💁gameplay-help

[open bone]

Oh you have Badum?

I didn’t see her in there

Oh down in screenshot 4

Yeah Badum Vita should be better

Still a little cope but less so

[faint lichen]

Ohh okeiii

[open bone]

If Badum has wep can also do Badum Mei Vita

[faint lichen]

What's her rotation?
Part2 team rotation confuses me

[faint lichen]

I do have it

[spiral raven]

have u done tutorial yet

[open bone]

^ should cover most of it. Tldr is buff with supports, dps with Mei for 25 seconds, back to supports, since repeat until stellar outburst is ready. But you’ll get a better understanding from seeing it in practice

[faint lichen]

Idk why but even if i still do them i kinda still have a hard time getting the hang of it

[open bone]

And even then that can vary

For instance in last abyss Mei just started out dpsing

Because she doesn’t need buffs to instakill mobs

[spiral raven]

in that case might wanna ask wat ur confused about

[open bone]

And yeah more specific questions can let us give more useful answers

[faint lichen]

Well is there a better way to fill the stellar outburst?

I noticed that it fills way faster on Vita than it does with Ely T-T

[open bone]

You mean HoHE? Does your HoHE have her divine key?

[faint lichen]

Yapp!

[open bone]

Oh then use her over vita even better

Mei Badum HoHE is not even bad

[faint lichen]

Yeahh it came home early when i pulled last idk what patch it released

[open bone]

The main ways to fill up stellar outburst quickly are by stellar drain (specific actions from a Valkyrie that give 20 Ari) and ultimate evasions (Badum gives two Ari per evade instead of 1, commonly used to farm in transitions)

There are also ring or team specific ways

Like in LoA there’s heavenly links, which restore Ari on QTE with a cooldown

Of 16s

Or astral ops which might give extra initial Ari or Ari gain on some action

Badum triggers her stellar drain with her hold attack or her enhanced weapon active. Mei uses her ult. Vita uses her combo attack. Etc.

You can trigger stellar drain once per outburst

[faint lichen]

Will dreamseeker be an okey astral op for mei?
I don't have any one else except Sonque 😅

[open bone]

Yeah Dreamseeker should be fine unless you’re looking to promote into Nirvana

Or even if you are if your roster is good enough

[faint lichen]

Not really
I don't wanna go to higher ranks since i don't think my valks can do it 😅

[open bone]

You could easily at least bounce RL. And probably retain most of the time if you were willing to mald

[faint lichen]

Ohhh

[open bone]

Well actually maybe not if a lot of gear is missing, RL bounce might be more realistic

But still, same ballpark

A3 definitely possible

You have HLE dps and Badum Dps and a slightly cooked HoHE dps, and if your lantern has weapon you could do her Dps

Sena dps could try using Vita yoyo but probably you can just use Badum for most of the times you’d want to

[faint lichen]

I do have another question
Will HoTr and HoO have a divine key soon? :SakuraLuv

[quasi pier]

hofi dkey is their dkey

[naive shoal]

sea abyss is very evil i would say retaining rl is a bit of a challenge 😭

[open bone]

Unclear. We have no idea what schedule Mihoyo does new divine keys on. But mostly it’s the hofi dkey that keeps them relevant

[faint lichen]

Oh

[obtuse lintel]

if you can at least complete the other 3 stages, ranking up and down from RL is absolutely woth it

[open bone]

If you can clear at least two of them really. You only need to get 15k for it to be worth

[obtuse lintel]

[faint lichen]

Ahh okieee

[open bone]

You could also work on getting HoHE fragments from the war treasury

Since she’s going to be on a lot of your teams and her personal damage might matter to avoid slivering

Plus down the line you’ll want them for HoHE dps

[faint lichen]

Oh yeah, is it possible for Valks to have a 2nd divine key?

[quasi pier]

no they've never given valks 2

[open bone]

It’s never happened before but if Mihoyo wanted to I don’t see what would stop them. It’s just not super likely

[faint lichen]

Awww i wanted a part 2 divine key for HoS TwT

Did her divine key rerun?

I really wanna get her brick

[open bone]

Yes. But it won’t rerun anymore, keep an eye out for giveaways and divine key boxes

[faint lichen]

Okeyyy

[open bone]

Last time it was available was 3 patches ago in FDD mini spending

[faint lichen]

Oh

[crude cloak]

It should appear in Reserve Works in 2 patches or so

[faint lichen]

Ahh okieee

I'll keep an eye for it

[elfin parrot]

best i can think of is BKE:

Hler's Serenity in 3.9 with BKE (Gacha)
Abyss Flower in 4.7 (Gacha, Dkey)
AF PRI ARM in 5.1
Hler PRI ARM in 5.2 (but this wasn't a notable weapon addition for the most part)

Maybe it still fits the bill in a way but it's at least a case of a valk getting her meta standings updated directly 3 times rather than 2.

• a valk can get her meta standings updated indirectly too via teammates and enemies

And this was so long ago it's arguably more exceptional than anything else. As said, nothing stopping hoyo from breaking conventions again but for now don't put too much weight into this hope.

There are cases of valks getting an unintended upgrade with non-signature gear too but that's probably too digressive from this. (e.g. Swallowtail Seele using SN's Path to Acheron PRI ARM)

[formal wigeon]

Hler pri was mostly a "it should prolly at least exist" from the devs with a funny ER build to go with it

For a valk getting 2 direct relevant updates, there's HoR in 3.3 that got her pri DoR in 4.3 then the dkey SoE in 6.1

but she released right before Pri were a thing, and even longer before they were a standard for valks on release

[steady osprey]

gift box sharing event
is there a channel for that or can i try sharing mine here?

[sweet nymph]

Does anyone have weapons calcs

[half hatch]

#invite-links-here is also used for those type of things

[formal wigeon]

for ?

[sweet nymph]

Abyss and er being closed is soo annoying let me test my charactersss

[formal wigeon]

but you can check Wyverein on youtube I guess

idk if they still do weap stuff for p2 valks as it's mostly just all garbage

[half hatch]

for who exactly ? just know that generally a valk without their signature weapon performs very poorly compared to with her signature since you lose 20-60% dps and utility, sometimes a valk may also have essential parts to their gameplay locked behind it

[sweet nymph]

To p2 characters, but characters don’t need sig if I’m using them as support right? I have herrscher of origin sig and a rank sig on my new mei and paws 😢 my team is new mei paws hle and hle is 4/4

[half hatch]

really depends on the character, in the end p2 valks are both supports and DPS so not getting their weapon and only using them as a support means you're losing out on a big part of their value

[hexed prairie]

is there a guide on new Mei battlesuit in here?

I mean from Elysian Realm

[half hatch]

for mei and paws case idt anything too relevant for their support role is locked behind their weapon but you're still missing out on some buffs

[half hatch]

idt the ER guide updated yet but you can try those

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0FAOA9SEjU
https://youtu.be/abZxvWNMxK4?si=y2HeCuHXE4AP8IET

there's quick guide at the start of the vid if you dont wanna watch the whole thing

[hexed prairie]

Thanks

[sweet nymph]

Why’s lantern so trash

[pale palm]

is 21706 a low score for this team in rl

[steady osprey]

for EU is a bit low

[last hull]

Should I scrap my Swan Lake and old HHE weapon

[red plank]

what are the recommened signets and sigils for Xentinel Mei in ER?

[red plank]

nvm

thnx mango

[rigid cedar]

yes that's low

[pale palm]

that hit count is the problem

[rigid cedar]

do you have PS?

[pale palm]

no

[rigid cedar]

alright no problem

i mean LV still clears the hitcount fine

[pale palm]

I have the new dk but no PS

[steady osprey]

nvm

the dk finisher can clear 45 hc

[pale palm]

oh I did't know that

[steady osprey]

ps somehow doesnt have bonus hc

[half hatch]

hieu le sadly only has refs with ps, can you describe/show what you are doing ?

[half hatch]

she should on the last HC shield but the first mobs have HC HP not a shield

so she doesnt gain a bonus there

[last temple]

I'm having 52 pulls till guarantee and 608 crystals, did yall think I'm going to have mei or I should skip her 😭

Tbh I really want her, not her weapon, just mei

[rigid cedar]

here's how i would do the fight. this is done with S2+1 LV. rest is S0+1. kiaelf also 4*

also my LV is underleveled

you can surely score much higher

[lament prairie]

In that case I'm assuming you don't care about competitive performance so sure keep pulling why not

[pale palm]

I just don't know her rotation now with the dc and that team
I will try this way now

[last temple]

I'll try, I have 20? pulls till her guarantee weapon

[rigid cedar]

her rotation is honestly straightforward, just need to always have a support ready to give her SP back for another frenzy

in non-SO

as for in SO, notice how i ignored fdd entirely

[half hatch]

any reason you didnt do cora ult in SO, cuz you missed out on shining trace

[rigid cedar]

well uh

it was enough SP

i figured that's a good rot if there's more than enough damage

[half hatch]

yeah so mei finisher -> cora ult
missing out on some dmg

[rigid cedar]

ah yes +0%

jk, ik it's a mistake

also 2 facets to 3

[half hatch]

nah dw, it's a minor change in the rot anyway

easy to adjust

[rigid cedar]

mhm

idk how much damage SS is

compared to S2

would be nice to see

[pale palm]

in non so does it matter who I use to get sp to luna
you switch to mei and back to luna

[half hatch]

mei is just faster than cora

[small shore]

Can you get herrscher of rebirth for free

[half hatch]

you could farm her from reserve work but that would take ~1 year as an f2p, other than that currently not no

[rigid cedar]

+2 with fdd ult mid-SO, huh

[half hatch]

[rigid cedar]

more facets lead to tribunal dying faster and more dmg on finisher so yeah makes sense

[steady osprey]

any reason hieule rotate so much in transition phase?

[rigid cedar]

wait no

no extra facet

just more damage from fdd

[half hatch]

huh ig you want to use mei CA/ cora wa + cora ult + mei finisher

it just works without that because of this

[fierce crypt]

fill justice bar

[steady osprey]

justice bar filled by killing the mech waves

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2EqKgZMu-4 maybe PS sp

https://i.imgur.com/P6Bx65I.png

[last hull]

I don't have Luna, CE, or PS for this bleed weather, I was thinking of running old P1 HRB dps w SI, but then I realized I don't actually have SSwords for HS. Should I still go HRB or do I bruteforce the weather with someone else?

[pale palm]

maybe that's good enough to be in the top 10

[elfin parrot]

do you have the link handy to all the stuff on your account you posted recently? If not i can try to dig it up

[last hull]

Like my battle chronicle?

[elfin parrot]

but hos has various other things she can try using if we really have to resort to this

uh no i mean your valk and equip roster

i thought you posted something today somewhere

[last hull]

https://act.hoyolab.com/app/community-game-records-sea/bh3/index.html?bbs_presentation_style=fullscreen&bbs_auth_required=true&gid=1&user_id=140713366&utm_source=hoyolab&utm_medium=gamecard&bbs_theme=dark&bbs_theme_device=1#/bh3

[elfin parrot]

hm nvm maybe i was thinking of someone else

[rigid cedar]

did it faster

[last hull]

I have Lantern and HHE DKey but the issue is I have no Thelema

[elfin parrot]

!faq info

[night parcel]

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[steady osprey]

hos can use TA set or Holmes

[elfin parrot]

or hotr

she has many things she can use

[last hull]

MEI is passable for non-bleed support?

[elfin parrot]

i mean in this case you're using HoRb dps

so we're boosting phys with that

[rigid cedar]

what i changed is

• didn't ult with Mei on first rotation, ulting once for the stellar drain and switch cd reset is enough.
• added fdd wa in SO which leads to finisher just straight-up killing tribunal
  as a result, next ult shredded a ton of hits off the hc shield

[elfin parrot]

but also i feel p1 horb is too old even with the type advantage. HoRb wasn't really a notable dps back in p1

mabye we can explore for something else from your roster

[last hull]

I have Lantern and HHE but the problem is I don't have Thelema for them

Or would they still be better by virtue of them just being P2

[elfin parrot]

i don't really recognize thelema being a core part of lantern?

The reason why you see her on HoHE lead teams is because HoHE's dps in ARC sucks so thelema or HLE takes over there. Thele also has alot of utility suitable to HoHE's fights.

Lantern can sometimes use thelema to evade farm off of tank's lasers but not something to consider generally. I sort of think of Thelema as quite old and weaker on the support side of things but may compensate with fast animations.

Tbh i really rather you just show me you roster entirely and we just work with what you have, rather than worrying about specific x or y you don't have that may not be relevant

and that includes equipment since you seem to have some stuff from p1

[pale palm]

oh so that's how it works
btw on what disturbance are you
I am at 519

[rigid cedar]

i'm in the same server as you

EU

[last hull]

Is the battle chronicle not working?

[elfin parrot]

i'm just too lazy to login sorry lol. give me a second

[pale palm]

but not the same group(I don't know if it matters)

[elfin parrot]

also maybe we should move to beginner help

[last hull]

Fair

[zinc quartz]

How do you check if a character has Let's have fun or I love everyone! or whatever tag they can buff?

[last hull]

I can still send pics of gear and shit

[rigid cedar]

for your placements it does

[elfin parrot]

but again i don't think hoyolab shows your equipment

yeah do that

[rigid cedar]

i mean you can end up having a slacker group, or recently demoted nirvana players

[craggy plume]

Check the 3 pc description

[rigid cedar]

or somewhere inbetween

[craggy plume]

That tells you how you can activate the buff.

[rigid cedar]

either way, RL trophies are usually gated behind who does the better rotations with their team

not always who has the highest ranks or best aops

because skill levels vary a lot

[zinc quartz]

Wait so just by having them in the team?

[craggy plume]

For FWS

[pale palm]

one point less and you @rigid cedar

[craggy plume]

You get a 25 second buff on entry if she is leader but you still need to retrigger it after those 25 seconds are gone for it to work.

[rigid cedar]

remember i have lower ranks and gear than you

unless dk atk diff balances that out

[formal wigeon]

def not

pri lvl alone is 140 atk

about 50 more with 2 ranks and 50 from stigs (+all the passives)

[rigid cedar]

question is whether that's enough to skip one SO action on supports or not

so that finisher still kills

[zinc quartz]

The wording is confusing. Does she apply Let's have fun only when she's leader?

[craggy plume]

She applies it whenever any of the conditions are met.

So she applies it when you do any of, hold basic, QTE, entering SO or when she enters combat as the leader.

[half hatch]

just read though it again, the situation is a bit weird with mei, she regens SP with her WA, CA but from LV leader skill her ultimate should provide shining trace

[rigid cedar]

what the fuck?

[craggy ivy]

With ss chenxue mei sup still need ult + ca or just press ult and swap?

[half hatch]

wait nvm

it counts as an ult

[half hatch]

just press WA

[craggy ivy]

Oghei

For current abeez no ps what run support wise for lv

[rigid cedar]

so back to needing all SO actions for 3 facets

[half hatch]

idt it's all just 3/4 like usual

[rigid cedar]

how so? i mean it's similar to hle and paws lead

or does CA on mei not count as an action

[half hatch]

it does yeah but you dont need the SP regen on the other sup

that's what i mean with 3/4

[rigid cedar]

without chenxue?

[half hatch]

yeah

with cx it's only ults

SS cx to be specific

[rigid cedar]

I'd do Mei's CA anyway if it deals damage

[dusky mantle]

damn

[rigid cedar]

or just stay on Mei actually

but then no fdd buff refresh

[half hatch]

yeah but if you have ss CX it's a time waste

[half hatch]

and not enough trace

support ults skill give shining trace

LV just doesnt consume enough SP without SS CX if you just do ults

[rigid cedar]

oh that's why

okay i think i got it now

paws could just do more ults to cope, hle consumes enough sp anyway

lv is more restricted

[half hatch]

not really i'd say she's more versatile
with LV you can still end SO even if you only do ults on both supports but you could also choose to do 3/4 SP regen actions to reach 3 FoI
paws needs 3/4 SP regen actions without SS CX not for the FoI but because she can't do a second CA without it
HLE only needs 2 ults for both 3/3 FoI and SO cancel

LV isnt restricted in a way that her WAs in SO consume a specific amount of SP but rather as long as you can cast ult you can always do WA -> finisher

the dmg and length just depends on the SP she has

[rigid cedar]

yeah you're right

[craggy ivy]

Hle need both wa for ult on 2nd field time if you don't cap FoI though

[rigid cedar]

which also helps incomplete teams tbh

in lv's case

[craggy ivy]

Was an issue for pink lobster where you needed normal hold ult for consolidating it

[half hatch]

[subtle swift]

What can I use as third? I'm willing to get Coralie in her rerun this patch but... for now I need alternatives

Thanks who help

[elfin parrot]

i haven't really backread but lv consumes 850sp per outburst cycle (11 slashes of 50 sp each and 300 on the finisher)

[elfin parrot]

i don't really recommend an FDD backpull with crystals tbh. If you're f2p or light spending, those crystals will see greater long term worth on anything new in the future instead.

And even if you get her from the free carnival tickets, i wouldn't recommend spending crystals to catch up on her weapon.

FDD grants the team 15% total damage buff and 15% enemy total damage debuff from her weapon. This can be roughly 12% difference compared to using A rank coralie hammer on her. At that point even though she is considered best, she'll fall behind other alternatives. Best supports are best by NOT much in this game as long as they match the team well. #👶beginner-help message

For now consider any other symbiosis supports like HoHE, PAWS, FWS, HoRb. I would lean more towards FWS overall but don't let this conclude and dismiss anything.

aside from support applciations, the sig weapon is significant for using the valk as a dps (30-40% damage loss usually compared to next best alternative)

however dps use cases for a valk are most numerous in their debut patch and become more niche afterwards

but i digress. Sorry please continue

[subtle swift]

Didn't expect a huge text, thanks for these advices!

[elfin parrot]

let us know if you need further elaboration or any other help~

[subtle swift]

I need to catch up to the short therms of the new valks... but who I invested totally has all their equipments, I will edit this message brb so I can understand better the supports you meant

[pale musk]

Which is a better support for DK Luna: cny Mei or fws?

[elfin parrot]

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[night parcel]

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[elfin parrot]

i think mei but maybe try both (edit: separately. i assume fdd in other slot)

[craggy ivy]

Boop

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wK8vcZRCVw actually maybe just look at this. If you're not in RL then use it as a means to consider other options to try out but not for actual firm data.

@craggy ivy too

[craggy ivy]

Oh wait is ps

[elfin parrot]

oh wait they're all PS lol

well try taking the other valk that's not PS and putting them together lol

[subtle swift]

Gotta answer to this, I already invested in all these supports so far lol! thanks again for the advices, now I might ask again... who's better for LV DK and XDC based on my screenshot?

[pale musk]

It's Nirv, but I did find a couple sources. ty though That's why I said Mei or Kiana and not Mei, Kiana or RS or something.

[elfin parrot]

keep in mind LV ult can wipe out the hitcount shield at the end too

[craggy ivy]

Was thinking moreso first hitcount

[pale musk]

I mean I have PS

[craggy ivy]

[elfin parrot]

yeah idk what to say there. Maybe paws or horb can help a bit but not too many other options stand out otherwise

[craggy ivy]

I'll see what I can find through bili tmr but everyone seems to have ps

Just lv for hitcount felt a bit miserable, need 2 chainsaws

[elfin parrot]

i can't test right now but i'm not even sure if that first 50 or so hits are even from PS

i think even lv entering frenzy wipes out 45 hits too

[craggy ivy]

Thinkge

[pale musk]

HoRB would be good for type counter, but nobody is using her in the refs I've found; only LV/PS and either Kiana or mei.

[elfin parrot]

resolve is the entering frenzy move https://i.imgur.com/lHomDuQ.png

but i also don't completely trust this text because

[craggy ivy]

Is that final hit?

Because that doesn't sound right

[elfin parrot]

idk

[craggy ivy]

Oh entering

[elfin parrot]

idk if resolve itself has multiple hits

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/fzg1bgp.png

english has a mistranslation here and used mei's skill names (astral ring section center node towards the bottom) (I have tested personally that Mei's skill does NOT actually do this for luna lead)

but i can at least confirm i've seen one bili ref that fireworks away the final hitcount

[elfin parrot]

supports barely do damage directly so that's not really a reason

if it was LoA then maybe you can consider this more or in fringe situations but overall not a primary reason

the main reason to consider horb is if you have enough damage and need to prioritize her faster animations or maybe if you have horb +3 where her weapon synergy compensates her supporting ability? i'm not entirely sure on the latter

[elfin parrot]

(e.g. vita for SD mob boss stage where you shift her in for bio zombies)

ok i gotta go for now. sorry i couldn't help entirely but gl

[last hull]

In the off chance I somehow get FDD from Carnival supply for free, how do I build and gear her? I assume it's not worth backpulling for her gear, so just farm her stig set over time aand be done with it?

[pale musk]

I already have the units in the upcoming Carnival Supply, Helia is S2 but everyone else is just S. Who should I use my free tickets on?

[round arch]

it should be obvious

coralie

[crude cloak]

VBm's hammer (if you aren't using her) + sig stigs

[last hull]

They problem is I don't have HFI so I think VBm would have to keep her hammer

[crude cloak]

Well, on Vita DPS cycles you can use the default hammer ig

She doesn't contribute a lot of personal damage there

[last hull]

Oh is not having her signature hammer not that big of a deal for Vita support?

[crude cloak]

It should be manageable in RL

In Nirv you're obviously cooked

[obtuse lintel]

It worked

[scenic trellis]

is this my best option i dont have fdd?

[half hatch]

nah LV is GoI so she wants supporst with the symbioses tag, PS is quite nice for the HC this cycle
https://youtu.be/9wK8vcZRCVw?si=p5paAn1C8Ja8TaMN

[scenic trellis]

chenxue needs SS here to be better then SSS ds?

or should i use my S chenxue

[half hatch]

nah S chenxue is better

[scenic trellis]

ok thanks

[steady osprey]

does this mean i play very less story

[scenic trellis]

damn the luna mei ps team actually looks smooth af

[steady osprey]

actually xdc give ps a huge dmg boost
my ps ult 700k with hle, 800k with fdd and 1000k with xdc (on tribunal)

[scenic trellis]

where do u see that?

[steady osprey]

hoyolab event yearly summary + box sharing

[scenic trellis]

damn love the way they working on p2 valks

that instead of nerfing every old one

they buff it with new valks

[quaint saffron]

hello hello, i just want to understand,
how did Luna removed 45 hit point from the shield on the start? from 93 to 48?
on what part of Luna's kit is this?
i tried reading the astral ring portion, but i can't find it- XD

[rigid cedar]

it's on her weapon

like everything else that's her new ultimate

[quaint saffron]

ahhh- it's on the weap- welp- XD
i read only the astral ring-
thanks thanks. ~

[obtuse lintel]

damn

[quaint saffron]

where are you looking? /jk 😆 ~

[obtuse lintel]

[faint lichen]

Heloo, when will Elysia Love elf rerun?

[craggy plume]

Check pins

[gray cloak]

guys i got xentinel on a random pull,what does she do?

[last hull]

Physical GoI dps

Can support GoI LoA and WS

[plucky gust]

for bleed weathers, luna p2 supports are? S coralie and sushang?

[gray cloak]

didnt understand a single word but ok

[scenic trellis]

those are the ring types

that every p2 valk have

each valk supports a different type of rings usally u make a team with the same ring valks

[gray cloak]

oh yeah those,never understood them anyway

[last hull]

That works, keep in mind tho you aren't required to use Cora

There are a LOT of options you have for a 3rd member

[plucky gust]

Basically:

• She's a Grail of Infinitude unit, a group of units where when they are the leader, they have a mechanic where the team will share one big SP bar instead of individual SP bars; the more SP you spend during the AR duration, the more damage they deal as finishers
• she has Domain Resonance and Heavenly shift rings; meaning if you play the following units as leader, she can be slotted in as support (2nd/3rd slot)

[gray cloak]

good thing i pulled for sparkle (im a hsr player so i wanted her but ended up never using her in any teams),now i can use her 😄

[plucky gust]

for the non-boss fights, i realized that there's tons of bio on bleed whethers, so xentinel feels good

i just realized, xentinel has world star tag. . . what is this? 2023 world star meta resurgance?

[gray cloak]

might wanna get badum since ive seen she will rerun i think

[plucky gust]

backpulling on this game is not really recommended. reason: powercreep is insane, its better to just pull what's the latest one, and somehow get the old units via BP/spending event/shop somewhere

[gray cloak]

powercreep is that bad here? im not worried about doing everything until the hardest endgame

[plucky gust]

the powercreep itself is. but in practice, its not that much, here's the reason:

• longer patch duration: you can save more compared to other games. if you spend like monthly + BP, you can guarantee basically the new unit plus their weapon 100%. ngl this part is a huge win for light spenders.
• longer shelf-life: part 2 units are surprisingly usable for extended duration, simply because they are both a DPS and a support at the same time.

the problem:

• if you missed a unit, your roster immediately sucks because of how each p2 unit can contribute to the team.
• if a p1 unit gets a p2 upgrade, then it kinda sucks because i think they don't release p1 banners anymore, so you're gonna farm for them, if they're even farmable at all.

if this is a PVE game, there's no problem missing one or two units, but the endgame is PVP. so yea.

[gray cloak]

that mech valk in the print is helia (the a rank that is everywhere) right?

[plucky gust]

yes.

[gray cloak]

oh then i dont need to pull for badum,since i have her,sparkle,and xentinel

im able to make a full team

[plucky gust]

that's all of your p2 units?

[gray cloak]

i also have both coralies

bfd with sig

[quaint saffron]

Just a question, after Luna activated the final act for her SO (her SO ult),
does she return the SP before the astral ring is activated?
or is it a general feature of GoI teams?

[plucky gust]

general feature of GoI teams.

[quaint saffron]

ohh-
i didn't know that- welp- XD
thanks thanks-
thought it is luna giving the SP back. 😆 ~

[plucky gust]

iirc, the remaining unused SP during AR cycle is divided into 3? or something

[last hull]

Meh, your roster sucking only really applies if your goal is to maintain Nirvana

If you are missing several units, then sure you have a point

But for 95% of people, missing one or two BiSs is usually not an issue, there usually are two or three characters that can fill the role just fine with minimal impact to score

[gray cloak]

aint no way they literally got genshin's tcg,made it easy to understand and made it a event

[half hatch]

Luna specifically also always goes back to 150 SP if you had 3 Faces of Infinitude when you cast her SO finisher

[half hatch]

It's just how much they had before SO

[visual quest]

question is LV best affix atk or lightning dmg

[half hatch]

Atk, if you have a good lightning DMG affix it's still decent though

[visual quest]

what's considered good? altho if atk is def better dont think it matters

[half hatch]

The diff is not that big,I would say if you get a 3 diamond with like a halfway bar that's already a decent enough affix to maybe focus on other stigs first
https://youtu.be/K8SDcbEF2aI?is=m3jcBQ9E0KvcKCxl

[wet folio]

which open world should i do first?

[rigid cedar]

apho 1 and 2

adventure tasks from there provide you with overall better rewards compared to sakura samsara and schicksal hq

[wet folio]

do i have to do both at the same time? 💀

[last hull]

@elfin parrot I was mostly uunga buunga-ing but I guess this is ok?

Lantern Sena Eepy

[elfin parrot]

idk. I gotta see the fight to make sure you're setting up buffs, attacking right, and optimizing (removing actions you don't need, adjusting if necessary)

but i mean it's sinful so i'm not expecting much from your competition either

[last hull]

Ok fair, I was kinda doing whatever so it could probably be a lot higher

[formal wigeon]

I feel like 100+ points are just waiting for the boss to do his things

[mortal jetty]

Yeah you are wasting like 50 points in transition because mf robots are doing weird Black magic for no reason

[last hull]

@elfin parrot Here is the run, idk I was just doing random shit I could probably get like +60 or smth

I really suck at the transitions, I actually never fought this boss, I quit right before Luna patch so idrk how to maximize it

[elfin parrot]

did you watch any lantern reference fights before this?

obviously not for this boss

but of any kind

like the video i sent you earlier

transitions aren't something to generalize. They're all different. The idea is there's some minigame or something different from the fight going on. There might be side objective you can fulfill for some kind of benefit afterward but these may not always be relevant to a good run. Otherwise You can use the transition time to prepare something

in this case using it to cast theresa's stellar drain to get outburst ready for phase 2 is fair

making her ult to sleep doesn't really do anything though. I guess the puppets can provide some fringe chip damage

[last hull]

Fuck I forgot, I watched like the first 3 minutes and then got up to do some other stuff around the house

[elfin parrot]

anyway at the start of the fight, attack > weapon swap with lantern preemptively to get her hanging flame buff going

and maybe look up some fights on how they use lantern to handle hitcount shields against the mobs in p1? Tbh i'm not even sure if you need to care about them

the justice meter in the fight is more for melee damage or something but lantern isn't melee

EDIT: https://i.imgur.com/tq7WCVX.png hm maybe i was wrong about this

[last rapids]

sairaan do we have any kind of gold witch orbs efficiency guide? as in what's best to buy in treasury in case there is nothing to farm

[last hull]

Euphie?

[last rapids]

yes

[last hull]

Waow ancient dalao still around to grace us with his presence and knowledge 🛐

[elfin parrot]

i remember looking into this a while ago and figuring most things are the same value?

Obviously the first LE and KMB frag is best.

I know i tried looking into AW+AL valk before but idr if i looked into AL only valks. I think in the end i was too occupied using AL for other actual projects and didn't form any real conclusions

but anyway sorry i have no actual reference to link to atm

[last rapids]

rip

[last hull]

Yea I just remember it being a damage bonus

[last rapids]

i never bothered to care either, the 25 frags units end up giving same value as the 15 units

but just in case since i just le and fr with excess and call it a day, havent looked into al at all either

well thanks anyway, if you find something and somehow were to remember i asked please do tell, no pressure though

[formal wigeon]

iirc it's all the same yeah

[elfin parrot]

maybe i'll reinvestigate it later lol. I prob don't care if i go slightly inefficient on something https://i.imgur.com/yX7hqa5.png

[formal wigeon]

the price ratio for awakened vs normal is the same as the conversion ratio into orbs

outside the 2 discounted ones

[elfin parrot]

the other thing we prob already know already but haven't said yet is that the actual value of PWO is like half raw efficiency. But ofc the value of PWO shop stuff is the exclusivity/extra source when needed

[last rapids]

i prob need to sss kmb already lol

[elfin parrot]

yeah i was surprised when you said FR earlier lol

[last rapids]

1 frag cheaper build up is hardly effective considering the cost of actually getting to sss first

[elfin parrot]

it's kind of awkward-yeah

back then we had actual reasons to SSS her

[last rapids]

fr is same price as le without that 1 discount on the 1st frag

[elfin parrot]

most things are really

[last rapids]

yeah i wasnt playing at the time

[elfin parrot]

ah i see

i buy out the teris from time to time for shets and gigs too https://i.imgur.com/gSXKR97.png

[last rapids]

i started the game when she was already obsolete, literally only on doom

[elfin parrot]

ah wow. For some reason i thought of you as much earlier

[last rapids]

i started on hs patch

theres people with double my login days almost

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/W25pmQj.png so when lantern swapped back in on p2, i rather you start outburst immediately since sena buff is already gone here. You prob would've overkilled just fine.

Sena ult and teri waking up with lantern qte prob aren't doing as much by comparison while wasting precious time.

[last hull]

Gotcha

[elfin parrot]

transition could've been better. The idea is to go behind each robot line and attack them to wipe them out. Clearing them increases the justice meter

but ofc attacking them from the front can be valid for certain purposes such as registering a hit for teri's stellar drain

[last hull]

OH so that's what you wanna do

[formal wigeon]

how many are you at now ?

[last hull]

Idk whenever I saw clips of it I just saw random bullshit go so I was just doing the same 😭

[last rapids]

i think i hit 1800 last month

[formal wigeon]

damn you passed me recently then

I'm at 1716

[last rapids]

and you quit entirey of p2

so old

[formal wigeon]

almost ye

[elfin parrot]

also your ult timings feel a bit weird.

For p1 once all buffs are active (sena+teri are both passive. Lantern hanging flame is more active) you can just use it. I guess it doesn't matter too much if you're only going to get one ult for that phase. Using it while the mobs are still active is prob best since it knocks a chunk of hitcount. Ult generally cancels other actions very well too so you can use it to microoptimize and remove an attack's bad endlag/late animation that isn't desired (after shotgun's first two blasts from the first input for example)

If you're about to outburst (like in p2), keep in mind some of your buff effects are only in outburst. So ult during outburst to maximize it. (i think lantern has further mechanics with that ult depending on the CAs you do but idr atm)

maybe you can wipe out the mobs before lantern's first CA in p1

[last hull]

I thought u always wanted to combo > ult

Understandable, will change

[elfin parrot]

not really. It's kinda nice since combo puts you in the air and ult puts you back on the ground i guess. Also the way CA builds up for enhancing ult damage in outburst iirc

but otherwise the two are separate things. Some fights may opt to delay lantern's ult while other fights may spam it off CD. It depends entirely how long the fight will be and how much you can squeeze in.

[last hull]

Ok that makes sense

[elfin parrot]

something i'm not sure of is maybe it would be viable to swap to teri at the start, and have her QTE lantern in. QTE'ing in lantern does some nice damage and hits while also filling her CA bar

[last hull]

I did that actually and I got 851 but I wasn't sure if it was the right thing to be doing

[elfin parrot]

you kinda did it for p2 but again you had sena buff so i would rather just stay on lantern and outburst there

hm ok well ultimately concepts get weirder at lower tiers when damage is plentiful and animations/speed is what's more gated

i think that's enough vomiting ideas for now. See what you can cook up with it. Check references too (e.g. whale fire kosma weathers and see how lantern attacks to take out 100 hits)

sorry if i was kinda all over the place across the three phases of the fight here. you kinda caught me while i was in the middle of something lol

if you have trouble understanding certain things or digging up skill descriptions let us know too

[last hull]

No it's all good it's just whatever you happen to think of at the moment you make sure to say first while u have it fresh in ur mind

[elfin parrot]

and yeah most references are doing alot more than just building up justice. Sometimes even some justice gets given up for other objectives.

For this cycle, people seem to be rotating as much as possible to build up PS sushang's SP for example.

In older cycles people were using CE to attack the front because CE needs to hit something to build up her own meter. Having her own meter lets her weapon active > ult for her team effects.

LV QTE in p1 needs to hit and latch on to something too, and completing it lets her access her CA to grant 15 team sp.

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbD9r2jmqA4

this is not going to translate perfectly against the multi target mobs (the weapon swap into smg specifically is single target. idk if the shot guns are piercing either)

but maybe you can take notes of this

[last hull]

Erik

[elfin parrot]

you were kinda already doing it but mainly make use of the evades

[last hull]

Yea I need to actually time the ult evades

[elfin parrot]

generally you get two evades before it goes on soft cooldown so you can put another action in between them

i'm focusing really hard on the mob hitcount but tbh with how weak everything here is, it's possible this is a distractor and it's better to ignore it and go straight for the boss

[junior cave]

How long would it take to 3 star 14 of these?
It's been awhile since I did em and don't remember what they even are lol.

[delicate raven]

Like less that 5-6 min for each character aprox

[junior cave]

Do I need any sort of competence with the characters, or builds?

[half hatch]

You can just use the trial valks and only need to have an idea of how to play them, there is a YouTube playlist linked in the ER signet guide Faq in the pins which includes all characters in there, just check out the link at the bottom

[delicate raven]

Just check the "Ely" signets show before you enter so get an idea of what to do, for xdc iirc the build is for AR so "AR, ult, charge x3, repeat" I could be wrong, I did it on release

[junior cave]

I see.

Will it be fine if their enhancement lvl is 1?

[half hatch]

You want to level them between each level but for the first one yeah

[junior cave]

Ah ok

Wasn't sure if this was meant to level them for the actual ER, or not.

[half hatch]

It kinda just works as a small introduction on how to play the character in ER, though most of the time valks have 2 builds so you don't really get to experience all of them

[junior cave]

Seems the website is not updated for the new character, will that be updated soon™?
I can work on other characters in the meantime.

[half hatch]

I have no idea tbh, shouldn't really be too relevant for shallow sequence though since you're already provided with an example build

[chilly flare]

what ego signet priority for xentinel? i don’t see her in the er guide

[half hatch]

the ER guide didn't update yet but you can try those

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0FAOA9SEjU
https://youtu.be/abZxvWNMxK4?si=y2HeCuHXE4AP8IET

[junior cave]

I guess I'll look up the guides for it.

[last hull]

@elfin parrot Last ping I think 💀

Im prolly still not optimizing weapon switching or evade weaving, but Im gonna assume 860 is the max for now cause malding transition or exact inputs for +5 score in Sinful2 feels a bit much lmao

Lmk if smth is like glaringly wrong tho, and thank you for all of your generous help

[half hatch]

You can also try to read the ego signets they give you for that valk and understand it that way

[chilly flare]

i see thank you very much

[half hatch]

For the new mei it's really just enter SO,
ult -> CA x 3 and repeat

[junior cave]

Is thre any efficient way to bring Valks to lv15, or just run through highest diff ER you can until max lv?

[half hatch]

Use the lite feature and defeat the first boss on the highest difficulty you can, wait for the progress saved message, quit and repeat

[elfin parrot]

i don't think there's too much more i can ask for majorly speaking lol

• again lantern at start should attack > weapon active for hanging flame effect (can see this above the hp bar too but maybe only for lantern on field)

• maybe try teri with hotr stigs (if so, use teri's weapon active at start to start it. has its own buff icon)

• maybe wait for the mobs to land before QTEing lantern in so the QTE hits them too

• maybe you can try ult between double evades in p1, and maybe keep the CA for later when the hitcounts are done??? very strange to think about

• maybe you can try using a phantom during out burst in p2. Triggering this starts rondo of shadows, which enhances lantern's attacking, generally via meter gain and also causing more phantoms to attack as you attack. the latter might help with the hit shield. But overall it's entirely possible this isn't worth and i would've suggested the way you just did if you had done it that way. In other words I would want both ways tested to make sure lol

but these are all just maybes and nitpicks. Mainly just to get you thinking for future scenarios.

oh crap i was thinking of the wrong term this whole time

hanging flame is the 3pc effect

https://i.imgur.com/LF2Lbin.png

[last hull]

It's like Blazing smth idr

oop nvm

[elfin parrot]

i think this is what i wanted from the initial weapon active

tbh i don't understand it entirely well (8s is not much) but most refs do end up doing this

[fleet flame]

Can I run this on Mei until I get her sig?

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UpklVN5Pz8 sure but please make sure to get her sig before it goes away

[last hull]

Hmmmmmm

I could try this but Im kind of tired now so unless Im really bored I think imma just call it a day

[elfin parrot]

just keep it in mind for future lantern uses you stumble across really

but yeah watch actual lantern refs. you'll see it all the time since stellar drains from other valks can make lantern swap back in quickly https://i.imgur.com/pY4Ai1H.png (basic attack section. QTE skill)

[fleet flame]

I’m trying 😭 hopefully I get it early cause if not I’m gonna need another 45 pulls 😭

[elfin parrot]

!faq crystals

[night parcel]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

review through these. esp the second link (missables, time sensitive)

but also in the future when your account is more developed, ideally you ensure you can guarantee both before rolling at the start of the patch to not miss out on any abyss cycles emphasizing mei (or whatever the new release is) dps

[fleet flame]

Yea😭 I didn’t play much last patch so I didn’t have much saved and ended up missing that free Luna too

[elfin parrot]

well for now focus on what you can do and accomplish going forward. Definitely do what you can to not miss the mei weapon now that you already have the valk. Feel free to ask for any other help too

[last hull]

Speaking of one time crystal rewards

[elfin parrot]

technically luna valk is available with a paid bundle ongoing atm but this isn't worth the cost

and luna will become more available as time goes on possibly

[last hull]

Is it still a viable option to do the Floor8 LITE strat if some of these characters are super old or have no gear?

Or should I just try and mald shallow sequence

[elfin parrot]

personal preference at that point. i would do lite and quit

some people may even do low difficulty lite > complete runs

[last hull]

True that would probably be faster

[elfin parrot]

but yes it's all viable. Figure out what you tolerate best too even if it may cost more time (shallow might be too many mind numbing runs for instance)

or you can mass spam something while multitasking something else

[fleet flame]

So basically I need to do story 😭 😭

A shit ton of it

[vernal terrace]

Doing part 1 story gives a lot

[fleet flame]

But it’s also just cancer

[elfin parrot]

you're only looking at the first link if you're giving me that sort of answer. Keep in mind story crystals are permanent and not something that will be missed (aside from latest story which are treated as events when added)

[formal wigeon]

Lite on the highest diff you can, clear 1 stage, quit and repeat (need to clear 1 manually for it to count)

[elfin parrot]

don't make prioritizing story cause you to miss out on other crystals that are time limited

if you hate it you can always put it off for a rainy day or tolerate it in bits and pieces

[junior cave]

I keep forgetting to click the LITE button, I hit start and kept goin' through all the floors manually

[elfin parrot]

but ofc in many cases it becomes emphasized because you're pushing urgently for a banner expiring and have no other sources to get crystals

[junior cave]

Stage 1 being the boss on floor 7?

[half hatch]

Yes

[junior cave]

Also you can't use trial character for actual ER runs right?
Cuz most my unlocked characters are P1 units with no gear lol.

[elfin parrot]

yeah you cannot

but even at barebone gear you can prob at least handle a low difficulty to just level them up

if you need to clear inferno (a major jump from shroud) to unlock entries in the shop then maybe we should talk more

but most of those rewards aren't relevant to the meta nowadays

[half hatch]

Tbh you can kinda just slam any atk stick onto them and do the lite start on difficulty 1,25x or smth, shallow sequence doesn't really give a lot of xp beyond the first clear

[junior cave]

I usually did I think the third hardest diff for my weekly clears.

[elfin parrot]

weekly deep seq runs for the 500 crystals can be done by anybody. Level up for specific valks are separate

so basically stick with your best clear option for the weekly crystals

[junior cave]

Tryin' to tackle all this for the pulls to get the new unit's weapon.
Took all I had just to get her like 5 pulls from pity.

[elfin parrot]

yeah going near to full guarantee is very realistic in this game

[junior cave]

Trade off for no 50/50 bs.

[elfin parrot]

but there's no 50/50 and income proportions can match with it every 2 patches at worst

yup yup

[junior cave]

Also very quick rerun opportunities.

[elfin parrot]

that's true too but also very debatable to go for at that point unless you're already committed in some way

missing 4 or so dps scenarios from their debut patch when they rerun is a bit painful or still small in the grand scheme of things depending on who you ask

but here we try to make players get 100% mileage of their crystals so reruns are more of a nono

[fleet flame]

Ok then after looking at the second link, I should do active events rn and endgame stuff +pt2 story if needed?

[elfin parrot]

basically any time limited stuff first > then do non time limited stuff ideally

so yeah

there's alot of sources. some major and some minor (maybe you don't want to bother with the armada and it only gives 25 crystals a week anyway. Arguably this adds up but maybe you just cba)

and some sources can take way too much time than it's worth (events can take a long time and even if it gives 500 or so, that's still less than 2 rolls)

so you can decide your own balance from there

[junior cave]

True, but sometimes ya just run out of pulls, ya know

[elfin parrot]

yeah. From a pure pull priority standpoint you ideally get all that you can

but this is also a game and it should be fun

and people burn themselves out trying to take the game in full esp with other games too

or some people are busier than others

there can be some bad decisions depending on what viewpoint you take, but i don't think any decision is necessarily wrong as long as you informed yourself enough

[junior cave]

At least there is only ER and the Arena thing for endgame.
And not a bunch of em like the other hoyo titles.

And ER can arguable be considered fun, compararively.

[elfin parrot]

you can simplify it that way (don't forget abyss too which is the most major)

but there's still alot of tinier sources that unfamilliar players may miss

[junior cave]

Which is Abyss

[elfin parrot]

calling abyss tiny is... are you in lower tiers or something? lol

[junior cave]

Maybe I got the mode names confused

The one with Duradel on it

[elfin parrot]

ok so abyss at RL (main goal we stress) can be 500 crystals a cycle, or 1000 a week

yeah

that's abyss

[junior cave]

Oh

[elfin parrot]

MA a week is just 140

ER is 500

dailies across the week is 280 in total

i can go on and on but i'm parroting the link at that point

tldr, regular income assuming no events at RL abyss is like 2k a week

[fleet flame]

I guess for now I’ll do events and then do some story if I have nothing else till more events release

[junior cave]

I gotta try to get better at doin' those.
But sometimes daily reset messes with me.
Because I picked EU server to add my friend who plays, but am in NA lol.

[fleet flame]

Thank you for the help!

[elfin parrot]

try to especially take care of abyss and ER as we've been saying

[elfin parrot]

aaah yeah i can imagine how disorientating that can be lol

[fleet flame]

Yeah I’ve done those Alr lol

[elfin parrot]

i've been stressing that more and more lately but i feel some of us don't stress it when suggesting it as an alt account option

[fleet flame]

Well for the week, I can still do more of the ER story

[elfin parrot]

i think that can come at any time too so your call there

basically as long as no crystals are being missed, and you're having fun with the game then it's all fine

[junior cave]

Hopefully I can get the characters weapon in time lol.
Not that I have a team I can use her in probably lol

[fleet flame]

Same, good luck getting it

[elfin parrot]

p2 teams have to start somewhere. it's awkward at first but it snowballs after 3 or so valks hopefully

[junior cave]

Need 58 pulls, I got 6 tickets and 1k gems rn.

But like 10k gems in ER stuff.

[fleet flame]

Oh can new Mei work with paws and newer ely?

[elfin parrot]

yes she can. Do you understand why?

warning this is a bit of a elonged explanation but it's very foundational that you understand it

[fleet flame]

I know she has a buff when being with elysia but other than that idk 😭

[junior cave]

The star wheel thing I assume

[elfin parrot]

well yeah but that's not quite it

yeah astral ring

!faq ring

[night parcel]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Characters under the Astral Ring System will have one ring type (Specialization), and one or multiple tags (Attributes) that will determine how they can form teams. This system is only activated if a Character with Astral Ring is set as the leader. When activated:

• the leader's ring type will decide the team's playstyle.
• the team will benefit from effects (e.g., Stigmata buffs) that require Astral Ring.
• the team will gain access to Stellar Outburst, a high damage output state you can enter after charging enough energy (Astral Ring Intensity).

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[fleet flame]

That too lol

[elfin parrot]

i know this is alot but try to read through this. Central passage > last link for team building process

---

short answer

Mei is Grail of Infinitude ring type. This ring type when in the leader slot (dps) matches with symbiosis tag.

PAWS and HLE have those Symbiosis tags.

every ring type matches with a specific tag.

all valks now can operate as dps or support

they all have one ring type (one way to dps)
but can have multiple tags (multiple teams they can support)

that's the cliffnotes version. Hope it gives an easier idea as you dive into the above

[fleet flame]

Ty for that

Definitely helped me understand a bit more

[elfin parrot]

one more tidbit i can add is that when a valk is acting as support, in most cases (not all astral ring valks) their main supporting effect is from the early part of their 3pc stigmata effect

[autumn heron]

Whats the baseline to get skins for xtals?

[elfin parrot]

depends on the skin since there can be different methods to them

for the upcoming elysia skin i think that's pyramid?

!faq pyramid

[night parcel]

Gacha Outfits

Be careful, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's summary [here](#👶beginner-help message) Regarding Gacha (Pyramid) outfits.

Gacha (Pyramid) Outfits

• DO NOT PULL UNLESS YOU CAN HARD PITY. NON-NEGOTIABLE.
  • You need 9600 or 7680 if there is a discount.
• No competitive benefit.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[autumn heron]

Nope, the Badum Kiana one, I don't have the new Ely

[elfin parrot]

still pyramid

i don't think there will be a discount but i don't actually know. usually discounts don't happen unless it's a very old skin

[autumn heron]

I'm at 2k, Is it possible to get 9,600 before then?

[elfin parrot]

!faq crystals

[night parcel]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

obviously i'm not going to know what you have left still to get

[autumn heron]

I did Abyss and ER already

[stiff anvil]

which one do i prio? lv gears or fdd gears?

[elfin parrot]

Gears as in weapons? keep in mind at worst stigs are craftable now

[crude cloak]

Do you mean pulling or upgrading

If upgrading then FDD's imo

We'll have a lot of stuff that wants FDD but not much for LV

[elfin parrot]

What teammate said stands in terms of upgrading.

if you mean pulling (spending crystals), i definitely don't recommend FDD's weapon in general at this point. I go into fine detail here #👶beginner-help message

pulling for LV's weapon is more debatable and depends on what you already have. #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message

[stiff anvil]

pulling actually

i initially wanted to pull lv's weapon because i dont have other good valks as bleed dps

i thought about pulling fdd's weapon because i use her a lot

although im f2p so

[stiff anvil]

this is what i have. most of them are not 4/4 except XDC, HLE, TFM

[elfin parrot]

what does not 4/4 mean? new prism stigs are craftable nowadays at worst so i assume no weapon?

Metawise, try to save up enough and plan to ensure getting both valk and weapons in the future. For anything already here without their weapon, cut your losses and use them more as supports in the meantime. Very similar logic to what i sent earlier about FDD.

your account looks more underdeveloped overall but you already have enough symbiosis and heavenly shift tagged supports to use. I don't feel LV offers anything broad enough to be worth considering.

Perhaps the bleed aspect appeals to you and I do understand specific bleed scenarios like vill-v can gate you very badly from not having it. However, these situations are not common (maybe more in the near future but prob won't be after a while) and you're not expected to cover everything. It's fine to accept a few losses in the grand scheme of things for meta efficiency overall.

Even if you get LV, your LV is still at s.0? There might be ways like supply shop to get some ranks but overall your LV is behind meta standards and will struggle more against veteran LVs that are higher ranked. For low tiers of abyss this isn't as much of a concern though (agony 3 and below?).

---

if you're a light spender and really want to eventually high leaderboards

or if you just really like LV out of personal sentiment/really want to make sure you can do something against vill-v boss

then maybe consider it more

but overall i think lv weapon is very fine for you to skip

[stiff anvil]

yes i meant no weapon. although stigs are craftable, I'm also lacking of materials so thats gonna take some time

yes I'm in agony 1 sadly I'm not very competitive for abyss but i do wanna stay comfortably in agony.

i do like LV as a character and also her playstyle which is also why im considering more

thank you for the insights really appreciate it

[elfin parrot]

meta doesn't have to be everything esp when you're more concerned with staying in agony (although i will say even agony 1 2 and 3 has its differences) rather than what we generally recommend that is Redlotus

i do think your personal considerations are important as well. See if you can curb your wanting of playing lv with her tutorial though, which will always be there

but otherwise if you just want to play her in various contents and don't mind the possible setbacks i described, feel free to continue considering her

!faq prisms

[night parcel]

Source Prism

Hi, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for more information about Prisms such as their sources!

Source Prisms are a very limited resource, so please be very careful not to waste them. They are used to upgrade and craft Part 2 Stigmata (all Part 2 Stigmata are forgeable).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[elfin parrot]

maybe this can help with making p2 stigs but do prioritize appropriately for new releases

[stiff anvil]

maybe in the long run i can be in redlotus (one can dream). i have 10 tickets to use as of now so i can try my luck with that on her weapon

[elfin parrot]

give things some thought but i do think i've given enough info for you to make your own decisions, meta or not

bad meta decisions are still ok as long as you are fully informed and know the not-so-meta fun you want from the game

although if you want another consideration, we are in the process of getting new info from #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

maybe see if you can wait a few days for news in case anything new catches your attention more

we are in an luna dps abyss cycle currently though. So maybe decide before this abyss ends

but one cycle is small in the grand scheme of things too

sorry if this is sounding very back and forth but it is important you consider as many perspectives as possible to find your own

[stiff anvil]

no worries i do understand your points. and youre right i shall wait for more info before i pull

[last hull]

How does the new event work, I admittedly skipped thru the tutorial a few days ago because I wasnt ready to start it yet

[neon narwhal]

all the different stages walk you through the playstyle of each deck but mainly, survive rounds and accumulate sp to upgrade your units to advanced version and aim to take down enemy units fast

there's the main damage dealer then the 2 support units that qte in and/or provide passive buffs/card draws/damage

mei deck is focused on bursting them down after mei upgrade, bronya qte is to draw extra cards/set up no evade barrier while kiana is extra damage/suit upgrade card summon

dudu DA deck is ult focused
sushang deck is bleed
dudu BKE deck is counterattack during enemy turns
seele deck is qte spam

attacking with basic attacks gives 1 sp so you can work that around when planning combos

unironically just get a hang of mei deck and the daily pvp will be easy

[vernal terrace]

I like the qte spam one

[last hull]

Ok this all seems simple enough, tysm

Man Im starting to get quite a bit stressed

Farming crystals from scratch for a new characters is really tedious

I have 24 characters in ER that I need to max, I have 6 Voyage Log stories, I have an unknown amount of P2 main story, I have Fu Hua Phosphorous story, I have P2 OW, I have MA

[dapper roost]

the counter deck of the card game is so toxic

[neon narwhal]

ngl can be hard countered with forced switch, the problem is drawing it

that or going 1 turn all in cause max counter stacks is 4 (2 per bke skill cast)

[crude cloak]

Looks like it'll be my favorite one

(whenever I get to it that is)

[red crane]

Starfall

[finite barn]

Is the fancy art cards for the event just random? I wanna collect them all...

I could only find the craft button for cards I already own is it just not possible to craft new stuff

[dusky mantle]

the funny part is the counter mirror match

turns into a 20 minute slugfest

especially with prophetic dreams

[twilit garden]

Is this… a viable team..

[dusky mantle]

where are the sig weapons lol

[twilit garden]

I got non

[hearty yacht]

At least try to get mei's weapon

[twilit garden]

Alright that may be possible but is this team good atleast?

[cunning gull]

well aside with the gear situation, do u have other p2 valks? or stellar key valks?

[hearty yacht]

Half and half, for a beginner team its amazing, lack of sigs on supports are ignorable for the meantime

However vita cant properly support this team since she lacks the goi tag, as an roo unit her supportive utility here is limited

Also you are missing vita's stigmatas which contain a lot of buffs

[twilit garden]

These are my chars pretty much

[hearty yacht]

Thats the best you can do then

Which is good enough

[twilit garden]

Its craftable right?

[open bone]

And also even if you're using cope stigs on Vita I would be using Ogier B and Theresa gluttony T or smth over edison

edison is just self damage

which is shit as a wepless support

[cunning gull]

hm yeah thats the best u have for mei
vbm doesnt have sig set btw?

[hearty yacht]

All p2 stigmata are craftable yes

[open bone]

but yeah craftable vita stigs better

[hearty yacht]

Basically pull mei weapon, get vita stigs, team should buff itself out a bit and be more viable competitively

[open bone]

if senadina has weapon you can give it to vita as well

when you're using her in abyss

better than nothing

[twilit garden]

I gave her the craftable one but i guess ill do that

i need to do alot damn

[cunning gull]

main thing is farm for mei sig tbh

weap that is

i dont assume you have a lot of resources rn

[twilit garden]

im broke but im close to pity on the wep banner

[cunning gull]

but down the line get vita's stig so shes more useful

[cunning gull]

use event and one time crystal sources (story, elysian realm, etc) to help you out

u should be able to get it

[twilit garden]

Ill farm EVEYRTHING then after that ill get vita’s stig

Tysm for the tips

Also is there a way to get the prisms other than memorial arena?

[cunning gull]

mainly that and past permanent events

but it gives a little

[twilit garden]

[cunning gull]

if you have copies of p2 stigmatas that you dont need then you can use it to get prisms

also the p2 stigmata boxes if not needed for something

but i wont rush vita rn

[twilit garden]

hm hm

ty ty

[cunning gull]

aside from prisms you need coins, etc to level the stigmatas and you need some resouces for mei weap so yeah

[twilit garden]

It’ll work out anyway, thanks for the help

[jagged matrix]

hello!! i’m a returnee player and just got the new mei, plus on the returnee banner i somehow got the “Schicksal's Imperative” with the free pulls
any help with teams i can do for the new mei, maybe the new theresa too? i am horrible at following guides

[craggy plume]

XDC, PS, VBm is probably the best thing right now.
For XDC you want supports to preferably have the symbiosis tag and if not you can use Rite of oblivion valks as cope options.
For SImp, who is who I am guessing you mean with new Theresa.
She is World Star so wants supports with Domain Resonance so your best option is probably TFM:C,DA:F.

For Abbreviations check the #👶beginner-help pinned glossary.

@jagged matrix

[jagged matrix]

thank you!!

[sweet nymph]

Can somebody send Mei er guide and is stellar mode or normal mode better for it

[rigid cedar]

check the 3rd pin in this channel

[sweet nymph]

Can someone give codes

[boreal eagle]

what codes

[crimson badge]

Yo returnee player here too; is this a solid pt2 roster - planning on returning full time was wondering if there are necessary pickups or to just pull the newest release

[half hatch]

Looks solid imo, you have 2 fully functional teams and will just expand your coverage by pulling new releases.
Your teams for now would be
Mei/badum/fdd
Badum/Mei/fdd
Do you understand why they work with each other ?

[crimson badge]

yupyup astral ring support tags iirc
might be wrong tho

[half hatch]

Yeah
Look at the leader and see what their astral ring type is
Choose supports with the corresponding support tag/attribute

[crimson badge]

sound thanks for the help dude !

[craggy plume]

||It isn't CN knowledge either, If you have seen it, it is either fake or a leak so is against the server's rules||

[crimson badge]

||ah sorry my bad heard it floating around and wanted to ask deleting now||

[craggy plume]

In general check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins for CN news if is there it is safe, else try to go back and find an official source for it,

[crimson badge]

cool will do from now on !

[whole marlin]

who is a better pull, new Mei or DK for Luna?

I have all part 2 valks except Simp, Rita and Mei, and I have SS of Luna

[open bone]

Depends on your goals

long long term it's gonna be luna for the global atk

if you have nirv ambitions

and she's cheaper

short term mei way better

Luna only has a handful of abysses and not a ton of notable support cases (paws and Ps mostly)

so in terms of direct performance she's less impactful

but a dkey is a dkey

[whole marlin]

hmm i see, btw i checked and its S2, i misremembered lol. Luna is also kinda waifu

but if she doesnt get that too much bosses thats kinda oof

[open bone]

She has bleed tribunal, lightning trib, bleed mobius, and then a bunch of PS bosses also want her but you can cope without em

what is your crystal count?

[whole marlin]

well

its 17561 now

but Im 40 pulls from pity on mei

ive been away for a patch and returned today, so i got some returnee crystals coming up too

[open bone]

Hmm. You could always go for dkey, and then if you get it early save to see if you can sneak in mei too. Or vice versa

||news out of CN is that there's probably not a valk next patch (none teased) so given this is a spending patch it's not a terrible idea to run out all your crystals here)||

[crude cloak]

Not confirmed yet

[open bone]

||We have no confirmed knowledge about any dkeys next patch.||

[whole marlin]

sorry

[open bone]

check out #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion for stuff that is confirmed

[whole marlin]

I didnt keep up that much, only see bits and pieces

[open bone]

pins should have everything we know so far

[whole marlin]

ill try a 10 pull or 2 on luna and see what i can get

otherwise go full for mei

[open bone]

gl lucksaccing both

[whole marlin]

otherwise credit card kun may have to help

[humble nebula]

Now that she's farmable, I'm curious if there is any guide out there on how worthwhile HoH ranks are with her dkey.

[spiral raven]

they r good, but unless ur in nirvana, or a sweaty rl bracket, u be fine

u have a bit more freedom in terms of how u wanna spend the resources from ma

since the stuff in there is not exactly too relevant anyhow

but probs want to buy one frag of both le and kmb each week
just cuz they r on a discount for the first frag u buy

[edgy parcel]

Someone help me I can't find my account I login on "sea sever" But there's only eu and America

[sleek imp]

wrong client, PC or mobile?

[dusky mantle]

best team for this abyss?

LV XDC FDD?

no PS btw

[open bone]

Depends on exact damage details

I’m seeing runs with any combination of PS, Badum, FDD, XDC

The performance between all of them seems quite similar and mostly depends on your exact damage

Since if you’re overkilling you want more speed and under killing you want more power

[desert hamlet]

hello guyss is it worth to get hi3 again after years? im a 2020 player but deleted after i got thelema on her first banner (shes still on lvl 1 💔 ) i highkey want the new raiden mei but is part 2 any good?

[stiff anvil]

help i closed the game when the 2 fathers were talking. i wanna watch the dialogues again but couldn’t find it anywhere. is it gone forever

[stiff anvil]

i personally love p2 and i would say its always worth it to come back if its for a character you like

[open bone]

Lore questions go in #📚honkai-lore

That said I also enjoy Hi3 part 2 and XDC is quite good

Depending on your account state and how attached you are a new account might have an easier time getting new Mei than a returnee but both should be fine

[arctic remnant]

Could anyone explain to me Xentinel’s execution mechanic against BIO targets ? does she need to be the leader? I can’t seem to trigger it

[half hatch]

If she's the leader she gains 2 stacks of unstoppable when she enters the battle, unstoppable makes it so that her first CA and second CA can execute bio mobs, her third CA always executes them. You can regain unstoppable by exiting SO and the number of unstoppable stacks you gain is equivalent to the Facets of infinitude you had in SO

At S0 you can only have up to 2 unstoppable stacks though

[lament prairie]

what are you fighting exactly that isn't being executed?

[arctic remnant]

Okay so being the leader is key thank you, I was wondering why nothing was happening

Ty for explaining it to me

[open bone]

She can do it as a support but it’s way more annoying

[half hatch]

Well her execution also works if she's not the leader on her third CA

Feel like that might come in handy with LoA

[desert hamlet]

I’m lvl 88…

[half hatch]

Since her shift is her third CA

[open bone]

Yeah but the question is how attached to it. Almost everything on your account except the thelema will be farmable by now but if you have sentimental reason to like it or a lot of rare skins or unobtainable things like Asuka you might keep it

And it’s not like you can’t unbrick it

Just that if you wanted to have Mei asap a new account could do it faster

[desert hamlet]

I do have Asuka

[open bone]

Yeah that’d be a reason to keep it

[desert hamlet]

Tbh idk…it was kinda hard enough already to get thelema

But won’t there be sources to farm from when u weren’t online for years?

[open bone]

Some yeah but a new account would have newbie awards and all those sources and all the ones you already did

[desert hamlet]

Tbh im kinda too lazy to create a new one

[arctic remnant]

You cannot just “store” the last attack right ? If she switches out she has to refill the bar from scratch ?

[open bone]

Then yeah stick with it then. You have 6 weeks to get Mei, or if your goal is to collect her she’ll probably rerun in a patch or two as well

You can get Valkyrie Blastmetal for free as a support for her

[desert hamlet]

I see

Shouldn’t be that hard then

[open bone]

And then any old P1 phys supports like Horb, senti, terminal aide third will be fine

[desert hamlet]

And no 50/50 comes in handy

[open bone]

For now

Yeah

[desert hamlet]

Or is there one now

[open bone]

Pity also lower now

[quasi pier]

no you can't store the last attack

[open bone]

90 pulls, no 50-50, 60 pulls guarentees wep

Stigmas all craftable

[desert hamlet]

Very good it’s like before

[desert hamlet]

Amazing

[open bone]

On average a F2P player can get a new release + wep about 3 patches in 4, more if they’re lucky

[desert hamlet]

I also have horb

That could work then

[open bone]

Should yeah. Won’t be as good as a dedicated astral ring support like FDD or Badum (so try to get one of them with carnival free pulls next week if you can) but should function just fine

[desert hamlet]

What is meis bis team?

I think itd be a good idea to invest in a good team now

Like im doing in hsr

[open bone]

Mei and then 2 of Badum FdD HLE

You can try and get FDD or Badum with the 20 free pulls for carnival next week

[sleek imp]

does badum ever go out in favor of latter two?

[open bone]

But unless you’re whaling I don’t reccomend specifically backpulling

[desert hamlet]

Nicee!

[open bone]

Since every backpull means a new release you don’t get on average

[desert hamlet]

Wdym

[open bone]

And new releases are in expectation typically more value for a player

Obviously if you like a specific character backpulling them is fine

But in terms of pure efficiency a new release is more bang for buck

[half hatch]

I wouldn't really say that investing into one specific team would be the most recommended choice here, more so what id recommended is just keeping up with newer release and slowly build your roster since the value of a valk peaks at it release, and since f2ps can't afford every new release we'd recommend to only pick up new releases as the meta advice

!Faq backpull

[night parcel]

What is 'Backpulling'?

Captain! Ai-chan can help!

'Backpulling' refers to pulling a Valkyrie or her equipment (or both!) on a rerun instead of on her release.

For more information on why this is considered damaging to an account for Captains who want to pursue meta in the game, click [here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[half hatch]

If you're interested read this for a bit more info

[desert hamlet]

I’m gonna get badum and hle for her then

I really don’t like hdd’s design and I actually was interested in the two

[open bone]

Badum and FDD are similarly valuable on carnival so you no downside to putting your free pulls towards Badum

[desert hamlet]

I see yeah makes sense

I fear all my part 1 characters are weak now

[open bone]

It sounds like you’re low on crystals right now so my recommendation is to focus on Mei + wep and then see what your thoughts look like once you have them

[desert hamlet]

Idk what my crystal count is 😭 didn’t download yet

[open bone]

You can try out various tutorials, get a sense for what people do. No point in locking in plans

Before u have all the info

[half hatch]

Well we gotta work with what we have, recovering an account will take time but it's definitely not impossible

[open bone]

Maybe you’ll read story and find a character you love, or it’ll turn out you have 20k crystals stored, or you lucksacc Mei first pull

Lots of options for ways things could change

[craggy ivy]

Does anyone heb s2 luna no ps nirbanana ref

[desert hamlet]

Yup true

I always wanted the new ely battle suit tho

[craggy ivy]

Ideally 740+

[half hatch]

SS cx ?

[desert hamlet]

And helia..is she worth now tho?

[craggy ivy]

S2

[open bone]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ZjcgzLEva/

[half hatch]

Sry meant chenxue

[craggy ivy]

Oh yeah ss cx

[open bone]

Mei FDD

[half hatch]

I think that was the one I had anyway

[open bone]

With S2 Luna

[craggy ivy]

Haven't checked what cora sync does but doesn't break run right

[open bone]

Paws is not as good a pull as Badum or FDD but she can still support Mei

[half hatch]

It's just DMG, d diff will probably make up for it

[open bone]

Not the worst choice, has some play utility and such

[desert hamlet]

I see

[craggy ivy]

Oghei

[desert hamlet]

So in hi3 is horizontal investment instead of vertical?

[open bone]

Yeah

S0+1 valks across the board is priority, then you can consider astral ops or ranks or syncs

If you’ve got competitive goals

[desert hamlet]

What’s S0+1

[open bone]

But in EU entirely possible to hit Nirvana with no astral ops no syncs no dupes

[desert hamlet]

I forgot all the terms

[open bone]

1 copy Valkyrie 1 copy wep

[half hatch]

Base character + sig weapon

[desert hamlet]

Oh

[open bone]

Retaining Nirvana with 0 vertical is a bit hard but still possible for developed accounts

So the only need for vertical is if you love a character or have serious competitive goals

[desert hamlet]

This game really got complicating on my break..

[half hatch]

Sig weapons have synergies that increase DMG so +2 is 2 copies and +3 is 3 copies, it stops at 3 though.

For ranks it's S0,s2,SS,ss1,ss2,ss3,SSS each step being one copy

[open bone]

Well it’s complicated if you’re a whale. If you’re F2P you mostly pull for new valk + new wep and you’re done

Decisions finished

[half hatch]

It did change a bit with the introduction of p2 Team building but once you get the hang of it it's fairly easy imo

[desert hamlet]

I’m usually a semi spender on gacha games

Like in hsr it’s bp, monthly and some packs (usually around 30-100) when things get tricky

[desert hamlet]

Yes I remember

[half hatch]

Should be able to get you every new valk S0+1 and if you're a bit lucky or willing to spend some aops here and there, doesn't sound too bad in terms of how far you could go in a competitive sense but I'd recommend to explore the game a bit again before you start to spend

[desert hamlet]

Yeah true I need to know if it’s really worth it to get back again

[open bone]

Sensible

I like the game a lot so I think it’s worth a try but you know, important thing is to make sure ur having fun

[dusky mantle]

the real fun is getting the gacha dopamine hit

not that i have a gambling addiction

[dull sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-3937562841362806777

[dusky mantle]

i dont gamble

i strategically wager

[arctic remnant]

How to do this? Do I need to progress the story up to a certain stage ?

[dusky mantle]

do the pvp

[hearty yacht]

what are the preferred teams for this MA

[open bone]

Mei Badum HLE
P1 Luna

Failing that, PS Dkey Luna FDD

[hearty yacht]

p1 luna? :|

[open bone]

She top scores

P2 Luna slow

[last hull]

When you buy one of these outfits in the outfit shop that released with 2 outfit versions, do you only get the advertised one, or both?

[elfin parrot]

should be both

i can't say firsthand though

[last hull]

Alright

[crude silo]

Got any recommendations for ER for luna’s new key? I know she wants Helix and daybreak. That’s about it

Rentry only updated with Xentinel Mei

[thick aspen]

@crude silo

kalpas 1 > su 1 > kosma 2

rest kinda wadever, it has pardo and eden on the pic, can also take griseo red ofc

[proud otter]

It is both

[last hull]

Waow beefylao still around too

[proud otter]

I’m always around

Reliable and strong beefylao

[last hull]

Thank you, our hero

Lemme give u a kiss /j

[proud otter]

[crude silo]

Thank you

[delicate raven]

Captain, Please use #invite-links-here for that

[verbal axle]

can i play sparkle in the elysian realm rn?

[elfin parrot]

@shadow trout Going to delete your comment since it's not fair to others who are posting it in the other channel. Sorry.

[craggy plume]

If you own her, then you can.
Are you asking about if she is good with the current buffs?

[verbal axle]

yes

im wondering what char to pick

the guide only shows them

[half hatch]

honestly anyway can clear as relatively easily, especially if they're a new char + geared you just need the right signets

[half hatch]

you can scroll down a bit for other guides, the signets prob didnt really change only the buffs you would choose before a run

[verbal axle]

sparkle with or without ring?

[half hatch]

up to you tbh, i dont own her so idk what's faster

[elfin parrot]

doesn't really matter since either way should be able to clear fine enough

unless you're trying to go for some world record run which doesn't really have much meaning when stage effects constantly change (so pick the build that is least hindered by it possibly) and you'll prob spend more time figuring it out than just going with any of them now

weapon active spam is arguably the simplest to play if that helps

[verbal axle]

do i want huodou or beast of sacrifice?

[elfin parrot]

i don't think sparkle has a particular advantage on either of them

does this huodou even have fire resistance? probably not

[verbal axle]

what should i choose, like this?

[verbal axle]

idk

[elfin parrot]

i'm not really seeing anything when i click the boss boxes either https://i.imgur.com/cPsfWwR.png https://i.imgur.com/2tVstHz.png

so really just either one. I do kinda feel neutrally the non changing boss (BoS) is a bit more tanky but this might be my own placebo

[elfin parrot]

hm i guess so. I don't expect much qua enemies so maybe change the 5 load effect if you plan to take kalpas

double 10s and double 5s might be viable too but i don't remember if sparkle can ignite in ER

[vernal terrace]

Most the cat has is a shield weak to physical

[desert bone]

Is there really no way to get more elfs

[craggy plume]

You can get some from asterite shop and they show up as a spending event reward mainly.

[desert bone]

O

Ty

[craggy plume]

Also we get one for free from time to time.

[desert bone]

I suppose this is a product from starting late then lol

I wanted the Klein one but I wont be getting that anytime soon
Thanks anyway

[shrewd python]

Teams for MA this week?

I used the locked team for the first boss but idk what to do for second and third

[scenic trellis]

already miss hle on ER af

crazy slow but shes lvl 1 tho

[willow herald]

Does the stellar surplus mechanic Rita gives out make her any better as a support for WoD teams or do other units still do better as a support

[open bone]

PS Vita RS or Hohe on Dudu, it's a lil cope but you have nothing better (can also try Horb Vita HLE but should be worse

And then you can do hohe thelema on jxy

er

sorry

er

blegh

the boss 2 that needs fast lightning

sorry, had a bit of a brainfart

[half hatch]

Generally rita is perceived as a good WoD support because of that mechanic but in the end it depends on the boss if you'd actually want to use her, in terms of DPS she's def up there from a support perspective though

the dmg bonus in SO from the surplus mechanic is quite nice for WoD units and even the buffs in ARC when surplus is active are relatively good

[lilac mango]

Have people found Luna's gear to be a "must pull" or will she probably get phased out of bosses as fast as HoFi did with her new gear?

[open bone]

She has fewer bosses than ranked trio had and fewer support cases

mostly tribunal and bleed mobius as dps, plus ps / paws supp

quite good for how cheap she is esp with global atk but in terms of usage much fewer uses than mei from what we can see

[lilac mango]

hmm hmm good to know. I have enough crystals to get her gear but I'm just so hesitant when they add these new sets for old characters. I skilled Seele just fine recently too

[elfin parrot]

QT's thoughts are basically on the mark but if you want to read more thoughts in general rather than in comparison to trio, maybe my listings here can help #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message

[sturdy vortex]

is kiana or vita better for luna dps? and what about new mei dps (i dont have a third symbiosis so have to do oblivion)

[elfin parrot]

wait which kiana? I thought you mean FWS but if none of these are symbiosis then i guess HoFi?

it might be more situational then. Vita is prob stronger but needs more setup to reach her ult effect

meanwhile kiana can prep her team effect without relying on a target existing on field via her weapon active, but if she ever needs to stellar drain it'll be slow and awkward

lmk if any lingo here doesn't makes sense and i can elaborate more. I can't remember if i covered them with you or not

[sturdy vortex]

I c i c
One more thing, is there any way to know which stigs i have of which char leveled here?