new wave has a timer that depends on alive enemies
#gtfo-related-questions
minor fractal
Right, over a certain threshold it won't start another wave.
spark wolf
and additionally it also wont spawn if the minimum amount of enemies it wants to spawn no longer fit in the 25 enemy cap
which is what applies to first wave too
minor fractal
You can have groups in queue, yep.
rocky linden
Do we need to pick up artifacts on other levels to increase our heat?
Or how exactly do we restore heat
noble sierra
Yes, picking up artifacts on a level decrease the heat of that level and increase the heat of all other levels.
rocky linden
What are some of the better levels for farming them?
exotic lantern
C2 PE :)
noble sierra
A2/A3 are good for solos. Two expeditions can't sustain the heat though, you might consider do some A1/B1 solo.
I'll recommend just play with random team in lfg, farming boosters is a moonshot IMO.
finite plinth
the best way to farm artifacts is by playing the game
naive coral
i do not understand this matchmaking process, why can't we just start our own lobby outside of Discord?
this is very confusing
How do i get a lobby code
vital sierra
craggy pier
Best way to farm artifacts is trashing your boosters
vital sierra
best way to farm artifacts is to rob the warden
earnest pulsar
best way to find artifact is a long range flashlight
uneven drift
best way is a long range flashlight to find artifact
wise thicket
I use the artifacts to find the artifacts
faint spire
Small solo question but how does one get past the class 3 cluster alarm in A1
craggy pier
πͺ
minor fractal
Save foam, make the most of your mines, shoot good, and πͺ
shrewd dirge
foam mine, kite, kill off the remainder of the wave with the free door you have
uneven drift
Small solo question but how does one get past the class 3 cluster alarm in A1
You need only one mine, the rest you can shoot while doing the scans to finish the alarm before more enemies spawn
heady quartz
why is that when i kill a sleeper red lines show up sometimes and orange lines show up but both lines the sleeper dies
it's very confusing trying to kill them, thinking i've missed when i actually havent
tropic ferry
red is regular orange is kill but they dont work properly iirc
distant ice
Back damage isn't factored in for hit markers
broken bison
Hello!
I would like to give feedback but I don't seem to find the appropriate channel to do so. Since the team asked for some feedback a while back. Where would be the most appropriate place to do so?
dapper nimbus
Sadly, the ending term for the Google form was last Monday. But no worries- I believe that they look quite a lot around here, so just leave your thoughts in #gtfo-chat or the gen chat and if you have game suggestions you can use the server's bot to post a suggestion in #gtfo-game-suggestions!
lilac fulcrum
I'm around a lot reading conversations and feedback
woven tinsel
Sup Doc.
Just a quick question to ask though, uh-
What is the extreme objective for C2 again? I think Overload was the reactor, but I just need a reminder.
dapper nimbus
Hey Doc 
uneven gulchBOT
You can find the Official GTFO Wiki here: https://gtfo.gamepedia.com/GTFO_Wiki
woven tinsel
Much appreciated, bro.
gusty coral
I have yet to find clearance on how to actually pass the overload side objective in A2. Some people tell me to ignore the babies and kill the big one first (in which case I die to the babies in a matter of seconds) and my own brain says kill some of the babies first and then target the big one. Anyone have like a stable strategy to pass the overload thing with relative ease?
vital sierra
I have yet to find clearance on how to actually pass the overload side objective...
kill babies, force birther to birth babies, kill those babies while she's birthing, try to c foam her while she's birthing and make sure to bring fog repeller, kill her
she will at least 80% going to birth more baby
so just let it happen
craggy pier
1 mine, 1 bio, 2 foam : ^ )
minor fractal
I have yet to find clearance on how to actually pass the overload side objective...
She won't spawn if she doesn't have LoS, and if you're fast enough with a c-foam grenade you can foam her before she spawns her first set of babies. She's very hard to catch when she's spawning fog and running around, so you're best off doing damage either while she's foamed or while she's spawning babies. Hide around a corner to buy time and either wait for her to come to you or rush out to fight her at an opportune time. If she survives after her first spawn, you should try to find another corner to hide around so that you can get the jump on her a second time.
distant ice
very hard to hit when it fkn runs away into a corner with half her body inside the wall 
mellow salmon
Or just ignore her and pick up the overload objective and extract, but there's no fun in that
neon gust
Kill all babies go inside and grab the hdd
uneven drift
Best strat (if you are more than 2 people) is to simply charge at hear with c foam grenads and foam her while the door is opening (obviously either by walking or b hopping)
if you run then you are gonna trigger her sooner than if you were b hopping or just simply walking
vital sierra
She won't spawn if she doesn't have LoS, and if you're fast enough with a c-foam...
idk the whole no LOS = no birth
because there is a clip in #gtfo-media that prove that she straight up birth if you in the same zone at her for too long
spark wolf
rushing is horrible based on rng
not a good strat
there could be 20+ sleeping babies in the room
and you'll get fucked
there could also be 2 and it'll be fine
if you want a reliable strat you should indeed wait and kill the babies that were sleeping first + maybe kill first birthing too
total team health will also matter a lot if you choose to rush
while being less important if you focus on the actual threat being the babies
minor fractal
I think the baby count is probably relatively constant?
minor fractal
They'd have to have put some effort into randomizing the amount.
||I can go check, but I've never had only 2-5 babies in A2 or D1.||
spark wolf
it seems very similar to your average A tier first zone rng
minor fractal
I'll look then, ||that's just because group 0 diff 0 has a whole bunch of groups, and while some are pretty small others are really big.||
gusty coral
I ran in there my first time and there was over 20 babies, we did chill quite a long time in the room before opening the door tho, that might've affected the amount of babies in there then.
craggy pier
There's sleeping babies in A2 overload + the babies from the mother : ^ )
tacit zealot
In my experience, the room doesn't actually wake up until the bulkhead door has finished opening, so there's enough time if you go through the bulkhead immediately to get to the mother before the room fully wakes up, and it should buy you enough time to cfoam grenade and kill it, before the sleeping babies do much damage
Never had like 5 babies lol
minor fractal
I don't think most newer players could do that w/out getting wrecked by babies.
Especially since most newer players take forever to kill it.
mellow salmon
If you have the ammo, there's nearly no risk in just killing the first spawn of babies, waiting outside the door for her to come zooming and cfoaming her
tacit zealot
As long as two people have combat shotgun it should be fine, I've ran it a few times but yeah definetly a risky strat
mellow salmon
It's at least much more organized to teach new players how to deal with mothers
minor fractal
Pump is probably better as a boss/baby killer.
Unless CS is really good for baby killing if used in a special way.
neon gust
Cs was always king on babies
You dont even need to be that close
Machinegun, cs, auto sentry are great for babies
mellow salmon
Machinegun besto
tacit zealot
SMG
gusty coral
@mellow salmon 
New player friendly
earnest pulsar
Audio log QVC-911-POP-4.log located in A3, the right objective terminal, is that Liam Neeson?
next lagoon
anybody know about what the deal with the axe is?
minor fractal
?
topaz anvil
Axes are sharp. I prefer to use a hammer
next lagoon
ive seen 2 people with an axe melee weapon
topaz anvil
Mods
minor fractal
^
topaz anvil
Any weapon that you see people using that you can't access is modded in
next lagoon
alright i figured. i was just wondering
primal epoch
can spitters wake up sleepers i've had this happen 4 times so gotta confirm
shrewd dirge
yes
indigo quiver
I thought modding the game was bannable
or was that datamining
please do not post any content related to modding (screenshots, videos, links to modding resources, etc) or run modded games while using the voice channels on this Discord server Nevermind
shrewd dirge
modding and or cheating while interacting with people in the main server can get you banned/warned from the main server.
boreal cobalt
I've got a question about Boosters
What does the Muted / Bold / Aggressive mean on them? is it depending on enemy state
weary mesa
boreal cobalt
Thanks, appreciate it
minor fractal
``` please do not post any content related to modding (screenshots, videos, link...
They did a bunch of rule changes. Datamining is allowed in #gtfo-spoiler-chat and they'll no longer go after people for modding outside of the official Discord.
distant ice
Datamining to a vague extent
raw crane
So how do tool uses and mines work. Does each tool give like 1.5 and the fractional value is just hidden?
raw crane
Also how much -melee damage can you stack before not being able to 1 tap scout (not occuput)
distant ice
~30%
shrewd dirge
just keep in mind, scouts have different values from charger scouts, so if you front+back a charger scout with any melee reduction, you might be fucked.
raw crane
Didn't even know front + back was enough for charger scout, always thought it was 2 back
shrewd dirge
its possible, just risky for a variety of reasons, but that 4-5% of the time that it will fail can really put you under.
but make no mistake, front+back without negative melee is just enough to kill it. any less and it will probably fail.
versed gorge
What does sr sentry stand for? sniper rifle?
versed gorge
thanks
versed gorge
little help pls how can I kill a scout with no mines? The last time we tried to gun him down but it didnt work
(we died)
jolly zealot
Most guns will let you kill him in one shot, but for some you'll need to be closer or shoot to the back/head.
A better option is to learn to hammer him (full charge to the head), you'll need that skill for harder tiers
distant ice
Most guns will let you kill him in one shot, but for some you'll need to be clos...
most being one primary and rest depends on whether you count back damage
craggy pier
little help pls how can I kill a scout with no mines? The last time we tried to ...
Use your special and go for the head : ^ )
Or be a chad and melee the head
versed gorge
thanks, we got detected while searching for a solution and died
fading tangle
just shove the scout and hammer it :^)
craggy pier
Just πͺ
lavish gorge
Can one shove hit multiple sleepers?
spark wolf
yes
tropic raven
what does the artifact heat do?
indigo quiver
if you pick up an artifact at 100% heat it would give... .15 progress towards your next booster. if you pick it up at 40 it would give like .04
viscid wolf
ah yes proper scaling right here
steel valley
0.06
red hatch
Does the Sniper Sentry pierce through enemies to hit the ones behind too?
exotic lantern
no
cursive musk
if me and my buddy host a lobby can people join us randomly with matchmaking?
tropic ferry
if you pick up an artifact at 100% heat it would give... .15 progress towards yo...
wait when did they change it from .1 to .15
lilac fulcrum
if me and my buddy host a lobby can people join us randomly with matchmaking?
Not yet but it's a planned feature
distant ice
wait when did they change it from .1 to .15
1st patch after r5
Which was what, 7 days after r5 came out?
dusky timber
In a 4 player game, does the extraction zone percentage increase faster with more people inside?
distant ice
In any sized game except for cargo extractions
obsidian depot
what is the range requirement of the Short ranged sentry damage boosters?
dapper nimbus
Range... requirement?
vital sierra
what is the range requirement of the Short ranged sentry damage boosters?
nobody really tested it
obsidian depot
ah
vital sierra
should be 7 meters
obsidian depot
that's kinda ass
vital sierra
if it's use the same term as any other gun
vital sierra
that's kinda ass
not really
if you place the sentry correctly
it could be overpower
obsidian depot
aside from burst sentry not sure if it'd be useful
vital sierra
as 1 of my teammate did it B3 speedrun
obsidian depot
and running burst sentry in this economy π₯²
vital sierra
auto sentry can wipe the entire wave if you place it right
but put it right is a whole problem on it own
obsidian depot
doesn't auto sentry do less than 1 damage per bullet
vital sierra
you can put it so it aim behind enemy for extra damage
and because it's auto sentry, it can also stagger
if you put it like, a "best" spot
you can loop the enemy with damage - stagger - damage making them die really quick
faint spire
How tight is the timing for double meleeing charger scouts
vital sierra
0.7 second
1st hammer will stagger the charger scout if the host it's the first to hammer = 0.7 second
faint spire
So u need the host to hit it first or it wont stagger?
vital sierra
if the client with a decent ping (more than 100) hammer the scout then you could have more than 0.7 second
kind goblet
Quick question, me and my friends are trying to PE a2 right now, and we haven't found a single C foam grenade throughout all of high and extreme and we wanna do the birther bulkhead, should we go through the other blooddoor and hope for a cfoam nade?
vital sierra
Quick question, me and my friends are trying to PE a2 right now, and we haven't ...
if you have mine, go for it
vital sierra
1 mine can kill a lot of enemy
if there's still enemy, you can find an empty room with a door
put another mine if you want to be safe
vital sierra
oh
kind goblet
and heavy smg
vital sierra
that's easy then
kind goblet
even without freezing the birther?
kind goblet
yup we got one
vital sierra
ye
kill babies
1 toss in while other kill the birther babies
as she's birthing she will stand still
you will only need 1 (2 for safety) to just camp the babies
spawnkill them
when she's birthing, 2 teammates gang on and shoot her while other 2 kill babies
if she's not dead
prepare fog turbine
she will spit out fog after birthing
if you have c foam launcher
SUPER GREAT
kind goblet
sadly no
kind goblet
sounds great, tysm for the help
vital sierra
the plan basically is, "she's going the birth more babies anyway, let's just let her birth and kill her on the spot"
kind goblet
Awesome, we did it. A lot easier than I expected lol. I was stressing over not finding any c foam, but it really was simple.
subtle summit
How The Hell Do You Beat C1
vital sierra
bring sniper
bring c foam
last terminal 1 terminal guy, 2 defends
last guy go back to spawn with decent amount of ammo
all 3 stay and fight after finishing last terminal (if high only)
if you also do extreme
watch Schaler video
subtle summit
Thank You Kind Sir
subtle summit
Our Host For C1 Alt+F4'd Then The Level Reloaded But When We Activated The Alarm The Scouts And Big Bois Triggered And Walked Through The Class S Door, Is This A Bug Or Feature?
distant ice
it's host migration and it's fucked up
if host leaves most of the time you're better off returning to lobby and dropping in again
lilac fulcrum
We're working on fixing various HM bug π
dapper nimbus
I've noticed that on certain expeditions I have more fps than others. Like, for example, when using a fog repeller/turbine, I gain about 15-20 more fps or so, or in certain areas with less light.
Is there a possibility that lighting and fog will be worked on more in the future for less-capable computers? ^^
lilac fulcrum
optimization is always something on our mind and being worked on
dapper nimbus
Glad to hear it.
spark wolf
So u need the host to hit it first or it wont stagger?
host first is the bad idea there
because what host sees is what actually happens
and what host does, actually happens
if a client hits the scout after seeing the host hit the scout that's latency x2
once for seeing the hit from the host
and another for your hit registering
let a client go first and then host can follow with actual realtime
if it's client first and then host, your only delay is the reaction time of host
distant ice
if it's client first and then host, your only delay is the reaction time of host
also need the hope that it actually shows your teammate charging and hitting
minor fractal
let a client go first and then host can follow with actual realtime
Basically what our static does, I call the timings and then Spider is just watching for my swing when I call it.
Btw, I was able to get charger scouts to turn but only if they survived the hit initially.
If I had to guess, missed kills are the back multiplier on client being inconsistent, probably related to latency.
flat goblet
May I ask? about biometric security clearance required why i didn't see any changes? there was only red circle but it wont turn to green circle?
flat goblet
may i send screenshot? so you can understand about
ruby wasp
he's talking about the team scan after inputting a command in a terminal
ruby wasp
I don't think he knows that orange scans are team scans
Thus was wondering why inputing the command wasn't enough to trigger it
cerulean quiver
Whatre the best guns to use in your opinionβs?
red hatch
Can the giant striker's tongue hit multiple players at the same time?
ruby wasp
Whatre the best guns to use in your opinionβs?
Completely depends on what i want to do
red hatch
Okay thanks, can the giant striker's melee swings hit multiple players?
distant ice
yes
errant coral
We just started playing again after a long time, is an Invader an AI or something? it got in a room with a scout and alerted it
ruby wasp
It's not an AI
it's a dude that finds it funny to join random lobbies and mess up everything
ruby wasp
As long as the devs don't implement friends-only/password-protected lobbies it won't end tbh
The thing is all lobbies start with the same numbers
So he probably has a tool that tries out all possible lobby IDs then join whatever he finds
lilac fulcrum
It's something we're aware of and looking into best options to resolve this issue. It sucks that people think it's funny to grief others.
errant coral
yeah we just got invaded again and he shot us with a shotgun
pretty sad
but it is what it is for now
but there's always people like this in the world
craggy pier
Everyone should go on invisible and private mode for now, and only DM codes.
earnest pulsar
you can just make your steam profile private and then only dm codes to people
craggy pier
Too many "edgy" players.
lilac nimbus
code wasn't shared in this case
craggy pier
^^^
cobalt fossil
It's something we're aware of and looking into best options to resolve this issu...
Simple vote kick in the lobby would it. its unfortunate because ppl invade almost everytime a lobby is empty now, and I'm pretty sure that a couple of new players started a game with friends, got invaded, and refunded the game immediately
uneven drift
I am getting low fps for some reason. I usually am playing with like constant 170 fps on a 1440p res but now Im getting 110 fps idle and when in the middle of the scan I drop all the way to 60 FPS. My GPU for some reason is at 50% utilization. Anyone know what I can do?
errant coral
So what do the boosters do exactly? i have like a muted health booster. all i noticed is i started with a 20% medkit
but im not sure about the booster
ruby wasp
Place your mouse over the bonus to see what it does
Also there is no booster that makes you start with a resource
errant coral
hmm well strange cos we started a new rundown and i had 20% health pack to begin with xD
and thats the thing im not sure about what the booster does
errant coral
muted health something xD
and it was with human proximity
but i have a feeling it might just heal for more when i use medkit or something
ruby wasp
then it's med efficiency
errant coral
i'll figure it out at some point when i get another 1
humble flax
Are the small red dots on the biotracker a bug or does that actually mean something?
indigo quiver
white means dormant, red means moving
so white would be sleeping sleepers, red would be scouts, awake sleepers, etc
humble flax
Yeah but occasionally I see a small red dot and it corresponds to a dormant sleeper.
indigo quiver
if its the little triangle above a sleeping enemy its probably a bug, if its above something moving its probably a Scout
pearl badger
no he means the buggy red dots
they are a bug but they symbolize sleepers that are there, they can be both a scout moving or sleeping ones
humble flax
Ok, for a while i assumed it may have a meaning to it i'd figure out at some point but it just seems like a bug
pearl badger
Yea, it sucks though, cuz when they are like that, you cant ping them
woven tinsel
The tiny red dots?
I assumed they're to indicate a sleeper on a floor above/below you.
craggy pier
No. They are a visual bug.
red hatch
If a sleeper is hammered, and another sleeper is very close and wakes up by proximity, does that mean that glowing sleepers further away won't wake up at the same time?
red hatch
yes
Unfortunately can confirm that... my two friends and I tried to hammer our first ever giant just now, for some reason it woke up before we could get in all our swings and downed 2 of us with one big swipe, which probably led to our not being able to survive the remainder of the level
vital sierra
If a sleeper is hammered, and another sleeper is very close and wakes up by prox...
yes
red hatch
Whoa! The famous Captain Alpha! I watched your videos!
vital sierra
appreciated, thanks you
lilac fulcrum
Simple vote kick in the lobby would it. its unfortunate because ppl invade almos...
Kick is coming, check the roadmap backlog
uneven gulchBOT
Simple vote kick in the lobby would it. its unfortunate because ppl invade almos...
You can view the roadmap here: https://gtfothegame.com/roadmap
red hatch
What determines if a scout will kneel or not when sending out feelers other than that it happens more often for the game host?
distant ice
Always kneels for host
For client would guess depends on connection but no consistency
They're supposed to always kneel
red hatch
Always kneels for host
Hmm... but it seems like even experienced players still sometimes prefer to pull entire rooms by sniping a scout than allowing the host to clobber its big exposed noggin' ?
It looks so easy when it's kneeling
distant ice
Easier when standing if you ask me
cobalt fossil
Kick is coming, check the roadmap backlog
Oh yeah I know, I was talking vote kick has in something to add soon in a fix/patch, not a long term feature
distant ice
Either way i don't know what counts as experienced or what kind of rooms we're talking about
cobalt fossil
Because if ppl have to wait until say R6 for a votekick option thats a lot of ppl who are gonna get frustrated with the invades
vital sierra
you can force a scout to kneel as a client
red hatch
Easier when standing if you ask me
Wouldn't it be easier to accidentally hit the shoulders of a standing scout as compared to if it's blocking the view of its shoulders by tilting the head entirely towards you while kneeling?
distant ice
When it's standing you can just not give a fuck about where he's walking, which way he's facing, or whether he's about to spread feelers, since his head isn't gonna go anywhere suddenly
But in practice it's mostly the point that it's easier to get them from behind
Besides when kneeling their head hitbox isn't everywhere where you'd expect
It's way too easy to hit the neck
red hatch
you can force a scout to kneel as a client
How could a client do that?
red hatch
But in practice it's mostly the point that it's easier to get them from behind
What's the advantage of approaching them from behind if they detect sound and send out feelers in all directions?
vital sierra
How could a client do that?
shine light at it
sometime they just sync on their own and start kneeling
distant ice
Even if the feelers detect you you have plenty of time to hit
red hatch
I guess maybe the host doesn't want the risk, even if very small, of messing up and potentially costing 2 hours of their friends' time
Do any of the R5 A or B levels have an early scout that would be quick to practice repeatedly on?
distant ice
B1 has plenty
red hatch
Okay thanks, I'll practice
craggy pier
A2 extreme has two : ^ )
finite plinth
c2 is quite early as well if you unlocked it
modest nest
Heya there, sadly we do not encourage modding here or the speaking of modding. It's not supported by the developers as of right now, if you really wanna talk about it, I suggest you DM them or join the unofficial modding server, the links to it can be found in both the FAQ and rules channel!
obsidian depot
any consistent ways to break foamed doors and still have them reopen?
wooden osprey
nope but it can happen sometimes
obsidian depot
what's the trigger?
vital sierra
any consistent ways to break foamed doors and still have them reopen?
host use c foam
obsidian depot
i c
vital sierra
anything host do will still
covert apex
Heya there, sadly we do not encourage modding here or the speaking of modding. I...
Wonβt this change after full release?
modest nest
I think our CM is the best to answer this question cause I have no idea, so let me ping him @lilac fulcrum
distant ice
It's an eventual goal, not straight on release
covert apex
Interesting...
lilac fulcrum
Per #faq it's something that could be added at a later date, but we don't make any promises, as we need to focus on the core game first
pearl badger
oh doc, what do you guys mean by back end logic for new players? @lilac fulcrum
lilac fulcrum
it's back-end changes related to new players
indigo quiver
What does docred even mean? I looked it up and it said document-level relation extraction dataset? Probably a programming thing right?
lilac fulcrum
@modest nest sneezes
modest nest
What does docred even mean? I looked it up and it said document-level relation ...
I believe it is just his good ol' username that he has had for years lmao.
distant ice
what's the origin story of the nick
spark wolf
when docr6d when
indigo quiver
Docr12d
open hound
"Updated back-end logic for new players" What does it mean?
open hound
π€£ most popular question all day. Still no answer
That is menacing and spooky
lilac fulcrum
it means literally what it says
it's an update that is needed in order to adjust back-end logic related to new players
like.. literally
indigo quiver
Apparently itβs hard to understand
And ppl think itβs a gameplay mechanic
Tl;dr answer in #gtfo-spoiler-chat
patent locust
Hi, is 23693 the latest build? There was an update today, idk if steam has downloaded it already...
shrewd dirge
Hi, is 23693 the latest build? There was an update today, idk if steam has downl...
mine is 23986
version number 0.77
patent locust
Ok, thanks. Then I'll see how I'll get the update π
shrewd dirge
Ok, thanks. Then I'll see how I'll get the update π
if it hasnt, the common recommendation for games is to restart steam.
patent locust
I restarted it 3 times π
shrewd dirge
I restarted it 3 times π
are you encountering problems playing with other players?
patent locust
I didn't try to play with others. I first want to have my game up to date to avoid problems.
shrewd dirge
it generally will stop you playing with other players if something is mismatched
patent locust
Ah I see. But for now I just recheck my game integrity.
And I got the update - solved. π
woeful kiln
How much Trip Mine Damage% to one shot Hybrids
minor fractal
||100ish and you need 300, so +200%; if you get head crit, you only need +50%||
topaz anvil
It's been a while since I last saw anything about this but I'm assuming there will be plans for different languages in full release right
ruby dock
how do i kill a fukin shooter inside a wall
or will we just have combat music going the whole run
obsidian depot
if you're a couple of rooms away with doors closed it should end the combat music
but sometimes you just get shooters using cheese spots and there's not much you can do about it
vital sierra
it can't do anything to you either
red hatch
Do the scout's feelers have hitboxes that could block a hammer swing?
distant ice
No
obsidian depot
why does steroids in bioscan exist
vital sierra
well
standing still and monster coming your way
it would scare normal people shitless
brisk pewter
how possible is it to play this game alone? i don't want an answer like "you can't". i want to know what options there are because i know there's like turrets in the game
distant ice
You perfectly can drop in alone in all missions so far
What levels in R5 haven't been solod?
feral lily
You can but from the looks of it you're going to have a rough time if you're expecting it to happen for you quickly
In fact, if you want it to happen quickly at all, considering how long room clearing can take
tacit zealot
D1 Ext and E1 no solo, everything else has been sector cleared solo.
feral lily
Y'got any video links? I'm curious about seeing how it's done by different people
tacit zealot
Which levels? I would recommedn vods by T-nenpi LargestBoy and Hinoki on YT
I think those 3 should cover all the hard levels
feral lily
Danke, appreciate it
tacit zealot
Hinoki AFAIK is the only one to do C3 sector solo
minor fractal
D2 has been soloed?
red hatch
The mine deployer seems to gain 1 or 2 mines from a tool refill, is there a standard pattern? It usually seems like for example, 0 increases to 2, and 5 to 7? But sometimes a tool refill only restores a single mine? Asking because it could help in deciding how many mines to use in a setting
feral lily
So is it worth deploying one so that you're on the "get two" part of the pattern then picking it back up?
woeful kiln
So is it worth deploying one so that you're on the "get two" part of the pattern...
No beacuse: Fractions.
placing Mines won't change it (i think)
distant ice
that's not how it works
say you had 5.5 actual and placed one, you have 4.5, not 4 or 5 suddenly
feral lily
wait what
woeful kiln
it's basic math
feral lily
If having 0 gives you two then surely you'd be able to deply all your mines then use a pck, pick your mines up and have the benefit of a two gain over a risked one gain
red hatch
So if it's 20% of 8 or 1.6 mines per tool refill, the pattern will always be:
0 > 1.6 (2) > 3.2 (3) > 4.8 (5) > 6.4 (6) > 8 (8)
Is that right? And the decimal is hidden but remains there when -1 from using a mine, and the remaining decimal is inaccessible if not filled to an integer increment?
distant ice
the ammo you have and the ammo you get are both fractions
distant ice
So if it's 20% of 8 or 1.6 mines per tool refill, the pattern will always be:
0 ...
can't say on exact mechanics, we don't actually know where the breaking point is (though most likely on .0), and max ammo might be something weird like 8.5 too
feral lily
You're telling me my character is at all times holding half a mine
woeful kiln
Yes.
distant ice
welcome to game logic
feral lily
fucking unity
woeful kiln
nothing to do with unity lol
red hatch
lol if only it were a simple 2 mines per pack
distant ice
i mean unity does love floats for everything but yeah
feral lily
That was intended as a joke
I work in ue4 at least unity can write 0.1 and not 0.99998997
distant ice
this shit happens in unity too actually
feral lily
Anyway the point I wanted to make, essentially, is that you're reclaiming your charges when you pick a mine back up, and that's always a set 1.0 mine
red hatch
Cause I've seen times where there were 4 mines and "50%" listed as ammo amount, but two refills filled the pool to 8 mines at "100%". Even though 2 x 20% = 40% not 50%
feral lily
So if you've got no mines, and use a pack, you get 1.6 mines, sure, whatever, but that's a guaranteed two charges, right? Picking up a mine off the floor I'd previously deployed would HAVE to make my amount of uses go up by one
woeful kiln
grabbing and placing mines is just a +1.0/-1.0 mines
woeful kiln
i'm confused
distant ice
you can't be sure that you actually were at 0 when your HUD says you have 0
feral lily
I have two mines. I deploy one, and use a pack. I now have two mines and one deployed
feral lily
I have two miunes, I deploy two, I use a pack, now I have two mines, AND two dfeployed
3 vs 4 after reclaiming the deployed mines
red hatch
I think deployed mines still count as yours
woeful kiln
how can u be so sure u were at 0.0
red hatch
Cause I tried to do that and it didn't seem to work
distant ice
one of which is deployed* but again you're missing logic here
woeful kiln
deploying mines won't let you get more mines
feral lily
If I reclaim a mine from the floor and get nothing added to my pool of mines I'm calling HR
woeful kiln
you're making it sound complicated when it's very simple
feral lily
Wait I have the game why am I not just testing this
distant ice
your 2 scenarios are
2.0 -> 1.0 -> 2.6 -> 3.6
craggy pier
TFW you pick up mines while at 100%
distant ice
and if fractions
2.4 -> 1.4 -> 3.0 -> 4.0
you placing a mine doesn't change how much ammo you'll get unless you would've gone over 100% otherwise
red hatch
If only the mine ammo percent reflected the actual hidden decimal, rather than alternating between 12% and 13% per mine
feral lily
Devs I am begging you
woeful kiln
You can't dupe mines
feral lily
Just use integers
exotic lantern
if only we wouldnt need to grasp at these values & instead knew them
distant ice
well fortunately it doesn't change the fkn point now does it
red hatch
can't say on exact mechanics, we don't actually know where the breaking point is...
So if max mine ammo is 8.5, then each tool refill will provide 8.5/5 = 1.7 mines?
distant ice
i don't know if you get exactly 20% from a refill
but the amount of actual refill you get is constant
feral lily
Okay I'm testing it now
red hatch
It seems like a key insight would be when using a tool refill would be better for a sentry or for mines. If it would only give a single mine or if it would give 2, that could help guide the decision before certain alarm doors
distant ice
the amount you drop in with and the amount you get is consistent
it's not too hard to establish a pattern
craggy pier
Why would you refill a sentry?
red hatch
With numbers hidden, it seems like a crapshoot unless you know and keep a mental tally of the actual amount
woeful kiln
Why would you refill a sentry?
to kill giants π
craggy pier
Cringe
red hatch
Whether you'd get 1 or 2 mines
lilac fulcrum
if min/maxing a fraction of a mine is that important, might i suggest you use your tool more efficiently, or get a booster to give more tool ammo?
distant ice
With numbers hidden, it seems like a crapshoot unless you know and keep a mental...
mental tally of how many refills you've given
craggy pier
Just distribute the refills equally regardless of situation, easy
distant ice
boosters = heresy
woeful kiln
Just use that tool refill Goddamnit we've been having this discussion for too long
craggy pier
Ya'll overthinking
lilac fulcrum
i have a solution
starts a bid on what someone will pay for me to check the code
feral lily
That's lazy
distant ice
feral lily
Test it with gameplay
woeful kiln
i'm pretty sure it got tested so many times already π
distant ice
call it an exercise for the newbies
you let them kill scouts when you can do it better
red hatch
If max ammo is 8.5 though, you might actually have like 0.4 or even 0.9 mines, but think you had 0, and get wrong numbers and inferences from that
woeful kiln
you let them kill scouts when you can do it better
fair point
distant ice
is deleting your messages a game for you? yes i did blow myself up for around 8 hours, started feeling bad for my character
feral lily
Hey I did that earlier today when I had the machinegun
Feeling bad for my character I mean, not exploding
distant ice
If max ammo is 8.5 though, you might actually have like 0.4 or even 0.9 mines, b...
you can only spend 1.0 at a time and the refill pattern is consistent as long as you don't go over 100%, there's no rng or difficult logic to keep track of
woeful kiln
mines is litterally a Additions and subtractions
distant ice
keeping track of how many mines you'll get is a thing people did in R1 seriously
feral lily
Didn't you have a bigger pool of mines in R1
craggy pier
It was 8 back in R1
distant ice
no we started like we have now iirc and then it got buffed
lilac fulcrum
woeful kiln
+1.6 -1.0 -1.0 -1.0 +1.6
exotic lantern
8 then 8 now
craggy pier
I forgot when they made it 10
woeful kiln
i suggest you guys use Consumable explosive tripmines
woeful kiln
at least no fractions with thoses
exotic lantern
wasnt there a whole convo about if explosive tripmine consumables did more damage vs actual mines LOL
woeful kiln
just -1.0
feral lily
Why not just make it a flat two why on EARTH would you make it a float to begin with
craggy pier
@lilac fulcrum When, when mines were 10?
distant ice
wasnt there a whole convo about if explosive tripmine consumables did more damag...
not only that, there was dev word on it
woeful kiln
Mine deployer with 10 chambers
exotic lantern
what was the official statement never saw it π
exotic lantern
he means when did it originally become 10
since at some point it increased after R1
dim lynx
What I don't understand is why a Tool Refill pack can ever give you 13% of your Mine Deployer ammo, which is one mine, which actually would be 12.5% since it's 1/8th. If the Tool Refill Pack really does give you 20% of your Tool Ammo back, then that number is much closer to 25%, which would be 2 mines.
20% is literally closer to 2/8 than it is to 1/8, so why does it round down by 7.5% sometimes, and up by 5% other times? I spent 2 hours testing the Mine Deployer refill yesterday, and I gave up upon getting inconsistent ammo refill at every point between 0 and 7 mines.
I thought it was just a random chance, but is that randomness unintended? Could the Tool Refill packs just give us 2 mines, and call it a day?
distant ice
i forget where it was but doc said consumable tripmines doing less damage was an intentional design decision
exotic lantern
ah ty
craggy pier
he means when did it originally become 10
R2
distant ice
i think now they do the same damage tho
and the sentry back mult nerf got reversed at some point as well
feral lily
Petition for the tool refil pack to give you set amounts of an item and not a percentage of your max because sweet lord this seems like more effort than it's worth
craggy pier
and the sentry back mult nerf got reversed at some point as well
It was decreased in R2 or R3 wasn't it?
feral lily
Give me two mines 70 autoturret ammo and be done with it
distant ice
It was decreased in R2 or R3 wasn't it?
R2 mid-rundown
exotic lantern
doesnt tool consistently give sentries 20% tool ammo
dim lynx
Like, if the intention was to give us randomized amounts of refill, I would think it wouldn't be done through a system that literally runs on bad math. That doesn't feel intentional to me.
distant ice
i remember clearly cuz they f'd it up and nerfed primaries and specials back damage mult too
woeful kiln
doesnt tool consistently give sentries 20% tool ammo
litterally the only unconsistent tools are mine deployer and Bio tracker
exotic lantern
^
feral lily
Bio tracker is uhhh
lilac fulcrum
bio is consistent
feral lily
pretty fucking consistent chief
craggy pier
It might just be a side effect of having even, but weird numbering
lilac fulcrum
it takes no ammo
lilac fulcrum
and some people got annoyed when we took that ability away lmfao
exotic lantern
it was pretty funny but actually useless
feral lily
Biotracker tool use upping the refresh speed for 8 secs would be interesting, if a little pointless
craggy pier
and some people got annoyed when we took that ability away lmfao
We need batteries for it
distant ice
What I don't understand is why a Tool Refill pack can ever give you 13% of your ...
i don't know how you tested but it wasn't good if it wasn't consistent
woeful kiln
would be nice if tool ammo affected bio tracker some way or another but eh
distant ice
drop in, get 4 refill pack, spend, drop in, get 4 refill pack, spend.. you'll see it's the same
feral lily
So long as they don't introduce battery life or limited tags
feral lily
laughs in what
woeful kiln
Shadows π
feral lily
pls be gentle I am new
woeful kiln
you'll see
feral lily
I'm already anxious in this game
exotic lantern
you will know pain
finite plinth
"see"
woeful kiln
you will learn
finite plinth
:^)
distant ice
you might see depending on your hardware
exotic lantern
inb4 "guys my shadow quality is low i cant see them"
i had to change shadow quality for high for c2 without bio tracker LOL
woeful kiln
Shadow quality : Very High
feral lily
Does Richardo always act like this
exotic lantern
yes
woeful kiln
yes
exotic lantern
π
exotic lantern
when you get to D
D1 reactor be like
feral lily
*vibrates quietly in nervous*
distant ice
games where RTX is just a visual improvement
games where RTX actually impacts gameplay
feral lily
Wait this has RTX features?
indigo quiver
shadows are bad. Keep your light off. Take a gun out. Let it get pointed down. If it pops back up. You found 1
distant ice
no
craggy pier
Lmao
feral lily
I was gonna say, I haven't touched the graphics but I would have if I knew that
lilac fulcrum
just shoot your gun, when things start hurting, you found an enemy
exotic lantern
just keep your shadow quality decent
distant ice
or a teammate
tacit zealot
can anyone confirm on E1 fog drop does the loading time affect infect, especailly if taking infect boosters
distant ice
either way works
indigo quiver
just shoot your gun, when things start hurting, you found an enemy
shadows are bad. Keep your light off. Take a gun out. Let it get pointed down. If it pops back up. You found 1
exotic lantern
the drop scene is a big loading screen
feral lily
Just whapped everything up to full and highest
indigo quiver
And only 1. Not 2. Not 3. One
exotic lantern
boosters shouldnt really affect that
feral lily
brb seeing if it hurts
exotic lantern
even if it is infect resist since you spawn with 100% iirc everytime no matter what
woeful kiln
Bold booster : Eye sight +20%
red hatch
What I don't understand is why a Tool Refill pack can ever give you 13% of your ...
I guess maybe not knowing if you'll get one mine or two, even if you're on the edge of death before an alarm and need every last bit of firepower you can muster, is part of the survival horror experience. You pray for two mines yet only get one... the horror...
tacit zealot
5head: Don't use your flashlights, shadows are made by the absence of light so make sure there is not light to begin with
tacit zealot
even if it is infect resist since you spawn with 100% iirc everytime no matter w...
Nope
lilac fulcrum
always stand behind your teammates so you can tell them "I've got your back"
and so they get eaten first
distant ice
I guess maybe not knowing if you'll get one mine or two, even if you're on the e...
good old times when foam nades could stack
indigo quiver
always stand behind your teammates so you can tell them "I've got your back"
*an...
Remember your teammates donβt have head hit boxes. You can shoot thru the head
exotic lantern
just outrun your teammates
indigo quiver
Thereβs my bug report doc
tacit zealot
teammate occiput 
distant ice
always stand behind your teammates so you can tell them "I've got your back"
*an...
there's a l4d vid about having your back
woeful kiln
just outrun your teammates
Cool that's Very easy since they're all downed
exotic lantern
LOL
feral lily
OH actually I do have a question that I was wondering about, is there any consensus on if the foam launcher is better used in short single shots to foam a door or one full charged shot?
lilac fulcrum
Thereβs my bug report doc
dense jacinth
What is this artifact heat?
exotic lantern
depends on context
oblique galleon
OH actually I do have a question that I was wondering about, is there any consen...
9 single blobs
woeful kiln
OH actually I do have a question that I was wondering about, is there any consen...
9 blobs is enough to foam a door.
portion
woeful kiln
people foam 1 by 1 just to count
feral lily
Danke
woeful kiln
but i don't do 1 by 1 because i have 170% c foam portion π
exotic lantern
this tbh
distant ice
OH actually I do have a question that I was wondering about, is there any consen...
wesley intensifies
exotic lantern
cfoam portion is great LOL
woeful kiln
Cfoam portion is Life ππΎ
exotic lantern
it makes c3 ext a joke π³
woeful kiln
did a C3 Extreme with Full provision full c foam portion set
indigo quiver
-30 melee damage
Pretty unpog
woeful kiln
Still lost cuz umm
exotic lantern
did you guys perma foam a door in ext with backspawns? oh
woeful kiln
[i will not blame my team]
i'm saying C3 extreme but
WE didn't even reach extreme LOL
exotic lantern
OH
indigo quiver
Kek
craggy pier
Never take provisions
Worst mistake of my life
Its like being asked for gun skins in CS or Valorant
indigo quiver
woeful kiln
Real
exotic lantern
Provision & cfoam portion are busted tbh
indigo quiver
Whatβs so bad about extra ammo?
fading tangle
having provisions is like being that guy who pulls out gum in class
exotic lantern
ty for coming to my ted talk
uneven drift
Yo guys, we are in B2 rn and the terminal is not working, it doesn't let us access it, what can we do?
feral lily
Hmmmmm took 10 shots for the first door in A2 to barricade
woeful kiln
you need to foam in a certain way
exotic lantern
sometimes cfoam can go through door/ not count LOL
craggy pier
Yo guys, we are in B2 rn and the terminal is not working, it doesn't let us acce...
Have one leave and rejoin, then let them use the terminal
exotic lantern
gotta do it a certain way
feral lily
Is it a spacing issue?
exotic lantern
pretty sure someone has a video showing optimum permafoam
indigo quiver
No
uneven drift
Have one leave and rejoin, then let them use the terminal
we will try
tacit zealot
Rayalot did a quick vid a while back iirc
indigo quiver
I can just put one big glob
exotic lantern
indigo quiver
And it works fine
exotic lantern
link for Permafoam
indigo quiver
Donβt need it spaced out
craggy pier
Is it a spacing issue?
There's a small gap in between the panels of aluminum doors
tacit zealot
Definetly 9 blobs in that vid
indigo quiver
Prob just a glob went through
uneven drift
@craggy pier it worked thanks
feral lily
Oh also I forgot to report back on my mine tests. I couldn't get the pack to NOT give me 2 mines
distant ice
<@&408548765599793173>
dim lynx
i don't know how you tested but it wasn't good if it wasn't consistent
I wrote down the results I got when resupplying the Mine Deployer yesterday. I was going to make a table for my friends so they would know at what ammo values they should resupply the Deployer, so as to get 2 mines back instead of 1. I need a larger sample size for much of these, but here are my results; at "X" units of Mine Deployer ammo I received "Y" amount per Tool Refill Pack usage:
0: +1, +2
1: +2
2: +2, +2
3: +2, +1
4: +1
5: +1
6: +1, +1, +2
distant ice
that's not how it works
dim lynx
Well that's literally how it worked yesterday, my dude.
woeful kiln
what???
dim lynx
I dunno what to tell you.
distant ice
you judge how many you'll get based on how many tool refills you've already used on the mine deployer
dim lynx
What are you talking about?
feral lily
OH
indigo quiver
No
indigo quiver
How many mines are left
feral lily
jfc I am an IDIOT
tacit zealot
..float?
feral lily
Floating point, the 1.6 rather than 1
indigo quiver
Root beer floats? Where
tacit zealot
ah
feral lily
Storm I apologise for how frustrating that must have been, I get it now
woeful kiln
it was simple math all this time
distant ice
what reconmarauder said is not how it works as i've said already
dim lynx
You aren't explaining it dude. I was responding to your first message, which literally just said that it should be consistent.
woeful kiln
the number of mines you get depends on how many tool refill you used and not how many mines you have
feral lily
No yeah I understand now, the float is building up each time in one run so that's how you determine the +1 +2
woeful kiln
You aren't explaining it dude. I was responding to your first message, which lit...
he explained it way too many times.
distant ice
listen
every time you place a mine you spend exactly 1.0, how many you can place depends on the "whole" part of the float (not sure about the english word) (not necessarily true but doesn't change the point)
let's say i get 1.6
finite plinth
realistically you only use like 10 or so mines in one game, who cares about min maxing lole
distant ice
whether i do x + 1.6 + 1.6
or x - 1 -1 + 1.6 + 1.6
doesn't change how many i'll get per refill
woeful kiln
realistically you only use like 10 or so mines in one game, who cares about min ...
wdym! what about the giants! gotta use 3 mines for theses fat guys
distant ice
just headshot giants and kill with 2 mines instead of 3 
dim lynx
I understand that Storm is trying to say that it is an alternating amount. That is separate from what my initial point was.
distant ice
the point is yours doesn't work
dim lynx
This chat is a disaster and it's stressing me out, I don't think I'm gonna engage much in the future.
exotic lantern
welcome to gtfo :) Β―_(γ)_/Β―
distant ice
how many i get on the next refill depends on how many refills i've used, not how many you're at right now
dim lynx
There's no way that everyone here is ESL.
woeful kiln
Welcome to a Discussion where we argue
feral lily
someone fill me in on esl
dim lynx
English as a Second Language.
feral lily
Oh see I was thinking english sign language which is what caught me off guard
woeful kiln
I am ESL and i suck at english ππΎ
tacit zealot
egg sex located
dim lynx
This place is like Twitch Chat, I don't know what the point of discussion is, if that discussion is so fleeting as to accomplish nothing.
distant ice
you ask mechanics, you get mechanics answer
exotic lantern
^
craggy pier
Skill issue
distant ice
but then it's hard to understand for 500 messages and explanation goes in circles
woeful kiln
we've gone into a circle about 3-4 times already i think
feral lily
Recon if you want I'll DM you the mine thing, and why storm was correcting you in a different... tone of voice shall we say. I get why you did your test and now that I've done my own I can explain why yours is different
red hatch
how many i get on the next refill depends on how many refills i've used, not how...
Is there a pattern for this then? Like 1 2 1 2 1 1 2 2 1 and repeat?
distant ice
i think i said at least a few times that yes there is and it's consistent
woeful kiln
yeah consistent pattern
dim lynx
My point was "Why is the rounding inconsistent, it seems unintentional to have the Mine Deployer give you under 20% of its ammo on average" meanwhile, the Revolver gives you 18 bullets back instead of 17 like it should if it was really just trying to give you an amount based purely on percentages.
woeful kiln
there is no rounding. (right?)
feral lily
Yeah it's always rounded up past 0.5
distant ice
you don't know that
feral lily
I'm kiddding but in hindsight not the time
neon gust
Its inconsistent because you disnt kite hard enough
craggy pier
Imagine if they added decimals : ^ )
tacit zealot
R6 me and the boys placing half mines
dim lynx
Recon if you want I'll DM you the mine thing, and why storm was correcting you i...
And yeah I understand why I got the numbers I did, but I was just asking why that system is like that, from a design perspective. Not from a technological perspective.
exotic lantern
R6 4 mine deployers only ty
woeful kiln
"team i don't we'll be able to beat this alarm i only have 3.9 mines instead of 4 we're doomed if only someone had a 1% supply effiency we would've been saved"
distant ice
how is the rounding inconsistent
feral lily
Imagine if hey used integers like some sort of non-lunatic emporium
craggy pier
Min maxing .01 mine to kill that one striker that is almost dead from the sentry that shot its back from 10 meters away
dim lynx
how is the rounding inconsistent
"20% is literally closer to 2/8 than it is to 1/8, so why does it round down by 7.5% sometimes, and up by 5% other times?"
And yes, I do understand the 1.6 thing.
distant ice
the % shown on hud afaik is just current/max (of the whole numbers)
nothing more to it
feral lily
Also y'all talk about mines like they can only be used mid fight. I leave em around like "At some point in time, a problem will be solved here"
distant ice
and the exact value may not be 20%, nobody said it is
woeful kiln
you get 20% but can only use 12.5%
compared to c foam or sentries where you get 20%
and can use it
dim lynx
The Tool Refill Pack, says "20%". This is making me tear my hair out.
feral lily
Yeah it has 5 charges at max
woeful kiln
20% ammo pack doesn't give u 20% ammo
dim lynx
Which, on ALL OTHER TOOLS, GIVES YOU 20% OF YOUR AMMO.
feral lily
WE DID IT LADS WE SOLVED IT
distant ice
Which, on ALL OTHER TOOLS, GIVES YOU 20% OF YOUR AMMO.
i don't know if that's true
exotic lantern
Yeah it has 5 charges at max
what about the 6 uses?
woeful kiln
Yeah it has 5 charges at max
*you hear distant noises coming from C3"
distant ice
what about the 6 uses?
maximum overdrive
feral lily
bold of you to asume I've left A
woeful kiln
wait until i get my 7 uses π
exotic lantern
if the tool pack doesnt say 120% fuck outta here
exotic lantern
wait until i get my 7 uses π
pitski luck π³
feral lily
wait does heat regen, my A1 is back at 100
feral lily
Oh okay I was concerned there cheers
red hatch
i think i said at least a few times that yes there is and it's consistent
Could you please tell of the pattern you observed?
distant ice
never bothered to check this rundown
feral lily
I imagine it's 2 1 1 2 2, but that's assuming the float starts at 0
distant ice
i imagine it doesn't
feral lily
I imagine you're right
red hatch
lol the float doesn't start at 0... the horror...
feral lily
Honya I'll have a wander around A2 and see if I can get a few tool refills that aren't one use and if I see a pattern I'll let you know
distant ice
lol the float doesn't start at 0... the horror...
you love to see it
distant ice
I imagine it's 2 1 1 2 2, but that's assuming the float starts at 0
just realize you assume breaking point is at .5 which might not be true
in R1 iirc it went 1-1-2-1 so since we have 8 again it might be the same
distant ice
well i wouldn't trust memory from 2 years ago anyway
feral lily
2 years? I've been telling myself "I'll get it next payday" for two years?
red hatch
Sometimes a solo player will put a sideways mine on a door but then also an upwards facing mine in the middle of the closed doorway. Is that the most effective placement and use of mines on doors? Is there a better position other than a laser going directly through the door from close by?
craggy pier
Personal preference at this point since mines ignore ragdolls now
distant ice
Up until R5 one mine usually got around 5 sleepers
And there was lots talked about how to get more hit
red hatch
It seems like the one sideways mine gets up to 8 or 9 of them, so is the upwards mine a waste?
exotic lantern
honestly mines slap hard now
distant ice
It'll get as many as are in its range
exotic lantern
I just think sideways mine on blood doors especially on things like A2 are worth anymore
if you have the ability to place mines that face in towards the door I think its more worth especially if youre planning to run through
distant ice
For the ones on the ground i think the argument was that it might not be the first sleeper that triggers it so it can get some behind and in front
exotic lantern
yeah but normally the mine sometimes just goes off before the doors fully open and wont touch a hybrid
distant ice
Feature
exotic lantern
it led to a lot of deaths on A2 cause the mine across the door would kill one of us LOL
red hatch
For the ones on the ground i think the argument was that it might not be the fir...
That makes it sound like the upwards mine would be more efficient than the sideways mine, but it seems like solo players always set a sideways mine, if any
distant ice
predicting where AI will decide to step exactly is unrealistic here
on narrow doors the sideways mine is technically unnecessary since the vertical one can cover the whole path as well (explosion radius i mean)
but it's just something not worth bothering with really
red hatch
Is 2 mines on a doorway a waste then? Just one will get about all the ones that can be got, and the other would only get one or two more?
feral lily
Okay Honya I have a sequence for you
it's 2 1 2
Also I would like to never hear blood door noises again
distant ice
Is 2 mines on a doorway a waste then? Just one will get about all the ones that ...
the 2nd one will probably get a lot fewer sleepers than the first one
red hatch
it's 2 1 2
Thanks, I'll remember that
red hatch
the 2nd one will probably get a lot fewer sleepers than the first one
It seems like any mines not on doors have minimal efficiency and would be better used on a sniper sentry
feral lily
Repeats 212212212 (Though I'm extrapolating a bit, I only got it to 6 and I'm not soloing overload for it for the extra tool refills)
red hatch
So trying to figure out if just 1 is needed, or if 2 is still worth it
distant ice
It seems like any mines not on doors have minimal efficiency and would be better...
situational
red hatch
Outside of doorways it seems like any further mines will get 2 or 3 attackers each, which a sniper sentry would outperform over time
distant ice
max efficiency isn't always what you're looking for; some spicy spots without doors can exist as well
one interesting thing is that mine trigger is the laser, but the explosion range doesn't end with the laser if it runs into a wall
say the laser ends on a box but the explosion range can extend on the sides and above
woeful kiln
Don't forget that Mines are Shaped charges!
feral lily
I've used that to keep it from prematurely detonating but keeping the kill box big
That cone is deceptively larger if you think too much on the laser
distant ice
i like to think it's a cylinder
woeful kiln
feels like a cylinder
feral lily
Valid
tacit zealot
huh what kinda spots would u use mines without doors, except for giant mines
like spamming mines in end ofd1?
feral lily
But yeah you can place it so that it has a "I want it to only specifically trigger on this path but if anything is over there then it can get shredded too" vibe
Most of my non-door mines are for if I'm feeling spicy and want to melee a scout, it's nice backup
tacit zealot
what kind of back up do u mean... like placing a mine on the ground so the scout walks into it?
feral lily
But I haven't had the game long, I'm still just playing with equipment to get a feel for what I enjoy
No I mean for if I goof it
tacit zealot
where would the mine go? i'm not following lol
feral lily
I've been soloing since I started so I cover the choke points behind me and then if it does trigger, I can gun down the room without too much in the way of that second wave comeing at me
craggy pier
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tacit zealot
so kind of like a back up, in choke poitns in case the enemies get too close?
feral lily
Sort of, when the scout spawns a wave behind you it's nice to have them hit mines before they get into the scout's room
red hatch
one interesting thing is that mine trigger is the laser, but the explosion range...
Is there any clue as to how much damage even the very furthest tip of the laser will cause to an enemy that triggers it at that point?
tacit zealot
i get it
feral lily
The soft sounds of distant explosions going "Something that wanted to eat you was turned into a red mist today" satisfies me
Also idk if the laser represents the mine's kill range, or even damage range
spark wolf
I HEARD SOMEONE TALK ABOUT CFOAM
red hatch
A laser that's set to take out the length of a hallway looks neat... but if only a few are in laser range when it goes off, the hallway will mostly be empty at detonation
spark wolf
9 BLOB TO FOAM THE DOOR
IT DONT MATTER HOW U DO IT
JUST 9 BLOB
EVEN IF IT DOESNT LOOK FOAMED
ok bye
buoyant trellis
The foam master
feral lily
why it take me 10 blob then to get nice foamy door >:c
spark wolf
visual effect doesn't matter
feral lily
I WANT FOAMY DOOR
spark wolf
ok
feral lily
devs fix ur foam
spark wolf
most efficient way to get the foamy door is doing one blob
and than a charge of 8
on top of the one blob
tacit zealot
way of the coom
feral lily
Also Honya the biggest rooms seem like they can let the laser go from one end to the other
So I'd say keep an obstacle in mind for the laser to stop at so you don't get mines in bigger rooms going off with no payoff
spark wolf
put mines on the floor
most effective mine placement
warden doesn't want you to know this
craggy pier
most effective mine placement
Most effective mines are the ones that kill teammates, this is supposed to be common knowledge wes
spark wolf
distant ice
Is there any clue as to how much damage even the very furthest tip of the laser ...
30ff
feral lily
That would be a very topheavy woman
for real though, expand on that, I have no clue what 30ff means
craggy pier
30 damage to players
feral lily
Oh do we use that as the metric because it's the only one we have
distant ice
friendly fire
feral lily
Gotcha
distant ice
used cuz we can actually see the % dealt to teammates in-game
still have to deal with fractions ofc
and then the precision multiplier attacked
red hatch
i like to think it's a cylinder
Does this mean that even if the laser is just barely blocked by the edge of a turn, the space where the laser would have gone but for that tiny obstruction, would still be affected? If so that sounds like the ideal placement for hallways, giving until just the last second for the space to fill before the blast
distant ice
a drawing to illustrate would be nice here but i think you basically get the point
as i said explosion range doesn't necessarily end with the laser
laser being blocked has no effect on range
red hatch
put mines on the floor
I want to believe you but you've got evil gura face
spark wolf
red hatch
a drawing to illustrate would be nice here but i think you basically get the poi...
Like this:
distant ice
pretty much
plain spire
any help on reading distances on the bio?
shrewd dirge
ADS on the bio if you have to.
keep the markings in context
the half circle at the bottom is pretty important
plain spire
how far is that one? 3 meters?
shrewd dirge
maybe, but it seems it is pretty close to the auto-alert range
brisk pewter
i know this isn't really a gtfo related question, but technically it is, so is there anyone that would take in someone who's really interested in this game if i buy it?
by take in i mean liek.. play with me, so i don't have to play it alone
the terminal mechanic alone was enough to get me sold on this game tbh
exotic lantern
exotic lantern
I mean
if you really wanna find people to play with, the best way is lfging
i found my whole group + 17 others just through lfg
brisk pewter
thank you!
neat mesa
exotic lantern
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the terminal is really useful
it can help decide what zones to go to or avoid for say glps etc
shows resources zone to zone
cell locations/pings
plus it makes C2 side zones a joke cause you can ping the cell and ammo then dip
alot of times once you learn a zone/tile set you can usually guess where stuff spawns/where stuff will be item/box wise but like terminals still have use especially if you dont wanna go look in every room for smthn
gusty coral
Any tips for beating B4? Some people want to take the cells while others don't. I don't know should you even go to the side doors, they're only for resources right?
craggy pier
Having resources help a lot if you struggle with managing them
woeful kiln
you can beat B4 without going to any of the side rooms
gusty coral
you can beat B4 without going to any of the side rooms
isn't that boring?
craggy pier
It'll involve a lot of hammer kiting, so yea, a bit
distant ice
30 minutes forced is too long either way
uneven drift
5 hours for r2e1 is too long either way
woeful kiln
if it's more than 3 hour it's already too long
wary peak
I'm gonna try A3 again with friends and there's something I've been wondering about
when breaking doors do enemies prioritise doors that don't have cfoam on them?
indigo quiver
They take the shortest route. Idk if that means they will go after a foamed door over 2 closed but unformed doors though
wary peak
that's what I'm wondering about
vital sierra
they ignore c foam
craggy pier
They take the shortest route. Idk if that means they will go after a foamed door...
They only take into account if the door is closed or not
Lmao, R4D2 class 2 cluster
uneven drift
Speaking about D2, if you leave both doors from the middle room open, will the enemies take that way instead I wonder...
spark wolf
with open doors it calculates the full path to the player
and just picks whats shortest
with closed doors the first goal is getting into the same room as the players
as for which it seems to pick a door based on coordinates
whatever door is closest when ignoring all obstacles
but while pathing to that door, it's possible for another door to be the new closest door
and in that case they'll swap and go for that door
it's also still possible for them to get stuck in an infinite loop like that
but there's not many alarms near tile combinations that frequently allow this to happen for the current rundown
they'll also break any door within range that separates them from you, no matter if that door is a door they actually wanted to/will path through
indigo quiver
Itβs funny when 3 of my teammates chase after a striker thatβs bee lining for me
Dunno why it happens
spark wolf
it's based on smell
agile pagoda
I noticed that the double tap rifle has the same scope as the heavy assault rifle. I saw in a leak that the dt rifle had a unique scope but they scraped it for a previously used one.
does that mean more guns in the future might use the same scopes that were used on other guns?
distant ice
weapon parts are reused all around
shrewd dirge
i cant wait to replace the scope on the dmr
viscid wolf
knight is stinky
lilac fulcrum
with weapon customization when we add it will allow you to mix and match various parts
frankenstein weapons
maybe a glue turret
twin hill
MacGyver style
feral lily
Will you let us add a component to the turret where it leads targets instead of shooting a cartoonish silhouette around them if they're moving laterally
distant ice
i want a darth maul maul
dapper nimbus
Oh boy, can't wait to put a 4x scope on my pistol!
viscid wolf
acog please
dapper nimbus
I need the acog on the Maul so I can noscope sleepers
viscid wolf
honestly
I even have the jager elite skin
if we don't get the acog for the ar I'm starting a riot
indigo quiver
Siege stinky game
dapper nimbus
Scope on Mapper π©
indigo quiver
π³ how do you enjoy the scouts?
dapper nimbus
I'd tell you, but...
indigo quiver
NSFW go brrrr?
feral lily
π
indigo quiver
GET BACK TO PLAYING UPLINK.
dapper nimbus
I enjoy scouts because of the thrill that I get when I go on hunting them!
Totally saved my skin 
indigo quiver
Scouts are friends
feral lily
Scouts are deserving of nothing but a round to the head
indigo quiver
Just avoid them