because that's how much it takes for FDD to no longer be as best as she typically is: the main reason why she is favored at a top level in the first place. But again at an RL level, you can get away with this loss, so FDD is still one of the higher considerations for lacking accounts.

[elfin parrot]

for MA maybe with the tf. Otherwise she doesn't gain anything active really. She does deal better numbers in both roles. S1 for support. S2 for dps.

[finite barn]

cool ty

[elfin parrot]

please do review the details firsthand but yeah

[thick aspen]

it doesnt really change anything in rot

you'll just magically score better in MA

without doing anything

[elfin parrot]

MA strats don't really have a true rot to say lol

but maybe FDD having her extra source of TF can enable new opportunities to use her idk

[finite barn]

i do love magically scoring better in MA without doing anything XD

[elfin parrot]

or otherwise do the same stuff but get faster times

[thick aspen]

the tf is at the end of her stellar shift, thats too big of a move, you are not really gonna move it around just because of that

[charred trail]

anyone know how songque AO compares to Kiana Elf?

[thick aspen]

you just get some free time for having s2 and that it

[elfin parrot]

hm i see

[lament prairie]

can fdd land her combo on an arrow or not

[sturdy vortex]

ohh, got it, thanks!

[thick aspen]

i dont see why not

[sturdy vortex]

i remember u saying 30-40% is for dps and 10-15% is for support usually or smth like that

[thick aspen]

kiana and mei both definitely can trigger their stellar drains from hitting the arrows

[lament prairie]

I've been failing for the past hour to egt it to happen

[vernal terrace]

Jesus I'm lagging like hell against Raven

[thick aspen]

maybe there is some weird reason then why not, dunno, never tried

badum gets so obscene amounts of ARI from evading the arrows/ravens i didnt need to

[lament prairie]

I feel like I'm doing the opposite of curing cancer rn

I am creating it

[elfin parrot]

FDD

• RoO ring type, uncommon to find. Helpful for future RoO lead dps if you don't already have enough of them.

• Ignite utility. Not normally too notable outside of cases where you're already dps'ing with her. I can only think of DXY boss atm where you may appreciate it without her as a dps (but bleed is an alternative method to benefit there)

• Passives to help other statuses too (extending status uptime can be situational but this can be toggled. Prolonged status can help for stuff like paralyze husk or sushang bosses)

• more recent than FWS but this doesn't truly indicate the actual longevity

• while normally one of the best supports, being weaponless makes her fall behind other close options. Still viable to use

===

FWS

• SD utility. 8% hp reduction is unique (not always appreciated though), and her shard gathering is very fast

• Fast animations in general. Alternative method to access stellar drain via hold attack rather than her full bar weapon active is highly used.

• Has specific benefits for XDC. ||The upcoming SW dkey also wants both XDC and some kind of kiana. Can consider FWS further if you don't have HoFi dkey||

• Supports World Star. One of the better supports to it too but...

  • ||upcoming SW dkey is world star||

• weapon provides a huge resonance damage boost. Normally she is one of the best world star supports atm but this prob drops in consideration. You may still appreciate her for being fast in such teams though if you have enough damage otherwise.

• ||upcoming patch does give a free senadina too although she's not very notable as a WS support. Still better than the barebone A ranks at least, so the improvement for a fresh account by that point isn't as big. Sena might still force herself into some budget account teams too if they are using S songque for initial ARI||

bleeeh why does this always happen to me

@sturdy vortex maybe that attempt of a summary can help

[thick aspen]

screenclear

[elfin parrot]

!faq songque op

[night parcel]

Songque Astral Op

Songque Astral Op is a Gacha only Astral Op and she is designed to be used in World Star ring type teams. She is also viable as a general elemental Astral Op if the designated Astral Op for a team is not owned.

The main effects she gains at each rank are:

• S
  • 15% elemental DMG taken in ARC
  • 30% elemental DMG taken in SO
  • 2 ARI on WA hit (15sec CD per character)
  • 50 initial ARI
  • +25 intial ARI if Deepspace Anchor: First Light is on the team
  • 6 paralyze trauma on SO entry
• SS
  • 10 ARI per character with the Domain Resonance tag after SO ends
  • gain 2 SP when Resonance DMG is dealt (3sec CD)
• SSS
  • 20% total Resonance DMG dealt in SO
  • 5% lightning DMG taken in SO

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

what rank of songque are you talking about?

and for what kind of team?

[charred trail]

S and generic

4* kiana

[sturdy vortex]

isn't that all included in the link u sent tho? thanks for doing it dont get me wrong but i read it and i dont think u'd need to make a summary

[elfin parrot]

so there's a few areas i want you to think about for these kinds of things generally

• damage of course
• ari (mainly this)
  • initial/starting ari
  • ari regeneration

[elfin parrot]

yes it's just a summary because we were kinda going down the rabbit hole throughout the talks. I was worried it was disorientating or emphasized some things more than it should

[sturdy vortex]

sad that i already have senadina tho so it isnt as good

[sturdy vortex]

ohh, i c i c in that case thanks for that it sure helped

[elfin parrot]

if you don't need it you can ignore it. I just tend to do it because it's easy to be caught in the details of things for many other players

[sturdy vortex]

is it because many other players dont really read stuff...?

[elfin parrot]

no. It's just if you're an unfamiliar player who isn't already fluent with the game, it's not obvious what is more important and it's easy to focus too much something that isn't actually important

[sturdy vortex]

ah, i c

thank goodness players actually read here lol

[elfin parrot]

for an unrelated example, if a player is struggling on damage it can be a common issue for them to look at the damage numbers of my screenshot and focus on trying to reach that 2million or something

which is misguided because those numbers changes across scenarios across different bosses and weathers and such. what's important is maximizing what you can and focusing on how things are more relatively

[sturdy vortex]

damage per screenshot things really aren't a thing you should aim for in any game ngl

[elfin parrot]

ah i mean if it's for fun it's fine lol

but for a game that emphasizes clear time, yeah it's about the rate and not the single instance

[sturdy vortex]

thats the main problem of damages per screenshot, and some people aim for that damage and not dps
and like u said if its for fun its fine

[elfin parrot]

anyway sorry for digressing away from your question

damage wise

• kia only covers fire and lightning, and only in outburst
• songque covers any elemental

this is not a true reference for everything but just an example. you can loosely refer to lunar vow here. This channel does have some older examples you can try to dig up (but don't dig too far because songque on release was unbuffed compared to how she is now)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6gCYxleaxk

bear in mind some fights might emphasize non outburst damage, which is where dreamseeker (or songque) can win over an ELF

[sturdy vortex]

im just saying i wish people wouldn't post damage per screenshot stuff in youtube and say: "OMG BIG DMG U SHOULD 100% FOLLOW THIS" and people actually get baited

[elfin parrot]

yeah haha

[lament prairie]

I actually have a really big dmg inconsistency and I can't figure out what it is holy fuck

[charred trail]

or the clickbait with a very specific buff

[lament prairie]

its like a buff is not applying

[sturdy vortex]

thats a problem too lol

anyways, thanks guys! thats really all now

[charred trail]

like in Genshin where you build 1% crit and scum until you crit with a spiral abyss crit dmg buff

[thick aspen]

where in the fight

[lament prairie]

entering p1

I assume

[thick aspen]

[lament prairie]

just the entireity of p1 I will randomly do a few fucking million more dmg

I willr ecord because wtf

[thick aspen]

you were using fdd and hle? make sure hle weapon hits

assuming you use it while raven spawns in

[lament prairie]

fuck bro I did notice dmg numbers in the floor

[sturdy vortex]

or hsr/zzz/wuwa with their roguelikes gamemodes
thats just perfect content for those baiters lol

[lament prairie]

are you kidding

I have to hit targets in the floor?

[charred trail]

ER, "1 trillion damage"

[lament prairie]

the shit I do to beat fws players man

[sturdy vortex]

forgot about hi3 lmao, but those gamemodes certainly dont help for that

[thick aspen]

its been an issue on couple bosses recently where you use hle wep+ult while the boss is not active yet

[sturdy vortex]

anyways, going a bit offtopic so maybe should stop here

[charred trail]

bruh we're in the discord right now

[thick aspen]

the weapon will always give you the 150sp to ult but it needs to actually hit to give you the buffs

[elfin parrot]

anyway let's move to the bigger topic. astral ring intensity.

This is a bit indirect but it makes more sense how this is more important when you think about how outburst is your peak damage period.

Getting outburst too late can be very disastrous. Maybe you'll miss a boss vulnerability window or maybe the boss hp will be too low for you to really make full mileage from the outburst.

• ELF starts with 40 ARI at 2*. 45 at 3.
• DS starts with 50 ARI. Just 5 off from a high ranked ELF. But this alone can be enough to be the difference for many fights.
• Songque at S also starts with 50. But if you have senadina on the team gains 25 more. She also restores 1 ARI if you land a weapon attack with a cd of 15s. Not much but can still be notable.

@charred trail

[thick aspen]

best to watch the hit counter on left of screen

to see if it goes up by 1 or not

[sturdy vortex]

its just that its been a while since i last played, still getting used to stuff back

[lament prairie]

how can I ensure hle wa hits when raven is invulnerable

there must be a few frames where she is doing her intro but can still be 'hit'

this is fucked up

[charred trail]

be me
save AR for abyss last round
waste it

[thick aspen]

, there is always the option to stay on mei for the 150sp + combo3 until raven spawns

if you just keep spamming basics after the mobs die you will hit her perfectly with the last basic just as she becomes targetable, giving you the 150sp, and then you can hold atk for some free timestop dmg

before rotating supports

[elfin parrot]

SS songque has even more ARI benefits after the first outburst ends. This is notable in nirvana when double outburst fights are more common. Getting S from spending event can be a possible stepping stone towards that? (hard to say. We did got klein in spending event shop alone, and a free water's edge elf in the past but later rewards are a selection box from future spending events/free box)

However beware next patch there's a new ||gacha op for world star. SS rank seems significant for new utilities like ending outburst early or granting surplus state for more buffs. If you plan to spend crystals on that then you can prob ignore songque completely||

[lament prairie]

but then I've wasted like 20pts to do 2 peanuts of damage

[elfin parrot]

for RL and below, i do not anticipate needing to spend crystals any gacha ops though

[charred trail]

tbh i'm not really rolling for AO/ELFs anyways, just getting que from spending

[elfin parrot]

anyway that's about all i have to say on the matter

[thick aspen]

well the only thing you are really losing is the time it takes to do ely wep+ult.. which ult has semi timestop so its not that long of a time

[elfin parrot]

yeah in that case it sounds fair to me. but do consider other things in the shop. Beware of ||SW dkey next patch so her frags are suddenly a consideration. We can discuss this more if you want||

i personally still lean towards songque op overall though

[thick aspen]

if you do need the dmg buff from her weapon at least it will be consistent

(idk if you can even get it before raven spawns, i didnt play ely here)

[charred trail]

do her ranks even make that much of a diff

[elfin parrot]

s2 is independent multiplier. everything else looks rubbish to me. but alot of minor things can add up to a notable enough gap, or at a high level even a minor difference can be enough for a cutoff

[thick aspen]

the main thing is que has no bosses

[elfin parrot]

long time light spenders should have her ss3 back then and therefore sss by now but a good amount of those players prob have quit too

[thick aspen]

all stolen

[elfin parrot]

yeah it's totally a WE vs Ely Elf scenario to me

[charred trail]

my SW is ss

[thick aspen]

silverwing ||has bunch of 5stamp bundles in the shop next patch so any whale can instantly SSS her ||

[elfin parrot]

brackets are volatile and i have no idea if ||there's going to be any subtle skill checks in the new kit (original can evade cancel some portion of her attack seq iirc, but also adjust her duration or enter barrier mode with ult instead of CA)||

overall i can't make any specific predictions on what rank is notable. I only encourage you to get them without putting out anything too costly

[charred trail]

mortgage my house for SSS, g ot it

[elfin parrot]

for prof purposes i do not endorse this but maybe you're just really rich with 500 paperclips that all traded into houses

[thick aspen]

i dont think the actual valk ranks matter that much

[elfin parrot]

i would go as far as to say ||SW|| ranks are some of the worst i've seen from the game lol

[thick aspen]

its all the other ranks ||her dkey, seeles dkey, youyun..||

[elfin parrot]

yeah

back then i suffered more from lack of ely elf or full gear on my JK

[elfin parrot]

lyo knows haha

anyway hope that was easy to understand. the ELF vs op question comes up way too much and it's always way more than what the person prob expects to get an answer of lol

[thick aspen]

ops have been really strong ever since teri, even at s rank

yeah you can probably survive redlotus without them, but the difference is big

[charred trail]

[elfin parrot]

yeah. It's just RL is not the place to appreciate that significance

wouldn't it be funny to do weaponless runs compensated by an ss op in RL?

[thick aspen]

i wanted to make that comparison at some point

[vernal terrace]

[elfin parrot]

it prob would be good cc material at least lol

[thick aspen]

like if someone skips weapon and suffers well they are an idiot everyone knows valks need their weapon!

but if someone skips aop and suffers with dreamseeker well thats just f2p life

[charred trail]

at that point just pull for OPs instead of valks

[knotty niche]

I can try 7T mei run with ss chenxue and badum fdd

[elfin parrot]

yeah you can lol

i would be interested in hearing about it

or seeing it rather

[knotty niche]

Last time I tried 7t and sig the points were 849/793

[thick aspen]

recently valk weapons dont even give that much functionality

[elfin parrot]

but yeah sometimes i do feel we drive that idea too hard. It's not that much different than saying "oh you're casual? haha nothing matters you don't need any guidance then" (and this was an attitude i'm very happy we have moved alot more away from)

[thick aspen]

i think meis has timestop on the third combo and thats it

which is not bad but its not life changing either

[elfin parrot]

when really it's just a bunch of individual sliders that contribute to a total. It's just weapon is one of the more efficient options

[thick aspen]

there have been a few recently where the weapon does absolutely nothing for the gameplay, its just a stat stick

[elfin parrot]

we used to emphasize sparkle's weapon for time stop too but that emphasis always felt iffy to me too. It's just easy to point out but at the end of the day, it's a damage and time ratio.