💁gameplay-help

[hearty yacht]

cannon is funniest, so that

you can also put it on a bronya

win win

[rigid cedar]

i was thining of going hammer because I lack greatswords

but idk if that has special effects

[weak drum]

how the hell do i 880 paros

[hearty yacht]

have enough atk

[weak drum]

i saw a s0 hle team with only s chen 880

[rigid cedar]

you slack and go -1

[hearty yacht]

ye

[weak drum]

no way im lacking that much atk

[weak drum]

i cant even -1

[rigid cedar]

i did

[hearty yacht]

how much atk you got?

[rigid cedar]

your turn

[weak drum]

actually i do, cant even follow a kr ref

[weak drum]

lemme recheck

1492 hle

[hearty yacht]

could've been 880 if I had literally a tiny bit more atk

[rigid cedar]

for context, I'm in comfortable 1500s with nirv emblem

[weak drum]

1487 1482 fdd badum

[rigid cedar]

feels great

[weak drum]

using the 3% fire n ice dmg emblem

[rigid cedar]

yeah better go -1..

[hearty yacht]

1496 hle, 1495 fdd 1487 badum

[rigid cedar]

paros is tanky af

[weak drum]

i cant

[weak drum]

[rigid cedar]

I'm just saying 880 might be impossible

[weak drum]

im like 8s paros rn

[hearty yacht]

maybe its the myriad/nirv emblem trolling me

[weak drum]

https://youtu.be/YEiVoWeFS1s?si=T77V3D0EwS9sH5SE run on mobile

[rigid cedar]

they succeeded in making a tanky MA boss for once, only needed perma hyperarmor

[hearty yacht]

its not, I am right there I just need a tiny smidge more atk

[rigid cedar]

probably

[hearty yacht]

my hle only has 5 perfect affix lines

[rigid cedar]

i mean my run sucked ass

[hearty yacht]

if it was 6 it would be 880

[weak drum]

only

[rigid cedar]

i kept dropping time

[weak drum]

my affixing luck literally sucks ass

2.5k locks on one badum stig for a single 22.9 line? like really???

[hearty yacht]

ches help

[weak drum]

lmfao

[hearty yacht]

im missing 5 atk

[weak drum]

ram how are you even 1500

no way you have more dkeys than me

[hearty yacht]

I wish brick would come back already

had to pick xy sword instead :\

[half hatch]

real

[hearty yacht]

gotta pull horb syncs to compensate smh

[weak drum]

imagine not having brick #thenewxys

[weak drum]

and im the fucking whel

[half hatch]

yes

[hearty yacht]

yes

[weak drum]

oh also i think i like default badum more than pyramid badum

sooo 10k xtals wasted?

[crude cloak]

Less

[half hatch]

ainoway

[crude cloak]

Cuz 5x tix refund

[hearty yacht]

if only there was a trial to try skins out before spending crystals on them

[half hatch]

imagine

[weak drum]

in my defense, fomo

[hearty yacht]

idk skin is a banger

[weak drum]

yeah its amazing but i like the cny vibes

im a sucker for fireworks and lanterns (not the valk)

[hearty yacht]

wait I can just da wei brick no?

[crude cloak]

You can

[weak drum]

yes

[hearty yacht]

[weak drum]

all weaps n stig in the game after all

[weak drum]

would wait til cny for that

[hearty yacht]

true

but 880

[weak drum]

what if free box with brick

[half hatch]

time to dawei horb syncs

[weak drum]

shuddup just take a ss and photoshop 880 in

[hearty yacht]

oh ye true

[weak drum]

#chesfacts

[weak drum]

someone judge the run

or else

[hearty yacht]

id rather save my eyesight thanks

[weak drum]

what the firk

[hearty yacht]

wtf 856, where is your 872

[weak drum]

i told youu

i cantttt

time to bribe dawei for 872

[hearty yacht]

wait

[weak drum]

also i think i kinda messed up trans

[hearty yacht]

https://youtu.be/iFRbnnnpIv4

try this

we have similar atk

so it should be fine

[weak drum]

my eyes

[hearty yacht]

wtf nah that's on you

[digital sky]

Does ranged kalpas need rime?

[weak drum]

iirc rime shield in p2

[weak drum]

wait no

rime trauma bar*

[digital sky]

Rime shield

[digital sky]

How much is needed?

[weak drum]

idk

a pretty decent chunk that hohe cant handle

[digital sky]

Did u need kira weapon?

[weak drum]

oh yes

[digital sky]

Okay so like 36

....come on out weplessthelema

[weak drum]

what the fuck @hearty yacht

[hearty yacht]

ches I literally just click upload

dont complain to me

[rigid cedar]

obvious slow inputs aside, try spamming HLE qte more in p1

that way you can kill with finisher

you did transition better than me

also for p2 SO, qte into cora after second HLE WA to do an ult, so you can get 3 Facet stacks

[weak drum]

[rigid cedar]

hold hle ult > finisher for after third wa, maybe you can skip the third wa entirely somehow but I needed it

if you use that on second wa, you'll qte into hle with no SP left to do finisher

[bold drum]

i need a second team for memorial arena and i have one but don't know who to make my second team out of, suggestions? my first team is herrscher of humanity, hi love elf (i have her weapon and stigmas) and reverist calico. im okay with building whoever.

[weak drum]

holy shit i have to do the 4th ba skip tech on hle?

ok asugpt how to do it

[crude cloak]

Just gotta learn the timing

There's nothing else to it

||I've also heard it's ninja fixed in 8.6, cmiiw here||

[hearty yacht]

I delay it for a small bit at the start it helps

But you gotta get a feel for it

[weak drum]

ok nvm i got it

[hearty yacht]

Ignore the boss, it can make you panic evade as well

[weak drum]

jumping is way easier than evading

[crude cloak]

Wait a sec, do you have HoHE's new weapon?

[hearty yacht]

Jumping works ye

[crude cloak]

If not, you can't use HoHE and HLE together

[weak drum]

oh its so easy wtf

nvm asu sori for doubting you

[bold drum]

oh i don't, is there anyone else i can put there instead?

[crude cloak]

2 teams you can run for now are HLE VBm and HoHE RC

You can get TA from the Asterite Shop to use in one of the teams

The Abyss team you should run is HLE VBm RC (it's pinned in #👶beginner-help)

[weak drum]

wait is nirv or 3% fire n ice dmg better

why am i missing a smol chunk of dmg

well not small for paros's hp bar but yeah

[spare furnace]

ok im a broke ass
can someone tell me why wod dps is bad without sera
i watched wyverein all astral op comparison video and it is not that much of a difference

[bold drum]

oh okay thanks. i'm going to be getting thelema soon from the pulling event, would she work as a third slot in one of the teams?

[weak drum]

lmfao pixel hp'd it

[weak drum]

yeah im missing like 3 atk wtf

[steady osprey]

no. thelema doesnt work for hle

[rigid cedar]

remember that HLE has Harmonized Shadow Star as a support tag

therefore she works if thelema is leading

[quasi pier]

if they're getting thelema from the spending event, she probably has no weapon though

[rigid cedar]

that's correct, would have to get her weapon through bp

[steady osprey]

we talking about paros boss

[rigid cedar]

yes?

it's just misleading to say that thelema cannot work with hle

[weak drum]

am i doin smt wrong

sometimes i can break the 2nd point sometimes i cant

is it bc my hle ate too many shards in transition or smt

[crude cloak]

You could run her as the DPS instead of HoHE in MA, but other than that she won't be very useful

||Though she'll be nice to have for the 8.6 valk||

[steady osprey]

last time i used ult before SO

idk if that work though

[spiral raven]

u didnt get enough shards from transition

so u messed something up there

[plucky swan]

which other for Basic spam HoRb?

[steady osprey]

gold (SP = dmg) or bodhi (combo counter = dmg) or decimation (auto work)

[plucky swan]

basic spam doesnt ult

[steady osprey]

no ult = have a lot of SP. spam basic = high combo counter. decimation will auto work on its own

[plucky swan]

it literally says you have to ult

the enhanced doesn't count

[steady osprey]

the ult is for Deliverance part. Gold part is the max SP increase

btw it say u get SP refunded so no penalty anyway

u can pick the other 2 if u dont like that

Decimation auto work so its an easy choice. after picking ur hp will auto burn down to 20% so the dmg buff will always activate

[thick aspen]

#invite-links-here

[elfin parrot]

@grave grove Please go to the channel that Paul mentioned to post your invite code. It's not really allowed in other channels or else it'll just lead to spam and disruptions instead. Going to delete your post here to keep things fair for others sorry.

[grave grove]

ohhh sorry thanks <3

[brave carbon]

what can i use for kosma without any qua valks and paws?

[eager smelt]

loa

[dark phoenix]

what is the best build for the event

[eager smelt]

fov is strong she has 3 lives

[dark phoenix]

kinda understand her playstyle, better play from behind

[dark phoenix]

feel like sometime i lost 1 turn randomly

[eager smelt]

probably timed out

[dark phoenix]

still have 10s left tho

[lyric blaze]

is hle ps coralie best for kalpas?

[vernal terrace]

[dark phoenix]

TA seem better than fov

[vernal terrace]

Event?

[dark phoenix]

yes

[vernal terrace]

I can agree TA good

[digital sky]

So u need HoH or HLE or Thelema this abyss?

[steady osprey]

u need hle for freeze, fdd for longer freeze, and ps for hitcount transition

[digital sky]

Okay so i dont own hle or ps

[steady osprey]

and u also need ss chenxue bcs this fking guy need 2SO

[digital sky]

So whos 2nd in line if no hle

[digital sky]

Nobody can compete?

[fleet shore]

Please is this the place where i can ask for elysia weapon flawless benediction legacy

[steady osprey]

last time was lantern thelema team

[half hatch]

Idk how they compete but maybe you can cope a bit with hohe, though iirc your thele is weaponless so

[steady osprey]

its banner will come at 5th december

[fleet shore]

Ok I just have to wait to then thank you

[digital sky]

Yeah. .. so she's there for rime

[weak drum]

dont think you’d get enough rime with weapless thel

well you already dont have enough dmg because of that

[digital sky]

Her weapon is just atf on ult and +2ari on eva

No rime

SS gives an extra 6 rime

On her held WA

[weak drum]

oh nice, you still need sthat or else you’re just losing time and ari tho

[digital sky]

Atleast after SO i dont gotta worry about uh filling the bar up..

Cuz all stacks are there

[weak drum]

dont you need to do 2 SO

[digital sky]

I have s sera

So i can get it relatively quicker

Also transition gonna be giving some

[dusky mantle]

errr

ok i have slacced too much hahah

what are my options for angry man

oh wtf

fws outfit went away dang

[steady osprey]

yeah i also feel like just a few days

[weak drum]

hle ps fdd

[dusky mantle]

yeah so now i have HLE weapon

yipee since i missed FWS outfit

[dusky mantle]

PS subsitute?

maybe paws?

[weak drum]

you die

[dusky mantle]

dont tell me has HC

[weak drum]

can try, im not sure if she can hit him on his pillar

[weak drum]

rime and hc check yes

[dusky mantle]

fok

[dusky mantle]

hmm i guess thelema S2 + elf parts?

[gleaming relic]

dragon coralie is all att yeah?

[weak drum]

yes

[weak drum]

yeah seems like the best idea

[dusky mantle]

the main thing is just full stacks on thelema ult right?

more dmg for each stack restored

[weak drum]

yep

thats like the big cool thing for s2 thel

[steady osprey]

1000 spending token

[dusky mantle]

unlucky patch

all single digits HLE weapon + horb weapn

[steady osprey]

[dull dagger]

i'm F2P, i have enough to buy HoTr's weapon from reserve works in BP, would that be recommended for her over my current star of eden? not really a meta player but she's my favorite valk to play and want her to be as strong as she can be!

[crude cloak]

Well, if you only care about making her as strong as possible it's considerable, but have you alr got all the dkeys there? They provide passive acc-wide +10 ATK each after all

And what about the rest of her team (JK + Kira assuming HoTr DPS)

[dull dagger]

yep, i've gotten all the other divine keys! and i do run her with kira, but i'm yet to get JK. should getting her be my main priority?

[crude cloak]

Yeah, but keep in mind she really wants to have her weapon at the very least

SP issues otherwise (can be played around ofc)

[crude cloak]

And sure, you can go ahead with HoTr's weap then

I assume you alr have her stigs?

[dull dagger]

yeah! tysm, i'll make sure to to get JK and her weapon whenever i can

[mighty zinc]

Nirvana is brutal 😭

[steady osprey]

yeah this abyss is fucked up

even the non-boss stages are hard af

[lyric blaze]

should i get chenxue aop or save for sera? i already have que + teri

[rigid cedar]

your goal is nirvana right?

or are you already in there

[rigid cedar]

in case you are, it depends. you want at least SS either way for nirvana

chenxue is more future proof in my opinion

because the GoI ring is still more fresh and RoO doesn't seem to stop either

[turbid minnow]

What's the best Serapeum replacement for WoD?

[formal wigeon]

DS

[rigid cedar]

there is no replacement

she is still BiS

[formal wigeon]

or the relevant 4* elf when applicable

[rigid cedar]

i mean weaker options but still better can be elfs

depends on their ranks and elements though

kiaelf is used a lot for fire and lightning, 3* is minimum to be functionial

[turbid minnow]

DS\4* elf better than SS songque?

[rigid cedar]

elyelf for ice, also 3*

which team

[turbid minnow]

I was thinking about this team just for fun lol

[formal wigeon]

SS songque could be better for ARi if in a team that supports her conditions for it

[turbid minnow]

Sadly never got sera, she's the only one I'm missing

[rigid cedar]

Songque is better than DS

both in buffs and ari

for this team at least

[formal wigeon]

not sure how she compares to ELF in buffs

iirc she was behind Kia for fire/lightning but I think Ely elf is a lot worse overall

[turbid minnow]

I'm assuming tho that HLE + S2+1 PS + S0+2 FDD with SSS Chenxue is still better than that team even if HoH is SSS+3?

[turbid minnow]

yeah ely elf is not that great sadly

[rigid cedar]

actually that's debatable

[formal wigeon]

best way to find out is to try

[turbid minnow]

Yeah that's why I wanted to try it out, but no Sera makes things a little complicated

[rigid cedar]

thelema technically could do the hitcount

wait let me show you a ref

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Y8sfzPE1F/

[formal wigeon]

it mostly depends on if your HoH can clear in SO only or if you need cleanup imo

cause ranged + TC means Thel can't carry outside SO

[turbid minnow]

I'm gonna try and see if I can even replicate 1st half of the fight

[rigid cedar]

it's full whale, but ref description says that thelema s2+2 would be enough

[formal wigeon]

seems like Sera is needed for SO cd here

[rigid cedar]

ah-

i forgot that one has sera

ah well

many things can still apply regardless

[turbid minnow]

I'm trying but yeah I'm lacking damage

idk if it's because of sera or what

It's not that far off but I can definitely feel the difference, i'm about 10-15 points below 1st half already

What's his HLE? SS+1?

[turbid minnow]

Oh damn

Yeah it's probably not comparable sadly due to sera and thelema

atk wise i feel like i'm pretty good so it's literally just that

[craggy plume]

Assuming no PS what is the current best team for HLE against Kalpas?
HLE, FDD, PAWS or is HoHe better for extra rime instead of FDD, since you should want something for hitcount.

[fervent musk]

1692 atk wow

[steady osprey]

nvm no ps

[half hatch]

HLE/fdd/paws you can kick off kalpas with a cora qte when he's on the pillar and then do the HC with paws

[steady osprey]

the frenzy is actually buggy for me

if u freeze him right before he enter it the frozen doesnt clear as stated

[craggy plume]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV11isRzCER7 yes I found this ref for the team.

[steady osprey]

u have cx?

[craggy plume]

No

But the timing is pretty close to what you can get with DS

Since they are delaying the second SO a lot

[half hatch]

you can do better on the HC just kick him off the pillar

the cora qte just needs to be timed good from what i remember

try to do it the moment he's on the pillar

[half hatch]

i got 728 hle/fdd/paws all S0 sync 1 with DS if you want i can upload it

also feels improvable

oh it's been 20 minutes lol guess i'll ping @craggy plume

[dusky terrace]

what story does it want me to clear? new or old ones?

[red plank]

event story

iirc

[dusky terrace]

so this one

[red plank]

no, thats the main story

[red plank]

go back to this screen, there shoulb be a button to take you to the event

[finite barn]

event story, its not open yet

[red plank]

wait until it opens

theres nothing you can do here

[finite barn]

(yes i know i was telling that person)

[red plank]

oh i confused you with the other person my bad

[finite barn]

just cause we're both blue smh smh

i can't make up my mind if i should pull fdd rn

on one hand not having her has been suffering but on the other... backpulling...

[red plank]

depends on your funds and your whaling capacity

[finite barn]

well if i do pull next patch will have to be hard skip so i can cny spending

[craggy plume]

Sorry for not seeing it earlier, I would like to see how it looks

[half hatch]

npnp

[half hatch]

maybe give this convo a read
#👶beginner-help message

also i've seen your concerns in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion and we can't really give a conclusive answer on how good the 8.6 valk is since she's still in beta and things are subject to change

[craggy plume]

How much ATK on HLE here?

[half hatch]

i'm not missing a lot of dkeys so 1490

[steady osprey]

mine is 1491 lol

[craggy plume]

Ok I have 1459 so probably need to do some adjustments

[half hatch]

yeah probably need like another ult in p1 and wa -> ult in p2 maybe even more in p2

[finite barn]

i see

i'm not sure i like... agree...? i guess thats not really the right term??? idk in my experience not having fdd seems to be a huge gap at the bracket i am chilling at

[half hatch]

if we're talking RL and below you can cope pretty easily with other supports most of the time in my experience. If we're talking nirvana yeah then it's rough though skipping some other future valks will also set you back by a bit in nirvana

[finite barn]

i mean thats what i dont agree with re:advice tbh, that rl can be lumped in with below these days

idk i harp on about this more frequently than i should probably but in my experience as someone who was getting into nirv bouncing before p2 hit

rl has gotten way more competitive but the advice being given still seems to assume it's at its pre-p2 state

p2 has done terrible things to rl

[last rapids]

if you play right you have 2 or 3 teams scoring around the same

so not really

[half hatch]

well i'm not quite familiar with p1 RL but in my experience it's still very easy to promote with the right dps + decent supports

[last rapids]

p2 is far more forgiving than p1 if anything

[finite barn]

its definitely not

[half hatch]

i'm doing cope refs all the time when i'm in RL and most of the time i'm outscoring people who have BiS teams

[last rapids]

it definitely is lol

[finite barn]

not in rl

[last rapids]

so rl is more competitive than nirvana nowadays

is that what you're saying

[finite barn]

i had to fight for my life in the fdd patch and i still demoted to ag3 twice

[full trench]

na rl is fairly easy

[last rapids]

because this patch specifically i could have not used new ely a single time with zero consequences

[finite barn]

no im not saying its more competitive than nirv im saying its more competitive than rl like a year and a half ago

but nirv players are still treating it like rl a year and a half ago

[last rapids]

in fact i already didnt on SA , just used fws

this weather you can hh with thelema

[full trench]

i promo'd on paws weather without her weapon and usually if i have the team its like a 30-40 point gap

[last rapids]

sushang weathers you can do fairly well with songque or dudu or helia

thelema you can hh or vita

let me see you try any of that in p1

[full trench]

if you're missing stuff obviously promo is gonna be hard but not usually impossible

[last rapids]

p1 you could cope gears, but not valks

[finite barn]

idk maybe the problem is that nirv has gotten more competitive and my brackets are full of nirv demoters which is why its sweaty but its super sweaty

difference between rank 1 and rank 10 in my brackets is often less than 100 points

so a 30-40 point gap is a big problem actually!

[last rapids]

p2 you can gap the points so much if you know how to play

[finite barn]

sure its more flexible but its not more forgiving

[full trench]

i was talking about between me and t2 to be clear

[last rapids]

there's a lot of little things like ARi optimisations or even spamming jump as you swap

that alone saves 1pt per swap

they accumalate

not to talk about spamming wep with sushang makes her ult faster, cancelling vita basics, optimising thelema combos, dodge spam for ari

i havent even mentioned a single major bug yet

[finite barn]

that alone proves my point about it being more competitive tho??? like. you didnt have to do that in p1 or 1.5

[last rapids]

it doesnt

[finite barn]

and you could cope gears

[last rapids]

you're saying the problem is skipping a unit means certain death

which absolutely is not true

you can do so much with so little nowadays

[finite barn]

what no im saying that i do not agree with people lumping modern rl into the same category as below

[full trench]

it's too early to mention sushang fast ult... i'm not over it yet...

[last rapids]

its far more forgiving than it used to be, if you know how to play

[finite barn]

its way harder now

[last rapids]

you can skip a bunch and still retain t50 myriad, thats how easy it is nowadays

i didnt need new ely once for t50 so far yet

and thats this patch alone

back in the day you skip a unit you're cooked

now you got 2-3 teams doing 10-30 pts of difference

more competitive doesnt mean less forgiving, you just have more options to play the game now

which is better

and that's coming from the biggest hater of p2 and ask anyone who knows me lol

its just the objective truth

[finite barn]

that's my entire point tho nirv players think this but as someone who used to comfy in rl and if i wanted to sweat i could bounce nirv, the experience is the exact opposite

rl isnt chill anymore

not the way it was in p1

[last rapids]

yeah which is better, you skip 1 unit and suddenly you cant play the game anymore back in the day

[finite barn]

you could cope and still avoid demoting to ag3

[last rapids]

now you can carry on with a lot more options, so the snooze fest isnt as snoozy anymore

[finite barn]

idk maybe im just really salty about the fdd patch its gotten better this patch

[last rapids]

but point stands, game is far more forgiving now (if you know how to play)

[half hatch]

if we just take a look at a usual ref maker for example
he does hle/ps/fdd and hle/ps/hohe with DS and both teams have a 4 points difference
https://youtu.be/wB5pFa5BofM?si=w-CyjZJL97a2vomq
just from bringing in my own experience this has been the same over the past patches if you have decent supports you can keep the score around pretty much the same as the BiS
sure sometimes there are some very restrective boss mechanics but in my experience you can still do it without them

[finite barn]

but ive been saying this since like 7.4 or whatever

[half hatch]

for example for this weather you really want PS but clearing the HC with paws when you knock kalpas of the pillar with fdd or doing some other tactics works just fine

[finite barn]

maybe the experience is more forgiving for nirv players now idk because im not a nirv player but its definitely not as chill anymore for rl players

[last rapids]

oh definitely not lol

everyone in nirvana is s0r1 geared nowadays

at the very least

[steady osprey]

not as chill for f2p rl players

[finite barn]

i mean. this is also true for rl these days

[last rapids]

the big point difference gets influenced by dkeys, ao ranks, a sync here or there aside from ranks

[steady osprey]

back then everyone doesnt have this and that. now everyone has it

[finite barn]

like. usually theres only like 1 or 2 players who are using not-the-meta team

in the top 10

[last rapids]

there is 'no-meta-team' is literally my point

you have a bunch of units you can throw at a boss and they will ALL work

[finite barn]

the meta team being the one that's like. "game intended" if that makes sense

theres always an intended team

[last rapids]

game intended isnt even best in slot nowadays

so many weathers you pull the new toy but the older worked better

and im talking from experience

[finite barn]

ehhhh usually its only like one swappable support from the refs i can find

which like. maybe i need to level up my ref finding game but its not like ive changed how i find refs from p1

[eager smelt]

i can do fine in rl on a f2p acc

[finite barn]

well yeah

i'm still beating a lot of the s0r1 people with my deranged setups

but its not a comfy "oh i can just play this a couple times and look at a ref once" type beating

its a "grind this boss for like an hour and a half on finalization day" type

which is the difference

also the fdd patch was just really bad

[last rapids]

i think you have quite a recency bias

if you looked at p1 you skip one support and 9 times fall to their death

fdd is just a really good general support

and even by then you still had options

[finite barn]

ive been complaining about the p2 abyss thing since early p2

[quasi pier]

rl is still play the boss once then sleep for me. it should be harder on paper but most of the people in rl bracket can't rotate properly

[finite barn]

p1 was way less flexible pulling wise sure but if you pulled the right stuff it was a walk in the park

[last rapids]

well i could've argued bad player skill issue, but im trying to be civilised here

but yeah i do believe you

[eager smelt]

that just depends on skill
i can do just fine without a ref 1 try

[finite barn]

meanwhile i have like. nearly all of the p2 valks and its still basically impossible for me to get to the same level

[finite barn]

i do not have hands ok i constantly like. spam click something too much lmao i dont have reaction speed

[last rapids]

this works as a reply for the past 5 messages

[finite barn]

like

my point is i havent changed

[last rapids]

and why should a game accomdate you

[finite barn]

if its a player skill issue then ive always been player skill issued? unless your argument is that ive gotten worse at hi3 since p2 which doesnt make sense

[last rapids]

how does it not make sense, p2 doesnt even play remotely similar to p1

[finite barn]

ive had the same amount of skill throughout the times /shrug

[last rapids]

and how are you able to judge your skill objectively

[steady osprey]

p2 gameplay is indeed different

SO and aop and etc

[finite barn]

i mean i can't but i know i'm literally the same person

[last rapids]

[finite barn]

i dont understand what youre trying to say

[last rapids]

i dont see how your personality not changing correlate with being better or worse at a different gameplay experience

[finite barn]

well sure there's a lot more mechanics but i dont think it's changed that much like... on a how to operate level

[last rapids]

you have a magnitude of people telling you you're objectively wrong and sharing their own experience about how easy their experience in RL is

yet you're not budging whatsoever, no sensible argument is getting through to your head either

what can else can i do than scream play better

like literally

[finite barn]

maybe im remembering wrong but i feel like at least half of the people who expressed their opinion that rl is easy were nirv level players in p1

[full trench]

i mean if ur first runs are far from cap then that's fine, most people in rl are in the same boat which is why it's easy but what do u expect the competition to do, not play abyss?

[finite barn]

that is exactly the point tho, people are competing harder

rl used to feel like the competition didnt play abyss

or well, it felt like half the bracket slept on any given abyss

now it is not so

[full trench]

i mean majority of my brackets only submit 1 score

[finite barn]

i feel like theres been a lot of sniping recently but i cant actually remember if there was a lot of sniping in p1.5

like the vibe of the way players compete in rl these days feels like what i used to hear nirv players complain about before p2, although obviously i can't say that for a fact because i wasn't able to actually compete with nirv players even if i could bounce it occasionally

[quasi pier]

sniping in rl? i feel like we have completely different brackets

[finite barn]

but something thats definitely true is that point differences are way lower

[quasi pier]

like

[finite barn]

or at least people going hard in the last couple hours

[full trench]

fell asleep at the wheel 😭

[finite barn]

lmao yeah this happens still and its funny

[quasi pier]

nah, i leave, come back 1 day later and the bracket is more or less the same because most people in bracket are 1 and done

[finite barn]

thats definitely not my experience give me your brackets

i looked back and apparently on the 2nd of this month i had a bracket where 1st and 10th had less than 50 points difference, i stopped playing when i hit 3rd 2 hours before finalization and finalized in 5th

granted this is an extreme example

ig thats maybe not exactly snipers but its still people pushing hard in the final few hours

but generally my brackets are more on that side of the scale than the "half the bracket submits one score and dips and like 3 people dont even play" side of the scale

which is the way my p1/1.5 brackets leaned

thats also an extreme example but scale ends are extreme so eh

[quasi pier]

to be fair, NA has always been, "no one really plays until the last 2 hours"

[full trench]

it's like that in nirv too

[finite barn]

its like, after dinner-ish

[quasi pier]

especially in nirv

[finite barn]

thats the vibe ive gotten from this chat over the years yeh

also i do think that p1's weird tech was easier

[formal wigeon]

so basically the issue is just that other players got better ?

[finite barn]

ive never successfully pulled off a fish skip idk, dont have the hands for it ig but like, ae fast combo was really easy

[steady osprey]

ouch

[finite barn]

other players got more competitive

see previous comment about half the bracket sleeping most of the time in p1

which is probably due to the fact that its super easy nowadays to get most of the valks even as f2p

[formal wigeon]

p1 used to be "don't have the team -> skip the weather", now you can use a lot of stuff that still works and score close

[finite barn]

so its easier to actually compete

it still makes the whole culture different

[formal wigeon]

so people that play get good scores and aren't out just from missing valks

[eager smelt]

fish skip wasnt particularly hard as long as u could do it once
the hard part was learning it

[finite barn]

i just could not get it idk... looked at multiple guides and it just never clicked

idk i dont have good reaction speed i just blame it on hands issue XD

[eager smelt]

its not a matter of reaction speed

[finite barn]

but like p1 techs were more forgiving in timing imo

[eager smelt]

u just needed to press 3 buttons at the same time

[finite barn]

i pressed the buttons the guide said to press 😭

[elfin parrot]

i feel the trickiest part is learning to do it late enough

[formal wigeon]

HoS weap cancel be like

(or everything FR did)

[elfin parrot]

i'm sad bad at AE tech too

i was supposed to type "so" but that works too

[full trench]

im ngl i still miss hle's ba4 cancel like 50% of the time

[elfin parrot]

yeah i was doing it ok when i first learned it but it's so punishing half the time for something you do so much for so little

[formal wigeon]

also P1 had pause spam

[finite barn]

hos weapon cancel wasnt like, you basically had to use it or you'd lose like 20 points tho? and honestly i thought fr stuff was easier than p2 stuff... o.o

[formal wigeon]

so everything after that is automatically better

[finite barn]

iunno

pause spam XD

[full trench]

iuno

[formal wigeon]

not what you're thinking about

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APrM-ds3KiQ i was thinking of this

[formal wigeon]

it was using the CA for a weap without triggering any animation

[elfin parrot]

read description of that video btw

since you'll prob miss it otherwise

[formal wigeon]

yeah that vid was one application if it iirc

the other was cancelling chains still gave the sus any and sp but you could do other stuff during it

with similar inputs

[elfin parrot]

did it involve having the boss leviate you into the air to cancel it

or some start of fight skippiness

from the enemies spawning

[formal wigeon]

nah that one is something else

[elfin parrot]

tldr hos was a stupid valk

a stupid fun valk but a stupid one

[finite barn]

oh this thing

yeah thats not what i thought you guys were talking about

[haughty lily]

I'm currently at 35 pulls to pity on the battlesuit supply for Coralie. I don’t have anymore crystals for now, but should I use everything I get before the end of Coralie's banner on her or should I save for the valk next patch ?

[finite barn]

You probably won't have enough for weapon even if you do get Coralie so I think save

[past torrent]

do I go for Chenxue or Coralie?

[open bone]

Probably neither unless you have a lot of free crystals

Or are whaling

(Or you don’t care about meta but if you’re pulling for waifu grab whoever you like more

[craggy ivy]

Is hle fws paws or hle paws fdd better for the hitcount assuming no ps

[spiral raven]

i saw horb doing quite good
hle fdd horb

[craggy ivy]

Non ranked horb?

[spiral raven]

yea

[craggy ivy]

Oghei I tri

[spiral raven]

well whats ranked horb

[craggy ivy]

I dun rmb horb rankups, js in case a rank increased her hitcount

[spiral raven]

i hab no idea whats best with no ps either as well tho
anyways u can try this ig
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1PPsoz5E3f/?vd_source=0c55e9eeea7f01cd7949940b979fafe9

no idea what his ranks r

s2 hle minimum tho

[foggy vapor]

is 21613 a good finish for rl?

[spiral raven]

700 with helia at 534d
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV11isRzCER7/?vd_source=0c55e9eeea7f01cd7949940b979fafe9

[spiral raven]

probs not

[craggy ivy]

Thank

Ari regen seems like ss chenxue?

Gonna need to try

[spiral raven]

nyea

[craggy ivy]

Oh nvm works with S chenxue

[foggy vapor]

back to the mines

[spiral raven]

its not a mine is it

record urself and compare what ur doing diff ig
and if things dont work out, try to see what u need to do differently ig

[foggy vapor]

yeah its def skill issue. im still relitively new so still need to learn all the bosses

[flint sierra]

what supports do i use for hle in elysian

[cunning gull]

check the elysian realm guide in the pins

if you don't understand the shortcuts you can refer to the glossary

[pale musk]

In RL D517, what kind of score can I get with this? How much does it improve with SS HoH?

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/kA1ye-ZyNec This is how I've been doing so far.

[dark phoenix]

can't seem to fit full HLE SO in the freeze duration

is there any trick?

[spiral raven]

i did 3 SO's, maybe there isnt trick to fitting it in, and just do mini bursts

[vernal terrace]

I only had to do two

[dark phoenix]

🐳

[vernal terrace]

[hearty yacht]

3?

[spiral raven]

yea

[vernal terrace]

3 SO boss

[violet horizon]

Can someone send me their hle runs

[hearty yacht]

2 seemed enough for me, 1 near the end of p1, and one after the kalpas rage

[mortal jetty]

Its depend on runs and damage

Some run need 1 full rot and 2 mini rot and some run need 2 full rots

[spiral raven]

hi asaphie, why r u fenced

oh thats rome arena thing

[hearty yacht]

Colloseum ye

[long maple]

any team i can make with elysia

[open bone]

Hi Love Elf, Valkyrie Blastmetal, Reverist Calico

tho it'll be a bit scuffed until you get her weapon and some more units

there's a rotation in the beginner help pins

[long maple]

from the current characters i own

[open bone]

you own all three of those

I can see them in the screenshot

[long maple]

oh okay

[open bone]

Blastmetal is A rank coralie, you have her at level 44

reverist calico is pardofelis, you have her at level 66

[long maple]

okay

but its for elysia dps??

[open bone]

yes

[long maple]

okay

[open bone]

Hi love elf leader, and then valkyrie blastmetal and reverist calico as supports

[long maple]

i used elysia felix and jade before

[open bone]

That's good for the other elysia (herrscher of human ego)

but Hi Love Elf wants Blastmetal

you can read a whole post about it here: #👶beginner-help message

[long maple]

im giving her this im poor 😔

[open bone]

thats not as good as rouald amusen but it will work until you have more coins

you can also put ogier T on her if you have it

[vernal terrace]

I see VBm's t stig

[open bone]

wait they have tsiolkovsky... I missed that

[long maple]

i have a lot of problems with these coins

[open bone]

yeah if you have that just give it to her

[long maple]

how to quickly get them

[open bone]

You can get coins from dailies and open world missions (repeatable) and then also one time sources like advancing story and open world story

[long maple]

is there anything like battlefield from pgr?

[sacred cape]

Any 6S no new ely ref for abyss thanks

[hearty yacht]

universal mirage I guess is the closest you'd get

[violet horizon]

Does anyone have a run w hle and dreemseeker op

Preferably in redlotus

[craggy plume]

Mango posted a HLE,FDD,PAWS run yesterday in here

[half hatch]

Which supports do you have

[rotund forge]

anyone know how to run this team?

[dark phoenix]

dont really know but the basis idea is vita ult > hle ult > hoh doing her stuff i guess

[violet horizon]

Oh expect for mini dudu... Forgor shes goi

[violet horizon]

Thnx

[craggy plume]

Hieu le also has some runs with PS up on youtube that you could look at

Since PS should be BiS since you have a hitcount shield you want to deal with.

[craggy ivy]

Horb kinda works too

[craggy ivy]

.

S2 hle but surely can downscale for glubul temp

[pallid flare]

okay what am i doing wrong in the current red lotus?
i checked the youtube videos and... i don't know during AR they're doing like 2x damage.

i'm using ely + sushang + coralie with theresa and DKey ice

[craggy plume]

Is coralie FDD?
It is hard to say what you are doing wrong without some info can you show a recording?

[pallid flare]

what's FDD?

[craggy plume]

Behold Fate-defying Dragon

[pallid flare]

aaaaaah

[craggy plume]

see glossary in beginner help pins

[pallid flare]

yes sure! 🤣 sorry i'm not good with names

and ely is of course also the new ely

and they are all maxed with pri weapons

[craggy plume]

Yes, please stick with battlesuit names there are 3 Ely's 2 Sushang's and 2 Coralie's. I don't necessarily know who you mean when you use character names

[pallid flare]

but my lack of damage is concerning... i'm trying to make a recording.

[violet horizon]

Even if u dont know da acronyms just use something simple like
S rank coriale or Fdd
For example

[pallid flare]

the first half is kinda okay, it can use some optimizing but that i can figure out but at the end of the second half my damage basically drops to 0

[half hatch]

by freezing him at 1:59 and then doing enough damage prevents him from going into rage and if he does not do that he takes less damage

after his vuln state ends wait with freezing him until a rime trauma circle that needs to be filled shows up above his head

[violet horizon]

Mango so is s rank helia better than Sus in this boss?

[pallid flare]

okay but... that's when i enter AR, so that should be enough damage

[half hatch]

nah

sus deletes his HC

[violet horizon]

Okay thx

[pallid flare]

i mean at least i'm now at 670... that'll keep me out of the negatives... but his freeze trauma mark comes just too late, i'm already way below 750 at that point

[half hatch]

hm that sounds weird in the vid above it would appear at ~780

[violet horizon]

They have been giving out the annoying bosses this patch

Want us to go bald

[half hatch]

you really can just do the excact same rot you've already send us just delay the last ult you do before SO until the rime trauma circle appears

[pallid flare]

i'm at 701 and still no trauma mark, this is so weird... maybe i musn't freeze him... maybe i just need to stand still until it appears iwthout attacking no idea...

[half hatch]

huh that sounds very weird

[stuck orchid]

Does S rank Chenxue do anything noteworthy for HLE, aside from better damage? Or is it only rlly notable QoL improvements at SS?

[pallid flare]

yeah i give up... somehow this boss hates me
look 720 already and he's not even close to reach the trauma mark

[half hatch]

this looks like he already raged

[steady osprey]

how many atk does ur hohe have

[half hatch]

just so that you know what i'm talking about take a look at 3:45
https://youtu.be/wB5pFa5BofM?si=0f4iH1zCCnUCKdI5&t=225

because i feel like we're talking past each other

[steady osprey]

u may need to start 1st SO and end it early and then go for another SO later if u lack too much dmg

u can do finisher after hle touch screen the 1st time

[half hatch]

I'm talking about this rime trauma circle that is above kalpas head

[pallid flare]

i know it doesn't come until 700

[steady osprey]

its not timer, its hp threshhold, if u deal more dmg to him it will be sooner than 700

[pallid flare]

it's threshold + timer...

[half hatch]

it had to though, kalpas already needs more rime trauma to be fronzen in your screenshot than he normally would which indicates that he already raged

[vernal terrace]

He usually rages at 830+ for me

[steady osprey]

if he enter frenzy u will notice ur dmg go down significantly

[pallid flare]

when you reach the HP threshold he stands there for half an eternity, the timer decreases, the message comes and then i need to wait for multiple seconds until it finally appears...

[half hatch]

that sounds very very weird could you maybe record it

[steady osprey]

that;s transition

life 1 > transition > life 2, if clear hit count get vulnerable > at 50% of life 2 get frenzy (and tanky) > freeze him to end frenzy

[formal wigeon]

Avoid tf, sus-anni and CCs

[half hatch]

the most notable thing that she provides is probably the initial ARI but yeah most of the QoL improvements like ari regen +300 SP on SO entry instead of +100 are at SS

[steady osprey]

frenzy is bugged for me btw. if u freeze him right before he enter it the trauma wont clear and u have to wait the whole frozen and cooldown duration

[half hatch]

it's not a bug, he clears his rime -> short animation until he enters frenzy -> you freeze him during that -> he delays his frenzy

[steady osprey]

while he get 75% DR

[half hatch]

he won't go into frenzy instantly

[steady osprey]

rime is clear but not the frozen state. lmao fdd even backfire atp

i noticed my dmg go down from 2m to 400k

btw this boss score maybe very bad if u dont know what to do. a guy with hle team + S cx in my bracket

score ~550

[edgy hamlet]

yea idk what im doing wrong. I tried following a ref exactly but I seem to be adding way more rime trauma and the timing gets all messed up

[steady osprey]

i rmb fdd buff cc duration but not sure about more trauma

[pallid flare]

finally at least 687... that#s all i can manage.

i don't even want to climb to nirvana or so, but at least i don't want to drop... imagine following the meta and then you still drop down from red lotus wtf XD and that happened already

[steady osprey]

if u dont really wanna go nirv u shouldnt do it early

[pallid flare]

is saturday early?

[steady osprey]

what if everyone in bracket also score low

-er than u

low chance though. im just tryna make u worry

[thick aspen]

He frenzies after his debuff clears

[steady osprey]

ah that's right my bad. i had wrong impression. yeah when i dmg him down to 50% while still vulnerable he stand up early and THEN frenzy so i think it is bcs the 50% hp lol

frenzy also doesnt end/clear trauma too kewk i thought it was buggy

[unreal parrot]

uh i got coralie for ely, do you guys um, think i can get enough crystals in 13 days or do i have to swipe

[thick aspen]

Yeah reaching 50% will insta clear the debuff

[craggy plume]

If it is just for support you save for next valk. I would not recommend getting weapon and if you don't have a lot of one time sources left you would need to spend a lot.

[unreal parrot]

welp, it's just for support, hopefully she reruns next patch, I got her in a random ten pull

[upper crown]

Should I get new elysia or wait for newer battle suit

I’m at 2 pulls left

[steady osprey]

can u guarantee weapon

[violet horizon]

Global people do their abyss sunday like 4 hours before 💔

Usually do it once incase forget to check on sun

[past torrent]

do we have an Elysian Realm guide yet? For the new Elysia

[half hatch]

yeah check pins

[red monolith]

Badum/Vita or Horb for Sparkle?

[past torrent]

hey, should I backpull on Chenxue?

[steady osprey]

unless u super competitive, aop is normally not recommended

[past torrent]

oh

who do I use on Elysia then

just Dreamseeker?

[half hatch]

if you have songque she's probably slightly better but yeah Dreamseeker works just fine

[scenic trellis]

i tried this week went full bodh and weapon skills , easy mode 20k points

never had an easier realm then with elysia

[scenic trellis]

i dont get the signet names, in the guide they are kalpas mobius su2 pardofelis1 what does it mean

am i missing some connection with the ingame names?

griseo i get cause its cause of the painting mech

[half hatch]

well every signet belongs to one flamechasers

and the 1 or 2 are the core signets

[scenic trellis]

ohhhh thanks

makes sense, easier now to understand the guide

❤️

[steady osprey]

painting mech is named star?

[scenic trellis]

no idea dont know the name xD just know there are paint colors xD

and where can we see ingame which signet belongs to which flamechaser?

[idle abyss]

each signet icon you can kind of tie in with the flamechaser to remember, also when you get close to the portal it'll tell you what the name of them are

[elfin parrot]

!faq fc

[night parcel]

Flamechasers and ER Signet Guides

Yo, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Elysian Realm Flamechasers guide!

Take note of their appearance, name, signet name and signet icon. Often beginners will get stuck trying to follow ER signet guides as they don't know who our Flamechasers are yet - and that's okay!

Ai-chan apologises if some icons are hard to see!

[scenic trellis]

thanks ❤️

[violet horizon]

So is like 710-720 the highest scores for those w/o chenuix op

W Hle team

[half hatch]

should be able to get a few more points

https://youtu.be/wB5pFa5BofM?si=Q1oHysPAZ4xQGbRd

[pale palm]

Why is he not taking any damage
after the first SO,when he was taking big hits,after that he barely takes any damage,it's like he gets massive damage reduction buff

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/myhZFBe.png

hm actually i don't see the freeze trauma icon above his head which is normally what happens when you need to freeze him

but what might be happening is you're freezing him right before he activates that state

which won't qualify and makes you deal with a longer duration of him not being vulnerable

[pale palm]

I just make the screenshot a second lated,he was frozed

[elfin parrot]

did you make sure he entered frenzy state first before freezing?

[pale palm]

I just attack non stop,I am on a timer
I don't even know when he is supposed to do to enter that state

[formal wigeon]

after transition he gets vulnerable, after he gets down to 50% health (or on a timer if you don't reach that health) he purges everything and starts his frenzy animation, you gotta let him do that then freeze when the gauge appears above his head

[elfin parrot]

after the hitcount intermission you can go by this meter at the corner of the hp bar at least https://i.imgur.com/YGqA7ci.png

[formal wigeon]

and this frenzy is delayed by TF and sus-anni so avoid those at this time

if you freeze too early he'll also keep the dmg reduction

it's another case of old boss not being made for p2 mechanics, it used to line up well with dps downtime and support rots

[elfin parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/XJf1mtW.png

[pale palm]

is this boss even possible to remain the the top 10 without PS?
He just stays on his pillar and laughing at me...coward

[elfin parrot]

it's a hitcount shield

so anything with high hitcount can work. PS is most notable but lesser options might be good enough depending on your competition

hohe teams can use thelema spamming weapon tap

paws might be ok? I'm not sure how FDD weapon active spam would be

HLE's basics have a rapid hitcount section too

[pale palm]

all of them are like 3-4 times slower than PS 🙁

[half hatch]

if you have fdd you can knock him off the pillar and clear the HC with paws pretty easily

[pale palm]

I can?

[half hatch]

yes, you need a timed fdd qte once you see the HC appear under the boss HP bar

take a look at 0:40 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430057371641970708/1441553535052550278/1121.mp4?ex=6922df99&is=69218e19&hm=3fa80b37ecb9d10f836f4bb4895387d45791cade28935075d2df554cf9596266&

[pale palm]

😆

[umbral vigil]

what's the best char in yippee arcade in 1v1?

[eager smelt]

griseo too strong she gets most of her kills on round 2

[vernal terrace]

TA good too

[junior wigeon]

should i pull chenxue, I currently only have (Songque & Theresa)

[open bone]

Are you regularly in nirvana? Or are you attempting to change that?

[foggy vapor]

is there any chance HoHE beats FDD in HLE/PS team against kalpas?

[open bone]

FDD is better but you can still skill issue an fdd player

[foggy vapor]

got it i have fdd its probs skill issue then

[open bone]

all else equal fdd will do better but all else is rarely equal

they might also have an astral op or ranks or just better attack on hle

[foggy vapor]

i got lucky and have SS chenxue

[open bone]

and what are you scoring?

[foggy vapor]

the valks are all 4/4 and HLE is S2. score is 613

[open bone]

in rl?

[foggy vapor]

yuh

[open bone]

you should be able to get 750+ with that

record a run?

[foggy vapor]

ill try recording my next one, but my pc hates trying to record hoyo games

[open bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB5pFa5BofM here's a ref for it if that's easier

[foggy vapor]

thanks! i see what i was doing wrong now

[open bone]

np

[foggy vapor]

also would help to actually have affixes on HLE lmao

[small salmon]

any suggestions on how to fight the SSS bosses? idk how to cope effectively here

[elfin parrot]

What i'm about to say is all cope strategies. If you're looking for actual real strategies, they're highly specific but you can find resources in the pins.

LoA teams are very effective for stalling the timer in arena. The LoA leaders you have are FWS, PS, and RS.

First boss is Paros

• who is SD type. So FWS lead or support along with JDS support can be considered here.
• The boss also has mechanics with status ailments so FDD or PAWS can be considered too
• The second boss is qua who counters img. So maybe we can use RS lead here instead of there, or just exclude her from leader roles entirely (can still be a support option)

Second boss is Kosma

• who is qua type. This counters img so avoid RS lead here.
• There is a transition phase with high hitcount across three mobs. Maybe PS and/or Vita can be considered for this.

Third boss is an SS fight that's much weaker than the above. Whoever you have left can go here. Consider HoHE lead with thelema and maybe even sena possibly.

@small salmon

[small salmon]

yes, the ss boss is super easy

[elfin parrot]

hm tbh i'm not sure what you can do about paros' transition when the spears all want freeze trauma apparently? The only one you have for that is thelema so maybe JDS dps with Sena sub dps and thelema utility??? Sounds really bad for MA tbh

but i'm not too familiar how the timer works during that phase or what the benefits or consequences are there

you won't be able to copy this at all but maybe it can give you partial ideas on what to do in specific parts or how to cycle some teams. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmr0jK3XFrs

[vernal terrace]

Pain that Paros is very HLE reliant

[small salmon]

i just did FWS, JDS, FDD on paros and seems like 2nd phase get a lot tankier when not interacting with the spears. got full rewards at least. that's all i care about on the new SSS bosses i don't have the unit for.

thanks for the suggestion.

[elfin parrot]

use hohe for abyss kalpas

but yeah glad it helped at least

[small salmon]

my hohe is S0 and is apperently so bad that my SS Lantern did WAY better than her lol

anyway, i go sleep. whatever happens in my bracket happens.

[flat rain]

Can I say something? Is my account bad for how old it is

Should I just give up because I have no idea how to fix it

[open bone]

you look like you have... luna, horb paws for non free battlesuits? and no horb dkey

You have two strategies to fix this. Way 1, you start saving crystals, using mostly paws DPS with VBM support, maybe skip 8.6 since ||you don't have her supports||, and then once you have a decent stockpile start pulling until you have a full team

depending on things MHY doesn't tell us yet and your luck you could start bouncing RL anywhere between 8.7 and 9.9

you could also make a new account, and if you reroll for HLE you could probably get RL by 8.7 for sure. Fundamentally it's your call

neither is permenantly bricked

[flat rain]

You can kind of tell return to this game a few times

[open bone]

it just depends on if you're in a hurry or not

and if you're attached to it

[flat rain]

I got a new account once before and I kind of just missed my Valks

[open bone]

then yeah just stick with this one and save imo

you can use paws VBM VBS, probably stick around in A2 fine

if you have a lot of prisms maybe craft vbm stigs

[flat rain]

I feel like if these people saw my account they would be let down they let me in

[open bone]

(unless you already did?)

[open bone]

Why would they be? If you're doing daily missions and contributing to commissions and doing warehouse exchanges and sim battles

thats worth way more than bragging rights of seeing their guild name on a leaderboard imo

[flat rain]

Sometimes I do commissions, but other times I do but most of the time I just do is sim battle

[elfin parrot]

oh. yeah that prob makes more sense. lamp definitely slipped from my mind and i didn't see the ss rank lol

[open bone]

that is probably fine but if you feel guilty you could just do a set of commissions daily and then they definitely wouldnt have anything to complain abt

how is your prism stockpile doing?

[flat rain]

Huh?

[open bone]

if you have a lot of prisms you could craft VBM's stigmas (and maybe VBS' too if you really had a lot) and that would probably make paws DPS less painful to play

but VBS' are much less important

because a lot of them are locked to ws

[iron arrow]

How do I get the new weapon for Elysia Human ego?

[open bone]

It will rerun in about 2 weeks

probably not worth pulling for meta but if you like her go wild

[open bone]

You could afford to craft vb, stigmas if you wanted to, since you have the ticket, but I wouldn't upgrade them or craft VBS stigmas

the stigmas in question are tsiolkovsky, I think you might already have 1 of htem but im not certain

they are a fairly major buff to vbm

[flat rain]

Is that what you’re talking about?

[open bone]

no, those are elysia's stigmas

Tsiolkovsky is for valkyrie blastmetal, like I said

I think you have 1 in the middle fo the third row here:

and then you could forge the other two if you wanted

and that would make her better at supporting paws

[pale musk]

I need around 600 to be safe and 610 to make top 3 in RL. I've been making attempts ut they haven't been going well. Any ideas? At least on high of a score can I get?
https://youtu.be/kA1ye-ZyNec?si=OsaJRLKqQhOZSQdh
https://youtu.be/8N6c1ozfCzo

[fluid hornet]

what stigma affixes do you want on elys new battlesuit

[elfin parrot]

atk

[fluid hornet]

sd type atk? or jus reg or they r both the same

[elfin parrot]

a neutral atk affix has a lower cap of 16 or so. If you roll into it and can't get anything higher then it's fine to stick with it

but otherwise any specialized atk that fits hle

!faq affix

[night parcel]

Everything you need to know about Affixes

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the in-depth Affixing guide!

Overall, you should only affix Best-in-Slot Stigmata and generally aim to get as much Atk as possible on your DPS Valkyries first. Ensure that the Battlesuit/Weapon Type matches what the Affix line demands otherwise the Atk will not apply.

Remember only Physical Damage can crit, and "crit ratios" do not apply to Honkai Impact 3rd.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[fluid hornet]

OML did not know the server had this thank you

[elfin parrot]

beware affixes are a big resource sink and i don't recommend investing in them unless you recognize an actual need (slightly off from your needed score) or if you're in very high tiers of the game

any affix you spend early on arguably can be more fixed with better execution or wouldn't fix any team/gear/rank gaps you may be having

[fluid hornet]

thank you ur the best fr

[elfin parrot]

• For the opener, the way you waited for thelema to land before using MoI looks slow. Maybe take a page out of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu3cpIaCFZY&list=PL7PX42EmQabYhWYg5T8NkOXXpc-GfQ0n0&index=4
• I don't think you should overstay before doing your first outburst. You're not buffed by Vita so your damage is especially low there. Your outburst skipped a weapon active which is prob more time efficient to actually use instead.
• not sure if kiana elf is best here. She barely buffs ice. try out DS too.
• for the end of p1, maybe end outburst a bit sooner. You have an enhanced weapon active to use on hohe at that point

For transition

• maybe observe what was done with thelema here to see how much ARI you can farm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VacDFScgZM&list=PL7PX42EmQabYhWYg5T8NkOXXpc-GfQ0n0&index=1
  • perhaps this can justify sena over vita without sera op (since you can't really manually set up sena's breach)
• if you do have to use vita here:
  • consider never using her CA. Just use the transition to farm sp/deal hitcount for her ult to buff the team. Other teammates can gain the ARI from her stellar drain instead.
  • if you need specifically her stellar drain from abyssal energy stacks, then maybe do the CA in transition so you can make better use of the disorientation time at the start of p2

for phase 2

• you spent a portion of the disorientation vulnerability (look at the bottom right of kalpas hp bar at the top) period wastefully on Vita's CA. This is melee too iirc. Don't value the damage from it. If you need the stellar drain, do it in transition
• thelema's ult does inflict a debuff so cast this early when making her dps https://i.imgur.com/h0VkLzQ.png
• thele air hold weap is pretty slow
• your freeze stacks could prob be better managed

i didn't check the second video tbh but work with these ideas for now

if you still need someone to review that second one, then you can bump your topic

ideally you outburst during a vulnerability period but your first video couldn't do it right after transition, and didn't get to make use of the full third outburst

i assume no HLE?

i'm not truly going to know what kind of score you can get, but it does seem like you have a good chunk to save esp from the vulnerability periods

[pale musk]

ye, I'll make another vid with Vita.
I can get the stamps from the 'secret garden's enchantement' event to get ely to SS but if I do then I lose out on SS1 HoTR

[elfin parrot]

SS hohe is prob a big boost while i don't recall anything notable from SS1-SS3 hotr

and SSS hotr is prob too far at this point to derive value from ||(esp with next patch in mind)||

but do see how you can fair with your current state as is

[junior flume]

what team for sss kosma, no hle dragon cora badum hofi hoo

[elfin parrot]

no sparkle or theresa?

[junior flume]

no that’s why i hate qua

im just going for 7%

[elfin parrot]

you're prob looking to bruteforce timer stall this one with an LoA team

prob not RS dps though since she's img which gets TC'd

[junior flume]

my badum..

[elfin parrot]

there's still PS which you didn't forbid from your initial post?

[junior flume]

yeap

[elfin parrot]

so maybe something like PS, JDS, PAWS or something. A high hitcount is nice for transition too

[junior flume]

ps songq helia?

[elfin parrot]

yeah

[junior flume]

ok ty

[elfin parrot]

you will prob want to plan out the collapse on p2 or stop doing stuff when you anticipate it coming

and you do have other heavenly shift valks to choose from aside from what i specified

[junior flume]

yeah i’ll just play around a bit than kyou

[spiral raven]

i do have a run so u can refer to it if u want

[elfin parrot]

i would like to see it posted. I feel this is my second time answering an MA cope question today so it'll prob be appreciated by random lurkers or whatnot

[spiral raven]

#👶beginner-help message

[elfin parrot]

oh lol

[spiral raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217310759424622724/1428986289264267345/n7Q2w-2z8vXeT3cSkc-kc.gif

[pale musk]

during transition, is that eva>jump>wep or just eva>wep?

[elfin parrot]

you can look at the sp or ari count for that

but i assumed it was ground evade > weap tap

maybe you can sneak a evade > jump > evade > weap too

[pale musk]

I can't tell

[elfin parrot]

you understand how much you gain per evade right?

2 team sp and 1 ari?

there's even a +2sp label whenever it happens

and in the case of thelema the weapon adds +2 to the ARI

for a total of +3 ari per ult evade

you can kinda see it going up 3 every time per thelema attack + evade cycle

so they're prob only doing a single evade

maybe you can go for more. idk. you'll have to play with that at that point

[iron mesa]

I didn't mean to I swear

[elfin parrot]

who stole the ely pieces lol

[iron mesa]

probably delta

actually, it was scarlet fusion for sure

[elfin parrot]

what the heck was cooking back there lmao

[iron mesa]

Nah that one is just fun

[elfin parrot]

yeah sure seemed like it lol

[iron mesa]

this is cope cooking

also on SF, didn't even have an extra newt piece back then. I think I only had 3 newts when I was using this

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/NmD3jBo5EzE I followed some of this stuff and it's about the same.

[pale musk]

I didn't, good to know.

[iron mesa]

🤔 who is the most funny ranged character I can use on this boss that might outdamage stigless elysia?

wait

GD DPS

SW would be good too, it'd be the first boss I've every used her for

[vernal terrace]

Ranged Kalpas was SW's boss before HLE took it

[elfin parrot]

beginning is still a bit sloppy

• stalled too long after ely's CA
• you were at 128 ARI before the weap/stellar drain. So you prob didn't need to do 2-3 thele evades there

p1 outburst

• hm maybe cut out the last weapon from p1 outburst. I know I said to do it earlier but you can see it nearly finished off p1. An ult finisher and maybe a CA can get close enough while giving you more ARI refund from an earlier ult.
• you may even opt to ult even earlier for a greater converted refund, or maybe avoid p1 outburst entirely, and try to prep for an outburst at the start of p2

transition

• vita CA only brought you from 17 > 43? So around 25? can prob check this in the skill descriptions. Keep in mind other valks on the team can trigger her stellar drain without the abyssal stacks instead.
• you didn't get to farm much from thelema here
• overall i feel you would benefit more from thelema farming evades while ignoring vita's CA

p2

• again i think figuring out a way to overlap outburst with vuln period is potent if possible
• thelema being TC'd and melee really makes her not ideal as a dps here. I forgot to point it out earlier. HoHE might be the better dps even though she's normally mediocre
• when i say better freeze stack management, since you're not SS thele, try to make sure you enter kalpas frenzy phase with 3 stacks
• again, consider omitting vita's CA but i'm not sure if it's better here since you are doing it for ult sp

maybe we should consider a different team entirely btw. Do you have any other ranged non mech dps? lantern perhaps?

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/oPbbxjnndEM also here's w/Sena

[iron mesa]

barley beat stigless Ely

[elfin parrot]

here's why i don't want to consider sena too much https://i.imgur.com/dDotjCV.jpeg

you can see the team breach she provides runs out around here (i guess you only needed to spend like 10 ari unbuffed in this case so it's not the worst)

whereas vita gives you a bit more control on starting it later (albeit at the cost of needing to farm or swap to it more manually)

[iron mesa]

🤔 I could probably use HRB with Ely instead of HS, I always forget she exists

[pale musk]

I have every p2 except Lantern, new ely and Sparkle

[elfin parrot]

hmm... do you want to try PS dps? She has type counter and is neutral to the weather

and you have S teri op right?

oh wait i'm not sure how you would freeze

[pale musk]

I do, I'll try in a few minutes.

[pale musk]

I probably wouldn't. There's HoH but that barely works.

[elfin parrot]

yeah i don't think she's enough

or if it's even possible at all

it's really just hle or thele afaik

there's JDS dps too but i'm not sure if that's any better

i did link the playlist earlier and you may have seen it earlier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77tI1mVUJuw

but jds has very similar traits to hohe so it's just a matter of which is more powerful on your account

[pale musk]

jds is just S while Ely is S2 (potentialy SS) so Ely probably is stronger.

[elfin parrot]

ranks are not equal across valks

and hohe is a weird case of being an older valk but a newer AR unit

i suppose there's p1 JDS too but that takes alot more skill to play and to manage her triple CAs

[iron mesa]

why am I stuck as S1 HRB, this is cancer reeee

It's 6 frags just rerun her or someting

[dusky mantle]

Errr

No ps. Who to use now?

Hle paws fws/fdd?

Hmmm

Actually horb as the WA time to cook

[elfin parrot]

hle paws fdd probably. Search up mango's posts for a video of how fdd brings kalpas down from the pillar into paws' melee range

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/C7AIHDCN4qQ
I ulted earlier and ended up with something like this.

[elfin parrot]

but you didn't outburst as soon as p2 started?

at least you have it ready

keep in mind disorientation only lasts 15s but p2 rotations can be like 25s

[pale musk]

I need to freeze him don't I? For more buff

[elfin parrot]

no. that's for frenzy after

[pale musk]

Does Ely have buff if enemy is frozen?

[elfin parrot]

the freeze on frenzy is to remove the damage reduction he gains

i don't think so. you might be thinking of pardofelis days

[pale musk]

Then why does she rely on Thel? Is it just AR farming?

[elfin parrot]

you still need to freeze after when frenzy comes up

and yes the ari farming helps too

along with thele's hitcount on the WA

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/WL-hbNVY9vI anyway here's my songque attempt. I could do better but this should at least give a good idea of the damage.

[elfin parrot]

there's no need to freeze kalpas in p1 either btw

tbh it's still hard for me to determine which is better when things are still not quite optimized

[crude wedge]

How do i click the menuss

[elfin parrot]

press right alt to toggle back to keyboard mode
or hold left alt to gain mouse control

[crude wedge]

Yayyy

[pale musk]

are you here tomorrow? I should get better but it's almost 1am.

[elfin parrot]

i can't guarantee it but feel free to ping me anyway. otherwise others can help

anyway the fight generally goes as follows

p1

• meteor opener. persistent hitbox to evade off of
• nothing else special in p1
  transition
• the elevated aspect makes you need more ranged/well timed/exploits to reduce his high hitcount
• persistent hitbox to evade off of
  p2
• disorientation period with damage vulnerability. make the most of this period with outburst ideally
• once disorientation ends, kalpas will queue entering frenzy. Do not freeze during this point or else you'll stall it
• once entering frenzy gains 75% dmg reduction. Freeze to end it. Generally aim to deal damage following this.
• from this point you basically cycle between him starting frenzy and you freezing him
• at 50% of p2 hp, he'll reset his trauma and freeze state so get ready to reapply around this time (if you have enough damage you can possibly ignore this? but prob not the case for you)

i do feel this is possibly uphill overall and asking for 200 more points might be much

but i do feel you might get considerably much more damage from overlapping outburst with disorientation vulnerability and have yet to see you do that fully

[pale musk]

Here's my last two for the night https://youtu.be/pkosg9NC0Ak

https://youtu.be/gRRBtT7A6Rs

[elfin parrot]

for outburst in p2, this is more of what i'm looking for but end it right before the disorientation ends. This way you get the most of the finisher damage and get some refund on ARI since you're looking to cast another one

you keep doing alot of extra actions on thelema. Once frenzy starts, just aim to freeze. Can refer to the songque video i linked earlier. And in general maybe minimize thelema's dps period. 50% less melee damage and 30% less damage from type counter is going to be much worse than any advantage she otherwise has over HoHE or JDS non outburst damage.

for songque, maybe pogo (worse damage but faster speed) before the first SO since you have less damage (no vita ult) and extra ARI

[pale musk]

ok, ty

[elfin parrot]

oh sorry to keep you up. i figured you would look at that later lol

but yeah resume tomorrow. don't overexert yourself over this scenario

for transition, maybe use vita first to get some possibly better(?) hitcount in before the fire pillar happens that thele wants to evade farm off of

and don't spend thele's ult at the end of p1. Yes there's a debuff from it but you're not making full use of it anyway with cleaning up the remaining p1 hp. Save it for transition. From this point you can balance out how much extra time you can stay in outburst with how much you can farm to compensate

for jds outburst in p2, use the second phantom sooner. The vuln period ended before you really got to your latter major damage. ult to end outburst before he frenzies

[pale musk]

It’s okay, I was worried you might not be here tomorrow and then I’d be told to do something completely different later.