💁gameplay-help

[sturdy vortex]

does the game even explain it?

[elfin parrot]

i don't remember tbh. It was something i gradually became sharp on eventually

anyway i do want to get back to finishing up ARI/outburst talks and vita

some fights you can fit two outburst in them, so stellar drain and such can be paramount there

[half hatch]

Vaguely, you kinda need to connect 1 and 2 but it at least sorta tried to explain the basics when you click on the name in a skill description

[sturdy vortex]

but so, for example
for hofi, if not worth doing drain, u just weapon skill, if it is u do skill then get the 9 stacks through attacks and combo swap
for vita, if not worth u just ult and swap and if it is u go all the way to the combo
is that the general gist of it?

[elfin parrot]

overall every fight is different and all sorts of thingss come together to be optimized as a best fit

yeah only 9 stacks for drain mainly for hofi

ok so for vita the main thing is to ult for the team buff

[half hatch]

Technically yes but with vita you might run into SP issues and end up doing it anyway for the SP

[elfin parrot]

but alot of times you don't have the sp and need to attack to build it up anyway

the fist hold attack is what gives her stellar drain

except for law of ascension

[sturdy vortex]

wait, her ult is the source of the buffs...?
I ALWAYS ended skipping it because it didnt deal dmg compared to the dps

[elfin parrot]

in that ring type, vita's drain is from her last basic attack (cinematic sky laser)

[sturdy vortex]

i didnt read the char kit since i thought rotations were enough, but i didnt expect the ult to be the buff so i just skipped it cuz it wastes my time (ik theres timestop im talking irl time)

[elfin parrot]

you can visualize vita's buff duration above your hp too

tbh rotations are more of just a basic introductory idea but optimal fights in hi3 don't have strict rotations. There's always adjustments here and there that makes each cycle slightly different or even wildly

anyway vita does have more mechanics (abyssal energy) but that's very minor

[sturdy vortex]

alr, thanks!

[elfin parrot]

we can still talk about it if you want but i feel you might be overwhelmed with all these realizations by now

[sturdy vortex]

chars are way more complex than what i first thought lmao

[elfin parrot]

and maybe it would be good for you to put things into practice

can always ask us. Otherwise watch a high level video and see every action they are doing > cross reference with descriptions in game

not always in that order but a constant mix of that is how i improved

it's kind of like building with legos and knowing what each piece does

you can remove and add as necessary

anyway i really should go now but other profs are here to help. I don't feel i explained the idea of outburst timings earlier well enough (whether it's ok to delay them or not) so maybe forget about it for now and it can come up in actual play later

[half hatch]

It kinda depends on the character tbh, some are way simpler in both how they apply their buffs and trigger their stellar drain but yeah a lot of the times things that you need to be aware of are kinds scattered around the kit/ Stigmatas/ weapons. Feel free to ping me if you ever don't understand the kit of a valk I'm quite fond of most recent kits and don't mind helping people with that at all

[strong sorrel]

hello, returning player here. is this worth to buy?

[sturdy vortex]

alr, thanks guys! really expanded my knowledge with this (insert that one brain explosion meme lol)

[half hatch]

Iirc the value itself was quite good, things like monthly would still take priority but it's not that bad of a deal.
Should be like 3.x value ( crystals you get divided by the number of b chips you spend )

[strong sorrel]

and should i use crystallum for hotr's sig? or should i use it to buy hofin. im building my hoo comp

[half hatch]

generally you'd want to prioritize divine keys here, I wouldn't expect HoO DPS to do a lot of damage without hofi + her new gacha weapon so investing into that might not be worth it if you're interested in the meta

!Faq balls

[night parcel]

Immutable Crystallums

Hey there, Captain!

Crystallums are a Battle Pass Currency that can be exchanged for Valkyries and Equipment in the Reserve Works. Captains who purchase Knight or Paladin BP can also access the BP Works of that patch for 3 versions.

There are 3 BP tiers offering different amounts of Crystallums as follows:
-# The totals below account for the 2 Crystallums in the Dorm Shop.

• Vanguard (F2P) BP: 5 per patch
• Knight BP: 18 per patch
• Paladin BP: 24 per patch

It is recommended to spend your Crystallums on Divine Keys that you have yet to collect for permanent account-wide ATK bonuses. See the list [here](#👶beginner-help message).

Feel free to ask us for account specific advice - especially if you buy BP!

[half hatch]

If you don't know what the dkeys in that shop are check out the list at the bottom

[knotty niche]

https://youtu.be/Pz34R5MCBxY?si=KUJUSIxSPueSYHQl

I have a question what are they doing on 4:25-4:40?

I can tells it's Ult x2 CA WA NA? Ult NA? Ult CA CA?

Is what they're doing because I'm trying to replicate it but no luck

[half hatch]

It should be that what exactly isn't working ?

Did you make sure to do the WA -> ba -> CA before they switched to hle

[crude cloak]

Can y'all record the snippet and send it here

[knotty niche]

I'm using badum cora2

[crude cloak]

YT refuses to open it cuz copyright

[half hatch]

Shouldn't change anything here unless I'm missing smth important

[spiral raven]

for the 4th stack, they did atk-hold into aa ult

[crude cloak]

Nvm, I have an idea I think

[spiral raven]

so 2 ult into consume stack, wa aa into ult for 3rd, then atk-hold aa into ult for the last stack

atk hold is also ca but it gets confusing to use ca here

[knotty niche]

Okay ty

[spiral raven]

ig stack is not really depleted after you do the hold atk with 2 stacks here but idk better wording that gives you an idea of the move to do

actually ig the name of the move
but idk the eng name

[knotty niche]

Idk any names so twinning

[spiral raven]

ew

[dusky mantle]

Whats the strongest team lol. So far im.spamming bleed and ult build

[hard osprey]

Can I use Luna now in ER? Since I already got her new wep + stigmata or better wait for next week?

[crude cloak]

Nothing forbids you from using her xdd

The weather didn't change so it might not be as favorable

But it still is an easy clear

[toxic cape]

im back from retirement, and these chapter just like entered for tutorial and leave it as it is, dance of life and death arn 15% ish when part 2 is bassically haven't really touched

how many hours i need to spend and how many xtall i can get from these, and if there's guide since i bassically lost/amnesiac where last time i locked on on these open world stories

[onyx swallow]

Do I turn off hle qte when using her as support?

Paws qte is also not necessary for me on my current rotation since I ult for stellar drain anyways but I don't have enough sp to ult without qte

[open bone]

Depends on the rot. I often turn it off in WoD but almost never in grail

Her QTE does reup buffs and is useful for stelllar outburst

But it’s possible you do wa ult for the former and don’t need the ladder

[half hatch]

I'd leave it on for paws most of the time tbh

You want the sp for ult and if you don't need stellar drain it's also just a quick buff refresh

[plucky gust]

wow. symbiosis meta in EX MA this round. . . afaik only sparkle isn't symbiosis that are used here?

[spiral raven]

i mean if u run wod for tank then not rly

also tank is just pure tag

[plucky gust]

and like 60+ players having the same score in t100 lul

[half hatch]

Well with the right valks this week is relatively free so makes sense ig

[plucky gust]

true

[viscid pilot]

Hi! I just got the mad pleasure shadowbringer after saving the bp things. I don’t have her weapon but I gave her the one that’s for the sleepy Teresa.

Would that have her do decent damage or is that a bad choice of weapon?

[open bone]

Thelema really needs her weapon to fill her niche. That said it’s not like eepy Teri weapon isn’t the second best option

It’s just still not good

[viscid pilot]

Aw I see, I’m really low spender and it’s hard to get the bp shop things. I think she’s leaving in 55 days and I only get the free things since I only spent during one version for bp

Will the sleepy Teri weapon be fine for now? Her normal attacks do around 6k, and the weapon thing does around 40k

[open bone]

The main things Thelema uses her signature weapon for are

• Evade farming for Ari (enormous)
• extra buffs on ult
• additional self and team damage
• Timestop for MA

Vacation notice only does a slightly weaker version of 3

Without her wep she’s not going to be a BiS WoD support for say bull

But if you are low on WoD supports I suppose she’s not like useless with a different wep

[dusky mantle]

dont forget she can fly!!

[viscid pilot]

I see! My sleepy Teri just doesn’t do any high damage so I thought I’d give the weapon to Thelema. Thank you so much!!

[finite barn]

Wait you have the mei role I had been wondering what that looks like

Pretty...

[fair dock]

I have a question. Are the divine keys the reason why p1 valks can go astral or will the stigma be enough,m

[half hatch]

They need the weapon

[last hull]

No DKey = no AR

[fair dock]

Got it. Now i cope

[round oxide]

how do I build a team for new Mei if I dont have badum kiana

[dusky mantle]

use symbiosis

[round oxide]

what does that mean

I have no idea how part 2 team building works, complete clueless

[round oxide]

where is the Symbolosis thjing

[dusky mantle]

inside GoI click here

[round oxide]

And im trying to get her weapon rn, for the time being, which weapons should i use as a placeholder, I have DoSanction, MagStorm, HoO Sig, Frozen Naraka, or HoT's DK

[dusky mantle]

the strongest stat stick

[round oxide]

which is

[dusky mantle]

just use the one with the strongest atk\

[round oxide]

what about HoRB Main dps with DK

[dusky mantle]

what about her?

[round oxide]

team building

[dusky mantle]

i encourage you to click this

[round oxide]

so something like HoRB NewMei and Finality Kiana with DK would work?

[dusky mantle]

could work

is that all you have?

plenty of other valks with domain reso tag

[round oxide]

for Part 2 characters i have

Sena, HoRB, Finality, NewRita, Dragon-Colia, Durandal, Ego Ely, Lantern, Songque, Vita

[mortal jetty]

Mei dragon coralie horb

[dusky mantle]

there

[chilly flare]

is xentinel mei’s bis astralops chenxue? or will she get another in the future

[dusky mantle]

check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[chilly flare]

is that a yes for the latter part of the question

i don’t see much in the pins besides that

[spiral raven]

yes to the first then the pin says we don't know yet to second

[chilly flare]

thank you very much, badum is her bis right and if no coralie can i use love elf

[spiral raven]

teammates depends on exact ranks and syncs but
yea u can use hle instead of coralie

[chilly flare]

thanks a lot, i appreciate it

[hot silo]

guys i dont have sushang and my only good bleed valk rn is the free luna S.. Should I pull for her weapon so i can do bleed weathers?

[craggy pulsar]

does anyone know hot to zoom in while playing on pc, i cant use the scroll or touchpad?

how to*

[craggy ivy]

In terms of irl time non so or so better for xdc in er

[spiral raven]

probs non so

[craggy ivy]

Oghei ty

[hot shell]

Does Vita S2 Syn1 support LoA better than BFD S0 Syn1?

[gleaming relic]

all in atk for lunar affixes?

[crude cloak]

Yup

[gleaming relic]

no more additional electrc bonus?

[crude cloak]

ATK is better now cuz of the moveset changes

[crude cloak]

Yes

[gleaming relic]

oh damn didnt know her moveset changes alright

[crimson badge]

for a deep sequence run do the valks need a good build [trying to get them to lvl15]

[craggy plume]

Depends on a bit on difficulty and what valks we are talking about as it can be harder with some older ones

[crimson badge]

Ill be honest this account doesnt have much in terms of gear; probably the lowest just to get more than doing shallow for these lot
Need the Xtals for mei 💔 // Coralie does have 4/4 but other than her

[hot silo]

what are yall affixes for xentinel 🥺

[craggy plume]

In general for fast levelling. You do LITE and clear the first boss on the highest difficulty you can do and reset

Full ATK for XDC

[crimson badge]

alright cool , dont have lite because I just came back this week lol but Ill keep that in mind for monday thanks dude

[plucky gust]

ATK, but if you roll high c.dmg, its fine too. just don't gun for c.dmg, just atk

[hot silo]

i also got crit rate and its high asf do i keep it or should i stop caring for crit rate

[plucky gust]

no. c.rate affix is bad in this game, simply because there's a lot of c.rate already baked in the unit somewhere. just c.dmg

[craggy plume]

CRT is not crit rate and always abysmal

[hot silo]

dangg

okay ill just look for a better replacement for that crit rate

thank you🙏🏼

[lapis raven]

no

fdd is better mostly due to speed

vita s2’s damage is comparable even

there cld be situations where vita can be better but it’d be in situations where u can precast her wa/buffs and wont significantly lose time to her shift

i cant think of any in particular rn tho

by no means am i saying that vita s2 completely useless tho; the tf is nice for ma runs and the increased breach helps in ws/wod teams quite a lot

but yea for loa fdd is usually better due to speed

[spiral raven]

vita trash

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267065291368566806/1401188988957491310/1352732798737186977.webp

[lapis raven]

oh also theres situations where both of them are used together

[lapis raven]

an example will be sd mobs last patch, where bis team was fws fdd vita

[edgy hamlet]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1gvFsziEFB
Does anybody know how they got an evasion at 0:32? Also I assume thats how they got 300SP so quickly since it connected to her BA3 after evasion?

[digital sky]

^?

[spiral raven]

theres no evasion at 0:32, its just part of her kit that lets u trigger ue no

well to begin with

u can time the last hit of ba string better

[edgy hamlet]

oh Im dumb then. what did they do to get 300 SP then? Im really slow at this part

[spiral raven]

its just hold atk aa then wep aa

that shoryuken is the hold atk

shoryuken can connect direct into the last few atk of the ba string

so its faster than normal seq

[edgy hamlet]

Oh so that wasnt a normal sequence?

[spiral raven]

well normal sequence just tap atk only

she rised into the air

she only rise into the air / aka do the shoryuken cuz u hold atk

[edgy hamlet]

Ok yea I thnk it's working. I was missing the hold atk aa

tyty

[digital sky]

Where?

[spiral raven]

at the very start

[digital sky]

Oh yeah idrk how to time it..

[spiral raven]

what i do is evade twice then hold atk atk atk

if u fast hands it might be tad early, so i like wait a tiny tiny bit or just hold forward and right

and the moment she moves then u do eva twice

986 is when u should kill both

[digital sky]

Anything else noticible?

[spiral raven]

i havnet watched but hold on i watch now

[gusty osprey]

does anyone know why this happens? i was able to play yesterday and now it says this for the 4th time

[spiral raven]

• can time badum jump ca 3 points after u kill. so say u kill at 986, then 983 u can jump
• then u can get 3rd ult stack quicker by doing hold atk, atk atk, instead of just spamming atk only, but not big deal
• use badum wa in SO so u can get the final ult stack, and then use hold atk and spam atk, doing the special then wa to end so, and wa should kill.

if not use badum wa, then dont do 4 ult stacks, maybe only do 2 or something then swap out

but idk if u kill or not, if u skip stuff

[lament prairie]

anyone know how the fuck I'm supposed to cut stuff out of xqc's rot? I am massively overkilling in abyss but feel impossible to cut anything out

[spiral raven]

by pulling s2

[lament prairie]

[spiral raven]

but u dont basically

ig u can try to ult twice then consume a stack, and then swap out for supports to do their ults

but like it feels pretty bad

[lament prairie]

I'd genuinely consider S2 if I wasn't on EU, just a waste here tho

plus I want ely outfit

[spiral raven]

but anyways yeah her gameplay is like kinda crazy in how locked ur SO rot is

[lament prairie]

yeah it feels pretty braindead

[spiral raven]

doing full compare with trying to skip anything is quite big diff

and there isnt any easy way to help with slivers if u do sliver

[lament prairie]

like I'm stuck at 811 in abyss overkilling but unable to cut anything out to catch up to the fws havers

[spiral raven]

hmm i see

[digital sky]

We get 5 character tickets so maybe u can lock in

[lament prairie]

nehhh

better to save for future

maybe I'll 'build pity' on expa if I need to do that to max out the spending event

also would it be stupid to ignore songque astralop if I have every other astralop SS

[edgy hamlet]

Anyone have some tips? I feel like there's lots of room for improvement

[spiral raven]

idk, unless we sure of what future aop do, otherwise just having s songque is still nice for the two ws dps we have atp

[lament prairie]

but isn't SS Sera better than S Songque

[spiral raven]

not for teri/spork

oh that makes it a third for horb

[lament prairie]

my teri weaponless anyway

how is S better wat

[spiral raven]

sera gibs less dmg than sonk

for elemental

[lament prairie]

and horb?

[spiral raven]

horb is still sera

cuz sonk gives nothing

[lament prairie]

ok

idk if I can justify getting songque for literally just sparkle

who has like no shill

I want to be dumb and collect even more useless things like ELFs

[spiral raven]

i mean its prob fine since the stuff u can pick is pretty meh in the first place

[digital sky]

What about sena

[spiral raven]

sena dps is prob kia elf

unless u sss sonk

[digital sky]

Oh really?

[spiral raven]

well for all the cycles so far its just kia elf

because u ring super soon and its only lighting lobster

compared to like teri/spork where theres like two phases

i picked sonk aop to make it ss, even tho idk what its gonna do lel

i alr had s

but if they gib another sonk in the future and sonk still not ded

then it can be sss

[lament prairie]

maybe no SO p1 is the way to go but it won't gain me much

[edgy hamlet]

how do i keep getting exactly the same score

[rigid cedar]

@thick aspen here's video

[lament prairie]

I see why people turn off mei qte holy shit that 2nd slash has an 8 year windup time

[spiral raven]

yessir

its poop dmg as well

[rigid cedar]

for now with what i tried, i scored lower with qte off

[digital sky]

Wait her qte has to be off

[lament prairie]

well it doesn't have to be but score cap will probably be higher with it off

it seems to just waste time for the most part

[digital sky]

Off it goes..

[thick aspen]

surely you should spend that 150sp you get from transition first before AR, or maybe even 300sp for 2 ults if you time the first parry too

and you probably want badum qte off..

[rigid cedar]

if i do that, i can't use ult after finisher

[digital sky]

Badum qte off aswell?

[thick aspen]

depend on boss

[digital sky]

Wb this boss supporting mei

[thick aspen]

yea if u get 300 then u could do 1 before and 1 after

[rigid cedar]

alright

[thick aspen]

the before is really fast since you cancel the ending lag with AR

[rigid cedar]

should i stick to aerials or is ground also fine to time

with mei's basics

[thick aspen]

i never did aerial lol

[rigid cedar]

i'm probably too badum coded

[thick aspen]

idk the timing for the 1st since i do that one with badum but for the 2nd one if you just start attacking after the 3rd drum it always hits

[rigid cedar]

i still don't know how to do qte in transition, it doesn't let me

[digital sky]

Im confused about the 2nd point

[spiral raven]

well like hold atk atk atk is faster to get 150 sp for me
last time i check that was the case
unless i hab rly bad memory

from overworking and then delulu

[digital sky]

When killing the mobs?

[spiral raven]

u know how u did just spammed basics after the weap basics to get sp 150

[spiral raven]

no in p1

[digital sky]

Oh yeah

[thick aspen]

its faster because her combo counts as b1

can connect directly to b2

[spiral raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267065291368566806/1401188988957491310/1352732798737186977.webp

[thick aspen]

weapon can connect to b3 and combo can connect to b2

[digital sky]

Seras better than dreamseeker right?

For mei fws fdd

[thick aspen]

anything is better than dreamseeker

[rigid cedar]

well not anything in any team..

some astralops are just worse than dreamseeker if used in the wrong team

like TeriOP in WS

[open bone]

Or sonq on physical

Or a bunch on typeless but you mostly wouldn’t use Mei there so nbd

[lament prairie]

wahhhhh

[open bone]

Rip gg

[lament prairie]

I can't see how I can get anything more

[open bone]

Get Badum from carnival 👍

[lament prairie]

can't even do that, Carnival starts way after abyss ends lol

xdddd

[lime grail]

yea carnival is next thu

[rigid cedar]

did the 2 ults at the end otherwise i don't have buffs

a better version of the end was 1 ult > ca with 816

[lime grail]

why did you prefarm sp on trans

[thick aspen]

what is with discord and videos

if they play at all then they only play in small window, insane lag if try to fullscreen

[rigid cedar]

is hardware acceleration on?

[autumn heron]

Is this good? I don't have her signature yet, only using Mag-Storm at lvl 50 but have her stigmata set

[thick aspen]

it is on

[rigid cedar]

okay then weird

maybe some global gpu setting forces something

[rigid cedar]

ults post-finisher

[open bone]

She’s bricked without her weapon but you still have time to get it

[half hatch]

well you always want her weapon, i dont really now what the atk of mag storm level 50 is but it doesnt matter that much because a valk without their weapon can't DPS propperly

[autumn heron]

Yeah, but is the stats good enough, cause Mei still hits like a truck

[lime grail]

ohhh

[open bone]

With her proper weapon she’ll have like 300 more attack and do easily 2 or more times as much damage

Obviously even with a bad weapon she’s still better than old battlesuits who also don’t have weapon

[half hatch]

again idk what atk mag storm level 50 has so i can't properly compare it but with her sig you'll have like at least 200 atk more than that

[open bone]

But in terms of damage and utility she really needs wep

[autumn heron]

It's mag-typhoon sorry, but 298

[half hatch]

still feels a bit low even with her signature then, but anyway dont invest into her affixes unless you have her signature weapon.
I also dont know your dkey and dorm situation so no idea how much atk you're missing there

[autumn heron]

I'm missing 100 on dkey and my dorm is lvl 24

[half hatch]

ig given the circumstances it's fine then ? but i cant really say the stats are fine because of no sig, anyway atk doesnt matter that much until you wanna t3 in RL/peak into nirvana what's more imporant before that is teams + rotations

[open bone]

If you want to ask how good your affixes are it would be better to show the affixes instead of the final atk for some random wep

and no idea what dkeys

But like mango says affixes are the last thing you need to care about atp

[half hatch]

M is fine but T and B are improvable, dont waste your affix mats on a char without signature though, and generally keep the affix mats until you climb in abyss 1 good line per stig is enough for RL retain, just keep them how they are rn

[autumn heron]

I only have these three to work with if I make Mei the first slot

[half hatch]

should be fine

you're getting value out of both mei passives even if Hohe is not that optimal shouldnt struggle in RL

[open bone]

At least once wep is there. Without weapon might be better off with Badum dps a lot of the time

[autumn heron]

Whats like the damage of Mei for you?

[half hatch]

dmg numbers itself dont mean a lot, but i can't stress this enough it doesnt matter if you don't have her signature weapon, even mag typhoon pri arm is like a 50% DPS loss while you also lose time frozen domain on her big CA and need more SP generated from supports in SO

https://youtu.be/2UpklVN5Pz8?si=zoN4u1raXORfGTVt
you could have a look at this if you want

[rigid cedar]

Same vid but youtube so you can watch it https://youtu.be/3WwovYXLmJE

[autumn heron]

Thanks for the help!

[thick aspen]

looks alright, i havent watched any cora runs really so idk if there is anything fundamentally wrong

but i guess thats about the score

[boreal eagle]

wait why tf u have qte off on mei

also u can easily ult with badum 1 point faster even 2 but is harder

[thick aspen]

because it sucks

takes forever and does low dmg

[dull sphinx]

Okay, is there any ER expert here? I need help with shaving my timer

[thick aspen]

even s2+ turn it off for many fights

imagine s0 who dont even get a charge from it

[dull sphinx]

SSS HoFi with dkey, alone with HoFs stigma with all HP affix, got no problem with houdou but, having some issue with double floor

[boreal eagle]

bruh there is no sp for ult when u enter

is needed if u want to be fast

[spiral raven]

just get 150 sp before swapping out

otherwise atk-hold into aa isnt too slow either

qte off saves u a lot of points in ring

[boreal eagle]

atk hold into aa faster than normal aa ?

[spiral raven]

yessir

[boreal eagle]

wait a sec i forgot about that move

shet

[thick aspen]

just wiat for some of the next boss and u see

everyone turn it off

[spiral raven]

ik u guys wont need it at all but for me, its also helpful to do atk hold into ult
ult cancels second part of the atk hold
some extra dmg

[vernal terrace]

Now I feel like trying this boss with XDC's QTE off

[dull sphinx]

Also hey Ridley

[vernal terrace]

Hi pot pot

[dull sphinx]

No one here can help me shave my timer atm, what should I do

[spiral raven]

just mald slot machine ez

but at the same time, what kind of help do u even need, since u could just try to copy the homework

[dull sphinx]

Me having problem with double floor, can't seems to clear the 3rd wave with in 2 second

[round arch]

is it noticeable enough ?

or just a lil increase

[spiral raven]

quite small

[round arch]

just to escape slivers kinda ?

[thick aspen]

such is life when you are the top player yourself

[spiral raven]

feels a bit more than sliver

but i mean its prob better u just try to know whether u should do it or not

[spiral raven]

moar dmg where

[boreal eagle]

why u lied to me

is same speed

[dull sphinx]

Me who wonder da same thing

[dull sphinx]

Me ain't top, me just casual

[spiral raven]

how come, its faster for me, and paul said so too

[boreal eagle]

literally same speed for me idk

what ur guys smoking

[spiral raven]

hmm idk then

do u get ari slightly faster

[boreal eagle]

im not using AR in p1 so not checked

and in AO i can only use ults

maybe there is some cancel

[spiral raven]

u can check if using it lets u get ari slightly faster compare to only na then

cuz either way it was slightly faster for me to do so

unless me and paul smoked too much as well

[thick aspen]

top ER

[dull sphinx]

Top is like... 14 sec

[thick aspen]

[boreal eagle]

1.5 more AR

[spiral raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267065291368566806/1401188988957491310/1352732798737186977.webp

[boreal eagle]

but i dun trust that 1.5 more ar means more speed

[spiral raven]

well more speed if u ring asap no

[boreal eagle]

i always have enough to ring in p2

[spiral raven]

i need to do it for both phases

[boreal eagle]

ill try again maybe il record and compare frame by frame

[spiral raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267065291368566806/1401188988957491310/1352732798737186977.webp

[sturdy vortex]

uhhh, why does the quick combo attack after doing qte on luna not trigger after i gave her the p2 weap?

[spiral raven]

if its gone after u gave her the new weap, its likely that that thing is just gone with new wep

some of her moves got altered

[sturdy vortex]

how do u quick combo with her then?

well, whats the rotation rather

[half hatch]

just ult to enter frenzy mode

and then spam wa

[sturdy vortex]

oh, so ult gives a full bar of that now?

[half hatch]

it should yeah

[sturdy vortex]

i c, and for support luna its still the same as what u said?

[spiral raven]

【室友来了也救不了这伤害。s2+1月s0+2科s0+1芽批发官服寂灭561扰流血梅比乌斯761-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/cQR6jTX

as a ref ig

[spiral raven]

just ult is all u do

and then swap out

[half hatch]

either qte and ult or you can also just qte

depends on if you need stellar drain

[sturdy vortex]

so ult triggers the stellar drain and qte already does all buffs?

[half hatch]

both trigger the buffs but yeah qte applies her 3pc

[sturdy vortex]

but both triggers the same buffs or different ones?

[half hatch]

it's the same, her 3pc effect applies on both qte or ult

or SO entry

[sturdy vortex]

ohh, alr thanks!

[spiral raven]

if support luna then can start with luna ult

[sturdy vortex]

wait, i forgot to ask one thing
when an astral ring starts, do u have to do the buffs for every char again or all buffs are already applied?

[spiral raven]

so u skip the qte and get drain

[spiral raven]

it auto applies/refresh for most valks

[sturdy vortex]

do u still want to do the other chars rotation for dmg tho?

[spiral raven]

well depends on what ring

[half hatch]

depends on the ring/valk

[spiral raven]

on wod u dont bother

grail u swap to support to regen sp
loa ur supports do dmg
ws ur supports help proc reso

[sturdy vortex]

grail is the mei one?

[spiral raven]

yes

[sturdy vortex]

just swapping and swapping back is enough?

[half hatch]

no each support regenerates SP on their ult + another move depending on their kit, for mei you want to use both ults + 1 extra move after her first big CA

[spiral raven]

ult and or combo for sp,

[sturdy vortex]

wait, what extra move? i thought it was weapon skill/ba sequence for sp (outside of astral ring) both ult, charged attack, charged attack, charged attack weapon skill (if on astral ring ig)

[half hatch]

ah mei as a support ? then it depends on which grail valk she is support, for LV dps just go in -> use ult -> ( CA if you need the dmg but the timer could jumpsec here) -> go to the other support and ult -> back to LV

[violet horizon]

What's the highest score you can get with dreamseeker op for this abyss
I got 816

[half hatch]

wait nvm i think were talking around each other here,

[sturdy vortex]

no, dps lol

but good to know its support rotation

[half hatch]

my point was that in SO you do ult x 4 -> ca x 3 -> go to your first support ult + extra move that regens additional SP what it is depends on the valk -> go to your second support ult -> mei -> ult 4x ca x3 wa

ofc this is a very general rotation but should be solid for the base understanding

[sturdy vortex]

ahh, i c thanks!

[half hatch]

should be able to go higher
https://youtu.be/Pz34R5MCBxY?si=i9kcQG3p_A_CGTos

[violet horizon]

Ahh I see

[violet horizon]

Wow I only now realised you can gain astral energy with kianna charge attack 💀

And it has been so many patches

[half hatch]

have you been using her WA the whole time 😭

[violet horizon]

Yes

[half hatch]

[violet horizon]

Literally slipped my mind and I have forgotten for so many patches

[elfin parrot]

that's rough but tbf fws is one of the weirder ones about that

at least you know now going forward

[violet horizon]

So many scores I could of achieved if I new

[elfin parrot]

yeah it does make a notable difference

[vernal terrace]

Two ways to get Stellar drain

[elfin parrot]

hopefully this gets you checking references more too. Lots of weird things i discovered because of observing them

[violet horizon]

Do other characters have 2 ways to gain stellar drain ?

[elfin parrot]

uh does vita count? In LoA she gets it differently lol

vita also has abyssal energy gimmicks that usually aren't important but i can talk about that too

[violet horizon]

Think the fact haveing 2 ways to gain stellar drain made me think her wa is the only way

[elfin parrot]

WoD teams all share the same stellar drain stack pool

And SS vita in WoD can consume all stellar drains at once

[violet horizon]

And I have always wondered why they charge attack w kianna in videos 😭

[elfin parrot]

the CA is also one method to buff the team iirc on that note

[vernal terrace]

[violet horizon]

I know thelema can charge 2 stellar drains cannot remember if its a WoD thing or part of her ranks

[elfin parrot]

it's a WoD thing

it's shared across the team

so her triggering it twice is just her taking a stack from someone else

[violet horizon]

Ahhh, I have not played WoD for a long time

[elfin parrot]

hm i think it really is just FWS who can trigger it in a direct alt fashion but don't quote me on that

[vernal terrace]

HoRb

[elfin parrot]

oh does HoRb have an alt way? I never really used her so i wouldn't know

[half hatch]

yeah, cant think of anything else tbh, it's also a bit weird how they managed to do that since her enhanced WA is technically just another CA

[vernal terrace]

CA and WA like FWS

[elfin parrot]

good to know

https://i.imgur.com/LrYj6QQ.png

[vernal terrace]

Though her and FWS have it swapped for the KE bar attacks

[boreal eagle]

u were right omg few frames faster if i use it in between the ults not enough to +1 the phase 1 but at the end i got 838 because of it

https://tenor.com/view/niubi-牛逼-approve-thumbs-up-gif-13894180

[violet horizon]

Got 829 score thanks to this mysterios kianna move

[tacit oasis]

hey guys does a signet guide for xdc exist yet?

[dreamy vapor]

not on the reentry one, they usually wait iirc till the week after when the ER sequence selection favors them (usually doesnt the first week since the ER cycle happens before new patch)

[tacit oasis]

alr ty!

[dreamy vapor]

if you want to do it early, could probably get away with just focusing on deliverance1 and gold1 for your two main ones since she both regens a toooon of SP, and ults often

i havent looked at the sequence selection for it though so no idea what to pick with that

[obtuse lintel]

HELP

i cant move

[dreamy vapor]

try restarting your device

[obtuse lintel]

my keyboard is working just fine

[dreamy vapor]

try hitting right alt real quick

but if that doesnt work just restart your device, games glitch out sometimes it happens

[obtuse lintel]

it wasnt that

just went out to er lobby and back

and it got fixed

wth

first time this happens to me

[dreamy vapor]

it happens sometimes, usually just a quick restart or i guess in your case a quick out and in did the trick :3

[obtuse lintel]

[obtuse lintel]

im uncooked

[void canopy]

might be a dumb question, but in the in-game tutorial for Mei, it does astral burst mei -> Kiana -> coralie but would it make much of a difference if you went mei -> coralie -> kiana?

[lapis raven]

nakiri!

apart from ur breach ending earlier, no it shdnt

and on a larger scale, ur rot itself cld change off of the switch cd

[void canopy]

thanks a ton. was kinda worried. have yet to look up youtube guides, been so damn busy

[lapis raven]

glgl

[obtuse lintel]

pretty much stat difference i guess

[last hull]

Who would one use to support Mei if they don't have GoI or Cora

[crude cloak]

Did you try SOing earlier and doing the full rot

[obtuse lintel]

im following ref

yeah, im 5 points bellow, but the dmg diff makes is there too

[crude cloak]

Should be Badum PS

[last hull]

PS is Helia?

[crude cloak]

No, Sushang

[last hull]

Oh

[crude cloak]

You said you don't have Helia

[last hull]

Oh Helia is also GoI?
It's been a real long time Im trying to learn ts from scratch

Sorry

[crude cloak]

No worries

Not sure how PAWS and PS compare for Mei specifically tbh

[last hull]

Oh wait no Helia is PAWS

[crude cloak]

Uh huh

[obtuse lintel]

without doing weap + atk?

[crude cloak]

Just QTE in and SO, yes

[obtuse lintel]

that'd let me without enough sp for when so ends

[crude cloak]

By doing the full rot you should kill with finisher

[obtuse lintel]

just tried that

[obtuse lintel]

and whats the full rot

[crude cloak]

Or maybe even cut smth out as long as you do Mei's CA sequence twice

[obtuse lintel]

dont do finisher and keep doing atk to charge full combo?

[crude cloak]

Ye

Just ults on Mei should be enough, no need for basics

[obtuse lintel]

now for some reason im not getting the fist part here

[obtuse lintel]

i need to do ba to charge ults

when i enter so, first ca sequence and do kiana and ely stuff, when back to Mei, i have enough sp only for one ult, i cant do the 4 ults

[lilac mango]

Now that Luna is useful (?) again, should I get her to SS with stamps from the Supply Shop, or do we think she'll be phased out sooner than later already?

[crude cloak]

Then you don't do enough on Badum and/or HLE

[obtuse lintel]

its just qte + ult

[crude cloak]

idr how HLE plays in GoI, but Badum wants to do her enhanced WA to get more SP

[obtuse lintel]

doing weapon with badum would take more time

[crude cloak]

Yes, but you do a long-ass sequence before SO anyway

Should be about the same

[obtuse lintel]

im not

i just did it as you said, without doing weap + ba before SO

[crude cloak]

I meant in the recorded run

[obtuse lintel]

yeah, and im saying that im not doing that anymore

im just gonna pray no body does better ig

[quasi pier]

what are mei's stats looking like? that's a bit of a atk diff

[obtuse lintel]

yeah ik

[quasi pier]

where dkeys

[obtuse lintel]

[quasi pier]

only +94 from dkeys

[obtuse lintel]

why does anyone has chenxue

[thick aspen]

because chenxue makes goi teams much better to play

[obtuse lintel]

i mean, yeah, but i dont have her

should i try getting sonq aop?

or just ely fragments for hoh SS2

[quasi pier]

you could but she won't help with mei since songque doesn't buff phys

[obtuse lintel]

[obtuse lintel]

not for mei, i mean in general

for my account

[quasi pier]

in general sure

[obtuse lintel]

what if

[quasi pier]

hoh is in war treasury you know

[obtuse lintel]

14 + 86 = 100

so thatd be SS2

[obtuse lintel]

10 by 10 weekly would take me 9 weeks to get her SS2

she is also in bp

nah i think sonq aop would benefit more my acc than SSS hole

[quasi pier]

yeah song op is pretty much a boost for your elemental teams and can be pretty versatile like dreamseeker

[obtuse lintel]

[elfin parrot]

maybe wait for now since we are getting news of ||a future astral op in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins. We don't know anything yet||

esp for this abyss when song isn't looking to help unless you're slightly ARI gated compared to DS

but i doubt that ARI is going to be the diff of retaining

[obtuse lintel]

wait what for?

[obtuse lintel]

im talking about getting sonq from here

not like can i can change what to choose if they release something new

[elfin parrot]

well for all i know that ||new op might be free (prob not) and maybe it can replace all of s or ss song op uses (prob not)||

i just don't think we have enough info to make a call right now, nor do i expect getting song from spending event shop atm to matter for your current abyss

[obtuse lintel]

is not for my current abyss

is fro the acc in general

if i wait and it results to be a new better option, what then? i choose ely framents?

[cyan nova]

can anyone explain to me the new mei rotation? (is her alias XDC?) the tutorial didnt really help me much

[obtuse lintel]

if im getting things right, to do the 3 ca animations you can just do the first ba and the other too work just with ba

so it'd be like

SO rot: Ult 4 > ca > ba 2 > stuff with your other two characters > Mei qte > ult 4 > ca > ba 2 > weapon

as how i see itm its kinda similar to paws

[cyan nova]

idk, it seems that sometimes it works and sometimes not (?) i dont understand what shes doing, and how do i release that special attack? it shows up on the attack button but it doesn't seem to respond to either a normal attack or charged, it does what it wants and i am left pressing all the buttons trying to make it work, i see why would it be similar to paws but paws its ult ult ult ult charged, she has to many other things in the middle that are not working for me

[obtuse lintel]

out of SO would be like:

weap > ba > ult 2 > ca > ba sequence > weap > ba > ult 2 > ca > ba

[violet horizon]

SS song op is nice for those who dont pull ops i refuse

i deff dont have terri op

[obtuse lintel]

this attack?

[elfin parrot]

if it results to be a better new option that you wind up getting, then your spending event currency is completely wasteful which is what we're trying to avoid here. We're trying to get some sort of value.

If it really winds up being the case, we have the rest of the spending event pin to help with that. It might change later as we get more info though. you can keep ely frags in mind if you want but I don't feel we can expect much HoHE dps weathers going forward. Keep other things in mind too like stamps or ELFs.

ultimately i'm not expecting anything major from spending event shop.

[cyan nova]

yes! it shows up on the attack button but it feels like she keeps doing ba until she decides to actually release it

[elfin parrot]

is there an enemy on field for you to target it with?

XDC doesn't really use any hold attacks until she knows there's an enemy to use it on

[violet horizon]

She has a hold attack when There is no enamys and and also when there is no 2 charges available for her special charge where she charges up and you can combo into her attack sequence

[elfin parrot]

you're going to need to edit that further

[obtuse lintel]

see this icons? those 4 kinda wings and the 2 other things in the middle. With each ult, you charge one wing, and with 2 wings, you can do one charged attack. With each charge attack fills one of the 2 things in the middle, and when you feel them 2, you can do the 3rd charged attack which is the special

[violet horizon]

Wait lemme simplify it

[elfin parrot]

XDC basically boils down to

restore sp

• QTE
• basic attack
• weapon > attack

use ult for her meter. 2x ult per meter threshold

at certain checkpoints of her meter she can hold attack for special attack.

After two special hold attacks, you can hold attack again for the third one with not additional ults (so a full sequence only needs 4 ults)

Edit: or just read what aku said.

[obtuse lintel]

so you need 2 ults for one charged attack, then other 2 ults for the 2nd charged attack, then once you have the 2 things at the middle like this, you can do the special attack

[violet horizon]

She essentially has another charged attack that she dose dose when you have no stacks for a special charge from her ke bar

[obtuse lintel]

here is an example, not doing any rotation, just to show that you need 2 wings for each charged attack, and everything filled means special charged attack

[violet horizon]

Mei is such a satisfying char to play

[obtuse lintel]

[elfin parrot]

hm main thing i recognize from the regular hold attack is triggering your evade skill early but maybe i'm missing something about it

[violet horizon]

Yes that but she also launches up into the air and it connects to a basic attack sequence

That what I ment

[elfin parrot]

i think it goes the other way too? You can mid air hold to a ground ba2?

but i mean both are these are just replacing ba1

[cyan nova]

is her first rotation different from the later rotations? when i do the first charged she fills up the second in the spot?

[elfin parrot]

i don't really care too much about the 10 sp you're getting at each of these when what matters is 150 sp for ult casts, which gets fixed set from ba3 https://i.imgur.com/m3h5JHJ.png

[violet horizon]

I just find the normal charge easier to connect with after you do one special charge

[elfin parrot]

but anyway if evade skill is available, hold atk > trigger evade skill > ba 3 should be what's happening?

https://i.imgur.com/u3qgjbe.png

so hold attack with evade skill should be a way to skip ba2

[violet horizon]

Yes

[elfin parrot]

wait something is wrong

that description i just posted is not the evade skill

it's just purely evading an enemy attack timely

i don't see any benefit to evade skill aside from time fracture

so it sounds like memorial arena utility

[obtuse lintel]

thats because when she enters as leader she already has one wing, so you only need one ult, then it connects directly to the second charged atk, then you can do the 3rd one

[violet horizon]

The hold attack sequence is faster than just simply attacking isnt it

[elfin parrot]

anyway going back to this specifically i do vaguely recall daniel paul and afklord discussing how it's a frame saver in a way

[violet horizon]

Cuz it is used in the rice cake boss fight

[elfin parrot]

yeah i think so

[elfin parrot]

will need to read backwards from this

[elfin parrot]

here

[violet horizon]

Ahh so it is

[obtuse lintel]

so at the beggining the rot might be more like_

atk seq > ult > ca > ba 2

[elfin parrot]

ok let me rewrite all of this i guess

[obtuse lintel]

being the 2nd ba the special atk

[obtuse lintel]

tho if you dont do them inmediately one after another, you would actually need to do ca

damn they just made a skill just for her and ely

[violet horizon]

Oh wait the buff is if elysia is on the team
That mean mpe can trigger it

[half hatch]

you prob wouldnt do the rot in the first place if you needed to actually farm SP again for the second CA, the first stack very much just feels like a convenience for bio mobs at the beginning of a boss since you lose all stacks once mei exits the field

so i'd say this is a bit more fight dependent overall than an definite first rot

[obtuse lintel]

Yeah, thats why i said "might be"

the rots vary depending on what you are fighting

in current abyss you cant even do 3rd attack, you get rid of them with the 2nd

[elfin parrot]

XDC basically involves building up to different layers of attacks:

1. restore sp

• QTE (might be off for XDC leader dps since it's slow and weak)
• basic attack (mainly ba3 to reach 150/300 sp)
  • hold ba > mash ba seems slightly faster
  • if opportune, evade enemy attack > instant ba3
• weapon > attack

2. use ult (150 sp each) for her meter. 2x ult per threshold

3. Upon reaching a threshold > can hold attack for a special attack

• you don't have to use the first one immediately upon reaching it. You can do 4x ults > two hold attacks > third hold attack

4. After the first two hold special attacks, you can hold attack again immediately for a third one with no additional ults

there's always room for other details i may be missing

[cyan nova]

that explains a lot thanks

[half hatch]

yeah but the rot just would be let ba3 hit exactly when the first enemy spawns -> ca -> ca maybe even third ca. the point was that there would be no need to do another SP farming if you'd execute bio mobs.
this is prob just me being too nitpicky lmao dont worry too much about it there are already a lot of ppl talking in this convo so i'll leave it at that

[obtuse lintel]

also read what the others are saying, but youre welcome

[obtuse lintel]

you need to do ult in order to perform ca

so it be as you said with the ba3, then ult > ca > ba. then everyone is dead

[half hatch]

oh forgot ult before the first CA, in the end i was just trying to point out the skill that gives stacks if you kill a enemy with a CA

[obtuse lintel]

but thats for this abyss

[obtuse lintel]

oh so the extra 2 stacks after first ca are because you kill

[half hatch]

yes

[obtuse lintel]

i was looking for that in the skills

[half hatch]

passive main skill

[obtuse lintel]

there it is

[violet horizon]

The fact a gearless teamless mei can destroy some bio mini abyss stages

Bio mob vacum cannot wait to use her in er

[obtuse lintel]

so that might even change the later rots, when doing weap > ba > ult 2 > ca, if you kill, you can connect to 2nd CA then 3rd one

(if you kill an enemy with the 1st ca)

[violet horizon]

Good thing to note that the 3rd ca restores sp

[obtuse lintel]

it leaves you like with 150 isnt it

[violet horizon]

Yes

[obtuse lintel]

[violet horizon]

If you have a wa left you can have 300 sp for the next rot

[obtuse lintel]

[violet horizon]

Hmmm sp

[obtuse lintel]

[lament prairie]

ouuu qte not dogshit!!!!!

[vague flame]

how can u absolutely minmax the ricecake fight

i dont have chenxue

[crude cloak]

Well, it's just a DPS check fight, there's not much to do xdd

If you're in RL and don't have enough ARI for the second phase you should be doing the transition on Badum

[vague flame]

well i just wanna see the rotations n stuff if anyone has a video

[crude cloak]

She gets more ARI from evasions

[crude cloak]

Hieu Le on YT has a ref

[vague flame]

thank u ill see

also what does meis s2 do

[crude cloak]

S1 increases her SO damage (not by much), S2 makes her WA activate Time Fracture (useful only in MA)

[vague flame]

ahh okay great channel actually i figured out what i was doing wrong

[crude cloak]

Not worth getting unless gigawhale essentially

Are you asking cuz you wanna hit a spending event threshold or smth

[vague flame]

no i already got 2 mei on my 10 pull

i just wanted to see if theres smth special i should be doing or smth but thank you a lot ^^

[half hatch]

you can skip an ult in her rotation

s2 provides a skill that gives you 1 stack for your CA with your QTE, normally you'd do 4 ults until you can do her second CA but with that skill you only need 3

it's this one

[vague flame]

Ohh I see

[crude cloak]

Oh, I missed that one, mb

I hate how the wiki shows the rankups

[elfin parrot]

yeah i kinda prefer ingame for that lol

[half hatch]

yeah same

[steady osprey]

are they seriously telling us to use jds last in XDC LoA SO tutorial?

[half hatch]

i mean LoA shifts are very interchangeable with each other but yeah, given the dummy has a critical value it doesnt make a lot of sense

their tutorials are also kinda just meant is a base line and often not really that good

but they're fine as a base line

[steady osprey]

btw i wanna ask does XDC have any interaction buff with FWS bcs im lazy to read

[half hatch]

she does

a passive skill

[vernal terrace]

Mei has one for Elysia and Kiana

[half hatch]

it's not limited to fws tbf

technically hofi could proc it but the utility loss is not worth it

[vernal terrace]

But FWS is the only Kiana that can properly support her lol

[half hatch]

yeah

[vernal terrace]

HLE and HoHe can proc the Ely one

[elfin parrot]

i don't think the tutorial is trying to account for additional logic beyond just rotating the team. Ignore any SD interactions for it, but yeah good to be critical of

[half hatch]

wait maybe just stuffing any kiana into the team would be better than TA

[vernal terrace]

[elfin parrot]

me and lyo does think the XDC tutorial is really weird for showing you can end outburst early first though

[vernal terrace]

Wait what?

Game wtf

[elfin parrot]

i guess it's because they already have the format of full outburst last

but wanted to squeeze in that tidbit

[steady osprey]

its tutor 2 with 2 valks SO so...

[elfin parrot]

my other main gripe with XDC's tutorial is there's too much ai chan demonstrations and i can just move on from it without needing to do it myself so i don't learn anything lol

but i digress

[half hatch]

eh idk, it would be the equivalent of 6% phys breach taking mei's impair into consideration and ig phys res isnt that high at the early point of the game

[vernal terrace]

I always complain in my head that I want to do the demonstration myself and not Ai chan

[last hull]

Would anyone like me to use their invite code

[vague flame]

okay maybe i didnt do it right but im following hieu le's tutorial with xentinel badum and fdd & ds,, in their tutorial by the time midphase is done they have like 174 ARI whereas I only get like 150 by the end of it and im rlly confused

[vague flame]

202661369WQ

please and thank you :3

[half hatch]

Make sure you both are on the same server

[vague flame]

Oh true

Noo 💔

[vernal terrace]

May I send mine?

[vague flame]

Im not in NA

[last hull]

Oh I am NA

[vernal terrace]

108754074LP

[half hatch]

Sounds like you're following the chenxue rot, in his DS rot he also only has 150

Oh wait do you mean after the transition

Lemme look again

Make sure you parry the last attack in transition with Kiana CA

Just start holding attack on the beat before the atk one

[vernal terrace]

I tried following that one too but my score goes down below 830

[last hull]

Done

[half hatch]

The timing looks a bit off but it works

[vernal terrace]

[vernal terrace]

The Chen one

[vague flame]

im following this one
https://youtu.be/Pz34R5MCBxY?si=p8ApCm46V0TQhA3f

[vague flame]

whats CA

sorry im like i dont know all the lingo

[vernal terrace]

I was following the Chenxue since I have SS but my score goes below 830 probably cause of my FPS

[vague flame]

i do use charged atk

[half hatch]

Combo attack, it's just holding down her attack button

[vague flame]

yea that

holding her attack button down okay so actually I did that twice but it didnt work the first two times but it worked the third tim eso i am like.confsued

and i had the small indicator for qte as well

[desert robin]

What weapon would be better on raiden mei xentinel?

3rd sacred relic or void blade

Her signature is not an option

[vague flame]

im just confused why it didnt work the first time i did it

[half hatch]

Just do the transition game normally and when it comes to his last phase start holding down attack once the beat before the actual attack you need to parry happens

[half hatch]

Whatever has the higher attack

But spoiler both will be like 50%+ worse than her sig

[desert robin]

I figured

Alright thanks

[vague flame]

i think i am doing that unless im completely misunderstanding but let me try a couple times

ok i got 821

[vague flame]

so if im understanding right you dont properly parry unless you start it earlier?

which is why the ari doesnt get restored?

[half hatch]

Yeah, you need to parry with her CA because that triggers her stellar drain so +20 ari

[vague flame]

its just that i did parry with her CA before and didnt get the ari

[half hatch]

The timing can be a bit weird from time to time

[vernal terrace]

I can somehow do the transition without sound

But I still mess up on the leap part

[half hatch]

I mean the beat is pretty consistent ~~ all the rhythm games paid off ~~

[vernal terrace]

Yeah

Have XDC'S QTE off, it's a bit faster

[vague flame]

bruhhh my fucking mei

i could have goten 837

and she didnt kill

[spiral raven]

my game is muted

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267065291368566806/1401188988957491310/1352732798737186977.webp

[open bone]

I also do it muted

transition is not difficult

[vague flame]

i did 836 without chenxue i think thats the best i can do

[spiral raven]

well

u can post the run if u want to know if theres better things to do

[vernal terrace]

I listen to music on another device

[spiral raven]

well i hab game muted sometimes cuz i forgot to turn it back on, and not always listening to music either

[vernal terrace]

[spiral raven]

but sampo cycle needed it on yea

just for the start

[vernal terrace]

Yeah

[spiral raven]

like its consistent to get the opening but still dumb that if u off by a tiny bit its a -2 lull

[vague flame]

promise to not make fun of me /j

[spiral raven]

we wont lol

[vague flame]

one sec

[vernal terrace]

[vague flame]

https://medal.tv/games/honkai-impact-3/clips/mga1JK9f6K-ukmvtF?invite=cr-MSw3QjMsNzAwNjc4NzU&v=109

small cut during the middle cuz my medal only records 1 min so i had to edit it together

also i dont minmax or try to go higher usually so im not pro at these things

[spiral raven]

is alg

[spiral raven]

can prob skip the atk on the boss after killing two ads and swap off immediately to buff up on supports

should be slightly faster

then the rest looks fine

[vague flame]

it immediatly switches off qte tho which in the end i have to do more to kill the boss on first phase

[spiral raven]

what you mean, that it takes longer to swap her back on or wat
swap cd dont matter cuz ur supports will reset the cd

[vague flame]

by ad umean the 2 things at the start?

[spiral raven]

oh also i just realised u didnt buff up on kiana at all lol

[spiral raven]

yes

[vague flame]

when you kill them with mei the qte switches off tho

[spiral raven]

so u should swap to badum then time her charged atk 3 points later after u kill, so 852

[vague flame]

like u cant qte into kiana

[spiral raven]

thats fine u dont need to qte on badum

qte does little here

[vague flame]

ok so i just switch to her ult switch to cora do her rotation and do mei again?

[vague flame]

oh oka nvm

[spiral raven]

no u switch to her to do charge atk, ur not buffing with only ulting on kiana

but can do ult as well yea

it wont matter too much since ur ulting on cora later (which resets leader qte cd if it was on cd and triggers it), unless u need that bit of dmg ofc

but actually that whole p1 u were fighitng the boss without badum buff lol

[plucky gust]

question: is lantern SS worth?

[spiral raven]

its more value in the support buff imo

but how often u using lamp as support

[spiral raven]

but what aops do u have alr

[willow herald]

SS Vita is still valuable enough to nab when her BP comes around yeah?

[spiral raven]

bp stamps and fragments r really just a matter of how much balls u saved up by that time
but yeah its worth to pick it up, this stuff aint crystals

[plucky gust]

all except seraphium. i got S songque via event just now. all premium AO at S rank

[spiral raven]

oh so u mean stamps

is sonk s2 alr the valk

[plucky gust]

me? i mean songque AO. right now, its S0, really.

[spiral raven]

i mean the valk, ik u just got her, so now u asking about stamps in bp or stamps in what

[vague flame]

actually i got the same score as before

[plucky gust]

currently, S1, 20 shards. i can still get like 15 from BP.

edit: shards, not stamps

btw is SS or +2 better in general?

[spiral raven]

yeah actually it makes sense that you still get buff actually becuz her qte also applies buff i forgot about that
but u should still be slightly faster with timing the charge atk on badum rather than qte tho,
but u kill at same time in p1 as in u had to do extra? for skipping the atk after the ads

[vague flame]

no it was like only 1 point earlier or later i think

or maybe i didnt do it properly

might need to try doing badum earlier

also in AR better to do cora or kiana ult first or doesnt matter?

[spiral raven]

you're prob doing it fine, its just that i was thinking it should be slightly faster if you time the last hit of badum ca rather than qte, but yeah its prob quite small diff

[spiral raven]

it doesnt matter

[vague flame]

okay thanks a lot! i hope you have a nice day/night ^^ im prob gonna work on some studies now

see you guys later and thanks for the help :3

[plucky gust]

anyone?

[spiral raven]

it depends on what the ss is tho

so ur lamp alr s2 and u can get it to ss is that wat ur saying

[plucky gust]

so it depends on the unit if its a DPS or support?

[spiral raven]

no jsut wat the rank offers

[plucky gust]

but isn't SS mostly a DPS increase? for example then, for senadina, its it better to SS or +2?

[spiral raven]

well sena ss is kinda meh

so +2 is a lot better

but also she doesnt do dmg when used as support in wod

[plucky gust]

then for lantern? her SS gives a team buff, not DPS?

[spiral raven]

syn seems better to me

s2+2 should be better than ss+1

also +2 lamp means u can do the 1s kosma strats

[plucky gust]

so SS can't do 0s?

[spiral raven]

u need sp

[plucky gust]

ooh.

wait, if SP is the problem, doesn't SS sera give some of it then? apologies in advance if it looks like im a contrarian, but i just want to know, really.

[spiral raven]

and yea +3% indepndent dmg multilplier is lot bigger overall than what ss gives

[spiral raven]

for the 1s kosmas ur using sparkle as lead, so it will be used with songque aop

[plucky gust]

ooh yea. its kosma. oof me. but then SS songque doesn't give enough SP then?

[spiral raven]

iirc ss songque didnt work, but let me check if it was 0s kosma in the first place

i might be mixing it with sojmething else
cuz ik 0s kosmas specifically was quite whel

[plucky gust]

ooh okay.

[spiral raven]

but regardless of the ma strat +2 is a lot more better than ss

[plucky gust]

so S2 +2 is the strat then?

[spiral raven]

yea

if u are going for lamp

[plucky gust]

hmmm, i might be getting a buyer's remorse with this, but i did SS +1 on thelema. . . is it the right decision?

[spiral raven]

well, the extra freeze is nice, but in most cases s2+2 would probably be better as well

but its not the end of the world

[plucky gust]

oof. and +2 on sena is good as a support too, right?

[spiral raven]

for when freeze matters its prob one less freeze depending on the boss

[spiral raven]

i mean her ranks dont matter other than like sss, so +2 is just better 99% of the time yea

[plucky gust]

wait, didn't lantern still has a dedicated boss? so for that, is SS +1 going to be better, or S2 +2 can compete?

[spiral raven]

s2+2 is just more dmg bro

[plucky gust]

got it. s2 + 2 it is. then moving forwards, how about songque? S2 +2 too?

[spiral raven]

dmg wise yea

[plucky gust]

so the strat is s2 + 2 in general then?

[spiral raven]

i mean just look at the rank itself

s2 ss sonk really doesnt do too much

syn just gives a lot more value

like if its between s2+2 sonk or s0+3 sonk i pick s0+3

theres no general strat

[plucky gust]

my strat for the longest time is: just get the base units and their gear, and upgrade them via bp.

[elfin parrot]

every valk is different overall

[plucky gust]

true. now, should i commit to it then? i have like 61 balls, so i can do +2 on thelema, S2 +2 on lantern, and +2 on songque. . .

[spiral raven]

just do it when it like pushes u to t50 or myriad imo

the shop still stays for quite a while

[elfin parrot]

ultimately an upgrade no matter how good doesn't matter if it's not achieving any difference in results

forgive me though. I haven't been reading the conversation so i can't comment too specifically

necessity aside, luxury can be a valid reason too

but most of all try to inform yourself as much as possible before committing to any decision (esp of any alt options/opportunity costs)

[plucky gust]

won't happen. this requires SS AOs, really. i can fight with just S0+1 as long as i have SS AO of that AR

[elfin parrot]

it can be any threshold lower than that as long as it's a significant change (tangible or personal)

[plucky gust]

i mean it would be easier, sure, but ican't retent without SS aos, really

[spiral raven]

also i just double checked this part, it was 1s kosma, and you needed both +2 lamp and ss sonk yea.

[plucky gust]

ooh thanks for the update

[spiral raven]

for the sparkle cycle i got myriad with s sonk, it kinda more depends on what cycle

[plucky gust]

btw how much balls and fragments does 1 paladin bp gives?

at least 50 shards, right?

[spiral raven]

paladin alone?

or including knight and paladin

[plucky gust]

including all the tiers, since paladin also unlocks knight, right?

[spiral raven]

30 shards and 19 ball

[plucky gust]

so 21 if we include the shop balls huh. . . so its not enough for S2 +2 then. . .

[spiral raven]

normally u just pick syn

[plucky gust]

do we have info on next patch BP?

based on the flow, vita is coming anytime now, right?

[plucky gust]

so just prioritize +2, got it. but ask here still

[spiral raven]

probs

[plucky gust]

wait, in that case, i really need to save those balls then. . .

[spiral raven]

well teri is after sonk

in terms of release date

[plucky gust]

this valk is bait as hell when she was first released. . . and im one of those who got baited. . .

"finally i have a QUA valk after all this time"

then sparkle showed up, and im like: bro

ooh i skipped villv btw so yea.

just got her this patch

[vernal terrace]

Teri is better than Sparkle unless its fire weather

[spiral raven]

if you have lv then she still had some cases for supporting lv too

[vernal terrace]

With her part 1 gear

[plucky gust]

isnt lv symbiosis?

ooh. yea.

[vernal terrace]

Teri can support part 1 Luna

[plucky gust]

frankly, i dont remember any teri refs vs abyss qua for the past months or so. its always either sparkle DPS or support

[vernal terrace]

Vita and QUA pig

Though Vita was in 8.5

[plucky gust]

i vaguely remember 1 ref that uses teri sparkle on vita, but for pig, it was a sparkle boss the moment she showed up

that or the cc just didnt pull for teri so they didnt have her in the first place

[spiral raven]

pig was still teri

[plucky gust]

but then why is my ladder full of sparkle teams, and a once in a blue moon teri team, if there ever is one?

[spiral raven]

idk but i used teri

[plucky gust]

i legit feel that im the only one who pulled teri, really

[spiral raven]

its all up to the whims of the dev for what boss to run for a qua weather

[plucky gust]

true. maybe its just my recency bias or something. i haven't seen abyss piggy. . . only MA one

[spiral raven]

i mean its like 6 months ago so yea

[elfin parrot]

bold for sparkle. non bold for teri

granted sparkle was prob close enough to handle teri's weathers for RL at least. Maybe nirv too depending on the bracket

those teri weathers prob would need a lightning weather to alienate sparkle.

[vernal terrace]

They never made one for Teri sadly

[last hull]

Is G4 better for HFS than Himeko

Or would she still prefer Himeko

Idk why my ass is acting like HFS is relevant but whatever

[elfin parrot]

himeko should be better iirc but not by much? actually let me dig for the video

https://youtu.be/nqL6TndaQho?t=420

[formal wigeon]

there might have been a thing with sparkle support making G4 better on her ?

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lHuaxS-wYE

oh really?

mimi is still using himeko here but yeah idk then

[last hull]

I dont have Sparkle anyways so Im good

Using a 0/4 Ai still

[lapis raven]

stigs farmable

[last hull]

Oh yea everything is farmable now

Is that really worth spending my ether fuel on tho atp

[lapis raven]

hell no

[last hull]

Anyways I have 8K stig resonace, is there anything in the exchange shop I should get or should I just hoard it all

[elfin parrot]

strictly speaking due to its slow rate of income (basically open world weekly finalization for like 200 or so) i would recommend you hoard in case there's some niche case that appeals to you someday with them

realistically this is more for niche MA purposes. For most people that are focused on crystals esp in abyss, it prob isn't so relevant especially when stigmata are craftable and hyper specific to their intended user nowadays.

the main exception of a p2 valk that uses non signature gear in abyss was vita supporting PS dps with aladdin stigs. Maybe LV can see a possible similar scenario consider how sometimes GD puts on aladdin back in the day? But aladdin specifically is a g4 craftable nowadays too

[last hull]

I don't have PS anyways Im cooked on bleed content

Tho tbf I really don't have to worry about abyss for a long time

Im in Sinful II and it's probably gonna take me at least half of the patch to get to RL again

The good part of it is that even though less crystals, I can bruteforce it with more or less anything

[rare iris]

||https://youtu.be/Q9ySog9cPug :pepehmm:||

[elfin parrot]

It was only meant to be an example to transcribe from. Not something to take so directly.

[last hull]

Oh

Mb

[elfin parrot]

I mean if it applies directly to you i would still tell you to wait until the scenario shows up

And see if you really need it for actual outcomes

Overall my advice will always be super conservative

[last hull]

Fair enough

[elfin parrot]

If you have any stigs in particular in mind feel free to ask though

But even newt b and mei m are niche considerations by now

[last hull]

I have those already thankfully

And MA's gotten to the point where you really dont need second copy

[elfin parrot]

Yeah

Esp eventually when you get enough p2 valks

There can be a few weird cases like lantern using beet b for sp

But mostly just sigs

[last hull]

I think there might be something useful in the exchnage eventually like maybe when they eventually add smth like Ai stigs or Aladdin

[elfin parrot]

Yeah

With enough time they might overlap but as long as something is separate and exclusive i can only recommend conservatively

[last hull]

Is there an FAQ on what I should get from the spending events?

[elfin parrot]

Pinned in beginner help

But also

We're in the midst of getting cn news and also waiting for carnival free pulls

So unless there's a forseeable immediate change in important outcome, hold for now

Sorry to be a broken record about this

[last hull]

Nah it makes sense nw

[elfin parrot]

Oh it's pinned here too lol

Any other questions?

[patent night]

hii I have a question

I have 4 S rank P2 valks including kiana with no weapon

Should I go for it? Or should I go for mei but risk not getting her weapon

[elfin parrot]

If you're going to risk getting a new release with no weapon then no i cannot recommend

[open bone]

I also can’t reccomend going for Badum weapon anymore

[elfin parrot]

If you're above 17k you can pull on valk banner while staying above 17k (60pulls). That way if you get lucky you can still go for weapon after the valk.

As for fws herself leave her weapon less at this point

[patent night]

i see okok thank you !!

[elfin parrot]

The idea is to get full value out of a valks meta life with your crystals. In other words get 100% mileage from the crystals you spend.

Fws is a year old and her dps scenarios are rare now. She doesn't need her weapon to support well either.

[patent night]

ok I get it thank you for answering! ^^