gtfo-spoiler-chat

[prisma zodiac]

its just ALT R3 burst cannon

[half hornet]

No cancel ?

[daring pilot]

LMAO tell me how right now

[plain saddle]

It's literally better than alt r3, 10 more damage per burst

[prisma zodiac]

crouch when first bullet fires

[daring pilot]

Cool ty

Lemondrop

[atomic escarp]

actually you can cancel by getting snatched mid burst

[daring pilot]

Yeah i found that out last night actually

[plain saddle]

I prefer dying, I place a mine at my feet and shoot it with the second bullet

[tough atlas]

I will inform the Snatcher I know personally so he can help me

[fallow wasp]

Can we get a dark souls invasion style mission where someone is a fucked up sleeper like dying the light night hunter who just shows up to kill people

[half hornet]

I can imagine the desync issues, but sounds cute...

[fallow wasp]

That way we can worry about people modding the game to make themselves actually unkillable as a sleeper

[obtuse surge]

try not to use nickname mod challenge

[livid heath]

imposible

STOP RACING FFS

[obtuse surge]

i need to warmup for the cup

[livid heath]

FFS

GET MORE GTFO WR

STOP RACING

[obtuse surge]

too hard

[livid heath]

washed up

you became one of the racing sims

[obtuse surge]

https://tenor.com/view/gawrgura-hololive-en-cute-vtuber-gif-24919269

[livid heath]

ip grabber

[narrow gulch]

hel shotgun relatively unchanged by this tbh

its probably actually a good thing

so ppl will stop using it as stupidly

[livid heath]

how long is PR reload right now?

[obtuse surge]

not long enough

[livid heath]

man stfu

now i dont want to drag your sorry ass in GTFO no more

[obtuse surge]

[livid heath]

go back to your racing sim

goofy ahh go karts mf

[topaz mauve]

god this would be fun

[olive shoal]

yeye i misunderstood it

[topaz mauve]

a team has to clear a level while there's someone who's just playing like, a hybrid or a unit trying to fuck them over

[deft kiln]

@narrow gulch machine pistol looks kinda funny

Does burst cannon one burst giants with invisible head bug now

[narrow gulch]

It's range is like

Comically bad

[deft kiln]

Wait

[narrow gulch]

But it's dps is pretty high now

1.9x25

[deft kiln]

I think the burst cannon is like 0.5 dmg

Off one burst with invisible head

This is so sad

Can we give the burst cannon 0.1 extra dmg

[narrow gulch]

Wish they'd just revert recoil

[deft kiln]

No

[narrow gulch]

19 damage was perfect

[deft kiln]

0.1 extra dmg

What does 22 dmg even do

[narrow gulch]

Brings back striker kil

Mainly

[deft kiln]

Beside get close to giant head

[narrow gulch]

More damage always good

[deft kiln]

Yeah but you don’t get like anything else

[narrow gulch]

Striker kill is important

[deft kiln]

Yeah

But why bring me so close

Just to blue ball the next break point

[narrow gulch]

The damage per refill is higher than cshotty again

[deft kiln]

Let’s gooo

[narrow gulch]

It mightve gained a boss breakpoint but those aren't significant anymore

[deft kiln]

XD

Snatcher it brings them down to 5 hp

Instead of 25

Idk if this matters

[narrow gulch]

Isn't it also 2 bullet stagger now

Instead of 3

Or is snatcher not 40 stagger

[deft kiln]

Does it get shooter

Head shot

[narrow gulch]

Yes, it did before

[deft kiln]

I think it does?

Well then idk man

[deft kiln]

I think it can one burst hybrid and chicken

If all hit head

Maybe I do math wrong

[narrow gulch]

I cant do calcs rn but probably

Not that that matters either lol

[prisma zodiac]

It only needs 4 hs

and 1 bs

[prisma zodiac]

40 dmg

Snatcher ignores stagger as its own thing

[narrow gulch]

Right

It did get it then

I love snatcher

[deft kiln]

Is their fix for r6b2 boxes

Really just turning the box grab thing around

XD

[narrow gulch]

From what I've heard ye

Truly amazing fix

[deft kiln]

R6b2 is fixed

I am so happy

[narrow gulch]

No unintended consequences

We get more media variety now

It's a diff level instead

Pog

[deft kiln]

Tbh the main problem was that the tile marker in the first place could roll this way

It is a hard thing to fix without just going into the tile and fixing it

[deft kiln]

You wanna know what is worse

Now we are gonna get more backwards boxes in media

[narrow gulch]

But it's more variety now

I'm excited

!

[deft kiln]

No these are the worst posts

[narrow gulch]

Excitement!!!

[half hornet]

When 80% tool in bad box

[pseudo lily]

auto sentry targets body :0
shotgun sentry 👀

[half hornet]

They're thinking about it

[winter wharf]

yeah I would've thought that they'd make shotgun sentry do the same, especially in the same patch

[half hornet]

It's in the pipe. We'll see.

[winter wharf]

but I guess there is some poor soul locked in a closet somewhere forced to read the discourse from this discord and bring it to the devs for changes to be made

a lost little intern, wayward in their closet

[kind swan]

They really want shotgun sentry to be dumb and still miss pellets aiming for the head

[winter wharf]

they sit staring and pointing at their screen

[tough badger]

I will run shotgun sentry forever if they make it aim at the body

[deft kiln]

Target mode changed to aim at sleepers

[daring pilot]

Remember that short period of time when shotgun sentry was shooting the ceiling?

That was fire

We need that back

[tough badger]

I wept

[mossy yoke]

nah nothin like that. we actually thought about changing targeting on other sentries like shotgun or burst but that could have big enough balance implications that we want to do more testing internally and gauge feedback from changing the auto sentry than what the time would have allowed for this patch.

[olive shoal]

So what you’re saying is no one reads the discourse

[winter wharf]

The truth will get out

[olive shoal]

This seems like an absolute win

[mossy yoke]

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ

[olive shoal]

It’s a difficult task…

[prisma zodiac]

how are you answering to them then ha?

[half hornet]

Speaking of which: any more buffs planned for the spear? The recent changes were a great QoL, but it appears it changed nothing on practicality side: all breakpoints are the same and hammer men still laughing all the way home about it.

[mossy yoke]

More buffs for spear could be in the future. Nothing set right now specifically.

[daring pilot]

:)

[half hornet]

Alright. Just reminding.

[tough atlas]

I've always wondered, not directed at you in the specific but

Why not answer "No, not at the moment"

It's the same and it doesn't sound like "more x maybe, maybe not"

[hexed vapor]

The real question is how long we have BC for.

[olive shoal]

forever

As we should

[mossy yoke]

The way you phrased it I read as more of a solid "no, no buffs" but mine is intended that it's possible there could be. because we never know until we actually click the relase button

[daring pilot]

Honestly I just wanna throw in my 2 cents and say I appreciate how much effort y’all have been putting into balancing for the ALT R6 patches

Been super fun to use guns like Smg and Bullpup that I liked but didn’t want to take because they felt inadequate

[half hornet]

Same. All the buffs for the underdogs are greatly appreciated.

[narrow gulch]

Big agree, we may make excessive comments on changes but the changes are appreciated nonetheless

[half hornet]

now we just need to find a way to dethrone that goddamn burst sentry...

[daring pilot]

I saw the first patch notes and felt like the handheld Smg’s and sawed off were left behind, and then boom - both machine pistols and the auto sentry were buffed

It’s nice to see

Even AR got indirectly buffed by PDW getting nerfed IMO

[prisma zodiac]

PDW barely got nerfed

[daring pilot]

Yeah ik

[prisma zodiac]

especially since with HS its "better"

[daring pilot]

needs a little more in my opinion, because statistically it’s just better than AR at almost everything while also having thermals

i think it only has less range

[idle nacelle]

out of curiosity, note that I know very little about the melee weapon balance beyond the obvious, what is different between the hammer and spear now that you can run with the spear while charging?

[half hornet]

Let me

[daring pilot]

The fact that you can’t actually run with spear

Think of it as a light jog

[idle nacelle]

oh so its nerfed run speed then?

[tough atlas]

hammer is arc-hitscan spear I've no idea I think it's a line, spear has more prec multi, with spear you dont run as fast...

Many other stuff

[prisma zodiac]

hammer has higher base dmg (big breakpoint)
higher stagger
actual fast sprint
and better tap hits

Spear has better precision multi (matters vs bosses, hybrids/chickens) and better range

[idle nacelle]

ahhh ok

[half hornet]

Spear:

• range
• weakpoint damage (~30% extra)
• hitbox?

Reduced base bodyshot damage
Reduced stagger
Charging sprint is so slow - you can barely tell

[idle nacelle]

that makes a lot more sense than I could get just from the patch notes, much appreciated

[half hornet]

Stupid discord format...

[daring pilot]

It also has less base damage

[idle nacelle]

might consider becoming a spear main

hammer arc always felt a bit wonky

[half hornet]

It's okay, it's not like you're actually useless anymore...
Unless the level is full of chargers. Lame enemy.

[idle nacelle]

I mean

I am a knife enjoyer

I am actually useless

I will watch with a shotgun as everyone else deals with the giants

[half hornet]

The most important change was lock damage

Old spear needed 100% to break one. Now it's only 60%. Life never been better.

[idle nacelle]

that is nice

here I am needing 2 100%'s lmao

[tough atlas]

There's no spear main

There's hammers, and people who will use hammer eventually

[half hornet]

Lies, I am one

[idle nacelle]

too true

[tough atlas]

Regardless, you'll get used to the hammer, really

[idle nacelle]

I love my london simulater gameplay, but levels filled with chargers and giants and scouts...eehhh no

[tough atlas]

the hammer's arc only fucks up sometimes with shit like low ceiling or if you dont want to jump

Plus you can do cool kills with chargers

[idle nacelle]

it just feels off sometimes, like I can deal with scouts fine with knife but I go to bash it in with a hammer and oops I hit the shoulder

[tough atlas]

get behind charger, turn 180, look at sky, charge, bonk

[idle nacelle]

[tough atlas]

just jump before bonking

[idle nacelle]

I do

and no I dont bonk going up stairs

stairs are the devil

[tough atlas]

pretend he's a thing that you put the basketball

and you're a basket player about to do a slam dunk

[idle nacelle]

yea

like I can do it consistently but sometimes it just doesn't

[tough atlas]

Are you sure you dont wake him up while approaching?

[idle nacelle]

yes

[half hornet]

I had the weirdest occurance with a spear in R6CX... I missed stabbing a scout from above. He was under me, under slight angle of like 30 degrees, I went straight for the head and it just... Didn't.

[idle nacelle]

probably a kind of skill issue or latency or sth

on my end

[tough atlas]

If I had a coin for every time I get orange hitmarker as client on scout but it doesn't die I'd have 5 coins

[idle nacelle]

too much knife use has turned my brain into monke

[half hornet]

So the suffering is universal... Good to know.

[idle nacelle]

whenever I switch to hammer I always just sprint into the first room of the level, wake everything up and realize I'm not using a knife

[tough atlas]

There's a reason why I want to host my lobbies 90% of the times

[real moss]

which luckily doesn't matter as hammer clears the room just as easy

[idle nacelle]

I mean I usually get licked a few extra times

but meh whatever its only hp

20% is where the fun begins anyway

[coarse berry]

def not just as easy

[livid heath]

so sad that R5E1 error giants blood door now dont have tank

[coarse berry]

they killed 'er

[livid heath]

where my boi

[half hornet]

I am sad to announce that HEL Auto Sentry still runs out before Burst

by whole 15%

[prisma zodiac]

this… is expected?

og auto sentry lasted less than burst

and it had more ammo

[half hornet]

I believe it should stay around for longer. That would be the only selling point worth considering.

[deft kiln]

I mean now the selling point in through out

[half hornet]

"this thing does jack shit in a fight, but at least it doesn't run out of ammo"

On a good note: i feel no difference with hel shotgun

[prisma zodiac]

How often ya used it before :>?

[half hornet]

Whenever a level gives me trouble

But yeah, it was fairly long ago

I remember it being fast... And it still is.

I was ready for worse.

[prisma zodiac]

Just for spoilers sake

they only spawn in there

that means 1. you get pauses

2. they slow down since so far away

[deft kiln]

Long ones

Reactor waves will be fucked

[prisma zodiac]

i think its still super tough

but doable

[deft kiln]

But that is fine

[prisma zodiac]

we were thinking of foaming 4th code (no boosters) or even more with

possibly runninf 2-3 foam launchers

[civic ember]

u guys should try this in one of the larger channels and broadcast, i'd watch

[prisma zodiac]

finally a challenge for vets that hasnt been done

[prisma zodiac]

Or ya know

Just stream on twitch

Or post on youtube

[civic ember]

aw but then theirs less commentary and interaction

lol

[prisma zodiac]

i might ask beth n bread + a fourth if they are down once im back from my exam on wednesday

[civic ember]

i don't have the confidence

[deft kiln]

This is

Kinda crazy

Hel rilfe is probs pretty good here

[real moss]

wait what has not been done??

[deft kiln]

R7e1 outdoor skip without bugs

Hasn’t been done

Not even close or attempts

[civic ember]

i mean i can run r7e1 but i'd feel bad if i messed up something like that

[deft kiln]

What are the tools

Weapons

Hel rilfe hel gun one is a must

Some type of boss kill I think

[winter wharf]

just run hcp, probably

[deft kiln]

High cal high cal?

[deft kiln]

Not 4 high cals

[civic ember]

scattergun+shotgun or sniper rifle=instant father death

[prisma zodiac]

bio (for fast respawn zone stealth, 2+ cfoam launcher we presume)

Burst cannons (1-2)

[deft kiln]

burst cannon?

[prisma zodiac]

Might have to kill mom asap

Plus wrecks tanks

and cscouts

[deft kiln]

I think

[civic ember]

i can solo moms with a carbine and high cal

[deft kiln]

Scatter might be a better play

[prisma zodiac]

with the current burst cannon buff?

[deft kiln]

Yeah it opens up a weapon slot

[prisma zodiac]

nah

[deft kiln]

And scatter player will need to kite immortal

100%

[civic ember]

yup

[prisma zodiac]

you cant have someone perma kite pablo that needs to kill tank

[deft kiln]

Who kites tank?

Literally I think you have to solo reactor codes

One person kites tank in charger

One person holds charger trickle

And on person holds the reactor waves

You don’t have a choice I don’t think

[prisma zodiac]

it rly depends on charger trickle feels

and how long you can foam

wed need tests anyway

1 person with efficient anti charger guns (hel rifle prob) and then anti tank/mom stuff rly

[deft kiln]

I don’t think foaming

Is a good idea

You stack reactor waves

Would be so bad

[prisma zodiac]

jish

did you read

you dont randomly foam

[civic ember]

wouldn't they just spawn cap after a few stacks?

[prisma zodiac]

You either perma foam the end to get code then dip

or boosters -> foam way longer

At least thats the idea

untested rn

[deft kiln]

The problem is if you ever drop it

[prisma zodiac]

its gonna be insanely hard anyway

[deft kiln]

You will die most likely

[civic ember]

omg speaking of wave stacking idk why its so hard to convince people to shoot the flyers on r6d2 secondary

ah

[winter wharf]

hang on so I can make sure I'm getting this right, in r7e1 you can start thunderdome and immediately leave, and try complete the level with grandpa and chargers coming for you?

[deft kiln]

I think we should cconsole this a few times

Yeah

[prisma zodiac]

That was my idea yes

[deft kiln]

There is a checkpoint function

[prisma zodiac]

ill be available after wednesday basically

[civic ember]

u should post when you plan on making the attempt if anything comes of it

[deft kiln]

So we can save state a few rounds

[prisma zodiac]

Anyway

just wanted to inform you

since youd probably be interested in the idea

[deft kiln]

Very interesting I fought they spawned two rooms away if they don’t

That is literally amazing for the run

[civic ember]

that two rooms away stuff is a myth

[deft kiln]

It isn’t

[prisma zodiac]

Yup

[civic ember]

how is directly inside my player character 2 rooms away?

[prisma zodiac]

Its one of the locked spawns appearanrly

[civic ember]

xD

[deft kiln]

Because you don’t spawn block the room you are in

[winter wharf]

you have other people away from you

[deft kiln]

So if someone is two rooms away you become a possible spawn location

[civic ember]

lol yeah i actually know what caused that

forgot the map name but 2 pewople have to hammer waves of 3 that are supposed to spawn in the back of a certain room

probably should have reported it

but if u stand in certain spots it actually spawns them ahead where the people trying to sneak are

[tough badger]

wait the door to continue in r7e1 unlocks when you start the thunderdome?

[winter wharf]

r6d3 maybe?

[deft kiln]

Always has

[prisma zodiac]

Yes

[narrow gulch]

wouldnt shooter capping very fast alarm and keeping it the whole level just be easier than anything else for brazil skip?

[tough badger]

incredible, godspeed in your endeavors this sounds funny as hell

[prisma zodiac]

Snooze

just door bug

[deft kiln]

Idk what you would shooter cap on

[prisma zodiac]

Its supposed to be a legit one

[prisma zodiac]

Shoot first alarm but no killing shooters?

[narrow gulch]

fair enough

[deft kiln]

Ah

[civic ember]

i think so

[narrow gulch]

didnt think we cared considering its stupid to begin with but

ok

[deft kiln]

Well it is stupid but the big change is the chargers spawn in that side room even when you are in reactor

Makes it seem possible

[narrow gulch]

thats

really fucking funny actually

why is it that way

[deft kiln]

Yeah makes the route without door bug seem doable

[deft kiln]

No idea

[tough badger]

the dumbest part of r7e1 by far imo is the thunderdome being fixed spawns
but you know what if it allows this clear it's worth it

[wary olive]

R6d3 overload error having bugged spawns that will spawn on the tank room side is a known issue even in the original

[civic ember]

thats exactly what i was talking about

wheat

[deft kiln]

This is why you shoot tank

[civic ember]

i mean ryk*

my bad

[prisma zodiac]

Set spawn similar to r6d3 shadow error alarm i guess?

[deft kiln]

It has to be

[narrow gulch]

yeah it has to be set

but just

WHY

[prisma zodiac]

also, i didnt know until today that that alarm can spawn bbcs

[narrow gulch]

why did they want it to be in that side fully

so badly

that they hard set it

[civic ember]

that sounds like a calle question

[deft kiln]

I think it is because the og intent was you grab res

From the roots adjacent

[narrow gulch]

thats

a crazy intent if that was it

[deft kiln]

It is what I thought

I was suppose to do

Some of the boxes are even in a place you can get to easily

And still scan

[narrow gulch]

oh does it have the thing where the scan extends partially outside

just not on the end they spawn

[deft kiln]

Yeah

[narrow gulch]

huh

funny

[versed frost]

does anyone know what happened to the monster logs in r6? did they remove them? my team couldnt find any of them, and i was wondering if they had just removed them and changed the lore, because the first time, in r6 schaeffer hated the warden, but in alt r6d1 he says its trying to help? and he sounds a lot more sane. did i miss something?

[kind swan]

ALT Lore is different from OG

if you want specifics you're better off asking in #gtfo-lore

[versed frost]

yeah, already on it lol

ty

[still mica]

Help me

[atomic escarp]

no

[still mica]

I’m not strong enough to block my ex

I need pills

[deft kiln]

Literally

Give me your account I will do this for you

Can I be mean

[atomic escarp]

arent you generally a nice person

[fresh bronze]

if we need someone to be mean i can introduce yall to my father

no man will beat disappointment into you harder using words then him

[atomic escarp]

some scolding aint hurt nobody

unless its too applicable

[livid heath]

Bae

You know how to operate on excel?

Need help

[atomic escarp]

never used it

[livid heath]

frick

[half hornet]

Balance implications of shotgun sentry aiming for the body... Are they really saying they are afraid of a making it too good?

The thing missing half the pellet count was an intended feature?

[crisp atlas]

it held narrow chokepoints and ladders surprisingly well xD, just not as consistant as burst with how reliant it is on terrain

[livid heath]

man i need 250 subs and 1k views to become GTFO content creator

[kind swan]

Get that raise first

[tough badger]

Won't let you create an account without 250 followers, won't let you apply without 25+ average viewers lol

[livid heath]

lol

L + true

[tough badger]

What might be funnier is how hard hitting 25 average viewers streaming just GTFO would be lmao

[versed frost]

only 100 subs sadge

[fallow wasp]

Isn’t 25+ average viewers like the upper echelons of streaming in general

Statistically that is

[livid heath]

yes

[nocturne flax]

This only proof that gtfo will continue to gwt updatea

[livid heath]

but

[nocturne flax]

!!

[livid heath]

zenetra streamed GTFO

3k5 viewer peak lol

[deft kiln]

What does it even mean to be a gtfo content creator

[livid heath]

make videos

duh

[deft kiln]

K

[fallow wasp]

Exclusive access to r9

[deft kiln]

XD

[livid heath]

exclusive RXGX gaming

like

[nocturne flax]

Rundow. 9 exclusive

[livid heath]

they literally opening for content creators the exclusive levels

[nocturne flax]

Fomo

[livid heath]

lol

[livid heath]

Fumo

[nocturne flax]

Sugma

[livid heath]

LIGMA

Steve Jobs

[deft kiln]

Are you gonna apply to be a gtfo content creator

You should

Would be funny

[nocturne flax]

HAHAAHAAAA

You wish i could

I aint even gonna try

[deft kiln]

You don’t have the YouTube requirement?

[nocturne flax]

My past doesnt allow me to

[livid heath]

he does

[nocturne flax]

🫡

[deft kiln]

Ah

[livid heath]

but the sussy BD back then hits different

he washed up now

[nocturne flax]

Patrner programs overrated anywaya, i believe in criticsm

[nocturne flax]

Nah i just chill a lot more now

[livid heath]

doesnt that means ur washed up lol (jk dont kill me)

[nocturne flax]

If the partnee program prevents me from saying stuff then i dont want that

[livid heath]

true

throws the N word on intro

Real

[nocturne flax]

Thats not what i mean

If i cannot criticize what i dont like due to some nda i signed and i can only praised then im lying

Its not honest

[livid heath]

trust me i know

it aint ur vid

if u cant go all in on it

[nocturne flax]

My man know everythinf

GODDAM

[livid heath]

Goblin mode

[livid heath]

me and my broke ass 17 subs know

[prisma zodiac]

does it state that anywhere tho?

[livid heath]

no

were just hot guessing

and its hard for BD to not go full BD on the vid he cooks

"GIMME A NEW RUNDOWN GIMME A NEW RUNDOWN"

lol

[nocturne flax]

Not that i can tell

[atomic escarp]

too opinionated smh

[still mica]

Can I find a gf in the complex

At what depth

[versed frost]

just keep listening to the warden

(def not stringing u along)

[deft kiln]

I think that is what we were doing in r7d1

You grow a girlfriend

[pliant pasture]

build a girl workshop

[deft kiln]

Can’t wait for r8 where we build shaffer a non binary Henderson clone for him to finally be able to deal with his separation anxiety

[pliant pasture]

"i know its funny when he screams but he is actually in Extreme Duress"

[wanton horizon]

Does R4D1 have infection fog?

[hexed vapor]

Nope.

[wanton horizon]

Is there a good resource for simple questions like that? Wiki didn't mention fog at all

[deft kiln]

Here pretty much or the data blocks

[wanton horizon]

Data blocks?

[hexed vapor]

Tbh you just have to learn as you go.

[deft kiln]

It is how the game keeps track of everything it is useful in modding and testing the game

[foggy pike]

Does anyone know the level where there are only giants especially at the start?

And I’m not talking about r5c1

[subtle vault]

R2B2

I think

[last gust]

also r7c3

...yes r2b2

honestly the r2 b levels are hazy to me

[foggy pike]

Thank h sooo much

[last gust]

but the one where you push the cells has all bigs at the start for sure

[subtle vault]

Its been awhile since I've played the older rundowns

[last gust]

and I think that's r2b2

[foggy pike]

Thanks guys :3

[deft kiln]

Okay the box change

Is crazy

[hexed vapor]

Wym?

[deft kiln]

Rotating the boxes making

Many not get able

[narrow gulch]

even r1a1 becomes uncompletable sometimes

its really awesome

[deft kiln]

I think it is the worst change

I have ever seen

[hexed vapor]

Oh, did they actually just adjust a probably commonly used marker?

Instead of reorienting the marker itself in that spot?

[deft kiln]

Correct

[winter wharf]

You could still probably open the boxes with the original interact radius

Really not sure why they reduced it for pretty much everything in existence

[kind swan]

Because people kept interacting with those things instead of placing down sentries and mines etc before

Which imo wasn't even that big of a issue back then

It made opening/closing doors more tedious

[half hornet]

Still happens to me occasionally

[tough atlas]

I think I remember reading here that some prompts (ladder) get bigger the more people are near it

#general message

[prisma zodiac]

Thats prompt extension

[still mica]

I need a wife

[atomic escarp]

hola

[pliant pasture]

i actually like that

[fallow wasp]

I wonder how passionate the team is on their newly developing game

I personally would not blame the developers if they’re no longer so passionate about gtfo. The community is ravenous and they’ve basically gone back on half the things they’ve said

Reading old rundowns, adding bots to the game, etc.

[pliant pasture]

oh, they as a company has moved on, passion played its part already. but ya, i don't think they have been passionate about GTFO for a while now

[fallow wasp]

Even if they are mentally checked out, it’s not like they can say that to any of us

[pliant pasture]

Yeah I don't think they're mentally checked out, I think they're passionate about their new game

[nocturne flax]

I may say do not take whatever d0cred said seriously

He woul either shitpost givr misinfo or troll

[livid heath]

real

is this real @mossy yoke ?

[mossy yoke]

@fallow wasp we're very passionate about both, in different ways. I'm passionate about the new project as it's letting me improve and setup things in ways I haven't been able to with GTFO.

But myself and those of us still working in GTFO are also very passionate about it and are testing some new features we've wanted to for a while and now are able to.

Just because there's a new project doesn't mean we can't and don't care about GTFO

[nocturne flax]

Someone have to

[livid heath]

i mean yeah but

aint that just hurtful lol

[nocturne flax]

Truth hurts sometimes

[livid heath]

[fallow wasp]

Thank you for clarification

[still mica]

Tl;dr the devs have no side chicks only mains

[deft kiln]

@broken scarab don’t know if you got a bug report already but you can’t drop cells( or any heavy carry object) on uneven ground anymore. You can’t pick it up #gtfo-media message. #gtfo-media message

Probably has to do with the interact changes that were made

Maybe fov related no idea yet

This was a thing since the initial r 6 launch just had it happen on c3 the second day

[half hornet]

+1 from me - never had such issues prior to recent changes.

[mossy yoke]

Any examples of specific spots you've had issues with? I'm sure there could be many places, but having one place we could go to and place an item down would help us speed up testing and repro.

[half hornet]

Hmmmm

[mossy yoke]

I video would be most helpful

especially knowing level, zone, area/room, and giving a brief look around the room so we can get our bearings

[half hornet]

Do you know a tile where you open a security door and it opens up into a tight T shape paths

Does R1D1 has cells in it

[plush basin]

very start of R6D1, 2nd room on the left on the top of the stairs descending into the fog

[narrow gulch]

No

R1d1 has no cells

[half hornet]

I remember I was with someone... God, what level was that...

[tough atlas]

A level you were with someone

that really helps

[half hornet]

I wanna say R6C3

[tough atlas]

@ArtekFactChecker

[half hornet]

It was some pile of rock

[tough atlas]

PING ARTEK_GTFO_HISTORY

[half hornet]

Thank god for

Also could be R6C2.

Literally pick any level that starts with a bunch of cells and try leaving them on anything that has 30 degrees angle or more

[tough atlas]

r2b2

[hexed vapor]

R6C3 past checkpoint, room to the right, dirt pile on the opposite end of the archway.

[hexed vapor]

You too?

[deft kiln]

Yeah it is a pretty natural place to put the cell when you go to mine the door

[livid heath]

BRO

why is there so much ppl tryna send me friend request

WHAT IS THIS

[deft kiln]

You are really cool and popular and everyone want you to ping them

[narrow gulch]

checks out

[atomic escarp]

saw you on stream yesterday and i thought you looked cool and wanted to play with you

👉 👈

[livid heath]

lol

nah mate

its ppl from random stuff

[atomic escarp]

🥺 👍

[livid heath]

like no server relavance at all

[fresh bronze]

Gtfo devs fixing very small things that make the game less fun instead of letting it just become a feature unlike most studios is a W

[half hornet]

It's called polish and it used to be an industry standard until something happened

[fresh bronze]

Unfortunately the key word is used to be

altho mobile games are likely where the standard started taking a heavy shift

still its nice to see some devs still making games with a decent level of polish

[keen rampart]

Okay i got many Bugs in mind... the game is NOT polished

[fresh bronze]

i feel polish is moreso minor bugs that are easy fixes rather than major things like desync

altho thats just my personal opinion on it

like inaccessible boxes is such a simple but small thing that really just wont show up in any game where the devs wanted polish

[hexed vapor]

If 10CC were better devs, they'd have incorporated Sniper Melee as a game mechanic 😔

[fresh bronze]

10CC aint no kovarex but they atleast put in a bit of polish on the games

[keen rampart]

@fresh bronze i dont mean Desync...

For a small example that is since the beginning of GTFO: Animations from enemy ignore the surroundings. For example a charger that melees forward and goes in a wall

[fresh bronze]

doesnt really effect the gameplay much but yeah id agree

[keen rampart]

@fresh bronze of course it does

[fresh bronze]

but im mostly comparing this games polish to games like shit released by bethesda since 2010

or fucking cyberpunk

game studios with way more funding and capital producing shit that barely functions

The game is far from what id consider a perfect state but most of my complaints are nitpicking like hel revolver being a 6 chamber revolver with 8 bullet capacity or they are major issues that would be extremely tall task to fix

and the devs very clearly are not gonna go the terraria or factorio route and work on the same game for 11 years

[tough badger]

and working employees into the ground to achieve it.
It's comedy, really. A real "everyone loses" kinda deal.

[fresh bronze]

quite literally lmfao

[livid heath]

Woah now

[meager nebula]

at least the devs stuck with cyberpunk and it got fixed

[livid heath]

There is the 2 big cylinder that contains the last 2 shots lol

[fresh bronze]

yeah but because they released it in such a shit state a lot of people never played it and now remember it as the buggiest game released in the past decade

[meager nebula]

i mean i played it for like 200 hours sooooooo

and it did well enough to get the dlc

edgerunners helped that too

[fresh bronze]

i still fucking love the moistcritikal clip of him live streaming where someone ask through super chat "So is this game worth buying" then a fucking car just bugs the fuck out immediatly on queue

[meager nebula]

haha i remember that

[livid heath]

After much update and hot fix

The 2.0 is indeed

The best part of rebalancing and making the game very realistic in alot more aspects than it should now

[fresh bronze]

I wouldnt mind picking it up nowadays I just know better than to buy any new early access game until its been a year or two since release

cant wait for starfield to be a good game in 4 years

[livid heath]

Just a big combat detail like time slow augments doesn’t affect smasher anymore

[fresh bronze]

hopefully the guns dont feel like toys like in fo4

[livid heath]

U really believing bethseda?

[fresh bronze]

fair

[livid heath]

Bro they made doom eternal look bad on ancient gods 2

Not saying thats its bad

But its not even half the hype and anticipated as base game

[meager nebula]

i mean i got a free stadia premiere edition soooooooooo

free chromecast ultra :3

[fresh bronze]

Man i picked up doom eternal before learning what they did mick gordan

fucking love mick gordans soundtracks

but overall i actually find doom eternal to be one of the better bethesda games

[meager nebula]

ye same here

[livid heath]

Mick godarn free man

Do you know where would be a good hiding spot?

[fresh bronze]

yeah no clue how to understand this question

i love some of bethesdas games but they are the peak of unpolished trash once you start to really look at them

i cant even play fo4 without 150+ mods

[livid heath]

Youve never know of half life?

[fresh bronze]

those where features that made half life so goofy and fun

[livid heath]

Checks out

[fresh bronze]

bethesdas lack of polish grinds the game to 30fps on a good rig and annoys the living shit out of me every time i play vanilla

[idle nacelle]

except executives/investors

[deft kiln]

Okay love this idea there is an issue here tho. They broke it for no reason last patch

it was fixed and they decided to break it to fix stupid r6b2 boxes instead of just checking box spawns

When first generating level

[winter wharf]

R3c1 also had some impossible boxes didn't it

Still don't know why the interact range for most stuff in the game is tiny

[deft kiln]

Most storage levels in the game has them

[winter wharf]

no no, I mean before ALT 6 even released

unless that's also what you mean, probably is

might as well clarify though

[mortal portal]

I feel guilty about this. I was the one who suggested the R6B2 fix to Calle lmao

[fresh bronze]

I think the fucking meme song of todd howards saying "it just works" is pretty much spot on for exactly this

[deft kiln]

No you are fine

[deft kiln]

The main issue is they needed to fix the shelf not the box

[idle nacelle]

or that clip from madagascar "there's no sacrifice greater than someone else's"

[kind swan]

[livid heath]

@quiet ridge was R6D3 alarm surge IV right?

[deft kiln]

What

Are you saying

Why ping Dave

[livid heath]

hes clearing it daily

give me a break jish

[deft kiln]

There is no alarm in secondary !

[livid heath]

real?

[half hornet]

I don't remember any

[deft kiln]

Yeah!

[half hornet]

Okay...

The SHUT DOWN reactor was overload or secondary?

Its never fucking clear with these things

[deft kiln]

That is overload

[half hornet]

A-ha

[deft kiln]

Secondary is Id grab

[half hornet]

Which mfk was secondary?

[livid heath]

id grab

[half hornet]

Hm

[eternal dragon]

It’s ID grab

[half hornet]

Yeah i don't remember any alarms at all.

Excluding the ultra secret suprirse alarm if you don't hurry the fuck up

[livid heath]

might be me tripping tho

[quiet ridge]

what class IV surge

[livid heath]

might be me tripping

[quiet ridge]

also do u have to ping me for every question for d3?

there are plenty of other people that know the level

[livid heath]

nah

i was gonna join u to ask

but

if u mind the ping noise then srry

[quiet ridge]

well i have it muted in this server because of someone

dont know who that would be

cough cough

[hexed vapor]

No, it was not a surge.

[livid heath]

just a Class IV?

[quiet ridge]

theres no alarm

at

all

[hexed vapor]

Yeah, do you mean Secondary or Overload?

Overload shutdown is the same as it was before.

[quiet ridge]

Overload is a Class V cluster S scan

[livid heath]

man im trippin

guy told me D3 had surge on

so i figure i dont remember then i ask

[hexed vapor]

Bro, that's not what he meant 💀

[livid heath]

yes ik

still

i was onto a quick answer

[late bloom]

after the 15min timer there is a surge but besides that no surges in the level

[tough atlas]

It's not that Extreme has a surge, it's the end of Main/High which starts a countdown after which a surge starts

Considering that, no matter what, you're going to do Extreme only AFTER basically clearing Main/High, it's easy to misinterpret it as "Extreme has a surge"

[real moss]

turn it off with ovl error.

[tough atlas]

AFAIK you can: 1- Do Overload, finish Main, clear Extreme in 15mins 2- Finish Main, Do Overload, wait at the terminal for the 15mins to pass and punch in the command as soon as the surge begins (stops the surge), then you have endless time to finish Extreme

[real moss]

This won't be accessible to all tho

[tough atlas]

Or you can do some fuckery with not putting the last reactor code for High and finishing Overload, whatever

[tough atlas]

Yeah it's what I did

OG I did extreme in 15mins, ALT I deleted the surge with overload (fucked it up once since I didnt know you need to wait for the actual surge to start).

[lyric knot]

Any strats for 2 player r6d4 error alarm at the end, we can't seem to make any ground with how many sleepers spawn.

[idle nacelle]

cfoam spam

[half hornet]

Literally

[lyric knot]

With 1 cfoam launcher?

[half hornet]

Feed all the tool to him

[idle nacelle]

theres 1 door into your initial room, and you get a 5 or 6 use tool, ideall you foam ALL of the doors you dont need to walk through to get to extraction before starting the surge, then you foam the door in and mine it, then refoam until cell is ready

then you run, shutting and foaming all doors behind you

if you saved doors in first segment you wont have to pull a trigger at all once you get enemies spawning behind you

[lyric knot]

Oh ok I will try this, we had 3 sentries and biotracker last time

[idle nacelle]

ye I recommend bio mine foam burst

foam gets basically all the tool

or bio mine 2 foam tbh

[lyric knot]

The other mission we are struggling with was a b level that had a secondary where doors open around us with a tank, big chargers and hybrids.

I think it was rundown 5

[idle nacelle]

thunderdome ye, just gotta kill big chargers then hybrids then tank prob

[lyric knot]

Is there any setup recommended?

[real moss]

R5B3 pretty fun.

[idle nacelle]

bio mine 2 sentry

imo

[lyric knot]

The bots made it hard because they shoot in bursts for some reason.

[real moss]

You should be able to focus down sides. the you take on the tank.

then you wait for next tank, and next, and next

then you done

[lyric knot]

Last time we were holding the middle area and chargers instantly ran past turrets and overwhelmed us

[idle nacelle]

can't stand ground, may have to yield in a circle

aka kite-ish

like start in one corner, kill everything there, then retreat around the room while the other stuff rushing you gets strung out

[lyric knot]

Wasn't there fog between the corners?

Just run through it?

[idle nacelle]

worse than getting bent over by giant chargers

if it comes to that

[lyric knot]

True

[idle nacelle]

• nothing stopping you from just backing out of the zone and taking longer on the scan, may need to fight an extra tank but if you have enough ammo its prob worth making the scary part less scary

[real moss]

We held middle fine. 2 players each side iirc

Focus fire chargers, then hybrids, then it's only tanks left

[idle nacelle]

ye the tanks are not scary on their own

esp in that room there is lots of cover

[real moss]

Chargers will probably be the scariest thing there

[idle nacelle]

wiped in that room cause somebody in the party died and didn't tell us there were like 3 giant chargers left

happens

fr tho once they are gone it gets more manageable, then cutting down the bullet hell that is hybrids

[random basin]

I am actually curious about whether is Rundown 8.0 continuing with original R7 or with ALT:// timeline

[atomic escarp]

how about both

and do some end game spinaroo

[random basin]

tbh this is a brilliant move from 10cc

since if the game really will add more content

they can just continue on the alternative timeline

the story will end at original R8, they won't lie anyways

but the story still can continue

[atomic escarp]

GTFO 2 confirmed

id like to think they'd continue but cant cope too much

[coarse berry]

if that's the case they should bring back old r6 so the original timeline is actually a cohesive thing

[real moss]

they pretty much confirmed no content updates after R8 tho

[coarse berry]

#gtfo-lore message

"last content for now"

[real moss]

#community-news message

read this and weep

[coarse berry]

"can't promise any new content"

[real moss]

This is basically ah buhbye

[real moss]

read further

[coarse berry]

yeah they're developing cyber heist

[random basin]

Yeah yeah Payday 2077

we can hopium and "Yeah maybe they will come back and do things again"

you can say that's simply hopium

i won't judge

[atomic escarp]

a different timeline of different prisoners 🤔

[coarse berry]

Cyber heist is just the 4 squad trying to make a living after they escape garganta

[random basin]

so The Conduit in the original timeline got presumably killed by Schaeffer for his poor judgement I assume?

in this Alternative universe I assume Schaeffer finally got enough intelligence to talk with him and… got to know all the Xen stuff

[drowsy gulch]

I saw my first ||Shadow Scout! Spooky, tentacle-y boi!||

[jolly perch]

i dont know about the alternate universe

but yeah basically

from what I remember Schaeffer got super scared of it and so just beat it to death because it was talking nonsense

[twin dirge]

the grungus

[winter wharf]

Could hybrids always spawn in the gen cluster alarm in r4c3 extreme/secondary?

Ran it the other day and got a hybrid, and can't remember whether that's normal for the mission

[balmy robin]

Can't remember

There are no Hybrids anywhere in the expedition right ?

Just Chargers, Shadows, normals and Scouts

[winter wharf]

no hybrids in stealth

I have some old footage I'm looking through now

[atomic escarp]

No cluster of hybs in r4c3

[winter wharf]

ok hybrids could always spawn

[balmy robin]

Well, thanks for checking

[atomic escarp]

Never seen em at all in about 20+ attempts

[winter wharf]

they do in fact exist

[atomic escarp]

I must have been really lucky to not have seen a single one

[wary olive]

@atomic escarp you need to be more willing to leave the scan and reposition to clear enemies before trying to finish the scans, you did a good job of that in the last clip, just couldnt clean up

also that 2nd alarm on r2a1 can be pretty difficult, the spawn location is really close

[atomic escarp]

..yeah it sure can be

all of these clips are the first alarm

but if im gonna leave the scan where do i go? I can't outrun sleepers without obstacles

[wary olive]

also a burst sentry in solos can relieve a lot of pressure by thinning out the wave a bit and instead of 9 strikers in your face at once its like 4 or 5 and the rest are trickling in

just fall back a bit so they are more coming from one direction rather than surrounding you

[prisma zodiac]

moving to the side to dodge or a quick run reload and shooting to thin the wave

[tough atlas]

everytime you can jump over a ledge, they need to do the full circle

also you could keep some doors opened to kite around and close them when you need

[winter wharf]

huh, so storage/terminals/whatnot spawn on the edge of the little cubicles/sheds now

instead of inside

odd

[coarse berry]

"fix"

[prisma zodiac]

fixing stuff often changes other things

which sadly means more stuff to fix as a side effect

[winter wharf]

I guess they had to shift the position of boxes on shelves, which has moved stuff in the sheds

[plain spire]

okay interesting thing, on r5d1, upon returning for extraction after doing the secondary and everything, you know that door towards the beginning thats on lockdown? it unlocked and my mate and i were curious so we opened it, during the shadow error alarm which was pretty funny lol, and we peeked inside there wasn't anything too interesting and we couldn't stay for long so we just left, but a snatcher followed us from inside that room towards extraction which was curious. it seems kinda impossible to explore that zone for very long but at the same time im curious about whats in there, does anyone know?

[narrow gulch]

it has a lore log on the terminal

[half hornet]

A terminal with a lore log. That's it.

[narrow gulch]

and 1 of each resource

[plain spire]

BAHAHAHAHA

nice

[half hornet]

Quiet the troll room.

[plain spire]

almost fucking lost my 3 hour run just for that sweet lore

[half hornet]

And people wonder why no one takes the lore seriously.

[plain spire]

funny thing is we didnt even go in there but we still killed the snatcher lmfao

well thats interesting thanks for that nugget of knowledge

[weary spruce]

I think it’s a neat idea to put lore into a difficult to reach spot

But why did they have to pick r5d1? I feel that’s the most grueling level of them all

[atomic escarp]

Ceeeeeeeeeeeb

[livid heath]

Real

Plus true

Plus W

[plain spire]

Very funny toll dev moment

I dont think ill ever play that level again tho lol

[livid heath]

Goofy ahh level with the sneak

[plain spire]

Indeed

My attempt before last i was actually making good time at around an hour and 50 min

But this time it was like 2 and a half hours

Pain

[half hornet]

No one replays that one. Big ergh.

Maybe if you skip secondary and go for main only - it's more or less reasonable. Literally just slightly buffed R1D1. Secondary adds another like 30-40 minutes of gameplay, it's kinda disgusting.

[royal lichen]

respawning shadow scouts. not eager, no 🙂

[fallow wasp]

I was with a group doing the secondary, and we were moving back to do the main but a moonbrain teammate seemed to be trying to get us all killed the entire match

And they succeeded when they mined a door against a single shadow giant, waking up about 7 more

[native lily]

did you not have enough ammo to mag dump them away

[kind swan]

It's a shadow scout. Not a charger scout

read about the scout but not the shadow giant

[toxic forge]

does anyone get the achievement?

[kind swan]

Well. It could be melee'd

[kind swan]

No one has the achievements.

Iirc they're testing them

[toxic forge]

i think so

[tough totem]

people have the achievements

[half hornet]

Probably cheats, or they got them by completely accident somehow

[real moss]

SAM

[real moss]

There is a mod apparently where if you play with it, the chievo's will randomly pop

But no clue if that's true

[fresh bronze]

Yeah steam achievement manager, pretty funny to do it on a game that has testing achievements tho

[young surge]

is there any repository yet for guns and lore data?

[pseudo lily]

the wiki

[young surge]

oh, it is being updated then

[kind swan]

Guns don't have much "Lore"

[atomic escarp]

but you didnt have to cut me off

[kind swan]

Or rather any aside from Manufacturer names/gun stats

[half hornet]

I'm available any time of the day

...almost

[sage solstice]

I'm available on my days off and after work

[plush basin]

I'm available Wednesdays, every other Tuesday, and weekends

[sage solstice]

only day we got in common is Wednesday XD

[livid heath]

real Brit

[idle nacelle]

the blessed day

[atomic escarp]

what the hell am i supposed to type in the terminal of r7a1

i've tried every variation of "Reycle Group 7a42"

[plush basin]

Its the terminal in the side zone, not the one in the first zone

[atomic escarp]

the fuck

he says "there's a terminal right by you"

[plush basin]

Yeah John is a troll

[atomic escarp]

r7a1 seems easy

i like it

diminished alarm too!

this is epic

[half hornet]

Its my little comfort level when i want to shoot things

I love the big pillar room. They should use it more often, always fun times.

I wonder if i can bot solo R6C3 main only...

[atomic escarp]

this was great!

i beat this first try

i can't believe i saw a diminished alarm outside of training lol

that was the first time i've seen that

[half hornet]

You played R6 right? fairly certain is has some of those as well

[atomic escarp]

i haven't really no

[prisma zodiac]

he did d2

[atomic escarp]

memory loss

also i did it with you so that doesn't count

[prisma zodiac]

wha

[livid heath]

the loss of memory

[narrow gulch]

one day, you will carry ppl through r2d2

[atomic escarp]

by de wei

r7a1 extraction alarm was simple

is r3a1's extraction alarm equally simple

both are "revive da baby" missions

[hexed vapor]

Don't believe so, for various reasons.

But it's not hard.

[atomic escarp]

apart from the 2 hybrids at the start

[prisma zodiac]

r3a1 is more challenging

but not by much

biggest issue imo is that r3a1 splits enemies vs r7 funneling them

[fallow wasp]

R8 will introduce awakened scouts as a regular enemy in waves

Essentially half giant shooters

[half hornet]

Sauce?

[fallow wasp]

It came to me in a dream

[dry whale]

[half hornet]

I mean, I wouldn't mind it.

Definetely would spice up the gameplay.

[dry whale]

shadow tanks

[half hornet]

Not happening. Unless it's Pablo.

Snatchers, however...

[dry whale]

nightmare fuel right there

[half hornet]

Truly. I honestly not even against the idea anymore, now that I know that it's only front that is armored.

[solemn wigeon]

When are we getting tentacles in the ground that attack you

[dark rover]

Just see a shadow drag your friend into the darkened

[half hornet]

shivers

[atomic escarp]

half life tentacles

[kind swan]

Like in dead space? When?????

I NEED IT NOW

[solemn wigeon]

I* was thinking more doom

[kind swan]

Gtfo trailer'd

Tentacle around the corner

[lyric knot]

Does anyone know if you can one shot charger scouts with steroids boosters?

[atomic escarp]

yes if you hit them from behind

[lyric knot]

Do you need all 3 steroid boosters?

[atomic escarp]

just total of 51%

[lyric knot]

Ah ok ill try that. I have been stockpiling steroids for r7c3

[atomic escarp]

good luck

[lyric knot]

Yeah thanks ill need it, the overload is usually what ends my run but it would be nice to fly through the melee only section.

Also, I've been meaning to ask the community what they think are the hardest missions outside of E-tiers.

For me personally the end of r6d4 has been extremely difficult.

[atomic escarp]

id say that r4d2pe gave me the most headache

r4c3 close 2nd

and r6d3

getting through the rax is tough

sneaking with bots not optimal most of the time the tanks wake up

[real moss]

R4C3PE

[idle nacelle]

I've been struggling with R4C3 and R5C3, didnt find r6d4 too bad 'cause I knew what was up going into it and prepared accordingly

[tough atlas]

Though question

But yeah R4C3 PE is a good candidate

Maybe R5D1 Extreme qualifies too

Yeah personally I think it's R5D1 Extreme

heck I'd consider that harder than R2E1

[half hornet]

Can confirm those two. One is just very brute-force and the other is... It wins by being very long while also having actually dangerous stealth zones. So you're given like 50 opportunities to make the wrong step and suffer heavily for it, not just wake up some 10-15 smalls.

R4D2 and R5D2 are rough in their own rights. People don't really seem to respect R4D2 much, but I had pretty bad luck with it.
R5D2 is short and fun in its own way, but damn is it mean.

I much unfortunately forgot what R4D1 and R5D1 were... One of them was a reactor with a very short and fun secondary, but I don't remember which one.

[plush basin]

That's r4d1

[half hornet]

Then what was R5D1

Oh right.

[atomic escarp]

your favorite lvl

[half hornet]

I'm actually going senile right now.

[atomic escarp]

im happy for you

[half hornet]

TL:DR
D stands for Hard for a reason.
Unless it's R1, 2, 3 or 6

[atomic escarp]

not even 7 ?

[half hornet]

Eh... R7D1 is a quirky one, and D2 I imagine is very hard to beat blind on the first try without knowing what's going to be the game so to speak.
This reminds me that I've never beaten R7D1 proper. Never turned charger scan from X to V because everyone kept wiping on the terminal hunt.

[atomic escarp]

turning that to V is lame

X is soo much more fun

[half hornet]

You just transfer the "fun" into the terminal hunt.

I've never even seen this mythical terminal.

[atomic escarp]

its an entire journey

find door need key go this other zone get key has mom n tank sneak out get key some charger scouts n big rooms terminal found yay

[half hornet]

There are mothers and tanks now?

[atomic escarp]

1 of each

always been there

in the key zone

[half hornet]

From what I remember the terminal hunt for that X>V is just empty zones after empty zones, unless my memory is just that foggy.

[atomic escarp]

should trigger that one its great except when u wipe

[half hornet]

Empty zone after empty zone with an error on your tail.

[atomic escarp]

no thats error to open the class X shadow alarm

[half hornet]

Ah. Lovely.

So I skipped both then!