💁gameplay-help

[spiral raven]

if u not familiar with that u just fight stuff and its like 10 min most to complete the whole thing

[iron mesa]

I hate that one

[steady osprey]

actually its ER-ish but yeah

but u can complete it in 10mins

[unborn bison]

[dusky mantle]

oh

anyway am i cooked

[iron mesa]

I don't really know what i'm doing, this feels really slow.

[dusky mantle]

imma do a test run lol

[spiral raven]

solo one has no time limit anyways
the team one, even if u just mash random buttons prob is enough to get all rewards

but like it wont drag out that long

[formal wigeon]

Yes

This already felt shit 2 years ago I can only imagine how bad it is now

[steady osprey]

maybe we can plug some p1 shield break set on p2 valk?

[formal wigeon]

Almost everything a P2 valk does to support is on the stigs 3p

So can't really swap stuff

[steady osprey]

i mean like vita aladdin was a thing

[formal wigeon]

Cause Aladdin buffs were completely undiluted in this team

And it was still not by much

[lapis raven]

not that bad, its -10d of mimis last bke run and he got a 589 so surely its retainable in rl

pleblotus

[spiral raven]

rs feels retainable as well, idk why bother trying bke

[dusky mantle]

this???

[lapis raven]

yes

wait no

eins band t, still need the summon silly

dont read the stigs it'll just confuse u further

[steady osprey]

BKE two knights count as summon?

[formal wigeon]

Nope

They're just vfx

That's why she has to use eins to get a summon

[steady osprey]

i saw Abyss Flower, i assume its BKE though

oh the 2pc bonus summon a bot?

[formal wigeon]

Not 2p

Just single stig effect

[dusky mantle]

HMMMMM

HAHAH

[spiral raven]

from exchange u can get it no

[dusky mantle]

yeah

[spiral raven]

but also bro u got dudu just use dudu

[dusky mantle]

i am

[spiral raven]

why even consider bke

[dusky mantle]

double Dudu

[formal wigeon]

That's so not worth it

[steady osprey]

oh so u use this einstein band set to actually give a valk a summon

[iron mesa]

What do I do if I don't know how to play the p2 teams it wants me to play in this event?

[dusky mantle]

i want to see the damage done by the test of time

[dusky mantle]

ngl idk what to get using the balls anyway

[spiral raven]

i can record one ig or something, but have u tried just spamming buttons? dont u get enough for the rewards by randomly spamming

[steady osprey]

isnt there the recommended team? u just use trial valks if u dont have the valk urself

[spiral raven]

yea there should be trial to use

[dusky mantle]

the trick is to press all glowing buttons

[steady osprey]

Star-tempering Clash event plays a bit different from normal gameplay, valks got buffed even change mechanic, like ER

[formal wigeon]

Just use what you already have, the diff between T and B is really small

[iron mesa]

You can get more summons if you mix sets

[spiral raven]

lol where dmg

[steady osprey]

add bleed 😄

[iron mesa]

?

[dusky mantle]

kekek

[iron mesa]

Which one is more important? summons, or damage?

[formal wigeon]

Is hrb P1 still using dkey or is that P2 only ?

[dusky mantle]

forced to use P1 set, to start on support form

i think

[steady osprey]

u cant use p2 set to support bcs it auto put horb in dps mode and u cant switch

[formal wigeon]

The point of the summon is to get weather buff for damage

[spiral raven]

only need the dps to have the summon to eat weather
and then dmg wise mei set on ta if ur using ta is so big

[dusky mantle]

how does RS work on p1 teams? qte ult then dip?

[formal wigeon]

Which gives more to BK than a singular stig

[formal wigeon]

Gotta charge atk iirc

[iron mesa]

How many summons do you need?

[spiral raven]

ground full basic string into charge

[formal wigeon]

1

[iron mesa]

hrb already has them

[formal wigeon]

Only buffs the valk that owns the summon

[formal wigeon]

They really want to make sure P1 stays 6 feet under atp uh

[iron mesa]

I'm assuming it's a weapon skill build then?

[crude cloak]

I mean, it makes sense

[willow herald]

so how do people actually hit 1.4/1.5k atk

[iron mesa]

dkeys

[crude cloak]

All dkeys + actually good affixes

[willow herald]

cause i have almost every dkey and still ain't there

[crude cloak]

It would be strange if they tried to make P1 live longer atp

[spiral raven]

eins t dante mb no

[steady osprey]

pericles good?

[spiral raven]

dont think so

[spiral raven]

well how much is that

[formal wigeon]

On BK nah

[spiral raven]

its only either dkey or affixes

well theres dorm but its prob maxed without trying

[formal wigeon]

I mean it's not like it'd be good either way, they don't need to double down on it

They could throw em a bone and let the new set be a small upgrade just from raw stats if people wanna play the valk in her old team

It'd still be shit but just a little less so

[willow herald]

every dkey except XY sword and brick

[spiral raven]

then ur just lacking in affixes ig

[formal wigeon]

(or maxed gear but wth are you doing if that's the issue)

[iron mesa]

funny numbers brr

I'm even missing dkeys an an atk emblem

[iron mesa]

You can check the stats breakdown, and compare it to mine

My Vita is pretty low, but she doesn't have a single affix

That's atleast 120

[rare iris]

when did you unretire tc

:kappa:

[lapis raven]

wth tencent in gameplay and rui in beginner

all the ancient kids are coming back

[red plank]

gib rot for this team pls i forgor

[spiral raven]

fdd is not good here

[dusky mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/pce-iguanodon-primal-carnage-primal-carnage-extinction-dinosaur-gif-9496198412919700765

[lapis raven]

thats literally u

berwi face reveal

[dusky mantle]

sure

[steady osprey]

damn u re old

[red plank]

no Bita

[dusky mantle]

lies

[red plank]

what to use instead?

[spiral raven]

anyone ws

[edgy hamlet]

I did dudu, fdd, rita

[red plank]

at least gib a recommendation(besides sena)

fws gud?

[dusky mantle]

i know a mecha WS character

[red plank]

not bita

[iron mesa]

I didn't, I'm just trying to get luna b4 new mei

[lapis raven]

sena aint even gonna be recommended as ws supp

ideally u want vita but u aint got her; try thel maybe; she’d be nice since u can try to ari farm on the butterfly

[red plank]

[red plank]

can someone give me a seele/HLE/anyone ref for apop boss

anyone?

[vernal terrace]

Would but me is in Hell Nirv

[red plank]

js a basic rot is fine

i forgor everything abt how to play with seele

[vernal terrace]

Do you have FWS?

[red plank]

yes

[vernal terrace]

Could loosely follow this?

[red plank]

tysm!

[vernal terrace]

You should be able to kill the mobs more easily than I can since I have to SO on them

[red plank]

thnx will do

(tbh i called it a day here but welp)

👨🏻‍🦲

[vernal terrace]

[red plank]

on that note could you mayhaps gib me the seele outfit too-

[vernal terrace]

Nao

[red plank]

if im being honest i dont like the seele gameplay

[vernal terrace]

[red plank]

[obtuse lintel]

wth is happening

the mouse gets swallowed as if it was on a stage or smth

how did i get here

what amn i supposed to use if i dont have horb?

[crude cloak]

Use HoS and cry cuz crit mald xdd

[obtuse lintel]

[crude cloak]

Or try PS DPS ig (probs won't be good)

[obtuse lintel]

sushang?

[red plank]

looks like it's fixed already but for future reference, try Alt + tab in and out of the game, that'll prolly fix it

[steady osprey]

suggestion denied

[crude cloak]

Ye
PS ME JDS should be best

[obtuse lintel]

it didnt

the problem is that somehow while in the survey

i got into the p2 hyperion lobby

[obtuse lintel]

and it "got fixed" because idk how i got into the clock menu

and that allowed me to keep going

[obtuse lintel]

[obtuse lintel]

how does the transition phase in Aponia work? bc this is too low even for this team

[mortal jetty]

You need to dodge the yellow ball and hit it three times forward ×2

[obtuse lintel]

it was looking towards aponia right?

[mortal jetty]

Yeah

[obtuse lintel]

ty

[mortal jetty]

Gl

[obtuse lintel]

idk if i should feel sad or concerned

[vernal terrace]

I'm sleeping since I'm in Nirv

[spiral raven]

I don't know what u got
but badum thel both is fine, depends on dmg and stuff whether u even need to bother to do much evades on thel

[spiral raven]

can also try sonk instead of fdd

[edgy hamlet]

I'll have to find a ref for that because I don't have the mental capacity for this boss anymore

[spiral raven]

https://streamable.com/7oiug0

can try ig

u have more dmg

[edgy hamlet]

Ohh thanks so much. I'll have to try this rotation when I get home

[spiral raven]

should be able to cut stuff out

like the extra basic after sonk shift

probs save a point?

itself is like less than half a point

i did it 3 times so probs a point

can spam more evades in transition if you want more sp for sonk

but ring cd gated

for ari

never thought there be a time when i have full ari before ring cd

[twilit summit]

I got 532 with Dudu/Rita/Songque lol.

[crude cloak]

In A3? Defo improvable xdd

[twilit summit]

RL

[crude cloak]

Well, still improvable

[twilit summit]

I know

[lapis raven]

im at 682

[twilit summit]

But I just 1 tapped

[crude cloak]

Is that with or without Teri

[lapis raven]

$5 i make ref

[twilit summit]

I’m not redoing this boss.

[lapis raven]

with, ds is like 678

not a big difference

[lapis raven]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1qL6yBHERs?&p=2

ds run

teri im just using SO earlier to kill mobs but its awkward since my damage is otherwise the same

[lapis raven]

apo aint that bad dawg

uve not seen the actual terrible bosses

[crude cloak]

Apo is ass if you're going for cap

[twilit summit]

Yea yea yea. I don’t wanna do it

[lapis raven]

well, uve seen fire tank already but fdd was such a huge bail out this round

[crude cloak]

(cuz hitlags)

Otherwise hella chill

[lapis raven]

with hare yea

[lapis raven]

rs team has little to no effect off of that

just a glorified jds spam

i heart susani

-1.5pts every ca on low fps

[twilit summit]

Why try harder when I know I’m just gonna get +0 lol. I should be fine for top 10 cause the scores in my bracket are really cooked lol

[crude cloak]

That's fair, just saying that there's worse xdd

[crude cloak]

Should be able to promo this cycle ngl

[lapis raven]

im t1

[twilit summit]

I’m 2 atm

[lapis raven]

op

lol

[twilit summit]

I’d be surprised if I stay too 3. I’ll probably end up 4th like last rotation lol

Nobody wants to do this boss till they have to seems like. A lot of people are just skipping all together lol

[lapis raven]

oh vinny i recognise that guy

p sure ive seen him in my lobbies before

[twilit summit]

Yea I’ve had him a few times. I appreciate the players who go ahead and get it out the way so I can have an idea where I’m placing lol

[lapis raven]

dont think ive seen u but i think ive seen others with the aura tag too

[twilit summit]

Empress, Tohkashi, Rita are a few I know off top of my head that are Nirvana steady or bouncers

[dusky mantle]

Kekeke

Look. Slacc

[tranquil jasper]

Please what team can I use for Kosma in MA?

[twilit summit]

Wouldn’t it be PS/FDD/LP? Then Badum/HoHE/Songque on the last boss? Or am I mistaken?

[stiff wigeon]

I hate this abyss

[vernal terrace]

You're not the only one

[twilit summit]

This week was probably one of the worst overall.

[vernal terrace]

Next cycle is better for me

[lapis raven]

ps paws jds

gl with that run its very cringe

p2 is just a coin flip cos theres no cues as to when to come in

but ps paws jds s teri gets 39933 so not too bad

[lapis raven]

hh thel vita last boss

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV18esszYExv/?p=9

[obtuse lintel]

Is there any valk that needs other affix than atk? Or nowadays everyone just use atk?

[twilit summit]

Okay gross.

[digital sky]

The highest score is 550 with horb vita hle

Ah. Hello whalesish .at the bottom

Okay well moreso like just hare players

[tranquil jasper]

Damn 😭 thx bro

[lapis raven]

phys valks u can argue cdm

but atk in general does well

iirc for mei tho she wants atk, not 100% sure tho so if someone can fact check

[digital sky]

Theres a s2 hare with 3pc ely premium team, ss1 dw premium team but prom instead, s hare sig wep-ely tb dante m, s0 dw premium team but prom instead

[lapis raven]

whats bro yapping bout

[digital sky]

Sorry?

[spiral raven]

atk yea, they gave her a lot of crit dmg in stig

[formal wigeon]

there can still be some very niche stuff for MA min-maxing but that's rarely relevant, not worth without dupes and mostly not a thing for regular people to worry about

[spiral raven]

for supporting grail u can still run sp max lines on support, since sp is shared in SO, and supports having some sp max lines can mean skipping a few atks

but like this is really just rot dependent

[formal wigeon]

and also goes into the "needing dupes" part because doing that destroys the valk as a main dps

[open bone]

sounds like if that continues you could go for it tomorrow. What are you scoring without hare?

[twilit summit]

Would yall say PAWS is worth the back pull if im pushing for Nirvana?

I can afford it easily but I dunno if I wanna pull her equipment. I’m pulling her regardless for collection purposes

[spiral raven]

if ur puling regardless then u really wanaa pull weap

[twilit summit]

I see. Okay.

[spiral raven]

as for whether its worth. she used quite often as support for coralie and as lead

so yea she kinda gonna stay relevant while cora still gets occasional shills and as for supporting other charas, ehh not so much

[twilit summit]

True. I’ve been getting lucky. Like with Herrscher of Ice I got a weak bracket lol

okay then i pull. Thanks

[spiral raven]

paraylze type counter weathesr against bio mobs is what helia does, she does have some hard shill bosses too like sampo

but idk ig its not the worst to backpull relative to the rest of the cast

[twilit summit]

Okay I was 100% gonna gear Badum already. I just wasn’t sure about PAWS. But I’ll get it all.

[spiral raven]

how muhc xtals do u even have

[twilit summit]

I should be able to get Mei and her gear before even touching my crystals

[spiral raven]

thats a bit too ambitious dont u think

[twilit summit]

I have 65k atm

I’m gonna get all the double bonus after reset

I already have enough Bchips to buy all the packs too

[spiral raven]

well i hope u luck out then in that case. but it is carnival so, their packs r slightly cheaper

[twilit summit]

And the free multi

All it takes is 1

[spiral raven]

i wouldnt have high hopes up tho

[twilit summit]

Oh no. I expect zero luck cause that’s all I have. I keep the bar in hell cause it is a gacha game lol

[spiral raven]

cuz like r u pulling the new releases too

that would make it 3 valks+ 4 weaps lol

the new releases should have prio

[twilit summit]

Well I guess I’ll just have to see when it goes live

[spiral raven]

yea perhaps pause a bit and think bit more on paws

[twilit summit]

If I have to choose who to get equipment for, I’ll go with Badum just cause I like her more and actually care to use her

They come twice so I’ll just do Badum first lol

[digital sky]

I tried horb and it felt sad

But i didnt finish it cuz i ended it early, but ill try again tmmr

[vernal terrace]

I'm not bothering this cycle

I want to be back in RL

[autumn heron]

Which would be better for HoH:E?

[lapis raven]

latter

[hearty yacht]

Bonus damage is pretty useless outside of lv's case

HoHe prefers attack boosts (psy attack or archer attack)

[lapis raven]

ele damage is not good anymore

even for lv; her new gears next week want atk not ele dmg

[hearty yacht]

Ah new gear

[autumn heron]

Even with her DKey?

[lapis raven]

ele damage only adds the amount to ur damage

so the only reason ele damage was preferred on og luna gears was because of her high hit count

and every hit adds on that x amount of damage

[autumn heron]

Wait, Whats Lv's?

[lapis raven]

most valks do not have said hitcount and so they arent able to benefit from it so much

[hearty yacht]

Lunar vow teri

[lapis raven]

anyway, tldr is just go atk

[autumn heron]

Okay, Thanks!

[lapis raven]

only time u consider something else is for phys valks where u can consider cdm; mei wants atk tho cos her stigs already give a ton of cdm

and its phys phys, so phys bleed goes atk too

[autumn heron]

How about for Badum and Finality, do they only need more attack as well?

[lapis raven]

all atk

[lapis raven]

^^

[autumn heron]

Okay!

[vernal terrace]

When testing
4 atk 2 Crit DMG and Pure Attack are close to equal
Pure Attack being slightly more

[autumn heron]

How are these stats?

[spiral raven]

well means prob not too much if ur missing a lot of dkey and dorm not lvl up

also ur stuff is not all lvl up yet is it

[autumn heron]

Wdym?

[spiral raven]

is ur weap and stuff maxed

[autumn heron]

Yeah, their signature and stigmata's

[spiral raven]

65?

[autumn heron]

Yep, and Ely and Hofi having their dkey

[spiral raven]

well then ur prob missing other dkeys

but i was saying stats dont mean too much becuz ur prob not there yet? like agony it prob wont matter, and probs matter for rl trying to promote

[autumn heron]

Only missing judgement, creation and sentience and dorm is only lvl 22

[spiral raven]

no like go to dorm, and click on divine key and then gene limit

and then what is the atk there

[autumn heron]

56..

[spiral raven]

so thats like 100+ atk missing there

ig i went in a roundabout in saying no ur stats arent rly good, but it prob wont matter too much for ur current rank

[quasi pier]

it's something you'll work on overtime, soon it will look something like this

[autumn heron]

Woh

[spiral raven]

so your probably missing another 8 or 9 dkeys, i dont rmb how much does max dorm give compare to lvl 22

[autumn heron]

I can claim one of these

[spiral raven]

i would hold on basically until theres a moment where the 10 atk in there matters.
though they all can be obtained in reserve shop
u dont know if they ever via event or something give one of them out

though that is something probably really unlikely and ur prob fine with just claiming it now lol

[autumn heron]

Do all the DKey's increase the same stats?

[spiral raven]

u get them and then tune them and then u get +10 atk yea
only exception is like the ones from realm of battle, u need to upgrade their lvls for atk and stuff

[autumn heron]

I see

[quasi pier]

some dkeys are also craftable from foundry like pledge of sakura

if you do decide to get either abyss flower or fenghuang down, you won't get the +10 atk until you craft abyss for abyss flower and fenghuang pinions for fenghuang down from foundry first because they need to be synced to each other

[prisma olive]

Other than Kiana ELF, what other ELF can I pick from the free box?

[elfin parrot]

maybe my old guide here can help you #👶beginner-help message
note some examples in it might be out of date by now

but short answers are:

• kiana for fire and lightning
• project bunny for physical
• elysia for ice
• There can be other niche cases like klein for the forced lightning QTE

But all of these are only potent when at 3 stars. While it's best to get a card to unlock the ELF at 2 stars (this is worth 150 fragments instead of 105 from a dupe), i wouldn't do it unless you have additional fragment boxes to push to 3 stars immediately

and even at 3 stars, it's only a situational upgrade. Generally compared to DS, ELFs offer better outburst damage, but worse initial ARI as well as worse damage during non outburst (ARC) state

[prisma olive]

Wow, that's bad

[spiral raven]

atp you only really consider kia elf abyss wise and if kia elf alr 4* then prob klein

[prisma olive]

Yea, I already have a maxed out Kiana ELF anyways

[spiral raven]

then probs klein for ma for occasional hoo bosses

[prisma olive]

HOO?

[spiral raven]

yes hoo
pb can be considered but its only bosses where its one SO for seele

but as d goes up that prob aint the case

so given that its unlikely to happen, might as well just pick up klein and work to get it to 3* for ma basically

[prisma olive]

Origin Mei is still relevant?

[spiral raven]

for some ma bosses

but if u dont care about ma either then u can just pick whatever or keep hoarding

[elfin parrot]

yeah MA isn't really important ranking wise

you only really get more AW from ranking higher.

Clearing bosses is more meaningful for 100 crystals and a prism but that's alot more lenient. Also getting 20 crystals per SSS fight but again that's not too demanding either.

oh i'm super late lol

[steady osprey]

AW is useful for PWO shop

[elfin parrot]

i'm not saying it's useless. It's just not that important. (Edit: useful might be too strong to describe this imo)

before considering PWO shop you can still consider AW for getting valks for dorm squad+errands, as well as elysian realm

some WT valks can still have MA uses too which might be a bit paradoxical/redundant.

anyway generally any extra AW can be appreciated. But don't work a tired arm or leg solely for it.

[dusky mantle]

Look at this slacc

[cunning gull]

damn
any hare user?

[dusky mantle]

Wtf only 2 hare users

Rest are rs me

And the two hare usera are below me lol

[crude cloak]

Gotta get T1 broski

Assuming you have RS

[dusky mantle]

I do

Rs jds fws wahaha

But im out rn

[crude cloak]

Surely you have smth better than FWS

ME, FDD

[dusky mantle]

Fdd?

Idk fdd feels weaker imo idk why

[dusky mantle]

How does rs jds fdd work. Fdd buff then alternate netween rs and jds yeah?

[crude cloak]

Pretty much

[warm lantern]

as a copium option, is sushang or hle a better choice for this abyss?

[crude cloak]

Sushang, Apo has 3* ele res

[warm lantern]

how does this look

[crude cloak]

I'd try Rita JDS as supps

And FDD Rita afterwards

[warm lantern]

what makes rita a better sup here? iirc, for past abysses with sushang the comp was vita and fdd

and welp my songque doesn't have wp so prob out of question =))

[crude cloak]

Ye, definitely

[dusky mantle]

Speed

[crude cloak]

The only PS cycle we had since ME's release is Lantern, and the comp was FDD Rita iirc

[crude cloak]

The buffs are very good too

[warm lantern]

what's the rotation for rita in loa?

let's say standard rot

[elfin parrot]

i don't actually know but

• what does the 3pc stig effect say?
• what's the condition to her stellar drain?
  those are usually the main things you want to check

and well you can also check references even of other fights and see if rita there does anything unexpected, then investigate from there more into her skill descriptions

a standard rotation is just looking to keep buff/debuff times up while the dps attacks

but keep in mind for LoA, you do want to swap across the team for the 15s cd heavenly link and ARI regen

[crude cloak]

Her CA is very slow, you generally wanna avoid that

[half hatch]

Generally you'd do smth like trow PS umbrella -> swap to Rita -> Eva -> WA and make sure that wa triggers fdd's Qte for your opener
After that it's pretty simple tbh just Qte if heavenly link is available and WA if you have stellar drain, normally you'd want to reset the leader Qte with fdd just because rita takes a lot of time to do that with her ca

[crude cloak]

In SO you just swap her in and ult + WA

[edgy hamlet]

@spiral raven Am I missing some evades on Aponia? Im like 5-6 ARI short every time where the runs ends

[spiral raven]

if u watch my run, when i do rita combo wep, the wep here sneaks some dodge off apo's atk

its pure rng

u can solve this by qte on rita after que before this

its just -3 points

[edgy hamlet]

ok so QTE to songque then use her fish? to QTE onto Rita and then SO?

[spiral raven]

that order can work? i suppose

i was thinking earlier after you ulted on dudu and did the ca, you know how you swap to sonk to fish then back to dudu

just after fish go rita for qte then to dudu

that will get you the ari needed

if you still short by 1 or something then its just ari being funny

[edgy hamlet]

ohhh I see, that's probably faster yeah

Even the first SO is finnicky as hell. Sometimes I'm just sitting at 199/200 😭

[spiral raven]

its also the same for your start,

basically after qte rita wep at the start, u can be at 154/155,

if 155 rita then when you swap to que to do fish, u will defo be at 195

then dudu ult leaves you at 197 and then the ca will give you the right ari with no need to pause

but if rita not 155 its still ok,

the thing to reset is if in between jds qte and fish the ari stops at 173 or not.

it can stop at 172 which is reset or keep ticking to 173.

[spiral raven]

yea a lot is rng

[edgy hamlet]

What does pausing do?

[spiral raven]

i was still cooking

so nothing

[edgy hamlet]

Ah ok lmao

[spiral raven]

[edgy hamlet]

Also that transition with Rita evades looks kinda hard

[spiral raven]

its mostly for sp for sonk

u dont need to do too much

u saw how early i got the full ari for ring

u can skip a lot

[edgy hamlet]

I skipped it and was missing tons of ARI still

[spiral raven]

oh

[edgy hamlet]

I guess I can't skip it all lol (just some?)

[spiral raven]

important thing here is rita qte hitting

end of p1

[edgy hamlet]

Yeah I had around 61 or so ARI at that point

[spiral raven]

oh then ig u miss too much evade

[spiral raven]

if you at 100 ish

its good enough

[edgy hamlet]

Is it like Thelema evade spam where you have to mix jump and evades together?

[spiral raven]

yes

[edgy hamlet]

I see

[spiral raven]

but also ig it just takes a bit of practice to know the timing

tho i wouldn't call it hard?

that run i posted didn't even do it that well

[edgy hamlet]

Ok Ill try it again with the new tips. thx again

[spiral raven]

yea i had another look in my own run so if you got anything like 98 or 100 is prob enough?

im not sure when u can stop because i never really tested the minimum ari

[spiral raven]

honestly even 90 looks fine?

i have no clue but the evades in transition aren't bad yea

[edgy hamlet]

90? gotcha

[spiral raven]

u gotta be the person testing it out
i mean i cant even if i want to lol

[edgy hamlet]

Oh yea ig it's closed on your server lmao

[spiral raven]

oh i see what u mean by pausing thought u meant my vid, actually i didnt mean it literally,
i meant like how in ur run u were at 199 and had to wait a tiny bit for 200,
if u qte on dudu and its 197 i meant after ca, u be at 200 and basically can insta ring

[edgy hamlet]

ok yea I found out that 197 is indeed the magic number

[spiral raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267065291368566806/1401188988957491310/1352732798737186977.webp

[spiral raven]

and u prob realise it later but u get 197 if the ari doesnt stop regen at 172 before sonk fish lands

so you can reset at 983 basically

saves you some irl time

but at the same time, idk if the half a point would matter too much for you

but if you chasing for cap then yea

[edgy hamlet]

I think that half a point matters less when I lose like 3-4 points due to that extra Rita QTE because the RNG won't ever work for me

[spiral raven]

[edgy hamlet]

I've legit gotten it once out of 10 runs now 😭

[spiral raven]

yea nah, its quite low lmao

i gotten it off once in 30 mins and then just slept afterwards and not bothered

lucked out

[edgy hamlet]

honestly great plan. I'm just gonna get whatever run in and hopefully I retain

I hate this boss

[spiral raven]

tbh its ok for dudu runs tho cuz other than the rng, everything else is kinda ok (just ignore the fact that score is trash)

i tried playing hare and kept getting tazed

its not fun

hitlag is kinda insane lol

[edgy hamlet]

ig I should count myself lucky for not owning her lol

[spiral raven]

[pearl raven]

Don't know where to post this but if you've watched the livestream, is that event a continuation of a previous one?

[sturdy vortex]

Question, returning after like 1 year, should i keep this acc and just use another one to relive the story or restart entirely?

[sturdy vortex]

also have sparkle, hofi hotr and luna thats not mentioned there

they all have their gear from 1 year ago (saying this since they may have gotten a new one like hofi) except ai, jade calico and cosmic

[warm lantern]

keep. you have some usable p2 valks

[sturdy vortex]

which are?

[warm lantern]

vita, songque, theleme. only lantern is questionable, but at least better than none

[sturdy vortex]

none of these are good anymore? asking cuz maybe u didnt see it

[warm lantern]

sparkle, hofi (new wp), luna (new wp next ver) can be used, not the best option but can can score fine in their comps

[sturdy vortex]

i c, and whats the pull priority for me? currently have 28800 xtals, 21 char tickets and 7 weapon tickets

[warm lantern]

maybe hofi is best in comp, but it is rare'

[craggy plume]

new valk + weapon when you can get both which should be possible next patch

[sturdy vortex]

if i do get lucky and have a bit spare, should i get luna's weapon too or nah?

ofc i'll save for worst case scenario first but still

[craggy plume]

Luna wep would be good just so that you at least have something with correct astral ring tag.

[sturdy vortex]

i c, how do i know which chars are meta rn?
and their alternatives

[craggy plume]

check the last link for information for P2 teambuilding.

[sturdy vortex]

thanks! thats all

[craggy plume]

Abyss generally wants a specific dps with two matching supports depending on the combination of boss and weather. The dps it wants biased towards the most recently released valks, so basically every new valk is meta in this way and that is why getting new valks is an priority as older valks don't get new bosses very often.

You can look at something like this for a breakdown of this patch bosses, to get an idea of what they want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FiSOdW-rEc

[weak oracle]

bruh... how you're supposed to deal with fatass shields on boss?

[mortal jetty]

What team do you have?

[weak oracle]

basically almost everything from p2

including dkeys

[mortal jetty]

You can try dudu rita and fdd

[weak oracle]

horb does not work? cause my s0 horb doesn't do anything

[normal cloak]

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[crude cloak]

RS ME JDS is best

[mortal jetty]

Not the best

[crude cloak]

She's worse unless you have Synergies

[crude cloak]

How do the scores compare

[mortal jetty]

I tried both team and songque support team was doing less than fdd

[crude cloak]

I think I had the opposite experience
Was that with or without Teri

[mortal jetty]

Teri

[crude cloak]

Maybe I'm misremembering then

[weak oracle]

the shields are so annoying (dudu-spyrita-dracolie)

[mortal jetty]

It can probably depend on the rot but fdd was better when I tried

[crude cloak]

Yeah, you should be able to 700 at least

[mortal jetty]

Can probably do a bit higher if you want

[crude cloak]

Maybe a lil bit lower if affixes are ass

[spiral raven]

sonk better for me as well

rank/syns can change it tho

s0+1 fdd is trash for me

[crude cloak]

Wait, your FDD is +2 iirc

Mine is +1

[mortal jetty]

Could be

But i am missing damage with songque

One more synergy can not be +10

[spiral raven]

wuts ur score

[mortal jetty]

618

[sturdy vortex]

is there a guide for the dailies cycle? like, fastest way to do them or smth like that
nikke has one of those so i was wondering

[spiral raven]

is that sonk, i got 625

[spiral raven]

probs not u just click lite and stuff and just follow what is listed on daily no

its much faster than nikke tho

[sturdy vortex]

i c, thanks

[crude cloak]

For the "Story Stages" mission you can just do some automatic Expeditions

(or, you know, actual story )

[mortal jetty]

Run where?

[spiral raven]

cook urself prof slack
https://streamable.com/7oiug0

[mortal jetty]

I already cooked u noob... 613 vs 618

[spiral raven]

prof didnt cook hard enough smh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1260875029957181461/1398258893439893574/1752451197679.gif

[mortal jetty]

Could have been same score but fps issue

[spiral raven]

i see

[vernal terrace]

[mortal jetty]

I will wait for your shampoo run tmr ...superlao

[spiral raven]

no thx

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1063873280840314911/1144124010515406928/58255904f987bc06.gif

[mortal jetty]

TheWhalelord

[spiral raven]

whel where

[elfin parrot]

Everywhere

[spiral raven]

hi megawhel

[elfin parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/505602263524442113.gif?v=1

[vernal terrace]

Whels everywhere

[last hull]

Sorry for the somewhat vague question, but what would we say is the health and state of meta compared to before I quit? (Pre 7.0, essentially, P1 vs current P2)

Im bored so I wanna know how P2 systems and meta works because my knowledge is minimal

[dreamy vapor]

I'm not a big gameplay expert, but even i can tell the state of the meta is much healthier than in part 1 by quite a lot. Teams are more modular, signature stigs are craftable so you really only need to pull for valk + weap, etc

[vernal bronze]

The hell am I supposed to use here?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430057371641970708/937132370899894315/unknown.png?ex=69a62208&is=69a4d088&hm=49a0e00d38d2d72714b19bcb90073a24694ad3e9e2681c380dd071f8ad83bd82&

“You should try Hor because she might have a better score”
(Five years ago btw)

[half hatch]

Can try both Horb/vita/FWS and thele/me/hle
Both scored kinda similar for me so it depends on who you'd have the better aop/rank for

[half hatch]

Do you understand how team building works with p2 now ?

That's probably the best starting point

Since a lot in p2 evolves around the mechanic that also is the fundamental for team building

[pine harbor]

Why my HoRe is not starting in Soul Shaper form?

[spiral raven]

i mean its also dependent on weather on some weathers that's just not true, like clock no sushang is just demote supporting helia.
in terms of straight cost for s0+1 yeah its cheaper but at the same time, that cost just got moved to syns thats it, and especially dkey syns, and also we've also basically spent more on aops in the past 2 years then all of elfs combined already

and in old nirb u can still retain (when +0 became thing) but -100/+100 or some others to float or do well without the full gear on everyone

but game is more ded for sure so its cheaper now

[dreamy vapor]

some weathers yes, its not a guaranteed every cycle to be easy, i was more referring about the state of it as a whole over the last 2 years as a whole

teams and gearing being more affordable has somewhat evened the playing field imo

[elfin parrot]

what gear is she using? Is this her old gear? if so, what toggle is the passive set to?

if it's her new gear then you don't control that with the toggle anymore.

[pine harbor]

I'm using the new stuff, but as support for DW.

[elfin parrot]

that doesn't make sense then. Switch back to her older gear

[quasi pier]

new gear doesn't have any p1 support buffs

[pine harbor]

[quasi pier]

new gear forces horb into dps form

[pine harbor]

She can use Soul shaper on AO so I thought it was the same, since there's nothing in the gear description saying she can't be in SS as P1 support.

[spiral raven]

just read the stigs, 90% of the buffs are for ring

dw won't eat any

[quasi pier]

support form is only in grail teams

if you want her to be a p1 phys support, switch back to old gear

[vernal bronze]

What about for this account?

The Lena and sis hang are not built, only stigmata, no weapons

Damn autocorrect

[pine harbor]

Now I just need to remember how to play Mistel again

[spiral raven]

dudu fdd badum

[last hull]

Yes but very vaguely. To my understanding

AR characters has certain sigils/attributes lines, you ideally want units of the same AR sigils to maximize buffs and damage for everyone

[spiral raven]

otherwise horb badum vita

[pine harbor]

There's nothing saying this in-game.

[dusty dagger]

It's like right there

[pine harbor]

That's the wiki, read the gear in-game, nothing mentions it.

[quasi pier]

it's in her astral ring skill tree

[dusty dagger]

[elfin parrot]

NA has 2 hours left before abyss closes btw. Maybe just take our word for now and prioritize getting your run done. Aponia can be possibly maldy

[dusty dagger]

I didn't do abyss yesterday

Oops

[last hull]

Dominance Aponia?

[spiral raven]

the wiki gets it from game
can just click on weapon as well
mine is Chinese but u get it at same spot

[last hull]

Or just aponia

[elfin parrot]

yes currently this is dominance aponia ongoing

but that statement wasn't meant to be for you

[last hull]

I know

Is there actually anyone that can take advantage of Dominance weather itself since DW

[spiral raven]

horb

but she gets type countered by boss

[last hull]

Oh

Oh yea I forgot Diana and Flora are summoned entities

[elfin parrot]

even back in p1, there are some weathers that aren't really considerable with other teams. I'm not sure why that point had to exist for p2 specifically. People still seem to be bruteforcing plenty in RL or lower

I never really thought of the costs moving to syns + gacha aops when that's largely whale considerations. I do agree the cost prob balances out in a way like say if you pursue a p1 sp farmable (roughly 90 rolls) with a p1 gacha (80+140 rolls?) vs two p2 gachas (roughly 80k). Even in P1, i considered gacha ELFs arguably unreasonable to pursue as f2p.

The way i see it, the lower cost per valk (and arguably carrying of pity) makes it easier to ensure people don't wind up with something partial that's greatly ineffective (many people were winding up with missing critical b stig pieces in p1). Aside from that, the longer patches and other slight increases in income (events) does help as well. (also possibly the reduction in competitive playerbase as you mentioned but this is weird for glb)

New Nirv is a bit weird to consider now in glb so I'll refrain from trying to note anything there as well.

It sounds like you're speaking at the high end of the game as a spender but i don't really see that from the initial inquiry.

[spiral raven]

the point was about calling p2 being much more modular part

and when talking about meta i feel like its only natural i speak from that point on no?

[elfin parrot]

i wouldn't assume a higher investment level. Start from f2p unless the person specifies otherwise

[last hull]

This reminds me of another question

How dependent are units on their supports? I know it doesn’t work like the old P1 dynamic anymore, but how make or break are AR BiS supports for characters compared to the next best option? Does it depend on the AR sigils/attributes of a given character?

[elfin parrot]

teams can get pretty bricked in p1 from missing a single component. That's less so the case in p2 with the astral ring team building system.

towards the end of p1, a few teams may have had some exceptions though (e.g. kira support on lv)

but if you were missing hos it was pretty bad

whereas missing fdd nowadays isn't a complete deadlock at least for RL and below

[pine harbor]

Yeah, found it. My brain was skipping it for some reason.

[elfin parrot]

i will say getting started got a lot more awkward in p2 at least

[spiral raven]

i mean you can talk about as meta conditional on f2p then yeah you get to complete gears easier in that sense

but when i think of meta alone i always think of the leaderboards, so i feel like it should be the opposite but considering that most people are probably not that kind of players then sure

[last hull]

How do yall know if a unit is a must pull (eg Vita, Coralie, etc) or is much more niche and not as needed or urgent to get?

As to P1

[pine harbor]

There's not much "need" to get old valks unless you are a sweaty player.

Supporting always goes foward on P2.

[last hull]

I mean like when a unit comes out

[dreamy vapor]

Depends honestly as far as i know

[formal wigeon]

As long as you have 2 compatible valks it generally does fine (tho as usual top nirv will require the best options)

[spiral raven]

just pull all now with longer patches, but it just depends on its performance in cn and beta

[last hull]

I thought u quit

[pine harbor]

My only problem with P2 so far is QUA weathers.

[elfin parrot]

back in p1 we focused more on supports since they were foundational to several teams and later on can dps on their own

this changes in p2 when everyone can operate as a dps or as a support. Things are more balanced in a way such that it's not as punishing to have lesser options as long as they fit the team (but at a high level you still want to focus on the best options)

[pine harbor]

Sine I don't have both QUA valks.

[formal wigeon]

Oh I haven't opened the game in close to 2 years

[spiral raven]

u won't need to backpull at all if u don't care about leaderboard

[last hull]

Oh lol

[pine harbor]

Vita is good because she can support everything and is pretty much future proof.

[formal wigeon]

she can't and she isn't

[quasi pier]

no she can't

[pine harbor]

I don't, I'm F2P I only care of staying RL.

[quasi pier]

she can't support anything past LoA

[last hull]

This is Hi3 no one is future-proof

[elfin parrot]

i don't have any absolute rules and it's always going to boil down to actual data and results, some we may not have enough foresight by the time it reaches us but

• if the valk has team breach in their kit (sena, vita, fdd coralie)
• if the valk was released on cny or anni
• if the valk has SD typing with new utility since they tend to be used together
• if the valk has a locked skill, it doesn't automatically mean you should pick them up, but you do need to start picking up some of them before the next new ring type shows up. They might release 3 or so locked skill valks before this happens

those can be some vague markers. Again no absolute rule here.

[pine harbor]

LoA? Mei?

[last hull]

The upcoming Mei would be a decent pick then?

[formal wigeon]

basically any valk on release is a decent pick now

[elfin parrot]

sure. In simplest terms, there's less need to cherry pick specific units in p2 as opposed to p1

[quasi pier]

Law of Ascension

the astral ring type

[pine harbor]

How long has been since Vita has been out? 2 years? There's also the problem of Rite of Oblivion have like 3 valks.

[last hull]

Ah, so it’s just picking and educatingly guessing based off of AR buffs, attributes, and coverage to determine worth?

[formal wigeon]

about 16 months-ish

[last hull]

Wait 7.8 was 2 years ago?

[elfin parrot]

so as long as you have enough to not miss their weapon, getting newer release is more of the general rule of thumb

although if the new release seems niche (qua typing, older ring type, encouraging infrastructure you don't already have like some gacha op for ARI or supporting some p1 team you don't have), or simply not good in live/testing then you may consider shying away

[last hull]

[formal wigeon]

october 2024

[last hull]

Oh lol nvm

[formal wigeon]

so i'm not that close to 2 years either then, forgor I did play for a week or 2 on Vita patch

[last hull]

That makes sense, I see there still is some old rule of thumb that still applies

Need for AR support also depends Im guessing?

[elfin parrot]

If you want to speak on that high end of the spectrum then i understand but it's imo not something to default to esp for a player returning to the game that isn't anywhere close to that.

Meta doesn't necessarily mean the top of the leaderboards. It just refers to any kind of... greater plane of approach to the game established from how other people are playing it. That sounds incredibly pretentious tbh.

Anyway i think we're on the same page now.

[pine harbor]

Which is like, 2 valks. She's pretty much BiS in 80% of the current lineups.

[quasi pier]

she can't support Grail teams

[last hull]

Isn’t Elysia a new attribute

[quasi pier]

and she's not bis anywhere other than World Star

[formal wigeon]

and even there it's a really contested spot

[pine harbor]

That's what I meant, there's 2 grails so far, no?

She can still support everything else.

[last hull]

Oh forgot to follow up how big is the gap on average?

[pine harbor]

I'm not saying she's a must have btw, I just think it's funny how good she is to everything else.

[spiral raven]

i mean yea meta alone don't mean that, but we playing pvp gacha game so it feels like, like its not to come off as pretentious but like having played multiple gacha games with pvp systems then it becomes quite common to only really care about the top at that point.

and meta itself is just referring to the most efficient tactics

[formal wigeon]

that can vary a lot, but generally low enough to be able to do fine in RL (outside some specific boss gimmick that could screw you) or even scrap by some nirv retains

[elfin parrot]

yeah weapon is still always important. The only exception i will make for this is if you get an old valk for free. You woudn't want to catch up on their weapon in that case since the crystals you spent that way aren't achieving 100% mileage.

Not really sure what you mean by the latter sentence, but with enough quantity of new releases will give you enough infrastructure to make all sorts of teams. Even if they're not the best, p2 is more balanced that supports that matches won't lose too much (5-10% usually, but can be as bad as 15%. Damage isn't everything though. utility and animation speeds can matter too)

[last hull]

Interesting

[last hull]

Like whenever there’s a new AR support is it a must pull, or will I only need certain ones for better coverage?

[formal wigeon]

every valk is a support (and a dps)

[last hull]

Cause from my understanding, LoA is dead without Theresa, and even further back like w JD u needed Serapeum for CRIT, but idk ab other AR supports

[pine harbor]

That's the main problem with P2, you can't pick

[elfin parrot]

i think it more depends on the player asking at that point. It's pretty easy for other people to feel pressured and feel enforced upon otherwise.

The most efficient tactics differ from different backgrounds or in this case different amounts of available investments.

And really, plenty of people are coming in for waifu reasons rather than only really caring about the top. I don't disagree that meta is common of a priority, but other non meta reasons are also common.

[pine harbor]

Since they are both DPS and support

[formal wigeon]

oh you meant Aops

[pine harbor]

You can't really afford to skip much.

[formal wigeon]

you can do fine without them for RL/low nirv bounce

[elfin parrot]

but anyway this is getting to become more about my pov rather than any actual disagreements i have with your initial points.

[pine harbor]

And since HI3 mean new valk = new weather gimmick it's even harder to skip.

[elfin parrot]

!faq gachaops

!faq gacha op

why am i blanking on this faq name lmfao

!faq gachaop

[night parcel]

Should I Pull AstralOps?

NOO CAPTAIN!

If you are a f2p meta player, you should not pull gacha AstralOps - only players who are retaining or trying to retain Nirvana should consider it if they have the funds (unlikely for f2p players).

Reasons:

• Dreamseeker is good enough despite being free.
• Too expensive, especially if they need SS (~20-30k).
  • AstralOps have the same cost as a gacha weapon, therefore pulling one may result in being unable to afford a Valkyrie's weapon down the line (for meta players, this means skipping said Valkyrie entirely).
• The damage and score increase they provide in Redlotus and below is often minimal and not needed to retain.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[last hull]

Ok yea that makes sense too you dont wanna backpull old units ur not getting ur investment fully repaid

[elfin parrot]

yeah every unit kinda has this meta shelf life. They're not all the same but we can't forsee it either. All we can do is aim to maximize the value of it

[last hull]

Oh interesting, Ops looked pretty big to me

Like how Serapeum gave JD guaranteed crit, or how Theresa lets u use LoA QTE twice

Unless Im just wrong lmao

[pine harbor]

I never pulled AOPs, but I'm slowy staring "meta" elves, though it seems pretty useless.

Doesn't seem to make much difference over entropy.

[elfin parrot]

they can be big but it's relative and context dependent. For most intents and purposes (ex RL and below) they're highly unnecessary to retain with

[formal wigeon]

well they are pretty big generally, but price be big too

[last hull]

Ah F2P just doesnt have the means to secure them, I got it

[formal wigeon]

if you miss a valk for an op you're not in a better spot overall

[last hull]

So basically just ELFs

[formal wigeon]

yup

just elfs with kinda more visible gameplay impact

[last hull]

MAN did Kiana and Project Bunny feel bad to skip tho

[formal wigeon]

Kiana 4* still good as an aop btw

[elfin parrot]

there can be an arguable scenario where a developed account can skip a valk release for a gacha op

the gacha op would be a more vertical investment to better retain in nirvana

the skipped valk will hopefully be covered well enough with other options the account already has to not drop out of RL

but this is quite advanced to consider

[last hull]

LMAO RLY

[spiral raven]

its fine, but I'm just saying from my view that if someone says for sake of meta, i am going to think of this person wanting to be top of leaderboard, and
whether its possible or not in terms of how much they willing to spend is just something we slowly backtrack kind of, and walk down the ladder.

rather than thinking of starting from the bottom and then slowly climb up which is what you're suggesting to assume as f2p to begin with.

but yeah im not saying they can't have other reasons, but if you mention meta, and in my experiences with other games, it tends to be the walking down from up, rather than starting from bottom to up

[elfin parrot]

there's times where i do consider from the top and move my way down too so i understand that (ref copying especially)

[formal wigeon]

she obviously struggles on the AR regen side against gacha aops, but purely dmg buff wise she's up there

[last hull]

This is basically gambling on if devs shill the AR attribute enough post-valk debut?

[elfin parrot]

but it would be kinda ridiculous for people to copy the biggest whale in the server if i really have to be blunt and ridiculous about this lol (that's definitely not what you were saying)

[elfin parrot]

not specifically AR attribute. But just any aspect of the new valk

otherwise yes it's a bit of a gamble. Brackets aren't always consistent in how lax or sweaty they are either

[last hull]

Oh ops help generate white heat points?

[elfin parrot]

fwiw i skipped rita (img lightning) but got 7th in an RL bracket with HoO dps

it's not always going to be like this but just to give you a vague idea of how it can play out

[formal wigeon]

that's their main thing yeah, they get you into outburst quicker to speed up the rot

[spiral raven]

well yea i mean as for refs, its a bit different, but i was mainly thinking in terms of working out how to spend or what to spend, based on the spending available

[last hull]

Wuhduh HoO still viable?

[elfin parrot]

in red lotus it can be common to use one outburst to finish the fight

whereas in nirvana the fights are bulky enough to more commonly expect 2 outbursts. So being able to use a gacha op to restore ARI back into a second outburst can be crucial

[last hull]

Ah just Nirv being Nirv

[elfin parrot]

she got buffed by HoFi's new gacha dkey weapon

but is kinda replaced now by Rita who shares her damage + typing

[last hull]

I assume you have SS+ trio too right

[elfin parrot]

gacha ops can help rush you into an initial first outburst too but that's a bit more minior

[spiral raven]

she still shares same cap score on old ma bosses with rita, just not newer ones (except for otto actually but on eu there was nobody who got that, idk on na, the run is kinda ass)

tho ur not talking about ma

[last hull]

For it to still be viable

[last hull]

Well MA is piss easy cause it’s moreso just abusing time mechanics rather than damage output

But yea I get what u mean

[spiral raven]

i wouldnt say ma easy tho, some runs takes lot more time than my abyss

[elfin parrot]

SS1 HoO

HoFi ranks don't matter in this case. Mine is S1 but the meta standard is SS or something at this point idr

I prob used eden? Who is maxed.

HoTr could be used but you do lose HoO's ult. My HoTr is SS.0

[last hull]

Fair I should say “simple in theory”

[elfin parrot]

i think MA is a bit more complicated because the timer mechanics are more manipulated there

[vernal terrace]

Marut is a pain in the ass

[elfin parrot]

so there can be very unconventional sequences there

but also the reward from MA isn't as rewarding as abyss

[last hull]

Yea abyss always felt much more worth it to me I never really liked MA much

[elfin parrot]

it's just different. I do have a friend who enjoys MA more than abyss

[last hull]

Outside of the creative ways people invented 0s kills on SS bosses

[elfin parrot]

but yeah abyss gives more crystals basically

or rather it gives crystals from performing well.

You can just clear MA and get the crystals that way. Ranking high basically gives more AW

[formal wigeon]

MA is nice when you can do the thing (and tilting when doing the thing leaves the boss at 1%)

[elfin parrot]

there are creative things for SSS bosses now too

some quite notorious imo lol

[last hull]

True

[formal wigeon]

cooking up MA strats generally felt more rewarding to me because you can really abuse the stuff in the game rather than just "do bigger dmg faster"

[spiral raven]

the rot can get quite freaky basically depending on susani and tf available, also some animations has none of that, so part of planning is ensuring coverage of tf for animations without sus ani itself.

[last hull]

That’s also true, I did like SS kills

[elfin parrot]

there's more mechanics to work with in MA is kinda how i see it

whereas in abyss, there can be unconventional rotations esp with a transition period but

alot of times it's easy to fall into a more basic rotation structure

and both are fine or bad depending on what you're in the mood for

[last hull]

Oh another question

How big are the DKeys? Given that they add AR to old characters

Do new DKeys still give global buffs?

[elfin parrot]

they still do. in fact they expanded on that for better/worse

the first copy gives +10 atk as usual

second and third copy gives +5 atk each

[last hull]

Ew

[formal wigeon]

up to the point of getting dumb stuff like that (a 5 min run for 20s kill)
https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV14e2SBKEvH/

[elfin parrot]

at this point we are going to have 4 stellar keys (gives astral ring mechanics): HoFi HoHE HoRb LV

so whales can have +40 atk over people only going after one copy lol

[last hull]

Do we think FoV will get one? Or hard to really say

[elfin parrot]

hard to say

[last hull]

Fair

[formal wigeon]

nobody knows

[elfin parrot]

i'm not here to speculate sorry. I can only give you info

[formal wigeon]

there's really no pattern to it at all

[elfin parrot]

i will only say that now that luna is getting one, we don't need to only consider herrschers anymore lol (that was never to firmly to go by to begin with)

[last hull]

That’s fair, sorry

[elfin parrot]

nothing to apologize for. it's a fair question. Best i can tell you is to keep an eye on #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins for future official info

anyway as for the valk themselves it's a bit hit or miss. Some gain some notable uses while others are more niche or lackluster

[formal wigeon]

the only thing we can say is that there hasn't been a new valk in her exact type/element yet so the spot is technically still open

[elfin parrot]

regardless, it's kinda common of them to not keep their dps niche in the meta too long which matches up with the lower cost (only 60 pulls for weapon) and how they were already doing it in p1 anyway (can look at HoT 7T dkey to LV release, or HoR dkey to Thelema although the two scenarios differ a bit)

[last hull]

Bio characters were so weirdly discriminated against in P1 Im still baffled by how long it took for them to make them between patches

[elfin parrot]

ultimately this isn't any guarantee though. Just historical observations that can change on a whim

i feel bio has been more emphasized well in p2 as of late with PS sushang and PAWS helia but maybe that's more of my bias

[last hull]

Has there ever been a bio ice dps

[formal wigeon]

SW

[quasi pier]

silver wing

[last hull]

Oh yea

The literal patch I started playing on

Me stupid

[formal wigeon]

tbh they are still the only 2, they just were in a row so they leave more impact

[elfin parrot]

yeah lol

i thought there may have been one more but i realized there wasn't

[formal wigeon]

tho lamp is also the only psy

outside dkey stuff

[last hull]

It still feels weird to say the last P1 bio valk before FoV was Aponia

[elfin parrot]

but also the type emphasis has felt... less polarizing. Partially because SD types exist which are unresisted, but also because individual valks have been more accessible to reduce gaps and need to bruteforce as much in an account? idk. Maybe we can bring back the argument that some abyss niches are polarizing too and you just sleep if you don't have the one thing they want.

[formal wigeon]

4 SD, 2 qua, 2 img, 2 bio, 3 mech, 1 psy (+img, psy, psy, psy dkeys but that's the p1 psy bias on big valks )

[foggy vapor]

How cooked is ~400 for agony?

[spiral raven]

ask ur bracket

[last hull]

I still am a little sad that HRB was not QUA, tho ig it makes more sense lore wise

[spiral raven]

is ur bracket alive or ded, 400 can be good or bad

[elfin parrot]

it doesn't truly make sense since they deviate sometimes from the lore anyway

and while we had some prominent psy herrschers, others do exist

psy ended up being double edged back to horb because it caused her to have competition with luna who kinda took her weathers back in p1, but it's not like the devs could've completely foresighted that

[last hull]

Is it fair to say P2 is significantly cheaper despite there only being S-ranks?

[elfin parrot]

but qua prob would've been underwhelming, or if they choose to emphasize it, too annoying for the playerbase

[formal wigeon]

eeh it averages to a similar spot kinda

tho P1 required you to pretty much skip most of the big flagship S dps so it felt worse to end up there

[elfin parrot]

it kinda evens out at first

but with the longer patches per release and slightly higher event income it kinda is cheaper relatively now i guess you can say

i would more say it just has friendlier systems once you really understand it (albeit unfriendly for very new players starting out for a while)

[last hull]

I was so sad when I skipped DW, I liked her gameplay so much and then they ended up shilling her ass like crazy too

[formal wigeon]

she's having her last fight now o7

[finite barn]

depends your goal ig? like to maintain the same level of competition as before its not really cheaper, but to get more valks total then yeah it is?

[formal wigeon]

or well rather it just ended

[last hull]

DW is still meta on Dom Aponia?

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/1gQcfB2.png

yeah

[finite barn]

1 hour left for us NA peeps

[formal wigeon]

ye, until Mei release

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/DQYcIiW.png

[last hull]

What the hell I thought the abyss D would ratio her to high hell

Oh 9S sure

[finite barn]

btw what supports do best here? if no rita, for dudu

[formal wigeon]

tho Mei doesn't have any summons, she just hits harder enough while having the good typing

[elfin parrot]

p2 didn't make any units with summoned entities for main game aside from HoRb dkey, who is type countered

[formal wigeon]

she's still the best down to S0

[last hull]

I thought S0 had SP issues

[formal wigeon]

there just isn't other options atm

[elfin parrot]

you might look at sleepy teri and think she has summons but technically she doesn't

it's a purposeful design too to avoid them being viable/explolited in such ways. Meanwhile in Elysian realm they do adjust the kits to make them have summoned entity properties lol

[last hull]

Lmao her weather is just that tailored to her

[formal wigeon]

well if you have like SSS phys P2 vs S0 dw, yeah DW will lose still

[elfin parrot]

yeah prob one of the stronger cases of shill in the game

although every weather is a shill to something really

[finite barn]

surprisingly long lasting shill ig

[formal wigeon]

the Mei shill will be dreadful

tanky af adds

[last hull]

I loved DW so much skipping her crushed me, although if I did pull her I probably wouldn’t have gotten her gear in time

I would be forced to run ElyTB on her prolly

[spiral raven]

if you have pe she would do fine in rl and stuff back then

[last hull]

I didnt

I didnt even have HS

[elfin parrot]

i wonder how true this will be because i had this thought when seeing img cores one shotted (then fhem came along with MPE scores that weren't toooooo bad...)

or SD enemies with far critical value thresholds (then sena dps who couldn't use JDS just chews through that block of initial current hp like it's paper. I don't remember specifically what cycle this was)

[last hull]

I was forced to run triple SP support and no one had any gears it was genuinely torture to fight Dominace weathers without DW for me

[spiral raven]

spiders are like a boss itself

[elfin parrot]

hm well then

[spiral raven]

with mei scores on dxy were like 890 avg

Goodluck getting past spider at 900

[elfin parrot]

it's always the spiders lol

suddenly i'm looking forward to clearing that melee mob stage with mei

[last hull]

Mobs: the true boss of Hi3

[elfin parrot]

we do have full mob waves for abyss boss stages

[formal wigeon]

the DXY spider was almost always more of a boss than DXY

[elfin parrot]

not as many but like two to three of them (although only really one sees play somewhat infrequently)

[spiral raven]

that's true

[formal wigeon]

same for the 2 adds before phys Jizo

[elfin parrot]

that and the doom thing alongside it that spawns later

[formal wigeon]

with unsynced spawn

[elfin parrot]

trying to area control so that TP can catch it as it spawns was pretty annoying

then i learned the trislash only applies on one of them even if i hit both

[last hull]

I always had a nostalgia for Hi3 and I thought about coming back more than a few times but idk tbh

[formal wigeon]

I saw one with solo Mei no stigs

[pale musk]

My Misteln is only S Rank but I have an S2 HoRB with DK. Could HoRB/vita/Kiana DS score higher than Misteln/HoRB/RS/Bianka elf?

[last hull]

I dont really care for P2 story and most of the units nowadays dont speak out to me too much, and I think I just have to avoid gacha for my own sake, especially PvP gaha

[pale musk]

or ig should I try?

[spiral raven]

dw should be better

[last hull]

DW is better I think

[elfin parrot]

can definitely take a more casual approach to the game. Meta isn't everything

[last hull]

DKey HRB doesn’t help DW much but HRB herself is type countered

[elfin parrot]

if you want to play a valk, you technically can access a trial of them with their tutorials

and story+events don't need any gacha thing of your own. They eventually provide trials for you too

[last hull]

Meta feels like everything to me in these games is the problem, I cannot play a game if Im not playing meta

[elfin parrot]

that's fair

[last hull]

I couldn’t get myself to stick to WW because I lacked so many of BiS units, even though it’s a casual game and there’s 0 requirement for them

[elfin parrot]

maybe you can find a lesser and more intermediate balance that works for you then, or work your way up eventually

[last hull]

No as much nostalgia as I have for Hi3 I need to avoid gacha lest I become depressed and suicidal again

[elfin parrot]

yeesh yeah let's try to stay away from those lol

[last hull]

Mei is kinda cool though I guess

[pine harbor]

No wonder I was doing 300 points, my rotation was all wrong.

Thank god for tutorial.

[elfin parrot]

at any rate just trying to see what options are on the table but nothing wrong with appreciating from a distance either

[last hull]

Yea I still have vaguely kept up w Hi3 content by binging Mimi and Akayuki every now and again

Which ig is why my knowledge of the game hasn’t completely flown put the window

[elfin parrot]

yeah that explains a bit lol

[last hull]

Also Im not sure I could even recover my account even if I was mentally sane

[elfin parrot]

you may consider starting a new one if you really wanted to try the game again

[last hull]

My account was… pretty bad

[elfin parrot]

or at least meta speaking it prob would be better to use beginner crystals and reset permanent crystals to allocate towards new content

please be mindful that account sharing is not allowed in the official server. Refrain from even mentioning it

[last hull]

Oh yea sry

[elfin parrot]

Deleting posts isn't really going to hide it from mods so you might expect some kind of action against you unfortunately but it prob won't take much to get back into the server

but still prob better to delete to lessen exposure to others about it

well if you have any questions you want to ask before it happens, i'm still here to answer them

[last hull]

I have asked Khai and other mods about this before since I wanted to be careful about how I framed it since I want going to be playing anymore, but I supposed the context is irrelevant, I wont mention it anymore

I barely talk here anymore anyways

[elfin parrot]

oh if they said it's ok then you might be fine. I'm not the one calling the shots here. I'm just a prof here to remind others of the rules when relevant lol

[last hull]

If you need to report it then go ahead

I dont have anything personal

[elfin parrot]

well alright i'm sorry for this lol. Thank you for being civil about it though

[last hull]

All good I understand, it’s server policy after all

[elfin parrot]

I'm still willing to answer any questions if you have them, and you can even dm me if you do get bonked in the meantime

(DMs aren't usually preferred but these are the kind of exceptions I personally allow now and then)

[last hull]

Uuuuhm I dont think so? I do have questions but tbh I dont think I could ever fully understand any answers since I dont play the game to test/learn said knowledge myself

But thank you for all your help in the meantime

[fervent elm]

What should I do with stamina ?

[elfin parrot]

There's a link in the pins of #👶beginner-help that talks about spending your stamina

!faq stamina

[night parcel]

Stamina

I'm here to help, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view the Stamina spending priority list!

Please keep in mind that you should not be actively trying to rush EXP, most of your EXP comes from daily duties anyway, which is time-gated. Levelling is fast enough already!

[fervent elm]

Oh thank u I asked a question. In there but it’s very quiet haha

[elfin parrot]

well i'll bring it up here for your convenience. Just know that only specific roles can use bot commands so be sure to refer to pins on your own in the future

yeah i'll look over there now

[fervent elm]

Oh okay thank youuu

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/wfH6QUrRfpU Any tips about how I can optimize this? https://youtu.be/e0RnkG12Po8?si=Mnt8BU5IYgVe8enq someone was able to fill up Bianka's bar during transistion but I'm not sure how

[pale musk]

ran out of time but I would like to know where I could have done better

[foggy vapor]

Sorry for not responding earlier I just got home from work. Tbh i do t think it was super active the other two were around my score but someone got 629 and idek how

[finite barn]

wait is the non-rita solution to MA marut trio?

or dudu

[dusky mantle]

Maybe ps fdd fws

Idk just gut feel

[cunning gull]

eh no u would use ps on kosma
also marut punishes you if you switch a lot

[dusky mantle]

Oh right kosma

[modern yew]

U can have paws handle keksma and leave ps to marut

[dusky mantle]

I just memed around with HT FR hotr on kosna lol

[modern yew]

U can time the rot so as marut enter p2 and before he gets angry when u switch, u enter with ps stellar shift, do her thing, then enter SO again, do ps stellar shift(since u arent switching it doesnt trigger marut) do her thing and that should be enough time for the timer to run out and u can switch freely again

[desert robin]

Is it worth getting "domain of sanction" for herrscher of thunder if i already have "key of castigation"

[crude cloak]

Well, there are 2 issues:

1. This is her old weapon, she has a newer significantly stronger one (Seven Thunders of Retribution), which can be obtained from Reserve Works
2. HoT is not worth building at all nowadays (too old), so unless you're a very casual player it's not a good idea to spend too many mats (especially PRI ones) on her

[desert robin]

How do i get the better weapon then

Oh reserve works

[desert robin]

I seem to have forgotten where reserve works are
Would you mind pointing me in the right direction?

Nevermind i found it

[foggy vapor]

ik i cant ping it but the for the signet faq does that list valks reccomended for that patch's major buff?

or just when BiS signet setups change?

[spiral raven]

p1 on mobs
skip the weap before qte and go straight into ult and get 3 combo off, yes you lose sp but its not worth the time to rebuff and then overkill the sliver and wait for boss to spawn

im not gonna watch the rest but i mean with mei coming out its kinda whatever atp

[cunning gull]

latter
it's the weather buffs that are picked based on the last update on the specific guide

[foggy vapor]

thanks! also what does the time section mean? thats where the guide id losing me

[cunning gull]

basically taking about the ER floor

there's before you enter
after you defeat the first boss (huodou) and the 16th floor

[foggy vapor]

yeah but like what is the difference between "veil of tears" and "the lonly moon"

[cunning gull]

oh you mean that

these are sigils that give different effects

some increase the chance of you getting certain signets and others, buff you for getting the signets and some with permanent stats

[foggy vapor]

ooohhh tbh ive never seen those before but ill def tryt and look for them

[pale musk]

By weap you mean HoRB’s weap?

[cunning gull]

you can change them before you start the battle on the bottom leftish
and in the pardo shop in the last menu

[foggy vapor]

OOHHH THOSE

tbh i just keep the ego ones on to fish for them and extra resets

[cunning gull]

sure

[spiral raven]

no mistlen

after qte dont do wep and go straight to ult

then do wep auto and then ba4 twice for 3 combo

[pale musk]

The weap is after the QTE but I think I get what you mean

[foggy vapor]

im gonna head to sleep but thanks for all the help Mae!

[pale musk]

K, ty

[spiral raven]

ok oops i just realised i wrote that part wrong yeah, should be skip weap after qte

[cunning gull]

extra info for you: thorny crown doesn't let you switch support characters and sigils in the shop incase you use it and is confused

[rare iris]

||https://youtu.be/FDMcQh1p0r0?si=WB5nTa--6nz9f7yf reheat, this is +1D than current sampo tho lmfao||

[autumn heron]

Are there any Valks that's good to get in the war Treasury?

[neon narwhal]

#👶beginner-help message

[autumn heron]

Thanks

[rotund temple]

Anyone got a suggestion of what my best bet for Sampo would be?

• Any generally decent team comps that aren't these?
  Songque & Sushang unfortunately lacking weapon, seem to do abysmal DMG with the alternatives I have

[red plank]

could try PS lead with fws and fdd supps

or maybe switch out fdd with vita, whatever does more dmg

[fierce crypt]

brick 🥀

[half hatch]

The transition will be pretty rough with basically anyone here but since it's Meele up and you have no Sushang weapon ig badum + fdd + sparkle

[rotund temple]

Thank you, Will try those!

[obtuse lintel]

The bp chest can be saved?

[open bone]

Why would you

BP wraps over

For the last week

[obtuse lintel]

for the thursday?

[open bone]

Yeah

[obtuse lintel]

i mean, i wanna know if its possible to save it for the next bp so its actually usefull

bc with the bp completed that thing is not gonna do anything

[open bone]

It is yes. But it’ll also be useful for next BP if you click it now

Either way you’ll get 3 levels for next BP

[obtuse lintel]

rlly?

[open bone]

Yes, tho not as much as it is for knight (I try to rush 10k weekly before reset so I can get both this patch rewards and next patch)

[obtuse lintel]

i dont buy bp so

[rotund temple]

This worked
.. not a GREAT score but it's gotta be enough

[dusky mantle]

i read that as melee seele

[cyan nova]

thats the only thing missing on my att does anyone knows how to do it? i can't find it in the map either

[delicate raven]

those are the collectibles from the "marvelous adventures"

[pale palm]

If i want to use Luna with her new dc and I don't have ps,what will be her team

I also don't have badum

can luna be uses as a dps this way?

[mortal jetty]

If u have other symbiosis support like mei , ely, horb, helia fdd etc... you can still use her

[pale palm]

yes I have those
Nice I will be able to use luna again,I just reach SS with that free copy

[twilit summit]

What’s the alternate DPS for this abyss rotation? I haven’t even looked.

[mortal jetty]

Luna fdd helia / ely should be the team.with the highest damage number

[mortal jetty]

What do u have

[twilit summit]

Everyone but PAWS, Badum, and FoV

[mortal jetty]

You mean no badum and paws?

[cyan nova]

thanks!!

[twilit summit]

Yeaaa

[vernal bronze]

Any guide for the card event?

[delicate raven]

you mean the autochess?

[vernal bronze]

Yeah

[delicate raven]

QTexxeract shared some tips here #💁gameplay-help message

You still depend on RNG on how you should adapt your teams and select items that sync with the link effects.
In my experience, going for at least 6 shields + another link has guaranteed me more victories in situations with bad RNG

and in the case you are trying to complete missions, you just have to do what is requested (like using dudu for getting SS ranks)
iirc some of those you can/will complete them on the "story mode"

[vernal bronze]

That’s uh
Sorry I meant the FDD event

The witch one

Not the autochess one

[dreamy vapor]

oh the puzzle one? if you spend too long or fail a level the game has a tutorial video "hint" that shows how to do the whole thing from start to finish if you want, i can look to see if someone reuploaded the in game guides for that though

[dreamy vapor]

Heres a link to someone uploading how to do it if you dont wanna force the in game guides to show. though you'll have to go to their channel to find the ones for the 2nd and 3rd areas https://youtu.be/Lqc_sy9v6HU

[foggy vapor]

do we think HoT can clear ER inferno on Darwin stigmata set?