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#gtfo-related-questions
spring condor
noble sierra
fog_turbine_88, key_orange_88, key_blue_88
Keep in mind these will get listed using list e_88
steel valley
not with e_
that removes the overlap since it requires it to be in the same zone
list 88 will include items with id 88
noble sierra
You might want to look closer.
distant ice
datasphere_882
noble sierra
I ignored those might spoil some objectives like cube_xxx, case_xxx.
valid arch
How do you get the Raptus Treffen 2 Machine Pistol? Found it in this vid https://youtu.be/UdMxvQ0Jiv8?t=501
weary mesa
All rundown specific weapons are up for rotation every rundown
faint hawk
my friend cant put down the collection case in B1 and we already put it in is there a way to fix without restarting?
weary mesa
Only stable ones are AR, DMR, Pistol, SMG for primaries, and Revolver, Sniper, and Shotgun for secondaries
craggy pier
my friend cant put down the collection case in B1 and we already put it in is th...
did you use a cp
noble sierra
my friend cant put down the collection case in B1 and we already put it in is th...
Make your friend leave the game, create a bot to replace him, suicide and restart to the cp with the bot, have your friend join back to replace the bot and this should fix the problem.
craggy pier
can you make a bot mid game?
noble sierra
Yes
craggy pier
noice
faint hawk
it fixed it thank you guys
craggy pier
nice!
rigid sinew
Make your friend leave the game, create a bot to replace him, suicide and restar...
I will be saving this in case someone else needs it
rapid sable
I have the same issue did you find any solution for that?
queen wasp
No spoilers, for decent players which one is harder/longer, B2 or C1?
queen wasp
Aight, thanks
craggy pier
also idk what your definition of "decent" is but I cleared all of R6 so idk
craggy pier
C1 no fails is probably shorter than B2 secondary, but B2 main i think shorter than C1
also first time C1 is very easy to fail on
latent obsidian
Yup
craggy pier
btw drop all 3 cells outside the first cp scan BEFORE you pull the door. this is prevent softlocking yourself if you have to restart at CP
mossy aurora
does choke mod 1 shot a charger scout to the back
weary mesa
Yes
mossy aurora
i must have not been behind enough then 😦
weary mesa
That is a factor
craggy pier
does choke mod 1 shot a charger scout to the back
and somewhat within 15 metres
mossy aurora
i was close enough for sure, i was just like at a 45 degree angle behind it
distant ice
you need a perfect back hit
craggy pier
isn't there a tiny bit of wiggle room
distant ice
nope not really
60 hp on charger scout and 30.08 damage on choke
i mean you need 2x damage basically but yes there is some lenience in getting the 2x mult
mossy aurora
high caliber also does around 30 damage right?
craggy pier
within 8 meters yah
distant ice
same deal yes
thin hound
is shotgun sentry still the best sentry?
regal heron
doesnt seem like it
iron karma
Can you search for lock melters with terminals? Google isn't helpful.
weary mesa
No
iron karma
Lame, running into a level where we could really use them.
plush stirrup
I CANT FIND ZONE 96 IN B1 CARGO ANY TIPS?
plush stirrup
zone 95b
pulsar sage
it should be on the opppsite side from where you entered zone 95
ssecond floor if i remmber correctly
plush stirrup
i found zone 97 but not 96
pulsar sage
gimme a sec need to check my screenshots from th map
pulsar sage
so Zone 96 is between 95 and 97
so if you have a door that leads to 97 it also goes to 96
plush stirrup
97 cannot be open
pulsar sage
are you on a big bridge?
pulsar sage
you are in 96 already then 😄
pulsar sage
no problem good luck with the rest of the lvl 🙂
mossy aurora
does anyone know exactly how mine explosion hitbox/cone got changed?
tardy ingot
Did it get changed?
mossy aurora
it seems like if you are standing behind a mine on a blood door, but fairly close it will kill you now
tardy ingot
hmm
tacit zealot
You just got fatter /s
mossy aurora
deft wharf
hey everyone im very new to gtfo so this might be a stupid question but can the monsters hear u in game when u talk or not? ty for answering 
craggy pier
no
deft wharf
alr cool ty c:
distant ice
it seems like if you are standing behind a mine on a blood door, but fairly clos...
I don't know how close you mean but it could happen before too
rare forge
hey all! I'm on the fence about buying the game after the free trial, how easy is it to find other players during "normal" times?
daring fog
depends on if you mean through lfg on this discord or through ingame matchmaking (which never will get the fixes they say it got)
craggy pier
hey all! I'm on the fence about buying the game after the free trial, how easy i...
within the first 2 months of new content rly easy to find games
in discord lfg
forget mm
daring fog
matchmaking is still doable but most lobbies bug out ^^
craggy pier
or just shit comms and u fail
or trolls
and u fail
or shit coordination
and u fail
better luck with discord lfg
rare forge
yea probably discord, my first two mm games were awesome, but I had like 10 after htem and they all sucked
daring fog
same with lfg though ^^ i had more troll teams in lfg then in 800 hours matchmaking
craggy pier
dont play with no pfps
instantly cut down on trolls
dont play with no mics in rando lobbies
daring fog
thanks for insulting me for not having a mic
craggy pier
it's not an insult?
rare forge
lol
daring fog
ingame chat comms are all thats evver needed
rare forge
it seems to me that a mic is a must for this game
craggy pier
it seems to me that a mic is a must for this game
technically not a must but more mics = much bigger advantage because you have better communication and coordination
which is why playing in random lfgs with bad comms will probably fail on harder levels
daring fog
looks at joemie
craggy pier
you can get by if one person doesn't have a mic but knows what they're doing
long story short if u wanna win have good comms
rare forge
which is why playing in random lfgs with bad comms will probably fail on harder ...
nearly all my shitty games happened because of bad communication so couldnt agree more
so basically the game's still alive when theres no free weekend? according to steamdb player numbers seem kinda low in normal times
craggy pier
so basically the game's still alive when theres no free weekend? according to st...
new content came with free weekend
there will still be ppl playing new content after free weekend is over
rare forge
there will still be ppl playing new content after free weekend is over
I see, so it's returning players too, cool!
brave sapphire
there's a few "monument" players that have been playing for years and they're the only people I'd consider playing with no mic. After playing a lot of games you start to recognize their names
they mostly autopilot around doing whatever needs to be done with low interaction
dry pumice
Efficient, but boring
brave sapphire
I had that opinion until I got my ass carried through R6C3 PE by them one day and now I don't complain
dry pumice
Same, including R6D3 PE
But that was born out of necessity as rundown was ending. If there's time to spare - i prefer doing things the natural way, unless i hate that particular level or objective
I was horrified when i saw what secondary objective for C3 was. Actually bullshit. I would never figure it out by myself.
frosty gazelle
How good are the bots in the game? I have a lot of anxiety to talk with strangers, but this game looks so interesting. Is the matchmaking any good?
queen wasp
Compared to a decent player with good accuracy, bots are 8/10 for killing purpose. But they are pretty dumb so not good enough for hard missions. They will follow your instructions.
Matchmaking is bad. I recommend using discord lfg. People here are also nice so don't worry much
frosty gazelle
Thanks, gonna see if I can get over it
vestal moat
Any good tips for c1 Class S alarm?
craggy pier
Any good tips for c1 Class S alarm?
yeah
have a good sniper on your team
makes the scan ezpz
woeful kiln
pretty straight forward place sentries and just kill everything
no real god gamer strat
noble current
quick question, i understand that part: Rundowns have different tiers, from A to E, with A being easier and E being harder
But what about the numbers? Is B1 easier than B3 for example?
like... played B3 doing all objectives and... it took us 3 fucking hours to succeed 🥲
turbid horizon
quick question, i understand that part: Rundowns have different tiers, from A to...
Usually the higher numbers also indicate an increase in difficulty, with some exceptions. With the introduction of story levels, it also usually indicated optional objectives as well, which are harder
I’m pretty sure its also just a way to differentiate between the different levels, yknow
gleaming gale
Got a question regarding b1. At the end the scan that moves around, does it go faster if multiple team members stand in it or is it enough if one stands in the scan and the rest defend the bridge
spark wolf
from what doc said before it seems intended that higher number has higher difficulty but still easier than the first level on the next tier
for main objectives
distant ice
which is kinda weird, i would expect levels of a tier to have same-ish intended difficulty
daring fog
we have a e level thats a d level at best
midnight gazelle
Got a question regarding b1. At the end the scan that moves around, does it go f...
I think the speed stays the same but the rate of the percentage increases is dependent on how many players inside
Let’s move to #gtfo-spoiler-chat and i can give you a tip
twilit jolt
what password in gtfothegame shop
indigo quiver
what password in gtfothegame shop
noone knows, it's probably for internal use, they didi say the merch shop was unavailable currently
desert shard
how does a person join a game using the in game code?
indigo quiver
you copy the code, and go back in game, checking the left side of the rundown screen. there will be a red button below the white ones.
desert shard
oh so when i copy the code the join lobby button will appear?
twilit granite
can turrets see in the fog?
pulsar sage
yes
earnest frost
is it possible to kill a scouter/feeler with melee weapons? how many hits does it take?
topaz anvil
is it possible to kill a scouter/feeler with melee weapons? how many hits does i...
I only use sledge, but i know its possible with spear and bat too. 1 full charge to the head will do it
Knife, I've been told it's possible but I've never seen it
midnight gazelle
is it possible to kill a scouter/feeler with melee weapons? how many hits does i...
Full charge for all weapons to head. Spear and sledge can do it from any direction, bat and knife must be from back of head
This is not the case for charger scouts
Charger scouts have more health
And require 2 hits to the back (sledge or spear)
spark wolf
just 1 has to be from the back
midnight gazelle
just 1 has to be from the back
I have never experienced this
Did they nerf the charger scout?
midnight gazelle
I have
weary mesa
No that’s just it’s hp
midnight gazelle
That’s the thing xd
weary mesa
Not full back multi moment
minor fractal
just 1 has to be from the back
???
spark wolf
it should be enough?
minor fractal
You can't do 60 damage in one hit w/ any melee
topaz anvil
Oh i see now
minor fractal
Oh, that's what you mean.
ashen hamlet
Sledge can one shot sleepers? From the table I found it needs a full charge….but I saw people hammering them like nothing
buoyant obsidian
Sledge can one shot sleepers? From the table I found it needs a full charge….but...
It's a 3/4 charge to the head
ashen hamlet
Oh so no need to full charge
Which weapon would be the fastest to kill for headshots?
median forge
I think technically the fastest to kill would be knife because it charges so fast
cloud marsh
Which weapon would be the fastest to kill for headshots?
you can watch them fighting over this in the gtfo-chat channel lol
woeful kiln
Which weapon would be the fastest to kill for headshots?
revolver one shots on head most small enemies so i recommend it
cloud marsh
what are they fighting about exactly?
which is better between High Cal and Revolver around that
woeful kiln
what are they fighting about exactly?
we're saying that revolver is more efficient than HCP because revolver gets 18 kills for each ammo refill as long as you hit headshots and HCP gets 9 kills per refill as long as you hit the target
median forge
I like both of them, I'd say HCP is better for big boys and revolver is better for little
grizzled widget
you can watch them fighting over this in the gtfo-chat channel lol
ah yes talking shit about me in another channel, how mature of you
woeful kiln
he litterally said them
cloud marsh
excuse me
cloud marsh
I like both of them, I'd say HCP is better for big boys and revolver is better f...
my party didnt test them out but i kind agree with JoeJoe
kinda*
austere fractal
what are our thoughts on main weapon to go with choke mod since choke mod got buffed so heavily
cloud marsh
what are our thoughts on main weapon to go with choke mod since choke mod got bu...
i stick to smg throughout the rundown so lol
maybe there's better choice
austere fractal
heh
ashen hamlet
somehow it turns from melee to guns
distant ice
i don't understand the question
distant ice
somehow it turns from melee to guns
all melees can kill pretty fast, the fastest kill is going for occiput
technically fastest stealth on smalls would be knife
ashen hamlet
I see....
distant ice
but as soon as you fuck up the oneshot headshot it's not the fastest anymore
ashen hamlet
oh it does not sound good
pulsar sage
how can i get a weapons damage stats? looking for a compariosn between PDW and SMG
distant ice
don't think so
pulsar sage
where do you find this?
distant ice
ereggia hasn't said anything about it yet
viscid wolf
has to be self tested
pulsar sage
oh ok
viscid wolf
whats khepris ping
distant ice
from a bit of playing around with both i'd say pdw is better
pulsar sage
that is my feeling aswell but it feels like a shorter range than the SMG
distant ice
don't think so
both are very short range afaik
pdw is slightly worse it seems
but it won't matter much since both fall fast
distant ice
besides some falloff actually can help pdw
pulsar sage
yeah i mean thats why some stats would be cool
minor fractal
How are their reloads?
distant ice
both fast af
minor fractal
I think SMG has better uptime, but I don't fully remember.
distant ice
go from breaking head in 2 hits and dealing around 10 damage to breaking in 3 and dealing around 14
viscid wolf
pdw can cancel before reload goes in
it's actually ridiculous lmao
it's like a 0.2 second reload cancel for pdw
distant ice
not the first weapon with that
craggy pier
you should use carbine
pulsar sage
oh no
craggy pier
the buff is actually insane
pulsar sage
i dont like it
minor fractal
Does it have 2-burst again/
craggy pier
yes
weary mesa
The burst cancel bug is annoying as shit tho
craggy pier
and zero recoil
just that you might get the bug where you can't reload after shooting(?)
viscid wolf
yeah
daring fog
as did the bug fixes though for those i still wait for them to actually hit
distant ice
it's like a 0.2 second reload cancel for pdw
overstatement but i just went in to test and it is actually ridiculous lmao
viscid wolf
ahahah
pulsar sage
lemme check that out
minor fractal
It's a collapsable magazine.
You stuff like 10 mags in there and then when you pull one out the next one fills in the space
distant ice
you can cancel around half the reload i think
minor fractal
distant ice
even if you don't cancel it's still really fast honestly
viscid wolf
It's a collapsable magazine.
it's like loading a m1 garand but instead of bullets they're all seperate magazines
minor fractal
RIP Head glitch, R1-R3 o7
distant ice
even without reload cancels pdw reload is faster than smg
torn atlas
Stuck at a1 unit 23 recycle the hsus cant access the terminal for some reason when we go near it nothing shows up
distant ice
pick up the neonate
torn atlas
pick up the neonate
can you explain further please
distant ice
you have to carry that thing to the machine
and it'll only show up when you have it in your hands and go to the machine
torn atlas
we dont know where to put it
the red and green machine?
where it says detecting personel?
oak cliff
i found that there are mods for the game i tried to download a few but nothing works
oak cliff
none of them ?
viscid wolf
you have to wait a bit for them to update their mods to be compatible with R7
distant ice
lemme post in media
minor fractal
Stuck at a1 unit 23 recycle the hsus cant access the terminal for some reason wh...
Sounds like terminal is bugged for some reason, restart.
minor fractal
You're holding E to enter terminal, right?
torn atlas
You're holding E to enter terminal, right?
yes
torn atlas
Sounds like terminal is bugged for some reason, restart.
we did twice
minor fractal
we did twice
Share screen?
midnight gazelle
i found that there are mods for the game i tried to download a few but nothing w...
I would recommend avoiding speaking about mods here.
torn atlas
i cant send image
minor fractal
i found that there are mods for the game i tried to download a few but nothing w...
MTFO is outdated.
Probably will be for like a week
distant ice
game updates break mods
torn atlas
Share screen?
sent a direct image
torn atlas
Drop the neonate
senta new image
oak cliff
im just glad me and the boys could experience the free weekend and beat b1
viscid wolf
lets go
oak cliff
it only took us 6 attemts and about 6 hours
minor fractal
senta new image
Why is there text on the terminal?
viscid wolf
it only took us 6 attemts and about 6 hours
it do be like that
torn atlas
im not sure im new to the game
minor fractal
It looks like someone has typed a bunch of shit?
torn atlas
💀 💀 💀 💀
viscid wolf
💀
minor fractal
Have you tried fully restarting your game?
torn atlas
yes twice
minor fractal
What are you doing when you get in that zone?
Can you describe it so we know if there's a bug that can be recreated?
distant ice
carbine does 5.28 on head and 2.03 on body to a striker
you have to hit 2 head and at least 1 body to two-burst if you're host
client should technically be able to one-burst 🤔
jaunty bear
why is gtfo addicting?
median forge
so were the changes to carbine strictly a buff?
viscid wolf
burst cannon
distant ice
and i'm trying to figure out the precision rifle
there's something really wrong with the scope and aiming on it
austere fractal
Does the revolver pop fliers in one hit
median forge
in the eye yes
woeful kiln
nope unless you hit weakpoint
median forge
just be a bit patient and wait for them to basically stop moving to shoot you
distant ice
flyers seem like the best use for hc
austere fractal
rapid flier destruction
distant ice
precision rifle has both zoom and sensitivity adjustment on it
it's also perfect bait for tunnel vision with oneshots and 12 mag size
really forces you into bad habits
i think those problems are much more serious than any stats on it
eternal bridge
PDW is very very nice
Serves as an Anti-Shadow Stealth tool as well as a decent weapon to kill stuff with
pearl abyss
Does this game support FSR?
viscid wolf
whast that
daring fog
amd fidelity super resolution
viscid wolf
probably not
rigid sinew
so basically the game's still alive when theres no free weekend? according to st...
don't get me wrong, it gets low, but the playerbase tend to stick a lot here in the server
daring fog
though more and more long time players get fed up and quit
rigid sinew
the low player count effect mostly affects the in-game mm system
rigid sinew
though more and more long time players get fed up and quit
hopefully this rundown can keep the vets entertained enough until the next one or extension
which will certainly not happen if they take another half year to release content 
daring fog
would help if some of the bugs that are there since rundown 1 would be fixed instead of being put in bug fix notes and not getting the bug fix deployed
rigid sinew
currently the worst bugs aren't even that old
mostly group mm, enemy attack animation latency, and kekpoints
literally all introduced during R6
warm lichen
Worst bug I've gotten so far is not being able to interact with anything after continuing from a checkpoint. So now I just don't die anymore. ez
daring fog
group mm bugs are there since r4
host/client delays are there since god knows how long
rigid sinew
it used to actually work in R5 doe
daring fog
not that i with my 500 hours in matchmaking in r5 noticed
sound bugs that are there since r1
rigid sinew
host/client delays are there since god knows how long
yeah, but right now it's a persistent latency due to how the current netcode handles those
daring fog
doesnt feel persistent at all
rigid sinew
sound bugs that are there since r1
I'm not really sure but I have sorta managed to find a workaround for that
Haven't been able to reproduce it constantly though
seems like it sorta fixes itself after a couple of minutes or something
daring fog
just had one today with 1 hour no sound and yesterday it was 2 hours muffled sound
only fix that worked was still restarting client
rigid sinew
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
lilac fulcrum
that's really odd that the sound issue is still happening as in our hundreds and hundreds of hours testing between devs and the bug hunters no one reported the issue.
but i have seen a few people mention it so we'll certainly look into it again
rigid sinew
if anything it seems to happen only with scout screams
lilac fulcrum
iirc the updated music system did touch scout music, so it's possibly related
distant ice
does the muffled thing still happen if you wipe while in the map
daring fog
still had muffled sound after checkpoint
rigid sinew
iirc the updated music system did touch scout music, so it's possibly related
on the topic of the new music
there is also a thing where combat music can just cut out after all awaken enemies are killed
daring fog
most of the time it stays till restart
lilac fulcrum
yeah we're looking into that one kat 🙂
valid sable
Which guns can you guys recommend for this rundown?
distant ice
pretty much all are usable
daring fog
pdw works as anti shadows
same as the precision rifle though precision rifle doesnt deal as reliably damage as the pdw does
though the thermal scopes on those weapons can be wonky with fog
biggest problem lately are the forest/garden tiles though with all the moving leafs and grass that makes fps tank af
even more so with the leafs all responding to you shooting at them and the invisible unexplained air current that seems to be there all the time so they even move at all
lemme say it like this. you know its bad if people drop from 120+ fps to 2
slim spoke
distant ice
garden is the first subcomplex i'd rather didn't exist
subtle creek
confused on what needs to be done in D2
I know that 3 ppl defend while 1 person goes to look for a terminal but not sure if we need to go shadow side or charger side
daring fog
||rush forward after getting the stick while defending your backside||
daring fog
I know that 3 ppl defend while 1 person goes to look for a terminal but not sure...
||depends on which terminal it wants it should say which room when you check the terminal||
shrewd dirge
Adding to the pile on. Yes, i still got muffled audio past checkpoint
daring fog
but yeah in some ways d2 doesnt explain exactly what you need to do but that fits the story behind it
subtle creek
||depends on which terminal it wants it should say which room when you check the...
where is that terminal?
daring fog
||should be on the backside of the first room near the door that you need the code to unlock||
hard to say exact positions with its location seemingly being randomized somewhere in the back part of the room
subtle creek
||should be on the backside of the first room near the door that you need the c...
the first terminal you come across before you unlock the alarm security door?
stark spade
Adding to the pile on. Yes, i still got muffled audio past checkpoint
I was able to open the map and it fixed itself
daring fog
||you open the door that has the alarm and in the back of the second room (first room should be the long corridor you just walk through)(the one that has i think charger/shadow respectively in left/right side rooms) there somewhere is the terminal||
worthy panther
quick question. i never played GTFO before, should i just matchmake or find a lobby here?
warm lichen
When enemies spawn during alarms, do they spawn from specific locations? Like do they crawl in from vents? Or do they just appear in distant rooms? I haven't noticed any obvious entry points for them. More to the point, is there a reliable way to predict where they will spawn?
daring fog
or the region specific for you
subtle creek
||you open the door that has the alarm and in the back of the second room (first...
ok so its after the alarm door
daring fog
1-2 rooms away in front of doors for the spawning
but the exact distance seems to be somewhat random/specific to each door so best bet is prepping the doors directly leading to the room you are doing the scan in
jaunty bear
@warm lichen Appear. General rule is 2 rooms away. They take the 'path of least resistance'.
worthy panther
find lobby here
thanks, i missed that there is lfg beginners
jaunty bear
Closed doors / open apply for this rule.
Though it'd be sick if they crawled from the vents.
daring fog
Closed doors / open apply for this rule.
yeah forgot to mention which doors count
daring fog
for some it seems to spawn them directly in front of the zone the scan is in though can only speak from how fast they knock on the doors
warm lichen
<@191690444822937600> Appear. General rule is 2 rooms away. They take the 'path ...
Does the path of least resistance take c-foamed doors into consideration? eg, if I want to funnel them to one door, should I c-foam the other door to direct them to the one I want them to enter through?
jaunty bear
I don't think they register Cfoamed doors?
daring fog
they did for some time
jaunty bear
hurrr...
daring fog
though cant say what the game code itself thinks about that since i dont want to / havent bothered looking into the game code since that would be illegal either way
daring fog
rundown 4 and 5 it looked like they did
distant ice
@spark wolf probably remembers their pathing better than me
But i do know they didn't care about foam
daring fog
can only say what wesley ura and nuggies taught me back then
distant ice
And for that other thing, the modding server exists you know
last idol
what does the warden key do in A1?
midnight gazelle
what does the warden key do in A1?
Warden key?
You mean like a colored keycard?
There should be a security door that is locked and it’ll require that keycard to unlock it
midnight gazelle
idk my friend picked it up and he says it said wardens key
Yeahh, it’s not called “wardens key”. It’s a keycard
loud mica
Pretty sure I got stuck on an eternal loading screen, is that something that happens sometimes?
Just me?
daring fog
more people seem to mention it now then before
jolly lichen
how long do rundowns usually last for?
weary mesa
6+ months
jolly lichen
are there any updates in between them?
jolly lichen
like new missions or extend the time of rundown?
fickle mulch
New missions
jolly lichen
nice
soft crater
This rundown likely won't have one
When I heard people say that about R6 and yet we got one
fickle mulch
Im just going off what the devs said
When the roadmap released they said they had 3 updates planned for 2022: 1 minor (r6 extension) and 2 major (r7/r8)
weary mesa
I guess regular rundowns should be 3-4 months but that past 3 have had extensions making them 6 months total
Or more 
viscid wolf
as much as I don't think they will
its unrealistic that the devs will actually speed up their work flow and not rely on exts
surreal topaz
anyone else have problems with the bots ignoring the scan in C2 at teh start
midnight gazelle
how do i ping the collection case
if you are in the right zone, ping collection_case
If not, query collection_case
midnight gazelle
Ye
dry pumice
same concept
ping can only be done from terminal in the same zone as item in question
find it through
LIST ZONE_XXX
Then
PING ITEM_XXX
dry pumice
MEDIPACK_123
AMMOPACK_123
TOOL_REFILL_123
You need to know the precise number of the item, or else it wont ping
They are always randomised
the shortcut is to write
LIST RESOURCES XX
Where XX is the number of the zone the terminal is in
That should give you the list of any resource packs in the room
And then you can ping them away
You can add -T at the end of the ping command so that it pings continuously while you are at the terminal
ruby wasp
Note that you can type LIST ES E_[Zone number] for the same job
and LIST U E_[Zone number] to list both resources & key items at the same time
U stands for SECURITY iirc
dry pumice
kek
How the fuck would anyone ever figure that one out
I'm sure there's like 20 terminal commands i dont know about
ruby wasp
You can type LIST LL for both cell & tool refills
LIST MM for ammopacks
LIST ME for medpacks
Typing _[Zone number] will list items from the zone AND items with the zone number as an ID
(which almost never happens)
brave sapphire
How the fuck would anyone ever figure that one out
Maybe it makes sense in Swedish?
minor fractal
How the fuck would anyone ever figure that one out
It's just how the filters function.
It's looking for substrings in an item's data that match your filters.
ruby wasp
I don't remember if querying resources tells you if they are part of a SECURITY category
i recall it does for key items though
brave sapphire
U is in resource though, do those match too?
ruby wasp
maybe
minor fractal
So, if I want to hit the "ZONE_55" data, "E_55" is the minimum amount of text I need to hit that filter and be sure that there are no other items that are matched unintentionally.
dry pumice
there's non in AMMOPACK
ruby wasp
ammopacks are part of the RESOURCE category
minor fractal
Because there are currently no other items that end in "E" on the terminal.
ruby wasp
Hence why you can also use _55 as well
but that'll also consider any resource with "55" in their ID
fast turtle
In B2 what do you do after UPLINK_CONNECTION to that IP
ruby wasp
UPLINK_CONNECT [THE IP]
The terminal will give you a code with 1 letter & 2 digits
e.g. X05
Get out of the terminal, check the upper part of the HUD
icy nacelle
UPLINK_VERIFY (CODE). The terminal will list a code (i.e Y09), and outside the terminal you'll have numerous code with text and you'll have to match up with the code on the terminal.
ruby wasp
The game will show you several 1 letter - 2 digits codes linked to 4 letter codes
find the corresponding 4 letter code
type UPLINK_VERIFY [the code]
icy nacelle
So let's say Y09 = GOLD, you would then type UPLINK_VERIFY GOLD.
Repeat this 4 Times and you're done.
ruby wasp
I'll copy one of my old messages
It'd work like this :
-You type UPLINK_CONNECT [the uplink ID]
-The terminal will connect to a server
-The server will give you a code composed of 1 letter & 2 digits. For example : X07
-Get out of the computer
-You'll see on your screen several server codes along with 4-letter words associated with each code. You probably got it : you have to type the 4-letter word associated, in this example, to X07.
Let's say it gives you this on your HUD :
X01 : GRAY X04 : KILL X05 : SAND X07 : MARK
Y03 : TRAP Y08 : TEAM Y09 : RAIL
Since you're looking for X07, the code will be MARK
-Go back on the terminal
-type UPLINK_VERIFY [4-letter code], so here it'd be UPLINK_VERIFY MARK
That makes 1 code done
fast turtle
earnest frost
jesus C1 tough
any command to open gates magically?
SUDO OPEN SESAME or something
earnest frost
the ones that need generators in c1
earnest frost
:D
torpid mirage
quick question how does the overload in D1 works ?
topaz anvil
quick question how does the overload in D1 works ?
||It's a terminal command||
brave sapphire
🔴 is it a red flag if a player admits they listen to loud music while playing this game?
craggy pier
is it a red flag if I deliberately wake up scouts? 
drifting mauve
is it a red flag if i listen to the gtfo combat music OST while playing gtfo
We need to talk
This is not normal
rustic bolt
crash help
sweet fern
._.
rustic bolt
can i please get help in tech support
rustic bolt
i know where it is. it just seems to be ignored so i am asking here.
rustic bolt
no, i gave them much longer since the people before me have the same issue with no response
velvet spoke
hey so how do i play with friends?
floral acorn
steam friends can see your game if you click on level and hold "host game"
#how-to-matchmake got the other goods, lobby codes etc
narrow hearth
Is there any mechanism whereby I can test out all the weapons, short of taking them into a live mission? Like a practice room or similar?
brave sapphire
On tonights episode, in B1 the extraction never seemed to appear. Standing around with this ugly baby and nowhere to go.
drifting mauve
Wtf
floral acorn
Is there any mechanism whereby I can test out all the weapons, short of taking t...
nope. a1.
vapid mist
if i do a second objective do i win or do i have to do the main one aswell
floral acorn
if i do a second objective do i win or do i have to do the main one aswell
always main, optionals dont finish wo main done
vapid mist
so i have to do the main one to extract?
drifting mauve
Yes
vapid mist
oh god i may have done more than i can
drifting mauve
There’s never too much...
floral acorn
nah mains are fun and fast, except b2. :)
vapid mist
well im on b2 soooooo
floral acorn
secondary is 42 hours and main another 37 on top
that level is beeeeeeeg
(45 and 45 minutes tops)
hollow pollen
all i need is one more glu and then im free
guess you could call yourself glu-then free
(shoot me in the back of the head please)
floral acorn
nice, if u shift it, u can be done in 25 30
vapid mist
welp i dead class v go brrr
rotund portal
Quick question, I was told the spear could do do bonus damage from the front due to piercing hits, unlike the other 3. Is this true or false?
floral acorn
yes and no, kinda
craggy pier
has anyone ever had the rundown UI not have a join lobby by ID button? I only see "matchmake" "free weekend" and "gtfo discord"
floral acorn
spear pierce was a big thing but was "fixed" .. if u can line up 2 sleeper heads w hammer (they crouch just so), u can "pierce" doublekill similar as spear "pierces" ..
floral acorn
has anyone ever had the rundown UI not have a join lobby by ID button? I only se...
yes.. sometimes steam kills the lobby or the lobby breaks.. then the join xxx from clip button doesnt appear
craggy pier
@floral acorn any idea how to get it to appear again?...
floral acorn
.. new lobby im afraid, exit expedition for host, new lobby.. if u trying to rejoin a game, that lobby might have steam seppuku'ed
rotund portal
Also is there a firing range?
An area that loads quickly where I can just unload guns to see what fits me?
floral acorn
nope, drop a1 w 2 weapons, blast away. return to lobby, switch guns, repeat
rotund portal
One last question. Can I boost the UI up to 200% size and not just 150?
is there an INI file I can mess with for that?
Because I literally cannot read the UI, it is too small
For example, 6,8,9,0 cannot be distinguished. And I can barely read some of the objective text.
I'm just guess working with the terminals as it stands
craggy pier
uh I figured out my problem the button just doesn't appear unless you have a code copied to clipboard 
thank you tho @floral acorn
plush stirrup
how to add player in game in my friends list?
topaz anvil
You'll just have to ask them for their steam,
vapid mist
can i one shot scouts with the knife
sweet fern
is HEL gun a rifle or a carbine
my question get ignored ._.
sweet fern
can i one shot scouts with the knife
its possible
fickle mulch
is HEL gun a rifle or a carbine
its a gun
vapid mist
its possible
back of head?
sweet fern
back of head?
yep
vapid mist
here goes
warm trench
what gun 😠
Revolver and Shotgun
viscid wolf
yes
sweet fern
from R3/R6
rotund portal
Does biotracker enhance all turrets, or only the sniper and shotgun turrets for this rundown?
sweet fern
sniper and shotgun only
tacit kite
Does anyone have a screenshot of subject 22 from the end of DX during rundown 6.5?
queen wasp
How long is C1 approximately?
topaz anvil
45-60 minutes for your average team
craggy pier
^without fails
lilac jetty
can someone explain how matchmaking works in this game?
when I have people in lobby already and want to add some more randoms, I click matchmaking button near one of the player slots and it just kicks me out of the lobby
lilac jetty
oke
craggy pier
real
weary mauve
Hey, does anyone know why the DMR doesn't oneshot strikers?
steel valley
because it doesn't have enough damage?
pure jay
Hey, I'm on B2 and I just about finished it but idk what to type in the console to unlock the door. Any tips?
rigid sinew
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the headshot mult of shooters is higher than the one of strikers and the damage of the DMR ain't enough to 1-tap strikers most of the time
weary mesa
It can't one shot strikers from the front at all
rigid sinew
Hey, I'm on B2 and I just about finished it but idk what to type in the console ...
type COMMANDS, it should list all available commands for that terminal
weary mauve
@steel valley Here maths dump.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Br_2A3n3YDO1v0Kld27KCLvwRYKJqjliyhntoT2NTp4/edit#gid=381478729
According to this spreadsheet and the wiki, the DMR does 7.51 base damage, and the striker has 20 hp.
If the striker's "critspot" (head) is hit then the damage is multiplied by 3. 3 x 7.51 == 22.53.
Also the maths for a shooter headshot which does oneshot, multiplier is 5, and shooter hp is 30.
So 5 x 7.51 == 37.55, which is a kill, which holds true ingame.
weary mesa
Dmr precision multi prevents it from one hitting strikers
weary mesa
There's another multiplier that unique to each weapon that deal with how much of a precision multi they get
pure jay
type `COMMANDS`, it should list all available commands for that terminal
I did but it only shows the typical commands. The door I'm trying to go through is in emergency lockdown and is telling me to use unlock command to bypass
floral acorn
@shinypic
weary mauve
The DMR has a <1 multi
rigid sinew
I did but it only shows the typical commands. The door I'm trying to go through ...
maybe you are using the wrong terminal
would guide you but I already forgot the terminal numbers and stuff
floral acorn
shit. check #gtfo-technical-support (damn samsung dex)
weary mesa
Yes a lot of weapons have <1 multi
weary mauve
So that explains the maths
weary mesa
Only ones I know for sure don't are Sniper and Precision Rifle
weary mauve
Shotguns, Assault Rifle, And Bullpup have neutral 1 multi
Also another question, you know how most guns have a range, is that the range at which damage drop off starts or is it where damage drop off will start to increase more drastically?
steel valley
drop off is linear from the start of drop off to an endpoint of 0
weary mauve
Oh got it
pulsar sage
is each guns drop off rate the same? or are the endpoints always x away from the range
distant ice
Each gun is different
weary mauve
Does anyone know the max ammo capacity of the precision rifle?
noble sierra
12+41
weary mauve
Thanks
earnest frost
how do i know who is the host of the lobby?
ruby wasp
Press Esc, whoever has the option "Return to lobby" is the host
weary mesa
The person without sniper melee
ionic musk
Share hotkeys
minor fractal
Shotguns, Assault Rifle, And Bullpup have neutral 1 multi
AR is .8 unless it got buffed?
Although tbh that'd be a nerf.
pulsar sage
Although tbh that'd be a nerf.
how?
minor fractal
how?
It allows them to give weapons higher base damages
and sometimes it hits breakpoints that can scuff weapons.
3.5 x 3 = 10.5, head breaks, 4-shot kill.
3.5 x 3 x 0.8 = 8.4, head doesn't break, 3-shot kill.
In this situation, reduced precision damage is a buff.
pulsar sage
ok i see
topaz heron
is the circle crosshair accurate to the actual spread of the weapon?
dry pumice
Hey, does anyone know why the DMR doesn't oneshot strikers?
Despite what one might think - DMR is actually a support weapon. It doesn't one-shot strikers indeed, but it leaves them with a sliver of health and they'll be finished off by any stray bullet from your teammates.
Or you can switch to melee and smack them once.
dry pumice
is the circle crosshair accurate to the actual spread of the weapon?
In personal experience - no.
In previous rundown there was this cute little MAC-10 like SMG. It had gigantic crosshair, but was in reality much more accurate than it claims to be. I tested by shooting some walls.
topaz heron
In personal experience - no.
In previous rundown there was this cute little MAC-...
I thought I was going crazy
cause I'd have a shooters head fill the crosshair and still miss
or the other way around where they're far and shots are hitting
floral acorn
recommend make a habit of quick rightclick leftclick, espec if some distance to target
waveclear brrr notwithstanding but most weapons start bursting heads when so
stiff grove
If I'm the host of a lobby can I leave without sending everyone back to the start of the level?
dry pumice
Not sure actually
fierce oracle
It will host migrate
But depending on how the game feels it could just send everyone back to lobby anyways
distant ice
It's like checkpoints but even more unpredictable
dry pumice
Why saving game states is so hard...
verbal canopy
So I am still palying the main game and uh, is it possible to join a higher level reached lobby if I had passed like two levels?
floral acorn
u can join an e1 if someone invites u
ruby wasp
^
floral acorn
if you've done b1 and u join a c3 and complete it, u can't host a c2 after tho
verbal canopy
Oh, well then guess playing solo the campaign still works
floral acorn
sorry, a1, u can host c2 after b1 ig
..... point is join whatever level but can only host by own progression etc etc
verbal canopy
Right, got it and thanks
weary mauve
pulsar sage
<@111990475744944128> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Br_2A3n3YDO1v0Kld2...
great stuff thx
craggy pier
i think high cali is kinda wrong
distant ice
<@111990475744944128> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Br_2A3n3YDO1v0Kld2...
Ray was noting that ereggia might have made some mistakes
He just released the sheet and couldn't validate yet
craggy pier
i still don't get precision rifle
you get less refill than revolver, so you already lost at kill per refill for smalls, your stk for giants is worse and despite having double the mag size, your reload speed is abysmal
pulsar sage
well double magsize kinda helps to not reload that much and you have a thermal scope
craggy pier
the scope is a gimmick at best
pulsar sage
i like it in the dark and with fog
since the flashlight of revolver and precision rifle are not that great
steel valley
range + thermal + mag + scouts
pulsar sage
scouts works with revolver aswell tho
distant ice
Nope, precision mult
pulsar sage
true
distant ice
Precision rifle does significantly more damage per shot when weakspots are relevant
Its stats are good enough for it to be an alternative to revolver
Just the way the scope works bothers me and i keep getting tunnel vision with it
pulsar sage
both thermal scopes are a bit weird to use at first cause it zooms in more than the rest of the screen
floral acorn
pdw after ads'ing and letting go is useful until the gun drops to idle, points down. meh. :)
floral acorn
indeed, ty for remind
craggy pier
idle animation is too good to turn off
distant ice
It's a nice detail but it doesn't help play
Same as the flashlights pointing where the weapon points and moving a lot when you move
Technically nice detail but is obnoxious
Hate it
craggy pier
it helps with locating shadows
because your character points the gun upwards when your crosshair is on one
too helpful for me to turn it off
distant ice
First time i hear of that
floral acorn
khepri made a shadows guide, had a point-gun-gun-snaps-up section
pulsar sage
back to the revovlver where does the increased damage help compared to R6?
distant ice
No idea
craggy pier
easier to reach 15 dmg with special dmg boosters to two shot chargers
distant ice
But boosters don't deserve to be part of any balance discussion
pulsar sage
easier to reach 15 dmg with special dmg boosters to two shot chargers
sounds like a major buff there
soft kiln
slightly more efficient against bigs and bosses
weary mauve
@distant ice Gotcha
@pulsar sage Slight decrease in shots needed to kill big strikers and big shooters/hybrids
Big Striker 10 -> 9 shots
Big shooter 13 -> 11 shots
Body shots
Big shooter 7 -> 6
shots to the head
I guess this helps and you don't need to reload to kill it
latent obsidian
back to the revovlver where does the increased damage help compared to R6?
You can headshot scouts from the front now
weary mauve
You can?
latent obsidian
I've done so
I read other people saying the same and tried it
If someone has the new damage number for the revolver you can maths it out to check
distant ice
Shouldn't work yeah
latent obsidian
You're making me doubt what I've seen now...
weary mauve
Maths does work out if it's the back of the head
14.21 * 0.74 * 6 < 42
63.08 damage
For back of the head
latent obsidian
I'll have to check again. I could have sworn I got one from the front
weary mauve
All good, maybe bug?
latent obsidian
Didn't think I was running any special damage up that would do it either
dry pumice
spy's French laughing is heard in the distance
warm trench
Shouldn't the what I assume is the precision multiple be a 1.74 as opposed to a 0.74?
I'm not particularly well read on how this stuff works so just correct me.
warm trench
Ah, so I should stop aiming for the head :p
weary mauve
XD overall it does more damage to aim for the head
latent obsidian
No 😛 The enemies still have multipliers on their head that is 1.5-5*
latent obsidian
Choke mod is okay for it too I guess, but not if you have a sniper on your team
warm trench
OK, so the head has a damage multiplier that then the precision multiple takes a penalty off yeah?
tardy ingot
if sniper is on the team, dont shoot head unless its a frick ton of them
weary mauve
Yep
warm trench
Me dumb.
Me use PDW because I can actually see
latent obsidian
OK, so the head has a damage multiplier that then the precision multiple takes a...
and just in case you weren't aware there is a back damage multiplier that goes up to 2* when you are right behind them
weary mauve
And that CAN stack with the headshot multi
warm trench
I'm aware, I was just confused on how the precision multiple plays into this
latent obsidian
yeah the precision multi seems kinda counter-intuitive
weary mauve
So it awards bonus damage, just less than straight 3x or 2x the damage
tardy ingot
well its there so bodyshots arent trash
tardy ingot
because if you counter balance most guns to 1x body shots are weak pretty quick
warm trench
Imprecision multiplier when?
weary mauve
Imprecision multiplier when?
Just get behind them, no precision multi on a backshot, + multi from back
warm trench
Nahh sentry turret does the shooting, I'm just bait lmao
distant ice
Headshot mults and limb destruction really fuck with the game
weary mauve
because if you counter balance most guns to 1x body shots are weak pretty quick
Precision is only for headshots, counter balancing everything to 1x wont effect body shots, just more incentive to hit head as moar damage
distant ice
Should've made limbs hard to destroy and headshots not deal too much extra
distant ice
Precision is only for headshots, counter balancing everything to 1x wont effect ...
It does affect bodyshots indirectly
weary mauve
Limb destruction is good for staggering big dudes
distant ice
Breaking points mean that much more in gun balance and you can't make a weapon good without balancing it straight around that
weary mauve
Yeah, I get what you mean by affecting indirectly via balance, but you know what I meant XD
distant ice
Game's out for 7 rundowns and a lot of weapons have precision mult lower than 1 because they backed themselves into a corner with the ridiculous initial mults
weary mauve
True, would players like if the whole multi system for rebalanced?
distant ice
And they didn't want to make big changes in early access either which is why I'd say they didn't nerf enemy hs mults
Even though early access is exactly the time for that
weary mauve
I guess precision multis are dev tool to balance guns
distant ice
To a limited extent
Cuz if you lower it a bit too much suddenly headshots deal 0 extra damage to some enemies (see big striker)
0.7413 is a weirdly specific and common precision mult
I'm guessing related to what i just said
craggy pier
hc being the only 30 dmg special out of the 3 in this rundown to 3 shot and 2 shot dad and mom tumor respectively
amazing balans
karmic frigate
hc being the only 30 dmg special out of the 3 in this rundown to 3 shot and 2 sh...
What?
craggy pier
while shotgun and choke mod can pop them in 2 and 1 respectively
then again they're pellet based weapons so
distant ice
Nah it's just precision
karmic frigate
hc being the only 30 dmg special out of the 3 in this rundown to 3 shot and 2 sh...
Okay but what other specials could do that…?
Don’t say Scattergun
I stfg
distant ice
Bruh he just said
wooden osprey
scatter gun/bc/sniper/
distant ice
Okay but what other specials could do that…?
.
craggy pier
in this rundown
karmic frigate
Yeah and im saying name m- nevermind im too tired for this
distant ice
Hc sucks basically
craggy pier
ok so
choke mod and shotgun can pop mom tumor in 1 shot and dad tumor in 2 shots
distant ice
Hc is a direct downgrade from hel rifle
wooden osprey
yes
karmic frigate
Yeah I don’t like HC
craggy pier
i'm comparing the 3 because they're all 30 dmg specials
distant ice
i'm comparing the 3 because they're all 30 dmg specials
With similar refill ammo and purpose
wooden osprey
Bad
can you say why its bad (or is it bad for you?)
basically what stormpooper said about it being a downgrade of hel rifle
pulsar sage
You can headshot scouts from the front now
ok conflicting infos so i try myself and will report here what i manage to find out
latent obsidian
I thought so but numbers indicate not
karmic frigate
Depends on it’s damage and precision mult
distant ice
Not to the front according to numbers
karmic frigate
Yeah thought so
pulsar sage
well this spreadsheet doesnt seem correct in everything so might just try
latent obsidian
yeah let us know
Would be great to know I wasn't going crazy but I won't get my hopes up
distant ice
It isn't but i wasn't looking at spreadsheet numbers
pulsar sage
oh ok what numbers you got?
latent obsidian
I guess even if it doesn't one shot from the front it WILL increase the angles behind that you can shoot it from
floral acorn
b1 has a scout right after first easy alarm, someone pop in, revolver frontal a scout, see what happens
karmic frigate
well this spreadsheet doesnt seem correct in everything so might just try
Whay spreadsheet?
latent obsidian
Oh well, my bad.
karmic frigate
The GTFO weapon spreadsheet?
pulsar sage
<@111990475744944128> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Br_2A3n3YDO1v0Kld2...
this
distant ice
oh ok what numbers you got?
Datamined
soft crater
b1 has a scout right after first easy alarm, someone pop in, revolver frontal a ...
I dont think people accounted for precision bonus kek.
floral acorn
revolver can kill a scout frontal, just run close and spam :) .. last shot can even accidentally hit head :D
soft crater
Spamming yes kek
Until the other person whips out Big IRON HIGH CALIBER
Then again. Precision rifle is essentially a Revolver that can front scouts and has Thermal sights
I still don't understand why it has full auto functionality but eh
soft crater
Sounds like hacks or just a unconventional method of taking out a scout
Like how people tell you can revolver a Charger scout but you dont see people doing it.
floral acorn
hinoki or tnenpi or someone made the "all weapons and scouts" vid, kinda remember it showing a har-kill, not sure tho
dry pumice
I mean... Why take the risk, right?
soft crater
Revolver got a recoil nerf too this rundown iirc
Well
Buff**
Yeah tnenpi did a HAR scout kill
pearl abyss
Where is the Collection Case in B1??
soft crater
I imagine that's harder to do with the recoil nerf but imo that's just recoil controll skill issue
dry pumice
Where is the Collection Case in B1??
In the far away room
soft crater
Where is the Collection Case in B1??
distant ice
I imagine that's harder to do with the recoil nerf but imo that's just recoil co...
recoil was reduced
how would it be harder
noble sierra
Terminal is always your friend if you want to find something.
distant ice
oh you meant har
soft crater
Yeye
Honestly the hipfire recoil is a bit much
But it's contesting the power har has now at least
distant ice
i haven't used it much since i'm tired of it from R6
but it still seemed plenty usable to me
dropped in with rev
didn't oneshot scout
soft crater
People didnt account for precision bonus
noble sierra
Revolver still need back damage to kill a scout.
soft crater
Ye
This makes it so revo can do it at a bit longer range I'm pretty sure
Otherwise it's just headshot gun
(For grunts or people who wanna. High noon back shot giants)
distant ice
i also went through all SMG versions and AR
pdw would be good but its scope gives me the same tunnel vision problem
making the actually perform worse
smg and ar are good enough though they make me feel like i'd rather use a semi-auto
and carbine is actually the best one among those
latent obsidian
Not being able to see incoming shooter projectiles through the thermal scope is kinda sad
dry pumice
pdw would be good but its scope gives me the same tunnel vision problem
Real shit
Why the fuck would they give a mid range tunnel vision scope to a CQC gun that has horrible recoil on top
It would be so bad if hip fire was laser precision or something, but it isn't.
distant ice
wouldn't*
distant ice
Not being able to see incoming shooter projectiles through the thermal scope is ...
that too
pistol i would say is my best weapon but the range is so sad
hel rev still outperforms everything
fuck bullpup
and hel shotgun is pretty damn strong at holding its own, the reload is something to look out for though
and for dmr i'm just not a fan of it
dry pumice
Why everyone hates Bullpup so much. Is long reload really that bad?
distant ice
yes
distant ice
and even without that it's just an smg with no recoil
which is fun but not that usable
dry pumice
Would increasing damage help?
distant ice
no
ruby wasp
If you compare it with HEL Rev that can reload much faster (with cancel), HEL Rev does a much greater job
increase the reload speed
distant ice
i tried all primaries under the same conditions and bullpup got me closest to death
and it's absolutely because of the reload
when you have teammates to cover you it may be different but in solo you can't afford to just stand still like a clown for 3 seconds
dry pumice
Hm, I see. I still like the thing but I have to agree that the reload is painful.
fierce oracle
what's funnier about the bullpup is that the animation for reloading it is longer than what the data block says 
dry pumice
Then again I don't mind relying on mates to cover me while I'm reloading the big bullet box.
I'm one of few masochists who doesn't mind reloading times if what'd between them has something to offer. And Bullpup can't really say much for itself besides being laser precise. The damage doesn't feel big enough to justify downtimes.
Then again maybe I'm just missing.
viscid wolf
if you're playing with a capable premade then bullpup is pretty strong
turbid horizon
bullpup is insane if you know your group well
viscid wolf
honestly though my biggest problem is how fast it burns through ammo
turbid horizon
hmmm for me that was always heavy AR
viscid wolf
well har just has a low ammo count
viscid wolf
bullpup just has a ridiculous rpm
viscid wolf
bullpup stats aren't particularly extraordinary
it feels really good to use though
distant ice
until the reload comes yes
turbid horizon
honestly for me, Hel Shotgun has become my primary of choice
distant ice
i'm not telling you not to use the bullpup
viscid wolf
oh yeah I'm just saying thats the best selling point :3
my favorite loadout is Bullpup/HEL Revo + Sniper/PR
turbid horizon
I usually go bullpup/AR and Choke mod, or Hel Shotgun and MG
viscid wolf
though gotta be honest haven't found a level where sniper has been useful
turbid horizon
I need a fast shooty and a shotgun
pulsar sage
though gotta be honest haven't found a level where sniper has been useful
i was about to ask xD
viscid wolf
I have a fast shooty
turbid horizon
Hel Shotgun is what I feel Sawed off was trying to be
viscid wolf
i was about to ask xD
I've bringing it blind and most of my bullets go into smalls 
turbid horizon
not even the 3 bullets, the 12 total makes it feel meh
pulsar sage
would you play it if the 18 stayed?
pulsar sage
it is basicly xD
turbid horizon
I do miss my baby burst rifle tho
distant ice
and how many of them make it as effortless as a single point and click?
the sniper cannot have good stats because of how easy to use it is
it doesn't get much easier than it
karmic frigate
honestly for me, Hel Shotgun has become my primary of choice
Yeah it’s fun
turbid horizon
the rate of fire is what really sold it to me
distant ice
and how many of them make it as effortless as a single point and click?
at any range btw
turbid horizon
at any range btw
maybe if they gave it a thermal scope, 12 would be ok
I think thermal might've made the sniper worth the lower ammo count
turbid horizon
nah for like general use
distant ice
i guess
icy nacelle
Thermals just feel wrong to me, even if you just took the current scope and made it have thermal vision as opposed to the box scopes on the PDW/Precision it would probably still feel too jarring IMO Once I ADS.
distant ice
same
pulsar sage
i mean i have still some lvl to play and explore but so far i am not sure if the sniper would have outperformed the shotguns by a decent amount
i get the range argument tho
distant ice
honestly the thermal scopes are a minus when fighting and just an extra mini-tool in stealth
except for shadows
pulsar sage
Thermals just feel *wrong* to me, even if you just took the current scope and ma...
precision feels ok cause i only use it for medium high range but PDW at closerange is really weird
karmic frigate
precision feels ok cause i only use it for medium high range but PDW at closeran...
Hip-fire
distant ice
and random objects light up thermals somehow
karmic frigate
PDW Hip-fire is great
pulsar sage
i do but why thermal scope then