💁gameplay-help

[elfin parrot]

i misread that bit

hm but in that case i don't like the 5s cd it has when i'm testing a flurry of mixed ranged/melee attacks

(loltp)

[crude cloak]

Doesn't she swap between 2 modes

And the default is full ranged iirc

[elfin parrot]

i don't remember too well anymore. I'm pretty sure there was a mix somewhere

[crude cloak]

True ig, but I assume you can play around that in most cases

If not all

[elfin parrot]

oh god that's a nightmare to do but sure

you can start the cd early and then time your sequence so the desired attack happens at that 5s cd

not to say bronya backup is perfect either

it won't be helpful if your attack animation makes the damage value go off screen or if there's too many hits happening that obstruct each other

[rigid cedar]

isnt it a unrestricted duration?

[elfin parrot]

first part was talking about kiana summer. second part is talking about bronya backup

[rigid cedar]

that cant really be fixed by a stigma, need the dps check counter for that

[elfin parrot]

yeah i'm just saying bronya isn't perfect either lol

and maybe the effect of the summer set can show up while bronya cannot

so it might be nice to have both for those who really want to get deep into this stuff

but anyway i'm just being digressively exploratory

personally i've never done any testing with bronya backup myself

[rigid cedar]

yeah, too bad it was already in a time capsule so unlikely I can pick up either

[elfin parrot]

maybe it'll come back again

[crude cloak]

Stuff reappears there, dw

I think I have it, and I'm not that old

[elfin parrot]

but anyway it's just weird things like that that i prefer to stay reserved

that said i do think it was fine of you guys to just default and push for ovt t

[rigid cedar]

its still good to know if any other stig has a use

[elfin parrot]

i mean anything can if you have a nuanced enough and arbitrary enough personal objective lol

shoutouts to rino using hannah m for some old doom strats

[rigid cedar]

damn

[crude cloak]

Nvm

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNjF4IFOpwU it prob wasn't necessary and definitely not in this day and age but hey

[crude cloak]

😭

[rigid cedar]

anything for memes

[elfin parrot]

oh hey this evens out lol https://i.imgur.com/mxM47jX.png

[thick aspen]

i tried the new doom strat with sushang and it was just ass

back to vq

[elfin parrot]

funny story, i'm still using the hannah m strat even though there are better ones my account can prob do

doom is such an ass fight i cba to learn newer strats

[rigid cedar]

i could only do 1s with it, timing is stupidly tight

however, no ala

[elfin parrot]

i'm still skeptical of unseen decimal point variances though

[thick aspen]

vq especially with SSS senti is now ez you can skip spear at start just dodge with senti and time vq weapon as the boss spawns

[elfin parrot]

ram confirmed better than me

yeah so about that...

[rigid cedar]

[elfin parrot]

i've been working on sss mobi instead of hs this entire time lol

[crude cloak]

Paid off on that random-ass Starless Wolf cycle, huh

[elfin parrot]

no i didn't have it back then

[crude cloak]

Ah, so just PTSD

[elfin parrot]

i still am working towards sss actually

[thick aspen]

embrace the true uselessness

[elfin parrot]

yes very ptsd. i had one run that broke p1 cleanly and never again after hours and days of attempts

[thick aspen]

im almost done with SSS hofs, surely they will run HoD again in ma

[elfin parrot]

the real driving factor was i picked up mobi summer costume after

[crude cloak]

Wtf whel

[crude cloak]

Surely

[elfin parrot]

but the driving force behind getting that skin was CH skin ptsd

discounts for skin reruns are scary

[thick aspen]

but did you pick up the mobi summer costume figya

[elfin parrot]

i'm not a figurine person sadly so no

[thick aspen]

with higher rank i saw actually run with only sushang and sparkle

its exactly the same rot but sushang kills the boss with her weapon so fast that the tail end of her combo attack actually kills the clones

sparkles headshot finishes the run

[rigid cedar]

i already lacked atk, no way i can do that with 2 valks

[thick aspen]

yea yea me neither

[rigid cedar]

hofi looked sad either way

[thick aspen]

idk if it was ss+3 or even 3s

[rigid cedar]

ah man, missed opportunity for hannah m

[thick aspen]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1j3GHzBEi3/ this guy just flexing

o wait lol thats masters

its probably just s0+1 then

[rigid cedar]

dmg doesnt add up either, the boss is definitely less tanky

compared to my run dmg

i didnt know you already get 3 bosses for lvl 70-80

[crude cloak]

Fortunately

[vernal terrace]

They're all SS I believe

[thick aspen]

black hole of money

[rigid cedar]

black hole bigger than most ppls sunk cost fallacy in this game

[elfin parrot]

ok i guess i remembered wrong. I observed non fervent tp seems entirely ranged and benefitted from bronya backup, while fervent attacks are not significantly affected by bronya backup

i actually observed a one damage drop across most if not all attacks in fervent when swapping stigs so i guess sirin is slightly more atk than bronya backup despite them displaying 10 atk lol

classic hoyo hidden decimal places

[full trench]

what teams should i use on door/doom

[formal wigeon]

TP should be fully ranged outside fervent and fully melee during it yeah

[half hatch]

FWS+jds+ps/paws is pretty good on door

do you have any p1 stuff for 0 sec doom

?

[rigid cedar]

doom need strats to be invented, thelema isnt enough

[full trench]

no

[rigid cedar]

i only got it with ps sparkle and hofi

[half hatch]

they prob want thele on heph anyway

[rigid cedar]

definitely

[rigid cedar]

hofi or coralie, but sus overtime t with ala mb instead

i did aladdin-less and got 1s

[full trench]

should have bought bp for ala 💔

when is the event stig box coming btw i remember something about that

[rigid cedar]

its in the space shooter event

[full trench]

oh lol forgor about that

[rigid cedar]

only useful ones there are sus overtime and I guess bronya backup for testing which attacks count as ranged

cant choose a stig you already own

[mortal jetty]

When do we even use that bronya back up stig anyway ? We didn't have ranged weather since ages now

[formal wigeon]

well it also works backwards to find out what is melee by virtue of them not being ranged

(outside the obvious bleed/ignite stuff)

but it's useless in a practical "use it in a run" standpoint, it's just a tool for confirming stuff

[mortal jetty]

🧱

[spiral raven]

not that u can invent it out of nothing but the reason why there isn't a lot of options is cuz for low ranks, the amount of susani u need is quite high

susannah works rly well cuz her ult is able to cover the entire time from the first mob ded til the endassuming u kill it on the final hit

its f2p best option p1 wise

since she don't need any of her sig and can still work

senti's gear can be quite flexible if susannah ult can kill, going full dps would make it very easy if you 1 shot the first mob, so that means like elysia's g4 set with dante m, or even bianka tm + cez b, but ofc if your sussanah lack dmg then u need to bring something like dr mei instead

hos actually doable with low rank by using elf earlier to help kill the first mob, if the first one gets below half hp, u get sp bag

its actually ok if u dont 1 shot the first mob immediately its just ur timing is a lot more tight

[spiral raven]

anyone know if the evade fish skip is still here or did they patch it along with the machine gun

[normal crane]

hi, is it ok to skip the next banner? Is she like really good or no

[lament prairie]

!faq vita

A wrong one

!faq pullvita

[night parcel]

Vita

Despite being a must-pull on her release, Vita is no longer recommended to pull for.

This is due to a combination of factors:

• New releases take priority.
• Vita cannot support Grail of Infinitude or future ring types.
• She is not best in Wheel of Destiny teams unless ranked.
• In Law of Ascension teams, she is typically not BiS but it depends on the boss/team.
• Vita DPS relies heavily on HoFi (with Waxing Moon equipped) and is not shilled frequently.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[lament prairie]

Save for next patch

[eager smelt]

fish skip still here

[spiral raven]

guess im not escaping it for sa later at the end of patch

[eager smelt]

fish skip is eternal

ur not escaping it next patch either

[spiral raven]

im tired of fish skipping

[mortal jetty]

Imagine fish skipping

[spiral raven]

too many ppl fish skip here

[full trench]

not enough people fish skip

until everyone in a3 is doing it we need more converts

[thick aspen]

barely anyone is doing it anymore after you cant do it with jump

[spiral raven]

yea, there's only a few refs that i can find using it

its prob diff this time

[eager smelt]

game has less malders

already barely anyone doing it before jump patch

[thick aspen]

nah

plenty of even casuals were doing it before

[eager smelt]

delulu

[round arch]

didnt get any weather where its actually useful

well, except Sa

[normal crane]

is the new incoming coralie a must pull

[half hatch]

nothing is a true must pull. if you can't afford her + weapon it's prob best to do the discounted and skip if you don't get her from that|| but from what i've seen she's pretty good as both a GoI and LoA support||

[normal crane]

OK MANGO

[vernal terrace]

Wasn't Vita?

[half hatch]

she was extremly recommended to the point that she still held higher pull value than sparkle in sparkle patch but if you couldn't afford her you simply couldn't

[vernal terrace]

Sheesh

Not during this now though

[ashen thorn]

[eager smelt]

but thats because sparkle bad

[ashen thorn]

I got vita out of gambling

[half hatch]

that also played into it but vita's value was already pretty high to begin with but yeah ig that example wasnt the best

[mortal jetty]

Can you argue?

[thick aspen]

sparle is bad because her gameplay is horrible

not because shes not useful

if she was actually bad then you wouldnt need to play her and suffer from the gameplay

[boreal eagle]

just SSS her

[ashen thorn]

Am I cooked for getting vita

[spiral raven]

not cooked when u dont seem to be caring too much about meta anyways

[mortal jetty]

We also have a lot of bad valk because of gameplay tho..this is not something new...I was talking about utility

[fair bough]

Are there any additions to war treasury next patch

[thick aspen]

no

[stray orbit]

returnee here (and with a bad memory), i noticed i still have the free elf box. if i claim elf Elysia from it what rank will she get?

[rigid cedar]

still 3*, you only get 105 fragments out of the box

and you need 150

i would wait until another spending event has more fragments

unless you have another elf in mind, like kiaelf

[stray orbit]

oh

yeah pointless then, ig i pick kiaelf?

[rigid cedar]

i mean it depends on your goals really

[stray orbit]

id like to stay in rl

[rigid cedar]

you can easily do that with dreamseeker

if you want to be more comfortable, kiaelf is a good thing to consider. Just keep in mind that you'd want 3* for her to have a 5 ARI gap instead of 10 compared to Dreamseeker

[stray orbit]

p2 chars for reference all 4/4, just lantern&helia no wp + Elysia divine key 4/4

[rigid cedar]

hm

[stray orbit]

ah well i wont have her 3* at all is it still worth

[stray orbit]

also

[rigid cedar]

here's Professor Sairaan's writeup about that specific box

it can help with knowing what each elf would bring you

in my opinion, i'd still go for kiaelf, because ely 4* actually doesn't provide much for part 2 ice teams. can't say much about part 1 though

[stray orbit]

tyvm!!

[half hatch]

tbf p1 ice teams are pretty much non-existent

[rigid cedar]

and in kiaelf's case, the Stellar Outburst buffs are dramatically higher than dreamseeker's

only your PS and JDS wouldn't get much from it

PB on the other hand wants 3* to be actually considerable with PS/JDS

[stray orbit]

only wanted to go Ely for fav character reason but i cant get her at max rank with this so eh id rather upgrade some of my chars w a new elf

[rigid cedar]

she's just worse otherwise

[stray orbit]

i have another box where i can get 18 frags of an elf but yeah not enough

[rigid cedar]

i mean its not like elf frags are out of the world

[stray orbit]

dont even have sus or kira 4/4 anyway

[rigid cedar]

like i said, spending events can have more frags

||just not the next mini spending in 8.4, unfortunately||

but i wouldnt see why they'd remove that option anytime soon

[edgy hamlet]

I can't believe I just spent like 15 mins watching cabbages grow

[spiral raven]

IRL?
why watch cabbage grow in game, when u can do it irl

[formal wigeon]

Ain't no casual if they know about fish skip

[rigid cedar]

what if they simp songque

[boreal eagle]

even my grandma could do it

[karmic pollen]

How can I save my HoR? I don’t have weapon for her, and can’t craft too

[crude cloak]

I assume you meant Reason and not Rebirth (they often are being confused)
Her weapon should be added to Reserve BP relatively soon (not next patch tho), and her sig stigs (Willows) will be able to be crafted directly next patch (so no need to craft G3 stigs to make G4 ones)

[karmic pollen]

I forgot about that, I meant Rebirth

[jovial crescent]

how do I get flawless benediction legacy?

[crude cloak]

Gacha-only

[jovial crescent]

okay thank you!

I have flawless return tho? Is it a dif weapon?

[crude cloak]

Then the next best option should be Path to Acheron: Kindred, but it ain't good

[crude cloak]

Her sig likely won't be obtainable for a pretty long while

[crude cloak]

Yeah, these are completely different

[jovial crescent]

okay thank you

[turbid minnow]

What's the average nirvana score for current abyss? Is 770 good?

[hybrid ingot]

is 3* kiana elf or ss entropy better in this team?

[round arch]

depends, you might just as well test ur DMG

[hybrid ingot]

depends on what?

[round arch]

on weather

Kiana does more DMG in SO while entropy does more outside SO

[hybrid ingot]

fr? i thought everyone deals more dmg during SO

[round arch]

I am doing comparison

Kiana vs entropy

[fierce crypt]

but seem 3* kiana is still worse than ds

[round arch]

Yes maybe just for Helia DPS cause most of the time you stay outside SO getting those 175 AR intensity and SO once only so yeah DS might be better for the team

While for other teams Kia 3star is better

[fierce crypt]

i mean need 4* kiana

+16% tdm in this team iirc

[round arch]

they dont have 4 star so yeah they should test and find out the optimal elf/ AO

[hybrid ingot]

idk but i seem to get higher score with 3* kiana

799 despite having s2 helia

[round arch]

hmm maybe, thats why I said to test

like DS was better for HOC

but kia was better for parvati

[rigid cedar]

3* kiaelf is usually better if you don't have to hold off on SO too long. Dmg outside SO is only a tiny bit lower, but the longer that time period lasts, the more the gains within SO are negated

speaking all from my own experience

especially redlotus

[hybrid ingot]

how big of a difference is songque op and 3* kiana?

[rigid cedar]

which rank on songque?

[hybrid ingot]

base

[round arch]

Big

even S songque does a lot more DMG outside SO

While in SO they both do mostly same DMG

[rigid cedar]

SO boost is lower though

[hybrid ingot]

cant believe my s2 helia still got beaten by sonque op

[round arch]

but the DMG gap outside SO is huge tho

[rigid cedar]

its arguable, something doesn't add up

[round arch]

songque does more DMG than 4 star kia outside SO

[rigid cedar]

where do you get that from

[round arch]

I am a nirvana player, been seeing it for months now

[round arch]

4 star kia is better than songque by a mild margin cause 4 star kiana does relatively more DMG in SO

[hybrid ingot]

i am now considering getting 4* kiana, i might have some spare elf frag boxes in my inventory

[rigid cedar]

I'd do it

the other viable elfs have a lower priority

[round arch]

get it

only SSS songque beats her

[hybrid ingot]

what about other elfs tho?

[round arch]

pretty useless other than project bunny if u have p1 physical teams

[hybrid ingot]

i do but my phys elf is dudu

[rigid cedar]

PB needs 3* to be better and only is with 2 or more physicals.
Same with Ely elf but it's really not worth the trouble due to having no use in part 1

[round arch]

then yes consider upgrading to PB if u can but 4 star kia more valuable

[rigid cedar]

PB use as 2* is essentially limited to part 1, nice gather too

wont be too useful in abyss though

[hybrid ingot]

all my elfs

not much use now

[round arch]

if you have the box, get 4 star kia

[mortal jetty]

Songque ss> kiana 3*

[round arch]

bruh, I alr told him

[mortal jetty]

Oh robbie prof

[rigid cedar]

you said it for S Songque though

[round arch]

S and SS same

[mortal jetty]

S songque =ss

There is no diff

[rigid cedar]

what

oh, world star only buffs

is it?

[round arch]

no, nothing

[rigid cedar]

[round arch]

just AR recovery

which is useless in 2025

[hybrid ingot]

uh how much frags do i need for 4*?

[rigid cedar]

150

box gives 105

[hybrid ingot]

how much does a dupe give?

[quasi pier]

105

[hybrid ingot]

dupe from this box gives 105??

[rigid cedar]

yes

[quasi pier]

yes

[hybrid ingot]

wow thats a lot

[rigid cedar]

id rather have it be a full upgrade

[hybrid ingot]

tru

[round arch]

no asaphielao prof

[hybrid ingot]

welp time to test this baby out

well that wasnt much of an improvement, only got like 4 score higher

[rigid cedar]

still the best you can get from that box with what you have

+8% TDM doesn't sound crazy, until you realize it applies no matter what

[hybrid ingot]

im still wondering if its a rot problem

mine with 808

guy above me with 815

[round arch]

bruh

your not paralyzing at the right time

[hybrid ingot]

is s2 kiana that big a buff?

[round arch]

thats the issue

[hybrid ingot]

wdym at the right time?

[mortal jetty]

If you miss paralyze you are doing 0 damage

I guess you are in RL?

[hybrid ingot]

yes RL

[mortal jetty]

You are definitely doing something wrong

You need to time your paralyse and do the damage when the boss is paralyzed

[hybrid ingot]

that sounds a bit complex

[round arch]

you should score 850+ easily

https://youtu.be/OSPtgBz8WbY?si=NA__4yfoemS7yPzu

[mortal jetty]

Normally its not xD you just need to time your paralyze and make sure that your buff are still up

[round arch]

just for an idea

[round arch]

just keep the paralyze meter exactly like he did

[hybrid ingot]

yep seems like its a rot problem

welp my score is 825 now

gotta optimize the rot more

[full sky]

BRUH 830

I'm an idiot sandwhich, I used Teri instead of DS

[hybrid ingot]

i still have no idea how u expect me to get 850

828 is the most i can get

[round arch]

the ref is w s helia and ss dreamseeker

[round arch]

noiceee

[full sky]

Well I'm not there yet but I'm on my way to

[round arch]

840 incoming

[full sky]

no TwT

[mortal jetty]

You can 845 +

But you need good hands

[buoyant thistle]

who is the next walk banner? after vita and after sparkle?

[quasi pier]

after vita is next patch with coralie

[hoary pebble]

its possible to get 830 even with a S2 HoH right?

[round arch]

ye, HOHE ranks doesnt matter

[hoary pebble]

nice no wait in that case im just having a skill issue

[round arch]

just keep on trying, ull get used to it

[round arch]

yeah the paralysis meter

[full sky]

More like good skills

[mortal jetty]

Good skill= good hand

[round arch]

you need to practice to get good skills

good skills doesnt come from day 1

[hoary pebble]

oh wow its lagging so much that when i try to rapidly tap the attack button i use Helias combo attack instead hopefully 810 is enough for rl

[full sky]

Depends on your team

But with Ely and FWS as support you could do 830-840

[hoary pebble]

i dont know what im doing wrong tbh im trying to record a video but it just isnt working

[thick aspen]

proffie

[mortal jetty]

Pro

[full sky]

Welp I'm trying to get the stellar with Kiana like in the vid at the intro bu I somehow can't do it

Bug impact 3rd

[buoyant thistle]

After carolie?

[modern yew]

No info

[quasi pier]

we don't know yet

[full sky]

No info yet

[crude cloak]

@narrow cedar go diff this guy rq

[narrow cedar]

is that aponia

RL or nirvana

[crude cloak]

RL
You probs can diff him regardless

[narrow cedar]

i also don't have signature weapon

don't think i'm gonna be able to beat that

[mortal jetty]

Darius where dudu dps run?

[narrow cedar]

do you want a dudu dps run

[mortal jetty]

Yes

[narrow cedar]

it's a friday today i can make a video i think

[mortal jetty]

Go ahead

[narrow cedar]

what would the team be RS PAWS + ?

[crude cloak]

PS probably?

[mortal jetty]

Sus or badum

Vita if loa

[narrow cedar]

but my vita and sparkle have R3

[crude cloak]

Though your Vita is SSS+3

[mortal jetty]

Yeah probably RS vita helia

[narrow cedar]

ok ill see what i can do

can i use a different dudu

[crude cloak]

Would a different Dudu kill the boss tho

Oh, right, DA

That's why you're asking

Yeah, sure, go ham

[narrow cedar]

i bet i can kill the boss with any dudu except maybe VG

[mortal jetty]

We want small dudu supremacy

Small dudu goat

[narrow cedar]

lolicon detected

[mortal jetty]

No

Dudu waifu in every form

You dudu fan you should anderstand

[thick aspen]

nice save.. we'll be watching you closely

[mortal jetty]

Bruh you know i have the tag ~~ okacon tho~~

[thick aspen]

better not see any ranks on coralie..

[mortal jetty]

Coralie who?

[thick aspen]

BFDD!

[mortal jetty]

This name is trash imo

DC is much better DC=~~ dragon cora~~

[vernal terrace]

Not used much since only FDD is in the glossary

[mortal jetty]

Who even look at glossary

[vernal terrace]

[thick aspen]

im just gonna call her cora

other one is obsolete anyway

[mortal jetty]

Yeah

@full sky what was your team in RL?

For this weather

[full sky]

Helia Kiana Ely

[mortal jetty]

Okay

[mortal jetty]

which AOP?

[full sky]

I''m trying DS

DS SS

[digital sky]

RL

[open bone]

For FDD what’s her BiS team looking like? FDD Paws Vita?

[digital sky]

Ask cn gameplay
We dont even have her yet

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[open bone]

Ah ty

[stiff locust]

I’m fairly new to hi3 and Elysian realm- does anyone know why I do almost zero damage in deep sequence, but there are these pink shots coming from nowhere that beat the enemies for me??

The strange thing is that my planar armament usually does at least a thousand per hit in memorial arena and whatnot, but in ER deep sequence the damage is 50-80

[crude cloak]

Did you by any chance pick the Variable Arms buff before starting the run?

Variable Arms provides passive damage (it's a current weather effect)

[stiff locust]

Ahhh I see, yes I did

[crude cloak]

The Variable Arms buff significantly increases its damage, but makes you deal almost none

[stiff locust]

Thanks so much 😭 I was so lost

[crude cloak]

It's very nice if you wanna clear Deep Sequence with very old valks

[stiff locust]

I thought my build was just horrendous

[crude cloak]

It's pretty good on new valks as well

[rancid kraken]

Can anyone make me a team

[crude cloak]

!faq fhm

[stiff locust]

Hold on, it says that it’s a stage effect- is that something I chose, and is there a way to turn that off?

[night parcel]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[crude cloak]

Most of the stuff here is farmable/free

[crude cloak]

Variable Arms is always active, you can't turn it off completely
The buff you chose just makes it significantly stronger at the expense of your own damage

[stiff locust]

Ah, I see, thanks again

[lime grail]

what is the 2nd best team for this cycle

[open bone]

Well second best is going to be PAWS with slightly worse supports, right. I assume you instead mean second best dps? Or something else?

[lime grail]

yes second best dps

i got this with that

[open bone]

That’s gotta be about it. The next best other P2 with paralyze is Schicksal’s imperative iirc, and I would expect PS lead wins because she’s got type advantage and is way newer

There might be something you can do with giving one of the supports a cope para weapon but I would guess that’s a fair bit worse than their sig

[crude cloak]

I don't think any weap has even close to enough required Trauma

[fair lark]

I got 4/4 sparkle idk who to team her up with i dont have vita

[open bone]

Who do you have

[eager smelt]

ps dps isnt too far off
if bad supports its probably not helia 2nd best

[fair lark]

I forgot their names but the trio in P2

[eager smelt]

but thats ps with helia support

[fair lark]

I am trying to pull for vita in the mean time though

[open bone]

Yeah. I think even with no helia support PS + 2 LOA is probably better than Paws with bad supports but depends on how bad is bad

And in any case nobody would have both options to choose between without having something better than either

[fair lark]

Ts all i got..

[open bone]

Probably sparkle anchor Blastmetal but you should be prepared for mediocre results in high abyss regardless

Because sparkle is the most modern unit there and she’s already old + not optimal supports for her

[fair lark]

Oh okay aslong as it can kind of clear Abyss for the extra money for pulls

BTW i remember the pity stays right

Cause im saving up for the new elysia battlesuit after i get vita

I hope j do get vita

[open bone]

Yes, tho be warned that Vita is going to be worse at supporting 8.5 battlesuit than new coralie from 8.4 is

If you like vita as a character by all means

Go for it, just if you’re pulling for meta she isn’t anymore

I think you can probably retain a2 with your teams and might occasionally push a3, depends on how good you are at rots and bracket luck and such

[crude cloak]

Either Sparkle Sena Coralie or Sena Helia Sparkle depending on the situation

Assuming all of them are properly geared that is

[crude cloak]

Are you trying to get Vita for personal reasons or cuz you think it's a good investment?

Cuz if it's the latter, it's false

Ah, QTesseract alr mentioned the last part

Her not being meta is not really true though, it's just she's not as good of an investment compared to brand new stuff atp

[open bone]

Well she’s not really meta for them since they don’t have any LoA to support and don’t plan to pull 8.4 but yeah that was a bit strongly worded

And if they pull her she’s probably their best 8.5 support option

Just not worth pulling for just that unless you also like her character

[fair lark]

Vita os so pretty

Tbh im really bad at meta anyway and im just collecting all the girlies out there

What i really want is HOHE but sadly i had gone into an accident during the time hohe was free 😭😭✊✊

[open bone]

Alas. Well, the goods news is that just collecting all the characters is way cheaper than characters + weapons

So ideally you can get 8.5 and all her gear but even without that

You can definitely get her

[fair lark]

Will Hohe ever be free again and her new set reruns?

[open bone]

She’ll probably be affordable to you in reserve works eventually

From the coins

But other than that she’s not free and you’ll have to save

Her battlesuit is already in reserve works but it’s 24 krystallum which is 5 patches

[cunning gull]

she's in reserve shop (or level rush if you're a beginner) but for the former shell take long to get and for the latter you need to spend money
dkey can only get from rerun tho

[fair lark]

I mean hr like new weapon the one that has access to part 2 abbilities? I think its called

[open bone]

Yeah you’ll have to wait for a rerun

[cunning gull]

mhm

[fair lark]

I know hi3rd barely makes reruns for elysia unless free

[open bone]

Hofi is getting a rerun on her key next patch so it’s not hopeless that Elysia will get a key rerun

But it’ll be a bit.

[fair lark]

My only goal in hi3rd is the have all elysia battlesuits and 4/4 all of their stuff

[open bone]

Then the only advice is to keep playing and saving

[cunning gull]

your best bet is to wait when it comes to the dkey itself, u can check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion later to see if it will rerun next patch but ill assume probably not since there's alr a different dkey that will rerun but im not hoyo so

even if she's not in the next patch the weapon can be in the future patches

[fair lark]

Will there be a free S tier valk in the cn anniversary oh wait r we even included in that

[cunning gull]

normally there is in the anni spending event if you reach enough currency for it

[full trench]

||there's speculation that 8.5 will be an elysia battlesuit so watch out for news in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion before pulling 8.4|| as far as mpe she's in war treasury her stigs will be directly craftable next patch as opposed to having to craft g3>g4 this patch and her weapon is in exchange shop, hohe is in reserve shop as mentioned but also has stamps available in supply shop and pwo shop

hohes p1 gear is also in reserve shop but no reason to get it except collection

[fair lark]

Aw man 😞😞

Ts too difficult to save for three games since zzz has a elysia expy hsr released the model of cyrene now hi3rd has another elysia battlesuit..

[cunning gull]

at least for the last part there's no confirmation but you do wanna wait to see if it is true

honestly saving isn't bad in here bc of long patch

and assuming you still have content to finish

okay, also know that leaks aren't allowed, shouldn't need to remind you of that, confirmed cn info is allowed and can be found in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[fair lark]

Noted!

[cunning gull]

u can just look at pins in here if you don't wanna ask

[fair lark]

I hope seele part 2 is a playablr battlesuit soon

[obtuse lintel]

🥷

[pale musk]

For Nirv, what team do I use for abyss? Helia who is S2 as lead or Sushang (just S); supports are badum and Vita who are both S rank. I have S rank Teri but I also have Kian ELF (4 star)

[full trench]

awa said helia was better at s0 even with sss teri

[boreal eagle]

use helia

[rigid cedar]

Helia > PS especially when ranked

[boreal eagle]

well in truth if u have SS vita PS is f better average of +15pts

[round arch]

Depends on DMG, I can only do 784 since I dont have all the DKS so yeah I can say +5 points

+15 points is a bit too much

[boreal eagle]

oh it was for me but i guess ur right i have +3 on vita

[rancid kraken]

Why cant i convert any weapons?

[mortal jetty]

What weapon do you want to Convert

[dark phoenix]

check if they are equipped or locked

and not all wp can be converted

[mortal jetty]

@half hatch

You will need to slow down the run a bit because of para timing +helia WA in SO

I got same score with songque..same run

[half hatch]

Thx asalao

[mortal jetty]

[quaint tulip]

is level breakthrough worth it? or i should build my ele team first (i only have lightning and phys team set up)

[spiral raven]

is worth it, in terms of crystals if u can maintain a2 or a3, it effectively lets u break even with redlotus in qmanifold, and more afterwards

[half hatch]

also having 1 team for each elemant isnt really a necesarry goal but will rather come with time especially when p2 team building doesnt evolve around elements but rather ring types

and in RL or below you can bruteforce most content

[quaint tulip]

alr, i guess i'll do it then, thanks for info

[warm lantern]

is hephatus resistant to lightning? can I use LV for it

[spiral raven]

i dont rmb if he is resistant to it, but u sure can use lv

u owuld want kira to freeze tho

but no ely or what

[warm lantern]

my freeze is only HoR I believe

[spiral raven]

u should have kira and rc, hor cannot freeze

kira freeze awkward without sig

do u not even have a rank rc?

pardo felis

the cat girl

[warm lantern]

let's say my built teams are LV, LoA

[spiral raven]

run rc with lv

heph needs a freeze

or run rc with loa idk

[fierce crypt]

yes but u can use LV if u use kira/pardo to freeze

[fair bough]

Why do people whale for weapon synergies? Are they global passives or what cause it doesn't seem like that big of an upgrade

[formal wigeon]

Same reason people whale for ranks, after some point they give you more per amount spent than getting more ranks (generally after SS or SS1)

And nah they're not global passives, except for Stellar Keys that give an extra 5 global atk per synergy (and a base 10 for having them, so 20 total)

[fair bough]

Alright thanks👍

[digital sky]

I mean she does from her sig wep(s) and a very sad amount in her kit

[steady osprey]

synergy of divine keys give +5 passive atk each for a total of 20 at syn3

Thelema weapon synergy also g̶i̶v̶e̶ h̶e̶r̶ m̶o̶r̶e̶ i̶n̶i̶t̶i̶a̶l̶ S̶P̶ reduce her 1st ult cost (and yeah only matter in MA as Cay said)
otherwise 60 pulls for a +3%dmg buff is ridiculous imo

[mortal jetty]

@narrow cedar dudu run where?

[formal wigeon]

*first ult cost reduction

[dusty dagger]

MA passive!

[steady osprey]

would u cough up 60 pulls for that

[mortal jetty]

Someone who wants big score will go for it

[formal wigeon]

would you cough up 90 pulls for a rank up that gives less

[steady osprey]

no all my valks stay at s0

[formal wigeon]

yeah exactly the point isn't if you care about that

[mortal jetty]

I was underestimating the Power of the sync before but they are really op

Like s0+3 can sometime score like s2+1

[formal wigeon]

I already stated they are mostly only for people that already go for ranks

[mortal jetty]

Yeah

[steady osprey]

+3 is 120pull. s2 is...90?
still not familiar with those s and +

[fierce crypt]

[crude cloak]

S refers to the rank

• refers to weap synergies

S0+3 is 1 valk + 3 weaps, S2+1 is 2 valks + 1 weap

[steady osprey]

yeah that's what i guessed

[fierce crypt]

From SS onwards, rank isn't as worthwhile as synergy (applies to most P2 valks)

[fair bough]

Can we talk about cn server stuff here

[formal wigeon]

You can mention it in spoiler if it's related to some help question, otherwise you can go to #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[fair bough]

Alright thanks

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/jrYZ99XrLsc?si=TlF8b0x-dWq0biio https://youtu.be/dSuyn9wwYXI?si=i-csApkf4EPASRGu If Helia is the best dps to use this abyss, why are these scores so different? Is it just a rank thing?

[mortal jetty]

Bruh this is two different tier

Nirvana first video RL second video

[pale musk]

I just noticed, ty

[fair bough]

How to get SS dreamseeker I missed it

[round arch]

LMAO

[open bone]

Clear act 4 of part 2

Er, ch 4

[fair bough]

Is it still avaiable? Was it an event thing? Cause it says no avaiable sources for her rank up chip

[formal wigeon]

still available, just gotta do the story

[mint plover]

@mortal jetty @dusty dagger in regards of what we were talking before about ps being better than fws

i think its better that we discuss it between the three of us

not in separate chats

[fair bough]

Ok got that dreamseeker rank up chip
Yay
Ok so now who's better for Helia PAWS: SS Dreamseeker or 3☆ Kiana elf?

[mortal jetty]

SS Dreamseeker > kiana 3*

[mortal jetty]

Cay probably sleeping

[fair bough]

Crazy
Doesn't Kiana elf have much better buffs

[mortal jetty]

At 4*

Sss songque > 4* kiana> ss=S songque > SS Dreamseeker > 3* kiana

[fair bough]

Doesn't 4☆ only increase her own damage
And the buffs are already there at 3☆
Or is it her damage as important as buffs

[formal wigeon]

3* Kiana should have better dmg during SO but lower outside

[mortal jetty]

But sometime ss songque = 4* kiana

[formal wigeon]

She needs 4* to catch up on outside SO dmg

[fair bough]

Alright thanks

[formal wigeon]

4* has some buffs too

[mortal jetty]

Can also depend of your rotation... SS songque was way better than 4* kiana on HoC melee smh

From my experience *

[rigid cedar]

you get 8% unconditionial TDM from 4*

which makes Kiaelf better than DS inside and outside SO

without that, you only got boosted SO ratios to rely on evening out the non-SO deficit

[eager smelt]

disturbance too low for us we ringed too early

jp had enough time loss for kiana

[mortal jetty]

Yeah jp and KR players need two Ring because of higher D

I was talking from EU experience

Maybe 550D still need one Ring but 560D definitely need two

[lime grail]

what is na rl d

rn

[mortal jetty]

Smt around 505D I guess?

[thick aspen]

argument to be made for pulling weapon sync over any ranks.. well both helia and sushang had cracked s2 recently but yea

sure its probably slightly worse for that valks personal dps but it will be so much better for any team where that valk is supporting

[exotic scaffold]

why is coralie or vita not showing up in elysia realm?

[crude cloak]

I assume you alr own them
In that case, did you unlock them in the "Valkyrie Upgrades" menu?

You can only unlock 1 valk per week in ER

[exotic scaffold]

oh yeah.. im returnee i forgot all of these things tysm

[drowsy sandal]

what affixes should i be looking for on vitas stigmatas?

[steady osprey]

just atk

[drowsy sandal]

okay ty

[steady osprey]

its almost the same for every part 2 valks. crit dmg has some value for crit physical. but generally just atk

for vita u have MECH ATK and Drive Core ATK (max 23), and i will settle with ATK (max 19)

[mortal jetty]

@storm ocean

If you manage good paralyze you can probably 770+ since you are SS helia

[storm ocean]

My savaior

[mortal jetty]

[mortal jetty]

You can try to skip all the basic i did and replace then with weapon activ since you have 2 available

[storm ocean]

Also I have the scam SS passive

Gives free ult when ari is full but not activated

Think I could utilise it or just jump to do stellar outburst like you?

[mortal jetty]

You can but you need to time paralyze

[storm ocean]

Time to lose hair strands

Thanks asaphie

[mortal jetty]

U r welcome lily

[round arch]

its hard to know how much HOFi wep bottlenecking helia, otherwise everything should be ok

[storm ocean]

Also sorry might sound dumb but how do u cast sushi's ult without wa?

My sushi takes two seconds to cast ult instead of being in air and doing it

[eager smelt]

press wa and ult

u can ult before the wa fires

[storm ocean]

OhHhhh

Thanks awa

[mortal jetty]

Lets see what lilylao will cook

[eager smelt]

my helibad doing 0 dmg

[mortal jetty]

How much in NA?

[vernal terrace]

Me who accidentally does this in SO

[eager smelt]

772

[mortal jetty]

Kiana or songque?

[eager smelt]

i would 778 with +10 atk
kiana

[round arch]

last helibad weather

[eager smelt]

with good op comes heligood

[round arch]

next will be heliavg

if SSS chenxue then heligood

[mortal jetty]

Chenchen + cora make helia playable

820+ shampoo at 540D

[vernal terrace]

Dark Lord will buff PAWS

[round arch]

this abis depends a lot on atk

[mortal jetty]

Always has been

[round arch]

https://tenor.com/view/damage-thats-a-lot-of-damage-jon-tron-gif-13054497

[mortal jetty]

Yeah is it...shampoo became paper

946 p1 you can almost one shot him in p2

SO around 920

[primal trail]

does vita s2 make too much of a difference?

[eager smelt]

no

[round arch]

I heard bro got downgraded to SS in MA

[mortal jetty]

Yeah but it should not be a matter i guess

Hoo can one shot him from what i hearded

Good that you mentioned it i can try it in beta

Brb

[round arch]

keep me updated birdie kun

[mortal jetty]

Peace of cake

Full handel on hoo

[round arch]

wut the

bro a leaf or paper now

[mortal jetty]

[storm ocean]

I'm burning got 762

[mortal jetty]

Oh congratulations...

Keep malding you can definitely 775+ then

[storm ocean]

I'll try!

I have a bit of problems landing my sushi wa in opener

I either miss it or I'm too late

[crude cloak]

Just start doing the first WA right before the siren

[storm ocean]

I do that

Second wa puzzles me

[crude cloak]

Just spam it

If you do it correctly the damage number appears during the ult ani

[storm ocean]

[mortal jetty]

You can also do weapon activ one second after you see final stage on the screen

[eager smelt]

just do the first wa whenever then do the 2nd one at 996

[crude cloak]

That works too

[spiral raven]

im referring to the boss, hor simply does not have enough to freeze the guy in a reasonable amount of time

[digital sky]

Selune

[spiral raven]

ofc i know she can apply some freeze trauma

[spiral raven]

not even close lel

[dusty dagger]

[pale musk]

what's the highest score I can get with this? Helia atk is 1497 if that helps

[elfin parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vii786ymo1E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrYZ99XrLsc
possibly something in between these two

be mindful of the distrubance difference from us and SEA

[pale musk]

ty, rn I'm around 770. Later today I could post a ref.

[digital sky]

10 (WA) + 18 (Selune) + 5

Oh yucky its 10 from WA

Not 18

[spiral raven]

u need 42

[digital sky]

inflict analyze debuff 3 times

[narrow cedar]

maybe tomorrow? or maybe i sleep 😴

[craggy ivy]

How much of a gap does SSS hhe do for the run, I'm missing 1 entire bar even though para timing seems identical to hieu le's

[kindred dawn]

Anyone knows where to find the two missing books? NVM found them.

[craggy ivy]

https://youtu.be/aQ7SPIchRQI

[mortal jetty]

Is it then same D?

[patent quest]

idk if i ask here or in beginner, but how do i become a valk in the life sim event

nvm i did it!!!!

[untold scarab]

Meta characters are good where and what is considered Endgame

[half hatch]

if a character is good depends on the boss but when we're referring to meta we're mostly referring to characters still relevant in lvl 81+ abyss

there's also MA but that is rather a personal goal since the requirements for the 40 weekly crystals are very low and performing better than that doesnt give you crystals

[untold scarab]

Okay thank you

[craggy ivy]

Yeah current sea

[half hatch]

though be aware just because something is currently meta doesnt mean you should pull them since you mostly want to invest in the future meta

[craggy ivy]

Does anyone have doom ref without mps, vq, pe, sss sns or mkp, nor any p2 valks

Have 840 ref rn but need to buy sasc T, curious if there's alternative options where I don't have to buy sasc T

Actually can vq but no weap

[finite barn]

There's a really old elemental doom clear but idk if it's better than 840

Hmm I can't find it specifically but it's probably not better looking at the scores for other janky comps

[craggy ivy]

Welp -6000 reso

[spiral raven]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV19A4m1374i/

though if u are fine wiht using vq then she is fine

u dont need weap on vq

[craggy ivy]

Vro

[primal trellis]

so what's the next best team for this abyss besides helia

[vernal terrace]

Vita
Lamp
Badum

[primal trellis]

why vita, she's being type countered and has no paralyze

[vernal terrace]

Andrius

Oh wait

[primal trellis]

wrong abyss

[vernal terrace]

PS, Vita, PWS

Xhxufh

PAWS*

I'm not paying attention lol

[primal trellis]

apparently not because i was asking for teams that didn't involve helia

[vernal terrace]

Well
PS, Vita, and Badum I guess

Idk who for a third if no PAWS

[primal trellis]

good thing i have no PS either

[vernal terrace]

God damn it bacon

[mortal jetty]

Badum vita sparkle then

[primal trellis]

what sparkle

[mortal jetty]

Or maybe p1 team

[vernal terrace]

JDS?

[primal trellis]

yep

[primal trellis]

what p1 team

[vernal terrace]

Luna, Aponia, Sleepy Teri

[mortal jetty]

LV eden hotr or aponia lv eden

[primal trellis]

wow i have literally none of those

[mortal jetty]

Just sleep then

[vernal terrace]

Yeah-

[mortal jetty]

Sleeping is also a good option

[primal trellis]

you said FWS was an option so i guess i'll try that

[vernal terrace]

FWS, Bita, Sonkek

[mortal jetty]

Try what you have

[primal trellis]

ok

677 with

oh that's 9th place with over a 100 score difference because i'm in one of those cool brackets where literally everyone has helia but me

very cool

[mortal jetty]

Do you have teri aop?

[primal trellis]

[craggy ivy]

Could be worse, could be my brack

774 t10

2 more people still sniping and they have paw ps fws so it's likely going to be higher than 774 by the time abyss is done

I need to find a way to get hieu le score but I'm getting giga damage gapped somehow

[primal trellis]

do you have at least have helia

[craggy ivy]

Yeah

[eager smelt]

give sena a try

[primal trellis]

yeah tried that, did worse than FWS

[steady osprey]

paralyze weather so i assume teri would work?
simp doesn't have type advantage though.
i saw vids using sushang too

[craggy ivy]

Awa help, how get more demej

[eager smelt]

hohe finisher doesnt apply paralyze?

[craggy ivy]

Idk it weirdge

[eager smelt]

the simple answer is to just not use ds

hows that kiana

[craggy ivy]

Kia4 better?

[primal trellis]

didn't fall for teribait

[eager smelt]

yes obviously

kiana is only worse than sss songque

[craggy ivy]

I got lied to

[eager smelt]

crazy

[craggy ivy]

Ok I should have chance for promo now

[craggy ivy]

Oghei got beter score, thx awawahonkai

[steady osprey]

do u have a sister uwuwu

[mortal jetty]

@half hatch

[edgy hamlet]

can i survive with this score for 14 more hours?

[dark phoenix]

[craggy ivy]

Why js there only 9 people and why is it so tall

[thick aspen]

tall because weird tablet reso or smth

[full trench]

yeah its rl

[thick aspen]

9 ppl idk

[full trench]

i assume there are more people it just didnt show for whatever reason

[boreal eagle]

it can happen sometimes i got a bracket in sinful where i was the only one

[craggy ivy]

1 pt promo is wild

[edgy hamlet]

wait why is that screenshot so weird

[mortal jetty]

Did you demote to agoknee 4?

[edgy hamlet]

no why lol

oh wait i just got it

yes

I forgot to do my side stages and demoted so now I have to be careful to not promote on tank boss

[mortal jetty]

[upper wharf]

finally maxed out

[dusky mantle]

Var arms

Aboose

[spiral raven]

9 ppl lobby

[thick aspen]

all of NA redlotus in one lobby

[fair lark]

Is it possible to get 24 of these in a single patch

[thick aspen]

yes

buy paladin

[formal wigeon]

Did they increase the amount you get now ?

Pala was 16

[spiral raven]

they did, but forgot how much exactly

[crude cloak]

5 Vanguard (unchanged), 18 Knight and 24 Pala

This includes the Dorm balls

[crude cloak]

@formal wigeon

[formal wigeon]

Poor f2p

They could have made it 6

[dusky mantle]

Slightly annoyed

That its 5 instead of 6

Not in multiples of 6

[digital sky]

Then it would of been 4 patches. Thats too f2p
6 patches is much better

[dusky mantle]

Hmmm get schro T?

Idk

[thick aspen]

maffs

[dusky mantle]

Quick maff

[keen atlas]

Is it possible to get 835 score without astral op Theresa this abyss?

[formal wigeon]

in RL I assume ?

ye, you shouldn't even want Theresa for PAWS dps

[keen atlas]

YEAHH I want top 3 so i can get to nirvana

[formal wigeon]

Here's something you can use maybe
https://youtu.be/OSPtgBz8WbY

SEA RL is a lot higher D so your scores should be higher

[keen atlas]

Tysm!

I will actually need atleast 838 💔💔 without strong dorm buffs

[lament prairie]

ref pls

abyss

nirv

no fws

can't find shit per usual

[mortal jetty]

How much did you get so far?

[lament prairie]

755 which is dogshit

lole

I haven't had time to mald much gonna try a bit now but got hardly any ideas sinec its just dmg check

[last rapids]

i tried hh and got 775 iirc

so aim around there

its not much difference this cycle actually lol, fws capped at 786 for me

[lament prairie]

[last rapids]

cycle is pretty diverse, even RS got me 761

anything works as long as you paralyze

[ivory flicker]

Question to Mobius connoisseurs:
Is Linnaeus still her BiS or has it swapped out for something else? Handel?

[crude cloak]

Still Linnaeus

[normal cloak]

Exalted MA Refs for 08/12/2025 - 08/17/2025 [Invite Link Here](#💁gameplay-help message)
Masked Fool: Sampo [SSS]: https://discord.com/channels/1353576258038005760/1388890654037377147
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[open bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyF_x6t8Jpk
Is there a way I can get another 20 points on this cycle to maintain

[feral fjord]

i just got here since i heard there would be new pink girl battlesuit.... how long would it take if i started from 0 crystals, 0 pity, just to get her suit alone?

[open bone]

If you’re talking about the unconfirmed 8.5 valk, it would take like 3 months because her banner won’t exist for a while. The crystals you would get way faster than that

It’s 90 rolls to guarentee a battle suit, one of them is half price, starter accounts get tons of free crystals

[crude cloak]

To save up enough crystals 1 patch is enough

Assuming you aren't new that is

If you are, it's a lot faster

[open bone]

You could have the crystals inside a few weeks and then you’d be waiting

If you’re new. Possibly even your first week if you focus

[feral fjord]

i patch = 1,5 month.... enough time i guess

[open bone]

But there’s zero rush from your perspective

[open bone]

More like a bit over 2

[crude cloak]

Nope, it's 2+ months now

[feral fjord]

dayum

[crude cloak]

Patches are 9±1 weeks long

[feral fjord]

i have to graduate from college around this August, then i would be busy finding a J-Word....

enough time

[crude cloak]

You should start doing Helia's basics ani cancel:
https://youtu.be/SziORGe9vJQ?si=aH_-SBlkH_rDtXQK

Other than that I'd probably try staying in SO for longer

[mortal jetty]

Your paralyze timing is a bit bad tho and you are doing some useless dodge... try aa dodge a for helia sequence

Like you are doing the big punch with no weather buff...this is a big damage loss

[open bone]

I find I never get up to a full 6 ults when I do it but maybe I just need to bald it

[crude cloak]

Eh, maybe not, hard to tell without testing it (Abyss is closed for me alr unfortunately )

[eager smelt]

hit coralies ult

[lime grail]

is there any build on er that makes variable arms do more dmg (outside of load buff) so I can do finality with hot steamy dog water valks such as kallen

[formal wigeon]

from what I saw that should be enough

[open bone]

Pretty much anyone can use VA

if you really want to get more performance out of it you can focus on damage taken buffs tho

[lime grail]

There's valks who can't use variable arms?

[quasi pier]

no, variable arms is made to carry people even if they're using old valks like kallen

[open bone]

Not as far as I'm aware

[lime grail]

Oh ok good

[open bone]

https://youtu.be/72g7fusjzNQ so this is what it looks like when I try a longer SO run; I can almost manage 5, though I haven't actually pulled it off and finisher, but 6 is hopeless

[crude cloak]

You're doing too many evasions
But ye, it looks like longer SO is not the play then

[mortal jetty]

@narrow cedar thx for the dudu run... it was goat

[fair lark]

How do u get 24 of these

[narrow cedar]

paladin bp for one patch

[quasi pier]

you either save for 5 patches as an f2p or you buy bp

[fair lark]

If i buy paladin bp i can get 24 of those

They dont expire right

[vernal terrace]

Pink ones don't expire

[fair lark]

Oke ill buy paladin

[eager smelt]

@open bone how are ur stats ill go give it a try

[eager smelt]

i can do 790

[open bone]

Dorm level 26, PS and Helia maxed with 1272 and 1324 atk, Coralie SSS with synergy 0 level 50 weapon, full signature stigmatas but level 35/45/35 (1059 atk)

Gene limits are 6% phys 4% fire 1.2 sp 6% lightning

[eager smelt]

1272 atk

[open bone]

That’s PS

Helia is 1324

[eager smelt]

no prisms?

did u affix them

[open bone]

Helia’s stigmas are +34.4, 40.6, 34.5

PS only 24.9, 17.9, 25.2

[open bone]

Wasn’t sure it was worth levelling coralie’s stigmas more, prisms are hard to get

Helia and PS stigmas are all 50/50/50

Might be worth increasing stigma 2 tho since it looks like I’m stuck using coralie next patch too

[eager smelt]

take the m stig to 1/50

[open bone]

Alr did

[eager smelt]

@open bone

ill go record

i tried to make it as easy as possible

[open bone]

Ty

Appreciate it, 763 won’t maintain but I like getting better at it

[pale musk]

https://youtu.be/7uw-aEh_MQg?si=P7h70p4nQYQcI2oQ could I get at least 21772 with this?

[eager smelt]

@open bone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R67NB5BgE9c

[eager smelt]

yes

u outdmg me hard

[pale musk]

oh, well I'm not exactly sure what to do to go faster. Should I start with Kiana ult instead of Sushang?

[eager smelt]

do ur helia cancels properly and make use of weather bonus

[pale musk]

still 770

https://youtu.be/jrYZ99XrLsc?si=0R78oXn0RR52_0nv I was following this run but using Kiana before Sushang during SO, should I do that for every rotation except the first one?

[pale musk]

How are these cancels?

[eager smelt]

both are bad

u need to hit the floor or ur dmg falls off

[pale musk]

how's this?

[eager smelt]

1st is good but slow
2nd is bad
2nd is bad

[open bone]

Definitely an improvement, took me two tries to stop bricking it but then once I did I got another 10 points easy

I’m not sure I can get the full 61 but I bet I can get 750 or so like this

Tysm

[eager smelt]

get on that dorm grind

ur missing so much atk

[open bone]

all I do with my stamina is dailies open world and frag missions but it’s so slow

Maybe I should skip the equip xp dailies I have so many of those

[pale musk]

how's this with the cancels?

[mortal jetty]

Better

[eager smelt]

last one is bad

[pale musk]

what's wrong with the last one? I think I used some of the start of basic 2?

[eager smelt]

ur ulting before it lands

[pale musk]

How's this rotation?

[full trench]

for sushang spam weapon when ur trying to ult it happens faster

also u are still cancelling ba3 with ult

[pale musk]

what part of the animation/ba3 should i use as an indicator? It's kinda hard to tell with all the numbers

[eager smelt]

look at ur dmg

[eager smelt]

[pale musk]

which second was that taken from? 0:21 or the first second?

[eager smelt]

0:21

go ps first

[pale musk]

at least I retained, ty.
I know going Kiana before PS is a damage boost if I'm using Kiana ELF. Does that count for just SO or all rotations?

[eager smelt]

no its because ur mistiming the paralyze

[pale musk]

I just meant in general. Maybe it was a Sampo ref, a comment on this channel or something but it was mentioned that for some reason using badum before PS boosted the damage and it had something to do with Kiana ELF.

[fathom bluff]

(New player) i was doing the story, I can't talk to the person I need to to progress the test

Help please-

[eager smelt]

did u press k

[fathom bluff]

I'm not on pc

[eager smelt]

its the dodge button
early chapters dont have their own interact button

[fathom bluff]

Oh

Tyyy

[narrow cedar]

good job baron you beat awawa

[eager smelt]

i had no motivation

i spent more effort in that rl ref than my own run

[full trench]

i had motivation but it was gone when i saw my damage

[spiral raven]

i dont even have ps

[formal wigeon]

They have one up to 7 because they remade those. This is the first one that goes back to the old dodge to interact except they cut out the early stage that told you you needed to do that

[stiff wraith]

1. should I breakthrough with my characters? (vita is 4/4, horb 4/4 and hos peri TM + brick, hotr is 0/4 sorry)
2. is it okay to buy hohe card from reserve works or is it highly possible she will be in a box of sort sooner than later? I have her old 4/4 gear even if its useless anymore. or is it better to save and get someone else from p2 later on from bp works? but next one is ||FoV||?

[spiral raven]

game has moved on quite far from a meta perspective, u can still breakthrough, idk how u will fare, but if u manage to retain ag2 then u can maintain same amount of xtals income as if rl in qmanifold

stuff in reserve works r generally quite old, hohe seen in another light but that's cuz of p2 gear yes fov coming, but that doesn't mean you should go for her

[half hatch]

generally we recommend to buy divine keys from reserve work, additionally what's you current crystal count because if you pull the next valk you should have 2 rather functional teams which will improve your performance by a lot

[stiff wraith]

I only have 5k atm, not too sure yet how much I can save before 8.4 valk's banner ends. low key returned to the game for potential 8.5 valk (seems common), so that hinders a bit attempt to pull for FDD too. I also do seem to miss quite a few of dk (if I remembered where to look it up correctly..)

[stiff wraith]

I understand that it would be FDD + coralie + vita, but what would be the second team?

[half hatch]

vita + coralie + FDD

the leader is the dps

[half hatch]

yeah there are def a few dkeys in reserve work which you don't have

check out the list at the bottom for all the dkeys