gtfo-spoiler-chat

[sharp merlin]

I thought you said it went from like 50 to 300 colliders

[turbid cliff]

But that's not damage

That's how much shit it can hit

Damage on any single enemy is unchanged afaik

[sharp merlin]

Ah yeah, I suppose it is misleading to call damage

What’s like a good term to gauge the changes to mines

Increased “penetration”?

[turbid cliff]

That's one option

Maybe hit count

Enemy limit although that's not accurate

[umbral sundial]

109775242203830142

[real moss]

still not the right one 👍

[orchid oasis]

WHAT are the suprise boxes in D1

anyone know what they are?

[queen field]

Placeholders for things that're supposed to spawn but aren't for some reason

Just ignore them

[orchid oasis]

kk thanks

[turbid egret]

Surprise mechanic. Gotta pay to find out the surprise

[kind swan]

I unironically have an emote of your pfp lol

Same image but coincidence

Flipped*

[orchid oasis]

wtf

[kind swan]

Coincidence

[torn sundial]

Will a choke mod shot to the back of the head kill a charger scout?

[fierce laurel]

chargers have no head multiplier

and no

instead spam 3 shots into the charger scout from the front

or 2 into the back

[nocturne flax]

hol up

charger scout health its 60

[fierce laurel]

the choke mod shoots so fast you'll be able to burst it before it go woooo

[torn sundial]

You were wrong. He did it

[fierce laurel]

wat

but chargers have no head multiplier

[nocturne flax]

you dont need to 2 shot with choke

1 back shot should kill it

[fierce laurel]

oh

it's not consistent though

[nocturne flax]

yeah it does 30.something something

[fierce laurel]

too much room for err

2 shots is the go to

[nocturne flax]

the only error its from the player

unless client

then you just living normal gtfo live

[fierce laurel]

client is in fact most of the lobby

[torn sundial]

What's the secret for the HSU room in D1? we just got there

[fierce laurel]

secret?

what do you mean

[kind swan]

It's 2 to the front and 1 to the back

[fierce laurel]

it's inconsistent though

[kind swan]

But considering the shotgun bug itd be safer that way you stated

[fierce laurel]

so one extra shot just to be sure

[kind swan]

Ye

[fierce laurel]

one extra bullet isn't that bad anyway

[kind swan]

Idk the shotgun bug was very visible before the first patch in my experience

Shooting a shooter point blank and it survives a pump shotgun shot with a hole in its torso

[fierce laurel]

shooter moment

[kind swan]

[fierce laurel]

I want that emote

gib

[kind swan]

[fierce laurel]

I want to eat corn and cri too

[kind swan]

Bread

[fierce laurel]

[strange junco]

the one that you put the baby in?

[torn sundial]

Ye. It's pretty simple from what we can tell, but as soon as we started our host crashed. Couldn't find the first terminal that it called for

[strange junco]

ok so

[devout river]

You enter a command on the terminal it tells you to

But make sure someone stays by the main terminal

[strange junco]

you have to find and note down the terminal numbers

the terminals from the pool will be in the room to your left and right, as well as the terminals in the same room

[torn sundial]

Yes. That's why I said it seems pretty simple. The command called for a 285 and I'm running around trying to find it while we wait for the game to select a new host

[torn sundial]

Ah okay

[strange junco]

so you will have to clear out the adjacent rooms to note down terminal numbers too

or just pray the game only picks the terminal in the center room

[torn sundial]

Bet

[strange junco]

the game may or may not pick the same terminal more than once so

[devout river]

I got the same terminal in the center room 3 times on my run

[strange junco]

yeah the terminal just boils down to rng

if it requires you to run far from the center have 2 people push the term and another 2 guard the main term for confirmation

[devout river]

Yeah entering the verification command on the terminal it tells you to will start a 15 second timer to enter a confirm command on the main terminal

[torn sundial]

Is it possible for the game to just be fucked and not select a new host?

[devout river]

Probably

The game is buggy

[strange junco]

host migration bug?

yeah the run might be done for if host migration doesnt work

[torn sundial]

Welp

That's a hour or 2 down the drain

[verbal yarrow]

question, since ive done d2, but e1 isn't unlocked, i did some digging
apparently i need to help others to do d2 to unlock e1, but how many times?
i've helped 2 friends on 2 different runs, even tho i didn't extract myself cuz i drop dead before the end
e1 is not unlocked for me, do i need to extract too? or its some bug, or simply my dumbass forgot smth

[tame cloak]

You need 9/10 main sector completions

[verbal yarrow]

wait rly?

[tame cloak]

yes, Story (gold) missions are not enough to unlock E1

[verbal yarrow]

guess i'll die some more

[rocky marsh]

just finished e1

holy fuck

what a level

20+ attempts?

[coarse echo]

20 attempts?!?!?!!??! LOL!!! Now do it SOUNDLESS XDDDDD

[atomic escarp]

YOU SHOULD IT SOUNDLESS

IT'S A REAL CHALLENGE :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[coarse echo]

honestly all of you guys are nothing compared to me. I soloed soundless and i won them and you guys probably cannot do it please validate my ego i need it thanks

[atomic escarp]

i soloed most expeditions soundless

[coarse echo]

see you did MOST

not all

i did ALL

i am BETTER than u

[atomic escarp]

despite having bots doing like 90% of the shooting for me

i'm better than 99% of the playerbase

simply because i did it soundless

[coarse echo]

ok in all seriousness how much does sound affect the game in a PvE game

[atomic escarp]

you're clearly not playing the superior and riveting soundless version

[coarse echo]

like in a PvP yeah i can understand the importance of sound

but when im playing gtfo with music i can barely hear the game

[atomic escarp]

it's clearly really essential despite still having sight and bio tracker

which mitigates the importance of sound

[coarse echo]

so what % of disadvantage do you think not having sound gives me

[atomic escarp]

ask mr deaf professional gamer

[coarse echo]

@hallow lark How much disadvantage is it when you dont have sound vs when you do

[atomic escarp]

i don't play soundless so i do not understand the superiority complex

[coarse echo]

Well think about it this way

if its a 10% disadvantage

that makes me 109.9% percentile of the playerbase bc 99.9+10=109.9

[atomic escarp]

I always play without music because I think it ruins the atmosphere a bit

it's even funnier because pulse can indicate whether or not a wave is truly cleared or not

[prisma zodiac]

...

[coarse echo]

Ok Flopper you are not as good as I am

[atomic escarp]

?

sorry you're clearly better than me

i play for gameplay

I saw you talking about sound/music and gave my thoughts

not for atmosphere or immersion

nothing else

:(((((((((((((((((

[coarse echo]

Flopper hahaha try play SOUNDLESS it adds a lot of CHALLENGE haha

[atomic escarp]

brb learning how to replace ingame music with something from payday the heist

because every new combat music is unironically a downgrade of the previous one

sorry simon

[prisma zodiac]

ingame music or self set music?

[atomic escarp]

Despite the fact that I like Viklund's stuff on Payday, no ingame music

[prisma zodiac]

i feel like some music sets atmosphere while other kind of breaks it
Combat music in gtfo is 50/50 for me (if it goes for pure setting)

some other games have "music" thats legit insane tho

hollow knight be like

[coarse echo]

can you guys please stay on topic of what we were talking about which is how much of a god i am at this game

thanks

[atomic escarp]

You know what I'd like? More ambient noises

[prisma zodiac]

@atomic escarp agree

stuff like dripping water is just sick if well used

[atomic escarp]

ok but did you play the game with a steering wheel mr robert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3LVT5e_3FE

this guy is truly better than the entire playerbase

i'm sorry

[coarse echo]

LOL

LOL

LOL

this is so fucking epic holy fuck

and yes he is better than everyone tbh

[atomic escarp]

you need to prove yourself by soloing r4b3pe with a steering wheel

[coarse echo]

ok be honest=

if i did that

how much respect would u have

to note, that r4b3 pe solo clear i did was just ego checking to see if I can hold S1 scans solo

[atomic escarp]

i will also do the b3pe solo with no kiting on ovl

[coarse echo]

I'd be absolutely impressed.

It took so many tries brother

: (

[atomic escarp]

then i will print out the completion screen and hold it when i cosplay as hackett on the next next anicon

[silent kettle]

the blood door one is fucking brutal

[atomic escarp]

i believe

[hard horizon]

Is the solid booster mute still there or its removed?

Actually nvm im wrong

[hallow lark]

Well… it comes down to experience of playing this game. My friends who tried it have said it is a little rough because you cannot hear the sounds of the mobs during stealth but other than that, if you have played ALOT, then that soundless difficulty would be watered down heavily. It’s a slow and steady process tho.

Shadows in R6 are absolute hell tho.

[hallow lark]

Although… that ego… would destroy you. I learned that the hard way lol. Playing without sounds is also a whole hell of a lot harder in terms of communications (I never VC nor used my artificial hearing for this game)

So it just requires more teamwork and such to cover that disadvantage as well as having a specific playbook to operate based on ever-changing frameworks

[coarse echo]

dude u really didnt have to write an essay to answer that

[hallow lark]

My bad. It’s just how I am

[strange junco]

i play gtfo how i want tbf

came to enjoy not to stroke ego

[hallow lark]

BRB guys

Anyways, how’s everyone doing?

[hexed vapor]

Just woke up

[mental saddle]

i play for neuron activation when I see that 'expedition survived' screen

[bold widget]

neuron deactivation when triggering scouts

[prisma zodiac]

dunno what kind of essays are that short tbh, so dw lol

[coarse echo]

clearly hes never heard of a metaphor

[hexed vapor]

It's okay Robert, I see that everything you say is poetry.

[prisma zodiac]

clearly youve never heard of irony
or reading comprehension , but dw

[coarse echo]

yeeeeaaaaah to play that off as irony ok

[kind swan]

[prisma zodiac]

oh sorry. I know reading between the lines (or at all) can be hard , but dw

[slim edge]

if thats an essay what do you call the gtfo script? 600 books?

[coarse echo]

did u really have to tag me for that

[mortal portal]

What did I miss

[atomic escarp]

Not much

[mortal portal]

Welp, in that case I'll go back to drinking my strawberry milk

[atomic escarp]

Can i have some

[kind swan]

The tragedy of finding out I'm lactose intolerant to some degree because I drank some strawberry milk

[knotty barn]

alright we just unlocked E1 .... what the fuck xD

don't give to much tips, but is running laps a good strat? xD

[past lava]

Is there a big mother in this rundown?

[wary olive]

yes

[past lava]

The rumors were true..

[knotty barn]

yeah and she can sit right at a door you open. Was a pretty nasty surprise xD

[past lava]

Damn lol

[dusty junco]

Guys where is zone 233?

The bulkhead key is there but we just cannot freakin find it

[velvet flower]

It's in the secondary

On your map, actually very close to your cursor, it's like south/west a little bit from your cursor.

[obtuse surge]

every night i dream about doing the naughty with robert (kiting)

[bold widget]

😩

[worldly cargo]

😳

[hard horizon]

Imagine mapping resource locker also.

[atomic escarp]

if you could permanently make icons on map to remember where stuff are

😩

[bold widget]

just use a marker and draw on the desktop itself

[atomic escarp]

[kind swan]

You mean other people dont have other monitors with maps drawn on them??

[atomic escarp]

robert i did the first s1

then i died on the second

[atomic escarp]

Not everyone can afford 2 4k monitors

[echo geyser]

Only have single monitor, but considering buying a second hand 1080p monitor since quality would hardly matter just to have some GUI or something on the side

[sharp merlin]

what level Mr?

[real moss]

Work more.

[atomic escarp]

Cant find a job to Begin with

[kind swan]

who said only 2

[kind swan]

also pain

[atomic escarp]

[bold widget]

😱

[real moss]

Wait the game has a map?

[bold widget]

you have to type in open_map at terminal

[real moss]

Omg Thank you

[bold widget]

[atomic escarp]

The game has terminals?

[coarse echo]

thats honestly impressive brother

[visual gust]

this whole time i've memorized A1 And B1, i just can't beat B1 with just bots. now i discover the map lol.

[kind swan]

B1 becomes pretty easy with good setup of tools

But also I suppose bots aren't the best with scans

Nor dealing with swarms

[half hornet]

B1 is lmao

Bring 3 sniper sentries and a bio tracker

Then just do the scan all by yourself while sentries keep shit dead and quiet

[fallow wasp]

Did we get survival statistics for r6?

[real moss]

Good, another rundown and you will also be craving those PE completions

[high wind]

R5 survival statistics took 6 months to be "calculated" after R6 was released. Likely, it will be a long while until we get R6 survival statistics. Since how "busy" the "devs" are "working"

[fierce laurel]

[kind swan]

Working?

What's that?

[slim edge]

something the devs dont seem to do

[coarse echo]

You should probably delete that before they see it and mute you, they get very emotional about things like that

[half hornet]

I actually enjoy that level.
My 2 main criticisms are cringe performance (crashes included) and horrible map design. Goddamn vertical labyrinth.

[real moss]

B1 is pretty neat, my favorite is still D2 or C3PE

[tame cloak]

I like the map design

[slim edge]

not gonna delete the truth from what we see in bug fixes

[tame cloak]

even tho yeah some rooms are.. weird, like why would humans want to navigate in some of the rooms

But i like verticality

[slim edge]

its obviously to counter espionage

[fierce laurel]

wao didn't even balance ammo

[wary olive]

You have unread discord messages

[cinder idol]

I have 4k unread discord messages 😂

I just realized

[sour snow]

C3

[fierce laurel]

did I stutter

[fallow wasp]

Damn not a single bullet left?

That ammo use is CRAZY

[sour snow]

damn I wish I could pay Voxelize to carry my account

[deft kiln]

you can

[astral ferry]

that's it, you're going on the shitlist

[deft kiln]

oof heard once your on the list he doesn't take you off of it

[sour snow]

[young zodiac]

Aye anyone know when the rundown resets? Just curious because I started playing again and wanna get the mask

[hot flame]

Not yet announced. Generally will be announced a few weeks before it happens.

[young zodiac]

Oh ok thank you very much

[hot flame]

There was just over 6 months between R6 and R7. Likely you'll see an R7.0://EXT in October and rundown 8 in december ish

[young zodiac]

ok so I got plenty of time

[hot flame]

You almost certainly have a very long time

[atomic moat]

thank god becasue me and tub are struggling to keep our sanity

[hot flame]

You can take your time, and if you're struggling with a particular mission you can always ask. Careful of this channel though. As the name #gtfo-spoiler-chat suggest, things in here can/will spoil missions you've yet to complete

[brisk jetty]

for D1 is there a second bulkhead key if you do side objective

we've looked everywhere and haven't seen it but apparently there is one since we found a video where people found the second key

[tame cloak]

You have to do the command

there used to be a key but devs realized it was an oversight as you could do the map after using the key and then do the command on the terminal

[brisk jetty]

so after doing the command u permanently have the taker dudes after you every so often?

is there a way to stop them from coming

[tame cloak]

it's the point of the overload objective, you get harassed every x minutes and you have to deal with that for the rest of the level

tho there is a bug after checkpoint respawn where they (might) stop comming

[brisk jetty]

ok thanks

is it worth doing then?

[tame cloak]

If you want to have the Overload completion yes

and/or if you want the cosmetic drops

[brisk jetty]

but otherwise its harder overall?

[tame cloak]

if you just want to finish the level don't bother too much

Yes

[brisk jetty]

okok thanks so much

we been struggling

[bold widget]

@tame cloak how many snatchers did you have

[tame cloak]

1, we made sure to disconnect before the host put the command in

[brisk jetty]

woah thats kinda smart

[tame cloak]

I meant 1 per wave

[brisk jetty]

yeah ik but still smart

[tame cloak]

there is another bug that might multiply the number of spawns per wave

alright

[brisk jetty]

dam,n

[bold widget]

it's not D1 if it hasn't 4 snatchers

[light lagoon]

Then there's just Snatcher stuff like one of our guys getting grabbed and pulled into limbo and having to quit out to fix it (though hey, atleast that worked ).

[bold widget]

it's even better if it happened to the host

[light lagoon]

Thankfully it did not.

We already experienced him getting DC'd during a B3 PE Run that completely fucked the run since everything stopped working and when he tried to rejoin it kicked the rest of us out.

[obtuse surge]

its never worth it to play D1

[west crow]

D1 speedrun event $500 in cash rewards gtfo store

Maybe think before you say something next time

[eternal dragon]

Door Cheese %

[lavish pagoda]

Jeez this rundown’s B1 is pretty grueling for a B1. Last rundown’s B1 had like one or two scouts but this one has a bunch. Made like 5 runs at it last night with a random team but they were all pretty fresh (all their first or second time playing the game) so i ended up just calling it a night after the fifth fail at the extract scan. Nice to see that the rundowns are getting tougher though

[tame cloak]

Oh you're gonna love the end of B2

[lavish pagoda]

All I need is my old team back together. If I can get them back online we’ll be crushing it till D floor

[kind swan]

Technically. You deal with the same amount of scouts.

[daring pilot]

Post-nerf, before it had more scouts I believe

[kind swan]

Well technically 1 more than R6B1 did but yee

Forgot case zone has 2

And ye

I was wondering why B1 felt off from when I first cleared compared to now

[daring pilot]

1 key, 2/1 post key zone, 2 in case zone

[wary olive]

TFW you finish an alarm and there's a scout on the other side of the door

😩

[daring pilot]

Yeah technically 6/5 overall if you counted both key zones

[kind swan]

When swarm isnt dealt with yet and the newbie opens the door immediately

[kind swan]

5

R6B1 had 4

[daring pilot]

Pre/post nerf

[kind swan]

Post

[wary olive]

TFW you charge to kill a sleeping enemy but then he starts glowing right then

😩

[daring pilot]

Yeah thats what the 6/5 was

Man the R7C1 scout zone is so much scarier than the R6C1 one

[kind swan]

Wasnt it that the first key door zone's b4 cp has 2 ?

But now has 1

[daring pilot]

No, the zone after key door had 2

Now it’s one

[kind swan]

That's what I meant but rip grammar

[daring pilot]

Ic ic

Man R6 does seem very tame to me now

Contaminant with infection and blood doors, meanwhile Dense pulls shadows and steve’s out

[ivory sundial]

R6 was more solo friendly though, now the harder levels are just solo kite.

[slim edge]

500$? god i wouldnt even attempt a speedrun for that little of money lol

i am just glad we have no case of r5b1 extreme in this rundown.... no scout spawn that can be right behind blood doors

[kind swan]

Steve? The dog?

[daring pilot]

I call big shadow steve

[kind swan]

Ah

[daring pilot]

I like being able to differentiate between regulars and bigs in a situation where the word “big” getting cut out by discord can end a run

Also I just like them to all have unique names

:3

[kind swan]

Shitting shadow frank
Limp shadow Frank are funny

They refuse to be like normal praying frank

[daring pilot]

They’re power stancing

[kind swan]

Ngl seeing their actual models in those stances with thermals is fuckin funny

[hallow lark]

When I first saw what shadows are like… I was so surprised… I laughed a bit when I realized that shadow scout heads are much larger than normal

[bold widget]

how much ammo can the HCP hold max compared to regular revolver ?

[tame cloak]

29 shots

so 6/23 when full and reloaded

idk about the revolver

[bold widget]

time to drop into D2 and check

[atomic escarp]

6/46 iirc

[bold widget]

yes

[coarse echo]

Solace try seeing shadows soundless XD

[hallow lark]

It’s not that lmao XD. It’s more of stealthing them

They’re very difficult for me cuz they’re sensitive to light and because of that, I cannot determine their listening/pulsing state

[coarse echo]

XDDDDDDDXDXDDD EMOTICON

[atomic escarp]

Peekaboo state?

[hallow lark]

Um… you can try and experience it yourself. Especially when it comes to darkrooms

Nothing but Bio to know their locations and nothing but light to “see” or peek their state.

But to get closer…. You need to find something or use thermal

[atomic escarp]

I have yet to try soundless

[hallow lark]

(R6 was utter hell….)

Vs shadows tho

[hallow lark]

You can try B2 with Shadow Secondary

[atomic escarp]

B2 boring tho 🥲

[hallow lark]

But it has stationary shadows…. So you can experience it

It may be boring but there’s always something to learn there…

[atomic escarp]

For you ill do it when my pc stops acting up

[hallow lark]

You don’t need to you know that right?

[atomic escarp]

Yeah

[rigid magnet]

Question, how do you get rid of the tentacles that cover up your screen?

2 of us where able to get rid of them but didnt know how it happened and 2 of us couldnt get rid of them at all

[half hornet]

Explain?

[atomic escarp]

if you're talking about the snatcher related one

[half hornet]

Like remove the visuals? or get out from the belly?

[atomic escarp]

you have to be resnatched again

or leave and rejoin the game

it's very stupid yes

[half hornet]

Are we talking about some kind of a bug?

[rigid magnet]

I have no idea what its called, its in C1 at the end

[rigid magnet]

Well we were still able to shoot and move around but our screen was just covered with tentacles

[atomic escarp]

you have to be resnatched x2

[rigid magnet]

meaning?

we have to let them hit us again?

[atomic escarp]

you have to let the snatcher grab you again

[rigid magnet]

wtf

so killing it is not a good idea?

[atomic escarp]

it's a bug where if you staggered the snatcher while it's doing the snatching anim

[rigid magnet]

wow... thats bull 😂

[atomic escarp]

the person who should have been snatched will keep the visuals while not get snatched

[rigid magnet]

so if you get snatched, you shouldnt be able to do stuff?

[atomic escarp]

getting snatched removes the ability to do stuff yes

and moves you somewhere else part of the map

it's the punishment for failing to stagger/kill the enemy in time

[rigid magnet]

alright, thanks for your help 👍

[obtuse cedar]

It can happen normally too even if no one shoot at the snatcher. It's a chance of happening no matter what...

I had it happened to me last night where i was completely alone (3 rooms away from the whole team)
Got snatch (never shot a single bullet to it)
Get stuck with the visual bug still

The enemy is just broken 🤷‍♂️

I also know that sometime he can deal 100% dmg in one snatch for some ungodly reason

[wary olive]

I've been meleed by giant before while I'm still snatched

[obtuse cedar]

The enemy is legit just broken

[mossy marsh]

Just kite it

[obtuse cedar]

You can be on the top floor out of 3 floors and he can grab you from the bottom floor stairs. XD

[mossy marsh]

Skill Tissue

[obtuse cedar]

The number of broken things i have seen by dancing with them a lot is stupid. I stopped counting a while ago

[sour snow]

it has been 3 minutes

[half hornet]

el buggo

love me some buggo

[hexed elm]

I got snatched and was sent out of the map

[wary olive]

damn people really do be trying to door bug d2 now in lfg...

[bold widget]

what door do you want to bug even isnt it all sec doors?

[wary olive]

the doors right outside extract elevator

want to play pacifist extract run i guess

[bold widget]

lol what about top door had them sometimes come from there

[strange junco]

why remove the complete ecstasy of blowing sleeper heads to bits

[bold widget]

i want my burst cannon this level would be twice as fun with it

[wary olive]

guy tried to do both doors, middle and top

but i think he failed them lol

[bold widget]

kek

[real moss]

That's just pathetic

[wary olive]

why is it so prevalent now, is it the E1 solos?

[hexed vapor]

Probably the same reason kiting became prevalent R4-R5.

Somebody willing to share learned of it, and started spreading it around PuGs.

And now the secret is out.

[atomic escarp]

man says e1 solos

instead of the e1 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""speedrun"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

[atomic escarp]

honestly quite incredible

if only bug hunters are willing to test the new enemy for devs to patch it.......

[turbid cliff]

I thought there was a bug where he causes you fall damage

Not 100% but wouldn't that be the one

[atomic escarp]

tfw in dimension but still gets tongued and smacked

[turbid cliff]

And friendly fired

[atomic escarp]

tfw fixed a """"bug"""" where exiting dimension revives the player

[turbid cliff]

Even funnier if shot by a sniper sentry while snatched

[atomic escarp]

honestly quite incredible

speaking of which, what makes the snatcher strafe/intimidated

what sgx said, was basically the snatcher does a little strafe while doing the attack anim

so you still get the screen effect bug

[turbid cliff]

It should be stuck in animation state even if that was somehow possible, i doubt that's it

[atomic escarp]

i had it before and it was always as client

i don't think i ever have it as host

[turbid cliff]

Yeah I don't talk client

It's like the dream theory, throw all logic out the window

[atomic escarp]

client is indeed quite a magically buggy journey

[wary olive]

speedrun by which group?

[atomic escarp]

gee i wonder who is actively speedrunning the lawless category in e1

[wary olive]

who is it?

[turbid cliff]

🤔 if the category is literally called lawless I don't know what you expect

[atomic escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/pings-off-reply-pings-off-reply-ping-discord-reply-ping-gif-22087396

also obligatory post

[turbid cliff]

And I'm obligated to do this now

[atomic escarp]

commit e1 wipe

[turbid cliff]

I haven't even cleared C1 this rundown

We played R7 literally twice

[wary olive]

Is this what it's like when your bed only has wrong sides for you to wake up on? 🛏️

[prisma zodiac]

i mean youd have to understand speedrunning to expect something
Or maybe they think any% in other games is also only a """""""""""""""""""""""""speedrun"""""""""""""""""""""""""""

[atomic escarp]

tfw i only mentioned the e1 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""speedrun"""""""""""""""""""""""""" because it's one of the factors that made doorcheesing so prevalent nowadays but people keep thinking something else

[prisma zodiac]

i mean people spamming doors cheese in normal runs are idiots
If it gets fixed so be it. Its certainly not a high priority usually

Tho id also argue that it specifically making it prevelant is a bit eh, hasnt the video only been posted like 2 days ago? Was it that quick?

[atomic escarp]

.

[prisma zodiac]

i mean i heard of a pub wanting to do that before the video

[atomic escarp]

damn almost like i said it's one of the factor

instead of "the determinant factor"

[prisma zodiac]

true

[bold widget]

most of them can't get far enough

[turbid cliff]

Not that i care much but it's almost like originally you implied it and only then retconned it as one of the factors

And if it is only "one of the factors" why focus

[prisma zodiac]

also doing all the quotation marks seriously just makes it look like you implied that its not a real speedrun lol

[obtuse surge]

im glad i contributed to it by posting a video about it

[atomic escarp]

why do people reply

[obtuse surge]

shift click the reply button ⚠️

[atomic escarp]

🗿

[obtuse cedar]

Fall dmg has a cap of 60% that can't be that.

[turbid cliff]

fall damage 2 frames in a row kekw

[bold widget]

did you post it in media i cant seem to find it

[turbid cliff]

ok i see that exists now thanks

[turbid cliff]

the reply function exists to be used

[kind swan]

Yes it does

[atomic escarp]

the function exists to be used, but it's the user's choice to reply a message

similarly the bug exists because the developers are too monke brain to fix it

but it's the player's choice to use it

[mossy marsh]

[atomic escarp]

similarly, the alleviation for sniper melee does exist and works fairly well

but it's the developer's choice whether or not to consider implementing it

if they believe they can once and for all remove sniper melee and perfectly sync enemy positions/animations etc

all the power to them

[kind swan]

If only they did it in a timely manner

And whether or not it's going to be actually fixed or partially

[velvet flower]

Or they don't really have to sync the animation, but off-load the enemy attack to client as well.

[kind swan]

Just create an enemy that purposely has this function

Inbetween a striker and a Charger with a longer and more agile Tongue attacks

[sick hornet]

no you dont get it, sniper melee isnt a bug its an intentional feature

[kind swan]

[slim edge]

as is the games code and netcode being buggy af

[loud nova]

It adds difficulty duh. Just git gud.

[sick hornet]

Gtfo is a hardcore game, its not for everyone 🤷‍♂️

[coarse echo]

Ok fr tho thank god someone made a MOD for the fix that the devs CANT do

[kind swan]

You shouldn't mention/use it publicly btw or at least in this server

#rules #12

[coarse echo]

Itd be pretty pathetic if they decided to enforce it in this scenario tbh. Like there's a bug that makes the game play very unpleasant and nothing has been done about it. It'd be like being pulled over for helping a man in a wheel chair get across the street

[kind swan]

They know of the sniper melee fix mod. And they aren't satisfied with it. And regardless. You shouldn't be using any mods in this server anyhow.

If you play with mods outside of this server/private games not here than go ahead

[coarse echo]

Thank you for the information moderator

[kind swan]

[coarse echo]

This guy pulls up next to someone going 63 in a 60 and tells them to slow down lmao

[kind swan]

Whatever floats your boat but now you know

Talk about mods in this server at your own risk

anyhow I'm out

[atomic escarp]

please lecture me

[slim edge]

i´d accept that rule if they cared about bug fixing stuff people use mods to fix ^^

[obtuse surge]

did you kite tho

[half hornet]

i fell through the floor of A1 and now stuck in this hole

[obtuse surge]

nice

[hexed vapor]

I'd be more sympathetic if they actually told us why they're not satisfied with it.

It seems to be unreasonably effective, especially at high latency.

Especially when the alternative is the half-assed version rn.

[obtuse surge]

i will come back from my vacation and it will all be fixed

trust

[nocturne flax]

Hopefully after a month of vacation we'll get zniper melee fix + perfomance pass

But i know theyll probably fix d1 and move on to ext or r8

[sick hornet]

fix?

[frail briar]

What happens after the C3 main countdown goes to 0

[hallow lark]

The level becomes SEVERELY filled with monsters i think? extreme surge of monsters?

OH! Wait

The countdown is for when the extraction door opens

sorry, my bad

[kind swan]

hence Klas and schaeffer talk periodically about opening doors as the timer ticks

[frail briar]

So it doesn't spawn like

Extra at the end?

[agile sundial]

There's ||a tank|| but otherwise nothing extra special

[kind swan]

||a papi||

[frail briar]

Naise I thought it would be like a permanent alarm

Thanks all

[past lava]

Game broke and we got two immortals lol

[fierce laurel]

les go

[gloomy flame]

that happened to me once too, on my first attempt of E1, fun times

[torn sundial]

D1 tips?

[grizzled ravine]

Freak out less, do thing to make sure its 1 or 2 snatchers, do the error side, get a checkpoint, die to reset, then play it normally.

[torn sundial]

We're gonna do normal since it's 2 of our friends that are pretty freakin new. We got to the computers last time and the game crashed and wouldn't pick another host

[fallow wasp]

What was the most heinous single objective from every rundown?

[kind swan]

existing

[fierce laurel]

collect 5 __ is kinda eh

most levels don't do them well

[velvet flower]

Kill squidward

[half hornet]

Clarify "Heinous"

[nocturne flax]

Whatever the hell involves fog diving

With spitters

Perhaps somewhere in r2

[candid dragon]

Perhaps 15 giants included

[nocturne flax]

Perhaps a 50m room with roof height fog with giants

Perhaps

And spitters

Perhaps
...

[soft cedar]

which level has terminals objs like C3 overload

[tame cloak]

uplinks ? B2 has

[soft cedar]

thx, need to practice the uplinks

is it main

[tame cloak]

yes main

[deft kiln]

There isn’t another level with double uplinks but here is a guide https://youtu.be/hSulO4CxF4w

[obtuse surge]

can you explain it using skittles

[fallow wasp]

Honestly after I understood how to read the logs for those uplinks I found them to be enjoyable

Assuming there wasn’t a surge alarm worth of enemies barreling through the one or two people defending

[obtuse surge]

uplinks are pretty funny :))

[deft kiln]

Give me a second need to go pick up skittles

[obtuse surge]

[eternal dragon]

I hecking love uplinks. I always feel like a hacker! Hahahaha

[daring pilot]

*engineer

[fallow wasp]

I’d love the ability to alias commands in the terminals

[eternal dragon]

Lore Enthusiast 🧐

[daring pilot]

got me there 😔

[obtuse surge]

put on the fucking slave collar

[bold widget]

[kind swan]

I didnt know a blade could be a Hacker/Engineer

[fallow wasp]

Just an engineer

Nobody calls themselves a fucking hacker

[atomic escarp]

what about a chinese hacker

[velvet flower]

They're not engineers

[carmine kettle]

just did B3 PE

oh my GOD

it was sof ucking painful dude

4 and a half hours, because we kept choking at the exfil

[half hornet]

I know right?

I heard people claim that B3PE is officially the hardest out of the 3 available this rundown

Now i can't claim for certain, as i managed to beat it with a certain amount of cheese (joined a game in progress - received free extra health and ammo as opposed to being half-dead as part of the original squad), but B3 in general is a pretty painful level all things considered

Something about the map and layout of it, i just don't like it

[carmine kettle]

yeah it's only got one checkpoint

[half hornet]

"only"

There's veterans here who want them gone, like good ol' days

[carmine kettle]

the veterans can go fuck themselves

[half hornet]

But you know what - that might be a good reasoning too.

Although... Remind me where the checkpoint is?

[carmine kettle]

it's uhhh

[half hornet]

It's right before the final push i believe?

[carmine kettle]

on the room before the main obj

after you've already done secondary

[candid dragon]

i like checkpoints when they work. my casual party wont do harder sets without them. so i get stuck doing boring ass main only.

[half hornet]

Oh yeah, everyone would love checkpoints if they werent utterly broken

Every restart degrades game's stability like mad

[carmine kettle]

this spreadsheet and like two guys who knew a ton really helped us

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IyaqTptkW_TAM_jiXZ9hnUi6C11kTx5oIX_DPDkUkI0/edit#gid=1079549932

[half hornet]

Yeah, half of the success in this game is actually knowing where to go and what to do

Either way, congrats with a properly done PE

That's the ultimate test, even if its only B-tier mission

[carmine kettle]

ty ty

still need to do B2

C2

and C3

apparently C3 is hellish

[half hornet]

As someone who's done it - kinda

How good your team is at stealth and meleeing?

Because that's going to be responsible for success rate of the entire first half of the level

There's a portion in first half that basically dictates the success rate of the entire second half

IF you fuck it up - you're done. IF you don't - you'll get that extra chance of winning.

The secondary objective is actually very tame, especially compared to B3 secondary

It's the overload that's the real pain in all of the asses.

[fierce laurel]

just kite

[kind swan]

B3 secondary. If your team can kill flyers or not

Or just dodge them

[obtuse cedar]

C3 gives you so much c-foam... how can you actually think of it as hellish? you can c-foam almost every enemies lol

[silent kettle]

hellishly boring

[obtuse cedar]

it's tedious... but not that difficult if you are willing to just wait

[obtuse cedar]

true

[carmine kettle]

we survived JUST long enough to not need to worry about the fliers

3 of our guys went down though

[candid sundial]

what tool loadout for d1 ol?

[velvet flower]

It heavily depends on your route choice. One of each kind is a solid choice if you don't plan to do charger class X (doesn't matter you do shadow class X or not). If you plan to do charger class X then a 2nd even 3rd sentry can help depends on how confident you feel about charger class X

[candid olive]

7.5 when

also give us back gavel

[fierce laurel]

maul is enough

maul should be the only sledge variant

[fallow wasp]

Or maybe the mallet for the sheer purpose of pleasing the smallest minority

[strange junco]

alternate skins for the sledge

[atomic escarp]

sledgehammer was the best sledgehammer

equipping that gave me the power to solo the first r4b3ovl s1 scan by just shooting

[broken scarab]

Mallet was the best mallet

[half hornet]

I'm not good with using. I don't understand the grenade arcs and they often just fly straight through enemies even on direct hit. It's like i'm playing FPS version of XCOM and rolled that 10% miss chance.
The c-mines are more tolerable to work with, but i swear to fucking god scouts just know where they are and NEVER trigger them unless you put them directly up their asses which is something i'm too scared to do.

Charger scouts is the only reason i hate it. If they were normal scouts - i, as a spear main, would be happy to get my one and only job done. But chargers are cheap little bastards and i hate them.

Even shadow scouts for the entire level would be prefferable...

[tame cloak]

Scouts aren't moving randomly tho, if you've seen a scout go somewhere, it will go back there at some point. With that in mind you'll never miss a foam tripmine, but it can take a lot of patience tho

[atomic escarp]

you can use doors to your advantage if there are any

place mine close door start to charge when scout is near your mine placement open door wait for em to trip and happy bonk

[half hornet]

Literally never worked

They just teased me.

Approach the mine, put out tentacles, turn 180 and go away

Every goddamn time

[broken scarab]

Clever girl

[tame cloak]

she has too much distance to cover

[hexed vapor]

You can always sprint-check and put it under their feet.

Usually the strat I use.

[broken scarab]

Imagine if c-foam affected players as well. Get stuck in the same blog as a scout

[atomic escarp]

that'd be great

[carmine imp]

Wait does cfoam work on scouts?

[atomic escarp]

yes

when you're carried through rundown 7 and can't even do the basics

[half hornet]

It works basically on everyone. Even on Mothers, if you shoot enough at them.

The only exceptions i know of are Floaters and maybe Tank?

[atomic escarp]

tanks do get cfoamed

floaters and snatcher are immune to cfoam

[half hornet]

Snatcher is immune

of course he is

little bastard

[atomic escarp]

i wonder if there is a giant variant of snatcher

[half hornet]

There will be one day

Eats 2 people at once or something

[tame cloak]

shadow snatcher let's gooo

[half hornet]

No, bad

[tame cloak]

snatcher scout

[half hornet]

For same reason as mother and tank

Not happening

[carmine kettle]

please no

sn*tchers...

[hoary musk]

Grenades can bug through enemies if the grenade is going too fast, avoid full charging it.

For mines, I like to sneak up to the scout and wait until it walks towards me, then quickly place a mine right in front of it(preferably crossbeam) . Much riskier than a nade, but consistent in having the scout actually trigger the mine

[carmine kettle]

i HATE those stupid dogs

[atomic escarp]

there has to be right

[carmine kettle]

no

there isn't a giant snatcher

[atomic escarp]

then lets make it true

[velvet flower]

Yet

[carmine kettle]

there's only giant strikers, shooters (hybrids), shadows, and chargers

[velvet flower]

And fliers

[atomic escarp]

make it when a giant snatcher kills a player it spawns a regular snatcher

[carmine kettle]

yeah those too

fuck those

frontal armour

:(

[velvet flower]

Sniper sentry doesn't care about big flyers' armor, though.

[kind swan]

Just melee the shocker

[half hornet]

The shocker is such a cool enemy

We need more of them

The first time I reached the bit of C2 they were so cool looking

Floating over the horizon, trying to intercept you, charging up

Surprisingly sinematic experience

[half hornet]

We need more hordes in the sheer open desert

Fighting in rat tunnels gets old fast

[strange junco]

another dimension where its tundra

introduce new shitty mechanic named body temperature

[half hornet]

It's the same planet every time, but there's no reason we can't teleport to local poles.

That would be so cool....

[kind swan]

Another reason C2 ext is fun

[obtuse surge]

place the cfoam tripmine at their feet its pretty epic unless its not

sometimes its kinda cringe instead

like when there's an artifact at its feet

so you cant place the mine

or if you're client perhaps it'll just teleport into you

or maybe it's walking on a floor with holes so you cant place it properly

and maybe all 3 of those things will just happen back to back in the same run and then you just leave the game ahaha

[urban swan]

What is the official name of the enemy in e1?

[atomic escarp]

immortal i think

[strange junco]

immortal

[nocturne flax]

Reuse asset

[fierce laurel]

pablo or immortal

[half hornet]

This game doesn't have "official" names technically (our characters use Sleeper to basically describe all humanoid types capable of sleeping and call large enemies Big Boys, that's about it), but the common technical name for him is "Immortal", because this community has no imagination.

[fierce laurel]

theres no official name

i thibk pablo was the placeholder name in the files

so people call him that

[strange junco]

just call him reused asset

[fierce laurel]

my bad let me call him something nonsensical so no one knows what I mean

[bold widget]

hackett would probably call it big ugly bastard

[half hornet]

As opposed to small ugly bastard, reserved for common variations, kek

[fallow wasp]

Can we have Ellis from L4D2 name all the sleepers

[obtuse surge]

i dont think the characters call them sleepers

i think the characters unlike most the community only refer to the sleeping ones as sleepers

[errant vigil]

Scout is now sleepwalker until it wakes up

[half hornet]

That would be hilarious

[kind swan]

Pablo / Big Daddy / Immortal

Wait one of those ain't right

[fierce laurel]

[tame cloak]

Characters do say scouts too

[tame cloak]

As for this, I'm pretty sure in one of the log entries, they refer to an horde attacking something as Sleepers, I need to double check and I don't remember which it is

[urban swan]

Idk why I asked I knew that but I like pablo

[stable hull]

WELP looks like im not finishing any more of this rundown until the heavy carry checkpoint bug is fixed(if it even gets fixed in this rundown). C1 is brutal with the ending and being locked by the bug after an hour of progress

[hollow crane]

Unlikely, as the devs only ever seem to put out a patch or two after the release of a rundown. But also, completing levels without using checkpoints is one of the easiest ways of avoid this issue, as much as that is a sort of "get gud" statement.

[sacred flame]

you can have whoever has the cell stuck in hand leave, have a bot take their place, then have them rejoin. that should fix the issue

[stable hull]

Will have to try that next time. Thanks for the possible

[sacred flame]

np, hope it works out for you

[kind swan]

It's not really possible if host gets it

more rather if your team is ok with host swapping which can affect gameplay/connection

[kind swan]

also you're forgetting a key point. The person with the heavy item leaves then replaced with a bot. they then all die causing a checkpoint respawn and then the person who had the bug rejoins. @stable hull

[sacred flame]

every single time i've needed to do it i've had it work without needing to reload from the checkpoint again before the person afflicted with the bug joins back

[hollow crane]

wouldn't be surprised if that's all it takes, but also wouldn't be surprised if a bug could still persist after that. Most "Solutions" right now are passed through word of mouth. People claimed that dropping the items before checkpoints decreased the chances, but now we're not even sure if that helps at all

[sacred flame]

yeah given all the ways the game can screw up i could've just gotten lucky on the times i've needed to use the fix

[hollow crane]

nothing wrong with using the more complex solution if it increases the chances of fixing the problem I suppose. If a simpler solution exists then gambling with the lower chance is up to choice. But again, no clue what the bare minimum needed to fix the bug is

[fierce laurel]

whats a checkpoint

[sacred flame]

something you needed to beat e1

[grizzled ravine]

(⊃｡•́‿•̀｡)⊃━✿✿✿✿✿✿ 🚪

[fierce laurel]

[fallow wasp]

a damn shame, nobody wants to do E1 when it's like at least 2 in the morning

[paper harness]

just solo it

[hoary musk]

What you are talking about might be far from the ending. Do it again, you'll be much faster and lighter on resource usage.

[atomic escarp]

how do i solo e1

door cheese

i didn't do that for my e1 solo so how can do i the legitimate way

[velvet flower]

Would be extremely challenging for the reactor part if no door cheese nor big flyers cap involved

[grizzled ravine]

Wave 3 would probably be the deal breaker.

[kind swan]

Yes

[fallen badger]

is that legit because that's hilarious

[fierce laurel]

ya

jerry was for snatcher too

[fallen badger]

lmfao

amazing

[kind swan]

Alejandro

[torn sundial]

C2 really doesn't pull punches

[obtuse cedar]

how so

i find it pretty chill

[torn sundial]

The intro

Bots are fucking us hard not completing the scan and we're having giants spawn right behind us

They were also whigging out trying to melee during the middle of the alarm and a bit of teleporting

[grizzled ravine]

This is your problem since there is no spawn behind ever except for the extreme portion.

[torn sundial]

We didn't do the extreme. It's the ventilation scan where the fog rises

Literally the first scan before you even go through any of the doors

[grizzled ravine]

Yeah, nothing is supposed to spawn behind you. It's just always in front. They can come behind you via pathing, but never spawn.

Just put sentries on the second level where the two siderailings are and have a bot with biotracker go to town. And, don't miss 😄

[torn sundial]

We would have gotten it fine 3 attempts ago if the bots kept their shit together, but they have issues with the scans and won't stay in

[obtuse cedar]

the fact that giants (according to you) managed to slowly go around you to attack you definitely tells that you guys are not paying attention enough. or you are just badly setup

no problem here solo with 3 bots

didn't even get infected

[nocturne flax]

C2 initial scan?

[obtuse cedar]

yeah

no problem with bots

[nocturne flax]

Bots do tend to go in melee every now and then before switching to "oh shit gotta go to scan" but not really that often

[obtuse cedar]

only bishop and hackett took dmg .. a total of 40% between the 2

dauda and i are still max hp

[nocturne flax]

he might had the bot not wanting to go to the scan bug'

[obtuse cedar]

oh not even hacket and bishop are 88% each nvm it's LESS then 40%

[nocturne flax]

i mean a good setup can give you that

kekw

but yeah bots no entering scan its a weird bug

[obtuse cedar]

yeah so it's definitely their setup that is bad

@torn sundial

[nocturne flax]

definetly pay attention to your setup, bots should do just fine there

always wondered what priority action makes the bot not want to enter scans

sometimes they will get stuck trying to do an action before another leading them to die

but this one happend to me one time on a fresh start of the game in d4 in r6

[obtuse cedar]

idk. hacket did wait until the second scan appeared before moving from the terminal.. but even then he came to the scan and i was able to avoid infection

🤷

[nocturne flax]

really weird tbh

they still gotta fix the fact they dont wanna enter extraction scans tho

[obtuse cedar]

they want you to stay in the complex with them forever 🙂
they are listening to schaeffer. DON'T SLEEP.

[mossy marsh]

afaik a way to fix the bots from them not wanting to enter scans is to go outside of the room where the scan is, make the bot start following you, then going back to the scan

but I haven't tested it a lot since it's a rare bug ~~ at least on modded rundowns ~~

[devout flicker]

this is available until the end of R7 right?

the loot event timer mean anything?

[hollow crane]

nope

[hollow crane]

"Please note that the end date is just a placeholder and doesn't mark the end of Rundown 7.0 Rise. The reward will be unlockable during the entirety of the rundown." Listed at the bottom of that very same post

[devout flicker]

💀

[real moss]

You get it for finishing all mains (so basically E1)

[devout flicker]

yeah i knew that, just a friend confused me due to the steam announcement date and I didn't read the post itself 💀

I have only E1 left to do, not sure if I'll ever get it at this point 😭

[real moss]

Ofc you will. There's enough people around to do some runs with. And you probably have 3 months of R7 left. So .....

[hoary musk]

If you get desperate you can always find a static group to work on the mission over time, so at least you should get consistent progress/improvement. Can be better than rolling the dice each time in LFG

[real moss]

But but that would mean actually getting better at the game 😫

[strange junco]

just get good

[hoary musk]

I usually play private, but I went into an E1 pub yesterday and it was hell. Felt like people get carried there and are just looking for another carrry for the completion number.
No love for the game!

[strange junco]

arent like the majority carried by people

[real moss]

Well it depends ofc, but yeah majority is getting carried through E1

[strange junco]

ive had cases where people straight up shoot giants instead of sync melee

"hey lets sync"

*starts blasting

[real moss]

Thatis because we got new blood that gor carried free and refuses to learn the basics

[strange junco]

then theres people who just shine flashlights like theres no tomorrow and wake everything up

[real moss]

Then they proceed to teach their f'd up ways of playing to newer new guys

[hoary musk]

Hahaha. I've also seen "carries" just refuse to explain what's going on and trying to do it all on their own so theres 2 sides to the problem

[real moss]

Yes ofc, that's how you get basically new people in D and E tier

[strange junco]

you kinda half expect people to know when its

D E

[real moss]

It was rampant in R6 as well, D tier was filled with people that didn't know anything about the game

[strange junco]

then theres bio tracker hoggers that doesnt tag during alarm

or scouts

[real moss]

Guys that heal up before a zone instead of waiting for the alarm door. people that can't use terminals while already in D tier .. etc etc etc

[strange junco]

had a guy who just kept the tracker to himself

[wary olive]

Only the tank on the team should be using medi before alarm door

[strange junco]

no tags, no information

[real moss]

R5 might have been a bit too hard, but there most people were not willing to carry you blindly without you learning

[strange junco]

nothing at all

[wary olive]

Do NOT thinking emoji me pls

[strange junco]

now that i remember one of b2 runs

this guy just kept telling the bot to deploy mines instead of doing team scan

not only that but the mines were really close to the scan locations

[hexed vapor]

Combat mine deployer is annoying tbh.

[strange junco]

so a striker slipped through my sentry

touched the mine

[hexed vapor]

Like, bro, your tool is only really good on doors, or with specific set-up.

[strange junco]

blew me up in the process while im waiting for his ass to get to the team scan

[real moss]

Aah that reminds me: playing mines at random in the open. See that a lot as well

[hexed vapor]

Don't slow down to put down mines in the middle of nowhere. ^

[real moss]

And then when it blows up one dude, immediatly saying mines are worthless and they should never bring mines ever again

[hoary musk]

"but we gotta use them" and then I'm breaking my brain trying to explain that if we save mines for doors we don't need to refill them so we have more refill for sentry

[strange junco]

c foam mine deployer

[real moss]

But hey, they made it to D tier so they can't be bad at the game anymore

[strange junco]

pub mine users putting mines in the most ridiculous places

[real moss]

Or just writing off c-foam without ever using it cause it looks "lame"

[wary olive]

wtf i want that

[hexed vapor]

Mines take some forethought tbh, and a lot of the people on the tool just don't have that, they're busy trying to treat it like a mechanical tool.

[real moss]

Tbf a new players is going to see the sentry and with standard zombieshooters in mind will just always pick that

[hexed vapor]

If you know you need 6 mines coming up, and the c-foam launcher needs your next two tool refills, maybe don't use 3-4 mines on random shit.

[real moss]

Just like in R6 they always took Auto over burst even if auto was absolute dogshit

[real moss]

That's too much thinking Ray. It scrambles those little brains

[devout flicker]

yeah ik that but i probably won't be able to play the game after september, irl stuff and my usual friends are busy af nowadays

[real moss]

In that case: chop chop time to play

[atomic escarp]

i simply don't use mines because it's boring

r4 and before mines were cooler

thinking man's tool

[real moss]

You just mean pre R5 mines

R1 to R4 were the same I think

[atomic escarp]

hence r4 and before

for example in r3c1 solo, with cool mine placements, you can basically not see the wave until it's 3rd scan

[real moss]

I do agree that mines required more thinking, But sometimes they also felt too weak.

Altho they might have pushed a bit hard on the buff button

[atomic escarp]

just put more mines 4head

[prisma zodiac]

thats just… shifting the issue?

[real moss]

BUT as stated before, seeing how newer players use them.... they are pretty much balanced

[half hornet]

IMHO it shouldve been manually detonated explosives

Would've make it less lazy and more flexible and open for improvisation

[carmine kettle]

if only

hope we get it in R8

c-foam mines... my beloved...

shame they only really appear on C3 and D2 though

[carmine kettle]

tbh i only see mines placed on blood doors and for alarms, sometimes for dealing with scout alarms though

[ivory sundial]

If 8-mining the tank was more consistent then I think it would be a great tank killing tool

[carmine kettle]

yeah

the strat i saw on uh

D1

was luring it into a corridor

putting a sniper sentry at both ends

and having someone draw aggro

so it'd just get fucked up by 3 people shooting it's back and the sniper

[ivory sundial]

which requires a team

8-mining a tank requires a 5-use toolkit and 1 person

[devout flicker]

R6D3 was pretty easy to 8 mine the tank on last code

[hexed vapor]

Depends on your luck, I've seen some gung-ho mine deployers.

Treating it like a grenade launcher or something.

And also just bad mine placement in general...

More common among newer players, as they tend to be more inclined to use as much as they can for a single alarm.

Also, a lot of "tutors" give terrible tool advice, and spread some dumb strats around.

Prolly a selection bias because I play a fair amount more B2 than anyone else that replays levels.

The average "experienced" player on B2 has like 50-100 hours tops.

[obtuse cedar]

funny enough that is quite a lot for the 3rd level of the rundown...

[strange junco]

play all levels atleast 100 times

[obtuse cedar]

why would you even do that.

[strange junco]

gtfo is my hard addictive drug

[real moss]

A lot of those players started in R6, got carried and are now teaching new players the wrong stuff

Hence the 100 hrs

[obtuse cedar]

the mythical R6 veterans

[real moss]

The special specimens

It's even worse in the steam discussions tho. That place is a real cesspit

[obtuse cedar]

it's a fun read though

[real moss]

Yeah until you try to help a guy and some other starts calling gatekeeping and that you should not invalidate ones experience

[strange junco]

i just found the post you were exactly talking about

gave it a read and it was funny

[atomic escarp]

idk

i just used mines on b2ex solo

game too hard

[west crow]

Yeah @nocturne flax gives the worst tool advice

[hexed vapor]

smh

[real moss]

It is quite...... special

[strange junco]

i find it as some good pointers and bro just went "armchair gaslight"

[real moss]

Eh just keep them there.

[mossy marsh]

please link

[strange junco]

sshould be on the first page in discussions

[real moss]

Something about butthurt is the title

[strange junco]

"why is everyone so butthurt"

[mossy marsh]

I sometimes forget that the steam forums are...

well

yeah

[lost holly]

Dont look at the Steam Forums at 3 am

[nocturne flax]

A ma beat yo ass

Seen rayalot woop ass in steam forums its funny

So much disinformation in steam forums

[kind swan]

Me playing a pub and hearing a guy tell the newer ones false info left and right.

"GLOW STICKS CAN WAKE UP ENEMIES IF YOU THROW IT AT THEM"

"No nono. You're not right. They do wake up sleepers."

Me: Proceeds to throw all 12 of my glow sticks at a Titan within 2m

Them: I guess it only works for fog repellers

[tame cloak]

[kind swan]

Also me: Throws all 4 of my fog repellers at a titan

[obtuse surge]

A1 matchmaking where i say nothing the entire match and they just follow me because i have epic cosmetics

in and out in 10 minutes

they learned nothing, have no idea what happened, and can go right into B tier :))

[strange junco]

a1 matchmaking where i just watch people wipe after second checkpoint

also mm servers where chinese names either throw the match or have mods

[obtuse surge]

the people using that shitty voice line mod are a good showcase of why the devs should implement all of them

shouldn't

[strange junco]

im okay with some extra voicelines but some are just unnecessary

[errant vigil]

With the extra voice lines they just yap the whole match worse than a bot with a bio tracker

[half hornet]

More voicelines good.
Voiceline spamming bad.

Just put cool downs on it like L4D2 did

[strange junco]

extra voicelines add some good shit like tagging

[obtuse surge]

even with cooldown there's plenty of them that just add nothing of value

[strange junco]

random banter and directions are excessive

shit like "ready?"

[mortal portal]

Me and my friend just start spamming the coughing voiceline every time we do a checkpoint scan

[atomic escarp]

basic voices mod in pd2 was a good reason why voice commands are a mistake

[hoary musk]

I had someone in C1 tell me that hammering the air wakes them up

[agile sundial]

LFGs playing their greatest hits I see

[gloomy flame]

they might've gotten mixed up with hammering the environment

but yeah, swinging in the air doesn't wake them lol

[hexed vapor]

You shouldn't do it, but no.

[nocturne flax]

"Ssshh" command my beloved

[mortal portal]

I like the fact that the characters react to the coughing voiceline

[fallow wasp]

Scream and choke lines are ultra chad

[kind swan]

The Air Chose violence and screamed

[modern reef]

how does one unlock e1

i've heard it's through completing all the main objectives but i wanna make sure

[atomic escarp]

yes that's correct

[modern reef]

sweet