Dual Blade

[runic egret]

Cus now I’ve max all 3 phantom blows, left 2 points for hyper stats, wondering which final cut to add 😂

[misty totem]

Cooldown Reductions and Increase Buff Durations

[runic egret]

Ah! Perfect! Thanks a lot mate! 🙏🏼

[cunning aurora]

Yeah the 5% isn't much, you could swap out 1 pb for this hyper passive but I would only recommend this if you cap

[runic egret]

Will be keeping to the duration increase and decrease of cooldown, thanks for advice man!

[cunning aurora]

You're welcome 🙏

[misty totem]

It’s super easy to cap with Necro 40 dagger till you surpass 60M ~ 70M MDC.

Just focus on building up your MDC

[jolly valve]

Strongest thief class

[misty totem]

Does any high lv DB went to max decent skills in matrix?

Or just maxed tri nodes, V skills and will skill will be good enough?

[true quiver]

Guys quick Question, My mythic Wep is like 36 Level and Need two more exalt pass to make it 40.

But it will take me hella lods of time to get Necro since I gota work on my Sf so I can grind those stones. So is it worth exalting my wep for now?

[trail garnet]

If you're an ultra whale and want to burn some nodes, then go for it. In most cases, no. You'll most likely cap without and other stats have priority over phy atk %.

[true quiver]

What about this @trail garnet ?

[trail garnet]

Time depends on your luck, it's a bit easier than before or you can brute force it with the choice pack. Exalt to 40 first

[true quiver]

Wait So I Exalt my Mythic ?

I thought u said it's no point?

[trail garnet]

I read that wrong

Yeah exalt

I saw refine for some reason

[true quiver]

But it will give less stats yeah?

I mean ai can buy 5 Exalt Stones worth 50%

And then I can try my luck

[trail garnet]

I'd just buy the mythic weapon from TS if it's cheaper

[true quiver]

And what's Brute force Choice pack?

[trail garnet]

The ancient mastercraft pack. Unlimited necro attempts.

You would need mesos for mastercraft reduction and attempts tho

[true quiver]

Oh okay

So it's worth exalting right now yeah?

[trail garnet]

Yes

Is it emblem?

[true quiver]

Yeah acD emblem

CD

[trail garnet]

Ok yeah then you're good

[true quiver]

Awesome

[ripe ibex]

Whats the advantage of exalting to 40 then necro rather than necro at 30 mythic?

[trail garnet]

It's going to be way more expensive to exalt lol

[ripe ibex]

Ohh ok ok

[true quiver]

Wooo okays lol

[misty totem]

I see, nowadays we get lots of free exp node stones. Just wondering do we use it on main to max decent skills node or use it on alt

[nimble sinew]

I started using on alt

It probably only matters after 100m mdc?

Knew I won’t build mdc that fast but could use that gain on alt to burst through daily boss faster

[misty totem]

I do spend crystals only on character slots.

Seems like ain’t easy to get all alt to lv200 even tho the exp required had been reduced

[vocal bronze]

It feels so fast till 185, then it just slows to a crawl for me.

[misty totem]

Yea, I intend to make all lv200 one by one (utilise free pets) and also with limited character slot to placed in legion blocks, lv200 Rank SS provides more than Rank S lv 150-199z

[nimble sinew]

I’m sweeping all to 190 and commit eos to 200

Sweeping after 190 is kinda slow for the cost

[misty totem]

May you explain further what do you mean by sweeping?

[nimble sinew]

The daily 1.5m quest

[misty totem]

I thought sweeping only available for arcane symbol quest?

May you show me where can I find it for alt below lv 200?

[misty totem]

May I know why I couldn’t sweep?

[nimble sinew]

You gotta complete this once every 10 level to unlock the daily sweep

[misty totem]

Is the exp worth the 1.5m mesos?

[misty totem]

Do I need to complete the quest every 10 level on 1 char and it will applied to the rest?

[nimble sinew]

Definitely, it only really slows down closer to 190

[nimble sinew]

Yes so you get to double dip the day you level to the 10th

[misty totem]

Not sure how but I'm definitely going to try it, thanks a lot

[royal pilot]

How much fame do I need to have to unlock all the funds?

[frail vector]

Sweeping daily quests is available once a character reaches lvl 140

[zealous basin]

Wich si the best tríos to max?

[cunning aurora]

It's in the pinned messages

[frank tinsel]

Is this worth buying? A2S

[nimble sinew]

imo the best way to start getting serious is buying a necro fodder weapon and build around it

[nimble cedar]

hiiii

[indigo karma]

Does it matter where u summon mirror target? Or anywhere is fine

[frail vector]

Anywhere is fine. Basically, its just a buff

[mental cave]

Did anyone translated the patch notes from Korean version, for the DB part?

[trail garnet]

You can kinda guess what everything is by the pictures and numbers, but here you go.

[nimble sinew]

Shad getting almost double the lines while we get +2 lines

[rich terrace]

According to everyone, will dual blade be buffed in this update?

[trail garnet]

Slight buff to vskills. Big nerf to iframes

[runic egret]

Is Blade Ascension really useful when comes to auto battle?

[small pebble]

Hello my fellow dbs

@cunning aurora lots of lines

[cunning aurora]

Yeah especially for tornado and blade of destiny which are 12 sec cd skills

We'll see how much it impacts our dps

Still gotta do one test before rebalance

[small pebble]

cant wait to get outdpsed by a db thats 50m below

[cunning aurora]

My db has trash gear but our burst is so strong that I outdps people who are way stronger then me for like 5 seconds then get obliterated again

[nimble sinew]

Fake news

#buffdb

[jovial pawn]

Is DB so much weaker than NL?
35M MDC NL: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_wQOfovu8ag&t=1s&pp=ygUSbWFwbGVzdG9yeSBtIGdsb29t
About 50M MDC DB: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqhwRbivca4

With such a big difference in MDC, how come NL can down Gloom at almost the same rate as the DB?

[small pebble]

DB is way stronger than NL, but imo NL usually outperforms their MDC in bosses like lotus and gloom, due to skill rotation and burst windows

[trail garnet]

#buffdb db weak as hell

[small pebble]

and then do nothing in yhe next 2mins HAHA

[nimble sinew]

fake news 💯

[jovial pawn]

I see. I thought we also had good burst with v1 and asura when the eye opens.

[rich terrace]

how are you guys

[nimble sinew]

Same nerf, less lines

[pine meteor]

Atleast more hit counts we have now on BoD

skill delay is also good, specially asura. Sometimes it feels so slow

[jovial pawn]

The v1 and asura is quite a big buff?

[pine meteor]

Tornado and BoD will be the biggest buff

[nimble sinew]

Whole damn v4 is missing

[jovial pawn]

What does the skill delay during repeated use is decreased? Does this mean each of the proc ?

[pine meteor]

Was also wondering about that indeed.. v4 should have had also some dmg + line count increase

[trail garnet]

Yes

[jovial pawn]

Okay that's quite a huge buff then

[trail garnet]

Honestly. I'm satisfied with the changes. Only thing that could've been OP is if they added more lines to asura and reduced the cd on v4 to 1.5 or 2 seconds

[trail garnet]

Yeah same dmg but in shorter amount of time

[pine meteor]

Was indeed also fine with that a small reduction on v4 for each cast..

[jovial pawn]

Shouldn't the damage be more if it can proc faster for the hits?

Like 0.15s vs 0.21s means it will proc 28% faster?

[nimble sinew]

And Nexon emphasize on buffing v skill lol

[trail garnet]

True. But the overall dmg for that one skill use still stays the same. It'll help during burst, you can now fit both v1 and hyper into ds4 window. Before it was one full attack and like half of the other during ds4

[jovial pawn]

Ah okay I get what you mean

[indigo karma]

They increased a hit count on v1, a bit more damage now

[trail garnet]

Yeah, 2 lines extra per rep + 2. I was just explaining why faster skill proc doesn't necessarily equal more damage. More dps, but not more actual damage

[indigo karma]

Yea I get what ur saying , same damage with less time

[trail garnet]

It'd be a different story if they increased the max repeat count but it's unchanged at 30 max for both asura and v1.

[jolly valve]

Shorter time to do all your lines between two channeling skills is amazing

Just hope vhilla don’t teleport 🥹

[rich terrace]

feel no outstanding difference

[trail garnet]

Yeah it's not that noticeable. Gotta re-adjust to make sure I'm not just standing there after the skill ends 😂

[jovial pawn]

Barely much difference compared to other jobs

[pulsar gull]

Ur burst won’t feel that different

Coz thr burst is mostly identical in term of damage

But over 1-2 min fight, we are doing a decent amount more damage

[nimble sinew]

does the cd start after the skill ends for 170/v1?

definitely could squeeze v1-4+170 into ds4 now

[trail garnet]

@nimble sinew

[small pebble]

op

[nimble sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/ainsley-harriot-hey-boy-chef-happy-gif-16421592

[true quiver]

Guys

I need help in resting my Hyper Passive Skills

I Wana go Hybrid, boss and Farm Mesos at higher level

I have Given to Phant Blows and Blade for 5% FD and CD Cutter

Does that sounds good?

[cunning aurora]

Why hybrid though? Just go boss, one hitting mobs in af maps not too hard tbh

The extra damage, line, etc for blade fury are useless if you one hit them anyways

[true quiver]

Oh okay then

But can you guide

Shall I got Cool down Cutter

Or Increase duration for Final Cut

[cunning aurora]

You want both imo, but if you pick one then cooldown cutter since final cut is a iframe

[true quiver]

Well I have no other options but to pick one

@cunning aurora can you share your strategy

[cunning aurora]

Just go 3x PB and both of these final cuts for best bossing potential, I wouldn't put anything into blade fury personally

If it's just a meso farmer then yeah pick whatever you want, but if you also do bosses this route will be best

[true quiver]

@cunning aurora my char is purely for Future Bossing lol

Thanks for your advise bro

[cunning aurora]

No probss

[pulsar gull]

I’m looking for 2 min line count along with battle analysis results. Please let me know your best number!

[sacred mortar]

Does 2x phantom blow and x3 final cut for passive hyper work? Or should i reset and make x3 phantom x2 final cut instead?

[frail vector]

3x Phantom Blow. You won't need to put the extra point into Final Cut since that skill won't be used for DPS purposes anyway. And the damage from it is very minimal, almost negligible. More beneficial allocating points into Phantom Blow since its one of your main damaging skills

[true quiver]

Guys

Phy Dmg or phy Attk %?

[cunning aurora]

Phy dmg is way better then % atk

[true quiver]

Thanks for the info buddy

[hot patio]

Hows dual blade? Theres cadena and ho young but db is underrated so i like to know mobbing ability and funding needed for sf158

[small pebble]

db isn't too great at mobbing a faik

[lament perch]

I will go for 3 FC because u enjoy the second buff for Final dmg and for PB crit dmg u will have it enuf eventually when progressing

[acoustic matrix]

can anyone show thier v skills since they gave us more free slots to use

[sacred mortar]

That was what i was thinking 5% is overall maybe even 6th job skills... 20% crit dmg isolated for phantom filler skills kinda meh on the bigger picture. Thoughts anyone else?

[charred canopy]

What hyper skills have people got now I was thinking all the phantom blows and then cool down reduce on FC and not sure what else

[misty totem]

3 SP on Phantom, 2 SP on FC for buff duration and cooldown reduction.

When it comes to mid-game, I usually prioritise using FC for its iframe (invisibility) during boss fights at critical moments to avoid death.

You can easily cap with your burst skill using a Lv40 Necro Weapon if you don’t have 60–70M MDC+, which the majority of DBs don’t.

• Not to mention, they just nerfed Chain of Hell from a 60s cooldown to 120s, which makes FC more valuable in critical moments since it has the lowest cooldown, especially if you use Sudden Raid after FC.

[sacred mortar]

Yea thats why if u hit cap kinda pointless for 20% crit dmg phantom blow instead 5% on final dmg for fc will add extra for capping on shadow lines

[sacred mortar]

What level is ur dmg and ur crit dmg % now?

[misty totem]

It’s easy to cap clone damage though, since it’s capped at 70% of the main damage.

Seems like you already have your own answer, so go for it.

I personally prefer 20% Crit Damage over 5% Final Damage.

Just wondering, what stage are you at in boss content right now? And what’s your MDC?

[mental cave]

Just to enter the discusion 😄 235lvl, MDC 24,5m. Boss can solo Lotus, NArchon, Damien.!

Will share my nodes a bit latter

[sacred mortar]

Duolis what is ur hyper passive?
3 PB 2FC?

[mental cave]

Yes, 3PB and As for FC (Cooldown cutter and Persist)

[lament perch]

Around 600 unbuffed

[mighty wing]

Does anyone have a skill setup and v matrix guide to share?

[cosmic sonnet]

Need this too, any pro ?

[fair spoke]

Any ab suggestion on ab wheel.

[nimble sinew]

all in pin

[fair spoke]

I looked at pins before I posted lol. There’s nothing.

[nimble sinew]

#1059991969805385729 message

if anyone could pin this

blade fury//v4 is the main mobbing, v2/3 mini burst

optional : sudden raid, will skill, Erda shower

[fair spoke]

Yah I didn’t know if anyone was running likes 3rd job skills to help get through the map faster. But I guess that makes sense

[rich terrace]

Is this matrix ok? Do you need anything else?

[rich terrace]

Please give me reference picture

what if i just care boss

i still use it to buff

Can you give me your V matrix reference?

💯

Is this skill really necessary?

so was i wrong before :((

I always thought it was the main skill. :((

Yes

why didn't i hear this before :((

I don't know yet so I need help

please give me prset :(( tks

[trail garnet]

Final cut in trios is trash. It buffs the final damage for 16 lines, not for the duration of the buff

[trail garnet]

Not to mention, you only use it when you need to iframe. Not as soon as it's off cd. Very little lines even in a long fight.

[nimble sinew]

you'll need this trio for 6th job mastery in future

[rich terrace]

Blade fury you'll need this trio for 6th job mastery in future ? tks you

[rich terrace]

I am meeting many people giving their opinions. I am looking for more information to synthesize and select to absorb.

If you don't understand what I mean, you can stop commenting. Anyway, thank you for your previous comment.

[rich terrace]

I ask to confirm from many sources of information, not to reject them, because I asked before and was wrong, so now I have to rebuild.

If you find it too difficult, you can stop answering my story.

[misty totem]

@rich terrace

Here’s my personal setup for Perfect Nodes:

Bossing:

Phantom Blow – Asura – Blade Clone (x2 for Lv. 60)

Mobbing:

Blade Fury – Sudden Raid – Blade Mastery (x2 for Lv. 60)

---

*I personally prefer using Phantom Blow for mobbing (since I can one-hit easily) also it has a faster cast animation compared to Blade Fury, which often feels delayed, gets stuck, and doesn’t prioritise other skills during AB.

Also, at higher-level AF maps (700+), the maps are huge and mobs are spaced quite far apart.

Blade Fury hits 7 mobs, but there usually aren’t 7 mobs stacked close together in large AF maps — plus, its cast speed is delayed. Having a 1-shot Phantom Blow, even if it only hits 3 mobs, is way better in my opinion.

Your V2 (Blade of Destiny), V3 (Blade Tornado), Sudden Raid, Venom Burst, and Will Skill will help you clear AOE mobs much faster.

Still, I suggest keeping Blade Fury as your perfect trio node as mentioned.

[rich terrace]

very good i still think so when i tried the skills when fighting the boss

[misty totem]

It’s not wrong to max other trio nodes such as Final Cut, since we have many more V Matrix slots available now. I have also seen some players max all trio nodes on DB for higher CP value.

Personally, I prioritise my resources on things that are useful and progressive.

What I feel DB needs to have on trio nodes are the six mentioned earlier — the rest you can DIY.

Feel free to test how many mobs you can kill using Phantom Blow and Blade Fury to see which works better for you. A quick 10-minute solo test should give you the most accurate data.

[rich terrace]

Thanks for your comment, I tried it and found it better as you said.

[misty totem]

Happy Mapling ~ #buffDB

[rich terrace]

Waiting for the day dual blade gets buffed :((

[oak ivy]

They buff db 2 times in a row already

Next is 6th job so its gonna be another “buff”

[rich terrace]

Even though it has been buffed twice in a row, it still doesn't seem very strong compared to other professions.

[oak ivy]

Its the 2nd best non support thief in the game

[nimble sinew]

Definitely blade fury in forest of reds

[small pebble]

#BuffNL

[trail garnet]

#BuffDB

[fair spoke]

Most definitely. My lv213 db is already out performing my shadower and it doesn’t even cap yet.

[oak ivy]

its going to get even better

[fair spoke]

No doubt! My Pa is down a lot because lack of boss drops and Arcane force. But once I’m capping it’s over. Currently only hitting about 40m out of my available 65mdc. But even still. Doesn’t feel near as clunky as my shadower

[oak ivy]

True

Although i prefer shadower over dual blade because of the 60 second mini burst but dual blade still reigns

[fair spoke]

Yah it’s taken a bit to get used to not having that. But I think in the long run, the extra mobility will help with the lack of iframes

[misty totem]

Great investment on MDC, you will eventually cap hit when you gained more lvls which unlocks more v matrix slots, enhance skill points and arcane force ☺️

[fair spoke]

Yah just need lvls and more mesos to lv up arcane force.

[misty totem]

SF 194 is faster than AF map for your current lvl iirc

[fair spoke]

Yep. Till 225 sadly.

[nimble sinew]

Shadower is definitely stronger, look at the Will clear at 51m mdc pre rebalance. No one came as close

Db also has less lines than shad beyond the lack of survivability

[fair spoke]

Just feels clunky.

[trail garnet]

More lines if you can play it right, more difficult class to play

Less straight forward

More mechanics

[trail garnet]

Op

[misty totem]

Are you referring to Shadower or DB?

[trail garnet]

Shad

[misty totem]

Ahh yea, DB play style is quit straight forward and easy to handle compared to shad.

Was wondering is it possible to anvil the original Dual Blade White Mask and trade it?

Trying to get that face mask, unfortunately I started late.

[trail garnet]

Don't think you can anvil face accessories onto anything

[misty totem]

Too bad, it's iconic and looks good

[trail garnet]

Agreed.

[oak ivy]

absoutely

[hexed hull]

Transfer when lady Blair comes back

[misty totem]

I don’t have that item on my DB, is it possible to trade in the market?

Iirc, it’s given only a short period of time after they launched DB

[hexed hull]

Ohhh my bad. I misread that. 😩

I thought it was part of the starter outfit. I made mine when it first came out, I thought every starter dB got it. Probably was one of those special outfit events. Unfortunately can't get it unless nexon puts it back in a package or something?

[misty totem]

I wish I had it 😭

[misty totem]

Updated x4 Tri-Nodes

[acoustic matrix]

can someone enlighten me with their skills buff use time? do u put on pet let it auto on, or manual press during ds4

[frail vector]

Shadow Walker, Goddess Blessing, and Epic Adventure are 2min. cooldown. Last resort is 1min. and DS4 is 30 sec. They all cycle well with our V1 burst, aswell as our 3rd/5th etc. use of Asura's Anger burst which is 1min. as they come off cooldown so you'll have all 5 of those buffs up and ready even if you put them to auto on pet. Just need to burst quickly into the timeframe that they are up when they're off cooldown. I prefer to auto it on pets as its just less to micromanage, and for the buffs thats 1min. cooldown, you'll get more use out of it instead of just saving it just for bursts. Going into the end game bosses such as Gloom Hard Archon, Will, Verus Hilla. I'd like to have less things to micromanage as there's a lot of things during those bosses that could kill you given a moment of hesitation or unfocus, so putting them on pets allows for less of that occurrence.

[acoustic matrix]

thanks for the detailed reply. I guess I just keep it simply like you, focus more on boss attacks instead of buff time

[frail vector]

no problemo dude. Anytime 🫡

[nimble sinew]

gz on vhilla clear sir

[frail vector]

thank you sir. How'd you know lol

[nimble sinew]

same ign as your yt channel haha

[small pebble]

congrats rahj

[small pebble]

your yt channel too

[nimble sinew]

some starter pack stuff

it's nothing in comparison

[frail vector]

thank you thank you

[frail vector]

haha gotcha. Sorry you had to watch that

[oak ivy]

Tbh when you search msm db your videos are at the top

I also have watched your videos multiple times

[small pebble]

everyones idol

[frail vector]

what the... actually?

• deletes videos *

[oak ivy]

YEAH HAHA

Don’t worry tho

We need more of these in gmsm

[nimble sinew]

Db represent

[acoustic matrix]

may I know the videos link ><

[nimble sinew]

https://youtu.be/5WgJBh3Ezmk?si=sqKcWIWUDzhG9cCB

[misty totem]

@frail vector wondering do you change your bossing skill wheel often for other bosses other than vhilla?

[fair spoke]

The only thing I change is when I need blink.

[frail vector]

For me, the only boss I change it up is Lucid. Switching blink for blade ascension just cuz I dont like the up-jump we got. Feels a bit clunky to me. Other than that, for all the other bosses, blink is the more practical skill to use. Since im still new to VHilla, I've been switching things up, doing tests to see what works better. Still learning VHilla and found the cast animations for some of our skills will lock me into place at times and won't let me avoid strings fast enough, aswell as our blade ascension still allows VHilla and her skulls attack to clip us if we aren't in the air high/fast enough, so blink might be the better choice there. Though, learning her attack rotation (Still trying to memorize it) would probably help preemptively dodge that attack.

[fair spoke]

Finally maxed everything out with the free nodes at lv220

[halcyon magnet]

Hi guys, any change in Hyper Stat priority for DB?

[sacred mortar]

They should remake or revamp the dual blade secondary skill in 3rd or 4th job that follows the star level and at a miserable rate for extra damage? What do you guys think? And the poison 5th job skill should have more lines with longer duration too...

[trail garnet]

Probably should. Doesn't make much difference even with 16 star secondary

[true quiver]

Finally Necrofied 🙂

At 8th Try lol

[viral breach]

gz

[royal pilot]

Anyone who can share the combos they use to attack bosses?

[misty totem]

https://youtu.be/GXjgcAU24J8?si=batheWIhJnzx3X4N

Recommended to give it a try and practice.

Use it as references

[royal pilot]

3B

[fair spoke]

This isn’t the trade server. Get outta here with that.

[sacred mortar]

To the devs pls rework 4th job DB skill BLADE MASTERY as % to proc. is way too low and also TOXIC VENOM, cool down too long and could probably make the venom stackable. What do u guys think?

[oak ivy]

Stackable venom sounds too op

[misty totem]

#buffDB

[sacred mortar]

Have u seen nightlords dps... I mean all classes are dps now...so the top tier dps classes should have an edge. Honestly DBs dont have anything to offer the party except thier dps sooooo let us have it babyyy! Stackable venom for DB! 🙂 And let the blade mastery proc up to 80% or 90%. If the devs are generous maybe 100%. Make us a viable DPS class. Theres a lot of DB mains also. Hehe.

[trail garnet]

Also cut v4 CD to .5 seconds 😂

[sacred mortar]

Hahhahaha invincibility bro aint gonna happen... But i mean if the dev is generous hehe

[fair spoke]

Just give me a 60sec cool down on blade tempest and I’ll be happy.

[sacred mortar]

Yea the tempest is way too long and not even a summon skill. Devs please help DBs by giving more lines or rework on some of their more useless skill such as toxic venom and blade mastery. DB mains are everywhere and it is one of the more unique classes being able to wield 2 daggers. Should be x2 more hits hehe.

Clone dmg 90%... Toxic venom stackable... Blade mastery proc. rework and blade tempest cooldown reduction.

And more lines

#PLEASEbuffDB

[true quiver]

Guys a quick Question,

I have used my First exalt stone on my Necro, the one we got from moment, It passed.

Can I use the normal Exalt stone from event shop?

[torpid solar]

If your necro is already lv 40 or higher u cant use the normal ones from the event shop

[true quiver]

My Necro is level 42

So Now I have to wait for Radiant stones in events lol

[torpid solar]

Or craft them yeah

[misty totem]

FYI, do priorities on extal Necro armors before weapon as your N42 dagger is very sufficient to hit max MDC till 70M and above with full buffs

[true quiver]

Of for real @misty totem ? My MQX Damage is 20M At the moment.

I do 12-13M per line Max and min 7-9M

On bull buff I go UpTo 20mill

[misty totem]

Ensure your “Fair Trades” is on, you should be dealing 20M when full buff on any bosses that doesn’t have DEF Ignore Rate on it

[true quiver]

Even with the current stats I have? @misty totem

[true quiver]

This is without Buffs

And my current Hyper stats point

[misty totem]

Do check your DMs

[indigo karma]

does it matter which skill to cast first? V2 or V3?

[nimble sinew]

i only use v3 first to control where the skill is facing and v2 is whatever aoe

[misty totem]

Recommend prioritising V2, then V3 casting, as V2 alone deals much more damage than V3.

Casting V2 first gives you a consistent advantage, since V2 will always be available again after its cooldown.

[trail garnet]

The dmg is about the same. 120 lines vs 126 lines if you can hit the typhoon. Stand closer to target to make sure both hit when bossing. The cast delay between the 2 skills was reduced so it doesn't really matter which one goes first. Personally I do v2 first.

[acoustic matrix]

any DB doing vhilla now? can share the stats required for this boss ?

[trail garnet]

Very very minimum if you're a beast probably 100m cap and 250k~ hp but obviously the more hp the better. If you're solo you can use altars so you can get away with less hp, but if you're on a team you'll need hp to survive without healing the entire fight except for bishop door.

@acoustic matrix

[acoustic matrix]

so the minimum requirement would be 100m hmmm guess i need upgrade more now

[trail garnet]

That is actually the absolute minimum. At that MDC you need to stick to the boss 100% of the fight if you want to beat it in time.

If you take too many altars you won't make it.

@acoustic matrix check out this guy's videos on YouTube. Search vhilla db under rahj. It's how I got started.
@frail vector

[frail vector]

👀

if in solo mode. Id say about 100-110m mdc with 40% IED should be just about enough for Normal mode. Our biggest enemy to our damage is when VHilla teleports or does her FMA while we are bursting (which at times unfortunately line up together). So i highly recommend memorizing her rotation and the times she does FMA (which is about every: 1min. 30sec.)

[trail garnet]

Next month it might be easier with 6th job but yeah as of right now ^

[robust yew]

Db is alr more pop than shad and can teleport to kerning

[frail vector]

Nexon wont let me pass any arcane so unfortunately gonna have to rely on 6th job for the upgrade to hard mode . Maybe even a mdc creep if thats even coming

[trail garnet]

Last buff to mdc was last December and buff to eqp/sf/legion was in April.

I think we're due for base mdc increase. Cinna firmly believes that. I hope he's right 🙏

[trail garnet]

Yo bro. GL. My hat is bricked

[frail vector]

You too! Hope we both pass our next attempt

[trail garnet]

Next year bro. Next year we got it for sure

[nimble sinew]

Goat 💯

[frail vector]

Happy New Years my fellow DBs!! May this year be kind to us in our upgrades and progress!!

[nimble sinew]

Might even see a few old db 👀

[indigo karma]

.

[primal violet]

Hello, anywhere to find info on our dB 6th job skills?

[indigo karma]

Have for NL?

[primal violet]

Thanks bro!

[trail garnet]

Not sure if it'll stay the same for gmsm but it looks like they added a lot of lines to our vskills🙏

#BuffDB

[nimble sinew]

no mention of rebalance during showcase

here's to hoping

[ornate wharf]

@frail vector Will there be a guide for leveling up Hexa skills? Will it be helpful?

[trail garnet]

For the love of god I hope this is wrong. Second to last wt f.

[frail vector]

The Hexa thing is all new to me. I'll be going into 6th job blind lol. If theres a MSM version guide in the future, id love to be informed about it

[ornate wharf]

TY

[nimble sinew]

we'll have to wait for the skill description to decide if it's worth the path, most of us wouldn't benefit from the fd/skill % it boost

#msm-general message

was talking about the showcase of our 6th job skills in tw stream yesterday

does our 6th job skill lines come from a designated skill/burst sequence?

because the way they cast the skill is weird compare to other vid i saw

and the line count looks terrible

https://youtu.be/nVcRK164E5k?t=2121

im guessing it's either the skill ran out of mp before fully casting or they didn't cast our shadow partner before using it

[nimble sinew]

compared to this

[trail garnet]

Yeah....something's not right. If you watch the video closely, he only gets 3k lines on the first try then 4469 on second.

Hoping it's user error

[nimble sinew]

do you think the first cast was without shadow clone?

assuming no auto buff

but no idea what's the 2 skills in buff tab

[nimble sinew]

ya afaik db 6th job skill isn't 1 tap donezo version

[trail garnet]

I know bro....I'm not even asking for too much, even if we weren't top 30 line count I wouldn't care. But literally dead last. c'mon man

[nimble sinew]

10s to consume/stack karma blade right

[mighty halo]

Seems like initial burst of 4k lines followed by some DoT

[opal ivy]

hence take the data wif a pinch of salt, they are focusing on showcasing the animations, some forgotten buffs and not the full duration will skew the numbers

[primal violet]

whaaaa

6184 will be awesome

6th skill lines

1. Cannoneer - 8113 (w Buckshot)
2. Shade - 7798
3. Thunder Breaker - 6796
4. Night Lord - 6292
5. Demon Avenger - 6292
6. Shadower - 6240
7. Kaiser - 6064
8. Luminous - 6059
9. Fire/Poison - 5913
10. Evan - 5910
11. Erel - 5888
12. Hoyoung - 5866
13. Blaze Wizard - 5862
14. Corsair - 5854
15. Demon Slayer - 5832
16. Hayato - 5828
17. Adele - 5780
18. Battle Mage - 5763
19. Ice/Lightning - 5721
20. Buccaneer - 5700
21. Mechanic - 5700
22. Hero - 5668
23. Bishop - 5642
24. Iel - 5638
25. Sia - 5623
26. Night Walker - 5613
27. Wind Archer - 5612
28. Dark Knight - 5611
29. Paladin - 5588
30. Phantom - 5582
31. Dawn Warrior - 5581
32. Kinesis - 5561
33. Bowmaster - 5540
34. Lynn - 5540
35. Xenon - 5472
36. Aran - 5445
37. Ark - 5364
38. Wild Hunter - 5353
39. Kanna - 5350
40. Pathfinder - 5119
41. Angelic Buster - 5079
42. Marksman - 4972
43. Cadena - 4947
44. Mercedes - 4860
45. Dual Blade - 4469
46. Blaster - 4065

[pine meteor]

[misty totem]

Great, at least buffed

[pine meteor]

allot of classes didn't even get buffed so this is very good yes

[nimble sinew]

line check

[misty totem]

Appreciated for putting effort to test on behalf of us

[nimble sinew]

Need more input, idk how to improve

[last kernel]

Anyone unlocked the phantom blow upgrade for v6? Would like to see the skill changes

[mighty halo]

More lines but lower dmg per line? Idk

[last kernel]

Oooh, do you have the skill description? 🤔 thanks for that !

[last kernel]

Thanks!

[misty totem]

Does anyone knows what’s the burst order for our skills with Karma Blade?

[misty totem]

Wondering how did you get that 6.1k line count, I just checked mine only deal 4.5k

[trail garnet]

Did you wait for the second part to finish? Also not sure if more karma blade stacks = more lines

[primal violet]

ya karma blade has a finishing blow. after there's enough hit from other skills

[misty totem]

Hmmm, I shall try again. Not quite understand how it works yet

[nimble sinew]

Pairing 6th with v1 is almost exactly the full amount to proc the finishing blow

[trail garnet]

Probably lower skill dmg for now cause it's lvl 1 compared to maxed skill

[trail garnet]

Not looking forward to that

[trail garnet]

Is enhanced asura's anger available to unlock or is it not released yet?

I only have the one for phantom blow

[nimble sinew]

not yet, that's mastery 2

[trail garnet]

Oh I swear they showcased it somewhere but didn't see it in the patch notes

[nimble sinew]

yea i had to check grandislibrary

[acoustic matrix]

havent started the hexa matrix thing yet, anyone got a guide on that >< highly appreciated

[misty totem]

Could you kindly screen record on how you did it and share it over? 😄

[nimble sinew]

#1059991969805385729 message

[misty totem]

Thanks mate!

[native hemlock]

Any thoughts on what we should go with? Or is it same as GMS

[sacred mortar]

Which hyper stats did you guys go for assuming final dmg, extra line dmg, physical dmg and max dmg is max at lvl 25? Boss dmg, crit rate or crit dmg? I have excess points and dont know what to add... Im thinking boss dmg... Wad do you fellow DB users think?

Also if all the v5 maxtrix is maxed i still have points when leveling up? Could this points be used elsewhere? Just a legit thought hahhahaha

[indigo karma]

wow 105? sheesh

[native hemlock]

Thanks, I went with MDC, IED and FD

[trail garnet]

11 fd on lvl 1

Just in case anyone's curious

[trail garnet]

I went BA. The amount of CD at max level isn't worth the investment.

[trail garnet]

Yeah I put the extra points on all the decent skills for extra phy atk%

[sacred mortar]

I mean one would max all the slot free level stats for V matrix at 244. After 244 i notice there is extra points given but no where to assign to? Is this done on purpose?

[sacred mortar]

Yea i thought so too thanks for the reply! 🙂

[royal pilot]

Karma Blade? How can I acquire that skill?

Hexa?

Can someone tell me the abilities of the 250 hexa from DB?

[robust yew]

What's the recommended hyper skill distribution for this class?

[nimble sinew]

Yes

[misty totem]

Are you referring to Hyper Passive?

[robust yew]

Yes

[misty totem]

#1059991969805385729 message

[sacred mortar]

Guys legit question after hitting 250 there is a quest after 6th job quest... They keep asking me to defeat the genesis crux... What is that? Some blackage quest?

[royal pilot]

Lv250

[misty totem]

You may ignore it

[sacred mortar]

Yes thats the one

But i cannot ignore it... Its in my blood i NEED to do that quest!

[trail garnet]

No one can do the quest

[sacred mortar]

Hahhaha im just playing bro but was hoping someone had a way through

[trail garnet]

Lol

I feel you

[nimble tree]

Slowly sorting my DB, can’t for the life of me get the perfect trio boost nodes..

Unless I’m doing something wrong…

[misty totem]

All the best, took awhile to get perf trio x2

[nimble tree]

Okay, just about farming

[primal violet]

Omg lol. I didn't even know got this boast nodes..

[royal pilot]

Can someone tell me why it won't let me activate it? It says a requirement is missing

[nimble sinew]

Is your v matrix boost node of phantom blow maxed ?

[hard lion]

Anyone have here some guide to upgrading the Hexa what to improve first

[last kernel]

For people with just abso equips I would think stats first then origin to level 10 for the ied bonus

Hexa stats gives lots of boost

30m just like that

[hard lion]

Yeah I have 2 set umbra and already get 30m cap from the stats in the Hexa

But i not hit cap anymore so I think to open the v5 skills

[last kernel]

Oh, then yeah

[sacred mortar]

I think leveling BA to max on hyper stats more favourable as max dmg on passive V5 stats at lvl 25 is like only 2.25m max dmg... Easy max cap increase on V6 hexa... What do u think?

[last kernel]

I think very situational 😂 low cap people should go for stats first I think.

High cap people go for v5 but not sure where to fit origin. Quick a good boost at level 10 20% ied 🤔

[hexed hull]

Where's your second one 👀

[misty totem]

FYI phantom blow max is lv 60

[misty totem]

References #1059991969805385729 message

[hexed hull]

No sé si ya te has dado cuenta, pero el requisito para la habilidad es golpe fantasma nivel 50, así que necesitas dos tríos.

[misty totem]

Does anyone know is the Hexa PB Hit Count affected by this hyper passive?

If not, I think its time to reset that 1 point over to Final Cut extra FD%

[trail garnet]

Good question. Go to training grounds and hit the dummy one time. I'd like to know as well

[trail garnet]

I got 22 lines off one use for some reason

[nimble sinew]

So 10+ hyper 1 *2 from clone

[trail garnet]

nice

[nimble sinew]

My guess tho, not sure

[trail garnet]

It adds up 🤷‍♂️

[sacred mortar]

So the extra line count is added into hexa phantom blow? Is that what ur saying? Also does the animation change?

Anyone knows the skills that the hexa maxtrix unlocks? Like hexa phantom blow and...

What if its hexa flash bang?

[trail garnet]

Hexa asura

[misty totem]

Thanks for the contribution 🫡

[last kernel]

Flash bang will just be a passive in the future… at least according to kmsm

[true quiver]

Guys so I have tons of Experience Node stones, what Should I max? Will Skill or Maple Warrior, Last Resort?

[mental cave]

All

[true quiver]

I can't max all in one try

Give me a priority for the first one to get maxed?

[misty totem]

My personal preferences:

1. Maple Warrior
2. Will Skill
3. Last Resort

[nimble sinew]

Take the buff route if you’re struggling to cap, take the will route for reduced cd for more lines if you cap consistently

[true quiver]

@nimble sinew I hit 20 Mill Lines

Cap is 40

I have enough to Max Last Resort and Maple Warrior

What the CD for Will when maxed?

Will my current Steps help to evaluate what skill to max first?

I'm super confused

[nimble sinew]

I think goddess is more useful for you to burst, the passive pa from last resort is a good pick too

[sacred mortar]

Max ur last resort 19 to 25 should be easy

Open nodestones then recycle it with building the single skill and enchance it

Thats what i do

Then ur last skill

For DB erda skill that immobalizes the mob is a must personally... Makes bossing so much easier and pleasing as u can burst them down for sure hits (tempest and asura)

[sacred mortar]

U have 32 skill points go and max them up too all slots max @244

Lvl 244

Guys for hexa what u guys say if most optimum adding the hexa phantom or hexa tempest boost?

[true quiver]

Thanks for your opinion

[true quiver]

Thanks @sacred mortar for your advice

[sacred mortar]

No worries

[true quiver]

While bossing

Karma > Bind > Phantom > destiny > Tornado > Tempest > Asura

The burst Is OP

[nimble sinew]

Karma itself is a bind, you can do karma+ tempest and wait for the purple ring animation showing the bind ends and use your erda bind if you wanna keep it stun for another round

[jovial pawn]

Enhancement rate is the chance of success right? How did you get this up to level 3 so fast?

[nimble sinew]

nah don't give nexon more rng ideas, that enhancement rate is the rate if the point would land on that row instead of the other 2

[jovial pawn]

Oh that means it may not necessarily enhance the main row even if you click on that?

[nimble sinew]

he's not clicking or selecting it, it's just in pink to show you it's a 'main stat'

[last kernel]

Just farm 24/7

[acoustic matrix]

so the best way to do is use karma then tempest then asura during ds4?

[nimble sinew]

That’s what I did, hoping for someone to fill in for me to separate karma and tempest for 2 different burst timing when needed

[jovial pawn]

Ah I see okay cool

[tulip gull]

U can survive SPF with 165k hp?

[true quiver]

Yeah so Far I can lol

[hollow wigeon]

Hello, can someone help with autobattle presets ?

[kind jungle]

And boss preset please 🙏
edit: also if possible to send the v skills info of dual blade , thank you

[true quiver]

Guys what are your opinion on hexa boost nodes?

[sacred mortar]

I think the hexa phantom is good first cost lower then blade tempest then work on opening the hexa stats

5000 sol erda hmmm

[dense nexus]

You need to upgrade two Phantom Strike nodes to level 25; I was stuck there too.

[true quiver]

So first unlock Hexa phantom

And then Tempest?

[ember pumice]

can anyone share whats the best DB's autobattle skill wheel setup to maximise killing mobs?

[misty totem]

You may choose Blade Fury or Hexa PB at your preferences

[jovial pawn]

Does anyone know what's the minimum MDC and ied to solo V hilla?

[sacred mortar]

Use lvl 60 fury for mobbing easy one hit

Just put aoe skills for mobbing DB is tanky enuf and doesnt die out easily below 250

[thin minnow]

May I know after activate hexa pb, which skill will be next worthy to activate?

[sacred mortar]

Blade tempest

[nimble sinew]

I’d chase the mdc in hexa stat before any fd boost

[sacred mortar]

First do they max if yes then hexa stats
If no then do dmg boost easier to unlock and unlocks content till lotus

[sacred mortar]

I agree hexa stats is great but at 38m mdc for some cant even reach...

Hexa lvl 1 pushes mdc to 48m

May i ask after 250 is leveling lets say 252 or 259 what benefit does it get? All i know points for passive huper stats still gains but other than that any benefits?

[trail garnet]

Nope. You stop getting vmatrix points after a while too, no incentive to keep leveling

[sacred mortar]

Ooo no v matrix points really what level in specific do u know? Dayum

[mental cave]

So fellow DB's what do we choose for HEXA stats? As main and submain stats?

[bright thorn]

Main: MDC
Sub: FD
Sub: IED

[sacred mortar]

I think all of maplem class run this 3 in this manner

😆

[primal violet]

Hey fellow bladers, anyone got ss of the 6th job upgrade for our v skills and hexa phantom blow?

[true quiver]

Blade Tempest or Haunted edge? Or Blade of Destiny?

I can't reach MDC yet

[mental cave]

I've done those 3, than opened stats page

[primal violet]

Can see the skill description screenshot for hexa phantom blow and tempest sir?

[true quiver]

Wow 57

How the hell u farming?

[torpid solar]

Bosses/solo party with drop rate buffs most likely

[true quiver]

I don't Think we get Sol Frags

Only Sol Charges are dropped by boss yeah?

[trail garnet]

No? Ab and bosses drop both

Every single frag on TS is from boss drops

[hard lion]

Hiii How many mobs you guys kill in 1 hour farm and what skills do you use on farm

[last kernel]

Around 9.9-10k

[kind jungle]

What are the iframes for dual blade?
Just the dark sight of 10sec?

[civic basalt]

Final cut, chain of hell

[kind jungle]

Thanks

[charred canopy]

Should I still choose MDC as main hexa stat even though I’m not hitting my MDC already

[true quiver]

Guys I have 3 of these hexa skill activated. Should I go for Destiny or keep enhancing Phantom blow?

What's worth it?

[mental cave]

I had 3 skills (as in photo) then went for HEXA stats page. And now back to opening rest of the skills

[primal violet]

Do yall still use flashbang for bosses above lotus?

[sacred mortar]

So many omg

[kind jungle]

How do you kill so many ? Mine is 5k at max.. maybe because it’s the erda 20 ?

[last kernel]

Not sure it helps but I do solo

[kind jungle]

I’ll try thanks

[rain sage]

Anyone having mana issues in vhilla?

[civic basalt]

Use normal mana pot instead of power elixir for mana

[true quiver]

Guys I'm still confused according to my current stats

Shall I unlock Hexa Stats.. but I'm not near my MDC

Or either enhance hexa Phantom or unlock others?

[true quiver]

I have opportunity to level Origin skill also

Worth it?

[charred canopy]

Having this exact same issue

[charred canopy]

I ended up doing my main hexa stat as def ignore

[true quiver]

I didn't unlock any of my Hexa Stat

[charred canopy]

I’m jus saying that was my route because I was/am having the same issue where I am currently jot hitting my MDC already

So why would I need to increase it

[sacred mortar]

Whats your emblem on legendary secondary weapon BA or PD?

[ornate wharf]

BA

[sacred mortar]

BA is BIS right now?

[kind jungle]

Hey, someone mind to share is preset for mobbing ?
I kill one shot at hexa map 30 . But I hardly kill 7.5k hour.
I noticed that I even don’t go anywhere besides the bottom platform

[nimble sinew]

+1, spf20 is better for me

[kind jungle]

So u know if there is any drop rate difference of soul erda ?
How much kills per hour?

[nimble sinew]

im only doing duo with pub so composition might affect but spf20 avg 7-8k/h, spf30 6-7k/h

[misty totem]

https://www.youtube.com/live/DZ0q84Q_kDs?si=eZUSNsfSeU5hCWRZ

You may references this top DB from Taiwan

[kind jungle]

Thanks!

[nimble sinew]

dang 13k/h

[nimble sinew]

First spf20 solo

[kind jungle]

I moved to spf 20 also
I notice it’s better.
But today I was like 4 hours and nothing dropped

[nimble sinew]

Tho my kill rate is very low compared to the streamer

[kind jungle]

Mine too , but at least it’s better now

[sacred mortar]

Thats like 710 soul and 11 frags dammmm i am soo jealous

Gimme some

[nimble sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/my-food-don’t-share-gif-12800805552624972931

[hard lion]

He used speed buffs that’s why

And make sure you one shot the mobs

[kind jungle]

Hey , after hexa stats . What should be my route on hexa skills ( I’m not capping anymore)

[hard lion]

Now you need to focus on opening the v skills to lvl 1 for extra stats on the v skills after take the origan to lvl 10 and the skill we spaming with

[kind jungle]

Thanks, focus on the origin after? Not the phantom blow?

[hard lion]

Really depends

The origin give in lvl 10 20% additional def ignore

But they both important

[kind jungle]

Thanks 🙏

[native hemlock]

Is there an exp difference between sf 20 and the others

[kind jungle]

Think spf 30 is the best
But I prefer spf 20 for more kill rate

[sacred mortar]

Anyone tried opening enhanced haunted edge? Did it reduce cooldown? If so i think its a very much needed essential to boost overall dpm greatly cos now it procs 3secs per activation

[cedar oxide]

Have we reached a consensus on whether origin or hexa pb is best to level after unlocking all the skills and maxing out hexa stat?

[kind jungle]

I would like to know how much boost is each lvl of origin.
I think the long run is origin

[mighty halo]

Final damage boost, no other effects

6/7% per level for origin

[kind jungle]

Do you know what is the boost of the dmg each lvl ?

[sacred mortar]

6 and 7% bro

From level 1 to 8 thus far

[sacred mortar]

2 more to origin milestone!!!

Best maps for sol erda is 20?

[misty totem]

Yes

[tall venture]

Can someone please share the farming and bossing skill wheel + skill preset for reference? 🙏

[civic basalt]

Farming

[civic basalt]

Bossing

[tall venture]

Thanks mate

[rich terrace]

:((

[sacred mortar]

In case anyone havnt known node slots are 3 pages long now for V skills wthhhh

I didnt know mannn... Was toggling page 1 for V skills dammit

[acoustic matrix]

2 more for level 9

[rich terrace]

:((

[misty totem]

1 more to go, you can do it

[rich terrace]

One easy hit, just low MDC.

[rich terrace]

:((

[rich terrace]

Condolences

[void garnet]

Would you guys consider it good ? Should I keep going ?

[mental cave]

Has anyone made some calculations what SPF field is best for us? Solo/party ?

[kind jungle]

I do spf 20 solo and think it’s the best.. but again, sometimes I can do 1h and there will drop of 4 soul erda. And sometimes after 4 hours there is nothing

[mental cave]

Mkay, i thought its me only,..

N how about mesos? I've seem bishs doing sp30 and making 15m/h w/o any mesos buffs

[true quiver]

Finally got my first dominator pendant lol but it's Epic pot. I needed a unique one 🙁

SPF 30 with Duo party

Base item Drop Rate : 35.7%

With cup of coffee: 65.7%

[true quiver]

After Ab

[mental cave]

Yra,. Okay so we suck

[mental cave]

Than,...

[kind jungle]

Hey, because of the shadow clone the kin dmg is lower, so our hit count is ok but this is hard to max the output. Someone got any tips ?

[viral breach]

leggo!!!!!

[kind jungle]

Hey , someone got tips for good burst for dual blade?
Tips to handle the min dmg issue ?

[sacred mortar]

Just raise max dmg db have high percent for stats in built.. physical dmg and final dmg is the hardest and lacking i think for db

Our burst are on the higher spectrum but thats all we do slice and dice baby anything that stands in our way hehe

Please buff the proc rate if 4th job dagger skill/toxin/and blade tempest last time it his 12 on 30secs cooldown shouldnt it be at least 48-52hits on 120 cooldown?

Blade tempest has a super long cd for only 30hits it should be more imo

[slim wind]

Yo can hear from yall how u leveling your hexa skills ?

[kind jungle]

After you opened them all, origin is the best to lvl up from my experience

[slim wind]

After origin 10 mastery 10 and boost 1 each ?

[pine meteor]

first boost 1 each

[rich terrace]

Has anyone been to Har Verus Hila? Could you share your experience with me?

[cursive ridge]

Can I confirm this is the perfect trios for DB? No more blade ascension

Looked through pins and messages related to trios, a bit confusing for dB xd

Seems like there's diff builds

[misty totem]

Yes, the Trio Nodes above are still relevant till date

[cursive ridge]

Thankss

[misty totem]

However, the AB skill build has changed and I do use Blade Fury at SPF 20 solo

[acoustic matrix]

can someone help me how to maximize damage in Will run T.T

[last kernel]

Why is your karma blade so lack luster

One use should be enough to give you 6k+ lines

Do you combo it with Asura or tempest?

Maybe hard to do full dmg on Will since stage 1 and 2 die in seconds but for final stage you should be able to deal the dmg fully and get 6k ++ lines

[torpid solar]

What do we max after karma blade?

[acoustic matrix]

I also dunno lol. I used in p1 and p3 I think. I always use tempest after karma blade ( still within ds4)

[tidal oasis]

Now pb?

[nimble sinew]

Depends what’s your cap and are you capping min damage?

[thin minnow]

Should I open page 2 or this looks enough, and proceed to up skill nodes?

[tidal oasis]

270cap
Not caping

[nimble sinew]

I’m told the whale direction is to keep going on origin 30 for ied since weapon mastercraft and exalting could subside the need for skill damage from mastery

[ornate wharf]

explaying this pls

[nimble sinew]

the end goal is to hit cap. both skill damage from levelling mastery and exalting weapon gets you there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aU_H1GqkU0

i think he doesn't even need those level to cap

[torpid solar]

Karma blade only 3k lines? Is this normal?

[last kernel]

No, how are you using it?

[torpid solar]

Using buffs before pressing it once

Skills*

[last kernel]

Combo it with tempest

Or Asura

[torpid solar]

i press it once

Then use tempest

After that asura

[last kernel]

Then it should hit the full number of hits

Is this in Clucid? That boss is bugged sometimes

[torpid solar]

No

What is it cqlled

[last kernel]

Then I don’t know 🤣

[torpid solar]

Training with mu

sec

[last kernel]

If you use karma blade then tempest/asura straight away. You should get the full hit count at 6k++

[torpid solar]

70% def ignore + 90% crit resist

Without ba

I did 3 tests

Always got around 3100 Lines

Can u try it out once real quick if u got time and send ss

[last kernel]

Did you somehow disabled your shadow partner?

I got a feeling your shadow partner is missing cause tempest is also dealing only half the number of lines

[torpid solar]

We found the issue

Thanks

[last kernel]

[kind jungle]

Hey
Is there a way to upgrade the min dmg if I am capping ?
Because the clone is taking 70% of the dmg , so I think the answer will be no , but still checking

[true quiver]

Guys finally made my Necro Shoe.

Kindly guide me what Option to go for?

[true quiver]

People saying it doesn't matter what stats u go cuz it's useless

[mental sluice]

hyper passive guide?

[true quiver]

Guys it's worth buying a signet ? Or just keep grinding the boss and primal Essense?

[kind jungle]

Hmm maybe but primal instead of? Maybe it will be cheaper

[kind jungle]

Hey , I notice people don’t put on the same preset the typhoon and the other one with the 12 seconds cooldown with phantom blow. Why is that ?
I mean like my img .
Would like to hear improvements i and also know we should use flashback on bosses?

[nimble sinew]

Best thing to craft since it basically doesn’t drop

[nimble sinew]

What’s your question? V2 and v3 is mostly together

[kind jungle]

This is my preset , I see people don’t connect them with phantom blow , and put them in other preset, why ?

[nimble sinew]

Personal preference I guess, I have them together too. Separating them might have better control of ds4 lineup

[kind jungle]

Oh Allright thanks

And do u use on bosses , the skill flashbang?

[bitter basin]

Hi guys. How is DB rn compare to other thieves?

[trail garnet]

Weak

Average if anything, definitely not top tier

Play it if you like the playstyle, kit, aesthetic, feel, etc

You'll be disappointed if playing for the damage alone

You'll have to spend more than some other classes to do the same dmg

Line count is decent, not the worst, not great

If you like thieves, try nightlord or shadower. Night Walker is fun but also need heavy investment to do dmg. But it'll be insane if you do

Phantom is also a very good choice

[bitter basin]

Ty! Recently burned 4 thieves: DB SD NW NL, love DB’s aesthetic the most but somehow not sure about his kit for bossing.

[nimble sinew]

do you have a rough mdc estimate for clucid,cwill? ied of about 45%

[trail garnet]

Lucid can be done with 250-300, cwill 350-400 range

But obviously more mdc will make it easier

[nimble sinew]

those doing clucid at 190m range is definitely monster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVUnyvDW9v8

this is another

[trail garnet]

Whoops yeah with origin it'll be lower

[bitter basin]

I invested a little bit on my DB and SD to compare. They both have lvl4 main V skills, same thief V buffs, same hyper stats, same weapon(I transferred from DB to SD), almost the same CP. Test was to take down n Crimson Queen. And DB was ahead for 3 mins.

Then I go back to check the stats and skill dmg. DB has higher base skill dmg and more FD PA from skills.
Not sure what it will be with HEXA.

[bitter basin]

Or maybe it’s just me who played badly SD🤣

[torpid solar]

Db on top

[nimble sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/delusional-gif-20228922

[bitter basin]

https://tenor.com/view/so-what-gif-11216020563114093296

[young raven]

Have u tried NW?

[bitter basin]

Yes. It needs heavy funding to be good

[bitter basin]

Tested on lvl200 with lvl1 V skills. Tons of lines (1st among thieves at least), great surviving kits, nice visual effects, simple gameplay.

[young raven]

Base on your experience how will you rank Shadower, DB and NW? Db needs funding too unlike Shadower 🙁 but shadower really looks flashy

And Phantom seems pretty good too.

But i tested them pre lvl200 thou. So i cant really tell the changes once they all reach 200

[bitter basin]

I still don' t understand why people say DB need more funding than Shad, cause DB has higher skill dmg ratio on V skills and hyper, and higher in-built %PA, with same euqipe he will just out dmg Shad. And shad's two V iframes are also high dmg skill, if u keep it as iframe during boss fight, u will lose dmg/min. So shad is tankier, maybe it's easier to join mid-end boss.

[bitter basin]

with same equipe at lvl 200, same lvl1 node. DB > shad >> NW ~= NL

[bitter basin]

i'm now lvling up phantom, cadena and hoyoung. But without burning it will take a long while

[young raven]

Wow thanks for the insights btw, how will you know if a certain kill have an iframe?

[bitter basin]

it's written in the description

check db's final blow and chain

[bitter basin]

oh one thing I ignored which may make DB need more funding => find the perfect boost node and lvl it up. With 200M mesos invested in each's nodes, my DB still need one perfect node and the skill lvl are under 10, while shad already has lvl30 on assassinate.

[trail garnet]

Once you actually fund the class, you'll understand. Shad has way more lines and lower cooldowns. Db has slightly better burst, while shad has nonstop consistent dps and better off burst

You won't find any veterans who'll say db is better than shad 😂

[young raven]

thanks for the insight I might try it out soon

Im still new though I find thief classes interesting

Im looking for some main Dps coz sometimes being a Paladin makes me boring xD

I hope I can explore the Pirate, Archer class but Thief is only thing that im familiar with

[trail garnet]

One thing to keep in mind is shadower is harder to play, more skill required but it pays off

[trail garnet]

Just play the classes you find fun. No point in meta chasing

Things always change

And all classes are viable if you fund it enough

[young raven]

so hard to choose, most of them I enjoyed alot 😛

[bitter basin]

same here like all of them except NL

[young raven]

have you guys tried pirate class or archer? any suggestions? just need for kerning buffs too

[bitter basin]

u can watch echo's analyse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yVWIZ8LmoI

[young raven]

where is iel?

[young raven]

no one is playing Wildhunters too xD

[trail garnet]

So funny how everyone thumbed up buff pathfinder posts and thumbed down the buff db post 😂

[ornate wharf]

xd

I'd like some tips on what I should level up next? I've already maxed out my hexa stat with MDC; I currently have 250 MDC

I was thinking of leveling up my Hexa Mastery to level 10. I see it's not that hard to improve, but I don't know if it's worth it

[trail garnet]

It's worth

[lapis grove]

Do we add sudden raid in boss fights?

[nimble sinew]

Mainly to reduce fc cd

[sacred mortar]

But if u go to the shadower thread they say DB is better HAHAHAHHA

[sacred mortar]

They fear the dual wielding demon 😈

Butone thing for sure we hold two blades but there is no justification or uniqueness of it... The 4th job extra hit skill is the only unique skill but it procs at a super low % chance make it like 50% or 70% proc rate! And buff hyper common venom skill! Maybe more lines too on tempest...

[nimble sinew]

We need half the casting time for tempest and asura anger

[sacred mortar]

Agree

[thin minnow]

Now the pa flames no longer related even with end game gear and we need get ied right? Since currently event got 10 leg flames, I am thinking to use it only signet

[nimble sinew]

If you don’t cap reliably, this stat might be more useful that the ied especially if your ied is already around 40+%

Imho

[thin minnow]

It is capping now.. and ied is 42%

[void bloom]

What’s the highest phy att scaling with?

[thin minnow]

1500 for me scale with hp

[void bloom]

Is hp the highest one or depends on the build

[thin minnow]

I believed hp is the highest one for pa scaling

[nimble sinew]

dang, your offense stat will drop by a lot tho. maybe some other thieves can advice on that

#1259005769077231648 message

maybe try this if it's worth

[trail garnet]

I wouldn't attempt to roll that with legendary flames. Wouldn't even roll unless I had 30+ mythic flames cause the current flames are actually decent.

[young flint]

Just sharing to share, my farming skill wheel. With reg pets I’m still getting 1-2x frags an hour in sacred force field 20

[thin minnow]

I tried to do this before then start getting kick 🥲

[young flint]

Kicked? For what lol? Also tbf I farm solo it’s better frag rates

[young flint]

This skill set up lets DB get to higher platforms more often so if they kicking you, make your own party with pexp rates set and people will join overtime

Don’t use this skill wheel for boss parties if that’s what you’re getting kicked from??

[hexed hull]

Thanks for this, I did solo today for a little over 5 hours and found 10.

[soft stream]

better farm efficiency compared to blade fury?

[young flint]

No use blade fury get stuck on bottom

[nimble sinew]

saw your feedback, have you tried solo in spf20? im averaging around 2/h with 90%dr, make it 100% with mulung candy

10k k/h

[hexed hull]

Before whatever update they did where they supposedly changed the Dr, I was getting 2-4 an hour. Back then I only had like 40% Dr without buffs. Now I have 50% and I'm still using candy and coffee and I'm barely getting 1 per hour.

This was solo for 5 hours last night hot time.

I have been going to spf 20 but today I tried 30 again solo. I can no longer get 1 per hour.

[nimble sinew]

What’s your skill setup ?

do you have m pet?

[hexed hull]

Yes m pet the entire time. And my skill setup used to be this but without blade ascension. But now I'm using blade ascension set up from earlier in the convo from brimmed_silence.

[nimble sinew]

I tried, it doesn’t work for me. Solo essentially relies on blade fury permanently staying on the ground and occasionally clearing upper platform with v2/3/suddenraid/origin and loot solely with pet vac

You need to compare both the kill rate

Since there’s no drop without kill

So more kill= more drop chance

[hexed hull]

Gonna try bf again 🥲

[young flint]

With blade fury I stay on bottom and get 0.5 frags an hour in sp20 field. Using skill wheel I sent and no blade fury, I get 1-2 frags per hour.

That’s with regular pets and no consumables on for drop rate, although my base drop rate is 85% currently. But staying on bottom with blade fury was absolutely terrible for me for a long time till I put together that blade ascension set up. Whatever works for y’all, sweet.

[young flint]

Wish you luck with drops!! Drop rate may have a play in it, or your character speed too.

[hexed hull]

Ty. Just gonna keep trying different stuff at this point cause everything is not consistent.

[young flint]

I agree. I still have days with 5 hours no drops. Just rng at that point but most often I’m getting 1-2 frags an hour currently

[nimble sinew]

yea i supposed you'll need ascension to loot on higher platform which mpet can resolve

yea luck is still ahead of whatever technical stuff we try to build

[young flint]

Even with event mpets I used this set up cause the vac effect trash and only go off for one sec at beginning of fever lol…so rope lift and ascension just helps get character to higher spots and hit different AB patterns

[nimble sinew]

i could go 1.5 hour with nothing or 5 in an hour

[young flint]

Exactly. Rng biggest component and drop rate doesn’t fully alleviate that at all

[nimble sinew]

i do notice i go on platform when im on speed buff

presumably beyblade clears the ground fast enough

[young flint]

Hahah beyblade nice and yes speed buff been told to me as essential for solo cause map too wide

Character will just target far left/right mobs when clearin opposite side, instead of going up to closer mobs

But speed buffs costly so lately been just raw ab

Blade fury animation long too, and ascension setup does go off pretty often but need phantom blow on regular skill slot and in the preset slot so that your character isn’t doing blade ascension too often, as it’s low dmg

[hexed hull]

This me rn in a duo party. Idk what they have done but it never used to be like this for me. I used 3 coffee and a bunch of candy, and this is where I'm at. I'm not buying ab or consumables anymore lol.

[young flint]

Solo only is where I get any drops. Duo and up is always bad

[hexed hull]

I barely get anything in solos lately either. It's crazy. I stopped doing solo in s 20 cause it was so bad. Now I'm back to duo cause the exp is terrible.

[young flint]

It’s just rng. Some days are bad and some aren’t. Exp needed to so i understand and hope drops get betters /:

[hexed hull]

[young flint]

What’s your drop rate and speed %?? That may be part of it. But I truly can’t help but stay suggesting solo sf20 v.v

[young flint]

To be fair, this is best rate I’ve had in a while

Still no mpets and no consumables popped just drop rate and speed % from gear

[young raven]

guys which is best jewel to invest? should I get the PDI set or Boss atk set?

[young flint]

I’ve been told to go PD after latest jewel update

[nimble sinew]

On a good day

[torpid solar]

20 better than 30?

For db?

[nimble sinew]

In my testing yea

[runic egret]

It feels like Dual Blade’s mesos farming is comparable to Phantom 🤔 , and better in survival skill as well

[young flint]

This is cause Dualblade is better duh LMAO

[oak ivy]

Yes

Phantom da db

Best meso farmers

[torpid solar]

What should i level up next

[young flint]

i did phantoms node to 10 and then tempest to 10, gonna alternate putting one level in last 3 til theyre 10 too

[nimble sinew]

i went with mastery on the first few levels since it requires lesser frag. will try to continue with origin but if my sol energy is capping ill spend some on mastery and the boost skill

given that my min and average dmg is far from capping although the max one does