💁gameplay-help

[sturdy vortex]

And sorry for not specifying which kiana, i keep forgetting theres like 10 alters per char in this game lol

[elfin parrot]

yeah it takes a while to get used to

i'm not really sure what you're asking about this image

you can see the level of the stigs in that menu already

[sturdy vortex]

Like, idk if i can delete one of these cuz i could need one of those

Just incase i didnt use all 3 needed for a char ykwim?

[elfin parrot]

go back to the previous menu, go to sort at the bottom right

and sort by set

then lock at least one of everything (unless you're sure you don't care about losing it completely). Equipped stuff shouldn't show up in the salvage menu either (maybe test this rather than taking my word for it)?

[sturdy vortex]

I c, thanks! Thats all

[elfin parrot]

i will say if you don't need the prisms urgently, consider leaving the dupes alone. There can be very rare uses for them but it's not really a big deal overall

hm i prob have other posts elsewhere that gives actual old examples but this will do #👶beginner-help message

[sinful pelican]

hey are the double crystal bonuses in the crystal purchase only one time or do they refresh yearly like some other gachas?

[elfin parrot]

the latter. They actually just refreshed as of this patch i believe?

[sinful pelican]

got it thank you, haven't bought them before so never noticed, bit of a shame I missed previous year's bonus

[last hull]

How can you change your in game name again?

[neon narwhal]

profile -> bottom right edit name

[wooden patrol]

LV team for lv abyss?? My bracket has 4 s2 and above LVs In the top 5 rn... I don't know if I'll be able to compete with that (mei is s2) btw do u guys have any references for this abyss as well? I still don't know LV rotations

[spiral raven]

u miss out a little bit of dmg but u will be fine in rl

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ps mei

[wooden patrol]

D476 761 score A3 should I aim for more?

[spiral raven]

thats up to u
but can u do better, probably

[opal cradle]

returnee player here.... i wanna get pulls asap so i can get the new mei battlesuit, what should i focus on?

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/9abOJT6.png hey i'm super late and i prob could've dug up this info somewhere but for both sides of things i got lazy so here you go finally

[elfin parrot]

!faq crystals

[night parcel]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

first link are permanently available ones you can get at any time. Second link are time limited/missable ones you should prioritize more but beware some activities like events may take more time than they are worth if you're in a rush

[opal cradle]

ty!

[elfin parrot]

you may consider even restarting with a fresh account unless you're attached to your old account

also keep in mind the game has changed greatly. If you haven't been here since 7.3 then team building logic and gacha has changed

!faq supply

[night parcel]

Supplies Explained

Hi, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's explanation of every single supply [here](#👶beginner-help message) and find the banner you want to know about!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

check equipment especially. Weapon is the only gacha exclusive now

!faq ring

[night parcel]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Characters under the Astral Ring System will have one ring type (Specialization), and one or multiple tags (Attributes) that will determine how they can form teams. This system is only activated if a Character with Astral Ring is set as the leader. When activated:

• the leader's ring type will decide the team's playstyle.
• the team will benefit from effects (e.g., Stigmata buffs) that require Astral Ring.
• the team will gain access to Stellar Outburst, a high damage output state you can enter after charging enough energy (Astral Ring Intensity).

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

Read the center, then read the last link

[opal cradle]

ah yeah, i stopped playing around when part 1 ended so my account is extremely outdated

[elfin parrot]

take your time too and ask us if anything confuses you. I know this is overwhelming

[opal cradle]

lol yeah its gonna take me a while

ty though ill look through the guides

[elfin parrot]

yeah in that case do consider restarting, but not doing so is ok if you're attached. It'll just take more time to save up for a new release valk+weapon

#👶beginner-help message i do have this list of reasons on how it may be ok to not restart

especially if you have asuka valk. can't get her anymore

anyway i ramble

[last hull]

Is there any FAQ or reference to how Phosphorus and P2 story+OW work

I realized there’s a ton of crystals I could get but it looks like a lot of work and really confusing so I need some help

[plucky gust]

can you screenshot the "Phosphorus" part? as for the Open World of p2, its just an area really. no need to do dailies once you get all the rewards. and p2 OW is different from other OW stages like APHO

[dusky mantle]

probably speed then. FDD and XDC?

also nice phase 3 of event is out

hyperion team time

[open bone]

Should work

[dusky mantle]

hmm

TIL luna ult

does like 50+ hits

[spiral raven]

should still be 45

[dusky mantle]

all i know is that it deleted hit count shield at the end

[elfin parrot]

did you notice entering frenzy ult also wiped out 45 hits from the mob hitcounts?

[dusky mantle]

wdym

[dusky mantle]

this one?

thats what i meant

[elfin parrot]

oh

well the fireworks does too

[dusky mantle]

ok im pretty bad at counting i added the hit count from XDC qte lmao

[dusky mantle]

WHAAAAAT

crazy

anyway pretty slacc bracket so far

[craggy ivy]

Vro my brack retain score higher than your promo score

Myriad or demote lobby +1 sniper no score yet

[dusky mantle]

skill issue

[craggy ivy]

Sponsor luna ranks

[spiral raven]

shoulda been in my bracket

[junior flume]

is there a big difference between ss and sss chenxue for mei or just other goi dps

[spiral raven]

depends on rot, most cases the diff is small with sss just being more dmg

but for some helia cycles, u do a quick so into another SO

then u be gated by cd of ring

and sss chen does help out here

so basically not always useful the reduce cd on ring but thats the main thing about it

[spiral raven]

as for mei, all the cycles so far don't really have do this kind of mini SO into big SO in a row

so other than the extra dmg the reduce cd won't be noticeable

a lot of times in rl, s chenxue does same rot as ss chen as well

[junior flume]

i just dunno what to pull for next rn cause i have all the asops s except for chenxue ss

maybe theresa ss but idk if that’s worth it

[spiral raven]

theresa ss is good but how much have you pulled already in terms of xtals? otherwise saving is always an option

[craggy ivy]

Is this for mei? Or goi in general

Because ari gen too good in rl, I try ss chenxue rot always missing ari

also skipping wa

[spiral raven]

this applies more to mei ig

[junior flume]

i have 5.6k rn

[spiral raven]

just save up then

[junior flume]

for next patch?

[spiral raven]

yea

[spiral raven]

it really depends on dmg and the cycle basically.

sometimes the transition is long enough for you to steal enough ari to compensate

also rl d generally lower compared to the refs, so if there's 2 phases then sometimes in p1 can just skip SO

maybe not so much for sea but its na/eu probs more so the case

[jade zephyr]

Is songque aop better than dreamseeker for xentinel team or no

[half hatch]

songque's buffs are mainly elemental buffs and mei deals phys dmg so no not really

[jade zephyr]

Okok. I thought so ty

[naive shoal]

is this a glitch

where are the honkai beasts what

[elfin parrot]

is the map activated for the week? You can carry missions from last week into future weeks/cycles but no enemies will spawn unless the map is active.

tbh i vaguely thought they addressed this in some way but it may be quests that gives specific nodes along the map you have to start up. I might not be remembering correctly for this though

---

oh actually it seems you're still in the main plotline of it? Hm maybe walk up to the question mark and see if you can interact with it with evade? my memory for this is very hazy as well

otherwise try restarting the game

[last rapids]

oh thanks

i was planning to buy 1 of each

and see whats the return

[elfin parrot]

yeah that's what i ended up doing, or did i miss anything?

well i can't stay so i'll see your reply later lol

[last rapids]

nah u prob didnt, will have to check in game but just buying each variant will be enough to figure out the math

not like we gotta buy all valks to see

[dusky mantle]

====yeah

LV mei badum feels better than FDD mei

maybe RL just too squishy

[digital sky]

For BKE
Is
Lv sci ce (/gd) or lv helia horb
Better

Or S Hotr

[open bone]

P1 luna should topscore

tho for p2 luna afaik PS dps luna supp outscores luna dps

[digital sky]

Good thing i lack ps

[digital sky]

Sci CE right?

[open bone]

BiS team is apparentle CE LV GD

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1EC411L7aF/
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Zx4y1e7ri/

[digital sky]

Also for mei
Since pt1 luna best, what would meis best be
Got horb badum coralie* helia

*no wep

[digital sky]

Yoink

[open bone]

Should be mei Badum HLE

cora only loses 1sec I think tho

idk how horb scores relative, probably pretty close too

[digital sky]

Oh uh no hle

I lack her

[open bone]

oh then just use cora or horb there

[digital sky]

Heliabad?

[plush kernel]

Hello, Id like to see opinions of smart people and thats why Im asking here. What do you think about HSR characters that are coming out? I have Yao Guang, (want sparxie but its not must pull for me) and im not sure about silverwolf however yae sakura is a must pull. what is the play here? xd

[neon narwhal]

I suggest checking the server name again

[plush kernel]

I said I want to talk to smart people and thats why im asking here since I know that many people here also play hsr

[half hatch]

Well this is still not the place to ask hsr pulling questions, do that in #off-topic-discussion or in the HSR server and it's dedicated channels for that

[plush kernel]

If i asked on hsr server it would be: Pull Sparxie bcs she is good for Silverwolf and silverwolf is anniversary unit so she will be the best

something like that

[rigid cedar]

#off-topic-discussion has long time hsr players, it's fine to ask there

the help channels are for honkai 3rd

[plush kernel]

I need long time gacha players, ideally Honkai 😄 Long time hsr players dont know sht

[rigid cedar]

if you say so

youll also meet gacha players in general there

[dusky mantle]

almost forgot about abyss

[plucky gust]

can someone tell me how does GoI return the SP when the AR duration is done? because im lacking like 5 SP on sushang to burst

[half hatch]

Everyone just returns to how much SP they had before they entered SO

[dusky mantle]

ohhh

[plucky gust]

OOH, GOT IT. SO I NEED TO FARM SP during the mech rush.

[dusky mantle]

so thats how it works

more like ARI

[half hatch]

LV also always has 150 SP after SO if you reached 3 FoI

Idr if other GoI valks have that as well

[plucky gust]

my problem is the finisher part. where you use sus burst to clear the hitcount shield

[plucky gust]

im done malding!!! a solid score, i think?

[rigid cedar]

XDC doesn't, but gains a stack for her CA instead

i think PAWS has SP returns?

[plucky gust]

hmmm, im safe, right?

[rigid cedar]

yes

so does hle but it's kinda eh with wanting to WA anyway

it will be helpful if she's weaponless and there's really no other option but to run her as leader

[open bone]

Mald +2

[plucky gust]

i just tried malding for a bit more, but yea. its pseudo-rng at this point. here's my observations though:

• triggering TF during mech rush phase just lengthens the phase itself, so its best you don't trigger it. and somehow have sushang enough SP later on

and idk how to quick summon the boss for phase 2 really

[vague flame]

whats a viable team for RL if i dont have dudu or luna

[plucky gust]

maybe p1 units? this specific boss is ultra shill for LV specifically.

maybe a susannah team?

[vague flame]

i do have sus but i forgot i dont have her weapon fuck

i dont think i have any p1's built tbh properly

[plucky gust]

maybe you can brute force with sushang?

[cunning gull]

would be too sus (pun not intended) since everyone would use lv
but thats the next best alternative... score will still be laughable tho

[plucky gust]

its RL, so something like sushang badum fdd or something. maybe you can a lower slot if you just want to retent

[vague flame]

sad

[cunning gull]

the thing is that team scores in the 6xx realm thats why
acoording to last time

[plucky gust]

and that 6xx is with lv too, so yea.

[cunning gull]

can try ps support but i have no team suggestion
at least ps dps is tested

[cunning gull]

nah bracket has to be dead
but depends ig

[vague flame]

i am cooked bro

yea that does nothing

both ps support or dps sucks

[obtuse lintel]

-100 🏆 ig

[rigid cedar]

what's the team?

[vague flame]

same

[obtuse lintel]

it was

old luna team

[rigid cedar]

yeah okay..

[obtuse lintel]

but it closes in 2 minutes, i dont have time to try anything else

1 minute

[rigid cedar]

a bit late yeah

[obtuse lintel]

forgot to do it last night

still idk how much could i have done

without luna

tho old luna team did better than sushang

type counter things ig

[vague flame]

nvm bro im uninstalling

[obtuse lintel]

[quasi fable]

question about lunar vows new divine key. Is there a reason when I activate ult, itll end before I even use her skill? or only after like using it twice?

[vernal terrace]

When swinging the chainsaws?

[quasi fable]

yes. I activate the ult then try to swing the chainsaws but sometimes it ends immediately

it doesnt happen all the time....its almost like I have to push the skill super fast after the ult but even then it doesnt work all the time

[vernal terrace]

Common bug

[quasi fable]

oh its a bug

I was like wtf is going on haha

[vernal terrace]

Yeah I had it happen to me a few times
Especially in Beta

[quasi fable]

ooof not fixed from beta

[vernal terrace]

Supposedly it also occurred with her part 1 gear too

[steady osprey]

maybe ur finger stay too long on the wa button so it does the finisher

[quasi fable]

nah i dont think its that. It makes sense if its a bug tho because it doesnt happen all the time and im doing the same button presses/movements etc

[vernal terrace]

Spamming WA

[steady osprey]

or something like pressing WA before activating ult first

[quasi fable]

what do you mean spamming wa?

what is WA?

[steady osprey]

weapon active

or weapon art, as in elden ring

[quasi fable]

oh no Im not doing that. You cant even do that....I activate ult then spam wa

Like I actively see her use the chainsaws but sometimes it ends early

[steady osprey]

how it ends? she does the "plunge weapon in ground" or "homu cannon explosion"? or nothing?

[vernal terrace]

The former

After ulting that sequence likes to end for some reason

[quasi fable]

^

[steady osprey]

i never got that in my 20ish tries in abyss though

pc btw

[vernal terrace]

Mobile thing?

[quasi fable]

I dont know what to tell you. Just because you dont have it doesnt mean its not happening. I mean one other person already confirmed it was a bug in the beta

im on pc too btw

[vernal terrace]

I'm on mobile so hmm weird

[steady osprey]

how are ur guys FPS

[vernal terrace]

I have to lower so I can score greatly

Well 30-60

[quasi fable]

its fine. I get the max. I think its 120 in settings right?

[steady osprey]

while fighting though

[vernal terrace]

I don't think I have that on mobile

Well maybe I do? Idk

[last hull]

CE gets flamechaser bonus in ER right?

[vernal terrace]

Yes

[steady osprey]

yes x2 start elysia signets

[vernal terrace]

Any flamechaser battlesuit gets x2 ego signets

[steady osprey]

that is the bonus

or is there any other FC bonus

[vernal terrace]

Nah just that

They only get an extra ego signet when starting and that's it

[quasi pier]

pardo always gets a discount in the shop but that's just her

[vernal terrace]

Ofc fucking pardo

[steady osprey]

doesnt the other also get it if lucky enough to encounter pardo in her shop

[vernal terrace]

Buys from herself to resell it later

[quasi pier]

yeah but pardo gets a discount no matter what

[vernal terrace]

Any character can get a discount if Pardo appears at her shop

[vernal terrace]

At least she's a pretty good Valk

[quasi pier]

true

[vernal terrace]

Weak in lore but strong in gameplay

[quasi fable]

how do o get that setting on?

nvm i used something else

I get 121/122

[steady osprey]

ai-phone setting has a "show FPS" check

[vernal terrace]

Does it for mobile?

[prisma dew]

just got back from hi3, and i jjst have a quick question, any way i can obtain sea cleansing florest? is jt gacha locked rn 😭 im pretty sure i misses the gacha for it

[steady osprey]

idk about phone, my potato cant handle the game anymore

[vernal terrace]

Gacha only

[quasi fable]

I used something else lol I get 121 or 122 fps

[steady osprey]

i thought maybe the bug was caused by low FPS, MA jump sec is like that

[vernal terrace]

Don't know when it'll rerun again but it will eventually, but will say keep an eye out in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins for any banner reruns

[prisma dew]

thank you! do you think it'll come back soon?

[prisma dew]

oh okay tyy

[quasi fable]

nah

[steady osprey]

i cannot remember horb new dk as that name lol

[vernal terrace]

Sea-cleansing Floret

[quasi fable]

bro now the bug is happening more often wtf

[steady osprey]

wait, do u use left mouse as atk or not

[quasi fable]

i use controller

[steady osprey]

maybe try using kbm this time?

[quasi fable]

Im not used to kbm lol

[turbid kelp]

Helloopls i need help with that boss, I seriously cant manage to do it Is there something im missing on how to defeat both of his arms?? I still dont have mei

[steady osprey]

no? u already got it to last half of hp bar. just hit it to the end and kiana will join u in a cutscene
wait, is it bcs u re not using the trial Mei

[craggy plume]

No, parry with a melee attack and hit the enemy.
Your score is awful because no XDC but that is to be expected.

[grand stump]

how long does mei's banner last for

[vernal terrace]

That's MA

[steady osprey]

huh alright lol

[craggy plume]

They asked about MA yesterday so I assumed it was MA.

[steady osprey]

my bad

[vernal terrace]

Yeah XDC can one shot the fists

[grand stump]

[steady osprey]

are u serious?

[grand stump]

i cant log in yet game isnt downloaded i am not this stupid dw

[steady osprey]

schedule in pins too

[grand stump]

aha

[vernal terrace]

6 weeks

[grand stump]

ye thats pnice

[steady osprey]

one week passed

[vernal terrace]

Still got time

[steady osprey]

does that mean fukc mei-less players

[vernal terrace]

Yes

It's like HLEless players on Paros

[craggy plume]

Or ME less players on IMG Pig

[vernal terrace]

Transition requires Rime in MA

[steady osprey]

nvm the transition is fuck up but its just dmg loss isnt it

[vernal terrace]

For Paros

Idk about Abyss but considering one of HLE's skills, Paros is very much an HLE check

[lapis raven]

fwsless on sa

deadass

[vernal terrace]

SDless on any SD boss

[steady osprey]

i missed FWS weapon so i managed with JDS

[steady osprey]

the 2 fists are really tanky without Mei's instant kill but keep doing dmg and u will eventually kill them. remember to parry/hit them with melee atk to make them go down first

took me like 30sec

[opal cradle]

returnee player here and im looking at the elysian realm guide but i have like... none of the newest valks

my latest valk is like, HoTr

can i still clear abstinence with the characters in 'Legacy Builds'?

[quasi pier]

yeah actually

[opal cradle]

4/4 HoHE should work right

[quasi pier]

yeah

[opal cradle]

ty

[quasi pier]

a lot of old stuff still works just fine

[last hull]

I have Badum for Mei, but I dont have FDD or HLE; would HH or PAWS be a better 3rd team member? Does it depend on the content/boss?

I felt like HH might be better cause she also triggers Mei’s buff and has Symbiosis, but her SP regen makes me kinda iffy on her

So Im not really sure

[open bone]

HoHE probably a little better but the difference is not gonna be huge and might vary on boss

Tbh I might also try PS first

But really there’s no one best set of supports for all use cases

Even if you have everyone

[last hull]

No PS either

[open bone]

Horb also worth considering if you have her

[last hull]

No DKey

My account kinda sucks

[open bone]

Well Badum HoHE or Badum paws should be fine for most abyss in RL

Don’t worry about it

[last hull]

I wish I could get Mei before tomorrow but that’s not happening

Oh well not like my ass wont be in A1 anyways lmao

It’ll unfortunately be a while till I get back to RL

[open bone]

What Valkyries do you have

Maybe you can cope with Thelema dps or smth

Or paws dps

[last hull]

Sena LDS JD Eepy Vita Badum PAWS

HH w DKey

[open bone]

Can do Paws Badum HoHE

[last hull]

I have options but not great ones

[open bone]

Might be fine

Paws is good at brute force

Prolly second best option here

You’re just hoping not enough people in bracket have Mei

But you can maybe beat everyone without her

[last hull]

I think they will tbh

But at the same time A1 players kinda suck

[open bone]

Or if they have Mei they don’t know how to use her yeah lmao

Anyway no guarentees but it’s not hopeless

[last hull]

Im in S2 rn at 1st place with LDS Sena Eepy

And 50 points ahead of the next guy

[open bone]

Lmao

[scenic trellis]

still 6 players to play in EU do i rest or try a bit harder

my first part is very good my second part is meh

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wK8vcZRCVw these are what i would consider to be good scores. You can assess from there

[scenic trellis]

yeah im following his ps badum team, but i think his atk is a lot higher then mine

[half hatch]

asumming you're only at S2 the diff to SS1 is quite big yeah

[elfin parrot]

yeah the refs here are generally on the higher end

you can also show what you're doing and we can try to help with the details

[scenic trellis]

alright gonna record to see what i can change on the second part i feel like im too slow there

[elfin parrot]

i won't be able to reply right away in the next few minutes but yeah do post and people will help

[scenic trellis]

well trying to record i actually improved to 782

[half hatch]

tbh i'm not quite sure why hieu did that opener, i feel like if you do PS WA-> wait a bit for more HC -> WA -> badum qte -> maybe badum ult if you need it for LV qte -> lv qte ult and her sequence, you could kill it within 1 LV rot with that.
Then just trigger badum stellar drain in transition and farm SP for PS, also PS qte is off her so taht you dont waste time with that when dealing with the HC

In p2 i feel like you could start to enter SO sooner and spam LV WAs when the boss is about to land so that you hit the boss as early as possible, dunno if you may need the extra dmg but it doesnt feel like it.

[scenic trellis]

alright thanks ❤️

omg and yeah i forgot the ps qte off thats why mine was feeling so slow

compared to their

[half hatch]

oh and i forgot PS ult here after her second WA

you want that for the HC

should end up with like 10 HC left after LV ult

[elfin parrot]

• you can also consider turning off PS QTE so you can instantly ult with her to get back to LV in p1
• for ending p1, try not to do LV's finisher. That animation has something called suspended animation which slows down action in the game (but abyss timer doesn't care about that). When p1 was finished you're waiting on the boss to proceed so having sus ani there is slowing you down probably

i'm still watching the video

also adding on to what mango is saying, if not going for badum CA in p1 then you'll need to at least hit the enemy with her QTE when they drop in. Idr the timing for this

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Dnc4z2Eny/ but you can prob refer off of this for that timing

[half hatch]

what i mean with my opener is actually waiting a bit for the enemies to drop and then PS WA x2 ult for the HC then badum qte so you'd hit anyway, tbf i've seen a lot of different versions for that opener so trying some different options would probably be the best.

Just looking at the dmg i felt like if the HC would've went away sooner they could clear it with one LV frenzy rot but i was really just dumping out ideas

[elfin parrot]

transition is very chaotic but this is your opportunity to prepare things so you're all ready to go for p2

the main objective is to clear out the waves to build up justice (Edit: don't get hit by any stray air strikes toward the end)

however for lv's case she can also aim to

• any stellar drains you still need to do as mentioned earlier
• QTE as much as possible to farm sp for PS (nirv runs typically end the fight with PS ult for the hitcount shield)
• start outburst in the middle of transition so you can start taking care of support actions like preparing shining traces/farming team sp, and not need to do them later on the boss
  • save badum ult so you can go from LV > badum > LV later in p2
• LV entering frenzy is prob also sus ani so ideally you do this when the transition timer is still ongoing

your transition also did PS CA toward the end which prob isn't good. There's sus ani there and you don't want those going on when the timer is over because the boss is taking time to come back to the stage.

[lament prairie]

holy fuck this transition is killing me

anyone know what I can get with this lmao

[round arch]

prolly 780+

[lament prairie]

I'm at 777 so not far off

[round arch]

u can do it

[elfin parrot]

ok p2

• you used outburst LV > badum > LV immediately. However this is not as much damage as you could be doing

take note that lv consumes sp as she performs actions here:

• 150 for entering frenzy
• 50 per slash up to 11 slashes or 550 total
• 300 if you have enough while doing max slashes
  maybe i missed a number but overall you do want to consume this fully if possible. Consuming this much sp also helps building towards 3 stacks of facets of infinitude (above your hp bar) which grants further benefits

This is why people were doing support actions in transition with outburst. Those supports were preparing the needed team sp.

Maybe all this isn't optimal for RL though, or at least prob isn't necessary even for t3. I honestly haven't looked too much at hieu le's RL fights

---

for the final part, again turn off PS QTE. After LV fireworks, look at your swap icons as you swap to PS. As soon as that icon moves, press ult. This ult won't finish off the boss so do one basic attack after (just mash out of the ult)

@scenic trellis

[lament prairie]

I get random really good runs rest are dogshit

[scenic trellis]

thanks ❤️

[elfin parrot]

this is ss2 but maye you can go off of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQa2tfaWP_E

[lament prairie]

that

is the exact ref I have pulled up

[elfin parrot]

we prob pulled it from the same place lol

[lament prairie]

yes yes

[elfin parrot]

it's been pretty wild seeing lv strats change across ranks for nirv tbh

[lament prairie]

sols homework is real

[elfin parrot]

like there's three or four main fight structures in my head at this point

[lament prairie]

xd

can't relate I've ignored her ass until now basically

hardly used her until dkey

no gear

[elfin parrot]

i'm only speaking for this cycle anyway

we don't speak of p1 lv and the atrocities trib transition brought for it there

[lament prairie]

o really the rots are that different for the same boss?

I think I'm guaranteed t50 cuz I'm t25 rn but I want t5 wahhhhh

mango come mald

[half hatch]

oh ren also got a higher score now

[elfin parrot]

yeah it's quite different. p1 lv had alot more flexibility in what you may include or omit

p2 lv is a bit more rigid and simplified but also is a bit more fluid in swapping back to herself

[lament prairie]

we are together suffering

[half hatch]

how tf am i supposed to mald with s2 LV

i can't t5/t50 here anyway so i just sleep

[lament prairie]

something something git gud do mroe dmg?

[half hatch]

shit tru

[elfin parrot]

part of p2 lv being simplified made her more spammable of a team sp battery now so alot of transitions are just spamming her QTEs as much as possible to prep for PS ult

[open bone]

What score u got

[half hatch]

751

[open bone]

Ah better than mine. Fair enough

I’m stuck at 38 rn, trying to get up to 40

Which is I think what I’ll need to retain

[elfin parrot]

why did i read that as 38 myriad

[half hatch]

fdd xdc ? ig we used the same ref here

[open bone]

I’m at 56 myriad but that’s not gonna last

I’m using FWS PS

[half hatch]

oh hm, tried fdd xdc yet ?

[open bone]

I did but this was back when I was only scoring 20-25

I’ve been doing PS Badum since the afk helped me with a run for it

My atk only 1523

[half hatch]

figures, PS never really worked out for me so i just ran with the s2 LV ref afk gave me

well your atk is 5 higher than mine

[open bone]

Huh maybe I’m just bad then. Entirely possible

How fast are you killing P1

[half hatch]

like 918

[open bone]

Oh that’s only 4pts faster than me. So I have no excuse for scoring 13 worse in part 2

[half hatch]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ZjcgzLEva/

that's what i used maybe have a look at it

could prob be a bit better if i get my second frenzy finisher in SO at the right moment so i dont waste that much dmg with the finisher

[open bone]

Wdym, you’re overkilling?

[half hatch]

kinda yeah

[open bone]

And here I’m under killing. Gotta fix my skill issue then for sure and figure out that ref. At least once I learn how to use my hands I can prolly retain

[half hatch]

but i need to find a balance between finishing frenzy early and still getting 3 FoI for the SP

[elfin parrot]

all my attempts at cutting lv's actions short backfired on me. They made her benefits at consuming full slashes too great

so the main way to "remove/shorten" her actions is to just have her attack early before tribunal comes back in p2

maybe you already meant that by finishing frenzy early though. idk

[half hatch]

nah i actually meant end frenzy early as in holding wep, for me it worked out but it felt very rot dependent

also i feel like this is the first time the 300 shining trace from cx were handy

since that meant i dont need to do all slashed with LV

[lament prairie]

how the fuck did I even end up so short on ARI LOOOL

[elfin parrot]

hm i'm using ss cx and i still feel i'm barely getting by on traces/sp/facets but idk

i need to look into how XDC as symb works. I don't know if her third hold attack differs from ult in outburst. I think they do but everytime i tried using ult, it ended up worse for me

[half hatch]

it's either WA or CA, her WA is considered a link ult and also provides shining trace and is one of the actions that give SP

her CA is just the regular second action that also restores SP

well most of the time it's just WA because it has time stop

[elfin parrot]

ah ok

[simple fractal]

is LV still lightning affixes or is she atk affixes now

[mortal jetty]

Full Atk

[lament prairie]

rate my T

(I have no fucking locks and I got max sp 4 times in a row)

[simple fractal]

0

retaining sinful 2 with this one

[elfin parrot]

t bag and t pose respectively

[last hull]

I didn’t know Caesar was a baddie all this time

[lament prairie]

yeah caesar has that completely useless female armour

so kawaii

[last hull]

Wait why does she only have armor on her boots

[lament prairie]

because women store their internal organs in their shins in anime

[formal wigeon]

with what some people do with feet I get it

[lament prairie]

I HAD THE CRIT EMBLEM ON

I HAD THE CRIT EMBLEM ON

FOR MY ENTIRE LUNA MALD

FUCKKKK

[elfin parrot]

HAHAHA I ALSO HAD PHYS EMBLEM ON FOR MOST OF MY ATTEMPTS

HECK OFF XDC

i also don't think changing it properly made a difference for me

[lilac mango]

Is Chenxue S much of an improvement over just yolo'ing with Dreamseeker SSS in Red Lotus Abyss?

I am close to getting her, but I've often outscored people that are using Chenxue by just using Dreamseeker...

[elfin parrot]

probably not. The main notable aspect at S is she can give a large amount of initial ARI iirc

but otherwise the main benefits are at SS and even then they don't largely matter until you reach nirvana tier of the game.

[visual quest]

i have s LV in a bracket full of ss+ LVs, am i cooked (nirv)

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu5Ka1rJMc8 here's one example at red lotus. You can go through the channel for many more. (There is one video about SD mobs that resulted in a large difference. Disregard that one. That cycle is niche and weird)

[elfin parrot]

prob but you can reach S2 possibly with supply shop?

Although lv scenarios are prob going to niche so this may be questionable investment

maybe you can show us what you're doing and we can help further too

[visual quest]

honestly dont really have time to tryhard this time, so not gonna even bother lol

[visual quest]

tru... prolly will just leave it then

whats been the best supply shop stamp investment so far?

never really used it

[elfin parrot]

that's a very account dependent question

and possibly a very arguable one

[visual quest]

no easy answer i guess 🙂‍↕️

[elfin parrot]

yeah sorry hi3 is very dynamic lol

[lilac mango]

gotcha, thanks

[elfin parrot]

but as long as the valk is very well used, if it shows up in supply shop you are by the meta standards expected to have those stamps

[visual quest]

lol yeah i just feel like im hoarding my currency for it

[elfin parrot]

ofc supply shop is only one kind of source. Do consider others like ER shop, reserve work, etc

spending event currently although this patch's shop isn't very appealing. Check pins in #👶beginner-help for more details but also wait for cn news

[digital sky]

Am i just really bad and somehow holding it
Or is lv a lot more sensitive to her WA hold happening

[subtle swift]

What is the max score for the event emblem?

[elfin parrot]

you're not alone in this thought

i personally rebind my controls to make it more managable

[boreal eagle]

there is a max score ?

[elfin parrot]

there isn't

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/NfwyZwl.png

[subtle swift]

Ok so I can stop farming if I am not interested in the leaderboard?

[elfin parrot]

you may still do one match a day to empty the shop

[digital sky]

I have never okay well i say never but im sure its happened like once or twice
But like
This is outrageous
I barley touched it and it just said "u snooze u lose"

[elfin parrot]

but that is optional to get the main rewards from it

[flat rain]

Man, I always see my account is pretty garbage

[elfin parrot]

i've only done multiplayer for the first day

[flat rain]

This game never treated me well

[elfin parrot]

and that's all i have left in the shop

[elfin parrot]

with the way we make meta recommendations, we do assume worst case scenarios. At worst a player can afford a valk+weapon once every 2-3 patches.

anyway what sort of help do you want? It looks like you were around on sena's patch on 7.3 then returned for HLE elysia

[subtle swift]

Oki doki, thank you! Also I didnt find that writing about the emblem, I was trying to find it without looking dumb here but I still asked sadly thanks again~

[flat rain]

Figuring out how to get out of the predicament that I’m in

[elfin parrot]

for the most part just make use of what you already have the best you can, and start playing more regularly. Prioritize saving crystals until you have enough for full (valk + weapon) new release.

It's awkward early on but as you get more and enough valks, teams will come together. As long as you focus on the latest ones, (i don't expect you to get all but you'll get somewhere half to majority) then your account will lapse into the meta as the older one falls off

[flat rain]

I just login and do my daily and that’s it

[elfin parrot]

hm ok

!faq crystals

[night parcel]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

take a look through these, especially the bottom link which are limited time/missable crystals

the first section of the bottom link more concerns regular activities (not just dailies but also throughout the week)

mainly prioritize abyss and ER if you can. Those are the most major sources of regular income

[flat rain]

I just mostly do the abyss and that’s it

[elfin parrot]

Well consider the list in full and see what you're willing to do. Ideally you get all you can but i understand this isn't reasonable to everyone.

The less you get, the less you may be able to keep up with newer releases

anyway you can consider that more on your own. everyone has their own balance

let's talk more about other things. Do you have any concerns about what teams you can form or how to play them?

normally for returnees i also ask if they know about gacha changes but you prob do if you have HLE and PAWS already

[elfin parrot]

!faq rates

[night parcel]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

ideally you save up to 40k per release

[lament prairie]

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN I USED IT BECAUSE ATK IS BETTER FOR ME

I HAVE 11% CDMG ON HER STIGSSS

[elfin parrot]

lmao

[lament prairie]

WHAT THW FUCJ WAS I DOING

[lament prairie]

This needs to be a faq

[dull sphinx]

Ayo lyo

[lament prairie]

Faq lethimcook

[elfin parrot]

it's so powerful

[lament prairie]

Hi pot wtf u doing in a help channel

[dull sphinx]

Was about to see if there's ER related question to answer

[vernal terrace]

[lament prairie]

I have one

Whats HoV's best build

[dull sphinx]

Sure?

[elfin parrot]

pot would you mind if i just frequently ping you when people want to know ER details lol

[lament prairie]

Just testing you

[dull sphinx]

[dull sphinx]

Sure, wynaut

[lament prairie]

[elfin parrot]

like yesterday i got a question about which sparkle build they should go for, and really both works but i'm sure they would appreciate a more substantial answer

ok cool. I'll do so without reservation going forward assuming i remember

[vernal terrace]

[elfin parrot]

i've seen you talking about griseo signets and such in honkai chat so i do have some trust even though we never really talk much lol

[dull sphinx]

Me personally would use sakura, kalpass, su, mobi, pardo plus griseo red, blue and black

[lament prairie]

Pot

[elfin parrot]

somewhere around here if you want to bump this case

[lament prairie]

Pot where is villv

Pot

Please

[dull sphinx]

Is okay lol, like I said, I can help with most of the ER related question

[lament prairie]

Pot please where is my goat

[elfin parrot]

man i just rolled vill-v from dorm so i need to clear her stuff in ER eventually now lol

miraculous dorm pull tbh considering i was gonna get her from WT this patch (but couldn't because my AL was too low)

[dull sphinx]

No worry, I didn't forgot about it, but vill-v is kinda low priority on this patch

[lament prairie]

Valid thank you goat

[dull sphinx]

Do you have her wep and stig tho?

Aight, imma go work now, any questions related to ER feel free to ping me, I can help with most of the thing to some degree

[elfin parrot]

i have briaeus ex and little joys at least

but i don't plan to clear high with her anyway

just low diff runs to get my levels up for her crystals

[last hull]

Is there a way to "speedrun" collection rating?

[elfin parrot]

so i'm not actually asking for help

yeah you can comb the foundry for a bunch of 3* base stuff you don't have

then spend a tooon of materials upgrading them to max

max rarity is a separate collection point

i only say 3* base stuff since that's cheaper to upgrade in masses

[dull sphinx]

Oh, you can just clear void over and over to farm exp

[elfin parrot]

it works for high rarity stuff too but obv those are too costly

[elfin parrot]

yeah i'm aware lol

i'm not actually asking for any help for myself lol

i just thought myself getting villv from dorm was a funny coincidence

[dull sphinx]

Tho me personally just farm finality for like 3 or 4 times

[elfin parrot]

yeah

i prob would just lite the highest i can deal with

[dull sphinx]

Aight, if need build suggestions feel free to ask

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/HmV96GU.png

anyway you can see the collection does track unmaxed and maxed stuff separately

https://i.imgur.com/xZs7yQr.png

[last hull]

Oh maxing a mem/weapon will get more points?

[elfin parrot]

maxing is not truly the accurate term

max rarity. but at max rarity you can be at lv 1

[last hull]

Oh ok

[elfin parrot]

no need to push for the final sets of levels

[last hull]

Just overtune it to max then got it

[dull sphinx]

Meanwhile me just level it up anyway

[elfin parrot]

notable if you're doing this in masses. i shudder to think of how much mats get wasted from that lol

[last hull]

Unfortunately I do not have the coins for that shit lmao

[elfin parrot]

hm wtf i never maxed tchaikovsky?

[vernal terrace]

[elfin parrot]

hm i don't think i even have it atm lol. I'll worry about it when if they make a new rating

[digital sky]

Is lv the top scorer of any of the upcoming bosses besides this one? (Abyss)

[dull sphinx]

Me still got long way to go

[elfin parrot]

bleed mobi probably

[digital sky]

Is there any hope they could possibly fix the held wa being forced before then?

[vernal terrace]

[lime grail]

is sss hh even worth

she so niche

im ss1 btw

[elfin parrot]

if you have spare AL work towards it assuming nothing else. Otherwise for any other source, you can hold until her weather actually shows up

but yeah too niche imo. We don't know if new things will come along to change her teams too

[elfin parrot]

idk. i'm just a prof. who do you think you're talking to? lol

[vernal terrace]

[digital sky]

Oh i thought i was talking to a hoyo employee

[elfin parrot]

maybe try asking CS or asking the CN channel to see if there was anything about this

man i actually got paid for my time here...

[digital sky]

“Hey, so lv is finicky and likes to ignore the entire frenzy duration by forcing held WA even if i didn’t hold it. Is there anything you can do?”

[elfin parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/theresa-apocalypse-luna-kindred-tericula-gif-4429098836422763880

what esp is bad is they gave us less reasons to end frenzy early too

like the extra damage we get from full frenzy is a big gap

[digital sky]

Even if u attack slower she just says teehee and ends it anyways

Or maybe thats me being skill issued

[elfin parrot]

i already told you what my personal solution to it was

all i can say is to explore stuff on your own from there

[digital sky]

I cant change bindings im mobile..

[elfin parrot]

sorry i can't help much more then. if you're on android stay away from 3rd party input methods too

those are considered hacks/tools that can get your account axed

[digital sky]

I didnt plan on it anyhow

[elfin parrot]

crazy idea. does lowering ingame fps help? this is bad in other ways but i'm just thinking less frames for the game to register your input = less frames to think it's holding to end frenzy early

[digital sky]

Hmm ill give it a try

[elfin parrot]

keep your graphics setting on performance though. We don't want lag to change your input from a press into a hold

[digital sky]

Is ulting lv when the enemies first spawn a good choice

To like get the hc

And then swap to supports

[elfin parrot]

for this cycle?

[digital sky]

Mhm

[elfin parrot]

most strats set up your support effects first

please consult a full ref

you do get one instance of lv entering frenzy to cut down the mob hitcount but from there you may dps with lv fully to remove the rest of the hits, or stop early and use ps ult to handle the rest

[digital sky]

Ah yeah ps.

[elfin parrot]

check the QTE settings too

some strats may have PS qte off or some other valk

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/Jfqv5ZOnDzk
https://youtu.be/yJck2PGHRI8
https://youtu.be/o6Zawjby9Ao
https://youtu.be/qJdgbbfYDvw
I was reccomended a few teams to try and here are my results with all of them. I don't have a lot of time to oprimize all of them so which should I try optimizing?

Also, how do I play Seele as a golden Ichor support?

[digital sky]

I mean i dont own ps so im using fdd or badum and mei

[elfin parrot]

uh i'm going to focus more on xdc or fws

fws afaik is less damage but faster. consider if you have enough damage

[elfin parrot]

for your case, then just frenzy once for the hitcount and plow through it with lv slashes

for the final hitcount i guess you can aim to finish it with lv herself

either fireworks or a quick support ult to swap back to lv to enter frenzy

[elfin parrot]

what rank is lv? i didn't realize this was nirv.

[pale musk]

SS, show stats in the luna w/new mei video, sorry about that.

S rank Chenxue also

[elfin parrot]

ok. the main lower ref i have handy is going to look like this but this is still ss2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQa2tfaWP_E

see what you can gleam from it

in my mind fws is lower damage but faster animations which prob isn't your case

i don't know seele very well so i can't talk about her. PAWS is hardly considered and we don't have time so let's forget about her for now

let's focus on mei overall

(and for your fws fight i don't think you even applied buffs correctly at the start. fws qte didn't hit anything at 41 and you swapped off without landing a CA which would be an alternative condition. Ult hitting is not a 3pc stig condition)

actually is @half hatch or @open bone around?

i think they have stuff more matching to ss0?

[elfin parrot]

yeah maybe try looking at this one too

oh wait that's non ps. if you have ps definitely stick with her

[pale musk]

ok, ty very much.

[elfin parrot]

i'll still review your mei video at least

[pale musk]

ty

[elfin parrot]

• i'm going to assume PS wa did hit to buff you. Personally I feel doing it too late can cause it to miss this. I usually aim to WA at 996
• XDC ult timing was too slow. You can go at 986 or 985 (look at ARI)
• lv entering frenzy can happen at 981 or 980 consequently

you can see the opener i describe here https://youtu.be/rNl2oigy8uA

[pale musk]

it's weird, copyimg the rotations from the videos like this https://youtu.be/YvWQ1Au_vqA?si=coOGkWYYkstanqP2 makes me think they're more concerned about grouping than getting ults early and such; at the intro at least

[elfin parrot]

the frenzy grouping is actually usually pretty good enough

i rarely ran into grouping issues

also the way your p1 had to do 3 lv cycles to finish makes me feel you should just enter outburst

and aim for a double outburst fight

do you understand what sort of things you're aiming to do in transition?

• take out robot waves to gain justice (avoid getting hit by stray airstrikes which lowers justice)
• luna qte as much as possible to farm for sushang sp for her final ult
• ps wa x2 can also restore 12 sp for herself
• can also take care of any stellar drains here if you haven't done so yet

if you're starting outburst mid transition...

• get most of outburst support actions out of the way so all you need to do later is mei's weapon finisher
• prep enough sp so lv can consume 150 + 550 + 300 both cycles
• sushang ult prob helps build a bit of sp drained to get the 3rd facet?

idk if the bottom half applies to you

https://i.imgur.com/2LOOdva.png although i will say you're not dealing maximum damage with lv's second cycle because of this

i think PS effect may have ran out on your post outburst frenzy but i guess this is fine with that few boss hp left.

Hopefully that can be omitted entirely with some major adjustments though

for the final hitcount, just PS ult + basic attack

[elfin parrot]

i don't see what you're talking about here. It still follows what i said earlier

oh geez this is ss1 +2 syn? a stellar key synergy is kinda major for personal damage

[west barn]

Quick question

I’m a returning player and was wondering would it be a good idea to get all the old characters

[elfin parrot]

no. Focus on new releases from this point forward

[west barn]

all I have atm

[elfin parrot]

what kind of goals do you have with returning to the game? We generally emphasize meta since that gives more gacha income

[west barn]

Tbh idk😭

[elfin parrot]

do you have any attachments to your current account? or are you willing to start over?

[west barn]

Just wanna do stuff

[west barn]

I love my account

[elfin parrot]

hm ok let's work with your current account then. It'll take more time but it's not unsavable

[west barn]

What should I start with?

[elfin parrot]

does the theresa you're focusing on here have her signature gacha weapon? did you pull this from returnee supply?

(not saying to pull it if you don't have it yet though)

tell me about the badum fiery wishing star (new years) kiana too

[west barn]

Got her from return supply

And pulled the new character and her stigma

[elfin parrot]

uh i don't see the new character

the new character this patch is mei

[west barn]

Yea get

[elfin parrot]

did you get her weapon yet?

[west barn]

Her*

[west barn]

Nope

[elfin parrot]

you said stigs but stigs are now craftable.

[west barn]

I’m poor

[elfin parrot]

ok so for now with your crystals, try to make sure you don't miss out on that mei's weapon. After that just focus on saving crystals for new future releases.

Forget about any reruns you may see. They're not worth your crystals from this point.

We will get carnival soon which is a series of reruns. There will be 20 free tickets for valks only, not equipment. Overall odds are low so don't expect much but maybe you can luck into something here. I recommend dragon Coralie (FDD) for you. Check pins in #👶beginner-help for more details. If you need more analysis lmk and i can tell you more as well. Again, do not spend any actual crystals or blue/pink cards here. Only the free tickets you're given.

!faq crystals

[night parcel]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

the second link here is the higher priority. Stuff there you can miss and they can expire

first link you can get alot more from but they don't refresh. They're one time only. Go after them when there's nothing else to go after

for any returnee, the two main things i try to introduce are

• gacha changes (mainly equipment)
• team building changes (this is very important)

!faq supply

[night parcel]

Supplies Explained

Hi, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's explanation of every single supply [here](#👶beginner-help message) and find the banner you want to know about!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

!faq ring

[night parcel]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Characters under the Astral Ring System will have one ring type (Specialization), and one or multiple tags (Attributes) that will determine how they can form teams. This system is only activated if a Character with Astral Ring is set as the leader. When activated:

• the leader's ring type will decide the team's playstyle.
• the team will benefit from effects (e.g., Stigmata buffs) that require Astral Ring.
• the team will gain access to Stellar Outburst, a high damage output state you can enter after charging enough energy (Astral Ring Intensity).

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

i'm not asking you to read all of these now but keep these in mind for later

[digital sky]

Spam spam spam WA (no breaks) works..for me atleast

[elfin parrot]

low fps?

[digital sky]

Also that! But idk if high fps changes anything aswell

[west barn]

I think these the only new age characters I have

[elfin parrot]

anyway let me give you a head start on what teams to start using for now.

First slot is always leader. Leader is now the dps. The rest are supports.

• New XDC Mei | New Years FWS Kiana, Farmable non-dragon VBm Coralie
• New Years FWS Kiana | New XDC Mei. Vbm Coralie
• Sleepy SCi Theresa | XDC Mei, FWS Kiana

For more details on how these teams form together and how they play, check out the astral ring faq earlier.

it doesn't seem like you have emphasized getting weapon much on your account. Please note signature weapons are important for

• 30-40% personal damage on the user. If the user is the leader (dps role), this is a big deal
• Some weapons might have important utility (sleepy theresa does have a meter refill effect on her weapon, but you can play around this)

Nowadays weapon is the only gacha exclusive part of the valk's gears. It takes 60 rolls to guarantee a weapon.

but new stuff is still the overall priority. So get mei's weapon while you still can.

Forget about theresa and kiana's weapons. The mileage you'll get from pulling those at this point isn't as great.

Note alot of this help i'm giving is to prepare you for the long term meta

but if you just want to focus on story, don't mind not getting as much crystals and/or just focus more on who you like then you can disregard alot of this advice

[west barn]

Ima try to get her weapon I’m only 32 away from pity

Also do they have a list of which herr they give for free next?

Also I’m lacking weapons because pulling characters never goes well

[elfin parrot]

not really. herrscher doesn't mean much at this point. most of the older ones are farmable

and we haven't gotten any new ones

[west barn]

Even the final Kiana one?

[elfin parrot]

that's in reserve work shop now

but i don't recommend going after her

reserve work shop income isn't plentiful

[west barn]

Kinda want this one

[elfin parrot]

!faq crystallum

[night parcel]

Immutable Crystallums

Hey there, Captain!

Crystallums are a Battle Pass Currency that can be exchanged for Valkyries and Equipment in the Reserve Works. Captains who purchase Knight or Paladin BP can also access the BP Works of that patch for 3 versions.

There are 3 BP tiers offering different amounts of Crystallums as follows:
-# The totals below account for the 2 Crystallums in the Dorm Shop.

• Vanguard (F2P) BP: 5 per patch
• Knight BP: 18 per patch
• Paladin BP: 24 per patch

It is recommended to spend your Crystallums on Divine Keys that you have yet to collect for permanent account-wide ATK bonuses. See the list [here](#👶beginner-help message).

Feel free to ask us for account specific advice - especially if you buy BP!

[elfin parrot]

That's PAWS helia. not a herrscher

[west barn]

I know

[elfin parrot]

she will rerun in carnival but i don't recommend going out of your way for her metawise

[west barn]

Also it’s possible to get that Bp stuff as a ftp?

[elfin parrot]

Vanguard (F2P) BP: 5 per patch

[west barn]

Noted

[elfin parrot]

!faq wpc

[night parcel]

Work Points Card

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

Work Points Cards are accumulated by completing Dorm Errands. Their income will scale with your Dorm Level. You can easily buy out the important items in the shop every patch if you do errands daily.

Spending Priority:

1. x2 Crystallums
2. x50 Einstein's Torus
3. x3 Dorm Supply Cards (prioritise higher if you need them for an ongoing spending event).
4. Asterite (only when you need it).
5. Dorm Gacha Type Gamma (purely to boost your dorm level if you are desperate to increase it).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[finite barn]

reserve works stuff is f2p accessible, just need to be patient

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/smNGjQB.png 2 from dorm shop
https://i.imgur.com/ccdBNsE.png 3 from free battle pass

[pale musk]

Sushang sends out the umbrella in the intro before any mobs land. I thought this meant that Sushang wasn’t hitting anything, but I could be wrong.

[elfin parrot]

the umbrella homes and it actually hits them off screen to trigger the buff effect i believe

you can just look at your damage really

it's a huge difference if you don't get it

[west barn]

Ima go farm crystals for Mei weps and one more question

[pale musk]

So I should make sure the umbrella gets thrown when the red circles appear and it’ll technically hit them?

[west barn]

You said no point in farming old characters does that mean I can use something else for this or?

[finite barn]

dont trust those recommendations they never update those

[elfin parrot]

no i observed that possibly missing when i go late even though it seems like it hits

just go at 996 and it should work

[west barn]

Okay had to make sure

[elfin parrot]

for now use the three teams i showed you the best it fits to the scenarios you will encounter

when you get mei's weapon and upgrade it it'll prob be better than any of those other teams

[elfin parrot]

!faq wt

[night parcel]

War Treasury Farming

Hey, Captain!

Click [here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the War Treasury Farming Recommendation, which is kept updated!

Short Answer:

• If there are limited-time discounts on character cards, buy them ASAP!
• Prioritise buying character cards of Valkyries that are in Elysian Realm.
• After that, unlock everyone else for dorm progression.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

overall nothing meta to use here

but still something to get over time when you can for other aspects of the game

i do recommend keeping some amount of everything though

in case something important gets known (we are waiting for cn server info who are ahead of us)

anyway check out #👶beginner-help pins too for tons of other general info

[west barn]

Okay

[elfin parrot]

note that while the three teams reuses the same members, the teams overall play very differently

again please review the astral ring faq. I think that's prob the most important part of what we talked about so far

[west barn]

Also I did the math for war treasury would it be better to just get the individual shards? Cause it’ll take two months to get the higher end ones and a month and 2 weeks for the lower ones

[elfin parrot]

the total cost is the same whether you go for card or unlock by fragments

it's just with cards you can unlock at once without needing to wait weeks. an option for those who already have alot handy

[west barn]

Oh

Well thx for the help time to go read more

[elfin parrot]

feel free to continue asking if anything else comes up

but do explore the game and the resources here

anyway i'll be hopping off for now. my arms are tired lol

other people can still help so don't hesitate to ask

[spiral raven]

iirc if it hits the little ones

no buff

needs to be the big one

[elfin parrot]

oh that kinda makes sense

because if i go late i see the hit count decreasing

honky janky

[elfin parrot]

btw you still do want to collect/farm old characters when it's accessible/affordable. they still benefit you with dorm passives and elysian realm unlocks.

just make sure it doesn't prevent you from focusing on your newer teams

what i mainly said earlier was to not spend your crystals/blue and pink cards on pulling reruns

[west barn]

Understood

[last hull]

8 down, 15 left to go Who should I do next?

[craggy plume]

SW was pretty easy for me.

[digital sky]

Whos sx?

Vbm is really easy tho

[last hull]

Nyx

[last hull]

How do I play her

[digital sky]

Oh

[last hull]

I

[digital sky]

Well theres 2 builds

[last hull]

SO build

[digital sky]

Yeah

SO is
WA spam

[last hull]

What Ego sigs and what nexus?

[digital sky]

Egos r the ones that mention SO directly like
"When in SO"
Pins for the nexus

[finite barn]

why are all the refs for this abyss ss1+ where'd people get that from

with the supply shop stamps it should just be ss0 by my calculations?

[elfin parrot]

#👶beginner-help message

and as for bp, keep in mind some people get that for free via raffle (i personally did saved it for lv's bp cycle)

[finite barn]

oh from bp

ic

[pale musk]

I didn't have enough time to get better or I just got mega-stomped by ranks or something. Thank you very much though for the help.

at least I figured out I could 2 cycle the boss on p1 if I buffed right.

[open bone]

Wish I had your bracket

[last hull]

[fleet flame]

Jesus, nirvana seems like cancer to retain

[vernal terrace]

It depends on the bracket

[fleet flame]

There are brackets?

[vernal terrace]

[pale musk]

What rank your Luna and Chenxue?

[vernal terrace]

They had S2 Luna and SS Chenxue

[pale musk]

Ok that makes sense

Is SS really that broken compare to S Chenxue?

Like what’s the point diff?

[fair dawn]

the only p2 character i have is kiana who shld i pull for next

[fleet flame]

I kinda wanna get hor from the bp shop if I can get enough crystalum and then get her dkey when it reruns (ik reruns are bad)

[vernal terrace]

HoR is also in WT also she has a divine key in BP

[fleet flame]

I think that’s her abbreviation

[vernal terrace]

Unless you mean HoRb

[cunning gull]

you mean HoRb? that's rebirth
HoR is reason

[fleet flame]

Oh I’m slow

My bad

I meant HoRb

[cunning gull]

but reserve is expensive and do you have all the part 1 dkeys?

getting a valk there to use for meta is an iffy choice due to cost and u not getting something else that can help you as well but is cheaper

[open bone]

s2 and SS

[half hatch]

It really depends on the boss so I can't really give you an exact number but maybe I can help with elaborating her buffs at SS in comparison to S a bit more

The obvious thing to point out is the Ari regen ofc can make quite a difference in points but irrc it wasn't too important this cycle since you theoretically also just skip the first SO in P1

CD SO reduction, tbh it's kinda whatever since you wouldn't really be able to get SO that fast again with s CX anyway so I haven't really seen any cycle where this was extremely important, though there was a cycle where the SO CD reduction from SSS CX was relatively significant so in the end it all really depends on the run as always.

200 SP on SO entry, this is honestly a really good upgrade in comparison to S, lets you skip some actions on support from time to time and for the LV cycle specifically made reaching 3 FoI a bit easier since you didn't need to do 3/4 SP regen moves on the supports to have enough SP for 3 FoI, the 3 FoI are like a +20% lightning DMG buff compared to 2 FoI so it can determine if you're able to kill the boss with LV's finisher or if you can cancel her frenzy mode earlier to still keep the 3 FoI and reduce overkilling

Then she also has some generic DMG buffs ofc

[open bone]

retain score in my bracket was 758

[vernal terrace]

729 was the retain score in mine

[pale musk]

I was using SS Luna, S Mei, S Sushang and S Chenxue. Could I have gotten higher than 742?

#💁gameplay-help message

Also how does LV’s SO work? How is it different from Helia’s SO?

[open bone]

probably yes

S2 luna with a 1 SO run could get above that with SS chen

and SS luna should be a bigger dmg buff than ss chen

[open bone]

you ult, click wa a bunch to run down your sp, go out to your supports to refill sp, ult, wa a bunch again, finisher. More sp restored between -> more dmg

[vernal terrace]

Helia is just x3 Ult CA > support Ults then x3 Ult CA finisher

[fleet flame]

no I don’t 😭

[vernal terrace]

Think they're new

Or well returnee

[fleet flame]

Yeah😭 I’ve been playing for a year and a few months atp with a bunch of breaks(started during sparkle)

[cunning gull]

then u need those dkeys first, they've cheaper to get than a valk and i assume you have at least one viable team? then the atk will slowly stack and it would matter
even if you don't really have a viable team the attack will apply to all valks including new ones

by the time you get horb from reserve and backpull the dkey she'll be less viable

if you want horb for collection or personal preference then you can wait for her to be available elsewhere

[fleet flame]

Alr

My most solid team atm is I think paws hle and new Mei

[fleet flame]

But should I just get like any of them or are there ones I should get first? (Dkeys)

[cunning gull]

yeah thats a full team
if they all have sig weap you can swap the leader for 3 teams

so get part 1 dkeys from reserve first

#👶beginner-help message these are what you wanna get

abyss flower and FHD you can delay because they want their counterpart thats in foundry

[vernal terrace]

Sakura and Judah also have a different way to get them

[pale musk]

Ok, ty

[cunning gull]

yeah they can get sakura from foundry and judah from exchange (by the cheapest g1 bounties (or just buy 3rd sacred relic) then turn into normal weapon from foundry also then convert to resonance

[fleet flame]

[vernal terrace]

It does take time

[fleet flame]

I mean idk what most of that means

😭

[cunning gull]

judah and sakura are both divine keys, they give you attack mainly and something called gene limits that let you get buffs if activated
your concern is that they're divine keys you wanna get but not from reserve works

you can get all the other divine keys listed from there

[zealous minnow]

Guys, anyone have issue on Elysia Realm? I can't click anything, only press F to open menù for shallow sequence or ER

Like i can't use the key i have

[spiral raven]

doesnt sound like er issue

[zealous minnow]

Np i press Alt and mouse appear

[rigid cedar]

do you have a controller connected?

[rigid cedar]

oh thats mouse+kb mode

[zealous minnow]

Nope, but on ER i have everything on move the valk

[rigid cedar]

just press alt gr to switch to keyboard only

that brings back the mouse

[zealous minnow]

yeah just alt, can also be just login issue

[rigid cedar]

no i mean right alt button

alt gr

it's not a login issue unless you really have keyboard only controls on

[plucky gust]

guys, any ex ma refs?

[spiral raven]

what u need, aops and team?

[plucky gust]

idk really. my guy dodoco hasn't uploaded yet so yea. . . imma try bilibili generator for now

[open bone]

Try Mei HlE Badum and PS Luna FDD (unless you have P1 Luna)

[spiral raven]

just ds?

[plucky gust]

im looking at the t100 of the bosses first, then plug them to the generator

[spiral raven]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1KiF1zxEZm/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=0c55e9eeea7f01cd7949940b979fafe9

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1z7AfzdEz3/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=0c55e9eeea7f01cd7949940b979fafe9

[plucky gust]

ooh for this, i now have SS chenxue so maybe there's a bit better? that's why i got myriad for ages last round

anyway, thanks @spiral raven for the help already

[spiral raven]

how did i get pinged twice in one msg
oh nvm

[spiral raven]

there's a 856 on rice cake

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1XfNMzkEWH/?spm_id_from=333.1391.0.0

[plucky gust]

wtf rice cake? what is that transition phase. . .

now i feel real lazy doing it. . . imma bookmark it for now

[spiral raven]

well can always ask here ig if u struggle

[plucky gust]

true. btw, when was the last time we had bke as boss? it feels like its been years, right?

[spiral raven]

2 yrs yea

[last hull]

Who to use for Bkek if no Luna?

[fringe sandal]

Sena, Vita or trio should work?

Can always use HoT

[lime grail]

is there a rice cake ref for s chenxue

[dusky mantle]

maybe HoT PV HoTR

with CF

[opal cradle]

returnee player here and my account is very old but i really dont wanna reroll but it feels like its taking forever for me to farm pulls for her...

[last hull]

Define very old

[steady osprey]

gacha is gacha. it is made to make u pay a lot

especially when u dont really wanna "work" hard.
my tip? be lucky

[formal wigeon]

And this isn't really a game where you "farm pulls" either, most of the source are from repeating daily/weekly stuff

outside of some potential backlog of story (but mostly only p1, p2 doesn't give that much) and ER lvling (but that's also only for valks you own)

[opal cradle]

my last S-rank valk was HoTr

[last hull]

I would probably reroll? But if ur dead set on not doing so then I think u should live

[opal cradle]

alr i guess ill just tough it out

[last hull]

HTR can cover most of ur teams while u cope for new characters

[opal cradle]

surely i can get 22 pulls in a month

ty

[last hull]

Do keep in mind though

If you cannot secure Mei's weapon

It would be better to just have not pulled her at all

No weapon = valk useless (99% of the time)

[opal cradle]

oh damn

i remember you used to be able to farm for a decent replacement back in the day

[last hull]

Assuming you care about competition

[last hull]

Not really tbh

In the really old days, maybe, but I wasn't around then so I can't say

Characters requiring weapon has been the norm for most of the game's history

[opal cradle]

maybe im thinking about the stigs?

but in any case should i also start pulling on her weapon banner with the cards i have

[lament prairie]

I really don't know what to do about spending event

in terms of what I get

[steady osprey]

isnt there a guide in beginner help

[lament prairie]

it's aimed at beginners

not fat whale vets like me

that have a sprinkle of casual

[formal wigeon]

throw a dice

[lament prairie]

I feel like lantern/que ranks or que op would be a waste, idrk what I'd gain

I want to buy elf frags but I've also finished the ELFs I actually use so idrc that much

||I'll probably be pulling SS Youyun so I feel like que op is pointless||

I can't foresee how often they will keep rerunning lantern bosses

obligatory once per patch

[last hull]

JD ranks are kinda shit ngl

I was thinking of getting some until I read what she actually does

[lament prairie]

I only need 4 stamps for S2 Lantern so I might do that

and spend the rest on elf

[last hull]

||Are we allowed to talk ab beta atp in time?||

||Cause I feel like I will probably just blow it all on SW||

[lament prairie]

||in spoiler tags yes if its about future planning||

||I don't need spending event to hit SSS SW ||

||not a bad idea for you tho maybe, what rank rn?||

[last hull]

||F2Poor, only S1||

||Im thinking of shooting for SS2 ideal scenario||

[lament prairie]

xd

[last hull]

||Tho I'll be fine w SS1||

[lament prairie]

let me remind myself what her goated ranks were

think shes ss1 or bust

[last hull]

Not in any particular order but

I think S2 and SS1 are her biggest ranks

S1 is also good

[lament prairie]

yea I think so

not sure how significant SS is, I don't play her often but its not like her ult is expensive

[last hull]

Her SS2 is also pretty good imo tho admittedly it's not a huge damage boost so it is ignorable

[last hull]

Yea Im not sure either

||And also we dunno how significant it'll be w DKey changing her gameplay||

[lament prairie]

||that is truee I hope to see significant changes and it could change ult cost||

[cunning gull]

||def wait for beta the shop will still be there||

[lament prairie]

true

[last hull]

true

[cunning gull]

||at least just get sw frags from wt since thats is limited per week||

[lament prairie]

I'm prob gonna spend my shit towards the last day anyway

I'm currently 30/50 to SS2

need to calculate where I'll be at on patch day

[last hull]

||This is pure speculation but I have a feeling she's prolly gonna be Symbiosis too and have some special buffs for XDC||

[lament prairie]

yea true but for the support side of things ranks usually do not matter much

[last hull]

True

[lament prairie]

what week are we in still 1 or entering2

[last hull]

Especially someone with ranks as lacking as hers

[last hull]

Entering 2

More Mei shill this cycle

[lament prairie]

well wt resets monday so I'll count week 2

week 3 I'm SS2
week 7 I'm SS3
I was planning to use ||bp|| tbh lol but maybe it would be worth using spending event so I can use bp for like vita ranks or smth stupid in the future instead

[last hull]

Should I spend AL on SS HH|| given what we know now? Or is it still too early to really say anything||

[lament prairie]

so I need to find 40 frags

[lament prairie]

wai hh?

[last hull]

Cause she's close to SS

Kinda

[lament prairie]

[cunning gull]

so we agree on these ranks being the best then?
||bc if im desparate, i might use the 2025 selector and 2026 selector to reach ss1||
||but ill do in the last moment bc i like the locks in the boxes||

[lament prairie]

OHHH RIGHT THE SELECTOR

IM STUPID

[cunning gull]

[lament prairie]

Ok I've found my frags

[cunning gull]

im like the only one that remembers them

[lament prairie]

I forgot I can get frags from it

[last hull]

I think SS2 is ideal but SS1 is fine

This is my opinion though and not the community consensus

[cunning gull]

ok thats alr

[lament prairie]

the thing is I'm completely out of touch with what the 'average' rank is for ||sw||

[cunning gull]

will see if that changes by then

[lament prairie]

the problem is not what ranks are good its what ranks does everyone else have

EVEN the whales cannot just magically get SSS

this is a rare fossilao moment

[last hull]

I feel like most people that got her pre-event probably have her at SS or higher

[lament prairie]

but a lot of people also just let valkyries like that rot in their inv

[cunning gull]

ngl i assume sss bc shes been in wt for a while + free sw in 7.8 selector too

[lament prairie]

cuz they're useless

[cunning gull]

but i would guess ppl wouldve ss+ if not an oldge

that didnt care to farm from wt

[lament prairie]

why would they SS